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https://youtu.be/B9j1nlRifHM Alex Fernandez, CEO of Synergy Orthopedic Specialists, is driven by a mission to help physicians Build a Multi-Site Medical Practice that creates wealth, equity, and independence beyond their personal labor. By bringing independent physicians together, building scalable organizations, and expanding access to integrated services, Alex helps doctors operate as entrepreneurs while delivering a more convenient and cost-effective patient experience. In this conversation, Alex introduces The Multi-Site Scaling Framework—Visualize Your Target EBITDA, Align With Your Partners, Remove Yourself From the Center, Build Systems, and Build Margin Around Your Core Business. He explains why starting with the desired enterprise value creates a clearer path for growth, why alignment must be a gate for every partnership or acquisition, and how strong systems allow a business to operate without depending on its founder. Alex also shares how vertical integration, company culture, geographic expansion, and AI-assisted processes can improve profitability while preserving independent medical care. — Build a Multi-Site Medical Practice with Alex Fernandez  Good day, dear listeners. Steve Preda here with the Management Blueprint Podcast, and welcome Alejandro “Alex” Fernandez, the CEO of Synergy Orthopedic Specialists, a team of surgeons and specialists that believes in providing patients with an integrated approach to musculoskeletal—I’m glad I could pronounce this—medical care through 15 locations throughout San Diego. Alex, welcome to the show.  Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate that. I’ve enjoyed your show, and I’m happy to be here.  Well, I’m always interested when I meet with medical provider companies or CEOs who have been doctors, because I grew up in a family of two doctors, and so I was exposed to some of the challenges of being a doctor and running a hospital. So that’s going to be interesting. So my favorite question that I ask recently to all our founders is, what is your personal why, and how are you manifesting it in your practice and in your business?  Yeah, for sure. And so my why, as you put it, comes from where I started. I actually don’t come from a family of physicians. I started not where I ended up. I’m a son of Cuban immigrants. My parents fled Castro in the ’60s, and I was born in Puerto Rico. Later on, my family took a lot of our family in the Mariel boatlift in 1981 and took hundreds of people out of Cuba. But in reality, the concept or the reality is that my parents didn’t have a lot of money. They had some connections, but they believed that I should have a college education.  But I had to work my way through eight years of college to get my bachelor’s. So I landed in healthcare as an accident. It was a small medical practice. I was basically doing front desk and medical records, and then later on learned how to do the billing, all by hand at that time. There were no electronic medical records. And I started basically at the front desk, and I watched something that I never really forgot, which is, you have these brilliant physicians, people that can diagnose patients and help them and cure them, but when it came to business, they were never taught anything about business.  So this is where I believe I have generated value over the years: basically, built companies that actually create wealth, and the wealth for the physicians in particular.Share on X I think physicians are very entrepreneurial. At least that’s the idea to begin with, is, “I’m going to go into the practice of medicine and have my own business.” But somewhere along the line, the business becomes almost like an ATM machine. It’s no different than any other entrepreneur that starts a business. They are the business. Without them, if they go away for a couple of days, the business doesn’t make any money, and they don’t really know how to do that. So what I’ve done over the years is I have gotten smaller groups of physicians to come together, form larger organizations, larger groups, and eventually built larger private businesses that can have EBITDA, equity earnings that can basically provide some additional wealth.  Particularly, I try to help them think of themselves as capitalists, not as day laborers. Because in reality, in most businesses, and particularly physicians, they’re cranking the wheel, and the more they produce, the more they work, the more they earn. But in some cases, they don’t understand how to get away from that. How to earn from all the other things that they control. Because physicians do control 80% of the spend in healthcare but earn probably no more than 5% of it.  Wow. That is shocking. So they’re not using the leverage properly, probably.  Yeah. Sometimes they know it’s there, but physicians in general are risk-averse. Just starting their own business is hard enough. Then having to figure out how to capitalize from all the levers that they have, that’s completely different. And they’re no different than, I would say, lawyers or accountants that start a small business. At some point in time, you have to figure out, how do you make the business big enough that it operates and works without you?  Yeah, I love that. I love that. And what makes you feel strongly for physicians?  Well, particularly independent physicians, I think it’s a dying breed. Years ago, I would hear the stories of my parents where they’d say, “Hey, we took you to the pediatrician,” and my dad would be friends with the OB-GYN that took care of my mom and the pediatrician. And I remember them naming them by first name or even meeting them at the social club. But nowadays, it’s very transactional. It’s very fast. There’s no connection.  So I think that’s why there’s been this whole surgence of concierge physicians where you pay extra. Because in truth, in order to make a living, the business of healthcare is compressed by downward pressures from the government and from other institutions that say, “We’re going to pay you less, but you have to have a significant amount of compliance, and you have to spend more money on this, and you have to do that.” And then at the same time, the cost of living goes up.  The employees need to make more money. Your rent goes up. The supplies continue to increase. So you have the static or lower reimbursement from the different payers, whether it’s Medicare, the government, or private institutions, and then an increase of expenses happening. That’s very strange to any business. In any other business, you say, “Well, if my costs go up, I increase my prices, and then maybe my margins are a little bit less, but I still have a significant margin.” In healthcare, you almost have to just work more in order to generate more revenue, and the expenses hopefully will increment a little bit more, but your earnings will be the same or less. So it’s a very tough situation for an independent physician.  That’s why more and more, especially physicians coming out of training, look for jobs with health systems, with the Kaisers of the world or the different large institutions in the United States, so that way they can go ahead and just go to work and take care of patients and not worry about the business of healthcare.  Yeah. But then these big hospitals turn into bureaucracies, and then they still have to worry about that in a different way.  And that’s personally the second part to that question you asked me. That’s why I like working with physicians and not necessarily with health systems. I’ve never held a job with a hospital. Not that I haven’t wanted to. It’s just, I think the nature of the bureaucracy of a health system creates some things that I’m not personally interested in.  Yeah. Well, I can see that. So Alex, this is a podcast of frameworks, as you know. So what’s a framework that has helped you build your business, maybe generate an insight, understand situations, maybe influence these physicians to come together in your roll-ups? Whatever framework you developed, could you share something with our listeners?  Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Most owners in a business—and I’ll talk in generic terms. I’ll try to make sure I don’t use any slang for healthcare—but most businesses build their business for income. They want to make income for their families, for themselves. They want to be able to take care of the people that they’re with. But they don’t really think about it from a perspective of, “Let me build a business that can multiply.” Maybe they want to, but in a lot of areas, it’s just hard for them.  I actually grew up in the bridal business. My parents had bridal stores. They basically did wedding packages, and that’s the business that I grew up in. Every summer, I would go and do the cash register or help rent tuxedos and things like that, or do filing and bookkeeping. So that’s where my entrepreneurial spirit comes from. It’s my parents. But I always saw them where maybe they built one or a couple stores, two, three stores, and they would kind of stop there. But I think I learned a lot from my dad in particular around multi-site operations in a retail industry, and I took that back into the healthcare business.  So one of the first things I think that a business owner has to do is they have to underwrite their own exit first.Share on X They have to think of growth and particularly of the value of the business if they were ever going to sell it. Figure out what your EBITDA or enterprise value is going to be, and then go from there. Then make the alignments first, but don’t make it the goal. Most people chase the volume, the customers, more locations, more deals, spend years fixing what they bolted on in order to flip it, but they don’t really take the time to align it. So I think the client, the partnership, the acquisition—you have to figure all that out at the beginning and then fix it later.  If I run into an acquisition that we’re looking at, and I don’t see the alignment from whoever I’m going to partner up with, I know it’s going to be a deal that’s going to go bad eventually. We all have to be thinking the same way. Then the other thing, like I already mentioned this a couple of times, but you have to take yourself out of the center. If you’re the CEO, you’re the business owner, and the business depends on you—you can’t go on your two- or three-week vacation to Europe or wherever you want to go, and when you come back, the business is in disarray or didn’t survive—you don’t really have a business.  You just have a job that costs you a lot of money to maintain. I think that’s where operating systems earn their keep. I haven’t really run the EOS program, but I’ve read the book, and I really like the idea of the scorecards, and I used it particularly when I came to this opportunity in San Diego. Getting everybody to row in the same direction. A business that runs with a founder and a single thing, it’s one that won’t get very far.  But on the other hand, if the founder figures out a way to build systems around them and bring in the right people, that’s going to make the business way more successful. And the last one I would say is own the margin around your core. Don’t just sell the core service. Figure out what else you have. And I think in healthcare in particular, I was mentioning this: doctors control a significant amount of what happens to a patient, but they don’t figure out ways to vertically integrate the business to have access or have the opportunity to earn some revenue and some earnings from the actual business they refer to.  So what I’ve done over the years, particularly in gastroenterology, I grew a medical practice of gastroenterologists. A couple of them came together, and it was around 50 million in revenue when I came in. And one of the first things I started doing was figuring out, how do we add, let’s say, imaging services? So we added CT. How do we add infusion services? Because back then, there were some significant drugs that were coming into market around infusion. But later on, we said, “Hey, we have an investment in an ASC, but why don’t we do the investment so the investment’s part of the group? So all the doctors can benefit from that.  And when we actually equitize the business in the future, that could be part of our exit if there’s equity there.” And then the next question was, “Well, why don’t we sell the prep that we give people before they get the colonoscopy?” So we got licensing around pharmacy, and then we said, “Well, what about anesthesia? What about pathology?” And so on and so on. So when I went to New York City and I ran a dermatology group, we built a path lab for the derms. When I came here to the orthopedic group, we had PT locations, expanded to multiple PT locations, improved the contracts around durable medical equipment, the bracing, even added anesthesia and started our own ambulatory surgical center.  So always trying to figure out, how can you vertically integrate the business to try to capture as much as you can from the client that’s in front of you? Not only just from a money perspective, but also from an experience perspective, being able to provide it all under one roof and being able to give the patient, the customer, a great experience. You want to provide outstanding medical care. Quality medical care is kind of like a base. If you go to a doctor, you expect to get better. But what we see in healthcare a lot is that people don’t think about it.  Like, in our offices, we say, “Thank you for choosing Synergy Orthopedics.” We know patients have a choice, so we have to develop a model that allows the patient to say, “Hey, I want to go here because these guys have it all under one roof.” But more importantly, that’s typically what the hospitals have. But hospitals charge for the same thing I provide two and three times more because they have a different type of leverage with the contracts. So I always say, “Why did the duck cross the road? Oh, because they went from the hospital to the ambulatory surgical center to get a colonoscopy to save 700 bucks.” I mean, it’s literally that simple.  And I don’t think patients in general know that, but I think the doctors have a great opportunity to control the delivery system, provide a great experience for the patients, and at the same time, make some money from things that they don’t physically have to do. They can hire the physical therapist, et cetera.  Yeah. Okay, so that’s great. So what I’m hearing, the framework is: think of growth first—what’s the EBITDA you want? Then create alignment, take yourself out of the center, build systems, and build margin around your core business. So that’s wonderful. Now, step two, I’m not 100% clear on. So you said make alignment with partners, but don’t make it the goal. What do you mean by that?  Well, because particularly I’ve been involved in private equity medical groups. So with private equity, you have cash, you have leverage, so you can go and buy, buy, buy, buy. In private equity, to a degree, they want growth. But I’ve been in deals where the thesis was, for example, we’re all going to be rowing in the same direction with the same flag, same brand, and we’re going to transfer from having—there were four medical groups, so four different, distinct medical groups—and we’re putting them together under what’s called a management services organization, a management company, and basically form one larger group.  But that was never aligned because the doctors, in their head, said, “You’re acquiring me, so you’re buying this magnificent, outstanding business. Now why do you want to change my electronic medical records? Why do you want to change the way we do our, let’s say, revenue cycle management or billing? Why do you want to change our brand? Our brand’s fantastic.” Even though they were all called Dermatology blah, blah, blah, something and something. So you have to make sure that the people that you’re going to bring on board, whether it’s through acquisition, merger, or just employment, that they really believe in your story, that they believe in the core vision of the business.  Not just try to put people in there and make more deals, get more locations, spend more years, and then you put all these things together and you bolt them up, but you spend more time trying to fix it. In my Gastro Health and in the ortho business, we always started with, “Let’s make sure we have our house in order before we go out and start growing the organization and adding more to what we have.” The last thing you want to do is add more and then find out that you have to spend more time fixing it.  No, that makes sense. But then you qualified it. You said, “Don’t make it the goal. Don’t make alignment the goal.” So how does it become the goal? What’s the risk there?  So no, make it the gate, not the goal. Meaning, alignment is extremely important, but you want the alignment to be the one thing that puts you together. But at the end, everybody has to be buying into the idea. It’s not the only goal. Their goal is also money. The goal is growth. But it has to be one of the key things. In healthcare, I tend to think, and particularly with private equity, that’s not perceived. It’s more about getting deals done.  Yeah. They don’t care about the mission. They don’t care about the vision, the alignment.  I think they do. In their thesis, they do, and they want it. But it’s kind of like, at the end, you’re looking at this business. They want to sell, you want to buy, you have money, they want money, and sometimes it’s just easier to say, “Well, we can grow from $30 million to $60 million, from $10 million of EBITDA to $20 million of EBITDA. We’re going to get, instead of a 10 multiple, we’re going to get a 15 multiple.”  So sometimes that gets in the way. And I would say, by the way, I worked with great and fantastic private equity firms, so I’m not saying they all think that way. But for sure, the perception is that they’re going to go in and try to make deals happen because they do have an end goal. Their end goal is to their investors that gave them funds, that they told them they were going to get them a four-, five-, seven-times multiple on their investment.  So in your own business, Synergy Orthopedic Specialists, is this a private equity-funded business or is it bootstrapped?  No. No, it’s bootstrapped. The physicians, when I came on board—at that time, I started with them six years ago in 2020, and the market was really hot still, ’21, ’22, ’23, and then the interest rates went up, and then things have softened. I think also they got softened for what we’ve been discussing earlier. There’s been a lot of deals that have been done where acquisitions were done in multiple states. There’s not a lot of synergy or a lot of things that were worked out to try to make sure that the organization was working together, the multiple organizations that were acquired.  And the idea was, if we buy four million-dollar businesses, they will be, instead of an eight-times multiple, they’ll be a 10- or 12-times multiple. So I think there’s a lot of deals that are stuck in the marketplace right now, and the groups are trying to figure out how to evolve the organization after five, six, seven years from, “Hey, we let you alone. We let you be. But now we need to start integrating. Now we have to start building an enterprise. Now we have to start building a real platform.” And I think that the organizations that did that earlier have been able to exit and done a much better multiple and growth.  And also the key is, in these transactions where people get together, a lot of times it’s all about the fun. “Hey, we go out to dinner, and everybody’s well, and everybody’s happy, and how much money we’re going to make,” and blah, blah. But nobody really asks the tough questions, or some people do because they actually don’t want the deals to get done. But I think it comes from the buyer. The buyer needs to be very upfront with what they want to accomplish with a transaction, whether, again, a merger or an acquisition.  You want to make sure that you’re extremely transparent about what the end goal is going to be. And if the end goal is like, “Hey, I’m going to leave you alone for a year, but in a year and one day, your name’s going to change, your software’s going to change, your HR is going to change. And by that time, we’ll figure out about your staff, and we might probably cut 25% of your staff because you’re bloated, and we actually have to make you a little bit more fit and trim so you can actually be able to grow and provide better care to your patients.”  So what I’m seeing is, it’s quite impressive. You have 15 locations, you have a huge service mix. You have, compared to the number of locations and service mix, a limited number of people. So how do you maintain the Synergy standard? And how do you manage this complexity with such low—low per— It took— How many people?  Yeah, it’s—right. Yeah, I agree. It’s taken some time. Again, I wouldn’t say that it’s perfect. We’re always evolving, changing. I mean, I always say the only constant thing in healthcare is change. But it started with the company culture. When I first got here, there were four or five organizations that came together, and they were still using their old names. Synergy Orthopedics was like this little kind of byline under their business cards. It wasn’t really the brand.  And then over time, we got people in the organization rowing in the same direction, using the same flag, and over time we started to dominate the market. We started to be perceived, and we are today, the largest independent medical orthopedic group in San Diego. So when people think of MSK, we take care of the hockey team, we take care of the soccer team, we take care of professional players. The larger organizations reach out to us about developing contracts, direct contracts to provide services to them.  So that took a long time, but it started with building that company culture. And along the way, some people left. Some people just didn’t fit what we were trying to build. And it wasn’t just me. I didn’t do this by myself, of course. The reality was we built a team around what we were trying to create. Physicians, in this case, are the leaders. Physician leadership was there, and this is what they wanted as well. So I think, yes, when we’re now in other counties we’re in Riverside County, so we’re north of San Diego. We’re all the way to Palm Desert and looking to grow into Orange County and L.A. County eventually.  So the goal is also in growth, and size allows leverage and negotiation power with the different payers. And that’s very different than in other industries where you have a payer, let’s say Blue Shield or Anthem or United, that kind of controls how you’re going to provide service, how much they’re going to pay you, et cetera, et cetera. So the only way to really have any type of seat at the table is that your organization has to be large enough and a market leader and basically be something, or an organization, that they can’t say no to, that they want to have in their network. So that’s how we’ve been able to do this over the last five, six years now.  So what drives the growth? Is it the acquisitions? Is it geographic expansion? Is it payers refer business? What’s the driver?  All of it. You have to do everything. It’s like that movie, Everything Everywhere All at Once. It’s like you have to do everything. We started by first creating the brand and the company culture, expanding that brand and company culture by figuring out who having the right seats on the bus, making sure the right people that wanted to be with us were there. And then we said, “Okay, we don’t have a spine program. Let’s figure out how we recruit a spine doctor. Let’s figure out how we recruit a pain doctor.  Let’s get a foot and ankle specialist because we don’t have one. Let’s expand our sports medicine program.” So we took over a fellowship training program in San Diego that was probably going to expire, and then we took it over and continued the legacy of the physician that started it from the beginning. We’ve done some mergers. We’ve done some acquisitions. We’ve done some new locations. We’ve expanded our physical therapy footprint. We built out an ambulatory surgical center. That was a big endeavor. These things cost millions and millions of dollars. Just in construction alone, it was like $600… I think our overall investment’s somewhere around $12, $15 million, so highly leveraged. We brought in a partner, a national partner, to help us run and fund the enterprise.  We started an anesthesia division. So I would say you have to do everything, and all of it together, as time goes by, creates that vision. As long as you have the vision, like I said, the beginning thing is you have to start with the end goal. And the end goal is we want to build a business that’s independent. That’s our goal. We don’t want to be sold or be part of the hospital system. So you have to build the end goal, work through the process, grow it, and do all the things at the same time, which is extremely hard, I would say.  Yeah. This is fascinating. So you have a lot of complexity. You have a lot of locations, a lot of services, 50 providers. I mean, sometimes doctors can be cats, hard to manage them. Eagles, eagles. I always say, try to get eagles to fly in a straight line. Impossible. Yeah.  But if you had a magic wand and you could fix one thing in your business in the next 12 months, what would it be?  I will be honest, it’s expenses. Expenses can and I’ve talked about this before the pressures in the healthcare industry really are driven around expenses. We just got an increase in minimum wage in healthcare, specifically in California, where a physician practice now has to pay $23 an hour for a minimum-wage job, where minimum wage is almost half of that if you’re in any other industry. So I think everybody should make more than $23, particularly in San Diego. It’s a very expensive place to live.  But I think it’s more around the pressures that are put on the industry, but the levers are not there to increase revenue to be able to support or subsidize those expenses. So, for all intents and purposes, we’re looking at how we increase revenue by keeping expenses the same, or fixed, or a little bit higher than what they are, by augmenting with AI, like every other industry is doing. Figuring out whether it’s using AI in your MRI to be able to process the imaging faster, clearer, better, and be able to add three or four more patients a day. That profit goes straight to the bottom line.  It might be before we had people that are scribes that basically did the documentation of the history, the notes, and the medical records. Now doctors are using—well, they’ve been using voice recognition for a while—but now you’re doing ambient AI, where basically it’s listening to the conversation with the patient, of course with the patient’s approval, and being able to document all that information into the record much faster, quicker, better, and more precise. And so on. Answering the phones, being able to—when the patient gets statements, we typically send out statements every two weeks.  But when we send them, we send thousands of statements, so we get thousands of phone calls. You can’t get all those phone calls when somebody says, “I owe $50, and I don’t know why,” and being able to have an AI that tells you, “The $50 is because you had a copayment or you had a deductible, and it’s due to your insurance program with whatever the insurance is.” And they’re like, “Oh, okay.” “You want to pay that right now?” “Yes.” It sends you a text to your phone, qualifies who you are, you click on it, you put your payment information. The information goes in, the payment gets posted. Nobody got involved. AI took care of the whole process. So we’re trying to figure out how to assist the staff without having to let go. At least my intent is not to let go of people.  My intent is to try to make sure that we do the best job possible and use AI to augment the process, not to replace the staff. I get very worried, in general, about what’s going on with AI as an industry, where people are saying, “Well, I use it as my assistant. I use it as this.” Well, I started at the front desk. If there are no front desk jobs, how could I have been CEO of this multimillion-dollar organization if I didn’t get a foot in the door to begin with? So I feel very worried for my kids that are growing up. One’s studying to be a psychologist, the other one’s in marketing. How are they going to learn and grow in an industry or a business if they can’t get their foot in the door?  Yeah. That is a concern. I don’t know if we can fix it, but I’m worried about it too. So Alex, who would you like to listen to this podcast and to take action? And what kind of action should they take?  Well, I think it’s generic. I always say, I have an MBA in healthcare administration, but I could have gone and done any type of business. Like I said to you, I grew up in the retail industry. So I think it’s more around, if you’re an entrepreneur and you have talent and you’ve worked really hard at doing something, you have to figure out how to hire the right people so that they can do a job that maybe you don’t know how to do, how to scale up a business by investing in it, making sure you don’t look at your business as an ATM machine or a salary that pays you every week or every period of time, but look at it as you’re an entrepreneur, a capitalist.  You’re building an organization. You’re providing jobs for people. But at the end, the business has to give you more than your salary. There has to be equity in the enterprise, and that’s the money you’ll be able to use to maybe have leverage or to use in order to add that next location or look at what’s the next opportunity, whether you’re, again, a doctor or you’re running a retail organization that wants to have multiple locations. The key is, think of the end goal. And the end goal, not necessarily that you’re going to sell, but what is it going to be? What is the business that you want to have valued at, and how have they grown?  Look and listen to other people like yourself, Steve, and all the different things that you do in regard to building that journey of the business, and figure out how to take the next step and the next step and the next step. It doesn’t happen overnight. You don’t get from a $50 million company to a $150 million company. It took me seven years to get there. But it’s done by augmenting and adding features and adding services, but doing it very intelligently, thinking it through, not just adding it for the sake of adding it, then, like I said before, having to bolt it on and try to fix more of the problems, creating more problems.  No. Fix your house, figure out where you’re at, make sure it’s earning equity. Maybe you have to reprice. Maybe you have to figure out how the business needs to run a little bit nimbler. Maybe you have to use technology, whether it’s AI answering the phone because you’re the guy that—you have a pizza shop. Why do you have to have people answering? Have the AI take the order, have the AI tell people to go to the website, and so on, so you can have pizzas going out of your store every five minutes. So for sure, there are great opportunities. And if you’re a business owner, I want you to think that you can. It’s not impossible. It can be done. You don’t need an MBA. You just need to work hard and think it through and come up with a business plan and an idea on how you want to get there.  Yeah. Well, this is very inspiring. So if you are a founder, you’re running a business, or you’re about to start a business, look at what Alex has done. He was a son of Cuban immigrants, came to this country, built from nothing a 15-location, 50-provider medical group, and works with private equity, advises companies as well. Follow his example.  So Alex Fernandez, thank you for sharing your wisdom on the show. And if you’re listening and you enjoyed this conversation, stay tuned because I have a couple of exciting entrepreneurs every week who come on the show and share their secrets and frameworks with you. So thanks for coming, Alex, and thank you for listening. Important Links: Alex's LinkedIn Alex's website

THE NIGHT HE CAME HOME—AND CHANGED HORROR FOREVER! Taking care of your health just got easier – start here with Zocdoc: https://zocdoc.com/REJECTS #sponsored Jackie Bonsignore & Jon Maturan experience John Carpenter's Halloween (1978) in this full movie reaction and review of the landmark slasher classic. Fifteen years after a horrifying childhood crime, Michael Myers escapes confinement and returns to Haddonfield, where babysitter Laurie Strode slowly realizes that the silent figure watching her may be far more than an ordinary man. From the chilling opening POV and Michael appearing behind the hedge to the ghost-sheet disguise, the iconic head tilt, Laurie's closet confrontation, and John Carpenter's legendary Halloween theme, Jackie & Jon encounter the night The Shape became a horror icon—all without spoilers here! Halloween (1978) Full Movie Reaction Watch Along:   / thereelrejects   Directed and scored by John Carpenter (The Thing, Escape from New York) and co-written by Debra Hill (The Fog, Halloween II), Halloween stars Jamie Lee Curtis as Laurie Strode (True Lies, Everything Everywhere All at Once), Donald Pleasence as Dr. Samuel Loomis (The Great Escape, You Only Live Twice), Nancy Kyes as Annie Brackett (Assault on Precinct 13, Halloween III), P.J. Soles as Lynda Van Der Klok (Carrie, Rock 'n' Roll High School), Charles Cyphers as Sheriff Leigh Brackett (The Fog, Escape from New York), and Nick Castle as Michael Myers / The Shape (Escape from New York, The Last Starfighter). Jackie & Jon discuss Jamie Lee Curtis' feature-film debut, Michael Myers' terrifying simplicity, Dr. Loomis' warnings, Dean Cundey's atmospheric cinematography, Carpenter's unforgettable score, the movie's slow-building suspense, its most influential scares, and whether the original Halloween remains the greatest slasher movie ever made. Follow Jackie Bonsignore: https://www.instagram.com/jackiebonsignore/ Follow Jon Maturan: https://www.instagram.com/jonmaturan/?hl=en Intense Suspense by Audionautix is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... Support The Channel By Getting Some REEL REJECTS Apparel! https://www.rejectnationshop.com/ Follow Us On Socials:  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/  Tik-Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@reelrejects?lang=en Twitter: https://x.com/reelrejects Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ Music Used In Ad:  Hat the Jazz by Twin Musicom is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Happy Alley by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... POWERED BY @GFUEL Visit https://gfuel.ly/3wD5Ygo and use code REJECTNATION for 20% off select tubs!! Head Editor: https://www.instagram.com/praperhq/?hl=en Co-Editor: Greg Alba Co-Editor: John Humphrey Music In Video: Airport Lounge - Disco Ultralounge by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Ask Us A QUESTION On CAMEO: https://www.cameo.com/thereelrejects Follow TheReelRejects On FACEBOOK, TWITTER, & INSTAGRAM:  FB:  https://www.facebook.com/TheReelRejects/ INSTAGRAM:  https://www.instagram.com/reelrejects/ TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/thereelrejects Follow GREG ON INSTAGRAM & TWITTER: INSTAGRAM:  https://www.instagram.com/thegregalba/ TWITTER:  https://twitter.com/thegregalba Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're not a hypocrite for being patient with strangers and short with the people you love — you're depleted. This episode breaks down the three real forces behind that pattern: the emotional labor of managing your face and tone all day, the way unresolved frustration gets displaced onto safer targets, and the deeper truth that the people closest to you get your worst moments partly because they're the one place you feel safe enough to stop performing. Brett Ingram introduces "the threshold" — a single conscious pause between your outer life and the people you love — as the practical alternative to just trying harder to be nice at the door. What You'll Learn in This Episode Why you spend your best patience on strangers who mean nothing to you, while the people you love get the leftovers What "emotional labor" actually is, and why faking calm all day drains the same tank you need at home The psychology of displaced aggression — why a small thing at home (a dish, a lost set of keys) can trigger a reaction wildly out of proportion to the moment The real reason the people you love get your worst side: because they're safe, not because you love them less Why the standard advice — "just be more patient at home" — quietly makes the pattern worse The "threshold" — a single conscious pause between your day and your door, and why it works better than willpower A simple 10-second practice, and three reflection questions, to start changing the pattern this week Episode Timestamps [00:00] The moment at the door: kind to strangers, sharp with the people you love [01:00] Introducing optYOUmize and today's question [02:00] The quiet shame nobody talks about — and why it happens to good, loving people [03:00] Three real forces at work, and why they stack [04:00] Force #1: Emotional labor and the limited supply of "managing yourself" [07:00] Force #2: Displaced aggression — the psychology of kicking the dog [08:00] Force #3: Why safety, not love, explains the pattern [10:00] Why "just be more patient at home" backfires [12:00] The threshold: making the crossing from world to home conscious [15:00] The practice: the threshold pause and three reflection questions [17:00] The caveats — this isn't a pass for harm, and when the real problem is upstream [19:00] Closing: what to carry out of this episode Episode Summary Most people who snap at the people they love aren't cruel — they're the ones who held it together all day for everyone else. That's the paradox at the center of this episode: the same person who was gracious with a difficult coworker, patient with a stranger who took their parking spot, and warm in an email they didn't feel like writing can walk through their own front door and go flat, sharp, or gone the moment someone they love asks an ordinary question. Brett Ingram argues this isn't a character flaw. It's the predictable result of three forces stacking on top of each other, and understanding them changes what you actually do about it. The first force is emotional labor — a term the sociologist Arlie Hochschild coined in 1983 for the work of managing your feelings to match what a situation demands: the customer service voice, the meeting face, the "I'm fine" you say a dozen times before lunch. That management draws on a real, limited supply. Research on "surface acting" — performing an emotion you don't actually feel — has found it genuinely depletes people, and that depletion spills over: a day of faking it at work has been linked to more tension and less warmth at home that same night. You didn't run out of love. You ran out of regulation. The second force is displaced aggression — the psychological version of kicking the dog. When you're provoked somewhere you can't respond (you can't snap at your boss, you can't yell at traffic), the frustration doesn't disappear. It waits for a safer target. A 2000 meta-analysis by Amy Marcus-Newhall and colleagues confirmed this is a real, reliable effect — and found that displacement lands hardest when a small thing at home adds a spark to frustration you were already carrying in from somewhere else. The person at home didn't start the fire. They just struck the match. The third force is the one that reframes the whole pattern: safety. Drawing on attachment researchers John Bowlby and Mary Ainsworth, Brett describes the people closest to you as a "safe haven" — the one place you're allowed to stop performing. That's the entire point of intimacy. But the same safety that lets you finally exhale is also the safety that makes home the place you leak your unmanaged, depleted self. The people getting your worst are getting it partly because you trust them not to leave. That reframe is also why the standard advice — just be more patient at home — makes things worse. It asks you to add one more room of performance to a tank that's already empty. Instead, Brett introduces the threshold: a single conscious pause, wherever it fits your day, between the world and the people you love. One honest question — "what am I carrying, and do I want to hand it to them?" — turns an automatic crossing into a deliberate one. It's not a program or an app. It's ten seconds, once a day, at whatever boundary works for you: the last stretch of the commute, the hand on the front door, the moment you close the laptop. Brett is careful to draw two lines around this idea. First, this isn't permission to perform calm or swallow real feelings — sharing that you're depleted is connection; dumping it on someone is collateral damage. Second, "I was tired" explains a short tone, but it never excuses cruelty, contempt, or anything that makes home unsafe for the people in it. And if you're chronically arriving at zero, the pause at the door won't fix a life that's structurally over capacity — that's a different, upstream conversation about what you've said yes to. Resources Mentioned Arlie Hochschild — Sociologist who coined the term "emotional labor" in 1983 to describe the work of managing feelings to fit social expectations Amy Marcus-Newhall et al., 2000 meta-analysis — Research review confirming displaced aggression as a real, reliable psychological effect John Bowlby & Mary Ainsworth — Attachment researchers whose work on the "safe haven" concept underlies the episode's third force Everything Everywhere All at Once — Film referenced for the character Waymond's line on kindness as a strategy, not a weakness Frequently Asked Questions Why am I kinder to strangers than to my own family? It's usually not about loving your family less — it's about depletion. By the time you reach the people you love, you may have already spent the day's supply of patience managing your face, tone, and reactions for people who mean nothing to you. The people closest to you also feel safe enough that you stop performing around them, which means your unmanaged, tired self shows up there first. What is emotional labor, and why does it drain me before I even get home? Emotional labor, a term coined by sociologist Arlie Hochschild in 1983, is the work of managing your feelings to match what a situation demands — the customer service voice, the meeting face, saying "I'm fine" when you're not. That management runs on a limited supply, and research on "surface acting" shows the exhaustion spills over into evenings at home, even though the cause has nothing to do with the people there. Why does a small thing at home, like a sink full of dishes, trigger such a big reaction? This is displaced aggression: frustration from somewhere you couldn't respond — a boss, traffic, a bad meeting — waits and comes out later on a safer target. A 2000 meta-analysis found the displacement lands hardest when a small irritation at home adds a spark to frustration you were already carrying. The dish isn't the real source of the reaction; it's just what happened to be there. Why do the people I love the most get my worst moments? Because they're safe. Attachment research describes close relationships as a "safe haven" — the one place you're allowed to stop performing and exhale. That safety is what makes intimacy possible, but it's also what makes home the place your depleted, unfiltered self leaks out. It's not that you love them less; it's that you trust them not to leave. Why doesn't "just be more patient at home" work as advice? Because it asks you to add more emotional labor and performance exactly where your tank is already empty — the one room that was supposed to be where you could take the mask off. It also feeds a guilt spiral: snapping leads to shame, and shame depletes you further, making you shorter next time, not kinder. What is the "threshold," and how do I actually practice it? The threshold is a conscious pause, wherever it fits your day — the last stretch of a commute, the hand on the front door, closing your laptop — between your outer life and the people you love. The practice is simple: at that boundary, take ten seconds and ask, "What am I carrying, and do I want to hand it to them?" It's not a program; it's one question that turns an automatic crossing into a deliberate one. Is this pattern ever a bigger problem than just a hard day? Yes. Being tired explains a short tone, but it doesn't excuse cruelty, contempt, or anything that makes the people you live with feel unsafe — that's a different conversation. And if you're chronically arriving at zero, the threshold pause alone won't fix a life that's structurally over capacity; the real work may be upstream, in what you've said yes to. Keep Exploring If this episode resonated, these are worth your time: Relationships & Connection pillar page — Go deeper on how optYOUmize thinks about the people closest to you and the patterns that quietly shape those relationships Enjoyed This Episode? The best way to support optYOUmize is to subscribe and leave a review — it takes about two minutes and makes a real difference in helping more people find the show. Apple Podcasts · Spotify · Amazon Music · YouTube Leave a Review →

What holds us together when life feels divided, overwhelming, and uncertain? In the final message of our *Summer Reading* series, Pastor Rachel Keeler explores 2 Corinthians 5:17–21 and the life-changing promise that anyone who is in Christ is a new creation. Through Jesus, we are reconciled to God, given a fresh start, and invited to become ambassadors of reconciliation in a fractured world. Drawing from the film *Everything Everywhere All at Once*, Pastor Rachel reflects on our longing for someone who understands everything we see and feel—someone who can bring meaning, unity, and healing to every part of life. Scripture points us to Jesus, the one through whom all things were created and in whom all things hold together. As we grow closer to Christ, his life transforms us. We become people who carry the peace, love, and healing of God's coming new creation into our relationships, workplaces, neighborhoods, and communities. **Big idea: Everything holds together in Christ.** Where might God be calling you to take the first step toward reconciliation? **Scripture:** 2 Corinthians 5:17–21; Colossians 1:15–20 **Speaker:** Pastor Rachel Keeler **Series:** Summer Reading **Message:** Everything, Everywhere **Date:** August 9, 2026 #GraceChapel #NewCreation #Reconciliation

Thank you for listening! Check out this link to buy DB's Books[link] Topics include: Charcuterie Cyberpunk Coffee/Tea Recipe book with OGL D20 stats. 17. The Voice in the Night – William Hope Hodgson Sea horror. Isolation. Transformation. Hodgson makes the ocean feel biologically alien. Underwater (2020) – Ancient things below human scale. 18. The Monster Maker” — Ray Bradbury, Planet Stories, Spring 1944 — Fear and perception generate monsters; the real threat is partly an intelligence manipulating what people think they see. The Mothman Prophecies (2002) – Omen, pattern, unseen intelligence. 19. The Raven - Edgar Allen Poe Obsession and mortality tightening inward. The Raven (2012) – Obsession and mortality tightening inward. 20. The Plattner Story – H. G. Wells A man slips into a flipped, alternate dimension and comes back geometrically wrong. Multiverse dislocation before Marvel made it fashionable. Everything Everywhere All at Once (2022) – Multiversal fracture of meaning. 21. The White People – Arthur Machen Youth, ritual, secret worlds behind glamour. Machen's fae horror undercuts innocence with something ancient and hungry. K-Pop Demon Hunters (2025) – Pop mythology as open cosmology; spectacle swallowing structure.

Thank you for listening! Check out this link to buy DB's Books[link] Topics include: Charcuterie Cyberpunk Coffee/Tea Recipe book with OGL D20 stats. 17. The Voice in the Night – William Hope Hodgson Sea horror. Isolation. Transformation. Hodgson makes the ocean feel biologically alien. Underwater (2020) – Ancient things below human scale. 18. The Monster Maker” — Ray Bradbury, Planet Stories, Spring 1944 — Fear and perception generate monsters; the real threat is partly an intelligence manipulating what people think they see. The Mothman Prophecies (2002) – Omen, pattern, unseen intelligence. 19. The Raven - Edgar Allen Poe Obsession and mortality tightening inward. The Raven (2012) – Obsession and mortality tightening inward. 20. The Plattner Story – H. G. Wells A man slips into a flipped, alternate dimension and comes back geometrically wrong. Multiverse dislocation before Marvel made it fashionable. Everything Everywhere All at Once (2022) – Multiversal fracture of meaning. 21. The White People – Arthur Machen Youth, ritual, secret worlds behind glamour. Machen's fae horror undercuts innocence with something ancient and hungry. K-Pop Demon Hunters (2025) – Pop mythology as open cosmology; spectacle swallowing structure.

What if the Lie the Character Believes isn't really a lie? For years I've taught the Lie the Character Believes as the foundation of character arc. But over time, I've come to see that this concept may point toward something much deeper than just a mistaken belief. In this episode, I explore three increasingly complex models for understanding the Lie the Character Believes—from a simple false belief, to a limited perspective, and finally to an ego identity. Along the way, we'll look at why character arc may be less about transformation and more about alignment, how the backstory Ghost creates the identities that shape our stories, and why the deepest arcs mirror the lifelong process of individuation. We talk about: • Why the Lie the Character Believes isn't always a lie • The difference between false beliefs, limited perspectives, and ego identities • How the Ghost creates the coping mechanisms behind character arc • Why character arc may be better understood as alignment rather than transformation • The relationship between story, consciousness, and individuation • Why archetypal stories resonate so deeply with readers • Examples from Jane Eyre, Everything Everywhere All at Once, A Court of Thorns and Roses, The Matrix, and more Whether you're developing a story, studying character arc, or simply fascinated by the deeper psychology of storytelling, I hope this conversation offers a fresh perspective on one of story theory's most foundational concepts. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Introduction 02:51 The Lie the Character Believes Isn't Really a Lie 03:45 The Lie Starts Out as Truth 04:40 Yesterday's Truth Is Tomorrow's Lie 06:39 Three Ways to Understand the Lie the Character Believes 07:55 The Lie as Separation 09:53 Three Stories, Three Models 11:05 How the Ghost Creates the Lie 12:35 The Point at Which the Story Begins 13:27 Coping Mechanisms That Become Cages 14:40 Why Character Arc Is Alignment Rather Than Transformation 15:44 Non-Reactivity as the Path 17:14 Four Examples 18:10 The Lie the Character Believes as Social Reality 20:10 The Tyrant-Ogre Holdfast: Keeper of the Status Quo 22:40 Character Arc as the Union of Consciousness and the Unconscious 23:44 Want More? Shadow Archetypes: Writing Complex Fictional Characters 25:22 On the Blog: Why Honesty Makes Flawed Characters More Likable Read the accompanying post: https://www.helpingwritersbecomeauthors.com/lie-the-character-believes-consciousness LINKS & RESOURCES Want More? 8-WEEK COURSE: Shadow Archetypes: Writing Complex Fictional Characters Learn how passive and aggressive shadow archetypes reveal the deepest fears, coping mechanisms, and transformational opportunities within your characters' arcs. This eight-week email course explores how archetypal psychology can help you create richer inner conflict, more resonant themes, and stories that reflect the deeper patterns of human growth. Sign Up Here: https://kmweilandstore.com/b/shadow-archetypes-course

Thank you for listening! Check out this link to buy DB's Books[link] Topics include: Charcuterie Cyberpunk Coffee/Tea Recipe book with OGL D20 stats. 17. The Voice in the Night – William Hope Hodgson Sea horror. Isolation. Transformation. Hodgson makes the ocean feel biologically alien. Underwater (2020) – Ancient things below human scale. 18. The Monster Maker” — Ray Bradbury, Planet Stories, Spring 1944 — Fear and perception generate monsters; the real threat is partly an intelligence manipulating what people think they see. The Mothman Prophecies (2002) – Omen, pattern, unseen intelligence. 19. The Raven - Edgar Allen Poe Obsession and mortality tightening inward. The Raven (2012) – Obsession and mortality tightening inward. 20. The Plattner Story – H. G. Wells A man slips into a flipped, alternate dimension and comes back geometrically wrong. Multiverse dislocation before Marvel made it fashionable. Everything Everywhere All at Once (2022) – Multiversal fracture of meaning. 21. The White People – Arthur Machen Youth, ritual, secret worlds behind glamour. Machen's fae horror undercuts innocence with something ancient and hungry. K-Pop Demon Hunters (2025) – Pop mythology as open cosmology; spectacle swallowing structure.

Thank you for listening! Check out this link to buy DB's Books[link] Topics include: Charcuterie Cyberpunk Coffee/Tea Recipe book with OGL D20 stats. 17. The Voice in the Night – William Hope Hodgson Sea horror. Isolation. Transformation. Hodgson makes the ocean feel biologically alien. Underwater (2020) – Ancient things below human scale. 18. The Monster Maker” — Ray Bradbury, Planet Stories, Spring 1944 — Fear and perception generate monsters; the real threat is partly an intelligence manipulating what people think they see. The Mothman Prophecies (2002) – Omen, pattern, unseen intelligence. 19. The Raven - Edgar Allen Poe Obsession and mortality tightening inward. The Raven (2012) – Obsession and mortality tightening inward. 20. The Plattner Story – H. G. Wells A man slips into a flipped, alternate dimension and comes back geometrically wrong. Multiverse dislocation before Marvel made it fashionable. Everything Everywhere All at Once (2022) – Multiversal fracture of meaning. 21. The White People – Arthur Machen Youth, ritual, secret worlds behind glamour. Machen's fae horror undercuts innocence with something ancient and hungry. K-Pop Demon Hunters (2025) – Pop mythology as open cosmology; spectacle swallowing structure.

Hello beloved EIChilden! This week we're your committed content matriarchs, bringing you a special episode all about mothers, mothering and motherhood.We start the episode discussing a recent essay in The Cut by actor, model and author Emily Ratajkowski where she explores her post-baby/post-divorce sex life. Is her tale of degradation, millennial men and going from dimly lit bar to baby bedtime aspirational or just plain un-relatable?Then we move on to the pressure to subscribe to a particular mum-aesthetic- butter moms, analogue moms, tuscan moms, gentle moms... the list goes on and only gets more exhausting. Is this slop or a way for women to retain identity after giving birth?And finally- could ChatGPT actually be an effective coparent? Female business-owners and AI companies are banking on it, investing big in AI technology that helps mums keep on top of the mental load of parenting. We take a closer and more critical look.Thank you so much for listening! We'll see you as always next Wednesday!O, R, B xOenone's favourite depiction of motherhood is in The Gilmore Girls, Ruchira's a sucker for Everything Everywhere All at Once (2022) and Never Have I Ever and Beth thinks motherhood is best depicted in Lady Bird (2017) and The Babadook (2014).LinksThe Cut - Mother F*cker by Emily Ratajkowski The New York Times - What's Your 'Mom Aesthetic' Wired - Momfluencers Are Pitching AI as a Better ‘Coparent' Than MenDeadline - Emily Ratajkowski, Stephanie Danler & Lena Dunham's Female-Driven A24 Series In Works At AppleTV+ Vogue - Some Sympathy For So-Called “Almond Moms”, Please by Emma SpecterThe Cut - “The Girlbossification of AI”SheKnows - Women Push Back Against Mel Robbins' Advice to Use AI to Help Manage Finances Tracy Beaker Fandom - Cam LawsonPeople - Yolanda Hadid Jokingly Dubs Herself 'Worst Mom Ever' in Response to Critical TikTok Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

On today's podcast, Brian Hatcher and Mandy discuss the rapid digital release of "Supergirl" after a steep 75% second-weekend box office drop, and Brian revisits his mixed feelings about the film, blaming “movie by committee,” multiple cuts, removed material, slow pacing, uneven stakes, and fan-service elements like Lobo that don't serve the story. They also address how online backlash can shape reception before release, citing criticism of Christopher Nolan's Odyssey over casting Lupita Nyong'o as Helen of Troy. The conversation expands to superhero fatigue, Marvel's reliance on escalating spectacle and billion-dollar expectations, and the need for stronger storytelling and smaller-budget projects, praising creative successes like Everything Everywhere All at Once, Vox Machina, X-Men '97, and Godzilla Minus One, plus notable horror projects from YouTube creators. 00:00 Opener 00:30 Supergirl Digital Release 01:37 Review Hesitation 02:49 Movie By Committee 03:17 Lobo Fan Service 04:27 Pacing, Stakes and Plot Holes 07:14 Online Release Fallout 08:33 Odyssey Casting Backlash 10:18 Why Risk Matters 11:53 All Star Cast Tangent 13:32 Ensemble Movies Then Now 15:42 Marvel Fatigue Reality 17:03 Spectacle Versus Story 19:44 Good Geek News 20:25 Low Budget Creativity 21:13 YouTube Horror Breakout 22:05 Studios Must Adapt 24:02 Closing And Sign Off

The logical heir to Everything, Everything Everywhere All at Once. Though not as moving, consistent or imaginative, there's still plenty of grist for sci-fi fans and intermittent spells of brilliance.

Jeff and Phil welcome actor, martial artist, and stuntman Brian Le of MartialClub, whose credits include Everything Everywhere All at Once, Paper Tigers, and this summer's gritty action thriller The Furious. He talks about his humble beginnings from watching kung fu flicks on bootleg VHS, to making YouTube videos with his brother Andy as self-taught action stars; getting to work with some of the world's best film fighters in The Furious -- and the steep learning curve of making action movies in Asia; and channeling his inner baby to play the unstoppable henchman Ho. Also: The Good, The Bad, and The WTF of making The Furious. This episode is sponsored by National Asian American Theatre Company's acclaimed production of HENRY VI: A Trilogy in Two Parts, which brings an all-AANHPI cast to The Public Theater for a decades-spanning saga of Joan of Arc, warring dukes, and the bloody birth of the War of the Roses. Performances from June 9 through July 19. Use code H6BC for $59 tickets!

What does it mean to "see God again" after modernity has taught us to look for the sacred in all the wrong ways? In this special Lectern conversation, John Vervaeke is joined by Guy Sengstock for a deep reflection on John's three-part course trilogy, Seeing God Again for the First Time. John invited Guy to watch the courses and respond not only to their arguments, but to the way the courses enact a philosophical, phenomenological, and spiritual exercise. Guy begins from his own background as co-founder of Circling, describing how relational practice opened a mystery that psychological language could not fully hold, eventually leading him into Heidegger, phenomenology, and philosophy as contemplation. From there, he draws out the personal and pedagogical arc of John's work: teaching as encounter, as vulnerability, and as a way of revealing what students are already confronted with. John describes the course as an attempt to integrate rigorous argument, phenomenological exploration, and spiritual exercise in the spirit of Socrates, Plotinus, and Pierre Hadot. Rather than define religion or God and then argue for or against them, John sets out to deconstruct the modern grammar that blocks our ability to encounter sacredness at all: the fact/value, is/ought, subjective/objective, theory/data, and meaning/measurement dichotomies. The conversation moves through Paul Tillich, William Desmond, Wittgenstein, Heidegger, Catherine Pickstock, Janet Soskice, D.C. Schindler, and 4E cognitive science, showing how analytic philosophy, continental phenomenology, and cognitive science converge in undermining modernity's inherited picture. Guy and John explore sacredness as ultimately real, ultimately orienting, ultimately transformative, and ultimately resonant; naming as relational participation rather than possession; wonder as calling self and world into question; and aletheia as truth that discloses beauty, goodness, and intelligibility. The conversation closes with the contemporary stakes of this recovery: AI, consciousness, personhood, the meaning crisis, and the alignment problem. John argues that we can no longer treat philosophy and sacredness as academic luxuries when our technologies are reshaping cognition, identity, and agency. If we are creating new kinds of intelligence, the question is not merely how to bind them to us, but how to orient them - and ourselves - toward truth, goodness, beauty, intelligibility, and the sacred. Guy Sengstock is a co-founder of Circling and a longtime teacher of relational, dialogical, and contemplative practice. His work bridges phenomenology, philosophy, facilitation, and the lived mystery of interpersonal encounter. Explore courses and other offerings from The Lectern: https://lectern.teachable.com About The Lectern The Lectern is dedicated to wisdom cultivation through dialogue, inquiry, and transformative practices. Through courses, live events, and community conversations, we seek not merely to discuss ideas, but to explore how they can shape the way we live. 00:00 Welcome to The Lectern 01:00 Why Guy is reflecting on Seeing God Again 02:00 Guy introduces his background in Circling and philosophy 04:00 Circling, mystery, and the limits of psychological language 06:00 Heidegger, Being and Time, and philosophy as contemplation 09:00 John's Socratic and Plotinian aspirations 10:30 Argument, phenomenology, and spiritual exercise 12:00 Seeing God Again, pilgrimage, and the Philosophical Silk Road 13:00 John the person, scientist, philosopher, and teacher 15:00 Teaching as existential confrontation 17:00 The manner of teaching as part of the teaching 18:00 Modernity, the meaning crisis, and sacredness 20:00 When teaching became encounter 21:00 Paul Tillich, cognitive science, and teaching virtue 23:00 William Desmond and philosophy as spiritual exercise 25:00 Teaching toward a philosophical-spiritual end 26:00 Involving the whole self without becoming self-involved 29:00 Revealing what students are already confronted with 31:00 Teaching, social phobia, and vulnerability 33:00 The sacred as deep teaching 35:00 Idealization, temptation, and participation 38:00 Naming God and the loss of relational naming 41:00 The four dichotomies of modernity 42:00 Out-rigoring the rigor 44:00 Deconstructing the grammar that blocks sacredness 45:00 Mystical traditions as phenomenological exemplars 47:00 Modernity's vertical and horizontal dichotomies 49:00 Recovering sight beyond modernity's glasses 50:00 Sacredness as ultimately real, orienting, transformative, and resonant 52:00 Why John uses atheist scholarship before apologetics 53:00 Counter-modern thought and the limits of postmodernism 55:00 Why these dichotomies matter beyond academia 57:00 Everything Everywhere All at Once, nihilism, and value 01:01:00 Philosophy outside the ivory tower 01:02:00 Postmodernity and living in the ruins 01:04:00 Recovery and asking "Where are we?" 01:05:00 Wittgenstein, Heidegger, and recovering meaning 01:07:00 Modernity as icon rather than representation 01:08:00 Truth, goodness, beauty, and intelligibility 01:12:00 Wonder vs. curiosity 01:15:00 Aletheia, beauty, liberation, and onto-normativity 01:18:00 Seeing God Again as pilgrimage 01:19:00 Theoria as theory, contemplation, and pilgrimage 01:21:00 AI, analytic philosophy, and consciousness 01:24:00 Meaning, relevance, and the limits of computation 01:26:00 AI personhood and disembodied embodiment 01:30:00 Why philosophy matters for technologies shaping us 01:32:00 AI agents, personhood, and the coming ontological crisis 01:35:00 The meaning crisis and the loss of sacred orientation 01:37:00 Personhood, ontology, and responsibility 01:39:00 The alignment problem and binding intelligence to the sacred 01:40:00 Why the course must be taken as a course 01:41:00 Teacher assistance, Socratic process, and future retreats 01:42:00 Socratic Salon and participatory practice 01:43:00 Closing reflections on retreat and relationship Thank you for listening!

In this episode, Ray Cochrane digs into “algorithmic outing,” new research showing that social feeds can infer your sexual orientation before you have consciously come out. He also covers Meta’s privacy-aware AI infrastructure, Alberta’s 466-million-line code scan with Claude, NVIDIA on reinforcement learning, and the many journeys of learning Rust. Along the way, he hits Google DeepMind’s A24 deal, WhatsApp usernames, and scuba-diving cyborg cockroaches. Finally, he looks up with Webb’s puzzling early universe, NASA’s emergency telescope rescue, and a gorgeous aurora from orbit. – Want to start a podcast? Its easy to get started! Sign-up at Blubrry – Thinking of buying a Starlink? Use my link to support the show. Subscribe to the Newsletter. Email Ray if you want to get in touch! Like and Follow Geek News Central’s Facebook Page. Support my Show Sponsor: Best Godaddy Promo Codes Get 1Password Full Summary Cochrane opens with a quick personal update. He hopes listeners had a good holiday weekend, and he shares that he spent his time working his other job at Oregon’s Finest, chatting with people around Portland. Because his Blurbry workweek tends to be solitary, he refills his social meter on the weekends. He then recalls a Saturday night out with coworkers at the Hungry Tiger before turning to the lead story. Algorithmic Outing: When Your Feed Knows Before You Do Cochrane leads with new research from Australia that identifies a phenomenon called “algorithmic outing.” In short, the recommendation systems behind your social feeds can infer your sexual orientation or gender identity and start serving related content before you have worked it out yourself. Importantly, the study is small and qualitative, built on in-depth interviews with twenty LGBTQ+ adults in the Hunter region of New South Wales and published in the journal Gender, Place and Culture. The mechanism is engagement signals: what you like, who you follow, and how long you linger on a post, a metric the industry calls dwell time. Lead researcher Dr. Justin Ellis of the University of Newcastle notes that several participants said the algorithm “knew” they were queer before they did, an experience that felt validating for some but frightening for others in public settings. For Cochrane, the deeper worry is what else that hidden pattern encodes, from upbringing to mental health, and where that data ultimately gets sold. Sponsor: GoDaddy Economy hosting $6.99/month, WordPress hosting $12.99/month, domains $11.99. Website builder trial available. Use codes at geeknewscentral.com/godaddy to support the show. Meta’s Blueprint for Privacy-Aware AI Infrastructure Next, Cochrane turns to a sharp engineering piece from Meta on privacy-aware infrastructure. The core challenge is that a system must understand what a piece of data actually is before any privacy rule can protect it. A field named “age,” for example, might describe a person in one place and a cache setting in another. Meta’s answer deploys a large language model only on the genuinely ambiguous cases, then distills what it learns into fixed, human-reviewed rules. The payoff is concrete. According to Meta, those deterministic rules already handle about 85 percent of the traffic, and only the last 15 percent falls back to the model, which costs roughly 400 times more compute. Cochrane loves this edge-case approach. However, he contrasts it sharply with the AI-everywhere software he wrestles with at his weekend job, which he says the heavy AI reliance genuinely makes worse and harder to audit. Alberta Scans 466 Million Lines of Code With Claude This one comes from Anthropic, and it ties directly to Meta’s theme. A team inside Alberta’s Ministry of Technology and Innovation used Claude to scan 466 million lines of code in about twenty hours, a review Anthropic estimates would have taken humans roughly six and a half years. Notably, they ran around fifty AI agents in parallel, essentially an automated red team and blue team probing the systems at once. For Cochrane, this is the good version of AI in production: cleaning up and locking down real systems rather than running the show unsupervised. NVIDIA on Reinforcement Learning for AI Agents On the AI-building side, Cochrane walks through an NVIDIA developer piece on reinforcement learning for agents. Reinforcement learning rewards a model for good behavior rather than showing it the right answer, much like training a dog with treats. Additionally, he clears up a common mix-up. NVIDIA treats RAG, retrieval-augmented generation, as a separate tool: reinforcement learning changes how a model behaves, while RAG changes what facts it can reach. GitHub Retires Two Gemini Models Meanwhile, GitHub is retiring Gemini 2.5 Pro and Gemini 3 Flash across all of Copilot on July 31. The migration paths are Gemini 3.1 Pro and Gemini 3.5 Flash. Cochrane flags it as a sign of the times, since tools that felt brand new a couple of years ago are already getting sunset. He also wonders how quickly today’s “AI-optimized” chips will turn over as the models keep changing. The Many Journeys of Learning Rust One for the programmers, and Cochrane makes no secret of loving Rust. The Rust blog’s Vision Doc series explores how people actually learn the language, which is built around memory safety and its strict borrow checker. Honest themes surface throughout, including “clone guilt,” where beginners refuse to copy anything, and “silent attrition,” the learners who quietly bounce off. His take stands: getting your brain onto a memory-safe language rewires how you approach a problem. Google DeepMind Partners With A24 In an interesting collision of worlds, Google DeepMind is teaming up with A24, the studio behind Hereditary and Everything Everywhere All at Once. The two call it a first-of-its-kind research partnership, with DeepMind researchers and A24 building creative tools shaped by the artists who use them. Cochrane adds a detail worth noting: Google also invested in A24, so this is money on the table, not just a research handshake. For now, though, the announcement stays deliberately vague, with no named films or products. Google’s $1 Million Africa Indie Game Fund Another one from Google, and it is good news for developers. Google is launching an indie games fund for sub-Saharan Africa, a region whose gaming scene is growing about as fast as anywhere. The fund puts up $1 million across ten local studios, each receiving between $50,000 and $200,000 plus mentorship and hands-on support. Applications close at noon UTC on July 31. WhatsApp Usernames Are Here to Reserve WhatsApp is finally moving off phone numbers as your identity. With usernames, someone can start a conversation with you without ever seeing your number. Starting this week, you can reserve the name you want ahead of the full launch later this year. To claim yours, head into Settings, then Account, then Username. Intel Sets Its Q2 Earnings Date Cochrane flags a date worth watching for anyone tracking Intel. The company reports second-quarter results on July 23, right after market close, with an earnings call at 2 p.m. Pacific. Given recent US government investment and a shifting chip landscape, he is curious how the domestic chipmaker is holding up. Your Smartwatch Might Spot Illness Before You Do Shifting to health, Engadget reports that the wearables-plus-AI wave is starting to deliver. These devices excel at catching the moment your body drifts off its own baseline, often the first nudge to get checked out. A 2025 study from Texas A&M and Stanford suggests smartwatches can detect early signs of COVID or the flu within hours of infection. Additionally, Apple Watch’s irregular-rhythm alerts have flagged AFib correctly about 84 percent of the time. Working Memory and Consciousness Here is a heady one from Scientific American, written by philosopher Henry Taylor at the University of Birmingham. Working memory is the mental scratchpad holding whatever you are doing right now. Taylor opens with the doorway effect, that blank moment when you enter a room and forget why. Intriguingly, when information leaves working memory, it seems to leave conscious awareness at the same instant, a link drawing fresh attention across psychology, philosophy, and neuroscience. Scuba-Diving Cyborg Cockroaches Now for the wild one. Scientists have built tiny diving suits that let Madagascar hissing cockroaches survive underwater for up to three hours, while an unequipped roach suffocates in minutes. The 3D-printed suit feeds oxygen through tubes into the insect’s breathing holes, called spiracles, using a chemical generator with no electronics. This lab already steered the roaches with electrodes, so the diving suit is the new trick on top. Researchers pitch it for search and rescue, though Cochrane notes the reality of the spy bug has already arrived. Quantum Time Runs Backward at Los Alamos Next, a genuine brain-bender. Physicists at Los Alamos, led by Luis Pedro García-Pintos, found a way to make a quantum system look like it is running backward in time. To be clear, time is not literally reversing. Precise measurements just make the system’s evolution appear to unfold in reverse. The useful part is energy: measurement itself becomes a resource in what they call a continuous measurement engine. Cochrane admits the paper drifted further from his reality the more he read. Tall Trees Shrug Off Drought A new study in Science overturns some textbook wisdom. For years, the assumption held that taller trees suffer more in drought because they must lift water higher. However, researchers studying dipterocarps in Southeast Asia found that trees topping seventy meters slowed their growth by about the same amount as short ones during the 2023-2024 El Niño drought. The trick is plumbing: a seventy-meter tree grows base vessels roughly twice as wide as a ten-meter tree, so the real driver of drought stress is subtler than raw height. The Energy Department Purges Conservation Pages This next one frustrates Cochrane. The US Department of Energy deleted roughly 6,000 web pages about energy conservation, and the timing is brutal during a record heatwave. The move followed backlash over New York Mayor Zohran Mamdani urging residents to ease strain on the grid. Fortunately, the Internet Archive and its Wayback Machine preserved the pages before they vanished. For Cochrane, deleting that kind of public information simply does not make sense. Webb’s Puzzling New Universe Heading to space, Quanta Magazine explores how the James Webb Space Telescope keeps finding early-universe objects that should not exist. Those include black holes that grew enormous too fast and hundreds of mysterious “little red dots” around 650 million years after the Big Bang. As astrophysicist Rachel Somerville of the Flatiron Institute puts it, scientists have “almost gone from having too many early galaxies to having too many theories.” The hard part now is figuring out which theory is right. NASA’s Emergency Telescope Rescue NASA has a rescue mission underway for the Swift Observatory, a 2004 telescope that studies gamma-ray bursts. Recent solar storms puffed up Earth’s atmosphere, and the added drag has dragged Swift’s orbit down to about 224 miles, low enough to risk burning up this year. To intervene, NASA enlisted Katalyst Space Technologies of Flagstaff, Arizona, whose LINK spacecraft launched Friday. The plan is to boost Swift back up to roughly 373 miles. A Gorgeous Aurora From Orbit Finally, Cochrane closes on something beautiful. ESA shared a stunning aurora captured from orbit, a shimmering green band of light rippling over the planet. If you have a few minutes, it is well worth a look. Cochrane wraps with housekeeping and a thank-you to GoDaddy for two decades of support, then signs off, wishing listeners a wonderful evening. The post Algorithmic Outing: When Your Feed Knows Before You Do #1869 appeared first on Geek News Central.

Check out this link to buy DB's Books[link]   PGttCM Season 22.5   The Empty House – Algernon Blackwood Haunted architecture as organism. Blackwood's house breathes dread rather than cartoon malice, but the living-house motif is beautifully weird. Monster House (2006) – Childhood-scale weirdness. The house is alive. Contained, playful dread. The Yellow Sign – Robert W. Chambers Royal decay, masked figures, surreal instability. Oz with the brightness sandblasted off. Return to Oz (1985) – Fairy tale gone feral. Surreal but still mythic in structure. For the Blood Is the Life – F. Marion Crawford Rural vampire lore before the sparkles. Brooding, tragic undead menace. Buffy the Vampire Slayer (1992) – Campy supernatural with clear rules and heroes. Lair of the White Worm – Bram Stoker A beautiful woman animated by something inhuman, romantic obsession, bodily transformation, and grotesque courtship rituals. It's pulpy, melodramatic, and gleefully macabre. Lisa Frankenstein (2024) – Gothic romance and stitched-together identity. The Mummy's Foot – Théophile Gautier Playful Egyptological weirdness, romanticized undead, cultural past intruding into the present. Bubba Ho-Tep – Aging, absurdity, and pulp undead intruding on the mundane. The Facts in the Case of M. Valdemar — Poe Scientific hubris, reshaped bodies, moral ambiguity. Wells leans philosophical rather than romantic, but the ethical unease about making life and remaking identity hums in both works. Poor Things (2023) – Reconstructed identity and moral experimentation. The Willows – Algernon Blackwood Alien presence observing humanity. Nature as a membrane between worlds. The dread is quiet and cosmic Under the Skin (2013) – Alien observation and human estrangement. The Damned Thing – Ambrose Bierce Unseen predation, rural dread, something ancient and animalistic watching from beyond perception. X (2022) – Flesh, mortality, decay, performance. The Jolly Corner – Henry James Meeting the ghost of your unlived life. Urban haunting tied to identity and time. MaXXXine (2024) – Ambition curdling into occult menace. The Horla – Guy de Maupassant A double. Or something that lives alongside you. The terror of self-divis Us (2019) – The self divided. The Repairer of Reputations – Robert W. Chambers Identity manipulation, hidden social orders, creeping paranoia in polite society. The horror is systemic and intimate. Get Out (2017) – Social identity as surgical horror. Old Crompton's Secret” — Harl Vincent, Astounding Stories, February 1930 — A strange old recluse, alchemical obsession, identity/body weirdness, old knowledge pressing into the present. Last Night in Soho (2021) – Time bleed and haunted ambition. The Rat Racket” — David H. Keller, Astounding Stories, April 1930 — The story has racketeers using rat terror as systemic control, and the “Old Man” behind it becomes a nearly mythic hidden ruler. The Testament of Dr. Mabuse (1933) – Conspiracy as metaphysical force. The Man Who Was Dead — Thomas H. Knight, Astounding Stories, April 1930 — A weird resurrection/reincarnation premise that starts in folksy argument and slides into uncanny rule-breaking. Nothing But Trouble (1991) – Bureaucratic nightmare logic. The Man Who Was Thursday – G. K. Chesterton Infiltration, surreal pursuit, shifting identities, bureaucratic nightmare energy. It's metaphysical weirdness dressed as adventure. Monsters (2010) – Borders, otherness, creeping vastness. The Voice in the Night – William Hope Hodgson Sea horror. Isolation. Transformation. Hodgson makes the ocean feel biologically alien. Underwater (2020) – Ancient things below human scale. The Monster Maker” — Ray Bradbury, Planet Stories, Spring 1944 — Fear and perception generate monsters; the real threat is partly an intelligence manipulating what people think they see. The Mothman Prophecies (2002) – Omen, pattern, unseen intelligence. The Raven - Edgar Allen Poe Obsession and mortality tightening inward. The Raven (2012) – Obsession and mortality tightening inward. The Plattner Story – H. G. Wells A man slips into a flipped, alternate dimension and comes back geometrically wrong. Multiverse dislocation before Marvel made it fashionable. Everything Everywhere All at Once (2022) – Multiversal fracture of meaning. The White People – Arthur Machen Youth, ritual, secret worlds behind glamour. Machen's fae horror undercuts innocence with something ancient and hungry. K-Pop Demon Hunters (2025) – Pop mythology as open cosmology; spectacle swallowing structure.

Check out this link to buy DB's Books[link]   PGttCM Season 22.5   The Empty House – Algernon Blackwood Haunted architecture as organism. Blackwood's house breathes dread rather than cartoon malice, but the living-house motif is beautifully weird. Monster House (2006) – Childhood-scale weirdness. The house is alive. Contained, playful dread. The Yellow Sign – Robert W. Chambers Royal decay, masked figures, surreal instability. Oz with the brightness sandblasted off. Return to Oz (1985) – Fairy tale gone feral. Surreal but still mythic in structure. For the Blood Is the Life – F. Marion Crawford Rural vampire lore before the sparkles. Brooding, tragic undead menace. Buffy the Vampire Slayer (1992) – Campy supernatural with clear rules and heroes. Lair of the White Worm – Bram Stoker A beautiful woman animated by something inhuman, romantic obsession, bodily transformation, and grotesque courtship rituals. It's pulpy, melodramatic, and gleefully macabre. Lisa Frankenstein (2024) – Gothic romance and stitched-together identity. The Mummy's Foot – Théophile Gautier Playful Egyptological weirdness, romanticized undead, cultural past intruding into the present. Bubba Ho-Tep – Aging, absurdity, and pulp undead intruding on the mundane. The Facts in the Case of M. Valdemar — Poe Scientific hubris, reshaped bodies, moral ambiguity. Wells leans philosophical rather than romantic, but the ethical unease about making life and remaking identity hums in both works. Poor Things (2023) – Reconstructed identity and moral experimentation. The Willows – Algernon Blackwood Alien presence observing humanity. Nature as a membrane between worlds. The dread is quiet and cosmic Under the Skin (2013) – Alien observation and human estrangement. The Damned Thing – Ambrose Bierce Unseen predation, rural dread, something ancient and animalistic watching from beyond perception. X (2022) – Flesh, mortality, decay, performance. The Jolly Corner – Henry James Meeting the ghost of your unlived life. Urban haunting tied to identity and time. MaXXXine (2024) – Ambition curdling into occult menace. The Horla – Guy de Maupassant A double. Or something that lives alongside you. The terror of self-divis Us (2019) – The self divided. The Repairer of Reputations – Robert W. Chambers Identity manipulation, hidden social orders, creeping paranoia in polite society. The horror is systemic and intimate. Get Out (2017) – Social identity as surgical horror. Old Crompton's Secret” — Harl Vincent, Astounding Stories, February 1930 — A strange old recluse, alchemical obsession, identity/body weirdness, old knowledge pressing into the present. Last Night in Soho (2021) – Time bleed and haunted ambition. The Rat Racket” — David H. Keller, Astounding Stories, April 1930 — The story has racketeers using rat terror as systemic control, and the “Old Man” behind it becomes a nearly mythic hidden ruler. The Testament of Dr. Mabuse (1933) – Conspiracy as metaphysical force. The Man Who Was Dead — Thomas H. Knight, Astounding Stories, April 1930 — A weird resurrection/reincarnation premise that starts in folksy argument and slides into uncanny rule-breaking. Nothing But Trouble (1991) – Bureaucratic nightmare logic. The Man Who Was Thursday – G. K. Chesterton Infiltration, surreal pursuit, shifting identities, bureaucratic nightmare energy. It's metaphysical weirdness dressed as adventure. Monsters (2010) – Borders, otherness, creeping vastness. The Voice in the Night – William Hope Hodgson Sea horror. Isolation. Transformation. Hodgson makes the ocean feel biologically alien. Underwater (2020) – Ancient things below human scale. The Monster Maker” — Ray Bradbury, Planet Stories, Spring 1944 — Fear and perception generate monsters; the real threat is partly an intelligence manipulating what people think they see. The Mothman Prophecies (2002) – Omen, pattern, unseen intelligence. The Raven - Edgar Allen Poe Obsession and mortality tightening inward. The Raven (2012) – Obsession and mortality tightening inward. The Plattner Story – H. G. Wells A man slips into a flipped, alternate dimension and comes back geometrically wrong. Multiverse dislocation before Marvel made it fashionable. Everything Everywhere All at Once (2022) – Multiversal fracture of meaning. The White People – Arthur Machen Youth, ritual, secret worlds behind glamour. Machen's fae horror undercuts innocence with something ancient and hungry. K-Pop Demon Hunters (2025) – Pop mythology as open cosmology; spectacle swallowing structure.

This week, we talk about codes for games, GTA 6 pre-order info, disc vs. digital, cucumbers, Everything Everywhere All at Once, Curse! art exhibit, SUATMM Road Warriorz white gear figure set, the QoftheW, and more!   Salty Merch: https://www.teepublic.com/user/saltylanguagepods Our Patreon: Patreon.com/saltylanguage   Subscribe / rate / review us on Apple Podcasts!   Links: 1. GTA 6 pre-order info https://www.ign.com/articles/grand-theft-auto-6-where-to-buy 2. Mat Maniacz Road Warriorz set https://www.thenerdclosetonline.com/product-page/mat-maniacz-road-warriorz-zet QoftheW: If you could replace the sound of your farts with any sound effect, what are we hearing? Visit us at: saltylanguage.com Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/salty-language/id454587072?mt=2 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3GnINOQglJq1jedh36ZjGC iHeart Radio: http://www.iheart.com/show/263-Salty-Language/ Google Play Music: https://play.google.com/music/listen#/ps/Ixozhhniffkdkgfp33brnqolvte Tony's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@allthebeers Bryan's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@IFinallyPlayed https://www.tiktok.com/@saltylanguage facebook.com/saltylanguage Discord:  https://discord.gg/NEr5Newk @salty_language / saltylanguage@gmail.com http://salty.libsyn.com/webpage  / http://www.youtube.com/user/SaltyLanguagePod Instagram/Threads: SaltyLanguage Reddit: r/saltylanguage Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/salty-language tangentboundnetwork.com Share with your friends!

In the aftermath of so much video game news it's time for us to catch up on stuff we've been doing for the past couple of weeks. Justin's got way too few games and Julian has way too many. Then Julian has way too few movies and Justin has way too many. Balance in all things.00:00 Introduction, corrections from last week's show24:45 An update on Julian's health (feel free to skip to the next timestamp)34:20 Falling off of 007 First Light58:32 House of Ashes, The Adventure of Elliot01:10:07 Marvel Magic: The Gathering, UFC 601:37:50 Legacy of Kain: Ascension, Romeo is a Dead Man01:45:33 VA-11 HALL-A, Hades, Gitaroo Man02:02:53 Forbidden Solitaire02:14:41 Justin's movie round-up (The Smashing Machine, The Bride, Hokum, Masters of the Universe, Over Your Dead Body, Eenie Meanie, Wrecking Crew, Everything Everywhere All at Once)02:59:17 Obsession03:06:59 CQC (Comments, Questions, Concerns)Theme song and interstitial music by Megan McDuffee: https://meganmcduffee.comLogo and artwork by John GholsonAnnouncer: John GholsonJoin our Discord, learn about how you can support the show, and more: https://linktr.ee/TheStageSelectEmail: thestageselectpod@gmail.comCopyright 2024-2026 Space Monkey Mafia Productions

Alonzo Duralde joins the podcast to discuss his upbringing in an immigrant Spanish family in Atlanta, early influences from radio, classical music, and repertory cinema, and how Siskel & Ebert inspired him to pursue criticism. Duralde shares insights from his book Hollywood Pride, covering LGBTQ+ representation and creators from silent film to Everything Everywhere All at Once, plus surprises from his research. They talk Hallmark movies and how Duralde became part of the Deck the Hallmark team, his Christmas movie books, and “music biopic fatigue,” including thoughts on Deliver Me From Nowhere. Duralde reflects on queer identity and the impact of artists like Jimmy Somerville. http://www.patreon.com/LinoleumKnife http://www.patreon.com/bfastallday https://maximumfun.org/podcasts/maximum-film/ In Stores Now: HAVE YOURSELF A MOVIE LITTLE CHRISTMAS, Revised and Updated Second Edition (Bloomsbury) https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/have-yourself-a-movie-little-christmas-9781493087440 In Stores Now: HOLLYWOOD PRIDE (TCM/Running Press) https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/alonso-duralde/hollywood-pride/9780762485895/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Alonso Duralde joins the podcast to discuss his upbringing in an immigrant Spanish family in Atlanta, early influences from radio, classical music, and repertory cinema, and how Siskel & Ebert inspired him to pursue criticism. Duralde shares insights from his book Hollywood Pride, covering LGBTQ+ representation and creators from silent film to Everything Everywhere All at Once, plus surprises from his research. They talk Hallmark movies and how Duralde became part of the Deck the Hallmark team, his Christmas movie books, and “music biopic fatigue,” including thoughts on Deliver Me From Nowhere. Duralde reflects on queer identity and the impact of artists like Jimmy Somerville. http://www.patreon.com/LinoleumKnife http://www.patreon.com/bfastallday https://maximumfun.org/podcasts/maximum-film/ In Stores Now: HAVE YOURSELF A MOVIE LITTLE CHRISTMAS, Revised and Updated Second Edition (Bloomsbury) https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/have-yourself-a-movie-little-christmas-9781493087440 In Stores Now: HOLLYWOOD PRIDE (TCM/Running Press) https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/alonso-duralde/hollywood-pride/9780762485895/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome back! This week the ladies dive into "The Drama", the uncomfortable, anxiety-inducing A24 film starring  Zendaya and Robert Pattinson. What starts as an awkward romantic drama about an engaged couple heading into their wedding week, quickly spirals into something much darker after a “worst thing you've ever done” conversation goes completely off the rails. Emma reveals a disturbing part of her teenage past, and that one confession detonates the relationship, the "friend"group, and the entire wedding weekend. We break down the film's tense atmosphere, uncomfortable chemistry, and the bigger conversations surrounding alienation, radical honesty, identity, and whether people should be permanently defined by their teenage years. We also discuss how the movie intentionally challenges audience expectations by centering a Black woman in a narrative typically associated with a very different demographic, and whether that changes the level of empathy viewers are willing to extend. If you watched this movie and immediately needed to unpack all of that emotional chaos with somebody, this episode is for you. Cheers!

A movie from 2006 looks like it could have come out last year. The cars are the same. The computers are the same. The fashion, the cinematography, the music -- all of it effectively unchanged. Chris and Daniel use The Devil Wears Prada as a lens to ask a question that goes well beyond film: has Western pop culture simply... stopped moving? The conversation covers the film's craft -- Meryl Streep's uncommonly restrained performance, why the movie works better than it has any right to, and why Daniel reads Miranda Priestly not as a villain but as a Whiplash-style manifestation of what the main character actually wants. But the real thesis is bigger: the iPhone, social media, the collapse of risk-taking across studios and streaming, and why neither audiences nor executives are really to blame -- the incentive structure is. Chris and Daniel also get into the sin-eater problem, why indie film has lost its live-wire energy, and what it actually takes to stop doom-scrolling and just make the thing. Links and References What The Devil Wears Prada and Your iPhone Have in Common: Nothing Has Changed in Twenty Years > The Devil Wears Prada (2006, dir. David Frankel) The Devil Wears Prada 2 (2026, dir. David Frankel) Justin Denton, The Curse of the Sin Eater Five Easy Pieces (1970) The Last Detail (1973) Whiplash (2014) Everything Everywhere All at Once (2022) Swiss Army Man (2016) Sinners (2025) Suits (TV series) The Office (TV series) Frasier (TV series) The Big Picture podcast > This episode is sponsored by: Center Grid Virtual Studio Kitbash 3D (Use promocode "CGGarage" for 10% off)  

Big things are on the horizon for Betsy! A book deal, a beach move, a birthday. Tune in to this Q & A to get to know the woman behind The Art of Living Big and The Navigate Method. With lots of laughs and a few tears, this one is a great one to watch or listen to. Check out the video version on YouTube. Transcript:  Welcome to The Art of Living Big, where we explore how to live intentionally and with more joy. I’m Betsy Pake, your host, master, coach, and creator of the Navigate Method. Here to help you listen in to your true desires, elevate your standards, and live life to the fullest. Now, let’s go live big  All right, I’m excited. I’m excited to do this. I’m excited, and Feels very official. actually am, um, nervous, which is weird, ’cause I d- I mean, I’ve had this podcast for how long? Like 10 years. But I’m nervous, because I feel like we’re not… Yeah, we’re not just ask- can’t believe I’m not nervous, but I’m just excited for it. All right, I’m excited too. Okay, so let’s tell everybody who you are that’s listening. So I’m, I’m Joy, and I am Betsy’s ops person, um, her virtual assistant, go-to person hopefully. And, uh, I Yeah. job. It’s been an honor and a privilege to work for someone so innovative and caring and, , I , I can’t say enough good things about Navigate. I’m an No. member myself. I am Yeah. be working for you now years later after I completed the program. But, , I love my job. Yeah. Oh, that makes me happy. And now you can add podcast host Yeah, a resume. I don’t know about that. We’ll see. So this episode is gonna be a little different than typical. My birthday’s next week, which I wanna say, like, I don’t care, whatever, but I do. I think I do kinda care. I think I’ve always tried to not care, but I think it’s kind of fun that my birthday’s next week. , I’ll be 55, and my birthday is on 5/15, and I feel like the numbers are all, like… I feel like it’s kinda magical, and I don’t know why. I’m not, , a numerology buff or anything , but , it just feels like 55 and then this. So I’m excited to kinda do this. And so I thought what we would do is, , we asked on Instagram just for, , questions of what people had. ready. Yeah, and you’ve got them ready. Okay, and then you had some other ones of your s- your own that I don’t necessarily know all of them, , so yeah. So we’ll… we can just dive in and see where the conversation takes us. I know. I’m excited. Okay. So also I wanna say about 5:15, that’s a special number for you, isn’t it? Yeah, well, uh, uh, I think because it’s my birthday, I always am looking for 5:15. Like, I’m always… I think it’s, like, a message from my mom. I do too, because we post your podcast at 5:15. Yeah. Yes, that’s right, yeah. We post it at 5:15 a- on Thursday mornings. Yeah, yeah. That’s, I like it, and I feel like it feels balanced and also, , I know this is a weird thing, but like 5-1-5, it feels balanced, and it feels like the one is, uh… It’s not a hyphen, but a what would go this way? Do you know what I mean? Up and down. So it feels like 5-5, which feels like a mirroring and- Like, , it’s not infinity, it’s not an eight, but it feels like that to me. Like, kind of chaotic, but also measured, you know? So anyway, I love the 515, yeah. Yeah, I, I like numbers too, but I’m a, I’m an even number person. Yeah. pump gas without ending on an even number. It’s so weird. Oh, really? Yeah. I know it’s weird. I love that. It is weird. So But thanks. love that ’cause it’s weird. Are you ready for your first question? Okay. Yeah, I think so. Okay. ., So this is a question that kind of encompasses everything that you do, so it’s a good starting point, I feel like. Okay. you help women decide whether to stay or leave, and you left. , So looking back, was there a single moment that you knew, or was it a slow build that you only saw clearer in the rearview mirror? Oh, okay. That’s a really good question. I’m so scared right now. Okay. So here’s what I think to answer this question. I wanna, like, zoom way, way out, and I’m gonna start with, like I’m gonna s- I’m gonna start, like, when I’m a kid, and you’re gonna be like, “Oh my God. Is she gonna tell her whole life story?” But for those of you that are listening that are fairly new, so I believe that we are always doing things, our actions are coming from a place of trying to keep us safe. Like, emotionally safe or physically safe, right? And so even if we’re doing things sometimes that is clear that that’s not helpful, it’s because our brains think that it’s keeping us safe, and part of the reason it thinks it’s keeping us safe is ’cause we’re alive, and it’s our, our unconscious mind’s prime directive is to keep us alive. So whatever we’re doing is hypothetically working ’cause you’re alive, okay? So when I was in high school, my mom died in a car accident, and pretty soon after that my dad got remarried. Now, he was married to my mom and, , f- by all accounts was happy enough, you know? And then he started dating somebody, I would say within, , eight or nine months of my mom dying, and then they got married very quickly. It wasn’t, , the best relationship. They’re all still alive, so I wanna be careful of how I speak about it. But it wasn’t… I, I, I was se- 17 by the time they got married, and it wasn’t a safe relationship for me, and so I think I did a lot of accommodating to- Feel safe. So I would get in trouble for a lot of things, and I had never been a kid that ever got in trouble. Do you know what I mean? , My, my mother was always so, so kind and , respectful of my sister and I. So that whole relationship, I think, really changed the dynamic of how I experienced relationships. And I think I was pretty, like when we think about attachment theory, like I think I was securely attached and then became anxious after my mom died in that whole experience. Okay. So now, when the question is, like, when you got d- divorced, was it all at once or was it a, a, you know, slow burn? I wanna say… I- I’m gonna tell you my journey of … Joy’s like, “This is a longer answer than I expected.” But the, , the jour- the journey of, of… Let me tell you why I am so chic. Because I have been married several times. And so to answer that question I’m like, “Well, which time?” Okay. When I was in college, I got married right after college, and, I got divorced very quickly. … We didn’t have kids. Like, there was no… And so I know that that was a marriage. We had a wedding. It… But in my brain it doesn’t feel like one. It feels like such a blip, and I was so young, and honestly, I was coming right off the heels of my mom dying, like five years before or something. Do you know what I mean? , It all feels very blurry. And so then years later I met my son’s dad, and that was my second marriage, but felt like my first. It operated like my first. And more importantly, my third marriage operated like my second. I sound very chic, Joy. I’m very chic. Um, so my first marriage, I think I, I, I… What I have found in my relationships in general, marriages or otherwise, is that I have chosen people that I could try and heal that relationship with my dad. Like, I’m gonna tell you something’s wrong, and you’re gonna ignore me and tell me I’m misreading it, which is what happened when I was young. And so I would find people unconsciously that I could play that out because that felt safe, because that was so familiar, right? And so I, I think that I did that with my first marriage, and I was not mature enough to recognize that there was something going on within me. And then I got divorced when my son, m- and I have a trans son, so when my son was four. And then again, you know, replayed stuff. Had some terrible relationships in between all of that. And then married my last, my last and final. I will never get the government involved ever again. So my, my most recent marriage, and that was a marriage that lasted… We were married for 12 years. We were together, like, 15 years. And I think I was playing the same exact thing out, but the difference this time, and what I teach inside the Navigate method, is that we can trust ourselves, right? That we can find the, our side of the street and heal our side of the street. That we can use the relationship as a mirror to figure ourselves out so much deep, much deeper. And so I think I knew almost immediately that my marriage wasn’t good, and for a lot of circumstances, I stayed for a long time. I think I didn’t wanna fail again. I think my , r- you know, relationship with my, then my daughter at that time was complicated, ’cause she was getting sick as a teenager, and there was just a lot of things going on where, , it didn’t… I couldn’t leave. And I say I couldn’t. I had options, but, , I, I didn’t feel like I could leave, and I didn’t want to. I wanted desperately for it to be good. And what I realize now is that going through that whole process and actually using it to heal myself, and now I would say I’m absolutely securely attached, earned secure, because I earned it back. But that relationship, although, , one of the most heinous in my life I think, I’m the most grateful for it. It changed me in such profound ways because I did the work, because I looked at it, because I paid attention and didn’t say, “I’m gonna let…”, I was like, “I’m not letting…” This is, it, to me, and I’m gonna say this too as we continue this conversation, in my relationships, any of them, I’m not the only one in them. And so, you know, if you brought my former husband, any of select one, any of the many former husbands, like they may have a totally different story, and it doesn’t mean they’re wrong. It just means that’s our versions, and there’s a truth in there somewhere in the middle, right? But to me, I’m like, that relationship was so profoundly, , harmful to me that it forced me into change, and for that I am incredibly, incredibly grateful. So to answer the question, it didn’t happen all at once, but the clarity of, oh, I’m healed enough to do this on my own, I get it, sort of unraveled within, , I would say, like, the last six or eight months. If that makes sense. That is a very answer to that question. sense. and you needed the backstory to, to complete that, Yeah. Yeah. that. Yeah, yeah. Okay, Okay. question. Okay. It’s okay, it’s okay. Okay. What’s something that you believed about your own marriage right up until the end that turned out not to be true? Oh, question. God, that’s a good question. Is that one of yours, or is that one that we got in? That’s one that was the myth. What is some… Say it again, something that’s true What is was true. about your own marriage right up until the end that turned out not to be true? That’s… That there was something I could have done to save it. I don’t think there was anything I could have done. I think lots of times we try and make sense of things, and we’re like, “If I could have done this better,” or, “Maybe if I had just learned how to cook dinner better,” or I had… Do you know what I mean? Like, we think of all the things, and now I recognize that what was happening, just like for him, none of what I was doing had to do with him. It was, had to do with this old story. The same thing for him. What he was doing and how he was responding and how he was interacting with me had nothing to do with me, and there was nothing I could have done, and I think that actually brings me a lot of peace. But it, uh, it took me a,, a long while, even after we were divorced, for me to get to that. Yeah. good answer. I think, I think that’s probably a common answer because as women, I think we feel like we maybe could try this, maybe we could try this, Yeah. and, and maybe there’s nothing else and I, yeah, and I think, not to interrupt you, I’m sorry. , That’s why we go to couples counseling, and I don’t have anything against couples counseling. But I think that what happens is we go, and then we talk about problems that have happened, and you’re talking about the problem, but the problem actually isn’t the issue. It’s the reasons that you got to the problem. So if everybody would just go their own way and figure out their own crap, you, y- you wouldn’t have to, like, rehash a situation for two months, you know? Like, I, I could have rehashed so many different situations, and we never, ever, ever… It’s clear we never could have come to a conclusion ’cause it was our own crap we were bringing in. I, I was responding to stuff because of me and who I was, and he was responding s- to stuff because of him. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. It’s okay. It’s okay, Bessie. you’re great. You’re doing really good. I know. I don’t know. Okay, people assume the woman who teaches this work has it all figured out. Mm-hmm. ending are you still making sense of? Oh, I think one of the biggest things, and I think if people follow me for a long time, I think they understand that I often will even say, people, like, “I’m on this path with you. I don’t think we ever have it all figured out.” And I think one of the biggest mistakes I could ever make as a leader or as a coach would be to make people feel like I had it all figured out. ‘Cause I never want anybody to, um, need me forever. Like I always say to my clients, “I want you to want me forever, but I don’t want you to need me. I want you to have your own tools and your own ways of thinking so I, I’ll never have it all figured out, and I think there’s always things to uncover. One of the things that I think I do really well is I will sit and think about stuff, and I won’t… Or I, I say I won’t. It’s not that I never, but I try. I do, not avoid hard thoughts. I make room for hard thoughts. And so as I come up against things I haven’t had, don’t have figured out, there’s always new things to uncover and I will figure them out. If that makes sense. So I know I’m not necessarily answering the question, but it’s just, like I don’t have the, to let, make a list of all the things I don’t have figured out. It’s everything. You know? Like there’s so much, ’cause I am not one that, that pushes the idea that I do. I think that’s– I mean, because we’re always evolving and, and changing and figuring stuff out as we Yeah. And you question, but… yeah, and you know sometimes when I get really overwhelmed, uh, with work, and then I’ll say like, “I’m just gonna go sit,” and you’re always like, you’re good at “What the…” Yeah, and you’re like, “What the hell? What the heck?” I’m like, “I’m just gonna go sit and just be quiet for 15 minutes and see what happens.” normal.” Yeah. “Let me do 800 things that Yeah, you always tell me. Yeah, I love it. Okay, so this is about your birthday. Oh, okay. um, okay. So you’re about to turn 55. Mm-hmm. that you thought you would have figured out by now that you haven’t, have you made peace with that? I think I thought I would- grow up and have, like, a family and, like, the father of the bride house and the white picket fence and a husband that adored me. I’ve never ever, ever, I’ve never ever had anybody in my life that adored me. I think I thought I would, have, uh probably more kids than just one. I think, you know what I mean? I think there was, I, I think there’s so much of my life that isn’t what I thought it was gonna be and I think it’s because what I thought it was gonna be was created before my mom died and when she died it, like, scrambled eggs, you know what I mean? And, and I really like where I ended up right now, you know? So I think it’s not… Martin adores you. Dean Martin does adore me but only See? wants to. He’s ve- he’s al- he’s taught me more about consent. Like, consent is, is a, a subject that comes up sometimes in the Navigate group, right? Like with your husband, like, you know, if he wants sex and I don’t want sex and how, can I say no and all of those things. I swear to God I learned more about consent from my freaking cat. Like, it makes sense. , You have to ask permission to grab at somebody. So yeah. Okay. Um, let’s see. Oh, I love this question. I love this question. , What is a pattern that you see in almost every woman who comes to you that she swears does not apply to her? . I know what it is and I’m just trying to formulate it. Um, I think, well, I think first of all every woman thinks that their husband’s behavior is their fault. Like if they could do something different then things could be different and I think that they take a lot of ownership of his behavior instead of letting him own it and that becomes really heavy. And you think that Yeah, I think- that at the time? Yeah. Yeah. I think they don’t realize it and then I think as we move through the program then they start to recognize it but I don’t think it’s just like if you’re listening and you’re like, “Oh yeah,” I think that’s not a thing you can just hear and go, “Oh okay.” I think you have to, like, internalize it and I think going through the program helps you, like, viscerally understand that and I think that’s like the shift, a big shift that happens for people Mm-hmm. Because, yeah, maintaining somebody else’s life is impossible. Okay, this is another question that pertains to the work you do in Navigate. , So you’ve been clear that you don’t push women towards staying or leaving Mm-hmm. the Navigate program. Um, has that ever cost you a client that you’d wish you’d been more direct with? Like where I wish they had left or I wish they had stayed? I know, I know personally, I can tell you that as a, a former Navigate person, hearing some of the stories, sometimes, you know, part of you, the girlfriend side of you wants to be like, you gotta get out of there.” Yeah. you, you’re very good about not, , Yeah. that on anyone and letting them arrive at those decisions themselves. So I guess, that is the question. — Has it ever cost you a client that you’ve y- you would– were more direct with? yeah. I, I’m gonna say no, and the reason that I’m gonna say no is because it’s not that I think, “Oh, they should leave,” but I left, and then I went back, and then I had to leave again a couple years later, which we can talk about that. But, like, that process was so important for me that I need people to have their own process because that’s the only way we trust ourselves. And part of this program is, is getting women to a place where they know themselves so deeply, and if I’m putting any pressure on any of that, then that whole foundation crumbles. Mm-hmm. is there part of me that’s like, “Give me his phone number”? Yeah, and sometimes I’ll say that. Do you know what I mean? Like, ’cause there is the girlfriend side of you that’s like, “Girl. Oh my God.” But, but also, , the overarching goal and purpose, and I… , and again, I’m gonna go back to, like, when I said I was so grateful for my former husband this last relationship because I feel like this is my purpose. This is why I’m here on this planet, and I never, ever, ever could have got here if I hadn’t had that relationship. Oh my God, I’m so grateful for that relationship. But that’s how come I know not to push anybody anywhere. Mm-hmm. Yeah. good answer. this is kind of a piggyback question,, what is a piece of your own advice that you’ve struggled to take? A piece of my own advice I struggle to take I, I’m gonna say this.  I don’t typically give advice unless I’ve lived it. I think that one of the things that anyone that’s worked with me would say is that I will say, I’ll even say, like, “Hey, I’m open to being wrong. You decide what feels right to you.” And even in my personal relationships, I’ll say, “I’m open to being wrong,” ’cause I’m open to learning. I’m really open to learning and seeing things in a different way. I love when I can see things in a different way., I think in my… If I were to say, is there something that, advice I should take, it’s just that I can’t control everything. Like, I, uh,, you know, we all have that desire to want to have some sense of control of the world and the universe, and you just can’t. You can’t make people do what you wanna, want them to do. You can only invite. You know, the you can’t lead a horse to water. It’s the same with me, I guess.  Like, I can know the things, and there’s gonna be days where I’m, I bypass myself just because I’m human. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Good. Okay, let’s see. Hmm. Okay. You live alone. What does a hard night actually look like for you, and what do you do? A hard night. So, Is there any hard nights alone? yeah, I mean, I think, yeah, I know, right? There’s been some debate on Instagram on any of my posts where I say I’m not lonely. I don’t get lonely. I get bored. I don’t get lonely. And so now I’m gonna say something, and I’m open to being wrong if this w- people were to label this as lonely. But one of the things that I found is that I had limited friendships when I was married, and those friendships- Sort of disintegrated, and I had to create all new friendships. And I think I had hard nights in the beginning in that that was really confusing to me. Nothing happened. I, I still w- I wouldn’t be shocked if somebody reached out to me and said, “Oh my God, I haven’t talked to you in so long. You wanna go get a coffee?” ‘Cause nothing happened, but there was just a shift, and I think there was an energetic shift to me, and that felt confusing because I… Nothing had happened. So, so there were nights, especially in the beginning, I think, where it was more like confusing of like, “How do I make friends? Like, what did I do? Why w- at this, , vulnerable moment did the people that were in my life disappear?” And I think there’s, again, it had nothing to do with me. And so, um, I think the hard nights were just that like, “How do I rebuild my life?” And kind of figuring that out. That makes And then the… And there’s ice cream for nights like that. But I think most of the time, like, I have pretty good nights. , I have my routines, you know? I, I work, and then I make dinner, and then I sit on the couch, and I like to watch YouTube videos. I, I have YouTube, like the subscription, so I don’t have commercials. And I love going down the rabbit hole of documentaries, and I watch all a bunch of stuff about the Gilded Age, and I’m into, like, uh, uh, you know, how they run stuff. Like, I watched this documentary the other day on how they run the Atlanta airport. It’s so fascinating. How they run cruise ships., So I, I’m into stuff, and I’m interested and curious. And then when I get tired, I get in bed, and you know, people have heard me talk about my evening routine with the bed. But like, I get in my BedJet heated up bed and crick it away while I read or watch TV. , .. and I have a lot of friends that I message with. , We use Voxer, and you and I use Voxer. But , we message about stuff all the time. Like, you’re having a glass of wine and you’re like say- You know, like, there’s a lot of interaction that I have with people now that’s friends that live all over., It does take up time and, and space in a good way.. And that is the part that’s like I’m never really lonely, ’cause I have all these structures around me that if I w- want somebody, I could just reach out. But I think in the beginning it was that, like, reorienting and how do I recreate my life. Mm-hmm. Well, I think every woman too that, , is watching will, feel like, you know, when they’re alone or their husband’s out of town, it’s almost like a Yeah, really. Yeah. cool. Yeah, yeah. I got a message from a friend the other day, um, and she reached out to me a couple months ago, and I hadn’t heard from her, like, in years. And I was talking to her, she lives in New York, and I was talking to her a lot on Voxer when we met, and,, she’s a business owner, too, and you know what I mean, we commiserated on all that stuff. Uh, and it was when I was living with my husband. We were married at the time. And anyway, the other day we were messaging and she said, “You know, Betsy, you need to go back and listen to your voice in the messages that you would leave me back in like 2023, 2024,” early 2024. She’s like, “You sound like a completely different person, like it doesn’t even sound like you.” And I was like, “Really? That’s so weird.” And she was like, “Yeah, like you’re… The joy, you’re way more excited, like you sound alive.” And she kept saying, “Go back and listen. Go back and listen.” So I scrolled back and I saw, like the last time we had messaged, like 2023, I think it was, October, and I couldn’t listen. I just was like, “I don’t wanna revisit her.” Like I, I looked at the message for a long time. I could see it, you know? And I just couldn’t hit play. I was like, “I’m just gonna let her rest,” you know? Yeah. It was interesting. Yeah, that’s interesting and, and profound really. It’s Yeah, yeah. like you’ve moved on from that person all the way. Yeah, yeah. And I just didn’t wanna like… It felt like digging up a grave, you know? It felt like, like a, I don’t know, like a betrayal. Like just let her be. So yeah, it was kinda interesting. Okay, this, this one may be a long answer, so Oh. ready? Need opposed to the other ones where I feel like I’ve talked. Okay. Okay. Okay, so, um- Tell us the moment that you realized it was time to leave in your marriage, your Yeah. Um, I think that in my marriage, I was very depleted, and I think I tried really hard. When I look back, and I don’t recognize this as much now, but I remember at the time, and even maybe like a year after I lived in my own apartment, if someone said, “Describe your marriage, give me one word-” It would have been frustrating and, like, frustrating. Like, it was very frustrating. It probably was for him, too. So again, I’m just gonna reiterate that this isn’t anything… This isn’t about him. This is about me. It was very frustrating, and I think that I had a moment when I… I’m gonna say something very strange, I think., I hired somebody to hypnotize me because some of the feedback that I would get online felt really crushing in a weird way, and people would comment on my clothes or my big glasses or whatever, but it felt very deeply injured me. And I was like, “What is that?” Now, if I had been in, , an incredible relationship where I felt, , supported and loved, like, maybe it wouldn’t have, but it did. And it got to the point where I remember one day I was laying on the floor in my home office, and I was like, “I don’t know if I can keep doing this.” Now, I started the Navigate method when I was still married, so that’s something we can talk about. But I, I was laying on the floor, and I was like, “I don’t know if I can do this anymore.” Like, this feels like such important work to me, but I… And was given to me, which we can talk about that. And so, “But I don’t know if I can do it.” And so a friend of mine was like, “You need to hire this guy, Joseph Cloth.” He and I were in a coaching group together, and she was like, “You should hire Joseph.” And I was like, “Oh yeah, I should.” So I reached out. It, it wasn’t cheap. I mean, it was thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars to be hypnotized so that I could get rid of feeling awful when people commented. But we had to get to, like, the root cause, and the root cause was I am bad. Now, if somebody said to me, like, “What do you think is the root cause of your…” I would never, ever, ever had said I am bad. So he had me do this whole exercise. It took me, like, two weeks of, like, crying all night. Like, like I really sat with it. Like, what is this? And I… And, and I think because I’m a coach, I could get to, like, this deep, deep, deep root. And go back to the first story I told you. When, after my mom died and my dad started dating somebody, and when they got married, I would tell him, “This isn’t… This doesn’t feel right. Like, the things that are being said to me feel terrible. I… This isn’t good.” And he would say, “You’re misunderstanding. It- you’re wrong.” You’re misinterpreting that and, you know, stop trying to mess up my life. And I think I internalized that to, like, don’t trust yourself. You can’t rely on your own feelings. They’re not right. And, you know, uh, y- y- you’re bad. And so w- he hypnotized me, and I came out of that hypnosis with clarity, like, “Oh, I’m not bad.” And I… That means that I deserve good things and good people around me that love me. And, uh, and I, and, and it shifted. I n- I, I don’t g- give a rat’s ass about what anybody says online in the weirdest way. In fact, I love it. I’m like, “Well, that making you feel something, and that’s good.” You know? Um, but I think that was a big part in my shift of, like, what is it that I deserve? And that’s something that we work on in the Navigate method. Like, what is it that I deserve? Is it true that this is what I deserve? You know? And, and I’m gonna keep saying this just because I feel like it’s so important, my former husband deserved different than he had with me. It wasn’t the right match. Do y- do you know what I mean? And so, um, when I got that, I think that was a huge piece of my clarity. But again, it’s layers. You know what I mean? Like, you gotta, like, do the work and look at the stuff and, like, unpack it all. That’s good. Yeah. I have not yet been hypnotized. That’s why I wore my non-black glasses today because can’t handle the negativity. I think it’s funny. And then it’s funny ’cause people will be like, “I hate your glasses. I love your glasses.” And then sometimes they’re like, “Why do you dress in such big clothes?” That’s a big one I get. “Why are you dressed in such baggy clothes? You’re so little. Why are you in such big clothes?” I’m like, “‘Cause I don’t want you looking at my body.” how people feel like they can say whatever they wanna say. It’s so terrible. Like, It’s funny ’cause they, I don’t think they’d say it in real life, you know? But- they probably don’t. It’s all Yeah a screen and on a keyboard. Keyboard it, it makes it way more obvious if somebody loves my glasses and says, “Where’d you get those?” And somebody hates them, then it’s not the glasses. It’s the person that’s viewing the glasses. so true. Yes. So I just go, “Oh, whatever. I ain’t bad.” I actually was like, “Let me do these today,” because Yeah. no one will say, “Why sh- why are they both wearing black glasses?” Wait. Hey, I know. Freaking damn big g- black glasses, yeah. That one’s funny okay. Um, okay, so… Oh, okay, so you’ve… This is kind of an all-encompassing. So you’ve built a business, a podcast, a method, a book deal. Yeah. is the thing that you’re quietly most proud of that no one knows about? Um, so I will say, let’s see. And the book, let’s just comment on the book ’cause someone will be like, “She has a book?” Years ago, years and years ago, I wrote a book, but this isn’t the book that we’re talking about now. So we’re in the process of writing a book. I have an agent, and we’re writing a book., And we’ll know more about that around Christmastime, but it’ll be out next year. , So what is the thing that I’m most proud of that nobody knows about? Mm-hmm. I think my ability to be open to new ideas. I got divorced from my second husband, ’cause I’m very chic. Just a reminder, I’m very chic and I’m not afraid of change. , But I got divorced, you know, from my son’s dad, and we remained really good friends. And years and years later, I asked Oliver, I said, “Have you ever heard me say anything bad about Dad?” And he said, “No. Why would you?” And that made me so proud, because he was like, “Why would you say anything bad?” ‘Cause he had never, ever heard me say anything bad. And you know what? I love his dad. I love his dad. His dad is part of him, and I’m really proud of the relationship that we have. Is it perfect? No. Do I wish parts of it were different, especially over the past few years? Yeah, absolutely. But we have really been good partners and good co-parents in the best way that we could, and I think that’s because, uh, of him as well as because I am open and not afraid of being wrong. And when I say wrong, like, I’m not afraid of, of being like, “Okay, maybe that wasn’t right. Maybe I didn’t handle that right. Maybe I c- … I’m open to hearing other people’s experience of me and taking that into account and apologizing where I need to.” So I’ve always been really proud of that. When Oliver was little, we did holidays together with his wife, and then I’ve I mean, his kids have been to my house. Like, we’ve maintained a, a f- really friendly relationship, which I’m always been really grateful for. That’s awesome. Yeah. It’s awesome for Oliver. Yes. uh, something that’s just, uh, you Yeah stress away from the child of any Yeah. whether married or, or, you know, going through a divorce or a separation, just to take that away, that stress away from the, child in that Yeah. is awesome, so… we still have every Friday, every Friday at 3:00 we have a family meeting. Now Oliver is 24, but he’s got some challenges. And so every Friday we meet and talk with him, see how his week has been, where he struggled, where we can support him. And so, you know, that’s always been like a team effort. So I think that that’s like just an important piece of my whole journey, you know? Awesome. Okay, let’s see where we’re at. , Oh, this is probably my favorite question. It’s one of the– my favorite. So I have a,, I have a question that has nothing to do with Navigate Okay. Okay. Okay. that you wish someone would ask that they never ask? , What is something I could go… I should’ve… I, you mentioned this, this question to me earlier and I thought, “Oh, how would I answer that?” And I still don’t know. I wish they would ask that they never ask. it and come back to it? Well, you know, one thing I’ll say is I think, and this goes back to one of the earlier questions, is that I think lots of times people think, and I’m not gonna be answering the question exactly, but a roundabout way. I think lots of times people think, “Well, Betsy’s fine,” because I present as fine. And I think just I’m a human like anybody else, and I think there have been challenges. I know when I moved into my apartment, I had a lot of challenges in my nervous system when I moved and lived alone, not because I didn’t like being alone, but because I was so used to scanning to manage other people’s emotions, that the lack of knowing if I was, I’m gonna use air quotes, “in trouble”. But again, remember like I had this thing from when I was young, it had nothing to do with my husband. So, uh, is that I, I, I didn’t know if I was in trouble ’cause I wasn’t around anybody. And so I… So I think the thing that I wish, not necessarily people would ask me, but I think that people could recognize, was that everything that I share is truly because I have done the work. Like, I have walked through it. Like, I have thought about it deeply, and I think that if, you know, if somebody were to ask me something, I think it would just be like something totally different from anything that we talk about. Do you know what I mean? , Like what do you, why do you love the ocean so much? I, I’m gonna cry. Like, why do you love the ocean so much? Like, I think … Well, that’s weird. That’s gonna make me cry, Joy. We’ll, we’ll cut that out. Um think you should cut it out. By the way, I’m I mean, your audience already knows you’re looking to move to the Yeah. proud of you for making that decision and doing that. It’s so brave of you. And, Yeah. um, you clearly, you clearly love it so much that it’s emotional for you. So I’m Yeah. for you to do that. And I think that, like, for a long time the ocean was, like … When I thought about the beach, and if people have listened to the podcast forever,, That– I, I don’t think I’ve ever seen you tear up, so I, I think Yeah. something you shouldn’t cut out because it’s real Yeah. Yeah. I, I’m so happy for you because, um, like you said the other day, you know, we were talking with, um, a group of women that, that were s- that was saying like, “Uh, just wish I could get on the other side of this. Like, I wish I could take out all of the middle ground, the hard stuff.” Yeah. you said something so profound, which was, you know, that’s going to be the stuff that makes you that next person. That– Going through that is going to yield, you know, the, the person that you’re growing to be. So sometimes you just have to go through those hard things first. It’s like getting forged, you know? It’s like pottery, is like you mold it and then you stick it in the fire, and it’s the fire that makes it so beautiful. And so yeah, I think that trying to cut out the middle or t- not trying to go through the hard stuff, I think, like you don’t have to know what it’s gonna be like to get… Like, how long is it gonna be? How bad is it gonna be? You don’t have to know. All you have to know is today. All you have to know is, like, this moment. Can I handle this moment? Okay, I’m good. I’m good. What about this moment? Okay, I’m good. Like, I think we get so far ahead of ourselves, but it’s such important work to, like, move through. And, you know, I could go into the whole woo-woo, which I love to do, , i- which is like y- you know, you were meant to come here and go through this. You were meant to, like, have this experience. And, you know, I have a belief that… And other people can believe differently, but I think,, if I hadn’t gone through this, like, thing where I, I believe leaving my former husband this last time, becoming the person that I needed to become, and then leaving, was my life’s journey. I know that sounds so weird, but, like, that was a huge part of my life’s journey, and I think, I think, I would have come back in some other reincarnation and had to do it again. And now I get to, like, graduate from it ’cause I freaking went through it, you know? And I was… And we always say in the program, with bravery and integrity. Like, how do we move forward things with bravery and integrity? And I feel like I was able to do that. Did I do everything perfect? No, but I tried really hard to be in integrity with, with… And clear, you know, in, in what I wanted. Yeah. this question. What’s Okay. favorite movie? Okay, so my favorite movie ever, when you first w- asked me this question, like when you mentioned it yesterday, I think, um, I al- I loved Elizabethtown years ago. I have ADHD. it. Yeah, it’s really good. But, but I have, like, ADHD, so, like, I don’t remem- if you told me to tell you what Elizabethtown was about, I wouldn’t be able to tell you. I, I’ll leave a m- a movie and I’ll be like, “That was so good.” And then outside the theater someone could be like, “Tell me about it,” and I’ll be like, “I don’t know, but I was entertained.” You know? So, uh, so but I will say my favorite movie ever, and I could tell you all about it, is Everything Everywhere All at Once. And when I… I’ve seen this movie like three different times. Every time I’ve seen it I wanted so badly to talk to somebody about it, like, in depth. Like, everybody in my life, I was like, “You know, you need to see that movie. Can we talk about it?” But it is a movie about the, like, the unis- universe, like collective consciousness, basically. And you get to see every piece of your life all at once as if you had made every decision differently than you did, and you, in the end, still recognize that this life matters, that this, where you ended up, was exactly right. Even with all the other metaverses in the world that could’ve happened, where you are is exactly right. And there’s also a greater story about a mother and a daughter, and it’s about her having, the mother having to see the daughter in every other universe to see all the sides of her before she could really love her in this one. And I just think it’s so profound. It’s such a good, it’s such a good movie. And, like, it’s the kind of movie you watch it once and you’re like, “What the fuck just happened to me?” And then you gotta watch it again and, like, every time I’m on a airplane I’m like, “Oh, let me see if they have it on there.” It’s so good. You know what else was a really good movie? And I’ve watched it twice, and the second time it didn’t hit the same time as the first time. But it was called, um, Nine Days, I think it was called. And it was about these souls that are auditioning to get to have a life, and they want it so bad. Oh. Oh, wow. and it’s, it makes you go, “Oh my God, I’m so lucky to be here.” Like, I’m, this is so fucking cool that I get to be here. And hard stuff. They want hard stuff. Like, they don’t just want fun, great stuff. Like, they want the hard stuff, too. Like, it is the range of emotion that is, like, the biggest gift that we have, and I think we- Try and stay so far away from anything that feels, like, uncomfortable or bad, but it’s part of the gift, ’cause when you do that, then, m- you know, like I cry thinking about going to the beach. Like, I can’t even say it because I g- had the fucking bad, and now I get to have the good, and I can’t even stand it, I’m so excited. It’s happy tears. But I think we move away from hard, and, and I see this in the program too, and I get it. Of like, I don’t wanna go through this, it’s gonna be hard. And I say like, “Let it be. What’s gonna happen on the other end?” Like, what if it ends up great? Like, I have this sign in my bathroom, and it’s in my bathroom only because, um, I see it every day, but sometimes on the internet people are like, “Why is that in your bathroom?” But it says, um, what if it’s great? What if it’s great? Like, we are really good at catastrophizing, being like, “This is terrible. My kids are gonna suffer.” Like, well, what if it’s great? What if your kids get to see you do something totally different? What if they get to see a whole new side of you? What if they get to experience you in real love or their dad having real lo- like, what if it’s great? I just, I, like, let’s spend as much time there, you know? Yep. 100%. Yeah. Yeah. So I just realized by your movies that I, um, may need to try some different movies out, ’cause I was thinking about Steel Magnolias, Parenthood, and yeah. Yeah, totally. You need to watch Everything Everywhere All at Once. Yeah. think, well, I’ve r- Is that a book? ‘Cause I think I might have read the book. Oh, I know. yeah. But it’s a movie, like Jamie Lee Curtis is in it, and it’s really good. Yeah, watch that for I sure. Yeah. Okay. Well, we’re, we’re getting to the bottom of these questions. You’ve done a great job. Uh, let’s Okay. I have one. Um, so are you open to dating? Oh, no. Why? I know, that was so fast, wasn’t it? Okay, so let’s tell the story about, like, the… Okay, so I wanna say this. I feel whole and complete, and I would w- and I, I’m gonna make sure I’m not telling myself a lie. I feel whole and complete. I don’t feel like I’m missing anybody. The idea of having somebody and finally having someone in my life that actually likes me, like, I don’t feel like I don’t, I don’t feel like I have been in relationships in the past where people even liked me. So, the idea of having somebody like me, that actually would feel really good to have somebody like me. , I think I have had to fight my own ageism and really look at that from my own perspective. When I look outside of myself, I see women in their 50s and 60s that are beautiful, and I think absolutely they deserve love. And then when I look at myself, I immediately go, “She’s too old. I’m too old. Nobody’s gonna wanna date me at 55.” Like, I’m, I have gray hair. I… Do you know what I mean? Like, I do the, a little of that. So with that said, it would have to be a… I am s- I have such a filter now. , I s- smell, like, red flags. , It would have to really be someone that’s really spectacular. If you ever hear, if anybody listening ever hears of me dating, just know that they are, like, the freaking bomb. And I have joked that I would only date somebody if they had a yacht, which was very safe here in Atlanta ’cause nobody has a yacht. But now I’m going to the beach, so I feel like my v- my v- Venn diagram of overlap could be different. So with that said, I think that, yeah, I think it would have to be somebody great. There was one day that Joy and I were talking and w- I was like, “We’re gonna… I’m gonna get on a dating app.” And I had applied for, um, Raya, which is like which is, , for celebrities basically. But I was like, “I have enough followers. I think I could get into Raya.” But I didn’t. I- they put me on a wait list. And so then I was like, “Well, it could be my age. It could also be my content.” Do you know what I mean? Like, my content is gonna fil- filter out a, a lot of guys that wouldn’t be the right match, and so I feel grateful for that. So what did I get on? , I don’t– Was it? Hinge. It I got on Hinge. Oh, okay. Yeah. I lasted 24 hours, Mm-hmm. I asked for my money back and got it. It was a I got… 24 It was a whirlwind 24 hours. I was just disgusted by every freaking question. I, the… Men tried to introduce intimacy so quickly, and I am, like, I have a super filter for that. , Oh my God, was that funny or what? oh my God. hours, but it was s- I mean, I, I’m, I don’t mean to say it was funny, but It was funny, yeah. Betsy called me, she’s like, “I’m out, I’m off of it.” Yeah. joined it.” It was like, I joined it that night, and I was like, I think I had a glass of wine, and I was like, “I’m gonna do it.” And then by the next morning, I was like, “Screw this.” And somebody asked me out, and I said yes, and I liked that they were decisive. They were like, “Meet me here.” And then when I said, “I can’t do that on a Friday at lunch. , I run a company. Like, I don’t know what you think I’m doing.” And they wanted me to drive 40 minutes to meet them for lunch at like a cafeteria. And, and, and they were like, “I don’t know. The app says it’s 20.” And so I was like, “Oh, are you calling me a freaking liar? Are you try-,” like, I… And I got in the shower, and I was angry because some man was telling me what to do or telling me who I was, and I was like, “Oh, I’m not… This isn’t for me., I’m just not there yet.” And I, I don’t, I don’t know that there’s more evolving that I have to do, but I definitely think I need to, um, I wanna say like relax a little bit, but also, no. , I sensed that as like a… There was a rhetorical pattern there, right? Of like, “You don’t know what you’re saying. I know the truth, and you can- you’re gonna do what I say,” even though he didn’t say it in that way. That’s the… , and he gave this emoji of the what? I don’t know. You know, like, huh? my God, wow. And so I just was like, “I’m not doing that. I’m not… I am not ever playing that out with somebody else,” of like, “You know better than me.” I know m- the most about my life than anybody else. Like, I know me, and, and I know that’s too far for me to drive because I do important things too, buddy. But I was so… I, I mean, you can even hear it in my voice now. , I just… So no, I’m not dating ’cause I don’t want to. like a quick answer, a quick Yeah. tell you that’s probably the right answer. I was on a podcast recently, an, an interview. It’s not live yet. But she asked me like what d- what’s dating like, and I was like, I, I, I was almost confused by the question ’cause I was like, well, I… And I was like, I, I, I don’t know. I, yeah, I j- I was like, “I don’t know.” Like, I don’t know. I don’t know. Ask somebody else, not me. I have an a- amazing life, and to fit somebody else into that life… And you know, I’m moving to the beach, and I’m going down next weekend to look for my apartment, and I decided I’m gonna rent for a little while till I figure it out. The people who have come out of the woodwork to be kind to me, to… And, and actually, when people are listening to this, I’m probably on a airplane. So have come out of the woodwork to be kind to me, to offer to bring me out. You know, my birthday, I’m gonna be there on my birthday. There’s people bringing me out on my birthday that I don’t know, that know me from the internet, you know? Um, it- that ha- offered to help me find pla- that videotaped, like- These, this is one place you’d might really like at the beach. And, , took so much time to help me. I- it was a lesson in, like, you deserve to have people be kind to you. It’s okay to let people help you. , It was a moment, you know, where I was like, “Okay, this is a lesson in, , let people love you,” you know? And so maybe I’ll get there, and this is, like, the first piece, you know? That’s awesome. I’m excited for you. And, too. you I’m excited for you to come down and visit. least expect it. I’m talking about if there’s Yeah. a, you know, Yeah. partner in your future, it will yeah. least And like, it, I think. yeah. And like I’m, I’m g- I think I, I am a great partner. Like, I think I’m a really good partner, so I just gotta find the really good partner to partner with that. , I’m not afraid to have hard conversations. I listen. I’m a- available for new ideas. I like to try new things., I will do the things you’re into, but, like, I need the reciprocal, you know? So I will wait until I find that. Also, the yacht. Awesome. Yes. Got that. Well, we’ve gone through, um, a lot of these. Yeah. And we’ve been talking for an hour, which we could talk for two hours. It’s fine. But, I know. yeah. Are we done with all the questions? There’s one more, , it’s if the podcast ended tomorrow and you never coached another woman, would you feel like you did what you came here to do? Oh, you know what’s so weird is even when you said that, I was like, “No.” Like, I, like this is such, like, my purpose. I don’t know that I’ll ever not do it. Do you know, like, sometimes I think about retiring. My sister just retired, and I’m like, “I can’t imagine not doing this.” , It’s just so much of how I think and who I am. , Okay, so wait, what’s the question? If I ever don’t do it, then If, is. To do? I came here to do. Yeah. Years ago, I had this mentor when I lived out in the suburbs, and I had this mentor in my life who, you know, would give all these examples of things he had done or worked with people on or… You know, when we were working together, he would say, like, “I had this client once who…” And I remember saying to him, like, “You’ve, uh, I can’t imagine, like, having such a big impact on everybody. , you’ve had such a big impact.” And he said, “Yeah, if I died tomorrow, I know I would have given more than I took, and that feels good to me.” I, I think that only recently, like maybe in the last year, have I started to recognize Mostly because women on the internet are so incredibly kind to me. But only recently have I started to realize how much of an impact even just the podcast has made, or those videos that I do on Instagram. A- and I wanna mention something about that. But those videos, I think, , people are so kind to tell me how much that impacted them and changed their life, and changed how they thought about themselves. And so I think I could safely say that I’ve given more than I’ve taken, and, and I don’t know that it needs to be that way. I don’t need to give more than I get. That, I’m open to that being more of both. D- does that make sense? , Mm-hmm. like, I, I am open to receiving, and I think maybe for a long time I wasn’t. We talked about this in the group the other day of like, how open are you to receive, and to receive help, and to receive? And I think that I was closed for a long time ’cause I had to be so hyper independent. But anyway, so I would say yes, I, I think I’ve done what I came here to do, and I wanna keep doing it ’cause I think there’s more. Yeah. That’s a great ending. I think you are a phenomenal asset to women. I think that watching and working with you and watching you do what you do Yeah. it’s amazing. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. I’m grateful to do it, and I’m grateful that you were able to help me today with all these questions. Yeah, we Thanks, Joy. Our first it. official podcast. May th- may there be more. Thanks so much, Joy. You’re welcome. Have a great day. Thanks for joining me on The Art of Living Big. I hope today’s episode sparked something within you, maybe pushed you to dream a little bit bigger and live a little larger. Don’t forget to subscribe. Leave us a review and share this podcast with someone you know who might need a little inspiration today. You can find me over on Instagram at Betsy Pake and on my YouTube channel. Remember, the world is vast. Your potential is endless, and your life, it’s yours to shape. Until next time, keep reaching, keep exploring, and keep living big.

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This week, Oscar-winning actress Jamie Lee Curtis comes on IMO to talk about her anti-Hollywood Hollywood upbringing, what she thought of her role in Everything Everywhere All at Once, and her real thoughts on awards season. Plus, she shares a profound personal update.Have a question you want answered? Write to us at imopod.com.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Welcome to Multiverse News, Your source for Information about all your favorite fictional universesSuper TrailerWarner Bros. released the first full trailer for Supergirl, giving us our best look at Milly Alcock's hard-partying Kara Zor-El as she embarks on an interstellar revenge mission to save her poisoned dog Krypto after villainous Krem leaves him only three days to live. The June 26 release directed by Craig Gillespie adapts Tom King's Woman of Tomorrow comic, featuring Jason Momoa's Lobo as an unlikely ally and Eve Ridley as young Ruthye Marye Knoll, whose parents were murdered by Krem. With James Gunn's punk rock aesthetic and emotional animal stakes reminiscent of Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 all over, did this trailer deliver the goods in terms of hyping us up, up and away?Trailer Who LivedHBO unveiled the first trailer for its Harry Potter series last Wednesday, revealing an earlier-than-expected Christmas Day 2026 premiere for the eight-episode first season officially titled Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. Showrunner Francesca Gardiner and director Mark Mylod lead the ambitious seven-season adaptation with each season dedicated to one book, reportedly costing around $100 million per episode, making it potentially the most expensive television production of all time. With the trailer becoming the most-viewed in HBO Max history at 277 million views in 48 hours, can this decade-long reboot justify its lofty budget and overcome the controversy surrounding the franchise's creator?Galactically Good Box OfficeRyan Gosling's Project Hail Mary crossed $300M globally to become the highest-grossing film of 2026 so far, but its reign might be short-lived as The Super Mario Galaxy Movie is projected to dominate Easter weekend with $175M-$180M domestically over five days and $350M globally. Tracking is running slightly ahead of 2023's The Super Mario Bros. Movie, which opened to $204.6M domestically and $377M worldwide before finishing with $1.36B. The $110M sequel reunites Chris Pratt, Anya Taylor-Joy, Charlie Day, and Jack Black while adding Donald Glover as Yoshi and Glen Powell as Star Fox in a recently announced surprise crossover cameo.With first reviews seeming to echo the first film's middling critical reception, will its box office performance be as out of this world as expected?Lightning RoundThis morning Amazon MGM released the official trailer for Masters of the Universe, slated for theaters June 5. Stephen Colbert revealed he's co-writing The Lord of the Rings: Shadow of the Past with his son Peter McGee and franchise veteran Philippa Boyens, adapting six early chapters from The Fellowship of the Ring that were omitted from Peter Jackson's 2001 filmHimesh Patel has been cast in writer-director Ryan Coogler‘s revival of the X-Files and will star opposite the previously cast Danielle Deadwyler. Ryan Gosling is set to star in Universal Pictures' untitled event film directed by The Daniels, the Oscar-winning duo behind Everything Everywhere All at Once. At this time, all major plot details are being kept under wraps. Sonya Walger has been cast as Freya in Prime Video‘s God of War series. Filmmaker Tim Miller has tapped actor Stefan Kapicic to join the cast of his upcoming sci-fi movie starring Keanu Reeves. This reteams Miller who directed Deadpool and Kapicic who played Colossus. Filming has been halted on Amazon MGM Studios' Tomb Raider series due to an injury suffered by series star Sophie Turner. Filming is expected to resume in about two weeks. A24 has released the official trailer for The Backrooms, an upcoming sci-fi horror film starring Renate Reinsve and Chiwetel Ejiofor, marking first-time feature director Kane Parsons' expansion of his viral YouTube found-footage universe. The screenplay, written by Will Soodik, is based on the online urban legend that originally inspired Parsons' series.

In this episode, No Film School host GG Hawkins speaks with director Charlie Tyrell and editors Davis Coombe and Daysha Broadway about The AI Doc: Or How I Became an Apocaloptimist. The conversation explores how the team shaped an essay-driven documentary around AI, parenting, authorship, and uncertainty, while also breaking down the collaborative editorial process, the ethics of making a film in real time about a rapidly changing subject, and the analog craft choices that gave the project its tactile visual identity. In this episode, No Film School's GG Hawkins and guests discuss... How The AI Doc: Or How I Became an Apocaloptimist uses a filmmaker's journey into impending parenthood as a narrative device for exploring AI anxiety and optimism Why the team chose an essay-documentary structure while still grounding the film in Daniel Roher's on-camera perspective The challenges of shaping a documentary whose subject kept changing during production as AI news evolved in real time How Charlie Tyrell, Davis Coombe, and Daysha Broadway each found their way into filmmaking and documentary storytelling The creative and ethical complications of having a co-director also function as a subject within the film How the filmmakers balanced accessibility, complexity, and emotional honesty while making a movie about a massive technological shift The editorial collaboration behind the film, including remote workflows, shared creative decision-making, and leaving ego at the door Why the team intentionally avoided using AI in the film's creative workflow How Premiere Pro Productions, transcription tools, Blender, After Effects, Dragonframe, stop-motion builds, and practical effects supported the film's handmade aesthetic Where the guests currently land on the spectrum between AI optimism and AI anxiety as working filmmakers and editors Why the guests believe the biggest question is not just what AI can do, but how people choose to use it Memorable Quotes: “It actively wrestles with it in real time, both thematically and in the way that it was made.” “Everyone kind of just left their ego at the door and showed up to do the work.” “Filmmaking only brings suffering.” “I don't feel like AI is the big bad. To me, the people are the big bad.” Guests: Charlie Tyrell Davis Coombe Daysha Broadway Resources: The AI Doc: Or How I Became an Apocaloptimist Synopsis: From the Academy Award-winning filmmakers behind Everything Everywhere All at Once and Navalny, a father-to-be tries to figure out what is happening with all this AI insanity. The AI Doc: Or How I Became an Apocaloptimist is a hand-made, eye-opening documentary about the most powerful technology humanity has ever created and what's at stake if we get it wrong. For resources and ways to join the apocaloptimist community, visit theaidocgetinvolved.com Find No Film School everywhere: On the Web: No Film School Facebook: No Film School on Facebook Twitter: No Film School on Twitter YouTube: No Film School on YouTube Instagram: No Film School on Instagram

"The AI Doc: Or How I Became An Apocaloptimist" is a 2026 American documentary film directed by Daniel Roher and Charlie Tyrell. It is produced by the Academy Award-winning teams behind "Everything Everywhere All at Once" (Daniel Kwan and Jonathan Wang) and "Navalny" (Shane Boris and Diane Becker). The film premiered at the 2026 Sundance Film Festival and received positive reviews for the questions it asked (and answered) about the threat or uses for good in the world about AI, Roher's personal journey of becoming a father while developing the documentary, its editing, and handcrafted animation and artwork made by humans. Roher was kind enough to be our first fully produced in-studio interview and spent a good forty minutes talking with us about his work and experience making the film, which you can listen to below. Please be sure to check out the film, which is opening in theaters on March 27th from Focus Features. Thank you, and enjoy! Check out more on NextBestPicture.com Please subscribe on... Apple Podcasts - https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/negs-best-film-podcast/id1087678387?mt=2 Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/7IMIzpYehTqeUa1d9EC4jT YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWA7KiotcWmHiYYy6wJqwOw And be sure to help support us on Patreon for as little as $1 a month at https://www.patreon.com/NextBestPicture and listen to this podcast ad-free Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Henry becomes an iconic movie star with Noah Baumbach's Jay Kelly then ties up loose ends in Apple TV's Wolfs plus he also discusses The Accountant 2, Magazine Dreams, Everything Everywhere All at Once, Dead Man's Wire, and 127 Hours.0:00 - Intro1:27 - Review: Jay Kelly7:40 - Review: Wolfs11:58 - Picks of the Week: The Accountant 2, Magazine Dreams, Everything Everywhere All at Once, Dead Man's Wire, and 127 Hours16:51- OutroFollow Film Buds:LinktreeFaceBookTwitter / XInstagramYouTubeWebsiteFollow Henry & Elle on Letterboxd:Henry's ProfileElle's ProfileBuy Our Premium Podcasts:BandcampSponsors / Inquiries:FilmBudsPodcast@gmail.com

367 Everything Everywhere All at Once with Doug EamesSteven is joined by actor, Doug Eames, to talk about Everything Everywhere All at Once! Go to episode 155 to learn more about Mr. Eames.Please send feedback to DieCastMoviePodcast@gmail.com or leave us a message on our Facebook page.Thanks for listening!!

South by Southwest is celebrating its 40th anniversary, and it looks different than it ever has. Greg Rosenbaum, the festival's head of programming, joins me to talk about the creative reset forced by the demolition of the Austin Convention Center, the new neighborhood clubhouse model that's embedding communities throughout the city, and what it actually means to run all of SXSW simultaneously for the first time. Plus, the story of how the Daniels went from screening music videos at SXSW in 2012 to sweeping the Oscars with Everything Everywhere All at Once, and what that journey says about what the festival has always been trying to do. Newsweek will be at SXSW this year, covering it all. In fact, I'll be on stage with Jamie Lee Curtis on March 14 for what is sure to be a conversation worth the trip alone. Also, Newsweek's Editor-In-Chief Jennifer Cunningham will be there on March 16 for the panel on the future of news. If you see us there, make sure to say hi. And make sure you watch this space and subscribe to my newsletter for all the latest. Subscribe to my newsletter: https://for-the-culture.beehiiv.com Follow me: https://linktr.ee/halanscott See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

공 하나에서부터 퍼져 나가는 믿을 수 없이 판타스틱한 이야기. Everything Everywhere All at Once 이후의 최고 수확... 꿀잼.---✍️ 녹취록: https://aimdreaming.imaginariumkim.com/through-the-arc-of-the-rainforest-공-마술적-사실주의-박진감-플롯-테크노-everythi/☕️ 한아임한테 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠커피 사주기⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://buymeacoffee.com/ithaka⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

We use the phrase “action star” to describe the massive talent at the center of this episode, but Michelle Yeoh has demonstrated over the course of her remarkable career that she's so much more than that.In fact, her career as a performer didn't start with scripts or stunts. She was more focused on pirouettes and pliés as a classically trained ballet dancer, getting all the way to London's Royal Academy of Dance before a spinal injury set her on a path to the big screen (but not before becoming a literal beauty queen).Dori and Kpolly get into Yeoh's off-screen activities — even touching on her humanitarian work and activism — as they give her the star treatment for this episode. It's a well-deserved spotlight considering everything Yeoh has accomplished across her 40-year career, from performing her own stunts despite zero marital-arts training to winning Best Actress for Everything Everywhere All at Once at the 2023 Academy Awards.That's just one of the Yeoh-centric movies you can check out at the Oriental Theatre throughout March as Milwaukee Film presents its irresistibly titled “Just Say Yeoh” series. You'll hear our dynamic duo discuss all four movies in the series, a handful of her other memorable roles and the other releases you should catch at the Oriental this week.#####Cinebuds is sponsored by Joe Wilde Garage Door Company.

What would happen if the Christian movie industry tried to make its own Everything Everywhere All at Once? Brother, you don't have to imagine! We discuss Angel Studios' THE SHIFT (2023), starring our favourite actor, Neal McDonough. PLUS: We check Keir Starmer's pulse after last week's UK by-election, and assess the looming Warner/Paramount merger. Join us on Patreon for an extra episode every week - https://www.patreon.com/michaelandus "The Ground Game is Back" by Grace Blakeley - https://substack.com/home/post/p-189343412 "Starmer is Driving Labour to Disaster" by Jon Trickett - https://tribunemag.co.uk/2026/02/starmer-is-driving-labour-to-disaster

We're re-releasing this amazing film to celebrate both Michelle Yeoh's recent Lifetime Achievement Award and the Lunar New Year. Listen in as hosts Daron Jenkins and Chris Saunders dive into the film and soundtrack of "Everything Everywhere All at Once".This episode was originally published on February 21, 2024.Follow The Tracklist on Instagram⁠ ➡︎⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@tracklistshow⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow Chris Saunders on Instagram⁠ ➡︎⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@chrissaunders_music⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow Daron Jenkins on Instagram ➡︎⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@thedaronjenkins⁠⁠⁠⁠

Why are we still waiting for a green light from people who do not understand our craft? This reality is at the heart of our conversation with Andy Cochrane, a creative who has spent twenty years navigating the collapsing bridges of the entertainment industry. Andy takes us through the trenches of his career, from the grueling 70-hour weeks as a runner on CSI: Miami to the high-stakes visual effects world of Asylum and Terminator Salvation. We discuss the hard realization that being a "button pusher" in a massive pipeline is no longer a safe bet, and why the most vital work is now happening in the "weird stuff" between traditional film and immersive technology. The future of storytelling belongs to the tactical generalists who are willing to build their own labs rather than wait for a studio to discover them. We look at how Markiplier bypassed the traditional, expensive studio marketing machine by leveraging his own fanbase to bring Iron Lung to life, and why artist-driven projects like Everything Everywhere All at Once have become the new blueprint for success. Andy breaks down his current mission in Santa Monica, where he is bypassing traditional distribution models to create "Loud Movies," an open-source medium that prioritizes human experience over corporate commodification. It is a deep dive into why the most important tool in your kit isn't a new piece of software, but the willingness to keep moving while the building collapses around you. The CG Pro Show > Andy Cochrane on LinkedIn > Andy Cochrane on IMDB > Mark Duplass: The Cavalry is not Coming >    This episode is sponsored by: Center Grid Virtual Studio Kitbash 3D (Use promocode "cggarage" for 10% off)  

Jamie Lee Curtis says she still has no idea what was happening in Everything Everywhere All at Once, Al Roker just celebrated 30 years on The Today Show and we find out the Soup of the Day!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Last week Lucasfilm announced that Kathleen Kennedy is stepping down from her role as studio president, a position she has held since Disney's 2012 acquisition. Succeeding her are George Lucas' protégé and Ahsoka creator Dave Filoni, who will oversee the franchise's creative direction as co-president alongside former Lucasfilm General Manager Lynwen Brennan handling the business side of things. Kennedy still has an active hand as an executive producer of both Star War's next theatrical offerings: May's The Mandalorian & Grogu as well as 2027's Starfighter and will continue to produce other projects independently. Kennedy's tenure saw its fair share of highs and lows, especially contending with an often fickle fandom, but with multibillion dollar films under her belt her exit marks the end of an era.It was a surprisingly noteworthy MLK weekend box office– outside of Avatar: Fire & Ash's continuing reign, Marty Supreme became A24's top-performing film of all time with 80 million dollars domestically, surpassing Everything Everywhere All at Once, while Zootopia 2 became the highest-grossing animated film of all time globally with over 1.7 billion dollars, passing Inside Out 2. Meanwhile, Nia DaCosta's 28 Years Later: The Bone Temple opened below expectations with just 15 million dollars over the four-day weekend, falling well short of the 30-million-dollar debut of its predecessor and behind tracking projections of 20 million dollars. Despite the horror sequel's muted debut, it's been an unusually robust box office this January.Netflix has revised its $83 billion dollar deal for Warner Bros. Discovery to an all-cash transaction valued at $27.75 dollars per share, simplifying the structure to provide greater certainty of value for shareholders and accelerate the path to a shareholder vote by April. The amended deal, unanimously approved by both boards, maintains the same per-share valuation while WBD stockholders will still receive additional value from shares of Discovery Global following its spinoff, with Netflix financing the deal through cash on hand, credit facilities and committed financing. This update comes on the heels of Netflix co-CEO Ted Sarandos' renewed promise to keep WB studio films in theaters for at least 45 days before hitting streaming.Prime Video has released a first look photo of Sophie Turner as Lara Croft in the upcoming Tomb Raider series, which has begun production.Hans Zimmer, who has scored more than 500 movies and TV projects, will officially score the upcoming Harry Potter series for HBO Max in partnership with Bleeding Fingers Music, a composer collective that he co-founded.Sons of Anarchy star Ryan Hurst has been cast as main character Kratos in Amazon's upcoming God of War series, which is currently confirmed for two seasons and has begun pre-production. Teresa Palmer was also cast last week and will play Sif, Thor's wife and the goddess of family.Cate Blanchett has signed a deal to reprise her role as Viking warrior Valka in Universal Pictures' live-action How to Train Your Dragon 2.Warner Bros. has set Jorge R. Gutiérrez to direct an animated feature centering on the classic Looney Tunes character Speedy Gonzales, The Hollywood Reporter has exclusively learned.

What film studio consistently sparks the interest of the average moviegoer? There's really only one answer: A24.The studio behind Best Picture winners Moonlight and Everything Everywhere All at Once. But how did a small independent film distributor become one of the most profitable and iconic studios in Hollywood?The answer lies in creative risk-taking, viral marketing, and a whole lot of vibes. Join Pat and Mark, as we explore how A24 has captured the cinema zeitgeist.

Jamie Lee Curtis is an Academy Award and Emmy winning actress, author, and producer best known for Everything Everywhere All at Once, the Halloween franchise and her acclaimed guest role in The Bear. Curtis sits down with Willie Geist to discuss her late career hot streak, embracing aging and authenticity, and her role as Aunt Helen in James L. Brooks's new film Ella McCay. Plus, she reflects on the woman who first saw her potential, the hustle behind building her Comet Pictures production company, and why she believes the most important moments in life hinge on a few unexpected seconds. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The cynics strike back! Guest Alice Moody joins the gang for the ritual slaughter of a sacred cow, the Widely awarded, critically lauded and enormously popular Everything Everywhere All at Once. Along the way we try and examine what what made this movie so popular, and what puts us in the small minority of people who dislike (or even hate) it - ranging from the writing and production, to it's absurdist and 'metamodern' philosophical underpinnings, and the 'whimsical, sincere' sensibility that seems to rub us the wrong way.  Alice's piece, 'Contrarianism Isn't Real'.   An extra special thanks to our $10 Executive Producers: JetChiclete, Isaac, squishward, Walt Lewellyn of The Black Casebook, Tropical Doves, Lohik, bernventers, and Owen2.  If you can, please lend some support to these organizations: Gaza Funds PCRF (Palestinian Children's Relief Fund) MAP (Medical Aid for Palestinians) National Networks of Abortion Funds If you enjoy the show please consider: Subscribing to our Patreon, where you can enjoy exclusive subscriber only episodes. Joining our Discord. Checking out our Credits page where you can view a complete list of Patrons. Leaving a rating and review on your podcast provider of choice.  Production by Miguel Tahni. Art by Zoe Woolley and Jo Hermeer. Follow @MarvelousDeath for updates.   

This week, Seth and Josh welcome a guest you won't be able to stop smiling along with…Ke Huy Quan! Ke talks all about his incredible journey escaping Vietnam to the U.S., growing up with a lot of siblings, the personal impact his movies like 'Indiana Jones' and 'Everything Everywhere All at Once' have had on him, visiting family in Houston, his short-lived restaurant gig, his visit to the Grand Canyon, and so much more! Plus, Ke talks about his upcoming film Zootopia 2, releasing November 26, 2025! Support our sponsors: TovalaFor a limited time, save up to $300 on the Tovala smart oven when you order meals 6+ times, by visiting Tovala.com/TRIPS and using code TRIPS.Tropical Smoothie CafeTropic Fan Fest is back on at Tropical Smoothie Cafe®! Which means: FREE smoothies**! A free smoothie** every. single. day – for a whole week,Nov 3 - 9 2025 with bowl or food purchase. Joining Tropic Rewards®. Just download the app, sign up and start sippin'! **Terms and conditions apply.HuelToday, get Huel for FIFTEEN PERCENT OFF with this exclusive offer for New Customers only with code trips at https://huel.com/trips (Minimum $75 purchase). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, we continue our exploration of the 25 best films of the 21st century (so far). We take a look at the current #5 on the list: Everything Everywhere All at Once. We are putting this list together based on the rankings of our Patrons. You can check out the list, compile your own, and help influence the top 25 over at Doofmovies.com! Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/doofmedia Follow us on Twitter: @doofmedia See all of our podcasts and more at doofmedia.com!

Kristina and Anna unpack the Hungry Shapeshifter archetype, mapped to Enneagram 7, the Father Wound (self-worth, identity, power), and the Throat Center in Human Design. They explore how attention, identity shapeshifting, and voice become coping strategies, how this arc differs from the Vain Controller (3) and Eternal Child (4), and how it transforms into the Fabricator (Hero) and ultimately The Present (Legend). Pop-culture touchstones include Everything Everywhere All at Once and I Heart Huckabees, plus a lively “Am I the A**hole?” case that spotlights performative empathy and attention-seeking.Quick guide to this arcVillain (Primary): Hungry ShapeshifterCore hunger is attention and specialness. Masters of adopting identities and stories to secure validation.Pinnacle Villain: The ThiefSteals attention, time, and identity, often unconsciously.Successful Antagonist: The PersecutorUses pressure, performance, and voice to dominate the narrative.Wounded Child: The DefensiveHighly reactive when the crafted identity is questioned.Covert Form: The EntertainerIrresistible at parties, self-deprecating, will “do anything” for a good story.Hero: The FabricatorStops using force, integrates formerly rejected identities, chooses non-violence and nuance.Legend: The PresentStillness and presence replace performance. Time “slows” through grounded attention.How it differs from nearby arcsVersus Vain Controller (3): The 3 works to accrue status and resources. The 7 curates identities and stories for attention and specialness.Versus Eternal Child (4): The 4 escapes into inner worlds for meaning. The 7 samples identities and external experiences for validation.Clinical and energetic notesWound: Father wound, with emphasis on identity and powerCenter: Throat (voice, expression)Pattern often seen: ADHD tendencies, diffused focus and persona-switchingPath of healing: Focus, presence, integrity in speech, letting attention be earned by reality rather than performancePop-culture anchorsLoki as the archetypal shapeshifterEvelyn in Everything Everywhere All at Once: early ravenous sampling of parallel selves, later pivot to Waymond's gentler strategyJude Law's character in I Heart Huckabees: recycled stories for validation, performative charmTimestamps00:00–03:10 Hello and warm-up, quick recap of arcs 1–603:10–05:25 Introducing the Hungry Shapeshifter, Father Wound, Throat Center, Enneagram 705:25–07:30 Specialness and attention as fuel, the cost of consuming others' identities06:20–07:45 I Heart Huckabees example, story-stealing for validation07:45–10:30 The Thief, unconscious attention-taking, “stealing time,” personal anecdote10:30–12:15 Wounded Child: defensiveness when identity is challenged12:15–13:15 Diagnostic shortcut: when someone feels like a 3 and a 4, look at 713:15–14:10 Covert form: the Entertainer at parties14:10–16:20 Actors and open throats, personal resonance and life phases16:20–17:25 Multiple active villains over a lifetime, complexity beyond a single arc17:25–19:10 Hero: the Fabricator, Waymond's non-violence and relational repair19:10–19:55 Legend: The Present, stillness, “the generous present moment”19:55–21:56 AITA reading: “I am an empath,” or attention-seeking22:00–23:26 Real-life example of making another's crisis about oneself23:26–24:06 ADHD, focus, presence as medicine, closePractice promptsVoice audit: Where do I speak to be seen, rather than to be trueStory integrity: Which stories do I retell for attention, and are they mine to tellFocus training: One commitment, one audience, one promise at a timePresence reps: Two minutes of quiet before speaking in a charged momentEpisode glossaryFather Wound: Distortions around self-worth, identity, powerThroat Center: Expression, timing, and the compulsion to speak for attentionFabricator: Hero form that fabricates reality through choiceful, ethical creation, not performanceThe Present: Legend form, a clear, still field where attention is no longer chasedMentioned worksEverything Everywhere All at OnceI Heart HuckabeesCall to actionCurious which Inner Villain patterns lead in your lifeTake the Inner Villain Quiz: [add your quiz link here]CreditsHosts: Kristina Wiltsee, AnnaProduction: Inner Villain WorksNote: Contains light spoilers for Everything Everywhere All at Once.*Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

In this episode of the No Film School Podcast, GG Hawkins sits down with Oscar-winning editor Paul Rogers, best known for his work on Everything Everywhere All at Once. Paul opens up about his journey from Alabama to Hollywood, founding the post-production company Parallax, and how personal experiences—like fatherhood and burnout—reshaped his approach to creativity and work. The conversation dives deep into balancing artistic passion with sustainable working habits, challenging the toxic grind culture in filmmaking, and embracing a more holistic view of success in the industry. In this episode, No Film School's GG Hawkins, Jason Hellerman, and guest Paul Rogers discuss... The origins of Paul's career and his path to editing How Parallax was founded and its evolving mission The “one for me, one for them” model—redefining it for sustainability How COVID redefined Paul's understanding of work-life balance Setting boundaries in the film industry and learning to say no The creative benefits of rest and “collecting experiences” How fame after winning an Oscar impacted his workflow Memorable Quotes: "Surviving wasn't thriving... and I really wanted to thrive." "You can get to flow state through burnout, or through joy. Joy is just harder." "You're going to start regurgitating the same ideas creatively over and over again." "Have life outside of filmmaking… be collectors, not recyclers.” Guests: Paul Rogers Resources: Parallax Everything Everywhere All at Once BLKNWS: Terms and Conditions (upcoming) Find No Film School everywhere: On the Web: No Film School Facebook: No Film School on Facebook Twitter: No Film School on Twitter YouTube: No Film School on YouTube Instagram: No Film School on Instagram

HDTGM all-star Nicole Byer (Best Friends, Nailed It!) joins Paul, June, and Jason to break down the 1994 Sly Stallone & Sharon Stone thriller The Specialist, a movie that argues bombs are more precise weapons than guns. LIVE from Largo in LA, they discuss James Woods savoring every second on screen, Rod Steigers' bonkers Cuban accent, and the hotel shower sex scene that reminded Nicole of the hot dog hands in Everything Everywhere All at Once. Bye bye! (Originally Released 04/06/2023) • Go to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, FAQs, and more• Have a Last Looks correction or omission? Call 619-PAULASK to leave us a voicemail!• Submit your Last Looks theme song to us here• Join the HDTGM conversation on Discord: discord.gg/hdtgm• Buy merch at howdidthisgetmade.dashery.com/• Order Paul's book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of Trauma• Shop our new hat collection at podswag.com• Paul's Discord: discord.gg/paulscheer• Paul's YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheer• Follow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer• Subscribe to Enter The Dark Web w/ Paul & Rob Huebel: youtube.com/@enterthedarkweb• Listen to Unspooled with Paul & Amy Nicholson: unspooledpodcast.com• Listen to The Deep Dive with June & Jessica St. Clair: thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcast• Instagram: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & @junediane• Twitter: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & msjunediane • Jason is not on social media• Episode transcripts available at how-did-this-get-made.simplecast.com/episodesGet access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm

Love DOES hurt. For instance, we love and only want the best for Everything Everywhere All at Once comeback king Ke Huy Quan, but then we have to witness him struggle through a movie like Love Hurts. Fortunately he comes off all right. The movie itself? Not so much. But hey, looks like he's got Zootopia 2 and a movie from the guy who made Rare Exports coming up. Maybe those will be good!Wikipedia page for Love HurtsRecommended in this episode:Dan: Summer of 69 (2025)Stu: The Order (2024)Elliott: Pee-wee as Himself (2025)

Happy Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month, Richies! In light of AAPI Month, we have a story about someone who has given “comeback” a whole new meaning. After fleeing North Vietnam as a child with his family, Ke Huy Quan turns to acting and is immediately cast in “Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom” and then “The Goonies.” He seems to be on a rocket to stardom. But then, in an industry that's unfair to non-white actors, the acting roles dry up and he can't find work. So he pivots and turns to stunt coordinating. But 30 years later, just when he thinks he'll never act again, he's cast in “Everything Everywhere All at Once” and everything changes. Again. He wins an Oscar. And 50-year-old Ke is a star all over again.You can follow Brooke and Aricia on socials at @brookesiffrinn and @ariciaskidmorewilliamss. And check out the brand new Even the Rich merch store at www.eventherich.com.Be the first to know about Wondery's newest podcasts, curated recommendations, and more! Sign up now at https://wondery.fm/wonderynewsletterListen to Even The Rich on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts. Experience all episodes ad-free and be the first to binge the newest season. Unlock exclusive early access by joining Wondery+ in the Wondery App or on Apple Podcasts. Start your free trial today by visiting wondery.com/links/even-the-rich/ now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.