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Recently I acquired my mentor's company, and we're working over the next 12 months turning it around. If you want to know what we're doing and why, listen to this episode. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- Hey, what's up everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. I hope you guys have an amazing day. I had a really fun, interesting week working with Dan Kennedy's company, Magnetic Marketing, and a whole bunch of other cool things. Some of you guys may or may not have heard, but we acquired his company recently. And with that, we got 40 years of intellectual property. And so this episode, we'll talk about what we're doing with it all, what it's going to look like, why I'm so excited, and a whole bunch of other cool stuff. All right. So number one, how cool is this? I keep pinching myself. When I first got in this game, my first mentors, my first internet mentor really was Mark Joyner, which helped get me to a certain level. And then I started looking for more stuff and that's when I bumped into Dan Kennedy and Bill Glazer, and I started going to their mastermind groups and their events. And man, it really was like the next evolution for me is just really understanding these core principles and things that have been working since the beginning. I always kind of tease these guys are teaching how to use fax machines and the Pony Express to deliver marketing messages, because a lot of it was like direct mail bootcamps and stuff like that, all kind of older school stuff. And at first it didn't make sense to me how this stuff worked until really I started realizing through Dan that these things that we all think we are, like we think we're internet marketers, he's like, "No, no, no." He's like, "The internet is a channel. It's a media channel." And a lot of us, we think Facebook, Instagram, YouTube is media channels, but for Dan's rule, it's like the internet's one channel. There's direct mail, there's TV, there's radio, and internet is a channel. And nowadays obviously it is I think the best and the coolest channel, but the principles and the philosophies and the psychology and the persuasion and all the things that are working today on the internet are things that were pioneered and developed through direct mail, through TV, through radio. And so, so much of Dan's stuff, he's had a chance to work with everybody for the last 40 years. I say 40, not four, the last 40 years has been just kind of all around these things. And it's just like ... Anyway, so I digress. Again, when I was getting into this, I started learning those things and all the sudden I was like, oh my gosh, the things I'm learning that they did in their fax marketing or their direct mail, I can use on the internet, I can use on the Facebook ads, I can use, and for me really, it was what changed my business. And honestly, for most of you guys, your businesses, as well. A lot of you guys probably don't even know that the core foundations that ClickFunnels were built on were the principles that I learned from Dan Kennedy and that we just turned it into software and turned it something that everybody could do. So that's why it's so exciting. And we recently acquired the company, which is a huge honor for me because I have this unique opportunity and chance now to take my mentor's stuff and to continue it on and bring it into the future. And I'm excited. So this week, on Monday, Tuesday, this week, we had the existing Magnetic Marketing team, the people that are still there, the company flew out here to Boise, and we spent two days kind of figuring out what's the plans, what's the future? How do we get this thing back to the point where there's 10,000 active members on membership and there's all these things that are happening? And so as they showed up, we also had a chance to look at like, okay, what did we actually acquire here? What's all the intellectual property? And it's insane. There's 40 years of stuff. And some is not relevant, and so we're sifting through those, but most of it is some of the best stuff ever. And it's cool, because as we were building out funnels and looking at these courses that they've been selling for $2,500 or $3,000 or $5,000, and it's just like, they're not selling a lot of them. I'm like, ugh, it's because they just need to be packaged differently. But I also think that the pricing is different nowadays than it was 15, 20 years ago, even. And so what's going to be cool is we're taking, you know, Dan's written, I don't know, 20, 30 books, we're taking each book and we're figuring out what courses sync with it, what content fits in this process. And we're building out new funnels, like book funnels that take people through all the products and the courses and the events that Dan did related to each book. Every book he wrote, he wrote a book and then they'd do an event teaching it and then they would do workshops and they'd do all these things. And so every book has got like an archive of stuff that nobody's ever seen before, which is insane. And I'm going through the archives. I'm like, oh my gosh, I thought I owned everything Dan ever had, and I had never seen this, never seen this, never heard of this. And so it's just so exciting. We're having a chance to come pull things out and plug them in and all these things. But as excited and as nerdy as I am in this process, the thing I wanted to share with you guys is that the things that you are learning, the principles you are learning, the things that you've been, especially going deep with me and you've been reading DotCom Secrets, Expert Secrets, Traffic Secrets, literally all we're doing is using that playbook. I'm coming in to this company where I learned a lot of these principles with, but the company's been sold twice since Dan and Bill ran it. So they've fallen away from a lot of the core principles that made them great initially. And so what we're doing literally is like, hey, what's the value ladder? Okay, what is the front end offer? Okay, here's the funnel, what do we need? What's the free plus shipping? What's the order form bump? What's upsell one, upsell two? What's downsell? You know, like walking through and then, okay after someone buys this, where's the next step we take them? What's the next tier on the value ladder? How do we move them up one tier? And then okay, from there, what content do we need, what pieces, and we're kind of just literally just taking the same blueprint that you guys have been learning forever. I laid the blueprint out for you guys, like this is the blueprint. It doesn't deviate. It doesn't change. It's the same for every business. I don't care if you're selling info, products, or coaching, or physical products, or dental, you know, cleaning people's teeth, or if you are doing chiropractic adjustments. It doesn't matter. It's all the same. The framework's the same. It's like a house. The framework's the same. You have a bathroom. You have a kitchen. It doesn't matter if you're making a $30,000 house or a $30 million house, the framework's the same. And so we're just bringing up the same frameworks you guys have been learning and studying and then taking all of the pieces, the content, the copy, the assets and everything, and just plugging it into that framework. So I wanted to share that with all you guys, because I know that, and I'm probably one of the causes of this because I get so excited and I want to launch a thousand funnels because I know the profits, I know how they work. I can just do it over and over again. And so we roll out a lot of things. But if you actually look at this strategy, me coming into this new company and having 40 years of intellectual property and a million courses and products and all this stuff, the strategy is the same. It's the same thing. And so if I was you guys and you're still not sure what to do, start there, start with the DotCom Secrets book, read the book and say, okay, what's the value ladder? What's funnel number one? What's offers inside of funnel number one? And coming back to the basics. I get people, it's crazy, on Instagram, I don't know if you guys ever click over to the other tab, which is messages that don't go in the inbox. I look at that probably once a week or so, just to see if I'm missing any conversations with people who I need to be having conversations with. And I look over there just to make sure I'm not missing anything. And as crazy as it is, I will tell you that each week there are probably anywhere from 20 to 50 people that message like, "Oh your stuff's so good. Where do I start?" Or, "I love your stuff. I can't figure how to get started. What should I do?" Like oh my gosh, you guys, this is simple. Read book number one. That's why I wrote the first book, so you'd have the foundation. Go read DotCom Secrets. The same thing that we're doing now, after we acquired this huge company, it's like okay, apply principles. It reminds me of Vince Lombardi. They said the first year of every football season, he'd walk out to his team. We're the best in the world, you know? And he'd hold the football and be like, "Gentlemen, this is a football." And he's just showing them, here's the foundation, here's the beginning. Here's the start of this. And I think that's what sometimes we forget, is we're trying to figure out the secret ninja, Facebook advertising hack, and the this and the that. And it's like, no, no, no, come back to the fundamentals, come back to the foundation. Gentlemen, this is a funnel. Right? Okay. Which funnel is it? Value ladder, boom, boom, boom, boom. And then you're just plugging the pieces into the model that's been proven to work over and over and over again for decades. And like I said, initially, it's the stuff I learned from Dan and learned from Bill, and such an honor to have a chance to come back. In fact, it's funny, because I was like, I'm going back to the advertising archives. We're pulling all the old sales letters back from when Dan and Bill ran the company. It's like, okay, this is what we need to see, because this is when it was done correctly. You know, everything in the last decade, since some of the other people who bought the company, they messed up the model. They didn't understand the model. They bought it, not understanding it. And they jacked the whole thing up. We're coming back, thinking back to the foundations, back to the fundamentals. What worked before? How does this work? Plug in the system. And so I'm excited. You guys will see the first iteration of what we're doing. We'll be launching probably the first week in January or maybe the last week in December. Not quite positive, but around there. And then over the next 12 months, you'll see the process. You'll see it happening in real time. You'll see, oh, there's the front end of the value. Oh, he's moving us up a step. Oh, from there we're moving to the high ticket. Oh, from there there's a continuity. You'll be able to see it rolled out in real time over the next 12 months, which will be really, really fun. So I'm pumped. I'm excited. Hope you guys, are as well, to see behind the scenes of the process. But that's what we did this week. So if you guys, if you are at the beginning of your business, I would stop what you're doing. Go reread DotCom Secrets, and then do what we just did. Do two day planning meetings. Okay, what's our value ladder? What's the funnel? What are the offers inside the funnels? What's the first funnel we're going to launch? And then just focus on that. Because we built out a whole value ladder. This is the thing that a lot of people make mistakes. They build a value ladder and they're like, okay, I've got to build all these things. And then they spend the next six years building all the things. No. You build a value ladder so you know where you're going. But then you just build the first thing. Like for us, it's okay, now we know where we're going between now and the next three months. The only thing that matters is this funnel, that's it. Nothing else matters. And blinders on. Let's go. And that's what we're focusing on for the next, well, it shouldn't take three months because we're ClickFunnels. Come on now. But the next 30 days, the next 60 days, is picking the one and focusing on it and not trying to build out the coaching program, the high ticket, and all these things in between, it's like, no, just focus on the one. The value ladder is there so we know where we're going, but we begin from our funnel and launch it and then we start the process from there. So anyway, I hope that helps. Again, if you're just beginning, go read the DotCom Secrets book, take two days with your business partner, your family, your friends, whoever you're working with, and map that out. If you've got a business that you just acquired and you're trying to figure it out, do that. If you are struggling in business and you're like, it's all chaos and nothing's working, and you're frustrated, take two days and do this. It's key. So hope that helps you guys. Anyway, we're getting close to Halloween. I've got my Inner Circle. Some of you guys know we relaunched Inner Circle at Funnel Hacking Live. We actually relaunched three different tiers. First is the Inner Circle for life, which is $50,000 a year. And we have, I think like 70 or 80 people signed up for that, which is crazy, but I'm excited to be able to bring back the Inner Circle. It's been closed for two years. And then we opened a second tier of Inner Circle called the Category Kings. And we started the pricing there at $150,000 a year. And there's only 14 spots. I was like, oh, it's going to take us a while to fill that up. We sold those 14 spots in two days and we have a waiting list of probably 30 people who are waiting to be able to send me $150,000 for that, which is insane. I didn't think that was going to happen. So note to self, I should have launched two Category King groups. Anyway, not this year, I'm too tired. And then we have a third tier called the Atlas Group, which is going to be, I know we have people on the waiting list. We haven't actually opened that one yet, and it's going to be really fun as well. So anyway, I'm excited because next week, all next week we've got five days of meetings with the first two tiers of Inner Circle and it's going to be a lot of fun. So anyway, I'm sure I'll probably box you, or not box you, probably do podcast episodes somewhere during that window next week and share some of the insights and the ideas and things that are happening there. And if you want to be in the Inner Circle someday, I always tell people this is where you're ascending to, get in my Inner Circle. That's where I have a chance to work really close in very small groups with you guys. So that is a goal. Nowadays you have to be a Two Comma Club winner to qualify for it. So set that as a goal. Get your Two Comma Club and then get in the Inner Circle with us, coming out, because there's a lot of fun stuff happening. All right, thanks everybody. Appreciate you all for listening, and excited to show off what we're going to be doing behind the scenes with Magnetic Marketing, Dan Kennedy's company, over the next 12 months. Thanks everybody, and we'll talk soon.

Here is the exciting wrap up of the final two days of this year's Funnel Hacking Live event! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody, this is Russell. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. All right, I'm going to break down day number three and day number four of Funnel Hacking Live for you. All right, so day three is where we start transitioning into... For me, if I go in very funnel specific, I like taking people through on this day, the bottom of the value ladder, moving up, and just showing a lot of different ways to build funnels, because there's so many different ways to do it. You can have book funnels, and challenge funnels, and webinar funnels, and high ticket funnels, and a million other things in between, summit funnels. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff, and so on day three I started going into this. And the very first person that we had speak in the morning was Kiana Danial, and she's someone who has been on every news channel a million times, Fox news, CNBC, all the business stuff, talking about investing and things like that. And she thought that was going to make her a bunch of money, but it didn't. And she ended up joining our Two Comma Club Coaching Program a couple of years ago, and we got her focusing on driving all that traffic to a funnel, and in no time she became a Two Comma Club winner. And so it was cool having her tell that story, just showing all these things that she thought meant it was going to be money like, "I thought I'd be on TV on all these shows all the time. I thought these things were going to be the things that made me money, but it wasn't. It wasn't until I actually had a funnel, I had a way to convert people into customer, that I started making money. And so it was really cool hearing her presentation. And then after that, we started moving up the value ladder. So next was Pedro Adao, and Pedro has become infamous for challenge funnels, not like challenge funnels like The One Funnel Away, which is a paid challenge funnel, but doing free challenge funnels. And Pedro talked about that, and he was awesome, he was on fire people went crazy. This is actually important, the one reason I had Pedro in here is because inside the new Two Comma Club Coaching Program, if somebody chooses the expert route, the first eight weeks we focus on them all doing a challenge, and so it's fun for them, they'll see through Pedro what these challenge funnels look like. And then later in the pitch, we would come back and say, "Oh, that thing that Pedro did, we're going to be doing that." And Pedro is going to be one of the coaches helping on that, which is really cool. So Pedro talked about free challenge funnels. After he was done, then Peng Joon, he's one of my favorite speakers, but he was stuck in Malaysia. We almost didn't know if he was going to come, he's like... Anyway, it was a big deal to get him here, and luckily he made it to the States. And what was cool is he showed how you can basically take a 30 minute presentation and turn a 30 minute presentation into an entire business, and he showed how he did it. With last time we spoke at Funnel Hacking Live, he took his presentation, he made it a book, and from there he had an upsell of the audio book, and the episode, the done for you version, and the done with you version, and he showed the whole process, how you can take one 30 minute presentation and turn it into entire business, and lead with the book funnel, and that was really cool to see that. I think it's something that most people could do pretty simply and pretty easily. After Peng Joon, then we started moving up the value ladder a little higher to Lauren Golden, and Lauren, she's built her empire, and she won multiple Two Comma Club awards, primarily through webinar funnels. So she talked about webinar funnels, showed her process there, and then she talked about other bunch of the cool things that she was really excited talking about as well, but it was the next phase of the value ladder, is like, "Hey, here's a webinar funnel." After Lauren was done, then Sarah Petty had been doing live event funnels and crushing it, and doing huge volume. The market she serves are photographers. A lot of times people think, "Well, there's not much money in photography. Photographers aren't going to pay for high ticket things." But Sarah does these virtual live events and gets photographers on them, and then from there sells a really expensive high-end coaching, and they're killing with it. And it's just really cool to see cause they do a lot of just things that I don't think through. I don't know if it's like feminine masculine, or maybe she's just more creative than me, probably that one. Anyway, but all these cool things where when someone signs up for a virtual event, they get this box, and the box has them unlocked like, "Open this thing first, this thing second, this thing third." Takes them through this whole journey, but that's what Sarah talked about, which was amazing. And then, after that, then Eileen Wilder spoke about high ticket sales, and her presentation was really fun for me because she quoted a lot of the old time personal development people who I'm studying right now, and so it was fun for me because I was like, "I'm reading about these people right now." And she's quoting them, and she's talking about them, and her presentation was awesome. That got my wife all fired up. Collette was like, "Eileen got me on fire. I got so excited about everything." And so hers was awesome. And the whole morning, it was just power-packed, and fun, and exciting, and everybody ran over on time, so there was all the stress for me and everyone on our team, but man, it turned out awesome. That morning was great. So after that, then we went and we broke to lunch. Now a couple of things we did, is we broke to lunch, and we had a special lunch for anybody who'd won a Two Comma Club award in the past. And that was for a couple of reasons, number one, to give them a free lunch, but then also, some of you guys know that I've recently reopened my inner circle, and one of the qualifications to be in the inner circle is to have won a Two Comma Club award. So we had all the Two Comma Club winners at lunch, and then we told them about the inner circle and invited them to join if they wanted to, and we end up signing up a lot of people into the new inner circle, which was awesome. It was really a soft pitch, I just said, "This is what it is, if you're interested, go sign up, and then go back and have some lunch." And so it wasn't a hard pitch, it was just letting them know there's an opportunity and that's what's happening. So we had lunch, after lunch we got back, and I was excited because over the last year... So I become really good friends with a dude named Nick. I'm going to probably mispronounce the last name. He's got the hardest last name ever, so I apologize in advance Nick, if I mess up, but Nick Santonastasso. Oh, man. Anyway, if you guys know Nick, he was born with one arm and no legs. Two arms, one arm was really small though, and the other one has got one finger on it, stuff like that. I connect to him a while ago, and he was the wrestler too, which was really fun. In fact, he came to my house and I wrestled him, and we got video of us wrestling, but just someone who's such a cool dude, I just love him. And he gave a presentation called Play The Hand That You're Dealt With, and showing people that like, "Man, life is tough. You've got a lot of hard things." But he's like, "Look at the hand I was dealt yet." Yeah, because even with this stuff he's become a bodybuilder, and he's become a coach, and he's become a speaker, and all these amazing things. He was a wrestler. Just because he was born with something that would have made life harder, he has a strong mind, and he was able to do such amazing things. So it was awesome, Nick there speaking. And then when Nick got done, it was time for me to do my presentation, to let people know about our coaching program. And every year this is hard for me, because those who had studied my stuff, they know how I sell, and so I tend to start selling, they're like, "Oh, here it comes, Russell is trying to sell something." And so this presentation was a little different than a traditional perfect webinar. The elements were all there, but it was wrapped differently. But this was one where I was actually talking about personal development, which is something I haven't talked a lot about, but I've been geeking out recently. I'm working on a book, and so I just have a lot of stuff top of mind right now. Yes, I do that presentation about that kind of stuff, and then after the presentation was towards the end, then we talked to people about success inside of our coaching program. Every year we redesign Two Comma Club X. We make it a little different, we get feedback and make tweaks and changes. And one of the biggest things that we're noticing now is that half our audience are people who want to be experts, and half our audience are people who are selling physical products. And our coaching is always steered more so towards people who are experts, because that's what I'm better at, right? And so this year we decided to partner with Alison Prince, who is someone who I just have so much love and respect for, and we decided to break it down into two tracks. There's one track that's the e-comm track, and one track that's the expert track, and people will get to pick which one they want. And Alison also helped us line up momentum coaches, and a whole bunch of other amazing things, and just really tweak the program in a powerful, powerful way. And when I did the presentation, I got to bring Alison out to talk about it as well. And people hadn't met Alison yet, so it was a weird thing to figure out how to do the presentation, to get people weaved in to get to know her in a short period of time. And then, also from there do our pitch, a new coaching program. And so what's cool with Alison, she, I don't know, she made 40 or $50 million on physical products, it's crazy. But when I met her, she was trying to learn how to become an expert. And so it's fun because I was able to tell her story about... Or excuse me, I told the story, but she told it as well, like, "I wanted to learn how to be an expert, and so I came to Russell, and he taught me these things, we did the webinar together, and boom, and I built this whole thing where Alison's won two Comma Club Awards, two Comma Club X, and this year she won two Heart Awards , which means they gave over a million dollars to charity. And she was like, "I was able to do that because of the expert business that Russel taught me. And then we were able to flip the tables and be like, "Now, Alison sends out physical product stuff. In fact, two weeks ago, I decided I wanted to see how well her stuff worked to see how much we could do, so we followed her process and put together an e-comm product, and we launched it, and we ended up doing, I think it was 15 or 16 grand in two weeks off of just following Alison's process. And I'm like, "This stuff actually works, this is so cool." And so we had both those case studies and like, "These are the two paths. Who here wants to be experts who wants to be e-comm?" It was a 50/50 split. I'm like, "Okay. Cool thing is that you can pick whatever you want in the program." And then from there we sold the Two Comma Club X Coaching Program. And then after people signed up, Todd and I got pictures of all the buyers. So they have a picture of me and them and Todd up on stage they can look at as they're trying to work towards winning Two Comma Club award. And so that went really, really well. Sales crushed it, Alison is so good. And after dinner, then we had Alison come back and do a whole hour long workshop, teaching her process and how it works, and showing all the things. And so she did her presentation after dinner, which was really, really cool. And then we soft pitched TCCC again before we went to bed that night. That's what happened at day number two, and so it was amazing. We got to go through the entire value ladder doing funnels. We had a chance to hear Nick just motivate the heck out of you, and you get excited about what's possible. And then I got to do my personal development stuff, and then Alison, and Alison got to come in and talk about physical products. So that was the end of day number three, and at day number four, and I'm just going to go directly to day four, because three and four weave together. Day number four is where I came out in the morning, I did a presentation called Bootstrapped, which is how we built our business, we bootstrapped it. And I actually announced a new award called the Bootstrapped Entrepreneur of the Year Award. I talked about that, and then my twins were here at Funnel Hacking Live this year. So I brought them on stage, helped me show the new awards, which are insanely cool. And I did a presentation showing how we bootstrapped ClickFunnels, and ups and the downs, and told that story. And then we did what's called the re-pitch, which is basically like, "This is the last time, it's time for the coaching program, go and do it now." And we took a break, and people signed up, and that was the end of the selling part of Funnel Hacking Live. And then from there on out, it's usually for me, I get to relax and just enjoy the rest of the day, which is awesome. And so the next presentation after the break was Garrett J White. and those who know Garrett, Garrett spoke at every Funnel Hacking Live in the past. He's usually, traditionally, the one I have to go and warn everybody that he's going to curse a lot, and if they need to, they can leave. And every year I get people who complain because of Garrett, but I also get people who tell me it's the thing that changed life the most. And so I didn't know what to expect with Garrett, as I don't normally know. And this year he came out all in white with a choir, and it was an interesting presentation. He's recently found Christ, which is amazing. And so he came and he did his presentation, where weaving business principles in with God and with Christ, and they had choirs singing, and it was powerful. But at the same time I had people who were offended about that. And anyway, I don't know, I love Garrett, he gets people to move. It doesn't matter which side, him dropping the F-bomb from stage, him talking about God from stage, either way I get complaints. But at the same time, people don't complain, all are just like, "That was the most amazing thing ever." Anyway, so it's always this weird thing. Not a weird thing, it's always an amazing thing, but it's always just this tension for me of just like, "What's going to happen? What's he going to say? How's he going to say it?" Anyway, that was Garrett. And then from there, we broke to lunch, and we had a big welcome lunch for everyone who was a Two Comma Club Member who signed up, which was really, really cool. And then, after lunch we had Tim Ballard who flew out, which was cool, and so we had him to come and say hi to everybody and talk about the Save a Child Challenge that we launched on day number one, and how much money we had raised, and Tim thanked everybody, which was really cool. I hadn't seen him in a while, it was a really good seeing Tim, and him and his team are just... They're amazing, all the things that they're doing. And there's a whole bunch of people talking negative about them online, there's things that are not true. People have asked me, "Is this true? Is this true?" I'm like, "No, this is not true. These people are lying. They're horrible people who literally are trying to get in the way of saving children." It's the most demonic, evil thing in the world, but Tim and his people have such good hearts. They're there saving people from Afghanistan. Tim's running the Nazarene Fund for Glen Beck, which is saving thousands of kids, and plus he's running the whole O.U.R thing, and it's heavy. And you could feel the weight on his back and his shoulders, carrying this mantle. And anyway, I was grateful to be able to have him there, and hopefully give him a little rest, and show him that people love him, and they're grateful for the work he's doing. So that was cool. And then after that, then Tony came and spoke. And Tony, every year, we never really know how long he's going to talk for. Anyway, this year our contract was three hours, but I think it's the first time Tony's been on stage in front of a whole huge group of people as well, and so he went and he did his presentation for three hours, and then he kept talking, and had it going for six hours on stage, which was crazy and super awesome. So we had Tony talk for six hours. Yeah, he's kept going and going, and he just loved it. He asked me, "What time do you think I need to stop?" Like, "Dude, just keep going. People are here, they're happy, don't stop." So Tony went on for six hours, which was awesome." And then when he got done, we got on stage Todd and I, and wrapped the event up, and that was it. And that was Funnel Hacking Live 2021. And every year we're putting things together, it's just like an insurmountable task like, "How do we sell the tickets? How do we get people to show up?" And this year is even bigger because of COVID, and the restrictions, and the problems, and just all the things that come with that. But man, after going through the whole process and I see how many people's lives were changed, people that have their big aha's, the big things they were hoping for, people who were stuck, who got unstuck, people who were able to go to the next step with us to the higher coaching, people who are so excited about ClickFunnels 2.0. Just all the things, and then getting all of our funnel hackers together, and having people together to... The whole thing, it was amazing and magical, and I'm grateful for all of you guys who came and participated. If you didn't come this year, make sure to be here next year. Next year, hopefully, there'll be less chaos in the world. There may be more, I don't know, but regardless, the party's happening, it's going to be in Orlando. And hopefully you can be there. So you can get your tickets at funnelhackinglive.com. But that's some of the behind the scenes. Hopefully helps you guys to see some of the detail people talked about, but even more so, how we structure these things for a maximum sales, maximum impact, all those things. So hope it helps. I appreciate you all, thanks for listening, and we'll talk to you guys all again soon. Bye, everybody.

Today, Russell has fun explaining everything that went on behind the scenes of day two at this year's Funnel Hacking Live event! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- Hey, what's up everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. Today, I'm going to recap some of the cool stuff that happened at Funnel Hacking Live 2021 day number two. All right, so last episode I told you guys some of the cool stuff happening in day number one. I walked you guys through the structure, the outline, the reasoning why we did a lot of those things, and talked about some of the speakers who were amazing. And now I'm going to talk about day number two. So day number two, this is the day where typically we have our mini reveal of something, usually Click Funnels related. Two years ago, it was Funnel Flicks. Other years, it was Actionetics. Other years, it was things like that. And for day two here, we were excited because it was our big reveal day for Click Funnels 2.0. And so everything in this day was tied around that and getting built into the hype and excitement and the energy to release Click Funnels 2.0. And so the day began in the morning, as it normally does, with Trent Shelton, and Trent is such an amazing speaker. And I want him to talk about building a following, but not just a following. If you look at Trent, by hanging out with him privately, it's crazy because he'll spend, I don't know, an hour, hour and a half every single day just responding to all his fans and followers and social media people, which is crazy because his following is not small by any stretch. Most people, myself included, we push things out but we're not really good at communicating and stuff like that. And the reason why Trent's fans are such die-hards is because he's there for me communicating with him. And so we talked about that, but a lot of other amazing things. And it was interesting because Trent, I've only seen him speak from stage a couple of times and he usually does this, what's it called, a spoken word thing. And I didn't ask him to do that, but I was hoping he was going to. And as he got done speaking, he got to the point where his time ran out and I was like, "Ah, dang it. I was really looking forward to that." And then at the very end of his presentation when time ran out he ran up on stage and then also the music started playing and I was like, "Oh, he's going to do it," and he did it and it was amazing. And at the very end of it, he even tied in one funnel away. Oh, it was so cool. I should do a whole podcast episode just playing that spoken word thing that you guys can listen to over and over and over and over and over again. But it was all about making sure that you don't die with things that you wanted to do, the dreams and the aspirations and things like that. Make sure you go and do them now while you can. So, anyway, Trent was amazing as always. After that, we started getting into publishing stuff, and so first was the next speaker was Krista Mashore, who was talking about how she creates ads and videos and drives paid ads to them that aren't so much to sell but they are to build up the relationship with people, and then from there, ideally they'll go and they'll buy stuff from you in number two ad, number three, and things like that. And Krista's got as much energy if not more than me. She speaks faster than me, which is awesome, and she did a great job. After that, McCall Jones came and spoke about charisma hacking. And McCall is one I was really excited for it because last year she showed up at Funnel Hacking Live just as an attendee to support her sister-in-law who was speaking, and then she fell in love with what we all do and created her own movement called Charisma Hacking and it was really cool. And she had developed this whole Charisma Hacking system and process, which was really fascinating to see. She took this thing that was an idea she had a year and a half ago, the first Funnel Hacking Live that she came to, and turned it into an actual science. And so I think not only was her presentation cool, it was just cool to see how each of us have these frameworks or these ideas that we have. But it's, how do you keep developing it and developing it and developing it to make it better and better and better and more clear, more simple? And I didn't really realize how evolved her Charisma Hacking frameworks had become until she shared it with Funnel Hacking Live and I was like, "Oh, these are just so exciting. So cool." Anyway, she crushed it. And so that was all about Charisma Hacking, how do you look at other people who have different types of charisma and how do you model those? Because most of us, me included, I wasn't born this way. I didn't have talent, I didn't know how to speak on stage or do podcasts or any of these things. And a lot of it came from modeling people I look up to and that's what Charisma Hacking is a lot about, it's looking at those things and finding the patterns and finding who you resonate with as you're figuring out your voice and how to speak and how to present and things like that, which is awesome. After McCall spoke, JLD from Entrepreneurs On Fire spoke about podcasting and podcasting for funnels and a whole bunch of cool things like that. He crushed it as always. It's been fun because JLD has been a lot of Funnel Hacking Lives and it was the first time he's actually a chance to speak, and it was awesome to have him on stage. And then to wrap out before lunch, we had Mike and AJ come and do a presentation about a funnel hub. And some people may be wondering, "Didn't they speak last year about funnel hubs?" And the answer is yes, they did. And the reason why I wanted them to speak again, because funnel hubs is a big part of Click Funnels 2.0, and so I wanted to bring back to people's mindset and intention this concept of a funnel hub, which was really, really cool. So Mike and AJ came and spoke on that. And then from there we broke for lunch, and after lunch, we started shifting over more to e-commerce supplements and things like that. So the next speaker, we had a dual speaker, it was Matt and Jason. They are an uncle and nephew or whatever. I think it's one out of every 17 Two Comma Club Awards that goes to them, and so they talked about how they figure out their stuff, because it's interesting. Most people go like, "Oh, I'm excited by blah. I'm going to go build a business around blah," where they're the opposite. They go and they do the market research, figure out what's hot, what are people buying today? And then they figured that out. They figure exactly where they get the traffic from. They're not trying to guess. They know, "This is where we can get traffic. This is what people are buying right now," and then they go and they reverse engineer that. And from there they create products, plug them in and, boom, Two Comma Club Awards over and over and over and over again. It was cool to see their process. I do wish they would have showed a little more. They're secretive about what they do, and I wish they would've shown us their landing pages and stuff. Unfortunately, they didn't, but conceptually they did share their process, which was cool. After that, Braven Grant spoke. He has a bunch of cool supplement funnels. And I had him talk about the difference between funnels and cars, because this is where people get in all sorts of fights in our world. It's like, "Why have the Shopify store? Why have a funnel?" It's like, "Blah, blah, blah," and it's like, "No, you have to understand these two things actually work hand in hand." And one thing that he talked about that was really cool, he talked about when he read the Dotcom Secrets book, he learned about value ladders and back ends and all these things. He was just like, "This doesn't make sense for me because I have a supplement company." And then later he realized, "Oh my gosh, the cart is the back end for supplement companies. The funnel is what you use to acquire a customer profitably and then the cart is where you actually make your profit." And he showed how these two things work together, which was strategic for a couple of reasons. Number one, it's how he has built his businesses as big as he has, which is cool, but he's used Shopify for his carts. But Todd and I were about to reveal Click Funnels 2.0, which actually has shopping carts built in. Spoiler alert. And so after he talked about that, then Todd and I came out and we did the actual big reveal presentation where we had a chance to show people ClickFunnels 2.0, all these things that people won't talk about. Funnel hubs is the key. Everything is based on the funnel hub, and then from there we got our shopping cart. You put in that, and then from there you build out your funnels and it's just thought through differently and it's really, really cool. Todd and I did the big Click Funnels 2.0 reveal and people freaked out. We give everyone beta access for free with a whole bunch of bonuses and challenges, and it's another reason why you need to be a Funnel Hacking Live, because everyone now, literally thousands of people, all my friends, everybody I know, everyone's messaging me, "How do we get ClickFunnels 2.0? I want a free account. How do I sign up?" I'm like, "Oh, well, if you were at Funnel Hacking Live, you'd have one. Otherwise, you don't." So be Funnel Hacking Live. Even to my friends who keep begging me, sorry. Make sure you don't miss the event because we reward people who show up. Yeah, everyone who was there has access to it, kind of. We're doing a drip release and so next month we're going to be releasing funnel hubs and we'll do a challenge with that and let people have access to us so they can see it, they can play with it, they can use it, and then that'll be the first feature. And then, the next month, we'll do courses and we'll unlock the courses and they can do that. And then after that, it opens up the shopping carts and then other things, so on and so forth. That's what's happening there, which is awesome. We had a good time there. Gave everyone these cool T-shirts and stuff when they signed up for free, and I think we signed up almost everyone. Almost 100% of the people at the event signed up for Click Funnels 2.0, which was cool. And then we broke to dinner, and after dinner, normally we do our awards ceremony, the Two Comma Award, on day three, but we decided this time to do them on day number two, partially because it's really brutal on me. Usually, it's day three, I do the awards show, take a picture of 1,000 people, and then from there, then I do my sales presentation. Then after that, we get pictures of everybody who bought. It's the longest day of all time. And so we shifted it around to see if it would work, and it did, which was great. So we did the awards ceremony Tuesday night, gave out Two Comma Club Awards, and I told everyone, I'm like, "After the Two Comma Club Awards, we have a guest. Can't tell you who it is yet, but you're going to freak out. Make sure you show up for it." And so after the awards were done, then our special guest showed up and the special guest was and is Dan Kennedy. And we made the announcement at the Funnel Hacking Live that we actually purchased Dan. I bought Dan Kennedy's company, which is crazy. When I got into this business, that's who I learned from initially. In fact, to this day, he's still who I study the most. But it came up for sale and I thought it'd be a really good marriage and partnership with ClickFunnels. And so we bought his company recently and then we announced it here at the event, and then Dan spoke. And some of you guys know Dan almost died two years ago but, man, he's still sharp as a whip. He was awesome. He used to just get on stage and speak but now he wants someone there to help interview and facilitate. So I got a chance to actually interview him from stage and facilitate, which was insanely cool. This was supposed to go for an hour. We ended up going for over two hours. He was so funny. I think it was the first time he'd been in front of a big stage, big audience like that since he got sick, which was probably four or five years ago now. Anyway, pre-COVID for sure, it was a year or two before that as well. Anyway, it was so cool to hear a lot of the stories I've been hearing for years. I had a chance to ask him the questions and set up for him to tell the story that I knew that I wanted to hear, and that was really special and really cool. And, in fact, some people were just like, "Oh, if I'd have known Dan Kennedy was there, I would have showed up." Yeah, that's why you have to show up, because you have no idea what we're going to do. We're always surprising you guys. We're always making this better and cooler and all sorts of stuff like that. Anyway, that was really special having Dan speak, and then I was going to do another presentation at the end called Followup Funnels, and by that time, it was late, everyone's tired. I'm like, "You know what? I'm not going to do this." But we made this really cool book that basically showed everyone my 64 email sequence or whatever it was. So we gave them the book and I talked about it for two minutes and I was like, "That's it. Let's go to bed," and that was the end of day number two. And so, man, it was magical. The whole thing was just cool. Ending with Dan on stage was amazing. And getting people excited about the ClickFunnels 2.0 and getting them signed up, it was like the perfect day. So, anyway, if you haven't been in Funnel Hacking Live yet in the past, not that I'm trying to sell you on tickets, but you should get your tickets. Next year's going to be even crazier. We're going to be back in Orlando again. We haven't launched a sales video or anything. So tickets are there at a discount at funnelhackinglive.com. That's funnelhackinglive.com. But make sure you get your tickets because we'll sell out. Every year, we've sold out. This year, we've more than doubled as many tickets as we sold last year, which is crazy because last year was our best sales year ever. We're already at almost 2000 tickets sold for next year's event, so if you're thinking about it, you should just go get your ticket because it's going to be gone and you don't want to miss it. Anyway, with that said, that's the recap of day number two and tomorrow's our next episode. I'll share with you guys what happened on day three, day four, and give you guys a little glimpse behind some of the magic that happens with Funnel Hacking Live. Thanks so much, you guys, and we'll talk to you soon. Bye.

Russell goes on a deep dive, explaining all the fun things that went on behind the scenes of the first day of this year's Funnel Hacking Live event! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. It's been a little while since I've talked to you personally. That's not completely true. You guys have been listening to some of the Traffic Secrets episodes over the last few weeks, but right now I'm recording this episode about two weeks after Funnel Hacking Live 2021 is over. And I wanted to share some of the thoughts, some of the behind the scenes, some of the craziness and chaos that happened, and how we pulled off the biggest events since the coronavirus has hit inside of our industry. So with that said, I'll queue up the theme song. When I get back, we'll hang out and talk about the event. All right. So first off for those who came to Funnel Hacking Live that was so much fun. Thank you for coming, for participating, for playing all out. Folks who weren't able to come, but watched from home, thank you as well for participating. I hope you guys enjoyed it. It was really cool. This is our first year ever doing a hybrid where we were going to have people in person and at home. And honestly, I've never told anybody this, but about 30 days before Funnel Hacking Live actually happened, we had to make the decision if it was going to happen. And it's one of those weird meetings where it's like, "Do we do this? Or do we not?" Because COVID numbers are spiking and all sorts of like just the chaos and just all the things that were happening. And we had to basically put down a down payment on Hogwarts because yes, we rented Hogwarts for the inner circle and two comma club winners. And so that was like the drop dead. We have to write a check right now for, I don't know how much it was, quarter million dollars or whatever it was for Hogwarts. "Are we do this or not because there's no way to get this money back if we decide to not do Funnel Hacking Live," and I was like, "Wait, we may not be doing Funnel Hacking Live?" And they're like, "Well, this is the last shot to change it." I'm like, "Ah." So there's all the fear behind that. So finally, I was like, "All right, we're doing it. Put the money down. This is happening." As we got closer to the event, one of my kids got COVID at school and we're like, "Oh no," because I was like, "I don't really care. I'm not too nervous about getting COVID." Other than if I get COVID during the event, like that would be tragic, right? Like everyone's coming to hear me talk about funnels and stuff. And if I'm not there, I can't speak. Or are people can get on stage and get their pictures with me or all the different things. Give their awards on stage and it could have ruined the whole event for so many people who'd put it in life savings for some people to come and travel here and to be part of this thing. I got really, really nervous and so I started doing everything you can dream of to protect myself and my health. I was taking every pill and powder you can dream of. I had my natural path coming and doing I.V. drips throughout the day, so I'm working while I've got bags of stuff, hooked to all my veins and all the chaos to try to make sure that we could stay healthy for the event. We also normally fly commercial there, but I was like, "Anything I can do to minimize my exposure until the event happens the better." So we flew private out there and we got to FHL and we got their day earlier than I normally do, which was actually really nice. A chance to get to see everything and watch things get set up. You could tell there was something about year that was just different. The energy in the hallways. And you saw people was just, you could tell people missed being around each other and missed networking and all that kind of stuff. And so everything started building up towards that. And I remember the night before, so we did our big party at Hogwarts. We took the inner circle members and two comma cup winners and two comma club X-ers and all of our high-end coaching people to Hogwarts and we rented the whole thing out, which was crazy. So we got to be hanging out in Diagon Alley, and ride a Gringotts ride, and then get butter beer and just hang out and network. It was really a really cool special time for, I think everybody. But for me, I had to like leave a little early cause I was like, "I'm still not done with my slides," as Russell normally does. In fact, we brought our two twins. One of them was just like, "Dad, you're still not done with your slides" like this is crazy." I'm like, "I know I just- there's so many of them to do." Anyways, went back home that night and got everything ready. The next day was Funnel Hacking Live day. Those who haven't been to our event before, we don't start till like noon on day one, which gives us the morning to keep getting people registered and just gives me the morning to kind of prepare and make sure that I'm ready. It's scary when you start at nine. That means you have to be up by like six, preparing. Day one, we start at noon, which is really, really nice. And this day one was going to be interesting for a lot of reasons. Number one, it was the first time we had a virtual audience at home plus our normal people in the audience. And so there's kind of that dynamic that we had to kind of figure out at first, but also this year was our Click Funnel seven year birthday. And so I got up of very beginning and talked about entrepreneurship. Excuse me, I have a cough right now. I'm kind of recovering from, from Funnel Hacking Live, honestly. Anyway, and so I did my initial presentation and then I brought Todd out because we had something that we've been secretive and kept secret for the last, over a year now, which is, which is crazy that I kept a secret that long. You guys should be so proud of me. I'm not, I'm not very good at keeping secrets, but we announced that we are about to launch Click Funnels 2.0 and people went crazy. We kind of talked about it a little bit and I said, "You guys want to see a video of people who've actually seen Click Funnels 2.0?" and everyone went crazy as we watched this reveal video of just everybody watching it and freaking out. And it ended. And I was like, "Who here wants to see Click Funnels 2.0?" And they all went crazy and I was like, "Cool, tomorrow's our birthday. And tomorrow we're going to show you all inside everything." And it just like got quietly, just dead, quiet, awkwardly, quiet. I was like, "Oh crap, what do we, what do we do now?" And then I didn't know how to transition. That's when Todd is going to transition off stage and I was going to start the keynote presentation that I was going to give. It was just this weird thing. And I was like, "Okay, well, thanks, Todd." He kind of walks off. I totally messed that part up. And then I turned around and looked the audience and they were all just like, "You're really not going to show it to us right now?" I was like, "No, if I went to my first presentation," excuse me, which was one I was really excited for, it's called advanced funnel audibles. But because of the weird energy, I feel like the energy kind of dropped with my not giving them any info on 2.0 and do that next presentation. And it was the more advanced one. And I was so excited for that one, but I didn't feel like that one nailed it. I don't know when you're on stage. You can, you can feel like which one's like, "This crushed it," and which one's kind of you're like, "That didn't quite go perfect." And so I did the presentation. I think again, it was great, but it just didn't land. The energy wasn't what I wanted when I was sharing that. I wanted that to be my kickoff. So that was kind of one of those things where it's like, I think people understood what I was talking about. Blown away, but the energy just kind of wasn't... Anyway, this is me re-second guessing everything. I want to go back and redo day number one. But after that, then Anthony Trucks came and spoke on identity shifts and he was amazing. I've known him for quite a few years, but it's the first time I'd ever seen him speak in person and he just brought the level of energy and excitement that he brought was amazing. And just talking about his life and how many times he had these identity shifts in his life and how it affected everything and how to actually be able to take your identity and consciously change it, to be able to get the outcome that you're looking for in life. It was really, really cool. So Anthony spoke. After that Kaylin Poland came and spoke, which is exciting, because I wanted her to show how a lot of times people aren't in our industry, in our Click Funnels world, they think, "Oh, why sell physical products?" Or "I sell info products." Or they have a thing that they do. And I was trying to have Caitlin show that, no, you have a customer and you serve that customer. Right? And you do it through all means possible. You can sell them information, or physical products, or supplements, or coaching, or clothing, or whatever, your job is to serve those people. And that's the focal point. So she showed how they'd done that, Lady Boss, and how they've grown this huge company because of it. And that was really, really cool. After that, then we brought Stu McLaren on stage and we were able to give him a check for him and his wife's charity called Village Impact. And that's the group that I go to Kenya with every... Man, almost every year seems like. We're going in March, I believe, as long as it doesn't get canceled. But when we first launched Click Funnels, we set up where every time somebody builds a funnel, we donate a dollar towards the Village Impact and so this year's check was crazy. It's over $200,000, which was so cool and it's going to help so many amazing kids over in Africa. That was really fun. And then we also had a chance to launch a new site we'd built for Operation Underground Railroad called the Save a Child Challenge. And so we launched that at Funnel Hacking Live, which was really, really cool as well. And that was kind of everything before dinner. And then we fed everyone dinner there, because we wanted to keep people close around. And then that night we did workshops. Typically, if you've been to Funnel Hacking Live, in the past we do these round tables and everyone has a chance to be around the round tables, but because of COVID restrictions and stuff, we thought it'd be better to just do breakout rooms kind of. We had four breakout rooms. Jim Edwards went and talked about copywriting and he helped everybody actually build out their customer avatar, which is really cool because it's the foundation of all copy where most people never even do that. So he got them to actually build that out, which was really, really cool. Catherine Jones was back this year again, and she talked about funnels and building funnels and she did an amazing job as well. Rachel Miller came and talked about free traffic, which was really cool. And then Myron Golden talked about sales. And so those four people run these hour long workout workshop rooms. And while I was sitting there, I was supposed to be doing this other presentation that I was really excited for, but I was still kind of bummed about my my earlier presentation. I was like, "I don't want to give this. I just want to go home. I'm so tired. I want to go to bed. It's been such a long, stressful day," and all of a sudden people started filling back in the rooms and I'm like, "Oh man, I got to do this." And so I got on stage and I did my second presentation for the day, which was called Virtual Real Estate Secrets. And for whatever reason, I never know which ones are going to hit or not hit. But for whatever reason, the energy during that presentation nailed it. People were excited, they were on fire. They were just excited about the possibilities. What I was showing them was, I've talked about before on this podcast, but sometimes we talk about trying to build this huge empire. We're going to have tons of followers and fans and all these kind of things, but the reality is there's other ways to make money online too. And I talked about how in real estate you can buy a house and you can flip it. You can buy it and you can rehab it. You can buy it and you can put renters in it. There's all these things you do with real estate and I'm like, you can do the same things with virtual real estate, these little websites, these little funnels. And so I had like probably a dozen examples of little businesses that I've built that are just kind of running on autopilot, my little virtual real estate empire. And I kind of showed those things. And anyway, I think it was really cool because I think a lot of people, it opened their mind like, "Oh my gosh, I could do that. I could do that." And I started helping them just have ideas, of ways that they could get started easily without having to stress about, "What's my message going to be and who are my people," and all the things I think a lot of people get nervous about. So it's like, "Well, don't worry about that right now. Let's just make some small businesses. Make a business cash flows you a hundred bucks or 500 bucks or a thousand bucks." These are really easy to do when you understand the basics, so that was really fun one. And that wrapped up day number one, which was really cool. So anyway, I'm going to do a couple episodes, kind of talking about some of the core things that we did in this event. Throughout I'll also talk about the things we do during the event to help stimulate sales later in the event. Because you guys come to me, you want to learn marketing. So how do we use Funnel Hacking Live? How did we, did we use it to generate well over $10 million from the event? And so I'll talk about some of those things, but it all started on day number one. Day number one, the goal is to blow their minds, get them where like, "Man, if this is all I got this was still worth it." That's the first thing we want people thinking. And then also is helping them understand that there's a vision bigger than you. So you've ever noticed that Funnel Hacking Live day number one, we always have some kind of charity component where they're watching me give money to charity. And then also we're asking them to give money to charity because it helps train people on how does the room work if you're going to give somebody money, where do you go? Like where's the back of the room, where's the table? But also it shows that me and Todd, who are the ones who run this company, run the event like that. That we don't just say this stuff. We practice what we preach. We're donating money. We're giving money. In fact, you'll notice, we'll talk about this later, but on day four, whatever money people give to the Save a Child Challenge, we matched it. We're trying to show that like, "Hey, we also are doing these things too. I'm not asking you to anything that we're not willing to do as well." And so it all kind of starts with that day number one is blowing their minds, making them see that you're doing the same things you're asking them to do and just giving them a really good experience. And that's kind of how the very beginning of Funnel Hacking Live went this year, 2021. So those who were there, if you enjoyed it, please, take a picture of this podcast episode and tag me in it and let me know what your biggest favorite thing was from day number one, there's so many cool speakers, so many cool things. For me, my favorite thing I think was my last presentation, when I did the virtual real estate presentation, I can just feel the energy was perfect. And everyone was so excited. That and also the Initial Launch 2.0. I did the whole teasing thing and everyone's energy dropped. It was still cool to be able to finally talk about this thing that we've been talking about for so long. We were so excited to share with the world. So anyway, there's day number one at Funnel Hacking Live.

Enjoy another awesome episode from the Traffic Secrets book launch podcast. Want your Dream influencers to start promoting you, your business, and your products? It took Russell a decade of relationship building to get some of his biggest influencers. But now he's figured out the FORMULA. You'll learn... Why building a platform is the BEST way to infiltrate your Dream 100. How to choose what TYPE of platform you should build. Why you should publish NEW CONTENT every single day for an entire year. Listen in to learn more! Also, go get your FREE copy of Traffic Secrets here! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- Hey everybody, this is Russell. Welcome back to our fun hangout time in quarantine, every single day. I am trying to set up, I'm sitting in a different spot, so I can actually sit in a chair today, because the last two weeks I've been sitting on the floor and my legs are burning. So we're hanging out a little differently. Hopefully this still works and you guys can all hear me. And right now, we are live on Facebook and Instagram, and I'm excited to be hanging out with you guys today. So, it is Friday. We are a couple of weeks into this whole crazy quarantine now. I think I told you guys, Boise officially got locked down a couple of days ago, which is good for you guys. Means we all get to hang out more often here, and we're going to start sharing more things from the books. And I'm curious, how many guys have had a chance to listen to the entire audiobook? I know that the new Traffic Secrets book doesn't actually ship until May fifth, but the audio book is available. I sat in a theater, or studio actually, for seven days. It took me three days to read the Traffic Secrets book, two days to read the DotCom Secrets, and two days read the Expert Secrets book. I got audiobooks done of all three of the new updated versions, but curious how many guys actually had a chance to listen to the whole thing? I know a bunch of guys were like, "I'm going to buy it. I'm going to get the audio book, and I'm going to listen to the whole thing before tomorrow." So hopefully a bunch of you guys had a chance to listen to it, which would be really fun. So, all right, Chris Baden said, "Me." All right, so, good. If not, it's time to... What are you guys doing? We're sitting around doing nothing anyway. Might as well be listening to sharpen your saw, sharpen your mind, and getting prepared for what's coming next. So, Austin said, "Russell, BJJ or wrestling?" Come on, now. Wrestling is the greatest sport of all time, but BJJ is number two. So, it is good. All right, are you guys excited for today, I'm going to read some more of the book. In fact, we are finishing up section number one today, here inside Traffic Secrets. I'm going to open this thing up. And this is the box set, this is the trilogy. And it's funny, I sent this to Liz Benny, a picture. I'm like, "This is the trilogy." And she's like, "Russell, there's four books. A trilogy only has three." And I was like, "Crap." Well, I'm like, "This is the trilogy, and this is the workbook that goes with the trilogy. So there's four books in a trilogy." I don't know. "Trilogy" sounds cooler. So, there you go. And check this out, if you see the book... Can you guys see the box set? It's really cool. It says, "The Secrets Trilogy by Russell Brunson." On the back, it's got the Dotcom Secrets is the framework, Expert Secrets is the fire, Traffic Secrets is the fuel, and then Unlock Secrets is your playbook. And then this side is a quote, I don't know, it might be backwards for you guys. It says "You're just one funnel away," and then a quote from Garrett White says, "The life you want, the marriage you want, and the family want are going to be fueled by the businesses you build." And so that's kind of what's in the box set. All right. Let's open this up. We're going back in Traffic Secrets. We've been doing this every single day now for almost two weeks, which has been a lot of fun for me. And we're almost to the end. Today we're going to finish up talking about the first section of the book, which is going to be cool. So we've covered a lot of stuff. So section number one in the book is all about... In fact, if you look at the title, section one is called "Your Dream Customer." It's really understanding and mastering your customer. Where are they at? How do we find them? How do we get a hold of them? What are the hooks, the stories, the offers for you to grab their attention, to pull them into your world? Who's already congregated? How do we follow up with those people? All the things we've been talking about. And so, secret number seven is infiltrating the Dream 100. How do you do that? It's going to be really fun. And then next week, we're getting into section number two of the book, which is called "Fill your Funnel." This is now where we started breaking down different networks. We're going to Facebook, Instagram, Google, YouTube, podcasting, and a bunch of other ones. I'll show you guys a pattern of how we dominate all of those. But when you understand the pattern, what's cool about it is we'll give you the ability to dominate anything. Cause you can use this process to dominate TikToks, Twitch, the new platforms coming out next week. Xavier said, "Throwing my wallet on the screen." That's amazing. I love it. I love it. All right. So we're going to Dream 100. So, infiltrating your Dream 100. How do you get into those people? This is the question a lot of people have, cause I've been talking about Dream 100 pretty consistently now for a decade. I tell people, "Build your Dream 100. Go find those people. Network with them, build relationships, get them to promote you." Things like that. And it's funny, because some people hear me say that, and they don't do anything about it. That's the majority of people. Some people hear me, they build the Dream 100 and start contacting, but they never get in with them. They never ask them to do anything. They just kind of start the exercise, but they don't actually finish it. And so this is going to help you guys understand how to finish this exercise. How do you take this Dream 100, and how do you infiltrate it? How do you build relationships? How do you get in with them? So secret number seven, we're on page 104. Those who are following along in your books, which haven't been shipped yet. They ship May fifth though, so you should be getting them about a month from now. You guys should all start getting your books. If you don't have your book yet, or the audiobook, you can go get a free copy at trafficsecrets.com. You just got to cover the shipping, which is not that much money. I think it's under 10 bucks in the U.S., And a little more international. If you go to trafficsecrets.com, you can get it. There's a bunch of amazing videos and you get immediately the bonuses. Plus, the order form bump is the audiobook. So if you want to listen to it this weekend, you can go upgrade your order and get the audiobook, and you can listen to me reading this entire book to you. And yeah, so it's kind of fun. All right. So, infiltrating the Dream 100. So I want to tell you guys a story that I tell in the book. How many of you guys remember the Arsenio Hall Show? How many of you guys are old enough? I turn 40 this year. So, old enough to remember that Arsenio Hall Show. He's the late-night "Who, who." That's Arsenio Hall, right? Now, I remember when I was growing up, my parents would not let me watch the Arsenio Hall Show for whatever reason. I think it was cause it was late-night. But my friend's parents let him watch it all the time. So he'd always talk about it, and he was always doing that thing. And so, I remember he would tell me stories and I always wanted to watch it. I never did, until one night, we had a sleepover at his house and I got to watch the Arsenio Hall Show. It was so cool, because he would run out, and he does this "Who, who, who," and everyone's excited. He's interviewing people, and they're funny people. And it was just this really cool thing. And what's interesting is, I started doing... Oh, actually, this was really funny. After we saw that, that became our thing. That was Arsenio Hall's thing, but that became our thing. We were playing basketball, we'd dunk on someone. We'd play football, catch a touchdown, and like, "Who, who." It became all of our things, right? Oh, someone said that their aunt worked on the show. How cool is that? All right. So, Arsenio Hall Show, at the peak of it, in fact, in June 1992, Bill Clinton, who was running for president at the time, came on the Arsenio Hall Show, played the saxophone. He played the song Heartbreak Hotel, and many people said that one of the main... Not the main reason, but a big reason why President Clinton won the election is because the people who watched Arsenio Hall Show. They said it helped build his popularity among minority and younger voters, which is one of the main... Not main, but one of the major reasons why he won the election. Which is very interesting, right? Anyway, so then two years after that, Arsenio Hall Show gets canceled, right? And then how many guys have heard of Arsenio Hall since then? No one has, right? He disappeared off the face of the planet. What happened? Until a couple years ago in 2012... I can't believe it was 2012. That was really 10 years ago? I don't know what year we're in right now. In quarantine time, I don't remember what year we're in. Anyway, 2012, we're watching Celebrity Apprentice, cause that's what we do. And all of a sudden, Arsenio Hall is one of the contestants on Celebrity Apprentice. Which we're like, "This is amazing," right? So we're watching this whole thing and there was something interesting that happened. So they do different fundraisers on Celebrity Apprentice, things are happening. And then one of the episodes was a fundraiser. And so all the contestants jump on the phone, they're calling all their friends, everyone they know, they're trying to raise money, right? And every single one of the celebrities get on the phone and raise money. Somebody raise 30 grand, some raise hundreds of thousands. Everyone's got different levels of it. A couple of people raised half a million or something. Everybody raised money, except for one contestant. Can you guess which contestant that was? The only contestant that raised not even a penny was Arsenio Hall. And you see the scene, he's on the phone with his address book, and he's calling person after person after person, nobody will return his call. He's like, "Why is nobody returning my calls?" And then at the very end, they tally up, and he's the only one that doesn't get any money. And they showed us a little clip of him in the boardroom or whatever, talking to the camera. And he's all frustrated. And he just looks at it, and he says, "You know what?" He said, "When I had my own show, everybody returned my call." Boom. Okay? Now, most people missed that. But for me, it rang in my head like a bell. When Arsenio Hall had a show, he had a platform. He was able to call anyone on earth, including Bill Clinton, who was currently running for president and say, "Do you want to be on my show, man?" And the next day, Bill Clinton's on his show, playing saxophone, right? He loses his show, loses his platform. No one returns his call. People ask me, "Russell, how in the world did you get in with Tony Robbins and Dean Grasiozi, and all these people?" And I would love to think that the reason why I got in with all these guys is because I'm so nice, or charismatic, or maybe think my haircut's cool, or whatever. Right? And as much as I wish that was the truth, I know, I'm fully aware that the reason why I was able to get into my Dream 100 is because the thing that I have to offer them is my platform. That is what I have to offer people. So when I met Tony, I'm like, "Hey Tony, I've got a whole bunch of entrepreneurs that follow me. Can I interview you? Can I get to know you? Can I..." I met Dean, "Hey Dean, I want to help promote you. Hey Dean, do you want to be on my show? Hey..." And you can name off all the people in my Dream 100, everyone I've tried to get, my platform is the thing that I had to offer my Dream 100. It's the tangible thing that I own, that I control, that provides value to people who are three, or four, or five levels above me. Right? And so, for you, the question is, you're building this Dream 100, and then how are you going to approach them? Like, "Hey, Dream 100, can you do this thing for me? Can you do this thing?" They're going to say "no," right? They have enough things happening in their lives. The thing you have to offer them is your platform, but you've got to have a platform. Right? And so that's this whole secret number seven is about, is building up your platform. So what does your platform look like? Well, for everyone it's going to be different. Some of you guys... In fact, I'm going to do a poll right here. How many of you guys right now who are listening to this love to write? Like, "I love writing. If I could just write all day, I'd be the happiest person in the world." Okay. If you are someone who loves to write, the platform you need to be building is you need to be starting a blog. You should be writing. How many of you guys are like, "Writing sounds like the worst thing on planet earth. I do not want to write ever, but I love to talk." Right? Okay. Maybe for you, you should be starting a podcast. That's the platform. You love talking and speaking, that should be your thing. How many of you guys are like, "I like writing, podcasting, but I love being on video. I want people to see my face. I want them to see my excitement. Oh, this is amazing." For those, you guys should be starting a video channel, a vlog, a YouTube channel, or Instagram, or Facebook, or somewhere. You got to find the spot that you're the most comfortable. Okay? Because if you're not comfortable, you're not going to be consistent with it. That's number one, figuring out, where do you want to build your platform at? Right? And then, you've got to start actually growing it. Okay? And I have a whole bunch of stuff here, I wish I could read all of it to you. Starting on page 112, it's like, how do you find your voice? Because when you first start your own show, it's scary, right? How do you know how to talk? If you listen to the first 40 plus episodes of my podcast, they were really bad. I was shy and awkward, nervous. And people are like, "Russell, you seem like such a natural communicator. How did you become so natural at it?" I became natural because I published 800 episodes of my podcast consistently three to five times a week, every single day for the last eight years. Okay? And I've been on Facebook Live hundreds of times. And I've been on tons of other… I sound natural because I've done it a lot. I found my voice and I continue to try to develop it and make it better. But it's consistency. Okay? Before any of you guys saw me up here talking to you, it was a decade of me putting in the time and the effort of publishing, and finding my voice, and doing it over and over and over again. And so what I want to recommend for all of you guys is you need to pick a platform, whatever one it is, especially now, especially during times when everyone's stressing out. This is your shot, your chance to step up as the leader that your people are looking for, and start talking. Start sharing. Start giving faith and hope and a brighter future for your people. Now is the time. So I want to challenge you guys to figure out... If you're a writer, you're starting a blog, and I would recommend going to medium.com, starting a blog there. If you're a speaker, you're going to start a podcast. If you like video, you can start a video vlog. And I don't care if it's on Facebook Live, YouTube Live, I don't care. Pick a platform and stick with it. And then, I challenge you to publish every single day for the next year. Starting today. Not mañana, starting today. I want you to publish every single day for an entire year. Okay? And at first you're like, "I don't have stuff to talk about for entire year." I get it. Okay? But what's magic is that you start speaking, more things will come to you. Okay? As you open up your mouth, the Lord will bless you with more ideas, more inspiration, more things. As you share, as you give, as you're helping other people, more stuff will come to you. So it's very important to understand that. Okay? So you got to publish every single day for at least a year. And the reason why we do this is a couple of things. Number one, at first, you are going to be very, very bad. Okay? So you need to start publishing to be able to find your voice, this is the big part of it. If you don't start publishing now, you will never find your voice. The reason I'm good today is because eight years ago, I started publishing every single day. Okay? So you start publishing to find your voice. And first you're like, "Oh, but no one's listening to me." That's good. Cause you suck right now. So it's okay that no one's listening to you. You shouldn't worry about it. Now's the time for you to find your voice and learn how to actually speak and figure out what people actually want to hear. Number two... So number one is for you to find your voice. Number two is you have to publish long enough for people to find you. Okay? Number one, you're finding your voice. Number two, it's you're publishing long enough for them to find you. And there's a really cool blog post that my buddy, Nathan Barry, wrote on his blog. It's called Endure Long Enough to Get Noticed. I'm going to read it, cause it's one of the most powerful things I could possibly share for you guys. He said, "How many great TV shows have you discovered in season three or later? I started watching Game of Thrones after they had released five seasons. Pat Flynn had released at least 100 episodes of his podcast before I even knew it existed. I discovered Hardcore History years after Dan Carlin started producing it. This is such a common experience. There's so much content being produced that we can't possibly discover it all. So instead, we wait for the best content to float to the surface after time. If step number one in building an audience is to create great content, step number two is to endure long enough to get it noticed. Seth Godin is very generous with his time and will appear in almost any relevant podcast, but you have to have recorded at least 100 episodes first. His filter is creators who have shown they're willing to show up consistently for a long time." Oh, oh, this is so good. Do you guys get this? All right. So step number one, you're doing this, publishing everyday for a year on your chosen platform. I don't care what it is. Okay? Number one reason is for you to find your voice. At first, no one is going to be listening and you're going to suck at it, and that's okay. That's the plan. That's the process. Okay? Number two is you're doing it so that your audience can find you. If you just published three episodes, they're never going to find you. You publish 100, they're going to start finding you. You publish every day for a year, you'll have endured long enough that your people will start finding you. Okay, when I launched my first podcast, it was called Marketing in your Car. And I did the same exercise I'm asking you. I was like, "What am I going to be most comfortable with? What can I be most consistent with?" I was like, "If I do an interview show, I have to have microphones and stuff. I'll never do it because it will be too hard." But I was like, "I'm in my car every day for 10 minutes. I'm just going to record a podcast while I'm driving." So I called it Marketing in your Car podcast. And I knew I'm going to be consistent, and do it at least three times a week, and maybe more. And I had days where I did it every single day. And I did it for years. Now, I was lucky at the beginning. I didn't know how to check my stats. So because of that, I never checked my stats. And so what's amazing is, I think I was three years into publishing my podcast before I learned how to find out if people were actually listening. And I am so grateful I never knew. Cause if I had known that the first 40, 50, 60 episodes had 10 listens each, I probably wouldn't have kept doing it, if I'm completely honest. But now I've done this many. Every episode that I publish gets tens of thousands of downloads. Okay? But I had to keep doing it consistently for long enough for my people to find me. And I do it consistently long enough to find my voice. And so that's the secret to Dream 100. And then, when you have your own platform, now you can go to these people who are your Dream 100, and be like, "Hey, I've got a podcast. Yu want to be on it? Hey, I got a YouTube show. You want to be on it? Hey..." And now you have something of value to provide to them. That's the thing you have to provide your Dream 100 is your platform. That is the big secret. And some of you guys are like, "Russell, do I have to publish if I'm going to get Traffic Secrets?" You don't have to. There's a lot of ways to drive traffic. But I promise you, this will make a very holistic traffic. It gives you the ability to find your voice. It gives you the ability to infiltrate your Dream 100, to build the relationships with people you didn't have the ability to before. In fact, as you read this, it's... This is your journey, right? In your podcast, you're documenting your journey of the result you're trying to get for yourself. And here, you're telling your story along the way. I wish I could go on for two days about this alone. But my job is, I'm documenting my journey. Every single podcast, I'm telling my story. I'm talking about what I'm learning today, where I'm going, what I'm trying to figure out, as you're doing this journey to get a certain result for yourself. So don't think, "I'll start my podcast after I figure it out." No, you start today. Figure out what's the result you're trying to get for yourself. Okay? And then document your journey along the way. Every episode is a documentation. Then, in between here, this is your Dream 100. You're pulling people in and you're interviewing them. You're pulling them in, you're interviewing them, and you're building relationships. You have a chance to interview someone for 30 minutes or an hour on your podcast, on your show, on your video, you build the relationship with your Dream 100 you can't get in any other way. Okay? It opens up so many doors, so many gates, and that is the big secret. So infiltrating your Dream 100, you guys, it all starts with building out your own show. I wish that I could just fly to your house and force you to do it. Most of you won't, but the ones who do are the ones who are going to thrive during this time of economic uncertainty, okay? Your people are waiting for you. They're waiting for your voice. They're waiting for your guidance, your leadership. And unless you start doing it, they're never going to find you. And so they always say... This is an old Chinese proverb. "The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is right now." So, today. This is the time you guys. You're sitting around and you're in quarantine. You got a whole weekend to figure it out. Figure out, how do we blog? It's easy. You go to medium.com, create an account. Boom. You can start blogging today. Okay? "I don't know how to start a podcast." There's an app called anchor.fm, I think. It's free or five bucks on your phone. You download it. Boom. You can be podcasting today. Okay? A video, I went to Facebook, I put "Go Live." Boom. I'm live. YouTube, same thing. You don't have to wait. Now is the time. Start publishing, start finding your voice, document your journey towards something that you're trying to create, something you're trying to learn, and just share what you're doing. You don't have to make things highly-produced. You're just talking and telling your stories and what you're learning along the way. And as you do that, two things will happen. Number one, you will find your voice. And number two, you endure long enough that your people will be able to find you. All right, guys, I got to bounce, cause I've got an interview with one of my Dream 100 starting two minutes. Yes, I practice what I preach. So I got to jump off here. If you don't have a copy of your book yet, go to trafficsecrets.com and get it. The hardbounds don't ship till May fifth, but the audiobook is available right now. So go and get it. I highly recommend get the order form bump, which is the audiobook. You can listen, for seven hours, me read this entire book to you. So by this time on Monday, when we're hanging out again, you can have this whole book in your brain and done. All right, I have to go, guys. I start in one minute. Appreciate you all. Thanks for everything, you guys. Start publishing. Now is the time. Your people are waiting for you. Let's go. All right. Thanks, you guys. Talk soon.

Enjoy another awesome episode from the Traffic Secrets book launch podcast. Want FULL ACCESS to your dream customers? What if you didn't need permission from Facebook or Google to talk to your dream customers? On this episode, you'll learn... Why your email list should be your NUMBER ONE growth metric. How Russell made his first $70 by building an email list illegally. How to convert ANY website visitor into traffic that you OWN and never have to pay for again. Listen in to learn more! Also, go get your FREE copy of Traffic Secrets here! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody. This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to our chance every day where we get to hangout and talk about traffic and funnels and all of the fun things. Excited to be with you guys here today. It's actually kind of cool be in this whole quarantine thing. Where outside everything looks normal and it's this weird, eerie feeling. But then inside we can hangout and be with our family, our friends, we can go live, we can share thoughts, ideas. I think this has been a really cool time for so many people to start sharpening their saw, and starting to get smarter and better about what they're doing and why their doing it and how they're doing it and all kind of stuff. So I'm excited to be here with you guys today. We're going to be talking more about traffic secrets. Today we're going to be covering the third type of traffic. Yesterday we talked about the first two types of traffic. Traffic that you control, traffic that you earned and then today we're talking about the third type, which is traffic that you... you guys know what it is? Traffic that you own. That's the best kind of traffic. So we're going to be going to that in here a few seconds. But while we're waiting for everybody to jump on and get here, I want to make sure you guys know that we're in the middle of the traffic series book launch, which is kind of fun. We've been selling books like crazy. This is the highest numbering funnel we've done so far. So for my funnel hackers, if you're going through the funnel make sure to buy slowly and watch the process and see what's happening and why it's happening because it's doing really, really well. You can go to trafficsecrets.com. This is it right here. There's the video. In fact, you watch the video, I'm very proud of the video, hopefully you'll learn some stuff just from watching that. You can see the offers, you can buy the book for free, just cover shipping and handling, it's 9.95 shipping in the U.S., a little bit more internationally, but you can go get that there. Scroll down you can see the sales pitch. This is a chance, look at what I'm doing, you guys. I spent two years writing the book and about the same amount of time brainstorming this funnel and getting it live and ready. It is over 20,000 books sold and it's kept a $63 average cart value, which is insane. Especially knowing that a lot of you guys are my funnel hackers. You're like, "I bough the book six times. I want to get everybody's bonuses." With that said, to be able to keep the average cart value that high I would say the real average cart value, if I were to pull out all the duplicates, the average is probably 80 plus dollars, which is insane. Most book funnels are 20 to 30 bucks max. The funnels are awesome, so make sure to go watch it, buy slowly, learn some stuff while you're doing it. You just go to trafficsecrets.com. For those of you that are extra bored, especially if you're bored with your kids, right here is funnelflix.com. And if you go to funnelflix.com, you can get a free premiere week. Which basically you go in there, and you get a bunch of video for free. Including the very first one, which is from, I don't know if you can see it right there, that is Frank Kern... this is Frank Kern right here. He spoke at Funnel Hacking Live. Nobody knew he was coming, we kept it a surprise and he came out and people lost their mind. Frank is one of the original OGs. When I was learning internet marketing, Frank was one of the dudes teaching it. You can actually go and literally go watch his presentation online for free, bunch of other ones as well. Julius, I hear he's got 5,000,000 followers on Instagram. He walks you how he does it, how he did it. You get that one for free. You get one from me for free. Anyway if you go to funnelflix.com you get Funnel Flix premiere week for free. Then if you go over here to trafficsecrets.com, you get Traffic Secrets for free. So anyway, that's what's happening. All right with that said, you guys, we got a full audience between Instagram we're about 160 people, Facebook we're at 155-ish, so we've got 300 people here. We can start this party and get started and it should be fun. Lionel said, "I think I found my ADD community." Yes, welcome to the ADD-nis. All right. Okay, so today we're talking again about Traffic Secrets. If you don't have your free copy of the book, go to trafficsecrets.com. And this is the box set with all the books. If you don't know anything about me, these are the books I've written. Dotcom Secrets is the first book. This is the new updated hardbound version. This is Expert Secrets is the second book. And Traffic Seekers is the third and final book in the trilogy. And Unlock the Secrets is this amazing workbook that goes with all of these books here. It's kind of fun. Anyhoo, let me pull out book number one. All right, the Traffic Secrets book. So here we go, Traffic Secrets. Today we're going to be going into one of the secrets. Brian saying, "How do you get the box set?" The box set is not for sale right now unless after you get the Traffic Secrets book the upsale may or may not be the box set. This is all pre-order, these aren't shipped till May 5th. But the audio books are available today. I spent three days in the studio reading the Traffic Secrets book. It's a seven hour audio, you can go and get that. It's for the order form bump. You can grab that, plug it in and start listening, which is kind of cool. Also, we've got the audio books of the Dotcom Expert Secrets new update as well as part of the sales funnel. If you go through the funnel, you'll see all the cool stuff. So you just got to go to trafficsecrets.com and slowly today go through the funnel and have some fun with it. Reesio said, "How is my quarantine?" It's been good. We're having a good time. I think I'm driving my kids crazy sometimes, they're driving me crazy sometimes, but as a whole, we're doing really good. Thank you for asking. All right, hope you guys are all doing as well, good as well. My job for the next 25 minutes or so is to entertain you, get you excited, inspire you, open your mind to how to get traffic. What you do with traffic, how it all works. I've been doing these live on Instagram and Facebook every day for the last two weeks, so if you missed any of them feel free to go back there. We may or may not also be launching a Traffic Secrets podcast that'll have the recordings of these too. That may be live in the next day or so, I'll let you guys know and then you can start listening in there as well, which will be kind of cool. All right, here we go, Traffic Secrets. So what we covered so far. Section number one is all about your dream customer. Secret One we figure out who's your dream customer. We talked about figuring out and understanding them at a deep level. Figuring out are they moving towards pleasure or away from pain? What's interesting in this market today, I think two weeks ago a majority of customers were moving towards pleasure. Which meant your ads, your advertising is all focused on grabbing people or trying to move towards pleasure. Over the last two weeks, people are in pain and they're now in a state where they're moving away from pain. Looking at that lens, most of our advertising and marketing should be shifting from speaking to them moving towards pleasure to speaking to them moving away from pain. So there's a little hint from Section number one. We also talked about the difference between a searcher and a scroller. What advertising networks people are searching, which ones they're scrolling and how you differentiate your ads and your landing pages and everything based on if they're a searcher or a scroller, the pros and the cons. That was all secret number one. Number two we talked about now you know who they are. Where are they hiding? Where are they congregating? We've got to find those pockets of our dream customers so we can go and target them. We also talked about then who's already congregated and who are our dream 100? And we built the list of our dream 100. After that, secret number three, we talked about hook story offer. How do we throw our hooks in the water to grab their attention and we tell the story to increase perceived value of what it is we're selling them and then how we make them an offer. And secret number four. Yesterday we talked about with your dream 100 how do you work your way in and how do you buy your way in? And that's what brings us today. Today we're talking about secret number five, which is traffic that you own. So I'm going to jump right there, we're going to go through that. This is the best type of traffic of all the types of traffic that are out there. So many things I have to gloss through because this book is super huge and I can't just cover every... make sure you still get the book and read it because there's so many things, like in here, just in the last chapter, I walk through five of our front end funnels. I'll show you the stats, numbers, every single funnel, how it works. I talk about how much you spend on traffic, how much on ads. I give you very detailed numbers. It's like six pages of the numbers of the funnel that you can get inside the book and look at and say, okay, here's the product. How much is it sold for? Here's the order form bump. Here's the commissions, the percentages, here's how it all worked. I breakdown every funnel in great detail. Those are all things I can't do on a live like this that you get inside the book. Okay. Secret number five, traffic that you own. So if you look at the image here, you can see here is the dream 100, right. If you've done this exercise with me over the last couple days, here's Facebook, here's all the people that have already congregated my dream customers on Facebook. Here's Instagram, here's a lot of people that have already congregated in my dream customers Instagram. On Facebook, on YouTube, on Google, we find those people, we have our dream 100 list. Now we're trying to figure out from yesterday how do I work my way in and how do I buy my way into these audiences, okay? Because that's where are traffic's already at, we're just trying to work out way and buy our way in into the audiences. And then from there, this is what this whole secret's about: Traffic v. Yield. So all the time we're getting traffic, our goal's not to get traffic to sell products, our goal is to get traffic where we're either getting traffic that we've earned or traffic we control and we're converting it into traffic that we own. That's the big secret, okay. So, for example, traffic that I earn. If I'm earning traffic, it means I'm going out and I'm working for it, right. I'm getting on podcast interviews, I'm doing Facebook lives with people. I'm getting somebody to promote my product for me. This is stuff I'm not paying for, but I'm earning it, I'm putting in the time and the energy and the effort, okay. Traffic I control is I go to Facebook, right. And I don't own Facebook ads, right? Mark Zuckerberg, he owns all that traffic on Facebook, but he allows me and you to go to him and say, "Hey, I want to control some of that traffic. I will pay you if you let me divert some of that traffic from Facebook over into my funnel," okay? It's the traffic you control. There's traffic that I earn, I'm working my way in. There's traffic that I control, where I'm buying my way in. Now the goal of both those traffic sources is not just to sell a product. This is where most people get it wrong. This is the very shortsightedness of almost all entrepreneurs. They're like, "Oh, cool, I bought traffic from Facebook. I'm going to sell my product." Yes, that's part of the goal, but the bigger goal, the overarching strategy is to convert traffic that you earn and traffic that you control into traffic that you own. When you own traffic, you own your own destiny, right? If Facebook shutdown tomorrow, I'd be okay because I have an email list of, I don't know, one and a half to almost 2,000,000 people. So I own that traffic. Any day I can wake up like, "I want to send traffic to this." I can send an email and, boom, traffic goes there. I launch a new book, I want to send traffic here. Because I own that traffic, I own this ball of traffic, I can send it to this page or this page or that page. I can send it wherever I want because I own that traffic, okay? So all the other things I'm doing, all the other exercises of buying ads and working my way into doing podcast interviews and all those things, the only goal of those things is to convert the traffic that I'm controlling and then buying, or that I'm earning and controlling, into traffic that I own, because then I control my own destiny. For me, for the last few years, I've been working on that. For the last decade and a half I've been building my list, building my following, it's traffic that I own now. Even if Facebook disappears, if Google goes away tomorrow, I'm still going to be in business because I own traffic, okay? And that's the mindset shift of what you guys are all having, that you need to understand that you want to be able to own that traffic, okay? So that's what this whole secret's about, owning traffic. When I first kind of started understanding this, let's see... When I first started understanding this, it was back early in my journey. One of my first mentors was a guy named Mark Joiner. Some of you guys know Mark, he's amazing. He's the one who kept telling me, "Russ, we have to focus on building a list, building a list, that's the secret to internet marketing. Building a list, building a list." And I remember at the time there were all these people that were doing different ways to make money. And I was so grateful that my first mentor told me, "You have to build lists, you have to build lists," because that thing has saved me now for a decade and a half. During the ups and downs of the trials of my business and the safe parts of my business. Having a list has helped me to endure. The people who have email lists right now, are the ones who are going to thrive during this whole crazy recession and depression, whatever ends up happening. I don't even know what's going to happen. But those people are surviving because they're prepared for that, right? It's very important to understand that. Let's see. There's so many things I could share with you guys. Just get the book and read it, it's so good! Anyway. Okay. Oh, there's a story in here, but the story's four pages long. Part of me wants to read it, and part of me is like if I read that I'd lose half of you guys. I'll tell you the gist of the story and I'll read one part of it. So this was the day that I learned about list-building, the day it really got sunk in my head. I was like, "Oh my gosh, I need an email list," right? In fact, I told this story yesterday on an interview with Jim Edwards, it was kind of fun. All right, when I first started learning about this whole game of internet marketing, I started hearing people talk about email list. I remember reading and article online and it was about... sometimes you hear about the gurus and they make $30,000 in a weekend and you think it's scam, right? And the guy's like, "No, it's not a scam. Let me explain how this whole thing works." And he explained, he said, "The gurus, whatever you want to call them, they have an email list of maybe 10,000 people, or 30, or a 100,000 people." He said, "All they do is an email out to a 100,000 people and if they send an email to a 100,000 people and they get 10,000 people who actually go and sign up for the thing," right. "Say you send an email to 100,000 people, 10,000 people open the email, 5,000 click through to the thing, and then 500 of those people actually buy the product and let's say it's a $20 product, you just made 10 grand or 30 grand, whatever the math is," right. And he's just like, "It's just a numbers game." He said, "The reason why these gurus make a ton of money is because they spent the last X amount of time building up these huge email lists, right, traffic that they own." And when I read that I was like, "Oh my gosh," it was the epiphany and all of a sudden I understood." I was like, "I need my own email list." I didn't know how to get an email list. So the first thing I did was I jumped on Mr. Google. I said, "How do you get an email list?" And I started searching around and within a few minutes I found this website. I can't remember the domain exactly, I think it was spam for emailaddresses.com. I was like, "Sweet, that's what I need, spam for email addresses." So I went and there was some DVDs where you could buy a DVD with a 100,000 email addresses, one with 500,000, one with a 1,000,000. I'm like, "Well, if I'm going to get an email list, I want a 1,000,000." So I spent 70 bucks and bought a DVD with a million email addresses on it. I waited for it to get sent to me, I get this thing with 70,000,000 email addresses. I'm like, "I'm going to be rich." I'm doing the math in my head. Send an email to a 1,000,000 people, if I get a 100,000 to open, 10,000 to click, 5,000 to buy the thing times $20. If I could send an email every single day, I'm going to be rich. I'm doing the math in my head, I'm trying to explain to my wife, we'd just gotten married at the time. "You can literally quit your job tomorrow. We are going to be rich. I figured out the secret of internet marketing. This is going to be so easy." So I took this DVD, and back then the way we sent emails was different. It wasn't through an email auto responder, you had to buy desktop software. So I bought the software, I put it on my desktop and I uploaded the DVD with a 100,000,000 people's email addresses. I wrote an email and I remember that night, about to go to bed. And you have to remember this was almost 15 years ago. It was, no, probably 16-17 years ago. Anyway, it was before we have high speed internet, before we had cell phones, things like that. If you remember the internet back then, usually you had one phone line and it was your phone or your modem. So I had to crawl under my desk, unplug the phone and plug in my modem, get online. I remember that night writing an email, clicking send and then telling my wife I was like, "We'll be rich by morning. You can literally quit your job tomorrow." And I remember sitting there watching the email software, boom, one email sent, two emails sent, three, four. I'm like, "Oh, this is amazing!" I go to bed that night and I'm like a kid at Christmas time, laying there in bed thinking about it. Every couple of hours I get out of bed and run in, move the mouse to get my screensaver off and 600 sent, 800 sent, 2000 sent. I'm just freaking out, right? So finally the next morning I wake up, my wife's getting ready for work, I'm getting ready for school. And I sneak back in the room where the computer's at, I look at it. And overnight we'd sent, I think we'd sent 6500 emails or something like that during the night. And I was like, "Dang it, I thought I was going to send a million overnight. It's going way slower than I thought." Then Colette was like, "I need to use the phone." I'm like, "You have to use the phone? You don't understand, we're printing cash right now, we cannot use the phone." She's like, "I have to use the phone. I have to call someone at work." So I crawl under the desk, I go and unplug the modem, I plug back in the phone and as soon as I plug it in, I'm still under the desk, I hear the phone ring, brrg. I get out, I pick up the phone and on the other end was my internet service provider yelling at me and screaming at me and cursing me out. Telling me how many spam complaints that they got in the last four or five hours. They're shutting me down and they're going to potentially file a lawsuit and all this stuff. I just like, oh, crap, and I totally freaked out. Finally, the guy hangs up on me, shuts off my internet. I hang up the phone and Colette's like, "Who's that on the phone?" I'm like, "Uh, nobody. Oh, and by the way, please don't quit today. Just wait it out a couple days." She kind of laughs at me. Anyway, she goes to work and that day I'm kind of bummed out. I'm licking my wounds and I go and I put my backpack on and I'm walking to school. I get to school and I'm super bummed out because I lost internet. I can't even check my email, I've no internet right now. I go into the computer lab at school and I check my emails. I said I felt like, "I wonder if anybody bought anything?" So I logged into my PayPal account like I did many times prior, and every time I logged into PayPal in the past, there's always a big zero on top. How much money did you make? Zero dollars. I'm like, "Ah." And I logged in this time and guess what? It didn't say zero. First time ever, it said 70. I was like, "What?" I was like, "I made 70 bucks." The way I did it apparently was illegal, but I did it, I made 70 bucks. This actually works! And it was the proof I needed. This whole thing actually works. This whole idea of having a list works. I did it the wrong way, but there's got to be a right way to do this. So it started me on this journey of I have to figure out the legitimate way to build the email list because other people are doing it. I got a little taste of it, I made 70 bucks the wrong way so I got to figure out the right way. So I started this journey of I have to learn how to build a list, have to learn how to build the list. That became my obsession for the next decade of my life and it's still an obsession today, which is why I have a big email list, because I focus on it. In fact, every single day we have a company-wide meeting. We call it the Click Funnels Pulse Meeting. And one of the stats we share every single day is how many people joined our list yesterday? That's the number we're looking at. It's a metric, it's a KPI in our company. How many people today joined your list? It was interesting for all of you guys who are watching this, if you're not looking at that metric daily, your list probably isn't growing. I've seen some people who have a business, they'll grow a list and they get 10,000, 20,000, 30,000 people on the list and then they stop and go, "Oh, I got a list." And they send emails to the list and they're making money so their fine. But what happens is that list will start to atrophy over time, get smaller, smaller and eventually your business just disappears and dies. Your focus point is you need to consistently, continually always be building your list. That should be the number one metric. You wake up every morning, how many people joined my list yesterday? How many joined yesterday? I remember the first time I got that, one of my friends, Dagen Smith, he told me that. He asked me, "How many people a day join your email list?" I'm like, "I don't know." He's like, "You don't know that number?" "I mean people are joining, but I don't look at that." He's like, "Dude, what you watch, what you measure grows." And so I was like, "Okay. I'm going to start looking it." I started looking at it. I remember at the time there's probably 60-70 people a day joining my list, and so I started watching it. And what's crazy is I started looking at the numbers every single day, it started making me upset in my head. "Ah, only 70 people." Then your subconscious mind starts looking for ways. "Well, how do I make this bigger? How do I make it bigger?" As I'm sitting there thinking how to make it bigger, new ideas pop in my head. Then I morph from 70 a day to 100 a day to a 150 a day, and 500 a day to a 1,000 a day, to 2,000 a day. And it became the focal point of my business. For all you guys, when you start getting this book, that's what I talk about. All the things you're doing, from traffic you control, the traffic you're buying, the traffic that you're earning, the goal of all that traffic is just to convert into traffic that you own, which is your list. Your list is the key. If you look at, "What's the biggest secret of the Russ Brunson's internet marketing?" Your list is the key. You need to be building your list. That's the big aha, okay? You have to understand that. All the things I'm doing, from Facebook live to videos, to podcast interviews, to buying ads, the goal of all the thing is to build my list. And the key metric, the KPI I look at every single day, the most important one of my business for me, is how many people today joined my list? Okay. So all you guys need to be focusing on that. That's the big thing. Someone said, "What software do you use?" I use this weird software called Click Funnels. Click Funnels builds my list, it does everything. All right. That's the big thing to understand. Okay. So there's my little tangent, the way to understand, it's the traffic that you own, okay? And I told you that story already. When I'm doing all this stuff, when I'm buying ads, when I'm earning traffic, the goal of both of those is to get into traffic that I own, right? So when I'm on a podcast interview, I'm doing a podcast and I'm earning traffic while I'm there and being interviewed. At the end of it what do I say? At the end of it I'm like, "Hey, by the way, I got this cool new book called Traffic Secrets. Go to trafficsecrets.com to get a free copy." People go to trafficsecrets.com, they click on the button, they put in their what? Email address. Then what happens? They join my list. Oh. That's the goal. If I do the podcast interviews, not just do an interview. I do an interview the interview's not like that's okay. Yeah, I want to sell copies of the book, but the only reason I'm trying to sell copies of the book is I want you on my email list because that's the game, okay? Hopefully, that helps you understand that. So all the traffic you're buying, all the traffic your earning is all going into one spot where you can build an email list because that's the secret of internet marketing. If you look at these, some of you guys have already seen this. This is one of my squeeze pages, okay. If you go to marketingsecrets.com/blackbook, this is one. This lead page alone has generated over 300,000 leads for me. 300,000 leads, okay, boom. This is where my book funnels. The goal of it is to get somebody to join the email list. I'm sending people from all these places to spots. You notice that every page I send somebody to, like right now I sent you to trafficsecrets.com. When you go there, guess what happens if you click on the button? You join my list. I send you to funnelsclick.com, you go there you get this free stuff or I give you this bait to go watch Frank Kern's presentation, Julius', and mine, right. It's four hours of free video, but what happens if you watch those videos? You give me your email address. Now you join my list. I'm working my way right now to you guys, right. We'll then buy ads to this video, which I'll be buying my way in, but the goal of all of them is to get you on my email list, right? I've been telling you you got two email lists today. That's my goal. I'm trying to convert all this traffic that I'm earning, right, I'm earning it, right. We've still got 160 viewers on Instagram, we got 185 in Facebook. We'll push these things live over the next two or three weeks. We'll probably get, I don't know, 50 to 100,000 people to watch this video. From that, hopefully, I'll get, I don't know, 20-30,000 people to join my list from it. That's why I'm doing these exercises, okay. That's why we do all this stuff. So I hope you guys understand that. Okay, one more thing I'll talk about list-building, just to give you guys some metrics to make this really tangible for you and then we'll wrap it for today. When I got started, I had one of my friends, who's actually Mike Filsaime, I love Mike. Mike told me, he said, "You should average, on average you should make at least one dollar per month, per name on your email list." And I didn't know if that was high or low. It's actually really low. You should make more than that, but this is a really good baseline, right? So what that means, let's say you got a 100 people on your email list. You should average one dollar per month, per name on your email list. So I got a 100 people on my email list, I should make at least a 100 bucks a month from those people. I got a 1,000 people on my email list, I should be making a 1,000 bucks a month. If I've got 50,000 people on my email list, I should make 50,000 a month and so on and so forth, right? And for you guys who are starting your business, you're growing your company, you're like, "How do I grow my company?" That's the big secret. How many people are on your email list right now? If I ask you and you're I don't know, then you don't have a business. You're goofing around, okay. Engagement on Instagram does not count as an email list, right? The goal of engagement on Instagram is to get people to go to your email list and join your list, right? That's the tangible business that we're in. I remember he told me that, I was like okay. So I started at that point, it was my very first product called Zip Brander and I had it top of my list. I started driving traffic to it. I remember the very first month I got 217 people. Isn't funny you remember some random numbers like that? 217 people joined my email list that very first month. In that month, I think I made $300 in sales. I was like, okay, that's a little more than a one dollar per name. I'm going to keep focusing. I took that money that I made, I reinvested it back into more traffic. I got more people in and in month number two I had 600 people on my list. That month I made like 800 bucks. I was like, uh. So I reinvested that 800 bucks back into ads, I kept doing it, and soon I got to 2,000 people on my list and 1500 people, then 2,000 people on my list. And that number stayed pretty sync. When I had 2,000 people on my list I was making a little over a two grand a month. When I had 5,000 people on my list, I made five grand a month. When I had a 100,000 people on my list I was making a 100 grand. Now I'm at over 1.7, 1.8 million people on my email list, we make more than that per month, right? So those numbers sync. And what's interesting is you get better at this game, you get better communicating with your audience, better making offers, better telling stories. All this I'm teaching you through these books that number will go up. You shouldn't just make a one dollar per name on your email list. You can make five dollars or $10. Sometimes I see local businesses where the list is small, they only have 800 people on their list, 500 people on their list. It's usually because of the relationship, because they're local they're able to make 10, 20, 30 bucks per name per email on their email list, okay? I want to give you that number as a metric. Because if some of you guys are like, "I need to retire." "I want to work from home," I want to do whatever, right? That's the number you should be looking at, right? If you're thinking I need to make six figures a year. Okay, if you had 10,000 people on your email list, you're averaging one dollar per month per name, that's 10 grand a month times 12 months, that's 120,000 a year. If you can focus, and get 10,000 people on your email list, based on the math, you should be making 120,000 bucks a year, your six figures a year. If you're like, I need to make five grand a month to survive, cool, you should be focusing on building a list of 5,000 people. You get a list of 5,000 people, you should, based on the math, if you do it okay, you should be making 5,000 grand a month. If you're I want to make a 1,000,000 bucks. I want to hit two comma club, cool. It's just a math game, right? That means if you want two comma club, you need to focus on getting a 100,000 people on your list, 100,000 people times 12 months is 1.2 million bucks a year. That's the game, you guys. That's what you've got to start to understand. The list is the secret. That's the metric, that's the thing we're all focusing on. So all this traffic stuff we're doing, as much fun as it is, like how do you Facebook ads, and Google ads, and do integration marketing? And how do you do growth hacking? All the things we're talking... as exciting as those things are, and they are, they're pretty amazing. The real secret, the real big aha, is that all the focus point of that is to turn it into traffic that you actually own. And I think tomorrow we're actually going to talk about followup funnels. I'm pretty sure. So tomorrow, we're going to talk about followup funnels. So followup funnels is like now someone's on my list, now what do I do with it? How do you make a dollar per name per month, Russell? Well, you do it by the followup funnel. This is the sequences and tomorrow we're going to go deep into that. But I'll give you guys a hint, just so you know. I was doing a... and I'll show this tomorrow, we'll go deep into this. I was looking at my front end funnels and we did a 30 day snapshot in a window. And in a 30 day window, for every dollar we made on one of our front end funnels, those are the funnels that buy ads too where I push stuff through like this. I'm buying my way, working my way, for every dollar I make in that front end funnel, we made $16.49 in the next 30 days through the followup funnels. These are the emails and messages that are sent to them over the next 30 days. So that's the big secret, you guys. So, again, I will share that with you guys tomorrow. If I can do nothing else, to drill into your brain, say the traffic secret to drill in your brain today, the most important thing you'll be focusing on is traffic that you own. How do you convert all the traffic you're earning, all the traffic you're buying into traffic that own? Because then when the storms come, and they're coming, you're feeling it right now. When the recession hits, when the depressions hit, when Facebook is shutdown by the government, when whatever. The platform you're on, the people are huge on buying and then buying got destroyed and then people have podcasts. Let's say the podcasts disappear. Who knows what it's going to be? But as long as you're focusing all your efforts on one thing, traffic that you own, you'll survive the hard times, okay? I've survived two collapses of the economy, excuse me, one big collapse of the economy, two collapses of my business. I've survived all these things because of one thing, and one thing alone: I have my email list. That's the big secret. You guys got that? That's the big secret. So always have to think about that today. In fact, that should be your goal right now, as you get off this thing, start thinking, okay, how big is my email list today? That's number one. If it's zero people, now's the time to start, okay. But look at it, how big is your email list, that's number one. Then number two, how many people per day are joining it, okay? Again, if that's zero, then that's the next thing, how do I get people every day to do it? Then number three, okay, how do I make that number bigger? What you measure grows. So if you start measuring it, it'll grow, or shrink if you're in weight loss, right? If you're measuring your waist every day, you don't want it to grow, but it'll shrink. But in business you want it to grow. So whatever you measure will grow. So every single day the number you should be looking for is how much did my list grow today? How many leads have I got today? That's what you got to start focusing on, okay. Help you guys to survive the storms or the craziness, that's just as important. So there you guys go. That is the Traffic Secret for today I'm going to share. We had a good turnout today. You guys must be bored out of your minds at home during the quarantine. So if you are, what I recommend doing right now... by the time we hangout tomorrow, you guys could listen to this entire book. Go to trafficsecrets.com, you can pre-order a hardbound copy of this book for free. They don't ship until May 5th though, but the order form bump is the audio book of this. If you get the audio book you can plug it into your ears and you could listen to it. It's seven hours of me reading the entire book, word-for-word. By this time tomorrow, you can have it done, we can get back to work. That's your challenge. While you're sitting around, go do it. Let's go. Trafficsecrets.com, get the hardbound book. There's also a whole bunch of amazing video bonuses you get. You get a presentation from Prince Ea who has over three billion views on Facebook. He does a presentation you get for free in there. Payne June talks about how he does his social media, presentation for me about traffic. A bunch of cool stuff you get for free in there. You just got to go get the book for free and then get the audio book you can start listening to today, if you want. Those who have been asking about how do you get the whole box set. The upsale flow you can get the box set in the upsale flow, so that's there as well. And then, you guys, after you've done that and you're like, "I need more stuff, Russ. I want to keep geeking out. I want to sharpen myself, want my brain to get bigger." Then just go to right here, funnelflix.com. Click Funnels has entered the streaming wars, we are trying to destroy Disney+ and Netflix and all the others. No, I'm just kidding. This is way better. But you guys get a free week at funnelsflix.com, it's called Free Premiere Week. You can go there. You put your email address in, click submit and you can get the first four presentations for free. First one's from my man Frank Kern. One of the original OGs in internet marketing. He's one of the dudes I was learning from when I got started. He did a secret presentation at Funnel Hacking Live. Nobody knew he was coming and when he came out on stage, they flipped out. Anyway, his presentation is there for free. You have funnelflix.com, put your email address in here, and then what happens? Oh, you joined my list! "What? Russ practices what he preaches! Oh, this is so crazy." You joined my email list, right? Boom, you watch Frank's presentation. Then, number two, you go right here, and you watch the presentation of Julius, who built an Instagram following of I think 5 or 6,000,000 people. He's a magician, his presentation was insane. His magic is awesome. Then over here you've got a presentation from me on your value ladder which is awesome. Anyway. So funnelflix.com, so trafficsecrets.com get your book. Funnelflix.com go geek out, you've got free premiere week over here, bunch of cool stuff. With that said, you guys, I appreciate you all hanging out. Tomorrow we'll be back. Tomorrow we're going to go into followup funnels, which will be a lot of fun. Yeah, it's going to be fun. Anyway, appreciate you guys. Thanks for hanging out today. If you got any value from this, please call me down below and let me know. If you're on Facebook watching this, please share it. That'd be awesome too. I don't know, can you share this on Instagram live? I don't really know how that works. But feel free to share this if you got any value, it'd mean the world to me. Thank you guys for hanging out, appreciate you all. And we'll see you guys all again tomorrow. Bye.

Enjoy another awesome episode from the Traffic Secrets book launch podcast. Want to learn how to systematically attract your dream customers overnight... and how to get in front of them over and over again? On this episode, Russell Brunson will teach you... Why you should dig your well before you're thirsty. Why he spent 10 YEARS building a relationship with Tony Robbins (that paid off!). How to attract your dream customer RIGHT NOW and how to attract your dream customers over the long-term (BUY your way in or WORK your way in!). Listen in to learn more! Also, go get your FREE copy of Traffic Secrets here! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- Hey, hey. What's up everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to, what do we call this, Quarantine Traffic TV? We should be talking about viral traffic, how viruses grow. We actually are going to be talking about viral growth, viral traffic towards the end of the Traffic Secrets book. When we get to growth hacking, there's bunch of really cool things. But, we will save that for another day. Just checking in on everybody. Hope you guys are doing great. I know it's crazy times, a lot of things are happening, but a lot of good things are happening in the world right now, too, and just grateful for just so many amazing people who are publishing. I went live yesterday to our 2 Comma Club collective group and I told everyone, I said, "Look, now is the time for you to all be publishing. Your people need you. They need faith. They need hope in a better world. They need things like that to happen. It's time to start publishing." We're going to get deeper into that in the next couple episodes here as we're talking about Traffic Secrets, about publishing and finding your voice and things like that, but now is the time. Your people need you more than ever. It's important for you to go out there and start sharing. Even though it's scary and even though all the stuff, it's time to be a light for the people that follow you. Today, we are getting back into Traffic Secrets. Hope you guys have been enjoying this so far. Have you guys enjoyed these, going live every day? It's been fun for me to kind of start and of kick off the day. Hopefully, it's been good for you guys as well to give you something to think about and talk about and brainstorm on throughout the day. One of mantras I've had in my business for the last, man, probably 10 years or so is this concept of how do you give yourself a raise every single day? Every day, I wake up in the morning and I'm like, "How do I give myself a raise today?" Because think about in the real world, the only way to give yourself a raise is to go back to school. If you're a doctor and you want to give yourself a raise, you got to go back to like four more years of medical school or postgraduate school or things like that. As an entrepreneur, it's kind of fun because I can come into my office and be like: "Okay, if I can increase the conversions on my page; that gives me a raise today. If I can get more traffic coming into my funnels, that's giving me a raise today." There's all these little things we can do to give ourselves a raise every single day. Hopefully, this hanging out with you guys, talking about Traffic and going through the Traffic Secrets book, is giving you guys ideas as you come every day to listen for tip, a hit, an idea, something that you can grab that'll be the thing that'll give you a raise today. The more you guys do that, the better so it's kind of fun. Anyway, we're in the middle of the Traffic Secrets book launch. I think we're halfway through the official launch. It's been going amazingly well. The funnel's converting well, the books are selling like crazy. I want to thank you guys all for participating, even though times are crazy. I think this is the time for all of us to start sharpening our saws. You look at the best companies in the world were all built during these times of economic uncertainty. And so your business, your following, your brand, it is the time to start building it now. All right, so here we go. You guys want to jump into Traffic Secrets again? I've been going through chapter by chapter every day. Some days we've covered half a chapter, but I'm going to be moving into the next stuff. If you don't have your copy yet, we're in pre-order right now. You can go get trafficsecrets.com to go get your copy. They're there. It's free plus shipping, so it costs you I think 9.95 US, 19.95 international. We start shipping these on May 5th, so you may have to wait a little bit to get them but the audiobook, which I recorded, it's seven hours of me reading this entire book, is available right now. Every single day, we're going live and I'm going through the book so while you waiting for the book to come, also I'm sharing with you guys so you can start getting the wheels in your head spinning and get the ideas coming forth. Anyway, if you haven't got it yet, go to trafficsecrets.com and get book. I'd recommend getting the audiobook because you can listen the whole thing tonight. It took me three days to record, but it's seven hours of audio. You can listen to it all day today and by to this time tomorrow have the book done and in your head and understanding it all perfectly well. All right. And then on top of that, there's like five, I think it's five bonus videos you get when you get Traffic Secrets book that each of those by themselves, we could sell for a couple hundred bucks. You get them all for free when you go to trafficsecrets.com and get your free book. I think I said free like 40 times so far. It's time. Anyway. All right. Everyone's asking, "What's Unlock Secrets?" Oh, well there's DotCom Secrets, which is book number one in the series; Expert Secrets, book number two; Traffic Secrets, book number three. Unlock Secrets is a workbook that goes with all of them to help mush them all together and mushify them. But right now, we're talking about the Traffic Secrets book. Okay, so should we dive in? Let's recap what we talked about so far. In the introduction, we talked about the fact there's a storm coming and then it's crazy that we're in the middle of literally... Well, in Boise we're actually having a storm outside, but we're in the middle of this economic storm. It's scary times right now. It's kind of, I don't know, kind of creepy. I wrote this probably 18 months ago, but the introduction starts with "There's a storm coming," and it's talking about... The reason I wrote this book is because there's a storm coming. Businesses are going to be struggling. The lifeblood of every business is what? Traffic. The lifeblood is customers. Right now, in these crazy economic times, the life preserver you have for your business is literally traffic. It's the customers coming around you and it's building up customers that'll be there for a lifetime. Anyway, so the introduction talked about the fact that there's a storm coming, how to prepare for it. Then section number one was all about your dream customer, who is the person you want to serve, and then really understanding them at a deeper level. Are they someone who's moving towards pleasure and moving away from pain? Are they a searcher? Are they a scroller? Where are we finding these people at? How are we interrupting them? That was all in section one, which is one of my favorite chapters. Hope you guys enjoyed that one. Section two, or secret number two then, was now that we know who our dream customers are, secret two is where are they actually hiding? I need to find those people. They got to be hiding somewhere. We talked about congregations and how to identify them. And then in the third video we did like this, we talked about the dream 100. Who's already congregating those people? Where are they at? I had you guys do an exercise, so hopefully you did. It's on page 41 in the book when you get the book. Basically, it was going through each platform. So on Facebook, who are the people that have already congregated your dream customers? Who are the people who already have big Facebook following and writing their names down. Then who are the people who already have big YouTube channels and writing those names down. Who are the people who have big podcasts of your dream customers? Instagram channels, bloggers, big email lists, who are the people that have already congregated the customers you want to have and you want to serve? You got to start listing those people out. That's the first step here in the dream 100. We're going to come back to that today, so I want to make sure you guys have done that and prepared there. And then yesterday, we talked about my favorite concepts, which is hook, story, offer. Whoop. We talked a lot about that. If you missed that one, all these are being posted on Facebook. They're on Facebook long term, so you can go and watch those on Facebook. We may or may not be putting out a Traffic Secrets podcast of these episodes as well because some people have been asking for the replay. That may be coming to you. But today, we're going into secret number four. Secret number four, you guys ready for this? Secret number four is called work your way in and buy your way in. If you read the original DotCom Secrets book, I talk about there's three types of traffic. How many of you guys remember this? There's three types of traffic. This is internet marketing school 101. There is traffic that you control, there's traffic that you earn and there's traffic that you own. There's three types of traffic. Today, we're going to be talking about two of those three types. All right, so working your way in and buying your way. In fact, let me see what's the best way I could share with this. Oh, yeah. It's interesting. When we were launching ClickFunnels five and a half years ago, as you guys know, I'm the non-technical co-founder, which means I got no skills. I can't code, I can't write software, so everyone's writing software for me because I can't do it. Todd and Dylan were creating software. And so it was like what was my job in this whole thing? My job was to figure out, when the doors open on day one, how am I going to make sure that there's traffic coming into our funnel so that people are lined up waiting to create a trial? While they're up all night coding, drinking Red Bulls and doing the hackathon, stuff like that, I was hanging out with them, figuring out, "Okay, I got to figure out dream 100. Who are the people who's got our dream customers?" And so I built my whole dream 100 list, just like I just showed you guys right now and how we did this… actually I did this a couple days ago. I built out the dream 100, and then I started contacting them and calling them and messaging them and sending them stuff in the mail and getting to know them and all sorts of things. After I figure out my dream 100, there's two things I'm trying to do. One, I'm trying to work my way in and number two, I'm trying to buy my way in. Working your way in is, how do I get those people who already have my dream customers to promote me? All you guys have been watching this Traffic Secrets book launch. I have a lot of people who said, "My entire Facebook and Instagram and YouTube feeds are all filled with people talking about Traffic Secrets." Literally, it's my dream 100. It's people I've been building relationships with for years who I say, "I got a new book coming out. Do you want to talk about it?" And they have. I worked my way into those relationships. Those people are promoting it. I'm not paying them. They are affiliates, so they will get paid commissions if they sell a book, but I didn't buy ads from them. I said, "Hey, do you want to promote this?" They said yes. right. I worked my way in. If you look at how do you work your way into your dream 100, you could go through the book here on page number 57. I start walking you through the process. Step number one is called dig your well before you're thirsty. There's a book that Harvey Mackay wrote called Dig Your Well Before You're Thirsty. I remember reading that book and just being like, "Okay, that's the thing." A lot of times, people are like, "Well, when my product's done, then I'll go start working on my dream 100. I'll start building relationships. When I'm ready to launch, then I'll go do that." It's like no, no, no. You need to do that today because when your product's done, if you come to someone and the first time you meet like, "Hey, how's it going? My name's Russell. Do you want to promote my book?" they're going to be like, "Dude, I don't know who you are. All you're doing is asking me for favors and asking me for things." Your job is to start building a relationship today, immediately. Start digging you well before you're thirsty. That's why I led the book with this, because you should start doing this today. Let's say you do this on Instagram or on Facebook. Let's say Instagram, you figure who on Instagram already has my dream following. Who are the influencers who already have a huge list of people, a ton of followers of my dream customers? And then start messaging them. I read you guys a couple days ago in here talking about dreaming 100 Rachel Hall, when she launched her book that became the number two bestselling book of the year last year, only losing to Michelle Obama, come on now, first thing she did is she went to Instagram and found everyone who had her dream customers who had over 200,000 followers. She personally DMed every single one of them. She started working her way in, getting to know them, messaging them, sending them free copies of her product and getting to know them. Same thing with Tom Bilyeu from Quest. When they launched Quest Nutrition, same thing. He went to Instagram and found who was all the influencers who got my dream customers? I'm going to start working my way in and send them free samples, send them product and started working their way in. So that's step number one, is working your way and getting to know these people. When your product's launched, they should already know who you are. They should be friends. In fact, I think I tell a story in here of Tim Ferriss. When he launched The 4-Hour Workweek, he did the same thing. He said, "I'm writing a book. I need to start digging my well today." So he said, "Who's my dream 100? Who are the people that someday I'd love for them to promote my book?" He built a huge list of bloggers and podcasters and things like that. He started getting to know them, became friends with them, messaged them a year before he launched his book. He started digging his well before he was thirsty with these people, getting to know them as he's writing a book. Eventually people are like, "What do you do for a living?" He's like, "Oh, I'm an author. I'm writing a book." They're, "What's the book?" "It's not done yet. I'll tell you when it's done." But people are like, "This guy's really cool. He's just really nice." And then eventually Tim's like, "Hey, my book's done. Can I send you a free copy?" They're like, "Heck yeah," so he sent all these people free copies of The 4-Hour Workweek. And then he's like, "Hey, launch day is this day. If you like it, I'd love for you to write a blog post on launch day and tell the world." And on launch day, he had like, I don't know, a thousand bloggers on day one blogging about The 4-Hour Workweek. That built Tim Ferriss. And so this whole concept is how it works. You figure out your dream 100 is and step number one, you start digging your well before you're thirsty. I'm not going to spend too much time, but we talked about all the different ways to do that here inside the book and the ways you do it the right way and then the wrong way. Okay, let's see. Let me I make sure I'm doing this in the right order. Step number one is dig your well before you're thirsty. Step number two is you work your way in. It's interesting. Right now, while we're on quarantine, my kids and I and my wife are doing the Marvel marathon. We started with Captain America and then Captain Marvel. We're doing it chronologically so it's not when the movies released, but when they chronologically fit into time. So Captain America's number one, Captain Marvel. Last night, it was Iron Man. Tomorrow, or tonight, it's going to be Incredible Hulk. We're doing the whole marathon. As I was watching, I was thinking about... I remember when Infinity Wars came out and Endgame came out. How did they launch those movies? Thinking about this, what they did is that the movie theaters, Disney, they have relationships with the people that have their dream customers, so The Today Show, The Tonight Show, Good Morning America, Late Night, all the different talk shows. About a week before any of these movies go live, what happens? Again, let's just say that we're Hollywood right now. Hollywood builds out their dream... So here's your dream 100. I got to figure out how to work my way in and buy my way into these people. This is what Hollywood does. It's the same thing. It's like okay, here's the morning shows, the talk shows, late night talk shows. If we're going to promote this movie, we need to start working our way in today. And so what do they do? They go and all of a sudden, you see the guy who plays Thor, Chris Hemsworth, is on every single show talking about the movie. And then you got Iron Man going everywhere, and you got all the famous people going on all these shows, talking about the movie like, "This weekend, the movie's coming out. It's coming out. It's coming out." They're working their way in to all these channels, letting them know that this thing's about to go live. And then boom, movie goes live on the weekend. They make a billion dollars. That's how they launch movies. The same thing's true in our world, For the last two years that I've been writing this book, I built my dream 100. I got to know them. I built relationships. I sent free copies of the book. Now, I'm doing podcast interviews, Facebook Lives and all sorts of stuff, talking about my book, getting it out there to the world. Same thing's true for your product. It's the same thing. You start working your way in. We call it working your way in or earning your traffic because it's free. You're not paying for it. You're paying for it with your time, your relationships. But it's the best kind of traffic because it's... First off, doesn't cost you any money. Number two, usually it's coming with a personal recommendation. It's the best type of traffic you can get. So work our way in. The first goal is to work our way into everyone's side of the dream 100. In fact on page 64, you see, well, here's a picture of it there. Personally, I try to figure out how to work my way in. I go through all my podcast lists. How do I get on everyone's podcasts? I want to hit the podcast circuits. Here's all my YouTubers. How do I get on the YouTube circuit? Here's all the people that Facebook live, people who have email list. I'm trying to work these circuits and get into every single person's thing. That's how I worked my way in. In fact, when I launched the Experts Secrets book, I show a picture here, but I spent... Some of you guys saw that video. I did a whole YouTube video about this. I spent 10 years building a relationship with Tony Robbins, my dream 100. When the Experts Secrets book came out, I said, "Hey, can you interview me about my book on your fan page?" He's like, "Okay," and he interviewed me. This interview got 3.1 million views, of Tony interviewing me when the last book came out. I was working my way in. Didn't cost me any money, but I got in there and got this free promotion. The first thing is working your way in. The second way is you buy your way in. Now in a perfect world, everyone in your dream 100 would just promote you for free. But the reality is for 10 years, for example, Tony Robbins didn't promote me for a decade that I was working my way in, working my way in, working my way in. But what's cool is during that time, while I'm working my way in and hoping to get him to promote me for free, I'm still able to go and buy my way in. I was able to go to Tony Robbins, he's my dream 100, and I targeted his fans, his followers on Facebook. I bought ads to his followers. I know his followers are my dream customers, so I bought ads to those people. I knew that Grant Cardone's followers are my dream customers, so I bought ads to those people and I did the same thing. There's two steps to the process. You figure out who your dream 100 is. Number one is you're going and you are working your way and trying to get free exposure to their following, to their fans, to their audiences. And then two, while you're trying to work your way in and get free exposure, you can also buy your way in. All the advertising platforms nowadays like Facebook and Instagram and YouTube allow you to buy ads directly targeting certain people. If I have your dream customers, you can buy ads and say, "Everyone who follows Russell Brunson, I want them to see my ad." You can do that really easily. If you're selling a health product, you can say, "Everyone who follows Dr. Oz, show them my product." While you're waiting for Dr. Oz to put you on the show someday in the future, while you're building a relationship and trying to get on his show to get all this exposure, at the same time you can be buying your way in today. You don't have to wait for him to say yes. Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, the channels have already said yes to you. So I'm working my way in and I'm buying my way in. People always ask me, "What's better? Is it better to work your way in or to buy your way in? The reality is you want both. Here's a little graph here, if you can see. See? If I'm buying my way in, boom. I can get a big spike immediately. I start getting traffic like yesterday. I can get traffic super, super fast. I work my way in, it takes longer. But over the long term, you can get way more traffic from that. The reality is you want both. You want the immediate traffic in sales coming in from buying your way in, and you want the long-term consistent free traffic. If you're doing both at the same time, that's the best way to do it. ClickFunnels has built up of a lot of traffic from both things, free traffic that we're working our way in, as well as paid traffic that we're buying our way in. That's kind of where we're starting. I could spend like six years going on this, but you got to get the book, you guys. You have to get it. You can't say it about your own book, that's annoying, but I worked really hard on it so I can say that. I think it's really good. I'm really proud of it. It's funny, because when you're you finish writing it, you're so proud of it, and then there's this phase where you have to send it to people to read. Man, it is a scary, scary phase. I remember sending it to a whole bunch of my friends and just be like, "Here's my new book," and then just waiting and hoping and hoping. It's funny because at first, you don't hear back because books take a long time to read. You're just like, "Oh my gosh, they must hate it. I'm really, really scared." And then a couple weeks ago, I was at Tony Robbins' 60th birthday party, which was insane. I'm sitting there and I saw Garrett White across the room. He came over, gave me a hug. And then he's like, in the way Garrett says it, "Brother." He's like, "I read the new book." I'm like, "Oh yeah. What'd you think?" freaking out like, "I hope he..." And Garrett's been one of the biggest fans of DotCom and Expert Secrets that we have, one of our biggest promoters of the book. He's like, "This one's better than the other two." I was like, "What? Are you serious?" I'm like, "Oh, cool. Thanks." Inside, I'm freaking out because I've been so panicked, so nervous, so afraid that when people got this, what if they don't like it? It's the insecurities of the artist. You always will have it as you start putting your stuff out there. But it made me really happy that... Anyway, so far everyone who's had a chance to read it has loved it. So many of you guys have had a chance to listen the audiobook and sent amazing feedback. I'm grateful for it. Anyway, yes. I'm excited. If you guys don't have a copy of the book yet, now is the time. All you got to do is go to trafficsecrets.com. Again, we're in pre-order right now. These don't ship until May 5th, assuming that Amazon opens back up soon. Anyway, that's a story for the another day. May 5th, these start shipping. We'll be shipping from our warehouse, so you don't have worry about that. But if you go to trafficsecrets.com, you can pre-order. There's an order of form bump for an audiobook. If you want to start listening to it today, you can start listening today. I spent three days in the studio reading it. It's seven-hour audio, I think, of the whole book. You can start listening to today and have it ready by tomorrow. It's going to be awesome. Anyway, I'm excited for you guys. Hopefully, you enjoy the book when it comes out. I've got to jump. I've been working my way and I've got interviews starting in four minutes with a whole bunch of other people who are going to be talking about this book. I'm going to go jump off and jump on the calls with them, you guys. Yes, I practice what I preach. But now's time to get your book. Go to trafficsecrets.com. I hope you guys enjoy it. I hope you guys love it. And again, while you're ready for the book to show up, there's the audiobook you can upsell. There's five videos you get. One of them is me talking about Traffic Secrets at Funnel Hacking LIVE. There's one from Prince EA, who's over 3 billion views on YouTube. There's Peng Joon's video. There's a whole bunch of amazing Traffic videos you get instantly when you get the book, so go take advantage of that as well at trafficsecrets.com. Someone said, "Where at?" Anyway, I'm jumping off. I got a call in three minutes. I appreciate you guys. Thanks for hanging out with me today. We'll talk back tomorrow. Tomorrow, we're going to be going into the next secret, which is traffic that you own. This is the most important type of traffic, so we'll cover this tomorrow. Again, there's three types of traffic, traffic you control, traffic that you earn and traffic that you own. Tomorrow, we'll talk about traffic you own, the most important, most vital, most fun type of traffic. Thanks, you guys. Trafficsecrets.com. Appreciate you all. We'll see you guys tomorrow. Bye, everybody.

Here is another awesome episode from the Traffic Secrets book launch podcast. On this episode, Russell will show you how finding your 'Dream 100' can help you attract your dream customers! You'll learn: How Russell gets BIG influencers to spend thousands of dollars promoting his own products. Where to find YOUR 'Dream 100'. How to get 4 FREE videos from FunnelFlix! Listen in to learn more! Also, go get your FREE copy of Traffic Secrets here! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody. This is Russell Brunson welcome back to the party. I'm excited to be here with you guys today and we are going live right now on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube. I think we're all over the place. So appreciate you guys hanging out with me today and I hope you've enjoyed this Traffic Secrets book launch. It's been going on this whole week. I know a lot of you guys are in quarantine right now, and you are bored out of your mind try to figure out what to do. Some of you guys are stressed out beyond all belief. I get it. Some of you guys are like, "This is dumb. Why are we even worrying?" And I get it as well. So there's a lot of chaos right now in the world. And the only thing we can control is our own mindset and things. We're focusing on things we're putting into our brain. And so I keep choosing to try to put my mind focusing on things I can affect things I can change, which really is this is probably one of, if not the best personal development weeks for all of us in the world, which is exciting. So, all right, really quick. Before I jump into reading some more of the book today, it's interesting. We did our ClickFunnels meeting and today we had the highest, excuse me yesterday. So yesterday we had the highest number of people logging to ClickFunnels ever, it's more than double what happens on a normal day, which means this is literally the season of funnel building. Okay guys, you're at home. You got the chance right now to finally create. There's always this excuse like, "Oh, I can't build a funnel because of this, because of this I'm too busy. I got this. I got blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." There's always for some reason, people always have this. We call it the mañana principle like, "Oh, tomorrow mañana tomorrow. I'll do it tomorrow. I'll do it." Okay. What I want to do. I want to suggest something for you guys right now. Okay. I want you to take this mañana principle. Most of us have like, "I'll do the work tomorrow. I'll do the thing tomorrow. I'll do tomorrow," tomorrow, tomorrow. I want you to do this as an exercise it will be really fun. Okay. What you're going to do and is the thing that you need to be doing that you normally put off till mañana. I want you to stop and I want you to do that today. Okay. And then the stressing that you were planning on doing today, stressing out about the coronavirus about food, about toilet paper whatever you're stressing about. I want you to take that stress and I want you to stress about it mañana. We're just shifting. This is an easy shift. Okay. We're taking the stuff right now that we're normally worried about. Okay. And that we're shifting it to mañana and the stuff that we normally are going to do to mañana. The stuff that's actually important about building our life, building our business, building our family. We're going to shift till today. Okay. Is shifting the mañana principle. Okay. If you guys can do that, it's going to be amazing for you. Okay because number one, you're not going to be stressed out because you're going to be stressed like, "I don't have time right now. I'm busy building funnels tomorrow I will worry about the stress." And then today you can get back to work. Okay. And what's cool about that. If you do it today, okay. It's going to be all of Friday all today to be able to work, to be able to create, to be able to read, be able to study, be able to learn every other thing that you've been procrastinating. You really have a chance to finally do it today. Okay. And all the stress that you've been sitting on for the last week, you'll move to tomorrow. You be like, "Worry about it tomorrow." and then ask yourself will you survive today? Is your family going to be okay? You got food for today, sweet worry about tomorrow. Let's get back to work. And then what's going to be cool is tomorrow I'm going to suggest to you the same thing. Move it, till mañana, and get back to work. Okay. So there you go. There's the mañana principle in a way that will actually serve you as opposed to hurting you. But again, we had more than double, as many people log in clickfunnels yesterday than we've ever had. Okay. Which means it's a season right now. It's a season to build funnels. It's a season to build hope season to start preparing and building your foundation because this season is going to pass. Okay. And the people who aren't frozen by fear in the season. Okay. When they come out of it, they're going to have a chance to be able to go and create and do some amazing things. So I want to make sure you guys aren't freezing during the season of fear. Okay, worry about it tomorrow. Mañana right now, get back to work focus on stuff you can control things you can create things you can do because the season will end. And I don't know if it's going to be two weeks from now, two months from now, two years from now, it does not matter. Okay. It's going to end. And the people who have been preparing during the season who have been planting the seeds right now are the ones who reap harvest. So now how to plant seeds. So what that means, two things. Number one, if you haven't got a Traffic Secrets book yet, go and get it. This is the seeds you need to get to the master traffic. Number two, this right here is FunnelFlix. Okay. Now FunnelFlix is an amazing tool. I have licensed, I think there's 2,600 videos on that. Okay. All of the courses I learned from, as I was learning this game, I went to all those people and I was like, "Your courses were the best that I ever went through. Can I license them from you?" And I paid them a small fortune, I think over a million dollars so far in licensing fees because I wanted to be Netflix for entrepreneurs. So we entered the streaming wars. We launched FunnelFlix and it's live. And right now we have a really cool thing for this weekend. It's called the FunnelFlix premier week, where you go to FunnelFlix.com right now and you put your email address in there and you get these four videos. 1, 2, 3, 4, I think each date unlocks one. So you'll get this one immediately. The first one is Frank Kern. If you don't know Frank Kern, he's one of the OGs of internet marketing. We had him speak of funnel hacking live. We didn't tell anybody he was coming. It was top secret. And then in the middle of, we had this whole FunnelFlix presentation. We had him come down and bang on the thing. And it opened up and Frank came out and delivered a message. It was insanely good. And people went nuts. It was like, standing ovation, screaming. It was as close to when a rockstar would feel like in our world, if you can imagine that imagine your biggest rockstar coming out and all the people flip out. That's what happened. And we captured it for you and you can go watch that presentation right now. Well, not right now. Wait til this is over, then watch it this weekend. And then if you like Frank's stuff, I licensed every... No I think almost 13 or 14 Frank's courses almost everything he's ever published is also in FunnelFlix now. So if you are a FunnelFlix member, you can geek out on Frank this weekend and get excited. It's all in there, all his best stuff's in there, which is exciting. So funnelflix.com. So this is trafficsecrets.com. Go get your book, get the audio books, go start listening, getting prepared there. And then over here's funnelflix.com as well. So that's the game plan. All right. You guys ready? Is everything... Is mañana principle in place. You've taken all your stress, your fears. You move it until tomorrow. Worry about it tomorrow. Today, you're focusing on planting seeds for your future. Are you guys cool with that? All right. If you're ready to start planning seeds for future, let's go. So what I'm going to do right now, back to the Traffic Secrets book. This has been so much fun reading this with you guys. So Traffic Secrets book. How many you guys are pumped about getting this book? I know we sold, I don't know, 10,000 the first day. I don't know how many right now, but we're selling tons of these. So I know most CBS have got, if you don't have, for some reason now is the time go to trafficsecrets.com. Okay. So I'm going to repeat. So we've gone through a lot of stuff in the book together. If you've been watching these videos each day, the first day I talked about the preface, preface however you say that all about there's a storm coming. And right now we're literally in the middle of the storm. I wrote this a year and a half ago, this part, and it's crazy that now we're sitting in the eye of the storm. So there you go. I don't know how I could time this any better. So introduction, there's a storm coming we talked about that. Then we talked about, we did two days on secret number one, which was, who is your dream customer? Okay. There's a lot of stuff in this chapter. Things I talked about with you guys figuring out, are your customers trying to move away from pain or towards pleasure, understanding that? And we talked about the difference between the searcher and the scroller and the mindset shift and what they're doing and how we structure things differently based on who they are that was secret number one. Okay. And figured out who is our dream customer. Again, getting to understand them at a deep level. Then secret number two we talked about is now we know who those people are, where are they actually hiding online? Where are they congregating? How can we find them? And we talked about how basically our job then if you look at this picture, here was all about finding where in the world these people are, where are they congregating online? And then from there we got to figure out our hooks, throw in there to grab them and pull them into our funnels, which is cool. All right. And then today we're still in secret number two today, we're moving on to a concept called the dream 100. All right. How many of you guys have heard me talk about dream 100 before I've been preaching this for quite a long time. So hopefully you guys have heard me talk about this more than once someone's asking to turn my camera around. I can't because I'm at home quarantine by myself. So I'm doing this by myself. I can't hold it backwards. I can get my kids come hold it here, but then be like, anyway, be chaos. So, right so again, first step of traffic is knowing who, getting deep understanding who it is you want, who your customers are. Number two, where are they congregating? Where are they hanging out? Right. And then number three is understanding, okay. Who are the people that are already congregating these people. Okay. A lot of times we think that we have to go and create traffic in fact, one of my first mentors, I've had so many great mentors over the years. One of them was a guy named Steven Pierce. And I remember Steven Pierce saying something in an event. He said, "People always think they have to create traffic." He's like, "You don't have to create traffic. Traffic's already there." You just have to figure out where it's at and then you tap into it. And that was one of those big, aha moments for me. Because I was trying to create traffic. Right. And so when I understood that, I was like, "Okay, I'm not going to create traffic. I got to find where they are." And this comes back to, we talked about it yesterday, which is finding these pockets, right. What are the blogs that my dream customers read? What are the Facebook groups? And what are the influencers they follow? What keywords they search for on Google? What blogs they... I think I said, blogs, what podcasts they listen to? I'm trying to figure out where are these pockets of customers? Right. So we got to understand that. And so that's the first step. So then the second step in this process is like, "Well, who's already congregated these people." There's people that have been doing this game for a long time, a lot longer than you, longer than me. Right. And they've already self congregated these people. So I decided to figure out, where are these congregations at? Because if I can figure out where those congregations are at, then I can tap into them. Right? And so that's where we get this concept called the dream 100. Now I learned this originally from a guy named Chet Holmes I had a chance to hang out with Chet, a bunch of times he wrote the book, The Ultimate Sales Machine, which is an amazing book, Chet passed away a few years ago, but someone I've had ton of respect for, actually 10 years ago, Tony Robbins event in Fiji. I was there, me and Chet both spoke and hang out a lot. But in Chet's book, he wrote concept called dream 100. And what the dream 100 is, he talked about, he worked for Charlie Munger, who is… what's his name? Charlie… Warren Buffet's business partner in one of his companies. And Chet was running this magazine. And I guess the time I can't remember, I haven't read all the details in the book, but they were the worst magazine in their industry had almost no advertisers. And they had a database of 2,500 people. And they're trying to message all these people and get to the advertising counsel and he couldn't do it. So Chet came in. He's like, "Hey, this is too hard for us to go off all these people, who are the people in the industry that buy the majority of the ads," we found, it's 30 people, maybe it's a hundred, I don't know. But there's a group of people, small group, right? That buy all the ads in our industry. So he said instead of marketing to all 2,500 or 25,000, or how many people are in there let's just target the ones that have the most amount of money. And so he built up a list and he started doing what he called pigheaded discipline, PHD, where he would start messaging. So every week he'd send them something in the mail. And then two weeks later he'd call them on the phone send something in the mail call them on the phone send something in the mail, call them on the phone, right? The decision makers who could move the needle for him. And he said after six months, I think it was six months, nothing happened. And he was frustrated, but he's got pigheaded discipline. He kept doing it, kept doing it. And within a year within I think seven months he landed his first client. It was Xerox or something crazy, who signed a contract. It was the biggest advertisers they'd ever had. And then next month they just land another one within a year or two years. Again, all the actual details are in here. They landed 30 of their dream, 100. And they went from the worst magazine in the industry to the top. And it was by figuring out who are the people that can drive you the most and creating a marketing campaign directly to them. And it was interesting. And then Chet talked about he wrote a screenplay for a movie and same thing like, "I wrote screenplay. I want it to turn to a movie or something, but I don't know how to do it, I'm not in Hollywood." So he's like... So he bought a, I think it was a time magazine or something that was like Hollywood's top 100 influencers or something. And he was like, "That's my dream, 100." So he took it was directors, producers, writers, whatever. And he took it and he's like, okay, "I'm going to dream 100, these people." So he sent his script to all 100, of these people. Then he called them on the phone and he sent them a gift and they called him. And eventually I think it was LeAnn Rimes called him back, loved the script, got the deal, pitched it to things, sold it to Hollywood. And they ended up making a play out of it, I believe anyway, I don't remember all the details, but that was the dream 100. So I remember reading that in Chet's original book. And then I asked him about it. I'm like, "There's something here, but I don't know what it is." Because I'm selling a book. I can't dream 100 everyone and be like, "Hey, you should buy a copy of my free book." Because it's free@trafficsecrets.com, right? It's not efficient. It would cost me too much. But then I was like, "Wait a minute. There are people on my list or there're people in my world who already have congregated my dream 100." I told you yesterday I got to figure out what are the blogs they're reading? Right. So if I figure out here's the blog, they're reading, there's a 100,000 readers of this blog who are my dream customers, wait, who owns the blog? Who's in charge of that blog? What if I started marketing directly to that person, got to know them and send them gifts and whatever. And if they like it and then they make a blog post about it. I might sell 50 or a hundred or a thousand copies of my book. Right. And I think who are my dream 100, what podcasts they listening to? And they're like, wait, "If someone owns a podcast and my dream customers are listening, what if I market to the person who owns the podcast? What if I got that person to say yes. And also they promoted it to their podcast and I make a thousand sales overnight." Okay. And that was where the concept of the dream 100 was born for us. And so for the last decade of my life is what I've been doing. I've been figuring out who, in fact yesterday, people are like, "Russell, what do you do every day all day?" I spent three hours yesterday on my phone, which is right here. My Instagram folks are watching me live on the device I use. I spent three, almost four hours yesterday contacting my dream 100. That's it, personal messages to all of them. Boom. "Hey, this is Russell." I send a gift. Hey, this is Russell. Hey, this is Russell. Hey, this is Russell. And that's what I did for four hours yesterday, dream 100. But Russell, "I thought you were trying to sell tons of your book, why were you doing Facebook ads?" There's people doing Facebook ads, but I would rather get one person who could spend a hundred thousand dollars… Like Peng Joon right now. You guys probably seen the ads for the book, right? Peng Joon, is spending tons of money right now, buying Facebook ads, promoting my book so I can go and buy more Facebook ads myself. Or I can build a relationship with Peng Joon because of my dream 100. And then he promotes it and he spends a 100,000 own pocket selling the book. That's a much better way to do it. Right. And so for me, this is the phase I'm going, my dream 100. I'm training people to write blog, posts, do podcast interviews and send out emails to the list and all sorts of stuff. Okay. But that's the magical dream 100. So anyway I want you guys to get the book it took me three days to read it, so I can't spend all three days just reading the whole thing, that's why I want you guys to get it. So when you get the book on page 41, this is the little chart I made of the dream 100. It's probably going to be backwards for some of these cameras, but basically I do each platform. So Facebook, Instagram, podcasting, YouTube, excuse me. Email lists, blogging, Google, YouTube, Pinterest. Right. So I put out the categories of each of the different industries here and then going down what I do it's okay. Who on Facebook is already congregated my dream 100? Okay. And so for me, I was like, "Well, okay, Tony Robbins has got 3.2 million fans, Grant Cardone's got, I don't know, 2 million fans. We've got Prince Ea got a billion fans," whatever. And I start making a list of all the people who've already congregated my dream customers. Who are they? Where are they at? Okay. I go to Facebook. I make a list as many as I can find. Okay. And then I might go to Instagram. Who are the influencers, who've already congregated my dream 100. And I go to Instagram. So I, write out their names. Oh, this person, this person, this person start listing out all their names. Then I go to podcasts. Okay. Who are the podcasters who've already congregated my dream 100. I start listing all the names and the podcast people who are the YouTube channels that already congregated my dream 100, who already have a million subscribers. I can go spend the next six years trying to get a million subscribers, or I can go to the person that already got a million subscribers. And if I can do a deal with him or her, have them make a video for me, boom. Now I'm suddenly in front of a million people that fast. Okay. You see how this works. Then who's got the email list in my industry. Who's the bloggers. Okay. And I start making lists of all these different things. And that becomes my dream 100. Okay. And so I'm starting traffic again. Notice this whole book I haven't said a single word about Facebook ads yet. Right? Everyone's like, "On Facebook ads, lets do Google ads." guy comes eventually. That's in section two in the middle, but there's all this foundational stuff. That's so much easier to get traffic. Okay. When Facebook shuts you down, what are you guys going to do? You going to be freaking out? Like, "I don't know what to do." And I'll be like, "I'm just going to call my dream 100. They already have an email list. They already got a blog. They had a podcast. I'll just see if I can go on the podcast." Boom. And we do that with our dream 100. So man, this stuff's so much fun. I could go for years about this. Let me see if I want to talk about anything else today on this or, oh, got to read you guys something. Can I read you a little piece? Are you okay with that? So it's funny how many of you guys know Rachel Hollis? If you don't, okay. Last year her book was the number two selling book in the world. The only one that beat, it was Michelle Obama's book. Okay. She wrote a book called Girl, Wash Your Face. And then Girl, Stop Apologizing this is book number two. And it's funny because I never heard of her. And then I went to this mastermind retreat and I did a list of all the different people. And one of them was a guy named Dave Hollis. Who's Rachel's husband. And I didn't know who he was. And I met him and I messed with my wife that night. I'm like, "Oh, I met this cool guy named Dave Hollis." And she's like, "Dave Hollis is that Rachel's husband." I'm like, "I don't know who's Rachel." And she's like, "Rachel's the biggest thing in the world," anyways so funny. And so had a chance to meet Dave and then got to meet Rachel and really, really cool. But last year we were in Puerto Rico at a mastermind event sitting around the room and everyone's talking about, their things. And it's funny because in this room there's 20 people and half of them are New York Times bestsellers. Half of them got three or four, five New York Times bestselling books. And it's just an intimidating room to be in. Right. And we're all talking and then someone started asking a question about how do they sell books? And everyone's given their two cents, I'm just writing, things a million miles a minute. And then Rachel starts talking and she said something and just boom, drop the mic. So I read to you. She said says recently I was in a mastermind event in Puerto Rico and I had a chance to spend time with Rachel Hollis, the author of the number one New York times bestseller Girl, Wash Your Face at the time she was in the middle of launching her new book. Girl, Stop Apologizing. As I was in the middle of writing this book, I was curious about how she had sold over a million copies of her books. I asked her for the secret to selling that many copies and she told me, "We ask ourselves this question, what are the tribes that my women are already in? What network marketing companies are they in? What Facebook groups, what Instagram channels, what hashtags are they following?" After we identified these things, we tried to figure out who are the tribe owners of these women? Who do we need to become friends with anyone who had over 200,000 followers? We would direct message them, tell them who we were and ask them if we could talk. We started messaging everyone. Our focus was to find the tribes and then figure out the best ways to infiltrate them. And I said the dream 100, she recalled that was exactly what she had done to quickly become one of the bestselling authors of all time, which is crazy. And then I go on again. Quest nutrition, how many of you guys know quest nutrition, quest bars. So Tom Bilyeu is one of the founders of Quest bars. He was also in this mastermind group. And after this I was researching it. How in the world did he build quest to a billion? He sold it for a billion dollars. How did he build that company? I remember watching it explode overnight. And then he cashed out and I found an interview with him on the founder podcast. And it was interesting. He tells the story. He said "We had a very different approach that got a lot of people, excited, not just about the product, but they felt good about the way we treat them. We went old school, researching several hundred health and fitness influencers. Then sending them handwritten letters and free samples. This is all about showing an understanding of what others were trying to achieve. And that quest was interested in helping them connect with their audience. When people are building community, they have a real sense of service to that community. We would send them free product and just say, if you like it, tell your people. And if you hate it, tell them that too." "Not trying to steer people's comments to give us a pretty great recommendation or not trying to steer people's comments gave us a pretty great recommendation. Some didn't like it and said so, but the vast majority loved it and were grateful. We had shown an understanding of who they were and what they were trying to do. So they spread the word." You see what happened? Tom built a billion dollar brand off of what? The dream 100 wasn't Facebook ads. It wasn't Google ads. The dream 100, Rachel Hollis became bestselling author in the world off of what? The dream 100. Okay. That's the concept that in chapter two, you guys understanding who's your dream customer? Where are they congregating? Who is in charge of the congregation? Who's the leader. Who's the person that you can infiltrate? And then you got to get to those people. Right? And it's coming down to building relationships, getting to know them. How can I serve those people? Okay. I did a video on YouTube. In fact, you should all go to YouTube and go to YouTube type in Russell Brunson, Tony Robbins dream 100 and there's a video it's about 10 minutes long of me showing the decade long journey. I did dream 100 Tony Robbins, how I became friends with him, how I became business partners with him, how I got to promote my stuff. It wasn't me just spamming, "Hey promote me Tony." It was me for a year or excuse me a decade serving and building a relationship with him is my dream 100 and getting in and infiltrating that, okay. It's a very powerful, really real strategy. So it's the key though. So that's the next thing you guys is that even if you don't have the book yet, you should get it. It's free. So the only reason why you wouldn't get it is you must hate money or you hate traffic or one of those things, but you cover $10 shipping handle. You can get it, but even if you don't get it for whatever reason, you still know the concept now and understanding that. So what I would recommend doing, see if I can find the page when you get the books on page 41, but you don't need this book to do this. Just go make a graph like this and say, "Okay, who's already congregated my dream customers on Facebook, and start making a list of those names. Who's already congregated my dream. 100 on Instagram, make a list of those names on podcasts, on YouTube, on email, on blogs," and find those people. Those are the existing congregations, right? And when you do that, my goal would be to try to get a hundred people, right? So 10 people, 10 or 20 people on Facebook, 20 people on Instagram, 20 people on podcasts, 20 people get 20 of them 20. All these different platforms have a hundred people. Now there's your dream 100. Now when you have that, that becomes the people you're marketing to those 100 people, right? If I get one of those hundred people, say yes, it can blow up your business. I remember when I did this exercise with the DotCom Secrets book, one of my dream 100 and my podcasting thing was JLD John Lee Dumas, Entrepreneurs on Fire. I never met, excuse me. I never met him yet. Sent him a copy of the book, sent him a dream 100 package, got to know him a little bit, messaged me. He was like, "I love your book. Want to promote it." He had me on podcast. I think the first day he sold like 500 copies of the DotCom Secrets book. Okay. And I came off of one dream 100 package. Right? So if I know, here's a hundred people, these are the people I'm marketing to, I'm serving, I'm getting to know them. I'm building relationships. And I'm going to focus on putting in the time to get to know these people it'll pay off in dividends. Okay. So that's the first step in the traffic secrets process is the dream 100. Getting to understand that when we were launching ClickFunnels, it was interesting because I'm no coder. I don't have any technical ability. So while my business partner, Todd and my business partner at the time, Dylan, while they were coding ClickFunnels, you're wandering Russell, what did you do? You're useless to the equation. I know I can't code. So what did I do? This is what I did. I sat there all night while they're coding and I'm messaging people getting to know them, building relationships. I remember my dream 100, by the time we launched ClickFunnels was dream 328 or something. I don't know how many, but it had grown because I built all these relationships and we launched ClickFunnels and we grew it. And it's crazy now that, ClickFunnels five and a half years ago it started. Today. We have over a 100,000 active customers, 30% of you guys logged in yesterday, which is crazy. So 30,000 plus people logged in yesterday to build a funnel. What's crazy is that the majority of those customers came off of the following of my dream 100 the original dream 100 that I had set up five years ago. And I've been relentlessly getting to know them, building relationships, pursuing them, asking them, promote things, getting them to use ClickFunnels. I've been building free funnels for tons of them. I put in the hard work, the dream 100. And on the back side of that has been a company that does hundreds of millions of dollars a year. So anyway, I hope that helps getting the wheels you had spinning. That's just secret number two, the dream 100. So, all right. We're five or six days in this guys we've gotten through the introduction secret one and secret two has been good so far you learning good stuff. If you like this comment down below, like "That's awesome." If you're like "That was lame Russell, I don't need traffic. I hate traffic," then be like, "That was lame." I don't care. Let me know what other way. The more that you tell me the better, I know how to do these and I can keep doing, if you guys like I'm enjoying it, hopefully you are as well again, here's your call to action for you guys. If you don't have a copy of the book yet we're in pre-order right now, you can get it@trafficsecrets.com. The books actually ship May 5th, but you can download the audio book tonight and listen to this weekend. Binge, listen, and start getting these principles into your brain. The more you understand them the better a lot of you guys ask about box set. This is all three of my books, new updated hardbound versions of DotCom Secrets, Expert Secrets and Traffic Secrets, as well as this new work book called Unlock The Secrets as well. The only place to get this out is the upsell. So there you go. When you get a copy of the book, the first order form bump is the audiobook you say yes to that, you'll get the audiobook. And then if you want to get all the updated hardbound versions, that only way to get those is after you buy the book, we make an offer where you can get them all at the discount. So that's the only way to get those. I get them the box ships May 5th, but the audiobooks are there now. So you can start listing at ASAP that's number one. So where do I download if I already bought? If you go back trafficsecret.com is a link there says log in, click on login, and you can log into your members area. It's got all the bonuses, the videos, there's five hours of videos there as well. There's a whole bunch of cool stuff you get when you get the book for free and over here this weekend, it's you guys wonder what to do. Go binge watch stuff on FunnelFlix. We have a premier week for free. You can go and you can watch Frank Kern's presentation today for free each day, unlocks free presentations to get you to fall in love with FunnelFlix. So we're now part of the streaming wars. ClickFunnels is taking on Disney plus and Amazon. And it's all there for you guys as well. One thing I'm going to end with, I talked about this in very beginning, but those who logged in late is a mañana principle. And I want to just re stress this because this can help you guys during this time of crisis. So right now everyone's stressing out, right? Because of all the excuse me, the economic turmoil. And so what I'm going to do is I want you to take that stress and I want you to stress about it mañana tomorrow. So take that and tomorrow I'll worry about today. I'm focusing on planting seeds for my future. Okay? Start planting, seeds, plant seeds of reading book, creating funnels, building stuff, making videos, publishing, whatever your seeds are. Start planting those seeds ASAP. Okay. Because harvest is coming, but if you don't plant, now you're going to be screwed when the harvest comes. So start planting your seeds right now. Okay. And take all the stress of the coronavirus or whatever you're stressing about. Put that tomorrow, mañana, worry about that. And then all this, you leave for tomorrow, which is the planting of the seeds, "Oh, I'll plant tomorrow. I'm going to study tomorrow. I'll build a funnel tomorrow. I'll make a video tomorrow. I'll publish tomorrow." It's time to stop and take that to today, moving that forward and we're going to do it right now. That sound good. That's the game plan you guys. Appreciate you all for hanging out. This has been a fun week so far. Hopefully you're enjoying the time with your family and your loved ones. Make sure to prepare yourself you guys. We don't know what's going to happen, but the best thing you can be possibly doing right now is planting seeds for tomorrow. The harvest will come. If you've not planted during the season of planting, you're going to be in trouble. So now is the time. Appreciate you guys. Thanks for everything. Go your book, trafficsecrets.com, then funnelflix.com. Got have some fun and have a great weekend. Thanks everybody. We'll talk to you guys all again soon. Bye everybody.

Enjoy another episode from the Traffic Secrets book launch podcast. Want to know EXACTLY where your Dream Customers are hanging out online? In this episode, Russell shares: Why you DON'T need to create brand new traffic. How to find the places where your dream customers are already congregating. How to hook your dream customers once you've found them. Listen in to learn more! Also, go get your FREE copy of Traffic Secrets here! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody, this is Russell Brunson. Hopefully you guys are all doing good today. We are in the next day of our Traffic Secrets Launch, talking about traffic secrets, and the book, and how you traffic to your funnels and a bunch of other amazing things. I hope you guys enjoyed the last few days. We've had a fun time to go through some of the things in the books and the concepts. So far, well over 10,000 of you guys have ordered the book, which is amazing. I think it's 3,000 or 4,000 of you guys have bought the audio book, which is the upsell order form bumps, which I'm super grateful for, because I spent three days in lockdown in a recording studio recording that for you guys. So thank you for making that time not a waste of my time and energy. It was crazy. For those who've never done an audio book, you literally have headphones on, and you're reading the book and there's someone listening to everything. And if you mess up, you have to stop, and then you go back, and you just go again, and if you mess up, you stop. I did all three books over seven days. It was a nightmare, being stuck in little spot like this, and you can't move while you're talking, and you can't mess up and you have to keep your energy high for eight hours a day. It's really, really hard. But there were over 6,700 cuts where I messed up and we had to go back and fix, and fix, and fix, and fix. To read all three of these books, Dotcom, Expert and Traffic. So anyway, I've got a dozen or so of you guys messaged me saying you listened to the entire audio book already, which is crazy. It took me three days to read and you listened to it in a day, which is, I don't know, makes me happy. Also, people said the hard thing is that they can't listen in 2X speed because it's already at 8X speed because that's how you get Russell Brunson. I only come in 8X speed, I don't come any slower than that. Anyway, which is kind of fun though. But anyway, the Traffic Secrets audio book is the order form bump. And then, by the way, I don't know, probably 200 of you guys have messaged me on Instagram like, "How do I get the box set?" Okay. When you buy the book, you go buy the Traffic Secrets book and the upsell's like, "Hey, do you want the entire Secrets trilogy?" And if you say, yes, then we'll ship the whole thing on May 5th. If you say no, then you don't get the whole thing. Anyway, so that's kind of there. And the other thing is that one of the upsells is the audio books for all three, so if you want to geek out during this quarantine time and listen to all three of the audio books, that may be an opportunity, but you got to go check out the funnel to even know. So, if you go to trafficsecrets.com, you'll get a free copy of the Traffic Secrets book, the order form bump is like, "Do you want the audio?" You're like, "Yes, I want the audio book." Boom, you got the audio book. Next upsell's like, "Hey, do you want the entire box set?" Because you'd be crazy not too. And you're like, "Yeah, I want the box set." And you say, "Yes." And it's like, "Do you also want the audio book for the box set?" And you're like, "Yes." So, that's how it works. Anyway, I hope you guys enjoy the funnel. I always hope people buy slowly because it's fun to go through the process and see what we did. All right, so today, hopefully this works a little better. Yesterday my Instagram was muffled, so hopefully you guys can hear me. And then my Facebook/YouTube video camera crashed nine minutes in because somebody tried to call me. So I've locked down all these things, this is my own personal studio out of my quarantine, trying to make sure this is all going to work for you guys. Hopefully it's working today, hopefully you guys can hear me, hopefully nobody calls through. I try to block everybody, and we can just hang out and have some fun. This video behind me is trafficsecrets.com. If you're like, "What is that? What are you saying on that video, Russell?" You can just click on that button and you can watch it. So anyway, everyone said, "Where do I go buy..." I literally just said you get the entire box. So the only way to get the box right now is you go to trafficsecrets.com. You buy the book. And I say, buy loosely because it's free, use just cover shipping and handling. So it's 9.95 US or 19.95 international. And these ship on May 5th. So there's a little bit of delay because the way the publishers work is you... Yeah. The way the publisher works, the publishing date is May 5th, but we had to roll it out earlier. Anyway, it's a long story, but the books, that's where you get the book. And then the audio book, you can get immediate access to. So you can listen to it today. And then the box set is the first upsell. So if you want to upgrade to the box set, which I highly recommend because this is my life work. Is this crazy? People say sometimes, "This is my life's work." Like literally, this is my life's work. It's all here. It's in the Dot Com Secrets book. It's all my life's work about how to build funnels. This is the new hardbound updated version. There's over 30,000 new words in this. Actually it's more than that. This book started at 58,000 words. I ended deleting... I deleted probably 20, 25, 30,000 words and ended up over 90,000. Expert Secret, same thing. This one started at 60,000, I think I deleted 20 something thousand words. And then it ended up being over 90... Almost, I think this one was almost 90,000, and Traffic Secrets is like 94,000. So this is my life work. It's updated. They all work together. When you get these, I would highly recommend going over it. I would listen DotCom Secrets first, then Expert, then Traffic. If you've read these in the past, they've all been updated. They're all new. This is five years worth of experience re-woven back into the book, that's... Anyway. So there you go. There's a pitch for the box said, but it's going to be awesome. So today what I want to do, I'm going to go back through Traffic Secrets. All right, Traffic Secrets. And we're going to go dive deeper. So I've been reading parts of this and telling you stories from this book over the last couple days. I'm going to keep... Hopefully you guys are enjoying this. If you're liking this, let me know in the comments down below. I'm enjoying doing it and I'm going to keep doing it if you guys like. Unless you're like, "This is horrible, Russell, I just want the book or the audio book," I can stop, but I'm enjoying this. I'm in quarantine anyway. So might as well hang out with my friends, talking about my new book. So if you go through this, the first video, I talked about the preface, preface, I don't know know how you say that. And I talked about how there's a storm coming and it is crazy. I started writing this book two years ago, I would've never known that we would have launched this in the middle of this epidemic where we're all staying at home. We're all quarantined, and businesses are failing left and right, right now because of just... Anyway. I'm not going to go too deep into it, but it's a scary, scary time. And your ability to get customers in the door, not just crappy customers, but your dream customers, has everything to do with your business, if it survives, or if it doesn't. This is literally your life preserver. I'm throwing it to you right now for you to master because this is going to keep fuel, traffic, people coming into your business right now. And in a couple months from now, when the quarantines lifting and things are shifted, it'll give you the ability to thrive, to regrow your business. All the things happen, but this is this nice moment you have to go there and master these principles and really understand them. So literally, the introduction's called There's A Storm Coming, and now we're in the middle of the storm. So not going to say I'm calling my shot or calling the future, but anyway, just kidding. All right, so that was the first day. And then we did the book launch and then that day I talked about chapter one, who is your dream customer? We talked about away from pleasure towards pain, no away from pain towards pleasure. Then yesterday we started talking about the searcher and the scroller, understand the two differences of your dream customer, right? Are they searching or are they scrolling, and which networks are different, right? Think about searching how it's like Google, YouTube, Quora, all the search platforms, and the social platforms, you're doing interruption marketing, like Facebook, Instagram, also YouTube, YouTube, both, which is kind of fun. I went into that. Understand the differences because the way we structure our funnels and our ads are different based on if it's interruption versus search. And now today, we're moving into secret number two, where are they hiding? What, where are who hiding? Okay. So if secret number one's all about figuring out who is your dream customer, secret number two is figuring out where are these people actually congregating? Where are they hiding? Where are they at online? And so that's what I'm going to kind of go into here to talk about. And I'm going to read part, you guys care if I read a little bit of this? I don't know. I don't have to. If you want me to read it, be in comments like "Read it, Russell, read some of a book." Because I could tell you the story, but I already wrote it so might as well... Okay. I'm going to read part of it. Here we go. Secret number two, where are they hiding? One day in college, I knew I was supposed to be doing homework, but my ADHD in mind couldn't take it anymore. I had to stop writing even if it was just for a few minutes, I looked around and made sure no one else was looking, and then opened up a new tab on my browser. I started typing www.themat.com. And then within seconds I was taken to a new universe, a universe occupied by hundreds of thousands of wrestlers, just like me all around the world. This was our playground where we could talk about wrestling, post pictures and videos and debate about who was going to win every match happening in the next big tournament. I read a few articles and watched a video showing a new way to finish a single leg take down. Afterwards, I went to the forums. Oh, how I loved the forums. Who's better, Dan Gable in his prime or Cael Sanderson now? Somebody had just posted. Of course I had an opinion and it took everything I had to not spend the next 90 minutes writing my thoughtful response about how, if we shrunk Cael down to Dan's size and took him in the time machine, back to the 70s, Cael would've destroyed Dan head to head, but I knew I couldn't. My paper was due the next day and I was locked away in study hall until it was done. Angrily I closed down the tab and sat back in my chair to stretch before I made the trip back to reality. As I was leaning back, I started looking at my other wrestling friends who were locked away in study hall with me because of our bad grades. As I glanced towards our 133 pounder, I noticed a smile on his face, what? What could he be smiling about in study hall? As I shifted my gaze from his face to his monitor, I saw it. He was also on themat.com and he was writing his comments on why he thought Dan would actually beat Cael. Then looking at the other wrestlers in the room, I decided I had to know what they were doing. Faking like I had to go to the bathroom, I stood up and started to walk past their desks. I looked at our 157 pounder screen, yep, he was looking at themat.com too, the 178 pounder, themat.com. But what about our heavyweight? He had to be actually doing his homework, right? Nope. He was also on themat.com. And as I passed his computer, I quickly read his form reply that Bruce Baumgartner, two time Olympic heavyweight champ and four time Olympic medalist, would beat both Dan and Cael at the same time. What? Was he crazy? There's no way that Cael would lose to Bruce. And that's when it hit me. Themat.com was our little corner of the internet. All the wrestlers in study hall were congregated on that website talking about wrestling, but we weren't the only ones. Wrestlers in other colleges across the country, along with high school wrestlers and their parents, were on the website too. All around the world, hundreds of thousands of people were all together in this one spot to talk about the topic that we love most, wrestling. Honestly, this is the real power of the internet. It has allowed us to connect with like-minded people in a way that wasn't possible before. It allowed each of us with our unique and sometimes weird hobbies and interests to congregate with our people to discuss the things that meant the most to us. I'm going to stop. What do you guys think? Does that get you excited? Ah! Oh man, it's so much fun. I have a lot of stories in this book about that, but that is the power of congregation. So you guys have to understand. In secret number one we already identified who is our dream customer. And in the book, I go through a bunch of exercises to go deep into that. After you know who they are, then you've got to figure out where are these people hanging out? That's the real power of the internet. We figure out who our dream customer are. We figure out where they're congregating, and our job to figure out, hey, here they are. Here's all the wrestlers in the world that are on these websites. If you're in fitness, here's all the fitness people are reading these blogs. They're on these email newsletters. They're following this person on Instagram, this person on Facebook. Or if you're into cooking, where are the people interested in cooking? Where are they already congregating? Our job as marketers is not to go generate traffic. People are always like, "I need to create traffic." No, you don't need to create traffic. Traffic's already there. People are already there. They're already congregating based on what they're interested in. Your job is to figure out where are those congregations? And I need to come out there and I got to throw out my hooks in those congregations. So if I figure out there's 100,000 wrestlers here, I'm selling wrestling products. What do I do? I come over to that congregation, I throw a hook in and I try to grab those people out of that... In fact, I have a cool image. You guys want to see a cool image that I doodled? I'm a doodler. So that's what I do. In fact, the Traffic Secrets book I think has more doodles per pages than any of my other books. But here you can check out. This is the doodle I did for this. So here's the world, right? And throughout the world, there's random people who are interested in your topic all around the world. And they're all congregating together in a spot, right? So for all the wrestlers in the world, they're all congregating on themat.com. All the internet marketers in one spot, all the tennis players are somewhere, all the people in health and fitness, all the people who are interested in whatever you do, cooking, cleaning, legal advice, whatever, like whatever your thing is, everyone's got a different thing, right? Whatever your thing is, all the people are there and they're all congregating on certain websites. So your job as the marketer here is not to go create traffic. You don't got to come here trying to drum up business. You go to the marketplace. This is the marketplace for your people. They're all hanging out already. Steven Larson, that I'm going to quote later in the book, we talk more about this. But he talked about, people think that the market is their dream customer. It's like, no, no, no. The market's not your dream customer. The market is where the dream customer goes. So if you wake up in the morning and... Sorry, of course somebody's always going to try to call in the middle of Facebook live, or Instagram live. Okay. I'm back. Someone tried to call, but you don't go to... The market's not a person. You go to the market. If I want to take my family and go to the market, we're the dream customers. We wake up, we drive to the market. We're there, right? Same thing. This is the market. This is where your people are all going to. So you've got to figure out where's your market. And then you, as a marketer, you go to the market and you throw in your hooks. And you grab those people and pull them into your funnels and take them through your process. And you don't know which hooks are going to work, so you have a bunch of hooks. You're throwing in different hooks in here, until you figure out, this is the hook that grabs these people, we pull them in, and then we go and we can serve them through our funnels. So that's the big secret to understand. Who's your dream customer and where are they hanging out? After I figure out where they're hanging out, then I just go figure out how do I get their attention? What do I do to throw out hooks? We talked yesterday about interruption marketing. So if I know that, hey, my dream people, they're interested in business. They're on Facebook right now. So I know I can target their interest. People interested in business, or people interested in Tony Robbins or whoever, I figure who my dream customer, what are they passionate about? You know what they're interested in, then I go to Facebook or I go to YouTube, or I go to Instagram, or wherever I'm trying to go interrupt them at, I'm like, hey, they're all hanging out here and talking about the thing. I'm going to interrupt them. I'm going to throw my hooks in there. And if I do that right... We talked about this yesterday. If I do that, I throw my hook in there, I get their attention just for a moment, just long enough that I can then tell them a story to build up the perceived value of what I have to offer. And then I offer them the thing. That's the magic, you guys. This game becomes really fun when you start understanding the principles. It's not difficult. A lot of times people think, "Oh, this is complicated or hard," or whatever. It's like, no, it's really simple. Traffic is simple when you understand, all this is really becoming super hyper clear on who your dream customer is. That's what all of chapter one here in the book is all about. Who is your dream customer? And this is number two, now that I know who they are, where are they congregating? Where are they already hanging out? Again, I'm not trying to create traffic, I'm trying to figure out where's traffic already at, where are they already congregating? Where are they already hanging out at? Where's the marketplaces that are already there? I'm going to go find those market places. I'm going to drive to them. I'm going to throw my hooks out, try to get their attention, just long enough so I can tell them a story. After I tell them a story, the golden stories that increase the perceived value of what I'm selling. And then I make them the offer. And that is the game. That is the game that we are playing. So Josh just said, "What's the advice you'd give a 24-year-old looking to get into business?" Step number one, you need to understand this business. I would go get the book, read it, master it, learn it, apply it. After you read the book, I would go find somebody else's business and work for free for them and apply these principles. Go drive traffic for them and prove that you know what you're talking about. After you've done that and you've got some success for someone, then you can go say, "Hey, I read this book. I know how to get traffic. I did traffic for this guy for free. He's blown up his business right now, even in the middle of this economic downturn, because these principles work in an up economy and a down economy." Then go and tell someone else, "I did this for somebody else. I would love to do this service for you." And start doing services initially. Okay? If you have no idea where to start, start by mastering the skills in here and do the service. I wrote the Dotcom Secrets book and people from around the world learned these processes and some applied them in their own businesses, and some who didn't know what to do yet, took these and started applying them to other people's businesses. They became funnel builders. They became things like that. We had an event last summer, called Unlock The Secret. So it was a family event. We had a lot of kids there and things like that. And one of the guys there, Noah Lens, he was, I think 12 or 13 at the time, came and spoke. He said, "I read the Dotcom Secrets book. I listen to your podcast. And I started building funnels for other people." And I asked him, I said, "How much do you charge people to build a funnel for them right now?" He said, "I used to charge $25,000 but I stopped because I had so much business." He's like, "Now, I only build funnels for equity." I was like, "You're a 13-year-old kid. And you only build funnels for equity," for crying out loud. And how did Noah do it? He read the Dotcom Secrets book and mastered the funnel building. I've got a ton of people now who have read the Expert Secrets book and mastered storytelling. And now they have agencies, helping people build stories. There are even people who read the Traffic Secrets book, they master it and start agencies. So if you don't know where to start yet, learn the principles, master them, understand them, and then do them for other people. If you have a business, learn them and master them and do them for yourself. I don't care. The principles work, whether it's your business, somebody else's, but now is the time to learn it. So, oh, someone's asking what's in the Unlock The Secrets book. You'll have to find out. I'll give you a hint. It has to do with something amazing. Just kidding. Anyway, so there's some hints about section number two here, secret number two. Trying to think if I'm going to go any deeper today. Who's your dream customer? Where are they hiding? Yeah. I'll go deeper tomorrow into, yeah... These chapters are long. There's a lot of cool stuff. I've got tons of doodles, as you can see in here. So I will wrap it for today. Tomorrow we're going to start talking about... Now, so who's your dream customer? Where are they congregating? Tomorrow, we're going to get into the next concept, which is called, The Dream 100. And some of you guys think you know what that means, I'm going to tell you what it actually means. And we're going to walk through that tomorrow. So it'll be fun. Anyway, if you guys don't have a copy of your book yet, it is time. They're flying off the shelves. They're free, you just cover the shipping and handling, trafficsecrets.com, and you can go get it. And on top of that, there's a bunch of amazing, insane bonuses. In fact, I wish I could scroll down on my computer back here. If you scroll down, there's some crazy bonuses. There's an hour-long presentation. I did funnel hacking live, teaching about traffic secrets. You can get that immediately and start watching it. There's a video there from prince EA, the man, who's had over three billion views on his videos, his presentation is one of the bonuses there, to help show you how to make videos that go viral. Peng Joon who did a presentation at Funnel Hacking Live about how he spends a weekend and builds all of... He has a process, he spends a weekend, he records a bunch of videos and that is all of the assets he uses to drive traffic from every platform. His presentation's in there, a bunch of other bonus... I think like four or five hours of bonus presentations you get immediately, the second you get the book, I could easily sell each of those for 97 bucks by themselves. But you get them for free when you get the book for free. So it's like, if you hate free then don't get the book. But if you like free, you should go to trafficsecrets.com and get your copy of the book. And then for any of you guys who are like, "I want to get this into my head today. I'm sitting around, I'm bored." The audio book, this book doesn't ship till May 5th because we're going through an amazing publisher, Hay House, and the pub date... For anyone who's ever written a book, there's a pub date, pub date is May 5th. Two days ago, March 17th was the day I was first allowed to talk about this and start doing pre-orders. And May 5th is the day it ships. So we're in pre-order phase right now. But the good news is I spent three days in a studio reading this entire book and the audio book is available right now. So you can go and get it today. It is the order form bumps. So when you get the free book, if you want to upgrade you can get the audio book and start listening to it right now, and you can dump all this info into your brain without waiting any longer. So anyway, that's kind of fun. Anyway, I hope you enjoyed this. For those of you guys who are in quarantine, go get this stuff, and you got something to study with your wife and your kids and your family, your spouse, your significant other, whatever it is, your business partners. You can go start watching stuff right now and start understanding these principles. Now there's this weird time where the nation and the world is all pausing for a second. And you can pause and go Netflix and chill, or you can stop and use this time to get this information into your brain so you can master it so that when the economy, we have this chance to go start... Going full out again in the economy, you'll be able to succeed. So now is the time you guys. Someone said, "Do you think that the book is free?" Yeah. So my hard costs on these books is a lot. I paid for the entire hard cost. I have to pay a shipping house to ship them. So there's people that take them, they put them in a box, they put the postings, and the postman takes these things, they do the process and then some guy walks to your house and hand delivers it. So you've got to cover those costs. I cover the cost for printing this book. I paid for it. It is a big book, 327 pages. So I paid for that. You do have to pay for the shipping though, because I'm not going to do everything for you. If you're not willing to pay for someone to come hand deliver it to your house, it's not going to be the right business for you. You are going to struggle in all things in life, especially running a business. But if you want to pay 10 bucks to get this thing hand delivered to your house from the US postal office, there you go. All you got to do is go to trafficsecrets.com and get your copy now. Anyway, with that said, you guys, I appreciate you all. Thank you so much for everything. You guys are awesome. And I'm having so much fun sharing these traffic secrets with you guys. Now is the time to double down, master the skill, learn it, understand it for yourself, for other people's business, whatever it is. This is a skill set. If you master this and understand it and learn it, it'll serve you for the rest of your life, no matter what business you are in. We always say that the people that can drive traffic in a business are the rain makers. They can make it rain. If you can make it rain, you can write your own paycheck for the rest of your life. Whether it be your own business and you go in there and you make it rain for your own business, or you do it for other people's businesses. The rain makers are the ones who can do anything. They set their own paychecks. They negotiate. The person who can come into business and say, "Hey, your business is struggling. I can turn on the rain." And like, well how much does it cost? I just want 20% of your business. Ah, I can't do that. Well, you're going to go under otherwise. Okay, well, make it rain. You can make it rain. And you get equity in companies like... This skillset will be the most valuable thing you can learn. And you're getting it for $10 of shipping and handling. This is 15 years of my life work, about everything I know about how to get traffic. And it's all here for you guys today. So anyway, I appreciate you guys. Go to trafficsecrets.com and get it. Oh and if you want, and again, the order form bump, you can get the audio book, start listening today. The upsell is this entire huge box set, where if you want, you can get the Dotcom Secrets, Expert Secrets, Traffic Secrets book, and the Unlock the Secrets Workbook to go with it. For those who don't already know, Dotcom Secrets is the first book I wrote. This is in fact, if you look at the... Oh, subtitles, I'm going to do subtitles because they help you understand how they all work together. Dotcom Secrets is the underground playbook for growing your company online with sales funnels. This is the new updated hardbound version. It's almost twice as big as the original version and the only place to get the hardbound version right now is as the upsell at trafficsecrets.com. Number two is Expert Secrets, which is the underground playbook for converting your online visitors into lifelong customers. So this one's how to build funnels, this is how to communicate to people when they come to your funnels. You notice on all my pages there's videos, there's presentations, there's things that are happening, there's ads that are happening, like, how do you communicate? How do you use persuasion? How do you master story selling and things like that. That's what this book's all about. Number two, this is not about how you get on stage and speak for a million people. This is about how to master your message and putting it on your online platform, AKA your funnels. So how to build the funnels, how to communicate inside the funnels. And then number three here is how to get traffic or people into those funnels, into said funnels. So these three work hand in hand to help you to grow your company. Which one's my favorite? They're all my favorite. I bled, blood, sweat and tears to get these to you. This is 16, 17 years of my life work all put into here. And then Unlock The Secrets is your underground playbook for scaling your company to the two comma club and beyond. This is a workbook that'll go with the other book. So as you are going through Dotcom Secrets, you're going to be filling out the blanks and getting all the stuff here. As you're going through Expert Secrets, you're going to be filling out the blanks and this will become your workbook for your business. So as you're learning these concepts and these principles, this becomes where you document and you write them down, your thoughts, your ideas, and this will become your playbook for you to be able to go and dominate and take over the world, whatever world it is that you are serving in your business, your people. So there you go. There's the box set. And again, these ship May 5th, but you can pre-order right now a trafficsecrets.com to get the book. The only way you get the box set right now is the upsell inside of the book. So go to trafficsecrets.com, get the book, upgrade to the secrets box, all this entire thing will ship May 5th. But the audio book's available now, plus there's an insane bonuses, there's like five hours of video bonuses just when you get the book and a bunch of other cool things. So now is the time my friends... Yeah, you can get the audio book. Yeah, since I prefer audio, I listen to... Yes, you can get the audio book right now. But you got to go to trafficsecrets.com to get it. All right guys, that's all I got for today. I'll be back tomorrow to share with you guys more from secret number two, which is all about the dream 100, which is the next step in this process. So thanks you guys. Appreciate you all. Have an amazing day, and we'll talk soon everybody.

One weak spot could easily cause your company or your business to fail. Learn how to strengthen and fortify yourself against those weaknesses. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- Hey, what's up, everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. Today, I want to talk about finding your weaknesses and fortifying against them so you can be protected in all aspects of your business and your life. What's up, everybody? Hope you guys are doing awesome today. We are less than two weeks away from Funnel Hacking Live as I'm recording this. In fact, I've been on Slide Smackdown, building out millions of slides, working on presentations, working on video. There's so much that goes into this. It is crazy, but we're having a good time. And I think we'll make it to the finish line in time, as long as nothing bad happens. So there you go. Those of you who are listening in some real time, you know that right now, we're still in the middle of this whole COVID pandemic thing and there's chaos and there's anyway, there's a lot of things. And so, but as they say in show business, the show must go on. Right? And so we are doing Funnel Hacking Live. We've got, I think about 3000 people coming live to the event. We got another two or 3000 people streaming it live from home. And so yeah, the party must go on. So we're excited. But at the same time, there's a lot of nervousness that comes around it, too, right, for all the obvious reasons. And so I want to talk about just the principle that I've been thinking about and trying to practice specifically around this event with my health, but it ties into so many aspects of your life. And there's actually, there's a story in the scriptures were they talk about this war that's happening right. Then there's the, not the village, but there's the city that's trying to protect itself. Right there in the city, and you look around the city. There's like these hills and these mounds, and there's mountains kind of protecting them. There's a couple of spots in the mountain where there's, it's easier for people to get through, right? So these weak spots where it's easier for an invading army could attack because it's like, these are the spots they'd attack. And so the guy who's the general of this army is looking at, "Okay, these are the weaknesses. If someone's going to attack us, they're not going to come over the mountain, not going to... They're going to come through this path or this path. And these are the spots that we're weak. Therefore we know these are our weaknesses. We need to fortify against that." So they brought troops and armies and things around the weak spots to protect themselves. And that way, when the enemy came, they will protect themselves and protect their land, Right. So there's the story, the scriptural story with the principle, right? It's finding your weak spots and fortifying against them. And so for me right now in this season is again, I'm about to go to Funnel Hacking Live and there will be a ton of people. And if I get sick, for whatever reason, it could be really, really bad because you could do the math. How many tickets times how much money per ticket times all the, it gets, it'd be really financially bad for the company. It'd be bad because people have flights, hotels. It would just be bad all around. So I need to make sure I'm there. And so the first thing I'm asking is like what are the potential things that would keep this from happening? Right. What are the potential weaknesses that could take me out of play. Right. And so think about it, one of them is if I fly there publicly, I'm in a plane with 2000 other people. What if, when I'm sick or whatever, that's a scary thing. So I was like, :Okay, I need to figure out a different way to get there." So we decided I fly private, right. So there's one way we protect ourselves. Number two, I need to make sure my immune system's good. Right. I have not had COVID yet. And so it's like, I haven't had it yet, but I got to make sure my immune system is protected. So what does that mean? Well, okay. What are the steps I need to take? What are the vitamins? What are the things? We've had doctors coming over? You mean IV drips and all sorts of stuff to like strengthen my immunity so that I can handle it, right. I've been trying, which is hard for me. I'm trying to get more sleep and trying to not stress, I'm trying to relax, all the things that typically weaken someone's immune system, right. So I'm finding those things, I'm trying to fortify against them. Now that doesn't mean, just like the story with the army, doesn't mean the army is not going to get through and attack them. They might, right. And maybe the army breaks through and even though fortified, it gets through, right. Like I could still get sick. I could still have different issues, like a million things that could happen, but I know where the weaknesses are. Therefore I should fortify against it, right, and try to protect myself. And so that's kind of the message. And so I want to show you guys because that's true in a lot of areas of life. For example, I'm not obviously the health guy I would recommend for everyone knowing, again, the situation the world's in right now is like looking at your own health. Where are my potential weaknesses? Do I need to lose weight? Do I need to get strength? Do I need to get more vitamins. What are the things you need to personally do to like protect yourself, right? I've got to be looking at those things and how do you fortify against. For you it could be different than me, right. Everyone's got different ways and I'm not going to go, and it's too politically charged to get into it. But if you believe that the vaccine or whatever is the way to do it, then go that way. If you believe that healthy, I don't care what it is. Pick what you personally believe and then fortify yourself against it, right. Look at the stats, look at the studies and figure out what those things are and then protect yourself, right. So there I'll leave that there, because again, it's ridiculous how charged this whole topic is, but it is. So I'm not going to say one way or the other what I believe or what I think you guys should believe because I don't care. When all is said and done, I think everyone should make decisions for themselves and figure out what's best for them, their family, but then go through it and like go intense on it. Don't, anyway. So then I want to transition to business because you guys come here to learn business from me, not to learn health. So let's talk about business. So I want you to think about, in your business, like what are the same things like everyone's got the same thing, right. There's there's weaknesses that you got to fortify against. I was thinking back the very first time that I was growing my business, very first collapse that I had was because I had no, I only had one traffic source. And so when that traffic source disappeared, my business disappeared as well, right. And I went through the crash right then because I hadn't fortified. If I had been smart, I was okay, but with my business where's the choke point. What's the thing that I'm weak at. Okay. It is, I only have one traffic source. Therefore I need to go there and fix that and strengthen it and put those things around it to protect it, right. So that was the first time. The second time my business crashed is because I only had one merchant provider and that one merchant buyer decided they didn't like my business, everything got shut down. Right. And it was my choke point I hadn't fortified against. So as we started building ClickFunnels, we were very strategic. "Hey, what are all the things that could happen? Like what are the things that could make our business fall down?" And we had to be very, talk about it very openly, because a lot of times we don't want to think about these kinds of things, right, because they don't sound good. But when it was like, what if Russell gets hit by a bus? What if Todd gets hit by a bus, right? What happens if a merchant account shuts us down? What happens if our auto responders, what happens if our traffic dries up? What if Facebook's ads stop working? What if, what if and we started thinking through all these different weaknesses, right. Just like the army general is looking at, here in the mountains where people are going to attack us, right. Or me going to an event. Like these are the things that could happen to make them not happen, right. If I got sick or if these different things so you're identifying, you're being very real, right. And you're having conversations that aren't fun to have, like Russell gets hit by a bus. That's not a fun conversation to have, what do we do, right. But it's looking at those things, identifying them and then say, "Okay, how do we fortify against these weaknesses? Okay. What are the things? What are the things I need to do to make sure I'm protecting myself, right? Do I have the second merchant account in case I need it? Do I have this, looking at all different pieces and having backup plans and having things in place." Because it's crazy how fast things happen in this industry, in this business. I seen so many people who have really good businesses who've lost them quickly because they didn't fortify because they ran the whole business on Facebook ads and Facebook shut down. They run their whole business on SEO and they got slapped, right. And so it's finding what are the choke holds in your business? And they're going to be different for everyone, right? Some of you might have a key employee who just runs everything. If that person disappeared, what would you do, right? Or a partner or you, right. And so it's something that I don't know the answer to, but I want to raise the question because I would be doing you guys a disservice if I didn't bring that up. So it's not running through your head. Because I didn't think about my traffic sources and the first time I got slapped. I didn't think about my merchant count, the second time I got slapped, right. I was looking at all the positive because we're entrepreneurs, we're looking at the positive, looking at the vision, looking at the future, we're looking at the things that we think are going to be so great,. Right. And we're not looking at like, "Oh, what if this happens? What if this happens? We're optimists, right?" And so everything's always going to work out. But the reality is sometimes it doesn't and if we're prepared for it, we fortified against that, we've got backup plans. We can move, we can shift. We can make those adjustments. If you don't, that's when you get in trouble. And so I want to protect you guys. So that was the point of this podcast episode is to protect yourself. The podcast cover image I'm using this time is me sitting at my desk with a whole bunch of IVs plugged into me because I spent seven hours yesterday with IVs of every known substance, known to man going into my blood system to protect me and increase my immune system and to help me have the energy and all the different things, right. And so it's those kinds of things that we're doing. And yeah, it's funny. I actually was Instagramming yesterday as I was doing it and I got tons of messages to people like, "Are you okay? Are you dying? Are you sick? What's happening?" And I'm like, "No, this is a preventative, right." And it's funny because most of us, and this comes back to us as humans being pessimistic or optimistic. We're optimists. My dad sells insurance or he did before he retired, but he sold insurance and the insurance that they would get the biggest bonuses and rewards for was selling life insurance. And I talked to my dad about this because life insurance, you don't have to have, right. But it's the one that's like the most important. But he says it was the hardest to sell because no one wants to think about that. Oh, I'm going to live forever. I'm going to be fine. And they pushed that out so it was very, very difficult to sell life insurance, yet it's the thing that's probably the most important of all of them, right? It's easy to sell car insurance, easy to sell house insurance, things like that. But the one that's the most critical, it's hard to sell because people are all optimistic. Oh I'm going to live forever. I'm going to be healthy. You know, whatever it is. And they don't think about it. And then it hits and it's too late. So same thing's true for us as entrepreneurs. We have to be thinking about those things and putting it in perspective. So, that said, prepare yourself, prepare your health, prepare your business, prepare your life, prepare your family. Look at the things that could go wrong and start building strength holds around them. Hope this helps. Appreciate you guys. Thanks for listening. And we'll see you on the next episode of the Marketing Secrets Podcast. Bye, everybody.

Even for me who has done literally hundreds and hundreds of webinars, sometimes they don't work. What are the adjustments we make to make it work better next time? Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- Hey. What's up, everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. Today I'm going to tell you about my most recent failure, that happened yesterday. All right, everybody. So usually, on most things you have a chance to hear the highlight reel. Normally I will tell you a story about how like, "Oh, five years ago, six years ago, I did a webinar and it bombed, and now I'm amazing." But rarely do you get to hear me talk about my failures in the midst of the failures, when I'm still licking my wounds and trying to figure it all out. So, that's our mood today. I hope you guys don't mind. It's actually interesting. A lot of you have heard my story about 10X, where I did $3.2 million in 90 minutes. What a lot of you don't know is like two months prior to that, I had spoken at an event, and I had tweaked my pitch a little bit. I did the pitch in a little small audience, and it completely bombed. And you know, two and a half months later I did it at 10X and killed it. And I told the story about 10X and I killed it because that's the story that's fun to tell, but I didn't tell the story about how two months earlier, I did a webinar to a group of people and completely bombed. Or not a webinar. Like a live event. That's the thing about this game. There's always the ebbs and the flows, the ups and the downs. I've been reading a new book by Tim... Tim something. Dang it. I should know this. Tim Grover. Tim Glover. Something. Anyway, it's called Winning. He wrote one called Relentless, which was good, but Winning is way better. Talking about winning in there. He's like, "Winning is unforgiving. Winning doesn't care about you. Winning, there's ups and the downs, and it's just... " Anyway, so today, or after yesterday I'm like I feel like winning is beating me up a little bit. But it's okay, because it's how you learn. And so, but I'm just like everybody else. Like yesterday... And I did a webinar yesterday, or a podcast yesterday, so if you listen to the last podcast, you'll hear me talk a little about this. But I was excited. We bought a new company. We spent multiple eight figures on the new company, so it wasn't small, and we were doing a webinar to the customer list to sell ClickFunnels. Because the whole purpose of buying this company was to use it as a front end to hopefully people in ClickFunnels, right? And so, I'm all excited because we're going to turn these people into ClickFunnels members. It's going to be amazing. Anyway, so I do this webinar. And first off, I'm like, "Dude. Well, I'm on fire. Things are feeling good." And then I look over at the comments, because at a couple parts I played little videos. So the videos, I looked at the comments, and oh my gosh. These people, my new customers that I just spent multiple eight figures on, are not happy. They are pissed. They don't like the webinar. They don't like the beat. They think I talk too fast. They think that this is like an MLM pitch. They think all of the things. And I start reading these things by a whole bunch of people, and John on my team runs in. He's like, "The comments are going south." I'm like, "Yeah. I don't know what to do." I'm doing a webinar. The whole bunch of people, I've got to keep going. And so I get back on. I do the whole webinar. And afterwards, you know. What I was expecting to be a high six figure day, maybe seven figure day, ended up being a five figure. A low five figure day. I was like, "Oh, man. That was not good." Because I've got to pay back multiple eight figures. I needed this to convert better than it did. So at first I was just like, the initial was just like anger, and then depression. These are all in the moment, right? And then it's just like I want to be depressed. I want to go hide. I just want to quit. But then I'm like, "I can't quit. I need to pay back the loan that we took out for this company. I've got to figure this out." Right? So after being kind of bummed for a little bit, then it was like, "Okay. I've got to figure this out." So after about an hour of me moping and wanting just to quit and run and hide in a hole and everything... Because it's weird. I don't know about you guys, but there's so many emotions. I'm not sure if you saw the 10X documentary. If not, I think it's 10xdocumentary.com. We did a whole documentary on this. But I spoke at the first 10X. We had $3.2 million in sales. The next 10X was in a stadium. It was three times as big. 35,000 people. Everyone thought I was going to make a billion dollars, and I bombed at it. We have a whole documentary documenting the bomb. But the thing for me is it's hard for a couple reasons. Number one is like I always want people on my team to feel the energy of what we're doing. Right? Because the more excited they are, they're more excited about their jobs and what we're doing. And so, leading this webinar, we had 7,500 people register, and we're talking to them and getting them excited. And the day of the webinar I message them, "It's webinar day. It's going to be so much fun." Like we're pumped and excited, and the webinar is happening. And then when it doesn't happen, partially it's like, "Oh, I feel like I let all of them down. Right?" Because the 10X thing, if you watch the documentary, I felt the same way. I felt like I let all these people down. We flew all these people in, and everyone was excited to see this thing, and it didn't happen. And so, like ugh. Partially it's me licking my wounds, because I felt like I let everybody down. The second half for me is just like embarrassing. Right? I'm a performer. I'm an athlete. I'm an entrepreneur. I step up, I perform. And when I step up and don't perform, it's embarrassing. Right? One of my friends, he's a UFC fighter. He fought a big fight. He's in the top four or five. This is just like a month ago. Two or three weeks ago, actually. And he went out there and he lost in the first round. He got tapped out. And he went to Instagram instantly afterwards and posted. He's like, "I'm embarrassed." That's how I feel. It's like it's embarrassing. Just embarrassing. Even my wife. I get home, and Colette's like, "How'd it go?" And I'm like, "Uh, I just want to crawl in a hole and hide." So, I'm telling you these things for a couple reasons. Number one, I want you to know that I go through it as well. Because I'm sure you guys go through this too, right? Where you're expecting this, and then this comes in and you're frustrated or depressed or angry. All of the emotions come in, right? So I wanted to share with you, hopefully to help you just understand that even me, at this level in the game for me, I still go through that. I'm going through it right now, like in the middle of it. In the middle of being embarrassed and being frustrated. Like I didn't even want to go to the office today. I just want to sit at home and watch movies and eat ice cream. That sounds good, actually. Maybe I will do that. Just kidding. Well, I'm not completely ruling it out yet, but anyway. But then the second half is where the lesson is. Because after licking my wounds and being depressed and being embarrassed, and all the emotions that come with that, then I was like, "Well, I've got a job to do." Right? And wrestling is the same way. I lose a match, be frustrated, embarrassed, angry, all the things, and then it's like, "Well, I've got to come back and win this tournament." Or, you know. Placed third in this tournament. "I've got to come back and compete in the next tournament. I've got to come back and like... " So now it's like what are the adjustments I make? I'm like, "Okay. Well, the webinar didn't work, so I'm not going to go set out 500 replay emails, because it didn't work, and so it's not worth the effort. Right? So we're calling an audible. We're shifting that." Number two, it's like, "Okay. We misunderstood our audience." Right? The audience who I thought they were were definitely not who they were, so who is the audience? I've got to figure this out. Like Danny Kennedy 101, message to market match. My message did not match the market, right? So I've got to figure this out. In fact, when we lost ClickFunnels the first five times, it was an interesting thing. Same thing. The first five launches of ClickFunnels failed, failed, failed, failed, failed. And number six is when it hit, because I'd figured out the message to market match. What is the message that this market needs to buy the product? So I realized I had a message to market mismatch. So the first question is, who is the actual market? So we started digging through the data, and like who are they. I assumed they were this. They're not. So, who are they? And I figured that out. Okay, now what is the purpose? Why are they buying this product? Why did they come into this room? Why in this ecosystem? What's the reasoning they had? Okay, now we know that. Now the mechanism. I just talked about getting from zero to a million bucks. First off is like you've got to figure out who is it you're selling, then you start figuring out what is it you're actually selling, and then how you're selling it. The what and the how, right? And so, I know the what's ClickFunnels. It's like it has to be that. That's the whole purpose, right? So I know who now. The who, I misunderstood the who. Number two is like what? Well, I'm still selling the same what. So, the last one is how. What is the mechanism? What's the thing that we're using to sell? Right? And I thought that the webinar was going to be the thing to sell everybody. Now that I quickly figured out, okay, the webinar's not the thing. Okay, well what is the thing? How am I going to sell people this product? I'm like, well they just bought... I'm looking at what the product they just purchased, which is video creation software that helps make doodle videos and things like that, right? So it's like, okay, this is the mechanism that they bought, right? They're buying software that helps them do this, so I need to use that same mechanism to convert them. So, right now I am in the process. Within an hour of me bombing the webinar, I had hired a writer to start on this process. But now we're working on a Video Sales Letter for my OGs. We call them VSLs, for those who are newer. It's called a Video Sales Letter, VSL. And we're going to hand sketch out the VSL. So, someone comes in. They bought software that does VSLs. I'm going to have them hand sketch out a VSL. We're going to have them surveying the VSL to figure out which audience they are, and then the VSL will change on the fly, depending on who they are. So if, "This person is this market or this market or this market or this," who they are, it will speak specifically to that who, and bridge the gap on why they now need ClickFunnels. So that is the second test, and that test may bomb. I may go and spend a month trying to build this thing out, paying to hand do all the videos, all of the thing, and it may completely bomb. But that's the game, right? It's trying and failing, trying and failing. But it comes back to understanding it's the core things, right? Understanding, okay, who is the market? Right? The market to message match. Who is the market? What's the message you need to actually convert that, and keep tweaking that and change that until you figure it out. ClickFunnels, I failed five times. Five launches before we hit it. And I could have easily failed on the first or the second or the third or the fourth or the fifth, but I didn't, luckily. Thank heavens. Woo hoo. Otherwise most of you guys wouldn't even be here. And I kept working until we figured it out. Three weeks before... Or two weeks. Whatever it was. A month ago. A month before the 10X event, I tried my presentation, and I flopped. I tweaked the market to method match, tweaked those things, and then a month later, whatever it was, at 10X, boom. $3.2 million in sales. Right? So, it's our ability to look at the failures, lick our wounds quickly, and then make the adjustments that are the key to winning this game. Okay? Because man, I don't care what level you are. I don't care if you do this for 20 years, like I had. I don't care if you've done that webinar 150 times live, and you know exactly what words to say in order to get people to buy. If it fails, sometimes it does, and you've got to come back and figure out what are the adjustments. My buddy who's a UFC fighter, right? Lost in the match. He's going to come back and look at the adjustments. What are the adjustments he's got to make? I think that's where a lot of people, they fail. It's that they failed, and then they think that they're a failure, as opposed to like, "I failed. Crap. That method didn't work, but I'm stubborn, and I've got pigheadedness. I'm going to keep trying and keep trying and keep trying." And for me with ClickFunnels, six times, we got it. Gave this offer. It may even take six times. Maybe eight, maybe 10, maybe 15, maybe 30. But I have to make it work, right? And the same thing's got to be true for you. Okay? If it hasn't worked yet, all right. That's okay. Let's get back to the drawing board, and you've got to think. Did I mess up on the message? Is the market wrong? What do I got to tweak? And keep doing it until you've figured out the method that's going to work for that audience. So, anyway. I hope that helps. You guys are hearing me talk about it in the midst of the pain, as opposed to later. They always say in vulnerability, like show your scars but not your open wounds, but I've got an open wound. There it is. I just dumped some salt on it to embarrass myself in front of you guys even more, because that's how much I love you guys. But hopefully it gives you some understanding in some of the things you need to be able to lick your wounds and get back up and keep trying, because it's going to happen. It happened to me. It's going to happen to you. It's going to happen to other people. But the ones who win are the ones who are able to sit in the frustration of the moment for a moment. Because as annoying as it is, it feels good to be like, "Duh," and letting that pain just kind of writhe inside of you. You know, it's like someone stabbing you and turning the knife, twisting the knife. It's like I want to feel that pain, so I can be angry enough and frustrated enough to do the work to figure it out. Because if you're like, "Oh, I failed. Whatever. You know, win some, lose some," and keep moving on, you're not going to be successful. I want to sit in that pain for a little bit, so I can be like, "Ah, I'm so angry. I'm so embarrassed. I'm so frustrated." Like all of the things, and twisting that knife, because that's what gets you to be like, "Okay. I've got to change this. I've got to figure something out." Right? And that's what gives you the fuel you need to make the adjustments and to change, right? I mean, losing. I lose a wrestling match, that pain and that frustration, that embarrassment, those things are the things that drive me now to get back in the gym and to figure things out. And as an entrepreneur, the same thing. You bomb a campaign. All right. Let it hurt. Feel it. Okay, now you feel that? That sucks, right? Okay, now let's get back to work and let's fix this thing. And that's kind of the way you guys got to be looking at. That's the way I'm looking at it, right? The annoyance and the pain of me bombing on this thing is the fuel that I need to fix it, and I'm excited now to fix it. Still upset, still frustrated, still have that pain in my gut from failing, but that's okay. Again, that's the thing that's going to drive me through figuring it out. And we're going to figure it out. And when I figure it out I'll share it with you guys, because I have to figure it out. It's just not like, "Oh, that'd be nice." It's like, "No, I'm multiple eight figures in the hole right now in this company. We've got to figure out how to turn it around." And I will. We'll figure it out. But this is my mindset. This is how I'm doing. These are the things I'm looking at. Okay? What was the market? What did I screw up on? Right? What's the message? Where did I screw up there? Okay, what am I selling, and how am I selling it? What are the methodologies? What do I got to tweak? What do I got to change? And those things put together is how I win this game. So just remember, you guys. It's a game. Don't let it stress you out. Don't let it keep you up at nights. But realize it's a game that you're playing. If you want to win, you've got to be able to move, to adjust, and yeah. So, there you go. I appreciate you guys. Thank you for listening. If you enjoyed this episode and learned something, please share it. Let people know. That's the best thing you could do for me, is tell someone. Like, "Dude, go listen to Russell's podcast this week." Or if you hate it, then don't. That's cool, too. I get it. I'm not going to be everyone's cup of tea, as they say, which is totally fine by me. So for my people, you'll hear my voice, and hopefully this will help you. So thanks again for listening, and I'll talk to you guys all again soon. Bye, everybody.

Understanding funnel stacking is the key to survival in 2021 and beyond. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- Good morning, everybody. This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. Today is webinar day. I'm excited. Hopefully it's webinar day for you too, because webinars day, as long as you don't mess it up, it's usually payday. So, got some cool stuff to talk to you about. I'll be right back after the intro. Okay. So, heading to the office today, today is webinar day. That's a special webinar day, and I'm excited. I had a lesson that I want you to learn from this. So, how do I phrase this best? So, I just know when we first launched ClickFunnels, the way we did it was, I did a webinar, every single... Well, I told people I'd do a webinar a week for a year. But I was doing like three to five webinars a week, sometimes two or three a day for a year. And that's how we blew up ClickFunnels initially. That gave us initial momentum to get things into outer space. And then, over time we've got funnels and we do funnel stacking. Someone buys a book and they're pushing a webinar, and then from there, we take them through a whole sequence to get people to ascend and move up. And a couple of years ago I did a funnel hacking lab, I gave a presentation called, "Funnel Stacking," and talked about the importance of it and why it's like, have just a funnel, is not... Some people's business is like one funnel, that's their whole business. I'm like in the future, you got to become better at funnel stacking, which is like taking from funnel one to funnel two, to funnel three and moving them up your value ladder. And back then it was like, because this is how you make more money, but it wasn't like a necessity. And you probably heard me say before, one of my favorite Dan Kennedy quotes, he said, "Whoever can spend the most money to acquire customer wins." So, that's why funnels are so essential. When I got started back in the day, you guys heard of my story, right? I sold a potato gun DVD, and that's all I sold, and I was able to make money on that. But then Google shifted and got more expensive. And so we had to build out funnels to be able to still be profitable. And honestly, for the most part, I think most business owners over the last five or six years can have a funnel and make money and be profitable because just the funnel metrics. But something's happened over the last couple months and you may have heard of this. Our friends over at Google and our friends over at Apple and our friends at Facebook all started hating each other and fighting and battling. And because of these wars, all of our tracking and all sorts of stuff shifted, it changed. And I'm not sure if you've noticed it, we've noticed it, but the cost per acquisition or cost to acquire customers has gone up dramatically in most of the businesses and most of the funnels we have because of these new updates. And it's super annoying. But guess what? For those of you guys who are listening to me who are funnel hackers, who understand this stuff we've been talking about, is a slight annoyance that'll actually yield you more money at the end of the day because you understand these principles. Okay? So, what's going to happen is, first off, everybody who just had a funnel and that was their business, it's going to be harder for them to make money in that funnel. They're going to get closer and closer to break even, or losing money in their funnel. And a lot of people, a lot of your competition, a lot of people around you are going to be out of business. So there's number one. There's the bad news, a lot of people are going out of business. The good news is, most of your competition is going to get out of business, which means eventually at cost is probably going to drop, your ability to serve people is going to be easier. And so, those who stick through this are going to win, and it's going to be better for you in the longterm. So, that's the positive. This is the pattern that I've seen year after year, decade after decade now. This is what happens. And so, I warned you in the beginning of Traffic Secrets, I said, "There's a storm coming." We're in the eye of the storm right now, it's happening. And so, ad costs are going up, most businesses who are not sophisticated, who don't understand funnel hacking, and these principles are going to be gone. But for you guys, it's like, now's the time to start preparing, and so, what that means is, no longer is just your funnel breaking even, like going to be the thing that builds you the right business. That's step number one. Now you have to get into funnel stacking. Some of you guys, it's not the first funnel is going to be the second funnel that breaks you even. Okay? Did you hear that? It's not the first, it's the second funnel that breaks you even. Or some might be the first, the second and the third breaks you even, after that, you're profitable. The biggest companies, they could go the deepest. Now, for us who aren't VC backed, like for example, HubSpot... I think it's HubSpot. We were looking at their metrics and they go like a year or two years in the hole. So, they'll spend $2,000 to get a trial customer and they don't make any money on that person for two years, but they can do that because they've got all these VCs backing them. People like me and you, who are bootstrapping, we don't have unlimited budgets. So, we still have to break even quickly or we can't keep scaling. So the goal always initially was, break even in your first funnel. And then your second funnel is all profit. But now it's going to be going deeper because of just these new changes in how things are playing out. And so, it's important for you to do funnel stacking where it's like, hey, this may be my book funnel. And from there, I push my webinar funnel and from there it's my high ticket funnel and we're taking them through the sequence. And maybe it's like in the middle of the webinar funnels where you break even, or maybe even at the end of the webinar funnel, you're at break even or something, but you got to start figuring those metrics out and start figuring that process out. And so, that's something to think about. One thing people ask me is, "How do you track these things?" And Alex Becker actually has this really good tool now, called Hyros, H-Y-R-O-S, that we're using for our tracking. And it's probably the best thing out there right now. It's still not flawless, no one's flawless. Someday. Someday someone's going to build a flawless system. But it's been super helpful for us to be able to see the tracking from funnel to funnel and kind of see what's happening with people. But anyway, I want you guys to understand that this funnel stacking is a key. So for example, that's why I'm so excited about today's webinar day, because recently we acquired a company and I'm going to give more details, probably Funnel Hacking Live I'll first start talking about it. But we acquired a company that has a whole bunch of front end funnels. And we bought the funnels because they're so profitable. The average cart value is like, I don't know, 130, $140. So, he spent a lot of money to acquire a customer, which is why each of the funnels gets three to 500 new buyers a day, which is awesome. And my goal long-term is to get all those people into ClickFunnels. That's the whole business model. We bought this company because we're buying all their front end funnels so we can push people into ClickFunnels in the backend. Now, in the middle of those acquisitions, when these iOS, Facebook, Apple updates started happening and the cost to acquire a customer went up and all of a sudden these funnels were a 25% profit margin went down to 0% profit margin. And at first, everyone's freaked out like, "Oh, we should cancel the deal. We shouldn't do it." I'm like, "No, you don't understand, this is why we have to do the deal. This is the key." Yes, it sucks that the margin is now gone from these funnels, but the same thing, is like, we're still at break even or maybe a little bit in the hole, but we're acquiring all these customers and then we can put them into our second funnel and that's where it becomes profitable. And so, the question is, what is the second funnel? What's that look like? How is it going to work? And so that's what I'm testing today. So, what I'm doing today is, I'm doing a webinar to the entire buyer list, entire customer list of this company we bought. I think we have seven or almost 8,000 people registered. So it's going to be a big webinar day today and hopefully I don't bomb it. And it's a big payday, but who knows I could bomb. So we do a webinar, and if the webinar goes well, I take that webinar presentation and then we plug it into the back end of every one of these funnels. So, somebody buys the product, they go through the funnel hit the thank you page, thank you page will plug in the actual webinar, gets them on the webinar. And now, the first funnel stack has been completed, and it gets somebody from buying the software, getting thank you page, watch the webinar, buying ClickFunnels. And again, that becomes the first funnel stack. And so, that's the key. That's the thing I want you guys understanding is that, I think a lot of people are like, "Oh, you're going to make a ton of money off the webinar." I'm like, "Not enough money to pay back what we bought this company for." I'm only doing the webinar to be able to create the second piece in this funnel, the funnel stack, thing that's going to plug into the back of all these funnels. So now all these customers coming in every single day, we can transition them from funnel one to funnel two, which gives us profit, but then also plugs people into ClickFunnels, which is our continuity. And that's the beginning of the funnel stack. And then there's things from there, we'll take them on, but that's the key, the principle concept. Does that make sense you guys? Hope it does, because that's the key. I want you guys to understand the funnel stacking is the future. Just like we went from single products to funnel, was the last two decades. The next decade is moving from a funnel to a funnel stack. And so, that's the key. If you want more info, I think I have a book I wrote back in the day called, "Funnel Stacking." And I think I have it as an ebook now. I might mess up my domain. I think if you to funnelstacking secrets.com, there's a free ebook there that shows you my funnel stack from book to webinar to high ticket. And it shows you the email sequences, the numbers, the breakdown, and kind of a cool thing that you can use if you're trying to think through your funnel stack. But anyway, just want you guys getting that in your mindset, and we'll talk more about it, especially Funnel Hacking Live and other places, but the big key right now is, as it was products to funnels, now we're going from funnels to funnel stacking. And those who can spend the most money to acquire customer will win, and those who can't are going to lose. And so, if you want to win this game, it's time to start learning these skills and become more advanced in your marketing. So hope that helps. Thank you guys for listening. That said, it's webinar day, wish me luck. And hopefully it's a webinar day for you wherever you are listening to this. If not, schedule a webinar. It gets people on it because webinar day is payday. It's the best day of the week. Thanks guys. And I'll talk to you soon.

Here is a trick to increase your stick rate, increase your perceived value, give you the ability to charge more, all while making your customers stick longer. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- Hey, what's up everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to The Marketing Secrets podcast. For today's episode, I want to quote myself. "If you are good at something, you should turn it into software." All right, everybody, hope you guys are doing awesome. I am heading home from the office today. And there's actually a really cool mastermind group that I'm part of, that meets once a year. And they have not met in almost two years now, because of the whole COVID thing. And they're meeting right now, and I'm not able to be there. And it's breaking my heart. But I got a message from my friend, Alison Prince, who is there. And she said, "You've been being quoted three or four times." I said, "What are people saying about me? My ears are burning. Tell me, tell me." And she said that someone quoted, and she read the quote, which was basically something I said last year. The event which is Whatever you're good at, just turn that into software. And I want to give you context, because this group is some of the best personal development gurus in the world. Literally, the who's who. You would know probably 95% their names. And most of them have courses. They got products. They got podcasts. They got YouTube channels. They got all these things where their teaching their stuff. And all of them have bigger reach, bigger following, bigger list, bigger everything than I do. But the reality is, I think, for the most part, I make more money than almost all of them. Not all of them. There's a couple that I'm gaining on. But as a whole, pretty substantially, I make more money than most of them. And when they were talking about last time, I was like, "You guys are all brilliant. You have these ideas. You have these things, but you're selling it as a course. And a course is good. But, man, if you could turn that course into software, it would change everything." And like, "Oh, that doesn't work for me." And I was like, "Yes." You have to understand their art is personal development, right? My art is building funnels. And so for years, I did courses, teaching how to build funnels, and how to lay them out, and how to write copy, and how to do these things. But it wasn't through until we turned our knowledge into software that my businesses went from good to insane, right? And you think about Funnel Scripts, right? We taught people how to write copy for decades. And nobody wants to buy copywriting, so we turned it into software, and boom, Funnel Scripts is a Two Comma Club ex-award winner. Talked about building funnels, and how to do it, and the strategy. But it wasn't until we turned into software that it blew up. I've watched Garrett White recently. Garrett White, if you know, he did live events where men came out to Wake Up Warrior. And he would take them down the beach, and he'd beat them up, and he would make them tough, and turn them into men. And it's amazing, right? And he did that for five or six years doing events every single month. And then, now he stopped those. He shut them down. And now he's turning what he does into software, where you log in to software, you do the thing, you read the thing, you read the message. You listen to the app, you check the thing off, and you're doing the things. And he's transitioning it from information to information blended into software. And so for you guys, I want you think about that. In fact, let me step back. One of my very first mentors, a lot of you guys know this, is Dan Kennedy and Bill Glazer were my first two big mentors. And in their company, Magnetic Marketing, they have a newsletter where they sell access to the monthly newsletter, right? And one of the things that Bill used to always talk to me about is he's like, "You have to have in any kind of continuity, you got to build in pain of disconnect." Meaning, it gets harder for somebody to leave, right? And he said, "The biggest problem in their business was there was no pain of disconnect." People were buying the newsletter, which was great, and it's great recurring income stream. But if something happened, right? Their credit card failed, some bills happen, whatever. First thing to go is info, right? This has been helpful, but I don't have to have this membership. I don't have to have this newsletter. I don't have to have these things for whatever reason. So they're able to cancel them really quickly and very easily, because there's no pain of disconnect. Whereas, ClickFunnels right now, when someone gets an account to ClickFunnels, and set up their site, they set up their funnel, and things are happening in their thing. They have their email list, and they've got things happening. If things shift, and things get hard, and things happen, the last thing they're going to cut is ClickFunnels because the pain of disconnect is so high. They stop paying their bill to ClickFunnels, their business falls apart, right? I remember in the continuity business, when we were doing membership sites and stuff, people would go three, or four, or five months, stop paying. We've been hounding him, trying to get him to pay things like that. Whereas, ClickFunnels is opposite, right? Someone stops paying, sites go down. And within five minutes, they're calling us like, "Oh, here's my credit card. Let me update it." Right? It just shifts the thing, because the pain of disconnect is so high. And so, the problem traditionally with information products, or coaching, or things like that is that there's no pain of disconnect, right? People have it, they can cancel it. And it's simple to do because there's no pain of disconnect. But as soon as you take your course, right? And you turn it into software. Now someone's logging in, they're going in, they're filling out things or taking notes. They've got things they're building up. Now all these things are there. They're stored in the spot. And if they were to cancel, they lose all this information, right? And so, how do you turn your knowledge, the things you're good at into software? I just want you guys thinking about that. We've done it a couple of times this year. One of them recently, and the site's not live yet. It maybe live by the time you guys hear this. But if you go to braindump.com, we have a process that we use to brain dump, and get the ideas out of our head. And we taught it to people. I showed them how to use it in Trello. I showed people how to do it in different ways, to do in Google Docs. And this is how we brain dump our ideas to write a book, or create a course, or do different things like that. And it was good. Some people paid for us, most people wouldn't, because it was like, "How would I pay you to show me how to brain dump my ideas?" And so, we took this idea, this skill set, this knowledge we have, we turned into software. And the software now allows you to brain dump stuff. And what's cool about it is, number one, it makes the process so much simpler, so much easier. I can just give it to people. They can do it very fast, very easily, which is exciting. That's number one. My number two, is now there's a pain of disconnect. If you spend a week, or a month, or year brain dumping your ideas into our software, you don't want to cancel, because if you do, you lose all the stuff you've brain dumped, right? You lose all your notes, your ideas, all that stuff disappears with you. And so, the pain of disconnect is very, very high. Whereas, if you bought a training course, let's say, you're paying 30 bucks a month to go through my course in how to brain dump your ideas. After month number one, I get the gist, right? I already listened to it or I don't need it any more, whatever. It is easy to cancel. Whereas, the software, now you're part of it, you're probably going to use it forever, right? And so, just want you thinking through those things, right? How do you take what you know, and turn into software? When you do that, you're going to increase your valuations. Your company will be worth more. You increase your stick rates. Your stick will be longer. You increase happiness. People feel the increased perceived value, software feels more expensive than courses, and about a million other things. So anyway, I thought it was cool because they quoted me today during the mastermind meeting. And I wanted to share the quote with you guys, since I'm not able to hang out with all my friends who are super cool. And literally, these people that are changing the world, and I can't be there with them, which is too bad. But at least, I'm doing something cool here as well. So anyway, I don't want to complain about not being there. I stood back for a very important and very cool reason, so no stress. But hopefully, that helps you guys. With that said, I'm home, I'm going to play with my kids, which is the number one reason why I was not able to go. I'm going to go have some fun with them. So appreciate you guys. Thanks so much for listening. And go figure out how to turn your ideas into actual software. Thanks so much everybody. And we'll talk soon.

Weird Gucci shoes pic got me 120K views. What I learned and what I would do differently next time. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- What's up, everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secret Podcast. Today, I want to talk about the concept of capitalizing on momentum. All right, so I had a really unique experience. Some of you guys know that by default I wear a t-shirt and jeans almost every day, but then for Funnel Hacking Live I used to try to dress up. And so I'd buy my own clothes and I didn't know how to buy clothes and so I would just... Anyway, looking back now, it's embarrassing looking at what I thought was nice. But I feel like the third or fourth Funnel Hacking Lives, one of my friends, Bart Miller, was like, "Hey, can I dress you because you're embarrassing yourself and everybody else?" And I was like, "Okay." And so he started dressing me, and it's been a fun experience. I'm not comfortable with most things he tries to put me in like suit jackets and all sorts of fancy things. But I've got my spot where I'm like, "Okay, here's Russell dressed up. I'm wearing nice jeans. I'm wearing a shirt. I'm not tucking it in though." The shirt may have cuff links because those are cool. I'm probably even in the cool watch. That's cool. And probably some cool shoes. But that's about the extent of where I'm going to go. And so once a year we go shopping and we buy a bunch of cool stuff. I wear it at Funnel Hacking Live and then I wear it every time I'm on stage for the rest of the year. And then usually, by the time it's been a year, those clothes have been worn out and then I go buy new clothes. And so that's how I run my fashion. The Russell Brunson fashion happens that way. So, anyway, it's funny. But I had a really cool experience this time. Again, every time we're shopping, I'm way out of my comfort zone. I don't know what half these things are. I didn't know what Gucci was. I didn't know, you know what I mean? I don't know anything about brands or fashion or anything. I remember the first time we walked into a Gucci Store five years ago, I was like, "No, I'll never wear something like this ever in infinity years." The shoes have bugs on them and fur and weird stuff, and I was like, "Yeah." But anyway, last time, two years ago I went into Gucci and they're these cool looking tennis shoes that were ClickFunnels colors. I was like, "Sweet. We'll get those. I mean, I can wear tennis shoes that look like ClickFunnels." And they were awesome. And so I've broadened my horizon to some of the weird brands that are out there. Anyway, so this year, we went back into the Gucci store and, again, they had a couple of cool not weird shoes that were in between. I'm like, "Okay, these are cool." And there are these one pair, they were sneakers. And they were weird colors like blue and yellow. And so they had me trying them on. I got one of my size, but one on each foot. I put the yellow or the blue on the right foot and the other one on the left foot. And I'm sitting looking at them, I'm like, "I have no idea if these shoes are cool or lame or whatever." And instinctively, I grabbed my phone and I took a picture just to send it to my wife Collette who was shopping somewhere else. I was like, "Are these cool or are these lame. I don't even know." So I sent it to her, and then at the same time, I was like, "I'm going to post this on Instagram." So I posted it on Instagram, and on Instagram you can do like a voting thing. So I put it an Instagram and I was like, "Yellow or blue? Just vote whatever it is." So I post that, and then I go back, put the shoes away, and we go continue shopping. Anyway, so there's the backstory, in case you guys were thinking Russell's spending infinity dollars at Gucci every single day. That's not the reality. The reality is, it's still weird to me and I just happened to be trying these shoes on, posted a picture, and had people vote. So, that's the story. Then, two hours later, I open Instagram and I open the thing where it shows you the score of people voting. And at the time, 70,000 had voted or had seen the thing. And I was like, "What?" I've never had 70,000 people view one of my stories. That was in two hours. And then I looked down and it had 10,000 had voted, or whatever it was. And it kept going, kept going, and by the time the 24 hour window had gone and it disappears from my Stories 120,000 people had seen it. I think 35,000 people had voted on it. And it was crazy. So, that happened, and after it happened, and again I still don't exactly how it happened, I have some ideas and things, but for some reason, the Instagram algorithm is like, "This is getting a high percentage of votes. Therefore, it's good. Therefore, we should show it to everybody that Russell knows. Plus, we should probably post it on the search feed and other places like that." Anyway, it blew up. And then what's crazy is, I get this huge momentum surge and then stupid Russell doesn't even think and then my next couple Insta Stories are me eating food or doing stupid things and that was it. And then, again, I'm not even paying attention, and then the next day come back and I look and, again, 120,000 views, 30,000 votes. And I was like, "Man, that is crazy that happened. I still don't know how it happened." And then I looked at my next Story, and my next Story had 60,000 views on it. The next one had 40,000, then 30,000. And the ones that had 60,000, 40,000, 30,000 were me doing stupid things that didn't even matter and I missed the momentum. I should've been like, "Hey, by the way, I'm going to be wearing one of these pair of shoes at Funnel Hacking Live. Swipe up to get your ticket." Or it could have been like, "Hey, if you want to learn how to afford Gucci shoes, go buy my book," or something to capitalize on the momentum, and I didn't I missed it, And I missed the window. Now, this is obviously a dumb, dorky example of a fluke thing where I posted and Insta Story, got a bunch of viewers for whatever reason, I had attention for literally 24 hours, and then it was gone after that. The next day, I tried to post something and my views went back down to, normally, I get, I don't know, 10,000 to 15,000 people to view a Story. So it dropped back to normal and I was like, "Ah, I missed my window." I had momentum, I could have had this amazing opportunity, and I lost out on it. So anyway, that's the context, but the lesson I want to teach you guys is just, there's times in our life where we get momentum, and it could be in sports, it could be in a relationship, it could be in business, you do something and something goes viral or something hits or you speak on stages and the big happens or you launch a podcast and tons of downloads or something, you do something, and it gets momentum. And I think so many times, we get so excited by the momentum that we don't try to capitalize on it. And it's actually capitalizing on the momentum is where you make money or something good happens from it. I know that there's so many times, like when ClickFunnels passed 50,000 members and we hired the Harmon Brothers to do this viral video and launched it and we did this big thing to get momentum. And we even brought in all these big influencers. We did the event and Gary V came and spoke at it. We did a bubble soccer event and got the Guinness Book of World Records thing. We did this big, huge thing, we got a whole bunch of momentum, and then we didn't capitalize on the momentum. Afterwards, we were like, "Oh, we had all these influencers there and we didn't get them to promote it. We didn't do interviews with them. We didn't do these things. We had the momentum and we didn't capitalize on it." And, looking back, oh, we probably lost literally millions of dollars sometimes because we didn't capitalize on the momentum. And so if you look at your business, there's two things when you're trying to drive traffic and create attention. There's two things you're doing. You're going to do things to create momentum, and then you've got to capitalize on that momentum. I look at a lot of influencers who are really good at creating momentum, but then they don't capitalize. Where people are really good at capitalizing on no momentum and they're just buying ads and making money that way, but there's a sweet spot where you can do things to organically create momentum and then capitalize at the same time. And it's that yin-yang of those two things. There's a sweet spot there where you can really have some big success. And so a couple of things I'd recommend from this. Number one is started thinking about, what are things I can do to create momentum? By me knowing that me posting a yellow and blue Gucci shoe and have people vote, I'm like, "Oh my gosh, people like these dorky little quizzes I didn't know about." And if the quiz turns out good, Instagram's going to reward it and I'm going to get 120,000 people to watch it. Now that I know that, guess what I'm doing? Knowing this is the way to get momentum, I'm going to start looking at things differently and how do I do things? Similarly, oh, I said that word right I think, last year, we did a video where I was telling my story and we had hired these actors to act it out and we did it and it got five million views. That created a bunch of momentum and then we didn't capitalize on it. So I'm like, "Okay, how do we do that again? We create Stories." But then, the first thing creates the momentum and the second thing comes back through and it capitalizes on the momentum. How do I structure those things? And so part of is looking at things like, what are the things you've done in the past that have created momentum? Can you do them again? What are things that other people do to create momentum? Can you model those to create the momentum? And then the second half is, as I create the momentum, be prepared now to capitalize on the momentum on the other side. And that's the other side of it. So, anyway, I wanted to share that. Hopefully, it gets the wheels in your head spinning, because I think that as you consciously start paying attention to that like, how can I create the momentum and then how can I capitalize on it? That's when you have success. You don't have success when you randomly just create momentum like I did and then you're not prepared to capitalize on it. I missed a big opportunity. But, man, if you can get those two things where you start looking at like, what are the things I can do to create momentum? What are the different levers, the things, the ideas, the things I can tweak, I can effect that, cause that? And then being prepared on the other side to capitalize on it. So hopefully, that helps you guys as you're thinking about it. Because traffic, I'm going to go buy Facebook ads. That's good. But how can I buy Facebook ads to create momentum? What are the other things I can do to create momentum? What are posts I can make that get people to share and to comment to create momentum? What are these different things? You start thinking differently and it gets really exciting. So, anyway, I hope this helps. I know that when I get excited I talk fast. This is an eight minute podcast and I probably jammed 30 minutes of stuff into it. So if you need to go back and listen on half speed, please do that. But hopefully it gets the wheels spinning of just, what are the things you can do every single day? 120,000 views off of a picture of my shoes, that would have cost me 20 grand in Instagram ads to get that same amount of views, and I didn't capitalize on it because I missed it. And so just thinking through those things and crafting them and testing things out and having fun with it. That's the game we get to play every day, guys. It's so much fun. I hope you're enjoying the game. If not, start looking at it as a game again. This is fun, this is something that should be exciting, all these crazy things. The fact that I posted that picture and got that many views is crazy, but that's part of the game. That's the fun part of the game. So I hope this helps. I hope it gets the wheels in your head spinning. With that said, thanks so much for listening and I'll talk to you guys all again soon. Bye, everybody.

Here are some fun things you can do to launch businesses literally overnight. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- What's up, everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. I got a question for you. Are you currently buying dead businesses? If not, you got to listen to this episode. All right, I'm not going to lie. I'm having so much fun on some side projects, which goes against everything that I preach. If you've been in my inner circle and if you've been to my coaching programs, I always tell people, "Focus on one thing, and you've got to kill the other babies." And so I understand I'm being a total hypocrite by doing this and talking about this, but alas, my ADD-ness needed an outlet, and so this is my outlet. It was either this or go watch a show on Netflix. I'm like, "All right, I'm just going to do this instead." So listen with caution, but hopefully, it gets you as excited. So during COVID, all sorts of chaos happened. At the same time, there were a lot of really good businesses that went out of business because, honestly, the entrepreneurs who were running him don't know how to run funnels. That's literally it. And now that recently all the iOS updates and all the fighting between Apple and Facebook and stuff, the game is getting harder. And guess what? The people who are good at funnels are the ones who are winning. That's it because the people who are really good at funnels can spend more to acquire customer and everybody else. And so, if you haven't mastered the funnel game yet, you have to learn it, or else you're not going to survive. And luckily for my funnel hackers, I've been teaching and training you guys for a long time. And most of you guys are rockstars, and you get it, therefore, you're having success. But for those who aren't, they're going to be out of business soon. And it leads to a really interesting, really cool, really fun opportunity for people like us, where we can take our funnel building skills, look at cool businesses that once we're profitable, that no longer are because the market changed and they weren't able to shift, and you can come in, and you can do some really cool things with it. I want to give you guys a couple of case studies. I'm not going to tell you the details on anyone because none of them were live-live yet, but they're all close to live, and they're exciting. So there was one supplement company that I was really excited by, and I was a customer for a long time, and then they went out of business. And I started buying that supplements products because their sales video was so good. Right? It went out of business. And then the next three or four years, I kept messaging the old owner like, "Why'd you take it down?" He's like, "Ah." They had their reasons. And I was like, I" want to buy it. I want to buy it." And finally, this year, I was able to negotiate to buy the entire company for a fraction of what they spent on just the sales video back in the day. And now we're about two weeks away from relaunching that brand and that company, which is so exciting. We literally just took it, took the formulas, tweaked it a little bit, took the sales video that was good, built out a funnel, and now we've got this new asset that's literally, we just can turn ads on, and it'll print money for the rest of my life until we sell it or something. But it's exciting. Another thing is another supplement I was taking that was one of my favorite supplements, and then during COVID, it stopped coming. And I messaged the owners, and they're like, "Oh, supply chain management issues. We had to shut down." And I was like, "I love this company. I want to bring the brand back. If I help finance it, can we bring it back?" And we figured out a deal. And now I'm an owner of that company, and that's about to launch as well. And then another, there was this really cool T-shirt company that I used to love. It was so exciting. And then the other day, I went to buy a T-shirt from them, and the site was down. I was like, "What?" And so I went, and I found the site, I found the owners, and I was like, "Dude, you guys, why is the site down?" Like, "Oh, we shut it down." And so I made an offer, and I bought it for insanely low price. And we bought the entire T-shirt company, which is exciting. And that's rolling out soon, But there are millions, literally millions of deals like this out there. And somebody asked me, like, "I don't know how to find them. I don't know how to look for them." I would start opening your eyes. There are so many of these deals out there where you can take them, put a funnel on them, and boom, you're back in business. And there's tons. In fact, one of the ways I used to do this back in the day, it's been a while since I did this, but I used to go to ClickBank, and ClickBank has their marketplace. And the marketplace is interesting because they rank things based on what's selling the most. Right? So like page one, you see the number one seller, number two, number three, all the way down to 10. But what I would do is I would go to like page 99. And you go back there, and there's some amazing offers that, one time, were amazing, but for whatever reason, the person stopped driving traffic to it. They may have done a product launch. They did something, and it's just sitting there. And it's basically dead. I can't tell you how many of those old offers I would go to like, "The copy's good. The funnel's good. The product's good." I messaged the owner. I'm like, "Hey, what's happened to this product." They're like, "Oh, our Facebook account got shut down," or, "Hey, I did an initial launch, and then we just don't have any traffic." They don't have enough Facebook ads or a million different reasons why. Right? Or maybe there was an upsell and a down-sell, so Facebook ads didn't work, and so they just need an upsell. If they just applied some funnel techniques, it'd be good. Or, "Hey, we could plug a challenge funnel in front of this thing, and that's the product we sell at the back of it. And the product is great." And I'd find these things way deep, buried In ClickBank's marketplace, and message the people. And then come back to them and be like, "Hey, number one, can I buy it from you?" Which is going to be more expensive because you're going to buy the domain, the brand, all that kind of stuff. Or number two is like, "I don't want to actually buy this from you. Can I license it from you?" And then you may be like, "What's the licensing?" And it's like, "Well, basically, I'm going license to sells it. I'm going to license the product and license all the things." And a lot of times, it's really, really cheap to license at all, and then you can create your own brand out of it. And I've had literally dozens of deals like that, where I spent less than a thousand dollars to license somebody's entire business and product. I got the ebook. I got the course. I got the sales, and I got everything for a thousand bucks, and it's something they probably spent 20 grand launching five years earlier. And it's still good. It just needs to be polished. It needs to be plugged into a funnel. It needs some traffic. It needs an upsell. It needs a down-sell. It needs something, but that's it. And there are so many opportunities and deals like that out there that I think most of us are forgetting or missing. So start looking at what are the businesses out there that are struggling? What businesses have been shut down? What things did you use to buy that you no longer can buy? Could you buy the company? Could you license the product? Could you become a reseller? Could you apply your funnel knowledge to it? I've seen tons of people who got out there, taken really good products that are selling in one way. And they go and license it and then plug it into a funnel, and they own all the online distribution or the funnel distribution. Right? They find authors who are selling books on Amazon and have no funnel. And they come, and they build the funnel for them. And then they give a royalty back to the author, but then they own the thing. Right? There's so many ways to make money in this game. And so anyway, I feel like my ADD dabble a little bit in some of these fun things. And like I said, we got two supplement brands and a T-shirt brand that are all launching from my ADD-ness, which is so much fun. So I guess that's better than watching Netflix. Anyway, so I just want to show it to you guys because maybe it'll get the wheels spinning. Some of you guys who don't have businesses yet, maybe are like, "Well, I get the funnel game. I just don't have a business yet." Well, cool. There's a couple of ways to go start a business from scratch really, really inexpensively, really quickly, and in a way where you don't do all the product development, or the copy, or all these things that maybe you're not as good at. You can find those things that are already finished, that are done, that are out there. I bet you 50 buck. In fact, I know this. If you go to flippa.com, F-L-I-P-P-P-A.com, there's hundreds of websites that are for sale. Also, Shopify has an exchange. I think it's called the Shopify exchange or something. If you go to Google, type in Shopify stores for sale, it'll pull up. It's a marketplace. Tons of you will have Shopify stores that are selling them. And I literally almost bought four or five of them last weekend. I was going through them all. I'm like, "Oh, my gosh." One was like Dollar Shave Club. It was like shaving stuff. It was like really cool shaving stuff. And there's also a beard club with all these beard things. I'm like, "I don't have a beard, but how cool if I bought a beard company and a shaving company, and I owned them both?" And they were super cheap. And basically, these guys created the brand, created the logos, created the products, launched it, didn't know how to actually drive traffic or sales. And all this stuff's done. All the hard work is finished. The suppliers, the manufacturers, the logos, the design, everything is done. They just have a Shopify store, which, as you guys know, is not going to make you nearly as much money as the funnel. I was like, "I'm just going to buy the Shopify store, plug the offers into a funnel, and boom, we're off to the races. And again, these are all skillsets that you guys have been learning here inside of our community. If you've been learning at Funnel Hacking Live, which, if you don't have your tickets yet, we're like 30 days away from that. Go to funnelhackinglive.com. But there's that. Right? There's the books. Right? If you've read the dotcom secrets book, you know how to do funnels. If you go to the one funnel-a-day challenge, if you've been incorporating into our community, you're learning the skillsets. You've just got to grab something and apply it to it. And it's literally the principle is universal. Right? Any product. And there's tons of out there, and you can start plugging it in so that you can go and you can create your own courses, which is an amazing way. You can go and get stuff off of Alibaba or Shopify, or excuse me, like from China. Or you can find people who already did, who already put together the store, who did all the hard work. They just don't know how to sell it. You can grab it, structure in a funnel, and boom, it's off to the races. I literally, my team, I sent them probably 30 of the Shopify stores I wanted to buy. And all of them would have been a cool little business that could be making, I don't know. Who knows? Five, 10 grand a month, just on autopilot by us just literally taking the products, plugging them into a funnel, getting an agency to drive Facebook ads to it. And then it just sends me money every single month. How fun is that? How cool is that? Are you guys getting this? This is what I'm talking about. This is why this game is so much fun. That's why I still can't sleep at night because this funnel game is expansive. It's always growing. It's so much fun. And anyway, I hope you guys are half as excited as I am. My goal is to keep you guys excited because this game is the best game that's ever been played. And you guys have a chance to play it at a level that nobody else in the history of all time has been able to do. Back in the day, people had to buy mailing lists and postage stamps, all sorts of stuff. Where you guys can literally just get a click funnels account, throw some things up, buy some Facebook ads, and you're in the game. That's it. It's so much fun. Anyway, I'm going to go. I just wanted to bring it up to you guys while I was having fun. Thanks so much for listening. Hopefully, it gets the wheels in your head spinning. I recommend go to flippa.com, and look for what's for sale. Go to ClickBank and scroll deep in the marketplace to the forgotten offers, and go find a forgotten often there and see if you can buy it from them, or you can license it from them. Go to Google and type in Shopify stores for sale. And again, I can't remember the name, but it's like a Shopify exchange that has all these Shopify store owners or people who did the whole thing, figured it out, got all the hard work done, and couldn't figure out how to make money with it. Now they're listing it for sale, and you can buy it. So many cool ways, so many fun things you can do. I hope this helps. And that's all I got. Thanks, guys. I appreciate you all for listening. Thanks for being part of our community. Get your tickets to Funnel Hacking Live. Again, it's at funnelhackinglive.com, before we are sold out. And I'm actually spending a lot of time at Funnel Hacking Live, talking about this and these unique opportunities. I call it virtual real estate. We're going to talk about virtual real estate and how to find it, and where it's at, and what you can do with it, and a bunch of other cool things. So that's all I got. Appreciate you all. Thanks for listening and hanging out, and we'll talk to you all again soon. Bye, everybody.

A new way to look at the “big domino” and how it'll help you function as an entrepreneur. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody, good morning. This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. Today, I want to talk about something that I know all of us entrepreneurs deal with a lot, which is pressure and noise. If you listen to Alex Charfen, if you studied him, the entrepreneur personality type, he talks a lot about how entrepreneurs, when you are able to lower pressure and noise, you can do greatness. You can change the world, but when the pressure and noise gets higher, it gets really difficult. And oftentimes it turns into chaos and into bad things. And so I talk about that during this episode, because I'm in definitely a state of increased pressure noise and I want to talk about what I'm doing to deal with it and how it's helping. So with that said, I'm going to cue up the theme song. When we come back, we're going to dive deep. All right. So sure, like most of you and every... Okay, what step you are in your entrepreneurial journey? If you are beginning, if you are growing, if you are scaling, if you are selling, if you are buying, if you were like, whatever you're doing, there are times when you have increased pressure and noise. And Alex Charfen's one of my friends, I love his stuff. He was one of our head coaches for two comma club, X coaching program for a while. And he has a whole message, he talks about entrepreneurial personality types, EPT as he calls it, people like us. and he always says, "You're not broken, you're not weird, you're just different. You're and entrepreneur and that's okay." And in his teachings, he talks a lot about just how entrepreneurs, a lot of times we think we're crazy. And like a lot of times entrepreneurs are the ones who snap and go crazy and go off the deep end and other times they're the ones who are creating the most amazing things in the world. And he talks about there's this fine line between greatness and chaos, right? And for entrepreneurs, the biggest thing you do is you have to if you can decrease the pressure noise around you, then you can succeed. But when the pressure noise goes up, that's where you typically, they crash and burn. If you think about if you've had a chance to crash and burn a business or two, you probably know it was during a season or a time of increased pressure noise, and it's hard to handle it. And that's when things happened, right? That's why it's so important to build a team and to have people around you and things help support you to decrease the pressure noise so you can succeed. So there's a little mini chunk out of Charfen's training so you guys understand kind of the context I'm talking about. But in my life over the last 30 days, has been an insane, increase in pressure noise. I can't talk about all the things, but people I love who I work with daily, or who have had health issues that I was not expecting, there's that. And then we just finished our first acquisition and we were in the middle of our second acquisition, so new companies coming in. We also have Funnel Hacking Live in 30 days. We also have a new coaching program that we are changing. We also have, I can't tell you all the things, there's a lot of stuff and it's exciting. And it's partially, it's the most exciting time of the business, right? I just have so many fun things and so many things I'm excited for it. But then on the other side, man, between all these things, I was not planning over the last 30 days the pressure and noise and things have gone up dramatically. And I don't know about you guys, but it's made it for me it's hard to sleep at night. I lay there in bed I'm so tired but I can't sleep because there's just these things happening and all the stuff and the stress and all the balls you're juggling, you don't want to drop them, right? And I'm curious, have you guys ever felt that before? And for me, the last month it's been hard to sleep. And then I come into the office and there's so many things to do that half of them I don't know where to start and there's this and there's this and there's this and all of them are on fire. And it's overwhelming sometimes. And so it's interesting because by default I want to get things done so I go and I start working, I'm trying to get task after task. But it seems like an insurmountable thing. And so earlier this week, I had a thought, and you guys have heard me talk about the big domino before, right? In every sales presentation, it's one big domino. If you can knock down that one domino, it takes care of everything else and all the other dominoes fall down. And it's true in selling, but it's true in a lot of aspects of life, right? And I started looking at all my big, huge tasks and all the things. Each to do had like 500 little sub to do's. Instead of looking at all the sub to do's, I started looking at the bigger tasks with bigger project and saying, "Okay, what's the one big domino I can do that's going to knock down all these little tasks?" There's no way I can do all of them, it's virtually impossible. What is the big domino or who is the big domino? Who is the person that's going to come that could take this off of my plate? What's been interesting is to be able to look at this differently, I've had to completely slow down, which has been hard for me because I'm like, "I'm not going to make it to the finish line if I stop." But at the same time, I'm not going to make the finish line no matter what. So, it's forced me to stop and say, "I got to find the person or the thing or whatever that's going to knock this thing down." It's made me sit there in my thoughts for a lot longer, which has been good. And I've often thought of how do I get done with the task? The thought is like, "Who is the person I can find it or what's the process or thing I need to do that gets rid of all the other tasks so I can actually make it to the finish line?" And as I've been doing that, it's been interesting because sometimes you ask better questions, you get better answers. And so that's the question I started asking. And all of a sudden the answer started coming clear and it was like, "Okay, well if I had a person for here, this would make all these things disappear." I'm like, "Well, who's the person for that? I don't know somebody." And it's like, "Okay, let's think." And sitting in your thoughts and thinking and thinking and praying and thinking and trying to figure things out. And all of a sudden it's like, "Oh, what about this person? Or how about this? Or how about this?" Or literally one of the things was a text message from a friend who was like, "Hey, there's this person you should meet." And it's like, "Oh my gosh, that person I think is the big domino is can knock down this set of things for me." And it's been interesting because this week I had a whole task list of stuff I had to get done and I had not had a chance to do my tasks yet. But I've had longer meetings, which I hate meetings. Typically, I have slow two to three hour meetings with certain people to build a relationship, to be able to hand the reins to somebody to then go and knock down the domino for me. And I can tell you Friday was the first time this happened. I remember leaving Friday and it was the first night I was just not stressed. When I left, I was like, "Oh my gosh, this might be possible." And today I did it again and it's like, "Okay, this might actually be possible." And it wasn't for me speeding up or spending more hours or doing more things. It was me stopping, stepping back and trying to figure out the big domino. So for you guys, as you are entrepreneurs and you have increased pressure noise, and you're stressing about all the things, I want to encourage you to slow down, or maybe even stop for a moment and look at those tasks differently. Not from "How in the world am I going to get get this done, where am I going to find the extra time?" But, "Who is the big domino or what is the big domino that if I can figure that out, it makes all these other ones irrelevant." And that's been the thing for me that's keeping me sane. It's getting me excited and helping me to now finally starting to see the finish line again. Like, "Oh my gosh, it's there, I can see it, it's possible, you're saying there's a chance I could actually make it to the end." And so, as I'm getting through that and again, I spent two and a half hours meeting somebody today and I'm like, "Oh my gosh, I feel better. I'm going to probably sleep tonight a little bit. I'm pumped about that." It made me think I'm going to stop for a second and just do a quick podcast for my people, because I'm sure some of you guys are in that same season. If you're not now, you will be soon. And so just remembering the big domino concept in a way that you can solve these kind of problems for yourself. So I hope that helps, I hope that was useful. I'm grateful for all you guys for listening, for subscribing, for paying attention. I'm trying to serve you at my highest level and sometimes it's overwhelming, but I feel like we're doing good work. And I feel like the fruits of this stuff that we're creating for you guys right now is going to change a lot of lives, hopefully your life. So keep your eyes out. Everything from Funnel Hacking Live until January of 20, whatever next year is, 2022, it's going to be a crazy ride. You'll see a lot of stuff happened and it's going to be, fun. So I'm pumped. I'm pumped to show you what we've been working on. That's all I got. There's the tease. All right, appreciate you all each for listening and we'll talk to you all soon. Bye, everybody.

On today's episode you will hear part 4 of 4 of Russell's interview with Andrew Warner about the Clickfunnels start up story. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- Hey everyone, this is Russell Brunson. Welcome to the 4th and final installment here of the interview with Andrew Warner at the Dry Bar Comedy Club, where he's going deep into the Clickfunnels startup story. I hope you've enjoyed it so far. You know, throughout this entire interview, it was really fun. He brought my wife onstage and some of my partners onstage, and brought other people who didn't like me at first onstage and kind of shared all these things. I hope all you guys are enjoying it and really enjoying this interview. I hope that this starts making you think about your startup story. Some of you guys are living your startup story right now, and maybe you're depressed or nervous, or scared, or afraid or whatever. And hopefully this gives you motivation to know that I was there too. In fact, I'm still there many times, but it's okay and it's part of the game and part of the process. And someday you'll look back and you'll have someone like Andrew interviewing you about your startup story and you'll be so grateful for the trials and things you're going through now. So with that said, we're going to queue up the theme song, when we come back we'll listen to part 4 of 4 of the Clickfunnels startup story interview with Andrew Warner at the Dry Bar Comedy Club. Andrew: And I know a lot of you have asked me what's coming up next and Russell's going to talk about that, how you're going to get to Sales Force level, but why don't I take a couple of questions from someone. Is there anyone who's been sitting here going, “I can't believe Andrew didn't ask that.”? Is there anyone who has something standing out for them? Should we just have them onstage. Unknown person: We got mic's. Andrew: We got mic's from over there, okay. Audience member: Alright, a little bit deeper of a question. What is something, I know you're strong in your faith, family, God, I mean kind of all around, what's something that's really made you who you are? You've mentioned before that made you as a marketer with your dad, you're up late watching an infomercial. But what's something that inherently that could have been experienced, maybe a quote in the back of your mind that's just driven you, it could have been something that your parents taught you when you were young. What is, is there, it's kind of a little bit difficult of a question to look back, there's probably a million things. But what are one or two that really stick out, that make you the person that you are? Russell: I have a million thoughts just racing through my head. The one that just popped in the front, so I'll share that one, hopefully it's good. I remember when I was a kid my dad gave me a job to go clean the car. I went out there and I cleaned the car, I did my best job, I thought. And I came back in and I was like, “Hey dad, it's clean. Can I go play?” I was like, “Come look at it.” So he could let me go out and play. And he was like, “Well, is it good? Are you proud of it?” and I'm like, “I don't know.” And he's like, “Well, are you proud of it.” I was like, “I don't know.” And he's like, “Go work on it until you're proud of it, then come back and let me know.” And I was like, oh man. So I go back out, and I was like, “Am I proud of this?” and I was thinking about it, I guess technically I'm really not that proud of it. So I was like trying to do more things, trying to clean it better, and to the point where I was actually proud of it. And then I came back and I'm like, “Dad, okay the car's clean now.” And he's like, “Are you proud of it.” I'm like, “I am.” And he's like, “Okay, you can go out and play then.” I think for me that was such a big thing because it was just like, that internal “Am I proud of this thing that I'm giving, that I'm putting out there?” and if not, keep doing it until you are. And I don't know, that was one of those little weird dad moments that he probably didn't mean as a teaching opportunity, but definitely has been big for me ever since then. Andrew: Good question. Is there one on this side? While you're finding a person who has a question, Whitney, did you have more to say? You were going to ask more, right? Yeah, can you get the mic over to Whitney, please? She's right over here. I know I didn't ask your full question. Whitney: Hi Russell, how are you? Russell: Awesome, how are you doing? Whitney: Good. So with your business, what is, back to like when you were first starting, I kind of want to know, what's the one thing when your business was really hard, when you were really struggling, what's the one thing that kept you going? Just in the back of your mind. And then I have a second part of that. What would you say was your biggest failure and what was the greatest lesson you learned from it? Russell: That's not an easy question. Andrew: The biggest failure. Russell: Oh man. So the first question was, what was the first one again? Thinking about the biggest failure, I'm trying to…Oh, what kept it going? Andrew: Give me a sec. Are you going through that now? You are, what are you going through right now? Can you stand up and get close to the mic? I can see that this is a meaningful question for a reason. What's going on? Be open. Whitney: I'm just trying with my business, I'm trying to get my message out there. I'm really, I'm just baby parts of Clickfunnels, so I'm just figuring out how to do a funnel still. But my company is called Creating Powerful Women, so I am just trying to teach women how to grow a business while they grow their family at the same time. And I'm doing that right now, because I have 3 little tiny girls. So I'm just like, okay, I'm still trying to figure out this myself and then teach women how to do it at the same time. So it's just, I'm still in that struggle phase. Andrew: Is it partially because you feel like an imposter, how can I tell them what to do? That's what I was saying to you earlier. Whitney: When I don't even know. Yeah. {Crosstalk} Whitney: I feel like I need to have that success level before I can teach women to go out and do it. But the reason when I found you in the hall, and I said, “I want Russell to be vulnerable and tell like the nitty gritty parts of the story.” And those stories are what make people relatable to you, that's kind of where I'm at, as I realize that I grow a bigger following and a bigger audience when I'm more relatable to them, which I realize I don't need to be up at that level to do that. Andrew: I get that. Russell: So my question for you is, have you been working with women? Helping them so far? Tell me a story of someone you've helped. I'm curious. Whitney: So I went through post partum depression a couple of years ago, after I had a baby and a lot of the women I've been reaching out to when I shared those stories, those women have been coming to me saying, “Hey, how do you get through this struggle? I know you've gotten past that, so I want to hear the hard stories that you went through.” So a lot of the people who I've been coaching one on one have been people who have gone through those exact same things  that I have. Russell: Okay when you do that, and you share the stuff with them, and that clicks for them, how does that feel? Whitney: Like I'm fulfilling what I was put on this planet to do. Russell: That's the thing. That's the thing that keeps me going. It doesn't happen often, but it happens often enough that I crave that. I'm super introverted, so it's always awkward for people to come to me, but I still love when they come to me and they're like, “Hey, just so you know real quick…..” Like last night, we were in San Francisco, or San Diego, excuse me. Someone came up to me in the hall and I was kind of like, I'm nervous to talk to you but you're going to talk to me. And he said, “Hey, just real quick, you legitimately changed my life, you changed my family.” And started tearing up. And I was just like, I let myself feel that just for a second and then I go back to the awkwardness, but for a second I feel that. And It's just like ahh. That's what it's about you know. I use Voxer for my coaching clients. So every time they Vox me and say something like that, there's a little star button and I star it and it stores them in this huge thing of all the starred ones. So now days I'll go back and I'll listen to that and I'll listen to people like 2 years ago that said something about how something I did effected them, and it's just like, that feeling. Because everything we do in this life is for feeling's right. Everything is just a feeling we're looking for. We eat because we want a feeling. We did this because we, I wanted a feeling. We're doing everything for a feeling. So it's like if I can remember the feelings of the thing I'm trying to get, and I can experience it again, then it, that's what gets me and keeps me going.  And I think that any of us that are lucky enough to have those feelings, a lot of times we forget about them. No, remember that because that's the thing, when it's hard and it's painful and it's dark, it's that feeling that's just like, that's the, you remember that and you let yourself experience it again for a minute. And then for me, that's like, okay, I can get back up and I can go again. Andrew: Great question, I'm glad you asked it. How about one more over there? You know what, yeah, let's give her a big round of applause, please. Audience member: I was actually going to ask a little bit about that vulnerability. I was surprised, I'm big in the SAAS space, I've been to Dream Force, follow a lot of Clickfunnels. It's pretty rare to see a CEO want to put themselves kind of on the roasting side of things. You're from here, from Sandy. I was just kind of surprised, what was it that really compelled you to kind of want to come back and do this in Utah? When I saw your email I thought it was a clickbait scam. Russell: Oh it is, we're selling you something next. Audience member: I really thought I was going to come and it was going to be a video of your face spinning and it was going to be like, “Hi, we're here.” Because I follow Clickfunnels, but it's just really rare, especially being down in Utah county, that was kind of unique that way. Andrew: Wait, one sec. Does Clickfunnels allow me to actually place someone's city in the headline, like I want someone from San Francisco, you could. Oh, alright, I get it. Audience Member: It said like Idaho, we're in the surrounding areas, it's going out to 8000 people, limited seating. So as a marketer I was just like, is this a real thing? You know. So I showed up and I was excited to see you. But why come back to Utah, what does this event mean to you and why want to be vulnerable and kind of open up? I learned a lot about you personally that was great to hear from a business side. Russell: So my beliefs are, and I believe we have the best software company in the world, so I'm going to start with that. But if it's just about the software, then it comes down to who's got what feature. People are moving and shifting and changing because of the features. That's the thing. So Clickfunnels was like, no it has to be more and it has to be a thing. And it's interesting, people who sign up for Clickfunnels, who click on an ad, they come and sign up. That's why John can't do, it doesn't work that way. They sign up for a web, clickfunnels is a website builder for crying out loud. You boil it down, we are a website builder. That is boring. So people don't come for that. They stay for that. That's why they stay, that's why they stay. But they come because of a feeling, and they come because of a connection. I want to be able to take the videos from here because if I can more people who come through my funnels to hear this story, they're going to stick with Clickfunnels because they realize we have a soul. There's a reason behind this, it's not just the software company who's trying to make a bunch of money. We're actually, we have belief behind it. So that's why we do all these things. That's why I still write books. That's why we do videos. That's why we do vlogs. That's why we do this fun stuff, because it builds connection with people, and connection really keeps people staying, even if some other company's got a different feature than we do, or it's cheaper and we're more expensive, or whatever. So that's the big reason why we still do it. And then I thought it would be fun to come down here because I grew up not far from here and it's just kind of a fun thing. We've been working with the Harmon Brothers and we started another project with them and their family owns the Dry Bar Comedy Club, if you guys have ever watched Vid Angel, that's one of their families companies. When Vid Angel had their little hiccups, they shifted all the programming to this, the Dry Bar Comedy Club, so we used to watch all the comedians here. And I was like, this is like the coolest location to do something like this. And one of the other side jokes, I don't know if I shared this with you or if it was just in my head, but Andrew is famous for doing these big scotch nights, and as a Mormon I can't drink scotch. And I was like, what if we did this, but at a Dry Bar, just this funny play off of that? And it all worked out. Andrew: You know, usually at events I do scotch night afterwards and say, ‘Everyone come back to my room.' That's not going to go over very well. But Dave's been to mine. He drinks water and feels comfortable. We have good water for Dave. How about one more, then I want to get into the future. Audience Member: So you always talk about how, like for Clickfunnels you guys took like 6 tries to finally make it work, right. And how most of the time when you guys start something it doesn't work the first time, that's why you have audibles and all those things. So I was wondering as someone that, you know I'm starting and getting that, kind of like that lifts, what is the biggest thing that you see, versus like a flop funnel versus something that kind of takes off and explodes? What's the audible or the change that you normally do that shift or the message change or whatever it is, that makes it finally take off? Russell: Traditionally the difference between a funnel that works and doesn't work, I'd say it's probably 50% offer. Like if the offer's wrong it's not gonna, that's usually the first thing. But then if it's actually a good offer, that people actually want, second then is usually copy. So like what's the hook, those kind of things. And then design is probably 3rd. All that stuff that Theron and those guys didn't like at first. The things that, because it's not like we just made up this stuff, you saw 8000 funnels we tested and tried in the journey of 15 years of this, that now we know what things people convert on. So it's just like looking at stuff that you know is working and modeling it because you this structure works, this kind of thing. But usually when something is broken it's coming back and figuring out, this offer's not right. People didn't want it. And that was the problem with Clickfunnels. The offer, we took 4 or 5 times to get the offer right, and then as soon as the offer is right, you can tell when it's right because people will buy, even if everything else is bad, if your offer is amazing people will give you money for it, you know. So that's definitely the biggest part, and from there it's copy, then design, then all the little things that stress some people out, like me. Andrew: So I've got, we'll come back. I see there are a few people that have more questions; we'll come back to them in a moment, including you. I promise I'll do more. But you did tell me about all the different things you guys are working on now. Of all of them, what one is going to get you the closest to Sales Force level? Russell: That's a good question, there's so many things. So I would say, I'm going to ask you a question is that alright? Have you ever played bigger yet? Played bigger? Playing bigger?  Andrew: No, what do you mean by that? Russell: That's the name of the book right? Play Bigger? Andrew: Oh Playing Bigger, the book. No. Russell: Yes. So that's book's been interesting, if you guys haven't read it, it's one of the biggest ones as a team that we've been reading. But it's all about designing the category and becoming the king of that category. So I feel like we are the king of sales funnels, and that's our category, the thing that's going to be there. And then if you read through the book, the next phases are like, building out the ecosystem that supports you as the category. And the fascinating thing about sales force, if you look at it when, I probably shouldn't say this on video because someday Mark Benioff's going to watch this and be like, “I'll never give you money.” But sales force isn't great software, right. It's this hub that things are tied into, but the reason why they did 13 billion this year, they're trying to get to 20 billion is because they built this ecosystem. The ecosystem is what supports this thing and grows it up, and builds it. And that's like the next phase. So I think for us, it's like we have this, we have funnels which are the key. It's like the CRM for them, it's the central point. But it's then bringing all the ecosystem, it's building up all the things around it, right. Andrew: Letting other people create things on your platform, becoming a platform. Russell: Yes, becoming a true platform. Andrew: can you create a platform when what you want is the all in one solution when you're saying, “you don't have to plug in your chat bot to our software. We're going to be chat bot software.” “You don't have to plug in infusion soft, we've got email marketing in here or mail chimp.” Russell: It depends, because you look at Sales Force is similar too. They have their own things that they either acquire and bring them in, or they build their own, things like that. And I think it's a hybrid of that. I think it's, we allow people to integrate because some people have tools. We will, our goal is to always be the best sales funnel builder on planet earth. We may not be the best email auto responder in the world, we have one and that increases our revenue. And people who love us will use our email auto responder, but there may be some other one that's better. But it's not our big focal point. There may be a chat bot that's got more features and more things, that's not gonna be our focus to make it the best, but we've got one built in to make it. So theer will be, that's kind of our thought, that we will have the things included, so if people want to go all in they can use it. But if they love yours because of these things, they can still bring that and still bring it in. You know, and then as we grow, who knows what the next phase is. Is it acquisitions, finding the best partners? People that most of our members are using, start acquiring companies and bringing them in, internally similar to what Sales Force does, growing the platform. Andrew: Just keep letting people build on your platform and then does that make the platform more valuable, or do you guys get a share of the money that people spend on these external tools? Russell: Both, I think. Stripe for example, Stripe, I think we process 1.7 billion dollars through Stripe. We make over a million bucks a year from Stripe referral fees, for just letting them connect with us. So there's value on both sides because it makes the platform more valuable because people can use it easier, but we also make money that direction as well, and those type of things. Andrew: Okay, what is Actionlytics, Action… Russell: Actionetics. Andrew: Excuse me. Russell: So that was Todd's name. He loved that name. So Actionetics is, it's what we call internally, follow-up funnels. So we have sales funnels, which are page one, page two, page three, page four. Then a follow-up funnel is send this email, send this text message. “Here's the retargeting pixels, here's the thing.” So it's the follow-up funnels. It's all of the communication that's happened after somebody leaves the page with your audience. Andrew: And that's a new product that you guys are creating? Russell: Yeah, it's been, actually we make more revenue from Actionetics than we do from Clickfunnels right now. We've never marketed it outside though. Andrew: I can't get access to it, it asked me for my username and password. I said, I don't have that, so how do I sign up for it? Russell: it's only been in beta. So we opened up at Funnel Hacking Live, people signed up there. And then we kept it down for a year, then we opened it, so two Funnel Hacking Lives we opened it, and then my birthday we opened it. So that's it. But we have, it's over, 12-13 thousand members who have upgraded to that. And then we're probably a couple weeks away from the actual public launch where people will be to get, everyone will be able to get access. Andrew: And already people are spending more money on that than Clickfunnels? Russell: Yeah, because it starts at $300 a month versus $100. So it's the ascension up. So they go from $100 a month to $300 a month and then the new one, it scales with you. Because we're sending emails and Facebook message, it gives us an ability to grow with the platform as well, and not just have a $200 a month limit. Someone might pay $1000 or $5000 depending on how big their lists are. Andrew: You're really good at these upsells, you're really good at these extra features. How do you think about what to add? How do the rest of us think about it, based on what's worked for you? Russell: Okay, that's a great question, and everyone thinks it's a product, the question most people ask is, what price point should my upsells be? It has nothing to do with that. It has 100% to with the logical progression of events for your customer. So when someone comes to you and they buy something, let's just say it's weight loss. So they come to you and they buy a weight loss book right, and let's say it's about how to get abs. So they buy that, the second they put their credit card in and click the button, in their mind that problem has now been solved. I now have six pack abs, the second it's done. And people don't think that. So what people do wrong is the next page is like, “Cool, you bought my abs book. Do you want my abs video series?” it's like, “No, I just solved that problem. I gave you money. It's been solved.” So what we have to think through, for logical upsells is like, “okay, I just got abs, what's the next logical thing I need?” So it's like, “Cool you got abs now, but how would you like biceps? We can work it out. This is my training program to grow here.” For funnels it's like, here's this funnels software, or here's this book teaching you how to build funnels, but after you have a funnel you need traffic. So traffic's the next logical progression. So as soon as someone's bought something, the customer's mind, I believe, that problems been solved. And it's like, what's the new problem that's been opened up, because that problem's been solved. That's the logical… Andrew: I got my email addresses because of Clickfunnels, the next problem I'm probably going to have is what do I send to people? And that's what you're solving. What about this, fill your funnel, it's a new software. Russell: Yeah. Andrew: What is it? Russell: How do you know these things? That is good, you have been digging. So I'm writing my third book right now, it's called Traffic Secrets, and then on the back of it we have software that's called Fill Your Funnel, that matches how we do traffic with the book. So when someone reads the book, you login and the way we do traffic, we focus very heavily on influencers. We call it the Dream 100. So you come in and you login and you're like, “Here's the people in my market. There's Tony Robbins, there's Andrew..” you list all these people and it starts pulling all our data, scraping all their ads, their funnels, everything  and shows you everything that's happening in their companies, so you can reverse engineer it for what you're doing. Andrew: So if I admire what John is doing for you guys, I could put you in the software, you'll show me what you guys are doing, and then I'll be able to scrape it and do it myself. You're nodding. And you're okay with that? John: It's awesome. I'm excited. Russell: Excited. Andrew: Have you been doing that? Is that part of what's worked for you guys at Clickfunnels? John: Yeah, we like to, we call it funnel hacking. We like to look and see what other people are doing. Andrew: So you're actively looking to see what other, man as an interviewer that would be so good for me to understand what people are doing to get traffic to their sites. Alright, so… Russell: We buy everyone's product, everyone's. I bought Drew's like 6 times. Yeah, you're welcome. Just because the process is fascinating to see. Andrew: And then the book. What's the name of the book? Russell: Traffic Secrets. Andrew: Why is everything a secret? What is that? Russell: I don't know. Andrew: No, I feel like you do. I remember I think it was… Russell: It all converts, 100% because it out converts. Andrew: Because the word, “secret” out converts? In everything? Russell: Everything. I used to onstage be like, “The top three myths, the top three strategies, the top three lies, the top three everything” and like “secrets” always out converted everything else, and then it just kind of stuck. Andrew: And then that's the name of this book. I'm looking here to see…yeah, Melanie, she told me when you organized this event you said, “Secret project”. That's it. Russell: If I just tell people what's happening then they like, “Oh cool.” I need to have to build up the anticipation. Andrew: Even within your team? Russell: Especially within the team. Yes. Andrew: Especially. So secret is one big thing. What else do you do? Russell: Secrets, hacks… Andrew: No, within the team. So now you get them interested by saying it's a secret. Russell: So I'll tell them a story, I'll tell them the beginning of a story. I'll be like, “Oh my gosh you guys, I was listening, I was cleaning the wrestling room and I was going through this thing, and I was listening to Andrew and he was doing this campfire chat and it was amazing. And he's telling this whole story, and I have this idea, it's going to be amazing. But I'll tell you guys about it tomorrow.” So what happens now, is they've got a whole night to like marinate on this and be like, “What in the world?” and get all excited. And then when they show up, they're anticipating me telling them, and then when I tell them, then I get the response I want. If I tell them they're like, “Oh cool.” I'm like, no, you missed it. I need that, in fact, I'll share ideas all the time, I'll pitch it out there just to see. I know it's a good idea because Brent will be like, “I got chills.” Dave will start freaking out, and that's when I know, “Okay, that was a good idea.” If they're like, “Oh that's cool.” I'm like, crap. Not doing that one. It's the same thing. Andrew: I've heard one of the reasons that you guys hang out together is one, he's an extrovert and you're an introvert, but the other one is Dave will one up you. Russell: It starts the process. This is the bubble soccer event we did. Initially it was like we're going to have influences, or we were launching the viral video and like we need, let's bring some people into it. And then we were asking how someone could bring big influencers, like “you have to do something crazy. Like get a Ferrari and let them drive over it in a monster truck.” I was like, “That seems extreme.” I was like, “What if we played football on the Boise State Stadium?” And Dave's like, “What if we did bubble soccer? What if we tried to set a Guinness book of world records…” and then next thing we know, we're all Guinness book of world record champion bubble soccer players. It was amazing. Andrew: And that's the thing that I've heard about your office environment. That it's this kind of atmosphere where, see for me, look at me, I've got that New York tension. When I talk to my people and I talk to everyone it's like, “You've gotta do something already.” And you guys like fun, there's a ball pit or whatever in the office. Am I right? You go “we need a, we're gonna create a new office. Let's have a bowling alley in it and a place to shoot.” That's the truth. Russell: It is the truth. It's going to be amazing. Andrew: Does he also tell you, “We need to do something this weekend. Date night, it's a secret.”? Russell: Maybe I need to do more than that, huh. Andrew: Yes, does he use persuasion techniques on you? Russell: It doesn't work on her. Andrew: No. Russell: She's the only person I can't persuade. It's amazing. My powers are useless against my wife. It's unfortunate. Andrew: Do you actually use them, or when it comes to the house you go, “come on, I'm tired already, just…”? Russell: I tried to do something today and she was like, “That was the worst sales pitch ever.” I'm like, “Dang it. Alright, I'll try again.” Andrew: Hey Siri, text my wife “I've got plans for tomorrow night. So good, Russell just told me about it. I'll tell you later. Secret.” Period, send. Russell: That's amazing. Andrew: Wowee. Does anybody know how I can get a babysitter here. {Audience speaking indistinctly} Andrew: They're a little too eager to spend time with my kids. Thank you. Alright, I said I would take a few more questions. I know we're almost out of time here. Who was it, it was someone on the right here that was especially, you looked, uh yeah you, who just pointed behind you. Audience Member: Hi, okay, Russell I've been in your world since about 2016.. Andrew: Hang on a second, who the, I'm sorry to curse, but who the f**k comes to a software event and goes, “I've been in your world.”? This is amazing about you. I'm in San Francisco, there's nobody that goes, “I'm so glad I've been in the hubspot world.” It doesn't work that way. I'm sorry, I had to interrupt. Okay. I've been in your world. He's selling you software, you're in his world. Sorry. Audience member: You have to listen to his podcast, it's a.. Andrew: I've listened to his podcast. It's just him talking. Audience Member: He talks about it, it's a universe. He creates a universe. Andrew: You know what, here's the thing that blew my mind. I thought it was him in a professional studio, I saw him in San Francisco, he's talking into the voice recorder on his phone. Okay, yeah. I gotta feeling that Russell's going to go, at some point, “Religion is just an info product. I think I could do a better job here.” Alright, yeah. Audience Member: okay, I entered the Clickfunnels universe in 2016 and since that time, I came in with a lot of hopes and a lot of, it was just a really exciting experience to have you break down the marketing, you really simplified it right. So I see that, I'm an ambassador for the one comma club challenge right now, and people are coming in with such high hopes and such tremendous faith and trust in you. And I have a friends that I brought into it and everything and they're coming in, just like, they're really staking a lot on how they've persuaded to join your universe. Sorry, universe is the wrong word. But from that, I guess the question is, there's a few things. I think a lot of people are afraid of that type of responsibility in the products that they're delivering, and of course there is a tremendous failure rate of people who don't get what they're persuaded in. So there's a lot of magnification on the two comma club, and the people there that are the successes, but the question that I have is, the responsibility that you feel for that, I feel that you feel the responsibility because you're constantly looking for new ways to simplify, bring in new coaches, bring in the new team, make products and offers that are completely irresistible. Truthfully, I went to Funnel Hacking Live, I'm not spending any money, 20 thousand dollars later. I mean it was truthfully so irresistible, but you've crafted such unique things in an effort to truly serve that client and really get them to the place that they're looking to go. So I'm not sure if the question is coming out, but there's a lot of responsibility that all these bright eyed, bushy tailed you know, wannabe marketers are coming in really truthfully feeling the genuine just truth that you're telling them, but then there's a big crash and burn rate too, which is normal in that space. I'm not sure what the question is. Andrew: Congratulations  to the people in the two comma club, what about the people in the no comma club. What do you feel is a sense of obligation to the people who aren't yet there? What do you feel about that? Russell: Is that the question? Andrew: Is that right? Audience member: I guess the question is, there's two parts, one is the responsibility that other people are feeling, the fear that they're feeling to put something out there because they're afraid of a failure rate. So just like, Whitney over there was talking about, she's got those fears. So there's normal fears that come along with that, so how you deal with that, in that it's not because of lack of delivery on your end, but there's still people who are spending tremendous amounts of money, or small amounts of money that just aren't getting what it is. So it's really about your internal feelings about that topic. Russell: It's a good question. There's a lot of different ways I could answer it. I'm trying to think, for me it's a big reason I do have a con stripe, because I do feel like I have a huge obligation to people who sign up for our stuff. So I'm always thinking, how do we simplify this, how do we simplify it? What's the best way to do it? What's the thing? But that's also what creates innovation right. It creates the ideas, it's that, how do we serve these people better? How do we serve them better? Probably the best analogy, in fact, Brandon over here was working on a video that he sent me last night, that I had a chance to watch, it was really cool. We had Sean Stephenson speak at the second Funnel Hacking Live. Was anyone there for that one? A couple of you guys. Sean Stephenson, if you know him, is the 3 foot giant. He's this little dude in a wheel chair, one of the coolest humans on earth. And he told this story, it was funny because man, I had another emotional connection watching it last night actually, watching it. And he talked about stories like, “How many of you guys here are upset because you got 17 followers on Facebook and you've got 13 likes on your YouTube video, and you're pissed because of all this stuff.” And I think of a lot things that way. “I'm trying this thing, I'm not a millionaire yet, I'm not making any money, blah, blah, blah.” And they're upset about that right. And what Sean said, he's like, “Do you know how they choose who they're going to save when a helicopter is flying into an ocean and there's a boat that's wrecked with all these people. Guess how they choose who they're going to save?” and he said, “What happens is the helicopter drivers, they fly over there and go down to the people, going to save them, and guess who they save, they save the people who are swimming towards you.” He says, “That's how you do it. If you try to save everyone, it will drown you, it'll drown the boat, and everybody dies. But you save the people who are swimming toward you.” And then he came back and said, “Those 17 likes on your video, those are the 17 people who are swimming towards you. You have to understand that.” So for me it's like, we talk about the money because that gets people inspired, but when it all comes down, the really internal belief, no one really cares about the money. They want the feeling of the connection and the help and they want to change the world. They have their thing, and so it's like, we talk about the money because it gets people excited, but I don't know anybody who that's the real reason why they're in business. They're in because they want, they want to help those people that are coming towards them. So you notice when you get deeper into the culture, it's not just money, money, money, money. It's how do you serve, how do you impact, how do you change the world, how can you get your message clearer, how can you do those things? And when you shift from the money to that, then the money starts magically coming. So for me, it's just like how do we get more people thinking that way more often. I don't know if that's the right answer or if that helps at all, but it is definitely something I feel a big obligation for but I also feel like I'm super grateful for the people who are willing, I'm grateful to Don Lepre, spent all that money doing the infomercial on that thing. And I didn't implement it back then, when I was 14, right. I'm grateful to the next guy who re-inspired me and I bought the thing and didn't do anything and then next person and all those things, because eventually it stuck. So for me, it's like I'm going to keep creating offers and keep doing cool things, and trying to inspire people because it might not be the first or the second or the fifth, but eventually if I keep being consistent on my side, it's going to keep getting it and eventually the right people, those who actually have something they want to share, something they actually care about what they're doing will figure out the way. And we're just going to keep trailblazing and trying to do our best to make a path that they can all follow. So that's kind of how I look at it. Andrew: Great question. Let's close it out with one more. Yes. Dave did you find someone, because I just found someone right here. Why don't we do two more then? Since you found one and I found one. What's your name? Sorry, Parker? Parker. Go next. There we go, let's go to Parker next and we'll close it out with him. Parker: Alright, so the biggest question I have for you Russell is, I've seen you guys' amazing group you guys have at Clickfunnels, and every time I go in your guys' office it's nothing but excitement, energy, and not only you don't have to inspire your workers to work for you. They come there excited and hearing your amazing stories that John and Brent had of, they stayed with you for all this time and you pushed them and they pushed you and there's this amazing cycle. I'm curious as far as, because I want to have an amazing group like that one too so I can affect the world the same way that you have, and even do better than you did. And that's a completely admiration thing, that's I don't know. Dave: Cut from the same cloth here. Russell: That's his dad. Dave's son. Andrew: Oh got it. That makes sense. Parker: The question I have for you is, how do you find those people? Is it nothing but like a whittling out process or do you see these characteristics already in the people that you have? Andrew: One sec, how old are you? Parker: I'm 20 years old. Andrew: 20 years old and you admire your dad and the guy that he works with so much that you want to not just be like him, but be more like him? Can you take of my kid tonight? Sorry, that's amazing. Does your dad come home with this energy like this energy like, “We're going to capture the world. This is what we're going to do.” Parker: it is the funniest thing. Oh my gosh. Every way you see him online, social media, whatever the heck it is, it's exactly the same way he is at home. When you see him on the tv talking about like, “Oh this is…” or when you interviewed him. Andrew: I've watched his podcast, I see that thing. {Crosstalk} Parker: you know as much as I do then. Andrew: What did he motivate you to, like to sell as a kid, or to upsell as a kid. Parker: So he would like talk to us like he was a sales person basically, in the aspect of he talks about things as far as, this person did a terrible job at selling. They could have done this, this, this and this.” And we're like 10 years old, I think at the time, I think. I don't know. It's more of a recent change since he joined clickfunnels and he's got this amazing excitement and energy. It's an amazing thing and I wish to have to people like my dad when I become a, when I start to do my own thing. Andrew: It is contagious isn't it? Parker: yeah, it totally is. Andrew: And I've been watching, what's this new Vlog that you've got. It's on Russell, it's on Russell Brunson's YouTube channel right? I'm at the end of it going, “Hell yeah, why am I taking a shower now. I gotta go, I got stuff to do.” Right. These guys are out there taking over San Francisco, that's my city. So I guess you're feeling the same way at home. Now, he's there twice, he suddenly owns a place. So your question was…? Parker: My question was basically, how do you find these amazing people to work, not only for you, but with you and to help you accomplish your dream? Is it whittling out process or it you have innate ability to find people? Russell: So as you were saying that I started thinking, I'm thinking about the partners on our team, who none of them came through like a help wanted site. None of them came through like, Brent went to church with me and he showed up every single week, every single month, he was my home teacher and showed up every single month consistently and we became friends and we did stuff together. John married my cousin. We were on the boat in the middle of the lake and he pitched me on a network marketer opportunity and I was like, I love this guy. And then I pitched him back and we just, and it was amazing. And then Dave, we were at an event like this and we had a signup sheet if you wanted to take the speakers out to dinner and Dave ran back and signed up every single line under mine. So I went to every single meal with him for 3 days. I think it's just, I think a big part of it, I think most entrepreneurs can't build a team because they're waiting to build the team. And I think for me, I didn't know what I was doing so I just started running, and what happens when you're moving forward and motion is happening, people get attracted to that. And some people will come for bad reasons and they'll leave, and I've been taken advantage of multiple times, things like that will happen, but the right people will stick around. But it's all about, it's the motion right. That's what people are attracted to. If something's happening. I don't know what's happening, but I want to be on that train and they start coming. So I think it's taking the initiative of “Okay, I'm going to start running and I have no idea if anyone's going to follow me ever. But If I do this and I keep doing it consistently then people will.” And you know, it's been a consistency thing. I'm 15 years into this business now, 8000 funnels deep. But it's a consistency, and when you do that and you're consistent, then the right people will just start coming into your life. But not waiting for them initially. If I would have waited to build my team initially, we wouldn't have a team. Everyone we met was like in the, as we were having motion, the right people started showing up. Andrew: Alright. Thanks. Speaking of, thank you. How many people here are actually at Clickfunnels, if you work at Clickfunnels. Can you guys stand up if you work at Clickfunnels. There you go. I feel like at the end of this everyone's going to want to go and meet Russell. Everyone's going to want to go and mob him. And he's not that social, number one. Number two, I feel like you're going to pass up these fan-freaking-tastic conversations, I've gotten to know the people who work here a lot really well in preparation for this, I really urge you to see the guys, the people who are wearing these t-shirts. Get to know them. Push them into a corner, understand what's working for them. And really, you're fantastic people, thanks so much for helping me do this. And thank you for having me on here. I really appreciate you being open, being willing to let me take this anywhere. You said, “I understand what Andrew is trying to do. He's trying to figure this out. I'm going to let him run with it and let him make the magic happen.” And I think we made a lot of magic happen. Thanks so much for having me here. Russell: Yeah man, it was amazing. Andrew: Thank you all for coming, I'm looking forward to meeting every one of you. Thanks.

Enjoy part three of this classic episode series where Andrew Warner from Mixergy interviews Russell on the ClickFunnels startup story! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- Hey everyone, this is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. I hope you enjoyed episodes 1 and 2 of the interview with Andrew Warner at the Dry Bar Comedy Club where he was telling the Clickfunnels startup story. I hope you are enjoying this interview series so far, and I hope also this motivates you guys to go over to the mixergy podcast and subscribe to everything that Andrew does. Like I said, he is my favorite interviewer and I think that what he does is second to none. So I hope that you guys enjoy him as well, and go subscribe to the mixergy podcast. But with that said, I'm going to queue up the theme song, and when we come back we will start into part 3 of the Clickfunnels startup story interview. Andrew: I actually got, I did see, I don't know, I didn't see the video you mentioned, but I did see what it looked like. Here's one of the first versions. He compared it to Clickfunnels, he said, I mean to Lead Pages. He said, “Look at how Lead Pages has their stuff all the way on the left, all the controls.” Oh you can't see it. Oh, let me try it again, let me see if I can bring up the screen because this is just, it's just too good. Hang on a second. I'm just constantly amazed how you're able to draw people to you. So this is the article from Lead Pages, this is the first landing page from Clickfunnels, this is what he created before, this is what you guys did together. This is your editor and h e said, “Look, if you're on Lead Pages, their controls, their editor is all the way on the left and it's just moving the main content to the right, which is not looking right. And I prefer something that looks like this, with a hundred pixels on the left, a hundred pixels…” I go, who knows a hundred pixels, it's like you, what is this? Russell: Dylan is obsessed with that type of stuff, it's amazing. Andrew: Obsessed. And you draw people like that. You draw people like Dave, who is just phenomenal. Dave, the traffic and conversion event that he was just talking about, is that the one that you went to? Dave: The one after that. Andrew: The one after that. Okay, we'll come back to that in a second then. So this became your next version, you brought on a new partner, and then you did a webinar with this guy. Who is this guy? Russell: It's Mike Filsaime, one of my first friends online. It actually wasn't a webinar, it was a live event. He was doing a live event in San Diego and he was like, “You have to come and sell Clickfunnels.” And I was like, “Nobody's buying Clickfunnels.” We had a free trial and like, we couldn't give it away. It was crazy. And he's like, “Well, you're on this website, you're picture is there, you have to come and sell Clickfunnels, and I need you to sell it for at least $1000.” Because the way it works, if you speak at someone's event, you sell something, you split the money 50/50. So he's like, “It needs to be at least $1000.” And I was all bummed out. I didn't want to do it. And the event actually started, but they were streaming it live online, so I was actually sitting at our office in Boise, watching it as I'm putting together my slides to create Clickfunnels, and then flew out to the event. And then we had a booth, and I don't know if I told you this, we had a booth and Lead Pages had a booth right across the little hallway, skinny hallway. And Todd's wife was manning our booth and then Lead Pages was right there, and it was so funny because she was not shy at all about talking about Lead Pages. She's like, “Yeah, we're like Lead Pages except for way better. We can do this and this.” And the other guy is sitting there like, right in front of her as she's telling them everything. And it was..anyway, I digress. It was pretty funny. Andrew: By the way, she's still at it. I saw a video that you guys created, you were talking to her and she goes, “I will be Clickfunnels.” I go wait a minute, you still had that fire, okay. So you were at that event. Russell: So we're at the event and there's probably, I can't remember, 150-200 people maybe in the room. So I got the slides up and Dylan was there and he was like, when we got to the funnels he was going to demo the editor, so I did the whole thing, showed the presentation and we demo'd Clickfunnels and at the end of the thing I sold. And I've been good onstage, but by far, that was the first time in probably 8 years that I'd seen a table rush, where people are stepping over the things, jumping around, trying to get to the back to buy as fast as they could. Andrew: What did you say to get them to want to do that? Russell: We made a really, I mean we gave the presentation, and gave a really good offer at the end. They get a year of Clickfunnels for free, plus they get training, plus they were going to get all these other things for $1000. Andrew: It was $1000 training and a year of Clickfunnels for free, and then they become long term members. And it was also called, Funnel Hackers? Russell: Funnel Hacks, yeah. Andrew: Funnel Hacks. And that's the thing that became like… Russell: The culture. Andrew: This culture, this tribe. It wasn't just they were signing to learn from you, they were becoming funnel hackers. That's it. Russell: I mean, that wasn't planned though. It was like, I was trying to think about a sexy name for the presentation, so I'm like ah, Funnel Hacks. And somebody owned FunnelHacks.com, and I'm like, I'm still doing the presentation that way. And then later we made t-shirts that said, “Funnel Hackers” and then now we got 4 or 5 people have tattooed that to their bodies, it's really weird. But anyway, that's what happened. We did that and we sold it and I remember going to dinner that night with the guys who were there, and Todd and his wife and everything. And we were all excited because we made some money finally. But I was just like, “You guys don't understand, like I've spoken on a lot of stages, and I haven't seen a table rush like that.” And I remember back, there was a guy, he passed away a couple of years ago, his name was Fred Catona. And he was a radio guy. He was the guy who did the radio commercials for, do you guys remember, it's got the guy from Star Trek, what's his name? Audience member: Priceline. Russell: Priceline. He did the Priceline radio commercials and made that guy a billionaire. And he told me when we were doing the radio ads, “This is what's going to happen. We're going to test your ad and if it works, I'm going to call you on the phone and let you know you're rich. Because if it works, it means you're going to be rich.” So I remember going to dinner that night and I told the guys, “Just so you guys know, we're rich.” And they're like, “What do you mean? We made $150,000.” I'm like, “No, no, no. The way people responded to that, I've never seen that in my life. We're rich.” The response rate from that, I've never seen. Andrew: And then you went to webinar after webinar after webinar. Russell: On the flight home that day I'm texting everybody I've ever met. “I got a hot offer, this webinar crushed it. We just closed whatever percent of the room at Filsaime's event. Who wants to do it?” And we started filling up the calendar. Andrew: And the idea was, and you told me you did 2 to 3 some days. And the idea was, they would sell somebody on a course, and then their members would then hear how your software and your funnel hacking technique would help up what they just bought and then they would sign up. You're still excited, I can see it in your face. And then this thing took off. And then you started doing an event for your culture, your community, and this guy spoke, Tony Robbins. Russell: Oh yeah, there's Tony. Andrew: One of the first ones. Was he at the very first one? Russell: No, he came to the third one, was the first one we had him come to. Andrew: Yeah? Why do an event? Why do your own live event? Russell: So we've done events in the past. I know events are good, but I'd sworn off them because the last event we did, I think we sold 3 or 400 tickets and less than 100 people showed up and I was so embarrassed. I was like, “We'll never do events again.” And as soon as this, as soon as Clickfunnels launched and it was growing, everyone's like, “We want to do a meet up. We should do an event.” All the customers kept asking. And against my, I didn't really want to do it, but at the same time I was launching my book, and I had won a Ferrari in this affiliate contest so I was like, “What if we did an event and we had the Ferrari there and we gave it away and then we're…” we had other ideas for giving away other cars and it became this big, exciting thing that eventually turned into an event. And that was the first Funnel Hacking Live event in Vegas, and we had about 600 people at that one that showed up. And that's where it all kind of, it all started. Andrew: And it built how much, how many people are you up to now? Russell: Last year we had 3500 people and we're on track to have about 5000 at this year's event. Andrew: 5000? Yeah. Russell: Those aren't free tickets. Each ticket's $1000, so it's…. Andrew: So how much is that in total revenue? Russell: From the event? Andrew: Yeah. Russell: So ticket sales, last year was $3 ½ million, this year will be over $5. But at the event we sell coaching so last year we made $13 million in coaching sales at the event as well. Andrew: Wow, would you come up here for a second, Dave? Do you guys know Dave? Yeah, everyone knows Dave. You know what's amazing… {Audience catcalls} Andrew: That's amazing. Dave: I don't know who that is. Andrew: A catcall. I saw a video, you guys have this vlog now, a beautifully show vlog. You guys went to sales force's conference, you're looking at the booths and in the video, do you remember what you did as you saw the different booths? Dave: I think that one I went and asked what the prices for each of the booths were. Andrew: Yes, and then you multiplied. And he's like, you're not enjoying the event, you're calculating ahead, how much. “10,000 that's 100,000….” It's like wow, right. You do this all the time? Dave: Yeah. It's a lot of money in an event like that. Andrew: And you think, and if this was not your event, you would be doing the same calculation trying to figure out how much they brought in today. Wowee. Alright when you went to sales force did you calculate how much money they probably did from their event? Dave: We were doing that the whole time, absolutely. Andrew: You saw the building, you had to know… Dave: Oh my gosh. 61 stories. Andrew: Why? Why do you guys want to know that? Why does, how does that… I want to understand your drive as a company and I feel like this is a part of it. Figuring out how much money other people are making, using that for fuel somehow. Tell me. Dave: I think it actually goes back to Russell and his wrestling days. We had the experience of going to Chicago right after that, and super just exhausted. And it was one of those things where he literally landed, we walked down and we're underneath the tarmac and all the sudden Russell goes from just being totally exhausted to a massive state change. Where he's literally right back where he was with his dad and he and his dad are walking that same path to go to, I think it was Nationals. And I saw Dan Usher, who was doing the filming, capturing that moment and it's that type of a thing for Russell. Where all the sudden it's the dream, where as soon as you see it, it can then happen. And Russell's just been amazing at modeling, and again the whole idea as far as just going at a rapid, rapid speed. I mean it's “Ready, fire, aim.” Andrew: It's not you gawking at the sales force, what's the sales force event called? Dave: Dream Force. Andrew: Dream force. It's not you gawking at how well Sales Force's event, Dream Force is doing, it's not you having envy or just curiosity, it's you saying, it's possible. This is us. That's it. Dave: It's totally possible. Andrew: It's totally possible. We could get there. And when you're sizing up the building, you even found out how much the building cost. Who does that? Most people go, “Where's the bathroom?” How much does the building cost? Dave: There's a number. Andrew: It's you saying, “We could maybe have that.” Dave: We can have that, yeah. Andrew: Got it. And so let's go back a little bit. I asked you about Traffic and Conversion because the very first Traffic and Conversion conference you went to, you guys were nobodies. Nobody came and saw you. Dave: We were put out in North 40 pasture, way, way far away. Andrew: And some people would say, “One day I'll get there.” you told Russell, “Today we're going to get there.” Dave: Well Russell wanted, he was speaking and so whenever you're speaking at an event, it's important that you fill a room, like this. And there's nothing worse than having an event and having no one show up. It's just the worst feeling in the world. And so he's like, “All we need, I gotta find some way of getting people into the event. I wish we had like some girls who could just hand out t-shirts or do something.” And I was like, we're in San Diego, that's like my home town. Russell: Dave's like, “How many do you need?” That's all he said. Dave: It's just a number. It comes down to a number. How many do you want? So we ended up having, within an hour or so we had 5 girls there who were more than happy to dance around and give out t-shirts and fill the room. Andrew: and the room was full? Dave: Packed. Andrew: Packed. And why wouldn't you say, “One day, the next time we come to Traffic and Conversion, the tenth time we're going to do it.” Why did it have to be right there? Dave: It's always now.   Andrew: It's always now. Dave: It's always now. Andrew: It's always now. It's never going to be the next funnel, it's never going to be the next product launch. I'm going to do whatever we can right now, and the next one, and the next one. That's it. That's who you are. Dave: That's how it works. Andrew: And now you're a partner in the business. $83 million so far this year, you got a piece of that. Dave: Yes. Do i? Russell: Yeah. Dave: Just checking. Andrew: Do you get to take profits home now? Dave: We do. Andrew: You do, you personally do? Dave: Yes. Andrew: Are you a millionaire? Dave: Things are really good. Andrew: Millionaire good from Clickfunnels? Dave: yes. Andrew: Really? Dave: Yes. Andrew: Wow. And you're another one. I was driving and I said, “What was it about Russell that made you work for him? What was it?” and you said, “I've never seen anyone implement like him.” Give me an example of early days, something that he implemented…you know what, forget that, let's not go back to Russell. As a team, you guys have gotten really good at implementing. Give me an example of one thing that you're just stunned by, we did it, it came out of nowhere, we could have been distracted by funnel software, we could have distracted by the next book, we did this thing, what is it? Dave: You're here on this stage with JP, and this was what 6 weeks ago? Andrew: and this whole thing just came from an idea I heard. You use Voxer. Why do you use Voxer? Russell: I don't know. Andrew: Because you like to talk into it. Russell: Yeah, and you can fast forward, you can listen at 4x speed, you can forward the messages to people really easily, it's awesome. Andrew: and it's just train of thought, boom, here's what I think we're going to…No, it's not that. I heard it's, “I have a secret project…” Russell: “I'll tell you guys about it later.” And they all start freaking out. “Tell us now.” Andrew: “Secret project. I don't know what it, it's going to be exciting.” They don't know what it is, going to be excited. Russell: Do you know how it started, this one? I was cleaning my wrestling room listening to you, and you were, I don't know whose event it was, but you were at the campfire, it sounded like. And you were doing something like this and I was like, I want my own campfire chat to tell our story. And then I was like, “Dave, we should do it.” And now we're here. So thanks for coming to our campfire…. Dave: That's how it happens. Andrew: And that's exciting to this day. Alright, thank you. Give him a big round, thank you so much. You know what, I didn't mean for this to come onstage, but I'm glad that it is. This made you laugh when you accidentally saw it earlier too. Why is this making you laugh? What is it? Russell: So we're not shy about our competitors, even when they're our friends. So one of the companies we're crossing out is his. That's why it's funny. Andrew: It's one of my companies. That's Bot Academy there. It's also a company I invest in, that octopus is ManyChat, I've been a very big angel investor and supporter of theirs. I'm not at all insulted by that, I'm curious about it. You guys come across as such nice, happy-go-lucky guys. Dave asked me if I want water, I said “Dave I can't have you give me any more things. I feel uncomfortable, I'm a New Yorker. Punch me, please.” So he goes, “Okay, one more thing. I'm going to give you socks.” So he gave me socks. Really, but still, you have murder in your eyes sometimes. You're crossing out everybody. This is part of your culture, why? Russell: It comes back, for me its wrestling. When I was wrestling it was not, I don't know, there's different mentalities right. And I did a podcast on this one time and I think I offended some people, so I apologize in advance, but if you're in a band and everyone gets together and you play together and you harmonize, it's beautiful. When you're a wrestler you don't do that. You know, you walk in everyday and you're like, those are the two guys I have to beat to be varsity. And then after you do that, you walk in and you're like, “Okay who are the people I have to beat to be in the region champ, and then the state champ, and then the national champ?” So for me, my entire 15 years of my life, all my focus was like, who's the next person on the rung that I have to beat? And it's studying and learning about them and figuring their moves and figuring out what they're good at, what they're bad at so we can beat them. Then we beat them and go to the next thing, and next thing, and next thing. So it was never negative for me, it was competition. Half the guys were my friends and they were doing the same thing to me, we were doing the same thing to them. I come from a hyper competitive world where that's everything we do. And I feel bad now, because in business, a lot of people we compete against aren't competitive and I forget that sometimes, and some people don't appreciate it. But that's the drive. It's just like, who do we, if I don't have someone to, if there's not someone we're driving towards, there's not a point for me. Andrew: And even if they're, even if I was hurt, “I accept it, I'm sorry you're hurt, Andrew. I still care and love you. We're going to crush you.” That's still there. Russell: And I had someone, so obviously InfusionSoft was one of our people we were targeting for a long, long time and I had a call with Clayton and someone on his team asked me, “Why do you hate Infusion Soft so much?” I was like, “I don't, you don't understand. I don't hate, I love Infusion Soft. I'm grateful for it. I'm grateful for Lead Pages, I'm grateful for….” I told them, have you guys seen the Dark Knight, my favorite movie of all time? And it's the part where Batman and the Joker are there and Batman is like, asks the Joker, “Why are you trying to kill me?” And the Joker starts laughing and he's like, “I'm not trying to kill you. The reason I do this is because of you. If I didn't have you, there's no purpose behind it.” So for me it's like, if I don't have someone to compete against, why are we playing the game? So for me, that's why we're always looking… Andrew: It's not enough to say, it's not enough to just say “we're playing the game because we want to help the next entrepreneur, or the next person who's sick and needs to create…” no, it's not. Russell: That's a big part of it, but like, there's something… Andrew: Yeah, but it's not enough, it's gotta be both. Russell: My whole life there's, the competition is what drives me for sure. Andrew: And just like you're wrestling with someone, trying to beat them, but you don't hate them. You're not going to their house and break it down… Russell: Everyone we wrestled, we were friends afterwards. We were on the same Freestyle and Greco teams later in the season, but during, when we're competing, we're competing and everyone's going all at it. Andrew: Everyone's going all at it. That's an interesting way to end it. How much more time do we have? How much more time do we have? I'm going to keep going. Can I get you to come up here John, because I gotta get you to explain something to me? So I told you, I was online the other day, yeah give him a big round. I was online the other day, I don't even know what I clicked, I clicked something and then I saw that Russell's a great webinar person, everyone keeps telling me. Well, alright, I gotta find out how he does it. So I click over, “Alright, just give your email address and you can find out how..” Alright, I'll give my email address to find out how he became such a great webinar presenter. “Just give a credit card. It's only $4.95, so it comes in the mail.” It comes in the mail, that's pretty cool. Nothing comes in the mail anymore. Here's my credit card. It goes, “Alright, it's going to mail it out. Would you also like to learn how to use these slides? $400.” I go, no! I'm done. Russell: Welcome to the funnel. Andrew: Welcome to the funnel. I'm done. But I'm going to put in Evernote a link to this page so I don't lose it so I can come back. I swear. I did it. And this is my receipt for $4.95. Don't you ever feel like, we're beyond this? We're in the software space now, we're competing with Dropbox, we're not competing with Joe Schmoe and his ebook. And you're the guy who sold the, who bought the ad that got me. John: I know. Andrew: I asked you that. Do you ever feel a little embarrassed, “We're still in the info market space.”? John: No, I think it's the essence of what we do, of what Russell does. We love education. We love teaching people. I mean, the software is like the backend, but we're not software people. I mean, we sell software, but we teach people. All these people here and all the people at all of our events, they just want to learn how to do it better. Andrew: I don't believe it. John: Okay. Andrew: I believe in him. I don't believe in you. I believe that for you it's the numbers. Here's why I don't believe it. I'm looking in your eyes and you're like, “I'm giving the script. I'm good, I'm doing the script.” I see it in your eyes, but when I was talking to you earlier, no offense. This is why he does what he does. When I was talking to you earlier, you told me about the numbers, the conversion, how we get you in the sales funnel, how we actually can then modify…That's the exciting part. Don't be insulted by the fact that I said it. Know that we have marketers here, they're going to love you for being open about it. What's going on here? What's going on, keeping you in this space? John: Okay, from my perspective. Okay so, initially it was self liquidation on the front, which is what I was telling you. It was the fact that we were bootstrapped, we didn't have money to just like throw out there. We had to make sure we were earning enough money to cover our ads. And Russell had all the trust in the world in me, I don't know why he did, but he did. And he's just like, “Spend money, and try to make it self-liquidate.” I'm like, “Okay.” So we just had to spend money and hope that we got enough back to keep spending money. Andrew: And self-liquidate means buy an ad today and make sure that we make money from that ad right away and then software. John: Yeah. Andrew: And then you told, and then software's going to pay overtime, that's our legacy, that's our thing. And you told me software sucks for selling. Why? John: Software sucks, yeah. Andrew: Why? Everyone who's in info, everyone's who in education says, “I wish I was a software guy. Software is eating the world, they're getting all the risk back.” I walked through San Francisco; they think anyone who doesn't have software in their veins is a sucker. John: I asked the same thing to myself, you know. I was running ads, I'm like why can't I just run ads straight to the offer? Why do I have go to these info products? I want to get on the soft…. And then I was like, I feel like it's kind of like marriage. Like it's a big thing to say like, “You probably already built websites, but come over, drop everything you're doing and come over here and build websites over here on our thing.” And it's like, that's a hard pull. But “Hey, you want to build webinars? Here's a little thing for $5 to build webinars.” Now you're in our world, now we can talk to you, now you can trust us, now we can get you over there. Andrew: Got it. Okay, and if that's what it takes to get people in your world, you're going to accept it, you're not going to feel too good for that, you're just going to do it and grow it and grow it. John: Yeah. Andrew: What's your ad budget now? See now you're eyes are lighting up. Now I tapped into it. John: We spend about half a million a month. Andrew: half a million a month! John: Yeah. Don't tell the accountant. Andrew: Do you guys pay with a credit card? Do you have a lot of miles? John: Yeah, we do. In fact…. Andrew: You do! How many miles? John: In fact, the accountant came into my office the other day and said, “Next time you buy a ticket, use the miles.” Andrew: Are they with Delta, because I think you guys flew me out with Delta. John: Yeah, American Express is where we're spending all our money. Andrew: Wow. And you're a partner too? John: Yeah. Andrew: Wow, congratulations. John: Thank you. Andrew: I don't know you well enough to ask you if you're a millionaire, I'm just going to say congratulations. Give him a big round. John: Thank you. Andrew: Wow, you know what, I actually was going to ask the videographers to come up here. I wrote their names down, I got the whole thing and I realized I shouldn't interrupt them, because they're shooting video. But I asked them, why are you, they had this career where they were flying all over the world shooting videos for their YouTube channel. I'm sorry, I forgot their name, and I don't want to leave them out. Russell: Dan and Blake. Andrew: They were shooting YouTube videos, they were doing videos for other people. I said, “Why are you now giving it up and just working for Clickfunnels all the time? More importantly, why are you so excited about it?” And they said, “You know, it's the way that we work with Russell.” And I said, do you remember the first time that you invited them out to shoot something? What was it? Russell: It was the very first Funnel Hacking Live we ever had, and probably 2 weeks prior to that, one of our friends had an event and Dan had captured the footage, and he showed me the videos. “Did you check out my Ven Video?” I'm like, “Oh my gosh, that was amazing.” And I said “Who did it?” and he told me. So I emailed Dan and I was like, “Hey, can you come do that for Funnel Hacking Live?” And he's like, “What's Funnel Hacking Live?” So I kind of told him, and he's like, “Sure.” And it was like 2 weeks later and he's like, “What's the direction?” and I was like, “I don't know, just bring the magic man. Whatever you did there, do that here.” And that's kind of been his calling card since. He just comes and does stuff. Andrew: Bring the magic. He wants to have those words painted on the Toronto office you guys are starting. Literally, because he says you say that all the time. And the idea is, I want to understand how you hire. The idea is, “I'm going to find people who do good work, and I'm going to let them do it.” What happens if they wouldn't have done it your way? What happens if it would have gone a different direction? Russell: I see your question, and I'm not perfect. So I'm going to caveat that by, some of the guys on my team know that I'm kind of, especially on the design and funnel stuff, I'm more picky on that, because I'm so into that and I love it. But what I've found is when you hire amazing people like Todd for example, doing Clickfunnels. The times I tried to do Clickfunnels prior, build it was like, me and I'm telling developers, “here's what to do and how to do it.” And like there's always some loss in communication. With Todd, he's like, “I know exactly what I would build because I want this product too.” And then he just built it and he showed me stuff. And I'm like, “That's a good idea.” And he's like, “I did this too.” And I'm like, “That's a good idea.” And it's so much easier that way. So when you find the right people, it's not you giving them ideas, it's them coming to you with the ideas. And you're like, “that is a good idea. Go do it.” And it just makes, takes all the pressure off your back. So for us, and it's been fun because I look at, man, the last 15 years of all those different websites and the ups and the downs, the best people have always stuck. So we've got 15 years of getting the cream of the crop. It's kind of like, I'm a super hero nerd, but it's like the Avengers, at the end of, when Clickfunnels came about we had this Avenger team of people. And we're like, now we've put in our dues, now it's time to use all of our super powers to do this thing, and it all kind of came together. Andrew: Build it and build it up. And then as you were building it up, you then went to Sales Force. You guys invited me, you said, “Hey Andrew, we're in San Francisco, you're home town. Do you want to come out?” I said, “I'm going to be with the family.” And you said, “Good. Being with the family is better than hanging out with us.” But I still said, “What are you guys doing in San Francisco at Sales Force?” Because sales people don't need landing pages, yet you guys will probably find a way for them to need it. Then I saw this, this is the last video that I've got. There's no audio on it. I want you guys to look at their faces as they're looking up at these buildings, walking through the Sales Force office. Look, they're getting on the motorcycles in the lobby. They're looking all around like, “Oh gee.” Counting the buildings that are Sales Force labeled. Look at that! What are they doing? Not believing that this is even possible. And then just stopping and going, this is dream force. This is your dream. What did you get out of going to sales Force's event and seeing their office? Russell: Honestly, prior to Sales Force, I was kind of going through a weird funk in my business, because it was like, again there was the goals. So it was like, okay, we're going to do a million bucks, and then we did that. And then it's like, let's make 10 million a year. And then 50, and then this year we'll hit a hundred. And like, what's the next goal?  A billion, because a hundred million, 2 hundred million is not that big of a difference. And it was just kind of like, what's the point, what's the purpose? We've grown as big as any company that I know. And then last year, Dave and Ryan had gone out there and they were telling me stories like, “There's 170,000 businesses here.” And they were telling me all these things, and it sounded cool, but I didn't, and they were going crazy. You have to see this so you can believe it. But there's something about the energy about seeing something that makes it real. So this year I was like, I want to go and I want to see Benioff speak. I want to see the thing, the towers, I want to just understand it, because if I understand it, cool. Now we can reverse engineer and figure out how we can do it. So for me it was just like seeing it. I think in anything, any, as entrepreneurs too, if you're people believe that you can do it, you'll do it. If you believe you can lose weight, you'll lose 3eight. If you believe you can grow a company, and I don't feel like I believed that the next level was possible for us until I saw it. And then I was like, oh my gosh, this is not ridiculous. Benioff's not, none of these guys are any smarter than any of us. It's just like, they figured out the path. It was like, okay let's look at the path. And then let's look at it and now we can figure out our path. Andrew: And seeing it in person did that for you? Russell: Oh yeah. It makes it tangible, it makes it like, it's like your physiology feels it, versus reading a book about it or hearing about it. It's like you see it and you experience it, and it's like it's tangible. Andrew: I told you, I asked people before they came in here, “What are you looking for?” and a few of them frustrated me because they said, “I just wanted to see Russell. I just want to see the event.” I go, “Give me something I could ask a question about.” But I think they were looking for the same thing that you got out of there. And I know they got it. I'm going to ask them to come up here and ask some questions, and I want to know about the future of Clickfunnels, but first I've got to just acknowledge that, that we are here to just kind of pick up on that energy. That energy that got you to pick yourself back up when anyone else would have said, “I'm a failure of a husband, I can't do this.” Go back. The tension that came from failing and almost going to jail as you said, from failing and succeeding, and failing again. And still, that is inspiring to see. I want to give the whole Clickfunnels family a big round of applause, please everybody.

Enjoy part two of this classic episode series where Andrew Warner from Mixergy interviews Russell on the ClickFunnels startup story! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- Alright everybody, this is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. I hope yesterday you enjoyed part one of the Clickfunnels start up story interview at the Dry Bar Comedy Club with Andrew. I love the way he interviews. I hope you're enjoying it as well. So we are going to dive right into part 2 of 4 from this interview. And again, if you're liking these interviews please, please, please take a snapshot on your phone, post it on Facebook, Instagram or wherever you do your posting and tag me in it and use hashtag marketing secrets so I can see that you're talking about it. I'd appreciate it. With that said, we're going to queue up the theme song, when we come back we'll start in on part 2 of the interview of the Clickfunnels start up story. Andrew: You know what, I've talked to a few of your people because they're so good, that Dave could really be a leader on his own, start his own company, he's got his own online reputation, the whole thing. I keep asking him, “Why do you work for Russell? What is it that lets you be second to Russell who's getting all the attention?” And I've got some answers and would you mind coming up here and in a second I'm going to ask you. No, come back here and I'll just bring you up in a second. Actually, you know what, it looks like you can come pretty fast. I thought that it would be a little bit more, I thought it would be more of a thing to get mics on people. And I realized if Collette can do it…. Okay honestly, dig down deep. Why did you want to stick with him? Brent: Through all that stuff? Andrew: Yeah. Brent: I don't know. My heart was just racing. As he started telling that story, it just makes me sick to my stomach. As you scroll down and look at all those businesses of, for years, every 30 days it was a new business launch, it was crazy. Always why I stuck with him is, you know, Collette mentioned that spirit. He's absolutely different than anybody else I've ever met in my entire life, a friend…. Andrew: Of what? Give me an example. Let's be more specific. Back then, not today, he's got this track record, adoring fans, I asked him to do an interview, everyone wants him on his podcast. Back then when it wasn't going so well. Give me an example that let you know this is a guy who's going to figure it out eventually, and I could possibly go down, watch him go to jail, but I believe that it's going to go up. Brent: Well, at the time when things are crashing, I saw him as the income stopped. And he had started a program that he loves, obviously wrestling, and he brought an Olympic wrestling coach to Boise and he brought all these amazing wrestlers to Boise and he wanted them to be able to train and get to the Olympics, he wanted to help them get there and live their dream. And you know, he was supplementing, at the time the business was paying for these guys to do a little bit of work for us, they weren't doing very much for us. But I saw him out of his own pocket, be paying for these guys. And I knew how hard he wanted to support them. And there was a day when my wife and I, we were struggling because I just, I was concerned about him financially because he was supplementing and trying to keep this business afloat, and we talked about things and I came into the office one day and I asked if I could talk to him and sat down, and kind of spoke in language that I normally don't speak in, I might have dropped a bomb or two. It was, I was so concerned I pretty much told him, I can't keep doing this, I can't keep watching you every month pulling the money that you saved for your family to try keep jobs for other people. I said, I'll leave if that helps you. And the fact that he stuck with people, that was the true character of who he is. Andrew: He kept paying your salary, kept sticking with you, and also constantly launching things. Brent: Absolutely. Andrew: That you've never seen anyone implement like him. Brent: You know some people call it faith or belief. He has this inherit belief that he can truly change people's lives. Andrew: That's it, even when he wasn't fully in control of his own. Alright thanks. Thanks for, give him a big round of applause, thanks for being up here. I feel like this is the thing that helped get you out of trouble and potentially, and getting out of potential jail. What is this business that you created? Russell: So we, during the time of that and this there was time, probably a year and a half-two years that we were trying all sorts of stuff. And again, marginal success on a lot of them, nothing like….and this was the one, we actually, this is before….I've done a lot of webinars and speaking from seminars and stuff like that, but this is right when auto webinars were coming out and Mike Filsaime had just done an auto webinar and a couple of people, and I felt like that was going to be the future thing. So we're like, what do we do the webinar on? We didn't know. And we flew out to Ryan Deiss and Perry Belcher's office for two days and picked their brains, went to Rich Schefren's office for a day. And then on the flight home, I'm just like sick to my stomach. I couldn't figure out what's the thing that we could serve people the most right now. And on the flight home I was like, all the internet marketing stuff we do works for internet marketers, but we're way better at like local business. Like if a chiropractor implements like two things it works. Or if a dentist does it. But I was like, I don't want to be the guy going to dentists, but we could be the backbone for that. What if we created an opportunity where people could come in, we train them, and we connect them with the right tools and resources, and then they could go and sell to chiropractors and dentists. And that's what the idea was. We turned it into an offer called Dotcom Secrets Local, it was a thousand dollar offer at the time. Did the auto webinar for it, and it launched and within 90 days it had done over a million dollars, which covered payroll taxes and then got us out of debt to the point now we could stop and dream again, and believe again and try to figure out what we really wanted to do. Andrew: Dotcom Secrets Local to a million dollars within 90 days. And how did you find the people who were going to sign up for this. A lot of us will have landing pages like this, we'll have these funnels. How did you get people in this funnel? Russell: And this was pre-Facebook too, so it wasn't just like go turn Facebook ads on. But you know, one thing that happened over all the years prior to this, I'd met a lot of people and go to a lot of events and get to know everybody. And everyone I met, you know, you meet a lot of people who have lists, they have followings, they have different things like that. I just got to know them really, really well. And in the past I'd promote a lot of their products, they'd promote my products. So we had this one and we did it first to my list, and it did really well. So I then I then called them and I'm like, “Okay, I did this webinar to my list, these are the numbers, it did awesome. Do you want to do it to your list as well?” and they're like, “Oh sure. Sounds like a great offer.” We did that list and it did good for them too. And we told the next person and then, if you have a webinar, it's kind of like the speaking circuit, if you're good at speaking then people will put you all over the place. Same thing, if you have a webinar that converts, then it's easy to get a lot of people to do it. So as soon as that one worked and it converted well, then people lined up and we kept doing it, doing it, and doing it, and it was really quick to get to that spot pretty quick. Andrew: I went on Facebook recently and I saw webinar slides from Russell Brunson, I went to the landing page, Clickfunnels page and I signed up and I'll talk about it maybe later, but I bought it and I know other people did. And I've seen other people say, “Russell's webinar technique is the thing that just works.” I'm wondering how did you figure it out? How did you come across this and how did you build it and make it work? Russell: Yeah, so rewind back probably ten years prior to this, when I was first learning this whole business. I went to my very first internet marketing seminar ever, it was Armand Morin's Big Seminar. Did you ever go to Big Seminar? Anyway, I went to it and I had no idea what to expect. I thought it was going to be like, I showed up with my laptop and I was going to like, I thought we were a bunch of geeks going to do computer stuff. And the first person got onstage and started speaking and at the end of it he sold like a two thousand dollar thing. And I'd never seen this before. I saw people jumping up and running to the back of the room to buy it. And I'm like this little 23 year old kid and I was counting the people in the back of the room, doing the math, you know doing the math and I'm like, that guy made 60 thousand dollars in an hour. And the next guy gets up and does his presentation and I watch this for three days and I was like, I'm super shy and introverted, but that skill is worth learning. If someone can walk on a stage and make 100,000 dollars in an hour, I need to learn how to do that. So I started that. And it was really bad for the first probably 8 or 9 months. I tried to do it. I'd go to places and I just, I couldn't figure it out. And then I started asking the people who were good because you go there and all the speakers kind of talk and hang out, and I'd watch the ones that always had the people in the back of the room. And I'd ask them questions, I'm like, ‘What did I do wrong? I feel like I'm teaching the best stuff possible.' And they're like, ‘That's the problem, it's not about teaching, it's about stories, telling stories and breaking beliefs.” So for about the next two years I was about once a month flying somewhere to speak, and then when I would go I would meet all the speakers and find out what they were doing and I'd watch them and I'd take notes on the different things they were saying and how they were saying it. And then I kept taking my presentation and tweaking it, and tweaking it, and tweaking it. And you know, now 12 years later, I've done so many webinars, it kind of worked. The process works now. Andrew: You are a really good story teller and I've seen you do that. I've seen you do it, and I know you're going to do it even more. What I'm curious about is the belief system that you were saying, breaking people's…what was it that you said? Russell: False beliefs. Andrew: Breaking people's false beliefs. How do you understand what, like as you look at this audience, do you understand what some of our false beliefs are? Russell: If I knew what I was selling I could figure out for sure. Andrew: If you knew what you were selling. Alright we're selling this belief that entrepreneurship does work. And I know we're all going to go through a period like some of the ones that you had where things just aren't' working, other people aren't believing in us, almost failure, what is at that point, the belief system that we have to work on? What do you recognize in people here? Russell: So usually there's three core beliefs that people have. The first is about the opportunity itself right. So like with entrepreneurship, the first belief that people have is could I actually be an entrepreneur? And some people who actually believe that, they're like, I'm in. And that's an easy one. But for those who don't there's a reason and usually it's like, they saw a parent that tried to do it. And the parent tried to be an entrepreneur and wasn't able to and they saw that failure. Or they'd tried it in the past and they failed or whatever it is. So it's showing them that even if you tried in the past and showed different ways, let me tell you a story. And for me, I could show 800 different failures. But eventually you get better and you get better until eventually you have the thing that actually works. So I tell a story to kind of show that, to make them believe that, oh my gosh maybe I just need to try a couple more times. And then the second level of beliefs is like beliefs about themselves like, I'm sure it works for you, Russell or Andrew but not for me because I'm different. It's helping them figure out their false beliefs, and if you can break that, then the third one is like, then they always want to blame somebody else. “I could lose lots of weight but my wife buys lots of cupcakes and candy. So I could do it, but because of that I can't.” So then it's like figuring out how you break the beliefs of the external people that are going to keep them. Andrew: And how would you know what that is? How would you know who the external influencers are, that your potential customers are worried about? Russell: I think for most of us it's because the thing that we're selling is something that, one of our, Nick Barely said “Our mess becomes our message.” For most of us, what we're selling is the thing we struggled with before. So I think back about me as 12 year old Russell, watching Don Lepre, like what would have kept me back? And I would have been like, I can't afford classified ads. Like if you showed me how I can, if you could tell me a story of, oh my gosh I could afford classified ads. Now that belief's gone and now I'm going to go give you money. It's just kind of remembering back to the state that you were in when you were trying to figure this stuff out as well. Andrew: Who was who I met when we were coming in here that said that they were part of Russell's mastermind and I asked how much did you pay and he said, “I'm not telling you.” I can't see who that person was. But I know you got a mastermind, people coming in. I'm wondering how much of it comes from that? working with people directly, seeing them in the group share openly, and then saying, ah, this is what my potential customers are feeling? Russell: 100% At this point especially. People always ask me, “Where do you go, Russell, to learn stuff?” and it's my mastermind, because I bring, all the people come in and they're all in different industries and you see that. You see the road blocks that hold people back, but then they also share the stuff that they're doing and it's like, that's 100% now where I get most of my intell. Because people ask me, “Why, you're a software company, why in the world do you have a mastermind group?” And it's because the reason why our software is good is because we have the mastermind group, where they're all crowd sourcing, they're doing all this stuff and bringing back to us, and then we're able to make shifts and pivots based on that. Andrew: Somehow we just lost Apple, but that's okay. It's back, good. There we go. This is the next thing, Rippln. Russell: I forgot I put that one in there. Andrew: I went back and I watched the YouTube video explaining it. It's a cartoon. I thought it was a professional voice over artist, no it's you. You're really comfortable getting on stage and talking. But basically in that video that you guys can see in the top left of your screen, it's Russell, through this voice over and cartoon explaining, “Look, you guys were around in the early days of Facebook, you told your friends, here's how many friends you would have had, for the sake of numbers, let's say you told 7 people and let's say they told 7 people, and that's how things spread. And the same thing happened with Pinterest and all these other sites. Don't you ever wish that instead of making them rich by telling stuff, you made yourself rich? Well here's how Rippln comes in.” and then you created it. And Rippln was what? Russell: So Rippln was actually one of my friend's ideas, and he is a network marketing guy so he's like, “We're building a network marketing program.” And I'd like dabbled in network marketing, never been involved with it. And he came and was like, “Hey, be part of this.” And I was like, “No.” and then he sold us on the whole pitch of the idea, network marketers are really good at selling you on vision, and I was like, “Okay, that sounds awesome.” And then my role was to write the pitch. So I wrote the pitch, did the voice over, did the video, and then we launched it and we had in six weeks, it was like 1.5 million people signed up for Rippln, and I thought it was like, “This is the thing, I'm done.” My down line was like half of the company. And I was like, when this thing goes live, it's going to be amazing. And then the tech side of it, what we're promising people in this video that the main developer ended up dying and he had all the code. So they had to restart building it in the middle of this thing. And it was like thing after thing and by the time it finally got done, everyone had lost interest. It was like 8 months later, and I think the biggest check I got was like $47 for the whole thing. And I was just like, I spent like 6 months of my life. It was like a penny a day. It was horrible. Andrew: I'm just wondering whether I should ask this or not. Russell: Go for it. Andrew: So I stopped asking about religion, but I get the sense that you believe that there's a spiritual element here that keeps you from seeing, my down line is growing, the whole thing is working. Is any of this, does it feel divinely inspired to you? Be honest. Russell: Business or…? Andrew: Business, life, success, things working out, so much so that when you're at your lowest, you feel like there's some divine guidance, some divine hand that says, “Russell, it's going to work out. Russell, I don't know if I got you, but I know you got this. Go do it.” I feel that from you and I… Russell: I 100% believe that. Andrew: You do? Russell: Every bit of it. I believe that God gives us talents and gifts and abilities and then watches what we do with it. And if we do good then he increases our capacity to do more. And if we do good with it, increases our capacity… Andrew: if you earn it? If you do good, if you use what God gives you, then you get more. So you think that that is your duty to do that and if you don't do more, if you don't pick yourself up after Rippln, you've let down God. Do you believe that? Is that it? Or that you haven't lived up to… Russell: Yeah, I don't think I feel that I've let down God, but I definitely feel like I haven't lived up to my potential, you know. But also I feel like a lot of stuff, as I was putting together that document, all the pages, it's interesting because each one of them, looking in hindsight, each built upon the next thing and the next thing. And there's twice we tried to build Clickfunnels and each one was like the next level, and each one was a stepping stone. Like Rippln, if I wouldn't have done Rippln, that was my very first viral video we ever created. I learned how to pitch things and when we did the Clickfunnels initial sales video, because I had done this one, I knew how to do this one. So for me, it's less of like I let down God, as much as like, it's just like the piece, what are you going to do with this? Are you going to do something with it? It doesn't mean it's going to be successful, but it means, if you do well with this, then we're going to increase your capacity for the next step, and the next thing. But we definitely, especially in times at the office, we talk about this a lot. We definitely feel that what we do is a spiritual mission. Andrew: You do? Russell: 100% yeah. I don't think that it's just like, we're lucky. I think the way that the people have come, the partnerships, how it was created is super inspired. Andrew: You know what, a lot of us are selling things that are software, PDF guide, this, that, it's really hard to find the bigger mission in it. You're finding the bigger mission in Funnels. What is that bigger mission? Really, how do you connect with it? Because you're right, if you can find that bigger meaning then the work becomes more meaningful and you're working with become, it's more exciting to work with them, more meaningful to do it. How did you find it in funnels? What is the meaning? Russell: So for us, and I'm thinking about members in my inner circle, so right now as of today I think we had 68,000 members in Clickfunnels, which is the big number we all brag about. But for me, that's 68,000 entrepreneurs, each one has a gift. So I think about, one member I'll mention his name's Chris Wark, he runs chrisbeatcancer.com and Chris was someone who came down with cancer and was given a death sentence, and instead of going through chemo therapy he decided, ‘I'm going to see if I can heal myself.” And he did. Cleared himself of cancer. And then instead of just being like, ‘cool, I'm going to go back into work.' He was like, ‘Man I need to help other people.' So he started a blog and started doing some things, and now he's got this thing where he's helped thousands and thousands of people to naturally cure themselves of cancer. And that's one of our 68,000 people. Andrew: See, you're focusing on him where I think a lot of us would focus on, here's one person who's just a smarmy marketer, and here's who's creating….but you don't. That's not who you are. Look, I see it in your eyes and you're shaking your head. That's not it at all, it's not even a put on. Russell: It's funny because for me it's like, I understand because I get it all the time from people all the time, “Oh he's this slimy marketer.” The first time people meet me, all the time, the first time their introduced, that's a lot of times the first impression. And they get closer and they feel the heart and it's just like, “oh my gosh, I had you wrong.” I get that all the time from people. Andrew: Brian, sorry Ryan and Brad, are either of them here? Would one of you come up here? Yeah, come on up. Because they felt that way, right? Russell: I don't know about them. I know who you're thinking about. Audience member: I think it's Theron. {Crosstalk} Andrew: No, no stay up here, as long as you're here. Theron come on up. Audience member: If it wasn't me, then I'm going to sit back in the seats. Andrew: Are you nervous? Audience member: A little bit. Is there another Ryan and Brad? Russell: Different story, another story. Do you want to come up? Theron had no idea we were bringing him onstage. Andrew: Come on over here. Let's stand in the center so we can get you on camera. Does this help? Russell: Do you want me to introduce Theron real quick? Andrew: Yeah, please. Russell: So Theron is one of the Harmon Brothers, they're the ones who did the viral video for us. Andrew: I heard that you felt that he was a scam. What was the situation and how did you honestly feel? Theron: I don't know that it…well… Russell: Be honest. Theron: I know, I don't think that I felt that Clickfunnels itself was a scam, Russell: Just Russell. Theron: But that it just felt like so many of the ways that the funnels were built and the types of language they were using, it felt like it was that side of the internet. So I became very, well basically we were kind of in a desperate situation, where we had a video that had not performed and not worked out the way we wanted it to work out. Andrew: The video that you created for Russell? Theron: No, another client. Andrew: Another client, okay. Theron: And so our CEO had used Clickfunnels product to help drive, I think it was attendance to a big video event. And so he had some familiarity with the product, so he goes to Russell and at the same time Russell's like, “I'm a big fan of you guys.” So he's coming to us and these things are happening. Yeah, it was almost the same day. So we're thinking like this and we're like, “Well, they seem to really know how to drive traffic, to really know how to drive conversion. And we feellike we know how to drive conversion as well, but for some reason we missed it on this one.” So we're like, “Well, let's do a deal.” Andrew: What do you mean missed it? Okay, go ahead, go through to the end. Theron: We were failing our client. We were failing on our client. We weren't giving them and ROI. So we said, let's do a deal with Russell and we'll have our internal team compete with his team, and we're humble enough to say we're failing our client. We want our client to succeed, let's bring in their team and see if they can make a funnel that can bring down the cost for acquisition, bring up the return on investment for our client, and they were able to do it.  And then we said, what we'll do is we'll write a script, we'll take you through our script writing process, but we don't want to do the video because we don't want to be affiliated with you. Russell: The contract said, “You can't tell anyone ever that the Harmon Brothers wrote the script for you.” Andrew: Wow, because you didn't want to be associated with something that you thought was a little too scammy for… Theron: Yeah, we just didn't want our brand kind of brought down to their brand, which is super arrogant and really wrong headed. And in any case, so we go into this script writing training, and I wasn't following his podcast, I wasn't listening to enough. I mean, read Dotcom Secrets, those kinds of things are like, well, there's some really valuable stuff there, this is really interesting. A nd then as we got to know each other and really start to connect, like you said, heart to heart. And to feel what he's really about, and the types of team, the people that he surrounds himself with, I was like, wow, these are really, really good people. And they have a mission here that they feel, just like we feel that about our own group. And in any case, by the end of that 2 day retreat we're like, all off in private saying, “First of all we like what we've written and second of all, we'd really like to work with these guys and I think we're plenty happy being connected to them and associated with them.” So it's been a ride and a blessing ever since. Russell: We're about to start video number two with them. Andrew: You what? Russell: We're about to start video number two with them right now. Theron: Anyway, we love them. Andrew: Alright, give him a big round, yeah. Thanks. This was pivotal for you guys. Lead Pages, there's an article about how Lead Pages raised $5 million, and you saw that and you thought… Russell: Well, what happened was Todd, so Todd's the cofounder of Clickfunnels, and he was working with us at the time and he would fly to Boise about once a quarter and we'd work on the next project, the new idea. And that morning he woke up and he saw that, and then he forwarded me the article. And he's Atlanta, so it's east coast, so I'm still in bed. And he's got a 4 hour flight to Boise and he's just getting angry, because Todd is, Todd's like a genius. He literally, when he landed in Boise and he saw me and he's like, “We can build Lead Pages tonight. I will clone, I will beat it. We're going to launch this, this week while we're here.” He's that good of a developer. He, I've never seen someone code as fast and as good as him. He's amazing. So he comes in, he's mad because he's like, “This is the stupidest site in the world. We could literally clone this. Let's just do it.” And I'm like, “Yes, let's clone it.” And we're all excited and then he's like, “Do you want me to add any other features while I'm doing it.” And I'm like, ‘Oh, yes. We should do this, and we should do this.” And then the scope creep from the marketer comes, and we ended up spending an entire week in front of a whiteboard mapping out all my dreams, “If we could do this and this and what kind of shopping cart, and we could do upsells, and what if we could actually move things on the page instead of just having it sit there. And what if…” and Todd's just taking notes and everything. And then he's like, “Okay, I think I could do this.” And he told me though, “If I do this, I don't want to do this as an employee. I want to do this as a partner.” And at first I was like, ugh, because I didn't want to do the partnership thing. And then the best decision I've ever made in my life, outside of marrying my wife was saying yes to Todd. Said, “Let's do it.” And then he flew home and built Clickfunnels. Andrew: Wow. And this is after trying software so much. I have screenshots of all the different, it's not even worth going into it, of all the different products you created, there was one about, it was digital repo, right? Russell: That was a good idea. Andrew: Digital Repo, man. What was…. Russell: So I used to sell ebooks and stuff, and people would steal it and email it to their friends and I'd get angry. Andrew: Can I read this? How to protect every type of lowlife and other form of human scum from cheating you from the profits you should be making by hijacking, stealing, and illegally prostituting….your online digital products. Russell: Theron, why did you think we were…..Just kidding. So no, it was this really cool product where you take an ebook and it would protect it, and if somebody gave it to their friend, you could push a button and it would take back access. It was like the coolest thing in the world, we thought. Andrew: And there was software that was going to attach your ad to any other software that was out there. There was software that was going to, what are some of the other ones? It's going to hit me later on. But we're talking about a dozen different pieces of software, a dozen different attempts at software. What's one? I thought somebody remembered one of them. They're just the kind of stuff you'd never think of. There was one that was kind of like Clickfunnels, an early version of Clickfunnels for landing pages. Why did you want to get into software when you were teaching, creating membership sites? What was software, what was drawing you to it? Russell: I think honestly, when I first learned this internet marketing game, the first mentor I had, the first person I saw was a guy name Armand Morin and Armand had all these little software products. Ecover generator, sales letter generator, everything generator, so that's what I kept seeing. I was like, I need to create software because he made software. In fact, I even shifted my major from, I can't remember what it was before, to computer information systems, because I was like, I'm going to learn how to code, because I couldn't afford programmers. And then that's just kind of what I'd seen. And then I was trying to think of ideas for software. And every time I would get stuck, instead of trying to find something to do, I'd be like let me just, let me just hire a guy to go build that, and then I can sell it somebody else as well. So that's kind of how it started. Andrew: And it was a lot of different tools, a lot of different attempts, and then this one was the one that you went with. I think this is an early version of the home page, basically saying, “Coming soon, sign up.” The first one didn't work out. And then you saw someone else on a forum who had a version that was better. What was his name? This is I think Dylan Jones. Russell: Oh you're talking about the editor, yes. Okay, so the story was, Todd built the first version of Clickfunnels and Dylan who became one of our cofounders, I'd been working with Dylan as a designer for about 6 years prior. And he his hands, and we talked about this earlier, he is the best designer I've ever seen in my life, he is amazing. He would, but he's also, this is the pros and cons of Dylan. He, I've talked about this onstage at Funnel Hacking Live, so I have no problem saying this. He would agree. But I would give him a project, and I couldn't hear, he wouldn't respond back to me, and I wouldn't hear from him for 2 or 3 months, and then one day in the middle of the night he messaged me, “Hey, rent's due tomorrow. Do you have any projects for me?” and I'd be so mad at him, and I look back at every project we'd done in the last 3 or 4 months that other designers had done, and I'd just resend him all the lists, just boom, give him 12 sites and I'd go to bed. I'd wake up 5 or 6 hours later and all of them were done, perfectly, amazing, some of the best designs ever, and then he'd send me a bill for whatever, and then I'd send him money and he'd disappear again for like 5 months. And I could never get a hold of him. I'd be like, “I need you to tweak something.” And he was just gone. And that was my pattern for 6 years with him. And then fast forward to when Todd and I were building Clickfunnels, we were at Traffic Conversion and we were up in the hotel room at like 3 in the morning trying to, we were on dribble.com trying to find a UI designer to help us, and we couldn't get a hold of all these people, and all the sudden on Skype Dylan popped in, I saw his thing pop up. I was like, “Todd, Dylan just showed up.” And he's like, “Do you think he needs some money?” I'm like, “I guarantee he needs money.” So I'm like, “Hey man!” And Dylan messaged back. He's like, “Hey.” I'm like, “Do you need some money?” and he's like, “Yeah, you got any projects?” I'm like, “Yes, I do.” I'm like, “We built this cool thing, it's called Clickfunnels, but the UI is horrible and the editor is horrible and there's any way we could hire you for a week to fly to Boise and just do all the UI for every single page of the app?” and he kind of said no at first because, “I'm developing my own website builder. I might have spent 6 years on it, so I can't do it.” Andrew: It was this, he had something that was essentially Clickfunnels, right? Russell: No, no. It was just pages though, so it'd just do pages, there was no funnels. Andrew: Right, closer to Lead Pages. Russell: Lead Pages, but amazing. You could move things around. But he did tell me that, “I'm working on something.” So eventually we got him to come, flew to Boise, spent a week, did all of our UI, and then we went and launched our beta to my list. So we launched the beta, got some signups, and then a week before the launch, launch was supposed to happen, all the affiliates were lined up, everything was supposed to happen. He sends me, I don't know if he sent you the video, but he sends me this little video that's like a 30 second video of him demoing the editor he'd built. And I probably watched that video, I don't know, at least a hundred times. And I was just sick to my stomach because I was like, “I hate Clickfunnels right now. I can't move things on my pages, I can't do anything.” I was just, and I sent it to Todd and then I didn't hear from him for like an hour, and he messaged me back and he's like, “I'm pissed.” I'm like, “Me too.” And I'm like, “What do we do?” and I was like, “We have to have his editor or I don't even want to sell this thing.” And I called Dylan and I'm like, “Would you be willing to sell?” and he's like, “No, I'm selling it and we're going to sell it for $100.” It was like $100 this one time for this editor that designed all the websites. I was like, “Dude, it is worth so much more than that. Please?” and we spent all night going back and forth negotiating. And finally, we came to like, “I will give you this editor if I can be a cofounder and be a partner.” And Todd and I sat there, brainstorming and figured out if we could do it and finally said yes. And then him and Dylan and Todd flew back to Boise and for the next week just sat in a room with a whole bunch of caffeine and figured out how to smush Dylan's editor into Clickfunnels to get the editor to be the editor that you guys know today.

Enjoy part one of this classic episode series where Andrew Warner from Mixergy interviews Russell on the ClickFunnels startup story! Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- Good morning everybody, this is Russell Brunson. I want to welcome you back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. And you guys are in for a very special treat over the next four episodes. So let me give you some context on what's going to happen, and why you should be so excited. Alright so, my favorite podcast, other than mine of course, that all of you guys should be subscribed to is called Mixergy. Andrew Warner is the guy who runs Mixergy podcast and I love that podcast because of Andrew. He is my favorite interviewer. If you look at how a lot of people do interview podcasts, they ask questions and I don't know, I've suffered from this in the past as well. I'm not a good interviewer, at least not now. I'd like to learn how to do that skill, but I'm not a great interviewer. And most people who do podcasts with interviews aren't like great interviewers, but Andrew is like the best interviewer I've ever seen. The way he asks questions, how deep he goes and the research he does before the interviews, and all sorts of stuff. Anyway, I love his style, love how he does it so what's cool, I've actually been on the show twice in the past. And the first time, I don't even, sorry, the second time, he totally caught me off guard. I remember he asked me some questions and I didn't really know and I responded and he told me after, he told me live on the interview that he doesn't edit his interviews. He was like, “Well, that was the worst answer you've ever given.” I was like, “Oh, thanks.” Anyway, it just totally caught me off guard, but it was cool the way that he just like kind of holds your feet to the fire. So a little while ago I thought, I want to tell the Clickfunnels startup story. But I didn't want me to just to tell it, I wanted someone who would tell it from a different angle, who would ask the questions that I think people would want to know and do it in a really cool way. So I called Andrew and I'm like, “Hey, I've been wanting to do this thing, and I want to do an event around it. Would you be interested.” And he was like, luckily he said yes. So it's funny, Andrew's famous, I think I might have talked about this in the interview too, but he's famous for these scotch nights he does, and as a Mormon I don't drink so I can't go to his scotch nights. So when we planned this interview, we planned it in Provo, Utah at this place called the Dry Bar Comedy Club. So a dry bar is a bar with no alcohol. So it was kind of a funny thing. We brought those two things, my world and his world together in this one spot to a dry bar, and told the Clickfunnels startup story. And it was cool, ahead of time he did so much research. He interviewed people who love me, people who hated me, he interviewed our old business partners who are no longer part of the business. He did everything and then he came and I told him, “Everything's, you can ask me any question you want. Nothing, no holds barred, feel free to do whatever you want.” So we did the interview and it was about two hours long, and I loved it. I think it turned out amazing. And I hope you guys like it too. So I'll tell you some of the details about the Clickfunnels startup story. How we built what we did, what happened, the ups, the downs, the negatives, the positives. He brings a couple of people up onstage to tell their parts of the story. Anyway, I really hope you enjoy it. So what we're going to do, I'm going to have each episode over the next four episodes be about thirty minutes long so you can listen to them in pieces. I hope iyou enjoy them, I hope you love them. And if you do, please, please, please take a screen shot of your phone when you're listening to it, and go post it on Instagram or Facebook and tag me. And then do hashtag marketing secrets and hopefully that will get more people to listen to the podcast. And then please, if you haven't yet, go rate and review, which would be amazing. So with that said, I'm going to queue up the theme song and when we come back we will start immediately into part one of four of the Dry Bar Comedy Club Interview. Keith Yacky: Clickfunnels has changed a lot of our lives. We all have an origin story. Mine was something similar to, I set up my website on GoDaddy and things were going great. And then Dave Woodward was like, “Dude, you need Clickfunnels.” I'm like, “I don't need a Clickfunnel. I don't even know what a Clickfunnel is.” And he's like, “No, seriously man. This is going to totally change your business.” I'm like, “Bro, I have GoDaddy. They have a commercial on the Super Bowl, Clickfunnels doesn't. But when they do, I'll do it.” Well, boy was I wrong. I changed over and it absolutely changed our business and changed our lives. So thank you for that, Dave. But here's the thing, in every industry there's somebody that comes along that really disrupts the industry, that really changes it, and that really does something amazing for that industry. And as we all, why we're here, we know that person is Russell Brunson. And he has changed a lot of our lives. So before I bring him up here, they have asked me to ask you to make sure you don't do any live recording of this next interview, because the gloves are coming off and they want to be able to present it to the world. You can do little Instagram clips if you'd like, like 15 second ones and tag them. My understanding is the best hashtag and the best clip, gets a date with Drew. I don't know, that's just what they told me. So blame them. But with that, again, no videoing, and let us just absolutely take the roof off this place as we bring up our beloved Russell Brunson. Give it up guys. Russell: Alright, well thanks for coming you guys. This is so cool. I'm excited to be here. So a couple of real quick things before we get started. For all of you guys who know, who came to be part of this, we had you all donate a little bit of money towards Operation Underground Railroad, and I'm really excited because Melanie told me right before I got here the total of how much money we raised from this little event for them. So I think the final number was a little over $13,000 was raised for Operation Underground Railroad. So thank you guys for your continued support with them. Just to put that in perspective, that's enough money to save about 5 children from sex slavery. So it's a big deal and a life changing thing, so it's pretty special. So I'm grateful for you guys donating money to come here. And hopefully you've had a good time so far. Has it been fun? I really want to tuck my shirt in now, I'm feeling kind of awkward. No it's been awesome. Okay so what we're going to do now, I want to introduce the person who's going to be doing the interview tonight. And it's somebody I'm really excited to have here. In fact, I met him for the first time like an hour ago, in person. But I want to tell kind of the reason why I wanted him to do this, and why we're all here. And I'm grateful he said yes, and was willing to come out here and kind of do this. So Andrew runs a podcast called Mixergy. How many of you guys in here are Mixergy listeners? Mixergy is my favorite podcast, I love it. He's interviewed thousands of people about their startup stories and about how they started their businesses. And it's really cool because he brings in entrepreneurs and he tells, gets them to tell their stories. But what's unique about what Andrew does that's fascinating, the way he interviews people is completely different, it's unique. I listen to a lot of podcasts and I don't like a lot of interview shows because a lot of them are just kind of high level. Everyone you listen to with Andrew, he gets really, really deep. The other fun thing is he doesn't edit his interviews. So there was one interview, I'll tease him about this right now. But I was listening to it on my headphones, and him and the guest got in kind of an argument and a fight and then it just ended and they aired it. I was like, “I can't believe you aired that, it was amazing.” And then I was on his podcast a little while later, and he asked me some questions that I couldn't quite understand perfectly, so I was trying to respond the best I could and kind of fumbled through it. And instead of letting me off the hook, his response was, “Man Russell, that was probably the worst answer I've ever heard you give in any interview ever.” And I was like, “Oh my gosh.” So I'm excited for tonight because I told it was like no holds barred and he could ask me anything he wants about the ups of Clickfunnels, the downs of Clickfunnels and anything else, and it's going to be a lot of fun. So I'm excited to have him here. So with that said, let's put our hands together for Mr. Andrew Warner. Andrew Warner: I think my mic is right over here. Thank you everyone, thanks Russell for having me here. Most people will contact me after I interview them and say, “Could you please not air the interview?” And you actually had me back here to do it in person. And you were so nice, you even got us this room here. Check this out, they set us up, they're so nice at Clickfunnels. They said, “Andrew, you're staying here, we're going to put you and your family up the night before in a room.” My wife was so good, look that's her journaling. My kids were playing around, sleeping in the same, sleeping together, enjoying themselves. And then I went to call somebody who was basically let go from Clickfunnels. And my wife goes, “Andrew, why do you have to do that? That's not why they invited you here.” And I said, “I do know Russell. I know the team. They actually did invite me to really help get to the story of how Clickfunnels started, how it built up.” And the reason I was up calling people, understanding the story is because I want to make it meaningful for you. I've talked to a lot of you as you were coming in here, you want to know how they got here, what worked for Clickfunnels, what would work for us. So that's my goal here, to spend the time understanding by interviewing you about how you did it. So I want to go way back to a guy a few of you might recognize, and I know you would, and ask you what drew you to this guy when you were younger? Russell: Don Lepre Clip: “One tiny classified ad in the newspaper that makes just 30-40 dollars profit in a week, it could make you a fortune, because the secret is learning how to take that one tiny classified that just made 30-40 dollars profit in a week, and to realize that you could now take that same exact ad and place it in up to 3,000 other newspapers around the country….” Russell: I'm having nostalgia right now. So this is the story of that, I was 12, 13 years old, something like that, and I was watching the news with my dad. And usually he's like, “Go to bed Russell.” And he didn't that night and then the news got over and I think he thought I was asleep and Mash came on. So Mash started playing and then it got over, and then this infomercial showed up. And I'm laying there on the couch watching Don Lepre talk about tiny classified ads, I was totally freaking out and I jumped up and begged my dad to buy it and he said no. And I was like, “Are you kidding? Did you not listen to what he said?” Did you guys just hear that? That was a good pitch huh? It's really good. I love a good pitch. It is so good. So I went and asked my dad if I could earn the money. So I went and mowed lawns and earned the money and ordered the kit and I still have the original books to this day. Andrew: Were you disappointed? I bought it too. It was the dream of being able to do it. Russell: That's why I like you so much, that's amazing. Andrew: And it's just, all he sent you was a bunch of paper guides with how to buy ads, right. Were you disappointed when you got that? Russell: No, I was excited. I think for me because the vision was cast, it was like, he said right there word for word, you make 40 dollars a newspaper, and if you're disappointed, but he put that same ad in 3,000 newspapers, imagine that. So I had the vision of that, I think the only thing I was disappointed in, I didn't have any money to actually buy an ad. And that was more like, I can't actually do it now. Andrew: You are a champion wrestler and then you got here. Is your wife here? Russell: My beautiful wife right here, Collette. Andrew: Hey Collette. And your dad had a conversation with you about money, what did he say? Russell: So up to that point my dad had supported me, and I figured he would the rest of my life, I think. I don't know. So I was 21 almost 22 at this time, I was wrestling so I couldn't get a job because I was wrestling all the time. Then I met Collette, fell in love with her and then I called my parents and I was like, “Hey, I'm going to marry her. I'm going propose to her and everything.” Expecting them to be like, “Sweet, that'll be awesome.” And my mom was all excited, I'm not going to lie. But then my dad was like, “Just so you know if you get married, you have to be a man now. You have to support yourself.” And I was like, “I don't know how to do that, I'm wrestling.” And he's like, “Well, I'm not going to keep paying for you to do it.” I'm like, “But I literally got the ring. I have, I can't not propose now.” So that was kind of the thing. So it was interesting because about that time there was another infomercial, there's the pattern, about I can't remember exactly the name of the company, but they were doing an event at the local Holiday inn that was like, “Hey, you're going to build websites and make money.” And it was like the night or two days after I told my dad this and he was like, “you're in trouble.” And all the sudden I saw that, so I was like, there's the answer. So I'm at the holiday in two days later, sitting in the room, hearing the pitch, signing up for stuff I shouldn't have bought. There's the pattern. Andrew: Did you feel like a loser getting married at 22 and still counting on your dad for money? Did you feel like you were marrying a loser? Russell: Actually, this is a sad story because she actually, my roommate at the time, she actually asked him, “Do you think he's going to be able to support me in the future?” and he was like, “Yeah, I think so.” I'm like, I didn't know this until later. I don't think I felt like a loser, but I definitely was nervous, like oh my gosh. Because my whole identity at that point in my life was I was a wrestler and if that was to disappear…I couldn't have that disappear. So I was like, I have to figure out something. There's gotta be some way to do both. Andrew: To both what? To be a wrestler and make money from some infomercial? Russell: I didn't know that was going to be the path, but yeah. Andrew: But you knew you were going to do something. What did you think that was going to be? Russell: I wasn't sure. When I went to the event, they were selling these time share books and you could buy resale rights to them, so I was like, oh. And I remember back, because I remembered the Don Lepre stuff, so I was like, maybe I could buy classified ads and sell these things. And then I was at the event and they were talking about websites, and that was the first thing I'd heard about websites. And they're talking about Google and the beginnings of this whole internet thing. So I was like, I can do that. It made all logical sense to me, I just didn't know how to do it. I just knew that that was going to be the only path because if I had to get a job I wouldn't be able to wrestle. So I was like, I have to figure out something that's not going to be a 40 hour thing because I'm spending that time wrestling and going to school. So I had to figure out the best of how to do both. Andrew: And you obviously found it. My goal today is to go through this process of finding it. But let me skip ahead a little bit. What is this website? Russell: Oh man, alright. This is actually, the back story behind this is there was a guy named Vince James who wrote a book called the Twelve Month Millionaire. And if anybody's got that book, it's fat like a phone book. It's a huge book. I read and I was like, this book's amazing. And at the time I was an affiliate marketer, so I had a little bit, maybe a thousand people on my list. So I called up Vince and I was like, “Hey, can I interview you about the book and then I'll use that as a tool to sell more copies of your book?” and he was like, “Sure.” So he jumped on the phone with me on a Saturday and he spent 3 hours letting me interview with any questions I had. And I got to the end of it and I still had a ton of questions and he's like, “Well come back next week and do it again.” So I interviewed him for 6 hours about it. And then we used that to sell some copies of his book and then it just sat there, probably for 2 or 3 years as I was trying different ideas, different businesses and things like that. But every time I would talk to people I would tell them about this interview. I'm like, “I interviewed this guy who made a hundred million dollars through direct mail.” And everyone wanted to hear the interview, everybody asked me for it. So one day I was like, “Let's just make that the product.” And we put it up here and this was the very first funnel we had that did over a million dollars, my first Two Comma Club funnel. Andrew: A million dollars. Do you remember what that felt like? Russell: It was amazing because it was funny back then. There were people, a few people who were making a lot of money online that I was watching and just idolizing everything they'd do. I was trying to model what they were doing. And I'd had little wins, you know $10,000 here, $15,000 here, but this was by far the first one that just hit. Everyone was so excited. Andrew: How'd you celebrate? Russell: I don't even remember how we celebrated. Andrew: You married a winner after all. I mean really. Do you remember what you guys did to celebrate? No. Russell: I don't even remember. (audience responding, inaudible) It was in my list. That's a good question. Andrew: It'll come up, that list is going to come up in a second too. You ended up creating Clickfunnels. How much revenue are you guys doing now, 2018? Russell: 2018 we'll pass over a hundred million dollars, this year. Andrew:  A hundred million dollars, wowee. How far have you come? Russell: Like when did we start? Andrew: Today revenue, as of today, October 2018? Russell: Oh this year? Oh from the beginning of time until now? Andrew: No, no I mean I want to know, you're going to do a hundred million dollars, are you at 10 and you're hoping to get…. Russell: These guys know better than me, do you know exactly where we're at right now? 83 million for the year. Andrew: 83! I love that Dave knows that right, so I want to know how you got to that. I went through your site, pages and pages that look like this. It's like long form sales letters. I asked my assistant to take pictures, she said, “This is, I can't do it, it's too many.” Look at this guys. I asked him to help me figure out what he did. He created this list, this is not the full list, look at this. Every blue line is him finding an old archive of a page he created. It goes on and on like this. How long did it take you to put that together? Russell: It was probably 5 or 6 hours just to find all the pages. Andrew: 5 or 6 hours you spent to find these images to help me tell the story. Years and years of doing this, a lot of failure, what amazes me is you didn't feel jaded and let down after Don Lepre sold you that stuff. You didn't feel jaded and let down and say, ‘This whole make money thing is a failure.' After, and we're going to talk about some of your failures, you just kept going with that same smile, the same eagerness. Alright, let's start with the very first business. What's this one? This is called… Russell: Sublime Net. How many of you guys remember Sublime Net out there? Andrew: You guys remember this? Anyone remember it. You do? Russell: John does. So actually this is the first business for the first website I bought. I was so proud of it, and I spent, I don't know, I wanted to sell software so I was like, ‘what could I name my company?” So I figured out Exciting Software. So I went to buy Exciteware.com, but it wasn't for sale. So I bought Exciteware.net and Collette was working at the time and she came home and I was so excited, I'm like, “We got our first website. We're going to be rich.”  And I told her the name, I was like, “It's Exciteware.net.” and she looked at me with this look like, she's like, “Are you selling underwear, what is the…lingerie?” I'm like, “No, it's software.” And she's like, “You can't, I'm not going to tell my mom that you bought that. You gotta think of another name.” I'm like, “Crap.” So that was the next best name I came up with was Sublime Net. Like the band Sublime. That was it. Andrew: And I was going to ask you what it was, but it was lots of different things. Every screenshot on there is a whole other business under the same name. What are the businesses? Do you remember? Russell: There was website hosting, there was affiliates sites, there were, I can't even remember now, trying to remember. Everything I could think of, resell rights…. Andrew: Lots of different things. How did you do, how well did you do? Russell: Never anything, very little. I remember the first thing I ever sold was an affiliate product, I made $20 on it through my Paypal account, because I remember that night, I do remember I celebrated. We went out to dinner and I had a Paypal credit card, and we bought dinner with $20 and then the guy refunded the next day. It was so sad. But I was proud that I had made money. Andrew: How did you support yourself while this was not working? Russell: I didn't. My beautiful wife did, she had 2 jobs at the time to support me while I was wrestling and doing these things. She was the one who made it possible to gamble and risk and try crazy things. Andrew: Can I put you on the spot and ask you to just come over here and just tell me about this period and what you felt at the time? Is that, I know you don't love being onstage, Russell is good with it, but I know you don't love it. If you don't mind, I'm just going to go with one more story and then I'll come back to you. You cool with it? Good, she seems a little nervous. Actually, wait. Let's see if we can get her right now. Oh you are, okay. Russell: Everyone, this is Collette, my beautiful wife. Andrew: Do you want to use his mic? Collette: Sure. Russell: She's so mad at me right now. Collette: I wanted to come to this, who knew? Andrew: You are like his, he's so proud that he had no venture funding. But you are like his first investor. Russell: That is true. Collette: Yes, I'll be his first investor. Andrew: Can you hold the mic a little closer. How did you know he wasn't a loser? No job, he's wrestling, he's buying infomercial stuff that doesn't go anywhere. We know he did well, so we're not insulting him now, but what did you see in him back then that let you say, ‘I'm going to work extra hard and pay for what he's not doing?' Collette: What did I see in him? It was actually his energy, his spirit, because I'm not going to lie, it was kind of not love at first site, we had, we were geeko's, do you know what I mean? Shopped at the Goodwill, in baggy pants and tshirts, I don't know. But it was the person who just was always positive and we had the same goals. Andrew: That's the thing I noticed too, the positivity. When these businesses fail, we're showing the few on the screen, it's easy to look back and go, ‘ha ha, I did this and it was interesting.' But at the time, what was the bounce back like when things didn't work out? When the world basically said, you know what as sales people, when they don't buy your stuff it's like they don't buy you. When the world basically said, ‘we don't like you. We don't like what you've created.' What was the bounce back like? Hard? Collette: No, because I come from a hard working family. So I work hard. So you just work hard to make it work. Andrew: And he's just an eternal optimistic, and you're an eternal optimist too, like genuinely, really? Collette: Yeah, I guess. It works. Andrew: His dad said, ‘No more money. You had to cut up your credit cards too.' Collette: Yeah. Andrew: What was, how did you cut up your credit cards. What was that day like? Collette: Hard. Yeah hard. Those that don't know, I'm a little bit older than Russell. So I've always had this little bit of independency to go do and buy and do these things, and then all the sudden I'm like, step back sista! You gotta take care of this young man, so we can get to where we're at. Anyway, but now… Andrew: Now things are good? Collette: Now things are amazing. Andrew: Alright, give her a big round of applause. Thanks for coming up here. These businesses did okay, and then you started something that I never heard about, but look at this. I'm going to zoom in on a section of the Google doc you sent me. This is the call center. The call center got to how many employees? 100? Russell: We had about 60 full time sales people, 20 full time coaches, and about 20 people doing the marketing and sales, so about 100 people in the whole company, yeah. Andrew: 100 people doing what kind of call center, what kind of work? Russell: So what we would do, we would sell free CDs and things like that online, free CDs, free books, free whatever, and then when someone would buy it we'd call them on the phone, and then we'd offer them high end coaching. Andrew: And this was you getting customers, how? Russell: Man, back then it was pre-facebook. So a lot of it was Google, it was email lists, it was anything we could figure out to drive traffic, all sorts of weird stuff. Andrew: And then people come in, get a free CD, sign up for coaching, and then you had to hire people and teach them how to coach? How did you do that. Russell: Yeah, that was the hard thing. When we first started doing it, I was just doing the coaching. People would come in and we had a little, Brent and some of you guys remember the little offices we had, and we'd bring people in and we were so proud of our little office. And they'd come in and we'd teach them for 2 or 3 days, teach an event for them, and then as it got bigger it was harder and harder for me to do that. So eventually, and a lot of people didn't want to come to Boise. I love Boise, but it's really hard to get to. So people would sign up for coaching, and then they'd never show up to Boise and then a year later they'd want their money back. So we're like, we have to get something where they're getting fulfilled whether they showed up to Boise or now. So we started doing phone coaching, and at first it was me, and then it was me and a couple other people, and then we started training more coaches, and that's kind of how it started. It was one of those things though, at  first it was just like 5 or 6 of us in a room doing it, and it worked and so then the next logical thing is, we should go from 5 people to 10 to 20 and next thing you know, we wake up with 100 people. I'm like, what are we doing? We're little kids, it scares me that I'm in charge of all these people's livelihood, but that's kind of where it was at and it got kind of scary for me. Andrew: Sometimes I wonder if I'm hiding behind interviewing because I'm afraid to stand up and say, ‘here's what I want. Here's what I think we need to do. Here's how the world should be.' So I'm amazed that even back then, after having a few businesses that didn't really work out, you were comfortable enough to say, ‘Come to my office, I'm going to teach you. I've got it figured out.' When you hadn't.  How did you get yourself comfortable, and what made you feel comfortable about being able to say, ‘I could teach these people. Come to my office.' Who call up, who then become my coaches, who then have to teach other people? Russell: I think for me it was like, when I first started learning the online stuff and entrepreneurship, I think most people feel this, it's so exciting you want to tell everybody about it. So I'm telling my friends and my family and nobody cares at first. And you're like, I have to share this gift I've figured out, it's amazing. And nobody cares. And then the first time somebody cares, and you just dump on them, you want to show it to them. So I hadn't made tons of money, but I had a lot of these little websites that had done, $30 grand, $50 grand, $100 grand. So for me it was like, if I can show these people, I know what that did for me, it gave me the spark to want to do the next one and the next one. So for me it was like I want to share this because I feel like I figured it out. So that was the thing coming in. We weren't teaching people how to build a hundred million dollar company, but we're like, “Hey, you can quit your job. You can make 2 or 3 thousand dollars a month, you can quit your job, and this is how I did it. This is the process.” So that's what we were showing people. Just the foundation of how we did it, and we showed other people, because they cared and it was exciting to share it with other people. Andrew: Is Whitney here? There she is. I met her as she was coming in. I wanted to get to know why people were coming to watch this, what they wanted to hear from you. And Whitney was asking about the difficult period, the why. I'm wondering the same thing that she and I were talking about, which is why put yourself through this? You could have gotten a job, you could have done okay, why put yourself through the risk of hiring people, the eventual as we'll see, closing of the company, what was your motivation? What was the goal? Why did you want to do it? Russell: I think it shifts throughout time. I think most entrepreneurs when they first get started, it's because of money. They're like, ‘I want to make money.' And then you get that and then really quick, that doesn't last very long. And then it's like, then for me it was like, I want to share that with other people. And then when other people get it, there's something about that aha moment where you're like, oh my gosh they got it. They got what I was saying. And that for me was like the next level, the next high. It was just like, ah, I love that. And back then we had some success stories coming through, but now days, it's like the bigger success stories come through and that's what drives it on. That is the fascinating part. That's why we keep, because most software company owners don't keep creating books, and courses and inter….but when people have the aha, oh my gosh, that's the best for me. Andrew: That's the thing, you get the high of the thing that you wanted when you were growing up, that you wanted someone to show it to you, and if you could then genuinely give it them, not like Don Lepre. But Don Lepre plus actual results, that's what fires you up. Russell: That does fire me up. That's amazing. Andrew: What happened? Why did that close down? Russell: Oh man, a lot of things. A lot of bad mistakes, a lot of first time growing a company stuff that I didn't, again, we just woke up one day it felt like, and we were in this huge office, huge overhead, and about that time, it was 99, 2000 something like that, and there was the merchant account that me and most of the people doing internet marketing at the time, we all used the same merchant account, and they got hit by Visa and Mastercard, so they freaked out and shut down. I think it ended up being 4 or 5 merchant accounts overnight, and we had 9 different merchant accounts with that company, and all of them got shut down instantly. I remember because everything was fine, we were going through the day and it was like 1:00 in the afternoon on a Friday. They came in like, “None of the, the cards won't process.” And I'm like, couldn't figure out why they weren't processing. We tried to call the company and no one's answering at the company. Finally we get someone on the phone and they're like, “Yep, you got shut down along with all the other scammers.” And then she hung up on me. And I was like, I don't know what to do right now. I've got 100+ people and payroll is not small, and we didn't have a ton of cash in the bank, it was more of a cash flow business. And Collette actually just left town that night, and she was gone. I remember Avatar just came out, and everyone was going to the movie Avatar that night, and I remember sitting there during the longest movie of all time, and I don't remember anything other than the sick feeling in my stomach. I was texting everyone I know, trying to see if anyone knew what to do. And everyone was like, “We got shut down too.” “We got shut down.” Everyone got shut down. And we couldn't figure out anything. So we came back the next day and I called everyone up, and actually kind of a funny side story, I had just met Tony Robbins a little prior, earlier to this. So that night I was laying in bed, it was like 4 in the morning, and my phone rings and I look at it and it was Tony Robbins' assistant. And I pick it up and he's like, “Hey, is there any way you can be in Vegas in three hours? There's a plane from Boise to Vegas and Tony wants you to speak at this event. It's starting in three hours. You need to be on stage in three hours.” I'm sitting here like, my whole world just collapsed, I'm laying in bed sick to my stomach and I'm like, “I don't think I can. I have to figure this thing out.” And then he tells Tony, and they call me back. “Tony says if your business is…if you can't make it, don't show up. You're fine.” So I didn't go and then the next morning I woke up and there was a message on my phone that I'd missed. I passed out and I woke up and it was a message from Tony. And he was like, “Hey man, I know that you care about your customers, you care about things. I don't know the whole situation, but worst case scenario, if you need help let me know, and we can absorb you into Robbins research or whatever and you can be one of my companies, and that way if you want, we can protect you.” And I heard that and I was like, “Okay, that's the worst case scenario, I get to work with Tony Robbins? That's the worst case scenario.” So then I called up everyone on my team and I was like, “Okay guys, we gotta try to figure out how to save this.” And Brent and John and everyone, we came back to my house and I was like, “Okay, what ideas do we got?” And we just sat there for the next 5 or 6 hours trying to figure stuff out. And then we went to work, and I wish I could say that everything turned around, but it was the next probably 2 or 3 years of us firing 30 people, firing 20 people, closing things down, moving down offices. Just shrinking for a long, long time, until the peak of it, it was about a year after that moment, and we were in an event in Vegas trying to figure out how to save stuff, and I got an email from my dad who was helping with the books at the time, and he said, “Hey, I got really bad news for you. I looked through the books and it turns out your assistant who is supposed to be doing payroll taxes, hadn't paid payroll in over a year. You owe the IRS $170,000 and if you don't pay this, you're probably going to go to jail.” And I was like, every penny I'd earned to that point was gone. Everything was done and we'd lost everything and I was just like, I don't know how to fight this battle, but if I don't fight it I go to jail apparently. And I remember that's a really crappy feeling. Brent, some of you guys are reliving this with me right now, I know. I remember going back that night, laying in bed and I was just like, “I wish I had a boss that could fire me, because I don't know what to do, how to do it.” And that was kind of, that was definitely the lowest spot for me. Andrew: And you stuck with him? Wow, yeah.

Let me take you behind the scenes of what we're doing to sell out Funnel Hacking Live once again. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody. This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back the Marketing Secrets Podcast. Today, I want to tell you guys a secret about how to fill live events. All right everybody, as you guys know, we are coming down to the final stretch of Funnel Hacking Live. I think we're less than 60 days. Dang, two months. Less than two months away. Whew. It makes me nervous just saying that, from Funnel Hacking Live happening, which is exciting. It's been almost 18 months since the last Funnel Hacking Live. I hope you're excited. I think most of you guys are going to be there, which is exciting. If you aren't going to be there, literally, do you hate money? Do you hate growth? Do you hate relationships with amazing people? Do you hate hearing me talk? Those are the only logical explanations that I can think of. I say that with making sure that you need to be there. If you don't have your tickets yet, go to funnelhackinglive.com. The show is on. Right now we're in the final stretch. Tickets are almost sold out, and we sell out every year, but this year we're selling out earlier, because the venue's smaller. We only have 3,500 seats versus last year, we had 5,000 people in the event. We pre-sold more tickets the last Funnel Hacking Live than ever before either. Anyway, we're almost sold out. If you don't have a ticket yet, now is the time to go. The other interesting thing is, this is the first and hopefully the only year we're doing a virtual as well, just because a lot of countries, people actually can't get to here, which is frustrating. Other than that, I've always been anti virtual, but we had to, this time around. If you aren't able to come, you're locked out of the country, or whatever, or you're nervous about people, which is understandable as well, there's a virtual option this year, but that one is also almost sold out. If you're getting tickets, now's the time, but anyway, I digress, as we're getting towards the final stretch. We're like, "Okay. Well, I just want to get done selling tickets," because selling tickets is a grind. If anyone who has ever done a live event or a virtual event, it's a lot of work to continually sell tickets. Right? That's the place that we're in now. I was like, "I just want to get it done with. How do we just sell the last batch?" Like, "Let's get it over with." It's funny, because every year we try to reinvent the wheel. Like, "How did we sell these last year? What campaigns work the best?" We went back through, and we looked at ticket sales. We saw there was a week or two, where we sold hundreds of tickets a day, right? We're like, "What did we do during that week?" We went back and found the emails. It was funny, because of course, here's me reinventing the wheel. Hopefully in a year from now, someone can remind me, "Russell, don't forget, this is what we did last year," but I'm sharing this with you guys, because the thing that we'd done in the past that sold more tickets than anything else, outside of at the last year live event, we sell tickets to next year's, that sells the best. Number two, when we do the kickoff Webinar this year, that sold a ton of them this year for us, which we'd never done that in the past, so kickoff Webinar. Then the third biggest thing to sell tickets has always been taking things away, right? Taking away a bonus or increasing the price, things like that, and usually throughout the promotional campaign, we always are doing little things like that. Right? We're increasing the price. We're taking away a bonus. We're doing this. Last year, we had this great idea, which I forgot about until just recently. We had each speaker jump on a Facebook Live with me, just for a quick 10, 15 minutes. I jump on, I talk about who they are, what they're talking about. We do that tease, like "This is what we're going to talk about." It's really exciting to get people pumped about being there, talk about that speaker's experience at FHL. It's just a really fun thing. Then at the end of it, I said, "Hey, for those who were coming to FHL, do you want to give them a bonus to make sure they show up?" Each speaker then gives a bonus. It's crazy. Some speakers are like, "Here's my three-day live event. Here's my $2,000 course. Here's my..." People are giving crazy stuff. Right? Each speaker gives away a bonus. Today, depending when you're listening to this, I've probably done five or six at this point, but I did the first one today. It was with Peng Joon. Peng Joon giveaway is literally a $3,000 event, a three-day live event, the virtual recordings of it, in a member's area and everything, which is crazy for everyone who got their ticket from Funnel Hacking Live. What we do is, we start doing the speaker offer stack. Today Peng Joon gave his bonus. We send emails with a list. Say, "Hey. Go watch Peng Joon's Facebook Live. By the way, he gave everyone this bonus, if you guys get your tickets this weekend." Right? Then next week I think I have three or four Facebook Lives. Each one with two speakers, jumping on, and we're doing this thing. Then each of those speakers, I'm asking them the same thing. Like, "Hey, what bonus do you have?" Then, they'll give us a bonus, and they'll give us a bonus. These bonuses will keep stacking, keep stacking, keep stacking. Then each email goes out like, "Hey, don't forget. Here's Russell's bonus. Here's Peng Joon's. Here's so, and so's. Here's so, and so's, and here's three new bonuses added today." It keeps getting bigger and bigger, and offer stack gets bigger and bigger. What happens during this week or two weeks of these interviews, the sales come in slow, and they get bigger and they get bigger, because the offer keeps getting more and more insane, til eventually, it's like, "I would literally be insane to not get my tickets." Like, "Do I, even if I don't show up to the event?" Like, "I still need to get the thing, because this bonus has gotten so good." It gets bigger, and bigger, and bigger. We do that as we go through all the speakers, and at the very end, now that the offer stack is insane, if you show up to Funnel Hacking Live, you're getting all the speakers, these amazing products. You get to know the speakers ahead of time, plus you get to come to the event, plus all the other bonuses, and all the other things. Then after we built that up, then we take all those bonuses away. We do a three-day cart close, where it's like, "Hey, you can still get tickets, but you'll miss out on this." Like, "Here's the offer stack of all the things," and we pull that away. That pull away, those three days is when we were selling 200 or 300 tickets a day, every single day. It's crazy. We don't have that many tickets to sell this year. I don't know how far we'll get into it, but again, I found the campaign. I was like, "Oh my gosh, of course." We've restructured it, and we're doing it again right now, but for any of you guys who were trying to sell tickets, this is a powerful way to do it. Then what else is cool is that today, Peng Joon, he Instagrammed his audience. Like, "Hey. Check out this Facebook Live I was on." Now he's selling tickets for us as well. Right? Then, yeah. It's just really interesting, because all of this. You're getting the speakers to promote it. You're promoting it. You're increasing the offer, and you're able to pull the offer away. It's just a powerful, unique strategy we're using to sell a ton of tickets. Anyway, I hope that helps. I've tried a lot of things to sell tickets, and like I said, looking at this, is the thing that's worked the best. Make sure you're watching us, if you're not, go make sure you follow me on Facebook. That's where these are all streaming too. Actually, I think it streams to Facebook, LinkedIn, a whole bunch of other places as well, but go and watch that. You'll see the campaign. You'll see what we're doing. You watch, as the offer gets more and more insane. Then when we pull the offer away, that's when the huge ticket sales come through. Anyway, I love this game. I hope you guys can see that. I hope you can feel it. It's so much fun, and I love sharing with you guys behind the scenes, what we're doing. Hopefully you guys can model it for your events. It worked for virtual events, worked for live events, worked for all sorts of things. That said, thanks, you guys for listening. Appreciate you all, and we will talk to you all again soon. Definitely the next podcast episode, but hopefully more importantly, at Funnel Hacking Live. If you don't have your tickets yet, now is the time. You don't want to miss it. The only logical reason to not go is, if you hate money or you hate me. If you hate me, you probably shouldn't be listening to this podcast anyway. If you hate money, you probably aren't listening to this podcast. That means you. Yes, if you're listening right now, you need to go. Pull over the side of the car, pause this thing, open up a new browser window, go to funnelhackinglive.com, and get your tickets. If you're not sure if you want tickets, go watch the video at the top of funnelhackinglive.com, then go get your tickets. It's that good. All right, guys. Appreciate you all. Thanks for listening, and I hope you guys have an amazing day. Talk soon.

A little behind the scenes on the thought process of what we did and why. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody. This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the marketing secrets podcast. So today I'm excited because we officially just purchased our first company, which is crazy. And so I will talk to you about that today, what I learned and some things that might help you along your journey as well. All right. So I can't tell you all the details yet because we're still... I don't know, we'll officially announce it to the world, what it is, why and all that kind of stuff later. But we finished signing all the paperwork today, which is crazy because two days ago I had to sign 96 signatures and there was like another like 20, and then there was a couple more. So it's like over a hundred and something signatures I had to sign to officially get this company. And it's exciting. It's our first ever acquisition. Now I bought a lot of things in the past. Right. I bought traffic secrets. We bought mastermind.com, I bought bootstrap, salesfunnels.com. Like we bought really expensive domains, but not like full, active acting businesses. Right? This is the first time where it's a business that we purchased that has huge cashflows and all sorts of crazy stuff. And I wanted to share with you guys just because hopefully it gives you guys just a different way to look at business. It's definitely given me a different way to look at business, which is one of the reasons why we did this. And a lot of you guys know my philosophies and principles on business, right? That's what we talk about all the time, that's what my books are about. This is what my podcast is about and there're different ways to grow a business, one way is that the more traditional where you get an idea, you get a bunch of investors, you raise money and then you go and you create something cool. I hate that way, as you know. So we are the bootstrapped way, which is like create something amazing and then create fronted offers that self liquidate to bring customers in. And that's the bootstrap model we've been doing that, I love. But there're other ways to grow a business as well. And this one I wanted to talk about, because this has been something really, really interesting to us, and I'm not going to share all the stats, the numbers and all that kind of stuff. Partially because I don't know if I'm legally allowed to partially because I don't know the numbers I wasn't involved with all of the day-to-day because I'm no longer the CEO, Dave did all the work. I've just had to sign a million times. So I wanted to give you like some structural concepts to think through that were really, really cool for me. So part of my understanding of this dates back to about a decade ago, I was actually at a mastermind meeting in Mexico and sitting next to this dude and he is different kind of business person than me, right? Like I'm like startup guy, start a business, grow it, scale it, launch it all that kind of stuff where he was like, he told me, he's like, I'm not an entrepreneur, you're an entrepreneur, you start stuff, it's amazing. I'm in mergers and acquisitions. And I think he had bought like 60 or 70 businesses and bought and sold and made a ton of money. And so I was trying to understand them. I'm like, so you never started a business? He's like, no, you guys do that, that's way too hard. He's like, what I do instead, is I find entrepreneurs like you, and he's like, what you have to understand... And I'm probably going to mess up these numbers but this is just illustration purposes. Right? He said if you look at your businesses, right, he's like at a certain level, let's say you're at like $3 million. He's like, you're only going to sell for like a three X multiple. Right. So maybe you'll get 9 million for it. He's like, but at $10 million you'll sell for a five X or 10 X, multiple or whatever it is. Right? I don't know. But like this was what he was explaining to me, okay. He's like, so right now, let's say your company's making $3 million, like best case you're going to get three X and it's probably closer to three X net. But anyway regardless, he said, so what I do is like I find three or four companies that are each doing $3 million a year. And they're each valued at three X, let's say. He's like, and I buy all four of them or all three of them. Let's say it's four companies at 3 million each bundled together. He said, now because the revenue of this new company is now $12 million. He's like, I can sell that. So I bought it for three X, but I can sell now for six X, for 10 X or whatever it is. It's like, that's all I do. I just find a market. I want to be in, I find three companies that are selling it three X. I buy all three of them. I bundle them together and now they're worth five X or six X or whatever it is. And I flip them and he's like that's my business. He's like, so I have these entrepreneurs like you guys who are geniuses, who will start launch these businesses. And I just come in as the acquisition guy acquire three or four of you bundle you together and then your value goes up because of how much more you're worth. And that was his business. And I was like, oh my gosh, this is crazy. And so it's been interesting over the last 12 months, with click funnels I try to understand, what are our evaluations, how do things work? What are we actually worth? In my head we're worth like 10 billion, but we're probably not in real life. And so it's interesting because... The evaluation game is annoying me because there're tons of ways. Like some companies evaluate off top line, some are just off EBITDA, somewhere are off whatever. But let's just say for example, let's just say click funnels is worth 10 X, our EBITDA. Right? And I don't even know what that is. Let's say it's $50 million. So that means 50 million times 10 would be worth half a billion. Right? And so by us acquiring this company, let's say that company has, I don't know, $20 million EBITDA. Right? I'm messing these numbers in my head, but regardless, let's say we spend, I don't know, 20, 30, 40, $50 million in this company, we buy it. Right? And we plug it in. But then the EBITDA, let's say the EBITDA they had is worth $20 million. Right? We plug that into our thing it increases our EBITDA $20 million times of 10 X valuation is 200 million. So maybe we spend, you know, whatever 40, $50 million buying this thing. But the value instantly adds for our company is a hundred million or 200 million or whatever it is. Right? So instantly just by bundling the two companies together, our value goes up way more than what we actually spend for it. So that's like the first thing that's really, really interesting that I had never considered until we started doing this deal. Right? It's like, oh my gosh, even if like we never make our money back the value of our company dramatically goes up because we're adding all their revenues and their profits to our bottom line, which is like fascinating. And then from there we also get the customer flow and the lead flow and the cash flow and like all the other things that come with building a company or buying a company as well. And it's just, the synergy is really, really interesting. And so anyway, that was again, our first acquisition, and now we're finishing the process. We literally finished it today, which was crazy. It got me excited to start thinking like, okay, what other deals like this are there where we can buy company for X amount dollars. We plug it into our, our beast, our machine and it instantly, whatever X is the value of our company, but then also get lead flow, customer flow, cash flow, all other things as well kind of come in. And it's really interesting and fascinating. So anyway, just a different way to look at business that I wanted to kind of share with you guys because I've already had a lot of people, like, why are you buying a business? Why would you do that? All the things that kind of come with that. And I want to share that because it's just a different perspective I hadn't thought a lot about prior to 10 years ago when I met my merger and acquisition guy. And so I would look at that for you guys' own businesses as well. Like think about is there a business that in your market that you could acquire that you could bundle together. All of a sudden now you get more customers, you get more traffic, but also you're adding to your cashflow, right? Like you buy the company, doubles your cashflow and now it increases the value of your company because now you're in a different bracket of what businesses are selling for and trading for, that number. And then it kind of goes from there. So anyway, it's an interesting game. It's a different game than I'm used to playing. I'm much more comfortable in the whole, like let's build a company and grow it and scale it through paid ads and organically without taking on any VC money. That's the world I understand. And this new one of like mergers and acquisitions is fascinating to me because it's going to get us to our goals way faster. My goal we've talked about a lot. My goal is a billion dollar evaluation. My goal is take over the world, change the world, all these different things. Right? And it's just getting us there faster. Hopefully. I mean, honestly, I'm like 30 minutes into owning this new company and I have no idea. Maybe it'll actually turn out really bad. Maybe things fall apart. I don't know we're going to find out, but I'm hopeful. I'm excited. I think it's going to be a really cool opportunity. And so as we move forward, I will share with you guys in the podcast here, behind the scenes of what we're doing. When I'm able to, I'll talk more about the companies and how they're synergistic and how we're using their lead flow and how we're using their funnels that we're acquiring and how we're using us in the backend and how we're... Just all the other fun things. Honestly, in my head, a lot of it's, not vague. Like I know a vision of where I'm going with things, but we're going to be actually executing on it and I'll be sharing the vision with my team and with everybody over the next little bit. And it's exciting. So anyway, it's a fun time to be alive. So many fun things happening. I hope this episode just gets you thinking a little bit differently. Who could you acquire? And if not acquiring, there's also like licensing, there's three or four deals right now where we're going to existing companies that have really good content or software things. And instead of acquiring them full out, because maybe they don't have the customers or maybe they don't have the lead flow or maybe whatever, there's a million reasons why instead we're just doing licensing deals where we're licensing the technology and plugging it in and then we can start selling it or licensing their intellectual property, licensing things like there's a lot more fun ways to grow businesses than just the traditional stuff. So, anyway, I'm curious if you guys are interested, would you want to know more information about us buying companies, would you like more information about licensing? Like what would be the things that you guys would want me to go deeper on? I'd love to hear it, let me know. The best way to do that is actually take a snapshot of this podcast episode, post it on Instagram or Facebook and tag me in it and then post in the comments. Like what else you'd like to know? Like what would be other things that you'd love to hear more about? So anyway, I hope that helps. I'm going to go bounce and have some lunch and celebrate the acquisition of our new company. I'm so excited. I just wanted to celebrate that with you guys right now and help you understand a little bit reasons why. And like I said, over the next few months, now that you have context I can share more the insights, details, and other cool stuff as well. So that's it, thanks so much, and we'll talk to you all again soon. Bye everybody.

Enjoy this classic episode from the vault. Russell explains that the day you became an entrepreneur is the day you took personal responsibility for a problem that wasn't your own. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody, this is Russell. Welcome to a late night episode of Marketing Secrets. Hey everyone, I'm about to head to bed but I listened to a podcast this week from Ryan Moran, from capitalism.com and he's got the Freedom Fast Lane show podcast, which is pretty awesome. I love it a lot and he goes deep into the ecommerce side and also business investing and other things that I don't typically focus on, which has been fun for me to kind of listen to him and world. But he said something in one of his presentations, it was a stage event somewhere,  I don't even know, a few episodes back. And I don't remember how he said or what he said but it sparked a thought in my mind. So I'm probably going to slaughter how he said it. He said it probably much better than me, but the concept was so cool. What he basically said is the difference between entrepreneurs and the rest of the world, yes we are different folk if you haven't noticed. But what he said was interesting, he said, entrepreneurs are the people who see a problem and then take responsibility for it. Isn't that weird?  I think about the world we live in today. The problem is most people don't responsibility for anything. Even though they do things that are really bad or wrong or whatever, they won't take responsibility. They want to blame it on their mom, or their brother, or their sister, or whoever. The world is all about blaming someone else for all the issues that it has. What makes us entrepreneurs weird is we see a problem and instead of blaming somebody else, we look at it and say, “I'm going to take responsibility for that problem, I'm going to figure out an answer.” And when I heard that I was just like, oh my gosh, that is so interesting. Because most people don't do that. Most people don't see an issue, a problem and then be like, “I'm going to take responsibility for that.” I was thinking about this with Clickfunnels for example. For a decade we tried to build funnels and it was frustrating. And yeah, we could have blamed everybody else, I'm sure we did. Everyone else did that, it's the tech designers, the developers, programming is hard, all the things. It wasn't for us until we said, you know what it does suck and I'm going to take responsibility for it, this is my issue now. And then we figure out a way to solve it. And that's when everything changed. That's so fascinating. For you, as an entrepreneur, or someone who wants to be an entrepreneur, I think if we all make conscious decision of what we are doing is consciously saying, “That problem right there, I'm taking on myself, I'm taking responsibility for that.” Instead of doing what most of us do, what's our human nature. “Oh it's them. Oh it's her.” I didn't fix anything because of this, because of this. We just want to pass the blame, pass the buck so often, but that's what makes us weird.  That's what makes us different. It makes entrepreneurs, entrepreneurs. We see those problems, we see those issues and we take a personal responsibility for it. I was thinking about this as I was looking at the Inner circle meetings over the last couple of weeks. I could go through all 100 of my entrepreneurs and share this, but just a couple of them off my head. Pamela Weibold for example, she was a doctor and she started seeing all of her friends who were doctors committing suicide. Person after person after person. And she could have sat there and blamed this, blamed that, but instead she stopped and said, “I'm going to take personal responsibility for this issue and I'm going to save doctors lives.” And she's gone out there and done that. She's created a platform. She's one of the most amazing people I've ever seen. She's literally spent every penny she's ever made to go and save doctors lives. She's like, “I can live on 20 grand a year, I'm good. Every penny I make goes back into helping save doctors from committing suicide.” Because she took that as her own personal responsibility. That's not her responsibility, it's not her fault. Yet, she looked at it and said, this is my responsibility. That day she became an entrepreneur. You think about another one, Annie Grace, who is so cool. She's someone who her whole life drank socially. It got to a point where she kept drinking and drinking and she couldn't break away from it. And she started looking around and it wasn't just her, it was other people and she went on this mission and started saying….and again, drinking is not her responsibility. People struggling and trying to give up alcohol addiction, that's not her responsibility, she's got better things to do with her life. But she looked at it and said, “This problem, I'm going to take responsibility for it.” And she's gone out and changed thousands of people's lives. Thousands of people she has helped break away from this addiction that's robbing them of their freedom, their happiness. She took that personal. She didn't have to, she didn't need to but she decided to and that day she became an entrepreneur. I could go through person after person after person after person, the day that they looked at this thing, this problem that wasn't even supposed to be their own, but they saw it. And whatever it was, I don't know if tuition, if it's God, if it's a spark, if it's your brain. Whatever it is, you see it and there's that spark saying, “That one's mine. That is the problem I'm going to fix and I'm going to take personal responsibility. It may not be my fault, but I am the one who's going to fix this and change it.” And that's what makes you different as an entrepreneur, and it's fascinating and exciting. And if you wondered, how do I become an entrepreneur, how do I do that? It's time to start looking at that and saying, “Instead of pushing responsibility on different places, different things, different people, different whatever, look at a problem and take on that responsibility yourself. And that's the game plan, that's how it works. Anyway, I heard that three or four days ago and it's been ringing through my head over and over. I keep thinking about person after person after person in my inner circle, and entrepreneurs I work with, and inner circle members, and Two Comma Club members, and I look at the people around me who are serving and doing stuff. Every single time I could link back to, that is the problem they took personal responsibility for. They didn't have to, they didn't need to, but they did. And that's the magic. So I hope that helps you guys. I hope that rings through your head and makes you start looking and being more aware of the stuff around you that's happening and trying to figure out what it is that you're going to take personal responsibility for. Because when you do that, that's the day you'll become an entrepreneur, and that's the day you will literally change the world. Thanks you guys, so much for everything. Thanks for your support, thanks for your effort. Thanks for your contribution to the world. We love you guys, we appreciate you guys, we enjoy serving you guys. And we're so grateful that you listen to this podcast. If you like this podcast and learn anything from it, please go to iTunes and subscribe and share it with another entrepreneur who could help. Thanks so much you guys. Talk to you soon.

On this episode we answer a question from one of our listeners. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody. This is Russell Brunson, welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. Tonight, I'm going to have a special episode, actually. Someone on Instagram, who I've become friends with recently, been talking back and forth, asked me a really good question about feeling uninspired, and low confidence publishing and wondered what I do to keep myself confident and motivated. And I think the answer may surprise you. So, I wanted to do this as an episode instead of just responding back to him directly, and hopefully it'll help a lot of you guys out as well. All right everyone, so like I said, one of my new friends Alex, he had posted on Instagram or he actually sent me a DM, a question, and I thought it was really good question. I think it's something that I know I personally deal with way more often than I'd like to admit, and I'm sure a lot of you guys do as well. And so I thought I would, instead of just responding to him personally, respond through a podcast and hopefully it'll give you guys some value as well. So this is what he wrote. He said, "Hey man, question for you. If you ever find yourself feeling uninspired, low in confidence to publish every day or put yourself out there, what are some of your go-to activities to create lasting peak state again, where you feel full of fire, belief and vision. I'm in a spot that haven't been in a long time. I'm committed to breaking out of it, and I have faith that I will. I have a feeling that finding the right catalyst to help spark the fire again is the key." Anyway, so I thought it was really good question. And again, I think my answer may be different than him, or even probably most people think. And so to put it in context, I'm going to give you a quick glimpse at my life recently. It's summertime here at the time that I'm recording this, and I've got five amazing kids, three teenagers and two younger kids. And my teenagers have a party every night, something planned with friends and everything. And there's no school. And they're like, "Well there's no school tomorrow." I'm like, "Yeah, but I still have to get up tomorrow at six. I still have things to do. I still have all this stuff." My poor wife and I, usually during school time we put them to bed at nine and we've got two hours by ourselves before we pass out. Where now they're getting home from friend's houses around 11, and then we're trying to put them to bed. And then it's midnight, and then one, and then one thirty and then we're so tired. And right now is a really busy season, we are like 60 days away from Funnel Hacking Live. P.S. if you don't have your tickets yet go to funnelhackinglive.com. And I find myself now every morning, literally waking up and I am feeling, I think exactly what Alex is feeling. I wake up and I'm tired, I'm uninspired, I have low confidence. I don't want to publish. I don't want to talk. I don't want to get a bed. I don't want to work out. It's tough. Today, I set my alarm for six and I snoozed it for an hour and a half. I kept pushing it over and over and over again. And I actually, this morning as I was going to the office. I was like, "Why am I struggling so much?" And I start thinking back, and I think in my mind, I think in most of our minds, we assume that we're always like, there are seasons and times when we're on fire and full belief and vision, all these kind of things. But when I started like really looking back, I started thinking about different parts of my life, especially some of my favorite parts of my life. And if I really remembered, I try to... I think most of the times our memories remember the good things and we fade out the bad, right? It's like, when you have a baby. Five minutes after my wife gave birth, if I was like, "Let's have another baby," she would probably strangle me. But then, a day goes by, then a week and then a month. And within three or four months, you forget the pain. All you remember is this cute little baby and you're like, "Oh, we should have kids again. It was so much fun." And then all of a sudden you're pregnant. You're like, "What was I thinking? Why didn't somebody tell me about this?" I think it's the same thing in life. Like if I honestly think back, I think back about wrestling. That was my first passion, my first love. I remember winning the state title. I remember these big things that are amazing, but if I'm really honest, I try to remember the practices. I remember cutting weight. I remember not eating for four or five days in a row, every single week for my entire high school career. And cutting weight, and not having energy, and being tired in class and like cutting weight. Those who've cut weight know what I'm talking about, but I was doing that. And I don't think that there was a time when I was really... It didn't feel good, I didn't enjoy it. It was hard. It was miserable. But then the thing at the end happened, and it was amazing. And because I had this desire, and this belief and this hope in the thing at the end, that's why I kept doing it. Cause I was like, "Ah, someday I want to win a state title. Someday I want to be an All-American, someday." And I had these things, so I put myself through these things. And then afterwards I hit the goals. You don't hit the goals and you remember the positives, and you remember these things and you kind of fade out the negative. But the reality is that a lot of times going through the stuff, like the day by, day by day, you don't come into it super inspired, and tons of energy, and high confidence and all those things that we think we are, or we're looking for, we're thinking it's going to happen. At least not that I remember, as I'm trying to be completely honest with myself, I'm remembering the practices and leading up to them, and most days I didn't want to go to practice. Like I did because when I got into it, I enjoyed it. But going to practice, I would dread. And then fast forward, most of you guys I think know, I had a chance to serve a mission for my church for two years. And so for two years I was on this mission, and I'm knocking doors, and I'm teaching about Jesus, and doing these things and had a great experience. Looking back now, it's one of the greatest highlights of my life. If I remember, every morning waking up, and we'd wake up super early, and study scriptures and do these things, and we were tired. And those who haven't been on a mission, or have never seen like the Mormon missionaries before, like you don't get to go on dates, you don't get to call home, you don't get to... You're with a companion and you don't go to movies, you don't have a TV, so it's tough. I remember every morning waking up, and knowing I had to go knock on doors, knowing I had to go do these things and dreading it. Like, ah it was hard consistently. And then we're going out and knocking door, and usually within doing it for a little while, it'd become fun. And we'd talk to people, like I enjoyed it. And as I'm enjoying it, I'm like, "Why was I so complaining? Like why was I so tired this morning? Why was I so miserable? I actually enjoy this stuff," but I still did. And if I look back on my mission now, it was two years I was out there. Like I would wage, I would bet that most mornings I woke up dreading having to do the work I actually had to do. And now I started thinking about this, about my entrepreneurial career. And again, I think back about all the highs and the big wins and all these kinds of things. But if I'm completely honest with myself, throughout the day by day, and the week by week, it was not sunshine and roses. I didn't wake up inspired, and excited and have tons of confidence and wanting to publish. Like it came... Usually me waking up and dreading it, and then going and doing it. And then as I started doing it, it was like, "Oh, I actually do enjoy this. This is kind of fun." It was weird to me because two days ago I was working on this webinar, and all day at the office I was having fun, I was doing it and I got home. And then first I was excited, "Tomorrow's going to be fun to work on it." But then again, my evening happened and it was crazy, and kids get to bed at midnight and I'm asleep at 1:00, and my alarm is going off at six in the morning and I'm just dreading going the office. Like, "I don't want to open the slides. I'm too tired. I don't want to work on it." And like, I'm miserable. Right? Uninspired, low confidence, like all these things. But I woke up, I did the thing, got out there, got to the office and started working on it. And then as I got back into it again, it became fun and I enjoyed it. And then eventually I'm going to do this webinar and I'm going to be stressed out. I'll probably pull all-nighters ahead of time, and then do the webinar and it's going to make a bunch of money. Then I'll be able to celebrate and all I'm going to remember is the celebration. Right? The baby came out, we made a bunch of money. Someone got baptized. Whatever the result was that I was working towards. And I'll Remember that, and it's all I remember is like how great it was. I mean, we did this event, the Funnel Hackathon event. It was interesting because, I was teaching a webinar model. I was like, we launched ClickFunnels... I always tell them they should do a webinar a week, every single week for a year. And I was like, "I tell people that, but that's not what I did." I was like, "I was doing at least a webinar a day, some days two or three webinars a day." And if you've ever done a webinar, like a two hour webinar, it's like working a nine hour or eight hour workday. Right? So you're doing three back-to-back-to-back, six hours of straight webinars. Like in my head, I remember this amazing thing in me, closing sales and like how amazing it was. But if I'm honest with myself, It was horrible. I couldn't talk, I was tired. I had no energy. I didn't want to be there. I didn't want to do the second let alone the third webinar that day, knowing that tomorrow I'd wake up and do it again. And it's just interesting because I think our brain blocks out so much those things. So I'm not saying that we can't be inspired, have high confidence in those kinds of things. But my bet is in most situations, most mornings you're going to wake up and you're going to be uninspired, you're going to have low confidence. You're not going to want to publish. You're going to want to go out there. You're not going to want to do a webinar, you're not going to want to publish your podcast, you're not going to want to knock doors. You're not going to want to go read a book, you're not going to want to write a book. You're not going to want to... Whatever the thing is. Because that's the reality of life, at least as far as I've experienced it. I try to think back like, when were the mornings I woke up super excited? And there have been some, I can tell you there have been, but they are few and far between. The thing that gets me moving in the morning is not the feeling of inspiration or confidence or anything in the morning. It is the vision of the thing at the end. It was me knowing I wanted to win a state title. Not just knowing I want to be a state champ, but knowing like in my heart and my soul and my gut, that's all I wanted. That's all I wanted in life was that, I wanted to get my hand raised. And it's because of that I was willing to go through anything. My coach has said, "You got to lose 30 pounds this week." Which happened every single week. I was like, "Okay." They're like, "Hey, you've got to go run four miles right now. You got to do this." Like I just said yes to everything, because that was the goal. That was the... Like, whatever it took to get there, I was okay with it. So the vision, the goal is the thing, but it doesn't mean you're going to feel the things I think we want to feel. I want to feel like, wake up in the morning, I want to go run. I want to go do these things. I want to go... But I don't think I ever feel those things. And maybe I'm the one that's messed up, I don't know. But if I'm honest with myself, I don't remember really feeling those things. I don't remember any morning when my alarm went off and I woke up feeling like I wanted to go run, feeling like I want to go lift weights again. Maybe every once in a while, but it was rare. The thing that was a constant was like this North Star, it was the vision. And again in high school, it was winning a state title and it was being an All-American, that's all I could dream about. Like I'd sit there without any food or water in my stomach for weeks... For not weeks, but days at a time, miserable, cutting 25, 30 pounds a week, every single week, week in and week out, over and over and over again. Being thirsty beyond any kind of anything you can imagine. For those who have never cut weight before, you think that that being hungry is hard. Like people who skip a meal and they're like, "I'm so hungry." Like hunger pains are easy. Thirst pains are bad. Like you skip water for a day, your hunger pains disappear and you can not eat for a week. Fine. But that those thirst pains like keep you up at night. But again, like what was the thing? It was the vision and it was doing it when you're not inspired, doing it when you don't feel like it, because you're normally not going to feel like it. Like right now, we're 60 days away from Funnel Hacking Live, I have so much work to do. We are rebuilding three different coaching programs and I'm tired. I've got six core presentations, nine total presentations that I haven't started on. I'm rewriting a core webinar that I have to do. We've got film dates. We've got events. We've got... If you guys saw my schedule for the next 60 days, you'd probably laugh or cry or a little bit of both. And I tell you what, I don't want to do most of it. But guess what I do want to do? I want Funnel Hacking Live to happen. I want... When it's over, the night Funnel Hacking Live ends, when I go to bed at night, there's this feeling that I don't know. It's not as good as getting my hand raised and wrestling. I'm not going to lie, but it's this feeling. And I felt it before, I feel like when the whole thing's done, and you see people and you see their change, and you see them leave and you get to go home and be in your room for a minute and just be like, "We did it," that feeling, that vision and seeing like the ripple effect that will come from that room, from the 3,500 people who will be in the room, that ripple effect that will come out from there around the world. That vision of that. Like for me, it's a tangible visually. It's like, I can see... For me, it's like I see the audience, I see this huge rock going boom, and hitting it. And the ripple effect goes to 3,500 people in the room. Then from there, it goes out to millions and millions of people around the world. That vision of that is what gets me moving and going. And for some reason, I wish... I keep thinking or wishing that vision would make it so I woke up every morning inspired, excited, with energy, but it doesn't. Because the reality is, if that's all it was, was the vision. I think we'd be able to... If the vision affected us, so we felt so good that was easy, then it would be easier. But for me at least it doesn't. So anyway, if any of you guys got a secret, let me know. But for me, it's just waking up thinking about, this is the thing. This is what I'm working towards, I want it, I'm going for it. And then start the process. And like I said, after I start the process, usually it feels good, but it's that initial momentum that's not fun, right? Like the initial waking up and going to the gym is not fun, but then when you start lifting. It's like, "Oh, I actually enjoy this." Getting up, getting dressed, getting to the office, not fun. Start working your slides, you're like, "Oh I actually enjoy this." This podcast episode for example, my brother who does my podcast is going out of town. He's been asking me for a week and a half for three episodes. And right now it is 11:27 at night, and I've been dreading this podcast all day long. I've been thinking about it and like talking myself out of it, like dreading it. Literally, I don't want to do this podcast. I don't want to do it. I'm tired, I just want to go to bed, I got so much stuff. Like I finally got my kids to bed. Now, last thing in the world I want to do is publish my podcast, the last thing I want to do. But now I'm 14 minutes and 25 seconds into it, and I'm actually really enjoying this. I could go for the two hours. Like I'm feeling the energy now, right? But initially you don't have it. And so I think that's the biggest thing is just, understanding that it's the initial momentum. That's the hardest part. In the morning you wake up and you're out of momentum, like getting back into momentum. That's a hard thing. And so most people, most humans on this planet never get back into momentum. They're just like, ugh. They just stop, right? So the thing that's going to get you from this stagnated stop spot is like, either the memory of the vision or the dream of the vision. When I was wrestling, it was the dream of being a state champ. Right now it's the memory of last years Funnel Hacking Live and the experience that I felt afterwards. Like, that's the thing that gets me out of bed into momentum, and with the momentum I start feeling more inspired, I start feeling more confident. I start listening, they start happening, but they don't happen right out of the gate. Most mornings, you're going to wake up not wanting to do with the thing you got to do. You're not going to feel good. You're not going to feel inspired, have confidence, any of those kinds of things. So it's like, you got to have this vision that pulls you into momentum, and then momentum picks up and that's when you start feeling good and start having fun. And right now, I want to go film 12 more podcast episodes, which is good because my brother told me I need to give him three by tomorrow. So, this is the first one, I've got two more tonight and I'm really excited about one of them, so I'll probably do that one next because now I'm in momentum. I'm feeling good. And anyway, so I hope that helps. I think the biggest thing that I want to share is just that if you're struggling every morning, for any of you guys, like that's okay. So do I, every morning, Very, very, very rare do I wake up and like, "Yes, let's go. Like, this is the thing." It's unfortunately not there and I don't think it's there for most people. And if it is there for you, that's amazing. Like run. That means you're waking up already in momentum, start running. Don't stop. But for most of us it's, man, making that vision. It's like what we talked about for wrestling, so clear, so vivid, so real, that you would go through anything to get it. First time I saw someone win a state title and I was like, "That's what I want more than air," literally, like more than food, more than water, more than friends, more than anything. And it became that real, that tangible that vivid where I could feel it, taste it, touch it, like smell, I could envision it. Like that's when I was willing to do anything and I did do anything, like literally. Insane things we did to get that goal. And same thing rings true in business. Right? Like when we started building ClickFunnels and I started seeing... At first it was hard for me, because I didn't know it was going to become what it was. Like I'd tried to build ClickFunnels three times before and every time we'd fail. So Todd's like, "I'm going to build ClickFunnels." I'm like, "Cool," so we started building it. But as soon as I saw it and I was like, "Oh my gosh, this is really good. Okay. Like, all right." And I saw the vision what it could be, then it was like crazy. But again if I remember back, we used to do these hackathons. Todd would fly out before we launched ClickFunnels and spend three weeks in Boise. And we would go all day, all night and like sleep for three or four hours, get back up and keep going. And I don't think it was fun. Like looking back now, the nostalgia of it's amazing. Like, oh these were like the greatest times of our life. Like times I'll never forget, but in the moment they were horrible. I did not enjoy them. I was tired. I was miserable. I missed my family, missed my kids, missed my things. We didn't know if this was actually going to work. Like, there's all these things, but we did it because I'd seen the vision. Todd had seen the vision. We knew that there was something there. And so we pushed, and we pushed, and we pushed, and we grind through it. And now looking back, those are some of the best times. So, you got to do it in spite of the uninspired, in spite of not feeling worthy, or ready or whatever. Get yourself momentum, like hook to the vision, hook to the thing you have and it start running. So anyway, I hope that helps. It gives probably not the answer you're looking for. I wish I had a better secret magic button, but it's just understanding and realizing every morning, like, "All right, I don't want to move, but I got to. Let's go." So, I hope that helps. Thanks so much everyone for listening, and have a great night and we'll talk to you all again soon. Bye everybody.

This is when you'll know your offer will actually start converting. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- What's up, everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. I am at Lake Powell. If you've been listening to some of these past episodes you know that I'm on family vacation right now. I'm unplugged, and so I am stuck to my thoughts, which has been really fun, and just thinking through a lot of things, and hopefully... In the past, people told me that Lake Powell episodes are some of the best ones. Hopefully this gives you some ideas, some ahas, some insights in you, your life, your business, and a bunch of other really cool things. Okay. So what I want to talk you guys about today is actually something that happened right before we left for Lake Powell. So obviously I've been playing this marketing game for a long, long, long, long time. Right? I love building funnels. I love creating offers. I've been doing it for as long as anyone I know. I've been doing it... I think I'm on, like, my 20th year or so. I've been playing this game. I love it and I think I'm pretty good at it. I'm not the best at all areas of it, but I think as a whole, I'd say I'm in the top 1% of people who play this game and I enjoy it. Hopefully you enjoy it as well. And I enjoy talking about it, hopefully as you enjoy listening to me talk about it. But I had little things that happened right before I left that was really, really cool. So we brought in a couple of new people on our team, some really, really good copywriters, conversion analytics people. And we're looking at some of our old funnels that have done well traditionally. In fact, specifically looking at our book funnels. We have three really good book funnels, my Dotcom Secrets, Expert Secrets, and Traffic secrets books, which have a lot of traffic to those funnels. Traditionally have done really, really well. And the question was, could we make these better? And one of the reasons why we had to do it is be one of our offers, upsell number two, we had to change out because it was a partnership with someone and we had to change it out. And so it got us kind of thinking like, well, how do we change this? And as long as we're changing it, let's brainstorm again. And so it was nice because I had a whole bunch of people who weren't me, who weren't there initially when we brainstormed the book funnel and we sat down and said, "Okay, let's kind of talk about this. What can we do? What does it look like?" And specifically there's someone new on our team. Her name is Sabah and she's awesome. And that's all I'm going to tell you because I don't want you guys hiring her away from me. She's really, really cool. But she went through all of the offers and the upsells and everything, and I made kind of a pallet. Here's like all the stuff we have. We have basically unlimited... I've created a billion products. I'm like, "We have unlimited content. We do whatever we want. Well, what should we create?" And so I kind of gave her the pallet. She spent a couple of days and came back. We started looking at this upsell flow and it was really cool for a couple of reasons. One is it's interesting, things that you kind of forget. Like at my events, when we teach upsell flows, I always talk about the importance of the strategic flow of your upsell flow, right? That people always ask me, "What's the first price point? What's the second price point?" And price point is not the important thing. It's the flow. Like if someone buys this, say they bu the Dotcom Secrets book. So it solved the problem for them. Now they have this book that's going to show them how to funnel. So next upsell has to solve a new problem. So that by buying this first product, what is the new problem it created, right? So if you bought Dotcom Secrets book, for example, now you know how to make funnels, but now you're like, "I don't know how to get traffic to my funnels," or, "I don't know how to write, copy for my funnels." Or whatever the next problem is. Or, "I know how to build a funnel now, but I need help. I need someone to hold my hand. I want coaching. I want accountability. I want..." Whatever. There's a million things it could be, but it's very strategic. And what I realized, interestingly enough, is that, and I wonder if you guys do this too, or if it's just me, but sometimes my ego gets in the way. And so my book funnels were, I literally built the book funnels because I wanted my first upsell to be Dotcom Secrets or the secrets chosen, my box set of all my books. Which is cool because it's like now everyone has a chance to buy my books. And I forced that as the upsell on all three of my funnels, but looking at the actual data and numbers, they didn't... I mean, they convert good, but not amazing. I didn't change it because I was like, "Well, that's what I want to sell, that's what I want to sell," as opposed to me asking the question, "Well, what do people actually want to buy?" And so what was cool was when Saba came back and said, "Okay, let's look at all these different offers." She kind of restructured things. And she took like my book offer where right now, you buy the books and you get this one book for free. And it's really, really cool. She's like, 'What if we did that, plus we gave them this?" I think it was One Funnel Away Challenge. "Plus we gave them this software over here, and plus we give them...". It was like five or six things. And I remember like, as she's going through, I was like kind of sick to my stomach, like, ugh. But I didn't say anything, because I'm trying to be cool, you know? And I don't want to... I hate when you're brainstorming, someone comes in and has all the negative things to say about it. So I felt this like sick feeling in my stomach where, I was like, oh, okay. And then she talked about upsell number two and then proposed upsell number three. And upsell number two was like, we can give them this, and this, and this. I'm like, "You can't do that because this one's like a thousand dollars, and this one's this over here." And I was kind of freaking out. And the next upsell, she's going through it, and in my head, I'm just stressing out because I'm like, "We can't sell these things for that cheap. This is insanity." I'm just like this feeling of just like uneasiness because of this. And then we sat there, we were talking about it and we're looking at, and I was drawing it out on a whiteboard trying to map it out in my head so I could come to grips with this whole thing. And all of a sudden, I stopped for a moment, and I was like, "Oh my gosh. Look at this internal anxiety I have going through this process." And I started thinking about that. And I was like, oh my gosh. I am struggling because this offer is so good that I don't want to do it. Now what do you think about an offer that's so good that you feel sick to your stomach actually giving it somebody because it's such a good deal? That's probably the right offer, right, if you're trying to make an irresistible, one-time offer. You're like, "I sell of this course for $97. I'll sell it to you for 97 bucks." That's an offer, but it's not an irresistible, insane offer. When you are sick to your stomach because you're like, there's no way we can do this. I can't give people this and this and all these things for this price because it's not worth it to me. You're sick to your stomach? That's when you're close. That's when you probably have the right offer. And for me it was this big aha of just like, oh my gosh, I've been stingy. I've been trying to feed my ego and trying to make sure that the offers are the things that I want to sell, not what people actually want. And then looking at it from, okay, I'm not just making an offer, I got to make something irresistible. If I want to go from like a 15, 20% conversion rate on an upsell rate to a 40, 50%, it has to be irresistible. We're in the process right now of purchasing a company. I can't talk about it yet. As soon as we finalize it... In fact, the deal might be finalized when I get back from Lake Powell. So I'm sure you will hear me shouting it from the roofs. But the funnel, we're literally buying this thing because the funnels are so good. Like when someone buys a product through the funnel, the average cart value is like $180, which means, I can spend $180 to sell this front end product, which is crazy. It's so good. But you look at the upsell flow and it's the same thing. It's the most insane, irresistible offer where you... I'm sure when the person we're buying the company from was first putting it together, he was sick to his stomach, like, "Oh, I could easily sell this for a thousand bucks or $2000 or more." And he's like, "I'm just going to do it for $97." Like, wait, wait, what? You can't do that. This is insane. "I'm sick to my stomach. We spent $50,000 creating this thing. I can't sell it you for $97." And when you get that internal dialogue in your head where you're fighting it because this doesn't make any logical sense, that's when you probably have an actual irresistible offer. That's the key. And that was my big humbling this weekend, or this week before I came out to Lake Powell, was that. And I've been thinking a lot about it, like sitting on the boat. As I'm sitting here I'm thinking like, "Man, I felt so much anxiety and frustration." Is kind of like how many of you guys have ever seen the greatest show of all time, 24? If not, you should pause this right now, go watch all the eight or nine seasons of it and then come back and finish the episode. Otherwise you're going to... It's more important than anything else you could be doing right now is watching every episode of 24. But I digress. So there's this bad guy in 24 and he's the president. President Logan? I can't remember exactly. It's been a while since I've watched it, but he's the president. And I remember that at first I thought that the guy who played the president, I was like, I hate this character. I hate him. And every single episode, it got worse. I was like, I hate him. I remember being so angry, upset watching, episode, after episode, after episode. This president was such a horrible person and so angry. And I was like, I hate him. Why did they pick him to be the actor? Why these things? And being so frustrated and angry and I couldn't sleep. And I was so angry at this person, this president, I hated him so bad. And all of a sudden one day I stopped and I was like, oh my gosh. Look how I feel right now. I hated this guy, but I'm realizing now, I don't hate him. He's probably one of the best actors I've ever seen because he's making me have this visceral response to everything he's saying. And all of a sudden I was like, oh my gosh, he's not the worst character of all time. He's the best character. To make me hate him that bad is magical. Same thing when I first met Ben Settle. I joined Ben Settle's email list and I used to get the daily emails. And I remember I kept reading them and kept reading them and they would annoy me so bad, get me so frustrated. And it was probably two or three weeks into this email sequence where I was like... And I don't unsubscribe from anything ever. And I remember the emails were coming in. I read one. I was so upset that I was going to unsubscribe because I was so angry at him and his philosophies, and his thoughts and everything. I was like, oh, and I was about to unsubscribe. I stopped for a second. I was like, oh my gosh, look how I feel. Notice how he's making me feel right now? He's giving me, once again, this visceral response where I'm like angry, and upset, and frustrated. And so much so that I wanted to like, oh, and I was like, oh my gosh. I think prior to that I was like, he's the worst marketer ever. I hate this guy. He's wrong about everything. And all of a sudden I was like, oh, oh my gosh. Look how he's making me feel. He's an amazing marketer. He got me to feel this way. Never in my life I've read every email from a marketer and I'd read every email of his for months because I was so angry and so upset and so frustrated. And I was like, I bought his thing. I bought the other thing even though I hated him and frustrated by it and annoyed by him. In fact, the first time I met Ben, I told him that story. I was like, "Just so you know, like I hated you at first." I was like, 'Every email that would come, I would get so annoyed and so upset and all of a sudden I realized, oh, look at how he made me feel." To cause this kind of feeling in me shows that he's a master, not someone who's bad. And so a lot of times I want you to start noticing how you're feeling as these things are happening to you because a lot of times our brain is pushing us one way and hating this thing where it could be like the greatest thing we could have learned. And so, anyway, I wanted to share that because that's how I felt when we were going through this upsell flow. And so next time you're creating an offer and you're working on your upsells, your down sells or your, whatever your thing is, you're working on, I want you to start thinking about that, like how do I make this offer so good that I literally am sick to my stomach and frustrated and angry and like, oh, I can't do this? Like, there's no way we can give people this much value. We just can't do it. And all of a sudden you're like, that's it. We got there. We finally got to a point where I don't want to do this because I feel like the value is so high. Like they always say in any good offer, but any kind of good business deal or business partnership, both people should feel like they got the better end of the stick. Right? And if not, it means that someone felt like they got a worse end and that's not good. You want both people to feel like they got a better end of the stick. So if I make an offer so good, I'm like, this is insane. I can't do this because it's such a good offer, and honestly feeling that way deep in your gut. And then the customer coming in like, "Oh my gosh. They only want $97 for that?" Or $200, whatever the price is like, oh my gosh. Now both sides feel like they got the better end of the stick. That's how to make irresistible offers. That's how you create raving fans. That's how you create amazing offers. Anyway, I wanted to share it with you guys because it was interesting. It was fascinating. And I hope that helps you guys. Go back to your old offers. Look at the upsell flow and be like, what else could I add? What else could I add? What else could I tweak? How can we make this offer better? How can we make it better? How can I up this offer? How can I increase it even better? And keep thinking through that. And the better you make the offer, the more likely people will be to give you money. A lot of times people are like, "My upsell's not converting. What do I need to do?" I'm like, "Your offer sucks. Make a better offer." "This is the best thing I've got." Well then make something better. Like, what else can you give them? What else can you create? What else can you invent? What else can you put together? You need to make something that is so irresistible that they look at it, they're like, "I have to give them money. I need this thing. This is such a good deal. It's such a good offer. I have to give them money." That's the feeling they have to have or else you missed it. So anyway, with that said, I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. Hopefully you guys go back and look at all of your old funnels, all your old offers. Look at things you're doing and figure out what else can I bundle? What else can I add to make the software even more irresistible? And keep doing it until you feel sick to your stomach. And that's when you're probably to the spot where your offer's finally going to start converting. Okay, I hope that helps you guys. I appreciate you all. Thanks for listening, for subscribing, for hanging out. If you liked this podcast, please do go to iTunes and leave me a review. That'd be pretty sweet. And with that said, I'll see you guys on the next episode. Bye everybody.

If you're struggling in any area of your life, it's probably because this equation is out of balance. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- Hey, what's up everybody. This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to Marketing Secrets podcast. This week, I am at Lake Powell, I'm unplugged and that means I have no internet access. I've got no ability to check email or social media or anything, and all I can do is sit and think and play the water with my kids and my family. It's been really fun. But during that time, I had time to think about some things. And so I want to share with you some of my thoughts today, specifically about how much we produce and how much we consume. All right, everybody. Last year when I was at Lake Powell was the very first time I had a chance to start reading Atlas Shrugged. And to me, as you've heard me, I did a podcast with Josh Forti earlier year. There's like four or five hour-long podcast talking about Atlas Shrugged. I'm not going to get into that today, but as I was preparing for our Lake Powell trip that we do every single year with our kids, would come down here, we get a houseboat and we just have a fun time with some of our family and friends and stuff, I just kind of started craving that book again because I'd read it last time I was on this trip, and I start thinking about it. I was like, oh. I started listening to the audio book again on the drive down. And while I've been here during my free time, I'm listening to the audio book and it's been really fun to hear it a second time. It's interesting, the first time you read a book, especially a book like Atlas Shrugged, which I think it's like 15 or 1600 pages, it's a very intricate story. Ayn Rand wrote it in the 40s or 50s, and it took her, I think, 11 years to write the book. Just the John Galt speech alone took her two years to write, which is crazy. And so in a story like that, people back then... In fact, I got some photocopies of the original manuscripts. It wasn't like on a computer, it was on typewriters, like handwritten. When someone's writing something that complex and spending 11 years on it, there's a lot of things you don't catch the first time through. These storylines are so cool, and these things that are happening in conversations you missed the first time around. I was like, "Oh my gosh, this is so cool." Just been a really fun experience to go back into that book again and really enjoying it. What's interesting to me is, I don't remember where this came up and it's not specifically tied to the book, but the thought that you're reading a book and you have thoughts start popping in your head, and the thought I started thinking about it a lot was about basically our job as entrepreneurs, or people for that matter, is to make sure that we are producing more than we're consuming, right? To truly understand this, I think one of the core lessons or things you have to understand is just how money works, how people make money in this world. Money is a by-product of value, right? The more value you provide somebody or a group of people, the more money you make, right? For example, if someone is an accountant, they may make, I don't know how much accountants make, let's say a hundred grand a year, right? Just make numbers easier. They have one client and that client's paying a hundred grand a year and they're making pretty good money because they're providing value to that one client, right? But they make $100,000 a year, which depending on where you're at, that's either a lot of money or not very much money. But you take that same accountant, instead of them just being account for one client, if they say, "Man, I want to provide more value in the world," that accountant can start their own accounting company. They can, instead of one client, take on 10 or 20 or 30 clients. Maybe they need to hire some associates and hire some other accountants underneath them. Eventually they've got a business where now they're doing accounting for say a hundred people. That little accounting company might make $1 million a year. The accountant who started at might take home, four, five, $600,000 a year. He's still got the same amount of hours in the day as anybody else, but he or she figured out a way to provide more value. Instead of just doing accounting work for one person and making a hundred grand, they do it for 20 people now and they make a million. Even though they have more costs now, more risks, we've got to pay for other employees and they got to pay for these different things, because they're able to provide more value, they end up making more money. Money is a direct correlation to value. That's just a core principle that I didn't understand for a long time. It's the reason why a teacher who works in a school could be super, most talented person in the world, best teacher in the world. But if they're teaching for a classroom and they're getting paid their 50, $60,000 a year as a teacher, and they teach the kids that come through, that's all the money they're able to make because they're not finding any more value. What if that same teacher took their message and started publishing a YouTube channel and started reaching millions of people, they may go from making 50, $60,000 a year to $1 million a year teaching the same stuff, but their getting out to more people. Now instead of 100 kids a year hearing their lessons in a school, now they're getting a million people a year listening to it through a podcast or through YouTube channel, through some other means, and they're providing more value to more people, so that's how they make more money. All these things are tied together. That's one principal for everyone to understand. If you don't know, don't write it off yet. I don't make enough money. Well, how much value are you providing? You're providing to one person. Can you provide that same service to 10 people, to 20 people? The more value you provide, the more money you're going to make. The natural order of things is how it works. The thing that I was thinking about recently was just how important it is that we are providing more value. We're producing more than we're consuming. In all aspects of life. I first start thinking about it from a business standpoint where if you consume more than you produce, what happens? If you consume more than you produce, then you go into debt, and it's not good. Let's say you decided, "Oh, I make $1 million a year, I want to buy a house." But the houseboats cost $3 million. So, you go and you buy a houseboat for $3 million, you're $2 million in debt. You're consuming more than you're producing, therefore you're in trouble. If you want to have something bigger or nicer or whatever it is, you have to learn how to produce more than you consume. That's going to give you more money. In this book Atlas Shrugged, that was one of the big things it talks a lot about, was just the producers. In the book, you've read it, the society is trying to give everyone based on their needs and their wants, not so much their production. The premise of Atlas Shrugged is these producers. They need to go out, they're and producing, and eventually the producers go on strike because it's not worth it for them more because of all the government regulations and social pressures and all these things that make it where it's no longer beneficial for them to actually become producers. In the world we live in today, that's it. If you want to make money, you got to produce more. We have to create more value. If you want to save money, if you want to get nice things, you have to produce more than you can consume. That's like a universal principle. I started thinking about it, just this week since I've been sitting on the boat and eating more than I normally do. I noticed that I am consuming more than I am producing. For our bodies, what do we produce? We produce energy. We go and we work out, we run, we walk, we do things. If my production is more than my consumption, then what happens? I lose weight, right? But if I consume more than I produce, so I'm eating more calories than I'm burning, then I gain weight. As I'm watching my kids running around, it's funny because I feel like I'm active. I'm an active dad, but I watch my kids running around and they're producing so much energy and burning so much that they can eat whatever they want. They stay tiny and skinny. It's crazy because they're producing so much. As we get older, we keep consuming, we consume more and more and more, cause we've got bigger bellies and we can eat more and all these things, but we produce less. We don't exercise much. We don't run. We're not running around. When I look at my daughter, Nora, when she goes from one end of the houseboat to the other, she doesn't walk. She's sprinting the whole time. They're just producing more energy, which makes them lose more weight. Again, if you look at a weight loss or energy management, the goal, again, is to produce more than you consume. I start thinking about universal a principle that is in all aspects of life. In a relationship. I want to make sure that I am producing more value to my spouse than I'm consuming. We're in great relationship. All of us need to be focusing on that, on production, producing, producing energy for your body, producing value for the marketplace, producing happiness for your spouse, for your kids. Bad things happen when that metric gets flipped, where we start consuming more than we produce. You consume more food than energy produced, what happens? We gain a lot of weight and it gets really hard. We consume more stuff than we have money that we've produced. We've consumed more than the value we produced. What happens? We get into debt. We get upside down, we don't have any money in savings, we don't have any money to invest. because we're doing those things. In a relationship, if you are consuming more than you're producing, it's a lopsided relationship. It's not fair to anybody. This becomes a universal value, a universal thing in all aspects of our life. And the more I keep thinking about it, the more use cases I keep finding for this one thing, it's this ratio of production versus consumption. If any of you guys feel like I want to consume more, I want to eat more, cool. You should do it, but you've got to produce more energy so you can burn that way. If you want nicer stuff, you want to consume more, I want a nice house, I want a nice car, I want a nice whatever, cool, do it. That means you've got to produce enough to be able to afford it. You got to create more value, produce more value, and then it's okay. We had a conversation last night with one of the teenagers here. He asked me if I was scared when I bought my house, or something like that. We have kind of a crazy house. I said, no, because if you look at it, based on the average person buys a house and takes some 40 years to pay it off. And so while their house may cost way, way less than mine, I was able to pay my house off in two years. Maybe it's three years. Anyway, whatever it was. But it's because I was producing more. Ratio-wise, it wasn't very much. Because my, because I was producing more value, which made me more money, which now made it so that I could buy this house and it didn't seem like a lot. Just like my kids can go and they can literally sit down at dinner and eat 8,000 calories and they don't gain a stitch of weight. Where if I'm over 1800 calories in a day, I start gaining weight, because I'm only producing 1800 calories worth of energy in a day. If I'm not there, I start gaining weight really, really quickly. It all comes down to this ratio. Anyway, I know it's common sense. We know these things, but it just gave me a different way to kind of look at things because it's a universal principle in so many areas of our life. How much are we producing? How much are we consuming? If we're consuming more than we're producing, we're gaining weight, we're in debt, we're having these problems. If you're in any of these things, any area of your life where you're struggling, look at this ratio? Are you producing more than you're consuming? If so you're probably in a spot where your relationship's great or your energy and your body is great, or your bank account's great, whatever those things are. And if not, I bet you that that ratio is off and becomes a very simply now for us to look at, to diagnose and figure, okay, I want these things. I'm trying to do these things, but there's a math problem here. I am consuming more than I'm producing in this area of my life. I got to double, triple, quadruple down to produce more than I can consume when I want to, because now the ratios make sense. You can go buy a $20 million house. It doesn't matter if your productions side, if now the ratio works and it's not insane. The insanity happens the other way when you're consuming more than you're producing. There's the math problem. There's the metric. There's the thing to start thinking through. As I was thinking about it again, for myself, it just got me excited and started thinking about all the areas of my life that I'm not happy, looking specifically, this one ratio. Am I consuming more than I'm producing? If so, that's probably why I'm not happy. You probably don't have the energy. You probably don't have the money. You probably don't have the relationship because I'm consuming more than producing. There's a lens to look at the world through for all of you guys. I hope you enjoy it. It's been fun for me over the last couple days. I'm sitting here on the boat, looking at different areas of my life and realizing either I'm doing really good or really bad, and it's all coming down to this one ratio of production versus consumption. Hope you enjoy this. Thanks again, guys, I appreciate you. Hopefully you're having great summer vacations as well. Enjoy time with friends and family, and I will see you guys back here on another episode soon. Bye, everybody.

How to take six weeks off without stressing even a little bit. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- Russell Brunson: What's up everybody. This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back the Marketing Secrets podcast. Right now, I'm at Lake Powell. I've been on the boat, the houseboat and jet-skis, and we did a waterboard, it's a type of Flyboard where you literally feel like Ironman flying through the sky. We just got done wake surfing, our kids have been wake surfing. It's been an insane week and I'm here with my friend, John Jonas. I'll introduce you guys here in a second. And for me, it was a lot to take a week off. I had no cell phone access for a week and John hasn't worked in eight years, 12 years. Just kidding, he's basically taking six weeks off. He is the person in my life who somehow has figured out a systemized entire life. So he can just do whatever he wants whenever he wants. And so that's what we're talking about today is systemizing outsourcing and whole bunch of other stuff when we come back from the theme song. All right, so I'm back here. We're on top of the houseboat and I'm talking to John Jonas. Some of you guys know John, if not, he is the founder of onlinejobs.ph, which... Actually, do you want to tell them what it is and tell them about you? John Jonas: Yeah, thanks man. So when I was early on in my business, I just realized I needed help and finding help sucked. It was so hard. And everybody talked about outsourcing, outsourcing, outsourcing, and I tried India and it sucked. It did. Russell: The entire country. John: Well and then it's like, dude, I have nothing against the country. But outsourcing there was really hard and there's some really big cultural reasons why, and I won't get into it, whatever. And then you have Upwork, which was Elance and oDesk at the time, which is fine, except the whole system is based around 100% turnover. And as a small business owner, 100% turnover guaranteed in your business, that sucks, hiring a contract worker, that's so stinking hard. So one day I'm talking to John Brizzy, the owner of backcountry.com. And he says to me, "When you're ready to start outsourcing some of this stuff, make sure you go to the Philippines with it." And I was like, "Huh, really?" And he gave me some reasons why, and more than just like, "Oh, this is amazing," it gave me hope that maybe I'd find something different than what I had experienced before, because that was really the thing was there's so much loss of hope in outsourcing because it's just a babysitting job and people that you're outsourcing to suck and they can only do menial tasks. And so I hired this guy in the Philippines full-time, which he gave me a reference to hire someone full-time and I didn't know if I could do it. It took me two months to hire someone because I didn't know if I could keep someone busy full-time I didn't know if I could pay them I didn't know if they could do good work. It was the most liberating experience in my life. This dude's full-time job was doing anything I asked him to do. And yeah, dude, that was amazing. I taught him how to systematize this whole system that I had completely failed with on Upwork. It was Elance at the time, but I hired this guy to write articles and he wrote these articles and sent them back to me. And I was like, "Yes, I got these articles done," this was on Elance. And then I realized, "Oh, now the burden falls on me to do the rest of the work." And that's where most stuff breaks down is when it falls on you to do the rest of the work. So when I had this guy in the Philippines, I realized, "Oh no, he can write the article and then he just worked full-time for me. So I can teach him to do the posting and the headers and the resource boxes and the links and I can teach them how SEO works and he can do all the SEO." And this was like 2005. So since then, I've realized oh yeah, you can hire amazing people, programmers, designers, social media people, content writers, data entry people, lead generators, whatever it is, copywriters, you can hire a really good people. And in the Philippines, I was paying the company, this is 2005, I was paying them $750 a month they're paying him $250 a month for full-time work. So today that same person's probably going to be like $450 a month straight from you to them because of what online jobs is. Russell: Because you guys created a platform. Because prior to, so the first time I hired someone from the Philippines, there was a company I hired and they... I can't remember name of it. Agents of Value, yes. Agents of Value, yes. And I was so excited because it was like 700 bucks you get a full-time employee, which I was paying American wages prior to everyone and I was freaking out. And then yeah, like you said, you find that they're only making $250, $300. And so what John built is a really cool, I wouldn't call it a directory, it's more than that, but it's a place you go, you sign up for it, and then there's how many Filipinos are listed there right now? John: There's over a million Filipino profiles there. Yeah, so what I created was what I wanted for myself. So after a couple of years of hiring people through this agency, I went to them and they said, "Well do you want a programmer or a webmaster?" I was like, "I want a content writer." "Well do you want a programmer or a webmaster," was their response. And agencies, generally, this is how they are. They're going to three times mark up the salary and then they're going to give you the same person. They're going to go to online jobs today and try and find the person... They do, I know they do. So I created what I wanted, which was I just want to recruit some people on my own and I want to hire them and I want to pay them directly and there's no markup, so there's no salary markup. And there's no middleman telling me who I need to hire, giving me someone crappy who doesn't know anything, which is what Agents of Value did multiple times. And so now I can go and find someone, find the exact person I want. And it's crazy. I hired a programmer who was working for IBM and he's so dang good. Or I found a copywriter, actually, I hired a copywriter who wrote some ClickFunnels emails. And it's amazing what you can find on onlinejobs.ph. And the crazy thing about the Philippines, I had no idea at the time. This is why this guy's advice was so dang good. And he obviously knew, and I had no idea. So in the Philippines, there's a culture of honesty and loyalty and hard work and make people happy. So my guys in the Philippines have my credit cards, they have access to my email account, they have access to my servers. We've seen hundreds of thousands of people hire people in the Philippines and have seen very, very few people get ripped off. And almost every time when they do, it's because they tried to get the person to do some work and then not pay the person. And obviously, yeah, they're going to try and get paid. And then there's the loyalty thing. So the Philippines, their culture is loyal almost to a fault. So when you hire them, they'll never stop working for you as long as you gain their trust. So the first person I hired in 2005 still works for me today. Yeah, and he's amazing. He can do anything. When I hired him, he knew nothing. Today, he can do anything I want. So the culture makes such a difference of the Philippines versus elsewhere, especially for a small business owner. Russell: All right, so I want to tell a story and I'm not embarrassed, maybe a little bit. So you and I had a chance to go to Australia to speak at Mal Emery's event. Do you remember what year that was? John: 2012. Russell: Dang. So 2012. And for those of you who know me and know I wrote a book about the perfect webinar as my things I'm really good at closing people and selling from the stage and all that kind of stuff. So John and I fly down to Australia, we both speak on stage and you destroyed me. It was really embarrassing. I only sold a handful and John sold everybody in the room literally bought his... It was insane. But I'm telling you this because there was a story you told in there that I'm going to mess with the details, but I want you to share the story with people. Number one, they'll get to know you a little better. But number two, it's also I think a lot of you guys have probably heard me or other people talk about outsourcing and you're like, "Oh yeah," and maybe you hire someone here or there, but for you, there was something in your life that happened that made forced you to do it and then that ended up giving you the freedom that literally we've been here this week, everyone's stressing out. No one's got cell phone access and John's just having the best time ever. And you have six weeks in a row vacation time. What week are we on right now? John: Four. Week five. Russell: Week five of six and I'm like one weekend. I'm like, "Well, I'm good." So anyway, I want you to hear this story because it's powerful, but also I think I'm hoping you guys hear and realize that you don't have to wait for something tragic or scary like this to happen. But if you kind of try to force it in your mind, you can have something like this happen and give yourself freedom earlier. So with that said, here's John. John: So I've worked about 17 hours a week for the last 13, 14 years. And here's what happened. So my wife is seven months pregnant with our third child. This is 2007. We went to the doctor, he's run some tests and he says to my wife, "You have preeclampsia. And if you don't go on strict bed rest for the next three to five weeks, you're going to have a seizure and you're going to lose this baby." And to me, obviously, I was there with her and it was a shock. And on my way home from the doctor's office, I was just thinking, "I'm working full time and I have to two other kids and she has to be on strict bed rest. I'm not about to lose a baby over money." So I was thinking, "What am I going to do?" So when I get home, I sent an email to two of my guys in the Philippines. I had two guys in the Philippines at the time and I sent an email to them. And I just want you to know, as I tell you this, they had been with me for about 18 months. These were not guy. I pulled off the street. You're not going to hire someone new and this is going to work for you. It's going to take some time. But I told them, "Hey guys, here's my situation. I can't work. Here's why. I need you to take over everything I'm currently doing in my business." And so I... Everything, everything. For the next three weeks, I literally worked one hour. And that one hour... So after that day, when I got home, I sent them all the instructions I could, that one hour was just responding to their questions. And they took over my Google AdWords account and they took over my blog and they took over the marketing that I was doing. They took over the SEO that I was doing. They took over customer service. They took over everything I was currently doing. Three weeks later, my wife has the baby, this beautiful little girl Bailey, who just turned 14. And for the next two months, my wife struggled with postpartum depression. And so I just kept not working. It was a little bit more, it was one hour a week because she was allowed to get out of bed now. And so I spent three months not working basically. And it's expected to have a disaster with my business and came back to find my business had grown. And I'm not going to tell you it's because these guys were running the business. That's not the case. But the point here is that I had had the right help and my business didn't crash when I wasn't there. So from there, this is where you'll really recognize I hope what the possibilities of outsourcing are. So after these three months, I was like, "Well there's only so many times in a day you can take your kids to the golf course," and you get bored. Because that's what I was doing. I was taking my kids to the golf course twice a day. And so I started designing a business based around how far can I take this outsourcing thing? Because I had only had these guys doing menial tasks up to that point. And now I realized like, "Whoa, they're way better than I thought they were. And so can I build a business based around them doing all the work and me just being the CEO?" So I started designing this business. I'll tell you what it was. We were going to write reviews about products and post them on our website and then drive traffic to them and put affiliate links on all the reviews. So I record myself talking for 45 minutes explaining this whole thing. And I bought a domain and I sent the domain and my recording to this guy in Philippines. And again, he had been working for me for a while and he takes the domain, sets it up on my hosting account, sets up WordPress and changes the theme according as I've described and sends it back to me a couple days later and it was horrible. And I was like, "Oh crap." So I went back and described it better and better again. And we did this for about a week until we got it right. He got the website how I wanted it. It was amazing. So then he wrote the first review and it was terrible. And I was like, "Oh yeah, this outsourcing thing isn't as good as I thought it was." Russell: You're like, "No, I'll take it all to myself." For me, that's what I've been using. Like, "Well I'm done. I'm just going to myself." I give up usually at that point. John: That's not what I did. And because that's not my personality. I want to see if I can make this thing work really. So I worked with him through the review. I was like, "Okay, we've got to change this and this and this. And we've got to get more data from here. And we've got to do this." So we worked for a couple of weeks, got the review right. And I never wrote another review. So he had already done some SEO, but I start teaching him more SEO and he starts doing SEO and he starts doing some social marketing, even though social media wasn't really a thing. But we started doing Craigslist stuff. And we started doing RSS feeds and we started doing everything that I knew to do at the time, I did. Everything I knew to implement, I did. Which today all the things you know to implement would be build your funnel and start your Dream 100 and run Facebook ads to it and start doing some SEO maybe and get on a podcast or start a podcast. All these things that you know you should be doing I was doing, except I wasn't the one doing them. So that business in the first month made me about $200. Within three months, it was making three to $500 a month. Within six months, it was making a thousand dollars a month, within a year is making me 10 to $15,000 a month. And this dude in the Philippines, who, again, I told you they're super loyal and super honest, he built the whole thing. He joined the affiliate programs. He starts running Google AdWords on it. Because I taught him how to do it. He sends me a report every month. "Here's how much money we spent. Here's how much money we made. Here's what I think I can do to improve the business and make more money." And that was where I realized like, "Oh yeah, these aren't just dummies that can only do menial work. They can only follow exact instructions." No, he read between the lines so many times he figured out so much stuff. And I don't want you to think that he built this whole business for me and I didn't do anything. Because I did. I was the CEO. I knew what was going on. I knew what had to happen. But I never touched it. I don't touch WordPress. I don't write content now. Russell: So let me ask you, so I know that there's people listening right now who are thinking, "Well why doesn't the guy just make his own blog and then just do it himself? And then he'll make the 10 grand a month for himself and not have to just cut you out of it." And I've thought of that as well. I'm curious why specifically Filipinos, why that's not an issue for you. John: So yeah, because in India, that's the first question they ask. And that's our experience with outsourcing is, "Well what's your business model here?" I explained to him the business model. In the Philippines, they're not entrepreneurial. They don't want to steal your business. They don't want to steal your idea. They don't want to do it on their own. That's too risky for them. They are really job oriented and they want a job. They want a long-term stable job that they can take home and reliably take care of their family. And I've seen that so, so many times. I have people that have worked for me since 2005 and 2006 and 2008 and nine and 10. And they also work with me. Russell: Awesome, okay, my last question for you then is I think we had this conversation last year. So John's my Lake Powell buddy. And it's our third time renting house boat together, fourth time on the lake together. But anyway. Last year we had this conversation, I'm not sure if you remember it, but it was impactful to me because for me, those who know me, I'm a perfectionist, especially comes to my funnels and copy and design and everything's going to be reviewed by me because anyway, I'm super annoying that way. But our stuff does really well. And so I'm always thinking it has to be perfect to go live and get shipped out there and actually be a live thing. And last year was talking to you about it. And your philosophy is obviously different than mine. You were more, do you remember this conversation we had? And you were talking about how you're like 80% is it's fine. The extra 20% is... Do you remember this conversation at all? I'd love to get just your mindset on that because it's something I could use, but probably other people as well where it doesn't have to be 100% to make money. It's got to be close. John: So there are some things where it needs to be 100%. But most things, it's more important to get it done than to get it done perfectly. And so for me, my philosophy is ship, get it out there. So just before we left, we're driving down here and I checked my project management and saw that they had completed this big long piece of content that we had. And I said to them, "I'm not going to review this, but publish it because I'm sure it's good enough. You guys are good and publish it." And when I get back, maybe I'll review it. Maybe I won't, I don't know. Maybe the task will be gone and I'll never see it. But to me, just getting it out there and having people see it is more likely to tell you the problems with it than I am to tell the problems by reading it myself and to creating a bottleneck myself to let me give you 16 more things that I don't think are perfect. Even though you guys think it's perfect, there's three other people that have seen it, and I don't think so, but they do, which tells me maybe I'm wrong. I also don't have, and this is a personality thing, I don't have the design eye that you do and I don't care as much. I want people to see it and I want people read it and ship it, get alive. We ship software with bugs all the time because then it's live and then people will instantly tell you, "Oh, this is a problem." "Oh, okay. We'll fix it. Sweet." Russell: As opposed to figuring out all the problems, mistakes on your own. Oh man. Well I hope you guys enjoyed this episode, it's a little different, but I don't normally interview. I don't even know John, you're like the second person to ever be on my podcast besides me. But I think it's good for everyone to understand. So for those who are in some part of their business where they're trying to think of if they can use outsourcing more, join Online Jobs, and this is not a paid ad. I get nothing from this other than as long as online jobs keeps making money off of a boat buddy at Lake Powell, otherwise I've got to pay for this whole thing by myself. But there's no advertising, but let them know how Online Jobs works. Because it's different. It's not like Agents of Value. You're hiring and paying them and could you walk them through how it works and wants to get the count and how to set it all up and everything? John: Yeah, so Online Jobs is kind of like indeed.com, but for the Philippines. So you go on and you post a job and it's free to post a job. And then depending on your job, you'll get a few or hundreds of job applicants. And if you get hundreds of job applicants, that's a problem, you can't go through hundreds of applicants. That sucks. But you'll get a bunch of applicants. And then you can see the applications for free. You can do all that for free. You just can't contact anybody. You don't get anybody's contact information until you pay. And it's $69 for a month and then you get to contact as many people as you want, really. Or you can reply to everybody who sent you a job application, if you want. And then you just interview them, you're going to use their Disk profile. Russell talks about Disk profiles. And I think it's amazing. Almost everybody on there has a Disk profile and you're going to send them emails and ask them tons of questions. And here's a little bit of advice, don't do a Skype interview right off the bat. That's the first thing everyone wants to do is get on the phone with them. And that's the last thing you should be doing when you do interviews with people in the Philippines. They don't want to do it. So do that at last when you've narrowed it down to three. You can give a test task. You're completely on your own. Every application will come to your email inbox if you want. It's your Gmail inbox. They'll also be in your online jobs inbox, but then you interview them and you hire them and you pay them. And we don't take a cut of any of that. If you're interested in more, I have, very similar to Russell's one funnel away, I have the one VA away challenge. So I will walk you through the hiring process and I guarantee you'll find a great person if you go through my process at one VA way. It's my process of how I hire great people. I never think, "I don't know if I'm going to find someone good this time or not." I'm going to find someone good. I know I am because I've done it so many times. Russell: So onevaaway.com? John: onevaaway.com Russell: Awesome, all right. And I'm going to product this. So obviously I have click funnels that whole business and there's support and there's team and everything. But we started building some of these side businesses and some fun projects I was working on and all of them have customers coming in now and customer support and all these things. And I was like, "Aaaa!” and so I asked John, I'm like, "Hey, what would you do if you're me?" He's like, "Dude, you're an idiot. Of course go to Online Jobs." So we did, sent them to the count, we hired three new Filipinos, they're on a Slack channel with us and they have access to our help desk. Our help desk has all these little sub companies we're building and they're cross-training on all the different products and they're awesome. Every morning they check it on Skype, like, "Good morning, we're here." And then they check out at night like, "We're done," and they have questions asked in Slack, and then they're just cross-training all of our products. And so we'll just keep adding more products in there and they're supporting all of them and it's amazing. And we've got three right now. We'll probably have more as we start growing and stuff like that. And I'm getting really excited about bringing in more to do more tasks. Everybody can do funnels. You guys are training now on a lot of them are doing funnels, a lot of them are doing copywriting, a lot of them are doing a lot of other stuff too. So anyway, it's exciting. So go to onlinejobs.ph or onevaaway.com. And with that said, hope you guys enjoyed this episode. Get your mind thinking about outsourcing and the Philippines and a whole bunch of cool things like that. So in fact, one time you gave me... So I've done this four or five times. We build up huge scenes. At one time I had this guy named Mateo we hired from the Philippines and he built a team of like 30 writers for me, back when we were doing SEO really, really hard. We were cranking on it. Anyway, it's fun to do and fun to learn and to get to know some really, really cool people. So anyway, hope that helps you guys appreciate you all and we'll see you guys on the next episode. Bye.

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And that way, you'll be notified the next time I decide to go live, and you can jump on and get your questions answered. These questions this week were really fun. A lot of different directions. I think you guys will get a lot of value from it. So that said, we'll cue the theme song. When we get back, we'll jump directly into the questions and answers. Yhennifer: Awesome. So our first guest here is Tracy. Tracy is guiding you with tax reduction strategies! All right, Tracy. Thank you so much for being here. What question do you have for Russell? Tracy: Hi, Russell! This is Tracy Lo, and I am so inspired by your stories all the time. I've learned so much from both you from afar, and also Myron. So my question is: How do you keep all your parts moving? Do you have a strategy for keeping your mental state as well as your philanthropy and your business together? What is your strategy? Russell: Oh, that's a great question! I would say I've been lucky, because when I first started this business, it was me trying to figure things out. And I was more chaotic than I am now. Anyone on my team is laughing, because they know that it's still kind of chaos. I think from the outside, things look organized, and things like that. But it's really surrounding myself with a good team of people. People who have a similar mission, who are trying to do the same things that we're doing together. It's having a good team of people. And then a lot of it is just figuring out how to build the things into your routines that'll get you the success you're looking for. Right? So for me, I know that for the first... ah, man... seven to eight years of my entrepreneur journey, I wasn't into health. And so I gained a ton of weight. And I had a... You know? I was more lethargic. I didn't even know I was unhealthy until I decided to start getting in shape and getting back in. And all of a sudden, by getting back in shape, it increased my energy. I felt better. And I was like, "Oh, my gosh! I need to weave this, now, into my routine to make sure I don't lose it again." So it became part of my routine where these things are all tied into it. Right? And so now it's easy, because it's just part of what I do. Mentally: "Okay. How do I stay sharp?" Well, if I'm going to be successful, I get paid to think for a lot of people. So if I'm going to be successful, my mind has got to be sharp. So I got to go listen to podcasts, and read books. And putting myself in situations where I can keep sharp and keep figuring out, "What's working today? What are the things that are working the best?" And so I figure out what all those things are, and then I put them into my schedule. I say, "Okay. I need to build this into my routine where I have time to listen to podcasts, or read books, or go to things that are going to help stimulate my mind so I can stay high there." And then charities. Right? When we decided... It's funny, because I get hit. I'm sure all of you guys here, you're hit by a million people wanting to... "I want to start donating money, maybe, to charities!" And for me, it's like, "I don't want to be the person that just gives money and then forgets about it." I want to make sure the things that I'm passionate about, so... Like Village Impact, we're very passionate about that. So it was like, "Okay. How do we make this part of what we do?" And so it wasn't just like... Give them a check, and then a year later, figure it out. It was like, "Okay. If we're going to do this with them, let's be very strategic about that." So I said, "Okay. Let's..." Todd and I, when we started ClickFunnels, we said, "Okay. Let's set up where every time somebody creates a funnel inside of ClickFunnels and it gets at least 100 visitors..." So it's a live funnel. "We'll donate a dollar to Village Impact." And so we started that seven years ago. And the first year, I think our check we gave them was... I don't know, $15 grand. And then the next year, it was $30 grand. And then $60 grand. And then $100 grand. So it gets bigger and bigger, but it's now part of the mission. So I don't have to think about it, because it's built into what we're doing. And now every year at Funnel Hacking Live, I'm like, "Stu and Amy, come on stage!" And we have a big old check. You know? Now, it's six-figure checks. And they get bigger. And it's eventually going to be seven-figure checks. But it's built into what we're doing, and so I don't have to think about it again. You know? O.U.R. is the same thing. We did the big launch where we launched with the documentary, and it did well, but then it wasn't consistent. So we're building a whole platform now that'll be a consistency thing, where it's now that... This mission is always being worked on, because there's a platform, and there's someone in charge of it. There's a team member who... that becomes their sole focus. And now it's weaved into it. So it's figuring out the things that are important to you that help you achieve the goals you want, and then figuring out... How do you weave those things into your routine, or your business model, or your whatever, so that it just happens and you don't have to think about it? Because it's too hard. We have so many things we're all doing. If you have to have the mental power to think about it every time, then nothing ever happens. So that's kind of how I do it. And I hope that helps. And it's also surrounding yourself by amazing humans who help fulfill those missions as well. Tracy: Thanks so much, Russell. This is Tracy Lo, CPA, passing the mic. Thank you. Russell: Awesome! Thank you, Tracy. Appreciate it. Yhennifer: All right. Thank you for being here, Tracy. Now we're going to go on to Jermaine. Jermaine is in the real estate industry. Jermaine, what question do you have for Russell? Jermaine: Hey, Russell! Hey, everyone! I just had a quick question. I was wondering... Well, I got two questions. The first one: I didn't quite catch that book that you recommended? Russell: Was it Atlas Shrugged? Jermaine: What was that again? Russell: Atlas Shrugged. Jermaine: Yep. That's it. Russell: It's a really big book, so it takes commitment. It's insanely big. But as an entrepreneur and producer, you will love it. Especially in the real estate market. Jermaine: Okay. And I also wanted to know... while I have you... I wanted to know: Throughout all your time that you've changed the world and inspired people, what was your biggest business challenge that you had to overcome? And how did you overcome it? Russell: Oh, that's a great question! You know what's interesting, is that at every level, there's a new challenge. And so it changes. And every time when you're going through it, it seems like the biggest thing in the world. And when you look back, it's like, "Oh, that was actually really simple." But in the heat of the moment, it's hard. For the beginning part, it was just me believing that I was worth it. Right? I was the kid who struggled in school. I was never that smart. The only thing I was ever good at was wrestling. And I'm trying to start a business, and then I had a million doubts of, "I'm not worthy. I don't know how to do this. I'm not smart enough. I don't..." At the time, I didn't like to read! You know? First, it's that mental battle. I think for most entrepreneurs when they start their journey, it's the mental battle of just believing that you're worth it, that you can actually do it. And so for me, that one took a while. And then when I finally was like, "Oh, my gosh. I'm not..." I always thought I was a dumb kid growing up, because I struggled in school. So I remember having the realization after I started having success. I was like, "Oh, my gosh. I'm not dumb! I can learn things! If I'm interested in the book, I can actually read it and enjoy it!" So that was the first big hurdle for me. Right? The next one was... As I got to a point in my business that was like... It was just me, and I was juggling a million things. I was like, "Okay. How do I... I can't keep doing this. I'm going to drown eventually." So I was bringing on employees to the team. And man, I can't tell you how bad I was at that! I hired all my friends. All my friends, I just hired initially, because I was like, "Oh. They're cool. I'll hang out with them!" So I hired all my friends. It turns out my friends are morons... No, I'm just kidding! Well, kind of. Some of them were... But no, I love them all. But it was like I hired all my friends, and they didn't know what to do. And I didn't know how to teach them. So I was like... Dude, I was working while they were all goofing off in the other room. And they wanted help, but I couldn't teach them, because I was too busy trying to make money to pay them. And so it took me years to figure out, "How do you get a team and get the right people in place?" And that was the next big challenge. Right? Then it was like, "How do you actually create something that's not just an offer?" Right? That could be a long-standing business. We tried for years to figure that out. And eventually, ClickFunnels was the business that became more than just an offer for me where it was like, "Oh, my gosh. This is a platform, something that can grow bigger." And then inside of that, there has been so many challenges. How do you scale a company like that? You know? How do you scale the support? How do you go from five employees to 500 employees? There's just different challenges to every step. And so I think that there's been a lot of them. But the biggest thing I would say is that the key that I find at every tier, the thing... It took me a while to figure this out initially. And now, I've gotten better at realizing, "Oh, the pattern to solve these is always the same." It is... You can call it "funnel hacking," call it, "modeling," whatever it is... is I try to always connect to the people that are a tier above me or two tiers above me. Right? So right now, we're trying to... I literally am paying somebody who's gone here, done this. And we do a one-hour call every other week with him. He's built multiple companies, software companies, to the billion-dollar mark. And so he's been down the path. And so we get on a call. I'm like, "Okay. Here's where we're stuck. What am I going to do? What would you do?" And I'm asking questions and modeling, like, "Hey. Show me three businesses that have done what you're talking about." And he'll show me. We'll find it. And we look at it, and we reverse-engineer it. We come back and apply it. And so the key is just really figuring out... It's modeling. It's figuring out who's already done the thing you're doing. Find that person. Pay them money. Get to know them. Join their coaching. But whatever it is, get around the people who have already done the thing you're trying to do. Because for them, it's simple. Right? For us, as we're going through it, it's really, really difficult. But the person who's already done it, looking back, it's simple. For me, now, the mindset and belief of, "I can do this," is simple now. I get it. I can help somebody with that really, really easily. Whereas in the moment, it was impossible. It felt impossible. Right? Launching a software company felt like an impossible moment, and now it's super easy. So it's finding people who... The thing you're struggling with now is super easy, because they've already done it multiple times. Getting around them. Hiring them. Paying them. And learning how to think like them. Right? It's always a shift in thinking and belief. And so it's coming back and saying, "Okay. I've got to think like them. I've got to believe like them." I think a lot of times, many of us... and I see this a lot with people who hire me... they hire me, or they hire a coach, and then they try to get the coach to believe or think like they do. And I'm the opposite: I'm not coming to you to try to influence your beliefs. I'm coming to you to change my beliefs. And that's a hard thing to do. Right? Our ego gets in the way a lot of times. So it's coming and saying, "Okay. I'm a blank slate. I'm going to do whatever you say." In fact, it's funny, because inside our community, we have the... Kaelin Poulin started it with the whole hashtag, #dowhatrussellsays. And at first, I was really embarrassed by it. But now, it's so cool! Because it's like, "Yeah. If you're hiring me to be your coach, just do what I say!" If I hire a coach, I just do what they say. I literally just... In fact, I'm working on my fourth book right now. And I have a quote. One of my friends wrote this in a blog post. He was talking about his morning routine, and why he does this really weird thing. And he says in the thing, he said, "People ask me why I do this." He said, "Because Tony Robbins told me so, and I obey all giants who fly helicopters and have stage presence." And so for me, it's always been this joke: Now, when I hire a coach, whatever they say, I say, "I obey all giants who fly helicopters and have stage presence." Right? If I hire someone, I just believe them inherently, because I did the work ahead of time to see if I'm going to believe them. If I believe them, I give them my money. And I do whatever they say, and I don't deviate from that. Right? So people in my world say hashtag, "#dowhatrussellsays." For me, it's hashtag, "#dowhatstevencollinssays." That's the guy who I hired right now who is mentoring me. Whatever he says, I just do it. I don't fight. I don't question. He's been there a million times. And so I just do what all giant... You know? I obey all giants with helicopters and stage presence. I obey whoever I pay to teach me something, because they know what I don't know. And so for me, that's kind of the process: Find the hurdle. Find out who's already done it. Get that person. And then obey them, and just follow what they say to a T. So I hope that helps. Jermaine: That made perfect sense. So you basically trust yourself, and then you do what your coaches say? Russell: 100 percent. Yep! I do the work ahead of time. Before I hire the coach, I got to make sure I believe this coach is right. But if I believe they're right, then yes, I just do whatever they say. And so I see people, sometimes, blindly will sign up for coaching, or they'll hire a mentor, or whatever. And then they just kind of blindly follow the person. The person might not be right for them. But I do the homework ahead of time. And then when I know, "Okay. I'm committed. This is the person." Then I go all in, and I just put on blinders and follow them. Jermaine: Got you. I appreciate that. What was that book again? I'm going to have to write that down. Russell: Atlas Shrugged. So the way to remember it is Atlas is the god that's holding the weight of the world on his shoulders. And the premise of the book is: The producers, the entrepreneurs, people like us who are trying to... We're literally holding the weight of the world on our shoulders. Right? We're creating companies. We're creating jobs, and doing all these things. What would happen if Atlas just shrugged and walked away from his responsibilities? So the book is about that. What happens when the producers get so much pressure from government and society where it's no longer worth it to them, so they shrug, and they walk away from their responsibilities? And so that's the premise of the book, which is so fascinating. I'm actually listening to it again right now, which is fun. But it's a 1500-page book. It's intense. If you listen to the audiobook, it's eight audiobooks. That's how big it is. But man, it's worth it! Jermaine: I'm going to grab both of them right now. I've got all of your books. I've been following you for a while. My favorite one is the DotCom Secrets. Russell: Oh, very cool! Thanks, man! I appreciate that. Yhennifer: Awesome! Thank you. Jermaine: You're welcome. Yhennifer: ... Jermaine. Thank you for being here today. I'm going to reset the room really quickly. We are, right now, listening to the Marketing Secrets Live podcast. This room is actually being recorded. Make sure you follow the house at the top so that you can get a notification when Russell goes live again here. Now, we are going to give the mic to Jeff. Welcome, Jeff! He is a product launch expert, has made over $8 million from 22 launches in three years. What question do you have for Russell, Jeff? Russell: What's up, Jeff? Jeff: Hey, Russell! What's going on, buddy? Russell: Good to hear from you. Jeff: So hey, being in your inner circle for the last five years, I've had the awesome pleasure of watching all the big house marketing initiatives that you've incorporated into the funnels that you and the rest of the ClickFunnels community launched, and also at your annual Funnel Hacking Live event with Village Impact and O.U.R., as you mentioned. So what's been cool to see is the more funnels and events you launch, the more you're able to give back, which is awesome. So how are you thinking about incorporating that live launch strategy that you've been doing with, perhaps, more of an evergreen launch strategy now? With things like OFA, your quarterly Two Comma Club Live virtual event, and now the DotCom Secrets Summit that you just launched, with some of these... trying to also bring in these new live launches. I know you have Funnel Hacking Live coming up in a few months. Can you just talk about... Each month, what are you looking at in terms of evergreen versus live? Russell: Yeah. That's a good question. That's something we could talk about for a long time. You know? I think it's interesting. I watch somebody like Tony Robbins, who... He does UPW four times a year. He does Date with Destiny twice a year. And he does these things. And he's been doing it live for decades now. Three or four decades, he's been doing these events. If you go to them, they're very similar every single time. And for me, it's tough, because if I go back and I teach the same thing twice, I want to pull my hair out! You know? And I'm like, "I don't know how Tony has been so consistent for so long." And so for me, it's like there's this blend. Right? There's things that... The DotCom Secrets book came from me from a decade of me teaching these principles. I was doing events, and speaking at other people's events, and teaching these principles. And finally, I was like, "If I have to tell this story about the value ladder one more time, I'm going to kill myself." Right? So that's when I finally was like, "I'm going to write a book." So I wrote a book. And it was like, "Here it is. It's now evergreen. I can give it to people. And I don't want to talk about this thing again." Right? A similar thing happened with Expert Secrets. And you were in the inner circle, and I was... We spent three years geeking out on webinars, and conversions, and psychology, and all this kind of stuff. And I was like, "I don't ever want to talk about this again." So I turned it into a book. And I was like, "Hey, there's the blueprint!" And so I look at the online stuff through a very similar way. Right? We did the Two Comma Club Live event that first time, and then my energy was there. I was excited. It was fun. We created it. We launched it. It was amazing! But then, I was like... For me, it's like art. I didn't want to just be like, "Hey, it's done!" And walk away from it. But I didn't want to teach it again. So it's like, "Okay. How do I turn this experience into something that's now evergreen?" That we can keep the message going on. Right? So that when I'm dead and gone, my kids can keep running the ads, and keep running the event, and it'll keep producing. Because for me, all the stuff we do is art. And so I want to sustain it. So I'm always looking: Is there something I can do that I can create it, but then it'll last? It'll live beyond myself. Right? If you've read Ryan Holiday's book, The Perennial Seller... In fact, he spoke last year at Funnel Hacking Live about that book. I was like, "I want you to talk about Perennial Seller!" He was like, "I've written eight books since then!" I was like, "I know, but that's my favorite one! You've got to talk about that." But in Perennial Seller, he talks about the difference between art that lasts forever versus stuff that happens and is gone. Right? A good example is in movies. Right? Avatar, for a long time, was the greatest selling movie of all time. But if you ask someone to quote an Avatar line, there's not a person on this Earth who can remember anything from that movie. Right? It was a great seller, but then it died. Right? And so many people in our industry do a big sell, and then it dies. And it disappears. Versus you create a movie like Star Wars, where it lives beyond itself... It has legacy. It's a perennial seller. It'll continue to do well for a million years from now. Or you have TV shows. Right? You look at Seinfeld versus Friends: Friends was very much successful in the moment, but then it hasn't lived on as well as something like Seinfeld, which has lived on in perpetuity for so long. Much more of a perennial seller. And so I was always trying to create things that could be perennial sellers. And so when I do do something like that where I think it can last beyond itself, where things are strategic enough that they're not tactical, and they're going to change. Where they're strategic and we can do it, I want those things to live forever. So again, that's the Summits. That's the Two Comma Club Live, and things like that. But then we have our big hits. Right? Funnel Hacking Live, it's a big show. It's what's working now. You know? We put all this energy and this effort into it, but we know it's a one-time show. Right? And it happens. It's done. It's over. And then next year, we're going to plan a new one. And we can't evergreen Funnel Hacking Live. Right? It's a little bit different. And so it's just looking at those kind of things. You know? Sometimes, you're going to have an Avatar hit. And you should totally go and take the 100 billion dollars it makes and cash it, because that's awesome. But other things you create, you want the longevity. And so for me, that's how I'm looking at things. It's just like, "Okay. What things have longevity? What things do I want to be a perennial seller? What things do I think can last just beyond a product launch or beyond a thing?" And as soon as it's done, then it's like, "Okay. How do we morph that into something now that can last beyond the moment?" So that's kind of how I look at things in my head, how I figure things out. And then on top of that, it's just... You know? We're still kind of figuring it out. So some things, we're finding that we launch and we make the perennial version, they don't last long. They're still there. So people can find them, but they're not... The longevity is not there. We can't continue to buy ads to it. Whereas One Funnel Way, it's crazy! To this day, One Funnel Way has been running almost three years now. We fill up 1500 every two weeks to a 100 dollar, paid challenge. And it continues to convert. It continues to work. It continues to... That one is, of all the things we've done, the most perennial, and just continues to work. And I wouldn't have guessed that going into it until we tried to make the evergreen version. And it kept working. And it's like, "Oh, my gosh! This is amazing!" So yeah. I don't know if that answers the question. But kind of... That's how I think through things, and how I'm looking at stuff. Myron: Can I ask you a question about that, Russell? Russell: Yeah, Myron! I'd love to. Myron: What advertising methodologies are you using to put 1500 people in a challenge every two weeks? Because that sounds phenomenal! Russell: Yeah! A couple things: Number one is we pay 100 percent affiliate commission. So the only people who go through it refer people, and it's 100 bucks, and they get 100 percent of that 100 bucks. Number two is that I can spend 100... I can lose money. So I can spend 150, 200 dollars to sell a challenge. So I can spend a lot of money to do it, because again, 100 percent of the money goes directly back into advertising. We're not trying to make money on the challenge. As you know, all the money is in the back. And amateurs focus on the front end. So we liquidate it. 100 percent of our money goes into the ad spin. And number three, I think, is just... The message is right. For some reason, that message, it lives long. Right? The people, if it's their very first time... You look at the headline. It's like, "If you want to launch your first or your next funnel." So if it's their first one, it's like, "Oh, this is going to help me." Number two, it's like if you've launched a funnel but, "I need to go back and do this again," it gives you a chance to review it and go back through it. And I'd say the last thing is we weave that theme into all of our offers now. If you look at everything, every offer leads back to OFA. You buy all my books? OFA is in that sales flow. You do one of our challenges, it leads back to OFA. So it's weaved into everything now. So it's plugged into the back end of everything we're doing. And so no matter what somebody buys, all roads lead to the One Funnel Way challenge eventually, which is pretty cool. Myron: Wow! Russell: Yeah. And we're working on, now- Myron: Great stuff. Russell: We're working on a One Funnel Away e-commerce version of the OFA challenge next, which I'm really excited for as well. So anyway- Dan: And you do that live every two weeks? Russell: So I don't. I recorded it live once. And we have a team, now, though. So we have a team of... One person runs it, and three or four coaches. And so every week, they reset a new Facebook group. And then they're in there full-time answering questions. And then they stream. The trades that were live at one time, they stream them into the Facebook group. And all the interaction happens there. So it feels very alive. People know it's not alive, but it feels very live. It's executed live. It's not like logging the members in and watch... Day-one videos. We try to replicate the experience as close as possible. And again, it's not just like, "Go watch this video and hope for the best." Literally, they watch the video, and then there's coaches in there who are answering questions, who are getting them to do the homework, who are... Full-time, their job is in there, now. Because it's been so profitable for us, man, we left... I always tell people: One of the biggest problems that us entrepreneurs have is we create something and then we move on to the next thing. And OFA was the first thing that our group created it, and were like, "There's something magic here." And we left somebody behind. So Shane on our team, we left him behind and said, "Your job is to continue to make this better and to run it." And then he hired three or four coaches, and now there's a team of people who, full-time, all they do is make sure OFA is happening, and it's consistent, and it works. And because we left somebody behind, that's why the fulfillment continues to improve week after week, although I'm not creating new content week after week. Dan: And it converts similar with the streaming replay as it did with you doing it live? Russell: Yeah. Yeah. Dan: That's- Russell: It was easier to sell people in initially: "Yeah, go sign up for it! Go to onefunnelway.com and watch the process!" But yes- Dan: That's what I'm going to do right now. Russell: 100 percent. 100 percent. And like I said, three years, we've been running that thing. We launched initially, and then we did it live again four or five months ago just to kind of refresh the whole thing. But other than that, it's the same thing. And it runs on autopilot. Dan: And the affiliate aspect is really important, because everybody that comes in, you then say, "Hey. Do you want to make money? Did you love this challenge? Bring somebody in." And they get a commission. Can I just ask one question about that? Russell: Yeah. Let me give one clarity, and then ask the question. So the clarity is- Dan: Yeah. Russell: also right when they first come in. It's like, "You paid 100 bucks for this. Do you want this to be free? Invite a friend." It's right when they sign up. It's like, "Bring by a friend," and now it's free for them, because they just get one person to sign up, and now it's free. Dan: Okay. That... Okay. So that's my question, is: You guys have really, truly went just deep in the affiliate game. And I almost feel like, sometimes, going all-in on the affiliate game is like... I'd rather pay my customers and my clients than pay Zuckerberg. Do you know what I mean? Honestly! And so my question to you, on that, is: How do you train somebody who is a normal customer, who is not an affiliate or a traditional super affiliate, to actually refer people to you? Obviously, you have to tell them, "Hey, here's how you refer people." What's your best tip for that? Russell: Yeah. The best tip is you have to think about it differently. A lot of people are thinking about, "I'm going to make him an affiliate, and teach him about affiliate marketing!" And the average customer, they're not going to be an affiliate. Right? You look at... The people in e-com space do this really well, a lot of times, and other places, where it's... The position is not how to make a bunch of money as an affiliate. The position is, "How do you get this product for free?" Right? It's like, "Hey. You get three people to sign up for this, or..." You know? Whatever. For me, it's like, "You get one person to sign up, and now it's free." That's how you position it. And they're like, "Oh, my gosh! I can tell my brother!" And then, "I'm doing this challenge, too! I'm going to invite my friend, and I actually get paid for it?" And so you get them passing it around. They're not looking at it as a business opportunity as much as, "How do you get the thing you just bought for free? How do you get your money back very, very, quickly?" That's the shift. Right? Because they're not going to go sign up 100 people, but they are going to get one or two. Right? And if every person brings in one or two, it becomes this self-fulfilling machine that just keeps growing, and things like that. And so it's just looking at it differently, and just showing... That's the positioning. Right? It's not how to be affiliates. It's, "Get this thing for free by telling three people to-" Dan: So you're not giving them any sort of extensive training? You're just pretty much hoping that one customer will refer, maybe, a couple... few... people. But it's a consistent thing, rather than, "Hey. Here's this training on how to refer more people." And you... But- Russell: Yeah. Because they're not going to buy ads. They're not going to... They don't have an email list. But they're going through this. They believe in it now, and they don't want to feel dumb. And it's like, "If I can get my friends in this and do it together, now it's a fun thing. And we can study together." And that's the- Dan: Oh, the accountability! Oh, my gosh! That's so good! Okay. All right. That was awesome. That was gold. Russell: Awesome. Yhennifer: Light bulbs are going off here! I love it! I hope everyone is taking notes. I want to add one more thing to the OFA stuff, Russell, if it's okay with you? Russell: Yeah. Yhennifer: Because I see what goes on in the Facebook community, and I just wanted to add that people sometimes buy the OFA more than once just because they want the accountability of the coaches. They come back. They see that it has so much value that they're like, "100 dollars? I'm in!" So we also see that as well. Russell: Yeah. The OFA lifers, it's almost a continuity program. They re-sign up every single month, because they don't want to lose the connection with the team! Yhennifer: Yes! Yes. It's amazing. So if you have not done the One Funnel Way, go to onefunnelway.com. It's an awesome, awesome offer. Yhennifer: Okay. We have one more guest here, Michael Hoffman. He's a digital marketer and an owner of a digital media agency. So Michael, what question do you have for Russell? Michael: Hi, everyone! Thanks so much for having me up here. Russell, thanks so much for providing all the value. You mentioned something before, that there was this hashtag, "#dowhatrussellsays." And earlier this year, I read Traffic Secrets, started my podcast. The other day, I finished your new Expert Secrets. I'm going to work on my weekly webinar now. So doing what Russell says actually works! So my question is a little different, and more mindset-related. You have an extensive past in... almost professional sports. You were a wrestler for many, many years. And you made that transition into entrepreneurship. And I have a past as a professional basketball player, and also transitioned into... first, to a full-time job, and then entrepreneurship. And for me, it was a very difficult time to shift my identity. And I just wanted to get your... yeah, basically... experiences on how you experienced that phase, to transition from full-time sports to entrepreneurship, and what helped you to complete this identity shift? Russell: Oh, very cool! It's interesting. I think... Not always, but I feel like athletes often do really good in entrepreneurship. And I think the reason why... I've thought about this a lot... It's because for me, with wrestling... I'm sure it's the same for you with basketball... Every day, for me, I'd step out on the mat. And there was the guy I'm going against. And we'd wrestle. And a lot of times, I lost. A lot of times, I won. But I got used to failure, and it didn't destroy my identity when I failed. Right? I feel like a lot of people get into entrepreneurship, and they're so scared that if they try something and it fails, that it means that they're a failure. Versus in wrestling, I'd fail, and I'm like, "Cool! Now I know how to beat this guy!" Watch the film, figure it out next time I go back, and I try to beat him again. Right? And it's a different mindset where failure meant I could learn something, versus failure meant I was a failure. And I see that so many times in entrepreneurs, where they'll sit in club house rooms, or podcasts, or read books for years, and years, and years, and never do anything, because they're so scared of that failure. Whereas athletes have experienced it. You know? I lost tons of matches! You know? So I'm used to that failure, and I'm okay with it, and I don't label myself as a "failure." So I think that's why athletes do well, just because they have had that experience. But on the other question, that identity shift: So it was interesting. So my wrestling career, that was my life, as you know. It was probably similar to you. I was a wrestler. If you asked me, "Russell, what are you?" I'd go, "I'm a wrestler." And so I was. And I wrestled all the way through college. And I remember at the end of college is when I started learning some of the internet business and figured things out. And my senior year, I ended up losing the Pac-10 Tournament. I thought I was going to go to Nationals and place. And I had... My entire life, I was focused on this goal. And I ended up losing the Pac-10s and not qualifying for the National Tournament my senior year, which was horrible for me. Right? My entire everything just stopped. I remember sitting there on the side of the mat crying, and just... "It's done. I can't even achieve my goal if I wanted to. It's gone! There's no..." It was weird not being able to achieve a goal. And I remember, luckily for me, I had this entrepreneurship thing happening at the time that I was learning about. Because if I didn't have something, I think I would have gone into this downward spiral of depression just knowing that the thing I'd been dreaming about for 20 years, I know longer... It's physically impossible for me to do, now. It's out of... It's impossible. And so for me, luckily, I had this business. And I started focusing my time and energy there. And it gave me something to do, to focus on a new goal. And that was the big goal, the big thing. And so, because I was able to transition pretty easily... Because I had just... I was trying to avoid the pain of my old identity dying, and so I had to shift over here. And so I think, for people who are making that transition, it's... I mean, you used the word "identity shift," which was the right word. Right? It's like you have to shift that identity. And I don't know how to... I mean, in fact, we have Anthony Trucks, who is going to be speaking at Funnel Hacking Live specifically on identity shifting yourself, which I'm excited for. He's geeked out on this at a level that I don't think anyone else really has, and so it's going to be fun to have him go into it on the process. Because I don't know exactly what the process was, other than that I knew that I shifted. And then I started looking at it like a sport. I said, "Okay. What's the goal? What am I going to win?" You know? "Who are my teammates? Who do I got to get to know? Who are the competitors? Who do I have to beat?" And I just used the same mindset. And I think that a lot of people come into business, and they look at it different than a sport, which is interesting when you look at it. It's like, "Oh, I'm here to..." You know? I don't know. I did a podcast three or four years ago. I still remember where I was at when I recorded it, because when we came out with ClickFunnels, for me, it was... It's a combat sport. I'm looking: "Okay, who are the competitors? Who are the people out there?" And at first, it was like, "Leepages! That's who I have to beat!" Because in wrestling, that's what I did: "All right. Who is the guy that I got to beat?" I looked at him. We studied film. We figured it out, and we got to the point where I could beat that person. And we found the next person in the next tier up. We found the person, identified the target, reverse-engineered their style, and learned how to beat them. And so for me, it was the same thing. Leepages was the first person on our hit list. Right? So we came out. And those who were around when we launched ClickFunnels, it was very aggressive. It was not... You know? I was like, "This is our competitors. We're going after them." And we went after them. Then we got to the point where we beat Leepages, and we passed them. After we passed them, it was like, "Hey, who is the next competitor?" For us, it was Infusionsoft. And I was like, "There's no way we can beat Infusionsoft. They're huge!" But I'm like, "That's the goal!" And so we figured out who they were. We reverse-engineered it. You know? Went after them, and ended up far surpassing them. And it was interesting, because I remember the CEO and me... He's a really nice guy. But he messaged me one time, and he asked me... He was like, "Why do you hate Infusionsoft so much?" And I'm like, "I don't hate you! I'm grateful for you! You're the person..." I needed somebody to get me motivated. Otherwise, as a competitor, if I'm just... I'm not here just to make money. That was what inspired. It inspired me. It was the victory, trying to figure out the next person who we're going after. Right? And I told... It's kind of like that scene in Batman, The Dark Knight, where Joker asks Batman, "Why do you hate me?" And he's like, "I don't hate you! You fulfill me! I need you! Without you, there's no me!" Right? And so for me, that was the transition. It was like... I didn't take the competitiveness out of me. I kept it. Everything I did that drove me in wrestling, I kept that. But I focused it over here in business. And so the identity shift wasn't huge. It was just a different game. Right? Same athlete. Same competitive nature. Same everything. But the game was different, and so I had to figure out the game, figure out the rules, figure out the players, figure out the competition, and then make it fun for me. And so for me, that's kind of, I think, how I was able to make that transition. Yeah. I don't know if that answers the question. But that's kind of the mindset behind, for me, how I was going to make that transition. And at Funnel Hacking Live, Anthony Trucks will show us the actual process to shift identity, which I'm so excited for! Michael: Awesome! Thank you so much! That was really helpful, just listening to your experience and hearing it from someone else. And I like the competitive aspect, and the perseverance that we have as athletes to transition that into entrepreneurship. Russell: Yeah. Well, very cool, man. Thanks for jumping on the show. I appreciate it! Yhennifer: Awesome! Thank you, Michael, for being here. And Russell, I think that wraps up our Marketing Secrets podcast today! Russell: How fun! Well, thanks, you guys, all for jumping on and hanging out. We're going to continue to do these. I'm having fun with it so far. So hopefully, you guys are as well. For those who are listening to the recording: If you want to make sure you get on the next live one and maybe get your question answered live, go to clubhousewithrussell.com. That'll redirect you to our clubhouse page. Go follow the room, and we'll do this again soon. Thank you for all of our guest speakers who jumped on: Keenya, Dan, and Myron. I appreciate you guys jumping on and sharing your thoughts, as well. Hopefully, some of the conversations we had were stimulating and helped you think about yourself, think about your charity, think about your funnels, all this stuff. Hopefully, you guys enjoyed it. If you did, let us know! And if you want to hear the recording of this, make sure you subscribe to the Marketing Secrets podcast on any of the platforms. We're there. Probably in the next week or so, it'll go up live there, and you can go and re-listen to all the stuff we talked about. So thank you Yhennifer for all the time and effort you put into it, and everybody else here on the clubhouse team. I'm grateful for everybody. And with that said, I guess we'll see you guys all on the next episode!

On this episode of Marketing Secrets Live, Russell explains how he feels about charity and how to reconcile it with your own thoughts and beliefs. Don't miss the next Marketing Secrets Live episode! Register at ClubHouseWithRussell.com Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- Russell Brunson: Good morning. Good morning. This is Russell Brunson and welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. Today, we're going to be sharing you guys another clip from the Marketing Secrets live show, if you're not in live show yet, make sure to go to clubhouscewithrussell.com and register, that way you can be at live ones next time. But this episode, I talked about something that I struggle with back and forth in my head. I don't know if you guys do as well, but if you do, this will hopefully be conversation, we'll make it fun for you. I'm talking about charity, obviously we know that when we do charity, we shouldn't be flaunting it, but at the same time when we do talk about charity, it inspires other people to do it and so, what's the balance of it? What's right? What's wrong? What should we do? What should we not be doing? I'm open to this conversation. I don't know the answers, I'm just going to share some of my thoughts. At the end of this episode, Myron Golden jumped on and dropped some of his thoughts, which were pure gold and so anyway, with that said, hope you guys enjoyed this episode, we'll keep theme song and we'll be right back. Okay. With that said, I'm going to jump into the thing that has been on my mind a lot lately and this is something that I don't know the answer to. So, I'm just going to kind of go down a path that, and who knows where it ends up, but hopefully get you guys thinking. So, what I want to talk about is, is charity and using charity in our business and our marketing and how these things all fit together. Because I have an internal dilemma with some of it sometimes, on a couple of different sides, so I'll sit back. I remember, and I would try to find the story last night, I looked through five or six books and I couldn't find it unfortunately, but the gist of the story was there was this man, right? And he was super charitable and he had a lot of money and did all these things and he donated money to this thing and so they named a building after him. He donated money to this thing and so they named a thing after him and all these different things, right? And he had been super charitable his whole life and he ends up dying, going up to heaven and he's sitting there with God and God's like, yeah, well, you did these things, but like, you got your name on a building, you didn't do anything truly charitable. You're doing these things because you were trying to get something in return, right? And I remember reading that back, man, this is almost 20 years ago I read that and I wish I could have found the actual story, but having that feeling of like, okay, If I'm going to do charity or give or whatever, I got to be very careful about that, right? And then, last night when I was doing my research trying to find the things I want to talk about, I actually found a really cool scripture that's been in my head a lot. And I want to share this because this is going to give you some context to what I want to just put out there in the world for you guys. And it's Matthew chapter 6, it's the first couple of verses here and this is Jesus giving his Sermon on the Mount and, if you haven't read the Sermon on the Mount, come on now, probably the greatest presentation of all time, right? And this is what he said, he said take heed that you do not your alms before men to be seen of others, otherwise you have no reward of your father which is in heaven. Therefore, when thou do sign alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in synagogues and in the streets, so they may have glory of men, verily I sent you, they have their reward. But when that does arms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth. And so, man, I hear that and I was like, oh, this is scary because I think about the things that we do inside of our business that are charitable, right? We village impact, we donated tons of money there. We built schools, we gone to Kenya, we've done those things, but then I come back and I share it, like tell everybody about it, right? We're operation to go on railroad and we've raised millions of dollars, we've helped save children and it's like... And I have this dilemma. I'm curious if you guys have had that dilemma in your head as well. Okay. I want to do good, but if we talk about it, then the core right here, verily, I say to you then you have your reward. If I talk about it and people are like, oh, good job, you're doing these charitable things like... Your reward is the praise of man, right? And so, you have it there. But, at the same time, if we don't talk about the things we're doing, then might nobody else does it. The fact that we did the, with Operation Underground Railroad, the documentary. We shared it in Funnel Hacking Live, we raised a million dollars year one, we did it again year number two. We talk about these things, we showed the good that's happening. What happens is, it inspires other people. I watched it, because we did the OUR documentary, raised a million dollars in Funnel Hacking Live, Orlando. After that, there are probably a dozen or so people in the ClickFunnels community who went and went with Tim Ballard, took in his events or took them to their events, they showed the documentary and then they raised hundreds of thousands of dollars at their events and then, from there, it kind of spiraled down and all of a sudden the message got bigger and more people shared it. And so, for me, I had this internal conflict, right? Where it's just like, man, I want the blessings of charity, but also, if I'm going out there and being charity because it's going to increase my conversion rates or get people to like me more, whatever. Then I keep having this thing going through my head where Christ literally says, verily I send to you, they have their reward. Russell, you have your reward. And so, I have this conundrum and so I wanted to bring up to you guys, just for you to think it through it as well, right? And I'm going to tell you kind of how in my mind, I've come to settle it and I feel comfortable about it and just wanted to put this out there, because I think a lot of you guys either do charity or you want to charity and you have the same apprehension. What do we do? What do we not do, right? And I remember actually, man, when was it? Two or three months ago, I had a chance to go out to Tony Robbins. We did a little mastermind group for all the people that are top 10 in the product launch they did. And so, we had a chance to go, we were in this little, on his stage in a little room with everyone who was a top affiliate and we each had a chance to ask Tony a question. And I'm not going to tell you what my question was yet, we're doing a whole vlog about it. In fact, in Funnel Hacking Live, we'll show you part of that blog because what he shared with me and what we talked about was insane and you guys are going to love it, but I can't ruin the surprise yet. So, I can't tell you that. But one thing he said during that, during this interaction, I can't remember whose question it was or something, but he said he struggled with the same thing as well. He's like, I didn't want to publicly talk about the charity things I was doing, but he's like, but when I did, I found out other people got involved and other people got inspired and then it grew and did more things outside of just me, right? So, that was one thing that Tony talked about and you look at Tony, he talks about charities, right? Tony is the number one donor for OUR as well as a dozen other charities, right? He feeds a billion people a year and all these things. And he talks about those things and I think I've struggled in the past too, of like, oh, he's talking about the things, he shouldn't be doing that because that's his reward, is people thinking he's cool, right? And I have this conundrum. The other thing is interesting. I thought about this a lot when I read Atlas Shrugged and some of you guys heard me and Josh did a four or five hour long podcast episode about Atlas Shrugged. If you haven't read that book, man, as a producer, as an entrepreneur, you should read it, it'll be inspiring for you. But, it was talking about in that book, I can't remember where or what, maybe it was the thought I had, but talking about, even like, when I go Downtown Boise and I see people that are homeless, they're sitting there, right? And we give them money or we buy them food or something. I'm still getting a reward out of that, right? I give somebody money and I feel good about myself, I'm like, oh my gosh, I got value from that person, right? Even someone who's begging, when you transact, you give them money, you give them food, you give them a home, you give them something, the feeling you get, you're still getting value out of that, right? So, it's like no matter what you do, I feel like I'm getting a reward ahead of time. And so, there's the conundrum in my head. So, I kind of set the stage for that and I want to step back and just kind of tell you guys how in my mind I justify things, how I think about things and hopefully it'll help any of you guys who are struggling with this or thought about this or now maybe you're going to start thinking about this, okay. So, for me, in my mind there's different ways that we can all serve, right? In different ways that I serve. There are things like, the two big charities that we support inside of ClickFunnels are Village Impact and it's Operation Underground Railroad. In fact, some of you guys, if you've been to Funnel Hacking Live, you heard me talk about this before, but we have a non-profit called Liberate and Educate. And the reason why is, because if you look at what we do as a company, ClickFunnels our mission, right? Is literally to liberate and educate entrepreneurs, we liberate them by giving them software and tools and making them free, right? And then we educate them, so they have the education they need to be able to do it, right? Dan, for example, insanely talented person and he was struggling, came back, read .com secrets, he got the education, right? He used ClickFunnels, he liberated into programming, we liberated and educated, and boom, he's talked about 25 million in four years later, right? We liberate and educate entrepreneurs, and so that's been kind of our mission from day number one. But then we came back and the first few Funnel Hacking Lives, our focus was focusing on Village Impact, which is a charity that Stewart McLaren and his wife started. And I've had a chance to go to Kenya three or four times, we built schools out there and that was always like a thing that we did. And then, Funnel Hacking Live, Orlando's when we introduced Operation Underground Railroad. I remember after FHL, Orlando, which was, I'm bad at years, I think it was 2018 or something. We were in Kenya and I was sitting there hanging out with the kids, we were doing the service stuff and I was sitting there and I was like, man, these are two amazing charities, how do we tie these things into the ClickFunnels mission better? And literally, as I'm sitting there, the phrase that entered my head was liberate and educate. And at first, I was like, yeah, that's what we do for entrepreneurs and then I was like, oh my gosh, that's how these two things tie into our charity for ClickFunnels. We liberate children from sex, slavery through Operation Underground Railroad and then we educate children through Village Impact. I was like, liberate and educate, I'm like, oh my gosh, our social mission is the same as our public mission. And so, I became thinking again, we create a non-profit and this is our thing, right? But for me, I look at this Liberal and Educate, this mission, right? We're trying to do these things and I try to make it as public as possible, knowing full well that I don't believe that I'm going to get rewards in heaven or whatever. My reward from Liberal and Educate is that it brings our community together, right? People see the fact that we're giving and we're sharing, and it gets other people to give and share and we're very public, we're very vocal and very big about that, right? And in my head, I fully believe that, again, verily I say unto you, they have their reward, I have my reward. My reward coming from that is, I get to see the children, I get to see the impact, I get to see our community get involved, I get to see these things and that's my reward, right? And maybe someday it will be rewarding having sweet bonus points, but I'm not expecting anything from that at all, right? Because it's very public. And so, for me, it's like, I'm able to look at the scripture and say, okay, I'm literally doing my alms before men and I'm being seen of others, I'm doing it because I want to inspire them and I want to have that impact and so, I'm looking at that as like, these are my charitable missions, my reward is the benefit that the other people getting involved and I get that feeling and that's my reward, right? But, because also I don't want to get to heaven someday and the Lord being like, hey, this is the deal, your name's on a building here, you got this thing over here. Yeah, you did get stuff, but you did it with an ulterior motive. I understand, I have ulterior motives in my charitable, that everybody can see, right? And so, for me, I'm like, I have to have charity in a way that people can't see, otherwise, I don't know, for those who are Christian or believe in God or you whatever, this is probably something that weighs on your mind, at least it does for me. And so, and if not, that's totally cool, you should still worry about it too because it's important whether you believe in it or not, but I'll leave that for another discussion for another day. But, what I wanted to just kind of think about is like, there's things that we have to do privately as well. And so, I'm not going to talk about those things, but I do things privately that I don't talk about, I don't share, nobody ever sees, because those are the things that I'm trying to do to be actual charitable. I almost look at these other things aren't really charity because I'm getting so much value out of them personally, that it's not really a charitable contribution, right? I'm doing it because it feels good, because I'm inspiring others, because I'm saving children, because these things are happening and that's my reward and I'm cool with that. There's other things that we do that are private that no one hears me talk about, I'm not ever going to share, I'm not even going to give you a list of what those things could be because I don't want... I want to make sure no one knows, but I want, for all you guys listening to at least as you're thinking about this in your business and in your life, I feel like it's okay to share things as long as you understand that's the purpose, that's the value you're getting in return, is the fact you're able to share and you're able to do those things. And I would recommend having stuff private that you don't talk about, that you don't share, that you keep to yourself because Jesus told us on the sermon on the Mount, that that's what we should do and so, I believe that's very important as well. And so, anyway, that was the podcast I wanted to share publicly today because it's been on my mind, I've wanted to do a podcast about this for man, probably five or six months, I keep thinking about it and then yesterday they asked me if I wanted a topic ideas for this podcast episode, I'm like, you know what, I'm going to just dive into it because it'll force me to actually not to be nervous to talk about it. But I think it's valuable, I think it's important, especially for anyone who's like me, who's thinking about these things and trying to figure out like, man, how do I consolidate these things? How do I tie these things together? Because I want to give, I want to be shared and I want to inspire other people to do it as well, but I also don't want to be in heaven some day and he's like, hey, you had your reward, you're good to go. I want to be able to have both sides of the coin and so, that's kind of how, I don't know if rationalization's the right word of how... In my mind, it makes sense to me and why I'm going to be as loud as possible about our social mission, about Liberating and Educating, because I'm getting my reward, it's okay and I want those things to go on and inspire, I want to get you guys to be doing those things as well. And one thing Tony told me, in fact, if you watched the Funnel Hacking Live sales video for, it's the after movie, so the Orlando... I was the Orlando Funnel Hacking Live that Tony told us to meet, but then we showed it, it was the sales video for the first Nashville event. So, if you go to funnelhackinglive.com and scroll down, all the sales videos, we call them the after movies, are down there, just lower down the page because they're still going to want to... I want everyone to be see, if go down and scroll the one, we see the footage from Orlando, but the end of the video, sales video ends and then it comes back and there's this little moment that Tony and I had behind stage, it was really, really cool. And Dan happened to capture it, so the end of the sales video. And what Tony said, he's like, not only am I proud of you for giving, because that's cool, but he's like, you're inspiring these entire group of people to become givers as well and he's like, that's what it's really all about. And so for me, the Liberate and Educate is all about inspiring you guys to be givers and to try to share your means, right? Making money is awesome, sweet, we can buy houses and boats and cars and all these kinds of things, and I'll send them, those things don't matter as much as what are we doing with that? What kind of... How are we trying to change the world with it? I'm a big believer in that, some people may not be, but I think it's essential and so. Anyway, that's my goal with Liberate and Educate, inspire you guys to be givers and then this podcast episode is to help you understand, it's okay to talk about those things, but man, I would recommend doing things privately as well because, yeah, because that day, when we come to... When our life's over and we have that chance, I want to make sure that he doesn't say, you had to reward, I want him to say, man, I wasn't expecting that and that would be special for me. So, that's the podcast episode for today. Myron Golden: Hey, Russel? Russell: Hey, Myron. Myron: Do you mind if I chime in on that just a smidge? Russell: I would love for you to. Myron: Because I think I can add a little bit of value to what you just said, I think everything you said was phenomenal. But in the context and according to the meaning of the words, I think the word that you were looking for was, how do I reconcile these things? Russell: Yes. Reconcile. Perfect. Myron: Yeah. And so, the way you reconcile them is, you have to note when you're studying Bible verses, you have to do keyword studies. And I know this isn't a Bible study, but when you understand that the key word in that verse that you mentioned is that, that's the key word, that. Make sure that when you give your alms, you don't do it that you may be seen of men. In other words, the motive that you have should not be, there's nothing wrong with people seeing you give, there's nothing wrong with you telling people that you're giving, if you're telling them to give, that you gave and to inspire them to give, as long as your motivation for the giving is not that people see you and think you're awesome. That's the actual interpretation of what it means when Jesus said, don't give your alms that you may be seen of men. So, I think what you've done with OUR is phenomenal, I think thousands of people have been contributing to OUR because of your example and because you put it out there, but your motivation wasn't that people would think you're cool, right? So, I think that's the key to understanding and reconciling, how do I give and inspire people to give without making me a big deal, so that's all I wanted to share. Russell: Oh, it was amazing. Myron, you're the best. Thank you for sharing that and yeah, that was amazing.

What to know why I'm freaking out? Listen to this episode to find out. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ClubHouseWithRussell.com ---Transcript--- What's up, everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets Podcast. Today, I'm on my Onewheel, driving to the office. Hopefully, the wind's not too loud. I'll try to talk loud, but forgive me if there's any sound noise. But it takes longer to drive on the Onewheel, so maybe we'll get a longer episode today. I got some cool things I'm excited by, things I want to share with you guys. Yep, there's a car driving by. If you have been long-time listeners, you know that when I first launched this podcast, it was called The Marketing in Your Car podcast. We call today The Marketing on Your Onewheel. With that says, let's keep things going. We'll be right back. All right, everybody. Well, hopefully, you can hear me. The wind hits every once in a while. I'm doing my best. Anyway, so today's episode, what I want to talk about is something fun that I'm geeking out on right now. There's a principle. There's a concept that we've taught over the last, man, 10 ... longer than that, long, long time called the bridge funnel. And a bridge funnel is, basically, when you're trying to bridge the gap between what somebody wants and what somebody needs. Right? For example, everybody in my world needs click funnels. Right? Sometimes it's hard to sell click funnels because it's like, "Well, why do I need software? What's a funnel? I don't even know." Right? So I had to find what's something they want that I can give them right away? And then, by doing that, I can then bridge them over to what they actually need. Whoa. Some guy just drove by in an original Hummer. Sorry. That was really cool. All right. So that's what a bridge is. Right? I'm trying to draw a bridge between these two different things. And I used to share the example to explain this back in the day, back when we were doing more business opportunities stuff. I talked about if you would go to ... let's say you went to the food court at the mall. Right? And at the food court, there's all these people are eating. This is pre-COVID, so there's tons of people eating and tons of noise. And if I sit up on a chair in the food court and I yelled and said, "Hey, everybody! Look over here." And they look at me and I'm like, "Hey, who here wants a funnel to grow your business?" Of everybody in the food court, what percentage of people would raise their hand? And the reality is probably very, very few. Right? Probably nobody. But if I was to stand up on the thing and say, "Hey, who here wants to learn how to make money on the internet." Right? Like two-thirds of the room would raise their hand. And then I can say, "Okay, cool. Come over here." And then I could pull people aside and say, "Okay, the way that we make money on the internet is through this thing called a funnel." And I'm like, "Who here wants a funnel?" And now I can obviously sell them the thing that they actually need. And so that's the concept of a bridge, is you're taking this thing that they need that they may not understand yet, and you're bridging them through something that they do understand. Right? And so, for a long time, we used to do bridge funnels a lot. But over the last few years, as we've grown click funnels, we've done a good job of building a brand and making the popular rising ... I hate to say that word ... making popular the concept of funnels. And so it's not like I have to go and convince people to funnel because most people in my retargeting circles that we target on the internet, at this point, know what it is. And there's a million other people, all teaching talking about funnels. And so it's been really good for us. Right? The more noise, the more people talking about funnels, the better we do. But we're always trying to go beyond the boundaries and try to figure out the next step and the next level. Right? How do we acquire it? How do we get more people? And so recently, we started combing back through all of our data and click funnels. We've got like 100 different front-end offers. And so we've got a lot of data, and it's hard to go through it all. But we now have a business intelligent team who literally go through and just looks at all our data and finds numbers and patterns and things of that forest. And one of the interesting things that we found recently that was fascinating is that of all the front end offers we have, and this is like book funnels, opt-in funnels, webinar funnels, all the things, the funnels where the person is most likely to join click funnels and become a click funnels customer in the first 30 days is actually through one of our ebook funnels, which is crazy, so like the marketing secrets black book and the funnel cookbook. If they opt into those things, download the PDF that we give them, they're most likely to become a click funnels member in the next 30 days, which is crazy, especially since those are two funnels I built four or five years ago. And we haven't touched them or looked at them or done anything with him since. They're literally just like ... I forgot about them. I didn't realize we were driving any traffic to them. And so I was like, "Well, crap. We should look at these again." So we looked at them again, and how do we optimize these now? How do we make something truly amazing? And so I started looking at ... it was interesting because people would opt in for the black box, and we never talked about click funnels. So on the thank-you page, we don't talk about click funnels. It's like ... sorry, more cars coming. Maybe I shouldn't do marketing in the Onewheel. Anyway, so the more I started looking at these funnels, I'm like, "It's insane that they somehow bridge that gap, and they find the people." Because I'm not bridging that gap for them. Right? They're these random funnels we built years ago and forgot about, and they're out there. And so I said, "Okay, we should bring these things back, but let's strategically figure out how do we get somebody now who's going to go through this funnel?" And then, if they download the book, how do we bridge them now over into click funnels? Right? And so that was the next thing we started looking at. So we're going back through all of our webinar funnels, especially since the last couple of months when you've had all the issues with Apple and Facebook fighting, and cookies, and just all the things. Right? All right. Cost has gone up. So we're looking, and right now, it's costing us anywhere from 20 to 25 bucks for a webinar register, which is crazy. But our opt-ins are still lower, like three to five bucks to register. And so anyway, yesterday, I built about for these yesterday with Nick on my team. I had so much fun doing it. But the funnels, these bridge funnels, are very, very simple. Basically, come to the page, and it's like, "Hey, get this free book. Opt-in right here. It's the opt-in for the free book." And then the thank-you page is sweet. There's a video of me saying, "Sweet." I just emailed you the first gift. It's coming to you. I promise you guys the value of this episode is going to be worth all the noise. Anyway, so I said, "The first gift is coming to you. It's in your inbox. Go check it out there." So notice, I didn't give them the downlink on the thank-you page because on the thank-you page, I needed them to do something more important, which was register for the webinar. And the thank-you page is like, "The first gift is in your inbox. The second gift is actually more important. It's a web class I'm putting on called Funnel Hacking Secrets, where we're going to show you guys how to actually use the stuff we're talking about in the book, the ebook that you're getting. And it's going to be awesome." Right? "So go register down below." And the whole page is structured in a way to get them to register for the web class that's coming up. By the way, we tested web class, webinar, masterclass, and like a dozen different variations, and web class crushed all other versions of that phrase. So start calling webinars web classes, and it will help conversion. So there's another little marketing secret for you. So anyway, that's what we've been building, these little bridge funnels. And again, they have not gone live yet, so I don't know the exact stats. But if they stay true and we average five bucks a lead to give away an ebook, right, which, it is what it is. But if we get one out of five people hit the thank-you page and 20% conversion and the thank-you page to register for the webinar, we're actually getting the webinar leads for the same cost as we were paying before. Right? Because 20%, five people, that's 20 bucks. I'm probably doing the math wrong, but $20.00, $25 per webinar registrant. But the thing that's different is that when we pay 25 bucks a webinar registrant, we're getting one lead. Right? Here we're getting five leads. We're giving them value upfront. They're getting an ebook. They're getting a gift. They're opening their email. They're downloading the thing, so It's increasing our open rates, our click-through rates, which will get more email delivered for all of our lists across the board. Right? They're getting value in advance. They get this really cool ebook. They're like, "Oh my gosh, this is amazing. Look at this cool thing that Russell just gave me." Then they register for the webinar. My thought, I'm not sure yet, but positioning the webinar also as a bonus gift as opposed to like, "Hey, register for a webinar." I think we'll get more people to show up and actually consume it. We'll find out. And now it's bridging them over into the funnel world. So anyway, we built four of these yesterday. The ads will be starting the next day or so. I'll return the report back and let you guys know how they're doing. I have two more that I came up with last night, and I'm like, literally, if this works, any piece of content ever created from the beginning of time until now, I could use, and I could put into these little bridge model things. Right? Like, "Opt-in to get my presentation from Funnel Hacking Live." They opt-in. Cool. I just emailed it to you. That's gift number one. Gift number two, though, gift number two is this web class you need to go register for right now. And then they register down below, and boom, now they're in the webinar funnel. Right? And so anyway, I'm just freaking out excited. And it was so simple, but it's something I've forgotten about. And it's coming back to these ebook bridge funnels, or these content bridge funnels, or these one-pager bridge funnels. Let me do a test today. We're going to build one out for a one-pager. We'll say, "Hey, opt-in here to get the one-pager on my top webinar hacks. They opt-in, boom, "Hey, the one-pagers in your email. Go check it out." And then the second gift is the web class. Right? And just keep this process happening over and over and over and over and over again. So anyway, I'm hoping that it does as good as I think it will. I think it will. I'm going to have six of these rolling out in the next seven days, so if you follow my ads and hopefully you do, you'll start seeing them. And I recommend going through the process, funnel hacking, and watching slowly. They're simple two-page funnels that lead to our webinar. And then, the email sequence pushes people to click funnels as well as the webinar. So anyway, highly recommend watching it. I'll report back on how it does, but I think it's going to open up a whole new world of customers and buyers and just exciting things for us. So I'm excited for it. I appreciate you guys listening. Hope you all are doing amazing, and we'll talk to you soon. All right. Bye, everybody.

On this episode of Marketing Secrets Live, Russell explains the big “ah-ha” he had during a recent FHAT (Funnel Hack-A-Thon) event. To be on the next Marketing Secrets Live episode, register at ClubHouseWithRussell.com Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody. This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. Again, this is episode number two from a recent Marketing Secrets live show. I've been doing more of these podcasts live and having so much fun with it. Hopefully you enjoyed the last one where you had a chance to hear some really cool marketing secrets from some of my friends. This episode, I'm actually going to go deeper into something that I've been geeking out on. And I've been thinking about, that I think you are really, really going to enjoy. What I'm going to cover in this episode is actually one of the big ahas I got from a recent event we ran. It was our first live event we've had in, man, in a year and a half, two years, crazy. And it was called the FAHD event, the Funnel Hackathon event. I share one of the big epiphanies that a lot of people had at the FAHD event. If you want to get on our next Marketing Secrets Live show and get your questions answered live and hang out with us, make sure to go to clubhousewithrussell.com, go register for the clubhouse and you'll be notified the next time I go live. All right. Well, I'm excited. Typically, when I record the Marketing Secrets podcast it's me on my phone clicking record and talking. That's what's going to happen for the next 15 minutes or so, it's just sharing you guys the biggest thing that's on my mind right now. And so this week we actually did our very first live event since COVID, which was amazing. Here in our office we have an event room that holds about 60 people and so we did an event. The event is called the FHAT event, and it's not F-A-T, like overweight people who eat donuts and stuff for two days, it was the Funnel Hackathon. So Funnel Hackathon F-H-A-T. So they all nicknamed it the FHAT event. And this is an event we used to do. Four years ago was actually the very first FHAT event we ever did. And it was helping people to figure out their messaging, their story. And then we actually built out a webinar presentation with everybody in the audience, and we did it four years ago. And if you see inside of ClickFunnels community, some of the people who have had the biggest, most successful webinars, people that a lot of seven, a few eight, and a couple of nine figure earners who were in that room at the time, who crafted the webinar that went on to build out their entire businesses and their followings based on that. And so we did it once and then we ran versions of the FHAT event three or four times afterwards. And then, you know, when things work really good, like a lot of us business owners and marketers do, we stopped doing it. So we stopped doing it. I think I was tired of doing the live events. We kind of just paused it and didn't do it for a couple years. And recently I got excited and I'd been working on webinars and frameworks and just things like that. And I was like, I want to do the FHAT event again. And so we put it together. We invited some of our inner circle and some of our Two Comma Club X coaching students to come to it. And we had about 60 people in the office here in Boise the last two days, and then four or 500 people watching from home and it was amazing. It was two days and it was cool because we had a chance, it wasn't just like strategically teaching, like, oh, here's the strategic concepts, but it was very tactical, like, okay, here's slide number one, let me explain the strategy. On slide number one, this is what we do, why we do it, how we do it. And then everyone would jump in and they'd actually build out slide number one. Then we do slide number two, three, and we build out the entire presentation. So it was cool because when it was finished, everybody had a presentation that's done. They can go and they can actually use it to sell their stuff. And so that was what's happening the last two days. So obviously this is what's been top of my mind. And the last day of the event we went around the room and had everyone share their biggest aha and their biggest takeaway. And what was interesting to me is that the thing that came up the most often, that was people's biggest aha was something that I was kind of confused. I didn't realize that it was going to be even that big of a deal, and it was interesting. So before I share what that is if you know how the Perfect Webinar Framework works that we teach, right? When somebody comes on a webinar, first, we have an introduction. From there we share the origin story about how we discovered our framework, and then we have secret one, two, and three. Secret number one, you teach the strategy behind the framework. Secret number two, you teach the strategy behind the internal false belief they're going to have about the framework. Secret number three, you teach the external, false belief that they may have about their ability to use the framework. And then you transition to the stack and the closes. And that's kind of the Perfect Webinar framework, right? If you don't know how it works, if you go to perfectwebinar.com, seven bucks, you can buy the framework and the training that shows you the process. Or read the Expert Secrets book. I go into excruciating detail in that book, walking through the process as well. And so that's kind of, real quick overview of the framework for those who don't know it. Those who have gone through my stuff, you understand how the framework works. And the biggest takeaway people kept saying was fascinating was after they would introduce the webinar, they transitioned to their origin story. And what people were doing is they were just telling their origin story. Like, here's how I became me. Right? And they're telling their origin story. And even people who had really successful webinars, that's what they were doing. And when I kind of rebroke it down, slide by slide, I showed them that it wasn't just the origin story of themself that they're sharing, yet that's what most people were doing. It's the origin story about how you discovered the framework that you're actually teaching on the webinar. So for example, if you watch the webinar that we used to launch ClickFunnels, the framework that I'm teaching is this framework of funnel hacking, of how we find successful funnels. We look at them and reverse engineer them and we build our own funnels. That's the framework that I'm teaching. And so the framework, the origin story I'm sharing is not the origin story about, you know, how I met my wife or the origin story about how I started the business, that's not the origin story I'm sharing. Yet that seemed like for most of the people who were there, they've been sharing their origin story just about their life. Like, I was born on a cold winter night in blah, blah, you know, whatever, like they're telling their story, as opposed to it's the specific story about your discovery of the framework. Like, how did you actually find that framework? That's the story that's being told. Because when you do that, that then gives people the desire to go deeper on the framework. And so when we were building out everyone's webinar, the very first step we did with everyone is, okay with this webinar, there's a result you are promising. What is the result that everyone's, if they go through this 90 minute presentation with you, what's the result that they should be able to get? And so every business was different. There's some people there in the weight loss market, so I'm going to show you how to get six pack abs, how to make a million bucks or how to speed read, or you know, whatever the person, the result they had. And so it became super clear. What's the result? And the second question was, what are all of the things that people are currently doing to try to get that result? Like if someone's registering for your webinar it's probably not the first time they've like, oh, I want to lose weight. I want to make money. In fact, Kaelin Poulin said that the average woman goes through eight diets a year. So almost every month they're starting a new diet, so when they come and they register for your weight loss webinar this is not the first time. They've tried eight other vehicles this year to try to get that one result. And so that's the key is, first off, what's the big result you're promising? What are the other vehicles people are trying to use right now currently to get that result? And this webinar is about what is the new opportunity? What's the new vehicle that you're trying to show them? And so that first origin story is literally telling your story about how you've tried these other vehicles too. I tried this, I tried this, none of these things worked. And that's when this thing happened. Either I had an epiphany or I had an inspiration from God, or I met somebody and they gave me this nugget, this piece, this thing. And that's how I discovered this framework. And this framework is a new opportunity. It's the vehicle, it's a different way to get that result than all the things you've tried in the past. And this is how I found it and why it worked. So that original story, that first 15 minutes of your presentation is you're telling that story of how you discovered this framework. And that's the thing that gets the desire for them to like, okay, now I want to dive into secret one, secret two, secret three, and moving through the stack and the close and the rest of the presentation. And so again, there are probably four or five other people in the room that, that was their biggest takeaway was I always thought the origin story was just telling my story, but it's not. It's the origin story of how you discovered this framework, this vehicle, whatever you want to call it, the new opportunity that you are using to get someone the result that they've been trying to get through all the other things they've been trying in the past. And when they discover that and they hear your story about how you discovered it, all of a sudden, it's like, oh my gosh, now I get it. Now I got to figure this out because you're right. I've tried all these other vehicles. I've tried all these other ways to lose weight, or to make money or to whatever. So you're sharing those. And then this is the discovery that I found, the new opportunity, the thing that's different. And now they're intrigued, and now they're going to go through the actual teaching part of your presentation. So that's what I wanted to share with you guys is just understanding that the origin story is the origin story of your discovery, of the framework that you're going to be sharing with them during the presentation. And so hopefully that helps. And as you guys are creating your presentations again, anything you're trying to sell. In fact, I learned this originally from Perry who was on a little bit earlier, he said that, I think it was back when he was running Digital Marketer. It was like, they looked at all their old sales videos and their ads and stuff like that and anytime in an ad, they tried to convince somebody of more than one thing, the conversions dropped in like half. If they tried to convince them of two things it dropped like 100%, two to 300%. And so when you're creating your presentation, the only thing you're trying to do is get somebody to believe that this framework you're sharing is the best way for them to get the result that they're trying to get. That's the entire goal of the presentation. And so we understand that it's like, okay, what is the result I'm trying to get somebody? What are the other things they've been trying to get? And then this is the key. This is the framework that's going to get them that result. So that's what I wanted to share with you guys today, as you are crafting your sales presentations, it works for webinars, it works with video sales letters, works for upsell offers, works for your ads, works for everything you're doing, it's like that framework, that concept is the same. Sharing the origin story about how you discovered the actual framework.

After tons of questions about the difference between a 2 million dollar and a 40 million dollar a year company, now I'm going to show you behind the scenes. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com Also check out marketingsecrets.com/2ccl ---Transcript--- What's up everybody. This is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. Today's episode I want to talk about obsessing over your average cart value. All right. So I've been having so much fun in business recently. A lot of good things are happening. Things I can't tell you about yet. Things that at funnel hacking live will become apparent. And by January 1st of next year, it will become, you guys will see the future. I've been there. It's amazing and I'm coming back and I'm going to show it to you guys. But anyway, I can't tell you all the details. But I can tell you the things I am obsessing about right now because they're exciting. And one of the questions that I got a lot, there's an episode I did five or six episodes ago where I talked about the difference between a $2 million a year company and a $40 million company. And I just talked about there's two businesses I know of that sell basically the same product. One's doing 2 million bucks a year and one's doing 40. And I talked about just thinking strategically different, but I didn't, excuse me, I didn't give all the details behind it for a couple of reasons. Number one is I'm trying to acquire the $40 million a year company and I'm under all sorts of NDAs and stuff. So I can't talk about it, but after the acquisition is done, I guarantee you I'll be like... Anyway, you know I'm not good at keeping secrets. I'm the worst. This web podcast is called Marketing Secrets. My books are all called... Whatever secrets I got I just give you all the secrets. Somebody asked me, "Russell, can you keep a secret?" I'm like, "No." I've got no ability to keep secrets. I'm just going to write a book about it or do a podcast. Anyway. So don't tell me your secrets, but I'm sure that I will share with you guys more as I'm able to. But anyway, this I can share though, is as I'm watching again, the difference between $2 million offer and a $40 million a year offer is obsession with one thing. Can you guess what it is? I told you the intro. So now you know, it's obsession with your average cart value, the ACV. So what's the average cart value? That is how much money on average a customer gives you when they come into your funnel. Right? So a good example, this is my books, right? So someone buys a book and they may pay $9.95 shipping handling for the hard cover .Com Secrets book, right? So they buy that. But it doesn't mean my average cart value is 10 bucks because from there they can, there's the order form bump and then upsell one, upsell two, there's all, there's the whole process we take people through, right? So as they go through this process, the average person, so for everyone who buys the book let's say we sell a thousand books and some people buy upsell one some buy upsell one and two, everyone's buying different things, but if you do the average of all of them, it means on average how much you make for every book buyer. So a good example is when we first launched the Traffic Secrets book, I remember the average cart value was $70. So for everyone who bought a book, we averaged $70 in collected revenue during the immediate funnel, the point of sale funnel, right? It's not talking about over the next 30 days, 60 days, 90 days. Because there's lifetime value customer there's always other metrics we look at, but for average cart value is how much money they make immediately, point of sale, while they're hanging out with you. Right? And so that's the number. Now we launched the book Funnel, obviously when you first launch it, it's like your most excited audience, right? Like all you guys were probably like, "I'm going to buy Russell's book." And you're like, "I'm going to buy all the upsells." And you did and I'm grateful for that. But the average cart value was amazing, it was like 70 bucks a book. And over time as you go to colder traffic, that'll usually taper down and maybe it ends at 35, 40 bucks average cart value. Right? But knowing that, "Hey, I can spend 40 bucks to sell a book and I'm still profitable." That's a big deal. Right? That's the reason why we're able to sell so many books is because I can spend $40 to sell a free book, whereas everyone else in the publishing world they're selling them on Amazon for 20 bucks, they can spend 20 bucks maybe, and that's about it. So I can spend twice as much to acquire a customer or more because I control the cart. Plus, again, after the cart's done, then there's the email sequence, all these other things that we monetize and so that customer becomes a lot more, worth a lot more to us over time. But the average cart value is the key, right? Especially in this game, there are obviously companies we compete against who have outside investors and funding and they'll go six. They'll go negative. So they'll spend $200 or a thousand dollars to get a customer and it takes them six months to get their money back. But for me, and for you guys who are Smart Funnel hackers, who understand this game, for the most part you should be able to break even in real time. Right? So you should, when you spend a hundred dollars on ads, you should make a hundred dollars, worst case scenario, right? Just because that's, we're, we all should be. The amateurs in this Funnel Hacker world, we should be better than the majority of businesses. Right? You should be able to break even at point of sale. And so that's the first thing, right? That's how we're able to grow with scale these businesses is that we could spend $40 to sell a free book and we still break even. And now everything on the backside of that is gravy. So hopefully that makes sense because I'm going to go a little deeper here now, but that's the first part. And I'm sorry, there's so many, I know for some of you guys who've been around me for a long time and you're like "Yeah, that's a no brainer." For somebody who's maybe newer, who might be like, "I don't understand how this works. I thought that was my business was my funnel?" And it's like, "Yeah, but that's the first funnel, right?" One of my first mentors, actually the first seminar I ever went to, I heard Mike Limon say, he said, "Amateurs focus on the front end." And I didn't know what he meant for years, but I was trying to, I was trying to make money on my front end funnel and what he was saying at the time, I remember he was saying he was spending $30 to give away a free DVD. And I was like, "How are you doing that?" But I didn't realize that people gave away the free DVD. They called him on the phone two weeks later, he sold them a 5,000 coaching package and he had this whole business model. And so he's able to go in the hole because he knew that 30 days later he was going to make money. Right? And so that's, amateurs folks on the front end we're Funnel Hackers, we're not amateurs. We're the ones who understand this game and so we can make really good funnels that are profit on front end and then we've got the backend on top of it. So that's why we're able to grow companies so quickly. Right? So anyway, I digress. The thing I want to ask you guys about today is obsession over average cart value. So what I typically do, and this is my bad habit is we get together, we launched the funnel, then at launch time we're split testing, we're tweaking, we're testing, we're trying to get the average cart value as high as we can. And then after two or three weeks, Russell gets bored, he goes on to the next offer and he leaves. Okay? And my friend, who we're purchasing his company that did $40 million in sales last year, I've watched him, he's got, I don't know, four or five little front end funnels that he focuses on. Actually for him, he doesn't have a back end, which is why we're acquiring them because ClickFunnels would be perfect backend, right? But he's making all his money just off the front end funnels. But his obsession is with the average cart value, right? How much can you make for every person that comes through the funnel? And right now, just to put it in perspective, I can't remember exact numbers, but his average cart value is something like $160. So it makes it $160 every single person who buys his front end thing, which is insane. It means he can spend $160 to sell one of his things, and it's things not a free plus shipping. There's, there's a cost in it and I'm not going to tell you the pricing yet, because I can't, but it's crazy. And as I've been talking to him, as we've been doing this negotiation and buying it, purchasing the company, he'll send me messages about things he's testing and he's still the same offer he's been writing for five or six years now, it's killing it. That I might, I'd be like, there's no way to make this better. He's like, "Show me the things they're doing." And they're not like, a lot of us do split test. Right? I try this headline versus headline this versus this. And that's great, but he's not just doing that. He's been testing so much at such a deep level, he's doing these big radical shifts, right? You show me this process of where when somebody comes in after X amount of seconds this thing pops up and then for a coupon they email in. And then he sends out this email sequence and he's split testing two or three different email sequences, see which one gets the highest take rate and on and on, on. All these things, you know? And that's his obsession, is this deep dive on average cart value, making it better and better and better, you know? And when he got this focus on funnels initially, the average cart value was $60 bucks. Right? Which is good. I would have been celebrating "Ooh, 60 bucks. Good to go." I think that would have been a break even at that point because they're spending about 60 bucks to break even but then he's obsessed with. Like, "Okay, we need another upsell. What's the down sell? How do we change this? How do we change this? How to tweak this? What's the email sequence? What's the post, the pre, the landing page? What are the, like he geeks out on all these pieces at such a deep level. I started realizing that that's my, one of my biggest problems on my side, is that I do some testing up front, it's good enough, we run it and then our ad team run it, and then it runs till it's not profitable anymore and then we pause it and come back three months later and try to run it again. Right? Whereas he just keeps going deeper and deeper and deeper. And so on my side, we started building out a team specifically just to do this. He's in of my sites inspired me, "Okay, if I'm making $40 average cart value in a book, what would the metrics look like if I get to $80? If I get to $80 average cart value that changes everything, right?" It's not a little tweak, I could spend an $80 to give away a free book. The metrics on that are insane. Right now I can sell millions of copies of book versus right now we're selling hundreds of thousands of copies of the book. Right? But it's that. But I had to figure that out. So I don't know how to do it yet, but it becomes the obsession. Right? I did a clubhouse, which is probably going to be on this podcast soon. I did a marketing CS podcasts or clubhouse and on that I asked people their biggest marketing secret and Perry Belcher dropped this bomb. You may have heard this, but he said the biggest thing he found, the biggest marketing secrets he has are now are adding premiums to things. And he specifically said that when Ryan Deiss launched his book, he was getting 3% conversion rate, and so he added a t-shirt with it. Now that adds premium and went from a 3% conversion to 11%. And he didn't talk about average cart value but come on now, you get three times as many customers to buy for the exact same ad spend? Your cart value could three X, right? You can go from a $40 average cart value to a $120 by adding a t-shirt to go with your free thing. Or something crazy like adding a premium. So I don't know if that's going to work or not. I have no idea, but guess what we're testing this week? We're going to test you buy a dotcom secrets book you get an I Build Funnels t-shirt right? Let's see how that works. Because if that increases cart value by whatever, that's insane, right? The three X of my cart value, now I can spend three times more money to get customers. And then he talks about, he was doing premiums not on the front end, but on the upsells and the down sells and things like that as well. It's like, what are the premiums that can be added that make people more likely to take the offers, which increases the average cart value?What's the email sequences, what's the actual offer? Could we make the offer better to offer to be more expensive? Does it need to be less expensive? There's just a million things you could test. But most of us are like, "Okay, I tested headline A, headline B and that's it. Right? Or we don't test at all but it's like, man, after you have a funnel that works, like my buddy here, he spends obsessively for four or five years now the same product that another one of my really, really good marketing friends does 2 million bucks a year on, he's doing 40, and the difference is obsession with cart value. Because he can outspend everybody else, 10 to one. Right? And so that's the question for you is how can you obsess about your average cart value? What things can you do? Can you build a team or a process? I used to have a mantra in our company back in the day, it was when Todd was not developing ClickFunnels for full-time, but he was doing more stuff on the marketing, he would come up with split test ideas and we tried to compete against each other all the time. It was really fun. And so our mantra at the time was like, how do we give ourselves a raise every day? And it's like, well, the way we do it is by split testing, right. Let's test this versus this versus this and keep testing different things. And we have a winner, right? You add a t-shirt premium offer let's say to your book funnel and all of a sudden it goes from a 3% to 11%, you just 30 x your money or more, that's, you just gave yourself a raise today. Right? So that was always the question is how do you give yourself a raise today? How do we give ourselves a raise today? What's the next thing? What's an idea? What could we do to drive the needle, make those changes. And so for you, that's what I want to post this in your mind, right? After you have a funnel that works, instead of doing what I do, moving on to the next funnel, or focusing on something different, come back and say, "Okay, here's my cart value. Every single day how do I increase the cart value? What can I do today? What can I trust today? What can I try today? What else can I do? How do I shift the offer? How do I position it from... What can I do to it to increase that cart value? And the more you start thinking about it, the more ideas will come, the more bigger highs you have, all these things we'll tweak and change based on that. So anyway, that's what I want to encourage us to do, is starting to obsess with the average cart value. ACV, average cart value, how much do you make for each customer that comes into your world? All right. With that said, I'm going to end this podcast because I'm getting into traffic and I don't want to wreck. So there you go. Anyway, I appreciate you guys listening. Hopefully you got some value from this episode and hopefully it starts a new obsession for you on the thing that could take your funnel from a $2 million a year to a $40 million a year thing. Obsession with the average cart value. Thanks again guys. And I'll talk to you soon.

Enjoy this replay of a special episode from a few years ago. Russell breaks down this simple 3 step system on how to be coachable. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- What's up everybody, this is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Secrets podcast. Hey everyone, I'm really excited, I know I'm always excited, but today I'm especially excited because yesterday I hired a new coach. If you've been listening to the podcast for 5 years like you should have been, I've talked about this before in the past. But I'm a big, big, big, big believer in coaching. When I was wrestling I always had a coach, I usually had 3 or 4 coaches. I had a freestyle coach, Greco coach, nutrition coach, strength training coach. But sometimes we get in business and we're like, “Oh we're so smart, we don't need coaches.” And no, you're wrong. In fact, it's kind of funny because a lot of people I know who are really successful in this business for a long time who no longer are, they're like the last people to go and get coaching. It blows my mind, because they think they know how to do it all. I'm kind of at the top of my game right now, I don't know, maybe it'll go higher, but I definitely think I'm 9 ½ minutes into my 10 minutes of fame, what it is 15 minutes of fame, 14 ½ minutes in. So who knows when this whole thing will go down, but for me I'm at the peak of where I've ever wanted or dreamt of being. I'm still trying to find coaches to coach me in different areas of my life and different aspects and different things. I've had health coaches, business coaches, all sorts of stuff. Yesterday, actually two days ago I was listening to a podcast, actually the Freedom Fast Lane podcast by Ryan Moran, and he was doing a call with this dude, and the guy coached him through this thing on the podcast. I was like, that was insane. I said out loud that I want that guy to do that thing for me every Monday morning to keep me focused on what I'm doing. And I'm not going to tell you his name, not because I wouldn't share, but because I don't want all you guys trying to hire him, because that's not his core business. But anyway, the next day I messaged Ryan I was like, “Dude, I need this guys info.” And he's like, “Oh.” And then I messaged 50 other ways and finally Dave got a hold of him and two hours later I was on a call with him. During this call he literally did a laser coaching thing with me and I was like, “This is so awesome. I want this every week.” And it's kind of funny, this isn't his full time gig, doing coaching like that. He's like, “Well, where do you want to go?” I'm like, “I want to write you a big check for money and then you do this every Monday morning for me.” And he's like, “Okay.” So I did, I wrote him a check. And now next Monday I have my first actual thing and it's so exciting. I've had different coaches in my life. I have a coach every Tuesday morning I meet with more on like, it's Tara Williams, who is an energy coach, but it kind of goes in different directions, from spiritual to physical to mental to business to relationships, all over the place. So that's one that touches on different areas of my life, but this is very specific on focus and intent and I'm so excited. I'm excited for that. I wish you guys could see how I was jumping around, crazy. I was so excited to give someone money to be able to coach me. Because it gets hard, the different levels you get to, it's harder to find a coach who's there, who can take you through a different aspect, so it's just exciting for me. I'm so excited. In fact, that's why as a coach, I obviously coach a lot of entrepreneurs, I don't want my students or friends, whatever you want to call them. I want to keep progressing myself so that they keep having something to tap into, if that makes sense. I've had a lot of coaches throughout the years, that I came in and really quickly we met and then surpassed and I'm like, I can't get stuff out of it. I don't want my people ever feeling that way. That's why I'm always pushing myself, pushing myself, pushing myself just so that I'm always as sharp as possible so I can keep serving and giving and coaching. But anyway, I'm just excited and what's interesting, and this is the point of the podcast, not that you guys care that I hired a coach. But more so it's because at the last Inner Circle meeting last week, we had 4 days of Inner Circle and I got 4 days next week too, I'm so excited. But what's interesting, I watched a pattern. It was such an interesting pattern. First off, people in the inner circle are people who, they hear what I say, they do it and then they succeed. It's really interesting. They hear what I say, they do it, and then they have success. Hear, do succeed. Hear, do, succeed. When I was wrestling, I remember one of my coaches telling me, “You're one of the most coachable people I've ever had.” I said, “What do you mean?” “Well you hear what I say and then you go and do it. I literally between matches will show you your level was too high. You need to lower your levels, be moving more. Next match you're doing that. Most people I tell them that over and over and it takes weeks or months or years to even attempt it. I tell you something and you just do it.” And I'm like, “Yeah, isn't that how it should work?” You hear someone you trust, that you hired, that you are paying to be a coach, someone who is your coach, you hear them, you then do that thing, and you make money. Or you hear that thing, do it and then wrestle better. That's the process. So the key first off, you gotta tap into somebody that you trust. Someone who you know is not going to lead you astray, someone who knows more than you do. So when you hear them, you're not second guessing should I do that, should I not? You gotta pick the mentor that you have 100% faith and trust in. It could be me, someone else, I don't care, just pick somebody where you're like, I have absolute faith in that person's opinion. Therefore I will do whatever they say. I will hear and then I will do and then I'll have success. But what's interesting is during this whole inner circle, again, I'm watching and most of these people, that's who they are. They hear, they do, they succeed. That's why there are able to afford 25 grand to come hang out with us a couple of times a year. That's why they're having success. But as I was watching, not all of them, but probably 60% of our inner circle members are also coaches in different markets, different industries, things like that. And what's interesting is almost all of them said “I've got these students and they just hear what I say and do it and they have success. But I've got all these other ones who don't.” And I was like, it's so fascinating to me that people that have success what do they do. They heard, they did, they had success. The one's who didn't, they heard, they questioned, they thought about it, they flip flopped, they over analyzed, they studied something else, they did this, they….they get stuck in this thing in the middle that they don't really hear. And it's just so fascinating for me. Yesterday when I heard, two days ago when I heard that podcast and the second I heard it I was like, “I heard it, now I'm going to go do so I can be successful.” How am I going to do it? I know I'm going to forget or it's going to be hard so I'm going to pay someone so I can do it. So I heard, did, boom now I guarantee you guys will see in the next 6 months, the changes in my company and hopefully in me personally because of this coaching. Again, I could have heard the podcast and thought about it and tried things, but no I heard it, I'm going to go do it and then I'm going to be successful. So if anything you get from this, there is a pattern of people who are successful in all areas of life. The pattern is number one, they find the mentor, the person, the coach, whatever they believe to get them where they are, and then they put on blinders. They hear, they do, they succeed. Hear, do, succeed. Hear, do, succeed. That's it.  And if you're not successful, something happened. Number one you picked the wrong mentor, so you picked someone you're not really trusting or they have bad advice, bad strategy whatever. So if that's the case, pick somebody that has the right strategy that you trust. That's number one, so you do it. Number two, you have to listen to them. Now listening, I said this to one of my friends one time. There's two types of listeners in the world, those who listen and those who wait to be heard. And a lot of you guys are hearing stuff, but you're waiting to be…..You're trying to inject this thing in the middle, and I don't want you guys being the people who are waiting to be heard. You are hiring a coach so you can listen. So stop, get the right person with the right strategy, pay them whatever it takes, then listen. Listen. Even if you think you know a better way, you read a blog post or a book or someone who has a different…it doesn't matter. There's a million ways to skin a cat. Pick a strategy from a person and then listen to what they say, and then whatever they say, do it. That's it, just do it. And then what will happen? You will have success. Listen, do, succeed. Listen, do, succeed. It's a pretty simple strategy. It's somewhere between the listening and the succeeding we get caught up trying to think or over analyze or whatever it is. In fact, it's interesting, people that are really good at school typically, the reason I think they don't succeed in this kind of world is because they listen and they analyze and think….it's good to think for yourself, but you're hiring someone who already thought through these things for you. Like this dude yesterday, I don't know, I'm guessing he was surprised at how he said something and I'm like, “Okay, I'm doing it. Done.” I listen, I heard, I did. I'm not like, “Well, my company is bigger than yours and I did this…” or whatever. No, I listen, I do, I succeed. I trusted him enough to give him money, therefore I'm trusting his strategy with 100% certainty that this is the way. Otherwise, I wouldn't have picked him, I wouldn't have paid him, I wouldn't have whatever. I chose that person, therefore I will listen with 100%, I have 100% certainty that everything he says is going to be truth, therefore I will listen, I will do and I will succeed. So this message is mostly for those of you guys who are struggling. My guess is that somewhere between this little chain that you're missing. You picked the wrong person to tap into a strategy. But if you're listening to this, you're listening to me, so obviously you picked the right thing. So you got the right strategy to listen, do, and succeed. Boom, that's it. I look at Brandon and Kaelin, literally Brandon and Kaelin come to every event, they're at everything we do. They listen to every podcast, they're probably listening to this right now smiling and saying, “Russell keeps dropping our name again.” They listen to everything. They picked somebody they trusted, they listen, and they do. I will literally be onstage at an event talking about a concept and I get off stage, and Brandon's like, “hey that thing you just said, I just launched it.” I'm like, “What?” He's like, “yeah, While you were talking I did it.” He's listening, he did it, he'll succeed. That's why their company is going….. Everyone else in the room is sitting there listening, listening, taking notes, thinking about how cool it would be, and then they hang out in networking and they're talking and….No, Brandon is there listening, doing and that's why they're so successful. So for you, look at that chain, there's four elements. Pick the right mentor with the strategy and have absolute certainty in what they say, listen to what they're saying, again listen, not waiting to be heard. Listen, then do it. Whatever they say, don't even… Just do it. Just jump off the cliff. I trusted this person, therefore I will jump off the cliff if they tell me to. Just do it. And then get success. That's it. That's it, it is really that easy. So easy. It's insanely easy. I don't know why we keep complicating this. So don't complicate it. If you do this thing and don't have success, there's somewhere in here, either you didn't hear it right, or you didn't do it right, or you picked the wrong strategy. If you get the right strategy up front, you listen and you do, then you'll have success. It's inevitable. You can't not succeed. So there you go guys, I hope that helps. It should help you, but it should also help the people you're coaching. It should help, so many ways. Understand that guys, that's the key. So, I appreciate you all for listening and subscribing to the podcast. If you're not subscribed yet, go to iTunes.com and subscribe or I guess marketingsecrets.com there's a link to the iTunes, that might be easier. And then please rate, review, let us know, share this, if you got any benefit from this. Appreciate you all, thanks so much for everything and I will talk you all again soon. Bye everybody.

The roundtable interview with Matt and Caleb Maddix and a small group of people who are trying to change the world. Enjoy part three of this special 4 part episode series. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- Russell Brunson: What's up everybody, this is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to The Marketing Secrets podcast. I hope you've been enjoying this series so far. This is The Roundtable of World Changers, a conversation I had with Matt and Caleb Maddix, and a whole bunch of young entrepreneurs, who are literally out there trying to change the world. This is part three of a four part episode, because the conversation went for three or four hours. And so, this episode's also going to be about 40 minutes long, and it's the next set of questions they asked me. And if you've listened to the last two, you know that these guys ask a lot of questions, in a lot of different directions, and angles, and went all over the place. And I think this time is probably 01:00 or 02:00 in the morning. And so, the questions started going from everywhere, from business, to relationships, to families, and a whole bunch more. So I hope you enjoy this next episode. Here's some of the bullet points of things you're going to learn about. We talked about the 10 commandments of marketing. I talked about my very first mentor, and a thing he taught me, not just to make money in the short term, but how to build a business that now has lasted me for almost two decades. I talk about one of my friends and mentors, Daegen Smith and something that he taught me. It was so simple, yet it's been the key to help me get thousands of people a day to join my email list. We talked about leadership, delegation, scheduling. We talk about, as you're building a team, understanding people's unique abilities. Talked about how much time you spend thinking about the future. Talked about proximity with billionaires. We also talked about how to balance your business and married life, so you can be a good husband and a good father, which is something that I stress about all the time. We talked about a principle that I learned from Stacey and Paul Martino, that has been one of the most powerful things I've learned, which is called demand-relationship. I talk about that. We talk about some relationship tricks, for those who are either married or getting married. Some of the newlyweds, and the engaged couples, were asking some questions about that. Hopefully I don't get in trouble for sharing some of my tricks. We talked about knowing what your values are, and your priorities. Talked about being vulnerable, and being honest, versus staying positive through challenges. We talked about some of the biggest principles and things I learned from Tony Robbins, including how to change your state whenever you need to. And we talked about my 12 year relationship with Tony Robbins, and all the things behind that. We talked about... I don't want to spoil any more. You guys, this is a fun interview. And hopefully, you've been enjoying these so far. So with that said, we're going to cut to the theme song. When we come back, we're going to take you guys immediately back into this conversation. This is, again, The Roundtable of World Changers, part three of four. Matt Maddix: Let's say there was a Russell Brunson 10 commandments. You know how God had one. Russell: Thou shall build a list. Matt: Yeah. How high is this in the 10 commandments? Russell: My first mentor, Mark… Matt: And what would be some of the Russell Brunson... Let's come up with some of them. Like, "Thou shalt..." Russell: We need some stone tablets. Matt: "To all the funnel hackers, thou shalt and thou shall not." I want to hear- Russell: That would be a fun presentation, actually. Matt: Yeah, that would be, actually. Caleb Maddix: That would be. Russell: That would be cool. Matt: Dude, you need to do that. Russell: Come back from the mountain, we have 10 things. Matt: Yeah, seriously. Caleb: Wow. That'd be awesome. Matt: No, the five 'thou shalts', and like, "Thou shall..." and then- Russell: "Thou shall..." Matt: ..."Thou shall not, no matter what..." What would some of those be? Russell: That could be a really cool presentation, actually. Well, so I would say, in my first venture was Mark Joyner, and he was the one... So in context, in history, 18 years when I started, Mark Joyner... I don't think it's probably known. He's brilliant. But he built a company, and sold it off. And at the very end of his career as a coach person, I got to meet him and get to know him a little bit. But I remember, at that time, Google AdSense was this thing that came. And so, if any of you guys are old enough, just try and remember the Google AdSense days. It was insane. They were software. You click a button on software, it would pop out of site, pop out another site. And these sites would make anywhere from 100 to $1000 a day. And you just keep clicking this button, it would pop out another site. And so, people were making $1 million a month. They had teams in the Philippines, that these guys just clicking the button to build the software. It was just... But it was all fake. But it was tons of money. Insane amounts of money. I had friends making so much money. And shiny object, very shiny object, the most sexy shiny object of all time. You click a button, you can make $1 million. That was it, that was the pitch. And it was true. Matt: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Russell: For so... Everyone I knew. Can you imagine that? Matt: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Russell: If I go back in time, 18 years ago, I would move to the Philippines, I would hire everybody, and we would just click buttons. And I would've been- Caleb: Wow. Russell: ...a billionaire. It was- Caleb: Wow. Russell: It was insane. That's how Google got people adopting the AdSense program. So people would put ads on every single site, every single everything. And so, I'm getting in this game, I'm seeing this, and I'm morons making insane amounts of money. And I was like, "Ah!" And Mark had just become my mentor, the very first time, and he's like, "That's going to go away. Focus on building a list." I'm like, "But this guy's a moron. He made $1 million last month clicking a button. No strategy, no brains, no nothing." He's like, "I know, but it's going to go away. Focus on building a list." I'm like- Matt: Wow. Russell: But- Matt: Seriously? Russell: "He's clicking a button. Building lists is hard." He's like, "Build a list." I'm like... And I remember fighting him and fighting him, he's just like, "Dude, trust me. I've been on cycle. It's going to go away. Just focus and focus." And I was so upset, but I listened because I do that. One thing I pride myself on, I'm very coachable. Coach tells me something, I do it. I obey all giants with helicopters and stage presence. Matt: I love it. Russell: They tell me to do it, I do it, right? So I was like, "Ah, but there's free money in piles-" Matt: Even when it's hard- Russell: "All right." Matt: ...you do it. Russell: So I did it. And sure enough, I was doing that, and doing that, within six months, this things collapsed, disappeared, destroyed people's lives. Because you're making $1 million a month clicking buttons, what do you do? Especially as a young kid. Matt: Spending that much money. Russell: You're buying Lambos, and Ferraris, and helicopters, and pilots, and girls, and insane amounts of money. And then it disappears overnight. Devastating, ruined these guys, ruined them, so many people. Matt: There's no skill behind that at all. Russell: Yeah. And I had a list, and I just coasted through it. Right? And I've looked at the SEOs, every single up and down, up and down, through the years, and I just listened to Mark and just focused on building my list, focused on building it, and- Matt: So you still feel that as strong today, as when you heard it? Russell: 100%. Matt: Even then. Russell: 100%. That's one of our KPIs. How many people doing lists today? Every single day. Matt: Really? Everyday? Russell: Everyday. Because I did it for a long time- Matt: Even now, you're saying? Russell: 100%, everyday. John Parkes everyday sends me a number. “How many people joined our list yesterday?” That's all I want to know. Caleb: What's your guys' email open rates? Russell: It fluctuates. 20 ish percent. Caleb: Okay. Russell: Around there. But it was funny because I remember, I had forgotten that lesson after a while. And if you guys know Daegen Smith, Daegen, he's getting back in the game now. He's brilliant. But I remember I had a list, and I was my money off of it. I wasn't focusing on it. And I remember he asked me a question, he said, "How many..." It wasn't, "How many people are on your list?" Because that's what most people ask, "How big's your list?" But he asked me a different question, which input output, right? Matt: Yeah. Russell: The question was, "How many people joined your list today?" And I was like, "I don't know." He's like, "Go look right now." I'm like, "Okay." So I log in, and look at the thing, it was like 12. And I was like, "12?" And I was like, "Is that good or bad? I don't know." And he's like, "Let me show you mine." And he showed me his, and it was like 1400. And I was like, "You had 1400 people join today?" He's like, "Yeah." "Wait, how'd you do that?" He's like, "I just look at it everyday. And when I look at it everyday, somehow it grows." And I was like- Matt: Wow. Russell: "Okay." So then, everyday, after I log in and look at my thing, it was like 12, I'm like, "Ah." In my head, I'm like, "Fricken Daegen had 1400. I only 12." Caleb: Yeah. Matt: Wow. Russell: And also, I was like, "What do I do to get people to join the list?" Matt: Yeah, start optimizing. Russell: And then, your mind starts thinking differently, and all of a sudden you start focusing on it. And it's crazy. I can't tell you how many entrepreneurs, that have been in my world, who have gone up and then come down. And what happens, mostly, is they do something, they build a big list, they stop adding fuel to the fire, they have this list, they sell things to the list, the list atrophies, and eventually starts shrinking and dying. And then, they don't know how to build lists, the business crashes and dies. Matt: I hope you guys are really listening. Really. I mean, he's- Caleb: That's powerful. Matt: ...saving your life right now. Russell: The question, the goal, every single day, is that, because it's a fuel to your fire. And what happens was you stop putting fuel on the fire, and it doesn't die immediately. So you're like, "Oh, I've turned off Ads, so I'm good. But I'm just going to focus on emails, let's focus that." But just every email you send out, your list atrophies, shrinks, dies. And then, eventually, it'll just die. And so, yeah, if you're not consistently, constantly feeding the list, every single day- Matt: And once you have the list, what's the biggest mistake people make with their list? Russell: They don't email it. Matt: Yeah. Russell: They're scared to... You think it's too much emails. It's not, it's the opposite. It's that they don't email. Caleb: Okay. Russell: Minimum of three times a week. Closer to everyday. Matt: Wow. Russell: If you talk to Daegen, it's twice a day, everyday. Matt: Really? Caleb: What other KPIs do you have sent to you every single day? Russell: I want to know how much we made yesterday, striped. Because first off, it's cool to know. Caleb: Yeah. Russell: But second off, also it's like, I want that number to be bigger everyday. So it's like, actual money in the thing, how many people joined the list today, and how many books are sold, how many ClickFunnels members. Those are the ones for me. Our teams have other KPIs they focus on. But those are the ones I care about. Matt: So out of 30 days, when you hear the numbers, how often are you pissed and how often are you like, "Yeah."? Russell: Nowadays, it's always pretty good. Matt: Nowadays, it's like, "Woo." Russell: Because it might go up or down a little bit, but the numbers are big enough, that it's just like, "That's so crazy." I remember... Anyway. I remember just the growth of ClickFunnels, because you know Stripe dings every day with your numbers. I remember when we started going, it got to the point where it's like $10,000 a day, I was like, "$10,000 a day is insane. That's just so cool." And then, it got to a point where it's like $20,000 a day, and then 30, and then $50,000 a day, and then $100,000 a day, and then 150, then 200, 250, 300. I'm just like, "This is insane to me, that this is a daily thing that come..." it was just... Anyway, that's when it got just weird. And it makes me mad because Todd made a commitment to me, that as soon as we passed $500,000 a month in sales, he'd move to Boise. Matt: And he didn't yet? Russell: No. So... Matt: You were out of there already. Russell: And then, I was like, "Well, we have $500,000 a day." And then, he still hasn't come. So I don't know. Some day. Do you think Todd will ever move to Boise? Speaker 4: Plus I'm curious if I could pop in to ask a question. Russell: Yeah, feel free. Speaker 4: I've always wanted to ask someone of your stature, that's done as much as you have, impacted as much people as you have, and really built the business that you have. So I'm curious on your take on leadership, building a team, delegating, and your schedule and how you go about scheduling your day, and prioritizing what's important for you, as a business owner, and what you delegate to your employees and their responsibilities as well. So leadership, delegating, and scheduling. Russell: Good question. It's interesting because I would say I'm not the best leader on my team, by any stretch. And so, it was interesting because I spent the first four or five years with ClickFunnels as the CEO, trying to do my best with it. But it wasn't my unique ability, is leadership. I feel like I'm good at leading a community, but I struggle a lot more with employees and teams, internally. And so, about a year ago or so, I handed the reins to Dave Woodward, to be the CEO of ClickFunnels. And he's been amazing. Man, what he's done inside the company has been awesome. And I think a big part of it is understanding, at least for me personally, I was trying to be a leader, and trying to develop that, but I wasn't the best at it. And I think sometimes we think it's always got to be us. Like, "It's my company, I got to be the CEO. I got to be the leader. I got to do these things." It's understanding that a lot of times there's people who are really good. Who's the best you could find to be that? Or any part of our business. You know what I mean? It's a big part of it. The second thing is, if you've studied Dan Sullivan at all, one of his biggest things is unique ability. That's the thing. What's your unique ability? What's everybody's unique ability? And I think when you start a company, it's tough because it's like everyone's in charge of everything, right? I'm the CEO, but I'm also taking out the garbage, I'm also doing... everyone's Speaker 4: Yeah. Russell: ...doing a little bit of everything, which is cool. When you're scrappy in the beginning, that's important, and everyone's doing that. But as you grow, that starts hindering you more and more and more, where we had people who are insanely talented, who if I could just get them doing this thing, 100% of the time... And that's when it got to the point with ClickFunnels, is that my unique abilities are writing, are being in videos, are building funnels, doing the... Those things are my unique abilities. Caleb: Engineering. Russell: Yeah. And I was spending maybe 10% of my time on that, and 90% of the time in meetings, and trying- Matt: Wow. Russell: ...coordinate people, and leadership. And it was stressful and it was hard. Matt: And you were draining. You were probably drained doing that. Russell: Yeah. And I was miserable, that was just... I wasn't good at it. Not feeling good, like, "Ah, I'm not getting through to people. I can't figure this out." But I felt like I had to own, I had to be the guy, I had to do the thing because this is my baby, this is my business. And the last 12 months has been crazy, because I handed it to someone who actually is good at that, that is his unique ability. And I'm watching company structure, and meetings, and KPIs, things that I was never super good at doing, and consistently having it all happening now. And now, I'm in the marketing department again, and I'm building funnels. People are like, "What do you do all day?" I'm literally in ClickFunnels, building funnels. "No, but you have funnel builder..." No, I'm literally in ClickFunnels, building funnels. I didn't start this business because I wanted to be a CEO of a big huge company. I did it because I love building funnels. I'm an artist, when it comes down to it, this is my art. Matt: Wow. Russell: And that's what I get to do now. And it's amazing. So Dan's got Fridays we book out, and we spend videos, he's got a whole bunch of YouTube videos, we film five or six YouTube vlogs last week, on Friday. So we have that times blocked out to do that, right? I'm writing my next book right now, so I've got my mornings blocked out to write books, because that's when my mind's got not a million things so I can do that. And then, after morning comes in, after I do my wrestling practice, I come in. And that's my teams there, and that's when we're building funnels. I got my designer and my copywriter, the people, and I get to facilitate that. And I feel like the... What's the guy in the orchestra, the maestro? Caleb: Conductor? Russell: Yeah, like I'm the conductor, I'm conducting all these talented people. And everyone's bringing... And I'm alive, and it's exciting. And at night, I can't sleep, because I'm excited again. And so, I think that's the biggest thing, is taking the pressure off yourself if you're not the best leader. That's okay. What are you the actual best at? And success, in business, I think, at least for me, I always thought I had to be the best at everything. And it's the opposite, where it's like, "How do you focus on the thing you're best at? And get the rest of the people around you." Speaker 4: Yeah. And it gets- Matt: And it's... You had to have been willing to let go of your ego, man. Or you wouldn't have been able to grow so much. If you try to do it all yourself... Caleb: So I have a question. How much time do you spend actually thinking about the future? Because it seems like, from what you've told us, you're very dialed in and obsessed on the process, and that's how you've gotten to where you are, up to this point, because you're in love with the game. How much of your time do you spend thinking about the future, and what's on the horizon next year, five years, 10 years? Does that cross your mind? Or what does that look like? Russell: It's interesting, I can't remember who was talking to about this... The further out you look, the fuzzier it gets. You know what I mean? And so, I think for me, it's like we have... I know where I want to go, but the in between is really, really fuzzy, right? It's hard to know. And so, it's like I know... For me, the last big boat was $100 million, the next one's a billion. So we know there's the thing. But it's so far from... I don't know the steps to get there. You know what I mean? And so, for me, it's more like, "Well, here's where we're at." In fact, that was my... We had a chance, last month, to go spend a day with Tony Robbins, and we each had a chance to ask him one question. So that was literally my question, just like... Matt: What was your question? Russell: My question... It'll be a blog soon. Not yet though. No, but it was basically like, "We've gotten to this point, and I know to get to the next goal, the things we've been doing are great and they got us to this point, but I have to think differently to here. I don't know how to think differently. How do you think... It's not another book I'm... Is it a book? How do I think differently?" And what Tony said, that was... it's a very... He said a lot of things, but one of the big things was like, "Proximity is power," like, "You have to be in proximity with people who have already accomplished the thing that you're trying to do." And it was interesting because I look at the path of how I grew ClickFunnels, I did that 100%. I was like, "All right, who are the..." and we found the people, got proximity, and then grew it to this point. So eventually, we kind of coded out of the people who I was aware of. So I asked Tony, I'm like, "Well, where would you go to?" And he's like, "Well, if it was me," he's like, "Who's built the billion dollar company?" He's like, "Marc Benioff." And he started naming all these different billionaires. And this and that, all these things. And I was just like, "I never even assumed those people could... I could be..." it seems so far away. And I was like, "Oh my gosh, that's..." Having a proximity to those people, and start thinking differently, because I don't know the journey but they've done it. Because someone in our world, and like, "How do [inaudible 00:16:13]?" I'm like, "This is literally a 13 minute project. There you go. [inaudible 00:16:16]." It's like I've done it so many times, it's not hard, right? But for them, it's like this is the rocket science to figure it out. And then the same way with these guys who have built billion dollar companies. So now it's trying to proximity to those people, and trying to get around them, and trying to figure out the journey. So the first thing we did, literally, I got out with Tony, Tony gave the answer to the question, and I knew the first guy I needed to get into proximity with. So I texted Dave, Dave called him up, we brought him on retainer. And now, we've got him an hour a week, to get on the phone with him and just ask him all of our questions. And have him introduce us all the different players at that next level. So a lot of it's that. Dave, who's the CEO, was very focused on all the... He's very much like, "Okay, first, to get to this goal, we have to have everyone here, here, here. These are the percentages, the numbers, all the..." Those things stress me out, I hate spreadsheets. He's always got spreadsheets. But he comes back with all the spreadsheets, I was like, "All I need to know from you is... Because I'm going to be building a funnel. What's the goal? What do you need from me to be able to do that?" He's like, "We need more ClickFunnels trials." Like, "Done. I can... Okay. That's where I'm going to focus my energy." And then, it's like, now I can creative on that piece, because I know this is the metric that I can do, with my skillset, to drive it. And everybody's got a metric, right? The traffic team, everybody's got a metric. But for me personally, it's like the only thing I actually affect in a short term, micro, and then I can focus all the creativity and effort on that, while trying to figure out how to shift my mind set to be bigger, to... Caleb: If Marc Benioff offered you $1 billion for ClickFunnels, what would you say? Speaker 4: Good question. Russell: I'd ask him for five. Matt: Good response! Rob: Can I ask you a question, outside of business? Matt: You asking a question? Oh. Rob: Yeah. Matt: Oh, go ahead. Rob: So I remember you were talking about your wife earlier, with how you wanted to get her the couch. Me and my fiance actually met at ClickFunnels, at your event. Matt: Yeah. Rob: So- Matt: ClickFunnels wedding. Russell: No way. Rob: So what I'm curious about is- Russell: Am I going to be the best man at the wedding? Caleb: I told you, you've got to come, I'm like, "You've got to invite Russell." Rob: So what I wanted to ask you is, obviously you run a nine figure company, and there's a lot that goes into that, how do you balance with, let's say, number one, your wife and then your kids as well? And then, what is your secret to a really successful marriage, that's worked for you? Matt: Dude, what- Rob: I think that's something that many entrepreneurs have good marriages that don't really get asked about. So I was just curious about that. Matt: Yeah. Russell: So I hear three questions in there, right? So balance, happy wife... What was... There was a third one? Caleb: Kids. Rob: Yeah, just balancing it, running a company. I mean, you do all these things, you also have a wife, you have kids. Russell: Yeah. So I would say a couple things. So number one is balance is this thing that we all, for some reason, in our mind, we all seek after. But everything great in my life has come from times of radical imbalance. When I wanted to become a wrestler, I wasn't a great wrestler because I was balanced, it was because I became radically imbalanced in that thing. Matt: Dang. Russell: It became the most important thing in my life, and everything else suffered. But I had to do it to be considered successful. When I met my wife, we didn't create a great relationship because we were balanced, I became radically imbalanced. And all my time and effort and focus was on her. And that's why it became great. ClickFunnels, same way. We built ClickFunnels, I was not balanced. We had to become radically imbalanced for a season, to focus actually to get... So that's the thing to understand. In anything great in life, you can't do it in a point of balance. It's radical imbalance that causes greatness. Matt: And that's golf. Russell: And so, you got to be okay with that. But it can't be for forever. It's got to be something that goes, and it comes and goes. Because people who get radically imbalanced for a long time, they can lose their family, they can lose their kids. Rob: Was there a point where you had to tell your wife, "Hey, this is what I really want to do."? Russell: A lot. She had to- Rob: And she had to just- Russell: ...be on board with- Rob: ...get on board. Russell: She had to get on board, yeah. And if she wasn't, I had to say, "Okay, what's more important?" If it was her, then I had to say no to that. And there's been many opportunities in my life I've had to say no to. Rob: What's that dynamic like, being that guys are together, just as far as working out just normal little things? Russell: So I- Rob: Just decisions, those kind of things. Russell: Yeah, well, marriage, you're going to find out, it's hard. Just so fully aware. No one told me that, going into it. I was like- Matt: Yeah. Russell: I was like, "This is going to be amazing. This is going to be the greatest thing in the world." And it is, it's awesome. But man, it is way harder than I thought. Rob: Just to be a person. Russell: Yeah, someone's... I, actually, I would highly recommend Stacey and Paul Martino have a course that my wife and I have gone through the last year, and it's amazing. There's a principle they teach about demand-relationship. If you just go through their... They have a 14 day quick start, it's like $100. But if you just learn the principles of demand-relationship, what they teach. The biggest game changer in a relationship I ever... Of all the things I've studied... Rob: Why? Russell: It is amazing. Rob: What was your take-away? Russell: The principle of demand-relationship is that, throughout history and society, the way that most of us get things done is that... So in a relationship, there's a power player, and there's someone less, right? And if I want my wife to do something, I'm going to demand, like, "I need you to do these things." Right? And that works, until the other person has the ability to leave. So prior to divorce being a thing, men, throughout history, have had a dominant relationship over women. They used to manage and get what they want, and women couldn't leave. And so, it was a horrible thing, right? But they couldn't leave. As soon as divorce happened, boom, it started happening. Right? When parents come over to their kids and give demand-relationship, as soon as the kids are able to leave, it breaks. And then, breaks his relationships. And so, that's the problem, is that for the last 5000 years, that's been our DNA, that men force women to do these different things. And that's what the demand-relationship is. Their whole training, their whole course, everything they teach is the opposite of demand-relationship. How do you create a relationship, where transformation happens through inspiration, not through demanding, and chasing. And it's tough because, for all of us, especially men, it's been so ingrained in our DNA that if we want something, we... That's how we do business, how we do things. But in a relation, especially an intimate relationship, it's the worst thing that could possibly happen. And that's what we all do. So it'd be worth... I'm hoping she writes a book some day, because it's... In my new book, I have a whole chapter, actually, teaching her framework on in demand-relationship. What's that? Rob: Were you high school sweethearts? Russell: College, we met in college. Rob: So she was with you before you started... Russell: Yeah. Rob: ...and had the huge success- Russell: Yeah. Rob: ...basically. Russell: Yeah. Rob: What was that transition like, from you guys, I guess, being... struggling, and you guys stay together- Matt: Good questions, Rob. Rob: ...to now- Russell: His mindset's on this. Rob: Yeah. Russell: Going into it. Rob: What is that like? I'm just curious, because I mean people don't really talk about this, I guess, a lot. Caleb: Relationship genius. Russell: Yeah. And it's different, because some relationships, both the people are in the business, some aren't. My wife's not involved in the business at all. She... Rob: Oh, okay. Russell: ...doesn't understand it, and she doesn't want to be part of it. And that's okay. It's like sometimes that's been the biggest blessing for me, sometimes it's been hard. Caleb: Yeah. Russell: Right? Sometimes I see the power couples, who are both in the business, and it's really, really cool. But I ask them, and they're like, "Sometimes it's a great blessing, sometimes it's really hard." So there's pro's and con's both ways. But I think the biggest part is just, this has been good for our relationship, and at first we didn't always have this, but it was like... Just figuring out how to get... You both have to have that same end goal, otherwise you're fighting against each other, right? And so, when we were building ClickFunnels and stuff, it was hard at first, because she didn't really... She's like, "What are you guys doing? You spend all this time and..." didn't understand it. And it was tough because I was trying to explain it. And luckily, for me, is that Todd was part of this too, and his wife was kind of struggling. So they had each other to kind of talk through it. But it wasn't until the very first Funnel Hacking Live, where... Because my wife had never been to one of my events before, anything we'd really... She knew what kind of we did, but not really. And she came to Funnel Hacking Live, the very first one. And she didn't come down at first, because she didn't realize what was happening. And she was doing some stuff, and then, she came down with one of her friends and walked in the back of the room, and saw all the stuff. And she started just crying. She was like, "Oh, this is what you're... I had no idea this is what was happening, and what was..." And then, it became real for her. And that was such a huge blessing for me, because now, the next time, it was like, "We have to work hard for this." Or, "We're planning for..." whatever, she was able to see this is the fruits, and like, "Oh, that's why you're doing it." Now, if you notice, my wife's, every Funnel Hacking Live, front row. She doesn't understand a word we're saying, but she's there, she's paying attention, because she's like, "Look at all the people, and their lives are changing, and impacting." And now, it's different, where when I got to do work, work late nights, or whatever, she sees the vision, and she's on board with it. So it makes so much easier. The other secret I learned is if I tell her, if it's like 05:00 at night, I'm like, "Crap, I got to stay late tonight." And I call her at 05:00 at night, nothing good can come from that. It's better if you just go home, right? If I know Wednesday night, I'm going to be working late, I tell her Monday. Like, "Hey, Wednesday night, there's a good chance I'm going to be late." And then, if I tell her that, she's totally cool with it, right? But you don't tell them the day of. It'll destroy your marriage more than anything. Matt: That's good wisdom. Russell: The other secret, this secret don't put on camera, I don't want my wife to... Matt: Is that right? Russell: Yeah, if I have any inclination that people are coming to town, or something's happening, I always like, "Just so you know, next week, Matt and Caleb are coming to town. There's a good shot we might go to dinner at night, just so you're fully aware." And she's like, "Cool." And then, it's fine. The other secret, this is the real one. So don't share this outside this room. Speaker 4: This is the off camera one. Russell: Yeah. So especially after... For my wife and I... So we started having kids, the same time I started this business, right? And so, I'm traveling, I'm going to events. And she's at home with the kids. And so, we never traveled before, so I'm going on these vacations, I'm meeting these cool people, I'm in hotel rooms. So every night, I'm getting back, and I'm like, "Oh my gosh." And I'm like, "Okay, I met so and so, and then..." all these things I'm so excited, so pumped about these things. And I'm telling her about stuff, and she's at home with twin babies, miserable, tired, horrible, feet hurt, body hurt. And I'm out having the time of my life. Matt: Yeah. Russell: And I'm thinking she's going to be pumped for me, right? Matt: Right. Russell: No. And for probably a year or so, I was just like... And then, one day, I remember I'm at some event, and I get cornered by people. And then, introverted Russell's like... anxiety, and it was horrible. And somebody cornered me in the bathroom, and asking me questions while I'm peeing. And it wasn't even... At least, sometimes, most of the time, they fake pee next to you, so at least it's not awkward. He was sitting next to me, watching me pee. I'm like, "Can you at least fake pee?" And so, anyway... It was so bad. And I got home that night, and I call her on the phone, and I was just like, "It was horrible." I went off about how horrible it was, and I was miserable. And she's like, "Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry." But then, she was cool. It was awesome. And I was like, "I didn't get in trouble." And so, the next time I went out, I got home that night, call her, I was like, "Oh, it was horrible. My feet hurt, my back hurts." Anyway, and I've told so many people this, entrepreneurs and friends, who do that, and they shift... Because they don't want to hear you're having this... Anyway, is this truly good or not? I don't know. It saved my marriage. Matt: Is it true? Russell: Literally saved my marriage, and it saved so many of my friends, who… so many of friends, who had the same thing. They want to hear the stories, but not in the moment. When you come back home later, you tell the stories, they love it. But in the moment, when they're miserable, and you're having fun, it is not... First time with Tony Robbins, when I walked on fire, I call her that night, I'm like, "I just walked on fire. Waaa!" And I hear the kids screaming in the background, and she was angry. And I was like, "Huh." And I'm like, "Cool, I'm sending you to walk on fire next month." I sent her to walk on fire, and then she was on fire. But it was like... Caleb: She's like, "No." Russell: Later, she wants to hear, but not in the moment, because it's just like... Anyway, so- Rob: Yeah. Russell: ...that was- Rob: Makes sense. Russell: ...life changing for... Anyway, so... And then, the other thing is just you have to understand what your values are. I learned this from Tom Bilyeu at a level that was fascinating, recently. But- Caleb: Who was that? Russell: Tom Bilyeu, he runs Impact Theory. Caleb: Oh, okay. Rob: Impact Theory. Caleb: Gotcha. Russell: But he writes out his values, but he prioritizes them. So his number one value is his wife, number two... And he has the values written out. And so, when a conflict comes in place, or he gets asked to speak at a huge event, speak for the Queen of England, or whatever, but it's the same weekend as his wife wants something. He's like, "My wife trumps the value... 100%, she trumps it. So the answer's no, and it's not hard for me to say no." Caleb: Wow. Russell: And so, it's figuring it out for yourself. What are your values? Personally, with your family, the wife, everything like that. And you define them, and then it's like there's no question. That's what hard, is when you value something here, and your spouse values something differently, and the conflict of that is what causes the fights, right? But if you get on the same page, like, "Look, this is number one, two..." You have these things, then it makes it easier to navigate those things, because it's like, "No, I understand this is one of the values we have together, as a couple, you should go do that thing." Or whatever the thing might be. So anyway... Caleb: That's awesome. Russell: But marriage is one of the hardest things, but one of the most rewarding things, at the same time. So it's worth it, but it's a ride. Go through demand-relationship, man. That's- Rob: That's a great point. Russell: ...so good. Speaker 4: I got a question. Rob: Yeah, go ahead. Speaker 4: So two big things that I heard from you, amongst your story, you were talking this positivity. When you were doing great at something, or you learned something, you're so excited about it, you're so positive, but then there's this other part of you that's very vulnerable. Russell: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Speaker 4: And so, you experience anxiety, or you have challenging days, or you're discouraged. How do you find the balance between those, of being vulnerable and being honest with how you're feeling, versus, "Hey, this is a challenge. I'm an entrepreneur, I can overcome this."? Matt: Right. Speaker 4: What's the balance? Russell: Yeah. That's good. One of the... Everyone who's met Tony has a story about how Tony's changed their life. But one of the biggest things that I... There's three or four things that I got from Tony, the very first time I went to his event and I heard him speak, that had a huge impact on me. One of the biggest ones was state control, understanding that. Have you ever heard him talk about the triad and things like that? Speaker 4: Yeah. Russell: I'd never heard that before, and I remember watching him do these things on people in the audience. And it was fascinating. He took a lady, who was... He picked somebody in the audience who was suicidal, and he's like... It was the weirdest thing. And he talked about the triad, right? There's three things that change your state, right? There's your language, there's your focus, and there's your physiology, right? So he takes someone, he's like, "I need someone who's suicidal." He takes this beautiful girl. I remember, we were up in Toronto, so then he takes this girl, and he's like, "I need you to get depressed. Not a little bit depressed, clinically suicidal." She's like, "What?" He's like, "Just get there in your mind. Whatever it takes, get dark." And you see her state change, right? And he keeps pushing her, and keep pushing her, and he gets her to this point. And anyway, it's crazy I'm watching this. And I'm kind of freaking out, because I'm watching him do this to this girl, getting her to a point... And soon, she's bawling her eyes out and everything. And he's like, "You got to get deeper. Get darker. More miserable." All this stuff. And you see him change this girl's state. And all of a sudden it stopped. And finally, it seemed like forever, finally he stops and he's like, "Everyone look at her. Watch her. Look at this." He's like, "What do you notice? What's her physiology?" You see her body, you see tears, and all this stuff. And you see her just broken. And then, he's like, "What do you say?" And he goes through the whole triad with her. And he shows that. And he's like, "Now I'm going to show you how quickly you can shift this." To the point where it's like... Anyway, it was crazy. And then, he shifts it, and he starts taking her back through, shifting the physiology, shifting her shoulders, shifting everything, shifting her meanings, shifting focus, shifting what she's saying. And he gets this girl, within three or four minutes, to literal ecstasy, it was crazy watching this. And you see her, where she's laughing... the opposite side of it. And I'd never seen somebody like that, the flip of emotions, how easy it was, by just shifting these three things in her. And it had such a profound impact on me. Caleb: Is there video of that? Russell: Not maybe the one I saw, but he does it at every UPW, he does it... I'm sure there's YouTube videos of it, as well. But if you type the triad, I think he calls it the triad or state control, things like that, you see it happen. But I saw that, and I was just like, "Oh my gosh, I never realized that we had control over that. I thought my feelings were my feelings." Like, "Here's your feeling." Like, "Okay, crap, this is the feeling I have today." And after experiencing that, I was like, "I could actually change this." I didn't know that. And it's interesting because I think sometimes when we're depressed, or we're sad, or we have these things, I think some of us like it. I've had times before, I don't want to be happy. I'm enjoying feeling miserable. And sometimes, I sit in there because I enjoy, because we do, it's weird. It's messed up. But I felt that. I'm like, "I could change this but I don't want to." But other times, I'm like, "I have to change it." Now that I've learned that. It's crazy you can shift your state, and you can do that and show up the way you need to be. And one practical example of how I use it a lot is, when I get home at the end of the night... And this kind of comes back to your question, I think, earlier, too. How do you do all the things? And I told you this yesterday. One of the things that I got the biggest, from being around Tony Robbins, the most impressive thing about him is when... Tony's got... As busy as any of us are, take that times 10, and that's Tony, right? He's the most busy person ever. But if you have a chance, a brief moment with Tony, where he's going to say a million things, and you have a second with him, he is the most present person I've ever met. The world dissolves around it, and it's just him and you, and there's nothing else. You can tell. And he's just zoned in on you, and it's this magical experience. And as soon as it's done, he's just gone, he's on the next thing. But that moment, he's hyper-present. And so, for me, when I'm doing things, it's like... Like, when I get home at night, at the end of the day, park my car, I walk in, and there's the door before I come into the house. And sometimes, I'm anxious, I'm thinking about work, and thinking about stuff, I'm stressed out, the FBI sent me a letter today, Taylor Swift suing me, whatever the thing is. And I'm like, "Ah." And then, I'm like, "I'm going to walk through that door, and I can't do anything about it now. My kids are there, my wife's there." And it's just like, "Okay, I got to change my state." And right there, before I walk through the door, I change my state. Get in the spot, and then like, "Okay, here we go." And I walk through the door, and it's like then I'm dad. And it's different, right? And so, I think it's learning those things. Because it's not... Your feelings are weird, they're going to show up in one way or the other, but the fact that you can control them, which I didn't understand or know how. But as soon as I realized that, it's just like, "I don't have to be sad, or miserable, or anxious, or whatever. I can actually change those things in a moment, if I understand how." And that was one of the greatest gifts Tony gave me, was just understanding how to do that, and seeing it in practical application with somebody. And now, it's like I can do it myself, any time I need to, if I need to. Matt: How do you act around Tony Robbins? Especially from the beginning to now, because you guys are close now. He probably looks at you like I look at a lot of these guys, that are Caleb's friends. I look at them like nephews, these are like... I'd do anything for them. And I know that... I can see that's how Tony starting to look at you. But take us from the very first time, because he didn't he have you come to an event, ask you a bunch of questions, take notes, and then just leave you hanging, or something like that. Tell the story, real quick. Russell: Oh, man. Tony's so intense. I still get scared to... It's still like, "Ah." Anyway, every time I see him, it's just like... I don't know, it's weird. His presence is- Matt: He still makes you nervous. Russell: Oh, yeah, for sure. But the very first time... So yeah, it was... I don't know, it was probably 04:00 in the morning. I don't even know. The shorter version of the long story is they asked me to come meet him in Toronto, at UPW, same event as this whole experience happened. So I went up there, and supposed to meet him one day, and it shifts to the next day. And if you ever work with Tony, just know if he tells you he's meeting you at 10:00, it could be like four days later you actually meet. You're on Tony time. Yeah, it's- Matt: That's just how it is. Russell: It's crazy, yeah. Just waiting. But it's always worth it, so you just wait and be grateful when it happens. But anyway, so we finally get to the point where we meet, and I have to drive 45 minutes. This is pre-Uber, so I'm in a taxi to some weird hotel. And we get there, and then me and his assistant stand outside for another hour, waiting in the lobby. He kept looking at his phone, nervously, like, "Ah." He's like, "Okay, Mr. Robbins' ready to meet you. Let's go." So we run up the stairs, we go to this thing, we walk in this room, and there's- Matt: And this is the first time you ever- Russell: ...body guards everywhere. First time I ever met him, yeah. Yeah, he's like a giant, comes and gives me a huge hug. And we sit down, and he's like, "You hungry?" I'm like, "Yeah." And he was vegetarian at the time, so he's like, "Get Russell some food." And brought me out this amazing plate of... I don't even know what it was. But it was... I was like, "If I could eat like this is every night, I'd be vegetarian." Because it was amazing. It was- Caleb: It was? Russell: ...insane. And then, got his tape recorder out, he's like, "You okay if we record this?" I'm like, "Yeah." So he clicks record, picks out a big journal, he's like, "You're Mormon, right?" I'm like, "Yeah." He's like, "I love the Mormon people. When I was eight years old, I went to a Mormon church and they told me to keep a journal. I've kept a journal ever since. Do you mind if I take notes while we talk?" Matt: Wow. Russell: I'm like, "Eh, okay." So he's recording, taking notes, and then he drilled me for an hour. Just like do, do, do. Just like- Speaker 4: And how long ago was this? Russell: This is 13, 14 years ago. Speaker 4: Okay. Russell: Anyway, it was intense. And I can't remember what I was saying, I was so scared, I'm second-guessing everything I've said. And then, he's asking me numbers and stats, because we were trying to do this deal with him. And it was so scary. Matt: So he was just drilling you with questions, and just trying to- Russell: Oh, like crazy, yeah. I'm trying to just... Yeah, dude. Anyway, it was crazy. And then, he had to go back to UPW to speak again, so he's like, "You want to drive with me?" So I'm like, "Yeah." So go down, and jump in his Escalade together, we're in the back seat, and we're driving. And it's just crazy. And I remember he asked me a question about this one... I won't say the person's name because the story isn't positive for the person. But he asked, he's like, "What do you think about so and so?" I'm like, "Oh, that person's really cool and really talented." He's like, "He's a very significant..." and he just talked about six human needs, earlier that day, so I was very aware of here's what the needs are, right? And he's like, "Yeah, I don't think I'd ever work with him, because he's very significance driven." And I was like, "Oh, that make sense." And all of a sudden, I was like, "Ah, Tony is reading my soul, right now." I was like, "What drives me? I don't even know what drives me. Does he know what drives me?" Like, "Oh my gosh, am I significance driven?" I'm freaking out, like, "Ah." And all I remember is panicking, thinking, "He knows more about me than I know about me, at this point." And all these things, I'm freaking out, we're driving in his Escalade. And we get to the thing, and he's like, "I got to go inside. Thank you so much, brother. I love you." Jumps out the car, shuts the door. I'm sitting in the Escalade, like, "What just happened?" Matt: It was that fast. Russell: It was insane, yeah. Matt: It was just like- Russell: And then, the driver's like, "Do you want to get out here? Do you want me to drive you somewhere?" Like, "I don't even know where we are." We're in Toronto somewhere, that's all I know. And so, it was just the craziest experience. And then, I don't hear from him for four or five months, nothing. And I'm like- Matt: What were you thinking? Did you think- Russell: I was like, "He must've hated me. Maybe I failed the test. Am I significance driven?" I'm freaking out about all the things. And then, one day, I get this random... It was actually my wife and I, we were celebrating our anniversary, so we were at... It was a StomperNet event, but we took her, it was this cool thing. And she'd just gone to UPW. I sent her like three months later. So she walked on fire, and she was like... And Tony talks about Fiji there, so she was like, "Someday we should go to Fiji." And then, we get this call from Tony, and it was like, "Hey..." Or it was Tony's assistant. Like, "Hey, Tony wants to know if you want to speak at Business Mastery in Fiji, in two weeks." I was like, "Tony Robbins..." I started saying it out loud so Collette could hear me. "Tony Robbins wants me to speak in Fiji, in two weeks?" And Collette, my cute little wife, starts jumping on the bed, like, "Say yes! Say yes!" Caleb: Aw! Russell: And I was like, "Yes, yes, yes. Of course, we will." And then, we're like, we've got three kids that are all toddlers at this time, and like, "Can we bring kids?" They're like, "There's no kids allowed on the resort." I'm like, "We've got three little kids." He's like, "Ah, all right. We'll figure it out." So I hang up, and we're like, "We don't have passports for the kids, we don't have anything." So anyway, it was chaos, we're freaking out. We ended up getting them there, they literally built a fence around our... The Bula house, where's Dan at? The Bula house we were in. They built a whole fence around, so our kids wouldn't die because- Caleb: Did they really? Russell: ...there's cliffs off the back. Yeah, it was crazy. And then, I'm speaking to this room, and there's less than 100 people. I'm speaking, and Tony's sitting in the back of this room, I'm like- Matt: While you're speaking. Russell: ..."I thought he was not going to be here. This is really scary." Yeah. And he's paying attention the whole time. Matt: Does it make you more nervous? Russell: He introduced me, he brought me on stage, which was like... I still have the footage of that, it's really cool. He brought me on stage, which was crazy. And then, I remember, because in the thing we're talking about lead generation, I was talking about squeeze pages. And afterwards, he got on. He comes up afterwards, he's like, "Yeah, I heard squeeze pages don't work anymore. Is that true, Russell?" He's like, "People say they're kind of dead, they don't work anymore." And this is, again, 12 years ago. And I was like, "Who told you that? They totally still work." Which is funny, because we still use them today. But he was just like, "Somebody had told me they don't work anymore." And I was like, "They..." anyway, "They work, I promise." But anyway, and then I don't hear from him for five years, and then something else happens. It's just weird, these long extended periods of time. But then, every time, every moment, I tried... Five years later, it was a call, it was like, "Hey, Tony's doing this thing. He wants your opinion on it." So I spent like two or three hours with his team, consulting, giving feedback, as much ideas as I could. And like, "Cool, thanks." And then, nothing for two years, and then something else, and then... Little things keep happening, and happening, and can do more and more together. And then- Matt: What did you learn from that? You think that's just- Russell: A couple things I've learned. Number one, I'm sure you guys get this a lot, people who want to work with you, they show up and the first thing they show up with is, "All right, I got an idea how we can make a bunch of money together." Right? They always come, and want to figure out how they can take from you. And I was so scared, and grateful, I didn't ever ask Tony for anything. The first time I asked Tony for anything ever was 12 into our relationship, after Expert Secrets book was done. I had just paid him $250,000 to speak on our stage, and just finished the interview promoting his book. And I was like, "Hey, I wrote a new book. Do you want one?" Matt: Wow. Russell: And he's like, "Oh." And he took it. I'm like, "Cool." And then, a week later, I'm like, "Ah, will you interview me on Facebook with this?" He's like, "Sure." And then, he did, and that video got three and a half million views on it. It was crazy, coolest thing ever. But it was 12 years before I asked him for anything. And I had- Matt: Wow. Russell: ...served him at as many different points as I can. I think the biggest lesson from that is that... And I get it all the time, people come to me and it's like they're trying to ask and take. It's just like... I get it, and it makes sense. But it's just like, "This game's not a short game. If you do it right, it's your life. This is your life mission." Right? Matt: Yeah, that's good. Russell: And so it's just understanding you're planting seeds, and you're serving, and if you do that, eventually good things will happen. And something may never happen with Tony, and that's cool. I do stuff for a lot of people, and nothing ever good ever comes from it. But hopefully something does. Sometimes it's indirect, sometimes it's not, sometimes it's just karma, or whatever you believe in. But if you just always go with the intent to serve, not to like, "What's in it for me?" It just changes everything. And then, if you do that, if you lead with how to serve, stuff comes back to you. But if you lead with trying to get stuff, it just doesn't work. The energy's different in the whole encounter. You know what I mean? Matt: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Russell: So I'm sure you guys have felt that with people, when they first come to you, and it's just like, "Ah." Matt: So is there a point where you... You went to his house. Russell: That was cool. The thing I can say is it was really cool, because most times when I'm with Tony, you're around people. In Fiji, it was fun seeing him, because he's more personal and stuff like that. But it was really special in his home, because it was him and his wife, and it was cool. It was fun just seeing him as him, like as a kid. And even my wife, like, "He seems like a kid here." He was so excited, and showing us his stuff, and all the things. Matt: Ah, well, guys, listen. Russell: Anyway- Matt: A few more questions, because I mean, man, you've been at it for almost two hours, dude. I can go all night, and I know he could. But Brea Morrison, give it up for her for letting us be here. Thank you so much.

The roundtable interview with Matt and Caleb Maddix and a small group of people who are trying to change the world. Enjoy part two of this special 4 part episode series. Hit me up on IG! @russellbrunson Text Me! 208-231-3797 Join my newsletter at marketingsecrets.com ---Transcript--- Russell Brunson: What's up everybody, this is Russell Brunson. Welcome back to the Marketing Seekers Podcast. So I have got to ask you, what did you think about episode number one of the World Changers Roundtable? Hopefully, you loved it. There were so many things covered in that 42 minutes. Anyway, we are moving on to the next part of this interview. As you know, this is going to be broken down into four parts because they kept me there, handcuffed to a table, until 3:00 AM. I'm just joking. They didn't really. But, the question was so intriguing, we were having so much fun, we just kept going and going until finally I was like, "I have to fly out in three hours. I need to get back to my hotel." But now we're going to go dive into the second part. This next episode is probably another 30 to 40, 45 minutes or so as well. So these are some things we'll be covering in this one, which is really fun. We talk about, number one, why my business partner, Todd Dickerson, is so amazing, and hopefully give you ideas about if you're pursuing opportunities and trying to land your dream job or partnership or whatever. Number two, we talked about personality profiling, how we actually are hiring here at ClickFunnels. We talked about where my love for learning came from. We talked about transition for me, going from an athlete to a business person and a marketer. We talked about some of the lessons I learned from Lindsey Stirling, things I was not expecting to hear from her that totally changed everything for me. We talked about people who intrigue me, my interest in health and bio hacking. We talked about is there anything that happens inside of this business that gets me as excited as what I felt in wrestling. We talked about what thing is close, but nothing actually has ever hit it. We talked about the first Two Comma Club Awards. We talked about how to upgrade your identity as you grow. We talked about the fact that you have to cycle and fail and rebuild in your businesses. We talked about the launch of ClickFunnels and how it wasn't just the fact that I was a genius, because I wasn't. There are so many things. Talking about the grace of God and how it tied into the launch of ClickFunnels. We talked about some of my early products, like Zip Brander and Forum Fortunes. We talked about my Christmas Grinch sale, which was the very first big sale, big launch I ever did, to my little tiny list that made enough money to cover Christmas for my wife and I when we were first getting started. We talked about becoming worthy. We talked about list building, how it's better than buying ads, and a whole bunch of other things. It's amazing, this could be 40 courses all wrapped into one super podcast episode. So if you liked the last episode, I think you're going to love this one as well. And I've got two more after this, coming back, going deeper into this conversation with the Roundtable of World Changers. So, that said, we're going to cue the theme song. When we come back, we'll dive right into the second section here of the interview. Matt Maddix: Dave and Todd, I mean, just wow. Those dudes are like... But what about those guys? Russell: So here's Todd's story. So the real long story short, I bought some software, it was coding Ruby on Rails, didn't know that. Bought this company with the last... I didn't have the money. So I borrowed money, bought this company, coded on some platform we didn't know, and I was like, "Screw it," right? And I tried to hire people to fix it, nobody could fix this platform until finally I was leaving the office one day. I literally emailed the people saying, "Turn off the servers." We lost all of our money to this company. They shut it down. And I'm walking out of the office and I had this impression of like, "There could be someone on your email list who knows Ruby on Rails." I was like, "That's weird. I had a bunch of internet marketing nerds. There's no one that's like, 'Ruby on Rails...'" Anyway. It was starting with the impression from God, I stopped, turned back around, set the computer to open back up, sent an email to my list. "If you know Ruby on Rails, I'm looking for a partner. I bought a software company and it's not working. Please send me a message." Send. Matt: And that's all you said? Russell: Yeah. And lo and behold, three years earlier, Todd bought some random thing from me, happened to be on my email list. He built the website three or four years earlier that was making six figures a year on autopilot. Hadn't worked in four years. Just hanging out relaxing with his wife and his daughter. And an email comes in and it says, "If you know Ruby on Rails, I'm looking for a partner." He's like, "I know Ruby on Rails. I can be Russell's partner." Emails me back. And at first I see him and his beautiful wife and I'm like, "There's no way he's a programmer. There's no way." That was literally my thought. But he was the only person that responded back so I was like, "Okay, well, here's the login to the site. Fix it. I don't know what to do. I'm not a coder." I went to bed, woke up the next morning. He's like, "Cool, I fixed the site. Plus I found this, this, and this. And I changed this. And I moved these things,", and all of this stuff. He's like, "It's working now. Do you have anything else you want to do together?" I'm like, "Huh." And so I give him another project, another project. And for an entire year Todd and I worked together, and never once did he ever ask me for money, ever. Matt: Wow. Russell: Not a penny. And I remember he started finding Boise to work on a project together ... Matt: You're telling me he worked for you for an entire year? Russell: For free. More than a year. Caleb Maddix: Why was that? Russell: I don't know. I found out later. He'd gone to Robert Kiyosaki at this event and he said, "Find someone who's doing what you want to do and work for them for free." So he told me that years later. I didn't know that. Matt: Todd, if you're watching dude. I love you man. You're legit. Russell: And so he kept coming and he started coming to Boise and we started becoming friends. The smartest developer I've ever met. Literally the smartest person I've ever met. I'll go that far. Just genius. And he'd come out to Boise and we'd work on projects and ideas. We tried to launch a couple of things. None of them really worked. And we were just trying stuff. He was just always there, always serving, always doing stuff. And one day were in Boise and I was looking over his shoulder cause we're looking at stuff and I saw his email. And there's all these emails from some recruiting site or something. I was like, "What's that?" He's like, "Oh, it's people recruiting me for a Ruby job." And I was like, "Do you get a lot of those?" And he's like, "I get three or for a day." I'm like, "Really? Are they good offers?" He's like, "I don't know. Let's check it out." He opened it up and the first one was like $400,000 a year starting salary. I'm like, "What?" The next one is $350,000. The next was 5 ... Insane things. I'm like, "Why don't you do that?" He's like, "I don't want to work for them. I want to be your partner man." I'm like, "What?" And then I all of a sudden had this realization that I hadn't paid him in a year. We didn't have much money at the time, we're still at the backside of a business failure when we met. I'm like, "I can pay you maybe $50,000 a year. Can I pay you that?" He's like, "Whatever." So I told our little bookkeeper, "Pay Todd $50,000 a year." And they're like, "Okay." So he did that and next year we're paying $50,000 a year. We're doing stuff and we have more things. Started to get a little success here and there. Making more money. Back in Boise again. And I'm like, "Can I pay you some more?" And he's like, "Whatever." Matt: So he wasn't ever just asking? Russell: Never in his life has he asked me for money. Ever. So we bumped it up to $100,000 a year because that's what we got, the year before that, after a year or two working together. And then, it was crazy, the day Leadpages got the first round of funding for $5,000,000, the same day Todd was flying to Boise. And he gets the email. It's east coast so he's two hours ahead. He's awake and on the plane, he sees the email, forwards it to me, and then jumps in the plane. He's flying for four hours. I wake up. I see the email and I was like, "Leadpages? Got 5 ..." I was like, we built landing page software in the past. I was perplexed and angry. And then Todd lands. And Todd, he's a little guy, he comes into the office all angry. He's like, "Leadpages got 5 million!" He's like, "I can build Leadpages tonight. Do you want to build lead pages?" I'm like, "Yeah. Let's compete with Leadpages." He's like, "All right." Matt: No way. Dude. I love this. Russell: This is like angry Todd. I love angry Todd. I like all Todds, but angry Todd is the best Todd. Matt: Is it? Okay. Russell: He's just pissed because he's like, "I can build this tonight. Everything thing they got we can have done tonight." So we're getting all ready. What should we call it and everything. And then he's like, "Wait, we're building this. You want to add anything else to it?" And I was like, "Oh. Yeah. What if it did this? And what if it did this?" And we spent a week in front of a white board saying, "What if it did?", and we mapped out ClickFunnels. Matt: So you're talking about a week where you guys just locked in and you were just having fun. Just doodling and whatever. Russell: Yeah. He's like, "Oh, I can do that. We can do that." We're brainstorming all sorts of stuff so we map the whole thing out. Matt: Did you know at that moment you were onto something big? At that moment right there, when you guys were like ... Or was it just still like ... Russell: All lot of people have tried something like that. I tried before other people tried. No one had done it. So I was kind of skeptical but Todd's like, "I can do this. This is easy." I'm like, "Okay because I tried it ..." He's like, "No dude, I can do it. This is easy." So I was, excuse me, optimistically hopeful because he's a genius but I was also nervous. But anyways, we map it out and then we bought Clickpros.com. I wanted to call it ClickFusion because I own ClickFusion, but we'd had three failed businesses called ClickFusion. All of them failed and Todd was like, "No. It's bad karma. We can't." I'm like, "But the logo is so cool dude." Matt: I love it. You love the logo. Russell: And he's like, "No, we can't." He's like, "It's got a jinx on it or something. We can't do that. You have to come up with a different name." I was like, "But ClickFusion is the coolest name ever." So we're trying things. Click everything and then ClickFunnels. We're like, "Ah." That was the thing. We're so excited Matt: Who first said it? Do you remember? The words ClickFunnels. Caleb: It's almost like God saying, "Let there be light." Russell: I would assume it was me but I'm not positive. I'll have to ask Todd on that one. Caleb: Well, when you said it, was it instant? Like fire? Russell: It was insane, it was available. Matt: Oh, you know that feeling, right? Checking domains. You're like… chills. Russell: How has no one thought of this before? And so we got it and I remember I was driving him to the airport at the end of the week to take him back home. And we got to the airport. Boise airport, It's a small airport. So we pull up to the thing to get out and you can tell he's probably nervous waiting. And before we get out of the car he's like, "I really want to do this man. I'm excited." I'm like, "Me too. Me too." He's like, "I don't want to do this like your employee though. I want to do it as your partner." And in that moment, I was just like all the fear of ... I'd tried partners in the past. It hadn't worked. All this stuff and all the everything. And it was just this weird thing of just all the emotions were hitting me as he sat in the car, about to get out the car. I have 15, 20 seconds before he's going to to go. I was just thinking about him. I was like, he's never asked me for money. He's never done anything. He's served. He's given everything. I was just looking at him. I was like, "All right let's do it." He's like, "Cool." And he got out of the car and he's gone. Matt: Wait a minute. So at that moment? Is was that quick? Russell: That was it. Matt: It was a gut feeling that you just knew. That he was ... Russell: It was him. Yeah. And I was literally... I said this on stage at Funnel hacking live, outside of marrying my wife, it was the greatest decision I ever made. Matt: Yeah. I remember you saying that with tears. Russell: Yeah. Matt: Why though? I'm curious because it's not just ClickFunnels. Russell: He's amazing. If you look at our personality profiles, it's fascinating. We have the same personality profiles. The Myers-Briggs. Except for one letter's different. Where I'm a feeler he's a thinker. And it's been magical as a partnership because we both have so much respect for each other that we don't try to fight each other. And it's very much like if I wanted to do something, I'm like, "This is what I want to do. This what I'm feeling. What do you think?" And he'll come back and be like, "Well, I think this." And so I come up from feeling instead of thinking and it's really cool. So sometimes his thinking will trump my feeling. And I'm like, "You're actually right. Let's not do that." Or vice versa. Where he's like, "I'm thinking this." And I'm like, "I don't know why but I feel this." And he'll be like, "Okay." He respects that. We just have such mutual respect that we've never been in a fight. We've never argued. We've never had problems. It's been amazing. Matt: Wow. Russell: And he's similar to like we talk about with Dan. He went back home after us white boarding that, sat in his basement for five or six months and built ClickFunnels by himself. Caleb: Really just by himself? Russell: 100% by himself. Caleb: No other team. No other dev? Russell: It was just him. And the right before we launched, we brought in another partner, Dylan, who built the front-end editor and did a lot of the UI. And so then it was those two as we got closer and closer to the launch. And then for the next year it was just those two that did everything. And then after a year, we started bringing in other developers. But it was 100% Todd. Matt: Wow. Russell: He's amazing. In all aspects. You know you have friends you think they know everything about everything. That's like Todd except he actually knows everything about everything. You ask him anything and he's just like ... I don't know how he does it. And I'll always fact check him, like, "Oh my gosh. He's right again." He's brilliant. It's amazing. Matt: So for those of us who have partners or are maybe going into partnership, what's your best advice? And what do you feel like he does right that other partners don't do? Russell: I think the hardest thing with partners is typically we want to partner with someone who is just like us. We did a podcast most recently. Dean, Tony and I, right? We've done two partnerships. Both partnerships made it through the launch and they stopped. Made it through the launch and stopped. The podcast was like, "Why?" I love Dean. I love Tony. They're amazing. The problem is that me and Dean had the exact same skill set. Matt: Oh. Russell: And so the problem is that both of us are right. We both understand it right, but we do it differently. And so it's like You have two people, and so typically you want to partner with those people who are like you. You're like, "Oh, we think the same. We should be partners." But that's not necessarily the right thing because then you've got two alphas with the same skillset, and someone has to win and someone has to lose. And it's hard. Whereas me and Todd, we have different skill sets. There is never a winner or a loser. We can both win because different skill sets, both the same mission. It's really easy. So I think the biggest thing is you're trying to find the yin yang. You're not trying to find someone who thinks like you or acts like you. In fact, this is true in most hiring processes as well. I used to have people like, "Send me a video if you want this job." Right? So I get these videos, and the people that I wanted to hire were the people like me. I'm like, "This person's awesome. They think like me. They're a genius. They're amazing." You'll hire them, and within a week I'm like, "I hate this person." It's horrible. So we started shifting the way we do our hiring based on personality profiling instead. DISC profile drives most of my own personal hiring so I know that I'm a high D, high I, high S. No C at all. Right? And so the people I need to hire around me are high S, high C. The problem is the people I who I watched their videos and I'm pumped, they're high D, high I. So I'm like, "Yeah. These people are awesome. They're charismatic. I'm going to love them. They're drivers, they're awesome. Worst employees ever. Matt: Right. Russell: Right? So when people send us this profile, first I find the right profile and then from there I do interviews. Because if I interview ahead of time I get sold by the people who sell and then they're horrible employees. And so I make sure they're high S high C, because I know that if I talk to high S high C, I'm going to be kind of bummed out. Like, "Oh, I don't know if this is the kind of person that I'm going to jive with." But they're the best people to surround myself with because I'm such a high D high S. I'm a creator. I'm throwing things up in the air and I need people who are S and C, who are faithful finishers, who are going to take the things, capture them, and make sure that it's amazing. Matt: Do you feel like businesses and entrepreneurs are making a mistake by not having their employees and their team take these tests? Russell: 100%. I have a new company we're launching all about personality profiling because I'm such a big believer in it. Matt: Really? Tell me why. Top three reasons. Russell: It's in all things in life. If you're going to be a partner. If you're going to date someone. Understanding who they are is such a big part of it. Right? Because we think everyone sees the world the same way we see it and it is not true at all. The way you see it, the way we all see is so different and so if we don't understand that at a deep level, then I get upset by what y