The Underground

In the opening episode of Season 4, Phil and Kate discover the rich personal and professional journey of Will Armitage: agricultural and horticultural consultant, entrepreneur, and current President of the HTA (Horticultural Trades Association). From rebellious beginnings to helming his family's sixth-generation business and ultimately championing the sector on a national stage, Will shares an absorbing story of tradition, adaptation and advocacy.This episode explores the soul of horticulture, the people who make it thrive, the quiet power of collaboration in a competitive world, and the urgent need for government recognition. Will also lifts the lid on the HTA's vital work: from policy lobbying and business benchmarking to the power of regional networking. Plus, a surprising tale involving Victorian oil paintings, greenhouse glass, and a tree that makes Will smile every time. It's a conversation not to be missed.https://www.linkedin.com/in/warmitage/https://hta.org.uk

In this first episode of a two-part special from The Underground Podcast, hosts Kate and Phil dig into the root of the industry's biggest environmental pivot—going peat free. With decades of dependency on this “gold standard” of growing media, why is it now so crucial to leave peat behind? And why is it proving so hard to replace?From the carbon cost of extraction to the slow regeneration of peatlands, this episode explores the environmental urgency driving the move away from peat. But this is no simple switch. Through conversations with leading scientists, manufacturers, campaigners, and trade leaders, we uncover what made peat so effective—and why sustainable alternatives must work harder to match its performance.Whether you're a professional grower, a home gardener, or simply peat-curious, this episode lays the groundwork for understanding what's at stake and what's next in this growing media revolution. Episode 2 will pick up the trail, delving into the practical realities of making peat-free work.Featuring:Elaine Gotts – Research & Development Scientist, Levington / Evergreen Garden CareSimon Blackhurst – Horticulture ConsultantWill Scott – Team Leader, Heart of Eden (AHS Limited)Jane Hartley – Brand Portfolio Manager, Evergreen Garden CareSteve Harper – Chair, Responsible Sourcing Scheme & Managing Director, Southern TridentSally Nex – Environmental Gardener & Campaigner, Peat-Free PartnershipFran Barnes – Chief Executive, Horticultural Trades AssociationJane Lawler – Marketing Consultant & HTA Board MemberDan Durston – National Sales Director, Durston'sToby Thomas – Managing Director, RocketGro

In this special episode of The Underground Podcast, Kate and Phil take you behind the scenes at the Garden Press Event 2025, held at the Business Design Centre in Islington, London. A key date in the gardening industry calendar, this event brings together brands, innovators, and industry experts to showcase the latest trends, products, and sustainability initiatives shaping the future of gardening.As they weave through the bustling exhibition hall, Kate and Phil catch up with a diverse mix of exhibitors, from household names like Gardena, Evergreen Garden Care, and Westland to passionate independents driving innovation in the sector. From the latest in peat-free compost and eco-friendly packaging to high-tech gardening tools and educational initiatives for future generations, this episode is packed with fascinating conversations and exclusive insights. Whether you're a green-fingered enthusiast or work in the industry, this is your chance to get the inside scoop on what's next for gardens and green spaces.Your hosts:Phil Wright: ⁠⁠http://wrightobara.com⁠⁠Kate Turner: ⁠⁠http://www.gardenerguru.co.uk

In this episode of The Underground Podcast, Phil and Kate sit down with internationally acclaimed garden designer, TV presenter, and horticulturalist Peter Donegan. Known for his visionary approach to garden design, Peter shares his journey from growing plants under his bed as a child to designing breathtaking landscapes around the world. His passion for storytelling through gardens shines through as he discusses transformative projects, including a poignant garden in Melbourne honouring veterans and a hidden courtyard garden in a 13th-century French castle (links to view below)Peter also delves into the importance of biodiversity, how small urban gardens can make a big impact, and why gardens should evoke emotion rather than just tick design boxes. With his signature blend of insight, humour, and deep expertise, Peter offers a fresh perspective on what it really means to create meaningful green spaces.Don't miss Peter Donegan as he presents the APL (Association of Professional Landscapers) Awards on Friday 14th March at The Brewery, London.Tune in for an inspiring episode filled with passion, creativity, and a little bit of rock and roll in garden design!Peter Donegan: https://doneganlandscaping.comMelbourne Garden: https://doneganlandscaping.com/blog/2024/03/24/peoples-choice-award-melbourne-international-flower-and-garden-show-2024/French Garden: https://doneganlandscaping.com/blog/2022/06/28/inauguration-chateau-de-peronne-jardin-philophrosyne/Laburnocytisus 'Adamii': https://www.suttons.co.uk/laburnocytisus-adamii_MH12152Your hosts:Phil Wright: ⁠⁠http://wrightobara.com⁠⁠Kate Turner: ⁠⁠http://www.gardenerguru.co.uk

In this episode of The Underground, Phil & Kate continue their deep dive into the role of green spaces in our built environment. They sit down with Neil Beamsley, Group Head of Biodiversity at Bellway Homes, to uncover how one of the UK's major housebuilders is tackling biodiversity net gain. Neil shares insights on the legal requirements for developers to improve biodiversity, the challenges of balancing nature with new homes, and why small changes—like hedgehog highways and native planting—can make a huge impact.Later in the episode, garden writer and wildlife champion Debi Holland joins the conversation to discuss how homeowners can transform new build gardens into biodiversity hotspots. From embracing No Mow May to creating habitat-rich hedges, Debi shares practical advice for making green spaces work for both people and wildlife.If you've ever wondered whether new housing estates can be a force for good in the natural world, this episode will challenge your perspective and offer inspiring ways to make a difference—one garden at a time. Bellway Homes: www.bellway.co.uk Plantlife: www.plantlife.org.uk Debi Holland: debihollandgardening.com Your hosts: Phil Wright: ⁠⁠http://wrightobara.com⁠⁠ Kate Turner: ⁠⁠http://www.gardenerguru.co.uk

In this episode of The Underground Podcast, Phil and Kate dive into the often-overlooked green spaces that weave through our urban environments—verges, car park borders, roundabouts, and other ‘in-between' spaces. These utilitarian landscapes may seem insignificant, but as horticultural consultant and garden designer Tom Angel explains, they have an enormous role to play in biodiversity, social wellbeing, and urban resilience.Tom brings his unique perspective, shaped by his background in geography, landscape contracting, and garden design, to highlight how these neglected areas could be transformed into thriving green assets. He shares fascinating insights into the challenges faced by the grounds maintenance industry, the missed opportunities in urban green infrastructure, and the urgent need to bridge the gap between landscape architects, property managers, and contractors. From mulching and maintenance to the power of perception and policy, this conversation will change the way you look at the spaces around you.Tune in to discover why the green patches outside your local supermarket might just be the most important landscapes of all. Tom Angel: https://www.tomangel.co.uk/ Your hosts: Phil Wright: ⁠⁠http://wrightobara.com ⁠⁠Kate Turner: ⁠⁠http://www.gardenerguru.co.uk

In this episode of The Underground Podcast, Phil and Kate are joined by Peter Burks, CEO of the Garden Centre Association (GCA), to dig into the evolving landscape of garden centres. With over 40 years in the industry, Peter shares his fascinating journey from growing up on a farm to leading the GCA, offering insights into how garden centres have adapted to challenges and consumer trends. They explore the shift to peat-free compost, the rise of garden centre cafés and farm shops, and the crucial role of education and industry collaboration in keeping garden retail thriving. Plus, Peter reveals his favourite plants, gardening habits, and the best garden centre treats (spoiler: he's a mince pie connoisseur!). This episode is packed with knowledge, inspiration, insight and character, a must listen for anyone working with garden centres. Garden Centre Association: https://gca.org.uk Your hosts: Phil Wright: ⁠http://wrightobara.com⁠ Kate Turner: ⁠http://www.gardenerguru.co.uk

In this episode of The Underground Podcast, Phil and Kate sit down with Ed Hill, founder of Horti House, a groundbreaking collective of British houseplant nurseries. From his unconventional journey—from professional sailing to working in tech start-ups—Ed shares how his diverse background equipped him to champion British growers and reshape the houseplant industry.Discover how Horti House is bridging the gap between nurseries and retailers, solving logistical challenges, and advocating for sustainability with initiatives like peat-free growing and biomass heating. Ed explains the importance of collaboration in an industry often seen as traditional and highlights how innovation can enhance the value of British-grown houseplants. Whether you're an avid gardener or simply plant-curious, this conversation offers unique insights into the future of horticulture and the role of green spaces in our lives. The Horti House: https://www.thehortihouse.co.ukDouble H Nurseries: http://Doubleh.co.uk/ Your hosts: Phil Wright: ⁠http://wrightobara.com⁠ Kate Turner: ⁠http://www.gardenerguru.co.uk

In this captivating episode of The Underground Podcast, Phil and Kate sit down with Samantha Cook, head gardener at the historic Bardney Manor. But there's more to Sam than meets the eye—she's not only the visionary behind the garden's restoration but also the custodian of an extraordinary legacy.Sam shares her journey from a childhood immersed in horticulture to becoming a Lady of the Manor and a champion of seed preservation. Discover the fascinating history of Bardney Manor, once home to renowned 18th-century seedsman John Sharp, and how Sam has woven his pioneering spirit into her modern-day restoration efforts. From transforming a neglected garden into a public treasure to championing educational initiatives for future generations, Sam's story is one of passion, heritage, and inspiration.Tune in for a delightful virtual tour of the garden, tips on seed saving, and Sam's reflections on the deep connections between horticulture, history, and community. This is an episode that celebrates the magic of gardens and the people who bring them to life. https://www.bardneymanorwalledgarden.comhttps://www.instagram.com/ladyb_gardening_tales/https://hardy-plant.org.ukhttps://www.gardenmediaguild.co.uk Your hosts: Phil Wright: ⁠http://wrightobara.com⁠ Kate Turner: ⁠http://www.gardenerguru.co.uk

In this episode of The Underground, Phil and Kate sit down with Tony Clare, the Commercial Director of Henry Bell, a premium manufacturer of wild bird food and care products. With over 200 years of history, Henry Bell is leveraging its legacy and expertise to bring innovation and sustainability to a rapidly evolving market. Tony shares the company's journey from manufacturing for other brands to launching its own. He discusses the growing importance of bird feeding for biodiversity, how garden centres can maximise their offerings with dedicated spaces and education, and why sustainable practices, like 100% recyclable packaging and environmentally friendly feed options, are key to the company's ethos. From insights on seasonal feeding trends to the surprising role of Calciworms in bird nutrition, this episode is packed with practical takeaways for garden centres looking to grow their customer base and support wildlife. Henry Bell: https://www.henrybell.co.uk/ Your hosts: Phil Wright: ⁠http://wrightobara.com⁠ Kate Turner: ⁠http://www.gardenerguru.co.uk

In this episode, Kate and Phil chat with Dan Durston, National Sales Director of Durston Garden Products, and Simon Blackhurst, a consultant working on Durston's groundbreaking peat-free compost range. Join the conversation as Dan delves into the rich history of this Somerset-based family business, from humble beginnings to its modern, innovative approach to sustainable horticulture. Simon shares his expertise on the challenges and triumphs of creating high-performing, peat-free growing media, shedding light on the science behind the transformation. The duo discusses the importance of education, the myths surrounding peat-free compost, and what it takes for the industry—and gardeners—to embrace sustainability. Durston Garden Products: https://durstongardenproducts.co.uk/Simon Blackhurst: https://www.sjbqc.com/ Your hosts: Phil Wright: ⁠http://wrightobara.com⁠ Kate Turner: ⁠http://www.gardenerguru.co.uk

In this episode of The Underground, Phil and Kate sit down with Nigel Thompson, Sales and Marketing Director at Sipcam, to uncover the story behind this innovative and agile challenger brand in the garden industry. From its agricultural roots to the development of standout consumer gardening products, Sipcam is proving that being smaller doesn't mean thinking small.  Nigel shares insights into the brand's unique culture, which fosters creativity and collaboration, and discusses how Sipcam's eco-friendly innovations, like the award-winning Slug Stoppa, are setting new standards. Discover Nigel's thoughts on being a disruptor, winning the GIMA Sword of Excellence for a second consecutive year, and why Sipcam is a company to watch in 2025 and beyond. Sipcam: http://sipcamhg.co.uk Your hosts: Phil Wright: ⁠http://wrightobara.com⁠ Kate Turner: ⁠http://www.gardenerguru.co.uk

In this inspiring episode of The Underground, Phil and Kate are joined by Ross Dyke from The Plant Pod and Lee Connelly, aka The Skinny Jean Gardener, to discuss the power of horticulture in early years education. Ross shares the journey behind his “Get Children Growing” initiative, a creative programme designed to introduce primary school children to gardening with sustainable sunflower grow kits. From engaging hands-on activities to educational materials, the initiative aims to spark a lifelong love of gardening while teaching vital lessons in sustainability and responsibility.Lee adds his perspective on the importance of building connections between children, parents, and nature. As a long-time advocate for incorporating gardening into schools, Lee highlights the need to make gardening accessible, affordable, and part of everyday life. Together, they explore how gardening can bridge gaps in education, foster creativity, and even address global challenges like food security. Don't miss this passionate conversation that sows the seeds for the future of horticulture! Get Children Growing Campaign: https://theplantpod.co.uk/get-children-growing Ross Dyke: www.theplantpod.co.uk Lee Connelly (The Skinny Jean Gardener): www.skinnyjeangardener.co.uk Your hosts: Phil Wright: ⁠http://wrightobara.com⁠ Kate Turner: ⁠http://www.gardenerguru.co.uk

In the first episode of Season 3 of The Underground Podcast, hosts Kate and Phil return with a focus on the thriving Grow Your Own movement. Kicking off with Ade Sellers, known as The Good Life Gardener, the conversation explores how sustainable gardening is empowering communities, particularly in urban areas. Ade shares practical tips and insights on how garden care businesses can cater to beginner gardeners, highlighting the importance of accessibility and education. With his passion for sustainability and community, Ade paints a compelling picture of how gardening can improve mental health, foster connections, and promote a greener future.The episode also features David Hinckley, founder of Grow Mad, who dives into the role of technology and innovation in making gardening more inclusive. From modular garden kits to digital platforms fostering community engagement, David illustrates how garden care businesses can leverage these tools to meet the rising demand for small-space gardening solutions. With a shared emphasis on accessibility and storytelling, both guests offer actionable insights for professionals looking to adapt to this growing market. This episode is a must-listen for anyone in the garden care sector seeking to stay ahead of trends and connect with a new generation of gardeners. Ade Sellers, The Good Life Gardener: https://www.adesellars.com https://uk.linkedin.com/in/ade-sellars-7429ba42 https://www.instagram.com/adesellars/ David Hinckley, Grow Mad: http://growmad.co.uk/ https://www.instagram.com/grow_mad/ Your hosts: Phil Wright: http://wrightobara.com Kate Turner: http://www.gardenerguru.co.uk

In this final episode of The Underground at Glee 2024 interview series, we welcome Alan Down, former President of the Horticultural Trades Association (HTA), and Terri Jones, co-founder of Joy of Plants. Down shares stories from his long career, his commitment to peat-free growing, and his efforts to highlight horticulture's role in environmental solutions. Jones, with a background in technology, explains how she combines her passion for plants with digital tools, creating plant guides and services that cater to both garden centres and novice gardeners.The episode covers the potential for innovation in horticulture, the importance of nurturing new gardeners, and the industry's shift towards digital transformation. Both guests explore how horticulture can adapt to meet consumer needs while remaining rooted in sustainability and tradition. HTA: https://hta.org.uk/ Joy of Plants: https://joyofplants.com/ Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.gardenerguru.co.uk⁠⁠⁠⁠ Phil Wright: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.wrightobara.com

In this episode Kate and Phil sit down with Steve Harper from Southern Trident and Matt Bryant from Harvest Pet Products. Harper discusses the benefits of coir, a sustainable alternative to peat, and shares updates on Southern Trident's award-winning products. Bryant talks about Harvest's journey from a family pet shop to a major wild bird food supplier and their focus on supporting biodiversity in British gardens. Both guests delve into the environmental challenges and opportunities within their industries. Harper offers insights into sourcing coir responsibly and reducing carbon footprints, while Bryant highlights Harvest's commitment to wild bird welfare and their recent initiatives to engage consumers with eco-friendly bird care. Southern Trident: https://southerntrident.com/ Harvest Pet Products: https://www.harvestpetproducts.com/https://www.harvestpetproducts.com/ Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.gardenerguru.co.uk⁠⁠⁠ Phil Wright: ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.wrightobara.com

Data analytics isn't always the first thing that springs to mind when you're considering the Garden Sector, but getting your head around the numbers can give your business a significant advantage. Continuing our special episodes recorded live at Glee, we talk with two people who are all about the numbers: Anthony Creaby, Customer Success Manager from GfK and David Denny, Director of Research & Insights from the HTA. GfK: https://nielseniq.com/global/en/ HTA: https://hta.org.uk/ Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.gardenerguru.co.uk⁠⁠⁠ Phil Wright: ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.wrightobara.com

Continuing the conversations we recorded live at Glee 2024, this episode highlights among other things the fantastic work of the Young People in Horticulture Association (YPHA). Nat Boynton is one of the founders of the YPHA as well as being the Sales Director of Happy Plants, while Jess Dabell is the Brand Manager for Meadow View Stone, she's also a member of the YPHA and an ambassador for the Greenfingers Charity. YPHA: https://www.ypha.org.uk/ Happy Plants: https://happyplants.co.uk/ Meadow View Stone: https://meadowviewstone.co.uk/ Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: ⁠⁠⁠www.gardenerguru.co.uk⁠⁠ Phil Wright: ⁠⁠⁠www.wrightobara.com

In this bumper episode we chat with representatives from three very different manufacturing businesses, but all of whom play a pivotal role within the garden sector. Edd Cantle is a Channel Sales Manager at Gardena, suppliers of watering equipment and other garden tools. Jenny Douthwaite is the Managing Director of Primeur, a company that uses recycled rubber to create a multitude of garden products. And Scott Gammon is the General Manager at Pelsis, specialists in pest control. Gardena: https://www.gardena.com/uk Primeur: https://www.primeur.co.uk/ Pelsis: https://www.pelsis.com/ Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: ⁠⁠www.gardenerguru.co.uk⁠ Phil Wright: ⁠⁠www.wrightobara.com

This episode features two very different companies, but both of which might not immediately come to mind when you think of the garden sector: eBay and Shark Ninja. Simon Mayhew from eBay discusses how the online platform can be a valuable channel in your sales arsenal. And Seb Bartlett from Shark Ninja discusses the meteoric rise of the brand and how they're developing outdoor and leisure products with the UK market in mind. eBay: https://www.ebayinc.com/company/ Shark Ninja: https://sharkninja.com/ Discover more about our hosts:Kate Turner: ⁠www.gardenerguru.co.ukPhil Wright: ⁠www.wrightobara.com

In this bumper edition of the podcast we talk with three female leaders who's brands have distinctive, but equally captivating stories: Rachel Eunson is the founder of the Feverfew Garden Company specialising in workwear specifically designed for women. Jennifer Susan is the founder and inventor of Halliesphere, a beautifully crafted aid for flower arranging. And Shona Young is the CEO of Nutscene Twine, at the helm of a company with a long history, but that still embraces the traditional manufacturing methods from its past. Feverfew Garden Co: ⁠https://feverfewgarden.co.uk/ Halliesphere: ⁠https://www.halliesphere.com/ Nutscene: https://nutscene.com/ Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: ⁠⁠www.gardenerguru.co.uk⁠ Phil Wright: ⁠⁠www.wrightobara

In this episode we have two conversations, both passionate about sustainability, biodiversity and great growing results. Chris Holgreaves from Urban Wyrm has won the support of No-Dig Guru, Charles Dowding for their new range of compost enriched with worm casts. Kim O'Brien AKA Dahliafarmerama is a garden designer, but has won fame online as a specialist grower of dahlias.  Urban Wyrm: ⁠https://www.urbanwyrm.co.uk/ Kim O'Brien: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/dahliafarmerama/ Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: ⁠⁠www.gardenerguru.co.uk⁠ Phil Wright: ⁠⁠www.wrightobara

In the second of our special episodes recorded live at Glee 2024, we're joined by two passionate guests: Adam Taylor from Taylors Bulbs and Jayne Hickling, The Allotment Cook. Adam shares insights into welcoming and inspiring new gardeners, while Jayne talks about her deep love for cooking with the homegrown produce from her allotment. Taylors Bulbs: http://gleebirmingham.com Jayne Hickling: https://www.theallotmentcook.co.uk Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: ⁠www.gardenerguru.co.uk Phil Wright: ⁠www.wrightobara.com

In this first of our special episodes recorded live at Glee 2024, we spoke with three people who help mould the Glee experience: Michael Perry, AKA Mr Plant Geek, who curated the future plants stand at Glee, Matt Mein the Glee Show Director and Linda Petrons the Director of Fundraising at Greenfingers Charity, responsible for putting the fun into fundraising at Glee. Glee: http://gleebirmingham.com Michael Perry: https://mrplantgeek.com Greenfingers Charity: http://greenfingerscharity.org.uk Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: www.gardenerguru.co.uk Phil Wright: www.wrightobara.com

In this episode we catch up with the Talent Store finalists: Annie Gundry, Catrin Elin Jones, Steve Chase and Lucia Hopcraft. The Glee Talent Store, run in conjunction with The Garden Centre Association, is a fantastic competition that inspires new people working in garden retail to create stunning, clever and commercial retail displays. The programme involves masterclasses and mentoring from some of the biggest names in the industry.  Glee Talent Store: https://www.gleebirmingham.com/talent-store Official Podcast Partner of Glee 2024: https://www.gleebirmingham.com/undergroundpodcast Want to earn a place as a guest on the show? You can find all the details here: Glee Teams Up with The Underground for Exclusive Gardening Podcasts (gleebirmingham.com)

Trevor Pfeiffer is a busy man, among his roles he's the Editor and Director of Garden Trade News and works with the team at Glee to put on the New Product Awards at Glee. We caught up with Trevor to find out more about his background and learn more about what makes the New Product Awards so special. This year you will be able to watch all of the companies who are pitching their products and answering questions from the judging panels - if you get the chance, make time to pop along. Glee New Product Awards: https://www.gleebirmingham.com/new-product-awards Garden Trade News: https://tgcmc.newsweaver.co.uk/gtnxtra/1x4y170ucfd Want to earn a place as a guest on the show? You can find all the details here: Glee Teams Up with The Underground for Exclusive Gardening Podcasts (gleebirmingham.com) Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: www.gardenerguru.co.uk Phil Wright: www.wrightobara.com

Paul North is the Managing Director of AMES; this week, in the second of our special Glee focussed episodes, he sits down with Phil and Kate to discuss the company's plans for the show this year. AMES are an ambitious player in the garden sector, brimming with confidence in their brands and extensive product line ups. AMES: https://ames-uk.com Want to earn a place as a guest on the show? You can find all the details here: Glee Teams Up with The Underground for Exclusive Gardening Podcasts (gleebirmingham.com)

The Underground is proud to be the official podcast partner of Glee 2024. This, the first of our special Glee focussed episodes, has been many months in the making. We've been busy asking all our guests for their best Glee survival tips. You'll discover some great advice from people who really know how to make the most from a visit to the show.Want to earn a place as a guest on the show? You can find all the details here: Glee Teams Up with The Underground for Exclusive Gardening Podcasts (gleebirmingham.com) With special thanks to all our contributors: Alan Roper - Blue Diamond Boyd Douglas-Davies - The Boyd Partnership Debi Holland Elaine Gotts - Levington Research Station Ellen Mary Webster Fran Barnes - HTA Guy Jenkins - DLF Seeds Jane Hartley - Evergreen Garden Care Jane Lawler Kate Ebbens - Capi Europe Kimberley Hornby-George - Hornby George PR Linda Petrons - Greenfingers Charity Matthew Mein - Glee Megan Warren-Davis - YPHA Michael Perry - AKA Mr Plant Geek Simon Taylor - Empathy Steve Harper - Responsible Sourcing Scheme & Southern Trident Toby Thomas - RocketGro Vicky Nuttall - GIMA Will Scott - Heart of Eden Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: www.gardenerguru.co.uk Phil Wright: www.wrightobara.com

Will Scott is a team leader for Heart of Eden, who produce a range of peat-free composts and barks in the Eden Valley, Cumbria. We discuss the uniqueness of the garden sector and how the industry needs to adapt to entrenched attitudes, climate change and the political landscape. We also chat about more positive things too! Heart of Eden: https://heartofeden.co.uk AHS: https://www.ahs-ltd.co.uk Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: www.gardenerguru.co.uk Phil Wright: www.wrightobara.com

From filmmaker to scuba diving instructor, graphic designer to athletics webmaster, Debi Holland has taken a unique path to where she finds herself now: a gardener, garden writer, photographer and content creator. In this episode we discuss Debi's passion for learning and desire to share her wealth of knowledge with a flourishing community of gardeners. Debi Holland: https://www.debihollandgardening.com Garden News magazine: https://www.gardennewsmagazine.co.uk Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: www.gardenerguru.co.uk Phil Wright: www.wrightobara.com

Our guest this week started her horticultural career literally as a scientist in the fields. From there she moved into the world of horticultural marketing, but never lost her scientific roots. We discuss Jane's analytical approach to marketing along with her role at the HTA as well as the numerous other industry activities she gets involved in - she's a busy lady! Lawler Associates: www.lawlerassociates.co.uk HTA: https://hta.org.uk YPHA: https://www.ypha.org.uk Greenfingers Charity: https://www.greenfingerscharity.org.uk GIMA: https://gima.org.uk Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: www.gardenerguru.co.uk Phil Wright: www.wrightobara.com

Kimberley Hornby-George is the founder of Hornby George PR an agency specialising in the garden, home, leisure, and lifestyle sectors. We discuss the role of PR and how it integrates into a company's marketing strategy. We talk about how to get the most from your PR efforts and also take a look at the future of PR. Hornby George PR: https://hornbygeorgepr.com Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: www.gardenerguru.co.uk Phil Wright: www.wrightobara.com

Author, broadcaster and nature therapist, Ellen Mary joins us this week, In a wide-ranging conversation, Ellen Mary shares her thoughts on how gardening and being in touch with nature provides immense benefits for physical and mental health. We discuss forest bathing, veganic gardening and agree that she to join us as a special guest host on the podcast providing we can secure a special guest! Find out more about Ellen Mary: http://ellenmarygardening.co.uk/ https://www.peopleplantswellbeing.com https://www.ethica-content.com The Plant Based Podcast:  https://theplantbasedpodcast.net The Plant Based Podcast episode's mentioned in this espisode: Dr Neil Bell talks about moss:  https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-plant-based-podcast-s11-e06-discover-the-hidden/id1451392483?i=1000615616148 Chris Packham part 1:  https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/s3-e13-part-1-chatting-with-wildlife-hero-chris-packham/id1451392483?i=1000489534362 Chris Packham part 2:  https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/s3-e13-part-2-talking-plant-life-with-chris-packham/id1451392483?i=1000490227884 Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: www.gardenerguru.co.uk Phil Wright: www.wrightobara.com

This week we're reflecting on what an amazing start we've had to our podcast journey. We're so grateful to all our wonderful guests, for their generosity in time, insight and good humour. Here's a selection of some of our favourite bits to give you a flavour of what The Underground is all about. Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: www.gardenerguru.co.uk Phil Wright: www.wrightobara.com Thank you to all our featured guests: Fran Barnes, HTA Toby Thomas, RocketGro Jane Hartley, Evergreen Garden Care Vicky Nuttal, GIMA Boyd Douglas Davies,Boyd Partnership Michael Perry, Mr Plant Geek Lee Connelly, The Skinny Jean Gardener Scott H Smith, the former head gardener at BBCs Beechgrove Garden Sally Nex, Peat Free Partnership Megan Warren-Davis, YPHA and Forest Interior Alan Roper, Blue Diamond Garden Centres Elaine Gotts, Levington Research Station Guy Jenkins, DLF Seeds, Johnsons Lawn Seeds Steve Harper, Responsible Sourcing Scheme, Southern Trident Charlotte Howard, Capability Charlotte Linda Petrons, Greenfingers Charity Kate Ebbens, Capi-Europe Matt Mein, Hyve, Glee

This week we were fortunate enough to have been invited along to the press preview of Gardeners World Live at the NEC. We took in the show gardens and spoke to the designers as well as some journalists, horticulturalists and influencers also enjoying the show. https://www.bbcgardenersworldlive.com Thanks to all those who we managed to talk to including, Kevin Smith, Ade Sellers, Jayne Hickling, Jonny Hicks, Sarah Sanderson and Adam Frost. Head over to our socials to find out more about each of our guests! Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: www.gardenerguru.co.ukPhil Wright: www.wrightobara.com

Sally Nex is a horticulturalist, journalist and environmental campaigner with the Peat-free Partnership, we caught up with her to learn more about the mission of this organisation. Despite the widely recognised environmental damage caused by the use of peat in horticulture, the trade in peat is still ongoing. The Peat-Free Partnership brings together the RHS, the Wildlife Trusts, the RSPB, the National Trust, Garden Organic, Plantlife and many others forming a broad coalition to persuade the industry to adopt peat alternatives. Peat-free Partnership: https://peatfreepartnership.org.uk Plantlife: https://www.plantlife.org.uk Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: www.gardenerguru.co.ukPhil Wright: www.wrightobara.com

A good lawn is a staple for most gardens, but have you ever considered the R&D that goes into creating the latest generation of lawn seed? Guy Jenkins has been working with DLF seeds, the company behind Johnsons lawn seed, for 28 years, so he knows a thing or two about what goes into the perfect lawn. DLF supply grass seeds for a host of prestigious sports pitches, and it's this know-how that's distilled into their consumer products. Johnsons Lawn Seed: http://johnsonslawnseed.com DLF Seeds: https://www.dlf.co.uk GIMA: http://gima.org.uk Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: www.gardenerguru.co.uk Phil Wright: www.wrightobara.com

The Responsible Sourcing Scheme has been developed to assess the impact of each raw material ingredient that goes into a bag of Peat Free compost. We caught up with Steve Harper, the chairman of the RSS and also CEO of Southern Trident, to understand the scope of the RSS, how it works, and what difference it will make to retailers and consumers. We also discuss the environmental impact of one of the more contentious ingredients too. Responsible Sourcing Scheme:  https://www.responsiblesourcing.org.uk Southern Trident:  https://southerntrident.com Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: www.gardenerguru.co.uk Phil Wright: www.wrightobara.com

Scott Smith is a trained horticulturist and has been consistently recognised by HortWeek as one of the nation's Top Head Gardeners since 2022. Until recently Scott was the Head Gardener and presenter on Beechgrove Garden for the BBC. He's also an advocate for mental health awareness within the industry. Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: www.gardenerguru.co.uk Phil Wright: www.wrightobara.com

Elaine Gotts has been researching alternative growing-media ingredients for over 20 years. To say that she's an expert in the subject would be an understatement. That's why we were intrigued to discover more about the science behind the latest generation of peat-free composts. Levington Research Station:  https://www.lovethegarden.com/uk-en/article/evergreen-research-station-where-miracles-are-born Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: www.gardenerguru.co.ukPhil Wright: www.wrightobara.com

Boyd Douglas-Davies needs little introduction, previously the CEO of Hillview Garden Centres, a Director at British Garden Centres and a past President of the HTA, he now runs his own consulting business The Boyd Partnership, while also being an Ambassador for the YPHA and Greenfingers Charity. We caught up with Boyd to discuss the challenges and opportunities for Garden Centres and so much more! The Boyd Partnership: http://theboydpartnership.co.uk YPHA: http://ypha.org.uk/ Greenfingers Charity: http://greenfingerscharity.org.uk/ Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: www.gardenerguru.co.uk Phil Wright: www.wrightobara.com

On this week's episode we sit down with Fran Barnes, the CEO of the HTA to discuss the role and importance of the association. We discuss challenges, opportunities and the government's attitude towards the horticultural industry. HTA: https://hta.org.uk Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: www.gardenerguru.co.uk Phil Wright: www.wrightobara.com

Alan Roper is a renowned charismatic leader within the garden centre sector. This week he joins us to share his thoughts on building a successful business, the challenges faced and opportunities available. He tells us about the factors that he believes are destroying viable garden centre businesses and his vision for the future of the industry. Unfortunately the audio quality in this episode isn't  up to our usual standard, however we believe the quality of discussion more than makes up for a lack of audio fidelity. Blue Diamond: https://www.bluediamond.gg Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: www.gardenerguru.co.uk Phil Wright: www.wrightobara.com

Megan is the social media manager for the YPHA (Young People in Horticulture Association), she's a digital marketing assistant for a commercial grower as well as running her own business Forest Interior as a freelance-content producer. In short she's a person in demand. And having spoken with her, it's easy to see why. Megan's innate passion and inquisitiveness for plants (especially house plants) is incredibly inspiring. Megan Warren-Davis: https://forestinterior.co.uk YPHA: https://www.ypha.org.uk Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: www.gardenerguru.co.uk Phil Wright: www.wrightobara.com

Glee is celebrating its 50th anniversary this year and we get a glimpse behind the scenes to understand what goes into putting on the exhibition with event director Matthew Mein. We gain an insight into the innovations coming in 2024 and the importance Glee has within the garden sector calendar as well as understanding the show's decision to move the event back to September. Glee: https://www.gleebirmingham.com Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: www.gardenerguru.co.uk Phil Wright: www.wrightobara.com

Kate Ebbens is the UK representative for Capi Europe, a manufacturer of garden products that has gone to great lengths to ensure they are as sustainable and environmentally friendly as possible. Kate is also the Vice President of GIMA and an ambassador for the Greenfingers Charity. We caught up with Kate to discuss her thoughts on the sector and discover more about the incredible challenge she's taken on to raise money for Greenfingers. Kate's Just Giving page: https://www.justgiving.com/page/kate-ebbens-1701443565987 Capi Europe: https://www.capi-europe.com/en/ GIMA: https://gima.org.uk Greenfingers Charity: https://www.greenfingerscharity.org.uk Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: www.gardenerguru.co.uk Phil Wright: www.wrightobara.com

For over 450 million years mycorrhizal fungi have lived in a symbiotic relationship with plants developing a lifelong bond of mutual benefit. Science is only now identifying the secrets of these relationships and discovering how they can be harnessed to naturally improve plant health, encouraging them to thrive. On this week's show we chat with Simon Taylor, the business development director at Plantworks, the company behind Rootgrow, and discuss the future of plant food. Empathy / Rootgrow: https://rootgrow.co.uk Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: www.gardenerguru.co.uk Phil Wright: www.wrightobara.com

We're delighted this week to have caught up with Jane Hartley, Brand Portfolio Manager, Growing Categories at Evergreen Garden Care. She shares her insights into the sustainability journey that Evergreen Garden Care has been on, as well as her passion and enthusiasm for the industry. Evergreen Garden Care: www.lovethegarden.com Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: www.gardenerguru.co.uk Phil Wright: www.wrightobara.com

Toby Thomas, the Co-Founder and Managing Director of RocketGro joins us this week to share the origins story of the RocketGro brand. We get a glimpse behind the scenes of the company and hear of the industry challenges faced by new entrants and established businesses alike. We also learn what on earth digestate is, how it's produced and how it's being used as a peat alternative. RocketGro: www.rocketgro.co.uk Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: www.gardenerguru.co.uk Phil Wright: www.wrightobara.com

This week we caught up with possibly the busiest man in horticulture, Michael Perry AKA Mr Plant Geek to get his thoughts on a range of subjects.  With years of experience and a perspective that spans across the industry we quiz Michael over gardening tips for renters, how to help new homeowners get started in the garden and what can be done to attract new gardeners into the sector. Michael Perry: http://mrplantgeek.com/ Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: www.gardenerguru.co.uk Phil Wright: www.wrightobara.com

The Greenfingers Charity does amazing work emotionally supporting life-limited children, their families and carers through beautiful outdoor spaces within children's hospices.We caught up with the lovely Linda Petrons, director of fundraising and communications at Greenfingers, to hear more about the incredible work the charity does. We also discover how businesses and in particular the garden sector have got behind the charity to support the invaluable work they do. Greenfingers Charity: www.greenfingerscharity.org.uk Garden Re-Leaf Day 15th March 2024: www.greenfingerscharity.org.uk/activities/29/garden-re-leaf-day-2024 Discover more about our hosts: Kate Turner: www.gardenerguru.co.uk Phil Wright: www.wrightobara.com