Podcast appearances and mentions of barry blaustein

Beyond the Mat is a movie that appears NOWHERE in the 1999 box office charts, mainly because it only screened once in 1999 in Los Angeles on October 22, thanks in no small part to Vince McMahon fuckery (though it did get a limited release in March of 2000). Beyond the Mat was directed by Barry Blaustein, an accomplished comedy screenwriter, and it features the real-life stories of wrestling legends Terry Funk, Mick Foley, and Jake the Snake Roberts, Though it wasn't a commercial hit, it received a mostly favorable critical response, and has gone on to become a beloved documentary, especially among wrestling fans. Joining John and Julia to discuss it is Ross Benes, author of the upcoming book 1999: The Year Low Culture Conquered America and Kickstarted our Bizarre Times. His book will be available everywhere in April. You can learn more about Ross and his work on his website: www.rossbenes.com

This week we're back with the popular Roundtable episode of the program. In this version we invited Ashley Bower and Deremy Dove to share their ballots with host Thomas Sena. Enjoy and don't forget to vote! https://forms.gle/ECAVQbPBE6r3krpS6Transcript:Track 2:[0:42] Yes, hello, welcome to the SNL Hall of Fame podcast.Track 2:[0:45] I'm your master of ceremonies, your co-host for today's proceedings, Thomas Senna. Everybody, welcome. I think I would be remiss, and I think I need to do, Jamie, do a solid here, because it's very important to Jamie for me to tell you to wipe your feet before you enter the SNL Hall of Fame. I think Jamie would fire me from this post if I didn't tell you guys that. So welcome to the SNL Hall of Fame. Today is our customary end of season extravaganza. It's the SNL Hall of Fame Roundtable. This is the show in which we invite SNL Hall of Fame voters to share their ballots and their thought processes behind their choices. So this is always an interesting exercise to get into the psyche of some of the voters.Track 2:[1:40] Previous roundtables, I think minds have been changed. I think people have stood on islands and been steadfast on who they're voting for. It was interesting to see. I think we all just gained a great insight as to what voters may be thinking. Friendships were formed. I think rivalries were formed. So we've had some interesting roundtables in the past. It's always nice to get a peek into the mindset of SNL Hall of Fame voters. So with me today is two of my guests for this past season on the SNL Hall of Fame podcast.Track 2:[2:16] One first-time roundtable panelist, which is going to be fun. I'm excited to hear her thoughts today.Track 2:[2:24] So we have two panelists, and for full disclosure, for transparency here on the SNL Hall of Fame podcast, I will be sharing my ballot as well. So it's going to be the three of us sharing ballots today. So I'm not just like the co-host here on the SNL Hall of Fame. I am a panelist today, and I will give some transparency and let you all know my ballot and how I'm feeling about the voting cycle, about the votes this year. So without further ado, let me introduce our panel for today. And I have an icebreaker question, too. So I'm going to introduce them. My icebreaker question, I asked this last panel, last roundtable, and got some interesting responses. I haven't asked these to this question. I don't think. So...Track 2:[3:15] I want to ask which current cast member, not including Kenan Thompson, because that's the obvious one. Kenan's an SNL Hall of Famer. So not including Kenan Thompson, who on the current cast could you see in the SNL Hall of Fame someday? So that's going to be the little icebreaker question. Get a little peek into the mindset of our panel today. So my first guest, Ashley Bauer, SNL super fan. My guest for Kate McKinnon this year. Ashley did such a great job. And Ashley, thank you so much for joining us today here on the roundtable. How are you? Good. Good to see and talk to you again. Excited to be back. Yeah, this is great. So which current cast member, not including Kenan, that's the obvious one, could you see in the SNL Hall of Fame someday?Track 2:[4:03] So I thought about this and I went back and forth between two, but I think my vote's going to ultimately go to Bowen Yang. I'm going to have to give it to Bowen. And I think he kind of came out of the gate, you know, really with a bang. And he's really been in some pretty epic and memorable sketches already. And I kind of think he's a jack of all trades. And it's rare that he's in something I'm not dying of laughter in. So, yeah, I'm going to go with Bowen. Bowen's like Mr. Charisma. He really is. I love the iceberg weekend update sketch that he did. That was a really great performance. It's like one of the most memorable things that I can think of that Bowen's done. He's just a very likable person, a lot of charisma. Bowen Yang, Ashley could see in the SNL Hall of Fame someday. That's awesome. All right, so also with us is my partner in crime on the Pop Culture 5 podcast. He also is co-host of the Bigger Than the Game podcast. He's just podcasting all over the place.Track 2:[5:07] He's everywhere. And he was my guest for Tracy Morgan. this season on the SNL Hall of Fame. So I'm welcoming Mr. Deremy Dove to the proceedings. Deremy, how are you? I'm good, man. Always a pleasure to talk SNL and SNL Hall of Fame with you guys. So I'm honored to be on. Yeah, you're one of our go-to guests for the SNL Hall of Fame. Your insights are always so great. So welcome. You've been on for Dick Ebersole. You were on for Adam McKay and this year for Tracy Morgan, which was an interesting one. I think we did Tracy Justice with kind of a more loose sort of format I think Tracy would have wanted it that way I agree I agree absolutely yeah that was fun so who on the current cast not including Keenan could you see in the SNL Hall of Fame uh like like Ashley said it was there's a few who I was going back and forth with but I I went with James Austin Johnson um as my pick I think he um.Track 2:[6:02] He really brings, I love the impressions he does, and he kind of fits that mold of like what I think of. I think of just like what you need to make a great SNL cast member. He has that design. I feel I get like some Daryl Hammond kind of feels from him. I just really love what James Austin Johnson can bring to the table. And I see him. I don't know if he's going to be like the big star, but he's that person when we have rankings in a few years. It's going to be like, we'll be surprised. We'll be like, oh, James Austin Johnson, he's a Hall of Famer. He's a top whatever cast member of all time. So he's who I pick as like that future Hall of Famer for the current cast. I could see that.Track 2:[6:44] He's not just, so he started obviously with his Trump and Biden impressions. And I think he got hired on the strength of that. But he's not just an impressionist. I think he's filling out a lot of important kind of glue guy types of roles. He's kind of branching out and not just being an impressionist. Right, right. Yeah, he plays the dad role really well, kind of the everyday. Because I could see maybe a little bit of Phil Hartman in him, too. Yeah, it's big. In that ways. I mean, Phil's personally one of my top three cast members of all time. So I don't think James is on that tier. But I think there's elements of Phil Hartman that I can see in James. Yeah, I think he's a glue, like you said, a glue guy. And I and I feel like especially those if you're listening to the show or you vote for the SNL Hall of Fame, you're probably a big fan. We all know how important the glue people are to an SNL cast. And I think he fits that role very well. Yeah. What do you think, Ashley? James Austin Johnson's trajectory?Track 2:[7:42] I had to laugh because that was actually who I went between. I was going between whether or not I wanted to vote for Bowen Yang or James Austin Johnson. So I am right there with you, Deremy. I agree. I think he's so versatile. You're right. He definitely evokes some of the greats in the past. He has that, Tom, you said charisma for Bowen. I think James Austin Johnson does too. He just has this swagger every time he's in a sketch. And yeah, he can play just a side character or the main character. Or he can do an impression yeah i was really close to voting for him but um ultimately went with bowen obviously but 1000 agree yeah good solid choices i think i could see in a few years we could be looking up and seeing heidi gardner having the hall of fame kind of resume she has talent she's a hall of fame talent i think she needs to get maybe a couple more seasons have some more good sketches she's very good on weekend update i think that's a lot of times where she's shines is coming on weekend update and doing kind of off the wall but sometimes relatable.Track 2:[8:46] Characters heidi so i can definitely see heidi forming a case uh dark horse it's for me and he's been awesome i think he's my mvp of season 49 is andrew just mugs honestly yeah he has and he has his own lane on the show too it's almost like a will forte ish kind of lane like andrew he has a more offbeat kind of sense of humor than a lot of the cast and i think he's all of my My favorite pieces from this current season 49 have been Andrew Dismuke's pieces, quite frankly. So I see maybe Andrew a little bit of a dark horse, but I wouldn't be surprised if he if he continues what he's doing this season. We could be possibly making a case for Andrew Dismuke. So those are a couple of people that I wanted to shout out.Track 2:[9:29] So how this SNL Hall of Fame voting is going to work every season. The voters have up to 15 votes that they can use. Voters can use one vote if they'd like. I don't know why they would, but maybe that's, you know, they're very hardcore and stringent and they only think one person deserves to be in the SNL Hall of Fame each season. Though from looking at the ballot, that would just mean like, I think you're an SNL Grinch or something and you might be shamed if you just come on here and say you're just using one vote. I don't know. So I'm curious, how many votes, Jeremy, are you leaning toward using today? I'm using all 15. All 15. All 15. I think there's some easy slam dunk people to put in, and there's a lot of people who I don't want to knock the SNL family, the SNL fan base, but I'm just like, why are these people still on the ballot? And this is a shame, and I'm going to stick up for it. I'm going to continue to do it. So I got all 15. Jeremy's going to be an advocate. Awesome. All 15, the opposite of a Grinch. Good job, my man. Yes, yes, yes. Ashley, how many votes are you using?Track 2:[10:39] I'm going to copy Deremy again. I'm using all 15. I found it difficult to keep it at 15, to be honest. And there was one that I realized wasn't on the list. And so I had to unfortunately kind of kick somebody off to make sure this person got on my ballot. But yeah, again, a lot of great, so much talent over the years. And I'm going to fight for them too. All right. So both Jeremy and Ashley are using 15. Coming in, I have 13 locks. So what I'm doing right now is I have 13 on my list that I feel are locks for me. But I have two that are open. So I think my goal here, one of my goals here on this roundtable is to be persuaded maybe as to how I'm going to use those final two votes. Votes so 13 i have locked in but you dare me you ashley you could persuade me you can make the case for maybe somebody that i don't have on my list and as to why they should be in the eston hall of fame so if there's anybody that's a grinch it seems like it's uh it might be me more so than ashley and dare me but it's strategic grinch it's it's i'm utilizing strategery on the round.Track 2:[11:52] Well done yes uh so then i'm gonna name the nominees and then we'll get to it just to refresh everybody's memory uh on who the nominees are uh this season on the snl hall of fame uh in the cast member category we have 13 cast members first time nominees rachel dratch will forte taryn killam kate mckinnon tracy morgan lorraine newman and adam sandler returning to the ballot We have Fred Armisen, Vanessa Baer, Ana Gasteyer, and Chris Parnell. And their final time on the ballot.Track 2:[12:32] Maya rudolph and molly shannon so that means if maya and molly don't get voted in in this cycle they're off the ballot so i know jeremy's shaking his head what a shame i can't believe it i know i know it's the will of the people i don't know what to say that's true that's true so for the host category there's 12 on the ballot first time nominees john ham and hathaway and martin short returning to the ballot but not for their final time candace bergen jim carrey buck henry scarlett johansson and paul rudd final time on the ballot for these folks melissa mccarthy john mulaney emma stone and justin timberlake we'll see if emma stone she's been on the ballot since snl hall of fame season one she just became a five-timer here in season 49 we'll see if that That helps bumper up as far as making the SNL Hall of Fame. So I'm curious about that. Musical guests. There's one first-time nominee. That's Pearl Jam. Great episode with Ryan McNeil. I love doing that Pearl Jam episode. Returning to the ballot, we have David Bowie, Dave Grohl, and Lady Gaga.Track 2:[13:43] On the ballot for the final time, Paul McCartney, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, and Prince. So those are the musical guests, which is always a fascinating category to me, musical guests. And we'll probably get into that and your philosophies behind musical guests and the SNL Hall of Fame as well. Writers, there's eight writers on the ballot. First-time writers, John Mulaney. So yes, you heard him as a host. John Mulaney is also on the ballot as a writer. So when we did the draft, I believe it was Matt Ardill who said, let's, you know, John Mulaney is a great host. But he's also known for a writer. Let's put him on the ballot as a writer, too, and just kind of see what happens. So Mulaney's on the ballot for the first time as a writer, as is Julio Torres.Track 2:[14:28] Returning is Jack Handy, Adam McKay, Paul Lappel, Herb Sargent, and Rosie Schuster. Final time on the ballot for Frankenden Davis and Michael O'Donohue. So the writer's always interesting, again, to me. And one producer on the ballot, Dick Ebersole, which Jeremy and I did an episode on. I believe back in season three. Yes. Yeah. So Dick Ebersole on the ballot still here on the SNL Hall of Fame. So with that said, let's reveal those ballots, those votes. So I'm going to start with Deremy to kick things off. Who's the first person, Deremy, you want to talk about who you're voting for? Well, I just think you guys did a great episode on this person. And if there's the biggest lock or just slam dunk for the Hall of Fame, SNL Hall of Fame, it's this person. And let's just get her out the way because it's just so obvious. But Kate McKinnon, I think it's just, we're looking at somebody who.Track 2:[15:32] Is a top 10, maybe top five cast member of all time. And we're almost at 50 year history of the show. And someone, I heard you guys talk about just, just a prodigy and just from day one, you're just like, you know, and for me, I get nervous with that because I'm always like, oh, this person shows so much promise and you start thinking, can they be a great, but there's so many great names in SNL history. You don't want to put that pressure, but Kate McKinnon lived up to deliver and exceeded all these expectations. And when I think of SNL in the decade of the 2010s, she's the first name that comes to my mind. So I figured let's just the number one slam dunk on this list to me, Kate McKinnon. Yeah, the most recent cast member on the ballot. Season 47 was her final season, and she went through the waiting period for the SNL Hall of Fame on the ballot this year. I wonder if there's going to be some sort of recency bias maybe against Kate, because she's so recent, and maybe some people feel like they need to put others ahead of Kate in the Hall of Fame. I mean, that's the only reason that I could think of as to why somebody would not vote for her. Because I agree with you, Jeremy. I think she's a slam dunk. Definitely on my ballot. I assume, Ashley, you were my guest for Kate McKinnon. I assume Kate's on your ballot.Track 2:[16:56] I feel like I could call myself a Kate fan. And my entire podcast should have been thrown away if I didn't put Kate on my ballot. So, yeah, she was actually my number one. I think, Jeremy, you and I are on the same wavelength. We're twins. We're SNL twins.Track 2:[17:09] Yes. So, I was going to come out of the gate strong with Kate, too. And, yeah, like, I was worried about that, too, was, yeah, is she too, quote, unquote, young? Is she still too junior? We were kind of talking about, you know, are we putting people up with, you know, people like Phil Hartman and all these kind of big greats. But I think she is up there already. I think she has proved herself to be a name that will forever echo the halls of Saturday Night Live with the impact that she's had. Yeah, and I can't imagine, you know, don't sleep on her just because we think she's going to sit on this ballot for a little bit. Like, I think she's she deserved it for sure. Yeah, I definitely agree. And I know some people have a philosophy of deciding whether somebody's a first ballot or not. I've always been of the mind, even in sports halls of fame, that if somebody's a Hall of Famer, they're a Hall of Famer. And I don't think there should be tiers as far as first ballot Hall of Fame. And to me, if they're a Hall of Famer, they're a Hall of Famer. And I don't look at them as like, I don't separate the Hall of Fame into tiers like that. Some people do. I think Kate's, even if somebody does separate into tiers, I think Kate's a quote-unquote first ballot Hall of Famer, even if somebody is strict like that. To me, she's almost comfortably in the top 10 all-time cast members.Track 2:[18:28] For me and i hope i hope as the years go along that people really have an appreciation for what she did on the show i know there were a lot of maybe hardcore snl fans toward the end of her tenure who were like oh we need some new blood i'm kind of sick of kate and that's unfortunate because we didn't know how good we had it with kate honestly apparently some people didn't know because she's an all-timers all-timer so that's just kind of where i stand so jeremy i'm curious i don't know if we've talked about this do you separate halls of fame in general into like Like, if somebody's a first ballot, if somebody's not? No, I don't have, like, the tier list. Like, I don't do, like, oh, you're on tier one. But there are in SNL Hall of Fame or in Sports Hall of Fame, there are names that are, like, you can just say their name and there's, like, enough said. And, like, you know, you stand up and you sit down. And there's some Hall of Famers where you have to have a discussion more and, you know, talk about it and you might have some debate. And I understand there's, like, both. But once they're in, there's no separation. You're a Hall of Famer. But there's some where it's like, you know, in the NFL, if I say Tom Brady, and if someone goes, really, I'm not sure about him, I'd be like, what's wrong with you? And, you know, Kate McKinnon's like on that level.Track 2:[19:40] It's like if someone's like, I don't know. I'd be like, really? You don't know about Kate McKinnon? Like, it's going to be a long day. So it's like Kate McKinnon's just, you just got to say her name, and then you sit back down. Exactly. No, I'm with you. I'm going to suck up to Ashley here and say Kate McKinnon's like Tim Duncan. In the nba like tim duncan ashley's his first fans oh okay nice tim tim duncan is like you say tim duncan it's like oh he's like a top 10 all-time great nba player like for sure hall of fame like he's on that first tier of hall of famer so to me kate mckinnon's like a tim duncan yeah like it's just a no-brainer like that absolutely and ashley like did a raise the roof there so i'm on her good side i i think my love for saturday night live may be tied with my love for the san antonio spurs it's really close i'm quite a fan girl when it comes to both so yeah tom could not have picked a better reference for me exactly and i'm jealous you get to follow victor wimpy llama same year how many years she's so lucky with the spurs, I was really happy that draft day, for sure. Oh, I bet. So, Deremy, Kate McKinnon, all three of us have Kate McKinnon on our ballots. Ashley, I want to go to you. Who do you want to start with?Track 2:[20:56] The next person I had right after Kate McKinnon on my list that I want to put on my ballot is Maya Rudolph.Track 2:[21:03] Again, I think she's another name. You say her name and it's no question. Profession the the breadth and the depth of talent that she had while on that show i i think was unmatched and i don't think there's been anyone like maya since on the show that's been able to kind of hold the candle to what she was able to do um i mean vocally she could do any of the you know finger impressions and and give us either you know song parodies um but she could also just really own and commit to being silly and ridiculous um but comes to mind is the sketch that she did with kristin wig where they're the prize girls on the on the game show and kate's you know driving around in the golf cart and they're just acting ridiculous and there's a lot of breaking and again i'm sure lauren wasn't too pleased with it but you could get these really serious impressions like beyonce out of maya but then also these just ridiculous ditzy dumb you you know, physical comedy, throw yourself type of sketches from her. And I think she's definitely, you know, she belongs in this hall of fame. Yeah. Well said. I think we've talked a little bit about Maya. Jeremy, is this the, one of the ones you've been upset about over the last few seasons? Yes, Ashley. I don't know what it is. We're on the same page. I'm going to say this. I think Maya Rudolph is the most.Track 2:[22:26] Under appreciated underrated cast member in the history of snl and i think it's crazy i to me i think she's top 10 but at most i'll give someone top 15 like cast member of all time um i think and maybe that's like a people have that sexist view could we say glue guy so we think of just like phil hartman dan akroyd no to me it's a glue person because my rudolph I think maybe the only glue person I think of more than her is a Phil Hartman, in my opinion. I just think, like what Ashley said, the versatility, what she was able to do, how unique she was, where before or since there's not a talent that Saturday Night Live has seen like her. And I think it's a travesty that she's been on this ballot for so long. So absolutely Maya Rudolph. off.Track 2:[23:17] Jeremy, you could partly blame me for some of that because I have been one of those people that's a little on the fence about Maya. And I know that's one of the things that you and I probably disagree about the most. Absolutely. As far as us in the Hall of Fame. And Ashley wants to throw a tomato at me right now, I think. And I love Maya. I love Maya.Track 2:[23:37] I'll watch anything that she pops up. If she's on a podcast, she was just on Dax Shepard's podcast. And I made sure that moved up in the queue. you like i wanted to listen to maya on dax's podcast like i absolutely love maya and i landed on why i was on the fence about it in the beginning and i talked this over we did actually a relitigation episode with rebecca north she came on and advocated for maya and i think for me i think maya was in the wrong era i think the the type of humor that was around when maya was on the cast probably in the early 2000s. I don't think it really fit the skill set that she had. I think she was honestly better than a lot of the material that was on the show around that time. I think if she was on the show early 90s, or even if she got to be more part of the cast in the other Golden Era from about 2007, I know she overlapped a little bit, but I would have liked to see her move on into like 2012 and you know i think she left the cast a little too soon before it really gelled and blossomed so i just think a lot of the material a lot of this the humor in the early 2000s.Track 2:[24:49] I always felt like it was a little edgelordy it was just weird all around like we were in a weird time in the country and just in comedy in general and i think the humor was just kind of off in the early 2000s and i didn't and i think that that didn't cater to to what made maya truly great I always love watching her on screen, but there was always something missing, but I think I landed on that it wasn't her fault. Really?Track 2:[25:15] You know, what gets me is like a lot and not this isn't at you, Thomas, but a lot of people look at the ladies of that era with Maya as like really breaking through the boys club of Saturday Night Live. And Maya was a big part of that.Track 2:[25:28] And the other women to me get talked about so much more than her when I think she was the best of those ladies who broke through, which is always kind of weird and conflicting for me where it's like there was great women on SNL before. But you know they had to fight that boys club and then it's like that's the era where it's like oh like the ladies broke through but then they leave maybe like one of the biggest pieces or the biggest piece off that list when we're talking about we give amy polar love and everybody like we don't give maya rudolph so it always kind of confuses me yeah i can agree with that what do you think about that ashley oh gosh yeah i can't imagine anybody being on the fence about maya rudolph um i think you saw my jaw hit the floor um because yeah it was oh yeah we talked you know jeremy.Track 2:[26:13] You talked about the glue person i think she could have been in every sketch and she held it together she always brought something to it even if she wasn't the star of that sketch or wasn't bringing her main like impressions um to it and again i know on my kate podcast i talked about you know to me when i think of somebody in the hall of fame for saturday night live is you know does their talent take them beyond the show and again look at her i mean she's still making amazing stuff and i i do i see where you're coming from tom a little bit when you're talking about um you know it not being her fault i can see that i think had she stayed and gotten to do a little bit more with like tina fey and annie puller she was like kind of in this weird she She wasn't on too long before they left.Track 2:[26:59] But then kind of also left herself not long after like Kristen wig and stuff was there, you know, only overlapped a little bit with those. I think she was kind of a little bit in between where it really would have catapulted her to a little bit more star power. Had she had a little bit, you know, better chemistry to meld with, but I loved her every second she was on the show. I loved every sketch that she was in. Um, huge fan of her impressions, of course, who I thought she was really good at it.Track 2:[27:32] Yeah, I'm trying to like, I'm a lawyer in my day job and I'm totally failing right now because I'm like, how do I advocate and convince Tom to put Maya on this ballot? Well, I will say that she's one of my locks. So Maya's on my ballot as a lock. So and I think I think she's going to get in this time around. But I had to have a sort of epiphany as to why I didn't 100 percent connect with Maya like everybody else. And it was like a goodwill hunting thing. I had to look at Maya and say, it's not your fault. And then she's in the SNL Hall of Fame as far as I'm concerned. So I'm writing my previous wrong and putting her as a lock on my ballot. And I think it's going to happen for her. I think she's going to get in this time around. That's just my gut feeling. I hope so. Yeah, I think you'll be fine. I will withdraw my objection. I apologize, Tyler. I've apologized. I've done all of, I think, the right thing here and admitted my error. And arrived at a proper conclusion, I think. So Maya Rudolph is on all three of our ballots here on the SNL Hall of Fame. I'm curious. I'll stick with you, Ashley. I'm curious as to who you want to talk about next. So this is a name that I am shocked is still on the ballot.Track 2:[28:51] That she hasn't been voted into the Hall of Fame yet. I got to go with Molly Shannon. Yeah, I think I talked a little bit on on my episode about, you know, what really made me fall in love with Saturday Night Live. And again, I think, you know, there's a few other names from her era that are on my ballot, too, that I won't bring up yet. But again.Track 2:[29:12] I mean, Mary Catherine Gallagher, just how can you not put Mary Catherine Gallagher in the Hall of Fame? She's a superstar. It's literally on her name. Well said. Yeah, she's on my ballot. So Molly Shannon is one of those. And similar to Maya Rudolph, this is her last year on the ballot. So if she doesn't get in, she's just off the ballot.Track 2:[29:33] So I have her as a lock. So that's one of my other locks. Um daramie uh molly shannon uh what are you what's your feeling on molly oh absolutely a lock um and and i agree with you guys i agree with ashley like she should have she should have been in i'm always going to give love for those cast members and writers who bridge a gap at a really tough time in snl history when i know like we all know the stuff like every year saturday night dead and blah blah blah and it's like okay but there's certain points in the show's history where it was really at a shaky point and on the rocks and she came midway through that awful 94 95 season and stayed on one of the few people who stayed on and really helped bring in a new transition with that fall of 95 96 cast and just the different characters the way she just jumped into the bazaar and didn't hold back and could you know have mary katherine gallagher but just really brought such a weird uncomfortable character to the mainstream and she was able to do that time and time again on this show uh definitely a hall of famer for.Track 2:[30:44] Yeah that's both of you said everything i think especially like she i think mary catherine gallagher on the snn they did a character count and i think mary catherine gallagher finished top five i want to say and that that's that's molly shannon's work her physicality is something.Track 2:[31:01] That i think everybody will always mention probably to her detriment like you watch some of those sketches back and she probably will admit like yeah she could have heard like she probably shouldn't have done that necessarily like i bet the producers on the show and writers and stuff like what are you doing like you don't have to like totally throw yourself through this table or wall or so i think she did a little damage to her body but she sacrificed herself for the good of the show and for our entertainment and she's just so wonderful and she has a really great memoir called hello molly uh i don't know if you have ever if you have a chance to read it i don't you need to pick that up Ashley if you haven't it's so good it's in my it's in my to read list right now for sure I admit I got a little bit sidetracked by some other kind of book talk recommendations that I very cliche got into but it is downloaded it is in my queue I've been dying to read it and yeah yeah you were talking about her physicality and I think what I loved about her too is we haven't seen a female comedian do physical comedy to the extreme like chris farley did you know when i think of extreme physical physical comedy to their actual physical real detriment you know obviously um you know chris farley would chug you know i don't even know how much like caffeine or espressos to get into that you know really hyper mindset in addition to you.Track 2:[32:31] Know, throwing himself through walls and tables.Track 2:[32:34] I loved that a female comedian would do that. And it was, I can be just as funny as the men who do this. And it's not improper. It's not inappropriate.Track 2:[32:43] She nailed it. I think it worked for her. And you're right. She did have so many quirky characters that I feel like other comedians who came after her tried to do, you know, they tried to bring that kind of weird and unique humor, but it didn't really land, or at least I didn't really get it. First person that comes to mind is Kyle Mooney. I apologize to Kyle Mooney fans, but he was just somebody that I couldn't really understand.Track 2:[33:11] I applauded his attempt and because, you know, comedy is so subjective and there's something out there for everybody. But I think Molly was that weird kind of quirky as a weird, quirky girl, awkward, you know, growing up, I was like, Oh, I feel seen like people can laugh with her and not at her. And that was really, really awesome to see. Do we have a Kristen Wiig or Kate McKinnon without Molly Shannon? Yeah, she's a trailblazer. Yeah, exactly.Track 2:[33:42] And I'm looking at Molly's trajectory as far as voting, and she started off at 34% after season one, and she's climbed to 47, 54, and then 57 last time around. So she just needs that last kind of push to get into the Hall of Fame. And with Maya, she started off at 47, and then she's been at 57, 58, and 58 the last few times. So I think both Molly and Maya both hovering around like the 57 to 58 percent of the vote mark. This is their last time. I think Molly's going to get into that's my gut feeling as well. I think the fact that I think voters will look at it and say that Molly and both Molly and Maya deserve it. And they've been on the cusp. They've been so close. And again, I blame myself for Maya. I've voted for Molly in the past. So I'm off the hook as far as Molly goes. But I would love to see both of them get into the SNL Hall of Fame. So we've had agreements on Kate McKinnon, Maya Rudolph, and Molly Shannon, three great cast members. Jeremy, I'm wondering who you have as far as non-cast members.Track 2:[34:53] Yeah, that's actually where I was going to go next because I'm like, you know what, let's just get weird on this roundtable. Let's get weird. Let's get weird. and I'm gonna go with this person and I'll be honest Thomas and, you know have listened to snl hall of fame since season one and usually when i'm listening the the conversation's great and you kind of lean me either way i'm thinking either where i'm like yeah they're hall of famer they're already just you're proving that or i don't think so and you're kind of going that way never have i been more conflicted listening than to the michael o'donohue episode where you had brad and gary on and i'm driving around and i'm going yeah and then right away. Then the next, someone makes a point and I go, no, he's not a hall of famer. Then I'm like, but yeah, he is. And I was just back and forth, like, and I'm like, I really don't know.Track 2:[35:40] And so I thought about it a lot, but I I'm going to vote them in. Okay. And I can understand if people don't, but I'm going to go there because of when the show started and, you know, because we've been making sports references, I'm going to keep that train going. You know, the dynasty docu-series just happened with the Patriots. And of course when you look at the Patriots dynasty there's a lot of players coaches, administrators who are a part of it but the big three like headed leadership Robert Kraft Bill Belichick, Tom Brady. When you look at the first year SNL the three headed leadership it was Lorne Chevy Chase and Michael O'Donohue and Michael really did if you listen to a lot of people that original those first five years You know, Saturday Night Live brought an edge. It was cool. It was hip. It was something that TV in the 70s hadn't seen yet. And who really helped to bring that sensibility was Michael O'Donoghue. And he's also done things, especially in the early 80s, that really could hurt the show. So I understand the negative, but I feel like his positives do outweigh the negatives, which is why I kind of went with he should be voted on. And he was a part of that original crew and I feel like everyone who was a part of the first season in my opinion should Be in the Hall of Fame just because you were a part of the foundation and you started this.Track 2:[37:05] Huge franchise that will stay in pop culture forever, no matter how long the show is on or when it goes off. So I vote for Michael O'Donohue. It's interesting that you bring up O'Donohue because I've, I put him on and then took him off. Like I alternated just so many over the last few days. I was like, nah, I don't know Don Hugh. And then I thought, and then I would think about what Brad and Gary said. I'm like, well, those are good points. I'll put them on. And then I took him off again. As of right now, Now he's not one of my 13 locks and he was one of the ones where I could be persuaded for him to end up on my final ballot. He went actually, I think Brad and Gary did a really great job of advocating for Michael O'Donohue because he went from 11% of the vote after season three to barely, like barely staying on the ballot. He got 35% last year. So that was quite the jump for Michael O'Donohue. I have, I don't know. It's just some, I don't know if it's just his, his persona or something like the, the, the edgy bordering on mean material that he possibly wrote that sometimes rubs me the wrong way. But, but I, I, I definitely grant like how important he was, uh, to the show. Uh, Ashley, it was Michael O'Donoghue, somebody that you've been maybe considering, uh.Track 2:[38:20] He is not on my ballot actually. And yeah, it was one of those things where I totally agree with you, Jeremy. He, I mean, he was part of that first season and I, I do agree with your statement that anyone from that first season because of what they created and what we have now is because of them. Um, but again, I wasn't a huge fan of, of his, some of his sketches were, I don't know, maybe it's just cause they didn't age well looking back at them. Um, but I do have a few writers on my ballot for sure. Um, and he just didn't land in one of my top favorites. Um, so. Yeah. He, uh, looking at his sketches, like, so this will be have like the, the good and the bad of it. Like he wrote Godfather therapy with, uh, Belushi Belushi, which was awesome. He wrote the last voyage of the starship enterprise, which I think is one of the better sketches of those early five seasons. Absolutely. Both of those. Yeah. Yeah, those are great. Norman Bates' School of Motel Management was awesome.Track 2:[39:18] I even liked the, he had a weird concept of the attack of the atomic lobsters that was like, I think O'Donohue's sense of humor kind of reigned in a little bit. Then like you have things like the Needle, the Needles Impressionist, where he just said like, here's my impression of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir with needles stuck in their eyes. And he would just like yell he would like mind putting needles in his eyes and just yell so it's just kind of interesting uh but again Jeremy he's not like totally off my ballot it's just something that I have to like keep thinking about well don't get me wrong like I so personally I agree with you guys like there's a lot of things that I'm like uh it doesn't I mean there's some sketches he wrote that hits me it's a lot that don't but I have to take myself out of it and look back on what, for our parents' generation, what TV was like in 1975.Track 2:[40:14] And we look at it like, we look at the late 60s into the 70s, music and movies were ahead of the game, where they reflected what society was doing. TV was dead last. And I think about what really changed TV. I think of, number one, like Norman Lear and his sitcoms, and then, number two, like when Saturday Night Live premiered. So like him doing like the needles in the eye, like it's not, I don't laugh at it, but like at that point, TV was so far behind. That was just bizarre to see on television where you're used to seeing, you know.Track 2:[40:47] Green Acres and Mr. Ed, you know, not that long before. And that was like, that's what you got. And then even like in late night, it was Johnny Carson.Track 2:[40:55] So then it's like, you're getting this and just this sensibility. That's just, whoa, like the counterculture is taking over NBC for an hour and a half on Saturday nights. Like it was very different for that generation, which is why I had to take myself and my personal taste out of it and look like that was different for that time. Totally no i agree i mean that's that's why he's still kind of like i might be persuaded honestly he might end up on my list of 15 i'm trying i'm trying i know yeah you're very persuasive you do that on our other pod too on pop culture five you always kind of like get me on your side yeah so and michael donahue was the first person to appear on camera on snl like just a little like historical fun fact the first person that we see on snl it was michael o'donohue and that wolverine sketch so but Jeremy has Michael O'Donohue Ashley's probably a no I'm a maybe at this point Ashley you said that you had a writer or a couple writers I'm curious if you want to reveal one of those yeah so I have four writers actually um and I I gotta go with my girl Paula Pell brilliant just absolute brilliance like she is my comedy um I if I saw her on the street I might might die just like i would next to kate and tina fey but i think because we got paula pell like in the era of tina fey to such strong writers at the same time we got such great stuff out of them.Track 2:[42:25] Um and again i keep repeating myself but what they've been able to do beyond the show as well, you know like conan o'brien when he was on and what he's been able to do afterwards because he had such talent i think paul is the same way and she kind of stays in the you know she doesn't really take that limelight that I feel like she deserves she's kind of I think happy to be a writer and not necessarily take those starring roles but when she does you know come in and do even just like a supporting actress I sign me up I'm gonna see it every single day any chance I get to see Paula Pell and again I think what she was able to do with around that time with Tina was pushing again we talked about Jeremy you said um breaking the boys club not just for the the comedians we saw on TV, but I think that's what Paula and Tina were doing in the writers room was they were trying to break up that boys club, and again say women are funny too and we can be silly and ridiculous and I think even bringing in the.Track 2:[43:21] You know, the topical humor of calling stuff out and making it funny, though, like bringing up issues in a way that made everybody laugh instead of making them uncomfortable. So we could talk about it and kind of understand it and see it. And I think she was such a trailblazer for it. Yeah, she was one of the minds behind some of the great recurring sketches of that era. She was she was behind the cheerleaders and other just really big recurring sketches like that. She was like you could you definitely felt her voice in that era. And it meshed well with, like you said, Will Ferrell, Sherry O'Terry, and all of those. And she has Girls 5, Ebba. That's kind of like the thing that she's involved with right now. Paula Pell. Deremy, I'm curious before I kind of – because I have a little situation here with Paula Pell and another writer that I might want to hash out. But, Deremy, I want to get your thoughts on Paula Pell. Oh, she's on my list. That's a slam dunk.Track 2:[44:17] Should have been in for a writer. She's the first ballot. Hall of Famer in my opinion um I talked about you know with Molly Shannon those who helped really re like revigorate and save the show in like the fall of 95 we talk about the people on screen you always give credit to those behind the camera and like the writers Paula Pell's one of those people and you mentioned I mean from like the cheerleaders to Debbie Downer to Justin Timberlake in the omelette ville like so that's like over different years she's doing these memorable characters and like writing these great sketches um and just someone you know that lauren trusted you know like i think ashley great point like how huge was it for when tina fey became the first female head writer that having a paula pell there like i'm sure that was like a big help and i just think she's getting this just due now because like in the public eyes because of girls five ever but like.Track 2:[45:16] Maybe it's by design. I know she was behind the scenes, but to me, she's one of those writers who should have always been talked about up there with a Smigel, a Jack Handy, all those people. She's that great. She's a slam dunk for me. me yeah it seems like if you ask somebody who worked at snl around that time they would tell you that paula pell was probably the funniest person yeah in the building so that's kind of the that's the reputation that she had uh and by the way if you listen to wtf with mark maron paula pell was a recent guest yes on and she was great she's hilarious she's so likable love paula pell that was a really great interview she did with mark maron um paul is not a lock on my list and she's honestly one like that I'm not discounting and I wanted to hash it out because I don't know I have another writer that might be a little I'm gonna take controversial but a lot of people might tell me might urge me to put Paula Pell in ahead of him for many reasons I want to hash out as to whether I should swap out Paula Pell for this person or if I should add Paula Pell to my list and keep this person so i want to kind of dive into i have julio torres.Track 2:[46:25] On on my list and i and i didn't think that i didn't think that was i was gonna feel that way heading into the season but then i started looking at the sketches that he wrote and his unique voice and i know the one limiting factor is he was only on the show for he was only a writer on the show for like three seasons but some of the stuff that julio did i mean he he was behind uh papyrus which we saw a second installment papyrus 2 now the actress with emma stone he uh he also wrote wells for boys which was another wonderful emma stone pre-tape he wrote a lot of really great political things he had the melania moments his so you julio had just like such a clever unique voice at that time of the show i think he really stood out he had a really great one with With Lin-Manuel Miranda.Track 2:[47:18] Where Lin-Manuel Miranda played a character. That was like. He was in Montana or North Dakota or something. And he called his mom. Because he was an immigrant that called his mom. And was describing like how his life was. So like. Julio Torres' voice was just so unique. And to me he was almost like a comet. That came through SNL. And he made the show so great. But he just wasn't there. For a long time. Where somebody like Paula Pell was. Was and so i want i was wondering about like the merits of of julio torres in that should i i don't know ashley like should i move another rider a more of a legacy rider in front of him or like what do you what do you think about julio's contributions and then even like compared to somebody like paul appell.Track 2:[48:06] Yeah, I mean, and not to discount Julio Torres. Yeah, I loved his sketches. I thought they were hilarious. And I don't want to say that somebody doesn't deserve to be on a ballot just because they weren't on Saturday Night Live for I don't think there's a requisite amount of time. I think we could, you know, vote somebody in who was in for one season. Obviously, we've got some hosts on the ballot that aren't necessarily in the five timers club and things like that. But I think to me, the difference between if we're going to put Julio and Paula together is not just not that Paula was legacy because she was on for so long, but because of what her sketches did to, you know, move the show. Like Jeremy said, you know, taking it out of an era like she came in, I think, right at the right time to kind of rescue a drowning show and then continue to evolve it and stay relevant and kind of help us, you know, continue to keep SNL moving with the times.Track 2:[49:01] Whereas you know i mean i get papyrus and they just did you know part two a couple weeks ago is just genius um i think it should be nominated for like an emmy for a short or something but um yeah given the two i really think paula um i mean is julio again i hate i hate to do this but this isn't his last year on the ballot correct no and you're right no this is his first year actually so i mean that that plays a role yeah that plays a role too in the thought process i think yeah yeah so i i think you got to go with paula i really do i think and again julio he's also someone who continues to write um and doing great things for other shows you know that we still watch today and so definitely not to discount his humor what what he did um his sketches.Track 2:[49:50] But i'm biased i'm like i said i would fangirl over paula pell in the street so So yeah, you know where I stand. Yeah, I think Jeremy, the thing about Julio to me was like his batting average, putting in sports terms, like his batting average was just so high that it was hard for me to discount. He did so much in such a little time, like almost everything that he did was a hit for me. And to me, that plays a big role. Like, is it quantity or even if he was only on the show for three seasons, but his batting average is super high? Like, how do you weigh stuff like that? No, it's hard. I feel like you could have both on there, and I think that would solve it, but if you have to choose.Track 2:[50:31] Between one or the other, I would put Paula just because.Track 2:[50:35] A little bit of the longevity and what she did over different eras. So her batting average was, you know, it, you know, if you have someone who hit three 50 for three seasons and someone who hit three 25 for, you know, 15 seasons, like it's like, you know, I'm gonna go with that three 25 for 15 over three 50 for the three. So it's like, I have to weigh it like that. I'm probably gonna, you gotta, it's hard because like my, The guy who I look at is either, I go back and forth between first or second greatest cast members, Eddie Murphy. And he wasn't on very long, but what he did was amazing. So I hear you. It's tough. And I think with Julio bringing that different sensibility to a show and really bringing that diversity in a different mind, that's a great factor for him. But Paula did that too. Yeah. So it's like, it's, it's just hard. Like if you have to pick one or the other, I would go with Paula, but it's a tough choice. Yeah. So I think all of that weighs into my thought process. I think, I think.Track 2:[51:40] I think it either come down for me to Julio or Paula, or you're right. I could, I could just put both of them on. I might have room to do that. It's all, I mean, nothing's set in stone right now. I just wanted to hash that out. Cause I think it's interesting. And Julio actually has a better case than I thought even like on the surface, you're like, okay, Julio Torres, like, you know, memorable, talented rider. But then you start looking at his work and it was like, oh my gosh, he might actually have a real case here. Like more so than I thought. So, uh, so I just wanted to hash that out. And I thought that was the perfect time to do it. But Paula Pell is one of the other ones where I was like, man, I love Paula Pell. And I was just considering that. So, yeah, thanks for – see, here, we're all learning something. And we're all kind of like – or at least I'm like kind of getting my thought process in order and maybe swayed a certain way. So, yeah, Deremy, I wonder what is next on your list.Track 2:[52:29] Another crime I'm trying to justify or undo on the SNL Hall of Fame. You came with anger, everybody. Deremy's just like – I'm just like, jeez. here we go i brought this per i think i was on the season three round table before and i nominated this person then and they're still on here but we're talking about you know because ashley you just brought up like host and we're talking about the og five-timer guy he was on 10 times in the first five years he was the person who suggested doing recurring sketches like to that to the original like cast like hey you should do that samurai thing again john like come on i mean it's classic when they did the samurai and belushi like by accident cuts him on the forehead and they're all wearing like the bandage you got to have buck henry on here the og the five timers club is such a known thing in the snl like pantheon and how do we not have the og of the five timers club in the snl hall of fame he should be a first ballot guy because he's one of those people.Track 2:[53:37] I think of him and Steve Martin, where people to this day get confused and say they were part of the original cast. Because that's how much they are a staple of that show. And so I'm just like, outside of maybe Steve Martin, to me there's no more important host than Buck Henry. So it's like, how is he not in the Hall of Fame yet? I don't know. I don't get it. But I'm going to do it again.Track 2:[54:04] Nominate and bring up buck henry for the snl hall of fame let's hopefully we get it right this time people yeah he's on he's a lock on my list too and and i voted for him in the past i think he's just so important to the show he's a 10 timer yeah but it's not just the quantity of like he he was solid like you watch every single one of his hosting gigs there's a reason why they asked him twice a year to come back and he always hosted the finale and it was just like i think the cast and the crew and the producers it was just like they knew they were in good hands with buck henry and they could throw stuff at him and he would he would be great in it he could he could lead a sketch he can just find like a role to kind of hang back and just be a supporting player i think buck just in synonymous with the show i mean he wrote the graduate uh and he was a great writer but people know him for snl like i think that's just as far as on screen especially like he they know him as like the guy who used to host SNL a bunch. And I think, yeah, I think Buck Henry needs to get in. So he's for sure on my list. I don't know how you feel about Buck Henry, Ashley, if we have to like persuade you or where do you stand on this?Track 2:[55:15] I don't, it wasn't a matter of not being persuaded that he deserved to be on it. I think just because I, like I said, at the beginning of this, I had such a hard time whittling my list down to my 15 votes. And that I, you know, have a little bit, you know, my bias is going to show through with my votes of, you know, kind of the more...Track 2:[55:37] Relatively recent um you know people i only have three hosts on my list actually, because again i had such a really hard time with it so i i had to give that spot to somebody else and i think it was kind of me selfishly hoping that somebody else like like you guys would push him through because i agree he believes or excuse me i agree that he deserves to be in the hall of fame um i'm not against it i don't think you have to convince me that he deserves it but you may have to convince me to take somebody else off my list if i'm going to put him on mine so a lot of it's like an era maybe kind of thing like uh buck henry's a more old timer maybe and so so so we're looking at like an era that more so like resonated with you possibly i will say this buck henry was on the ballot for the first time after season three so this is not his final year he's been.Track 2:[56:32] On twice before he went from 23 after season three to 48 so he made quite the jump so i think uh this being his third time on the ballot i wouldn't be surprised uh i would be a little surprised if he got in but i but i think he's gonna be one of those where it's like he's inching toward there so you have another couple seasons after this ashley to to write this wrong that might be made so yeah so this isn't totally the last chance for buck henry and i think that was the thing is you know there's so many greats from that original era that are in the hall of fame already that it was kind of a shock that he isn't on that list um because i mean like how do we get anywhere with it we are today without jane curtain gilda radner you know these ogs um that again like derry said started the show um they made us know what it is and yeah you're right.Track 2:[57:26] Literally you know wrote one of the greatest films of all time you know and then we're like oh no but his his work on snl don't worry about um you know the graduate um thing about snl so you're right i think next year i'll have an updated ballot okay okay so so we'll check back in next year i think if buck henry was more famous just in general in pop culture he would probably get in but he's He's just like a writer, a movie writer. So he just kind of like is under the radar. But I think if he was a little more famous, like Steve Martin or something like that, then I think Buck Henry would be in. So we'll see. I'm curious to see where Buck Henry lands this year. What host do you have, Ashley? So I actually, yeah, kind of going like a little bit more to an older era, I put Martin Short instead of Buck Henry as my vote for one of my hosts. Because, again, he's somebody else that I find synonymous with SNL.Track 2:[58:26] And, again, just that silly, quirky... You know, doesn't apologize for how he is or who he is or his comedy or anything. And even to this day, I mean, we saw him, you know, a couple of weeks ago with, with Kristen Wiggs episode and just still making, he made Lauren break. I mean, come on, like how, how epic is that when you make Lauren Michaels laugh at a sketch? I think that shows how great and how funny he actually is. Every time he's on, I get so happy.Track 2:[58:56] I think because of what he's been able to do, the fact that, yeah, he keeps coming back. As well we keep inviting him back no matter what um i mean they brought him back for kristen wig they brought him back for uh steve martin he's just somebody again it wasn't just a glue person but could you know steal the scene and steal the sketch no matter what he was in yeah just always a wildly entertaining person to watch martin short and he he hosted two all-time classic christmas episodes he has two of the better monologues i've ever seen i'm still teetering though i'm kind of on the fence he's not a lock for me but he's one of those where i just like kind of wanted to wait and see what other people said and i'll do some more thinking on so i didn't totally discount martin short he's in that michael o'donoghue paul appell range where i'm just like i don't know not not a lock for me but i want to see somebody make the case uh jeremy where do you stand on martin short he's a new on my list i don't i don't have him on mine um i think there There is no, in my lifetime, there's no more guaranteed lock to make a person laugh. If I have to pick someone in the world to save my life, like, I dare me, you can only survive if you pick someone to make me laugh.Track 2:[1:00:10] I'm Martin Shorts, like, he's on my Mount Rushmore, probably like number one. Like, he's just that naturally funny. Like, he's like the ultimate talk show person. and it makes sense he's the ultimate person to kind of fill in on SNL and to be there and to come on but I just don't I know he was on for the cast for that season that transition that Steinbrenner year I just still don't.Track 2:[1:00:34] When I think of Martin Short, I don't think of SNL with him. I know that's a part of his history, but I'm going to go to movies. I'm going to go to his talk show appearances. I'm going to go to other things. I'm not his, you know, not his relationship with Steve Martin. I'm not going to go to SNL. And I think that's why. But I still do believe like he's hilarious and he's funny. And I'm always glad when I see him there. But I don't think of him like, oh, as a host or as even a cast member. Like yeah he's one of those you know for our podcast essential people so that's why i don't have him on my list but i could be persuaded to like for sure but he's off mine he had more of a case after i after i re-watched some of his at least a couple of his episodes he had he had the episode there was one in the late 90s that was classic though his episode in 2012 when paul mccartney was the musical guest that's like a stone cold classic episode to me as well and his His monologues there were great. So when I watched specifically even those two episodes, I'm like, all right, yeah.Track 2:[1:01:35] I mean, he put in two amazing performances here. One thing that's interesting about him, too, is he has another, you know, in the 80s, he hosted with Chevy Chase and Steve Martin. And then he also co-hosted with Steve Martin. So some of his hosting gigs have been with other people as well where Martin wasn't totally featured. So I could see both sides. That's why I am kind of like he's still up in the air for me. But anything to add on that, Ashley?Track 2:[1:02:05] I think I'm going to steal your Maya Rudolph explanation. And I think Martin Short was, I think, the victim of being a cast member on a time where maybe his type of comedy or whatever the reason didn't mesh with everything else going on. And you're right, he wasn't on very long and he ended up doing much bigger things, after Saturday Night Live. But I think...Track 2:[1:02:29] The reason Lorne kept bringing him back was because he understood that maybe, the time that he was a cast member, maybe not have been the best time to have him shine, but recognizing his talent, his comedy, what he's able to do.Track 2:[1:02:45] And I think that's why I would vote for him as a host, as opposed to a cast member is you're right. Every time he came back to host, whether it was by himself or, or with, you know, the three amigos, I just, Just, it makes me wish that he would have been on. And sometimes it makes me forget that he wasn't on longer than he was.Track 2:[1:03:05] Because my brain has clicked and associated him so much with Saturday Night Live. And I think, too, just his association with all the other greats on SNL, I think, helped bring him along a little bit to that star power. But I think even without them, he can stand on his own. So and i should say too like uh for snl hall of fame purposes and how how it was set up a few years ago um we there are the categories technically so martin short isn't eligible as a cast member because he was only on for the one season that's why he's on host but it's up to each individual uh voter and it's just to what their criteria is so if they want to count his cat time as a cast member that's up to the voter uh technically it's just kind of his host hosting gigs that we're looking at, but that's interesting as far as... This is why we do these things, is kind of peek into the criteria of a certain individual. Like Jeremy brought up, Martin Short made his mark elsewhere other than SNL. And so there's all sorts of different factors, but I can definitely see Martin Short. I'm curious. This is his first year on the ballot, so I'm curious to see how voters feel about him. So this will definitely be interesting. Jeremy, I want to go back to you for your next pick. I'm gonna go back to

(Deep Dive begins at 32:30) It's WrestleMania week and the BFE are doing their annual tradition of finding something wrestling-related for the  someone asks if you're a god, you say yes. Join your favourite TransAtlantic podcasters, Ian and Liam (Georgia, Megs, and Ethan aren't booked so they're not showing up) as we're heading from bingo halls to the Royal Rumble and everywhere in between in the Barry Blaustein documentary, Beyond The Mat.  We're wishing you a good day in our 220th episode as we discuss: Ian breaks down panto etiquette Liam plays "wrestler or hockey player?" We continue our discourse regarding if The Rock is really a good guy We talk about what the appeal is to deathmatch wrestling Why do wrestlers (and wrestling fans) get so bent out of shape over the word 'fake'? Why do wrestling fans stay somewhat closeted? After watching this, does Blaustein lead the audience to the same conclusion he came up with? Whether or not Beyond the Mat is the Best Film Ever Become a Patron of this podcast and support the BFE at https://www.patreon.com/BFE We are extremely thankful to our following Patrons for their most generous support: Juleen from It Goes Down In The PM Hermes Auslander James DeGuzman Kirsti Lina Oberholzer Ensign Ian Davies Chris Pedersen  Duane Smith (Duane Smith!) Randal Silva The Yeetmeister Nate The Great Rev Bruce Cheezy (with a fish on a bike) Andy Dickson Richard Ryan Kuketz Dirk Diggler Shai Bergerfroind Stew from the Stew World Order podcast NorfolkDomus Buy some BFE merch at https://my-store-b4e4d4.creator-spring.com/ Massive thanks to Lex Van Den Berghe for the use of 'Mistake' by Luckydog.  Catch more from Lex's new band, The Maids of Honor at https://soundcloud.com/themaidsofhonor Also massive thanks to Moonlight Social for our age game theme song.  You can catch more from them at https://www.moonlightsocialmusic.com/

Today's Eyes Up Here with Francine welcomes the director and producer of the critically acclaimed documentary Beyond the Mat, Barry Blaustein. 25 years after Beyond the Mat gave fans an inside look at the behind-the-scenes workings of the biggest promotions in wrestling, we look back with Barry at how he views the film now versus then and if he would change anything about his creative process of making this ground-breaking feature. Barry also touches on the vibe and reception he received from the different locker rooms he entered, as well as the type of atmosphere he encountered when filming at Titan Tower with Vince McMahon.  You can now send questions into Francine's Eyes Up Here Podcast: email allpodcastquestions@gmail.com  Follow Francine on all platforms @ECWDIVAFRANCINE Instagram / Twitter Order Francine's OFFICIAL t-shirts: Francine's Pro Wrestling Tees store. Subscribe for FREE or become a channel member of "The Queen of Extreme" Francine's Eyes Up Here YouTube experience to get access to exclusive content. Memberships start at $5.99. We've got watch alongs of classic ECW matches, personalized Francine emojis and additional content added from the Eyes Up Here video library. Plus EXCLUSIVE members only content featuring Francine and Chad.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Irv Muchnick is one of America's leading sports journalists and investigative writers. His essays and other writing have appeared in Sports Illustrated, People, The Washington Monthly, and the Sunday magazines of the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times. He is the author of the books Chris & Nancy; Wrestling Babylon; Concussion Inc., Without Helmets or Shoulder Pads: The American Way of Death in Football Conditioning; and Underwater: The Greed-Soaked Tale of Sexual Abuse in USA Swimming and Around the Globe. Irv Muchnick reflects on why the recent “revelations” about Vince McMahon's alleged Caligula-like sexual exploitation of an employee, harassment, and of creating a larger environment of sexual predation at the WWE/WWF should in no way be a surprise given what has been publicly known for decades. Irv also offers some context from his long history of reporting on the subculture(s) of professional wrestling and other sports such as swimming and gymnastics about how and why sexual harassment and abuse are unfortunately all too common both in those spaces and across American society. And Irv connects the dots between Donald Trump and Vince McMahon and what he describes as the “Trumpification” of American politics and life. Chauncey reflects on nostalgia, innocence, joy, pleasure, fan culture, and how to reconcile loving professional wrestling (and other things) with knowing about the real-life drama and human cost that it brings to its participants and others in that world. Ultimately, is innocence bliss? And Chauncey shares a story about being a hero in your own neighborhood (even when sick), thanks everyone for their support during his battle with the cooties, and in that spirit makes a public health announcement about the merits of folk medicine and the all-powerful asafetida bag. At the end of this episode of the podcast, there is also an “Easter egg” bonus segment from the archives with writer, movie producer, and director Barry Blaustein where he reflects on making the landmark professional wrestling documentary Beyond the Mat. WHERE CAN YOU FIND ME? On Twitter: https://twitter.com/chaunceydevega On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chauncey.devega My email: chaunceydevega@gmail.com HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT THE CHAUNCEY DEVEGA SHOW? Via Paypal at ChaunceyDeVega.com Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thechaunceydevegashow

The physically staycationing Peter Rosenberg is joined by his old pal Dip to discuss the following on another episode of the world's no. 1 sports and recreation podcast: Dip's memories of his favorite wrestler of all time, the late Bray Wyatt LA Knight's performance on last Friday's emotional episode of 'SmackDown' CM Punk's reported altercation with Jack Perry AEW's record-breaking night this past weekend and why the guys were left shocked by the main event Why WWE is going too far with the Bloodline story Plus, the director of the iconic wrestling documentary ‘Beyond the Mat,' Barry Blaustein, pops in to share his fond memories of working with the late Terry Funk. Hosts: Peter Rosenberg and Dip Guest: Barry Blaustein Producer: Troy Farkas Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Barry Blaustein joined me to discuss watching political events of the early 1960's on a b/w TV; his comedy influences; going to school for broadcast journalism; "Broadcast News"; going to LA and getting jobs on specials; working on The Mike Douglas Show; submitting for SNL; Jean Doumanian asking him to write more, not doing it and getting hired anyway; the writing staff did not intimidate him; Elliot Gould and the Accordion Killer; Malcolm McDowell; Ellen Burstyn and Raheem Abdul Mohammad; his dad coming up with "Is that velvet" from "Coming to America"; writing "LFNY" for Eddie on the seventh show and having people upset; Tommy Torture and Ray Sharkey's erratic behavior; Karen Black episode; Charlene Tilton, Mr. Robinson's Neighborhood and Charles Rocket's f-bomb; writing a Nick the Lounge Singer with Bill Murray; the Writer's Strike; first show back with Little Richard Simmons, Prose and Cons, and Khaddafi Look; show two with Buckwheat; John Mulaney was born in 1982 when he was at SNL; Ted Cruz being a fan of his work; Velvet Jones; Donald Pleasance and Fear; "Hidden Photo"; Michael O'Donoghue; writing the Mick Jagger variety special for Tim Curry; "retiring" Velvet Jones and The Jersey Guy; Gumby; Larry the Lobster; appearing on camera; Ebony & Ivory; going out to L.A. to write for Chevy hosting via satellite; Drew Barrymore; Eddie hosts and Steve Martin makes a cameo; Lily Tomlin; working with Rick Moranis, Sid Caesar, Stevie Wonder and Ed Koch; leaving the show and not being allowed to tell Eddie; Pam Norris; "Coming to America"; being a Mets and Clippers fan; writing the "Police Academy" movies and their humungous success in Russia; What's Alan Watching?; going back with Eddie in 2019 to SNL;

On this episode of Foley is Pod, Mick and Conrad discuss something that should've been a career highlight for Mick, but in the end, well...It's the 1999 documentary written, directed, and produced by Barry Blaustein, Beyond the Mat! NORD VPN - Grab your EXCLUSIVE NordVPN Deal by going to nordvpn.com/FOLEY to get a Huge Discount off your NordVPN Plan, plus 4 months for free! It's completely risk free with Nord's 30 day money-back guarantee! That's nordvpn.com/FOLEY BLUECHEW - Try BlueChew FREE when you use our promo code FOLEY at checkout--just pay $5 shipping. That's BlueChew.com, promo code FOLEY to receive your first month FREE SLEEP.ME - Head over to sleep.me/FOLEY to learn more and save 25% off the purchase of any new Dock Pro, Cube, or OOLER Sleep System. This offer is available exclusively for MICK FOLEY listeners -- and only for a limited time! SAVE WITH CONRAD - If you have credit card debt or in a 30-year loan? Well, we can help you get out of that pinch and save money at the same time! Head over to SaveWithConrad.com for a quick quote. WOOOOO WINGS - Wooooo! Wings, a virtual restaurant concept from The Man himself, the Nature Boy Ric Flair. Enjoy the legendary flavors and world championship wings by ordering with your Uber Eats or Postmates app. Wooooo! Wings is now open in Nashville, San Antonio, Jacksonville, Florida as well as Huntsville and Tuscaloosa in Alabama, with many more locations coming soon. Try the only chicken wings worthy of carrying the name of the 16x World Heavyweight Champion.

We welcome acclaimed writer, director & producer Barry Blaustein who created the greatest wrestling documentary of all time 'Beyond the Mat' as well as being the writer of Coming to America, The Nutty Professor & director of The Ringer. We talk about being behind the scenes in the WWE, his relationships with Vince McMahon, Mick Foley, Terry Funk & Jake 'The Snake' Roberts, his thoughts on wrestling today & whether we could ever see a sequel. #WWE #VinceMcMahon #MickFoley #TerryFunk #JakeRoberts #BarryBlaustein #Coming2America #ComingToAmerica #NuttyProfessor #JakeTheSnakeRoberts #ECW #DennisStamp Our full podcast can be found anywhere you get your podcasts and we are hosted on: https://anchor.fm/A2theK CHECK OUT OUR MERCH ON PROWRESTLINGTEES! Pro Wrestling Tees: https://prowrestlingtees.com/a2thekwrestling Teespring: https://teespring.com/stores/a2thekwrestling COME SAY HI! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/a2thekwrestling/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@a2thekwrestling Twitter: https://twitter.com/A2theKWrestling Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/a2thekwrestling/ And make sure you subscribe to our YouTube channel! YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/a2thekwrestling The A2theK Wrestling Show is a weekly show full of interviews, news, previews & reviews! We also feature fun segments such as top 10 best & worst lists, what if scenarios & more!

Rachel and Matt dissect Barry Blaustein's pivotal 1999 documentary “Beyond the Mat” and the lives of Mick Foley, Terry Funk, and Jake the Snake. Matt delves into his perspectives watching wrestling as a father, and desperately tries to work in Johnny Gargano hot takes to pull us out of Rachel's Kafka-esque outlook on our doomed existence. A bonus history lesson explores the parallels between Diane Arbus' photography and humans as visual spectacles, plus a Doink reference!FOLLOW US ON SOCIALS:TWITTER @ilwpodINSTAGRAM @ilwpodTIKTOK @mattvogel5 and @ilwpod#ilikewrestlingpod

Many people with Parkinson's disease (PD) continue to work, socialize, and enjoy life, making accommodations as necessary to fit the disease into their lifestyles. And while no one would choose to have PD, some people have even found or created benefits of having it. One of them is Barry Blaustein, an award-winning Hollywood writer, director, and producer, who wrote several of Eddie Murphy's movies and developed several of his Saturday Night Live characters, writing many of Murphy's skits with his writing partner. When we spoke, he had been living with PD for five years, working during that time in Hollywood and teaching screen writing at the university level. In this episode, he describes how he has dealt with his disease, continued to work, and maintained an upbeat attitude.

Scott Rider and Jim Morgan are embarking upon a cross country, motor coach adventure in an effort to provide the world an educational yet private look into what life is like with Parkinson's.Scott and Jim are collaborating with Barry Blaustein, an American comedy writer best known for his writing on Saturday Night Live and the screenplays for Coming to America and The Nutty Professor. Leveraging upon Barry's expertise and creative talents, Scott and Jim plan to produce a video documentary about the trip that they will use as a fundraising tool to benefit the Parkinson's Foundation.. They will meet with care partners, physicians, exercise experts, and nutritionists who strive to make life better for people living with PD. They will also visit with top clinical researchers and innovative entrepreneurs who are working diligently to help find a cure.

This week ChatFlix takes you on a behind-the-scenes look at wrestling, beyond the ring and into the lives of the men and women who inhabit this colorful, competitive, and surprisingly complex world with Beyond the Mat. Brose is joined by Julian ‘the snake' James, Mikey J Foley and Tosh Greenslade Funk to chat Barry Blaustein's honest, intimate, revealing, highly entertaining, and critically acclaimed film. Beyond the Mat features The Rock before Hollywood, Noelle Foley before Holey Foley and Jake 'The Snake' Roberts before he was resurrected by DDPYoga. This week's very real episode about professional wrestling is available to listen to NOW completely for FREE!! As always, please support ChatFlix by making a contribution, every dollar helps improve the pod! Head to PayPal and use the following PayPal account email: paypal@chatflixpodcast.com.au  

Barry Blaustein and David Sheffield saw a quiet young kid at SNL and figured he couldn't be any worse than anybody else, so they took a shot and wrote a bit for him for Weekend Update. He killed. It was Eddie Murphy. The three of them went on to collaborate on some of the most iconic of SNL skits; Gumby, Buckwheat, and James Brown's Hot Tub. The collaboration continued with them writing Coming To America, The Nutty Professor, Boomerang and the recently released sequel Coming 2 America.  Barry Blaustein talks about it all and his connection to Professional Wrestling on The Gary & Kenny Show Podcast.

Once upon a time, Vince McMahon gave a director named Barry Blaustein full access to the WWF locker room. Paul Heyman, Terry Funk and Jake Roberts all signed up as well. Almost 21 years later, it's amazing that Beyond the Mat even exists, but it does. Why did all these wrestling luminaries provide the cowriter of Coming to America with so much access? Did this documentary convince Vince to close ranks and start producing all those WWE-branded docs? Join us as we revisit this remarkable pro wrestling time capsule.

FROM THE VAULT... John Corrigan is cleaning out the vault during coronavirus and has stumbled upon a treasure trove of classic interviews with pro wrestling's biggest names. In this 2012 interview with W.H.I.P., Barry Blaustein discusses the greatest pro wrestling documentary ever: Beyond the Mat.  John Corrigan, editor-in-chief of The Wrestling Estate, brings weekly pro wrestling talk to Team LeftJab Radio. Corrigan's Corner features interviews with the biggest names, up-and-coming independent talent and fellow wrasslin' diehards. Follow him on Twitter at @NotReady4Radio.  

Twenty years ago, Barry Blaustein took a break from writing hit movies for Eddie Murphy to dig very deep into the pain-filled lives of professional wrestlers. Mick Foley, Terry Funk and Jake Roberts are the 3 legends who got Blaustein’s focus in this ultra-dark film: Beyond the Mat.We broke down that brutal “I Quit” match, wrestlers’ addiction to fame, Vince Mc-freakin-Mahon, the need for a wrestlers union (partly because of Vince Mc-freakin-Mahon), and Ryan’s Foley guilt. If you don’t mind taking a dozen chair shots to the head…well, don’t even think about doing that. Settle for five.Anyway, you’ll have a fun time getting through the pandemic by firing up the 47th edition of Scoring At The Movies where the main theme is a bunch of tough SOBs taking ungodly punishment every night for our entertainment. What a weird business.Pedantry Alert: ECW’s first PPV was actually in April 1997. Also, we didn’t mention Beyond The Mat’s Rotten Tomatoes numbers…which were 82% of critics with an average of 6.7/10 and 83% of audiences.Twitter times for one and all: @moviefiend51 and @scoringatmoviesOur website is scoringatthemovies.podbean.com

Twenty years ago, Barry Blaustein took a break from writing hit movies for Eddie Murphy to dig very deep into the pain-filled lives of professional wrestlers. Mick Foley, Terry Funk and Jake Roberts are the 3 legends who snagged Blaustein’s focus in this ultra-dark film. We broke down that brutal “I Quit” match, wrestlers’ addiction to fame, Vince Mc-freakin-Mahon, the need for a wrestlers union (partly because of Vince Mc-freakin-Mahon), and Ryan’s Foley guilt. If you don’t mind taking a dozen chair shots to the head…well, don’t even think about doing that. Settle for five. Anyway, you’ll have a fun time getting through the pandemic by firing up the 47th edition of Scoring At The Movies where the main theme is a bunch of tough SOBs taking ungoldy punishment every night for our entertainment. What a weird business. Pedantry Alert: ECW’s first PPV was actually in April 1997. Also, we didn’t mention Beyond The Mat’s Rotten Tomatoes numbers…which were 82% of critics with an average of 6.7/10 and 83% of audiences. Twitter times for one and all: @moviefiend51 and @scoringatmovies Our website is top100project.com In 2 weeks, we'll funny it up with a look at Caddyshack

McDowell's is the fictional restaurant from the Eddie Murphy movie, Coming to America. In this very special podcast episode, we talk to the Co-Writer of Coming to America, Barry Blaustein. He talks about how the movie got made and even his screenwriting tips to producing Russian TV.

Former SNL writer Barry Blaustein agrees that politics is comparable to WrestleMania these days. The writer of Eddie Murphy’s ‘Coming To America’ and ‘The Nutty Professor,’ joins us for a funny and fascinating comparison of what candidates need to do and what pro wrestlers are so good at. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

It's the Big Three Oh on Three Way Theater as Mike, Lumberjake, and JC celebrate thirty episodes with our first ever WATCH-ALONG as we watch the documentary Beyond the Mat, directed by longtime wrestling fan Barry Blaustein. "Beyond the Mat," Barry Blaustein's honest, intimate, revealing, highly entertaining, and critically acclaimed behind-the-scenes look at wrestling, takes viewers beyond the ring and into the lives of the men and women who inhabit this colorful, competitive, and surprisingly complex world. While the boys watch the film they discuss the first time they watched Beyond The Mat, Terry Funk's numerous retirements, "The Extreme Enforcer" Paul Richards™ and the cult-like mentality of Paul Heyman, while also having a hardcore debate over tongue rings. Beyond the Mat is currently available to watch online at Amazon Video to rent or purchase. It may also be available through other means, if you know where to look on the internet. *wink wink* Like! Comment! Subscribe! Share! Listen and download RIGHT NOW on Podbean, iTunes, TuneIn, Stitcher Radio and ThreeWayTheater.com!

Writer, movie producer, and director Barry Blaustein is the guest on this week's episode of The Chauncey DeVega Show. Barry is the writer of such great comedies as Coming to America, The Nutty Professor, and Boomerang. Barry also helped to write Eddie Murphy's legendary skits on the TV show Saturday Night Live. And of course, Barry Blaustein narrated and produced the amazing documentary about professional wrestling Beyond the Mat.  During this episode of The Chauncey DeVega Show, Barry and Chauncey discuss their shared love of professional wrestling, how Donald Trump is a performance artist, how he made Beyond the Mat, what it was like trying to tell the true life behind the scenes stories of the (then) World Wrestling Federation, talk about Jake "the Snake" Roberts, and some of the "good" and "bad" things about professional wrestling today. Barry also shares some stories about working with and writing for Eddie Murphy as well as the challenge of being creative for a living.  Jared Yates Sexton is also a guest on this week's episode of The Chauncey DeVega Show. He is a journalist and writer who has extensively covered Donald Trump's campaign and now presidency. This is the third time that Jared has stopped by the virtual bar and salon and he has some great stories to tell about how Trump and the Right-wing media are causing violence and other problems within families and communities, offers some thoughts about Trump and the Russia scandal, and ponders how Trump's regime may end. Jared also loves professional wrestling, so of course, he and Chauncey have to talk about the WWE and Brock Lesnar's upcoming battle with Samoa Joe.  In this week's episode Chauncey DeVega shares some insights about a crazy week that included an attack on a Republican congressional baseball game in Alexandria, violence by conservatives against Democrats, liberals, and their other enemies, and how a racist thug cop got away with the de facto lynching of Philando Castile.  At the end of this week's episode of the podcast, Chauncey shares a story about gun violence and other foolishness at Chuck E. Cheese restaurants in Chicago. 

Fresh off a quick run on the treadmill, Barry Blaustein, director of Beyond the Mat, caught up w- The Jersey Wrecking Crew to share his thoughts on this year's WrestleMania. Barry also discusses his latest piece on "Kayfabe" in the wrestling business for Nat Geo Explorer. Beyond the Mat is the holy grail of all wrestling documentaries and we step back in time to probably the greatest time to be a fan of this business, The Attitude Era! From Jake Roberts, Mic Foley, Terry Funk, & Paul Heyman there are stories galore in this latest episode.Like what you hear? Follow us on Twitter & Instagram @HighSpotPodcast and check out our Facebook page www.facebook.com/HighSpotPodcast

In the second episode of the Dodge Cast, we take a look at how a screenplay is crafted and what makes a good script. Thanks to James Dutcher and Barry Blaustein for their insight in this episode. Visit When The Page Was Black at http://whenthepagewasblank.com/ For more information on Dodge College, visit our website at www.chapman.edu/dodge To listen to more Dodge Cast episodes, visit us at www.chapman.edu/dodgecast

This week we take the chance to bang on about wrestling in a review form by covering Barry Blaustein's classic behind the scenes documentary 'Beyond The Mat'. As well as the usual capsule reviews, we're joined by Stacey with an S to discuss the Netflix series that has captured the attention of the world, Making A Murderer.

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Barry Blaustein is best known for having written such comedy classics as Coming to America, Boomerang and The Nutty Professor I & II. Blaustein recently penned and directed The Ringer, which stars Johnny Knoxville, and directed the critically acclaimed documentary Beyond the Mat. He worked as head writer and supervising producer on Saturday Night Live in the early '80s, where he wrote and developed characters such as Buckwheat, Velvet Jones, Mr. Robinson and Gumby.