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On today's Bible Answer Man broadcast (08/20/25), Hank answers the following questions:Is there a correlation between the Word of Faith movement and the Church of God in Christ? Jonathan - Wichita, KS (1:00)Was Antipas martyred during the reign of Domitian? If so, how does this affect the dating of Revelation? Steven - Grand Rapids, MI (2:25)Do we pay for the sins of our fathers? Jason - St. Clair, MO (7:37)Is it okay to file a restraining order against a family member? Peggy - Oklahoma City, OK (8:39)Do you know anything about Project Blue Beam? Babet - Fresno, CA (15:40)What are your thoughts on The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins? I found this book in my granddaughter's room. Linda - Seattle, WA (16:58)What do Mormons see as wrong with historic Christianity? Why would they want to convert me? David - Springfield, MO (22:13)Do you have any information on Mike Bickle and the International House of Prayer? Rick - Bloomington, IL (25:28)
Joseph Z came out with a prophecy against those who would expose sin in the church. Mike Bickle's sister, Lisa Bickle Stribling, also has broken her silence — and her shocking statements about the allegations against her brother is sparking outrage.In this episode of The Remnant Radio, we unpack their comments, explore the theological and ethical implications, and address why such statements can cause deep harm to survivors and the Church.Join us as we analyze their messages with biblical discernment, considering what Scripture says about abuse allegations, church accountability, and the prophetic movement. Whether you're following the International House of Prayer controversy, concerned about spiritual abuse, or simply seeking truth in the midst of confusion, this discussion offers clarity, context, and a call to Christ-centered integrity.ABOUT THE REMNANT RADIO:
In an attempt to defend her brother Mike Bickle, Lisa Stribling preached a sermon that excuses sin, shames victims, and shields abusers.
Lisa Stribling's sermon defending her brother Mike Bickle ignited backlash. Now IHOPKC insiders expose its troubling theology and impact on abuse survivors.
Series: N/AService: Sun PM WorshipType: SermonSpeaker: Various Speakers3 part devotional by Ken Mann, Jed Bickle, and Mike Bickle.
Mike discusses the long trail of wreckage caused by sexual sin in the church and those who have fallen from it, including Bill Hybels, Ravi Zacharias, Mike Bickle, Brian Houston, Robert Morris, a 2024 article with a list of pastors in Texas who have lost their position due to sexual sin, and more, and asks, “Have we had enough pain?” Are we at a place yet where we’re willing to talk about topics like sex, pornography, masturbation, sexting, and others in a no-holds barred manner from every pulpit and equip God’s people in these areas, including men, women, and youth? Or will we continue to watch as thousands of lives are destroyed while many churches do nothing?
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Young and impressionable, Susan was drawn to the creative and spiritual environment of a church called the International House of Prayer in Kansas City (IHOPKC). She was soon courted by leadership and then isolated her through "special mentoring," with claims that God revealed the IHOP leaders her unique spiritual destiny. The philosophy its pastor, Mike Bickle, and ultimately the New Apostolic Reformation made questioning leadership equivalent to questioning God himself. Unlike Bickle, John Wimber of The Vineyard Movement established accountability structures and rejected many NAR excesses. Susan finally begins to question the teachings. Part One of Two.Paul Martin is a former pastor who works as a human rights advocate. He holds undergraduate and graduate degrees in philosophy from UCLA and Talbot School of Theology at Biola University.The Wolves is for those interested in religion, Jesus, or the psychology around power abuse. It is also for survivors of trauma, including spiritual abuse. Covering current cases of abuse in the church today, The Wolves will highlight the sinister paradox of those who display sincerity, conviction, and knowledge and who can even claim to hear the very voice of God himself, YET at the very same time abuse they claim to love.For information, visit www.thewolvespodcast.comContact Paul Martin at paul@paulmartin.org
In this episode of Green Room, Sydney and Chloe interview Jed Hartley. He shares about his family's close involvement with Mike Bickle and IHOPKC, his father's problematic prophetic ministry, and the impact it has all had on his faith. They talk about the lack of accountability in the IHOP community, the pressure of being a pastor's kid, and the emotional toll of realizing the deception within the religious organization.
In this episode Dennis and Ashleigh discuss the published report of the investigation into Mike Bickle and discuss how this kind of abuse happens and whether exposed ministry leaders can ever return to ministry.
I'm confronting the singular problem all abusers like Mike Bickle, Dr. Michael L Brown, Joni Lamb, and numerous others have in common. I will provide answers on how to fix this and ensure we have a healthy church once again.Get RESTOREand The Bearded Truth Merch in my Teespring Store: https://bit.ly/restore-merch TRIVITA:Use myTRIVITA link to get started on your wellness journey: https://bit.ly/restored-healthWhen you call, use gift card number: RSCBSQRJPIN: 5398CovenantEyes:If you want to protect yourself and your lovedones from the dangers of porn, get Covenant Eyes: https://bit.ly/Restore-Covenant USE CODE RESTORE30 at checkout to get your first 30 days FREE when you use the link
Mike Bickle's grooming defined the culture of IHOPKC and resulted in widespread abuse, says longtime IHOPKC staff leader Shelley Hundley in this podcast.
Former megachurch pastor Robert Morris has been arrested following an investigation regarding his conduct towards young girls at the same time that a 3rd party investigation of International House of Prayer's founder Mike Bickle found similar findings to that of Morris. We take a look at the update to the findings and discuss the biblical ramifications of a leader's fall and what the Bible has to say concerning it. Follow Good Fight Ministries on: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/goodfightministries Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/goodfightministries Twitter/X: https://www.twitter.com/goodfightmin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@goodfightministries Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/goodfight The Submerging Church https://vimeo.com/ondemand/submergingchurch Marvel & DC's War on God: Stan Lee, God, and the Devil https://qrs.ly/i5gfpz0 We're on Rumble! https://rumble.com/GoodFightMinistries Official GFM Hoodie: https://www.goodfight.org/product/fight-the-good-fight-hoodie/
Religionless Christianity Podcast Episode 255A week for former Pastors for sure. Steve Lawson posts a message of repentance, Mike Bickle given a sliver of hope to reenter ministry and more trouble for Robert Morris and Gateway Church. Pastor's If you enjoy the content, please consider following or subscribing and leaving a nice review. God bless!!TIME STAMP:Intro- 00:00Bickle and Lawson- 04:04Robert Morris- 40:09Shepherds Conference- 01:00:13Recommended Listening- 01:11:11ARTICLES:Mike Bickle Allegations- https://tinyurl.com/35xpaeycSteven Lawson Post- https://tinyurl.com/3hamn8edMike Bickle Ministry- https://tinyurl.com/4znz59nsRobert Morris Tithe- https://tinyurl.com/3ccxc63aRobert Morris Allegations- https://tinyurl.com/5n8vbdfdRECOMMENDED LISTENING:Michael Reeves- https://tinyurl.com/3ecp4truPLEASE COME JOIN US ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR CONSIDER SUPPORTING THE MINISTRY:EMAIL- religionlesschristianity@gmail.comFACEBOOK- https://www.facebook.com/ReligionlessChristianityPodcast TWITTER- https://twitter.com/ReligionlessCSUPPORT THE MINISTRY:PATREON- https://tinyurl.com/4jm7zj2sAMAZON AFFILIATE- https://amzn.to/3lV4cBPBEST BUY- https://bestbuy.7tiv.net/15JqMmBUY ME A COFFEE- https://www.buymeacoffee.com/RCPodcastCHRISTIAN BOOKS-
In this episode of Green Room, Sydney and Chloe interview their old youth pastor Josh Thompson. From his early days at Morningstar to leading youth ministries at IHOP, Thompson shares about the pressures of maintaining the "forerunner lifestyle," the manipulation within prophetic circles, and the devastating impact of the recent allegations against Mike Bickle. He shares about the destructive effects that the unchecked prophetic healing movement has had on his own family.This episode was recorded in December 2024
Sponsored by WatersEdge: Invest with purpose? With WatersEdge Kingdom Investments, you can! We offer great rates that multiply your resources and build churches. Learn more at: https://bit.ly/3CxWtFzTop headlines for Thursday, March 13, 2025In this episode, a recent federal court decision impacting religious freedoms in healthcare to the National Park Service's controversial removal of a pioneering priest's biography, we explore the challenges faced by religious institutions and individuals in maintaining their beliefs amidst societal change. We also discuss a dramatic twist on a reality TV show where ideological differences led to last-minute altar heartbreaks. Also, we celebrate the achievements of prominent Christian entertainers like Roma Downey and Candace Cameron Bure at the Moveguide Awards, highlighting their contributions to the arts. Subscribe to this PodcastApple PodcastsSpotifyGoogle PodcastsOvercastFollow Us on Social Media@ChristianPost on TwitterChristian Post on Facebook@ChristianPostIntl on InstagramSubscribe on YouTubeGet the Edifi AppDownload for iPhoneDownload for AndroidSubscribe to Our NewsletterSubscribe to the Freedom Post, delivered every Monday and ThursdayClick here to get the top headlines delivered to your inbox every morning!Links to the NewsChurch can't sue Washington over abortion coverage: 9th circuit | U.S.NPS accused of ‘erasing' first black female Episcopal priest | Politics'Love is Blind' contestants dump fiancés over political views | EntertainmentReport suggests path for Mike Bickle's return to ministry | Church & MinistriesCalifornia pastor accused of scamming friends of nearly $240K | U.S.Pastor, wife imprisoned on charge of ‘forced conversion' win bail | WorldCandace Cameron Bure, Roma Downey honored at Movieguide Awards | Entertainment
In this episode TALKS Episode, Tim discusses the serious allegations against Mike Bickle, founder of the International House of Prayer (IHOP), who has been accused of sexual assault by multiple women. Gracia and Jedidiah, former members of IHOP, share their experiences and insights into the culture of IHOP, the influence of Mike Bickle, and the manipulative tactics used within the community. The episode highlights the complexities of church abuse, the impact on survivors, and the need for accountability and healing within faith communities. Chapters 06:13 The Allegations Against Mike Bickle and IHOP 11:24 Understanding the International House of Prayer (IHOP) 17:35 Mike Bickle: The Man Behind IHOP 30:07 Prophetic Manipulation and Its Consequences 39:13 Patterns of Abuse in Religious Communities 49:15 Legal Implications and Future Investigations 56:31 Warnings for Church Communities _______________________________ If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here! Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you've been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We've built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Two survivors of IHOPKC founder Mike Bickle's abuse share how he groomed and betrayed them, and a survivor advocate shares how they exposed the wolf.
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With the release of the third party SA investigation into Mike Bickle and IHOPKC, there is growing sorrow for those who have been affected by such spiritual abuse and righteous indignation for those who refuse to acknowledge its rampant existence within the Charismatic movement and the New Apostolic Reformation.Join me as we discuss this current issue and some of the roots coming from Bickle's actions and beliefs.Resources:1. https://youtu.be/BIFFd4ORmJs?si=6naJe3s7CUIsa2ZU2. https://youtu.be/4exuJonF60c?si=tUnn5G-YSJHzb7lF3. (39) Richard Moore - YouTube4. (39) Brother John Elving - YouTube5. https://youtu.be/4JC9XwDt27g?si=9lelMlf_3T8dcWXz6. “WHAT'S THE PROBLEMMy info:Website: http://www.lovesickscribe.comSubscribe to my blog here: http://eepurl.com/dfZ-uHInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/lovesickscribe/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lovesickscribeblog
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Minister Diane continues her mission to raise awareness of the prevalence of sexual abuse and continues her coverage of how that prevalence is in the so-called church. She does this by sharing personal experiences and sharing her insights on the Joni Lamb Weiss Interview with the Strang Report called the Real Joni Lamb, and beginning her review of the Independent Sexual Abuse Investigation done on Mike Bickle and the International House of Prayer. She addresses all from her Biblical perspective.
** Subscribe to The Tim & April Show | @TimandAprilShow ** In this RECAPS Episode, Tim and April discuss various topics related to the current state of Christian culture, including the challenges of live streaming, upcoming changes to their show format, and the pressing issue of Christian nationalism. They delve into the recent investigation into Mike Bickle and the International House of Prayer, highlighting the systemic issues of abuse within evangelical spaces. The conversation emphasizes the need for community support and the importance of decoding the complexities of faith and politics in today's society. Chapters 08:45 Decoding Christian Nationalism 14:43 The Mike Bickle and IHOP Investigation 25:00 The Systemic Issues in Evangelicalism 34:57 Political Implications of Christian Nationalism 40:08 Conclusion and Call to Action 51:10 The Humanitarian Crisis in Gaza 01:00:49 The Role of Christian Nationalism in Politics 01:19:04 Building Coalitions Against Authoritarianism _______________________________ If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here! Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you've been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We've built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
On today's program, an independent investigation into the International House of Prayer in Kansas City and its founder Mike Bickle was released this week…finding 17 cases of abuse leveled against him. Samaritan's Purse dodges the Trump administration's freeze on foreign aid. Other ministries—especially those working to resettle refugees—aren't faring as well, however…many face furloughs as they scramble to support the thousands of refugees already in the United States depending on them for rent and basic necessities. We'll take a look. And, the 50 largest relief and development ministries in the MinistryWatch database. But first, Church of the Highlands founding pastor Chris Hodges announced Sunday that he is stepping down as lead pastor. Hodges planted Church of the Highlands in Birmingham, Alabama, in 2001, and has seen explosive growth in its 24 years. According to Outreach 100, about 60,000 congregants attend the worship services on a given weekend, making it the second largest church in the nation in attendance. Hodges made his announcement Sunday (Feb. 2), the same day the church celebrated its 24th anniversary. Hodges said Mark Pettus will step into the role of lead pastor, and he will take on the role as founding pastor. The producer for today's program is Jeff McIntosh. We get database and other technical support from Stephen DuBarry, Rod Pitzer, and Casey Sudduth. Writers who contributed to today's program include Daniel Ritchie, Kathryn Post, Bob Smietana, Mark Wingfield, Tony Mator, Jack Jenkins, Aleja Hertzler-McCain, Adelle Banks, Kim Roberts, Mark Kellner, and Christina Darnell. A special thanks to Baptist News Global and the Baptist Paper for contributing material for this week's podcast. Until next time, may God bless you. MANUSCRIPT: FIRST SEGMENT Warren: Hello everybody. I'm Warren Smith, coming to you from Charlotte, North Carolina. Natasha: And I'm Natasha Cowden, coming to you from Denver, Colorado, and we'd like to welcome you to the MinistryWatch podcast. Warren: On today's program, an independent investigation into the International House of Prayer in Kansas City and its founder Mike Bickle was released this week…finding 17 cases of abuse leveled against him. Samaritan's Purse dodges the Trump administration's freeze on foreign aid. Other ministries—especially those working to resettle refugees—aren't faring as well, however…many face furloughs as they scramble to support the thousands of refugees already in the United States depending on them for rent and basic necessities. We'll take a look. And, the 50 largest relief and development ministries in the MinistryWatch database. Natasha: But first, Church of the Highlands founding pastor Chris Hodges announced Sunday that he is stepping down as lead pastor. Warren: Hodges planted Church of the Highlands in Birmingham, Alabama, in 2001, and has seen explosive growth in its 24 years. According to Outreach 100, about 60,000 congregants attend the worship services on a given weekend, making it the second largest church in the nation in attendance. Hodges made his announcement Sunday (Feb. 2), the same day the church celebrated its 24th anniversary. Hodges said Mark Pettus will step into the role of lead pastor, and he will take on the role as founding pastor. Natasha: What does he plan to do next? Warren: Hodges said he would increase his efforts at Highlands College as chancellor. Hodges said he's not retiring, and he's not burned out, but he has reached a state in life in which he wants to empower other leaders. Natasha: Next, the report is out, detailing abuse by IHOP KC founder, Mike Bickle. Warren: Mike Bickle, the influential founder of the International House of Prayer, a global missionary group, committed sexual abuse or misconduct involving at least 17 survivors, according to an independent report released Monday (Feb. 3).
An independent investigation has concluded and come out with their findings concerning International House of Prayer's former leader Mike Bickle and the report is quite disturbing with over 17 different victims coming forward regarding his trail of abuse over the years. Also T.D. Jakes has been accused through a sworn affidavit of assaulting a young man as some of his connections to Diddy parties have seemingly come back out of the closet. Follow Good Fight Ministries on: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/goodfightministries Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/goodfightministries Twitter/X: https://www.twitter.com/goodfightmin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@goodfightministries Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/goodfight We're on Rumble! https://rumble.com/GoodFightMinistries Official GFM Hoodie: https://www.goodfight.org/product/fight-the-good-fight-hoodie/
Top headlines for Friday, February 7, 2025In this episode, at the 73rd National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, D.C., President Donald Trump announced the formation of a commission to protect religious liberty and combat "anti-Christian bias" in the federal government. We examine the dramatic impact dubbed 'The Trump Effect,' which reportedly led to a 74% decline in migrant encounters at the southern border. Next, we shift our focus to the education sector, where the Portage Public Schools board is considering a controversial curriculum change that would introduce a pornography lesson, traditionally meant for ninth graders, to sixth graders. Finally, we uncover disturbing allegations from a recent investigative report, detailing how IHOPKC's Mike Bickle allegedly coerced an abuse victim to read Psalm 51 after inappropriate encounters.Subscribe to this PodcastApple PodcastsSpotifyGoogle PodcastsOvercastFollow Us on Social Media@ChristianPost on TwitterChristian Post on Facebook@ChristianPostIntl on InstagramSubscribe on YouTubeGet the Edifi AppDownload for iPhoneDownload for AndroidSubscribe to Our NewsletterSubscribe to the Freedom Post, delivered every Monday and ThursdayClick here to get the top headlines delivered to your inbox every morning!Links to the News'Trump Effect' credited for 74% plunge in migrant encounters | PoliticsTrump creates task force to fight 'anti-Christian bias' in gov't | PoliticsSaddleback Pastor Andy Wood apologizes for Trump post | Church & MinistriesSchool wants to warn students about porn before it's 'too late' | EducationAmazon ends ban on Ryan Anderson book criticizing trans ideology | BusinessMike Bickle allegedly made abuse victim read Psalm 51 after sex | Church & MinistriesCCM legend shares his path to sobriety, God's faithfulness | Entertainment
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In this episode, we discuss the investigative report released relating to Mike Bickle and the International House of Prayer in Kansas City.Read the full report here: https://www.tikkunglobal.org/_files/ugd/c39fc4_0c894435ff7b456c83bd967bdf2f40fc.pdf✖️✖️✖️Support the Show: Patreon.com/PreacherBoys✖️✖️✖️If you or someone you know has experienced abuse, visit courage365.org/need-help✖️✖️✖️CONNECT WITH THE SHOW:preacherboyspodcast.comhttps://www.youtube.com/@PreacherBoyshttps://www.facebook.com/preacherboysdoc/https://twitter.com/preacherboysdochttps://www.instagram.com/preacherboyspodhttps://www.tiktok.com/@preacherboyspodTo connect with a community that shares the Preacher Boys Podcast's mission to expose abuse in the IFB, join the OFFICIAL Preacher Boys Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1403898676438188/✖️✖️✖️The content presented in this video is for informational and educational purposes only. All individuals and entities discussed are presumed innocent until proven guilty through due legal process. The views and opinions expressed are those of the speakers.This episode is sponsored by/brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/PreacherBoys and get on your way to being your best self.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/preacher-boys-podcast/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
Deborah Perkins, the first victim of Mike Bickle's who went public, shares of how friends “went to war” with her, to expose an evil system of abuse.
Her story of alleged sexual abuse by Mike Bickle caused the prayer ministry he founded to separate from him. Now she reveals her identity for the first time.
In this episode of Green Room, Sydney and Chloe have a family discussion with their parents Dwayne and Jennifer Roberts (host of the Dwayne and Jennifer Podcast). They all share their experience wading through the IHOPKC and Mike Bickle scandal. They also talk about the importance of a healthy community and emotional wholeness to endure hardship.
Today's video is about the cult I joined in my mid 20's, MorningStar Ministries, and it's founder Rick Joyner. In this video I go over the origins of MorningStar and then focus on Rick Joyner's roll in covering up repeatedly for predators and then "restoring" them back to ministry and giving dangerous men a platform. We talk about Jim Bakker, Todd Bentley, Mike Bickle, Erickson Lee, Chris Reed, and the latest lawsuits against Rick and MorningStar. Check out Stickers, prints. and more here- https://www.etsy.com/shop/shopcassiemarieartFollow Cassie on TikTok- www.TikTok.com/@the.cassiemarieInstagram- www.instagram.com/the.cassiemarieYouTube- @nocultyvibesListen to No Culty Vibes with Cassie Marie-https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast...https://open.spotify.com/show/7HHbJMl...Or wherever you get your podcasts Links to articles and websites I reference in this video:https://web.archive.org/web/20181227061825/https://web.archive.org/web/20150116001253/http://www.pfo.org/r-joyner.htmhttps://julieroys.com/president-morningstar-chris-reed-resigns-admits-sexual-misconduct/https://www.christianpost.com/news/fresh-fire-leader-todd-bentley-accused-of-perverse-sexual-addiction-preying-on-interns.htmlhttps://www.morningstarministries.org/publications/fullness-timehttps://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model-pdf-download/https://protestia.com/2024/09/19/todd-bentley-returning-to-morningstar-ministries/https://julieroys.com/investigations/morningstar-chris-reed/https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:US:558cdc88-79fc-4406-a583-0d1f8292a1fb?viewer%21megaVerb=group-discoverhttps://www.heraldonline.com/news/local/crime/article291735485.htmlhttps://www.heraldonline.com/news/local/crime/article292039440.htmlhttps://www.wbtv.com/2023/05/03/cornelius-police-officer-charged-with-criminal-sexual-conduct-with-minor/https://www.newsweek.com/pastor-rick-joyner-urges-american-christians-prepare-civil-war-1576570https://janjalalich.com/blog/definition-and-explanation-of-the-word-cult/https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10161982465227412&id=778777411&mibextid=wwXIfr&rdid=DqyDoAHHjiGKKLLr
In this episode, Elizabeth Johnston and Shane Winnings dive deep into the red flags of spiritual abuse within prominent ministries. They discuss recent scandals and the urgent call for integrity and accountability in the Church. This conversation aims to equip believers to discern truth, advocate for justice, and pursue holiness in their communities.
In this episode, we dive deep into the topic of spiritual abuse at a time when recent controversies surrounding prominent ministries like Daystar, Gateway Church, and Mike Bickle have arisen. Joined by Sarah McDugal, an advocate and expert on abuse recovery, we unpack how spiritual abuse happens, its devastating impact, and how believers can recognize the signs and pursue healing. Tune in for a powerful conversation that brings truth, clarity, and hope to a sensitive topic.
In this episode of Green Room, Sydney and Chloe interview ShShiloahiloh Bickle, Mike Bickle's granddaughter. Shiloah shares about her experience growing up in the Bickle family and the dysfunctional, no-talk culture. She talks about how she first found out about the allegations against Mike Bickle and the shock of it. We also asked her about her controversial social media posts about her father's affair. https://julieroys.com/advocate-group-ihopkc-founder-mike-bickle-covered-up-sons-affair-threatened-whistleblower/
Join us for an eye-opening conversation with Allen Hood, Mike Bickle's former right-hand man, as we take a deep dive into the stories and controversies behind ministry scandals. Gain insider perspectives, explore lessons learned, and discover how faith can endure amidst challenges. Don't miss this episode of truth and redemption!
Guest Bios Show Transcript https://youtu.be/u94-UCMB14kThe fact that abuse occurs at all in churches is horrific. What's worse—often, the abusers are protected rather than exposed. And the victims bear crushing trauma of both the abuse and the cover-up. But there is a better way. On this edition of The Roys Report, internationally renowned psychologist Diane Langberg joins Julie to discuss her new book, When the Church Harms God's People. Not only does the book explain why churches are failing miserably in this area, it also explains how to fix the problem. Known around the world for her expertise and care as a Christian leader, Dr. Langberg has counseled many victims of high-profile ministry leaders. She knows the evils of sexual abuse, domestic abuse, and rape committed by church predators—and now confronts this devastating evil. In our discussion based on her latest book, which is available this month to supporters of The Roys Report, Dr. Langberg unveils what she's learned about how churches cause harm. Why do Christian communities often foster unhealthy leaders who end up hurting rather than protecting God's people? She also offers hope for the future, describing how churches can reflect Christ—not just in what they teach, but also in how they care for themselves and others. This insightful conversation offers a small preview of what we'll be hearing from Dr. Langberg at Restore Conference coming up in February, as she is one of more than a dozen leading Christian voices who will share. Listen in to hear her heart, with wisdom from walking God's narrow path for many decades. Guests Dr. Diane Langberg Dr. Diane Langberg is a globally recognized psychologist with 53 years of clinical experience working with trauma patients. She has trained caregivers from six continents in responding to trauma and the abuse of power. For 29 years she directed her own practice in the suburbs of Philadelphia. Now, in partnership with Dr. Phil Monroe, Langberg, Monroe & Associates continues this work which includes more than a dozen therapists. Dr. Langberg has authored numerous books including Redeeming Power and When the Church Harms God's People. Learn more at her website. Show Transcript SPEAKERS JULIE ROYS, DR. DIANE LANGBERG JULIE ROYS 00:04 Internationally recognized psychologist, Dr Diane Langberg, has encountered the crushing trauma of sexual abuse, domestic abuse and rape and its cover up. Even more tragic, she’s encountered all of this within the church,. But as she explains today, there is a better way. JULIE ROYS 00:21 Welcome to The Roys report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. I’m Julie Roys, and today Dr Diane Langberg joins me to discuss her new book, When the Church Harms God’s People. The fact that abuse occurs at all in the church is horrific. But as listeners to this podcast know, abuse is happening in the church, and too often, the perpetrators are protected, and the victims bear the brunt of not just the abuse but the cover. In her new book, Dr Langberg confronts this horrific evil, and she unveils what she’s learned about how churches cause harm and why Christian communities often foster unhealthy leaders who end up hurting rather than protecting God’s people. She also offers hope for the future, describing how churches can reflect Christ, not just in what they teach, but in how they care for themselves and for others. JULIE ROYS 01:12 We’ll get to this insightful interview in just a moment, but first, I’d like to thank the sponsors of this podcast, The RESTORE Conference, and Marquardt of Barrington. 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To check them out just go to BUYACAR123.COM. JULIE ROYS 01:12 Well again, joining me today is Dr Diane Langberg, an internationally recognized psychologist with more than five decades of clinical experience with trauma victims. She’s also trained caregivers on six continents in responding to trauma and the abuse of power. She’s also written several books, including her latest, When the Church Harms God’s People. So Diane, welcome. It is such a pleasure to have you join me. DIANE LANGBERG 02:58 Thank you. It’s an honor to be here. JULIE ROYS 03:00 I’ve said this to you before in person. I don’t know that I’ve ever said it in a podcast, but I do consider you the matriarch of the abuse survivor community and someone who is not just special because of your trauma experience, but I think because of your faith that has endured really trudging through some amazingly toxic stuff. So again, just such an honor and a pleasure to be with you. And I know last year at RESTORE you weren’t able to be with us because you were writing this book. So I am thrilled that you’re done and able to be with us at the RESTORE coming up in Phoenix. DIANE LANGBERG 03:39 I’m thrilled to be done too. JULIE ROYS 03:43 I hope you appreciate that we’re going to be in Phoenix instead of Chicago when it’s February. So your book talks about when the church harms God’s people. And obviously the church is supposed to be a place of healing and of comfort, but it ceased to be this in some cases. And I know there’s a myriad of reasons for why this has happened, but if you could kind of put your finger on ‘here’s the main reason that I see contributing to what we’re seeing in the church today’, what would you say that is? DIANE LANGBERG 04:15 So, rather than the love in those places, we are protecting a system that we think is truth and makes us safe and all those kinds of things. But last I checked, Jesus didn’t die for systems, JULIE ROYS 04:34 So often it’s the shepherd that is at fault for preying on the sheep. I mean, here we have a shepherd that’s supposed to protect sheep, and instead, we have shepherds who are preying on them, which is just the antithesis of who Jesus is, the antithesis of who they are supposed to be. But sometimes, in fact, probably in 100% of these cases, when there’s a. shepherd who is not really a shepherd, but he’s a wolf parading as one, it’s deception that’s happening. Why is it, how can we tell whether a shepherd who can be incredibly charming, right? and say all the right words and all those things? How can we tell if this person is actually a shepherd, or if he’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing? DIANE LANGBERG 05:25 Well, I think the way that Jesus put it is by their fruits you will know them. I think that we have fallen into the trap, I suppose, of measuring fruit by success, which, if we measure fruit by success, then Jesus failed. JULIE ROYS 05:45 So what would you say fruit is? DIANE LANGBERG 05:47 It’s likeness to him. I mean when we’re taught about the fruit of the Spirit, it means someone who loves. It means someone who treats others with respect and kindness and protects the sheep because of their preciousness, eternally to the shepherd. JULIE ROYS 06:10 And yet, so often it is true when I get pushback for the type of reporting that we do, exposing someone who has been a very bad shepherd, that is often what I hear, what about the fruit? And when they say fruit, they mean the numbers, right? DIANE LANGBERG 06:29 Yeah. Number and money and fame. That’s fruit which is not fruit of Christ. JULIE ROYS 06:35 One of the questions that I get asked a lot, and I think it varies from person to person. But they ask, were these predator pastors? Did they begin bad, and they just conned people the whole time into their positions? Or are these people who maybe had good intentions to begin with, maybe were good people to begin with, and the pressures of the system began to change who they were. What would you say to those who asked that question? DIANE LANGBERG 07:14 Well, I think the first honest thing I would say is I don’t know, but I think that there is a spectrum of some are this way. Some are this way. Some start out really intending to do good in things. But part of what runs through, I think a lot of it, is that certainly the Christians in general, and places like seminaries and things do not put a lot of expectation or whatever on who you are. It’s what you know how to do and do well, and how well it is happening and how big it is. But again, if you go back to the Gospels and look at the things that Jesus spoke, you know so much of it is about character. And by their fruit you will know them. And the fruit he’s talking about is not how many members you have in your pews. It’s your character, it’s your heart, it’s the way you speak, it’s the way you treat the least of these, those are all the things that measured him, and they are to measure us. I think we’ve lost our way, and I think that’s a global issue. JULIE ROYS 08:28 Do you think too the mega church movement, and I’ve been asked this as well, are mega churches just inherently bad? And I’m like, Well, no, I mean, there are some mega churches that do-good work, and there’s people who have been saved through these mega churches, who have been discipled through them. But I think for the pastor, I have seen that it seems like all the pressures in a mega church are in the wrong direction. I’m curious what you would say that you’ve seen with our churches today, and whether they help spiritual formation for these leaders, or whether they seem to work in the opposite direction. DIANE LANGBERG 09:09 The pressure is terrible, the expectations are extravagant, and everything has God’s name on it. So if you aren’t meeting the pressure, and you aren’t bringing in lots of people, and people aren’t talking about how wonderful you are, you’re not doing a good job. If those are the criteria, then Jesus didn’t do a good job. And so the care of the shepherd, the personality of the shepherd, the heart that not is just given in words, but indeed. All of those things show us who a shepherd is, and we are measuring by outcome. I mean again, you go back to the cross or to the resurrection, there were not very many people about looking for him. I think that we love the institution, and it feels safe to us, and it feels like God must be on our side, because we have 3000 members or whatever, when, in fact, he’s called us to love and to patience and to self-control and things like that. That’s how we look like him, how we serve him, and how we woo others to him. JULIE ROYS 10:38 Well it is centered around a celebrity so often. And this can happen in large churches, mega churches. This can happen in small churches, where the pastor can be the big fish in the small pond, just as much as you know that the celebrity pastor in this this big institution. And I think when we complain about the pastor or about the institution, we also have to look at ourselves, don’t we? because we’re the consumers of these type of churches. We are the ones that give money to these churches. What responsibility do we have as lay people to ensure that our churches are better? DIANE LANGBERG 11:19 I’m not even sure that I would start thinking about it that way, because to ensure our churches are better means to ensure a system is good, and Jesus didn’t die for systems. So the question is number one for me, on my face, asking him where I am not like him to teach me that and to teach me how to become more like Him in those ways. Part of what doing that and living there, not just doing it once or something, but living in that space with God also sharpens our eyes and our ears, and we begin to recognize things that may be painted beautifully but look nothing like Christ. I think, until that happens, the system is evidence of God, which is not whether it’s a church or a political one, or whatever it is, none of that is his fruit. It’s who we are in the places that we live that is to be his fruit. JULIE ROYS 12:31 Something I’ve really appreciated about you, and I’m hearing it in this interview, but it’s also in your writings. One of my favorite book actually, of yours is that little. It’s just a tiny paperback book on meditations for counselors. And I have found that it’s not just meditations for counselors, it’s meditations really for anybody who’s in work that does take them through some of the grossest evil that’s out there, and how to protect your soul. And I so appreciate that. I know I read it. I said this at the last RESTORE,, because I went through a very difficult time prior to it, and I read those meditations, I went through that book twice, just because I found that I needed to protect my soul, so carefully, because, again, the pressures are just not in the right direction. And I know my own flesh when I encounter these systems, makes me so angry, and you can’t, not when you, when you hear the way that people have abused. DIANE LANGBERG 13:40 Jesus cracked whips and turns tables over. So I don’t think he likes it much either. JULIE ROYS 13:46 And that’s something that I say regularly, and people are like, You sound angry, and I’ll be like, Why aren’t you angry? Like this should make us angry genuinely. Yet at the same time, Satan will use that as an opportunity in our own hearts. And you talk about in your book about the role that deception plays. This was so good, and let’s start with the predator himself. Right? How deception works with someone who is again preying on the sheep rather than protecting the sheep. Often, I wonder if they even admit to themselves what they’re doing. DIANE LANGBERG 14:29 Often not. I think that, I mean, obviously we are deceptive creatures. There’s no exceptions. The only exception was Christ, and so we carry that around. And that’s, I mean, it was started in Eden. I didn’t do it. That girl did it. JULIE ROYS 14:53 Blame it on the Lord. DIANE LANGBERG 14:54 Right, of course, but it’s been in us since the beginning. And so our go to thing is when somebody points the finger at us about anything, whether it’s true or not, our first thing is to take care of ourselves. That’s our automatic response, and if what they have given us is true, we have to make it untrue. There’s some way we want to make it untrue because it disturbs us. If we make it true, we don’t want them to think about that. It’s going to hurt our job. It’s going to do whatever. So I don’t think we have really understood the depth of that and its claws on us. And I think that that makes us very vulnerable. JULIE ROYS 15:47 Yeah, I’m still stunned. James McDonald, who I reported on back. I mean, it started in 2018 but then he was fired from his church in 2019 and most of the elders stepped down. He is out there now today, even after assaulting a 59-year-old woman and breaking her femur, he is still out there proclaiming his innocence, and even with that blaming it on PTSD that he got from me reporting and this 59-year-old woman supposedly triggered, but by the way, just curious of your professional opinion on PTSD being triggered in a situation like that, to actually assault somebody? DIANE LANGBERG 16:29 It’s a great cover up on their side. JULIE ROYS 16:33 And what’s shocking is he got a professional counselor in court to say that. DIANE LANGBERG 16:40 If someone has been doing terrible things and actually really begins to see it and is hit by what they have done and grieving by what they have done, having them look like they have PTSD would be expected, but it’s at their own hands that it’s there. It’s not you who did this or said this, therefore I feel this which many abusers would do. JULIE ROYS 17:06 and it is interesting how the blame often goes everywhere, except on the one person who’s caused it. Let’s talk about deception now with the abused and even with systems. I mean, it does always, I find it difficult to wrap my head around although I know it happens and I believe it happens, but the idea that somebody could be sexually abusing you, and yet you think that this is somehow okay spiritually, like you’re a Christian and you’re able to believe the lies that are told you. Talk about that dynamic and how that plays into it. DIANE LANGBERG 17:51 Well, I would say first of all that I don’t think we have really very much understanding of how deep deception is in all of us. No exceptions. No exception is Jesus Christ, and we do it quickly and easily. And anybody who’s raised children realizes it takes about two seconds after birth of them to figure it out. But you don’t have to teach them. It’s there. And so the way that we think is flawed, and I don’t think we start with that premise. We know other people where it’s flawed, but we’re doing the right thinking, and we don’t expose or look at ourselves in those ways. So I think we have very little understanding of the depth of deception in individual humans, often on a daily basis, and then how that shapes and controls systems which only reinforce the deception that we have because we like the system. So it’s here since the beginning. It’s got deep roots. DIANE LANGBERG 19:20 When I was a young girl, one of my grandmothers lived in the mountains of West Virginia, and I was staying with her for a couple of days, and she said to me, go downstairs to the cellar and bring up the clothes that we were washing. So I do, and we’re talking about a dirt floor cellar and the whole thing. So I go down into the cellar to get the clothes, and I started crying and screaming, and my grandmother came running, and I came running up the stairs. She turned on the lights, and she said, Watch. And then she said to me, if you turn on the lights, the rats will run. And that came back to me some years ago; in terms of deception, in organizations, in myself, in leaders, in whatever, turning on the lights. And that’s what Jesus did and does – rats run! And then we have to make a choice. Number one, are we going to turn on the light? which most of us are very uncomfortable. I mean, I don’t need him. I get that turn on the light, and they will run. JULIE ROYS 20:32 So good. I know at RESTORE in 2022 you made the comment that says how to when you were addressing how to recognize a wolf in the church, and you said, Well, one way is to not become one. And I saw some pushback to that. I thought it was a fantastic point because I think we all have this, and if we deny that we have it, that’s almost the scariest situation, because if you are not attending to your own heart, that’s when I think you are most likely to fall into this. But some people said, Oh, wait, isn’t this sin leveling? Because it takes a special kind of evil to be a pedophile or to sexually abuse someone, and not all of us are there. Speak to those folks who were saying that, and I think you know, and I understand where they’re coming from. What would you say to them? DIANE LANGBERG 21:36 Well, I think, first of all, sin in itself is on a continuum. I mean, some sins do hideous damage to people that all the help in the world isn’t going to undo. You know, it’s not going to go away, really, until they see the face of Jesus. There are other things that we do, that we see, and we stop doing, or other people see us stop and we change. And things like, it’s all on a continuum. And the problem is, if you have, let’s say, as an adolescent, you start doing things to cover up things, which is pretty common in adolescence, frankly. Did you do this? No, I didn’t do this. Were you in this place? No, I was not. So forth. JULIE ROYS 22:35 I’m not sure it’s just adolescents either. DIANE LANGBERG 22:37 Oh I know it’s not. The point is that it’s very young, and it happens when you can have a toddler. You ask them, “Did they do something? Did you spill this? No, you know, darn sure they were. JULIE ROYS 22:51 It reminds me of my grandson who, four-year-old grandson who was asked if he did something. He said, No, my mind made me do that. My mind told me to do that. DIANE LANGBERG 23:04 Well, that’s a keeper number one and number two, I mean, teach him when he has a different level brain to look at himself. But yes, it’s in all of us. And so when I said that what I’m saying is, don’t live even minorly in the way that perpetrators live. Don’t excuse harm to others. Doesn’t have to be sexual abused, It could be a rude person. Don’t excuse that rudeness. Don’t treat other people as if they have no value or they can easily be discarded or whatever. DIANE LANGBERG 23:43 It is the things that grow and control if we keep doing them that we don’t theoretically want to do. And that’s what I mean by that. Look at yourself and we are very good at saying, Well, I did do this, but I didn’t do that. We do that all the time, and we’re leveling it, and we’re not looking at ourselves in the light when we do that. That’s what we’re called to do. JULIE ROYS 24:16 I love that you say, put rudeness up there and not honoring people as made in God’s image. I find sometimes it’s hard to remember that even the perpetrator was made in God’s image. And someone who’s taught me a great deal about that is Lori Anne Thompson. I have never heard her dehumanize another human being. Again, for those who don’t know her, she was one of the victims of sexual abuse by Ravi Zacharias. I’ve never heard her do that, and I find being around her makes me a better person, because I always hear her honoring every person. Not that she won’t call them words that they rightly have owned, but to remember that every single person is made in God’s image and treat them. , DIANE LANGBERG 25:09 Yes, you will never meet somebody who is not, even if they’ve got their bodies six feet waiting in hell. They were made in the image of God. JULIE ROYS 25:23 It reminds me of CS Lewis, who said, “We will never meet a mere mortal. DIANE LANGBERG 25:28 Right? Yes, which does not mean being easy on it. That’s one of the places many people get confused. If I think this way, then I but actually, if you really think that way and love somebody, I mean they’re dancing in hell, for crying out loud, if they’re abusing children or something like that. The gift to them is the truth and turning on the lights so the rats run . JULIE ROYS 25:56 Absolutely. And repentance is a gift. And the best thing we can do is call them to repentance, and I try to keep that in the forefront of my work too, that that is always my hope. Do I want them to be removed from spiritual positions? Yes, but ultimately we pray for their soul. Ultimately we pray that they would repent. JULIE ROYS 26:19 When you talk about the deception that operates in these systems. There’s a lot of, I mean, even psychologically, what’s going on with, I think, the staff, with the people, the lay people, as they hear things. And you talked about something called Truth Default Theory. Would you explain what that is and how that often is in operation when these things begin to get revealed? DIANE LANGBERG 26:51 The best way to find out what that is to read that section of the book, frankly. And it’s not a short thing to explain, so to speak. But people choose to lie because they think the outcome will be good. If you tell the truth of a big mess, the outcome will be bad, which there’s some truth to that . You’re going to blow something up if you tell the truth. It’ll make a mess, and everything else. And so I think that people want to keep the system okay. And so you’ll see these places or whatever, where the leader has been sexually abusive, maybe for years and years, and they got rid of the leader, but they don’t go any deeper. They don’t go any deeper into it because this is the church, and we want it to be, we want it to thrive, and we’re glad that that stopped and all that kind of stuff. And we make it shallow. It’s not shallow. You can’t do harm like abuse or live with that harm for years or months or whatever, and then just walk away and be fine. It’s not a possibility. And so part of that is understanding the different ways that people hold on to systems. Now, this is my church. I love it. I’m going to protect it. Yes, he did those things, yes, they’re terrible, but we fired him, and that’s all. It’s shallow in terms of really understanding. JULIE ROYS 28:37 And when we have this vested interest, we do seem to try, and we’ve seen this a lot, we seem to choose who we believe. And so often, I think people are just predisposed to believing the person who has the position of spiritual authority, and usually the victim is someone we’ve never heard of and often, one of the first things that the system does to protect their basically, this is their money maker, right? This is their image as a church or as a ministry, is that they will denigrate the person who’s bringing whether it’s a reporter, whether it’s the victims themselves bringing the allegations, and the people seem to be predisposed to just believing the person we want to believe. DIANE LANGBERG 29:40 Yes, yes, yes. We want it to be okay. We want it just to go back to normal without the bad guy, they figured out. First of all, the understanding of how it seeps into everything, contaminates everything is not understood. So if the bad guy is gone, so to speak, then let’s just be fine. But if a bad guy had run a truck over a half of the denomination and nobody could walk, what would you do? That’s clear there is the harm, and it’s still there, even though the people who drove the trucks got kicked out. But with this kind of thing, I think it’s easier for people to push it away and say, well, the bad is gone. And, this is good, whatever. JULIE ROYS 30:34 Talk about the larger system. So I often refer to it as the evangelical industrial complex. I think you refer to it a little bit differently, but it’s the same thing. Often it’s not just the particular institution where there’s allegations being raised, but there’s an entire system behind that nation, a denomination, or even a camp like I think we saw that with Mike Bickle and sort of the International Houses of Prayer and their related ministries, and even that seeped into the Messianic ministries that were very much a part of this. Talk to those who maybe are somewhat naive about how these systems work. Because I know before, before I got a job several decades ago at Moody Radio, I didn’t know this existed. I was kind of like, pretty blind to it all. And I just thought, these are all wonderful ministries. And I think a lot of people believe that and I wish it were all true; some of them are wonderful ministries. But talk about that system and how it exists and how it works. DIANE LANGBERG 31:54 Well, even if you think of it just as a family or a big system like that, the idea of the family, or the idea of a church, whatever. Those are good ideas. We love the idea. We want to help the idea. We want to make it grow. We want it to get bigger, and all of those things. And then something comes along that shows that there’s cancer and so sometimes we ignore that. There’s plenty of organizations that do that. Sometimes the response is very superficial, and sometimes people really want to get rid of, say, those who are the source of the cancer, whatever, but they still aren’t doing any treatment for the cancer. JULIE ROYS 32:42 Some of it’s quite carnal too, isn’t it? Just come down to, I mean, we’re talking dollars and cents with some of these. DIANE LANGBERG 32:47 Oh my goodness, yes, fame and a whole lot of money. JULIE ROYS 32:51 It really is amazing, once you get into this, when you realize how much the celebrity pastor supports the entire industry, whether it’s the mega church, whether it’s publishing, whether it’s Christian radio, because we rely on them for our programming and to bring the big crowds, or to bring the audience to a station, I mean, all of those things. And I think people don’t realize it is a billions, billions of dollars involved in evangelicalism. DIANE LANGBERG 33:21 Be we tell ourselves, it’s all God’s work, and his message is getting out there, and people are hearing, and we have to protect that period . JULIE ROYS 33:30 And despite the fact that these pastors are living in multi-million-dollar homes, sometimes multiple multi-million-dollar homes, and somehow we say they deserve it? like whether they deserve it or not, Christ didn’t live like. DIANE LANGBERG 33:46 He certainly deserved it, right? JULIE ROYS 33:50 And yet he, he never, you know, I always go back to Philippians two, being in very nature God did not consider equality with God a thing to be grasped. But instead, emptied Himself and became a servant and it’s like we’ve forgotten that model. And sometimes I’m just like, wow. DIANE LANGBERG 34:12 Well, I think in many ways, over, I don’t know how many decades, but that the Christian world has forgotten those things, which I can’t imagine how much grief we have caused our God. JULIE ROYS 34:25 Despite these harms that you talk about in your book, and you explain, and we’ve talked about on this podcast, you express hope for the church. And I think a lot of folks are looking at the American church and not feeling very hopeful at all. Why do you feel that there’s hope? DIANE LANGBERG 34:48 Because Jesus Christ exists. It goes back to him. But I have also in this work, met very fine, pastors, leaders, whatever, who have come in to see me, whether struggling with something or whatever, but who long to do right to please God, to love Jesus well, to love their people well. So I have not had a diet of only those who are either victims of terrible harm or doing the harm. I think if that’s all I’d had, I would have a much harder thing to think about in terms of my thoughts about God, and I did. There was a time, I don’t know how long ago it was now, some years where I decided I can’t do this anymore. It’s going to make me rotten inside. And literally got down on my knees and said to God, okay, I’m done. You’ll have to let me know what other job you want me to do. Obviously, he did not do that, because I’m still there. That was a turning point for me in many ways, many of them wonderful. But you know, how much of that can you sit with and look at and not be made sick by it? If you’re not, something’s wrong with you. But if it does that to you, then, how do you deal with yourself? JULIE ROYS 36:23 And I think one of the most insidious parts of religious abuse and trauma in the church is that it separates you often from community. And I have found, and I haven’t been in this nearly as long as you, but that community, and I think we need to sometimes redefine it. And I mean, I’m in a house church now, and I’ve talked about this on numerous podcasts, but it’s been a safe place for me. It’s been a wonderfully healing place for me. But it’s just been crucial. And I know not everybody has that opportunity, but somehow I just think we have to, we have to seek that out, even if it’s really difficult for us. And I understand some people need to take a break for a while, and I totally get that. And we had a very compassionate church, or house church, where there were a number of us that were wounded, that people were willing to sit with us in that and not try to make something out of what we were doing more than just loving people, which really is, I mean, that’s the essence of it, all right. Wow. That that you’re right. If all you encounter are toxic people doing toxic things, and I still feel this way to this day, the most beautiful people that I know still are Christians. Some of the most ugly ones that I’ve encountered are professing Christians, whether they know Christ, that’s between them and him. But yeah, I will still say the most loving, beautiful human beings on this planet that I know are still Christians. DIANE LANGBERG 38:16 Yes, and I have found that to be true. And I’ve sat with people sometimes for years working through growing up with abuse, churches abusing, I mean, just the idea that anybody can grow and have a life and bear good fruit out of all of that, it’s a miracle. But I watch it, it’s there, and it is a thing of beauty, JULIE ROYS 38:43 Truly is. I’ve said this before, but you are an inspiration to me. I know you’re an inspiration to so many of the folks that are listening,. I would just love to know from you, and I know you, that there is no secret hill or secret formula. But as you’re looking back over five decades of work and your relationship with Jesus, what would be some things that you would say to us, and remaining true to the end, fighting the good fight, being able to say someday before Christ, or hearing him say to us, well done, good and faithful servant. We want to get there. How can we get there? DIANE LANGBERG 39:40 Well, I think one of the things I would say is that I did try to quit once. I mean, I told God, I was quitting. I didn’t ask him anything. Probably, there’s something about me, of course, but I couldn’t do it. I was either gonna react in ways that were harmful for people or just deaden myself. Those seem to be the only options, and that was a huge turning point for me. I obviously did stay with it. So he won, but he responded to me and helped me see things in way of the cross that I had not seen before, in who he is in his heart. So feel like quitting. I think that’s pretty normal, you know, and I think a lot of people do. But I think, yeah, I literally got down on my face on the floor, and said, I quit your turn, I don’t know what to do. But he responded, and I’m so grateful, and I’m so grateful I didn’t. I’ve learned more of him by staying I wouldn’t trade for anything. I’ve also seen changes, not just in individuals, which I have, but in some systems, or at least portions of it was probably right. JULIE ROYS 41:13 I mean obviously God could do all of the work that we do without us. He doesn’t need us, and yet he chooses to allow us to partner with what he’s doing in the world and through that, we become different people. We become, I’ve said it to my husband before, like I feel sometimes like he is making us more enjoyable companions for him. DIANE LANGBERG 41:44 Yes, we become more like Him. And you don’t feel it in the middle of it, and it takes a long time, but it’s somewhere along the way you look back and go, Oh, that’s not what I was like before. Has his aroma in it. JULIE ROYS 42:01 Well, I just want to thank you so much for your work, for your writing, and I’m just absolutely thrilled that you’re coming to RESTORE in February. So looking forward to that. And a new thing thanks to Phil Monroe, your partner there, is having a pre-conference for counselors. Because, again, we need to minister to the counselors, to the caregivers, to the pastors, absolutely. And so I’m thrilled that we’re going to be able to do that, and you’re going to be able to participate in that. And then the conference as well and speaking to a lot of people who’ve been through an awful lot of church hurts. So very much looking forward to that. But thank you so much for taking the time today, and thank you for this new book, even though we weren’t able to have you toward the last RESTORE, which, for me personally, was a sacrifice, but definitely worth it in the book. So thank you. DIANE LANGBERG 42:58 Well, thank you for having me, and I am glad for the work that you do. It touches people, but whose souls have been hurt, gives them a taste of light and love. So blessings on you.. JULIE ROYS 43:19 Thank you. JULIE ROYS 43:22 Thanks so much for listening to The Roys Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. I’m Julie Roys, and I would love to get you a copy of Diane’s latest book, When the Church Harms God’s People. 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In the debut of season 6 of the Dwayne and Jennifer Podcast, they break their long silence and talk about the Mike Bickle and IHOPKC scandal that has developed over the last year. They discuss some of why they have taken the posture they've taken and their experience walking through this tremendous trial. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dwayne-and-jennifer-show/support
In the second episode of season 6 of the Dwayne and Jennifer Podcast, they continue to break their long silence and talk about the Mike Bickle and IHOPKC scandal that has developed over the last year. They discuss some of why they have taken the posture they've taken and their experience walking through this tremendous trial. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/dwayne-and-jennifer-show/support
Send us a textIn this episode, we tackle a pressing issue that has left many believers disillusioned: scandal fatigue. From the moral failures of once-trusted Christian leaders like Mike Bickle, Robert Morris, Ravi Zacharias, Jerry Falwell Jr., and Mark Driscoll, to the widespread misconduct uncovered within organizations such as Hillsong Church and the Southern Baptist Convention, the Christian community has faced a barrage of betrayals. These scandals cut deep, leaving behind a trail of hurt and a growing sense of apathy and distrust.As Christians, we understand that leaders are human, fallible, and susceptible to sin. Yet, the repeated revelations of moral failures among those who should know better have left many struggling with a profound sense of betrayal. How do we cope with the emotional toll of these scandals? How can we overcome the fatigue that threatens to erode our faith and commitment?Join us as we explore these questions, looking to Jesus—who Himself was betrayed by a trusted friend—for guidance. We'll discuss how to heal from church hurt, regain our focus on Christ, and continue being a light in a world overshadowed by the failures of those we once admired. Don't miss this critical conversation on restoring trust and hope in the wake of scandal.
In this special podcast episode, Matthew Lilley and Jonathan Friz have an extended follow-up discussion on the Jonathan's recent article 'Don't Overcorrect: The US Prayer Movement after the Mike Bickle Scandal' and its impact. They explore the global prayer movement, the teachings of Mike Bickle and the IHOPKC prophetic history - acknowledging the need for discernment and evaluating teachings and prophecy based on Scripture.
Sydney and Chloe interview their friend Mari Bohlender about her experience going to IHOPU as a young adult. Mari shares how it has been for her in the post-Mike Bickle scandal world with her social media activism.
In this two-hour episode of Remnant, we delve into the unsettling reality behind the scenes at the International House of Prayer (IHOP) and the scandal with Mike Bickle. Join us as we listen to the firsthand accounts of Joanna May, Rachael Steel, and Julie Meyer, former members of IHOP, who courageously share their experiences of systemic abuse, manipulation, and neglect under the leadership of Mike Bickle. Through their powerful narratives, we uncover the hidden struggles and toxic culture that pervaded this influential organization. This episode is not just about the experiences of these individuals; it's a broader examination of how unchecked power and a lack of accountability can lead to widespread harm within religious communities. Tune in for an eye-opening discussion that challenges us to reflect on the importance of integrity and transparency in church leadership. Kairos Classroom: Use Promo Code "Remnant" for 10% offhttps://kairosclassroom.com/classes Kairos Classroom: Use Promo Code Remnant for 10% offhttps://kairosclassroom.com/classesSupport the Show.
Carl Lentz is back. Yeah, you read that right. Wretched Radio | Air Date: May 30, 2024 https://media-wretched.org/Radio/Podcast/WR2024-0530.mp3 Segment 1 The International House of Prayer is going out of business. Carl Lentz is back in business. Segment 2 Francis Chan loves Mike Bickle. Jesus healed instantaneously. We don’t have authority to raise anyone from the […] The post WHEN DISQUALIFIED USED TO MEAN DISQUALIFIED appeared first on Wretched.
On today's Bible Answer Man broadcast (05/30/24), Hank answers the following questions:Did Adam and Eve have sexual intercourse with Satan? Ruth - FL (0:54)How do I preach on controversial doctrines, like the five points of Calvinism without offending people? Dave - Nashville, TN (6:56)Will we be able to sin in Heaven? Debra - Laverne, TN (15:13)What are your thoughts on the International House of Prayer and the ministry of Mike Bickle? Debbie - St. Louis, MO (18:14)What exactly happened in Genesis chapter 9 between Noah and his son Ham that led to the curse of Canaan? Chuck - Memphis, TN (22:09)
Guest Bios Show Transcript What does it take to disqualify someone from ministry? An affair? Spiritual abuse? Sexual abuse? Abuse of power? Or, as some have claimed, can just about anyone be restored to ministry because “God is gracious” and “His call is irrevocable”? This edition of The Roys Report takes a deep dive into the Scriptures—particularly, those specific verses used to justify restoring pastors to ministry who have fallen in egregious ways. Author and Bible teacher Ron Cantor joins host Julie Roys for this engaging discussion. Partly because of confusion around the “irrevocable” call to ministry, the evangelical church is often like a game of “whack-a-wolf.” A pastor will be exposed as a fraud or abuser in one location. Then he'll just go underground for a couple of years and relaunch somewhere else. That's why it's critical to address common errors of theology and interpretation—including how to confront a sinning leader. In what situations do the principles of Matthew 18 apply, and how is it often misapplied? And what does the Apostle Paul mean by “being above reproach”? This is such a relevant discussion now, given what's happening with Mike Bickle, the founder of the International House of Prayer in Kansas City. (Full coverage here.) Bickle's alleged sexual abuse of multiple women includes accounts from girls as young as 14- and 15-years old. Yet some are suggesting that Bickle can still be restored. Is that really what the Bible instructs? Ron Cantor, a Jewish believer in Jesus who has authored ten books, engages the arguments heard often in evangelical circles—citing Scripture and context as he provides food for thought. Guests Ron Cantor Ron Cantor, a Jewish believer in Jesus, is the Israeli director of God TV. He is the author of ten books and host of two TV shows, Out of Zion and Get Real. He is president of Shelanu TV, the only 24/7, Hebrew language TV channel sharing the message of Jesus. Ron and his wife, Elena, also direct the outreach arm of Shelanu, Messiah's Mandate International, which supports pastors in Israel, Holocaust survivors, and leaders in training. The Cantors live in Tel Aviv, Israel. Learn more at RonCantor.com. Show Transcript Coming soon Read more
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