Never the Twins Shall Meet

This week, we return from our lengthy and unplanned hiatus with the world's! nichest! episode! That's right, we're talking about Among Others by Jo Walton, Ballad by Maggie Stiefvater, and Tam Lin by Pamela Dean, three fantasy novels set on school campuses that blend faerie folklore and coming-of-age stories.  Topics of discussion include how each book puts their own spin on the supernatural and the folkloric, tragically canceled book series, reproductive rights, and where on a college campus you're most likely to run into a faerie. (And yes, this episode was meant to be released several months ago, as our discussion at the beginning indicates. Oops.) Other media mentioned Greta and Valdin by Rebecca K Reilly La Chimera dir. Alica Rohrwacher Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy by John le Carre Challengers dir. Luca Guadagnino Dead Boy Detectives (Netflix show) You Let Me In by Camilla Bruce (creepy faerie book Lulu couldn't remember the name of) The Wicker King by K. Ancrum Aye and Gomorrah by Samuel R. Delany Catwings by Ursula K. Le Guin The Raven Cycle by Maggie Stiefvater Shiver by Maggie Stiefvater The Scorpio Races by Maggie Stiefvater Chime by franny billingsley The Hounds of Ulster by Maggie Stiefvater Apotheosis (concept, not katabasis) A Song of Ice and Fire by George R.R. Martin StarCrossed by elizabeth bunce The Oracles of Delphi Keep by Victoria Laurie How to Train Your Dragon  Lord of the Rings (film & books) Fire and Hemlock by Diana Wynne Jones A Court of Thorns and Roses by Sarah J. Maas An Enchantment of Ravens by Margaret Rogerson Content warnings: discussions of sibling death, parental abuse, a car crash, pregnancy and abortion, suicide, and dubious sexual consent

This week is all about the spooky ancestral homes as we talk about And Don't Look Back by Rebecca Barrow and All the Dead Lie Down by Kyrie McCauley, two young adult novels about family homes and the dark secrets they hide. Topics include what constitutes a haunted house (does there have to be a literal ghost?), twisty mysteries, and the inherent queerness of the gothic genre. (Also, as you may have guessed, we did NOT release this episode before traveling internationally despite our optimism about doing so in this recording.) Media Mentioned: Shogun (2024) Dungeon Meshi The Jasmine Throne by Tasha Suri Our Hideous Progeny by C.E. McGill Burning Girls and Other Stories by Veronica Schanoes Tramps (2016) dir. Adam Leon Bad Things Happen Here by Rebecca Barrow Episode 26: Bad Things at the Beach The Girls I've Been by Tess Sharpe The Turn of the Screw by Henry James Jane Eyre by Charlotte Brontë Frankenstein by Mary Shelley Episode 18: Reduce Reuse Reanimate Content Warnings: Discussions of parental death, animal death, domestic abuse, murder, drowning As always, you can learn more at our website, neverthetwinsshallmeet.com

This week, we're taking a trip to 1950s Italy as we discuss Patricia Highsmith's classic thriller The Talented Mr. Ripley and its acclaimed 1999 adaptation directed by Anthony Minghella. Topics of discussion include the novel's iconic con artist protagonist, the twisty plot, homoerotic subtext, and how Minghella put his own spin on the themes and characters.  Media Mentioned Scrapper (2023) dir. Charlotte Regan (note: Lulu was wrong, the lead actress's name is actually Lola Campbell, not Lola Chambers) Aftersun (2022) dir. Charlotte Wells The Once and Future Witches by Alix E. Harrow Dune by Frank Herbert The Artful Dodger (2023), starring Thomas Brodie-Sangster, David Thewliss, and Maia Mitchell Oliver Twist by Charles Dickens Saltburn (2023) dir. Emerald Fennell Do Revenge (2022) These Violent Delights by Micah Nemerever The Haunting of Hill House by Shirley Jackson “Patricia Highsmith” by Richard Brooks for the Guardian The Bourne Identity movies Nimona by N.D. Stevenson Sorry to Bother You (2018) dir. Boots Riley The Celluloid Closet (1995) dir. Rob Epstein and Jeffrey Friedman Hannibal (2013-2015) King Arthur: Legend of the Sword dir. Guy Ritchie Ripley (upcoming Netflix show) BBC Sherlock And Don't Look Back by Rebecca Barrow All the Dead Lie Down by Kyrie McCauley Content Warnings: discussions of antisemitism, racism, murder, violence, homophobia, gaslighting, suicide, and classism.

We're back this week to talk about the latest Hunger Games movie, The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes. Topics include our relationship with the famous dystopian franchise, how the movie compares to the book, why we find prequels and villain protagonists compelling, and a detour through Enlightenment philosophy. Other Media Mentioned: Hannibal (2013-2015) The Silence of the Lambs (1991) Gods of the Wyrdwood by R.J. Barker Anatomy of a Fall dir. Justine Triet A Murder at the End of the World (2023) True Detective: Night Country We Could Be So Good by Cat Sebastian Gregor the Overlander by Suzanne Collins Coriolanus by William Shakespeare West Side Story (2021) dir. Steven Spielberg Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes Second Treatise of Government by John Locke The Social Contract by Jean-Jacques Rousseau Frankenstein by Mary Shelley “Silver Springs” by Fleetwood Mac Wicked (2024) dir. John M. Chu Saltburn (2023) dir. Emerald Fennell  Content warnings: Discussions of death, violence, hanging, cannibalism and fascism

Happy belated New Year! We return fashionably late with a behemoth of an episode to discuss each of our top 10 books of 2023, a few extra superlatives (scariest book, anyone?), and some reading goals for 2024. Tune in for fantasy fiction, gothic literature, romance novels, unexpected favorites, and only a little bit of human sacrifice.    (Also, Lulu would like to mention that she forgot to mention Emily Carroll's works when discussing graphic novels, but they're all very creepy and amazing. Additionally, we ran out of time for her to discuss poetry, but Native Guard by Natasha Trethewey, The Renunciations by Donika Kelly, and Water & Salt by Lena Khalaf Tuffaha were her favorite books of poetry read last year.)   Content warnings: discussions of slavery (27:47-31:05), domestic abuse (31:06-33:08), and depression/suicidal ideation (58:18-1:03:18)

Our podcast is back, and we're in our hater era! In this episode, we tackle the infamously divisive 2023 film Saltburn, a psychological thriller directed by Emerald Fennell and starring Barry Keoghan as Oliver Quick, an Oxford scholarship student invited to his wealthy friend's summer estate, Saltburn, for a summer that takes a dark turn. (Spoiler alert: we didn't like it.) Topics discussed include the film's muddled class commentary, our hatred of the film's ending, and it's intent to shock and upset the viewer.  Other Media Mentioned: Blue Eye Samurai (2023-) Starling House by Alix E. Harrow A Narrow Door by Joanne Harris The Holdovers (dir. Alexander Payne) Fingersmith by Sarah Waters Bellies by Nicola Dinan Promising Young Woman (dir. Emerald Fennell) The Eternals (dir. Chloe Zhao) The Banshees of Inisherin (dir. Martin McDonagh) Knives Out (dir. Rian Johnson) Parasite (dir. Bong Joon-ho) Can posh people write good slass satire? By Patrick Sproull for Dazed Romeo + Juliet (dir. Baz Luhrmann) Biting the Hand by Julia Lee Wuthering Heights by Emily Brontë Tripping Arcadia by Kit Mayquist These Violent Delights by Micah Nemerever Gentlemen and Players by Joanne Harris Temper by Layne Fargo They Never Learn by Layne Fargo Interview With the Vampire (2022–) Content Warnings: Discussions of drug overdose, suicide, murder, classism, racism, manipulation, and sexual assault   Also, not actually related to the content of this episode, but if you are an American listener, we would like to invite you to call your representatives and demand a ceasefire in Israel and Palestine. 5calls.org makes it easy to do.  

We're back for our first episode of the summer! In this one, we take a trip to post-Rome Britain to explore our fascination with a time period that is more myth than history. Going full history nerd, we take a look at three books set in Britain after the withdrawal of Roman imperial powers: Dark Earth by Rebecca Stott, Here Lies Arthur by Philip Reeve, and Sistersong by Lucy Holland. We discuss the possible origin of the King Arthur myth, queer medieval narratives, and the cultural diversity of Britain at this time–as well as wizards, warlords, and murder ballads.    Other Media Mentioned: Tess of the Road by Rachel Hartman The Adventures of Amina al-Sirafi by Shannon Chakraborty Dungeons and Dragons: Honor Among Thieves Little Blue Encyclopedia for Vivian by Hazel Jane Plante The Thousand Eyes by A.K. Larkwood Bernard Cornwell's books Spear by Nicola Griffith Perceval by Chretien de Troyes The Two Sisters by Steeleye Span On the Ruin and Conquest of Britain by Gildas History of the Kings of Britain by Geoffrey of Monmouth   Content Warnings: Discussions of war, death, and body horror   Also 1) apologies for the distant car horn in a few moments and 2) our discussion of Here Lies Arthur involves talking about some characters who present as different genders over the course of the story and so has some varying pronoun usage.

This week, we've got a guest on our podcast as author M.K. Lobb drops by to answer our questions about her young adult fantasy novel Seven Faceless Saints. Tune in to hear us discuss the real historical inspiration behind her fantasy world, the joys of writing angsty romance, and the importance of angry female characters.    Media mentioned These Violent Delights by Chloe Gong Keep This To Yourself by Tom Ryan I Hope You're Listening by Tom Ryan Karen McManus (YA mystery author) The Queen's Thief by Megan Whalen Turner Vespertine by Margaret Rogerson Six of Crows by Leigh Bardugo   Content warnings: discussions of war, PTSD, and murder

In this episode, we take a deep dive into the character of John Constantine, DC's infamous dirtbag warlock. Beginning with his iconic Hellblazer comic and going on to discuss his many movie and TV appearances, we tackle some of his most iconic storylines, how various adaptations do or don't work, and why we find one British magician's poor life choices so compelling.    Media mentioned: Lockwood & Co. (Netflix show) The Last of Us (HBO show) The Legend of Vox Machina (TV show) Seasparrow by Kristin Cashore Thistlefoot by GennaRose Nethercott The Newsreader (TV show) Andor (TV show) The Haunting of Hill House by Shirley Jackson Kindred by Octavia Butler Sandman by Neil Gaiman DC Pride Anthology (2021) Constantine: The Hellblazer by James Tynion IV and Ming Doyle Hellblazer: Original Sins by Jamie Delano DC Bombshells by Marguerite Bennett Swamp Thing by Alan Moore Constantine: All His Engines by Mike Carey The Girl with all the Gifts by M.R. Carey Constantine: City of Demons The Sandman episode 3: “Dream a Little Dream of Me” Legends of Tomorrow   Content warnings: lung cancer, suicide, child abuse, homophobia, biphobia, racism

This week's episode is a blast to the past as we delve into a new genre for this podcast: historical romance novels. Focusing on five novels–A Caribbean Heiress in Paris by Adriana Herrera, The Siren of Sussex by Mimi Matthews, The Queer Principles of Kit Webb by Cat Sebastian, The Duke Who Didn't by Courtney Milan, and The Lady's Guide to Celestial Mechanics by Olivia Waite–we delve into how they fit into the overall genre while crafting individual love stories that stand out on their own. We discuss some of our favorite romance tropes and how these books subvert them or play them straight, as well as examining the historical contexts a bit. Plus: seances, heists, and Worcestershire sauce.   Other media mentioned AMC's Interview With the Vampire A Restless Truth by Freya Marske Honey and Spice by Bolu Babalola Black Panther: Wakanda Forever Winter Be My Shield by Jo Spurrier The Kingdoms by Natasha Pulley Spinning Silver by Naomi Novik The Brown Sisters trilogy by Talia Hibbert Bridgerton (TV show) Belle (2013 movie) “Why Are So Many Novels Set in the Regency Period?” by Jess Romeo for JSTOR Daily Jane Austen Georgette Heyer Sorcerer to the Crown by Zen Cho The Perfect Crimes of Marian Hayes Cat Sebastian   Content warnings: discussions of historical racism, sexism, colonialism, homophobia, and slavery, as well as two novels that deal with parental death

This episode, we're taking a turn into the classics by reviewing two retellings of Emily Brontë's gothic novel Wuthering Heights: Black Spring by Alison Croggon and What Souls Are Made Of by Tasha Suri. We indulge our inner English majors by getting very excited about cycles of tragedy, ghosts, and doomed romance while also discussing how the novels put their own spin on a classic work of literature.    Other media mentioned The Rings of Power The Silmarillion by J.R.R. Tolkien House of the Dragon A Song of Ice and Fire by George R.R. Martin Sistersong by Lucy Holland Only a Monster by Vanessa Len A League of Their Own (TV show) House of Hunger by Alexis Henderson Spear by Nicola Griffith AMC's Interview With the Vampire (TV show) Jane Eyre by Charlotte Brontë Self-Made Boys by Anna-Marie McLemore The Books of Ambha by Tasha Suri The Jasmine Throne by Tasha Suri Wide Sargasso Sea by Jean Rhys Wuthering Heights by Kate Bush   Content warnings: discussions of abuse, racism, murder, colonialism, famine, death

Segueing into Spooky Season, this week we're bringing a seasonally-appropriate episode on witchy books! Focusing on The Scapegracers by H.A. Clarke and Payback's a Witch by Lana Harper, we discuss the different takes on witches in both novels, their representation of magic-wielding lesbian and bisexual women, and how supernatural elements are used to underscore and develop the character relationships. (And also how a drag show act served as the seed of inspiration for this episode.)   Content warnings: car crash, parental death, homophobia   Other media mentioned The Sandman (comic) Everything Everywhere All at Once The Duke Who Didn't by Courtney Milan The Sandman (Netflix show) Silver Under Nightfall by Rin Chupeco Hellblazer by Jamie Delano The Scratch Daughter by H.A. Clarke (upcoming) The Lost Coast by A.R. Capetta Witch Week by Diana Wynne Jones As always, you can learn more about our podcast at our website, neverthetwinsshallmeet.com

The start of fall may be nearing, but we're here to prolong summer with an episode on the movie Fire Island! A modern gay adaptation of Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice, it follows a group of friends on their annual summer vacation. Topics include how the movie updates the novel's social commentary and class dynamics, what makes the iconic Elizabeth/Darcy relationship work, and how the film deviates from the source text in fun and interesting ways. Also, a lot of positive yelling about the romance.   Other Media Mentioned: The Sandman by Neil Gaiman The Immortal Hulk by Al Ewing Never Ever Getting Back Together by Sophie Gonzales The Unbroken by C.L. Clark Wildhood (2021) dir. Bretten Hannam Lockwood and Co by Jonathan Stroud Seeing Ghosts by Kat Chow Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen (many times!) Pride and Prejudice (2005) dir. Joe Wright Pride and Prejudice and Zombies (2016) dir. Burr Steers Heartstone by Elle Katharine White The Lizzie Bennet Diaries Pride by Ibi Zoboi The Murder of Mr. Wickham by Claudia Gray Jack of Hearts and Other Parts by Lev A.C. Rosen   Content Warnings: discussions of classism, anti-Asian racism, and revenge porn.

It's summer, and that means sunny weather, visits to the beach…and murder? This week's episode is on two seaside mysteries, Bad Things Happen Here by Rebecca Barrow and I Killed Zoe Spanos by Kit Frick. Topics include mental health representation, balancing nuanced characters with twisty plots, and how the setting enhances both books. (Note: we do not spoil the big plot twists in either of these books.)   Media mentioned The Scapegracers by H.A. Clarke Queer As All Get Out: 10 People Who've Inspired Me by Shelby Criswell The Heartbreak Baker by A.R. Capetta The Widow of Rose House by Diana Biller Rooks and Ruin trilogy by Melissa Caruso Something That May Shock and Discredit You by Daniel Lavery Legion (TV show) You Don't Know Me But I Know You by Rebecca Barrow This Is What It Feels Like by Rebecca Barrow I Kissed Shara Wheeler by Casey McQuistion Knives Out (2019)    Content warnings Murder, drowning, racism, mental health struggles including suicidal ideation and intrusive thoughts   You can learn more about Never the Twins Shall Meet at our website, neverthetwinsshallmeet.com

We're back! This week, we're discussing A Marvellous Light by Freya Marske and and Sorcerer to the Crown by Zen Cho, two novels that reimagine English history with a magical twist. Topics include wizard bureaucracy, ambitious women, and the way that both novels intertwine fantasy and history.   Other media mentioned: A River Enchanted by Rebecca Ross Everything Everywhere All at Once (2022) Summer Sons by Lee Mandelo Nimona by N.D. Stephenson Heartstopper (TV show) From Dust, a Flame by Rebecca Podos The Thirty Names of Night by Zeyn Joukhadar Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell by Susanna Clarke K.J. Charles's books Jupiter Ascending The Fantasy Inn podcast Howl's Moving Castle by Diana Wynne Jones Black Sails (TV show) The Brown Sisters Trilogy by Talia Hibbert The Drowned Country by Emily Tesh Knives Out Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen The True Queen by Zen Cho The Chosen and the Beautiful by Nghi Vo Legally Blonde The Moonstone by Wilkie Collins Episode 21: Murder, Magic, and Making Different Histories   Content warnings: Discussions of historical homophobia, racism, sexism, slavery, and colonialism.   You can learn more about Never The Twins Shall Meet at our website, neverthetwinsshallmeet.com

This week, we're discussing the recent Netflix show Arcane! An animated blend of science fiction, fantasy, and crime drama, it's also an adaptation of the video game League of Legends–something we know pretty much nothing about. However, we both still adored it. Topics include the show's careful construction of inevitable tragedies, the complex cast of characters, the gorgeous animation, and one aspect where we think it stumbles.   Other Media Mentioned: Bad Things Happen Here by Rebecca Barrow (forthcoming June 2022) The Duchess War by Courtney Milan Druids: A Very Short Introduction by Barry Cunliffe Only Murders in the Building Yuri on Ice To Say Nothing of the Dog by Connie Willis The Bone Key by Sarah Monette Turning Red (2022) The Batman (2022) Episode 15: Into the Batman-verse League of Legends Castlevania Critical Role Black Sails Wonder Woman (2017) James Bond Phantom of the Opera How Disfigured Villains Like “Wonder Woman's” Dr. Poison Perpetuate Stigma by Alaina Leary for Teen Vogue   Content Warnings: discussions of murder, violence, emotionally abusive relationships, terminal illness, classism, and ableism.

This week, we take a trip back to 1987 to discuss the horror-comedy movie The Lost Boys. Following a pair of brothers who move to a sunny California town plagued by vampires, the film includes a tangled love triangle, some inventive methods of murder, and a lot of 80s fashion. Topics of discussion include possible gay subtext, the deep-seated appeal of vampires, and why cinema needs more films about vampiric motorcycle gangs.   Other Media Mentioned: The Legend of Vox Machina Dungeons and Dragons The Heartbreak Bakery by A.R. Capetta The Witness for the Dead by Katherine Addison The Goblin Emperor by Katherine Addison Silver in the Wood by Emily Tesh Arcane (2021-) Wylding Hall by Elizabeth Hand Little Thieves by Margaret Owen What We Do in the Shadows Dracula by Bram Stoker Episode 11: An Anthropological Study of Cohabitating Vampires Peter Pan by J.M. Barrie Worn Stories on Netflix Small Changes Over Long Periods of Time by K.M Szpara Dead Collections by Isaac Fellan A Dowry of Blood by S.T. Gibson Stranger Things (2016-) The Lost Girls by Sonia Hartl The Coldest Girl in Coldtown by Holly Black Bit (2019)   Content Warnings: mentions of drug use, murder, a controlling/abusive relationship, all the blood-drinking stuff that comes with vampires.

Step one: rob the rich. Step two: break a curse. Step three: interrogate your deep-seated childhood trauma. Who could this to-do list belong to? Why, none other than the protagonist of Little Thieves by Margaret Owen! This week, we dive into a delightful young adult fantasy retelling of the fairytale The Goose Girl following a teenage thief whose final heist goes terribly wrong. Topics include the hilarious and cynical protagonist, our love of a good heist story, the excellent romance, and the unexpected emotional depth through an exploration of childhood trauma.   Other Media Mentioned: BBC Starstruck Sh*t Cassandra Saw by Gwen E. Kirby Crying in H Mart by Michelle Zauner The Rose Code by Kate Quinn Some By Virtue Fall by Alexandra Rowland The Liar's Knot by M.A. Carrick The Goose Girl by Shannon Hale The Merciful Crow by Margaret Owen Our Violent Ends by Chloe Gong Dungeons and Dragons I Know What You Think of Me by Tim Kreider in the New York Times Saga by Brian K. Vaughan and Fiona Staples Painted Devils by Margaret Owen (forthcoming) Vespertine by Margaret Rogerson The Mask of Mirrors by M.A. Carrick Content warnings: mentions of child abandonment and child abuse. You can learn more about Never the Twins Shall Meet at our website, neverthetwinsshallmeet.com

Happy Black History Month! This week, we're discussing two historical fantasy novels by Black authors: A Master of Djinn by P. Djèlí Clark and The Conductors by Nicole Glover. Join us as we take a trip to nineteenth-century Philadelphia and twentieth-century Cairo and discuss compelling murder mystery plots, well-developed alternate histories featuring magic, and some unexpectedly lovely romances.   Other Media Mentioned: Our Violent Ends by Chloe Gong Episode 11: Two Gangs, Both Alike in Dignity The Seven Husbands of Taylor Jenkins Reid The Legend of Vox Machina Critical Role Not My Problem by Ciara Smith Sort Of (HBO Max) Call Us What We Carry by Amanda Gorman A Dead Djinn in Cairo by P. Djèlí Clark The Haunting of Tram Car 015 by P. Djèlí Clark The Black God's Drums by P. Djèlí Clark Ring Shout by P. Djèlí Clark Episode 17: Sourdough, Cinnamon Rolls, and Sorcery The Vocabulary of Freedom on the Underground Railroad Education Center website   Content warnings: discussions of murder, colonialism, anti-Black racism, and slavery You can learn more about Never the Twins Shall Meet at our website neverthetwinsshallmeet.com

What's more terrifying than a supervillain? A superhero, of course! In our twentieth (!) episode, we're taking a look at the dark side of superheroes through the novels Hench by Natalie Zina Walschots and The Refrigerator Monologues by Catherynne M. Valente. Topics include descents into villainy, misogyny in comic books, and whether the Joker pays his minions a fair wage.   Other Media Mentioned: Sword Stone Table edited by Swapna Krishna and Jenn Northington She Who Became the Sun by Shelley Parker-Chan Little Thieves by Margaret Owen Arcane (2021) on Netflix Die by Kieron Gillen and Stephanie Hans A Master of Djinn by P. Djèlí Clark The Conductors by Nicole Glover What We Do in the Shadows (TV show) The Boys (TV show) Watchmen by Alan Moore Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice dir. Zack Snyder The Amazing Spider-Man 2 dir. Marc Webb Episode 10, X-Men X-travaganza The Dark Phoenix Saga by Chris Claremont Batman: The Animated Series Birds of Prey (2020) dir. Cathy Yan Harley Quinn animated series Harleen by Stjepan Šejić Netflix's Daredevil TV show   Content warnings: mentions of violence, murder, medical horror and body horror, an abusive relationship, suicide, death of a child, and drug use.

This week, we're diving into the King Arthur mythos! We discuss the book Legendborn by Tracy Deonn, an urban fantasy book that stars Bree Mathews, a Black teenage girl who discovers a secret society of demon-hunters descended from the Knights of the Round Table. Topics include our love of the fierce and complicated main character, Tracy Deonn's scathing interrogation of racism in America, and how the book succeeds in making old myths feel new and unique. Other media mentioned: For the Wolf by Hannah Whitten The Wheel of Time (2021) The Witcher (2019) Being Seen by Elsa Sjunneson The Death of Jane Lawrence by Caitlin Starling A Marvellous Light by Freya Marske A Master of Djinn by P. Djèlí Clark How Moon Fuentez Fell in Love With the Universe by Raquel Vazquez Gilliland  Archivist Wasp by Nicole Kornher-Stace The Lost Boys (1987) Hench by Natalie Zina Walschots The Mortal Instruments by Cassandra Clare Sabriel by Garth Nix Bloodmarked by Tracy Deonn (forthcoming, release date has since been moved to November 2022) Content warnings: discussions of the death of a parent, antiblack racism, slavery, rape, and generational trauma.

It's time to dive into all things undead! In this episode, we're discussing two fantasy books about necromancers: Sabriel by Garth Nix and The Bone Witch by Rin Chupeco. Is raising the dead an inherently evil kind of magic? What does it mean to have power over life and death? Plus: cat demons, descents into villainy, and the importance of a good, old-fashioned fantasy novel roadtrip. Other media mentioned: Half a Soul by Olivia Atwater A Spindle Splintered by Alix E. Harrow A Psalm for the Wild-Built by Becky Chambers Legendborn by Tracy Deonn Lirael by Garth Nix As You Like It by William Shakespeare Terciel and Elinor by Garth Nix Tamora Pierce's books Shadow and Bone by Leigh Bardugo Content warnings: discussions of death and Islamophobic stereotypes in fiction.

What do vampires, wizards, and baked goods have in common? They're all featured in this week's episode, of course! Today we're discussing A Wizard's Guide to Defensive Baking by T. Kingfisher and Sunshine by Robin McKinley, two fantasy novels starring heroines who call the kitchen home. Some topics covered include the integration of magic and baking in both books, the surprising ways they resonate with our current world, and the practical uses of magical baked goods in warfare.  Other media mentioned The Addams Family (1991) A Dead Djinn in Cairo by P. Djèlí Clark The Devil Makes Three by Tori Bovalino Our Last Echoes by Kate Alice Marshall A Psalm for the Wild-Built by Becky Chambers Hellblazer comics X-Men comics The Coldest Girl in Coldtown by Holly Black Beauty by Robin McKinley The Circle of Magic series by Tamora Pierce Content warnings: Discussions of murder, kidnapping, and the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic You can learn more about Never the Twins Shall Meet at our website, neverthetwinsshallmeet.com

This week, Pie and Lulu leave the realm of fantasy and science fiction for new territory. Turning our attention to two young adult coming-of-age stories, we discuss Perfect on Paper by Sophie Gonzales and Jack of Hearts (and Other Parts) by L.C. Rosen, two contemporary novels where the protagonist runs an advice column–yet is a bit of a disaster in their personal life. Topics include the exploration of LGBTQ+ identities in both novels, the difficulty of writing authentic teenagers, and the appeal of stories where the protagonist can seemingly fix any problems except their own. Other media mentioned: How to be Ace: a Memoir of Growing Up Asexual by Rebecca Burgess Deep Secret by Diana Wynne Jones The Vast of Night (2019) Moon Knight by Jeff Lemire and Greg Smallwood Shadow of the Batgirl by Sarah Kuhn Hench by Natalie Zina Walschots Comic Book Couples Counseling podcast High School Musical Loveless by Alice Oseman The Importance of Being Earnest by Oscar Wilde Content warnings: discussions of homophobia, biphobia, stalking, blackmail, underage drinking, and drug use.

This week, Pie and Lulu cross into an entirely new territory: the Batman mythos! We discuss the iconic DC Comics storyline Under the Red Hood and its animated movie adaptation, both about Jason Todd, a former Robin turned antagonist. Topics include our (lack of) prior knowledge about Batman comics, a haphazard rundown of the history of the Robin sidekicks, moral codes in superhero comics, and being unexpectedly sad about Batman and his adopted children. Other Media Mentioned: Prospect (2018) The Mandalorian A Wizard's Guide to Defensive Baking by T. Kingfisher Gotham Academy by Brendan Fletcher and Becky Cloonan Wild and Crooked by Leah Thomas Silk and Steel: A Queer Speculative Adventure Anthology edited by Janine A Southard Classic New Mutants by Chris Claremont New Teen Titans by Marv Wolfman and George Perez Midnighter by Steve Orlando Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) Joker (2019) The Dark Knight Rises (2012) Wayne Family Adventures The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller A Death in the Family by Jim Starlin Batman: Hush by Jeff Loeb Birds of Prey (2020) CW's Arrow Geek History Lesson podcast Boaty McBoatface Red Hood: The Lost Days by Judd Winick Supernatural Titans (2018) Batman by Grant Morrison Red Hood and the Outlaws by Scott Lobdell Content warnings: mentions of murder and violence, death of a child, gun violence, drugs, and Nazis.

This week, Pie and Lulu discuss the 2021 Marvel and DC Pride anthologies, which feature a variety of short comics about LGBT+ superheroes. Topics include the appearances of some of our favorite queer superheroes (hint: there's a lot of X-Men), new and interesting characters we discovered thanks to these anthologies, and the state of LGBT+ representation in superhero comics in general. Other Media Mentioned: Odd Spirits by S.T. Gibson 08 - An Anthropological Study of Cohabitating Vampires Night of the Mannequins by Stephen Graham Jones I, Claudia by Mary McCoy Sabriel by Garth Nix Suicide Squad: Bad Blood by Tom Taylor The Vast of Night (2019) Angela: Asgard's Assassin by Kieron Gillen and Marguerite Bennett Midnighter by Steve Orlando Empyre by Al Ewing and Dan Slott Runaways (2003) by Brian K. Vaughn and Runaways (2017) by Rainbow Rowell Immortal Hulk by Al Ewing Academy X by Christina Weir and Nunzio DeFilippis X-Factor (2020-2021) by Leah Williams Young Avengers (2005) by Allan Heinberg and Young Avengers (2013) by Kieron Gillen New Mutants (1983) by Chris Claremont Dawn of X comics 10 - X-Men X-Travaganza New Mutants (2019) by Vita Ayala Batwoman by Marguerite Bennett DC Bombshells by Marguerite Bennett DC Future State comics CW Supergirl CW Legends of Tomorrow Doom Patrol (TV show) Bitches on Comics episode 100 - Centering on queer Brown people featuring Vita Ayala Beyond the Metaphor: Marvel's Long Forgotten Trans Mutant by Dani Kinney for Women Write About Comics X-Factor's Final Issue Was an Ugly Low Point for Marvel's Queer Representation by Charles Pulliam-Moore for Gizmodo Content Warnings: Discussions of homophobia, biphobia, murder, a past abusive relationship, racism in comics, and sexual harassment by a comic book writer. You can learn more about Never the Twins Shall Meet at our website, neverthetwinsshallmeet.com

This week, we're discussing the Murderbot Diaries by Martha Wells. Focusing on the first of four science fiction novellas about a grumpy artificial intelligence and the humans it reluctantly comes to care about, we discuss the novellas' portrayal of free will, dehumanization under capitalism, and the importance of escapist media, all while marveling at how relatable a robot with a body count in the double digits can be.    Other media mentioned: Jade City by Fonda Lee Star Eater by Kerstin Hall DC Bombshells by Marguerite Bennett Midnighter and Apollo by Steve Orlando Classic X-Men comics by Chris Claremont Becoming a Man: the Story of a Transition by P Carl The Raksura Chronicles by Martha Wells The Death of the Necromancer by Martha Wells   Content warnings: mentions of mass murder, violence, and kidnapping   You can learn more about Never the Twins Shall Meet at our website, neverthetwinsshallmeet.com

This week, Pie and Lulu discuss Nghi Vo's novel The Chosen and the Beautiful, a history fantasy retelling of The Great Gatsby starring Jordan Baker. Topics include the way Vo integrates magic into the classic novel, Jordan's adaptational identity as a bisexual Vietnamese woman, and an overabundance of enthusiasm for the idea of demonic bargains.    Content warnings: discussions of racism and a murder-suicide   Other media mentioned: Uncanny X-Men by Chris Claremont Exit Strategy by Martha Wells The Gutter Prayer by Gareth Ryder-Hanrahan Perfect on Paper by Sophie Gonzales Teen Titans: Raven and Teen Titans: Beast Boy by Kami Garcia and Gabriel Picolo The Great Gatsby (2013) directed by Baz Luhrmann  The Empress of Salt and Fortune by Nghi Vo Pride and Prejudice and Zombies The History of Papercutting and the Magic of The Chosen and the Beautiful by Nghi Vo on Tor.com Self-Made Boys by Anna-Marie McLemore (coming fall 2022) You can learn more about Never The Twins Shall Meet at our website, neverthetwinsshallmeet.com

This week, Pie and Lulu travel to gang-ruled 1920s Shanghai to discuss These Violent Delights by Chloe Gong, a historical fantasy retelling of Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet. Topics include the novel's dramatic romance, the atmospheric historical setting, and how Gong puts her own spin on the classic tale of love and rivalry.   Other media mentioned: In the Dream House by Carmen Maria Machado The Wicked and the Divine by Kieron Gillen and Jamie McKelvie The Jasmine Throne by Tasha Suri The Books of Ambha by Tasha Suri Batman: Under the Red Hood by Judd Winnick Suicide Squad: Bad Blood by Tom Taylor Gotham Academy by Becky Cloonan and Brenden Fletcher The Green Knight (2021) directed by David Lowery Romeo + Juliet (1996) directed by Baz Lurhmann Romeo & Juliet (2013) directed by Carlo Carlei Our Violent Ends by Chloe Gong   Content warnings: discussions historical colonialism and imperialism, medical horror, plagues/pandemics, self harm/suicide, and gang warfare   You can learn more about Never the Twins Shall Meet at our website.

This week, Pie and Lulu explore their most literary and intellectual pastime during the pandemic: reading a lot of X-Men comics. Covering comics from the eighties to the present day, topics include favorite characters, underrated comic runs, and thoughts on the unusual current status quo of the X-Men. Oh, and also cosmic tragedies, coming out stories, and karaoke–you know, all the usual staples of superhero comics. Comics discussed in-depth: Astonishing X-Men (2012-2013) by Marjorie Liu All-New Wolverine by Tom Taylor House of X/Powers of X by Jonathan Hickman Rictor and Shatterstar's publication history Rogue and Gambit's publication history Generation X by Christina Strain The Dark Phoenix Saga by Chris Claremont Iceman by Sina Grace Hellions by Zeb Wells   Other comics and media mentioned: Heathen by Natasha Alterici Uncomfortable Labels: My Life as a Gay Austistic Trans Woman by Laura Kate Dale These Feathered Flames by Alexandra Overy The Wolf and the Woodsman Ava Reid House of M by Brian Michael Bendis X-Force by Craig Kyle and Chris Yost X-Men: Season One by Dennis Hopeless All-New X-Men by Brian Michael Bendis Young Avengers: Children's Crusade by Allan Heinburg New Mutants (1983) by Chris Claremont X-23: Innocence Lost by Craig Kyle X-23 by Marjorie Liu The First Fifteen Lives of Harry August by Claire North New X-Men by Grant Morrison X-Factor Investigations by Peter David Rogue and Gambit: Ring of Fire by Kelly Thompson X-Men Gold by Marc Guggenheim Mr. and Mrs. X by Kelly Thompson Excalibur by Tini Howard Days of Future Past by Chris Claremont X of Swords by Jonathan Hickman and various others   Content warnings: Discussions of the Holocaust, racism in comics, (fictional) human experimentation, and homophobia   You can learn more about Never the Twins Shall Meet at our website.

This week, it's all about gothic vibes! Pie and Lulu take a look at two gothic-inspired novels: Down Comes the Night by Allison Saft and Mexican Gothic by Silvia Moreno-Garcia. We discuss the spooky atmospheres and isolated manor settings that both of the books share, as well as our love for the female protagonists. Also, why are we both afraid of mushrooms now? Listen to find out why!   Other media mentioned: Fierce Femmes and Notorious Liars by Kai Cheng Thom X-Men: From the Ashes by Chris Claremont The Pearl Thief by Elizabeth Wein Legendborn by Tracy Deonn Made You Look (2020) dir. Barry Avrich A Far Wilder Magic by Allison Saft Fullmetal Alchemist The Scorpio Races by Maggie Stiefvater   Content warnings: discussions of eugenics, incest, racism, cannibalism, abuse, medical horror, gun violence, murder, and suicide   You can learn more about Never the Twins Shall Meet at our website.

This week, Pie and Lulu take a dive into two very different takes on vampires: the 2014 comedy-mockumentary What We Do in the Shadows and S.T. Gibson's gothic novella A Dowry of Blood. We discuss comedic versus traditional interpretations of vampires, immortal roommate drama, and how human the heart of vampire stories can really be.   Other media mentioned: The Deep by Rivers Solomon How Long ‘til Black Future Month? by N.K. Jemisin The Dig (2021) What We Do in the Shadows (TV show)   Content warnings: discussions of an abusive relationship and all the death/blood-drinking/murder that vampires entail.

This week, Pie and Lulu dive into two fantasy novels featuring dead gods: Deeplight by Frances Hardinge and Strange the Dreamer by Laini Taylor. We discuss world-building, portrayals of fantasy religions, and how these books use the concept of dead divinities to explore the power of belief and storytelling.   Other Media Mentioned: Daughter of Smoke and Bone by Laini Taylor The Queen's Thief Series by Megan Whalen Turner The Inheritance Trilogy by N.K. Jemisin The Midnight Lie by Marie Rutkoski Eragon by Christopher Paolini Daredevil (Marvel comics)   Content warnings: Discussions of murder, body horror, ableism, emotionally manipulative relationships, drowning, PTSD, slavery, genocide, infanticide, and rape.   You can learn more about Never the Twins Shall Meet at our website. 

In a somewhat chaotic sixth episode, Pie and Lulu revisit their superhero comic nerd roots by rereading Young Avengers. A teenage superhero team originally created in 2005 by Allan Heinburg and Jim Cheung, members of the Young Avengers have gone on to become popular throughout the Marvel universe, starring in team books, solo stories, and epic comic crossovers. Starting back at the first run and reading all the way up to recent months, we discuss one of the most bonkers family trees at Marvel, LGBTQ+ representation in superhero comics, and the difficulties of life as a superpowered teen crimefighter, as well critiquing what has or hasn't held up in the years since we first discovered these comics.   Content warnings: discussions of drug addiction, sexual assault, antiblack racism, human experimentation, depression, and suicidal ideation.   You can learn more about Never the Twins Shall Meet at our website.   Comics discussed in-depth: Young Avengers (2005) by Allan Heinburg and Jim Cheung Young Avengers: Children's Crusade by Allan Heinburg and Jim Cheung Young Avengers (2013) by Kieron Gillen and Jamie McKelvie Empyre by Al Ewing & various others Lords of Empyre: Emperor Hulkling by Chip Zdarsky and Anthony Oliveira King in Black: Wiccan and Hulkling by Tini Howard (correction: with art by Luciano Vecchio) Other comics & media mentioned I Hope You're Listening by Tom Ryan All-New Wolverine by by Tom Taylor House of M by Brian Michael Bendis Runaways by Brian K. Vaughn and Adrian Alphona X-Factor Investigations by Peter David Hawkeye by Matt Fraction Vengeance by Joe Casey Marvel Boy by Grant Morrison New X-Men: Academy X by Nunzio DeFilippis and Christina Weir The Wicked and the Divine by Kieron Gillen America by Gabby Rivera America Chavez: Made in the USA by Kalinda Vázquez Guardians of the Galaxy by Al Ewing X-Factor by Leah Williams Marvel Voices: Pride anthology (upcoming) Hawkeye by Kelly Thompson West Coast Avengers by Kelly Thompson

In this week's episode, Pie and Lulu exclaim their love for the fantasy novel The Unspoken Name by A.K. Larkwood. Topics include how the novel melds science fiction and fantasy, its laugh-out-loud humor, our love of stories about the multiverse, the casual inclusion of gay and lesbian characters, and an over usage of the phrase "dubious wizard father figure." Content warnings: mentions of murder, violence, cults, and human sacrifice.

In this week's episode, Lulu and Pie take a dive into two mythology-infused superhero comics: Angela: Queen of Hel by Marguerite Bennett and Midnighter and Apollo by Steve Orlando. Topics include the way these two comics retell the classic myth of Orpheus and Eurydice, LGBTQ+ representation, demons made of ramen, and monopoly-playing supervillains.   Content warnings: discussions of death, slavery, homophobia, and human experimentation You can learn more about Never the Twins Shall Meet at our website.

In this week's episode, Pie and Lulu dive into three adaptations of Twelfth Night, Shakespeare's classic comedy: the National Theatre's 2017 production, the Public Works musical, and the web series Twelfth Grade (Or Whatever). Topics include how these adaptations explore the play's themes of gender and sexual fluidity, gay pirates, and why it's probably a bad idea to marry someone just because he looks like your crush.   Content warnings: discussions of homophobia and transphobia

In anticipation of the upcoming Netflix adaptation, Pie and Lulu reread Shadow and Bone by Leigh Bardugo and evaluate how it has held up over the years. We discuss the book's romance, world-building, exploration of the Chosen One archetype, hopes and hesitations regarding the TV show, and our undying love for Genya Safin.  Content warnings: emotionally manipulative relationships, ableism.

In the first episode of Never the Twins Shall Meet, Pie and Lulu introduce themselves and discuss the depictions of selkies–seal shapeshifters from Celtic folklore–in Franny Billingsley's novel The Folk Keeper and the film Song of the Sea. Content warnings for this episode include discussions of forced marriage and loss of a parent.