Now More Than Ever

Joe Hagan is a writer for Vanity Fair. His reporting and writing have taken him from the jungles of Singapore to The 21 Club, and from “tanking” Beto O'Rourke's announcement to sipping white wine poolside with Jann Wenner and Annie Lebowitz. In this episode he takes us through all of that and more! His byline has appeared in almost every notable general audience magazine that MEN like your humble hosts subscribed to in the 1990s and early 2000s, including Esquire, Rolling Stone, GQ and many other now defunct taste making zines.  He is the author of “Sticky Fingers” the authorized biography of Rolling Stone founder Jann Wenner, and the co-host of VF's “Inside The Hive” podcast with Emily Jane Fox  Dave likes to focus on how his career could have been akin to this, instead of cueing in on the wild and wooly adventures his own career has provided – many of which have made amazing fodder for the show and for our guests. Follow us on our socials and tell your friends and followers about the show! Podcast Instagram Podcast Twitter Dave Instagram Dave Twitter Chris Twitter Chris Instagram  Show email: nowmorethaneverpod@gmail.com

Greg Bluestein is a reporter for the Atlanta Journal Constitution (AJC) an analyst for MSNBC and recently published the definitive book on the 2020 election in the state of Georgia - Flipped How Georgia Turned Purple And Broke The Monopoly On Republican Power. He is also a friend of the show, a mensch, and a fellow graduate of the 2021 CFP National Champion The University of Georgia!  With Georgia solidly purple, and set to be ground zero in The Battle to Re-Fight 2020 and the swingiest of swing states in 2022 and 2024, Greg has a front row seat to observe the strategy and tactics of the best (and some of the worst) campaigns and political operations in the country on both sides of the aisle.  If you want the straight dope on what matters, what it means, and who done it, Greg's book is a must read, and his Twitter, AJC work and Politically Georgia podcast are all must-follows.  Follow us on our socials and tell your friends and followers about the show! Podcast Instagram Podcast Twitter Dave Instagram Dave Twitter Chris Twitter Chris Instagram  Show email: nowmorethaneverpod@gmail.com

Roy Barnes (D-Mableton) served as the 80th Governor of The State of Georgia from 1999-2003 Barnes is a 1970 graduate of 2021 College Football National Champions The University of Georgia and a 1972 graduate of 2021 College Football National Champions The University of Georgia School of Law.  He was the most recent Democrat to be elected to The Governor's office, and the last in an unbroken string of members of the Democratic Party to hold the office dating back to The Civil War. He is also currently the only Governor not to be re-elected since the law was changed to allow governors to fill two consecutive 4 year terms in 1974.  Barnes was the youngest member of the State Senate when he was elected at 26 and served from 1974-1990 from Mableton. During his tenure in the state senate, Barnes served floor leader to Governor Joe Frank Harris, and was appointed chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee.  After running unsuccessfully for the nomination for Governor in 1990 - where he came in third in the primary to Zell Miller and Maynard Jackson - he served 6 years in the General Assembly from 1992-1998.  In 1998 he beat Republican Guy Milner 53-44 to become the 80th Governor of Georgia.  (Sidebar: This was Milner's third consecutive statewide race, in which he lost all three! He lost the Governor's race to Zell in 1994, the Senate to Max Cleland in 1996 and to Roy in 1998)  He was the most recent Democrat to be elected to The Governor's office, and the last in an unbroken string of members of the Democratic Party to hold the office dating back to The Civil War. He is also currently the only Governor not to be re-elected since the law was changed to allow governors to fill two consecutive 4 year terms in 1974.  As Governor, Barnes championed Ethics Reform, Education Reform and Transportation Funding, but his term has always been defined by the controversy surrounding Georgia's state flag. He accomplished something even Zell Miller couldn't, and removed the Confederate Battle Flag from Georgia's State Flag (officially the 1956 flag). Voters punished him dearly for it in 2002, though larger structural issues and party realignment, especially below the gnat line, played a large part in the 02 election.  According to the February 2004 issue of Georgia Trend, "Democrat Roy Barnes was one of the most powerful governors in history. His nickname 'King Roy' was an affectionate term accorded him by supporters because he knew how to pull the levers and make things happen in the legislature." In 2003 he was awarded the John F. Kennedy Library Foundation Profile in Courage Award link: Roy Barnes | JFK Library He remains managing partner of The Barnes Law Group

This weekend the boys headed up to their ancestral home of Athens, GA to see Ike Reilly and Cracker, and were met with a whole galaxy of characters. plus Very Uninformed Takes on the Russia-Ukraine situation. 

For our first Episode of Season 2, we spend some time talking about the mess at Auburn, our upcoming guests and YOUR College Football National Champion University of Georgia Football Bulldawgs. And by popular demand, we turn the questionaire on each other to find out the real answer to "REM or Outkast?" Connect with us on our socials: Podcast Instagram Podcast Twitter Dave Instagram Dave Twitter Chris Twitter Chris Instagram  Show email: nowmorethaneverpod@gmail.com

Way back when in 2020, we reviewed Mark's book, Sing Backwards & Weep, reposted here along with our condolences. Rest In Power to a True Seether King!

Joyce Vance has it going on. She is a former United States Attorney for the Northern District of Alabama. She is a professor at The University of Alabama School of Law. She is the co-host of Insider with former United States Attorney for The Southern District of Manhattan Preet Bharara, the co-host of #SisterInLaw along with several other women who are former US Attorneys. She is an MSNBC columnist and a legal analyst for NBC and MSNBC. She is a wife and a mother of four.  Her real passion is reserved for knitting! Just reading that is exhausting, but Joyce does it with pluck and panache, and if you forget it for a second, she will flay you with her mind.  She can be found on twitter at: Joyce Alene (@JoyceWhiteVance) / Twitter #SistersInLaw Podcast: #SistersInLaw on Apple Podcasts The Café Insider Podcast: The CAFE Insider Podcast MSNBC: MSNBC Author Joyce Vance The show keeps growing, so please help us by following our accounts and sharing with friends! Podcast Instagram Podcast Twitter Dave Instagram Dave Twitter Chris Twitter Chris Instagram  Show email: nowmorethaneverpod@gmail.com

Sean Duggan is an advertising executive and documentary film producer and director. His debut film “Keep It A Secret: The Story of the Dawn of Surfing in Ireland” about Irish Surfers, The Troubles and his journey through surfing is available now via NYC Doc.  Sean is someone who has become a good friend, and it is our pleasure to have him come on the show and talk about his journey as a filmmaker, and the process and story of his documentary coming to life.  Stream it now!  Keepitasecretfilm - Home Keep It A Secret The Film (@keepitasecretfilm) • Instagram photos and videos Keep It A Secret The show keeps growing, so please help us by following our accounts and sharing with friends! Podcast Instagram Podcast Twitter Dave Instagram Dave Twitter Chris Twitter Chris Instagram  Show email: nowmorethaneverpod@gmail.com

Brian Lyman is one of the best reporters in America. He covers politics and the legislature for The Montgomery Advertiser. Like Vince Lombardi before him, Brian is a proud Fordham Ram though he was not one of The Seven Blocks of Granite, the famous 1936 Fordham football team who's Rose Bowl hopes were dashed after they tied The University of Georgia!  Brian is also an autodidact who can recommend reading on almost any subject, has his own “Becoming Lincoln” podcast, and speaks truth to power whenever the opportunity arises.  He can be found on twitter at: lyman (@lyman) Becoming Lincoln Twitter: Becoming Lincoln (@BecomingLincoln) Becoming Lincoln Podcast: ‎Becoming Lincoln on Apple Podcasts Subscribe, Rate and Review the show. Recommend it to your friends, and follow all of our accounts. NOW!  Podcast Instagram Podcast Twitter Dave Instagram Dave Twitter Chris Twitter Chris Instagram  Show email: nowmorethaneverpod@gmail.com  

TJ Callaway, IV is the founder and CEO of Onward Reserve, an online and retail destination for lifestyle gifts and apparel. Named for a story about President Teddy Roosevelt hunting in Onward, MS and embodying the company motto of Live Authentically, Onward Reserve has become a lifestyle brand and menswear phenomenon with 12 retail locations throughout Georgia and The Southeast.  TJ is a passionate supporter of our shared alma mater The University of Georgia and of his hometown of Thomasville, GA which inspired much of the aesthetic (the vibe) of the clothes and the lifestyle accessories purveyed.  Onward Reserve Website: Onward Reserve Onward Reserve Twitter: OnwardReserve (@OnwardReserve) TJ Instagram: TJ Callaway (@tjcallaway4)  Onward Reserve Instagram: Onward Reserve (@onwardreserve)  The show keeps growing, so please help us by following our accounts and sharing with friends! Podcast Instagram Podcast Twitter Dave Instagram Dave Twitter Chris Twitter Chris Instagram  Show email: nowmorethaneverpod@gmail.com  

Mark McKinnon needs no introduction, but just in case you've forgotten who he is: He is the creator and co-host of Showtime's The Circus, now filming their sixth season in Washington, DC and battleground states throughout the country.  Mark is famously a former consultant for Democrats such as Former Texas Governors Mark White and Ann Richards, Former Louisiana Governor Buddy Roemer, Former Democratic Congressman Charlie Wilson (He of Charlie Wilson's War Fame) Former Texas Lt. Governor Bob Bullock.  In the late 1990s, he switched parties to be director of media for George W. Bush's presidential campaigns – leading the team who put together all of the paid media for both the 2000 and 2004 campaigns. (Both of which were won by W.) He went on to co-found No Labels, work for John McCain's 2008 effort and consult on HBO's The Newsroom and Netflix's House of Cards, and work with U2's Bono  Mark was a fellow at The Harvard's JFK School of Government, and lecture at The Lyndon B. Johnson School of Public Affairs at The University of Texas. He is a member of the board of jurors  of The George Foster Peabody Awards (given by The University of Georgia!) He is also the former road manager for Kris Kristofferson, who wrote “Sunday Morning Coming Down,” and a personal favorite “Blame It On the Stones.”  Mark is also a style maven who like The Chairman, has a penchant for flashy clothes and The Drip, best exemplified by their dedication to Res Ipsa shoes. He can be found on twitter at: https://twitter.com/mmckinnon Showtime's The Circus tweets at: https://twitter.com/SHO_TheCircus Mark's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mmckinnon/?hl=en The Circus Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sho_thecircus/?hl=en No Labels: https://www.nolabels.org/ Res Ipsa: https://resipsausa.com/ The show keeps growing, so please help us by following our accounts and sharing with friends! Podcast Instagram Podcast Twitter Dave Instagram Dave Twitter Chris Twitter Chris Instagram  Show email: nowmorethaneverpod@gmail.com

This week we revisit our conversation from earlier in the year with the great Bob Kerrey.  Bob is a former Navy Seal, Vietnam Veteran and a recipient of The Medal of Honor. His wit and wisdom really shine through in every topic we discuss – he maintains a sort of detached insouciance, which can only come with facing mortality and understanding your particular place in the world.  We cover everything from his early life in Nebraska, his decision to join the Navy; leaving his post-service business career to run for Governor and US Senate – winning each time he ran; His campaign for President, and his experience as a member of the 9/11 Commission.  When I Was A Young Man: A Memoir  Follow our accounts to help us spread the word about the show: Podcast Instagram Podcast Twitter Dave Instagram Dave Twitter Chris Twitter Chris Instagram  Show email: nowmorethaneverpod@gmail.com

John Hammontree is the co-founder of Reckon South, Executive Producer of the National Murrow Award-winning series Reckon Radio and host of The Reckon Interview Podcast. He is also a proud new father of a healthy baby boy! You can find his work at: Reckon South Website: https://reckonsouth.com/ Reckon Twitter:https://twitter.com/reckonsouth Reckon Insta:https://www.instagram.com/reckonsouth/ Reckon Interview Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/reckon-interview/id1471345686 John's Twitter: @johnhammontree John's Instagram: @birminghamontree The show keeps growing, so please help us by following our accounts and sharing with friends! Podcast Instagram Podcast Twitter Dave Instagram Dave Twitter Chris Twitter Chris Instagram  Show email: nowmorethaneverpod@gmail.com

Bertis Downs is an American attorney, professor, and political activist. He is also the manager of REM. He is a board member at People For The American Way and The Georgia Alliance, among other political affiliations – especially those having to do with his deep passion and commitment to public education.  He can be found online: bertisdowns.com Twitter: @BertisDowns4th Instagram: bertisdowns Spotify: bertodowns The show keeps growing, so please help us by following our accounts and sharing with friends! Podcast Instagram Podcast Twitter Dave Instagram Dave Twitter Chris Twitter Chris Instagram  Show email: nowmorethaneverpod@gmail.com

Steve Welchert is a former Big Ten Lineman, Sly Stallone Stunt Man and Governor's Lobbyist based in Denver, CO. He is a winner of multiple Pollie Awards, and has been cited by Campaigns and Elections Magazine as a top regional influencer – and it is easy to see why. His client list reads like a “Who's Who” of Colorado, and includes former Governors Richard Lamm and Roy Romer, Senator Mark Udall, and multiple members of congress and mayors of Denver. His company's website is welchertco.com  He can be found on Twitter @steve_welchert The show keeps growing, so please help us by following our accounts and sharing with friends! Podcast Instagram Podcast Twitter Dave Instagram Dave Twitter Chris Twitter Chris Instagram  Show email: nowmorethaneverpod@gmail.com

Ike Reilly is a musician, bard, traveling minstrel, and truth teller from Libertyville, IL. His mien is as much Carl Sandburg and Studs Terkel as it is Willie Nile and Chuck Prophet.   His music both “solo” and with “The Ike Reilly Assassination” is a combination of wry wit, observation and a punk rock ethos bequeathed to him by his hero Joe Strummer of The Clash.   We can't thank Ike enough for coming on the show - he's a real mensch, and this episode premiering one week after we welcomed the former Governor of Alabama really exemplifies what we want the show to be about - powerful stories about real people from diverse walks of life, No Cap.   His new album Trick of the Light drops in digital and on vinyl later this fall. The singles "Racquel Blue" and "Trick of the Light" are up at Spotify or wherever you stream music.   He performs regularly with his Family Band on The Ike Reilly Quarantine Hour and is on tour throughout the Midwest this fall. Stay updated and check out Ike's music on, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Spotify, Apple Music & Youtube Stay updated with his tour dates at IkeReilly.com/tour and if he comes to your town, by all means get off your couch and go see him.  For the love of all things holy, follow us at: Podcast Instagram Podcast Twitter Dave Instagram Dave Twitter Chris Twitter Chris Instagram Show email: nowmorethaneverpod@gmail.com

Don Siegelman is Alabama's most successful statewide politician. He is the only person to be elected Secretary of State, Attorney General, Lieutenant Governor and Governor. He is also the only Governor from The Port City of Mobile, and the last Democrat to be elected as Governor. He takes us through his Zelig-like rise to the pinnacle of elected politics, and some of the characters and events that happened along the way.  You can find Governor Siegelman online: Twitter: @DonSiegelman Website: donsiegelman.org His newest book “Stealing Our Democracy” can be purchased via Audible, Amazon and any number of local booksellers in your area.  The show keeps growing, so  Please help us by following our accounts and sharing with friends! Podcast Instagram Podcast Twitter Dave Instagram Dave Twitter Chris Twitter Chris Instagram  Show email: nowmorethaneverpod@gmail.com

Jack Goldsmith is The Learned Hand Professor of Law at Harvard Law School, the co-founder of The Lawfare Blog and the “After Trump” podcast. He is the author of “In Hoffa's Shadow. A Stepfather, A Disappearance in Detroit, and My Search for The Truth,” about his life growing up with a stepfather who was named as The Number One Suspect in the disappearance (and presumed death) of James Riddle Hoffa – the longtime Teamster leader.  Jack, a former high ranking official in The Department of Justice, chronicles his life growing up as the son of a mafia-connected Teamster official who is surveilled, harassed and harangued by various three letter agencies with an interest in solving the Hoffa riddle (no pun intended).  We also touch on his time as Deputy Legal Advisor to President Bush, the presumed omniscience of government's monitoring of our electronic communications, and his newest project “After Trump” where he and Bob Bauer seek to strengthen current law and to encode certain norms into actually legally binding statutes.  Jack is featured in the new Netflix documentary, Turning Point recounting his time in the Bush White House in the post 9/11 era.  And if you listen until the end, you find out Who Killed Jimmy Hoffa? Jack's twitter: @jackIgoldsmith Lawfare's twitter: @lawfareblog Follow All Our Damn Accounts!  Podcast Instagram Podcast Twitter Dave Instagram Dave Twitter Chris Twitter Chris Instagram  Show email: nowmorethaneverpod@gmail.com

Eric Michael Garcia is the author of “We're Not Broken: Changing the Autism Conversation” and the senior Washington correspondent for The Independent.  He is a graduate of The University of North Carolina, a former reporter for The Hill, Roll Call, National Journal and MarketWatch, and a former editor at The Washington Post.  His favorite band is AC/DC. Learn more about Eric at his website: http://www.ericmgarcia.net/ Buy “We're Not Broken”: https://www.hmhbooks.com/shop/books/Were-Not-Broken/9781328587848 Read his work in The Independent: https://www.independent.co.uk/author/eric-garcia Eric's Twitter: @EricMGarcia The show keeps growing, so please help us by following our accounts and sharing with friends! Podcast Instagram Podcast Twitter Dave Instagram Dave Twitter Chris Twitter Chris Instagram  Show email: nowmorethaneverpod@gmail.com

Paul Bentz is not The Suns In 4 guy, but since he's the only person I know in Arizona, he may as well be. I also think he could take on two mooks trying to get dealt with in the stands at a game. Paul is The Arizona Capitol Times‘ Back-to-Back Pollster of The Year, and a partner with Higher Ground Arizona. He managed Governor Jan Brewer's Only Gubernatorial Campaign in 2010, and has been in demand for both his polling accuracy and strategic acumen ever since.

Greg Bluestein is a political reporter who covers the governors' office and state politics, and contributes to The Political Insider blog for The Atlanta Journal-Constitution's. Before working for the AJC, he was an AP Reporter based in Atlanta for 7 years. At The University of Georgia, he was the Editor in Chief of The Red and Black.  Greg Bluestein represents a little bit of The Road Not Traveled for both of your intrepid hosts, but more so for The Chairman.  As we discuss in the episode, both Dave and Greg possess degrees  in Journalism from The Henry W. Grady College of Journalism and Mass Communications at The University of Georgia.  They also both have an emphasis via said degree in “Newspapers.”  Chris and Dave met on the staff of The McIntosh Trail newspaper in high school. Greg and Chris both have degrees in Political Science. Ironies abound.  Dave is a political consultant of some renown, Chris runs a successful on-site rental and logistics business, and Greg is a reporter – albeit one who hasn't picked up a pica stick, or had to read a story over the line in a phone booth to get it in for the evening edition in quite some time.  So the next time someone gets on their high horse about “Liberal Arts Degrees” not preparing students for “Real World Jobs” you can point them our way.  We are also all Sons of The South, though the term has undergone a change in meaning in recent years, graduates of The University of Georgia, passionate about the politics and the media of our changing region, and about the success and failure of our schools' football team. (TYLER SIMMONS WAS ONSIDES).  Greg's a tremendous guest, a go to for reporters and others who want to grok Georgia's changing politics, and an all around mensch!  You can find his latest work via the AJC website: https://www.ajc.com/staff/greg-bluestein/ Greg's Twitter: @bluestein Follow All Our Damn Accounts!  Podcast Instagram Podcast Twitter Dave Instagram Dave Twitter Chris Twitter Chris Instagram  Show email: nowmorethaneverpod@gmail.com  

Ondine Fortune is the Founder and President of Fortune Media, a media buying company based in California. She is a longtime media buyer, who has repped almost everyone in the game over the years. She is hilarious, effervescent, the life of most parties, and serious as a heart attack when it comes to business acumen.  She is a board member of The American Association of Political Consultants.  You can learn more about Ondine's work from her website: https://fortune-media.com/ You can learn more about The AAPC and their board members here: https://theaapc.org/about-us/board-of-directors/ Please help us grow by spreading the word, and following our social accounts: Podcast Instagram Podcast Twitter Dave Instagram Dave Twitter Chris Twitter Chris Instagram  Show email: nowmorethaneverpod@gmail.com

Gabe Sterling is a Damn Good Dawg. Some folks in the UGA diaspora shy away from that appellation, but in this case it is the truth. He represents The University of Georgia and The Pillars of The Arch as well as nearly anybody in the public eye – and certainly better than some of the elected officials who claim to be part of Dawg Nation.  Of course he's much more than that – Young Republican Extraordinaire, Political Consultant in his own right, former elected official, candidate for office, and spokesperson for Georgia's Secretary of State in a maelstrom created by the President of the party he's worked most of his adult life to build and maintain in Georgia.  When that whole controversy was at it's height – when Gabe was telling President Donald Trump to “Cut it out before somebody gets injured or killed” a lot of people would ask Dave what he knew about Gabe:  “Gabe Sterling is the type of guy you make the banker when you play Monopoly – because unlike the vast majority of people you know – he's not going to cheat and slide money out of the till when you're not looking.” In other words, he's the type of umpire you want calling balls and strikes when everything is on the line." (The anti-Eric Gregg if you will?)  Most importantly, maybe, Gabe,  like your erstwhile co- host The Chairman has said “Go Dawgs!” on CNN. As the man says “it's the little things.” Gabe's Twitter: @GabrielSterling Follow All Our Damn Accounts!  Podcast Instagram Podcast Twitter Dave Instagram Dave Twitter Chris Twitter Chris Instagram  Show email: nowmorethaneverpod@gmail.com    

Bryan Burrough has been writing books digging into big business, crime and American Scandal for over 30 years. After our chat about “Forget The Alamo” he was kind enough to stick around for 20 minutes or so and talk to us about his writing, movie adaptations, and some specifics about his books.  He is the author of 7 books:  “Barbarians at The Gate: The Fall of RJR Nabisco” Vendetta: American Express and the Smearing of Edmond Safra  Dragonfly: NASA and the Crisis Aboard Mir (1998) Public Enemies: America's Greatest Crime Wave and the Birth of the FBI, 1933–34 (2004) The Big Rich: The Rise and Fall of the Greatest Texas Oil Fortunes (2009) Days of Rage: America's Radical Underground, the FBI, and the Forgotten Age of Revolutionary Violence (2015) Forget the Alamo: The Rise and Fall of an American Myth (2021, with Chris Tomlinson and Jason Stanford) Two of his books have been turned into movies. “Barbarians At The Gate” was produced by HBO in 1993. The film won both the Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Television Movie and the Golden Globe for Best Television Movie while James Garner won the Golden Globe for Best Actor in a Miniseries or Movie. “Public Enemies” was distributed by Universal Pictures in 2009. Directed by Michael Mann, and starring Johnny Depp, Christian Bale, Marion Cotillard, Stephen Dorff and Stephen Graham. It grossed $214 Million at the box office.  Bryan's Twitter: @BryanBurrough Follow All Our Damn Accounts!  Podcast Instagram Podcast Twitter Dave Instagram Dave Twitter Chris Twitter Chris Instagram  Show email: nowmorethaneverpod@gmail.com

Whether with his old firm and partners, Fletcher Rowley, or his “new” firm Counter Point Messaging, John Rowley has long been at the forefront of Democratic politics.  As we discuss, he has always made his living making ads for underdogs, state legislative candidates, and under the radar races – while often enjoying the lagniappe provided by a big, targeted Congressional, Senatorial or even Presidential campaign.  He's an advocate for his adopted hometown of Nashville, TN, a member of the American Association of Political Consultants and the President of The Southern Chapter.  John also gave The Chairman some of the best advice possible when he formed his company: “Anyone can have a good cycle, hang out a shingle, and get a bunch of clients. Most of them don't last 5 years. Do honest work for good clients, and you'll last.” You can learn more about John's actual work via his company's website: counterpointmessaging.com Follow All Our Damn Accounts!  Podcast Instagram Podcast Twitter Dave Instagram Dave Twitter Chris Twitter Chris Instagram  Show email: nowmorethaneverpod@gmail.com

John is an inveterate pollster, autodidact and numbers guru nonpareil. You'd have to dig deep and wide to find someone who knows both the current and historic trends in states across this vast nation as good or better than he.  There are indeed many rooms in the mansion, and John occupies his own wing when it comes to political origin stories. He literally taught himself sampling and aggregation – all the standards skills needed to be a pollster, but a good pollster makes them appear to be alchemical.  He's one of our favorite types around these parts: A Self-Made Guy, proud of his accomplishments and hungry for more.  He's also one of the better resources which fall under the umbrella of #electiontwitter  You can learn more about John's work via his website: WinWithJMC.com John's Twitter: @WinWithJMC Follow All Our Damn Accounts!  Podcast Instagram Podcast Twitter Dave Instagram Dave Twitter Chris Twitter Chris Instagram  Show email: nowmorethaneverpod@gmail.com

Sasha Issenberg is the author of “The Engagement: America's Quarter Century Struggle Over Same-Sex Marriage” which has been called “Part Grisham-esque legal thriller, part Sorkin-esque political drama, and part Maddow-esque historical yarn” by O: The Oprah Magazine Sasha Issenberg is the author of three previous books, including “The Victory Lab” which is about the evolving science of political campaigns' voter targeting and Get Out The Vote operations. He covered the 2008 election as a national political reporter in the Washington bureau of The Boston Globe, the 2012 election for Slate, the 2016 election for Bloomberg Politics and Businessweek, and 2020 for The Recount. He is the Washington correspondent for Monocle, and has also written for New York magazine, The New York Times Magazine, and George, where he served as a contributing editor. He teaches in the political science department at UCLA Sasha's Website Sasha's Twitter The Engagement on Instagram Podcast Instagram Podcast Twitter Dave Instagram Dave Twitter Chris Twitter Chris Instagram  Show email: nowmorethaneverpod@gmail.com

Erik Potholm is a native of Maine, and a partner with SRCP Media, a Republican advertising firm based in Alexandria, VA. His work has helped elected Senators, Governors, Congressman, and those who hold lower office across the country. He's also worked for countless referenda, initiatives and state constitutional amendments. He's not the flashy media consultant of political lore, but rather he has  the type of roll your sleeves up and get it done flinty Mainer work ethic that makes our country great – no matter what party you support. Podcast Instagram Podcast Twitter Dave Instagram Dave Twitter Chris Twitter Chris Instagram  Show email: nowmorethaneverpod@gmail.com  

Jonathan Martin, National Political Correspondent for The New York Times joins us for a lively discussion about how just showing up is basically the key to success.  We talk about his experiences as a cub reporter for the National Journal, jumping to Politico, and ultimately to heading up national political correspondence for The Gray Lady.  Along the way, he channels his inner RW Apple, by always finding the place where the locals go to eat – including Doe's in Little Rock and Bud's in Montgomery, AL along with our intrepid host The Chairman.  Follow Jonathan @jmartNYT on Twitter Podcast Instagram Podcast Twitter Dave Instagram Dave Twitter Chris Twitter Chris Instagram  Show email: nowmorethaneverpod@gmail.com

FORGET THE ALAMO? Not in this lifetime, Bubba! Ho, ho! Best selling authors Bryan Burrough and Jason Stanford join us this week to discuss their new lightning rod-cum-New York Times Notable book for the month of June “Forget The Alamo.” Stanford and Burrough (along with third author Chris Tomlinson, who had a scheduling conflict) discuss the factors that led them to write their book, the differences between The Heroic Anglo Narrative and historical truths, and how The Alamo is shorthand for deep seated pain and racism for many of their Tejano brothers. The book is thoroughly sourced, well written, and thought provoking – if you read it, you'll be taken by many of their descriptions of the battle of the Alamo, and the brutality of life on The Frontier, and the making of Texas as an independent nation and as a state. It's a complicated story that has been simplified into something like a biblical parable – and no one ever gets mad about what's in The Bible do they? You can order the book HERE Subscribe to Jason's Substack Chris Tomlinson's columns Bryan Burrough's website Jason Stanford's Twitter Bryan Burrough's Twitter Chris Tomlinson's Twitter Podcast Instagram Podcast Twitter Dave Instagram Dave Twitter Chris Twitter Chris Instagram

Dan Judy is a partner with Northstar Public Opinion Research, one of the top Republican polling firms in the country. His client list reads like a who's who of Republican politics and electeds from the past 20 years. Dan is a shining example of what we Georgia Men call a “DGD” or “Damn Good Dawg.” He's one of the few people in politics whom The Chairman “trusts implicitly,” and as is obvious from the interview a thoughtful leader in the worlds of both politics and public opinion research. Dan is also a mountain climber, and a through hiker of The Appalachian Trail. Ask him why he admires Corch Irving Meyers. Podcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/now_more_than_ever_pod/ Podcast Twitter:  https://twitter.com/NowMoreThanEve2 Dave Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thechairmanmow/ Dave Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheChairmanMow Chris Twitter: https://twitter.com/vescoisland Chris Instragram: https://www.instagram.com/chris_krauth/

Former Nebraska Governor and United States Senator Bob Kerrey  is our first interview with an elected official, and he does not disappoint!  Bob is a former Navy Seal, Vietnam Veteran and a recipient of The Medal of Honor. His wit and wisdom really shine through in every topic we discuss – he maintains a sort of detached insouciance, which can only come with facing mortality and understanding your particular place in the world.  We cover everything from his early life in Nebraska, his decision to join the Navy; leaving his post-service business career to run for Governor and US Senate – winning each time he ran; His campaign for President, and his experience as a member of the 9/11 Commission.  We even have friends in common, in that The Chairman's grandfather wrote the citation for the Medal of Honor for Paul W. “Bud” Bucha – though Bob does not have a picture of Bud on the wall of his living room.  And of course we discuss the clip (linked below) of Bob singing “The Band Played Waltzing Matilda” as his victory speech after winning the 1988 campaign for US Senate – which has apparently occupied more space in our heads than it ever did in Senator Kerrey's – and that's part of his particular charm.  We even touch on how rules and regulations around small business are “almost enough to make you a Libertarian,” but also how “Government is not broken, you just have to work at it” – such an interesting perspective from a 3 term statewide elected official and candidate for President of The United States.  Watch the most authentic and revealing video of a politician Dave's ever seen before you listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWaDkGXzs_M&t=140s  The song itself is a King Hell Monster of the futility of war, and how it grinds up young men, and leaves children asking “What are they marching for?” – and as Bob says, watch his kids' reactions behind him on stage.  Bob even named his book after the a line in the opening of the song, here's the Audible version of him reading it: When I Was A Young Man: A Memoir    Podcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/now_more_than_ever_pod/ Podcast Twitter:  https://twitter.com/NowMoreThanEve2 Dave Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thechairmanmow/ Dave Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheChairmanMow Chris Twitter: https://twitter.com/vescoisland Chris Instragram: https://www.instagram.com/chris_krauth/    

Carter King from America's Favorite Cosmic Space Country Band Futurebirds joins us today to talk about inspiration, band dynamics, pandemic plans, and whether Dave can manifest a tour with Futurebirds and King Gizzard and The Lizard Wizard using only his mind?  Futurebirds have been building up their fanbase, touring the country, and putting out records for over 10 years now, and always feel like they're just on the cusp on becoming a household name. With three strong songwriters, and a sound that's an amalgam of many things but doesn't hew to just being one thing, they can be a tough act to subscribe. But since the pandemic is over for you bitches (as long as you got that Vax) you can go and do the one thing that will make you a BirdsHead – go see them live.  The Chairman and CHRID have had the pleasure of seeing them live several times, in several iterations, together and apart – and every time they bring the heat. From Dave's kids getting onstage at the show at Waverly on Dave's birthday, to encoring with “Rocks Off” and “Six Days” on the road at the MMFA, going to see DBT with their pedal steel player, KIFFY, they're a fun band and a good hang.  Follow Futurebirds, and the individual members on Instagram for the Full Effect: Futurebirds Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/futurebirds/ Carter King's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cartezz_/ Daniel Womack's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_womz/ Brandon Miles Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bmah/ Tom Johnson's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tojodojo/ Kiffy Myers' Instgram: https://www.instagram.com/kiffysteel/   Podcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/now_more_than_ever_pod/ Podcast Twitter:  https://twitter.com/NowMoreThanEve2 Dave Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thechairmanmow/ Dave Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheChairmanMow Chris Twitter: https://twitter.com/vescoisland Chris Instragram: https://www.instagram.com/chris_krauth/  

Jack Goldsmith is The Learned Hand Professor of Law at Harvard Law School, the co-founder of The Lawfare Blog and the “After Trump” podcast. He is the author of “In Hoffa's Shadow. A Stepfather, A Disappearance in Detroit, and My Search for The Truth,” about his life growing up with a stepfather who was named as The Number One Suspect in the disappearance (and presumed death) of James Riddle Hoffa – the longtime Teamster leader.    Jack, a former high ranking official in The Department of Justice, chronicles his life growing up as the son of a mafia-connected Teamster official who is surveilled, harassed and harangued by various three letter agencies with an interest in solving the Hoffa riddle (no pun intended).    We also touch on his time as Deputy Legal Advisor to President Bush, the presumed omniscience of government's monitoring of our electronic communications, and his newest project “After Trump” where he and Bob Bauer seek to strengthen current law and to encode certain norms into actually legally binding statutes.    And if you listen until the end, you find out Who Killed Jimmy Hoffa?   Jack's twitter: @jackgoldsmith Lawfare's twitter: @lawfare   Podcast Instagram: @now_more_than_ever_pod Podcast Twitter:  @nowmorethaneve2   Dave Instagram: @thechairmanmow Dave Twitter: @thechairmanmow   Chris Twitter: @vescoisland  Chris Instragram: @chris_krauth 

Legendary political consultant and Director, The USC Center for The Political Future Bob Shrum keeps walking us through the history he continues to witness.  Last episode, Bob took us from meeting then-Senator John F. Kennedy as a high school student volunteer for the 1960 Democratic National Convention, on up to hiding below the stage to make sure the TelePrompTer didn't fail during Senator Ted Kennedy's concession/retrenchment-as-elder-statesman “The Dream Will Never Die” speech at the 1980 Democratic Convention. In Part Two, we talk about Ted Kennedy's loyalty and how it manifested itself in the “veterans” of his office always coming to his aid, a vast swath of Governors, Senators, Mayors and other elected officials, Bob's lowkey place in the pantheon of American gourmands, the continued need for good creative to do persuasion, and his deep and abiding love and admiration for his amazing wife Mary Louise Oates aka “Oatsie” – and her work in opening a homeless shelter in LA leads us back to that most southern thing of all: Football. It Just Means More! Dave does one of his favorite things, and invites a famous and accomplished guest to come visit him in Alabama, with the promise of a dinner at a Frank Stitt restaurant. This will continue to be a bug, until someone takes him up on it, when it will become a feature. You can learn more about Bob's work and the mission and programming of The Center for the Political Futuure via their website: https://dornsife-center-for-political-future.usc.edu/ Bob' twitter: https://twitter.com/BobShrum The Los Angeles Downtown Women's Center (for Oatsie): https://downtownwomenscenter.org/  

BOB SHRUM! He of “The Dream Will Never Die” and “The Shrum Primary” fame!   Bob is a legend in the business of political consulting, and a member of the American Association of Political Consultants Hall of Fame.   We had such a good time, and talked about so many people and events that we split this one into two for the audience to better digest the vast array of subjects we cover. Over the course of both episodes, we talk about everyone from former Alabama State Senator Pierre Pelham and former Alabama Governor George Wallace, to old bulls of the US Senate such as Richard Russell, John Stennis and James Eastland, The Kennedy Brothers and Carol O'Connor, Alfred Lord Tennyson, and TS Elliot, “The Gary Hart Corollary,” Al Gore, Dick Gephardt, Michael Dukakis, Zell Miller, Doug Jones, Frank Stitt and Wolfgang Puck, and Bear Bryant and John McKay and another 100 or so in between. You can learn more about Bob's work and the mission and programming of The Center for the Political Future via their website Bob' twitter: @BobShrum CPF's twitter: @USCPolFuture Our interest level and growth have been phenomenal. Please help us by following us: Podcast Instagram: @now_more_than_ever_pod Podcast Twitter:  @nowmorethaneve2 Dave Instagram: @thechairmanmow   Dave Twitter: @thechairmanmow Chris Twitter: @vescoisland Chris Instagram: @chris_krauth

Earlier this week we were saddened by the news that legendary political consultant Joe Slade White had passed away at the age of 71. Apart from being good at his job, Joe was also gracious with his time, mentoring a whole generation of consultants, and inspiring the concept for this podcast.  We spoke to Joe back in March of this year and are replaying that episode here with a new intro by Dave, memorializing his friend. Our condolences go out to Joe's family, friends and colleagues. Rest in power, Joe Slade White.  Joe Slade White's 9 Principles of Winning Campaigns    

Lively and informative episode featuring “TITAN” aka Michelle Coyle. Michelle is a veteran campaign operative and business consultant who has taken her Ivy League MBA Skillz and applied them to the world of campaign consultancy businesses, podcasting and really anything that fits her fancy – but not in any fanciful way. She is a no nonsense business person who helps people figure out their motivation, their path to profitability and realize their potential. Just listen to how quickly she gets Dave and Chris shooketh with her logic and understanding of the solopreneur world. She has worked for such luminaries as former Minority Leader and Presidential contender Richard “Dick” Gephardt (D-MO) and Democratic ad maker Julian Mulvey. *Official Bio Alert* Michelle Coyle is CEO of BGSD Strategies, a firm that trains progressive leaders in business basics. With 19 years of experience as a serial entrepreneur, management consultant, and angel investor under her belt, Michelle is the go-to expert for impact-focused entrepreneurs who want to grow businesses FAST. BGSDStrategies.com MichelleCoyle.com Queer Hustle on Apple Podcasts Help us signal boost – Subscribe, Rate and Review on any and all podcast purveyance platforms! We're on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, Stitcher, Google, Overcast and all them other ones, too. IG: @now_more_than_ever_pod Twitter: @nowmorethaneve2 Facebook: facebook.com/nowmorethaneverpod Website: nowmorethaneverpodcast.com Follow Dave: IG: @thechairmanmow Twitter: @TheChairmanMow Chrid: IG: @chriskrauth Twitter: @vescoisland  

“Y'all know The Doctor? Doctor John? Mack Rebbinack?”   Like another Show Friend from Show Business, Thomas “Doc” Sweitzer has had a front row seat on the stage with “bigger” consultants while carving out a very successful niche for himself.   Go to any big to do in the world of political consultants, and you'll find Doc holding down his niche – doling out advice to them who need but may not want it, and them who want it but may not need it. As becomes obvious throughout the episode, he's a contradiction, but not a contrarian who “takes what he does, but not himself too seriously.”   He's a bridge to the talent of a previous generation, havig worked for such pols as Jake Pickle and Charlie Wilson, and Bob Casey – “The Three Time Loss from Holy Cross” as well as the current US Senator. Doc inducted Bob Shrum and James Carville into the American Association of Political Consultants (AAPC) Hall of Fame, where he sits on the board of directors. He also has a posse. Dave has the t shirt to prove it, somewhere.   Help us signal boost – Subscribe, Rate and Review on any and all podcast purveyance platforms! We're on Apple, Spotify, Amazon, Stitcher, Google, Overcast and all them other ones, too.   Follow us and like our posts on social! IG: @now_more_than_ever_pod Twitter: @nowmorethaneve2 Facebook: facebook.com/nowmorethaneverpod Website: nowmorethaneverpodcast.com   Follow Dave: IG: @thechairmanmow Twitter: @TheChairmanMow   Chrid: IG: @chriskrauth Twitter: @vescoisland   Doc has nothing to promote, but he IS the type of guy who will figure out how to download the Riverside.fm app so he can record with us using his iPad! Be like Doc and go the extra mile to help us out!

Is bipartisanship dead? Can a Democratic operative consider John McCain and George HW Bush a hero? Does Barack Obama HAZ Jokes? How does a self-described “nerdy gay kid” become a Fox News and OAN contributor? Kevin P. Walling co-founder of Celtic Strategies and VP at Hamburger Gibson Creative joins The Chairman and Chrid to talk about the fight for Marriage Equality, Medicaid Expansion and how a desire to enter the priesthood dovetails with a career in electoral politics. Kevin's fundamental decency and humanity come across in a way that is rare and endearing. We also debut a new segment on the show, wherein we adapt the old Vanity Fair “Proust Questionnaire” to suit our nefarious purposes – so stay until the end to hear the answers to such questions as “Who is your favorite author?” and “What is your most prized possession” – Kevin's answers are straight 100! Twitter @KevinPWalling Fb: @kpwalling YT: Kevin Walling Youtube  

Our friend Jason Hammacher recounts the story of how a completely innocent and peaceful photography expedition turned in to harrowing, "holy shit, I might not make it out of this alive" detainment by the authorities in Syria.  This Bonus Episode is taken from our January 18, 2021 Episode, "Jason Hamacher's One Weird Trick." To check out all of our old episodes, visit our website at nowmorethaneverpodcast.com  

Colin Rogero is a dynamic, creative and hilarious admaker; and also our first guest to appear *on location* from another country. We chart his rise in the business including how his personal experience shaped his at-the-time controversial "American Nightmare" ad and his ongoing quest make the consummate Latino Superhero movie.   

Zac McCrary is a self proclaimed politics nerd and unapologetic "geeker-outer" on things like campaign merch and pro wrestling. He's also one of the top Democratic pollsters in the country and host of the very fine Pro Politics podcast. We talk about his journey through the business and the current state of play both in the South and the country at large as well as some war stories from some of he and the Chairman's campaigns they've worked on together.  Zac's podcast can be found HERE  

Rick Ridder has truly done in all in the consulting game and then some: numerous Presidential and Congressional campaigns, local referendums on marijuana legalization and baseball teams, a bevy of international consulting gigs in more countries than he can remember and even a brief sojourn as a record producer. It's a hell of a story and we were lucky enough to sit back and hear just a fraction from our new nominee for the title "World's Most Interesting Man" If you're enjoying the show, we want to hear from YOU: Subscribe, Rate and Review the show but also reach out to us on our socials to let us know how we're doing! 

Rick Perlstein has written four books that, full disclosure, we are big fans of here at NMTE so having him on to talk was both an honor and a thrill. We zoom around several topics from Carter to Reagan to Trump to racism, trying to trace the line that got us from the mid 60's to today. Not many of America's ills were solved, but we all logged off feeling a little more hopeful. If you enjoy this episode, check out our old episodes and Like, Subscribe, Rate and Review us at your favorite podcast depot. 

In a career spanning nearly 50 years, Joe Slade White has seen it all: From the Zoo Plane of the McGovern campaign to the underfunded Democratic House and Senate races of the 80's to seeing his longtime friend and client Joe Biden being elected President in 2020. Along the way he's picked up a trick or two, countless awards and an endless trove of stories, and we're lucky to have him by to share a few with us.  If you like the show please Like, Subscribe and Rate us on your favorite podcast platform and Share us on your favorite social media platforms--thanks for your support!

David Hill has written about gambling and his life for Grantland, The New Yorker, The New York Times and well, everywhere. He tells us how his upbringing in Hot Springs, Arkansas and his early career as a union organizer led to him being a professional writer and set the scene for his first novel, The Vapors. David is also the host of the Gamblers podcast and talks about the difficulties of telling those stories during the pandemic and his wild ride with Mike McCaskill of Gamestop stonks fame. 

Campaigns and Elections Magazine publisher Shane Greer lends us his unique perspective on campaigns from someone who runs a business for campaign professionals but doesn't work directly in them; media from a publisher who doesn't consider publishing to be his primary focus, and America from a newly minted citizen who was born in and grew up during The Troubles in Northern Ireland.  If you like what you hear, head to our website or your favorite podcast platform and subscribe, rate and review us. 

 Chris and Dave are back to talk about their soon to be released  interview with Shane Greer, the death of Rush Limbaugh and some upcoming guests and potential guests on the show.  We're making a big push to grow the show and this means we need YOUR help. Please, subscribe, like and review the show, like and share when you see us on social media and tell a friend. Thanks for all your support, it means the world to us. 

The power of storytelling in advertising is something that this weeks guest, GOP ad maker Ryan Horn believes deeply in. We talk about this, his career and his hopes for a post-Trump GOP, AND get his pick for the best crappy quarantine TV show.  Like, subscribe and tell your friends about the show and help us GROW so we can continue to bring you the Now More Than Ever you've come to expect. 

Did the Super Bowl suck? The commercials? The halftime show? ALL halftime shows? Chris and Dave answer these questions, plus "how to waste $35 at Costco" and "flat tops are are our new cooking overlords".  We'll be back with another interview show next Monday; in the meantime, what are you waiting for? Subscribe to this fine podcast and bang that Like button for us, thank you kindly.