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Best podcasts about steve wall

Latest podcast episodes about steve wall

NO ENCORE
TOP 5 MUSIC DOCUMENTARIES ft. Jenn Gannon

NO ENCORE

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 14, 2025 109:18


It's time to tell our side of the story, listener.And who better to do that with us than this week's guest! Journalist and broadcaster Jenn Gannon returns to the podcast this week to dive into the best that the musical corner of the documentary world has to offer, as well as taking on a healthy dose of music and entertainment news, so let's get the cameras rolling and get right to it.Don't forget, by signing up to our Patreon at Patreon.com/NOENCORE you can get all episodes of the show 24 hours early and ad-free, as well as weekly bonus content. Coming in the next few days is a brand-new Film Club with Dave, Andy McCarroll and Richard Chambers discussing the editing masterpiece that is American football thriller Any Given Sunday – and let me tell you, it's well-worth the €5 monthly cost for that episode alone.ACT ONE (2:05): Fontaines finally wield the RTÉ Choice Music Prize, Steve Wall reveals the pitfalls of the acting business, Fred Durst kind of puts his foot in it at the Limp Bizkit 3Arena show, Los Campensinos give us a very detailed insight into the finances of touring, Tiesto's lawyer tries to throw him under the bus, Grimes wishes for less toxicity on the internet, King Charles shows he's down with the modern times and an apparently very good Prince documentary is shelved by Netflix– it's the news.ACT TWO (50:19): Top 5 Music Documentaries-Follow Jenn Gannon on X / InstagramLos Campensinos! - In The Black Stuff blog post Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Fat Lads Go In Goal
Bolton Peacock Farrell - FLGIG

Fat Lads Go In Goal

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 7, 2025 65:58


Mark and StaceMase are joined by Steve Wall to discuss all things Birmingham City FC including Wembley tickets, the Bolton battering and our upcoming games with Lincoln and Stevenage 00:00 Intro 04:40 Wembley ticket issues 10:49 Wycombe 14:53 The red 19:00 Injuries 20:15 Bolton Peacock-Farrell 28:35 Bolton battering 36:27 The Alex Russell Rule 39:20 Lincoln predictions 40:28 BCFC Women 44:58 Stevenage predictions 47:14 Brady & Davies 54:00 Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Thursday Interview on The Hard Shoulder
The Thursday Interview: Steve Wall

The Thursday Interview on The Hard Shoulder

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 6, 2025 17:20


Actor and Musician Steve Wall joins Kieran for this week's Thursday Interview!

Never Show the Monster
88. Horror of 2024 - Oddity: Don't Knock On My Door

Never Show the Monster

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 8, 2025 97:50


Knock knock knock! Open up! There's someone inside your house, they went in while you weren't looking.  We're discussing ODDITY (2024) this week, a jigsaw puzzle of a supernatural murder mystery. It feels like cozying up with a classic whodunnit book and a cup of tea and we think you'll like it.   Follow us on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/noshowmonster.bsky.social Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/NoShowMonster Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/noshowmonster/ Email us at noshowmonster@gmail.com Follow Kelly Attaway Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/kellyattaway.bsky.social Twitter: https://twitter.com/kellyattaway Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/spooky_kellyyy/ Follow Chelsea Hollander lol SIKE you can't she's not online because she values her mental health and wellbeing    Show notes: Director's short films   Join us back here in two weeks to discuss STRANGE DARLING (2024), starring our fave, Kyle Gallner :)   Hosted by Kelly Attaway and Chelsea Hollander Produced by Kelly Attaway Art by Ryan Tate Theme by Unicorn Heads  

Dark Discussions Podcast
Dark Discussions Podcast - Episode 639 - ODDITY (2024)

Dark Discussions Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 25, 2024 135:06


A new film from the land of the Irish has arrived to streaming after a short run at the theaters. The new movie is called ODDITY (2024). Does it live up to that name? Well, it isn't as odd as the title says, but it sure is a well received supernatural movie.Dani Timmis (Carolyn Bracken) is home alone at night as her psychiatrist husband, Ted (Gwilym Lee), is at work. When an ex-patient arrives at her front door, he warns her of a stranger that is in her house. A year later, her clairvoyant twin sister Darcy decides to find out what happened that night when she receives a talisman that may be the key to her answers.The movie is written and directed by Damian McCarthy. Besides Gwilym Lee and Carolyn Bracken, the movie's cast includes Tadhg Murphy, Caroline Menton, Steve Wall, and Jonathan French. Picked up by IFC and Shudder, the film received a quick release at theaters after getting good reviews from critics. Your podcast hosts take a look at this new movie and give their thoughts.

Frontman.cz
Na kafe s Davidem Pomahačem LIVE z Festivalu Banát 2024: Lucie Redlová

Frontman.cz

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 23, 2024 28:25


Dnes pokračujeme s v našich speciálech ze 13. ročníku festivalu Banát - “nejlepšího českého festivalu v Rumunsku”.  Na festivalu můžete opakovaně vidět a slyšet hodně interpretů, někteří se vrací ob rok, někteří si dávají delší pauzy, ale jednoznačně nejvíc návštěv má na svém kontě známá oceňovaná písničkářka Lucie Redlová, která navštívila už jedenáctkrát. Před banátským publikem nám prozradila, co jí na tomto specifickém festivalu uhranulo, co ho od ostatních akcí tolik odlišuje, ale zabrousili jsme i do její tvorby i do jejího života. Písničkářka Lucie Redlová z Valašského Meziříčí má, jak její příjmení napovídá, hudbu přímo v genech. Na scéně se v různých formacích pohybuje už přes deset let. Začínala s mandolínou ve folklor-beatové kapele Docuku, hostovala v rockové kapele Rauš, ve folkových Žamboších či Zhasni, zazpívala si na desce Květů, od roku 2011 příležitostně vystupuje s mandolínou s pražskou kapelou Traband. V roce 2009 natočila album První, poslední, které produkoval irský rocker Steve Wall z kapely The Walls, na sklonku téhož roku sestavila doprovodnou kapelu, která si říká Garde a jejímž členem je mj. kytarista Martin Knor z Mňágy a Žďorp. Od čistého folku se pootočila směrem k rocku a na jaře 2012 vydala nové album Křižovatka, které produkoval americký muzikant Tim Eriksen. Jejím nejnovějším projektem je volné ženské trio MDŽ – Muzikantky, Dámy, Ženy, ve kterém Redlová spojila síly s dalšími dvěma výraznými písničkářkami Beatou Bocek a Jitkou Šuranskou. Sledujte podcast Na kafe s Davidem Pomahačem na Instagramu.  

Planeta Terror Podcast
Oddity (2024)

Planeta Terror Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 9, 2024 31:37


Todo asesinato merece una retribución.  Después del brutal asesinato de su hermana gemela, Darcy persigue a los presuntos responsables utilizando objetos embrujados como herramientas de venganza. ODDITY es una película de terror irlandesa de 2024, escrita y dirigida por Damian Mc Carthy, protagonizada por Gwilym Lee, Carolyn Bracken, Tadhg Murphy, Caroline Metnon, Steve Wall y Johnny French.  Episodio disponible en tu plataforma de podcast favorita.  PLANETA TERROR es un podcast semanal en español dedicado al cine de horror/slasher/gore. Reseñas, noticias, rankings y discusión general desde el punto de vista de alguien cuyo “goal” en la vida es mudarse a Woodsboro, vivir en Elm Street y asistir al Campamento Crystal Lake. Apple Podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/planeta-terror-podcast/id1539867451 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/planetaterrorpod/ X https://x.com/planetaterrorpd?s=21&t=jiQBxnyCEsmbvNpY8pNnmg TikTok  https://www.tiktok.com/@planetaterrorpodcast?_t=8mVo66trbrJ&_r=1

Pop Culture Purgatory
Episode 273: Oddity(2024)

Pop Culture Purgatory

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 8, 2024 49:07


Welcome back to purgatory!!! On this sode Jeremy's cuz Stevie discuss the 2024 film Oddity written & directed by Damian Mc Carthy & staring Carolyn Bracken(x's 2) Johnny French, Steve Wall, Joey Rooney, Gwilym Lee, Tadhg and Caroline Menton!!! Thanks for checkin us out and if you'd like to find our back sodes go to podbean.com   Intro track "Funeral of your mind" by Electric Wizard https://youtu.be/-3Ab3GF5--c?si=AqQkGE0qG6ykIa-L Outro track "now you know" by Richard Mitchell https://youtu.be/e5J0y3VnQfg?si=c6fWUUiqf9I936fF  

Gruesome Magazine - Horror Movie Reviews and Interviews
ODDITY (2024, IFC Films) Haunting, Creepy, and Downright Scary

Gruesome Magazine - Horror Movie Reviews and Interviews

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 17, 2024 35:51


The Grue-Crew review ODDITY (2024, IFC Films) on Gruesome Magazine episode 537. Award-winning filmmaker Christopher G. Moore, Crystal Cleveland the Livi6dead6irl, and Doc Rotten share their thoughts about this week's frightening addition to streaming and theatrical horror films. Warning: possible spoilers after the initial impressions! ODDITY (2024, IFC Films) Synopsis: When Dani is brutally murdered at the remote country house that she and her husband Ted are renovating, everyone suspects a patient from the local mental health institution, where Ted is a doctor. However, soon after the tragic killing, the suspect is found dead. A year later, Dani's blind twin sister Darcy, a self-proclaimed psychic and collector of cursed items, pays an unexpected visit to Ted and his new girlfriend, Yana. Convinced that there was more to her sister's murder than people know, Darcy has brought with her the most dangerous items from her cursed collection to help her exact revenge. Available in Theaters beginning July 19, 2024 Written and Directed by: Damian McCarthy Cast: Gwilym Lee, Carolyn Bracken, Tadhg Murphy, Caroline Menton, Jonathan French, Steve Wall

Riptide Podcast - Lukes Lounge
Riptide Podcast - Lukes Lounge - Ep80 - Steve Wall

Riptide Podcast - Lukes Lounge

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 9, 2024 90:34


Episode 79 of Luke's verbal journaling features good friend and master digital creator, Steve “Big George” Wall.Sifting through each others shared past experiences, Steve and Luke talk in length about pilgrimages to the Australian Desert, how it's been for Steve relocating himself to Iceland and what it was like becoming the industry's top photographer as the boog world started to go into decline.Steve is also currently in a fight to save a local Icelandic wave from greedy capitalistic over development and he goes into length in the last 20 minutes of this poddy describing how that is trending.One for the ages this conversation, hope you enjoy

The Arts House
Steve Wall - The Stunning

The Arts House

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 5, 2024 5:15


Macroom Music Festival is taking place over the weekend of June 21/22/23. The Stunning, Hermitage Green and The White Horse Guitar Club are headline acts for 2024.The Music Trail will take place in Macroom town on Friday night.A Family Day on the Sunday will feature activities, games and face painting run by The Macroom Lions Club.Tickets available at www.macroommusicfest.ie Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Highlights from The Hard Shoulder
Celebrity reaction to Ireland recognising Palestine - Steve Wall

Highlights from The Hard Shoulder

Play Episode Listen Later May 23, 2024 10:53


There have been many reactions to Ireland's decision to recognise Palestine as a state. One person who has been calling for this for a long time is actor and musician Steve Wall.He joins Kieran to give his reaction…Image: Kathrin Baumbach

Fat Lads Go In Goal
Will Gary Rowett Save Birmingham City From Relegation? - FLGIG

Fat Lads Go In Goal

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 22, 2024 66:51


The Lads are joined by Steve Wall to discuss all tings Blues including the recent appointments of Gary Rowett and Paul Robinson, an update on the Blues Women team and the difficult task ahead for the club. Finally we end with a little game of Higher or Lower... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Oliver Callan
The Weekend Podcast

Oliver Callan

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 15, 2024 93:50


Catch up with Oliver Callan on the weekend, Oliver was joined by, actor and musician Steve Wall, politician Damien Egan, comedian Blaithín de Burca and Emma Zacharopoulou and Ryan Curtis

Oliver Callan
Steve Wall in Dune 2

Oliver Callan

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 13, 2024 26:17


Steve Wall the front man of the Stunning and The Walls talks about his latest onscreen role in Dune 2.

Playback Daily
Playback Daily Wednesday March 13th

Playback Daily

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 13, 2024 57:47


Could your handbag be causing you pain? Steve Wall on his ever evolving career & Nestflix- watching an endangered bird in Co Cork

To Here Knows When - Great Irish Albums Revisited
EP32 - Paradise in the Picturehouse by The Stunning

To Here Knows When - Great Irish Albums Revisited

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 5, 2023 84:58


Steve Wall joins me to discuss The Stunning's debut album, the band's history and how they self-financed their first four singles in the late 80s. We talk in detail about Paradise in the Picturehouse and how it eventually spent five weeks at No. 1 in the Irish Albums Chart. In a wide-ranging chat Steve also talks about: Irish radio programming; lack of airplay for most Irish artists; Blur supporting The Stunning in London in the early 90s; gigging and the economics of being a full time musician in Ireland; The Stunning's music being used in advertising and his acting career. Episode notes are here.

Live95 Limerick Today Podcasts
The Stunning set to play in King John's Castle- we catch up with Steve Wall

Live95 Limerick Today Podcasts

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 21, 2023 16:14


The Stunning are set to hit King John's Castle here in Limerick on the 1st of July- ahead of their gig Joe has been chatting to Steve Wall. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Galway Bay Fm - Galway Talks - with Keith Finnegan
Galway Talks with Keith Finnegan (Tuesday, 13th December 2022 11am-12pm)

Galway Bay Fm - Galway Talks - with Keith Finnegan

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 13, 2022 36:19


11am-12pm Plenty of well-known names to speak at the Galmont Hotel on Monday as part of The Galway Executive Skillnet's Big Bang event  Adoptee rights group says further delay in adoptees getting their personal records yet again shows need for a new agency   New survey shows dairy products remain a popular part of mealtimes across Connacht   We are joined by Steve Wall of Galway band The Stunning ahead of their gig in Leisureland this weekend  ‘Galway Talks with Keith Finnegan' broadcasts every weekday morning from 9am on Galway Bay FM

RTÉ - The Ray Darcy Show
Vicky Phelan Tribute, Pricewatch

RTÉ - The Ray Darcy Show

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 14, 2022 69:15


On today's show we pay tribute to Vicky Phelan Ray speaks to friends of Vicky's Lorraine Walsh and David Brennan and The Stunning were one of Vicky's favorite bands Steve Wall from the band joins Ray and Conor Pope is back in studio with Pricewatch.

Highlights from The Hard Shoulder
'She was so courageous' - Vicky Phelan remembered

Highlights from The Hard Shoulder

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 14, 2022 15:33


Kieran was joined on The Hard Shoulder by Orla O'Connor, Director of the National Women's Council and Steve Wall from The Stunning to remember Vicky Phelan...

Footballland
S02 E37 | The Steve Wall of Death, Give It 110% and WAY Too Pumped

Footballland

Play Episode Listen Later May 31, 2022 39:51


Support our Show! https://supporter.acast.com/footballlandSign up to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/TheFootballlandWelcome one and all to Footballland! After a slight mix up two of the trio are in Goa, India, while our Lord Sir Chief Ride Engineer Mark Davison is in Doha. So we've been left with no option but to delay the building of our theme park by yet another week. Instead, we have decided to come up with THREE brand new rides for the world's first football theme park, in Qatar, for the World Cup in 2022 in Qatar, in Qatar. This week - a ride dedicated to the greatest goalkeeper you never saw, plus why is Jermaine Jenas giving our guests penis extensions? AND we pump one lucky punter full of drugs every minute! Will you be.... way too pumped?And don't forget to send us your ride ideas. Get them here in time for us to build the park though!With equal love and professional respect,Anthony Richardson (CEO)Mark Davison (Lord Sir Chief Ride Engineer) Ryan Baxter (Intern) And don't forget to send us your ride ideas. Get them here in time for us to build the park though!With equal love and professional respect,Anthony Richardson (CEO)Mark Davison (Lord Sir Chief Ride Engineer) Ryan Baxter (Intern) Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/footballland. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Please Do Something podcast
Talking music and acting with Steve Wall of The Stunning

Please Do Something podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 29, 2022 67:05


Today I talk to Steve Wall, lead singer with Irish bands The Stunning and The Walls. Both bands have racked up an impressive number of classic Irish anthems over many years. As an actor his recent credits include roles in Ridley Scott's 'Raised by Wolves', The Vikings, and The Witcher on Netflix. We chat about the upcoming album Stray Sparks from The Walls, navigating the music business, sparring with Superman Henry Cavill and the differences between the world of acting and playing music. Enjoy the show Brendan Murphy, THE 4 OF US This podcast has been produced by Fuzion Communications.

RTÉ - Arena Podcast
Timothy Spall - Steve Wall - Dublin Fringe Festival - Kevin Can F Himself

RTÉ - Arena Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 25, 2021 49:54


Timothy Spall stars in the Last Bus, a journey from John of Groats to Land's End to honour the memory of his wife, Steve Wall of The Stunning ahead of a series of gigs at Pearse Stadium, Speak Softly, Go Far is an audio-performance with Hannah Mamalis, fringefest.com , Chris Wasser on Kevin Can F Himself, a dark comedy on Amazon with Annie Murphy.

First Thought
Vinyl Hours with Steve Wall

First Thought

Play Episode Listen Later May 25, 2021 48:21


Our summer series of Vinyl Hours music interviews kicks off with an interview with Steve Wall, the renowned actor and singer-songwriter who delighted audiences in The Stunning and wrote songs that defined, and are part of the DNA of, a whole generation of Irish people. Join us Wednesday 30 June for the next edition of Vinyl Hours.  Vinyl Hours is hosted by Tiernan Henry. Galway International Arts Festival 2021 will take place 28 August-18 September. The Stunning play the Heineken Big Top Sunday 17 July 2022 (tickets on giaf.ie)

Beat 102 103
Irish Beats | Steve Wall & Simon O'Reilly

Beat 102 103

Play Episode Listen Later May 24, 2021 50:25


Steve Wall and Simon O'Reilly spoke with Rob about how their track 'Rise With The Sun' was written and recorded across distance during lockdown. They discuss some of the technical nuts and bolts and the joys of pedal steel guitar! There's also chat about their solo work, including Simon's forthcoming soundtrack for the documentary 'Father of the Cyborgs' and how Steve Walls acting career came together. There's a good bit of laughter in this one as Steve and Simon have great banter between them. An edited version of this interview was broadcast on 23rd May 2021.

Path to Well-Being in Law
Path To Well-Being In Law: Episode 13 - Paula Davis

Path to Well-Being in Law

Play Episode Listen Later May 4, 2021 42:50


Paula Davis JD, MAPP, is the Founder and CEO of the Stress & Resilience Institute, a training and consulting firm that partners with organizations to help them reduce burnout and build resilience at the team, leader, and organizational level. Paula left her law practice after seven years and earned a master’s degree in applied positive psychology from the University of Pennsylvania. As part of her post-graduate training, Paula was selected to be part of the University of Pennsylvania faculty teaching and training resilience skills to soldiers as part of the Army’s Comprehensive Soldier and Family Fitness program. The Penn team trained resilience skills to more than 40,000 soldiers and their family members. In addition to her work with the military, she has worked with thousands of professionals, leaders, and teams in many industries, including many of the world's largest law firms. Her expertise has been featured in and on The New York Times, O, The Oprah Magazine, The Washington Post, and in many other publications. Paula is also a contributor to Forbes, Fast Company and Psychology Today. Paula is a two-time recipient of the distinguished teaching award from the Medical College of Wisconsin. You can learn more about her work and get additional burnout prevention and resilience resources by visiting her website here. Transcript:  CHRIS NEWBOLD:             Hello friends and wellbeing advocates. Welcome to The Path to Wellbeing In Law Podcast, an initiative of the Institute for Wellbeing in Law. I'm your cohost, CHRIS, executive vice president of ALPS Malpractice Insurance. And most of our listeners know that our goal here is fairly simple. We want to introduce you to thought leaders doing meaningful work in the space of wellbeing within the legal profession, and in the process, build and nurture a national network of wellbeing advocates intent on creating a culture shift within the professions. I'm thrilled today to be joined by my cohost, Bree Buchanan. Bree, how are you today? BREE BUCHANAN:           I'm doing great, Chris. CHRIS:                                   Good. Good, good. Well, today we're really excited. We have I think a really engaging conversation on tap with one of the nation's foremost experts in reducing burnout and building resiliency. Paula Davis is the founder and CEO of The Stress and Resilience Institute. And her appearance here on the pod is really nicely choreographed with the upcoming release of her new book, Beating Burnout at Work: Why Teams Hold the Secret to Wellbeing and Resilience. Bree, would you be so kind as to introduce Paula to our listeners? BREE:                                     I'd be delighted. So Paula Davis, as Chris said, is the founder and CEO of The Stress and Resilience Institute, which is a training and consulting firm that partners with organizations to help them reduce burnout and build resilience at the team, leader, and organizational level. Paula left her law practice after seven years and earned a master's degree in applied positive psychology from the University of Pennsylvania. Can't wait to hear more about that. And as part of her postgraduate training, Paula was selected to be part of the U Penn's faculty, teaching and training resilience skills to 40,000 soldiers and their families as part of the Army's comprehensive soldier and family fitness program, which sounds fascinating to me. She truly is an expert in this arena. She's been featured in The New York Times, The Washington Post, Forbes, and is a two time recipient of the distinguished Teaching Award from the Medical College of Wisconsin. So Paula, welcome, welcome. We're so glad that you're here. PAULA DAVIS:                   Oh, thank you so much, Bree and Chris. I'm so looking forward to this discussion today. BREE:                                     And we're going to start you off with a question that we ask all of our guests, and I think it's really fascinating to hear a little bit of a backstory of what brings you to the wellbeing movement. As we've interviewed wonderful people over the past several months, we've definitely found that folks have something that has a story there that drives their passion for the work, and we'd love to hear about yours. PAULA:                                 Yes. So the simple answer is that I burned out during what became the last year of my law practice. I practiced in total for seven years, and really going into the sixth year of my practice, was just noticing that I wasn't kind of in love with my practice the way that I had been. I was disengaging in certain ways. I just wasn't as connected to things as I had been. And I just didn't feel like I was managing my stress in the same way. I didn't know what burnout was. If you had told me there was a word called burnout, I may have cobbled together some sort of definition of it, but I certainly didn't have an appreciation for the nuances of what that was.            And really, over the span of about a year's time, kind of started on one end of the spectrum of burnout, where I'd show up to work just 10 minutes later. And it's like, "Monday, I don't want to go in." And so everything became a little bit more effortful. And as that progressed, it became really very much a feeling of exhaustion that I couldn't shake, feeling very cynical, especially toward my clients, so outwardly very professional, but a lot of inward eye rolling going on with: Do we have to have this conversation? Can you figure this out yourself? You're not going to listen to my advice anyway, so why are we having this conversation, kind of mentality, to really at the worst part of it, experiencing panic attacks on a very regular basis, and then being in the emergency room twice because of the stress. I had stomach aches that were so bad that I couldn't physically move, and so I had to go to the hospital for that. So really, seeing kind of that whole span of not so great stuff, took a few wrong turns, but eventually decided that I wanted to go back and get a master's degree in applied positive psychology, thinking that learning the science of wellbeing and learning the science of resilience and what have you, would provide me with the ability to teach other busy professionals, other lawyers, how not to end up in the position that I ended up in. BREE:                                     Right, right. CHRIS:                                   Paula, can you tell us? I'm really curious about again, the notion of you kind of finding yourself, I'll characterize it as unhappy in the profession. And kind of what then took you to ... I hear these great things about this MAPP program at the University of Pennsylvania. Right? Seems like this secret society of awesome people who want to kind of re engineer things in a very positive way, again, a master's of applied positive psychology. What took you there? And then how did that ultimately lead to your development of the Stress and Resilience Institute? PAULA:                                 It took me a long time to find the program. I didn't just happen to go, "Wow, there's this thing called positive psychology, and it's at The University of Pennsylvania." When I was thinking about re-crafting my career when I was burning out, I actually, I loved to bake, so I thought I was going to be a pastry chef. So I had applied to The French Culinary Institute in New York City and was accepted, and was going to go to pastry school, and had the opportunity before I went to do a little bit of a week long kind of externship at a swanky restaurant in San Francisco near where my brother used to live, and hated every minute of it. And it was at that point where I took a step back and thought, "I need to be a little bit more intentional now about what I really want to do post legal profession career." And I ended up hiring a coach who had just finished the positive psychology program that we're talking about. And I said, "There's positive psychology, what is that?" Because my undergrad is in psychology, and I've been fascinated with that area of science. Sorry. I'm hearing a lot of echo. That hasn't happened before. BREE:                                     Let's take a break here and figure that out. A wonderful thing is we have the ability to edit, so we could just fix the problem and then pick it up with the question that Chris asked. PAULA:                                 Sure. CHRIS:                                   Paula, can you tell us about the MAPP program? And obviously, it sounds like you've studied psychology in your undergrad, and I had never heard of a master's of applied positive psychology. It looks to be at the University of Pennsylvania. What led you there? And how did that ultimately kind of transition you into The Stress and Resilience Institute. PAULA:                                 I hadn't heard of it either, and it was absolutely fascinating to me. I was less than intentional in terms of figuring out my next step after my law career, and thought that I was going to go to pastry school because I loved to bake. And so it was again just sort of this random thing that I thought would be a fun thing to do. And I actually went so far as to do a week long internship at a restaurant near where my brother lived in San Francisco and immediately knew it was not the thing that I wanted to do, which was really frustrating because I thought I had figured it all out. I thought I had figured out my escape from law. And it turned out that it was the wrong direction. So what I ended up doing was hiring a coach to help me sort of be more intentional with the next steps in my career. And she had actually just finished the positive psychology, this MAPP program at Penn. And she was telling me about it, and I said, "There's a positive psychology program, what is this?" Because as you mentioned, my undergrad is in psychology, and I've always loved the science of it. But when I finished my undergrad, there wasn't this sort of program yet, nor a named science of positive psychology, and I did not want to go and get an advanced degree in any other aspect of psychology, which is what led me to law school. And so I just started to dig into it, and everything about it just really intrigued me. And because I had wanted to get some sort of formal degree in the science of being able to help busy professionals not burn out, and deal with their stress, and all of that, it just seemed to make the most sense for me, and just really was something that I connected to. And even when I started at the program, I don't know, there was nothing very specific about positive psychology generally that made me go, "I'm going to Penn to learn about this particular aspect of positive psychology." It was really just showing up and sort of being open to what the science was and how I could apply it. And when we got to the components and the sections and the research on resilience, it just really connected with me. It connected with me in a lot of different ways. And I thought it was something, A, that I could've used, and B, that I could teach other people. And the professors and the folks at Penn are really world renowned experts in this area of science. And so once I dug into resilience, it's a passion of mine that has never left. And how this helped to form my institute is that when I finished the program at Penn, the United States Army had actually been putting together a train the trainer resilience program with Penn for their senior non-commissioned officers and officers, just to help them deal with the mental health challenges they were experiencing with all of the deployments and the high op tempo that was going on at the time. And so I had a change to be part of the training team, apply and be accepted to be part of the training team for that program. And what I thought was going to be maybe one or two trainings here and there turned into almost, certainly my post graduate work, but almost every month for three and a half years, either going back to Penn, or traveling around the world to different Army bases to help teach this resilience program. And so it's really where I started to learn how to teach other people these skills and what that meant, and what that looked like. And so certainly, helped to form a very strong foundation for the institute. BREE:                                     Wow. So Paula, let's kind of dig into the subject matter here. Can you tell us about resilience? What is it? And in particular, how do we as lawyers cultivate that? PAULA:                                 Yes. So there are a lot of different definitions of resilience floating around, but the two common themes that most definitions have are one, it's your ability to navigate stress and adversity and challenge and change and failure and setback, so I always punctuate that because that's the thing that makes resilience different from grit, or mindfulness, or wellbeing generally. And those terms are often conflated. So if we're talking about resilience, we're talking very much about our ability to deal with that cluster of things like challenge, change, adversity, setback, failure. But it's also, and a lot of people come up with the phrase like bouncing back, it's also very much though about bouncing forward. So the second big thing with what resilience is, is taking the lessons and the meaning and cultivating that from the challenges and the change and the setback and the failure to apply that to future challenges going forward. So there's very much a positive adaptation to resilience. So it's the navigating through, but then it's also that bouncing forward aspect, so both of those things are important components of resilience. And the important thing to know is that it's not built in any one specific way. So the person who taught me all of these skills would say resilience is like a stew, so there's lots of different ingredients that go into it, and my stew is going to look different than your stew and somebody else's, but that it's really a cluster of skills that help us develop things like self awareness, that helps us develop things like mental strength, so that we can look at and think about problems in a very flexible and accurate way. It helps to remind us that connections and other people really matter, and relationships are central. It helps us, and this is really, it can be difficult but really important for lawyers that when you're going through a challenge, it's important to be realistic about what you're seeing with whatever the obstacle is. But it's also then harnessing a positive aspect to it too. So people who have high levels are resilience are good at harnessing positive emotions and optimism and hope and things like that, so that's a very important part of the equation. And then also, this whole notion of just building your stress awareness. So it's hard to be resilient, it's hard to pivot, it's hard to adapt when you're in the middle of a significant challenge if your tank is consistently empty. And so drawing in on ... So stress awareness principles become important. So I have taken kind of all of those muscles or competencies and distilled them down into three really big pathways, which are building mental strength, prioritizing wellbeing, and then fostering strong connections. So there's a lot of different pieces under each of those components, but those are kind of the three big central pathways that I like to have people focus on when we talk about building it. CHRIS:                                   Interesting. Paula, I'm curious. As you reflect on the state of the legal profession, what kind of grade would you give the profession itself when it comes to resilience? PAULA:                                 That's a great question, but a tough one to answer. CHRIS:                                   It is. PAULA:                                 I will tell you, generally, just looking back at least over 2020, I've been surprised at their level of resilience, and I would say at least at the organizational level, that I have seen. I think that a lot of firms kind of did what they had to do, and pivoted and adapted in ways, and more quickly than I would have expected them to. So I think from an organizational level, I was pretty impressed. I still think that there's more that we can do on an individual level, definitely from a leader and teams perspective, to start to prioritize that skillset kind of a little bit further down the road. BREE:                                     Paula, one more question before we take a break. And when I was a director of a lawyer's assistance program, I spoke to so many callers who were extremely distressed and pretty quickly could get down to the matter that they were not a good fit basically for the legal profession. They were very unhappy, and the things you have to do to be a lawyer wasn't a good fit for them. And as a result, they were just really suffering in a lot of distress, and burnout was just one of the problems that they have. You got to a difficult time in your profession and decided to make a switch to pursue a new path. What advice do you have for anybody who may be listening, who's facing that point? And do you have to leave the profession? What if you really don't want to or can't leave the profession? PAULA:                                 So I would say I'm very much the exception rather than the rule. And so if you're listening and you're thinking, "Wow, I think I might be where she was," I would say a couple of things. I would say, one, say something to somebody. So whether it is a family member, whether it is a partner, associate, or a colleague at work, whether it is a mental health professional, whether it's your physician. And actually, using the word burned out, and what you feel you need in terms of recovery. Right? Are you looking for a sabbatical? Are you just looking for support in a conversation? But to actually say something about it. I kept it in way too long, and that made my burnout go on a lot longer than it needed to. And then if you feel like you really don't want to continue on within the profession, just really taking the time, and for me, it was working with a coach. And so I oftentimes do this work, especially after workshops with lawyers, who we have this kind of conversation. And so it's about exploring all options. It's making sure they understand kind of what goes into that process. It's being very intentional about: What do you want your next step to be? Because we might feel like it's not law, but then we're like, "I don't know what I want to do." And so that's not the time to actually leave and do something different, so it's really starting to kind of crystallize and be very intentional about what you think that next thing is, so those would be the two big pieces that I would say. BREE:                                     Sure, thanks. And Paula, we're going to take a quick break to hear from our sponsors. And then when we come back, we want to delve into listening to you talk about some of the strategies that people can take on to boost the resilience, to deal with burnout, and to talk about your new book. PAULA:                                 Yay. Thanks. BREE:                                     Sure. — Advertisement:                          Your law firm is worth protecting, and so is your time. ALPS has the quickest online application for legal malpractice insurance out there. Apply, see rates, and find coverage all in about 20 minutes. Being a lawyer is hard. Our new online app is easy. Apply now at applyonline.alpsinsurance.com. — CHRIS:                                   All right. We're excited to welcome PAULA to the podcast. Paula, obviously, we want to spend some time talking about your upcoming book release. March 16th is the big day, very exciting, as we look forward. It's called Beating Burnout at Work: Why Teams Hold the Secret to Wellbeing and Resilience. One of the things I wanted to ask is just describe for us the target audience for the book. Is it directed at individuals? Is it directed at employees? And certainly, you're kind of looking at it through I think a different lens that I think is going to kind of add to the science and perspective in this area around burnout. PAULA:                                 Yes. I am looking at it through a different lens. And I think it's a really important lens. So in the book, individuals will absolutely find strategies that they can use to alleviate burnout. But the point of the book and the conversation that I really want to spark with it is that, that's a good starting point. So many programs in this space are focused on individuals and giving individual strategies to help deal with a problem that is actually a very complex systems based issue. And so I also hope, and a big target audience for me would be leaders and anybody who works in a team, so especially leaders of teams, and even organizations themselves, who want to actually take a step back and look at this issue in a bit of a different way because the research is very clear. Both the empirical research and my own research, and anecdotal and coaching and teaching and training, that the individual pieces help, and they're only going to get you so far though, until we start to really draw in the rest of the system to deal with the issue. BREE:                                     So Paula, let's talk a little bit about just sort of definition-ally, the, if that's a word, burnout. How does it affect people? How do they recognize it? And then so that's sort of looking at it from an individual perspective. And then how does burnout affect the employers? PAULA:                                 Yes. So I define burnout as the manifestation of chronic workplace stress, and trying to be very intentional with that. And so the word chronic is important, so we all have bad days, busy weeks, we feel exhausted, especially these days. That doesn't necessarily mean burnout. So the word chronic is important. We usually don't just wake up on day and say, "Oh, I'm burned out." It's something that's been happening over a period of time. And the workplace word is very important also, in that we've become really loose and imprecise with how we use burnout. So we might just have a bad day, and we are like, "Oh, my gosh. I'm so burned out," or you're just tired after a really long week, and you say, "Oh, man. I'm so burned out." And so we've lost kind of the nuance of what that word means. And so we know that stress exists on a spectrum and burnout exists on a spectrum. And you know you're getting closer to burnout when you start to see this combination of chronic exhaustion, cynicism, and inefficacy, so this lost impact, like, "Why bother? Who cares? What am I doing at work? I'm not connected to it. I feel disengaged." So the closer you get to being able to say, "Yeah, I'm experiencing those three things over time, and it's pretty consistent," then you know you've probably traveled over into something that looks a little bit more like burnout. But what's really important is that's oftentimes where the conversation stops. We stop at sort of that symptom level, and then we don't go deeper into actually examining what the causes of burnout are. And that's when we start to get into some of the leader, teams, system based aspects of the issue. CHRIS:                                   Are they typical common themes when it comes to the causes that you've seen in your research? And obviously, you ... I think the book does a really interesting ... You definitely use real world stories to be able to kind of illustrate your points, whether it's working with the Mayo Clinic, or the US Army, or Trivago. Right? I'm just kind of curious on what your real life examples, how that plays into kind of the causes that allow teams, cultures, organizations, to ultimately thrive. PAULA:                                 Yeah. So the basic thing for people to think about if you want sort of a formula about what causes burnout, it's an imbalance between your job demands and your job resources, so it's having too many of the demands, which are things that take consistent effort and energy about your work, and too few of the resources, which are the motivational and energy giving aspects of your work. And everybody's formula is going to look different. So just because you have more job demands than resources doesn't necessarily mean that you will burn out. You might have some really great resources that are really important, like team and leader support, or you have a lot of autonomy in your work. And that's really fortifying and protecting you from burning out. But the research really points to kind of six, there's more than this, but six especially important kind of core job demands that organizations need to be paying attention to because these are big ones. If we aren't getting enough dose of these, this can be problematic. And so it is lack of autonomy, so not feeling like we have a choice, or a say, in how our day unfolds, our projects that we can take on. Do we have decision making discretion, especially when it impacts our work? High workload, this is a real tough one because in my own research, this is probably the number one driver that I see, the number one demand that's pushing a lot of people toward the path of burnout, but it's not easily solved, and so this is a hard one. But it's an important one to pay attention to, so high work load, lack of support from your leadership or colleagues, unfairness. So if you are in an environment where there's a lack of transparency, there's arbitrary decision making, favoritism happening, that's a big one, values disconnect. So I know that I need certain things from work, and my work environment is either giving it to me or not giving it to me, so that's what that means. And then a lack of recognition. And I would say in my own research, this oftentimes tends to be the number two driver for a lot of people. And it's not just they don't hear thank you enough, which is part of it. But a lot of people will tell me that it is, I feel like I'm doing work at a certain level, but I don't have a title that matches that. I hear that from a lot of lawyers in corporate legal departments, where they expected a VP title, or some extension of that, and they don't have it. And so that's a frustration. And then that is wearing, and they're not pulled into meetings and decisions that they know they would be capable of being part of. And so I would say that's probably, like I said, a number two problem that I see. But those are really the ones that leaders and teams and organizations need to be paying attention to. CHRIS:                                   And we hear a lot about kind of the qualities of highly effective leaders. I would guess that you would advance the theory that identifying those imbalances between demands and resources is probably oftentimes an overlooked element. That's a precursor to then really preventing and realizing the efficiency and the output of teams and organizations, and a lack of that either reflects the lack of empathy of lack of understanding about how burnout ultimately occurs. PAULA:                                 100%. And one thing I like to tell leaders too is that there's a fantastic assessment tool, you can measure those six. So you can actually, and this is how I know, when I tell you number one is probably workload and number two is lack of recognition from my own work, because I've given that assessment. It's the Areas of Work Life Survey, which is a fantastic tool to help leaders. And then I can have a very specific conversation with them and say, "Look, you have a lack of recognition problem." And if I'm able to do some coaching with the team on the backend of, or after a workshop, I can start to distill that into very specific themes that I can, in a broad way, send back to the leader and say, "Look, here's kind of what I'm seeing in terms of what's going on with the team." And now we can have a very targeted conversation about how to address that and how to move forward. So it helps that there's a way to kind of formally dig into this a little bit because then you can have a much, much different conversation because it makes no sense for me to be talking about unfairness, or lack of autonomy. Those things aren't problems or issues for your team. CHRIS:                                   And for our listeners, is there a sponsoring entities of that Areas of Work Life Survey for them too? PAULA:                                 It's a proprietary instrument, but you can buy licenses for it at mindgarden, M-I-N-D, garden.com. CHRIS:                                   Okay. BREE:                                     And so Paula, we can't ignore the context in which we find ourselves right now. We're recording this in March of 2021. How has the pandemic increased burnout among workers and lawyers? PAULA:                                 So I think from a purely anecdotal standpoint, I would say it has definitely increased for many people. And a lot of the ... I take a little bit of a measured approach when I see the headlines about burnout is rampant right now and things like that because a lot of where that's coming from are not empirically based studies, but simply informal survey measures and tools of people, which are completely fine. But when I start to see reports that there's 80% of people feel burned out in this particular profession or organization, I tend to take that with a little bit of a grain of salt because what is probably being measured is maybe something a little bit more like stress, or stress focus, than actual burnout. But I would certainly say from what I have heard from folks that the rates are elevated and people are certainly feeling this, especially folks who are parents and who are trying to manage those homeschooling and the working and trying to get work done. And all of a sudden, our days are now extended, and we don't have boundaries and things like that. So I mean, it'd be hard to say that things are or have stayed the same. I think they're absolutely, the rates are higher. CHRIS:                                   And Paula, I'm curious, you said something about kind of the interconnectedness of stress and burnout, actually probably being two separate and independent things. One may lead to the other. But can you provide some greater context to that? PAULA:                                 Yeah. So I always tell people to kind of think about all burnout is stress, but not all stress is burnout. So we deal with stressful things on a very regular basis. We deal with big stressors, we deal with our daily episodic, just traffic hassles and kid stuff, and just general type of stressful events. But stress exists on a spectrum, and most of us handle stressful events just fine, and we have our tools that we use and things that we do, and everything is fine. And it's sort of like I had mentioned before, like when you start to leave kind of like, "I can figure this out, and I'm doing good," and to into more of that, "Gosh, I'm chronically exhausted. People are really bugging me. And I'm starting to kind of unplug or disengage from what I'm doing that you've kind of gone into more of a burnout realm." CHRIS:                                   All right. And if you characterized yourself in a position where you feel like you're approaching burnout, what can you do about it? Right? And what advice do you have for law firm partners who kind of think about productivity issues? And I'm just kind of curious on: What's a pathway for folks when they kind of reach that realization? What can they do about it? PAULA:                                 So again, so I there's kind of two aspects to that question. In part, it's kind of the right question, but also, the better question is: How does the system need to react in order to make sure that positive cultures are developed so that people are less likely to burn out? So that's really the question that we should be looking at. But I don't want to ignore that there certainly are things that we can do. They're probably not what people intuitively think though, so it's not about wellness apps and yoga and things like that, which are completely wonderful stress management tools. But if you're burning out, it's deeper than that. It's about needing to take a step back, and I call it understanding your wiring. So a lot of lawyers, a lot of high need for achievement professionals, we say yes to everything, we're not good at asking for help. We have very narrow definitions of success, and we make comparisons based on that. And we tend to over rely on achievement to feel worthy. And so I talk about in the book: What can individuals do to prevent burnout if they're feeling like that, or kind of going in that direction? And it's a lot of that deeper wiring examining stuff. Right? It's understanding counterproductive thinking. Am I catastrophizing a lot? Because it's a very wearing style of thinking. Am I overthinking a lot? And do I need to deal with that? One of the pieces that I talk about in the book is understanding your icebergs or your rules, which are your core values and beliefs about how you think the world should operate. So a lot of lawyers carry with them very powerful beliefs about clients come first in all circumstances. If I can't do something myself, if I can't do it right myself, then I shouldn't do it at all. I have to be perfect, or there's no other standard. And so we have to understand how rigid those beliefs and values are and how they are causing us to maybe not deal with stress in the right way. They impact our leadership abilities. They impact our ability to kind of form good relationships. And so it's that deeper level kind of conversation that needs to be had for individuals to really start to kind of turn the tide when it comes to burnout, but that's of course in the context of the system stuff that we've talked about. BREE:                                     Right. I'm really curious about, in your book, you talk about the value of teams, about building wellbeing and resilience. Can you talk about why that is so particularly potent in dealing with these issues? PAULA:                                 Yeah. No, I love, I've just become so excited about kind of this teams intersection over the last handful of years for a whole host of reasons, in part because I think in the legal profession, we do a lot of work in teams, but we don't think that way. We don't talk in terms of teams' language. And so there's a lot of things that we can leverage about the value of teams that I think we aren't doing right now. But where I initially kind of came up with that idea is I was thinking to myself after reading all of this research, it's like, wow, if the individual approach isn't the answer, but I can't walk into a firm and say, "You have to change your organizational culture," because that's never going to happen either. It was sort of like: What is the doable kind of middle ground? What is the entry point into the system where I can really affect change at the team level collectively, with leaders, and with individual contributors? And so the teams models made the most sense to me for a lot of reasons, and teams are really individual little mini systems. They're little mini cultures. And so every leader has the opportunity, and every person who's part of a team has the opportunity to influence their little culture in some way. And so for me, it was if I can get these little mini systems and little mini cultures kind of using some of these small strategies and techniques, that will help the team, which will have a ripple effect kind of throughout the organization is my hope. So most people do their work in teams, teamwork is the way of work these days. And so there was just a lot of benefit to that entry point for me. CHRIS:                                   It's also interesting I think on the teams side of things that again, when you're part of a group of individuals that have identified and committed to a core set of values, then you can ... Then cultural acceleration can occur. Right? PAULA:                                 Yeah. CHRIS:                                   And then accountability kind of comes into the picture a little bit more deliberately as opposed to kind of everybody being on their own, either departmental, or the practice area, specific type cultures that kind of allows you to again, rally around something that can be more universal. And I think you're a big proponent of I think a holistic approach rather than a more siloed approach. PAULA:                                 Yes, 100%. And one of the things that most people say when I was doing in person workshops, I had a chance for people to really, for lawyers to really sit down and talk about their job demands and their job resources, almost universally, one of the most potent job resources that lawyers would cite in terms of what's keeping me here, what I love about my work, is other people on their team, their colleagues. Many of them would say if it wasn't for this particular person, or these three people, I would have a really hard time in this environment, or I would've left five years ago. So recognizing that and becoming better I think at relying on other people within the team, in a whole host of ways, I think can be very fortifying for people. CHRIS:                                   And so much, it feels like so much of our quest on the wellbeing front is ... We had Steve Wall from Morgan Lewis on the last podcast. And he spoke so eloquently about the way that just a common set of individuals as part of a team can engineer a culture shift on wellbeing, and it certainly feels like our ability to more effectively work through the team structure, whether it's an executive committee, partnership, group, or whatever it is, certainly seems like maybe a potential catalyst for us when we think about wellbeing success. PAULA:                                 Oh, huge, it's 100%. And I mean, really, over the last couple of years in earnest especially, I've really ... I mean, that's been part of how my work has shifted. And it's been very interesting to see the wellbeing movement, how it looked in 2010 when I finished my master's in positive psychology to what it's doing today has just been phenomenal. And where I've tried to start to steer the conversation at least in my own little sphere with my work, is toward this teams and leaders and sort of system based, kind of I call it 2.0 conversation. Whether you're talking about resilience and needing to apply resilience frameworks at a team level or a leader level, in addition to all of the individual piece. But from a burnout standpoint too, the burnout conversation I think is going to necessitate a 2.0 conversation because we just know so specifically that it can't be cured with just the individual approach alone. So I'm excited about that. BREE:                                     That's so important. And Paula, as we round out our time together, tell us. Where can we get your book? PAULA:                                 Yes. So I will send folks to beatburnoutnow.com. So that will take you to my book page on my website, where you will be able to find the Amazon link and a whole host of other spots to pre order or buy my book, so beatburnoutnow.com. CHRIS:                                   And fair to say, Paula, that you also work actively with organizations around the country, around the world, as they look to build more effective teams and reduce burnout and build resiliency. PAULA:                                 Yes. This is a lot, this is most of what I'm doing these days. And this is where I want to continue the direction and the focus. So nothing gets me more excited than getting in and working with a team and talking to a team, and starting to figure out some of these pieces about what's working well. And what are areas that we can improve? CHRIS:                                   Well, good. Paula, thank you so much for joining us on the podcast. I know that your work has broader applicability than just solely the legal professional, but certainly with your career pivot in the middle, I think the theories and the systemic approach certainly apply just as effectively to law firms and any entity within the legal space. We're talking more organizational shifts, right? And it doesn't necessarily, again, it applies I think across the board to the legal profession. So congratulations, first of all, on your book. We're excited to be able to get it and promote it to our wellbeing community. And we thank you so much for joining us on the podcast today. PAULA:                                 Thank you so much, Chris and Bree. I really enjoyed this conversation. BREE:                                     Thanks, Paula. CHRIS:                                   Awesome. And we'll be back in a couple weeks with another guest from within the wellbeing movement. And one of the things I love about the podcast is again, the ability to bring on just different types of people. And Paula's one of the first that not necessarily focusing right now on the legal space, but again, the principles of what she's advocating for apply on a more holistic, whatever organization you're at. So we'll continue to look to bring a diversity of perspective to our podcast guests. Thanks again, Paula, for joining us. And we'll see you in a couple weeks. PAULA:                                 Thanks. CHRIS:                                   Thanks for listening.

Path to Well-Being in Law
Path To Well-Being In Law Podcast: Episode 12 - Steven Wall

Path to Well-Being in Law

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 13, 2021 48:44


CHRIS NEWBOLD:                Hello, friends and well-being advocates. Welcome to the Path to Well-Being In Law podcast, an initiative of the Institute for Well-Being In Law. I'm your co-host Chris Newbold, Executive Vice President of ALPS Malpractice Insurance. And as you know, our goal is to introduce you to thought leaders doing meaningful work in the space of well-being within the legal profession, and in the process build and nurture a national network of well-being advocates intent on creating a culture shift within the profession. I'm thrilled to be joined by my co-host Bree Buchanan, and I'm proud to announce that as well, and I'll give Bree a chance to weigh in here, but I also wanted to announce that Bree has transitioned from the co-chair of the national taskforce for lawyer wellbeing, to the first president of the Institute for Well-Being In Law, which is a natural Baton pass from the national task force to the Institute. She's such a great organizer and we are in really good hands with her at the helm. So Bree, welcome. BREE BUCHANAN:           Thank you Chris. When you said that, I think my heart skipped a beat. CHRIS:                 You didn't know I was going there, but I felt like that's newsworthy. And I want to make sure that that folks know that Bree is continuing in leadership. And as we launched the Institute for Well-Being In Law, she'll be such a great leader for us. And today I'm very excited to welcome to the podcast, I'd characterize him as a quiet yet influential well-being advocate, Steve Wall of Morgan Lewis, and a conversation about reducing stigmas within the law firm culture and how to overcome individual battles with disorders while maintaining a successful practice. Bree, I'm going to pass it to you to introduce Steve, and Steve, welcome to the podcast. STEVE WALL:                          Thank you very much, Chris. Great to be here. BREE:                Wonderful. Well, as an introduction, Steve Wall is an award-winning attorney and a managing partner for Morgan Lewis & Bockius, which is truly a global firm. And we were just talking to Steve before we got started and learned that there are 2100 attorneys as part of Morgan Lewis in 31 office around the world. So truly, truly global. And it's one of the top firms in the world in regards to the number of lawyers. As managing partners, Steve is responsible for the global firm's practices, industry initiatives, lateral partner recruitment, and strategic business planning. And he's also, as if that's not enough to do, he's also a senior partner in its labor and employment practice. So Steve, thank you so much for being here. We're so thrilled to have you. STEVE:                          I'm very grateful for the opportunity. Thank you, Bree. BREE:                So Chris, I'll let you get us started here. CHRIS:  Yeah. So Steve, I think one of the things that we customarily do with our guests is just talk to you about what brought you into the well-being space. And normally most of us have some type of a personal perspective that catapulted this issue to the forefront for us. And so we just love it, to start with your personal story and how you found yourself where you are today and some of the challenges that you may have faced as you built a very successful law practice at Morgan Lewis. STEVE:                        Yeah. Thanks Chris. For me it's very simple. I came into the well-being community because of my own addiction to alcohol, which impacted me from the time I was a teenager until 11 years ago when I came into recovery, and I've been in recovery ever since. For me, alcoholism has been a major part of my life as it has impacted my entire family. Both of my parents were active alcoholics until the time they passed, as were many of my grandparents and relatives. Unfortunately, two of my brothers died of this disease. And so I count myself as extremely fortunate and very grateful that I was able to find recovery at a later point in my life than I wish I had, but at least I did. And as such, I believe there is much to give back to those who helped make my recovery possible. And as you mentioned earlier, to eliminate to the extent possible, humanly possible, the stigma that surrounds mental health challenges and addiction. BREE:               Absolutely. That is such an issue. And I'll tell you, I just jumped a little bit when you said 11 years ago. I shared my recovery story in our first podcast, but it was 11 years ago that I got into recovery, also for an alcohol use disorder. And I too wished I had not waited until I was 45 years old to make that change in my life. But it is just amazing the gifts that have come from those 11 years of sobriety. D you have the same experience? STEVE:                Absolutely. It's great to know that we're siblings in recovery Bree. Because those 11 years seem to have gone by very, very quickly. But my life has changed immensely. I was what you would call the classic functional alcoholic. And while my disease continued to worsen and the personal consequences of being an addict continued to take their toll, at the same time, I was continuing my career as a big law firm associate, a big law firm partner, a big law firm leader, and literally separated my personality between the addict side of me, which was the true side of me, and then the professional side of me, which is what I wanted you to see. And as we all know when it all crashes, that separation goes away. BREE:                Yeah. And so painful. It's like you are speaking my story to that separation. And so people wonder, it's like, "Well, how can you have such an issue with alcohol and yet you seem to be just hitting all the buttons at work?" And it's hard to understand. Let me ask you, just digging a little bit deeper, what got you into recovery 11 years ago? If you don't mind my asking. STEVE:                         Sure. I realized in my thirties that my alcohol use disorder was causing problems. It was causing problems in my personal relationships. It was causing potential problems in my professional life because I would engage in behaviors around drinking which today certainly would not be acceptable. Back in the 1980s, work hard party hard had a different meaning to it than it does now. And so I, I made the mistake that so many of us that have large egos and who believe that we can control everything about our surroundings, I made the mistake in believing that I could control my drinking. And so that started about a decade long attempt to control my drinking, which had positive consequences, because a lot of the negative things around my drinking mitigated, and I wasn't doing the stupid things and putting myself in stupid positions that I had been before. But then as we know the disease of addiction progresses and it doesn't get better. And so I then found myself falling back into the types of behaviors, the lying, the hiding, the making up excuses as to why I was late or not available for professional and personal matters. And that led to about a 10 year descent into a dark state. All of the things that happen to individuals around addiction. BREE:                Right. STEVE:                          My physical health started to worsen, my ability to have strong personal relationships with people was being cracked. My professional life was at risk because of circumstances I would put myself in. And it all came down to a Sunday morning breakfast in a diner where across the table from me was my boss at the time who was then the chair of the firm and my wife. Who had gotten together, and both said, "Enough." That my attempt to divide my life between my professional life and my personal life had now ended with a two by four to my head. And I had a simple choice, which was to do something about it and to seek help for the first time in my life, or to let both parts of my life leave because that was the choice that they gave me. BREE:                I ran into that same two by four, and it is a painful wake up call for sure. And so I, why we're asking you about these things, Steve, of course, I'm sure you know the point of this is to try to, for us to share our stories. So something resonates with one of our listeners who may be starting to think there's an issue, or they're worried about somebody else and bring that light on. Just another question, you said that you started to develop some awareness that you were having this dual life and issues with the alcohol in your thirties, but then there was this 10 year period that you just knew you needed to hide it, or borough it, keep people from knowing the extent of the problem. That's certainly something that I experienced. What was going through your mind during that period of time that kept you from taking the step to get help and start getting some relief and get better? STEVE:                          Yeah, great question. And it ultimately has to do with who I thought I was as a person. And I believe that in this way, I have a lot in common with many, many attorneys. Now, we are trained to be problem solvers. We are trained to be analytical. We are cheered and given great reward for the success we have in solving other people's problems. And as a result, we developed this false persona that there is no issue that we are incapable of solving ourselves. And the single biggest factor that kept me from recognizing the depth of my addiction and getting into recovery sooner, was my inability to recognize that I could not do this myself and I had to seek help. BREE:                Yeah. STEVE:                          And when it finally became evident that if I did not seek help, I was going to lose everything that was dear to me personally and professionally, for the first time in my life, 11 years ago, I sought help. And when I sought that help, I was honest about what was going on with me, as opposed to trying to project an image of somebody who had it all together and had everything under control. And if there was one thing different I could do in my life, it would be to have that moment of grace which I had 11 years ago about the necessity of reaching out to others for help when you're dealing with mental health issues. BREE:                Yeah. I think of one word that, that can answer that question for me. And it comes down to ego of you just sort of devolve everything down into what's keeping you from being honest, keeping you from asking for help. Which is, asking for help is not something we lawyers do very well. Chris, let you jump in here a little bit. CHRIS:                     Yeah. Steve, I was going to ask, do you feel like you find yourself where you are today without that boss-wife conversation? STEVE:                          Probably not. I have worked enough in recovery with other alcoholics and addicts to know that everybody's bottom is different. Sometimes the bottom is because you get caught up in the legal system through DUIs or other criminal activity, and that's often a wake up call. And I certainly could have seen myself headed in that direction if I had continued to use. Sometimes it's health. The doctor basically says, as he said to my father, before my father drank himself to death at the age of 55, "If you don't stop drinking you are going to die." And sometimes that brings people into the rooms of recovery. But for me, it was the recognition that my efforts to keep my professional life distinct from my personal life has now failed, and that they were talking to one another and both were going away if I did not get honest with both and deal with the mental health challenges that I had. So for me personally, that was the wake up call. And I'm grateful for it. I've expressed to both of those individuals how grateful I am. I wasn't particularly grateful that Sunday morning in the diner, but since that time, I've developed a sense of gratitude and understanding of how hard it was for the two of them, neither of which have addiction issues and found it impossible to believe that the person that they loved and had worked with for decades could not control this problem of drinking. CHRIS:                   Yeah. And I think one of the things that's... We talk a lot in the well-being movement about the desire for a culture shift. And I've always been of the belief that it takes individuals like yourself who actually have a thumb on the pulse of culture within law firms that could really be the catalyst for us to significantly move forward. Right? If your boss hadn't come and sat you down, this could be a very different ending. And Steve, I'm curious on your just reflections. I think I'm right in saying that you've spent your entire career at Morgan Lewis, right? So you've seen the firm grow up if you will. And just your general impressions of how much culture has shifted per se, in terms of, again, the ability for folks to have more honest conversations about things that are affecting them, particularly in their health happiness, which we know ultimately affects productivity as well. STEVE:                          Chris, great questions. Because I joined Morgan first as a summer associate after my second year of law school at Cornell Law School. And I then joined Morgan Lewis after I graduated, and then worked for a year on the Third Circuit Court of Appeals as a clerk, and then came back to Morgan Lewis. And so, my entire adult life, my entire professional life has been with this same institution. And there has been massive change, which is not unique to Morgan Lewis, but it's a change that, over the course of the last 11 years, I've been privileged to quicken and hopefully bring to the point where we can become an example of positive mental health awareness and practices within professional law firms. The differences are many, but I would say that the key ones are, I grew up in an environment where everyone honored working really hard, really intensely, personal problems were just that, they were personal problems. If you were going through marital issues or relationship issues, you just had to deal with them. If you were going through mental health issues, well, suck it up, because that's not what our clients pay us for. Our clients pay us to work hard, solve their problems, appear indestructible in what we do. And I look back now over my time at the firm in the eighties and the nineties, and I see victims of that culture. I see people who I know, if we had been the firm that we are today, we could have helped those people. They might still be here. They might still be alive, as opposed to having found themselves in situations where they could not extricate themselves from the horror of descent into bad mental health. And I've seen many careers and marriages and personal lives destroyed by addiction over the course of the last 30 years. So the work hard-party hard culture really needs to be put aside forever, because it just makes no sense. And the stigma, and you put it Bree, ego, the belief that we as lawyers are indestructible and that nothing should bother us, that's not what people pay us for. That cultural problem has to go away too, because it just isn't true. We're just like everybody else. In fact, the intensity of our profession makes it more likely, as all of you know, from the great studies done by Patrick Krill, the intensity of our profession makes it more likely that we will suffer from mental health than many, many other professions and many, many other jobs that people have in our economy. BREE:                Absolutely. So well put. And Steve, I just want to dig a little bit more into your story, because I think that there is further lessons for people that might be listening. When I finally had that two by four to the head and decided to do something, for me, I waited too long and I ended up losing my marriage and losing my job. So I went to the other side of what you wanted to avoid. But man, when it got my attention, I threw myself into every single thing that I could think of to get better. What was part of your recovery? What helped you? STEVE:                          Yeah. There was a series of things. It started with, I knew, but more importantly, I knew but couldn't articulate it, but wife and my boss knew that I had to take a break from the practice of law and from my service as managing partner to care for myself. I didn't know what it meant to care for myself. I was always physically active. I always ran and worked out and try to keep myself in physical state, primarily, so I could continue to work hard. But I never understood what it meant to care for oneself as opposed to taking care of everybody else's problems. And so I went to rehab for 30 days, and it was at the time, in the beginning, the absolute scariest thing I'd ever done. I thought my life was over. I thought my job was gone. I thought my marriage was leaving while I was away. I didn't know how to focus on what was really going on with me. I had never dealt with the fact that I grew up in an alcoholic household. I never dealt with the sense of abandonment, of being the oldest of five children and feeling responsible for everybody because my parents were not capable because of their own illness to deal with the things that they had to deal with. So that stint in rehab helped me immensely to be able to focus on that. But what I learned in rehab was, it would have been a complete wasted effort if I didn't make recovery, the single most important thing in my life going forward. And that didn't mean that I had to leave my job or change my personal relationships. What it meant was that I had to put through the prism of my recovery, every single thing that I did from that point forward. And for the most part, I haven't been perfect. But for the most part over the last 11 years, that's exactly what I've done. There was a six month period of time where I did not travel for work. I didn't feel safe traveling. There was a, for two years, I saw a recovery coach, an addiction therapist, at least two times a week, if not more, so that I would stay grounded on what was important, My recovery. I became a member of a 12-step program, still I'm today. I did a lot of service in that 12-step program and still do today. And all of those things were designed to keep me focused on that single most important thing, which was my recovery. Because without my recovery, every single thing that's important to me would then be gone. And the mistake I had made in the 30 years prior was thinking that the other things were the most important and that I can deal with this alcohol thing if I just had time. If I didn't have to work so hard, I wouldn't have to drink. If I didn't have to deal with relationship issues, I wouldn't have to drink. BREE:                Right. STEVE:                          And what I learned was, if I don't drink, all of those things get better over time. CHRIS:                    Did you consider leaving the practice of law? Or was the aspiration to get back there, but just as a different person, so to speak? STEVE:                          I was confronted with that possibility by my therapist, multiple therapists, by my wife, by my boss. I was confronted with, "Is it going to be better for you to leave the firm and do something else?" I didn't want to, there was huge fear associated with that. And where I ended up was, that I didn't have to. Because the things I talked about earlier, things such as putting my 12 step meetings in my work calendar so that my assistant and everyone else knew when I was not available. Telling all of the partners with whom I worked and telling clients with whom I worked, that I had gone to rehab, that I was in recovery, and that I did not drink any longer. Those are the things that allowed me to continue to practice law. Because that divide between my professional life and my personal life, that the lying, the hiding, the projection of somebody who I wasn't, that all had to end. And thankfully it did end. So the clients I spoke to about my addiction, about my time off in rehab, about the fact that I couldn't travel to see them, they were incredibly receptive. And their reception and their understanding allowed me to continue to do what I do. And as time went on, I began to help them. As time went on, a number of clients and colleagues who have come to me because of addiction issues that they're facing either themselves or with family members or with friends, or with colleagues, has allowed me to give back in a way that they gave to me early on in my recovery. And that's made it... In fact, now to me, it's inconceivable to me that I would leave my position until I retire, because I now know I can do so much good by being an example of a senior partner at a global law firm who's in recovery. And by being that good example, hopefully give others the hope that they too can deal with the issue and recover. And whether they're the spouse of an addict or the colleague of an addict or an addict themselves, I now know that I can give hope to those people because they see me, who I am today, different than who I was a lot of years ago. Hmm. CHRIS:              This is a good time, I think, for our first break. But let me be the first Steve, to thank you for sharing your story. There's a vulnerability that has allowed you to share your experience in a way that I'm sure resonates with many listeners out there. And again, your willingness then to both share that in a raw account and then be willing to give back and identify and help others in similar situations. That's what we need within the profession. The ability for us to step back, reflect, but then re-engage for the betterment of our profession and how it serves society. And we certainly appreciate your willingness to come onto the podcast and share your individual story. BREE:                 Yes, absolutely. CHRIS:              Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk a little bit more about Morgan Lewis and some advice Steve has for law firm leaders as we continue to advance the well-being movement. — ADVERTISEMENT:                           Your law firm is worth protecting, and so is your time. ALPS has the quickest online application for legal malpractice insurance out there. Apply, see rates, and bind coverage, all in about 20 minutes. Being a lawyer is hard, our new online app is easy. Apply now at applyonline.alpsnet.com. — BREE:                All right, welcome back everybody. And we have, again with us today, Steve Wall, who is managing partner at one of the largest global firms on the planet, Morgan Lewis & Bockius, and have been having a really amazing, honest, deep conversation about recovery. We really want to sort of switch gears a little bit, and let's start talking about the legal system in general and what's going on in the shifts around well-being. So I know some of the things that I know about Morgan Lewis is that your firm was one of the original signatories of the ABA's Well-Being Pledge for legal employers. I know, and we're delighted to say Morgan Lewis is a founding champion, a supporter of our Institute, the Institute for Well-Being In Law. Could you talk a little bit about some of the things that Morgan Lewis has done specifically around programming for well-being? And just different initiatives in structural changes? STEVE:                          Yeah. That I think you know there's so much more that we can do at Morgan Lewis and that law firms can do generally, but I'm very proud of what we've done under the leadership of our current chair, Jami McKeon, over the last six years. We were one of the original signatories to the ABA Pledge and proud to be that. We have had mandatory training of all of our lawyers on mental health issues within the profession. We have encouraged our human resources team, our practice leadership team, our senior partners across the firm to be very active with much empathy when it comes to mental health issues across the firm. We are committed to eliminating the stigma that comes with mental health. I often, Bree, as you can understand, I often analogize it to diabetes. If I had a partner or an associate who is suffering from diabetes, and as a result had to be quite disciplined about his or her diet and needed to ensure that they were able to eat and ingest food and nutrients on a regular basis, I would bend over backwards as a leader of the firm to ensure that that individual had what he or she needed in order to stay healthy as a diabetic. And we should be doing the exact same thing with mental health. We should recognize it as an illness that is no one's fault. There is no good or bad about a person who suffers from mental health. They are not evil. They are not weak. They are not bad people. They are sick people who need our help. And the more we can do to eliminate that stigma, the more we will allow people to come forward and ask for the help that so many of them so desperately need. So that cultural shift has been a huge shift within our firm, but we also see it in some of the ways in which we act. Morgan Lewis has a very special relationship with Caron treatment centers, which is one of the country's most well-known and best addiction treatment facilities in Wernersville, Pennsylvania. We have made arrangements for many, many of our lawyers to seek treatment there. We have helped the organization financially. We have invited some of their treatment personnel to speak to our lawyers. We've made clear that if someone needs assistance, they're going to do it with our help, not behind our back, because we want to know. Other things we've done, I mentioned the training. But we've had a special relationship with one of your colleagues, Patrick Krill, who has personally met with the entire leadership of the firm, our advisory board and our management committee, which are the top leadership groups within our firm. Had a two hour presentation by Patrick Krill a couple of years ago, in which he helped us understand the types of things that we needed to do to set a culture that was conducive to strong mental health. And we have recognized we have a very liberal leave of absence policy that does not distinguish between leaves of absence for mental health and leaves of absence for physical disabilities, which we all understand. If someone needs to have surgery on their back, we understand why they can't be available to work. Well, the same is true for someone who needs to take time off to go to rehab, to go to counseling to seek psychological assistance. It's no different than that person who had back surgery and who we recognize, explicitly, needs time off before they can come back to work. BREE:                One of the things I think is just indicative of the commitment, I believe Morgan Lewis was one of the very first to create a position within the firm. You have a Director of Well-Being, and that just speaks volumes as well. STEVE:                          Yes. And Krista Larson is that director of well-being and she is fantastic. And we focus, not just on the problems associated with mental health, but we focus on mitigating mental health. So as we speak right now, some of the things that we've done with pandemic is, we started several years ago and Krista joined us. We started what we call ML Well, and ML Well is an initiative involving hundreds of our attorneys and many of our staff in which they design get togethers, they design concepts, they design webinars. And we've used that base during the pandemic to really drive opportunities for people to come together. So it might be virtual cooking classes, virtual meditation classes, virtual yoga, opportunities for families and children to come together. All of that is part of ML Well. So ML Well drives a lot of positive behavior that helps us relieve the anxiety and the pressure of our jobs. The fact that we have yoga programs several times a week, that attorneys and staff can join virtually, as opposed to encouraging them to join a happy hour or just take a drink, that's the big change. I remember as a young lawyer really enjoying Thursday afternoon happy hours because it was a chance to get away from my desk. It was a chance to meet up with colleagues. And the fact that drinking was involved was just, that's just the way it was. We don't need to do just that anymore. We still that because the majority of our lawyers have no issue with alcohol and use it socially, and they should, but for those who worry about that, or do have issues, or want to refrain from engaging in that activity, we have numerous other ways to relieve stress, to engage with your colleagues, to get to know people other than working across the table or computer from them on the client work that we do. CHRIS:                    Steve, one of the things that we are actively working on in terms of our national movement is how to most effectively measure success. And I'm curious as you think about Morgan Lewis's investment in well-being, how do you know that the commitment that you're making is having the desired outcomes, right? Obviously you invested in Krista's position with a sense that there would be, either a return on investment, or the culture shift. And I'm just curious as you think about that, how do you know that you've succeeded or that you're moving the ball forward? STEVE:                          Well, the individual examples that I'm aware of, the individual lives that we've helped better, are enough for me. I know though, for every individual person that I have been involved with or am aware of, there are many, many more who simply see that example and have sought help themselves. I'm constantly amazed even with my openness about my recovery, I'm constantly amazed at how partners and associates will come up to me, who I've known for years, and will tell me how proud they are of the firm, that they've been in recovery themselves for five, 10, 15, 25 years. And I never knew that. I never was aware that those individuals existed. And now they're willing to come forward and acknowledge it. And by acknowledging it, they're changing the culture. But there have been many, many individuals who I know would not be at the firm today, and may in fact be dead if it weren't for the opportunities and the reach out and the positive reinforcement that our firm has given those individuals. By sponsoring them to go for help, by working with them on post rehabilitation, changes in their work life, by telling them that it's okay. It's okay that you're, for example, living in a halfway house while still serving as a partner at the firm. It's okay if you have to take off every Tuesday and Thursday afternoon to go see your therapist and still be a successful associate at the firm. Those are the things that we're doing openly for those people. And then you know in any organization, people see those things. And when they see that those things are okay, it gives them a license to take care of themselves better. So I don't need to see statistics because I know that the dozen or more individuals that I've personally been involved with have reaped great benefits for dozens more who see the change in the lives of those individuals at the firm. CHRIS:             Yeah. I love that. I also imagine that you're utilizing that in some respects in your talent acquisition of the new lawyers coming into the firms from law schools. Yeah. It certainly feels like work-life balance is becoming more prominent in terms of the next generation. And your commitment, I'm guessing, is part of one of those strategies that allows you to recruit the best and the brightest into the firm. STEVE:                          You're absolutely correct. We still hire the majority of our people through the traditional summer program. I'll be at remote in 2020 and likely remote in 2021. But prior to that, we changed up completely the social events around our summer program. I ran the summer program for three years when I was a junior partner, I know the pressure that a summer program that's heavy on drinking events puts on people who don't like to, or can't drink. I know intuitively that we lost Helen, who decided not to join us because the work hard party hard culture was not for them. Well, that doesn't exist anymore. We don't sponsor those activities anymore. We don't allow those activities anymore. The activities we have now around the summer program, around our new attorney orientation, around our partner orientation, around our partner meeting, the activities are more healthy. They include opportunities to have a social drink with a colleague, but they don't include open bar for hours at a time. They don't include, the only opportunity to engage socially is to hang out at a bar, at a hotel, in a hotel lobby. They include things like mountain bike riding in Arizona, and kayaking, and having a celebrity chef come in to teach us how to cook. They include the types of things that have the exact same impact on allowing you to take a break, socialize with your colleagues, relieve anxiety. They allow you to do all that without the unhealthy behavior that sometimes comes with a drinking event. BREE:                And also to have fun. Those things that you're talking about sound like tremendous fun. Steve, just a final question, it's of two parts. Do you have some closing words of advice for new lawyers who are coming on who want to be both successful and well? And do you have any words of advice for the more senior lawyers who might see this movement as a bit beyond their experience in law or perhaps even irrelevant? What do you have to say to those folks? STEVE:                          Yeah, I do Bree. And I'm in no special position other than my own experience. And there are two things that I would change in my life if I could at this point. One, adopt and find healthy habits to relieve the stress and pressure of our very intense profession. Do something that you love to do. Whether it's physical exercise, reading, music, volunteering, giving back to others, do something that makes you feel good. There's always, always room and time to take care of yourself. No one expects you to work yourself to death, which is the direction that so many of our lawyers, whether addicts or not, find themselves in. So adopt a healthy lifestyle that allows you to both be a successful professional in an intense profession, but to keep yourself well. The second point is, do not allow the historic stigma around mental health from stopping you from doing the right thing. And I don't direct that to people who suffer mental health challenges themselves, I'm directing that to healthy people who see unhealthy behaviors in other people, but because of the stigma around mental health challenges, stay quiet. They're embarrassed for the person, they're embarrassed for themselves. They don't know what to do. And if all of us who live a healthy lifestyle and who are managing well mental health challenges, called out and reached out to those who we see suffering, we will be able to help people sooner, more effectively, and avoid so many of the horrible things that we know happened in our profession and other professions. Even to this day, even myself, as much as I know, I have to check myself when I find myself thinking about staying quiet when I see somebody acting in a way that I know is indicative of a mental health issue. I wouldn't do that. If I saw someone clutching their chest and suffering from a heart attack, I would leap to their aid and shout for help. But when it comes to mental health, even I sometimes have to check myself and say, "Why aren't you helping? Why aren't you being proactive?" And all of us should be as proactive with mental health challenges as we are with physical health challenges that we see in our colleagues. CHRIS:                   Steve that's awesome advice, and obviously I think an appropriate recipe for, again, what practice leaders, managing partners. I still remain convinced that that real systemic change within our profession will occur in the individual law firm culture. And if it doesn't change there, it's going to take a long time to get there, but it can certainly be accelerated by the steps of individuals like you, who bring that perspective about balance, reducing stigma. Certainly, we're so grateful for what you do. Again, it's the like, I could call you a silent hero, right? Because I think that you are the tectonic plates beneath the surface that I think ultimately need to occur for us to accelerate well-being in the profession. So we are just very thankful for you joining us on the podcast, sharing your story, alluding to the great work that Morgan Lewis is doing in this space. And thanks so much for joining us. BREE:                Thank you. STEVE:                          Very grateful for the opportunity. Thank you both. CHRIS:                   All right. So we will be back in a couple of weeks, and our next guest on the podcast will be Paula Davis. She's the founder and CEO of The Stress and Resilience Institute, and perfect timing for her as she'll be coming on to preview her upcoming book release. Her book is entitled Beating Burnout At Work: Why Teams Hold the Secret to Well-Being and Resilience. So we look forward to our next episode and welcoming Paula to the pod. Thanks again Steve. Thanks Bree. And be well advocates out there and continue to march forward as we work to improve our profession. Thanks for joining us.

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The Book Day - Steve Wall joins Ronan on The Live Wire

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Play Episode Listen Later Dec 10, 2020 10:21


Legendary musician Steve Wall of The Stunning chats about the books in his life and in particular about his own book. 

RTÉ - Morning Ireland
Criticism over schemes aimed at helping artists

RTÉ - Morning Ireland

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 2, 2020 7:24


Steve Wall, Actor and singer-songwriter with The Stunning and The Walls and Angela Dorgan, Director of First Music Contact Ireland on the Music Industry Stimulus Package which has been criticised by some Irish performers in recent days.

RTÉ - Sunday with Miriam
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RTÉ - Sunday with Miriam

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 20, 2020 49:01


Hollywood A-lister Colin Farrell live from LA to launch 'Can't Stop Now' fundraising campaign for Special Olympics Irel; singer songwriter, actor Steve Wall on returning to the stage during covid; A couple's story with dementia, Helena & Kevin Quaid join us from Cork studios; the BBC's first female DJ & also longest serving, Annie Nightingale.

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Episode 99 - Lynsey Beauchamp - Actor

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Play Episode Listen Later Jun 16, 2020 66:06


Lynsey is an actor with a career in theatre, cinema and TV work. She recently appeared in the series Genius and the Movie My Foolish Heart alongside Steve Wall. We discussed Shakespeare, her love for music - especially flamenco and Prince. You can find out more about lynsey on https://twitter.com/LynseyBeauchamp (Twitter) , https://www.instagram.com/lynseybeauchamp/ (Instagram) or https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0064317/ (IMDb) ___________________________________ Lynsey Music Choice Rosalia - Malamente Led Zeppelin - The Rain Song Chet Baker - If I Should Lose You Chopin - Nocturne in G Minor Op 37 No 1 (played by Viv McLean if possible) Prince - Black Muse Talking Heads - Burning Down the House Joni Mitchell - Free Man in Paris __________________________________ All music is available on Spotify in the https://open.spotify.com/user/asplendori/playlist/52RfJG6gxwmVUazdOX8m9G?si=Wcl3A8-QSHa3J_K29yzWzQ (Social Fabric Playlist) ______________________________ Title Music Alice by https://open.spotify.com/artist/2P2hOITnqH0Zagxj2B2elc?si=2PoaesVgSq2pq5ERf3_nGA (Lucky Bones ) ______________________________ Support this podcast

Parentland
Parenting in a pandemic

Parentland

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 16, 2020 37:34


How do you keep your family healthy and happy in the coronavirus lockdown? Mercy and Linda put your questions – from giving birth in a pandemic to how to explain Covid-19 to kids - to two experts: Dr Pia Rebello Britto, UNICEF's Chief of Early Childhood Development, and Dr Steve Wall, Senior Director of Newborn Health at Save the Children. Want to join in the conversation? Join the Parentland Facebook group:https://www.facebook.com/groups/parentland

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Val Starr is Making a Scene

Making a Scene Presents

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 6, 2020 47:24


Making a Scene Presents an Interview with Val Starr Her ultra talented band is comprised of Sacramento blues professionals, John Ellis on bass, Tim Brisson on lead guitar, Frankie Munz on harmonica, and Paul Farman on drums. I Always Turn The Blues On also features several top Sacramento based side musicians including Todd Morgan of Todd Morgan & The Emblems on keys, Daniel Castro and Steve Wall on lead guitar, Guyle Taber on drums and Tim Barron on harmonica.

Social Fabric Podcast
Episode 77 - Jonathan Smith - Ernesto Coffee Shop owner

Social Fabric Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 20, 2019 54:33


Jonathan Smith is a Dubliner through and through. Born in the same building as poet Patrick Kavanagh and GAA football fan forever, Jonathan opened his coffee shop ERNESTO, in the Dublin suburb of Rathmines, with the view of creating a sustainable business that could contribute to the community around him. A destination for many Irish musicians, including Mark Geary, Glen Hansard, Damien Dempsey, Steve Wall  and Christy Moore and many of them have performed live events in the cafe' to raised funds for local charities. "If you run a business in a community, you have an obligation to that community" and that encapsulates Jonathan's way of life. You can find out more about Jonathan on his https://www.instagram.com/ernestoscoffee/?hl=en (instagram) page and of course by visiting the shop for a coffee and perhaps a hug from the man himself.  ____________________________________________________ Jonathan's Music Choice Queen - Sheer Heart Attack Luke Kelly - Raglan Road Damien Dempsey - You're the cure Kate Bush - This woman's work Puccini - O Babbino Mio Christy Moore - How Long Thin Lizzy - Sarah _______________________________   All music is available on Spotify in the https://open.spotify.com/user/asplendori/playlist/52RfJG6gxwmVUazdOX8m9G?si=Wcl3A8-QSHa3J_K29yzWzQ (Social Fabric Playlist)   _______________________________ Support this podcast

FNI Wrap Chat
#86 | Steve Wall | Actor/Musician

FNI Wrap Chat

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 9, 2019 60:37


On this weeks Episode is Actor/Musician Steve Wall. Steve recently finished filming a major role in 'Raised by Wolves', a new series with Ridley Scott at the helm, set to air sometime in 2020 on HBO Max. He has also just wrapped filming on 'The South Westerlies', an Irish comedy-drama with Dublin-based Deadpan Pictures, alongside ZDF Enterprises, TV2 Norway and in association with Screen Ireland. Prior to that, he completed filming The Witcher for Netflix playing the role of 'Boholt' and he can also be seen in the new HBO/Cinemax series 'Warrior' which began it's run in April 2019, in which he plays the bounty hunter Gresham. He has received rave reviews for his recent portrayal of the legendary jazz musician Chet Baker in 'My Foolish Heart', a film about Chet's final days in Amsterdam in 1988. It received its world premiere in September 2018 at the Dutch International Film Festival. In 'Vikings' he played the scheming Einar in seasons two, three and four. His other credits include: the role of Detective Coleman in the major RTE drama series 'Rebellion' set against the backdrop of Ireland's 1916 Easter Rising. He played the smooth baddie Dominic Fitzroy in the first two episodes of season three of the global crime drama 'Crossing Lines' starring Donald Sutherland. For the BBC he completed 'Silent Witness', aired in January 2015, in which he played a major role. Steve landed a significant, recurring role as Danny Moone in all three series of the Chris O'Dowd comedy 'Moone Boy' for Sky TV and in Sept 2015 he won Best Actor in a Leading Role at the San Diego Horror Film Festival for his role as Peter in the short film 'Ghost Train' (2013). In the summer of 2016 he played the edgy character Liam in the multi-award-winning short 'Gridlock' for which he was nominated best supporting actor in the Irish Underground Cinema festival 2017. The same year also saw the release of Dennis Bartok's hospital horror 'Nails' in which Steve starred alongside Shauna MacDonald (The Descent). He was back on set with 'Ghost Train' director Lee Cronin playing a role in the latter's acclaimed first feature 'The Hole in the Ground' which premiered at Sundance 2019. Steve is also a multi-platinum selling musician, singer and songwriter with legendary Irish bands The Walls and The Stunning. We have been working hard to develop a shoot and screen festival to raise awareness of homelessness in Ireland in partnership with The Virgin Media Dublin Film Festival, Dublin Business School, Wildcard Distribution and the Headstuff Podcast Network. Information here, THIS WEEKEND. Please share/Attend/donate. WE NEED YOUR HELP. We will also be podcasting throughout the weekend on site at DBS near Grafton Street. FNI 20/20 vision. Supporting The Peter McFerry Trust. https://www.eventbrite.com/e/84400864257 We also have our end of year party in Temple Bar on the 19th of December to round off the year.  Die Hard:Christmas Party Harder. All welcome.  https://www.eventbrite.com/e/81312555041 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

FNI Wrap Chat
#86 | Steve Wall | Actor/Musician

FNI Wrap Chat

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 9, 2019 60:22


On this weeks Episode is Actor/Musician Steve Wall. Steve recently finished filming a major role in 'Raised by Wolves', a new series with Ridley Scott at the helm, set to air sometime in 2020 on HBO Max. He has also just wrapped filming on 'The South Westerlies', an Irish comedy-drama with Dublin-based Deadpan Pictures, alongside ZDF Enterprises, TV2 Norway and in association with Screen Ireland. Prior to that, he completed filming The Witcher for Netflix playing the role of 'Boholt' and he can also be seen in the new HBO/Cinemax series 'Warrior' which began it's run in April 2019, in which he plays the bounty hunter Gresham. He has received rave reviews for his recent portrayal of the legendary jazz musician Chet Baker in 'My Foolish Heart', a film about Chet's final days in Amsterdam in 1988. It received its world premiere in September 2018 at the Dutch International Film Festival. In 'Vikings' he played the scheming Einar in seasons two, three and four. His other credits include: the role of Detective Coleman in the major RTE drama series 'Rebellion' set against the backdrop of Ireland's 1916 Easter Rising. He played the smooth baddie Dominic Fitzroy in the first two episodes of season three of the global crime drama 'Crossing Lines' starring Donald Sutherland. For the BBC he completed 'Silent Witness', aired in January 2015, in which he played a major role. Steve landed a significant, recurring role as Danny Moone in all three series of the Chris O'Dowd comedy 'Moone Boy' for Sky TV and in Sept 2015 he won Best Actor in a Leading Role at the San Diego Horror Film Festival for his role as Peter in the short film 'Ghost Train' (2013). In the summer of 2016 he played the edgy character Liam in the multi-award-winning short 'Gridlock' for which he was nominated best supporting actor in the Irish Underground Cinema festival 2017. The same year also saw the release of Dennis Bartok's hospital horror 'Nails' in which Steve starred alongside Shauna MacDonald (The Descent). He was back on set with 'Ghost Train' director Lee Cronin playing a role in the latter's acclaimed first feature 'The Hole in the Ground' which premiered at Sundance 2019. Steve is also a multi-platinum selling musician, singer and songwriter with legendary Irish bands The Walls and The Stunning. We have been working hard to develop a shoot and screen festival to raise awareness of homelessness in Ireland in partnership with The Virgin Media Dublin Film Festival, Dublin Business School, Wildcard Distribution and the Headstuff Podcast Network. Information here, THIS WEEKEND. Please share/Attend/donate. WE NEED YOUR HELP. We will also be podcasting throughout the weekend on site at DBS near Grafton Street. FNI 20/20 vision. Supporting The Peter McFerry Trust. https://www.eventbrite.com/e/84400864257 (https://www.eventbrite.com/e/84400864257?fbclid=IwAR1by5YhifwGoC2M7v5u5DZ1o5nUXCJGFL3GBErsEkZ59W4ronHC0HpHa3o) We also have our end of year party in Temple Bar on the 19th of December to round off the year.  Die Hard:Christmas Party Harder. All welcome.  https://www.eventbrite.com/e/81312555041 (https://www.eventbrite.com/e/81312555041?fbclid=IwAR2r9_pZSyF5e5I6P_uDjB0zDaEqCAaQmxUPRtsJ0ny5G8_lFQOxq_WF_CE)

Social Fabric Podcast
Special Episode - Medley of Music Guests

Social Fabric Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 15, 2019 53:24


This is a taster of a number of previous guests that have all been involved in the Irish Music scene at some point.  Colm Mac Con Iomaire, on his two solo albums and a number of scores for theatre and cinema after years with The Frames. Steve Wall of The Stunning on his moving into the world of acting Ken Binley on years of being "on the road" with world class bands. Siobhan Murray on working in the music world as a young Irish woman in London  Eamon O'Connor of the Lucky Bones, on his love for live music  Mark Lawlor on how his love for music has inspire him later in life to learn how to play guitar and compose music. Some of these guests met in the past through their passion for music, some of them will meet again in future, the Social Fabric is what ties us all together.. You can find full episodes on the archive. The title song of the podcast is Alice, by Lucky Bones (Eamon O'Connor) @stevethewall @colmmacconiomaire @kbinley @twistingthejar @luckybonesband Support this podcast

Galway Bay Fm
Galway Culture July 7th 2019

Galway Bay Fm

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 7, 2019 46:33


On Galway Culture this evening, Vinny talks to Carl Grose of Kneehigh Theatre about their upcoming Arts Festival Show "The Dog in The Suitcase (and other Songs) . He Chats to Steve Wall about his portrayal of Jazz trumpeter Chet Baker in the new Film "My Foolish Heart" which comes to the Galway Film Fleadh Wednesday 10th July at 10 pm in the THT and he talks to Dr. Tony Carroll about "Bluebells for Love" Patrick Kavanagh's Legacy and the Women who influenced his Life" which takes place in the Harbour Hotel on Friday 26th July at 7.30pm.

Der Tele-Stammtisch - Filmkritiken
Reviews - "The Hole In The Ground", "Liebesfilm" und "An Interview With God"

Der Tele-Stammtisch - Filmkritiken

Play Episode Listen Later May 2, 2019 51:21


Filmkritiken zu "The Hole In The Ground", "Liebesfilm" und "An Interview With God" Lockere Filmkritiken zum selbst mitmachen! Meldet euch via Mail (info@tele-stammtisch.de), Facebook, Twitter oder Instagram für den nächsten Podcast an! Haupt-RSS-Feed | Filmkritiken-RSS-Feed iTunes (Hauptfeed) | iTunes (Filmkritiken) Spotify (Hauptfeed) | Spotify (Filmkritiken) Website | Twitter | Facebook | Instagram Skype: dertelestammtisch@gmail.com Titel: The Hole in the Ground Startdatum: 02.05.2019 Länge: (min): 90 FSK: ab 16 Regie: Lee Cronin Darsteller: Seána Kerslake, James Quinn Markey, Simone Kirby, Steve Wall, James Cosmo, uvm. Verleih: Weltkino Filmverleih Trailer Titel: Liebesfilm Originaltitel: Love Film Startdatum: 02.05.2019 Länge (min): 82 FSK: ohne Altersbeschränkung Regie: Robert Bohrer, Emma Rosa Simon Darsteller: Eric Klotzsch, Lana Cooper, Gerdy Zint, Hartmut Becker, uvm. Verleih: Grandfilm Trailer Titel: An Interview with God - Was würdest du Ihn fragen? Originaltitel: An Interview with God Startdatum: 29.04.2019 (Heimkino) Länge (min): 97 FSK: ohne Altersbeschränkung Regie: Perry Lang Darsteller: Brenton Thwaites, David Strathairn, Yael Grobglas, Hill Harper, uvm. Verleih: KSM Trailer Gäste: Stu Facebook | Instagram Moviebreak Website | Facebook | Twitter | Instagram Marcel Facebook | Twitter Geek-Pool Website | Facebook | Twitter | Instagram | Twitch Patrick Facebook appletechnikblog Website | Facebook | Twitter | Instagram Pia (Irgendwie nerdig) Website | Facebook | Twitter | Instagram | Pinterest i used the following sounds of freesound.org: Musical Snapshots by Columbia Orchestra Short Crowd Cheer 2.flac by qubodup License (Copyright): Attribution 4.0 International (CC BY 4.0) Folge direkt herunterladen

Social Fabric Podcast
Episode 18 - Steve Wall - Musician/Actor

Social Fabric Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 24, 2018 85:04


Steve Wall is best known as the front man of The Stunning and The Walls, but his artistic career has brought him from sold-out music venues to theaters and more recently to the television and cinema. Steve’s latest project sees him playing Chet Baker in the movie “My foolish heart” Steve is a true gentleman with a social conscience that sees him actively participating in social issues impact us all in the community. He has openly spoken about the need for reforms to tackle the current housing crisis in Ireland as well as the need for better deals for the artists buy the music industry… The Stunning’s latest album, Twice Around the World, was number one in the independent charts this year and Brewing up a Storm is a classic among Irish songs of the last 30 years. For more information about Steve @stevethewall on Twitter For more about The Stunning go to https://thestunning.net/ _______________________________________________________________________ Steve’s Music Choice Howling Wolf – Smokestack Lightning The Damned – New Rose Led Zeppelin – Heartbreaker Planxty – You Rambling Boys of Pleasure Nick Mulvey – Fever to the Form Joy Division – Atmosphere The Doors – Break on Through Support this podcast

Pantisocracy
Pantisocracy - S2E6 'Begin Again' (New Year's Day 2018)

Pantisocracy

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 12, 2018 57:56


In a special New Year’s Day edition of Pantisocracy, the ‘cabaret of conversations’ hosted by Panti Bliss looks towards a new year with guests; singers Luka Bloom, Aoife Scott and Steve Wall, paralympian athlete Niamh McCarthy and Syrian human rights advocate Razan Ibraheem. In this episode, Luka Bloom performs ‘Wayfaring Stranger’ and Aoife Scott performs the Bruce Coburn classic ‘Wondering where the lions are’. Steve Wall, actor and frontman of The Stunning, sings his song “Mama’s Going Back to Bed” and shares stories of his new movie about jazz trumpeter Chet Baker while Razan Ibraheem talks of her experience helping Syrian war refugees find a home in Ireland. www.pantisocracy.ie for more

The Final Boys
Episode 12: Nails

The Final Boys

Play Episode Listen Later May 1, 2018 75:21


There are some great modern horror movies on Netflix (bung bunnng) and then there is Nails. The boys talk about the 2017 horror flick directed by Dennis Bartok staring Shauna Macdonald, Steve Wall and Ross Noble. Thank you so much EuroEclipse for recommending this movie, check him out on Twitch at https://www.twitch.tv/euroeclipse .......................................................... Stay up to date and follow us on twitter and Instagram @thefinalboys Send us your spooky listener stories at www.thefinalboys.com Intro music done by @twin_crab

Pantisocracy by Athena Media
Pantisocracy - Season 2 Episode 6 - The Panti Monologue 'Begin Again'

Pantisocracy by Athena Media

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 13, 2018 3:36


'Begin Again' In a special New Year’s Day edition of Pantisocracy, the ‘cabaret of conversations’ hosted by Panti Bliss looks towards a new year with guests; singers Luka Bloom, Aoife Scott and Steve Wall, paralympian athlete Niamh McCarthy and Syrian human rights advocate Razan Ibraheem. http://pantisocracy.ie/season-2-episode-6 for more

2nd World Sepsis Congress (2nd WSC)
22: WSC Spotlight: Neonatal Sepsis

2nd World Sepsis Congress (2nd WSC)

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 19, 2017 90:21


​Session on Neonatal Sepsis from the WSC Spotlight: Maternal and Neonatal Sepsis. Featuring Zulfiqar Bhutta, Niranjan ‘Tex‘ Kissoon, Steve Wall, Samira Aboubaker, Pierre Tissières, Annemarie van Rossum, Shamim Qazi as chair, and Marvin Zick as your host.

Whitetail Rendezvous Volume 1
Episode # 132 with Steve Wall of Wisconsin Outdoor Pursuits

Whitetail Rendezvous Volume 1

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 12, 2015 30:01


Steve Wall of Wisconsin Outdoor Pursuits Welcome to another edition of White Tail Rendezvous. This is your host, Bruce Hutcheon. We’re heading over to Wisconsin today, where we’re going to connect with Steve Wall. Steve’s out of Green Bay, and he’s the founder and blogger on Wisconsin Outdoor Pursuits. Steve, welcome to the show. Steve:…

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Whitetail Rendezvous Volume 1
Episode # 132 with Steve Wall of Wisconsin Outdoor Pursuits

Whitetail Rendezvous Volume 1

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 12, 2015 30:01


Steve Wall of Wisconsin Outdoor Pursuits Welcome to another edition of White Tail Rendezvous. This is your host, Bruce Hutcheon. We’re heading over to Wisconsin today, where we’re going to connect with Steve Wall. Steve’s out of Green Bay, and he’s the founder and blogger on Wisconsin Outdoor Pursuits. Steve, welcome to the show. Steve:…

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PODAROONEY
Episode 5 – Steve Wall

PODAROONEY

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 1, 2015 69:46


I met Steve Wall and his brother Joe many years ago when they were hanging around Dublin and talking about starting a band. Since then he has had tremendous success with The Stunning and The Walls. Over the years we have occasionally crossed paths but never had a chance to sit down and have a […] La entrada Episode 5 – Steve Wall se publicó primero en Headstuff.

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Women's and Children's Health Knowledge Hub's Podcast
Steve Wall, Saving Newborn Lives

Women's and Children's Health Knowledge Hub's Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 21, 2013 30:10


Newborn survival and perinatal health in resource-constrained settings in Asia and the Pacific: Applying Global Evidence to Priorities Beyond 2015 Melbourne, Australia 12 April 2013

Planetary Radio: Space Exploration, Astronomy and Science
Peering Down at Huygens: Cassini Revisits Mysterious Titan

Planetary Radio: Space Exploration, Astronomy and Science

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 7, 2005 28:50


Steve Wall, deputy leader of the Cassini RADAR team, on new images of Huygens' landing site and a shoreline. Asteroids on Q&A, new What's Up Contest.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices