Podcasts about penitentiary

The Queens of the Blues podcast celebrates the prolific female blues music from the early 1920's to present times. This show, entitled “Penitentiary” is entirely about Bessie Tucker.#bessietucker

While we wait for a firm replacement for Her Majesty's Penitentiary... one Dalhousie architecture student has been busy working on an afterlife plan for the Victorian-era corrections facility. She joins us to talk about her vision... and why she choose to do her masters thesis on the future of HMP. (Krissy Holmes with Mya Staubitzer)

Your eyes do not deceive you and neither will your ears, I'm back for my annual Mayors Fest Special!   This is a really special event, so I am joined by honourable guests and good friends Doddy White and Brett Hall for a chat and I let them choose the music, which is from all the bands playing that I can squeeze in such as:   Massive Wagons, The Virginmarys, Hollowstar, The Karma Effect, Takeaway Thieves, White Tygër, The Soul Revival, The Hot One Two, Not Now Norman, Blanco Negra, Waking The Angels, Doomsday Outlaw ,Alabama Crow, Rat Salad, Autumn Killers, Seize The Void and Lynus.   And! I managed to bring you a couple of exciting new releases from Matted and Kim Jennett's awesome new single can be heard here before it's released on 28th March!   I'm excited about this show, hope you enjoy it!   Tracklist: Massive Wagons - Ratio Massive Wagons - Night Skies Rat Salad - Preggo Alabama Crow - Open For Business Doomsday Outlaw - If This Is the End Takeaway Thieves - 13 Feathers  The VirginMarys - Just A Ride Hollowstar - Feel the Burn The Soul Revival - Won't Bring Me Down The Karma Effect - Testify  White Tiger - Almost Home The Hot One Two - Tue Me Down Not Now Norman - Go Hard Or Go Home Waking The Angels - Gypsy Queen Blanco Negra - You Don't Love Me Seize The Void - Pedal To the Metal Autumn Killers - Waves Linus - Shadows Matted - Material Kim Jennett - Dead To Me

A Walnut Wound is set in July 1795. A young girl is brought to the Grangegorman House of Industry when her family becomes homeless following their eviction. This is the third episode of the Flighty Creatures trilogy of short stories for podcast by Wexford-based writer, Sylvia Cullen. Inspired by women who dwelt in the Grangegorman Asylum, Penitentiary and Workhouse, these stories are set in the 18th and 19th centuries. Listen back to episode one, The Holding Room, which follows Asylum Attendant Muriel Hill facing a quandary when her patient refuses to have her image captured by the asylum photographer. Episode two, By the Spider's Bed, tells the story of an older inmate of the Women's Penitentiary, awaiting transportation to Van Diemen's Land. Flighty Creatures is a project of Grangegorman Histories' ⁠public call⁠. Find out more about Grangegorman Histories on grangegormanhistories.ie Illustration by Fidelma Slattery.

Dark history & a ghost story from one of the USA's most infamous prisons.  All around a most infamous figure, William ‘Red' Snyder.  How a murderously violent boy led to a calm inmate in West Virginia Penitentiary in Moundsville.  All the murders, riots and his ghost!---COMMENT AND READ ARTICLES CONTACT FORM

By the Spider's Bed is the story of an older inmate of the Women's Penitentiary, awaiting transportation to Van Diemen's Land. This is the second episode of the Flighty Creatures trilogy of short stories for podcast by Wexford-based writer, Sylvia Cullen. Inspired by women who dwelt in the Grangegorman Asylum, Penitentiary and Workhouse, these stories are set in the 18th and 19th centuries. Listen back to episode one, The Holding Room, which follows Asylum Attendant Muriel Hill facing a quandary when her patient refuses to have her image captured by the asylum photographer. Flighty Creatures is a project of Grangegorman Histories' ⁠public call⁠. Find out more about Grangegorman Histories on grangegormanhistories.ie Illustration by Fidelma Slattery.

The Holding Room follows Attendant Muriel Hill, facing a quandary when her patient refuses to have her image captured by the asylum photographer. This is the first episode of the Flighty Creatures trilogy of short stories for podcast by Wexford-based writer, Sylvia Cullen. Inspired by women who dwelt in the Grangegorman Asylum, Penitentiary and Workhouse, these stories are set in the 18th and 19th centuries. Flighty Creatures is a project of Grangegorman Histories' ⁠public call⁠.  Find out more about Grangegorman Histories on grangegormanhistories.ie Illustration by Fidelma Slattery.

Active gang member shares how he got diagnosed with mental health issues.

Active gang member shares how he got diagnosed with mental health issues.

Active gang member shares how he got diagnosed with mental health issues.

On this episode of Legislative Review, we take a look at the week ahead in the Washington state legislature. We cover the public hearing of SB 5355. This bill is aimed at improving safety for college students against sexual assault. Plus, proposed legislation that could change where juvenile offenders serve time.

8 Movies again, annnnnnnd here goes.
1. (Halls of Anger 1970) Calvin Lockhart, a young Jeff Bridges and Janet MacLachlan star in this serious look at racism and teaching. Ed Asner makes yet another appearance too.
2. (Skin Game 1971) Same director here as the first movie. Rockford Files and Iron Eagle star with Mom from Webster in yet another film having a heavy dialogue about racism. This one tries to Trojan horse it in with some comedy, does it work, let's see. Oh look, Ed Asner.
3. (Aaron loves Angela 1975) Where the heck is Ed Asner, sigh. Gordon Parks jr. directs this rad 70's film lookin at young love and race, using Romeo and Juliet as a basic template. Irene Cara is in the house.
4.(Hard Times 1975) Warriors director Walter Hill is here, making a film where James Coburn needs to not gamble so much, damn, There's Charles Bronson and boxing too. Bronson is glowing and so expressive, an amazing on screen presence, NOT. 5. (Special Day 1977) Oh my, Italian cinema can be tricky, at least the 70's Italian films that we have seen which are few, but whoa, tricky is a too nice way of saying there's disgusting treatment of women in these films. This film, though not perfect, is an exception, and with some unexpected queer content. Sophia Loren is here, as well as Marcello Mastroianni (who appears to be in every Italian film ever) oh also the dean from Animal House. Special Day is directed by Ettore Scola. Pretty epic stuff.
6.(Skateboard the movie 1978) Silly, dumb, quickly made cash grab about Skateboarding, that I really like and even own the soundtrack. If you like the subject, and fun B movies, this is a win for me, let us tell you all about it. You might have more fun listening with the commentary track on, which means you'd have to buy it, and if yer that interested, you probably already have it. Teen heart throb Leif Garret is here and is the only one who can't skate great. Here also is Kathleen Lloyd of The Car.
7. (The Outsider 1979) Heavy film here about the troubles. It sure got some great images on film in Northern Ireland. Brits out!
8. (Penitentiary 1979) This is final film of rad director Jamaa Fanaka that we get to review. Here Sweet Pea tries to survive prison. Please see also Emma Mae 1976. 
ok enjoy the show, thanks for listening.


Once ranked among the most violent correctional facilities in the U.S., the West Virginia Penitentiary housed the nation's most dangerous criminals—many of whom met their end within its oppressive walls. With overcrowded cells and a haunting history of violence, it's no wonder the penitentiary is said to be home to restless spirits. Join Anne and Renata on True Hauntings Podcast as they uncover the ghostly legends and dark stories that still echo through this infamous Gothic fortress. Who—or what—still lingers behind the bars? The Wraiths of W.V. Penitentiary - A True Hauntings Podcast SUPPORT THE ADVERTISERS THAT SUPPORT THIS SHOW Mint Mobile - To get your new wireless plan for just15 bucks a month, and get the plan shipped to your door for FREE, go to www.MintMobile.com/P60 Haunted Magazine - https://bit.ly/hauntedmagazine Tarot Readings by Winnie - www.darknessradio.com/love-lotus-tarot Follow Anne and Renata: Facebook: @AnneAndRenata Instagram: @AnneAndRenata YouTube: @AnneAndRenata TikTok: @AnneAndRenata Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

n this thought-provoking episode of See You In Court, hosts Robin Frazer Clark and Lester Tate sit down with Larry D. Thompson, former U.S. Deputy Attorney General, for a deep dive into justice, fairness, and the power of the legal system. During the conversation, Lester Tate shares a powerful reflection on prosecutorial discretion, recalling a case where a defendant was convicted of a misdemeanor—yet the prosecution pushed for a prison sentence. His perspective challenges us to ask: Is justice about punishment, or about the fairness of the trial itself? This episode is packed with wisdom on the role of trials in justice, the balance between civil liberties and public safety, and reflections from his new book, Quiet Counsel: Looking Back on a Life of Service to the Law.

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PENITENTIARY KINGPIN EPISODE #5_ ROXANNE WALKS AWAY WITH THE MONEY --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/joe-baker46/support

PENITENTIARY KINGPIN EPISODE #4 THEY KNOW WHERE THE MONEY IS --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/joe-baker46/support

PENITENTIARY KINGPIN EPISODE #3 ROXANNE AND LEAH LOOK FOR THE MONEY --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/joe-baker46/support

PENITENTIARY KINGPIN EPISODE #1_ ROXANNE MAKES HER NEXT MOVE --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/joe-baker46/support

This week The Bols discuss finding love in prison, marrying an inmate, Hustling too hard-are we missing out on life? A Lulu lemon theft ring and more!

It's official! Caz Parker is back with the awesome Tina C for the first of our Maid Of Stone Festival specials, following the first mega announcement of the line up, there is more to follow! Back with a veritable feast for your ears of bands on the line up and a couple of extras chucked in for good measure from Juliet's Not Dead, Decrepit Youths, Gin Annie and Molly Karloff. Tracks from bands announced for the festival cover all this mega lot for you: Black Stone Cherry, Stone, Broken, Michael Schenker, Sweet, A'Priori, Kim Jennett, These Wicked Rivers, Raven Age, In Search Of Sun, Sari Schorr, Jack J Hutchinson, Blue Nation, Battle Born with a couple of classics for good measure from Rainbow and Mr Big Give us a listen and go book tickets, it's gonna be mega!

With City sitting 17th in the Table, have they left it too late to make automatic promotion? More problems for Madrid and Mbappe as they take a beating at Anfield & More dubious VAR decisions after Aston Villa were robbed against Juventus Gary, Alan & Micah review this week's Champions League Fixtures Sign up to The Rest Is Football newsletter at therestisfootball.com  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Over two days in 1980, prisoners at a New Mexico penitentiary, angry at the conditions they experienced inside its walls, rose up against their jailers and wreaked havoc upon officers and inmates alike.  It would be called the bloodiest prison riot in U.S. history.  Over thirty-six hours, thirty-three prisoners were killed, eight guards were brutally assaulted, and hundreds were injured.  The prison would never completely recover from the unprecedented violence that took place. In the years since, the Penitentiary of New Mexico, known as the Old Main Prison, has gained a reputation as one of the most haunted places in the state. After hearing the true story I'm about to tell you, you'll understand why these traumatized spirits may still be lurking. Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico_State_Penitentiary_riot https://www.koat.com/article/new-mexico-state-prison-riot-1908/42746860  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtxL6C_dNKw  Report of the Attorney General on the February 2 and 3, 1980 Riot at the Penitentiary of New Mexico - https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/72933NCJRS.pdf New Mexico Corrections Department website - https://www.cd.nm.gov/divisions/corrections-industries/old-main/  https://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/devastating-penitentiary-riot-of-1980-changed-new-mexico-and-its-prisons/article_be64a016-31ae-11ea-a754-fb85e49fca77.html  Reports of hauntings at the prison -  https://www.codypolston.com/new-mexico-state-penitentiary-santa-fe-nm-more-witness-accounts-and-ghost-stories/   Sponsors:  Uncommon Goods - For 15% off your next gift, go to uncommongoods.com/once.   Links:  Patreon - www.patreon.com/onceuponacrime  Our Website -  www.truecrimepodcast.com  YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@OnceUponACrimePodcast  

Staff shortages at Her Majesty's Penitentiary have resulted in inmates being denied basic needs, according to emails obtained by CBC News dating back nearly two years. Cindy Murphy is the executive director of the John Howard Society, and spoke with us over the line this morning.

Chris Sharpe, a former skinhead prison gang member, opens up about his journey from gang life in a California penitentiary to becoming a successful tattoo shop owner. Chris shares how he was recruited into the gang, what life was really like inside the prison system, and the pivotal moments that led him to leave it all behind. Now fully out of the gang lifestyle, Chris discusses his path to redemption and building a new life focused on art and entrepreneurship. This is a raw look into the realities of prison gang culture, transformation, and finding purpose after leaving a turbulent past. #PrisonGangLife #RedemptionStory #CaliforniaPrison #ExSkinhead #TattooShopOwner #LifeAfterPrison #GangReform #TrueCrime Thank you to our sponsors this week: Prize Picks: Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/IANBICK and download the app today & use code IANBICK to get $50 instantly after you play your first $5 lineup! Connect with Chris Sharpe: IG:https://www.instagram.com/chrissharpetattoos/profilecard/?igsh=cnVwNGU4end1aWNv Tattoo Shop IG: https://www.instagram.com/purehearttattootn/profilecard/?igsh=YXczZjl6em1rcDBy Website: https://www.tattooshopmurfreesboro.com/ Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Presented by Tyson 2.0 & Wooooo Energy: https://tyson20.com/ https://woooooenergy.com/ Buy Merch: https://www.ianbick.com/shop Use code lockedin at checkout to get 20% off your order Timestamps: 00:00:00 Welcome to Murphy's Boro, Tennessee 00:04:41 The Crucial Role of Father Figures 00:09:40 Betting on NFL Stars: Mahomes, Hill, and McCaffrey 00:14:31 From High School to Gang Activity 00:19:10 First Night in Prison: A Dangerous Discovery 00:23:48 Understanding Skinhead Morals 00:28:48 Consequences & Identity in Prison 00:34:01 Surviving Prison Attacks 00:38:44 Surviving and Thriving in Prison: A Personal Story 00:43:29 Tattoo Techniques and Aftercare Myths 00:48:01 Life on the Streets and Struggles with Crime 00:53:00 Encountering Police Brutality 00:57:13 Finding an Unlikely Mentor 01:01:50 Mentorship and Second Chances: Transforming Lives 01:06:39 From Hustling to Transformation: Finding Purpose in Counseling 01:11:58 Embracing Spiritual Enlightenment 01:15:48 Chris's Life Story: Turning Negatives Into Positives Powered by: Just Media House : https://www.justmediahouse.com/ Creative direction, design, assets, support by FWRD: https://www.fwrd.co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Scrump and Drew talk about the Bloodline reuniting, The Undertaker's podcast, Samantha Irvin leaving WWE, Motor City Machine Guns winning the titles, Hangman vs Jay White, Bandido, AEW Fright Night, Orange Cassidy, Halloween, and more! Special thanks to Kenny Omega for the outro.   Patreon Merchandise   Social Media: Twitter Instagram 

Skip the banter: 00:05:50Where there is history, there is haunting & the Ohio State Reformatory is a prime example of a place with not only history behind it, but also many deaths. Throughout the 94 years it held prisoners, more than 200 people perished from disease, accident, murder or suicide. Many claim that very active spirits continue to roam the rooms of the large prison which remains open to the public & serves as an active stomping ground for ghost hunters.YouTube video of this story: https://youtu.be/VLshRhn-Tgw Skeleton blanket for purchase from Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/shop/crimeandcoffee2/list/2UNVF9JKQR2KG?ref_=cm_sw_r_cp_ud_aipsflist_P5X99V93MX6PBG9FFXJZ_1Support the showAll our links (YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, Merch, etc):https://linktr.ee/crimeandcoffeeFacebook Group to discuss episodes:www.facebook.com/groups/crimeandcoffeecouplepodcast/References available at https://www.crimeandcoffeecouple.com a few days after this podcast airs.Case Suggestions Form: https://forms.gle/RQbthyDvd98SGpVq8Remember to subscribe to our podcast in your favorite podcast player. Do it before you forget!If you're listening on Spotify please leave us a 5-star review, and leave a comment on today's episode!If you're on an iPhone, review us on Apple Podcasts please! Scroll to the bottom of the page and hit the stars ;)We appreciate you more than you know.Reminder:Support us and become a Patron! Over 60 bonus episodes:https://www.patreon.com/crimeandcoffeecouplePodcast Intro and Outro music:Seductress Dubstep or TrippinCoffee by Audionautix http://audionautix.comCreative Commons Music by Jason Shaw on Audion...

David Waldman continues to parse, annotate, and comment on Jack Smith's Special Counsel motion on Donald Trump, which unfortunately the corporate media disregarded and has already pretty much forgotten about. They say the devil is in the details, but so is this asshole, and it is the preponderance of these details that add up to Smith's case. Penitentiaries better brace themselves for the influx of demented sickos heading their way. The latest is Mesa County clerk Tina Peters, who vows to emerge untamed once she gets out in 9 years, as long as she has a nice mattress. Dr. Tammy Towers Parry, maced and teargassed on Jan. 6, just like the Founding Fathers, opened fire with a shotgun at a process server, and was killed in a shootout, unlike the Founding Fathers. Meanwhile, Marjorie Taylor Greene, still alive and unconvicted, envisions a world where Jewish space lasers and weather making machines coexist above the clouds, evading angels and tormenting Appalachians.

The Only Ones hit you with the most anticipated episode of the 4th quarter, the fall anime season fall 2024 anime premiere season, but first the Ones throw a couple wild punches in the name of integrity and consistency.The Rings of PowerThe PenguinUzumakiLet This Grieving Soul Retire

Steel yourself for a chilling journey into the heart of darkness at Moundsville Penitentiary, a former West Virginia prison notorious for its harsh conditions and brutal history. Join us as we unlock the secrets of this forsaken fortress and explore the spine-tingling paranormal activity that has plagued its halls for decades. In this episode, we'll delve into Moundsville's grim past, uncovering the tales of riots, executions, and the unrelenting despair that once permeated its walls. We'll examine the prison's controversial legacy and the impact it had on both inmates and staff. But Moundsville's story doesn't end with its closure. Brace yourself as we share firsthand accounts from visitors and investigators who claim to have encountered the supernatural within the prison's decaying walls. Hear their bone-chilling stories of shadowy figures, disembodied voices, and unexplained phenomena that defy logic. We'll also examine the compelling evidence gathered by paranormal investigators, from eerie EVP recordings to unsettling photographs and videos. Could these be proof that the spirits of former inmates and guards still roam the prison's corridors, forever trapped in a cycle of punishment and suffering? Whether you're a true crime enthusiast, a history buff, or simply fascinated by the paranormal, this episode will leave you questioning the boundaries between the living and the dead. Prepare to be captivated, disturbed, and ultimately left wondering: what secrets lie buried within the walls of Moundsville Penitentiary?

Get ready for a chilling journey into one of America's most haunted prisons! We're traveling to Moundsville Penitentiary, a former West Virginia prison known for its imposing structure and dark history. Hear bone-chilling tales of paranormal activity, from shadowy figures and unexplained noises to objects moving on their own. We'll explore the stories of infamous inmates like "Creepy" Karpis and the chilling experiences of visitors and paranormal investigators. Discover the theories behind the hauntings, including residual energy, intelligent spirits, and the power of suggestion. We'll examine the prison's grim past, architectural design, and the possibility of natural explanations for some of the unexplained phenomena. Prepare to be captivated and terrified as we uncover the mysteries of Moundsville Penitentiary. Follow Us On Social: Insta https://www.instagram.com/ghostpodcast Facebook https://www.facebook.com/RealGhostStoriesOnline/ TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@realghoststoriesonline

Steel yourself for a chilling journey into the heart of darkness at Moundsville Penitentiary, a former West Virginia prison notorious for its harsh conditions and brutal history. Join us as we unlock the secrets of this forsaken fortress and explore the spine-tingling paranormal activity that has plagued its halls for decades. In this episode, we'll delve into Moundsville's grim past, uncovering the tales of riots, executions, and the unrelenting despair that once permeated its walls. We'll examine the prison's controversial legacy and the impact it had on both inmates and staff. But Moundsville's story doesn't end with its closure. Brace yourself as we share firsthand accounts from visitors and investigators who claim to have encountered the supernatural within the prison's decaying walls. Hear their bone-chilling stories of shadowy figures, disembodied voices, and unexplained phenomena that defy logic. We'll also examine the compelling evidence gathered by paranormal investigators, from eerie EVP recordings to unsettling photographs and videos. Could these be proof that the spirits of former inmates and guards still roam the prison's corridors, forever trapped in a cycle of punishment and suffering? Whether you're a true crime enthusiast, a history buff, or simply fascinated by the paranormal, this episode will leave you questioning the boundaries between the living and the dead. Prepare to be captivated, disturbed, and ultimately left wondering: what secrets lie buried within the walls of Moundsville Penitentiary?

Get ready for a chilling journey into one of America's most haunted prisons! We're traveling to Moundsville Penitentiary, a former West Virginia prison known for its imposing structure and dark history. Hear bone-chilling tales of paranormal activity, from shadowy figures and unexplained noises to objects moving on their own. We'll explore the stories of infamous inmates like "Creepy" Karpis and the chilling experiences of visitors and paranormal investigators. Discover the theories behind the hauntings, including residual energy, intelligent spirits, and the power of suggestion. We'll examine the prison's grim past, architectural design, and the possibility of natural explanations for some of the unexplained phenomena. Prepare to be captivated and terrified as we uncover the mysteries of Moundsville Penitentiary. Follow Us On Social: Insta https://www.instagram.com/ghostpodcast Facebook https://www.facebook.com/RealGhostStoriesOnline/ TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@realghoststoriesonline

Johnny Bartolomeo, a former Hells Angels biker, takes us deep into the world of outlaw motorcycle clubs. Johnny opens up about the journey of getting patched into the Hells Angels, serving 27 years in federal prison, and running with the Italians inside. He shares his experiences of surviving some of the toughest penitentiaries in the country and gives us a raw and unfiltered look at the harsh reality of long-term imprisonment. #HellsAngels #OutlawBikers #FederalPrison #PrisonSurvival #BikerGangLife #TrueCrimeStories #PrisonGangs #27YearsInPrison Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Connect with Johnny Bartolomeo: https://www.instagram.com/official_johnny_bartolomeo/?hl=en https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSiDeaKR8KBaS3AzvN30pFA Shop his merch: https://27str8apparel.com/ Presented by Tyson 2.0 & Wooooo Energy: https://tyson20.com/ https://woooooenergy.com/ Buy Merch: https://lockedinbrand.com Use code lockedin at checkout to get 20% off your order Timestamps: 00:00:00 Growing Up in East Boston 00:07:36 Growing Up Idolizing My Father 00:15:18 High School Challenges and Turning Away from Drugs 00:23:11 Joining the Hell's Angels: Age and Requirements 00:31:10 The Media's Agenda and Personal Branding 00:39:39 Reflecting on Past Actions and Seeking Redemption 00:47:57 Reflections on Life's Turning Point 00:55:50 Arrested: The Beginning of a 27-Year Sentence 01:03:28 Filing a Lawsuit for Retaliation 01:10:59 Sentencing Impact: The Dramatic Courtroom Speech 01:18:38 Life in Levinworth Prison 01:26:00 Initiating Chaos at Lee County Penitentiary 01:33:01 Navigating New Prison Dynamics 01:40:44 Adjusting to Life at Fort Dix 01:48:10 Transition from Penitentiary to Fort Dix 01:55:14 Building a Personal Brand: Journey of 27st8 02:02:49 Celebrating Great Friendships and Life Changes Powered by: Just Media House : https://www.justmediahouse.com/ Creative direction, design, assets, support by FWRD: https://www.fwrd.co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In 1798, Kentucky established the Kentucky State Penitentiary (KSP) in Frankfort. Although prisoners were expected to remain silent, the state soon put them to work. Over time, those housed in the Penitentiary made shoes, plow irons, and an assortment of other items. Join us today for a discussion with a KHS research fellow, who will explain how the practice of inmate labor evolved over time and how it continued to shape Frankfort—and the rest of the state—long after the Civil War. Dr. Charlene J. Fletcher is an assistant professor of history at Butler University. She is the author of ‘Home Ain't Always Where the Heart Is: The Home as a Site of Confinement,” which was published in “Re-Visiting My Old Kentucky Home: Slavery and Freedom in the Bluegrass State.” For the Autumn 2023 special joint issue of the Register of the Kentucky Historical Society and the Journal of Arizona History she wrote: “Borderland Business: Slavery and Convict Leasing in Antebellum Kentucky.” Dr. Fletcher was awarded a Spring 2016 research fellowship at KHS. Kentucky Chronicles is inspired by the work of researchers from across the world who have contributed to the scholarly journal, The Register of the Kentucky Historical Society, in publication since 1903. https://history.ky.gov/explore/catalog-research-tools/register-of-the-kentucky-historical-society Hosted by Dr. Daniel J. Burge, associate editor of The Register of the Kentucky Historical Society, and coordinator of our Research Fellows program, which brings in researchers from across the world to conduct research in the rich archival holdings of the Kentucky Historical Society. https://history.ky.gov/khs-for-me/for-researchers/research-fellowships Kentucky Chronicles is presented by the Kentucky Historical Society, with support from the Kentucky Historical Society Foundation. https://history.ky.gov/about/khs-foundation Our show is recorded and produced by Gregory Hardison, and edited by Gregory P. Meyer, with original underscoring by Gregory Hardison. Thanks to Dr. Stephanie Lang for her support and guidance. Our theme music, “Modern Documentary” was created by Mood Mode and is used courtesy of Pixabay. To learn more about our publication of The Register of the Kentucky Historical Society, or to learn more about our Research Fellows program, please visit our website: https://history.ky.gov/ https://history.ky.gov/khs-podcasts

Melissa is back on the road and took time out to talk to us:-Being a mom and a rockstar-What music she grew up with and now listens to-How does she stay motivated on the road after all these years-Her thoughts on 81 yr old Mick Jagger running across the stage-Her wife is from Rockford, IL 'Rockford Rocks'-Why play the Kansas State Women's Penitentiary for her new live album     To subscribe to The Pete McMurray Show Podcast just click here

Yobo, Terry, Bobby, and Mike find themselves locked back up in the Penitentiary for one more fight (even though we said we would never fight again and it doesn't really make any sense for us to be locked up for a third time). Can Canon elevate the Penitentiary series to new heights? Can you eat an orange with the skin on? Will Yobo mention the completely outdated Hawk Tuah girl 15 times?! Find out on this episode of the bin!

Bridget, Caitlin, and Hilda cover "Wild Wolf" the final book in Caroline Peckham and Susanne Valenti's Darkmore Penitentiary series. This final installment from the world of Solaria has everything that you would expect: Chaotic battles, lots of sexy time, and a heart-warming conclusion for Rosalie and her pack. So don't miss out and listen now!  Join our Patreon for exclusive behind-the-scenes content and let's be friends!Instagram > @Booktokmademe_podTikTok > @BooktokMadeMe

Bridget, Caitlin, and Hilda discuss all of "Feral Wolf," book 3 in Caroline Peckham and Susanne Valenti's Darkmore Penitentiary series. Is the cliffhanger for this book really that gut-wrenching? Considering that the hosts lived through ZA 7, they know what it's like to have your heart ripped out and tap-danced on with spiky heels, so they have thoughts on the ending plus the full recap. Tune in now!  Join our Patreon for exclusive behind-the-scenes content and let's be friends!Instagram > @Booktokmademe_podTikTok > @BooktokMadeMe

Find me and the show on social media. Click the following links or search @DrWilmerLeon on X/Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube!   FULL TRANSCRIPT: Wilmer Leon (00:00): So here's a question. How does the false construct of race, and yes, it is a false construct or the real constructs of culture and cultural identity factor into our opposition to or support for a political candidate. Let's find out Announcer (00:26): Connecting the dots with Dr. Wilmer Leon, where the analysis of politics, culture, and history converge. Wilmer Leon (00:33): Welcome to the Connecting the Dots podcast with Dr. Wilmer Leon and I am Wilmer Leon. Here's the point. We have a tendency to view current events as though they occur in a vacuum, failing to understand the broader historical context in which most events take place. During each episode of connecting the dots, my guests and I have probing, provocative, and in-depth discussions about the broader historic context in which most events occur. This enables you to better understand and analyze the events and the impact that these events have on the global village in which we live on today's episode. The issue before us is, as I stated, how does the false construct of race and it is a false construct and or the real issues of culture and cultural identity factor into our opposition to and support for candidates for insight. Let's turn to my guest, Dr. (01:35) Chantel Sherman is a historian and journalist whose work documents deconstructs and interprets eugenic themes in popular culture, identity formation among African-Americans and reproductive apartheid in carceral spaces and within marginalized communities. Publisher of Acumen Magazine, author of In Search of Purity, eugenics and Racial Uplift among New Negroes, 1915 and 1935, as well as popular eugenics in television and film. Also, she's a novelist of Fester and Spill. Dr. Chantel Sherman, welcome back. Good morning. Thank you for having me. And as always, thank you for joining me. And I got to add, she's a very, very dear friend as well, so I get to call her Chantel, before we get to the question posed in the open, A viewer of our last discussion reached out to me and wanted us to elaborate on the issues of eugenics in medicine because many of us know some things about the Tuskegee study as well as Ms. Henrietta Lacks, but there's an awful lot more to eugenics and medicine than just those two issues. So starting there, particularly with the Tuskegee experiment, I elaborate, clarify what you know to be some of the misunderstandings about that, a little bit about Henrietta Lacks and then where are we with eugenics in medicine? Shantella Sherman (03:10): Sure. It's a loaded question because it actually has, the response is almost a series of volumes, quite frankly, but to synthesize this understanding, eugenics means what you're trying to do is create better people. And in order to create better people, you have to know what they're made of, what makes good stock, what makes good genes. And so what we've tried to do in this country through eugenics is to create better people by restricting who can and who cannot have children incarcerating people performing sterilizations for sterilizations on folks who we deem as unfit. And so it's not just about the body, but it's the body politic. So if I determine that you're poor, for instance, it's believed that poverty is in your DNA diseases are automatically in your DNA. And so black people as a whole, were considered to be contaminated. We are still considered to be largely contaminated. (04:17) We are a bad gene pool, we are a subhuman group according to science and eugenics. So based on this, studying any type of disease means studying black people, and sometimes it means injecting them with certain things. So with Tuskegee, there's been a bit of a revisionist history about these are black people who had syphilis and we simply did not treat them in order to see the development of the disease or the course of the disease over years. The truth of the matter is many of these men were injected with syphilis, and that's the original documentation that we don't necessarily look at. We have to get to a point where we're looking at the entire scope of information and data. Alabama, Tuskegee was not the only place where these syphilis studies were taking place. The serological studies were taking place in six different states and they were all connected to sharecropping or farming communities, sharecropping communities where the black people there could not necessarily leave of their own free will. (05:23) And then based upon that, you had a population that you could study, you could inject with different things. I've seen studies where folks are literally looking at how pesticides work by spraying cotton fields and leaving the black people who are working in the cotton fields in the fields so that as they develop lung conditions, you now start to talk about how black people don't have the capacity to breathe in certain places or they have bad lungs or these other things as if they're genetic, when the truth of the matter is you are experimenting on them. And so we've been the Guinea pigs unwittingly in this country for a long time, but because the stroke and the core of the information is based upon black people being somehow contaminated anyway, being less human, then we become like the lab rats or the little white mice in the labs where constantly we're having things tested on us and we don't necessarily know this. Then the scope of that becomes black people are 10 times more likely to have this. They're 10 times more likely to do this or to die of these conditions, or their behaviors lend themselves to these particular things. Wilmer Leon (06:39): When you said make better people, it was inferred, but I want to state the obvious. When the Nazis were trying to make the superior race, they were not doing this for the betterment of mankind, even though in their warped racist minds, they thought, so this was not altruistic by any stretch of the imagination. They were trying to make better white people at the expense of people of color. Is that hyperbolic on my Shantella Sherman (07:22): No, it's on point. I mean, the fact of the matter is if you consider non-white people to be subhuman, there we go. Or a subspecies. Let's pull this into America. When you say American, you're not talking about black people, you're talking about white people. That's why you have to add these hyphens, African-American, because America is the culture. It is also the race. It is also the health. It is also the patriotism. It is also the citizenship. And so this language becomes loaded. So when you say American, I'm looking at things that are talking about the American birth rate. The American birth rate is not going down when we're talking about black people or Hispanic people. So where in America is the birth issue? It's an American issue. It's a white issue. Wilmer Leon (08:15): It's a very white issue. And I'm quickly trying to put my hands on a piece by Dr. Walters here. I think I have it that speaks to this in the political context where, well, I can't find the quote, but he basically talks about, it's very important to understand that, oh, here we go. This is from white nationalism, black interests, and so this is your eugenics. On the policy side, if a race is dominant to the extent that it controls the government of the state defined as the authoritative institutions of decision-making, it is able to utilize those institutions and the policy outcomes they produce as instruments through which it is also structures its racial interests. Given a condition where one race is dominant in all political institutions, most policy appears to take on an objective quality where policymakers argue they're acting on the basis of national interests rather than racial ones. So that's Dr. Walters telling us, if I can just cut to the chase, when white folks run the show and they speak in the national interest, they're talking about their interests, not ours, and that's absolutely okay. Alright, Shantella Sherman (09:55): That's it. Wilmer Leon (09:55): So two other points about Tuskegee that I think are very important for people to understand. I know there were black nurses involved and weren't there also black physicians involved? Shantella Sherman (10:08): Absolutely. Wilmer Leon (10:09): And there is some question about whether there was actual consent. How much of this did they actually know or were they dupes? Isn't that a question that gets posed? Shantella Sherman (10:24): It's a question that's posed often because the belief is that if there's a black person in the room that they're going to side for black people, they're going to defend, they're going to try and help. But the reality is when we're talking science, we're talking medicine and science on behalf of the nation, on behalf of American Americans, we want to make sure that we have a healthy pool of black people as well. So it benefited and it benefits currently many black leaders to hold onto these eugenic things and these eugenic tropes and these eugenic theories where even though we don't talk about sterilizing people in the same way we did, then you still hear people say, black people, even this person has too many kids, they don't need to have any more kids. They're on welfare already. So what do you do? You Wilmer Leon (11:18): Give them Ronald Reagan's welfare queen, Shantella Sherman (11:20): Right? Well, right. If a white person says this, it's racist. If a black person says she already has 10 kids, she doesn't need anymore. She can't afford 'em, now she's neglecting them. We start with this other thing and it becomes, so what do we do? Give her no plan or something. And if that doesn't work, go ahead and give her a hysterectomy. That's eugenics. Wilmer Leon (11:41): An example of that on the other side is Octo mom. Shantella Sherman (11:45): Exactly, Wilmer Leon (11:47): Exactly. She got a TV show or she was trying to get a, there were people who were saying, oh, this woman is out here tripping and something needs to be done. But there were also those that wanted to glorify her, put her on television in order to generate revenue, Shantella Sherman (12:11): Generate revenue, but also public opinion, where she was one, a single woman, she already had one child that she was having trouble supporting. Then it became who should have access to IVF and all these other things, and then who's going to pay for all of these eight now nine children that she has? And it was like, what is she going to do with them and dah, dah, dah, dah. But you give the duggars one, she's single. If it's the Duggars who are just full of all types of deficiencies over here, I'm using eugenic terms. I'm sorry. All of a sudden it was like, right, give them a TV show. Give them money, give them this, give them that. Because what you're doing with television is programming people to believe some people need this, some people don't. If this was a black female in Chicago, in the Robert Taylor homes years ago and she had 10 or 11 kids, you'd be running her up a flagpole at this point and talking about the degeneracy and her kids are going to be this and there's no father in the house and all of these other things. (13:09) So when you push this politically and you start talking policy, this is what you're concerned about. We should be concerned about on a local, national, and even an international scale. And so as you start to talk about candidates, we have to have a clear understanding of where our potential leaders fall, whether they're black or white, because black people are also Americans. And so we're living the American dream, and I don't want these people living next to me and I don't want a prison next to me and I don't want halfway house over here, and I don't want the school of kids over here and I don't want this, this, this and this. And that's an American thing, even if the person or the kids or the people I'm talking about happens to be brown just like me. Wilmer Leon (13:57): So to wrap up the Tuskegee, what are the two biggest misnomers about Tuskegee that you want this audience to have a better understanding of before we get to Henrietta Lacks? What do you want people to understand about Tuskegee? Shantella Sherman (14:13): The Tuskegee was not the only place, and I don't even like it being named, that it was the Eugenics records office. Serological studies. And you had five other places, five other places other than Tuskegee, where these serological tests were being done and they did not necessarily stop. Wilmer Leon (14:34): Oh, meaning that they're still ongoing. I know they were going well into the seventies at least. Shantella Sherman (14:43): And if Tuskegee is the only one that they're talking about, what makes you think that? The serological studies that were taking place in Mississippi and in Tennessee, in Georgia, just in North Carolina. In North Carolina, and again, there's a whole record of this, but we don't talk about that and we don't talk about the black people intrinsically involved in these studies and in this research, Wilmer Leon (15:08): Henrietta Lacks, if you would elaborate, Shantella Sherman (15:13): One thing that we don't discuss with Henrietta Lacks is that the fact of the matter is that she was at Crownsville, she was in Maryland. Once again, you must make the connection between eugenics and these carceral spaces, either asylums places where you need to have a mental rest. I don't like even calling them. It's a home for the mentally ill. This person may have been having menopausal symptoms. They have women in there, they were reading too much. There's a Howard University professor and his name Escape Smith, the moment high ranking Howard University professor. He was caught up in Crownsville at some point and died there. And Wilmer Leon (15:52): For those that don't know, what is Crownsville? Shantella Sherman (15:54): Crownsville was the Maryland, it's, we would say asylum now, but it was a place for people who were feeble minded or had mental health issues. And you could be put there for any of a number of reasons. But once you were there, this was the one specifically for black folks. So a whole black neighborhood was cleared in order to put this asylum there and to let you know what they thought of black people, they made the black people who were supposed to be the patients actually build the hospital itself. And it remained open for quite a while, but it was a place of torture. It was a place of experiments. And Henrietta Lacks ended up there. And so while people are, she's telling people, okay, I'm having fibroid issues. The potential cancer issue, once you're in these spaces, you don't have rights over your own body. (16:45) So the experiments and the biopsies and the whatever else are also taking place in these spaces. And so that's where she was when all of this transpired, grabbing her cells, studying her cells. If you knew the cells could give us the cancer treatments that we have today, were you actually trying to treat her or were you trying to advance science? And so we have to start looking at who were some of the black doctors that were there, who were the other universities? You have universities that are attached to these asylums. And so it's not just, even if you're talking to Tuskegee, it's not just Tuskegee as the area, it's Tuskegee, the university, it's Howard or it's me, Harry. It's black institutions as well. And you have to look at this. Some of this is a class issue, but it's always a consciousness issue. You all right? Wilmer Leon (17:40): And just so people know that Henrietta Lacks, she was the first African-American woman whose cancer cells are the of the hela cell line, which is the first immortalized human cell line, and one of the most important cell lines in medical research. And a lot of people made a lot of money, Shantella Sherman (18:05): Still are Wilmer Leon (18:06): Hundreds of millions of dollars off of her body. And up until recently, her family did not receive any type of compensation for the illegal use of her body. And I want to put it in the context of body because when you talk about cells and people go, oh, cells, what the hell? No, it was her body that they used to create an incredibly valuable, some would say invaluable. You really can't even put a value on it. And up until recently, her family, I can see you want to go ahead. Go ahead. Shantella Sherman (18:52): Well, when you start talking about the value of black bodies, we can go currently, as of last year, the children that were involved, there was a situation in Philadelphia, 1985 where it was a group of what they called militant resistant black folks, the Africa Family Wilmer Leon (19:12): Move Shantella Sherman (19:12): Movement community. They were in a lovely community. And so they had this move project that they were doing, this is their thing. And you had a black mayor at this point who said, Wilmer Leon (19:23): William, good, Shantella Sherman (19:24): There you go, mayor. Wilmer Leon (19:26): Good. Who was bad? Shantella Sherman (19:28): I'm sick of having to deal with this. And instead of charging the house which had children in his whole family communal type of space, he said, let's drop a bomb, get a helicopter to drop a bomb on the house. Which of course ended up spreading. It tears up the entire neighborhood. But here's the point with this, two of the children that died in the bombing, somehow their bodies were sold given over to the University of Pennsylvania for study for research. Because the idea is, is there a difference in the brain and the mentality of a resistant black family and their children, their progeny that we need to be aware of? So now you have a university studying the brains and the body parts of dead children. The family does not know. The family did not know until last year that the university didn't even know that the bodies were sitting on the shelf Now Wilmer Leon (20:30): Because some of the other children survived and are now in their thirties and forties. Absolutely. Shantella Sherman (20:36): Absolutely. Absolutely. So they had to give those but become, we're going to give you the bodies back so they can be interred. What were you doing with these children? You were studying them, you're studying them not just as cadavers. They were being used in the classroom for what purpose though? And so I think that we need to really grapple with the fact that there's a value to black bodies, even if there's not a value to black people. The culture is amazing and this and this, but there is a value to black bodies that we don't talk about. And so there are folks that are, you have dollar signs on you when they see you, they have dollar signs on your womb, they have dollar signs on you as you matriculate through life and you navigate different systems. And the goal is to extract as much as possible while we are just kind of not paying attention to any of it. Wilmer Leon (21:34): There is the adage, you are a product of your environment. And so people will look at me, look at you. And how did you all become PhDs? Well, they haven't met your mother. I've had the blessing. They haven't met your parents. They haven't met my parents. We are products of our environment. So when you look at the children in the Africa family from move in Philadelphia, those children, there was nothing biologically different that made them one way or another. They were products. They were raised a certain way just as they want to talk about black on black crime, ignoring the fact that crime occurs everywhere. You tend to commit crime in the space that's closest to you against those that are closest to you. And that poverty is one of the greatest contributors to a criminal element. Not psychosis, not phenotype. And final point as they talk about black crime, who did the mafia commit most of its crime against other Italians? Who did the Polish Mafia? Who did the Russian mob? Who does the Israeli mob commit crime against those that are closest to them, but we don't understand it in that context. Shantella Sherman (23:19): Wiler, I'm going to throw this in here real quick. The University of Pennsylvania has a long history of studying black folks, especially ones that they consider to be degenerate types. For years, I did a series for Acumen Magazine called the Crack Baby Turns 30. And it looked at a study, a longitudinal study that the University of Pennsylvania was doing where they actually studied the children, the newborn babies that were left at the hospital by women who were crack addicted at that point. And they had these terrible lines in their notes saying things like, these children don't look you in the face. They are born with a pathology. They will be criminals and they will be murderers. And they don't even cry like real babies. They're like animals, okay, 30 years on and they're studying these kids every month 30 years later, they come back and say, each one of those children provided they were given to an aunt, a grandparent or someone else, and they were loved on and taken care of. (24:21) They turned out just fine. None of them have been in prison. None of them have committed crimes. None of them have had out welock babies, most of them. I think they said 90% of them have been to college. Alright. So it automatically tells you that the nature versus nurture is really just a dream. It's a dream sequence in some madman's laboratory where you're going to try and make a case by creating an environment where you're defunding this and unhinging people and then saying, this is a self-fulfilling prophecy or this is all about the numbers and these are the stats and this is where this goes. And it is simply not true. Wilmer Leon (25:04): Some may have heard me tell this story before, but nature versus nurture, really quick example, I went to a private Catholic high school in Sacramento, Christian brothers high school and had to pay tuition to get there. So whether it was hook or by crook, I can obviously afford to be there. I'm there. So the guidance counselor at the time, Mr. Patrick O'Brien sees me wearing a Hampton sweatshirt and I'm walking down the hall and he says, Wilmer, what is that? And I said, oh, this is the sweatshirt from the college I'm going to go to. And he says, you're going to college? I said, yeah, Mr. O'Brien, I'm going to college. He said, Wilmer, have you ever thought about trade school? I said, no, I have never thought about trade school. He says, well, why not? I said, because honestly, Mr. O'Brien, I don't want to have to take the ass whooping that I'm going to take if I go home and tell my parents I'm not going to college. Now there's nothing against going to trade school, but in my house. Shantella Sherman (26:13): Exactly. Wilmer Leon (26:14): That was not an option, Shantella Sherman (26:16): Not one. So Wilmer Leon (26:21): It was all a matter of environment. And so people look at my son now who just graduated from Hampton, and the boy understands he has two options, conform or perish. So it's not a miracle, it's an environment. It's a level of expectation that is set. It's a matter of standards that must be maintained and understanding if you follow the path, life is great. If you deviate from the path, you might have a problem on your hands and you have to make a decision, do I want this problem or do I? That's all. Am I wrong? Shantella Sherman (27:12): No, I mean it's spot on. And I think that again, we understood this 50 years ago in a way that we are not passing that information down now. So the fact that someone can come to me now with eugenic thoughts and tell me if a black child hasn't learned to read by the time they're in the third grade, they have automatically lined themselves up to go to prison. Who came up with that foolishness? Wilmer Leon (27:38): Wait a minute, I'm one of those kids. I'm one kids. Shantella Sherman (27:45): Come on now. Wilmer Leon (27:46): I was reading well below grade level when I was in the third grade and they had shifted, and that was the time when they had shifted how they were teaching reading away from phonics to sight words. Fortunately for me, my parents, we had a very dear friend, Mrs. Bode, Mrs. Gloria Bode, who was a reading specialist, she would come to the house three times a week after dinner. She taught me phonics. And within Goy, it wasn't even a month, I went from reading below the third grade level in third grade to reading at the seventh grade level. All she did was teach me phonics. Shantella Sherman (28:40): Exactly, exactly. So the fact that you can add fake science over here with the eugenic themes, add it to policy, trickle it into the school system, add some funding issues with this, it's like I need you to understand that's what public libraries are for. I need you to understand that every child learns at a different rate. I need you to understand that if there's calamity all around this child outside in the neighborhood, they're not listening for concentration purposes and it may be hindering them. There are things that we knew and we knew how to meet those challenges to ensure that the children in this great space would be able to matriculate. We haven't gone bonkers. So why is it that we are feeding into this and actually accepting that it's true? And then getting on television and saying yes, as a black psychologist, it is true that if black kids don't start reading, you have black people who don't know how to read until they are adults, but they've never committed crimes and they didn't turn into degenerates. So why are we leaning this 10 toes down? It really is a fact. Wilmer Leon (29:47): I know some of those people who became very productive individuals and education became very, very important for them because they understood the value of what they didn't have. And they instilled in their children who went on to college and went on to get master's degrees and other advanced degrees, and many of those kids didn't even realize until after they got out of school that their parents couldn't even read. Shantella Sherman (30:13): Many people went to their graves as black people and white people who never learned to read period, but that was not a part of their character. If you can't read, you're automatically going to become a criminal. That's not the way this works. It's not the way it works. So the fact that we bought into this again tells me that we're moving back into these eugenic themes without, it's the popular social eugenics that the average everyday person is just like, yeah, that makes sense. It does not. Wilmer Leon (30:43): It only makes sense if you don't have any sense. So moving into these popular eugenics themes, getting to now the question that I opened the show with, how does the false construct of race and yes, race is a false construct or the real constructs of culture and cultural identity factor into our opposition to or support for a political candidate. And that all centers around, and I'll state the obvious here at right now, the presumed democratic nominee, Kamala Harris, whose father is Jamaican, whose mother is Indian, and she in some circles is considered to be an African-American woman. I've heard her referred to as such. I've also heard her in many current commercials referred to as an Indian-American woman. And I want to stress this is not a judgmental conversation. Shantella Sherman (31:54): No. Wilmer Leon (31:55): Let me throw it to you, Dr. Sherman. Shantella Sherman (31:59): The issue at hand warmer is that however many of those boxes she chooses to check that show diversity or Wilmer Leon (32:06): Check for her Shantella Sherman (32:08): Either way, either way, all of those lend themselves to the greater eugenic conversation, which is she is non-white. Okay, 1924, racial integrity, that act coming out of Virginia said there are only two races. Skip the Monga, Loy Caucusi. We're going to scratch all of that. There are only two races, white and non-white and the fact that she's also female, that's another thing that we have to deal with. Public perception, American public perception, sometimes global public section of what it means to be any of these things or an amalgamation of all of these things. And some people may be offended by the term amalgamation, a mixture. We're all a mixture of a bunch of other things. What does that mean? And so each one of these people who are definitive about whiteness and Americanism and patriotism, they're questioning as they did with Obama citizenship. They're questioning her womanhood at this point. They're questioning as Wilmer Leon (33:15): They did with Michelle Obama. Shantella Sherman (33:17): Exactly. They're questioning. But on this side, how many kids does Kamala have? And then the fact that, Wilmer Leon (33:26): Didn't JD Vance call her a cat woman because she doesn't have any biological children of her own? Shantella Sherman (33:31): What is that exactly? Wilmer Leon (33:34): Wait a minute. I got to mention when I mention his name, we always must say for those who don't know, JD Vance is now Donald Trump's vice presidential nominee. He's the same guy who about three years ago compared Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler. So one has to ask the question, how does the guy who three years ago called another guy Adolf Hitler, wind up standing next to that guy as his vice presidential nominee. He didn't even call him Mussolini. He called him Hitler Shantella Sherman (34:07): And pay attention to the fact that when Kamala, Kamala was named as Joe Biden's running mate, once again, I heard the senator call say, okay, now we are going to have aunt your mama in the White House. This woman doesn't look like aunt your mama, no connections whatsoever. But all of a sudden this is what folks are thinking of you in these spaces all along. And so the nastiness of it starts to come out the thing. Wait Wilmer Leon (34:40): A minute, and that takes me to Tiger Woods when he first won the master's tournament and the year after the master's tournament, the winner gets to determine the menu for the player's dinner. And Fuzzy Zeller says, oh, we going to have fried chicken tonight. Shantella Sherman (34:58): Fried chicken and watermelon. Wilmer Leon (35:00): There you go. Shantella Sherman (35:01): Yeah. So again, my question is if we are that removed from the plantation at this point, why are you constantly trying to throw people back onto it? Or these are the only references that you're coming up with when you can clearly see in front of you that this isn't the case, it's the Fair State University, their whole thing, their memorabilia collection that they have of racist items that came up 1870 and moving forward. And it was like while we are saying they're racist, these are the things that keep peace in many white minds. I need an anama salt and pepper shaker. I need an anama cookie jump. I need to put her face on the pancake box. I need to have two little black kids as the icons or the folks that I'm using for gold dust soap powder and for this and for that and for the other. (36:00) And so in researching how labels and emblems and mascots were created, you start to find that when white people feel uncomfortable in this country, they tend to hold onto the things that they did love about black people. And so that hasn't changed. We're going to show Kamala dancing and we're going to show her doing all of these things, loving cats, the things that make white people feel good and feel comfortable and feel wholesome and feel whole. She is a part of our group. And at the same time you have black people who are going, but she's married to someone who's not black. Wilmer Leon (36:40): I was asked that question, I won't mention the woman's name who said to me, Wilmer, why do black men, Hey Kamala Harris. And I said, I don't know that black men do hate Kamala Harris. I haven't seen any data. I said, but let me pose this to you. Why does she hate black men? And it was what I said, well, she didn't marry her brother. And I said, so I'm not equating the fact that she didn't marry a brother to say that she hates black men. I am just posing that as a ridiculous premise to your ridiculous premise and riddle me that and I couldn't get an answer. Shantella Sherman (37:28): No, we are still stuck in an antebellum mindset. Many folks are just still stuck there. And so it doesn't make sense that I can walk into a room and someone is waiting for me to flip some pancakes or am I the cleaning lady? Am I here for any type of servant position? Nothing wrong with servants, but when you visually look at a person and you start to assess them, not my character, not any of these other things, but sight, you're seeing me for the first time. If your reaction is to put me into this particular position, you need to ask yourself why. This is something that as the commander in chief, potential commander in chief of this country, that she's going to have to face down in the same way that President Obama had to. But she's also going to have this added level of this is a female who does not have children and all of these other, she's suspicious to folks. She's suspicious to the nation. And that is simply unfair and it's unfounded, but it's how we do things here a lot of times. Wilmer Leon (38:40): So let's take the other side of this because when she first announced that she wanted to be president in this, after Joe Biden stepped down, the narrative was she's earned it. She deserves it. I think it was Simone Sanders Townsend who was saying, and some of her other surrogates who were saying, what does the Democratic, what problem does the Democratic party have with wanting a black woman at the top of the ticket? It was all about her being an AKA. She went to Howard and she can do the electric slide. We were falling into that same mindset in terms of rallying the troops around her instead of asking the questions, where does she stand on Gaza? What's she going to do about Ukraine? What's her policy on Cop city? Where is she on the George Floyd Act and policy issues? And when we started listing policy issues and wanting her to articulate where she stands on policy, then the question becomes, why are you hating on the sister? Why do you hate black women? No, I don't hate black women. I know that AKAs Howard University and I have two degrees from Howard, so I ain't hating on Howard and being able to do electric slide that ain't going to feed the bulldog. Shantella Sherman (40:16): Well, and the truth of the matter, I don't believe our percentage is 13% still because it's just not fathomable we've been producing. So I'm going to say the black population is country. Let's say it's at about 18% right now. Alright? You still have the whole rest of the country that to some extent mentally and emotionally, you're going to have to reunite in the same way Obama had to reunite them because they had blown apart with even the thought of having a black man in office. Okay, you're going to have to suture us back together. Wilmer Leon (40:54): Donald Trump was the reaction to Barack Obama. Shantella Sherman (40:58): Absolutely. And the belief that even at this point, I still have people saying, Barack Obama is running the White House behind Biden all this time. And I'm going, are you serious? So it doesn't matter the truth. The truth doesn't matter at this point. It's what you feel. And I'm telling people it's not about what you feel. Your feelings don't enter into the facts at this point. Thank you. I need you to start talking about the fact that the housing in this country is so deliberately greedy and ridiculous that working people are living in homeless shelters. All right? I need you to talk. College Wilmer Leon (41:33): Professors in California are living in their cars. Shantella Sherman (41:38): I need you. And this is across the country and quite frankly across the globe. So I need you to talk to me about investing and divesting in certain things. I need to know where Kamala stands on certain things. I haven't really heard. I don't know what her platform is on certain things. I would love to have someone talk to her rather than having Megan thee stallion up dancing with her. I don't care about that. I don't want to hear about that right now. You're telling me people are blowing me up about Project 2025, which by the way is nothing but the NATO group and some other folks from 1925 still trying so much conservative policy. This isn't new. Wilmer Leon (42:14): It's not new. It's called New Gingrich's Contract with America. Shantella Sherman (42:18): Thank you. Nothing on that list is new. Nothing on it is new. So it's like even if it were true, and I understand that a lot of it is not true. It wasn't in the 880 page document that most people haven't read. When I started sifting through it, it was like that didn't happen. That's not in the document. That's not there. These are proposals. And do you know how many think tanks put out proposals every time there's about to be a change of leadership? So it's like don't get up in arms. This is something that we always face. But in the meantime, can you tell me where if this were something that was about to take place, where are your local leaders positioned on this? Because we got Biden in office right now, but you still can't afford to get a bag of potato chips for less than $4 or $5 right now. What is going on with the cost of living and the American dream? Why are you having corporations buying up housing so that the average person can't afford 'em? Wilmer Leon (43:10): BlackRock, Shantella Sherman (43:12): Help me out. Wilmer Leon (43:14): People don't understand that As a result of the Covid crisis and the mortgage crisis and all of these homes that people were put out of BlackRock and other venture capitalist companies were buying up the housing stock and they weren't putting the housing stock back on the market for sale. They were putting the housing stock back on the market for rent. Absolutely Shantella Sherman (43:45): For rent. And if you're charging, there's nothing, I'm going to say it on the record, there's nothing inside Washington DC that's worth $5,000 a month as a two bedroom apartment. Nothing. Nowhere in this city is it worth it. But those are the going rates. And so we can look at this. Go ahead, I'm Wilmer Leon (44:02): Sorry. And as Vice President Harris is on the stump saying, Donald Trump is a convicted felon. And as a former prosecutor, I know how to deal with felons. I know that personality well, when you had Steve Mnuchin in your sights when he was the bankster in California and your staff brought you a thousand felonies committed by the man, you didn't pursue the case against Steve Mnuchin who wound up being our Secretary of Treasury under Donald Trump. So don't hate Malcolm said, when my telling you the truth makes you angry, don't get angry at me. Get angry at the truth. I don't do the electric slide. I'm not an A KAI am in the divine nine, but I don't do that. And so those things don't matter to me, Dr. Sherman, Shantella Sherman (45:00): It's going to have to matter to us what the policies and standpoints are that Kamala Harris brings to the table. I just want to know her positions on things. I have the lesser of two evils true as it appears, and I believe she would make a wonderful president, but I would love to know where she stands on all of these issues that are also international issues that are also, I've been trying to get someone from the state of California, a representative, and I don't have to call the person's name to talk to me about the sterilizations that are being forced on black and Spanish women inside California penitentiaries for the last eight years. And I can't get a callback. So I want you to understand that it's not about blackness. It's about I need you to make sure that my American dream isn't a nightmare, that you get to blame on Donald Trump or anybody else. We have black elected officials. We're not holding anyone accountable and we're not holding them accountable from the moment we elect them. You're not asking the proper questions, and so you Wilmer Leon (46:04): Won't get the right answer. Shantella Sherman (46:06): I want Kamala Harris to win. I put on the T-shirt, all of that. But in the meantime, I want to know where she stands on some things that impact my quality of life and the quality of life for the folks who are around me. I've crossed 50 years old at this point, so I'm trying to figure out if I had to go lay down and retire somewhere, is there a patch of dirt in the woods for me that you want going to then come through and arrest me for being homeless on and lock me up for it? That's a reality. They're locking up homeless people. It's their laws in certain states now. And these states have black representatives. No one's talking about this. We are talking about the suits that people are wearing and their connections and affiliations with other things that don't benefit us at the moment. Wilmer Leon (46:51): And rappers Shantella Sherman (46:52): Well, and just while you dancing, when it comes time to pick your kid up from the daycare center, are you going to find out that they've raised the rates? So you got to pay $3,500 a month for the kid to go to the daycare? Wilmer Leon (47:04): And two things. One is we keep hearing that we can't afford to provide quality daycare to people across the country, but we can send a trillion dollars to Ukraine. See, budgets are numeric representations of priority. Shantella Sherman (47:26): And also add to that, even if we didn't have the money, we had the consciousness, we had the heart to say that the grandmother in the neighborhood who was opening her home should still be able to do that without being licensed to a point where she has to pay $2,500 to the city and go to a class for eight. She raised 10 kids and 15 grandkids. She knows what she's doing. You've kept us from being able to have that communal space. Now that's not just, I want some money that's being vindictive. You're setting up the parameters, the variables that are going to lend to the things that you're talking about as black people and poor people. You're creating poverty. That's what you're doing right now. Wilmer Leon (48:11): Norway can do it, Finland can do it. Denmark can do it. They're doing it. Shantella Sherman (48:19): Anyone who is for their citizens can and will do it. The difference here is that we're not working together. We've always been fighting against each other. It's the infighting. I want my kids to be able to have it, but not your kids. I don't want immigrant kids. I don't want my kids around the Spanish kids. They're going to learn Spanish and it's too many of 'em and they're undocumented and they can have diseases, and I don't know what they're into. Well, the same thing was said about black people coming into white spaces. So if we're going to do America, we got to do America for everyone, and we got to make sure that these policies don't hurt this person in order to make me feel better. And in the long run, end up hurting me as well. Wilmer Leon (48:58): My current piece is you're with her, but is she with you? And the premise of the piece is, and I say this in the piece, it's not about her. It's about us. And what are we going to demand of her relative to us? Because that's what policy politics is all about. It's about policy output. It's not about the Divine nine and Howard University and the electric slide. It's about policy output. She went to the Cara comm meeting as vice president and try to convince the leaders of those Caribbean nations to be the minstrel face on American imperialism to invade Haiti. How does a black woman whose father is from Jamaica believe that our invading Haiti is a good idea? She didn't go alone. She went with Hakeem Jeffries and some other folks, Linda Thomas Greenfield. How do these black people, how do these black people buy into imperialist, neo-colonial policies like that? And so I make that to take us back to the eugenics question and the identity Shantella Sherman (50:26): Question, and I'll throw that to you because it's all about the fitness of the individual person or the group. And so Haiti has always been the bastard black child that even black folks don't want to claim a small minority of black folks always down for Haiti, always. I'm there with you. But there are all these people who are still, you want to glamorize Africa, but you won't set foot there. You want to go to Africa, but you don't want to stay there. You don't understand the politics, the culture, the language, the faith, none of it. But since it's been tagged onto you as African-American, you claim it. But again, when you get down to it, we still have eugenic thoughts as black people about who is fit and unfit, who is worthy, who is unworthy. And it's about nothing related to character. It is about nothing related to morality or how people handle you or them being good people. (51:27) It's all about the same things that white people use the litmus test to define you. And so we cannot get away from that as easily as we think and things like this. When we get into a space like this, it magnifies it and we start to see ourselves and it does not look good. It doesn't look good on us at all. Haiti, poor black people, folks living in the projects historically by colleges and universities, not the elite eight, the big eight, but the rest of 'em, the ones that we don't really want to talk about this in them other states that we don't want to deal with, alright? We don't want to deal with that. There are things that we need to discuss to make sure that HBCUs and the Divine Nine still exists. If the federal government starts pulling money back. We've had the heirs desegregation case. (52:20) We've had a similar case in Maryland where basically HBCUs are being said to be anti-white at this point. And in order to get the money that these HBCUs won for having been discriminated against with funding, it's being said, in order to get the money, you now have to have five to 10% of your student population be minority. That minority has to be white. So now you are giving free education to white students in order to get the money that's owed to you from having been discriminated against in the first place. You have to understand in street terms, we've been in a trick bag for a minute, right? And we need to stop playing games. It's late in the day. You need to heal your line. Alright, I'm going back to Hurston. Heal your line. You need to understand that you're about to get caught up in the very trap that you've been setting and you're not paying attention. You're simply not paying attention. We haven't been paying our alumni fees like we're supposed to. Our schools are still dependent on federal government funding and state funding. We are not standing alone. So we need to make sure that our leadership also understands that, that we need to have practical solutions and policies so that we're not reacting to things, but literally charting a course and setting it and staying on that course. Wilmer Leon (53:44): What are you demanding? And two things to your point about funding and HBCUs, the HBCUs in Maryland won a case against the Maryland government for not properly funding those HBCUs. As the state had funded, the predominantly white institutions went all the way to Maryland Supreme Court and the schools won. The Republican governor, Larry Hogan refused to give them the money that the court awarded and forced those institutions to negotiate a lower number. I don't remember what the numbers were off the top of my head, but Shantella Sherman (54:33): What? Yes, sir. What again? The exact same thing happened in Mississippi. And that's why I said that was the heirs desegregation case. And it was the exact same thing. The money that came down to fund the Mississippi schools, they gave the HBCUs less money when they disseminated. And it was like, okay, Mississippi won the HBCUs won the case, but the content, the little fine print said, we are going to give you the money, but now you are required at this point to add 10% of your population needs to be minority on a black campus that's not black students. And they said, we can pull in some Africans and some people that still fit. No, you need to have some white students on this campus now. So that was the quote. That's how they got around it. And it was like, wow, these are the nasty tricks that I'm talking about. And so if it happened in Mississippi and it's happened in Maryland, where else is this happening? Can I get leadership to understand this is how you tie black hands behind the backs of citizens that actually want to go to school. Wilmer Leon (55:45): Final thing, symbolism. And again, I'm getting back to ethnicity and cultural identity as it relates to Vice President Harris. And I'm not picking on her, she just is the poster child of this in the moment because there's an awful lot of symbolism that is being used here. And again, they rather be symbolic than talk about substantive policy output. Shantella Sherman (56:22): The symbolism goes to the heart of the nation. Whose nation is it? Whose America is it that's which one of the presidents? Wilmer Leon (56:39): Well, you mean we want, we want, oh Shantella Sherman (56:41): No, no, Coolidge, Calvin Coolidge. Okay, whose country is it anyway? And so you literally, you're having white Americans say, this is ours and we've allowed you to be here, Wilmer Leon (56:56): Tom Tancredo, and we want, and the Tea Party, which was the precursor to Donald Trump. We want our country back. Shantella Sherman (57:06): So again, but how have you lost it? Wilmer Leon (57:09): Who has it? Because I don't have it. Tom Tan credo. If you're listening, if you're watching, I don't have your country. Shantella Sherman (57:18): And again, so that's how you start again. You're going to see an explosion of language about women having babies and birth control and all this. And again, it's this. They're having natal conferences once or twice a year where people are talking about we need to get the country back. And getting the country back means we need white women to have babies and they're not having them. And so based on that alone, any white female who's out here supporting Donald Trump and all of these policies, they don't necessarily understand what you're about to do is send yourself back into the house because there's a good white man that needs the job that you're sitting in. You need to be producing babies bottom line. And if you're not, you serve no purpose. Now to the nation, that is a Hitler esque thing, but Hitler got it from us. So that is a Francis Galton thing. Wilmer Leon (58:11): In fact, thank you very much because you and I had talked about that Francis Galton father of modern eugenics, there's a book Control the Dark History and troubling present of Eugenics just by Adam Rutherford. Talk about Francis Galton and talk about Adam Rutherford's book. Shantella Sherman (58:32): Just the idea First Rutherford's book is an amazing examination. I think that it's something that pulls together a lot of the research from different spaces and different years and to synthesize it the way he has it makes it make sense to the average person, which is critical at this point. It's not talking above folks head. So you get to the critical analysis of we need these birthing numbers. Statisticians started coming in and Galton is right here in the middle of this. And you have the eugenics record office who are literally charting birth rates and they're trying to figure out with immigration, emancipated black people. And then you end up with Chinese people and all these other folks that are coming in. And then you start having women who decide they're not going to stay at home. These rates matter and they have mattered for the last 150 years because whoever has the birth numbers, when we start talking politics, these are voting blocks. (59:32) And if I can put you under duress, if I can incarcerate you and then tell you based on the fact that you're in prison, you are no longer a citizen, so you are not able to vote because you have a felony charge. That is a reality for those black men who are huddled in prisons. But the other part of that reality is that because during the reproductive height of their lives, they're in prison, it means that they're not reproducing children. And so there's a duality to having black men and Spanish men and locked into these prisons and degenerate white men. We don't want babies from them anyway. Wilmer Leon (01:00:08): And the fastest growing cohort in prisons are women. Shantella Sherman (01:00:13): And when the women go into the prisons, they are automatically taken before what used to be the sterilization board. They're given a physical examination. If you're a black woman, a Spanish woman, and you have fibroids, they're going to tell you, we're not going to manage your fibroids while you're here. We're just going to recommend that you have a hysterectomy. Or they may not even tell you. So great documentary Belly of the Beast looks at the California state Penitentiary system and they're just ad hoc deciding to sterilize black and Spanish women without their consent and without their knowledge because they said, once we open you up, it's easier just to go ahead and snip you than to worry about having to pay for your children, either ending up in prison, being slow and retarded mentally having to go to special schools or having to pay through the welfare system because they're not normal. Because you're not normal. You're breeding criminals. And so we have to look at these things. I think Rutherford did a great job, but Galton has been talking about, he started talking about this when he coined the phrase, we were already talking about this and the black bodies on plantations started this whole, let's check the women's bodies and see what they can manage and hold as far as their fecundity, as far as they're being able to breed the next crop of Americans. Wilmer Leon (01:01:28): Are those eugenic practices relative to women of color in California? Prisons still going on as you and I are speaking right now. Shantella Sherman (01:01:38): Absolutely. Wilmer Leon (01:01:40): So our vice president, Kamala Harris, who is the presumptive Democratic Party nominee is from Berkeley, was the DA in San Francisco, was the attorney general in the state of California, was the senator from California. I haven't heard anybody ask her this question. Shantella Sherman (01:02:05): I have not heard anyone ask Wilmer Leon (01:02:10): Anybody Shantella Sherman (01:02:10): Elected official. You've only had the Congressman Ell from North Carolina who got reparations for folks who had been sterilized, many of them black in North Carolina. He's since passed away. Virginia asked that people come forward if they had been sterilized, but people couldn't come forward because they didn't know they'd been sterilized. You took them in and told them that they had an appendicitis. So they didn't know that the reason why they didn't produce children is because when they went into the hospital, you decided to do a hook and crook on 'em. They didn't know. So based on just that information, you have very few people in the state of Virginia to come forward and to receive the money. California is now offering some reparations to folks. But if you're in those penal systems, it's still going on. You don't have control over your body. Wilmer Leon (01:03:08): And I want to be very clear to say, I'm not for those that just heard me ask that question and Wilmer, why are you blaming her for this? I'm not. I'm saying I haven't heard anyone ask her this question again because it's not about her. It's about us. And what are we as a political constituency? What are we going to do? What are we going to demand? What are we going to get if we are responsible for putting her in office, which everybody says Democrats can't win without black people. Speaker 4 (01:03:55): Okay, Wilmer Leon (01:03:56): All right. Speaker 4 (01:04:00): Again, I think that she would make an amazing president again. I simply want to know what her policies are. I want to know how she's going to fight against and how she's sizing up her time in office. And that's what I want to hear from her. That's it. Wilmer Leon (01:04:19): Dr. Chantel Sherman, I am so appreciative of you joining me today, as always, dear. Thank you. Thank you, thank you, Speaker 4 (01:04:27): Thank you. Anytime, Wilmer Leon (01:04:29): Folks, thank you all so much for listening and watching the Connecting the Dots podcast with me, Dr. Wilmer Leon, and my brilliant, brilliant friend and guest, Dr. Chantel Sherman. Stay tuned for new episodes each week. Also, please follow and subscribe. Leave a review, share the show, would greatly, greatly appreciate it. Follow me on social media. You can find all the links below to the show there. And remember, folks, that this is where the analysis of politics, culture, and history converge talk without analysis is just chatter. And you can tell by this, we don't chatter on connecting the dots. See you all again next time. Until then, I am Dr. Wier Leon. Have a great one. Peace.

Bridget, Caitlin, and Hilda wrap up their coverage of "Alpha Wolf," book 2 in Caroline Peckham and Susanne Valenti's Darkmore Penitentiary series. While the book started off a little slow, it definitely ramps up at the end with typical Twisted Sisters chaos that includes: Plans going awry, unexpected deaths, and new traps to prevent the prisoners from leaving the most dangerous prison in Solaria.NOTE: DO NOT Google star-nosed mole unless you want to be traumatized for life.  Join our Patreon for exclusive behind-the-scenes content and let's be friends!Instagram > @Booktokmademe_podTikTok > @BooktokMadeMe

Bridget, Caitlin, and Hilda continue their coverage of the Twisted Sisters' Darkmore Penitentiary series with part 1 of book 2, "Alpha Wolf." Episode highlights include: Bursting into a fit of giggles anytime someone says "woof" instead of "wolf;" hating on the dastardly Gustard, and listening to snippets of the audio book so we call know what Caitlin is listening to.  Join our Patreon for exclusive behind-the-scenes content and let's be friends!Instagram > @Booktokmademe_podTikTok > @BooktokMadeMe

Bridget, Caitlin, and Hilda wrap up their discussion on "Caged Wolf," book 1 in Caroline Peckham and Susanne Valenti's Darkmore Penitentiary series. Episode highlights include: A tangent on women's gymnastics, thoughts on who Rosalie's next partner will be, and cursing Gustard, the latest villain to make our hosts exclaim, "F*ck that guy!"  Join our Patreon for exclusive behind-the-scenes content and let's be friends!Instagram > @Booktokmademe_podTikTok > @BooktokMadeMe

Bridget, Caitlin, and Hilda discuss part 1 of "Caged Wolf," book 1 in Caroline Peckham and Susanne Valenti's Darkmore Penitentiary series. That's right - they're back in the Twisted Sisters' world of Solaria, but this time with Rosalie Oscura as she tries to break out of the infamous fae prison. While Darkmore Penitentiary is a stand alone series, we HIGHLY recommend having read Ruthless Boys of the Zodiac and Zodiac Academy so that you understand all of the Easter Eggs the Sisters leave, and you don't get mad at the hosts for talking about the previous books, which they do. Join our Patreon for exclusive behind-the-scenes content and let's be friends!Instagram > @Booktokmademe_podTikTok > @BooktokMadeMe

Penitentiaries and jails are likely places where you'll find hauntings and paranormal activity. The Old Idaho Penitentiary is no exception. It was built in 1870 while Idaho was still a territory, serving as a jail for 101 years. It's seen its share of scandals, escapes, riots, and executions. One of those executed prisoners, Raymond Snowden, is believed to have never left. Staff and visitors have claimed to have heard voices, been physically touched, or experienced a strange feeling on the property. On this episode of The Grave Talks, a conversation about the history and the hauntings of the Old Idado Penitentiary with Visitor Services Coordinator Jacey Brain. This is Part Two of our conversation. For more information on historical tours and paranormal events, visit history.idaho.gov You can also find them on Facebook, search Old Idaho Penitentiary, or click here. Become a GRAVE KEEPER and get access to ALL of our EPISODES - AD FREE, BONUS EPISODES & ADVANCE EPISODES!!! Sign up through Apple Podcast Channel or Patreon. Sign up through Apple Podcasts or Patreon http://www.patreon.com/thegravetalks

Penitentiaries and jails are likely places where you'll find hauntings and paranormal activity. The Old Idaho Penitentiary is no exception. It was built in 1870 while Idaho was still a territory, serving as a jail for 101 years. It's seen its share of scandals, escapes, riots, and executions. One of those executed prisoners, Raymond Snowden, is believed to have never left. Staff and visitors have claimed to have heard voices, been physically touched, or experienced a strange feeling on the property. On this episode of The Grave Talks, a conversation about the history and the hauntings of the Old Idado Penitentiary with Visitor Services Coordinator Jacey Brain. For more information on historical tours and paranormal events, visit history.idaho.gov You can also find them on Facebook, search Old Idaho Penitentiary, or click here. Become a GRAVE KEEPER and get access to ALL of our EPISODES - AD FREE, BONUS EPISODES & ADVANCE EPISODES!!! Sign up through Apple Podcast Channel or Patreon. Sign up through Apple Podcasts or Patreon http://www.patreon.com/thegravetalks

Join the Parajunkie Fam and get a first look at Haunted City Studios as we build it! www.patreon.com/savannahunderground Welcome back to another spine-chilling episode of "The Most Haunted City on Earth," where your hosts, Madison and Chris, dive into the eerie and unexplained through our special segment, Ghostmail. In today's episode, we're sharing hair-raising stories sent in by our fearless listeners who've encountered the paranormal firsthand.

On this day in 1946, six inmates at Alcatraz Federal Penitentiary carried out the most violent escape attempt in the prison's history. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Episode 314: Ezra Allen Miner, more commonly known as Bill Miner, was an infamous American stagecoach and train robber born in Michigan in 1846. Bill Miner's criminal career included an early arrest on April 3, 1866, for robbery, leading to a three-year sentence at San Quentin. Over thirty-five years, Miner was incarcerated for a cumulative total of nearly 30 years, experiencing two official releases and making five escapes from custody. He became infamous in Canada for robbing the Canadian Pacific Railway (CPR) and securing his status as a legendary figure in Canadian outlaw lore, which included an escape from the B.C. Penitentiary in New Westminster. Known by nicknames such as “The Grey Fox” and the “Gentleman Bandit,” Miner was celebrated for his courteous demeanour during his heists. Furthermore, he is often credited with popularizing the now-iconic command during robberies, “Hands up!”; however, this may be hyperbole. Miner's blend of politeness and notoriety helped cement his legacy in the annals of Canadian criminal folklore. Sources: This Week in History: 1906 - The legendary outlaw Bill Miner robs a train near Kamloops Bill Miner | Canadian Cowboy Country Magazine Bill Miner | The Canadian Encyclopedia The Grey Fox (1982 film) | The Canadian Encyclopedia "The Grey Fox" (1982) - Movie on Bill Miner - Western Stagecoach Robber | YouTube The Grey Fox: The True Story of Bill Miner - Last of the Old-Time Bandits Billy Miner Pie Recipe Billy Miner | Mission Museum Bill Miner | Historica Canada Education Portal Bill Miner | BC Penitentiary Collection Bill Miner – The Gentleman Outlaw – Golden BC Museum Bill Miner | NFB Vignette Old Bill Miner: Last of the Famous Western Bandits Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices