ASCE Plot Points Podcast

Anna Lisonbee is a water resources professional engineer in training for Hansen, Allen, and Luce in Sandy, Utah. And while she is admittedly still early in her career, Lisonbee is not simply passing time waiting until she's much older so she can assert herself as a leader. She's doing so right now – at work, among staff, on projects, and with ASCE. Lisonbee is the president-elect of the Utah Section and has become a front-facing leader among younger members in the entire organization. In episode 180 of ASCE Plot Points, Lisonbee talks about her perspective on leadership, how standing front-and-center wasn't necessarily part of her original career vision, and why she's come to see passivity when it comes to leadership as not an option for her.

There are a lot of ways to get your message out to the masses in 2025. Social media, videos, podcasts. But not everyone can say they've shared their love for community and civil engineering with a mural. Akhtar Zaman did exactly that. Born and raised in Bangladesh, Zaman found a home in northwest Indiana. He's a principal engineer for Advanced Engineering Services in Hammond, Indiana – just outside Chicago. And when the company moved into a new building with a parking lot that bordered a blank wall, Zaman had an idea. In episode 179 of ASCE Plot Points, Zaman talks about his community, his profession, and how he brought this mural to life.

Rod Jones is a project manager for Holder Construction in Ashburn, Virginia. But even as he is progressing in his own career – ENR named him a Top 20 Under 40 in 2024 – he's acutely aware of attracting more people to the profession and helping others follow his path. He's an adjunct professor at his alma mater, Morgan State University, and his online “Rod the Builder” lifestyle brand – through YouTube and social media – inspires young professionals and students to find their passion in the STEM fields too. In episode 178 of ASCE Plot Points, Jones talks about how he found his way into construction management and why it's so important to him to share that story with others.

Isamar Escobar joined ASCE as a student several years ago. And since then, she not been a member in name only. She's ranked among the most active of active ASCE members, planning this event, chairing that committee.  So much so that even as a younger member she joined the ASCE Board of Direction as an at-large director. With ASCE Election season nearly here (voting opens May 1), Escobar talked on the ASCE Plot Points podcast about all her community engagement, how it's helped her, and why your engagement as an ASCE member and participating in the ASCE Election go hand in hand.

With the AI revolution upon us, it's easy to see technology and human beings on opposite sides of a spectrum. But for Duncan Griffin, director of sustainability for HDR's Health Design Practice, technological developments only enhance the possibilities for human healing and comfort. In episode 176 of ASCE Plot Points, Griffin talks integrated sustainable design and why a holistic approach to potential outcomes is essential to infrastructure.  

ASCE members know Rossana D'Antonio as a member of the Society's Board of Direction. She is the executive director for NV5, a global consulting firm. Prior to that, she was the deputy director of the Los Angeles Department of Public Works. And she's been very active throughout ASCE - especially in sustainability and advocacy efforts. But what you might not know is the tragedy that struck her family nearly two decades ago when her brother - a professional pilot - died in a plane crash. D'Antonio found purpose in her grief. She spent years investigating the crash, learning about the aviation industry, and working to ensure similar accidents never happen again. And now she's telling her story in a book. "26 Seconds: Grief and Blame in the Aftermath of Losing My Brother in a Plane Crash" publishes on May 12 and is available for pre-order today through Simon & Schuster. In episode 175 of ASCE Plot Points, D'Antonio talks about brother, the book, and what we need to know about aviation safety.

Tania Stewart is a transportation engineer for the Maryland Department Of Transportation State Highway Administration. Tania Stewart is a professional photographer whose work has taken her across the globe. Both things can be true. The multitalented Stewart has been able to pursue both careers – civil engineering and photography – at the same time. In episode 174 of ASCE Plot Points, Stewart talks about how she makes it work and why each of her passions tie into and help the other. Learn more about Tania's photography business. Watch Tania talk about her dual careers. Tania's first solo art exhibit, "Black Joy," opens Feb. 1 at 2100 L Street NW in Washington, DC.  

  The ASCE member mother-daughter team of Minerva Rodriguez and Isabella Salgado celebrated buying a new house last June in the very nice Altadena neighborhood of Los Angeles. Rodriguez, P.E., PMP, M.ASCE, the mentorship chair for the ASCE Metropolitan Los Angeles Branch; Salgado, A.M.ASCE, the social chair. Both professional civil engineers. It was a storybook situation. Until last week.  The Eaton Fire – part of a devastating series of wildfires in Los Angeles County – forced the family to leave their home abruptly last Tuesday night. Salgado shared her story with ASCE over the phone Saturday morning from a hotel room where the family was camped out for the time being. And in episode 173 of ASCE Plot Points, Salgado talks about what it's been like to reckon with wildfires way closer to home than she ever imagined.

It goes without saying. IRONMAN triathlons are intense. Cold-water swimming for 2.4 miles, followed by 112 miles on a bike, and capped off with a 26.2 marathon run. It takes someone special to conquer such a challenge. Perhaps someone like a civil engineer? Isaac Kontorovsky is a principal and vice president for BKF Engineers as well as vice president of the ASCE San Diego Section, and he recently took on IRONMAN California. Swim, cycle, run – all of it. And he found a lot of common ground between his civil engineering career goals and the challenge presented by the most grueling of endurance sports. In episode 172 of ASCE Plot Points, Kontorovsky talks about the why and how of his IRONMAN experience and why it might be more relatable to civil engineers than most realize. Learn more about Isaac and his journey at his website.

This ASCE Day – coming up next week, Nov. 5 – will mark ASCE's 172nd anniversary. And that's a very long time. For an organization to last for so many years, it needs great leadership and great leaders who give back. Jean-Louis Briaud and Knut Eriksen are two such leaders. Each is a member of the ASCE Foundation's 1852 Society, a very select group of people who have generously given more than $100,000 to the Foundation during their lifetimes. In episode 171 of the ASCE Plot Points podcast, Briaud and Eriksen talk about their career trajectories and how they came to find that giving back was the best way forward.

A new school year is upon us. That is a very exciting proposition for civil engineering students worldwide, for ASCE, and for everyone lucky enough to use and enjoy the infrastructure these young engineers will design and build in the future. But what's it like being a civil engineering student in 2024? What's the most exciting part? “Being a civil engineering student at any time had to be amazing, but being a student, particularly in 2024, is fantastic because of all the new opportunities and technology out there,” said Maxwell Fletcher, a third-year civil engineering student at the University of Florida. “We try to push the boundaries of what's possible with what we know. So being able to use new technology, new modeling software, and even AI to improve our work is truly incredible.” Fletcher is one of 27 ASCE Student Ambassadors this school year, ready to share with the world all the coolest parts about being a civil engineering student in 2024. ASCE Student Ambassadors represent ASCE on their campuses and through social media, promoting Society events and resources that can help their fellow students advance their careers. It's an exciting group of future leaders and an exciting time to be a civil engineering student. “We're in an age where civil engineering is, honestly, boundless,” Fletcher said. “I'm very excited for what the future holds for my career and everyone else I'm in school with.” Fletcher joined fellow ASCE Student Ambassadors Mariana Vega, a civil engineering and surveying student at New Mexico State University, and Cing Kim, a civil engineering student at Illinois Tech, on the ASCE Plot Points podcast to discuss their favorite aspects of 2024 civil engineering student life.

Artificial intelligence is changing the way civil engineering gets done. Ayanna Howard, Ph.D., serves as the dean of The Ohio State University College of Engineering and has been on the cutting edge of AI research for more than three decades. Named one of the most powerful women engineers in the world by Business Insider and a top 50 woman in tech by Forbes, Howard also will deliver the keynote at the ASCE 2024 Convention Oct. 6-9 in Tampa, Florida. In episode 169 of the ASCE Plot Points podcast, Howard talks about her history researching AI and what civil engineers can expect from the technology now and into the future.

Christine Rice, P.E., M.ASCE, is a project engineer for Wood Rodgers in Sacramento, California, and former governor for ASCE's Region 9. But as of last week, her resume might have a new top line: game-show contestant. Rice competed on the June 3 episode of “Weakest Link,” hosted by Jane Lynch on NBC. She brought all of her civil engineering knowledge and experience with her. Would it be enough to prove that she was not the weakest link? In episode 168 of the ASCE Plot Points podcast, Rice details her “Weakest Link” experience and explains how being a civil engineer turns out to be a huge help on a game show.

May in Washington D.C., means United For Infrastructure Week. ASCE marked the occasion by releasing a new economic study called Bridging the Gap, analyzing the additional potential costs to both the U.S. GDP and the American taxpayer if IIJA levels of infrastructure investment aren't continued beyond 2026. Infrastructure Week also is a great opportunity for collaboration. Case in point: ASCE and the Global Infrastructure Investor Association, an organization representing the private sector on a global scale. In episode 167 of ASCE Plot Points, ASCE President Marsia Geldert-Murphey talks with Jon Phillips, CEO of GIIA, about the effects of IIJA on America's infrastructure and where the United States stands on the global stage in terms of attracting private investment dollars.

Diniece Mendes is director for freight mobility at the New York City Department of Transportation and serves on the ASCE Transportation and Development Institute's Board of Governors. She's also – as of this spring – a movie star. Mendes is one of five ASCE members to feature in the new IMAX film Cities of the Future, playing on giant screens around the world. In episode 166 of ASCE Plot Points, Mendes talks about the movie experience, living and working in New York, and what she sees as the most important things that civil engineers need to do to bring the cities of the future to life.  

Los Angeles is No. 1 on the 2024 list of ASCE Best Places for Civil Engineers. That's three straight years for L.A., if you're keeping track at home. So what's the city's secret to success? What's so special about the civil engineering scene there? Ruwanka Purasinghe, P.E., M.ASCE, civil engineering associate for the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power and president-elect of the ASCE Los Angeles Section, has some answers. In episode 165 of ASCE Plot Points, Purasinghe talks about, yes, what makes Los Angeles such a great place for civil engineers.

Aaron Shavel is New York through and through. Born and raised there – and now works as a project manager for TCE, specializing in rail infrastructure. And New York breeds a certain kind of toughness. Where did Shavel learn his civil engineering toughness? From his civil engineering mom. In episode 164 of ASCE Plot Points, Shavel talks about growing up around his mom's civil engineering projects as a kid and why he thinks now is a golden age for civil engineering.

Erin Novini has blended chemical engineering with environmental engineering as an engineering specialist for consulting firm Trihydro since 2005. And in that nearly two-decade span, she's seen sustainability develop in the corporate world quite a bit. In the conclusion of the ASCE Environmental and Water Resources Institute Environmental Health and Water Quality Committee's sustainability miniseries, Novini discusses her career, her work, and how she sees sustainability playing in the corporate space.

It's part two of the ASCE Environmental and Water Resources Institute Environmental Health and Water Quality Committee's sustainability mini-series on the ASCE Plot Points podcast. Christopher Chini started his undergrad studies at Texas A&M majoring in computer science. But found he wanted to make a more tangible, direct impact on communities and on the environment. Today, he's a research scientist at the Pacific Northwest National Labs and a former chair of the EWRI Sustainability Committee. And in episode 162 of ASCE Plot Points, Chini talks with guest hosts Brianne Duncan and Wendy Cohen about his sustainability work.

This Earth Day, the ASCE Environmental and Water Resources Institute's Environmental Health and Water Quality Committee is a launching a sustainability mini-series on ASCE Plot Points. Three podcasts this week; three different sustainability professionals discussing how they've navigated their careers to keep issues of sustainability at the forefront. Up first is Emily Grubert, Ph.D., P.E., M.ASCE, associate professor of sustainable energy policy in the Keough School of Global Affairs at the University of Notre Dame.

Is civil engineering leadership about people? Or is civil engineering leadership about technical expertise? Yes. Civil engineering leadership is all of that and more in 2024. Lauren Taylor is a great example of civil engineering leader in the modern era, blending people skills with project management. Taylor Taylor works for WSP, based in Austin, Texas, as the Texas planning and advisory services lead. Last month, she was named an ENR Top 20 under 40 young professional. In episode 160 of ASCE Plot Points, Taylor discusses her approach to civil engineering leadership and why she loves it.

“We all want to do something that matters,” Isabella Salgado says. She is a civil engineer for the City of Los Angeles Bureau of Engineering and the social activities chair for the ASCE Los Angeles Younger Member Forum. And one way she's found recently to connect to something larger is advocating for the profession as part of the ASCE Legislative Fly-In. In episode 159 of ASCE Plot Points, Salgado talks about her eye-opening trip to Washington, DC (including meeting one of her idols), and how she's following in the footsteps of her civil engineering mother, Minerva Rodriguez.

Travis St. Louis and Michael Palmer are evangelists of sorts for modular construction and design. Each took their backgrounds in architectural engineering and moved into the modular construction practice from different angles – St. Louis on more of the civil engineering side as an enclosure engineer and associate principal for Simpson, Gumpertz, and Heger based in Oakland, California; and Palmer more on the business side as head of strategy and real estate for the Volumetric Building Companies, headquartered in Philadelphia. In episode 158 of ASCE Plot Points, St. Louis and Palmer discuss all things modular, and why it might be the future of construction.

Alyssa Sooklal, P.E., M.ASCE, has accomplished a lot early in her career. She works as a water resources engineer for McCormick Taylor in Baltimore, and serves as president of ASCE's Maryland Younger Members Group. But it hasn't come without moments of frustration or insecurity. Office politics are a real thing, especially when you're a woman in the civil engineering industry – and especially if you're a woman sensing competition with other women in your industry. It's not always easy to navigate. In episode 157 of ASCE Plot Points, Sooklal discusses how she's worked to avoid those situations and focused on building partnerships not rivalries.

Can you be a good parent and a good engineer at the same time? Ravi Shah thinks so. Or at least he's trying his best to do both. Shah is a longtime active ASCE member in Orange County, California, where also works as a senior project manager for Mark Thomas. And more recently, he's a father. In episode 156 of ASCE Plot Points, Ravi Shah talks about work-life balance and what he's learned about juggling priorities.

Even in this era of Bipartisan Infrastructure Law funding, every project can use more money. It's why grant writing is such a valuable skill in the world of civil engineering. Rebecca Neilon is a senior transportation engineer in Dewberry's Sacramento office. And over the years she has developed a reputation of sorts as a go-to for grant writing. She has proven herself as someone who delivers the goods – she writes proposals and she wins grants. In episode 155 of ASCE Plot Points, Rebecca Neilon outlines the skills it takes to consistently win grants to help fund your project.

In episode 154 of ASCE Plot Points, we celebrate the season of gratitude by hearing what civil engineers are thankful for this Thanksgiving.

Shofiq Ahmed was a 2023 ASCE New Face of Civil Engineering honoree. So it's clear that the traffic engineer for HDR, born in Bangladesh and now based outside Washington, DC, has made quite a name for himself. But it hasn't always been easy. In episode 153 of ASCE Plot Points, he reflects on his journey and talks about how he's adjusted his goals and plans along the way to stay on the path of success and happiness.

A new book from ASCE Press called IRP 8, Infrastructure System Resilience: An Engineering Framework for Assessment, Management, and Governance, breaks the big picture of system resilience into interlinked elements, making application much easier for practitioners. It's a strong case for incremental progress in the face of complex and complicated problems. Craig Davis is a founding director of ASCE's Infrastructure Resilience Division and the book's lead editor. In episode 152 of ASCE Plot Points, he explains the eight elements of infrastructure system resilience and how practitioners can begin to employ this framework in their projects.

The best thing you can do for your career is to make consistently smart, thoughtful decisions that align with what you are trying to accomplish in this life. But what exactly are you trying to accomplish? What makes you happy? Who are you? Nalah Williams is still early in her career, but she's already got a great understanding of herself. She's the owner Golden Mane Property Management in Dallas, Texas; she's been active in the ASCE Dallas Branch as deputy treasurer and younger member chair; and she's a past governor of the Construction Institute's Young Professionals Council. All of this has been done with an eye on who she is, what she likes, what she doesn't like, what she's good at – crucial learning opportunities as she builds her own unique career arc. In episode 151 of ASCE Plot Points, Williams talks about the experiences that have helped her shape her career and how knowing who she is has guided those decisions.

ities of the Future, a new film for IMAX and giant screens, is on its way. The second in a partnership between ASCE and MacGillivray Freeman Films, following 2017's rousing success Dream Big: Engineering Our World, the film is scheduled to premiere in early 2024. Cities of the Future, inspired in part by ASCE's Future World Vision initiative, takes viewers into the future of what's possible for our built environment. Several ASCE members feature in the film, including Paul Lee, a young engineer from Los Angeles who has spent his career fighting climate change through different renewable energy and sustainability projects. In episode 150 of ASCE Plot Points, Lee talks about his work and what it has been like filming a new movie all around the world.

Julia Williams has never done anything exactly as you might expect. So when she got her Ph.D. in English, she took a professor job at the Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology and has spent the past decades teaching writing and communication skills to STEM majors. And now she's written a book about her experiences innovating and shaking things up in academia. It's called “Making Changes in STEM Education: The Change Makers Toolkit.” In episode 149 of ASCE Plot Points, Williams talks about her new book and why teaching communication skills to STEM majors is so important.

Matthew Low is the chief operating officer for Hoyle Tanner and Associates, based in Manchester, New Hampshire, and with regional offices in Florida and throughout New England. But he didn't always have his eye on leadership. He grew into it – learning where his specific interests and talents lay and working to build his skillset from there. In episode 148 of ASCE Plot Points, Low talks about his career path into leadership and why taking proactive steps in your career always is the best plan.

The competition for civil engineering talent right now is well-documented. And in an industry still coming out of the pandemic shake-up, that means innovation and efficiency are paramount. In episode 147 of ASCE Plot Points, the Georgia Department of Transportation's Donn Digamon, a state bridge engineer, and Ahsha McQuain, a civil engineer, talk about how they've continued innovating and motivating during the often-tumultuous 2020s.

The 2023 ASCE Architectural Engineering Institute International Student Design Competition challenged student teams to consider a real building – the five-story Kaleideum North in Winston-Salem, North Carolina – and innovatively design it as a living building as it is retrofit into a new children's museum. This includes all kinds of considerations – including green design elements, energy performance optimization, and embodied carbon reduction. And this year, the multidisplinary team from Penn State took first place in two categories – building integration and construction – and second place in the other three categories. In episode 146 of ASCE Plot Points, Penn State team lead Jordan Kubenik talks about how the Nittany Lions managed such a massive project and how it's helped her get a jumpstart on her career this summer.

It's another week of work for Jose Abinazar, a project designer for Gannett Fleming in Miami, Florida. But the journey to get to this work week wasn't so simple. His civil engineering college experience in Venezuela was interrupted; his family fled political turmoil and moved to Miami; Jose had to learn a new language, find a job, find a new school, and start all over again. But he made it work. In episode 145 of ASCE Plot Points, Abinazar reflects on his civil engineering story and why he won't ever stop looking for the next chapter to write.

With the first ASCE Civil Engineering Student Championships approaching this weekend, June 10-12 at the University of Wisconsin–Platteville, there is an interesting drama playing out with the University of South Alabama concrete canoe team. Longtime faculty adviser for the South Alabama ASCE student chapter Eric Steward, Ph.D., P.E., M.ASCE, made a promise to his students a decade ago. If a South Alabama student team ever advanced to a Society-wide competition, he said, he'd commemorate the accomplishment with … a tattoo. Ten years later, South Alabama has made the finals in steel bridge and concrete canoe. In episode 144 of ASCE Plot Points, Steward discusses the value in ASCE student competitions and how this tattoo promise is going to play out.

As noted in a recent Civil Engineering magazine article, the civil engineering industry is still sorting out whether work-from-home arrangements established at the outset of the COVID pandemic remain viable as life moves forward into something like normalcy. For Christopher Seigel, a civil engineer with Sci-Tek Consultants in Philadelphia, working from home has been a net positive. In episode 143 of ASCE Plot Points, Seigel discusses all angles of working from home for civil engineers and why he thinks it may simply be the way of the future.

This week's episode of the ASCE Plot Points podcast is the first of what we're calling Student Sessions. Three ASCE student ambassadors – Alysha Curtis of Fresno State, Peter Yu of the University of Washington, and Evan Brittenham of Western Kentucky University – talk about what thrills them and what intimidates them as they get ready to trade the grad cap for a hardhat.

ASCE has been publishing its Best Places to Be a Civil Engineer rankings for four years now, based on a combination of salary data, civil engineering job opportunities, and cost of living. And over that span, the city that has risen the most up the list might surprise you. It's a city known for its climate, its beaches, and now its civil engineering. It's San Diego, California, and in episode 141 of ASCE Plot Points, Vanessa Eslava, A.M.ASCE, a transportation engineer for T.Y. Lin, talks about what makes her hometown so special.

Dimitrios Athanasiou, Ph.D., E.I.T., A.M.ASCE, is a senior associate of environmental and earth sciences at Exponent in Bellevue, Washington; he has a Ph.D. from Texas Tech in civil engineering; and he's the co-chair of the ASCE EWRI Seattle Chapter. But he began his education with a bachelor's degree back home in Greece in physics. So he has an interesting perspective on any comparison between the theoretical and the applied. In episode 140 of ASCE Plot Points, Athanasiou talks with guest hosts Brianne Duncan and Wendy Cohen of the ASCE EWRI Environmental Health and Water Quality Committee.

Kevin Brown, P.E., M.ASCE, is a construction services manager at TranSystems in Philadelphia and an adjunct professor  at the College of New Jersey. And as he's entered into the leadership phase of his career, he's approaching these opportunities with generosity and thoughtfulness. In episode 139 of ASCE Plot Points, Brown outlines his journey from student to teacher and talks about how he's trying to fill gaps for the next generation of civil engineers.

Infrastructure advocacy takes center stage this week with the ASCE Legislative Fly-In in Washington, D.C. Sarah Matin, P.E., M.ASCE, Orlando office principal for S&ME and chair of the ASCE Public Policy and Practice Committee, is one of the many ASCE members headed to Capitol Hill this week looking to keep the IIJA momentum going. In episode 138 of ASCE Plot Points, Matin talks about how IIJA funding is affecting work going on in Florida and what's next for infrastructure advocacy.

You never know how those engineering skills you develop in your career might translate in other areas of your life. Case in point: Jaffer Almosawy, P.E., ENV SP, M.ASCE. He's a project manager for GCW Inc. in Las Vegas, specializing in water and wastewater design. But recently, he's also become known as ASCE's Minister of Love. What exactly does that mean? In this special Valentine's Day episode of ASCE Plot Points, Almosawy explains.

Issues of workforce dominate the conversation around civil engineering in 2023. And one of latest workforce trends is the notion of quiet quitting. Jennifer Sloan Ziegler, Ph.D., P.E., M.ASCE, is an engineer and project manager for Cypress Environment and Infrastructure in Jackson, Mississippi, and an ASCE Region 5 governor. In episode 136 of ASCE Plot Points, Ziegler talks about quiet quitting and why she thinks it might be an essential strategy for the modern civil engineer.

Sustainability has come a long way over the course of Antoinette Quagliata's career – from project add-ons to default requirements. A ​manager of sustainability services for Dewberry, Quagliata, ENV SP, talks on episode 135 of the ASCE Plot Points podcast about the changes she's seen and how current sustainability tools are making her work better than ever.

Brian Brenner, P.E., F.ASCE, is a professor of the practice at Tufts University and a principal engineer with Tighe & Bond in Westwood, Massachusetts. He's published three collections of essays through ASCE, and he has a new monthly column, “More Water Under the Bridge,” on Civil Engineering Source. Remarkably, all these accomplishments – the teaching, the work, the writing – springs from the mind of a 4-year-old. Well, that is to say, Brenner fell in love with bridges as a toddler has managed to maintain that childlike wonder for his work ever since. In episode 134 of ASCE Plot Points, Brenner breaks down his bridge engineering origin story and why finding the humorous side of things is his natural writerly point of view.

Michel Bruneau, Ph.D., P.E., P.Eng, F.SEI, Dist.M.ASCE, returns to the ASCE Plot Points podcast to discuss his new book, "The Blessings of Disaster." In part one, he argued why learning from extreme weather events and other disasters is essential. In part two, he outlines how such learning can be done.

Michel Bruneau, Ph.D., P.E., P.Eng, F.SEI, Dist.M.ASCE, has a new book out today, “The Blessings of Disaster,” that argues the best way forward – if not the only way – is by learning from the extreme weather events and other disasters that beset us. In episode 132 of ASCE Plot Points, Bruneau discusses his new book, the “Three Little Pigs” fable, and why we must find blessings in disasters.

The ASCENT Tower in Milwaukee – at 25 stories – is the world's tallest timber building. In episode 131 of ASCE Plot Points, the architect behind the ASCENT, Jason Korb of Korb and Associates, talks about the unique challenges inherent to the ASCENT and how collaboration and innovation helped make history possible.

Duncan Wardle, former head of innovation and creativity at Walt Disney Company, will serve as the closing speaker at the ASCE 2022 Convention, Oct. 26 in Anaheim, California. In episode 130 of ASCE Plot Points, Wardle talks about innovation and how to do it.