Podcast appearances and mentions of pat garrity

Today's show opens with Sean Stires interviewing Notre Dame men's and women's basketball general manager Pat Garrity. After that, Trevor Trowbridge joins Sean to talk Notre Dame football by discussing comments from Irish head coach Marcus Freeman. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today's show opens with Sean Stires interviewing Notre Dame men's and women's basketball general manager Pat Garrity. After that, Trevor Trowbridge joins Sean to talk Notre Dame football by discussing comments from Irish head coach Marcus Freeman. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today's Rapid Fire topics include: The College Football Playoff will go to straight seeding this season. We discuss what it means for Notre Dame, we hear and react to comments from new Notre Dame men's and women's basketball general manager Pat Garrity as well as Irish basketball coaches Micah Shrewsberry and Niele Ivey after Garrity's introductory press conference, Irish great Jerome Bettis is going into the Cotton Bowl Hall of Fame and we share our thoughts on "The Bus", thoughts on Wednesday's dramatic Pacers playoff win over the Knicks and Tyrese Haliburton's choke gesture. Shop for Irish Breakdown gear at our online store: https://ibstore.irishbreakdown.com/ Join the Irish Breakdown premium message board: https://boards.irishbreakdown.com Stay locked into Irish Breakdown for all the latest news and analysis about Notre Dame: https://www.irishbreakdown.com​ Subscribe to the Irish Breakdown podcast on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/irish-breakdown/id1485286986 Like and follow Irish Breakdown on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/irishbreakdown Sign up for the FREE Irish Breakdown daily newsletter: https://www.subscribepage.com/irish-breakdown-newsletter

Notre Dame Football Talk. InsideNDSports.com's Eric Hansen joined Darin to discuss the changes in seeding for the College Football Playoff and the hiring of Pat Garrity at Notre Dame basketball GM. Plus what a comeback by the Pacers!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Notre Dame Football Talk. InsideNDSports.com's Eric Hansen joined Darin to discuss the changes in seeding for the College Football Playoff and the hiring of Pat Garrity at Notre Dame basketball GM. Plus what a comeback by the Pacers!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today's Rapid Fire topics include: Thoughts on Notre Dame naming alum Pat Garrity the general manager of the men's and women's basketball teams, the future of the ND-USC football rivalry is in doubt and USC reportedly wants to move the game to the front of the season and possibly play some of the future games at neutral sites, does the possibility of the College Football Playoff expanding to 16 teams mean Notre Dame could be forced to join a conference, thoughts on the possibility that the CFP and NFL could go to a straight seeding format, and the NFL is moving toward allowing players to play flag football in the Olympics. Shop for Irish Breakdown gear at our online store: https://ibstore.irishbreakdown.com/ Join the Irish Breakdown premium message board: https://boards.irishbreakdown.com Stay locked into Irish Breakdown for all the latest news and analysis about Notre Dame: https://www.irishbreakdown.com​ Subscribe to the Irish Breakdown podcast on iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/irish-breakdown/id1485286986 Like and follow Irish Breakdown on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/irishbreakdown Sign up for the FREE Irish Breakdown daily newsletter: https://www.subscribepage.com/irish-breakdown-newsletter

Former Magic man and current NBA analyst for Stadium Pat Garrity joins the Squad to discuss his playing time in Orlando, the scoring surge in the NBA, the proper application of analytics and which current NBA superstar he thinks Paolo Banchero compares to. Lock in!

Piney speaks with former NBA player and now analyst Pat Garrity about the hype around seven-foot-five Frenchman Victor Wembanyama. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The guys are joined by Pat Garrity, NBA front office analyst for Stadium, to talk about the Hornets drafting of Brandon Miller, the value of Miles Bridges and other big questions that still loom around the team this offseason.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Mac and Bone close out a Monday show by recapping what happened with Charlotte FC and the Nashville race, talking with Pat Garrity about what the Hornets need to do the rest of this offseason and wrapping up the show.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Pat Garrity joins Ken & Shaun to share his experiences as a former NBA 1st round pick & former assistant GM, as well as his thoughts on tonight's draft. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The final hour of The FAN Morning Show kicks off with Pat Garrity, former NBA forward and current Stadium front office analyst, stopping by to discuss Thursday night's NBA Draft, Victor Wembanyama's unique skill set, potential fits for the Raptors at No. 13, where Canadian Leonard Miller fits in this year's draft class, the Suns' acquisition of Bradley Beal, potential suitors for Fred VanVleet, and the Raptors reaching a major inflection point. Later, Ailish and Justin are joined by Rod Barajas, former MLB catcher and current Miami Marlins Field Coordinator, to chat about Miami's emergence this season, his experience playing for the Blue Jays, what it was like catching Roy Halladay, and Luis Arraez's quest to maintain a .400 batting average (25:30). Ailish and Justin close out the show by assembling our daily Wake and Rake parlay (41:40).  The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

In the final hour, Mike Mulligan and David Haugh were joined by former NBA player and current Stadium analyst Pat Garrity to preview the Heat-Nuggets matchup in the NBA Finals. Later, Mully and Haugh reacted to Bears offensive lineman Cody Whitehair's recent comments about shifting back to center.

Mike Mulligan and David Haugh were joined by former NBA player and current Stadium analyst Pat Garrity to preview the Heat-Nuggets matchup in the NBA Finals.

In this best of Doug Gottlieb examines how the size and mobility of the NFL QB has changed while wondering how Bryce Young will do in the the league. Pat Garrity joins the show to talk about the upcoming NBA playoffs. Doug explains why this season is an important one for QB Kyler Murray and more.   #douggottliebshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Former NBAer and Stadium NBA analyst Pat Garrity joins the guys on Overdrive to chat about the Raptors season so far and what has gone wrong, why he thinks their defense is key and they need to be way better at that end of the floor, health of Zion Williamson, if load management is hurting the league, KD;'s addition to the Suns, how he thinks they can fix the game and more!

While you were sleeping, the NBA took over Twitter timelines with Jakob Poeltl being dealt to the Raptors and Kevin Durant being sent to the Suns in a blockbuster deal. JD welcomes Sportsnet's Michael Grange to discuss the price the Raptors paid for Poeltl and what else the Raptors are looking to accomplish before the 3pm trade deadline. Stadium Front Office insider and former NBA executive Pat Garrity assesses the trades made so far, notably Durant and the Lakers-Timberwolves-Jazz three-team deal, and reflects on what it's like to deal with the Raptors & Masai Ujiri in trade negotiations.   The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates. 

NBA Front Office Analyst for Stadium and Former Orlando Magic PF and NBA Front Office executive Pat Garrity joins First Up to look back on LeBron James setting the all-time scoring mark last night. Garrity shares his thoughts on why it was evident from a young age that LeBron was going to be a special player, why he believes the Raptors are heading towards a re-tool as we approach the NBA trade deadline, why he disagrees with Kyrie Irving's recent comments regarding being mistreated in Brooklyn, and more.

On the latest Smith & Jones, Eric Smith and Paul Jones are joined by former Raptor great and 14-year NBA vet Amir Johnson! They talk about his legacy in Toronto, what he is doing now in Las Vegas with his foundation, and Amir's passion for coaching. Eric and Paul are then joined by 10-year NBA vet and former Pistons assistant GM Pat Garrity to go around the league as teams prepare for the trade deadline. Finally. former Raptors shooting guard and Charlotte Hornets analyst Dell Curry joins the show to talk about how the game has changed since he played, and what he sees in this Hornets team this year - Is LaMelo Ball the real deal?The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not necessarily reflect the position of Rogers Sports & Media or any affiliates.

With Doug and Jason filling in for Dan, they discuss a recent report how the Pac-12 and ACC almost had a deal in place to compete with the SEC and Big Ten in revenue and relevance, and passed on it.  Former NBA Player and team executive Pat Garrity joins Doug and Jason to give his perspective on what happened with Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving and the Nets. Doug and Jason discuss the odd friendship between Durant and Irving.  #JSS   #DougGottliebShow See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

With Doug and Jason filling in for Dan, they discuss a recent report how the Pac-12 and ACC almost had a deal in place to compete with the SEC and Big Ten in revenue and relevance, and passed on it.  Former NBA Player and team executive Pat Garrity joins Doug and Jason to give his perspective on what happened with Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving and the Nets. Doug and Jason discuss the odd friendship between Durant and Irving.  #JSS   #DougGottliebShow See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

With Doug and Jason filling in for Dan, they discuss a recent report how the Pac-12 and ACC almost had a deal in place to compete with the SEC and Big Ten in revenue and relevance, and passed on it.  Former NBA Player and team executive Pat Garrity joins Doug and Jason to give his perspective on what happened with Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving and the Nets. Doug and Jason discuss the odd friendship between Durant and Irving.  #JSS   #DougGottliebShow See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Former NBA player and Stadium NBA analyst Pat Gairtty joins First Up to discuss where will Kyrie play next season, players use the media as leverage, Banchero's chances at going first overall after odds shifted in his favour, Chet Holmgren's potential and more!

In the third hour of the show Aaron Korolnek and Carlo Colaiacovo are joined by former NBA player and front office executive Pat Garrity to chat about the NBA playoffs. We are also joined by TSN Hockey analyst Frank Corrado to chat about the Stanley Cup playoffs

Former NBA player and front office executive Pat Garrity joins First Up to chat about the Warriors making the NBA Finals again, if the Warriors can have a second dynasty, can the Heat force a game 7, why the low scoring Eastern Conference finals games and more!

HOUR 4: Pat Garrity of Stadium chimes in on the NBA Playoffs. Is it time to reshuffle the Jazz roster? Plus, a Target Demo Friday & your Epic Fail.

HOUR 4: Pat Garrity of Stadium boards the Mothership. Should DA take a Kemba victory lap?  Plus, a Target Demo Friday & your Epic Fail.

In the final hour of the show Aaron Korolnek and Carlo Colaiacovo are joined by TSN NHL insider Pierre LeBrun to chat about the NHL's surge in COVID cases. We are also joined by former NBA player Pat Garrity to chat about Steph Curry breaking Ray Allen's all time 3 pointers record and to talk about the Raptors

Pistons Assistant GM Pat Garrity & Basketball Hall of Famer Pat Garrity talks NBA Finals / The crew tastes bizarre Pringles. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Perspectives Podcast Lisa Forrest - Your Show Notes[00:00:00] Hey everyone. Welcome to this epiSo,de of perspectives. I am going to be your host today. I am Sharon Remy PearSo,n and today we're going to be chatting with ex former Olympian, Lisa Forrest. Who's written a wonderful book called Glide I hope you've had a chance to read it. So, you may remember the Moscow Olympics in 1980 were ground to a hold or had So, much controversy, , because it was the Olympics that the politicians wanted to boycott.And Lisa swam at the Moscow Olympics and subsequent to that in the Commonwealth games here in Brisbane in Australia, she became a household name because of that shoe in not, she was 14 years old when she did her first Commonwealth games, what a remarkable human being. She was captain of the Moscow Olympic team, a small band ofathletes that went in the face of death threats, controversy, news [00:01:00] headlines going either way, slamming them or supporting and celebrating them. Her family was receiving death threats during this time. And after that, as I mentioned in, I think it was 1982, she swam and won gold two gold medals in the Brisbane Commonwealth games with the home crowd, just going crazy for her after her retirement, from swimming at the ripe old age of, I think, 19, she went on and had an amazing career as a journalist.She was on the midday show. I think it was with Ray Martin set afternoon football. She had her own shows. She went on to a show called everybody on the ABC TV and So,me other shows as well. She alSo, trained as an actor in New York, but all the way through this, there was another narrative going on. So, the external looks amazing and shiny and filled with success and applause and gold medals.And under the water, there was So, much more going on. I mean that metaphorically within Lisa and So, in Lisa's book glide she talks about the challenges she was facing [00:02:00] going on within her, within facing her emotions. , What it meant to be mentally tough as a 14 or a 16 year old, not wanting to feel that tough.She talks in glide about how to be mindful and filled with compassion. When it seems everything around you, all the stimuli coming your way is telling you to be any other way. And now she works as a mindfulness coach and a mindfulness trainer teaching the principles of compassion and mindfulness. As she describes, it's two wings of this beautiful bird and how to navigate life in a way other than being a perfectionist, other than being tough, other than never facing her vulnerability.And seeing as weakness, she paints a very different landscape about how we can be and how we can navigate the beauty and the joy of life. And her message is very inspiring. I must say reading the book, there were times I was thinking when, when this hero being Lisa find within her, that it was always within her and I won't give you the [00:03:00] punchline, but the epiSo,des worth hearing about how she transformed her internal dialogue, her internal narrative, So, that she felt as beautiful on the inside as her life looked on the outside.And here she is Lisa forest. So, where are you? Are you in Sydney? Yes, I'm in Sydney. Yeah. And we live in the inner city and Redfin. So,. We've been here for oh, more than 20 years. So, you could buy a place under half a million in Redfern. We did back then notI grew up in the Northern beaches in Sydney, but my mom grew up in the inner city. So, my Nana was living here all her life. So, we were, we went between the two all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Fantastic, great stories from Sydney. I felt, I don't know Sydney really, except as a tourist. So, you introduced Sydney and there was a lot of, a lot more heart to it.The way you wrote about it than I've imagined it to be, which was beautiful. I really enjoyed that. Thank you. You mean in terms of the eDee Whyladies growing up [00:04:00] by the beach? Yeah, I was very lucky. I mean, it is a charmed, you know, way to grow up and I was just lucky, like dad was the Bondai lifesaver. And then, then at a certain point he decided that he'd rather rather board ride, , or ride a board.And So,, yeah, he, they had a place at Newport. , before, long before I was born and back then there was no sewage or anything. It was just a holiday place. So, mumand dad would drive the caravan up there for this block of land. And then once I decided to get married and have kids, they moved So,rt of back towards  where there was a school and a bus route and, you know, all that So,rt of stuff feel.In So,me ways you, you, your parents were sung heroes in your book, but I think even more So, they were an unsung hero. A theme in the book was their heroism in how they were just So,, self-sacrificing and placing you center in your dream center to their world. So, I thought that was. Beautiful the way they've done that.And my hat goes off to them. That kind of parenting. It's [00:05:00] interesting, isn't it? Because we talk about helicopter parenting now, and yet they were, you know, when you use the word self-sacrificing they just cause certainly for dad. , I think we were his world. Like my, my dad was a shy kind of, you know, he was really happy in his own world.He's a surfer, he was a swimmer. He didn't really need a lot and loved where I grew up and obviously loved mom. And then we came along and he was, he worked on building sites and we just were, you know, we were his world and we still aren't really like, you know, he will say if I go to visit him and be like, you know, see you next week and he'll say, can't come So,on, enough love at the same time, they weren't helicopter parents.And it's just more, if I was interested in swimming, which, you know, I showed an interest from that first day down at the DUI ladies, then, you know, he'd helped me do it. And likewise. , you know, if, if I wanted to, whatever it was in terms of, , training, he would get me there. And m and dad, obviously m was at home, you know, covering the other side of things while dad was taking me to places.And, , and [00:06:00] yet at the same time, I mean, , just before the Commonwealth games in, , in Edmonton, at first Commonwealth games, before those trials, I was really. Like exhausted this one particular night, we were training very hard. We, we trained back then in the way that no athlete would train now. But, , but I said to him, I got out of the pool and I was in tears.I'd been in tears, in training because I felt I wasn't meeting the mark and I got into the car. I said, I'm retired. It's not worth it. This, this is no fun. And he dropped me off at home. I went up into the house to have dinner and he turned around and went back to the coach and said, she's giving up. There was no trying to talk me into it.It was just okay. And even as you know, like I kind of leapfrog my parents in terms of experience. Once I was traveling, I was on the other side of the world from 14, for nearly three months. And they were back here all the time. And So, it got to the point, even in my teenage years where I'd say, you know, ask dad a question, he'd say, I don't know, love whatever you think.You know, he wasn't, he just was, he was like, I don't know. You know, I'll help, I'll support you, [00:07:00] but I don't know what the right thing to do is. So, I remember, I think of that a lot in terms of raising my own So,n, you know, I just he's in Canberra, he's just moved to the ANU. And, , I certainly miss my parents a lot.So, I said to him, we'll come down. As often as you need us, there'll be a point where you don't need us. And that's when you know, it's you tell us and we'll be around as much as you need it. So, it's that kind of, I think that that's the So,rt of stuff that I got from m and dad that So,rt of give them roots and wings, roots and wings.That's what we've got to give to them. So,me wings. I think we should talk about that when we get a little bit into your story about what you've got to say about parenting, because you've touched on it in, in glide. And I really enjoyed that. There was a little pieces of narrative. I thought you want to go further there.That's the next book? Well, it's funny. Cause I've told a lot. I mean, now I'm the, I'm a parent of an adult, right. Is 18. He's in Canberra and I've often is So,mething that's always fascinated me. I I've watched people in my time. I just friends and stuff like how, who are the people who really get on [00:08:00] well with their parents?And what is it about both your parenting and them, I guess that that makes them want to be. Oh, gives helps to balance that relationship, but have So,me talked about it and friends keep saying, you've got to write about that. You've heard about events because everybody is having that challenge. Oh yes. I've heard So,me stories.So, Lisa let's do the formal part. You're extraordinary. You have extraordinary CV that for anybody who doesn't know you is worth chatting about. So, congratulations on your successes. And I hope I trust. I'm sure you look back with a feeling of. Even though we're going to talk about So,me of the other stuff that's come up for you as a result, or you must look back with a sense of, I did that.I did that at 14. That was me. I'm remembering me at 14 to you. It's one of those things that it hits you at different times. You know? , when I wrote my first book making the most [00:09:00] of it, , it was, you know, in the lead up to the Olympic games in Sydney. And, , until that point I'd been running hard from that So,rt of swimming kind of prove that I was So,mething else.And So, suddenly in this lead up to Sydney, I had a whole lot of friends. I lived in the inner city, nothing to do with my sport life at all abruptly. So,, you know, I'd done that. And they were all saying to me, as in the lead up to Sydney, you went through all this X 16. And at that point I was like, yeah, I did.And even the, I mean, m and dad, they were, , Because the boy, you know, the Olympic games, my Olympic games is boycotted or the attempt to boycott, there was a whole lot of drama around it. So, that idea of kind of being even the parents of the Olympian was very different back then. So, m and dad stayed in a hotel for four days.I think m had found, you know, So,me hotel for them, the Volo were going to the Olympics. And So, there were visitors there and they were, when they finally chatted at breakfast and they said, oh yeah, our daughter was an Olympian. Your daughter's an Olympian. So, even they got to feel this So,rt of pride of that.But at [00:10:00] different times, things, things all pop up and I'll say, oh yeah, you know, such and such, I'll tell a story and like really, oh, oh, So,mething else you've done.So, let's start back. You, you became a champion swimmer at the age of 14. I'm trying to remember me at 14. And what I thought was a big deal. And can you paint a picture if you can recall. What was in you to be that disciplined? So, I think Edmonton was your first, 1978, the first Commonwealth games that you re you represented Australia.Congratulations. And you had a silver medal in the, in backstroke. That was, I think, tended to be your specialty 200. Can you introduce us to how you could be? I don't wanna use the word discipline, So, I don't wanna put words in your mouth, what it was that led you to be able to achieve that that's as [00:11:00] vague as I can make it to let you fill in the space for us.Yeah, well, discipline was there, but the discipline came because I loved it. I loved to swim, and I was very lucky in that., when I was about, about to turn eight, my brother decided that he wanted a fiberglass. So,, Ford, my dad had been an old Bondi lifesaver. You know, we used foam pool lights of boards back then in between the flags.And dad said, you must be able to swim 400 meters before you can get a fiberglass board. So,, he began his campaign down at the DUI men's club., I lived on the Northern beaches of Sydney and m and the neighbors took him down there. They were members. And So,, he went down, and he got his name in the paper, you know, and the results of the manly daily.And So,, I decided I, I love to swim, and I'd learned to swim, you know, So,rt of a for. I was the oldest sister, So, I guess there was So,me pride., and So, I headed down there, you know, from, the next week. , but true to form, I was a bit of a crier. I was quite shy., and So, the moment that I burst into tears on the blocks before my first race, 25 meters, that looked a [00:12:00] lot further away than I thought it would be., the DUI ladies had a policy. They did not let little girls walk away, crying, fearing that they might not be able to do it. So,, they put it on an older girl, jumped in the water immediately and said, come on, sweetheart, you can do this. And So,, she walked, you know, the gun went off. I threw myself in and she walked backwards all the way down the pool to get me to that 25-meter line, always encouraging, you know, come on, sweetheart, come on, sweetheart.And of course, by the time I got there, well, you know, I, I cried all the way or the ladies t told me that, you know, they love to tell the story that in her first race at the Dee Why ladies, Lisa Forrest cried all the way to the finish, but I forgot that, you know, once I got there and So, I was down there the next week, It, I was just, you know, obviously there was So,me talent there, but, , my moved really quickly, I, I So,rt of almost won, , the under eight 25 meters of butterfly a couple of weeks later in the first, in that first, in that first couple of months, I taught myself to do butterfly from Shane Gould's book, swimming the Shane way.I broke a state record at 10. I won state championships at that [00:13:00] age. So,, I was at my first nationals at 10. I went to get So,me experience, So, I just loved it. And I, I loved the training and I think swimming is a beautiful sport for shy people because you do not have to be a member of a team. You know, you can So,rt of talk to people in your own time.And So,, I was the oldest in my home, but at the pool I had older brothers, big brothers, you know, and they were lovely. And I just, I loved it. So, yes, there was discipline, but, you know, even I think, you know, grit has been defined as So,rt of passion first and then perseverance. And So,, I really was just lucky that I found the love of this beautiful sport.And, that you were validated by people, I think at that young age to have So,mething where you are validated, regardless of how you perform is a very nurturing experience. I think we do not all have. Totally like you cannot separate the two, that first race. So,, by the rule of the DUI ladies was that you had to swim three club races to enter a [00:14:00] championship race.And,So, the first championship race, as long as I swam the club race, and the third day I could enter the under eight 25 meters of butterfly. And, and the, and So, I nearly, I nearly won it. I came second two ago, but Jenny Horner and her older sisters were in the club. The m was a secretary. They were Dee Why lady style.I came from nowhere. And So,, this was a big deal, I guess. I remember still the, the, you know, the, not friction, it was the wrong word, the excitement that it ignores. And therefore, who was the president? You know, suddenly people were telling me where I could go to stroke correction classes in the winter and learn to put my face in the water, doing freestyle.Cause I was an under, you know, nobody taught you big arms and bilateral breathing back then.and So, suddenly I had done So,mething that was. Impressive, and So, yes, that comes with it. And I was alSo, very lucky because I had really gentle kind of older coaches and they were very nurturing.I didn't ever have anybody who yelled at me or who kind of [00:15:00] talked about being tough. I never heard the word, you know, later on, we'll get to that when they go and get So,me of the tough get going, which I loved. But back then, it was just, I think I trained hard, and I liked it. So,, there was never any need to yell at me, but I didn't ever have coaches that were just So,rt of ridiculous for a young perSo,n.You know what I would call ridiculous. So,, I had nurturing, you have a gentle spirit. And So, that was nurtured when you were younger. So, that gentleness was able to survive perhaps longer than it does for So,me other people who do not have that same nurturing kind of mentoring. Yeah. Well, why would you persist if you were in a program that., you know, the loose hold you, or So,mehow made you feel that you weren't enough or, you know, that So,rt of whole idea that if you don't show any income, encouragement, then you know, they'll want to try harder for you. You know, that kind of, well, I've seen film footage of that happening with gymnast, listening to all the stories now, the gymnast, but likewise, you can find it in swimming.You can find it in all So,rts of places. You [00:16:00] did find it at Edmonds. Well, even then, you know, I mean, I think that,  I swam for Australia at a time. It was very stressful, and people were under the coaches were under a lot of stress. The whole world had moved on and we were still using, you know, techniques in the 1950s.Although I was lucky at home, I had a home coach that wasn't, he was using the more modern techniques. And So,, it was Tracey Wickham. So,, we had the answers, and we just didn't have, you know, it was a really great learning experience as a teenager because you're watching adults. There is an obvious way that we have to go, and the adults are not a lot of the adults aren't going that way.So,, what makes you an adult that doesn't want to change? I think as a young perSo,n, I even then, I was like, I'm not going to be an adult who will not change, who won't adapt. And So, yes, I, again, there was So,me stuff going on, So,me really tough coaching about that. So,, people who don't want the story. So,, you went and you're on the team.You're 14 years old. You'd had this nurturing [00:17:00] mentoring until then and only encouragement and positive positivity and do what you want to do and everything that is meant to happen for a young child. And then you had to go away for months training. I'm Australian captain Honolulu. Yeah. All the time in the post, 1976, when we hadn't won a gold medal for the first time in four decades at the Olympic games and the girls in the pool.But the blame really it wasn't there wide that you talk about, , So,fas view, as you don't know, the book we're talking about is glide by Lisa forest. There's this scene that I just found harrowing for you, where you were expect, you had expectations of how, how it might be. You'd never done it before the accommodation was lousy.You were treated literally like you weren't first class or worth. Championing and bringing out your best. It was immediately, you felt must've felt like an afterthought in the whole thing that you were not even there to be you and swim for [00:18:00] you. You were there to reclaim and redeem them. It felt like you were there for their redemption, because for those who don't know, Lisa and the other swim light women, swimmers, the girls walked in and began to be berated about what would happen and how they'd be sent home.And what was the list of possible transactions? Same time. If you did not train hard enough, if you missed a session, if the girls put on weight and we weren't allowed to eat desserts because essentially the, you know, the Australian girls that didn't win in, in Montreal, even though they were racing east Germans or drug takers, I had filed because they were undisciplined and overweight and.And So,, it's set up immediately that So,rt of fear of, particularly for a good girl who, you know, wants to please everybody. that kind of fear of, oh my God, what might happen? So,, yeah, in the first week, cause we're in the dorms in Hawaii at the, at the university of Hawaii. And So,, I'd never even eaten in cafeterias and I've had, you know, at home just eating a couple of, you know, meat [00:19:00] of So,me So,rt, a good meat and three veg.And I went into a cafeteria where. You know, worried about putting on weight, like what there was only mince or, you know, kind of things, creamy So,rt of So,urces in pastors. And So,, for the first week, I only ate salads because I was So, scared of putting them away. And at the same time I was joking. Now, Mr.King, you know, is passed away, but it's not to say that he wasn't gentle. He wasn't nurturing because he was lovely. And he did really like me. I felt like, but he was old school. So,, we got there on the Monday. I started six kilometer sessions by, I had beautifully tailored five kilometer sessions at home, all tailored around swimming to a hundred backstroke did most of my sessions in backstroke.By the end of that first week, we were swimming eight and nine. Kilometers per session twice a day, I was eating salads. So, suddenly then we're like, oh, we need to look up to her. She's you know, she's doing she's she's you know, she's So,mehow not, she has not coping. So,, but in that way, it was more kind of eating.I did not dare tell him. [00:20:00] Yeah, I was 14, but there was 15 year olds. There were 16 year olds in that's how it was back then, I think until babies, like interesting listening to. And many of the girls now talk, whether it's just the goals in the workplace or the goals in, you know, in sport, the gymnast and things like that, we just accepted it as what you needed to do if you were going to swim for Australia.Yeah. And I, I, when there was I tell the other story of Debra Foster who won the a hundred backstroke, I won the 102 hundred backstroke to make the team. But with that training, by the third week, I was visiting a new neurologist in the hospital because I would be shooting headaches. And I mean, now you'd probably call them migraines, but there were three attacks in the pool.I had no idea what was happening to me. And So, I didn't do my best, but all the time Deb was in that water in that pool saying. Not, not mistaking, not I'm not doing that or she's do go slows if she wasn't allowed out. So, she was that little bit older and she was just used to questioning an adult, which I had never learned to do.And now, [00:21:00] eventually that was certainly the way that I parented my So,n to question adults being polite, but you are allowed to question. So, that was So,mething I had to learn to do. And she won that one hundred backstroke. She was always in once we got to Edmonton, she won the Commonwealth games race. So, I was like, right, there's a different stream, the way I'm approaching this and the way she's doing it.And she's doing what she needs to win, because for all of the stuff about not training hard or not being disciplined or questioning, she did the job she was sent to do. And I was like, I need to be like her. And So, it clear, there was no lack of discipline or training had on anybody's behalf. Everyone was So, desperate to.Make Australia proud, make their families better. You bring So, much to it. You're there to do your best. You're not there to goof off. You didn't work all these years as a child to fly all that way to goof off the mentality to me is mind blowing. Yeah. And that, that was part of the mentality that a lot of the 76 girls that were over the hill, I mean, back then over the hill was [00:22:00] 16.You didn't swim through til, you know, there was, how were you going to swim in the amateur days? And support yourself unless you are from a wealthy family or you went to the university universities in America. So, even though we were understanding that that, that 16 wasn't the PKG, there was this feeling that the girls had gone to Montreal because they were over the hill and they'd just gone for the trip.So, that fear of just going for the trip alSo, was that kind of came in later on for me of not wanting to be like that, but it's ugly and junket, you weren't even allowed to leave the training area. I know. I know. And you tell people that now, right kids now, the sport, the athletes now, we're just like what?I mean, I think I talk with schools once my first book came out. I'd tell these stories and you'd have, at first I thought the, I was talking to your nines and I'd say to the teachers, are they bought, they must be bored because they were not responding. They're not bored.Bribing Dickensian times is you're back in the [00:23:00] dark. And these were the amateur days. Yeah. So,metimes I think, wow, there were So,me advantages to that in the sense that you did have to swim while you're young, and then you got on with life. There wasn't this. Oh, how long can my career, you know, keep going for?, So,, when I finished at 19, lots of my friends were, you know, just at university and just kind of knew. So,, you were not 27 going into a workplace, not having done anything else, you know? So,, there was So,me advantages to it. And I think So,metimes alSo, just the advantage that you start from love. I started from love.There was nothing in it for me, all for m and dad. So,, I wonder So,metimes with parenting, whether there's more in it for the parents and alSo, the lack of endorsements back then would have meant there was a lot lack of So,cial media, a lot Le I mean, we've just described awful in terms of those four weeks, but a lot of your space in your mind was yours.You didn't have So,cial media, you had press headlines, but there are only once a day. So,cial media is this relentless mill of [00:24:00] 24 hours a day. Having opinions on people's lives that we don't know you don't, you didn't have any of that. I think about them today to be that age in the face of So,cial media endorsement deals, not wanting to let anybody down, I would have been incapable at 14 of having the maturity and the responsibility to understand what I was undertaking.I, So,cial media would have defeated me. To be in your position and deal with So,cial media, especially with Moscow Olympics, which we're about to go to just the relentless nature of the hate messages and the judgments. It's just excruciating for a child. Yeah. And it, and that, because I had that time, what we did was, you know, I wrote a lot of letters and really that was the beginning of me feeling that I, or knowing that I could write, because I often get So, many compliments about the letters that I wrote and many ways that helped me, I wrote because it helped my homesickness.So,, if So,mebody sent me even a car, they'd get a long letter [00:25:00] because it just suit, it was So,othing for me. So, later on when I was able to tell stories or feel as though I could write, it came from that because people would say, I love your letters. You know, you talk, you write like you talk or tell a great story.So, that alSo, came out of it. And I think alSo, for me just, you're able to So,rt out a lot of emotions when you put down on paper. And even now I was, I was at a dinner last week and there's So,me there were, families or parents there whose kids were going to in Melbourne. There are a couple of, I guess, they're private schools where the kids go in year nine and they don't actually have any contact.They have to write letters and stuff. They take all the phones and everything away. And I think it's a really wise thing. You know, I, I don't know how they manage So,cial media these days. The kids you'd have to have really be really strong and putting it away or not having a phone. Well, they consider it more addictive than crack cocaine to a child's brain.That's how does any child have the conscious [00:26:00] living ability? The, what we spend a lifetime learning, they've got a, has a child, and alSo, represent Australia. I just, whose who signs up for that? Now you then went to Moscow. Congratulations. I had, I was around then and I remember it. I remember So,me of the headlines.I can't even imagine what it was like for you. So,, you, So, again, if you could set the scene for So,mebody who's perhaps not familiar with what happened with anything, but an ordinary Olympic games. Yeah, sure. And I mean, that was a lot when I wrote my book boycott, which was my first non-fiction book about the Olympics.You are not alone in that people would come up to me after and say, well, I was around, but I don't know what I was doing. I just don't remember it being like that.  and So, essentially the So,viets invaded Afghanistan and the end of 1979, , within the first weeks of January, the, , The president of the United States, Jimmy Carter had called for a boycott and Malcolm Fraser, our prime minister, along with Margaret Thatcher and a whole lot of other prime ministers said, yeah, we think that's a great idea., [00:27:00] we'll, we'll go along with that. However, Malcolm Fraser, wasn't willing to make that decision himself. And likewise, Margaret patch to the British Olympic committee said very early on, they were one of the first in March. We're going, you know, Mrs. Bachelor might know a lot about politics, but she doesn't know anything about the Olympics.So,, get lost essentially, but we were much quite gentle or not quite as willing to, go against the government. Our Olympic Federation took quite a while. So,, it wasn't until May the 23rd that those 11 men met and voted six, five that we would go. and during that whole period. So,, at first I hadn't the first, like in the first couple of months, the trials were in March.So,, it was just. No point worrying about So,mething until you actually make the team. And then once I made the team in March and I was alSo, named captain of that team and you're 11, So, suddenly it was not, you know, how would you go, but why should you go? So, you're talking to the media here. I am the 16 year old, getting a very fast lesSo,n on geopolitics where Afghanistan is for God's [00:28:00] sake., and alSo, just, you know, explaining to the, you know, the community, why we should go and why I should feel for my little dream when the world was trying to fight communism. , and you know, you could, as I tell the kids, you could swap communism for terrorism. The communists were coming to take away our way of life.And, , and that, you know, that's how we prepared really. And So,, it was a matter of just. You know, training, for this event that you hope that you would get to, , I'd be at home doing an English,  you know, assignment. I get a phone call, you know, there was a perSo,n from the, it was a journalist, you know, never ran.It's just put in a hundred thousand dollars to the Olympic campaign because all the sponSo,rs were dropping out. So,. Wow. And how do you feel? So,, I'd give my feeling of that. So,mebody who was supporting us. Great. Yay. Go back to my English assignment, but alSo, within the. That So,rt of first week really, I've been made captain.We then started getting death threats. So,, we had a whistle by the telephone. That's what the police, recommended that we do. So, at least we could blow the whistle [00:29:00] really loud. Want one of these cold. And I think So,metimes even in So,cial media, like at least when you had a phone call, you felt had agency do So,mething.Whereas with the So,cial media stuff you just bombarded with if you had the relentless nature of it. Yeah, we were lucky in that sense, but again, it was, my parents were just very, they're just very common sense. People like, well, I was allowed to go to the footy and I was, I'd go to training and I'd go to the Olympics, to the movies, the friends, and eventually.There was in that period where we first started going to see bands, you know, back in those days, you didn't have to, you could So,rt of be the bouncer, let you in all and split ends. And, and then, and then we got on the, eventually got on the plane to go on the 1st of July, but it took, it was the 23rd of May. And then, and then there was another meeting, the AOF agreed to one more meeting with the prime minister and he tried to convince them again. And then they voted again.I think the vote was even less. It was more like [00:30:00] seven, seven, three. So,. So, the, the AOF was really, the members of the Olympic committee were pretty angry by that point, that Fraser kept pressuring them when he'd said that, he wouldn't, and of course the government was giving money to sports and to individuals to withdraw never given government money before to athletes.And So,, the first time that the Australian government ever gave money to Olympic athletes was to withdraw from the Olympics. So, it was crazy. It was a crazy time. It made sense at the time, I don't, I wasn't, I was your age exactly your age. And I never questioned the media. Lisa, I just read the headlines and read the articles and believed it all.So, whatever the media was saying, I didn't, it never occurred to me to question the message the way we can today and the way we do well. I think that was it. I think it was probably part of the times when you are, I guess, you know, you talked about So,rt of being young, but you become much mature in ways that, you know, So,me ways and not [00:31:00] in others, So, So,rt of emotional maturity and maybe going out with boys and all that stuff.I wasn't. So,, mature in that way, the normal things that people were doing at that age. But then in other ways you were, So, you were part of a history of athletes. I knew about athletes that had protested things like,  you know, the, say the Springbok tour and stuff like that. So, there had been protests and, or course there were older athletes around that.I was following that. I, you know, I respected all the particularly, you know, the Chris Ward was, there were older guys on our swimming team. They were very active, Martinelli was very active. So, I wanted to be, you know, I, I was prepared to do whatever we had to do to get there alSo,. I mean, I came from a labor voting family, So, that was much easier.It was pretty much split down liberal labor lines. You didn't have a lot of independence back in those days. So,. You know, there were people who believe that you did what the government told you to do. And yes, of course, if you were as a labor government, labor voting family, Malcolm Fraser had sacked Gough Whitlam.So,, the outrage that then he should be trying to stop their daughter going to the Olympic [00:32:00] games that was fueled and there. So,, there was no question that I was going to be supported to go, but for a lot of athletes who lived in liberal voting households, it was very stressful. And I know if the rowers, even though the rowing body themselves were furious, they were traditionally conservative, but furious that the government should think they had a say when they didn't contribute to anything.So, in sports like that, they would take the athletes out of their homes and put them in camp to keep them safe, not safe from their own families, but to at least protect their decision to go. Right. Wow. That's a lot to put on kids. That is interesting. I don't know how you had the ability. Did you have any media training, the ability to take sitting around the table?What do you think? I should say mom, or, you know, you've kind of worked out, although not, not really. Like I was, I didn't think that I sit a whole lot. I don't think I was all that,  bolshy.  I just, I like, I look at the goals today. And [00:33:00] well, it just, even the, you know, the kids that are protesting the climate, climate change and they're So, beautiful and nice, So, well spoken and they can debate really well.I don't think I was that sort of kid. I was, we didn't have that Sort of training. It was like that. Well, I think we should go because, you know, it's not really fair. And you know, we're still, we're still trading wool and wheat and we knew that kind of stuff. So, we were still trading with these people. So, why shouldn't the athletes go?And, you know, the sport is about bridging gaps. And So, we were true to the Olympic ideal of meeting, you know, meeting everybody and treating one another in the same amount of respect. And of course you did, you know, you met a communist and, you know, he was handsome.We were out in the world in a different way to others. So, that's amazing story. What an experience for you. Do you look back on that time and how do you reflect on that time today? Oh, just lucky. You know, I think particularly when I was writing boycott, I thought. How incredible [00:34:00] to be able to go through that experience and then be able to write about it., I mean, I felt that there was quite a lot of responsibility to tell the stories that nobody, a lot of people had not heard, you know, the women's hockey team that were there was the first time hockey was going to be, and women's at the Olympic games and they'd been promised by their association that if the AOS voted for them to go, then they would go and the AOF voted on Friday.That we'd go. And on Monday, you know, they read in the newspaper that in the interests of Australian hockey, they'd being withdrawn all. But by the way, we, you know, we're going to send you off to another inch, another international meet, like who'd want to go to another international meet rather than the Olympics.So, for those girls and Some of the stories of the intimidation that people experienced at work,  you know, in the homes, that was, that was so interesting. So, I felt, , very you're lucky. And of course, like back then, I can still. Feel if I tell the story of we were in training camp in France for a week, and then we [00:35:00] flew into Moscow and I still, I get goosebumps now just thinking about it, the moment that the plane began to send into Moscow, and you're going behind the iron curtain and Robert Ludlow l sort of territory, I was a reader and you know, you're in this incredible world.So, that was, you know, the experience of going to Moscow back then when nobody did, that was So, rare to go behind the curtain and then your ex and Basil's and the Kremlin. And it was, it was extraordinary. I also, feel for the athletes who couldn't go because you have a short shelf life back then you've picked after four years of training to qualify and get two Olympic games.You maybe don't have another game in you all your life for these kids. Some of them has been spent building up to that year as 1980. That's when I'm going to peak, everything I've done for the last four years is for this week, and then they couldn't go. Yeah. And then the very thought of can I like in, for gymnast, can I be good enough in another four years?[00:36:00] That's questionable. Can I maintain this regime for a nut that's eight years of devotion to get to qualify simply because these games meant you couldn't go? I can't even imagine some people have, they're looking back now with a feeling of loss or maybe regret, and they've had to do So, much in their minds to so often the burden of regret.That must be in them. Yeah. Oh look, I mean, and you know, as we'll talk about there's, there's, what's going on outside and there's what's going on inside. And I know people called me afterwards one swimmer who, , she withdrew, but didn't realize that you could get any money. So, it wasn't as though she was just felt as though she couldn't do it.And she, she chatted to me for the book. And then she called me when the book came Lisa, I thought it'd be okay. And she said, I picked it up. I went, I bought it in the bookshop. And then I, I started reading it when I was still in the, in the shopping center. And she said, I just had to stop and sit down and just cry.You know, we hold on to all sorts of things and we don't [00:37:00] realize, oh yeah, the stories of girls who, yeah, the hot tub, you know, one of the hockey players I spoke to, she thought she'd get, she was six. She wasn't much older than me thought she'd get to the next games. And then wasn't selected oh four and ah, just those stories and even, you know, the stories, the different athletes, the pressure they were under at home.And of course, there was no sports psychology then. So, it was this thing that people went through and you didn't talk about it? No, because. the sports bodies, certainly didn't want to think about it. Like, even, like, when I wrote that book in 2007, I spoke to John Coats and he spoke to Gough Whitlam.He decided that, he wouldn't show the minutes of the meeting back in 1980 of the greater ARF. So, that was the biggest, it was the whole Olympic movement that was meeting, I think in April, it was the annual general meeting. That's right. And they were going to vote then, and they didn't. And So, they held, Sid Grange held an in-camera meeting So, that people would speak freely.And I wanted to see [00:38:00] those notes, but he spoke to golf or Don code spoke to golf and golf said should wait 30 years because there would be people embarrassed in sport today, embarrassed about the way that they had voted. you would have been able to buy them. The book was out, but I remember Pat Garrity, , John Coats does honor the Moscow Olympians, , very much So, he wasn't part of the AOF back then, but he was on the sideline feeding stuff in to the younger members of the IOF and, and the,  he, he had at the annual general meeting when it was 30 years after Moscow, he invited me and he, by the Pat Garrity, who was ahead of what was called Siemens union back then, and the unions had So, me come in support of us because the sponsors were dropping out.And So, pat got up and had no problem talking to reminding everybody what it was like for us and you could feel the tension in the room then, like they didn't want to be reminded of what had happened.  [00:39:00] and look, that's, that's everywhere. Isn't it? If we talk about how, we're treating our first nations people, we don't have the maturity Somehow or the capacity to be able to hold Something that happened then and just go.Yeah, I've changed my mind and I; I wish that I hadn't been, I wish I'd known more. I maybe I've voted another way or whatever it happens to be, but instead we directed a Sort of frustration that Somebody should be bringing this up and that I should have to feel uncomfortable about it. And yet that's maturity, isn't it being able to hold all that arises and actually just reflect on it in a way that's mature and, sensible comments.Yes. And we only do that at the rate that we're prepared to do that we can't. Hasten maturity. We can't hasten adult hood, no matter what the number it is, how old we are. there, I was speaking with my husband this morning, we're having a cup of tea together. , and we're just sharing the things that we think is so common sense today.[00:40:00] And we know our us taking responsibility, and we know that it's maturity that was beyond us five years ago, Lisa. So, I never judge anyone who struggles with what seems to be the way it is that cognitive dissonance. I'm really respectful of that, that can't be broached just because I think they should or because I think they should know better.No, and that's right. I agree with you. Totally agree with you in that sense, I guess the no, what I'm, what I'm speaking about more is. Yeah, well, that's where compassion comes in is we have to, we need to be compassionate. Everybody has come from a different place. And So, their way of relating to the world is based on the way they've been brought up and the way, you know, certain emotions have been allowed to be expressed in their home.And so forcing it on somebody else you're right. Is and it's counterintuitive because people shut down even more. So, it's that kind [00:41:00] of, you know, I'm not going to think that way because I am just So, angry that you've even made me feel uncomfortable and we can talk about that mindfulness.And at the same time, you're right. In terms of, you know, where I think that as a, I think that as a nation, I think is as parents, even the notion that, we will all get older, does that mean we all grow up and what is growing up and what is maturity? And I think that it's, we're in a really interesting place, I think, too, in terms of a Society in that.How is it being encouraged, you know, growing up or somehow it's a negative, like, I guess we, you know, we love you and we sort of honor all of that, but I'm in that, , transitional period, if you like and what I meant in terms of menopause, but I've learned that the Japanese split second spring, So, I've been exploring, you know, what the second spring is and how you are able to move into the second spring and enjoy it.And I think a lot of that comes from, [00:42:00] or the ability to enjoy your second spring is that you were able to be present and, explore all the things that you wanted to explore in the first, in your first spring. I think it's also, letting go the  of letting go of what you didn't and letting go of what you can no longer.Yeah, absolutely. That's right. And that's a real skill. It is. It's, it's one that you you'll take your last, all take my last breath, still trying to feel. So, we dived into where we're heading, but I just want to make sure that our viewers also, know that you won. I think it was two gold medals at the Brisbane Commonwealth games.Congratulations. Thank you. Was the training there? A Software experience? I can't quite remember what you said about that. And what had happened was no, by that point, I knew that I had trouble with my thinking. , and So, I was but nobody talked about anxiety or anything like that. , but what had happened also, was that by the time [00:43:00] I just before the Olympic games or before the Commonwealth games, So, it was it was a bit of a, , not knowing how to relieve the pressure that you were putting on yourself because I'd won the silver medal.That first time I had only when I was eight years old and I saw those girls at the Olympic games in 1972, and I thought I want to do that. I'd made the calculation that 1980, I don't know that it had been decided it was in Moscow at that point. But 1980, I would be 16. I'd be in year 11. That was the games I could go to and get on with the rest of my life.But once the, still the medal happened in 78, everyone said to me, oh, you'll go one better in four years. So, suddenly that is extended. Oh yeah. I'll go before your time. And it's been So, well, I must say at the time, but anytime I want to travel Somewhere. Yeah. Comprehension of the magnificence of  a home.Yes. But I was sort of struggling cause I'd done my HSC that year before I'd taken time off as m wanted. So, I finished in the top 10% of the state did my age, that was up to the [00:44:00] Olympics and then went back into the pool, , to, you know, go one better at the Commonwealth games. , and So, even though I felt like I had all of the reasons that I should be motivated, you know, for the first time m would, and dad would be able to see me swim for Australia.And I was trying to go one better and win a gold medal and all these sorts of things. I just had this heavy weight on my shoulder, and I did not know how to relieve it. And then, Rocky. Rocky three was released in the cinema just about a month before the training, the trials. Now I've been something like the dog.I was really struggling, and I was like, watch the pool. That's what, I couldn't understand. Like once I was in the water, I was fine, but it was in between those sessions. I was torturing myself and then Rocky comes in and it's pretty specific to my moment. He used to team traveling and he'd he'd beaten Rocky. And of course, Mickey he's trying to sort of died in it, spoken in scenes of that movie. And Apollo creed [00:45:00] comes back and he's training Rocky. Cause he's pretty angry with the way that, you know, clubber Lang sort of behaving. But Rocky is just not there.And, and then, you know, his beautiful wife, Adrian sort of forces him to tell her what's wrong. And he says, I'm scared. You know, I, I I'm, I'm scared. And, and she says, look, you know, In the years ahead where it's just going to be you and me and you can handle losing, but you can't handle walking away. So, I'm in the cinema.I thought I would just be going into enjoy Rocky. And So, it tells the story of the champ coming back. And I think, you know, I was able to process things. I didn't even know how to say and I walked out of that cinema. And if I was, if you like in flow, like we didn't have a word for that, but suddenly I heard no doubt.Rocky had reminded, you know, my body and my mind that I knew how to win. And So, I was just on a roll from that moment. Everything became easier. My just my energy was back. And I came second at the trials in both 102 hundred. And it was, you know, it was kind of interpreted as like, oh [00:46:00] yes. So, then you know, that the successes have now moved into their rightful place.And that was a bit, but I had, I was babysitting So, badly that I knew I was just like on the way up. So,  it was really interesting. And So, you know, it all went So, beautifully. I won the a hundred, which I never expected to do, and that was just pure thrill and sort of just, oh, elation and surprise and all of the joy that comes with something So, unexpected, but the 200 was interesting because it was more.No, it was the rice that I was expected to win. So, on the other side of that, or once I'd won, I didn't have that same elation. It was always interested me. I seem to just be So, kind of like I'd done it. It was a sense of satisfaction because later on I learned that contentment and satisfaction, it's almost a neutral feeling.It's not something that we try to strive for in many ways. And So, I sort of was a bit surprised by that, but nevertheless, I've won my gold medals and later on, I would learn through mindfulness and compassion. Oh, right. That's contentment. And it's okay to just be in that [00:47:00] place. It just means the job well done.So, did you question yourself, not feeling more excited at winning? Oh, that was not, I mean, it was it, I was, I still remember being on the, you know, at the end and m and dad had jumping up and down and I was like, try, please skip that. I was like, nah, it's nothing there. It's more just, yeah. I did it. No, I did it after all those four years, I hung in and I got there and it was done.It was, it was still, I would say happy. And, and content, I think, I think she's right about in glide and I love this is we tend to discount neutral moments. We discount the neutral emotions and I often have people a lot Saturday. So, you excited. Cause there's lots of good things that you cited. I don't want to disappoint you, but that's not the word.It feels we're heading there, and it'll be what it'll be. But I've, I really have tried to knock off the extremes because I don't want this in my life. I want more this, about the externals. It, [00:48:00] it seems exhausting to live on a rollercoaster of extreme emotions. So, I do get what you're saying. I'm just surprised you had it So, young, a feeling of.Yes. Oh, I think, well, I was scared of it because it doesn't feel right. Does it? It should be. I should have been like, I wasn't a hundred, there was that. And yet it wasn't. So, he just was like, no, that's not there. So, just did and what it is. And then I felt the same way. I remember again, when I was pregnant with my Son.I felt like it was because I was 38. It had happened in the first month. My best friend had been given no time to live. And I was like, when you're waiting for lease, they get pregnant or, you know, try. And we thought it'd be months because I was So, old, not old but old for having a child. And and yeah, that feeling of, , when it actually happened.And I remember driving along South darling straight after, I'd gone to tell mom and dad, and it was this beautiful pink sky. It was sort of June. and it was Twilight. And I remember thinking, wow, how have I managed this? Like, I, I want to go to the Olympics. I got there. I wanted to write a book. I got there.I [00:49:00] wanted to be a sports reporter. I did that. I always actually didn't manage to be pregnant and have a baby, which has not been on my bucket list at all. You know? And, and there was that feeling again. And I mean, I must say I was a bit scared. Like, what if I don't want to do anything else I'm now that I don't have to fear it.And I had a similar feeling just Mother's Day, you know, just gone past. I was actually by myself. My son was in Canberra. He's studying down there. My husband was with his mum She'd had an operation and I was just with my sister. We were up at Lennox head and my son, husband was only 30 minutes away, but I had this beautiful morning of, I work early and I thought, oh, I'll just go to the cafe and read this book that I was really enjoying.And I was sitting there in, you know, in the cafe. There's lots of young pair of parents with young kids and I was feeling So, like, my job is done. I've raised a beautiful boy. Yeah. Nope. Everyone keeps telling me, you know, how terrific he is. I think he is obviously, you know, his girlfriend's best friend said to me, I couldn't ask for a nicer guy for my gut, my best [00:50:00] friend.So, you know, you've done the right thing by the girls, which is really important, I think when you're raising boys. , and it was that feeling of, yeah, you can, I was not scared of it at all. It was just that really still feeling of job. Well done. You guys good on you? Yeah. So, I think that learning not to be scared of it, as you say, well, I think it's worth sharing the viewers now, why that's such a big deal in your life to get to that point, because glide, whilst it talks about the highs and the lows of the external world, I think the conversation is worth having with you now is there is a very different narrative going on within you during this time.And maybe I'm putting words in your mouth that I just get the sense that you've been wrestling with. You. All through that journey. So, you are not just competing in a race, you were competing with yourself with how you suppressed emotions with how you denied yourself, the painful thoughts that I can't even imagine how you go out from [00:51:00] the blocks planning to win when this isn't working for you.And for a while there, your mind did not work for your success for your ultimate supportive view. No, no. And I didn't know that until I know that you are sort of conscious of it, but I didn't know what to do with it. I knew once Rocky had changed my thinking, like I told journalists after I won the, those gold medals that., but I had trouble with my thinking and Rocky changed it. So, I knew that I also, knew before the Olympic final, which is, you know, I've spoken about it before, but sitting in that reading room, I heard the thought, I don't know how to do this. And I was, So, I was like, of course you do. And I'm wrestled, I thought myself on my own and kind of created, I mean, I guess you might call it a panic attack now.I don't know, but, and was able to steady myself and kind of get myself out there in a way in a way that was effective until I got into that, into the, onto the blocks. But yeah, So, I had this one, I called trouble with my thinking. And then, So, the book before glide was a teenage novel set [00:52:00] in the circus.I'd never written fantasy before, but I thought I'd have a go. And I just, again, took myself down into spirals of doubt and I knew all the time. I think it's one of the fortunate things I suppose in that I knew that it was internal. I knew it wasn't Something, there was nobody else to blame with somebody, something that I was doing.And So, I started, I signed up to a coaching course at first, a live coaching course because I thought, well, there's lots more modern techniques now that obviously what was happening back then, wasn't modern. And  that was great, except that it was another goal setting force. And I didn't need to set another goal.I wanted to be content with the goals that I kicked if you like because I had to you know, as a, a, to go and do some coaching as well, in order to practice, you know, to get my cert four, I actually realized that I wasn't the only one who had that, what I called miss never enough inside my head.So, I had these two competing voices. If you like, I have this Smiths or I'll have a go at that. You know, like that seems interesting. I'd like to write a book or I'd like to be an interviewer. [00:53:00] And So, I've got her, she's always there. And then I had this miss never enough. And. And I had that, that, that first start that we described of the Dee Why ladies sort of encouragement, I didn't, I'd forgotten about that.Yeah. What I, what I, I thought that all my success had been a result of that. My coach sports psychology back then was. Mottos across the top of the Blackboard. And my favorite motto was when the going gets tough, the tough get going. I was introduced to it at 13, at 14, I was swimming for Australia and like, right.That's it, that's it. But as you know, as I've said, by that third week at training camp in Hawaii, I didn't know how to. Where's the motto that said I've been tough enough. And So, more often than not, I was driving myself into the pool into sort of exhaustion and getting sick. , and by the time I had Terry gaffer, Paul, as a coach later on in the lead up to those Commonwealth early Olympics and Commonwealth games, he would tell people that, you know, you got to be careful of it cause she'll drive herself to illness.And now we know that that never enough story. It's just called the language of scarcity. You [00:54:00] know, we all have it from the moment we wake up in the morning, didn't get enough sleep. Don't have enough time. Don't have enough money, don't have enough respect, don't have enough willpower, don't have enough, nobody, you know, fill in the blanks., and So, that's the language of scarcity and why we're doing that. We're just draining, you know, the parts of our brain of the world where we're draining the sort of the drive section of the brain, but we're just feeding them the stress hormones all the time. Cause. You know, your, your, your podcast is called perspective.Like the capacity to stand back and say, hold on a minute. There's another way of looking at it. This is a really a powerful skill. So, I did the course. And then through that coaching course, I was introduced to, I did a webinar. It was non-compulsory on something called mindfulness based stress reduction.Yeah and I still didn't get it at the end of the class. I was like, I didn't see why I have to sit still. I have to sit down and meditate. I don't get it. So, I suppose it's worth mentioning here. Up until then you had replaced X. You used exercise as a way not to be with [00:55:00] yourself. And I wonder how many people listening to this insert your choice of distraction here.So, you don't have to be yourself. And you also, mentioned in glide the study where, how long can a participant sit in a room alone? And they're told there's a buzzer there. They can press that will give themselves an electric shock. And some people didn't even last five minutes, they'd rather give themselves pain.Then sit quietly with their thoughts. Sorry. An incredible university of Virginia. I think it was always blows me away. And the people, most people was, majority of people would rather. Give themselves the stimulus of pain, the distraction from just being still with their thoughts. And there's the other one too.So, that, that I thought the other one that was interesting was I think it was the Harvard study. It was around 2010 now, So, it's quite old, but it was you know, many, many people with, uh, an app on their phone. So, every So, often would pop up and say are you, is your mind on task or is it  [00:56:00] are you distracted?And they were, I think it was 48% of the time we were distracted, and the distraction was not helping us be happier. Because, yes, you might be thinking about that next holiday Inn. I don't know, Somewhere beyond our shores one, you know, in one day. , but then there may be all, well, it's not fair. Why I'd love to go and maybe some fears about the coronavirus or whatever it happens to be, you know, imagination kicks in.So, yeah, So, that's, So, I wrote down the name, John Kabat-Zinn and, , and suddenly, , Uh, So, I went to that's right after the website, I, a webinar, I went to audible and I looked up all the books a bit, maybe this John Kabat-Zinn has a book. And of course, he was the grandfather of mindfulness. So, he had millions of books that lots of them were, were abridged.So, I chose the only unabridged book and started listening to it. When I went walking the next morning, he had vintages the adventures of mine finished. It's no longer available on audible by the way. Cause I wanted to read it on audible before [00:57:00] our chat. Okay. I think, yeah, I think it's on sounds true now.Cause then I went to find him. Yeah. Now you tell me, well, it was interesting cause I went looking for it. Eventually. I actually emailed Don Kevin's in LA called the center for mindfulness to get his approval. So, it was tricky to find and, they were surprised actually. I think that it was on audible at the time.Anyway, the story was that. I didn't go walking the next morning, chapter three starts with a basic breath meditation. I'm supposed to be sitting down, I'm walking saying, thanks So, much, but I can, I can just feel my breath and walk. And, and he says, okay, So, we're going to feel the breath. And so, you know where I'm feeling the breath and he said, now you might be thinking this isn't too bad.You know, I'm, I'm, I'm feeling my breath. And I was like, yeah, that's, that's what I'm thinking. And he said, well, that's great, except that's a thought, and we're not trying to think. We're just trying to feel the breath. So, let's just let go of the thought and come back to the simple feeling of the breath.And I was like, what did he say? I can [00:58:00] let go of the thought by coming back to the breath. And I, I mean, I was on the corner of Oxford street and Moorpark road up the top. I almost did circles. Like, why didn't Somebody tell you this? 30 years ago, when I was sitting in the ready room before the Olympic final, that I could let go of a thought, by coming back to the feeling of the breath, it's hard for sorry for the mind to do that, but it is possible.It is tough to do, but it's hard. It would have been hard for you in that you trained yourself to disconnect from your body. Your body was just a weapon or a tool to get you down the pool. I didn't read up. I think our veggie greatly, you'd never learnt or experienced being in your body. You were here knowing what you had to do, inverted commerce, what you felt you had to do, but at no time had you taught yourself or had the experience of, of being exposed to this idea, all of me is here.Not just the bit. That's got to think my way through this panic. And I bet I hope I don't [00:59:00] let it. That is an all of you. This just became a tool. I think my feeling, as I read at least was everything below here was simply a weapon or a tool to get the job done. The next job, the next job, the next job, even exercise was treated that way.And So, to just have that ability, did you do it successfully in that first time? I can't imagine you did that. You actually sat and felt your body. It would have been an alien surreal experience to even know that was a, that was a conversation you could have with yourself. , certainly I think that one of the, definitely privileged to this, although I, I think one of the things that I found interesting about practicing mindfulness is that I could.I did not know that I could learn to regulate an emotion and exactly the way that I had regulated myself through, through a race. So, I trained my body to remain a quant is or to maintain equanimity. And when I, you know, it was screaming with pain or my thoughts were like, I don't want to, you know, I, I [01:00:00] want to give up on, not that I ever thought about, but you know, toward the end of a race, when it's really, tough, I trained myself to stay, keep stroke long, keep your breath long.You know, you're checking, checking, checking, checking time. And I didn't know that I could do that with an emotion. The moment that I was feeling anxious, as you say the trouble with my thinking, I didn't have trouble with my thinking. What I have is what we all have is a habitual way of thinking that gets us.We learned when we were little, but this protected us somehow the way that we behaved, protected us and kept us loved, or kept us in contact with those that we needed. And what I didn't realize was that. It was just a habit to actually stop myself from feeling as you say, but if we can drop into the body, when the going gets tough, the tough get going, I've now reframed, you know, in terms of when the going gets tough, the tough drop into the body and feel what they're feeling, you know, and it comes to an emotion, right?And So, if I'm feeling really worked up, then it's had there's something going on in the body. So, can I drop into the body and just feel what's going on? So, [01:01:00] you're absolutely right. I had no connection. It wasn't the breath meditation that I had such trouble with. But when the body scan, he had a, he had

Pat played 10 years in the NBA, most of that time for the Orlando Magic, helped manage the Detroit Pistons and also has worked in money management and media. 

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It only makes sense that the return of ‘Magical Movies’ would involve the only other Bucks-Magic playoff series between the two franchises. We’re going back to 2001. Game 3, Magic trying to avoid a beat-of-5 series sweep. We played the first 2 games in Milwaukee fairly close. This Game 3 at home is owned by a 21-year-old Tracy McGrady who racks up a 42-point near triple-double performance in the Magic overtime win. T-MAC accepts his Most Improved Player award before tip-off. This is a very physical game. There’s even a scuffle in front of the Magic bench. Darrell Armstrong, Pat Garrity, and Dee Brown bring the support in this 121-116 OT thriller. Full Game (TNT Broadcast; audio and video is not as crisp): https://youtu.be/wAWa8Y_vjkQ Slightly Chopped Down Game (Sunshine Network Magic Broadcast; great audio and video): https://youtu.be/nuxnWhM79kU (Please, NBA, don’t take these down. We don’t own them, let your fans watch some great basketball) The box score: https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200104280ORL.html The game audio highlights and game summary are followed by the handing out of awards. The categories: • The Jack ‘Sweater Vest Guy’ Nelson Fashion award • Most Magical Momentum Move • The Brian Hill Clipboard Smashing Play of the Game • The Richie Adubato Best Broadcast Moment • The Brian Cook Heat Check award • The Olumide Oyedeji ‘That Guy’ award • The Johnny Davis Coaching Botch award • The Stan Van Gundy Best Coaching Decision award • Best ‘Huh, I Forgot About That’ Moment • Best Musical Performance • The Tree Rollins Oldie, But a Goodie award • The Dominique Wilkins Oldie, NOT a Goodie award • Most Magical Shot • Is Anyone at their Peak Here? • Which Player Comes Out of this Game Looking the Best? If you want to rename a ‘Magical Movie’ award, or suggest a new award, please let us know. Positive ratings or reviews are always welcome. We’re here to entertain you. #LetsGoMagic #MagicAboveAll Warning: Adult Language Songs: Blinding Lights - The Weeknd WIN – Jay Rock

What is up? Thank you for hanging out with us. Once again. It’s money night. It is time for the it in the D show. This is episode three 58 broadcasting live from our quarantine homes. This is Bob, the sales guy that is Dave. The geek Randy. I do the Twitters is doing the Twitter, his finest online it in the D dot comma. Do us a favor. Give us a like on the socials and subscribe to us everywhere. Fine. Podcasts are sold. Yeah. So, Hey everybody, I’m again, this is usually where we talk about our events and we’re still not having any, so moving right along Chicka boom, Chicka, boom. He’s a looking, I do not anticipate in August of any, even if it is outdoors.     Yeah. It’s yeah. I mean, looking at everything going on. I mean, I’m keeping an honestly, I’m keeping a closer eye on what’s going on, what door what’s going to go on with schools right now, more than anything else. Um, but it’s uh, yeah, I I’m, let’s just say, yeah, it’s not looking good. No, but the show must go on. And now we are joining where luckily joined. We were, we had him scheduled out right. When the suitors were still open. We had to come. I think this was back in March or April. Oh, that’s right. Yeah. Yeah. And he’s shot me a note and said, Hey, I still want me on. I said, yeah, it’s not a bad time. So, uh, we’re joined by the, uh, the illustrious one. Mr. Pat Garrity. How you doing, sir? Great. Thanks for having me on the show today. Yeah. Thanks for joining us. Appreciate it now. Um, before we get into it, now, you’re the VP of engineering at blue Mira operations, operations. I oversee product marketing sales. Got it. I mean, do everything, whatever needs to get them Every, uh, every once in a while we run into, I run into someone at an event. They basically takes over my LinkedIn feed and I like to congratulate you on my LinkedIn feed. That’s great to hear. Hey, it’s not, you can attribute that. Not to me too, is a amazing, she does content marketing for, for a, I almost said duo, but blue Mira. Um, and, uh, yeah, it’s been amazing. The work that she does and also like our security team is creating a ton of the content as well, and trying to make useful stuff for people, uh, in the security industry. So, so you’re just putting it all out there, trying to look important and smart is what you’re saying. You’re not actually creating any of it. You’re just, Yeah, I can’t, you know, some bit idea wise, um, pointing people in the right direction, but yeah, the team, the team is truly the ones working on that and publishing some cool stuff and some free tools and whatnot. That’s awesome. So one of the reasons I was intrigued about having you on the show is a, that I think blue mirror is doing some very cool stuff. And B you kind of have a long history with, uh, you know, with duo, which is kind of a, one of the big, big wind stories. And, you know, and see, I want to talk about what everyone is. Is there a shift in security focus with, with everybody working from home now and, you know, you can kind of reassess your place in the world. So I guess let’s start there if your, your, your company X, and you’ve got half your company or all your company working from home, and you can kind of sit back and look at your, I guess, security strategy. Are you changing right now? Or are you simplifying, are you getting more complex? What what’s on everybody’s mind right now? Yes, sir. Certainly simplifying, um, is one of the big themes. I think everyone had these ideas of three to five year cloud migrations, um, moving from on premise to cloud. We see that everywhere. Uh, it’s essentially accelerated adoption of all of that. And the reality is, is, Oh man, we didn’t have security controls in place. And any on any of those things, we weren’t set up for remote work. And now all of a sudden our VPN, you know, has a thousand people on it concurrently smoke. Yeah. Yeah. So, so even, you know, I look at it, it’s like even a lot of people still don’t have two factor authentication deployed. I mean, as simple as that, uh, very effective control, right? So it’s accelerated a ton of the security market. That’s set up to address a lot of those needs. What’s the, uh, just real quick, like to IFA, whatever, if somebody wants to jump in and you know, what are you gonna look at? You’re gonna look at Microsoft. You don’t look at duo. What’s a, I mean, that’s kind of, what’s on my top of mind. What’s on yours. Yeah. So, so being former duo, um, I could say that, that I might be a little bit biased, but I can tell you, yeah, I can tell you as well, now that I left you, I’m using a lot of other products. Um, and what I can tell you is they work effective, but they’re not as reliable or user friendly. And so I, you know, there’s some products, I’m not gonna name names that like they’re inconsistent and popping your log in up. You get frustrated as a user. Um, and so I can, I can with confidence, say like duo by far has user experience down on the MFA side. The other thing I’d say from an access security side is they have some really strong controls around access control, as it relates to corporate owned devices and BYOB devices, where now they have an agent that can be installed to posture that device. That’s a really important thing to make sure things are up to date encrypted. And that there’s a screen lock, especially when we’re talking about someone using their home computer and making sure it’s not windows XP. Cause the reality is there’s still a lot of people running windows XP. Um, so yeah, those are the things I think of from an access security perspective. And then what’s interesting is I spent most of my time on the two FAA side and, and protection, right? Preventative security measures. The other side is, well, how do we detect someone at bypasses? Those which happens everywhere. Um, in, in, you know, the detection response market is one, if you look at SIM, for example, it’s complicated, it’s difficult to deploy. And to be honest, most organizations don’t have a good working detection response capability. So, uh, yeah, for me, I just saw the opportunity to actually extend some of the, you know, philosophy of what I learned and did at duo with Doug and Jonno and others and apply it to a different part of the market that really hasn’t solved. Um, what I consider to be democratizing security or bringing it to be accessible to organizations of any size. Right. Yeah. I was just gonna say, I mean, you know, and I know Bob touched on this a little bit, but I think that’s probably the biggest, I would think the biggest concern that people have right now, at least from a corporate security perspective is okay. We, we have completely stood everything on its ear and now you’ve got, you know, more and more of the workforce working at home. How, how do you, you know, make that shift? I mean, I know there are a lot of companies that, you know, we’re kind of banging their hands and chews on the table saying, you know, we’re, everybody’s coming back to the office and now they’re kind of leaning, you know, they’re kind of laxing off on that a little bit. Um, you know, you’re seeing, you know, the, just the ripple effect of, you know, Hey, the, the court, the, uh, excuse me, the, um, commercial real estate market is already starting to feel it a little bit as businesses are giving up their office space and looking to sell buildings cause they don’t want them or need them anymore. Uh, so I mean, what are, I guess, you know, what are the quick hits from a, from a corporate security standpoint, as you know, they get pushed into that scramble. Yeah. So first off, I would say from a shift in market perspective, one thing to consider is people’s preferences now that they’ve worked from home is to work from home. So work from home is not, is not going away. I’m not going into a office, whether there’s covert or not, I’ll tell you, you know, maybe I might consider every once every other week or a few times a week, but yeah, we proven that out. And another thing is, as people realize they’re more productive working from home and corporations realize that as well for good or bad. Right. Um, uh, and so yeah, there is the aspect of making sure that your people have enough time to take care of themselves. They get offline, all those sorts of things. Um, but yeah, really from a security perspective, it’s making sure that they have a secure connection in a secure device. Our number one, um, you know, so I, when I look at that, it’s, it’s, Hey, let’s make sure we have certificates in place. We have encryption in place from a connectivity perspective. Like you shouldn’t be already peeing into, uh, your company’s, um, windows servers directly, but you know, how many people, But a lot of people are. Yup. Yeah. If you have already, you know, windows already, peer SMB enable, then it’s accessible publicly. Like that’s a bad, no, no, that’s the number one way ransomware is deployed. Um, and so yeah, just getting the fundamentals of like making sure that you have secure access, whether it’s to a, uh, or whether it’s to a cloud application and then layering on number one, uh, user controls and then device controls to make sure you have that. So, uh, two factor authentication, absolutely key, no questions asked, um, pro preferably you use a hardened credentials. So something like YouTube, Fido, web authen push based authentication. Let me, let me take a step back just for, you know, cause we do, we do get our demographic. Isn’t always as techie as we think it is. Um, so, so for those of you who are watching, listening, whatever, and aren’t familiar with two factor authentication, so that’s, you know, it can be as simple as, Hey, I’m logging into my Facebook account and Facebook shoots me a text message that I then have to, you know, with a code that I then have to enter, you know, this is okay. Yeah. This is me. Um, there are other apps, you know, like the ones that duo hat or that a lot of other places have where, you know, you try to, you know, log into your Gmail account and an app pops up on your phone and says, Hey, is this you, you know, you’ve already verified that this device is yours. The phone that you’re on, you know, is this you attempting this login on this other device? Yes or no. And you can block it that way. So that’s that two factor authentic. That’s, that’s, what’s meant by two FAA or two factor authentication. Sorry. Yeah. Hey, thanks for telling me, you know, sometimes I overlook, uh, uh, you know, I’ve been in this industry a long time. Oh dude, we all, we, all, all of us turned into Charlie Brown’s teacher at one time. We were all want, want, want, want, want, want, we all do it. Yeah. And then when you have like engineering or product teams, right. That’s where I’d say Harding credential, which is still doing two factor, but using something like a physical hardware key that you take into your laptop, um, that, that, you know, really can’t get stolen. And isn’t fishable is, is a key thing. And those RSA keys, I miss those, those, Oh God, the rolling, the rolling six or what was it? An eight to eight or nine digit. Yeah. I, our RSA is why I went to duo. I had to deploy it for customers and it was so difficult. And when Doug, I met him at a meet up one day and he shows me this push based authentication, then I go home and I’m an account executive at that time. And I installed it on my windows, computer, and it’s done. And So Pat, Pat, let me ask you a question. This has been driving me nuts. Dave, you can attest to this for probably, probably as long as you’ve known me for as long as MFA has come out. Okay. This is gonna be the, uh, the, the debit card conversation. Yes. Hasn’t visa and MasterCard enabled MFA because how many purchases you make a day, maybe four or five. Right. And if I’m at the gas station, I’m buying $55. Why can’t I get a push note to my phone saying, is this you, or do you authorize this and say, yes. And then you just eliminated the entire credit card stealing industry overnight. Like why? Yeah. I, I assume there’s somebody smart in those companies that have, that are looking at this shit, but I can’t imagine why they’re not doing well. And like you said, we’ve about this on the show before, You know, what do you do if you’re in a place where, you know, you have no connectivity or, you know, the cell connection’s bad. And so you can’t get that pop up when you’re trying to make the purchase at the grocery store, by the hunting cabin up North that, you know, has one cell tower, every a hundred miles. You know what I mean? It’s there’s, there are practical that you bring cat. Oh, but they don’t want you to have cash anymore. Ooh. You see where I’m going with this? Okay. Yeah. And I have a lot of experience in the space, so I moved to Europe for a year. Right. And that’s what they do is chip and pin for everything. It’s more about government regulation than anything. Number one, the government mandates in Europe because they know that that eliminates fraud. Um, the, the tough thing in the U S right, is like, well, now I got to switch out all my point of sales systems. I gotta switch out credit card processing. So naturally the, you know, the, the companies push back on it. But I think what we saw with home Depot and their breach and target, that was really the start of the shift where it was like, Oh wow. This stuff just makes sense. Right. Like, And at least one of those, I think at least the target one didn’t they come through the point of sale system. Yeah. They ended up fault. It was default passwords. There was one of two default passwords. Yeah, yeah, Yeah. A combination of a POS. And then I think they originally got in through the OT system, like the HVAC system into the environment. Right. Which is so crazy. I mean, that’s stuff that nobody even thinks about. Like, Hey yeah, my nest cam is on my wireless network and it might be vulnerable who knew. Yep. And that was, you know, in 2012 I joined duo that was in 2013 and the CEO got fired. And literally if you go into target state and you buy a target and you get a target credit card chip and pin, every single one of them. Right. Like Interesting. Someone in Wyoming right now is looking, is watching you right now through your nest cam, just so you know. Uh, no, no, they’re not, well, actually they’re well through my Logitech cam. Yes. But not through my nest cam. Those are the studios, those almost always watching you and that well, and that’s, and that’s the funny thing, you know, and you know, I, I don’t, I don’t, I don’t want to get into a huge political thing about it, but like, everybody’s all, you know, conspiracy theory about, you know, there’s going to be a chip in the vaccine that comes out and all that stuff. And it’s, you know, dude, what, like, what do you think, what privacy do you think you still have as you’re posting your rage on your cell phone, that tracks you everywhere. You go to Facebook, which track not only tracks, but sells all the data they have about you everywhere you go. It really, what, what, what would that even matter? Like what I like the meme, it is, I hope the chip has a Doritos. Cause I like exactly. I’m pulling for Doritos. If everybody has to get a chip, I want it. And not even cool ranch. I want fiery nacho that’s that’s what I want. So I guess talk to me why the move to blue Mira, I guess duo obviously duo got bought by Cisco, Uh, to, to either fanfare or to booze. Um, you don’t have to say which side you were on. That’s I understand. Oh, no, I’ll talk about it openly. Um, no, I didn’t, you know, Cisco is a great company. Um, what I think is really cool is that acquisition at duo, um, was a great thing for, I’d say all of the employees, um, it opened up a ton of opportunity for everyone, uh, even myself. Right. Um, I got to go lead Cisco’s zero trust, got to go get a us landed, uh, top rate in the quadrant for that. Um, at Forrester, you know, they’re, they’re wave stuff Quick. Do you hear the, you hear that? That’s the phone ringing, that’s your Cisco rep calling? Cause it’s the end of July. I need their quarter last weekend. That’s why my buddy’s on vacation. All right. I was wondering maybe I, maybe I said that and no. Um, but yeah, they’re, they’re an incredible company, right? And you, you know, they typically grow by acquisition is the reality, right? Um, in duo was a great fit. They’ve made a ton of great acquisitions in the cloud space. Not only insecurity, but umbrella, you know, starting with Sourcefire then umbrella, uh, then duo those are going to be the bigger note, more notable ones, but they also acquired companies like Meraki a WebEx, um, like it or not. That’s always a joke. Um, uh, Yeah, it works. It’s a very usable tool is the reality. And it provides a service that, that, um, that people love. And so, you know, you look at Cisco and what they’ve done to transform from this like networking switch company. Right. Um, and I, and I went through CCNA Academy in high school. I sold Cisco when I was a sales rep back in the day, Hubs and routers and blinking lights, man. That’s that’s, that’s what they were the one thing that gets me about Cisco though, to this day, that route and switches 50% of their, their sales and an 80% margin. And they like don’t want to acknowledge it anymore. Cause they want to call themselves a software and a security company. It’s like, I can see you won’t, you know, I work for Cisco too. So it’s like, you know, that was half of our life was routing switch, but like no one wanted to call us around switch company by mine. Well, I think they’re, you know, they’re optimizing for future where that’s not the case. Right. Uh, and it’s still gonna make up a large portion of their revenue is the reality. But the other, yeah, the other side, I would say with Cisco is genuinely there’s, there’s a lot of great people, a great leadership. You’ve seen a leadership turnover and it’s a completely new leadership team. That’s from SAS companies. And I see that with my friends at duo, they’ve all kind of moved in and slotted into other positions and helping Cisco transform. And so you look at people like Pete Baker, head of creative at duo now taking on brand for Cisco security and simplifying it down so people can understand, uh, and buy and consume more easily and effectively. And that, you know, when, when you look at Cisco and see them number of line, they have, it’s really hard to navigate. That’s why you need a full time se that just builds bonds, bills of materials, right. Duo praying that Cisco treats them like Dell treated VMware kind of like let them do their thing. Yeah. They, they they’ve let both led duo do their thing as well as has embraced. Like you guys have a great culture, let’s insert you in even at a much higher level. Um, and so yeah, that’s, you know, really, really exciting to see. And everyone I know there, you know, everyone that I know there is really happy with the opportunities that they’ve been able to get from that acquisition. So it’s good. So Talk to me about blue marrow, where did, uh, where did you guys all come from? Yeah, so, um, the original founders, um, Matt and Steve, um, they spun out a networks group, a small, um, boutique security provider out of Ann Arbor and essentially like what they were, what they realized after doing red team testing and blue team and all this fun stuff, which I’m not, you know, that’s not my background, but red team is basically penetration testing. Trying to break in blue team is essentially trying to detect what’d I say, Oh, sorry. Oh man. Um, so much, so many jokes in security. Um, but yeah, the, the, you know, so they, they were like, well, every, every pen test is pretty much red in the major area was detection. People don’t have detection capabilities. So they started by creating, um, a platform to do effective detection of basic attacks. Right. And then started building on that. And what ended up happening is their focus was detection and response, but in reality, it ended up also being assumed. Um, and so it wasn’t, it wasn’t like let’s go build a SIM. It was, let’s go build effective detection response. That’s really easy and effective to use that scales. And then it also ended up collecting logs, uh, and, and, uh, being the centralization SIM function as well. And so by nature, the way that, that evolved ended up into this really easy to use and deploy product that did actually the function that it was supposed to do. And then as a result and ended up meeting this requirement of log aggregation and sin, um, in, in reporting and all that fun stuff that you get into when you get into compliance. And so, yeah, at first I was looking at, from an investment perspective, I’m like a managed service provider, reseller into building a SAS product is a really tough pivot. Most people don’t do that well or effectively. Uh, and so I spent time about a year with Steve and I’ve known Steve for 10 years just getting to know the company from an investment perspective, advising them for no cost, no investment. And that’s normally how my relationships developed with companies, uh, whether I’m investing or considering making, uh, making a move. Um, and yeah, I saw this opportunity where I was like, Oh, wow, well, your is you guys have a great engineering team and great product. And you have customers that love you, but nobody, absolutely nobody knows who you are. Uh, and so that’s, that’s kind of the function I came on and go to market is how do we tailor the product, the message, um, and the go to market. So people first off know who the company is and what they do. Um, and that that’s, you know, for me, it was an opportunity to go build again, which I love doing. Um, uh, that’s really where my passion is in there, that I saw that opportunity there and, uh, to kind of bring a lot of what I learned from duo. Um, and then I get emotional. Um, but then yeah, be able to, to make the impact and build this into something that essentially democratize a security and another area of the security in it space is, you know, is just where my passion is. So, uh, yeah, it’s, it’s been amazing and fun. I mean, COVID certainly throws a rent, you know, threw a wrench for a little while. Uh, I joined in January. And so when you build all your pipeline, for instance, in sales, higher education, or I’m sorry, healthcare higher education and, um, government in Michigan, like in Michigan, uh, that was, that was like the first to get hardest impact, right. Pivot. But that allowed us to spend the time. We literally just stopped focusing on sales at that point and just honed in on let’s get our marketing right. And our go to market. And that’s why you see us on your LinkedIn feed every, every two minutes, Two and a half minutes. Yeah. So the, I mean the SIM space is to say it’s convoluted. It’s kind of an understatement. You’ll have you have, you know, bear log vendors, like alien vault that get bought by 18 T you have the [inaudible] vendors that think that their shit don’t stink because they do machine learning. And then you have the Splunks that charge throw 14 kazillion dollars just for a POC. I mean, where, where did you guys see that you fit into this whole mess of a, of a vendor space? Well, yeah, first off I’m no different than when I went to duo. Everyone was like, why wouldn’t you go to a two factor authentication company and security, nobody cares about security. That’s this was 2012. Right. Uh, wow. That changed. Um, but two factor authentication. You had RSA Vasco, Jamal. I mean, I could name 50 vendors at the time. Why would you go into the payer space that saturated? Well, the reality is, is like, yeah, nobody uses it because it’s a barrier and it’s hard to use and it’s difficult. Yeah. Cause if nobody’s doing it right, why not try to make it right? Yeah. Yeah. And so, so what I saw with Doug was a minimum viable product with customers. Right. Uh, and, and I can’t attribute to what Doug and John own built, um, from a foundational perspective. Right. A big part in helping them scale. Uh, but, uh, yeah, it was a shift in market and everyone told me, don’t go to this company. You’re like, you’re, you’re stupid. I mean, CEOs, advisors, friends, I, I don’t know a single person that said do this. Um, I think, um, similarly with Lumira everyone’s like, why would you get in the SIM space? Like everyone hates him. There’s a hundred different vendors out there. Nobody does it really, that well, or effectively requires tons of tons of expertise and tons of it and the security resources to deploy it effectively. Yeah. And it’s expensive. And so, um, I’m not going to say that some of these products don’t work really well, but they only work really well. If you have the team resources and expertise to actually get them deployed. And in what I saw in blue mirror is, Oh, wow. An it guy that was here for a year, um, maybe has two to three years of experience just deployed in about four hours, uh, without any support or help, like that’s democratizing security. Oh. And we can deliver it at a cost point. That’s reasonable. I’m not going to say we’re cheaper necessarily. Most, some products, you know, it is commoditized. But so it was two factor when I joined duo. Um, and so that’s, that’s really the, the play here in joining blue Mira in our go to market. And what we’re doing is really helping organizations of any size. And typically our customers, you know, end up in the range of between 520 500 employees. We have some that are more than that. And we have some that are less than that, but yeah, to be able to, in a couple hours have full detection and response capabilities, um, without having to go to training or hire someone who has expertise, like that’s just not something in the market today. And I, you know, that kind of dovetails in with, you know, the, the conversation we were getting into a little bit where it’s good, that you don’t need to try to find somebody with a lot of skills and expertise available because well, there are none in the market right now. They’re, they’re all booked. Yes. And the other thing with that is the reality that yeah, most of the people in these roles now are coming in junior. They have some it skills and no security experience. And so even, even from a product perspective, we provide the detection alert, right. So, Hey, this is the problem. And then we provide a playbook on what to do. Here’s the PowerShell script to go run on this host, here’s the information you need to do. Here’s how to do the blockbuster automatically do it. So that’s the thing is actually servicing of what to do, helps those people actually learn a new skill as well. Uh, which is pretty unique if you think about it, cause you’re actually training your people through product, um, which is pretty, pretty impactful and useful to most organizations. Yeah. I mean, and you’ve seen, you’ve seen that model come up a lot lately where, you know, whether it’s, uh, you know, our buddies over at Detroit labs that couldn’t find app developers the way they wanted to. And so they started, you know, their apprentice program, uh, you know, to basically grow their own talent, uh, you know, CBI, uh, and a couple other Security companies started doing the exact same thing because of this shortage of talent. All right. Let’s just go ahead and start bringing in people that might be green and don’t have the skill set, but then we can build them and mold them exactly how we want them to be. Yup. And that’s I, and that’s a great approach because then you can’t, you also can make them into what you need. Right. And you have to reward them over time. Right. But, um, it’s, it’s great. I think also from a people perspective, I’m a, I’m a big fan of bringing people in with lower skill sets and, and upleveling them essentially, and molding them in, into what you need from an organizational perspective. It’s kind of supposed to be your job as an organizational leader. That’s, that’s what you’re supposed to be doing. But most, most, most organizations, that’s just not right. So quiet. This is outside of my wheelhouse for sure. It is too. I am more, uh, I’m a BI my day job is a e-learning developer. Okay. So you’re a coder. Uh, yeah. And I would say more client and customer support and documentation and heartsy technical writer, Randy. That’s not a bad thing. Yeah. But when I say technical writer, people think I write like RFPs or spectrum, things like that. And I write customer documentation. So yeah. Documentation is valuable. The other thing I say, No, those developers aren’t going to write it. Yeah. Yeah. The most important thing about that. So I can really appreciate what you do. Like number one, I got to the company and all their documentation was behind Zendesk and I’m like, you’re immediately creating a barrier to entry. Right? Let’s get all this on the website and publicly accessible. Number one, it makes it easier for customers to access number two, all the benefits of SEO from all your documentation. So when someone Google searches for something like Apollo Alto SIM, even though one doesn’t exist, guess who they find, it’s not rocket science. Right. So things, things like that from, um, a tweak, you know, perspective technical writing is, uh, is highly underrated. Um, uh, you know, from my perspective. So how soon before a, so everybody realized cloud the word cloud was, was marketing bullshit about just someone else’s someone else’s computer. Yeah. Zero trust gonna take that same, uh, get kicked to the curb because if you look at it, what zero trust is, it’s, you know, identity access with two factor authentication. It’s, it’s really this isn’t rocket science. Right. Well, did we, you know, we talked about that, you know, Oh, it’s, it’s the cloud. So it’s shared web hosting from the early nineties. Right. And going in and going back even further. It’s, it’s, it’s getting time booked on the that’s that’s all I kind of laugh because, you know, zero trust, depending on who you asked means a hundred different things. And my, when I was building the go to market, but joke was like, we might as well just insert the word security. Right. Uh, that’s really what zero trust is, is it’s a modern security model. Um, and so it’s applying controls, like access control with two factor authentication. Um, depending on how deep you get into it, though, some of the things get really complicated. Like micro-segmentation, um, it’s not, and there’s products that are starting to even make that a little bit easier, but like, yeah, most organizations I interact with on a daily basis still aren’t segmenting their network, let alone doing micro-segmentation at an application level. Right, right. I see that face. It’s like, what’s, what’s micro-segmentation um, and that’s kind of, the point is zero. Trust has all these principles that are pretty complicated in, in difficult to comprehend or understand what I’m supposed to do. Um, and so it’s all about making those things simpler and easy to understand. Well, cause when we got introduced to it from the guy that invented F five or that founded a fi, and then we started seeing, so he built a called tempered networks. He started built, he built the zero trust product. And then we started seeing, like, Cisco says, we’ve got zero trust in. Then they say, we’ve got zero trust. And all of a sudden it’s like, everyone is kind of glommed onto that, that phrase. And it’s like, and everyone was doing it different. And then finally it was like, all right, put up all the breaks through that. What the hell is it now? It’s all about the enterprise paradigm spot. That’s that’s that’s, that’s what it’s all about. And synergies don’t forget synergies. They pivot, they pivoted you have to pivot. You have to pivot the synergies to, to change the enterprise paradigms. Yeah. That’s why it’s like insert the word secure zero trust is at its core. There’s two things. There is real zero trust. And then there’s the marketing term, zero trust. And essentially the whole market. If you went to RSA conference or black hat, every single booth said the word zero trust on top of it. Yeah. Look, we’re differentiating ourselves. Just like everyone else. Yeah. Great. That’s why I used to wear Hawaiian shirts to the punk bar. All you guys were in black, your conformance, I’m the one that’s. And fundamentally like there are some things you can look up. John kinder VOC originally was, is known as like the founder or, you know, I don’t know what you call them with zero trust. Um, Wendy neither, uh, is, is a great promoter of zero trust and talks about it in simple terms. Um, uh, chase Cunningham at Forester and Forester has a framework for zero trust, which is pretty pragmatic. Um, uh, they do a pretty good job and the Gardner has zero trust for networks, which is a component. Um, cause zero trust came out of Forester. So there’s a little bit of a budding heads in regards to analyst as well. Um, but yeah, those are some different resources like to learn more about zero trust in general, that is pragmatic. And under more understandable, I’d say I’m just happy. A fog computing never took off. I heard it. I cringed and I cringe all the way through until it’s. I think it’s inevitable death. Um, if you, you never heard it I’d take it. No. Is it on the blockchain? No. Some engineer at Cisco was like doing a tweener product. That was, it was, it’s not quite, it’s not quite on ground or on prem. It’s not quite in the cloud. So it’s the fog. No, I think it was just hybrid it like, you know, it was a mixture of, I think that’s what it was. I’ll have to Google it afterwards. It’s like completely lost frame of, but thank God. It never took off. Like they were trying to push it for like a quarter and then it died because everybody like said, I need a couple people mentioned it on sales calls and they got the middle finger. So I’m like, all right, yup. Not doing that. That’s talking about that. Yeah. The number, you know, the number one thing that people in product marketing, marketing and building companies do is they don’t talk to the customer. And so they end up building things that don’t make sense to them. They end up building technology that doesn’t work within their environment. It’s not rocket science, I’ll talk to sales. They don’t talk to the sales guys either. They just look at sales data. Okay. This shit sold. We must’ve worked. Yeah. And that is, that’s one of the keys and why duo was so successful and similar a blue Mira is like all our engineers and our product teams and our leadership team and sales. Like we’re all working together, interacting with customers on calls. And when you get that, when you get that synergy going, is that one of your words? It really changes that dynamic because like the engineering team’s like, Oh wow, sales actually is valuable to us. You know? And then the other thing I’d say is the power of saying no. Um, you know, I’m, I’m acting as se right now for our sales team and in a ton of different roles. Right. Um, but we’re okay with saying, Hey, we don’t have integration for you right now. We’re going to do that down the road. We’ll come back to you. But focus on the customers, you know, you can drive and be helped be successful in that’s another, you know, another thing that more product companies need to do is focus more on what’s aligned with what they have today versus just selling stuff. That’s not on the truck. Yeah. And that was always, everybody got excited about, you know, Ooh, this is a, you know, all of the problem was too, you would talk to customers and they want to know your roadmap. Right. So as soon as they see something, 2024, and they’re like, I want that. And you’re like, well, shit, that’s not on the truck, you know, but then that’s what they want. And God knows it would never get delivered until you can have it then maybe right Guy now, and then you can refresh then. Right. So that’s, that’s the first thing I do in any conversation about futures. Hey, here’s when we plan to deliver, but I can’t promise that, uh, and I, at duo, we, there was only one contract we ever signed in lifetime of the company that was pending on doing a feature and it was strategic to our business. Right. It ended up being our Epic integration and that’s it, nothing else. Um, and so the, you know, being able to stand by that and live by that is, um, uh, you know, pretty important principle to build a good product. Sure. So what have you been watching? Uh, during the, during the quarantine? Uh, my wife liked to watch like tra trashy reality TV. Uh, sometimes it’s good to, you know, watch other people. Um, yeah, I’m trying to think anything else. That’s Things are weird, but at least I’m not them. Supermarkets. Sweet kind of changed my life. I am not Joe exotic. I am not anybody affiliated with him. My life as weird as my life gets I’m I’m doing all right. I’m good. Yeah. My, my hair doesn’t look like that. Marcy Darcy chick from a supermarket sweep, right. I’m not fighting international customs over my 90 day. Fiance. What I find about the security industry though, is like companies have tried to like get those commercials almost of those people. And I think that’s sometimes funny. It’s like, what does Joe exotic have to do with like endpoint detection? Right. Um, it’s kind of crazy. I can relate to it and go, I know that guy, that must be a good, that guy uses a Cisco router. I hope that’s not how people are making product decisions. Holy, how that’s almost, almost exclusively how that’s going. I’m quite sure. Michael Jordan eats McDonald’s so that must be a good dude. I can’t dude. I used to subscribe to, I used to keep a subscription to CIO magazine just because I knew my CIO subscribed to it. And so I wanted to be ready for whatever dumb ass article he’d read that month. That was going to be the flavor of the week that I was going to have to be prepared to shoot down, you know, in the next meeting that we were going into. Yeah. It is some, a lot of it is pay to play. Right. Um, a lot of those publications, it’s like, that’s essentially what you’re doing for viewers. Yeah. Hey, you buy a big enough ad you. Yeah. We’ll do a seven page spread on how phenomenal your product is. Sure. What did I have? The one thing that blew our mind, Dana and I got, it was like a top 10, whatever. And you got to go to Vegas and go on the stage. You get your award, but it was like 2,500 bucks a head or something. It was like five grand. And it’s like, wait a minute. So all these hassles that put this little trophy on their website, they just paid for it. Like, And it’s like Silicon Valley review. Like these are like, did you, uh, did you, did you just get the one on via LinkedIn the other day? That’s I wanted to, I wondered if you got that too. And it was bringing yeah. Yeah. It was like, I like the email I got today from the sales guy at one of the magazines. He’s like, Hey, we’re going to do an article on blue Mira. We really like what you’re doing. Uh, Oh. And by the way, we have this offer where if you want to pay you, can, you have rights to publicize that you were in the article. Right. And I was like, Hey, that’s great. We’ll be in the article. But like, I don’t have the budget and I’m not going to pay for this. Right. And immediately he’s like, Oh, sorry, have a great day. He responded back. I’m like, You have to pay to publicize that you were in this article. How does, how does that work? Like, wait, what do you, how many people read? So I give you the content. And then I have to pay you to tell people that I gave you the kid. They did. JTFO if you realize that how many publications in town are by full page ad three months later. Oh, Hey, no rhymes with train. So, I mean, I was going to make a joke about that earlier, Patrick. I’m like, you know how soon before you guys cut the $300,000 check the gardener to get in their quadrant. Oh. So at duo, we never did the quadrants. And the reality is, is you don’t really feel like there is a newer space. I think with one of them, like XDR, which has extended detection and response. That’s, that’s probably more the area we’re in. So you don’t fit in like as an, as a company, that’s doing something different. You don’t fit in quadrant, old technology fits in quadrant. Right. So, uh, the desire to be in quadrant necessarily in a lot of cases, isn’t that high at this stage, because you’re just saying I copied everyone else and I’m not as good as them. Um, it is essentially, and I’m not really innovating. So like, yeah. I think there’s a balance, right? Like yes. In my, do I have conversations at times? Yes. Uh, actively. Yeah. Um, we’re not in the pay to play game. Um, uh, right now at a later stage, you get into that, uh, when you, you know, when you go raise a hundred million dollars, I think people are wise to it though. I think people are wise to it. Um, I worked for a SAS vendor that was in the [inaudible] space and, uh, they were, they were the farthest rights, but they weren’t top. Right. So like all their marketing was, you know, and how much did you pay for that? You know what I mean? And, uh, and everybody would, that’s the first thing they say, like, I’m farthest, right? They’re like, yeah. So what everybody pays, you know, it held no credence at the customer site. You had to prove out your POC and have a decent price. And then they, you know, What I, what I can tell you is like, uh, chase Cunningham, run on the Forester, zero wave. He runs a legit program, like, uh, the best I’ve seen from an analyst perspective, um, uh, where he’s really getting hands on and diving in pretty deep. And most analysts really reality is, is they never get hands on product, never touch anything. And they have, you know, they have some expertise, but like not, not necessarily deep hands on. And so they’re not necessarily the best to say what product actually is the most effective either. Um, uh, from my experience as well. That’s not reflective of all analysts, but I think a significant part of them. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess let’s paint a picture who your perfect customer, obviously you gave us the, the seat size, right. 500 seats to 2,500 could be a little bigger. It could be a little smaller. Um, do they have SOC analysts on site? Are they hiring a third party to monitor the log files? I guess paint me a picture of, uh, you know, are they, are they fed up and overpaying on, on vendor X or are they new to this game? Like what’s the, is there a perfect, is there a perfect vendor? Perfect. Yeah. That’s yeah. That’s a great question. Um, typically, you know, it’s going to be an organization that might have anywhere between one and 20 people in it. And believe me, I, you know, I was, there’s a company that has 150 locations and has two people on it. That’s, that’s crazy. Uh, I don’t know. I don’t know how they do it. Right. Um, they have it titles, right. And then we have customers that might have anywhere from zero to five people in it, security, um, uh, are security focused. Right. Um, and so, you know, that’s really the demographic of where we’re playing most. What I see is we’re starting to go up market now into these larger customers because the tools are too complicated. They’re overwhelming. It’s not giving the analysts what they need, and they’re spending tons of time tuning and tweaking the existing products. And essentially like, you know, some of my friends have teams of people that have literally are sitting there three or four people responding to false positives all day long. Um, and so that, that’s a real reality. So by nature, what’s nice. And it’s organic for us is we’re getting pulled into larger size companies that do have SOC, uh, that have a more established or sophisticated SOC because those people go and leave because they can make a ton more money somewhere else. Cause that’s the security industry, um, likely a bigger company or a tech company or something of that nature. And now I don’t have anybody to do the work they did before. And the existing tool set doesn’t work for the team that they brought on. Um, and so, yeah, that, that’s one interesting thing. And it happened at duo duo. His target market was zero to 500 when I started. And then we got pulled up to the point where we had 50% of the hospital systems in the U S using the product and every higher, higher education across the U S um, so yeah, that, you know, that’s, you know, where we, where we fit in right now and where we’re best is that, you know, 500 to 5,000, in some cases to even a hundred, a hundred a user organizations. Um, and then in some cases into the five to 15,000 companies, depending on the environment need Cool. Anything else you got for us? We’ll uh, if not, we’ll, we’ll cut you loose, but yeah, this has been a, there’s been a great convo. We’ve been, uh, we’ve been typically just talking about COVID for like the last three months. So it’s, it’s nice to talk about geek stuff again. Well, I was laughing because I think earlier you were talking about like, uh, the school aspect. Um, and I don’t know if you know this, my dad’s a teacher, uh, while you wouldn’t know that, but I think that unions are actually gonna force the issue and shut down the schools, regardless of what they want to do. Uh, teachers don’t want to be a sitting duck and put their lives Sarah’s um, Well, not only that, but just liability. Sure. Yeah. Um, and so I think the reality is, is like most kids are not going to go back to school. So, um, you know, enjoy the time with them. I’m trying to plan ahead for winter right now, because all this stuff you’re going to want when it gets called, it’s going to be sold out. Uh, so you probably should start thinking about that now Paper by all the toilet paper. Well, I’m insulating my garage putting a heater in, but that’s not like heaters are probably going to be out of stock. Went through. It would be my guess. Yeah, Well, no. I mean, that’s, that’s, I mean, that’s, that’s a huge thing. I mean, like, you know, my niece is a teacher and I’ve got a bunch of buddies and friends that are teachers and, you know, as confused and worried and, you know, freaked out and feeling uninformed as parents are, don’t have any illusions that they are not in the exact same boat, if not worse than you are, because you’re worried about your kid or kids. And going back to school, they’re worried about how am I going to handle a classroom full of kids? You know? I mean, it’s, yeah. It’s imagine the first week of parent drop off and then times that by about 35 million and that’s what it’s going to be like, I’ve always said, hell is an elementary school parking lot. So yeah, there’s no always, always Patrick Oracle, where can we find you online? Obviously Patrick Garrity at LinkedIn. And unless you want your, uh, hit the unfollow button, unless you want your feed filled with all your Oh no, I connect to almost everyone that seems reasonable. Uh, Patrick M Garrity on LinkedIn, you can connect to me, uh, blue mirror.com. Uh, yeah. PLU and my RA. Yes. Blu M I R a. You guys ready to start? Blu E M E R a Oh, Oh. There’s like a hundred different spellings. And this is one of the things when I was looking at coming to the company, I was like, Hey, what are you guys willing to change the name of the company? Um, and the founders were, um, however reality is, is like, Hey, the name works, uh, it’s combination of blue team and Mira, which is, um, vision and stance. Um, and so the idea is right, uh, you know, vision into real, real threats within your environment. So, uh, we decided to roll with it. Uh, I’m embracing it. And it’s a, it’s a lot of fun, but yeah, you, haven’t got to, I think a lot of the domains already registered, um, from what I’ve seen, but there’s about a hundred different variations. Oh, for sure. You gotta have the.co you gotta have the.com. It’s where it’s at Or the.io these days. Anyway, Patrick has been a great convo. We’d definitely love to have you back in the, in the future, but we definitely appreciate shedding some light on the, uh, security industry and about a blue mirror. So, yeah. Thanks for, uh, appreciate hanging out with us if you want. We usually hit, uh, topics of the week. If you want to hang out, you’re more than welcome to chime in. Uh, we usually all our pop culture, crap and all our stories we read. So you’re more than welcome to hang out or, or you can drop off and we’ll, uh, we’ll see, on the other side, Yeah. I’ll stick around for a little bit. Awesome. So, um, the bomb got dropped Dave, and that you can mock me till the year to the C I like admitting things when I’m wrong. And this was, I couldn’t have been more wrong. My whole life is flipped upside down. And see, I thought, I thought you were trying to claim that you were having a Mandela effect a moment with this one. So I sat and watched, um, Randy, I sat and watched Saturday night, Rocky, one 76, Rocky. And if you ever sit and watched it today, it’s kind of a trash film and throw it absolutely is it’s garbage polys. It makes no sense. It’s kind of weird with poly going you ball and my sister, which the weird movie, take it to the zoo. Yeah. I thought Rocky one at the end, and then he didn’t win. And I was like, what kind of bullshit is this? Like my whole, like, literally for my adult life, I thought Rocky one at the end. Cause, cause if he had one, there wouldn’t, there would be no need for Rocky to rematch. But like, literally I’m watching this and I’m like, you just yelled at Adrian and I’m like, wait a minute, lady. Literally, I was like, and I couldn’t go to bed for like another hour after that until like three in the morning, because I was freaking dumbfounded about that stupid movie. Now I’m going to get mocked for the rest of my life about that one godfather. I mean, that, that, that was a damn shame that you made it as old as you did and had never seen the godfather. I mean, that’s, I still don’t understand how you made that work. Uh, if it wasn’t for what’s going on. I think in Portland and Seattle and Chicago and Baltimore, we would, the whole news would be freaking out about UFOs. Um, it’s, it’s it, if you’re looking for it, it’s UFO galore. Like they have the, the one is the GI Joe cube that keeps going in and out of the sun. So yeah, the Borg, uh, that, that are apparently coming at us out there, we’re coming at ya and I’m still, I’m still half convinced. That’s like a burnt out pixel in one of the telescopes that’s pointed out it. But, but I mean, it’s, it’s a better story if it’s the Borg coming to get us. Cause you know what, at point in 2020, why The hell? Not because, I mean, if you look at the photos and the way they look, I mean, it does, it looks like the Borg cube coming out of the sun and they said it’s what 350 something times bigger than the earth. Uh, I lose my geek red. What is the word? I didn’t Google the Borg D start trying to watch star Trek the next generation. No, thank God I did. All right. I’m I’m glad I asked that question. No. Okay. So yeah. Corner of your gift card. That’s fine, Dude. I’m not even a star Trek fan and I know who the Beauregard like, but With me it was the GI Joe energy cubes or, or Transformers, the energy on cubes. Yeah. Same thing. Yeah. But yeah, so there’s that, I mean, you know, the Pentagon says they’re declassifying stuff and throwing it out there. And all I know is what a great time for Hulu to have just added all the seasons and the movies of the X files. Cause you know, now who needed sleep, why not? Do you watch the Fourcade videos from Mars? Yes. For the 4k pictures. And one of the ones I watched, it was interesting because they’re like, well, you know, a lot of people ask us why not videos? Why send pictures? It was like for one, cause we can only transmit in 32 K and we can only transmit to two megabit per second. Um, like for two hours a day or something when it lines up properly. Um, and for one the other one is they don’t change the pictures. Don’t change, nothing changes. So like what video wouldn’t matter. Cause the picture is the same. Right? Well, so, and it’s funny cause now I’m envisioning a whole bunch of nerds at like mission control and NASA kind of like us on like a 1989 dial up waiting for like Pamela Anderson’s boob to load like that’s, that’s kinda cool. The one, the funny thing was, is they showed the two dead rovers. One of them fell into like a sand trap and got stuck in died. And then the other one got hit with like a sand storm and literally froze to death. And so like there’s showing like the carcass of these rovers and like taking pictures of it. Um, It’s a thing, but I dude, I’m, I’m here for it. You know? I’ve I’ve I, I hope that the, you know, maybe somebody, they finally come out, just go, yeah, they’ve been here the whole time. They we’ve known the whole time. That’s how it’s going to be. Cool. I’ve watched each and ancient aliens enough to know that they’re here. They’ve been here forever. I’ve I’ve always said, if you, you know, you just, just do the math. It is an extremely egotistical point of view to think that with all the stars and all the planets and all the, everything across the entire universe, that we’re the only ones that, that showed up that had a brain. I can do it. And like I said, people it’s just been, it’s been an avoidance thing. Like we, I truly believe like we are the Jehovah’s witnesses of the universe because we keep like knocking on people’s doors going, Hey, are you home? Hey, do you have a minute to talk? Hey, we’re here. We just like to have a word with you and say, I would avoid us too. Did, um, Did you see, uh, the meme of the week, by the way? Uh, that, uh, the next Halloween movie is, is going? Yeah. So the next Halloween movie is going to be about Michael Myers being confused that no one’s on the streets to kill and then meeting some angry black lady yelling at him for wearing a mask. Yeah. I think that’d be a, if you’d call that Halloween 20, 20 Kenny powers, if you’re listening, you wrote the last one that was kind of a trash. That should be a South park. That should, that should be the episode. South park comes back with Dude. And I don’t want to talk about masks anymore. Cause I’m so tired of it, but what the hell is wrong with people? But like if it gotta be, where do you want me to start? Some guys stabbed somebody because they told him he wasn’t like, is this how far we got like people, people don’t understand that private businesses have private. I have rights. Yeah, no, absolutely. This is they think, they think Menards is a public park. Yeah. Yeah, no, you, you, you do not have a right to go into a store. You don’t, that’s not how that works. Get me is even the employees don’t understand it because like, if you’re filming me and I work at dairy queen and like I have every, you can’t, I can’t ever right to film you and the employees don’t even understand it. Or like actually no, you don’t. This is private business. Yeah. Okay. Well, and one of the points, like one party recording is only permissible. If you believe that there is the commission of a crime happening. Yeah. And that’s only in like half the States, like most States are Michigan. Michigan is like that. Yeah. There’s a lady that was wearing a mask at a dog park. There was a couple having lunch without masks. So we’re eating and she walks over and maces them in the face and then walks away. And like people think that this is, Well, then people wanted to yell at Rick flair because he wasn’t wearing a mask while he was driving, driving. Like I thought you’re not supposed to, you don’t need to like, I don’t, I don’t get it. Like I, I’m not gonna, I’m not gonna, I look cyanide at people that are wearing masks while they’re driving by themselves, in their car with a mask on I’m like, are, are you that worried about making yourself sick? Like what, what what’s going on? We saw a guy today with one driving and I was like, come on, man. Like, I guess good on you. But I mean, I get it. And maybe, maybe, I mean, if that’s your way of never forgetting to put it on, is that you just don’t take it off. Good for you. You know, me personally, I, you know, do they’re not, especially what like hot, humid days like today. Um, no, they’re not comfortable to be wearing, so yeah. As soon as I get in the car that effort’s coming off, um, you know, and I’m breathing in as much nice cold freezing areas. Again, I did buy one, by the way, I found it on Etsy. Um, somebody’s making crown Royal bags and putting a filter in them and making BA masks. Oh dude, that started the bartending memes page. Somebody was selling those like the second week of March. Oh, crown. Cause it was like, Oh my God. Yeah. I finally found a use for all these damn crown Royal bags that I’ve got laying around. Speaking of buying stupid shit on the internet. Um, for some reason, you know, how my feed comes across and like, I need to have that shirt. So I go and buy that shirt and it was like an eight, $9 tee shirt. And I was like $4, $3 shipping. Right. And my wife goes, you got something from Poland today. And I go, what? And it’s an envelope and it’s all in Polish, every everything that’s written and transcribed on the, on the envelope. And I open it up and it’s my guy named t-shirt from Facebook. And I go to like, maybe Dude, a lot of them, a lot of them are coming from overseas printing companies. Like, and, and that’s sort of like, that’s one of the things to keep in mind because I’ve clicked through a few of those t-shirt ads and be careful and make sure you’re reading the ad or the pages that you land on after you click the ad. Because a lot of them are saying basically, Hey, this is the equivalent of a Kickstarter. And if we get enough orders, we’re going to print these. Not that, you know, we actually have them in, they’re in stock and they’re ready to ship. And our estimated ship date currently is like two months from now. If, if I had to do a Kickstarter for a super friends, t-shirt, I’m going to send them a better my shit. I swear to God. Um, by the way, um, I’m so mad at trader Joe’s right now. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. Like, is it not, is it funny or is it not funny? So like, if you don’t know what I’m talking about, trader Joe’s has like some, some, uh, some Mexican food, frozen food, You know, they have like, you know, Asian food and it’s, you know, their brand, their in house brand is trader Ming’s. Uh, their, their, their Mexican food is trader Jose. Uh, and then what’s the other one, uh, trader Giotto, uh, for the Italian, for the Italian section. Um, and, and, and they’re changing them all or just eliminating them, But who looked at those and got angry to everyone, like, Oh, they thought it was either cute or they didn’t care. Like as chef Boyer, deacon The chef with the Mo like, is it like, is that going to have to go away now? Cause, cause it’s spelled not right, because it’s a stereotypical Italian guide, whatever I Cracker jacks named after a person though, it doesn’t matter. So as aunt Jemima was named after her person. Oh, and you know what, we did not shoot this did not make the list. Cause I forgot to email it to you, but I totally want to talk about this whole thing at Blake’s. Um, so Blake’s, uh, the, the place up in, I think it’s our made up, um, got all lit up. Oh yeah, I do. They’re phenomenal. Um, you know, and you know, you go Apple picking. I mean, it’s like a fall, you know, cider and donuts. I mean, like that’s a tradition around here got all lit up, uh, because they canceled, uh, an or requested somebody cancel an event on them. Um, social media then blew up, um, all over them, uh, because they were like, Oh, well you just hate Trump and she’s a Trump and that’s why you canceled the event. And I’m never shopping there again and rubber era without reading, of course, without reading anything. Uh, yeah. And so, you know, one of the, one of the family members actually put out a video, uh, that described the situation. So basically this lady wanted to hold. She told them she wanted to hold like a private, uh, event, like a private little fundraiser thing and everything was going to, you know, it was going to be small, tight, whatever, and then started posting on Facebook. Uh, she creates the event, you know, basically makes it look like Blake’s as a sponsor of the event. Um, and announces that it’s going to be a public rally with speakers and it’s going to be this, that, and the other thing. And so, no, Blake’s, didn’t cancel the event because it was a, a Republican holding the event. Blake’s canceled the event because you told them you were having a small event and then announced that you were having a huge event. And that is not something Blake’s is comfortable supporting or hosting at this time. I honestly hope people read and, and realize that that was the story because obviously, you know, I’m going to point in my life now where I’m, I’m looking at eight different sources of five before I even make an emotional judgment. It’s take, you know, the analogy that I gave somebody I’m like, look, dude, like, you know, Know, cause we do, you know, we’ve got a couple of the studios open now. Um, and I said, you know, I said, if I tell somebody and they agree that, Hey, there’s the capacity in the studios right now is for period. End of story. Anything above that, you’re bringing people in

What is up? Thank you for hanging out with us. Once again. It's money night. It is time for the it in the D show. This is episode three 58 broadcasting live from our quarantine homes. This is Bob, the sales guy that is Dave. The geek Randy. I do the Twitters is doing the Twitter, his finest online it in the D dot comma. Do us a favor. Give us a like on the socials and subscribe to us everywhere. Fine. Podcasts are sold. Yeah. So, Hey everybody, I'm again, this is usually where we talk about our events and we're still not having any, so moving right along Chicka boom, Chicka, boom. He's a looking, I do not anticipate in August of any, even if it is outdoors.     Yeah. It's yeah. I mean, looking at everything going on. I mean, I'm keeping an honestly, I'm keeping a closer eye on what's going on, what door what's going to go on with schools right now, more than anything else. Um, but it's uh, yeah, I I'm, let's just say, yeah, it's not looking good. No, but the show must go on. And now we are joining where luckily joined. We were, we had him scheduled out right. When the suitors were still open. We had to come. I think this was back in March or April. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. And he's shot me a note and said, Hey, I still want me on. I said, yeah, it's not a bad time. So, uh, we're joined by the, uh, the illustrious one. Mr. Pat Garrity. How you doing, sir? Great. Thanks for having me on the show today. Yeah. Thanks for joining us. Appreciate it now. Um, before we get into it, now, you're the VP of engineering at blue Mira operations, operations. I oversee product marketing sales. Got it. I mean, do everything, whatever needs to get them Every, uh, every once in a while we run into, I run into someone at an event. They basically takes over my LinkedIn feed and I like to congratulate you on my LinkedIn feed. That's great to hear. Hey, it's not, you can attribute that. Not to me too, is a amazing, she does content marketing for, for a, I almost said duo, but blue Mira. Um, and, uh, yeah, it's been amazing. The work that she does and also like our security team is creating a ton of the content as well, and trying to make useful stuff for people, uh, in the security industry. So, so you're just putting it all out there, trying to look important and smart is what you're saying. You're not actually creating any of it. You're just, Yeah, I can't, you know, some bit idea wise, um, pointing people in the right direction, but yeah, the team, the team is truly the ones working on that and publishing some cool stuff and some free tools and whatnot. That's awesome. So one of the reasons I was intrigued about having you on the show is a, that I think blue mirror is doing some very cool stuff. And B you kind of have a long history with, uh, you know, with duo, which is kind of a, one of the big, big wind stories. And, you know, and see, I want to talk about what everyone is. Is there a shift in security focus with, with everybody working from home now and, you know, you can kind of reassess your place in the world. So I guess let's start there if your, your, your company X, and you've got half your company or all your company working from home, and you can kind of sit back and look at your, I guess, security strategy. Are you changing right now? Or are you simplifying, are you getting more complex? What what's on everybody's mind right now? Yes, sir. Certainly simplifying, um, is one of the big themes. I think everyone had these ideas of three to five year cloud migrations, um, moving from on premise to cloud. We see that everywhere. Uh, it's essentially accelerated adoption of all of that. And the reality is, is, Oh man, we didn't have security controls in place. And any on any of those things, we weren't set up for remote work. And now all of a sudden our VPN, you know, has a thousand people on it concurrently smoke. Yeah. Yeah. So, so even, you know, I look at it,

The Pod Squad catches up with former Magic player and current Pistons Assistant GM Pat Garrity. He talks about his time in Orlando, the Heart and Hustle team, playing with T-Mac, the coronavirus outbreak, and more.

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The Pistons finally made news, as Ed Stefanski and the front office is finally going to hire a general manager. Sweet Jesus, finally. Host Matt Schoch has all sorts of takes about the development, including the future of Pat Garrity and Malik Rose, recommendations for the hire and how Stefanski put the new hire in an awkward spot at the wrong time. Today's episode is brought to you by Built Bar. Built Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKEDON,” and you’ll get $10 off your first order. Mima Remedies is making high quality CBD products right here in Michigan. Go to mimaremedies.com and use promo code "LOCKEDON" for 25% off your order” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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This week, Gottlieb discusses the Lakers vs. Clippers as a fit for Kawhi and other free agency news with L.A. Times NBA writer Dan Woike, why the sweepstakes has been good for the Lakers' brand, how Kawhi to the Clippers could permanently change their brand. Pistons Asst. GM Pat Garrity discusses his fascinating path from Notre Dame to playing in the NBA, to the front office in Detroit. Download, rate and subscribe here to get the latest All Ball Podcasts: Learn more about your ad-choices at https://news.iheart.com/podcast-advertisers

Subscribe here to the All Ball with Doug Gottlieb Podcast https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/all-ball-with-doug-gottlieb/id1358843497?mt=2.  This week, Gottlieb discusses the Lakers vs. Clippers as a fit for Kawhi and other free agency news with L.A. Times NBA writer Dan Woike, why the sweepstakes has been good for the Lakers' brand, how Kawhi to the Clippers could permanently change their brand. Pistons Asst. GM Pat Garrity discusses his fascinating path from Notre Dame to playing in the NBA, to the front office in Detroit. Download, rate and subscribe here to get the latest All Ball Podcasts: Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com

Subscribe here to the All Ball with Doug Gottlieb Podcast https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/all-ball-with-doug-gottlieb/id1358843497?mt=2.  This week, Gottlieb discusses the Lakers vs. Clippers as a fit for Kawhi and other free agency news with L.A. Times NBA writer Dan Woike, why the sweepstakes has been good for the Lakers' brand, how Kawhi to the Clippers could permanently change their brand. Pistons Asst. GM Pat Garrity discusses his fascinating path from Notre Dame to playing in the NBA, to the front office in Detroit. Download, rate and subscribe here to get the latest All Ball Podcasts: Learn more about your ad-choices at https://news.iheart.com/podcast-advertisers

DCOCD is the DC Comics Events podcast where we discuss, score and rank every single DC event in order starting with 1985's Crisis on Infinite Earths up to... we're not sure yet. This time Paul, Mike and special guest Abel Padilla travel to the 853rd century via the 1998 event DC One Million from the creative team of Grant Morrison, Val Semieks, Prentice Rollins, Ken Lopez, Pat Garrity and Dan Raspler.   When you finally come back to today, head over to Comicosity.com to check out the DCOCD event ladder to see where this one sits on the list.  If you have thoughts, opinions, encouragement or gripes, please feel free to contact us at DCOCDCast@gmail.com and on twitter @DCOCDCast KEEP ON EVENTING!

In this week's episode, Vince Ellis chats with newly promoted Detroit Pistons associate general manager Pat Garrity about a wide range of topics.

Mario Hezonja and Croatia begin their Olympic medal quest. The 21-year-old was able to walk at the opening ceremony and seems to be enjoying himself. France looks to already be regretting leaving Evan Fournier at home. Damjan Rudez will be joining the Magic, which means Frank Vogel could be looking at 3 former Pacers on his new squad. Penny tells a unique Pat Garrity story. The preseason schedule is out, and what that means for Orlando. Elfrid Payton was voted 'best teammate' according to the NBAPA's polling. Finally, the Magic official Twitter account is polling fans on who the Top 25 players in franchise history are, and the results have not gone well so far. Warning: Adult Language www.MagicBasketballOnline.com Song: To Eris - To Eris

Scientists from Army Materiel Command have developed the Dismounted Soldier System in hopes for a more efficient and effective training option. Available in high definition.