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The Cardone Zone – Episode 313: Be Dangerous, Not Careful  What separates those who achieve extraordinary success from those who spend their lives playing it safe? In this unforgettable episode of The Cardone Zone, Grant Cardone is joined by Tyrese Gibson and Drew Brees for a powerful conversation on vision, preparation, relationships, and the courage required to pursue greatness. From Tyrese's rise in South Central Los Angeles to becoming a global entertainer and entrepreneur, to Drew Brees' Hall of Fame career and success in business, both guests reveal the mindset shifts that allowed them to break through limitations and perform at their highest levels. Tyrese shares his powerful philosophy of being "dangerous, not careful," while Drew breaks down the disciplined routines and preparation that made him one of the greatest quarterbacks in NFL history. Together, they deliver a blueprint for anyone looking to think bigger, act bolder, and create a life beyond the limits others place on them. Follow us on all social platforms @GrantCardone for daily content on wealth, business, entrepreneurship, sales, and the 10X mindset. Visit GrantCardone.com for upcoming events, exclusive training, and the latest products designed to help you scale your business, increase your income, and expand your future.  

Real estate SEO can bring your hottest motivated seller leads without more ad spend. In this episode, I sit down with Greg Berney, a Joe Homebuyer franchisee who built nearly a $2M real estate business while still protecting his family time and building a strong team culture. Greg breaks down how SEO, Google Business Profile updates, geo-tagged photos, and a disciplined review process helped him create a 10X+ return from organic marketing. We also get into the systems, mindset, and community support that helped him go from wearing every hat to building a business with more freedom and leverage. --------------------- Quotes: - “SEO is the tree you wish you planted years ago—but once it takes root, it compounds into the hottest leads in your market.” - “Freedom doesn't happen after you hit the next revenue goal. It happens when you build your business with intention from the start.” --------------------- Chapters: 0:00 Intro: $2M Revenue, Strong Family Life & Franchisee of the Year 2:51 The Unexpected Path Into Real Estate Investing 6:05 The Community Advantage That Accelerated Growth 9:01 Why Most Entrepreneurs Never Achieve Real Freedom 11:31 The Lead Generation System Behind Greg's Growth 15:16 The SEO Strategy Generating 10X Returns 17:17 How Google Reviews Turn Into More Deals 28:44 Scaling From $200K to $2M Without Burning Out 33:40 The Mindset Shift That Changes Everything --------------------- ➨Our Evergreen Marketing Podcast: https://plnk.to/Carrot ➨Our CEO, Trevor Mauch's Entrepreneur Freedom Formula Podcast: https://link.chtbl.com/EFF ➨ Facebook Group for Evergreen Marketing: https://www.facebook.com/groups/officialcarrotcommunity ➨Subscribe to our YT channel: https://www.youtube.com/@GetCarrot ➨Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/getcarrot/ ➨Take a demo of Carrot.com: https://carrot.ly/GQ8I --------------------- About Us: At Carrot, our vision is to inspire & empower real estate professionals to gain true freedom and make a greater impact with their businesses. We do that by providing industry-leading websites, marketing tools & training that help you generate more motivated seller leads than any other platform. ➨Our CEO, Trevor Mauch's Entrepreneur Freedom Formula Podcast: https://link.chtbl.com/EFF ➨ Facebook Group for Evergreen Marketing: https://www.facebook.com/groups/officialcarrotcommunity ➨Subscribe to our YT channel: https://www.youtube.com/@GetCarrot ➨Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/getcarrot/ ➨Take a demo of Carrot.com: https://carrot.ly/GQ8I Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The noise around productivity has gotten really loud lately, and I think a lot of it has to do with AI. There are apps, tools, and technology promising to 10X your output, and every corner of the internet is telling you how to squeeze more into your day. But what if that constant push to produce more, faster, is actually making you worse at the very thing it's claiming to help you with?In this episode, I'm breaking down why two of the most important types of productivity are being completely ignored right now and what it's costing you.What You'll Learn:Why the push to always be producing is working against you in ways you might not see yetThe type of productivity that happens when you step away from your to-do list completelyHow well-meaning advice is quietly converting your best thinking time into more output modeWhy what happens when you sleep matters more to your productivity than any app or tool ever couldTwo small things you can do this week to start getting it back________________________________

Same presentation. Same offer. Same you. $91,000 in sales. Two weeks later with a different audience? $4,000. In this solo episode of The Expert Edge, I break down the insight that separates six-figure coaches from seven-figure coaches: the price you charge is based less on what you do and more on who you serve. This isn't about changing your offer or tweaking your funnel. It's about understanding that a psychologist charging per hour makes $250-$350. The same person doing emotional release work with an upleveled avatar charges $50K per package. Same work. Different avatar. 100X different price. Most coaches obsess over their product. "How do I improve my course?" "What sales funnel works better?" They're focused on the wrong thing. The real leverage is identifying your upleveled avatar and understanding what problems they actually have. What you'll learn: → Price is determined by who you serve, not what you offer - Two people doing identical work charging 10X different prices based on avatar → Higher level avatars have higher level problems - Beginners ask "What's a lead magnet?" High-level clients ask "How do I own market leadership?" (premium problems = premium prices) → Beginners require volume, premium clients don't - One $50K client is easier to work with than ten $5K clients and takes action faster → Different avatars have different desires - Beginners want their first $10K. Upleveled avatars want market leadership and multi-six to seven-figure businesses → Why resourcefulness is the real differentiator - Beginners are less resourceful because they haven't developed the internal mechanisms to push through hard things Real insights from the episode: The $91K vs $4K story - same presentation, same offer, different audience, wildly different results Why beginners are "stuck" - they're still dealing with foundational problems (foundational problems don't pay premium prices) The woman in my Platinum group who left a "high-level" program because everyone was asking basic questions like "What's a lead magnet?" Why you shouldn't focus only on the lowest common denominator (beginners) The emotional release work example: $250-$350/hour as a psychologist vs $50K packages with upleveled avatar Higher level problems: team problems, profitability problems, scaling problems, system problems, market leadership The consistency difference: Beginners making $3K one month and $20K the next (chaos). Premium clients with stable recurring revenue Why premium clients are easier to work with - they're resourceful, know what they want, and take action How to identify what problems your upleveled avatar actually has Building specific products for different avatar levels (not everyone joins high-level programs) If you're running an established expert business doing $300K+ (or aiming there), Platinum is our highest-level mastermind. It's for people ready to build a highly profitable, 2-3 million dollar business with a small team, full lifestyle, and zero complexity. We focus on market leadership, scaling profitably, and building systems that work. Apply at colinboyd.co/platinum Short application. If it's a fit, we'll hop on a call. Join our next Speak to Convert Masterclass. In this live workshop, you'll discover how to build and launch a high converting presentation that gets you clients every time you present. https://colinboyd.co/speak Discover how to authentically connect with your audience & fill your programs with a Conversion Story - Version 2.0 (AI Edition) is now available. https://www.conversionstoryformula.com Hit the "Follow" button so you don't miss an episode! Love this podcast? Write a review and give it a 5-star rating!  For all the show notes and links: https://www.expertedgepodcast.com/blog/episode326 Connect with Colin on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/colinboyd/  

In this special episode, hosts David Millili and Steve Carran sit down with Will Gilbert, Co-Founder of Bodhi, live from HITEC, to explore how hospitality technology is rapidly transforming hotel operations, guest experience, and revenue performance.Will shares how Bodhi has achieved 10X growth since last October, and why the company is positioning itself not just as a product vendor—but as a true hotel operating platform designed to unify fragmented systems across the hospitality ecosystem.The conversation dives deep into how Bodhi is helping hotels deliver measurable ROI through its powerful ROI calculator, which links operational improvements directly to revenue impact, guest satisfaction, energy savings, and operational efficiency.Rather than bolting on features or claiming AI hype, Will explains Bodhi's philosophy of building a purpose-built, fully integrated platform that improves over time and delivers tangible business outcomes. From housekeeping optimization and valet integration to work order management and predictive insights, Bodhi is redefining what “platform” really means in hospitality tech.The discussion also covers: Why most hotel “platforms” are actually disconnected products  How guest experience issues directly impact revenue and ratings  The importance of data security, including SOC 2 Type 2 compliance  What's next for the future of hotel operating systems Watch the FULL EPISODE on YouTube: https://youtu.be/BF9nGmpAU-kLinks:Will on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/will-gilbert-0348586/Bodhi: https://www.gobodhi.com/For full show notes head to: https://themodernhotelier.com/episode/290Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-..Join the conversation on today's episode on The Modern Hotelier LinkedIn pageConnect with Steve and David:Steve: https://www.linkedin.com/in/%F0%9F%8E...David: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-mil.

Is your SaaS company stuck in the valuation doghouse while a handful of names trade at a massive premium? In episode #378, Ben Murray breaks down Meritech's June 2026 public software comps report and the widening valuation gap across SaaS. The median revenue multiple has fallen 64% from its pre-ZIRP peak, and most public software now trades below 5X. If you are a SaaS founder or CFO, the multiple attached to your business depends on a short list of traits the market now rewards. This episode shows you which ones, and why the rules quietly changed. Why only 9 of roughly 100 public software companies trade above a 10X revenue multiple, while 77 sit below 5X How the Rule of 40 shifted under the surface, with revenue growth now 3.3x more correlated with the multiple than free cash flow margin Why two companies with the same Rule of 40 score can trade at 7.3x versus 3.7x, depending entirely on how they got there What the top 9 share in common: free cash flow margins above 20% and ARR growth above 20% at the same time How AI exposure now sorts the market, and why a weak AI ARR story lands horizontal SaaS in the doghouse Tune in to see exactly what separates the premium names from the rest before you benchmark your own SaaS valuation. Resources Mentioned Meritech June 2026 Public Software Comps (Pulse Report): https://meritech.substack.com/p/meritech-software-pulse-12-june-2026 Ben's academy: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/

In this episode of The Capital Raiser Show, Richard C. Wilson sits down with entrepreneur, investor, and 10X founder Grant Cardone for a high-energy fireside chat on scaling businesses, raising capital, multifamily real estate, Bitcoin, social media leverage, and building long-term wealth. Grant shares the mindset and strategies behind building a $5B+ real estate portfolio, raising over $1.8B in equity, using social media to attract investors at scale, and why he believes most traditional investment structures are fundamentally flawed. The conversation dives into real estate cycles, branding, investor psychology, forced appreciation, Bitcoin treasury strategy, scaling through audience building, and how high-performing entrepreneurs continually reinvent themselves to operate at larger levels. Topics covered include: • Building and scaling a $5B+ real estate portfolio • Raising capital outside traditional Wall Street channels • Why social media is a massive investor acquisition tool • Long-term real estate investing and 10-year holds • Bitcoin, cash flow, and treasury strategy • Branding multifamily assets for scale • The psychology of growth and thinking bigger • Why successful people must leave comfort repeatedly • Investor relations, scale, and building loyal communities • High-velocity decision making and deal flow The Capital Raiser Show brings together billionaire investors, family offices, founders, operators, and elite entrepreneurs to discuss capital raising, scaling, investing, and strategic growth. Subscribe for more interviews with top investors, billionaires, family offices, and industry leaders.

Do you want to know God's vision for your life but feel like you keep shrinking your dreams down to what you can figure out on your own? In this teaching, Travis Lee Peters breaks down what vision, mission, and purpose actually mean for the believer, and how to hear what God wants to do in your life clearly, then walk it out through daily obedience. You'll learn why most of us settle for a vision that's "too small" (just get out of debt, just get comfortable), how to stop dreaming without God involved, and why His vision for you is always bigger than anything you could engineer in the natural. We cover the spiritual version of "10X is easier than 2X," how to get quiet and let God drop the vision in your heart, and how that vision turns into a mission you live out one obedient step at a time. If you've ever felt stuck, scattered, or unsure of your purpose, this one is for you. If this blessed you, don't just watch and leave. Get plugged in today so you can begin to experience God's Promise for Increase on new and exciting levels:

Zoey Greco is a spiritual teacher, intuitive guide, numerology expert, "delusional in the best way" queen, and the host of the highly-rated podcast The Higher Self Hotline. For over a decade, she has supported thousands of clients across the globe through periods of deep personal redirection and expansion. She is the creator of the *Already Are* philosophy — which teaches that true transformation isn't about becoming someone new, but rather remembering the person you have always been.In this episode, we cover:- The *Already Are* philosophy and why the caterpillar already is the butterfly on a cellular level- Why we are drawn to numbers — frequency, resonance, and how humans make sense of the world- The four numerology numbers Zoey uses for any reading: Life Path, Birthday Number, Attitude Number, and Personal Year- Amy's full live numerology read — Life Path 8, Birthday 8, Personal Year 8, Attitude 7 — and what concentrated eight energy actually means- The eight as the number of power, abundance, leadership, money, and the karmic loop of infinity- Why every number has a light and a shadow — and how to use the shadow for your own shadow work- Angel numbers, license plates, and how the universe uses the external world as a mirror to speak to you- Why "delusion" is your number one resource for manifestation and timeline jumping- The 10X list exercise Zoey runs in her container for clients calling in a partner- Why being it before you see it begins with releasing what other people think of you — "what anybody thinks about me is none of my fucking business"- The four intuitive gifts explained: claircognizance, clairvoyance, clairaudience, clairsentience — and why knowing your type changes everythingConnect with Zoey:Website (and the free intuitive gifts quiz): https://zoegreco.comYoutube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheZoeyGrecoInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/zoeygrecoFree weekly live open coaching with Zoey and her friend Brittany — starting in JunePlease remember to rate, review, and follow the show – and share with a friend!Subscribe to the newsletter:https://mailchi.mp/amyedwards/sign-up-to-amys-newsletterCheck out our new Comedy Wellness Podcast: Anything But Mid, cohosted with Whitney Stropp:https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/anything-but-mid/id1849386215https://www.youtube.com/@AnythingButMidFind Amy's affiliates and discount codes: https://amyedwards.info/affiliatepageAll links: ⁠⁠⁠amyedwards.info⁠⁠⁠ - https://amyedwards.info/Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠@realamyedward - ⁠⁠⁠ https://www.instagram.com/realamyedwards/Fight For Her: https://www.fightfortheforgotten.org/fight-for-herTikTok:⁠⁠⁠ @themagicbabe⁠⁠⁠ -  https://www.tiktok.com/@themagicbabe?lang=enYouTube:@TheAmyEdwardsShow -  https://www.youtube.com/c/theamyedwardsshowPodcast: ⁠⁠⁠The Amy Edwards Show Podcast⁠⁠⁠ - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-amy-edwards-show/id1543432633Free Course:⁠⁠⁠ The Ageless Mindset⁠⁠⁠ - https://best-you-life.teachable.com/p/the-ageless-mindset-the-ultimate-guide-to-look-younger-feel-happierFull Course: ⁠⁠⁠The Youthfulness Hack⁠⁠⁠ - https://best-you-life.teachable.com/p/the-youthfulness-hack Amy's hair by ⁠https://www.thecollectiveatx.com⁠Podcast editing by https://podcastmagician.com/Get my FREE course "The Ageless Mindset: The Ultimate Guide to Look Younger and Feel Happier!" HERE: ⁠https://best-you-life.teachable.com/p/the-ageless-mindset-the-ultimate-guide-to-look-younger-feel-happier⁠Get the full course “The Youthfulness Hack: The Secret System to Reverse Aging Fast and Create a New, Radiant You!” Out now! ⁠https://best-you-life.teachable.com/p/the-youthfulness-hack⁠

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Passion or Profit?  What does success look like for the next generation in a world being reshaped by AI, automation, and constant disruption? In this thought-provoking episode of The Cardone Zone, Grant Cardone is joined by Swedish podcaster Theodor Ekstrand for an honest conversation about the realities facing young people today. Together, they explore the rapidly changing landscape of work, the impact of artificial intelligence on careers, and the opportunities emerging from one of the biggest technological shifts in history. The discussion also tackles a timeless question that every ambitious young person eventually faces: Should you follow your passion, or follow the money? Whether you're just starting your career, building a business, or trying to navigate an uncertain future, this episode offers practical insights on how to stay relevant, valuable, and prepared for what's next. Follow us on all social platforms @GrantCardone for daily content on wealth, business, sales, investing, and the 10X mindset. Visit GrantCardone.com for information on upcoming events, exclusive training, and the latest strategies on wealth creation, business growth, and real estate investing. TRT: 53:00:02  

“Do the right thing, not the easy thing.”  on the Daily Grind ☕️, your weekly goal-driven podcast. This episode features Kelly Johnson @kellyfastruns and special guest Gene Gerovich @nyc_hvac_heroes. Gene is a sales leader, operator, and entrepreneur with over 15 years of experience scaling businesses with a relentless focus on process, discipline, and people.He's helped grow multiple companies 3X to 10X in under five years, and today he leads B&M Mechanical in New York City—an HVAC and refrigeration company serving the hospitality industry and major brands like Macy's, McDonald's, Burger King, Dunkin', and more.S9 Episode 23: 6/16/2026Featuring Kelly Johnson with Special Guest Gene GerovichFollow Our Podcast:Instagram: @dailygrindpod https://www.instagram.com/dailygrindpod/  X: @dailygrindpod https://x.com/dailygrindpod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dailygrindpodTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@dailygrindpodPodcast Website: https://direct.me/dailygrindpod   Follow Our Special Guest:Website: https://bmmechanical.nyc/Instagram: @nyc_hvac_heroes

In this episode of Million Dollar Flip Flops, Rodric sits down with private equity investor Steve Walsh for a conversation about what it really takes to grow a business beyond the next plateau.Steve shares how he helps entrepreneurs think bigger, build stronger companies, and avoid the common mistakes that keep them stuck at two, three, or even ten million in revenue. The discussion explores mindset, customer understanding, culture, capital, and why the right investor can bring far more than money to the table.From there, Rodric and Steve dive into the difference between smart capital and dumb capital, the importance of hiring A players, and why communication with investors matters more than most founders realize.This is a practical, high-level conversation about growth, leadership, and building a business with the right people around you.In This Episode, You'll LearnWhy many entrepreneurs get stuck before their next levelHow to think bigger than your current revenue targetWhy mindset is often the first bottleneck to growthThe difference between smart capital and dumb capitalWhy the best investors bring doors, systems, and strategyHow to build a culture that attracts A playersWhy customer understanding matters before capitalWhat entrepreneurs often get wrong about their investorsHighlights & Timestamps[00:00] Tell your investor the truth Steve opens with a blunt truth: the things you least want to tell your investor are often the things they most need to know.[01:00] Meet Steve Walsh Steve shares that he works in private equity and focuses on investing in entrepreneurs and helping them reach the next level.[02:00] Why 10X thinking matters He explains why he believes 10X growth is not harder than 2X growth—it just requires a different mindset.[03:00] Special snowflake syndrome Rodric and Steve discuss how entrepreneurs often believe their market is different, when in reality the core principles of business still apply.[04:00] Culture can solve hiring problems Steve shares an example of a company that believed it could not find talent, and explains how better culture can attract people away from competitors.[05:00] Shiny object syndrome The conversation shifts to the trap of spending capital on things that do not move the business forward.[06:00] Start from the end and work backward Steve explains why entrepreneurs should begin with the end goal in mind and then reverse-engineer the path.[07:00] The Magnet and sales fundamentals Rodric connects the conversation to sales and marketing, explaining how many founders neglect the basic “magnet” that attracts customers.[08:00] Why builders struggle with sales They discuss how many builders and contractors are excellent at building but weak at sales, marketing, and customer messaging.[09:00] Smart capital vs. dumb capital Steve explains the difference between money alone and strategic money that brings expertise, relationships, and systems.[10:00] Partnership, not transaction The best investors, Steve says, are true partners who want to help founders succeed beyond the check they write.[11:00] Tell your investor the hard stuff He emphasizes that many founders hide problems from investors when those are exactly the issues that need to be surfaced.[12:00] Why the right investor changes everything Rodric and Steve compare smart capital to strategic help like networks, expertise, and market access.[13:00] A players need a big mission Steve explains why top performers need a meaningful challenge or they will get bored and leave.[14:00] The book and where to find Steve Steve shares where listeners can find his book and connect with him.[15:00] The family man question Steve answers the signature question: businessman with a family or family man with a business?[16:00] Energy, time, and personal alignment He shares how he looks at both business life and personal life when evaluating entrepreneurs.[17:00] Closing thoughts on priorities Steve closes by reinforcing that personal and professional priorities always show up in the calendar and the bank account.Notable Quotes“Most of the things you do not want to tell your investor are the things you need to be telling your investor.” – Steve Walsh “10X it is just as easy as 2X it.” – Steve Walsh “The bigger picture is always bigger than what they see.” – Steve Walsh “Start from the end. Start from where you want to go and work backwards.” – Steve Walsh “Smart capital opens doors you probably never could open on your own.” – Steve Walsh “If you want A players, you need a big goal.” – Steve WalshConnect with Steve Walsh

On this episode of Public Keys from the New York Stock Exchange, host Jennifer Sanasie is joined by GSR's Joshua Riezman on SpaceX's $1.29 billion Bitcoin bet and the outlook for the CLARITY Act; Citi's Artem Korenyuk on the bank's new platform for tokenizing private company shares; and Coinbase's Lincoln Murr on AI agent trading and the future of autonomous finance. Plus, Ponzi Trader's highest-conviction trade of the week on 10X, presented by Kraken Pro. - This episode of Public Keys is brought to you by Kraken Pro. For more: ⁠⁠⁠https://pro.kraken.com/⁠⁠⁠ - Learn more at ⁠https://www.bullish.com/⁠. - Register now for CoinDesk's Policy and Regulation event on September 24, 2026: ⁠https://policy-regulation.coindesk.com/⁠. - Timecodes: 00:00 Welcome to Public Keys 01:00 U.S.-Iran Deal Reopens Strait of Hormuz 01:28 SpaceX IPOs With $1.29B in Bitcoin 02:01 GSR's Joshua Riezman Joins Public Keys 03:23 Bitcoin's Corporate Treasury Era 04:47 AI vs. Crypto for Capital Flows 07:06 CLARITY Act: Now or Never 10:20 10X: Ponzi Trader's Top Trade is XPL 12:04 Citi's Artem Korenyuk Joins Public Keys 13:29 Digital Depository Receipts Explained 16:13 Citi's Broader Tokenization Strategy 18:12 Investor Rights and Private Share Ownership 20:20 BTC and ETH ETF Flows 21:18 Coinbase Launches for Agents, Lincoln Murr Joins 23:03 AI Agent Safety and Coinbase Advisor 26:02 The Agentic Financial Future and x402 28:19 Fear & Greed Index Climbs to 20 - This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie.

Read my new book, "The Price of Becoming." www.LearningLeader.com/Becoming This is brought to you by Insight Global. If you need to hire one person, hire a team of people, or transform your business through Talent or Technical Services, Insight Global's team of 30,000 people around the world has the hustle and grit to deliver. My Guest: Scott Harrison is the founder and CEO of charity: water, a non-profit that has raised over a billion dollars and funded tens of thousands of water projects to bring safe drinking water to millions. He previously spent a decade as a New York City nightclub promoter before a dramatic career shift led him into humanitarian work. Key Learnings Scott started a charity: water with $20 from a birthday party. Then $15,000... Twenty years later: over a billion dollars raised, 21 million people served. He says it should be 10 to 100 times more. The cure for water already exists. We're looking for water on Mars while 700 million people drink dirty water on Earth. We solved this hundreds of years ago. We just haven't implemented it. 25% of the money sitting in American donor-advised funds would give every human on Earth clean water. That's parked philanthropic capital. Already tax-benefited. Just waiting. The goal is always 10X what you're doing. If we raised a million last year, we want ten this year. If we raise $100 million, we should raise a billion. The opportunity is always orders of magnitude larger than the moment. Show, don't bullet. Scott shows 210 photos in a 45-minute keynote. No PowerPoint. Single images. A story unfolds frame by frame. Be early to the technology. First charity on Instagram. First to hit a million Twitter followers. First to use VR. The question is always the same: how does this new thing further the mission? The 100% model: solve for the cynic.  Public donations go to one bank account that funds only water projects. Overhead is raised separately from entrepreneurs and business leaders. Then track every donation to a specific village. Don't be mid. Scott's 11-year-old daughter says nobody wants to be mid. Excellence is a core value. There's a lot of mid out there. Design everything. The fact cover sheet. The PowerPoint. The website. The package. "We're always dating." If the message comes in an ugly package, you're at a disadvantage before you start. Treat the donor like a Michelin three-star guest. If a restaurant can think that carefully about a meal, you can think that carefully about a donor who can save a million lives. The Goldman Sachs partner who changed Scott's paradigm. Before making an eight-figure ask, Scott asked a partner: "How does it feel when people ask for a lot more than you expected?" The expected answer was irritated, offended, put off. The actual answer: "I feel flattered that they think I would be that generous." People are generous. The well is there. You just have to drill deep enough. Scott has spent 20 years asking for too little. That might be his next obsession. People give to people, not causes. A dynamic leader who transfers their enthusiasm gets the donation. The cause doesn't. Most of the donations Scott and his wife give are to people, not topics they were already passionate about. Talk 10% of the time. When Scott meets a donor for the first time, he wants to know their whole life story. Their marriage. Their kids. What they wanted to be when they grew up. Be genuinely curious or don't bother. Hire for integrity, humility, curiosity, and energy... 16,000 applicants for 36 roles last year. Energy matters most. Someone who can get you fired up about pickleball, Patagonia, or a new running shoe is exactly who you want on the executive team. The dinner test for hiring: Can you imagine having this person at your home for two hours at dinner? And wanting to keep them for another hour? Get the whole life story. Scott wants the arc from the beginning to the present in an interview. If someone can't tell their own story coherently, they probably don't know themselves yet. The 11-year-old with the piggy bank. He told his parents he was going to fund a whole village. They told him to set a realistic goal. He went knocking on doors. He came back with $10,000. Scott's experience lab in Nashville. A 60-minute immersive tour. A 100-degree room with a treadmill where you carry a 40-pound water vessel. Microscopes that show you parasites. A VR film that ends in celebration. The "give shop," not the gift shop. 53% of visitors donate. 10,000 visitors. $3.9 million raised in year one. Scott's champagne moment: a single billionaire who picks water. The water sector doesn't have one. Republicans and Democrats agree on it. Atheists and people of faith agree on it. Everyone has to drink. Reflection Questions What is the 10X version of your current goal? Where are you asking for too little because the smaller ask felt safer? Who in your work or life is the Michelin three-star guest, the customer, donor, or partner who deserves your most thoughtful experience design?  When was the last time you went 10% talking, 90% genuinely curious about someone else's story?  More Learning:  #290: Scott Harrison – Redemption, Compassion, & The Transformative Power Within Us #680: Scott Galloway - Don't Follow Your Passion, Follow Your Talent #682: Will Guidara - Adversity is a Terrible Thing to WasteAudio Chapters 00:00 The Price of Becoming - Pre-Order Now! 01:18 Welcome Back, Scott Harrison 02:56 From a $20 Bill to Over $1 Billion Raised 04:59 Why the Goal Should Always Be 10X (or 100X) 07:54 Storytelling: How to Get People to Care About a Problem They Don't Feel 10:30 Being Early to Instagram, Twitter, and VR 16:10 Radical Transparency: The Bank Account That Built Trust 19:51 The Beauty of a Healthy Obsession 21:22 Drilling Deep for the Artesian Wells of Generosity 25:04 What It Feels Like in the Room When Generosity Breaks Through 27:01 "Nobody Wants to Be Mid." 30:56 Design Everything: We're Always Dating 32:13 Treat Your Donor Like a Michelin Three-Star Guest 35:39 Selling With Integrity: Talk 10%, Listen 90% 39:15 16,000 Applicants for 36 Jobs: What Scott Looks For 43:12 The Power of Vulnerability in Hiring 45:39 Inside the Nashville Experience Lab 50:34 The Champagne Question: A Billion-Dollar Vision 52:10 The 11-Year-Old Who Raised $10,000 Door-to-Door 54:25 EOPC  

Dan Newman heads FP&A at RingCentral, a $2.5B public SaaS company (a platform for business phone, SMS, contact center, workforce engagement management, video collaboration, and messaging) , where he has overseen a  period of 10X growth. Discussing a career comprising consulting, being a financial analyst at Salesforce, private-equity-backed startups, Dan discusses building financial models towards a sale, navigating the shift from 30% growth to efficiency, and AI processes. In this episode Building the FP&A team at SchoolMessenger and pivoting to a sale  Joining RingCentral at a $250m run rate and a six-person FP&A team towards $2.5billion Why revenue is rarely as simple as it looks  Business partnering in an age of efficiency in SaaS

Are you falling behind—or getting 10X more productive—with AI? Kevin Surace, the father of the virtual assistant and AI futurist. Here are my 5 biggest takeaways: ✅ If you're not AI-first, someone who is will replace you ✅ AI isn't a tool — it's a workflow multiplier ✅ Productivity is now 10X minimum, not 10% better ✅ Your voice still matters — edit AI, don't fear it ✅ The winners? People who learn faster than AI evolves What's ONE way you're using AI today to boost productivity? Kevin is the father of the Virtual Assistant and a Silicon Valley innovator, serial entrepreneur, CEO, and futurist. He was INC Magazines' Entrepreneur of the Year, a CNBC top Innovator of the Decade, World Economic Forum Tech Pioneer, Chair of Silicon Valley Forum, Planet Forward Innovator of the Year nominee, featured for 5 years on TechTV's Silicon Spin, and inducted into RIT's Innovation Hall of Fame. He has 94 worldwide patents and led pioneering work on the first cellular data smartphone (AirCommunicator), the first human-like AI virtual assistant (Portico), soundproof drywall, high R-value windows, AI-driven building management, Generative AI for QA automation, supply-chain auctions, and the window/energy retrofits of the Empire State Building and NY Stock Exchange. Connect with Jon Dwoskin: Twitter: @jdwoskin Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.dwoskin Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thejondwoskinexperience/ Website: https://jondwoskin.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jondwoskin/ Email: jon@jondwoskin.com Get Jon's Book: The Think Big Movement: Grow your business big. Very Big! Connect with Kevin Surace:Website: https://www.kevinsurace.com/ X: https://twitter.com/kevinsurace Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kevinsurace/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ksurace/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kevin.surace/ *E - explicit language may be used in this podcast.

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I don't end many podcasts by inviting someone to come hang out at the farm, but this was one of those conversations. In this episode, I sit down with Patrick Engasser, a bestselling author, speaker, and coach who's built and led a seven-figure sales team…all while being blind since birth.  This isn't a “feel good” story. This is a wake-up call. We talk about what it actually takes to succeed when the odds aren't in your favor, how to stay aware of opportunities most people completely miss, and why building the right systems is the difference between being stuck and having real freedom. Patrick also shares powerful perspective shifts around adversity- how the very thing you think is holding you back might actually be your greatest advantage. And yeah…we even get into guide dogs.  If you've been waiting for the “right time” or better circumstances… this episode will challenge that hard.   Find Patrick at www.TalkwithPatrick.com  If I Can Do It, You Can Do It!: Inspiration for Eliminating Excuses, Overcoming Challenges, and Succeeding in Business and Life by Patrick Engasser https://amzn.to/4cIg1VH    Things mentioned in the show: 10X is Easier than 2X by Dan Sullivan https://amzn.to/4mErRok  4-Hour Workweek by Tim Ferriss https://amzn.to/4cB3XFF  The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People by Stephen Covey https://amzn.to/489fc72  Goals: How to Get the Most Out of Your Life by Zig Ziglar https://amzn.to/4twO7mY  The Power of Intention by Wayne Dyer https://amzn.to/4cX7rUk    --- Click here to change your life- http://eepurl.com/gy5T3T   Hit me up for a one-on-one brainstorming session- https://militaryimagesproject.com/products/brainstorming-session-1-hour    Check out my Linktree for different ways to rock your world! https://linktr.ee/ruggeddad    Check out the sweet Hyper X mic I'm using. https://amzn.to/41AF4px    Check out my best-selling books: Rapid Skill Development 101- https://amzn.to/3J0oDJ0 Streams of Income with Ryan Reger- https://amzn.to/3SDhDHg Strangest Secret Challenge- https://amzn.to/3xiJmVO This page contains affiliate links. This means that if you click a link and buy one of the products on this page, I may receive a commission (at no extra cost to you!) This doesn't affect our opinions or our reviews. Everything we do is to benefit you as the reader, so all of our reviews are as honest and unbiased as possible. #passiveincome #sidehustle #cryptocurrency #richlife

The Cardone Zone Episode 311  "That will never work" Couldn't think of a better title for this episode than to quote Marc Randoph's book title: "That will never work", because that is the essence of this episode. The entrepreneur's journey through adversity. What does it take to build technology that changes the way the world lives, works, and communicates? In this fascinating episode of The Cardone Zone, Grant Cardone welcomes two pioneering innovators: Marc Randolph, co-founder of Netflix, and Adam Cheyer, co-founder of Siri. Together, they share the principles, methodologies, and decision-making frameworks that helped transform groundbreaking ideas into globally recognized technologies. From disrupting the entertainment industry to revolutionizing how humans interact with technology, these visionaries reveal what it takes to innovate, adapt, and scale in rapidly evolving markets. Whether you're building a startup, growing an established business, or looking to sharpen your competitive edge, this episode delivers valuable insights from two leaders who helped redefine entire industries. Follow us on all social platforms @GrantCardone for daily content on wealth, business, entrepreneurship, investing, and the 10X mindset. Visit GrantCardone.com for information on upcoming events, exclusive products, training programs, and the latest strategies on wealth, business, and real estate. TRT: 53:00:02  

On this episode of CoinDesk's Public Keys from the New York Stock Exchange, host Jennifer Sanasie is joined by Bloomberg Intelligence Senior Research Analyst James Seyffart to break down the SpaceX IPO's pull on crypto capital, four consecutive weeks of Bitcoin ETF outflows topping $1.7 billion, and the Zcash counterfeiting bug. VanEck Director of Digital Assets Product Kyle DaCruz unpacks VBNB, the first US spot BNB ETF, the rise of "revenue chains," and what staking rewards will mean for the product. 100X Capital CIO Joy Pathak — also known as the Wizard of SoHo — shares his top conviction trade in the 10X segment. Plus, Benchmark-StoneX Managing Director Mark Palmer breaks down why the market overreacted to Strategy's first publicized Bitcoin sale, his $570 price target on the company, and his Buy rating with a $32 target on Strive. - This episode of Public Keys is brought to you by Kraken Pro. For more: ⁠⁠https://pro.kraken.com/⁠⁠ - Learn more at https://www.bullish.com/.-Register now for CoinDesk's Policy and Regulation event on September 24, 2026: https://policy-regulation.coindesk.com/. Timecodes: 00:00 Welcome to Public Keys 00:38 SpaceX IPO, BTC Drops 01:50 BTC ETF Outflows: Overreaction or Trend? 03:23 Zcash Counterfeiting Bug and the Privacy Narrative 06:34 VanEck's Kyle DaCruz on the First US Spot BNB ETF 07:18 Ghost Chains vs Revenue Chains: BNB by the Numbers 08:56 BNB Staking and How VanEck Picks Its Next ETF 11:17 BNB Chain's Decentralization 14:55 ETF Flows Deep-Dive: Bitcoin, Hyperliquid, XRP, Solana 18:02 Bitcoin ETFs vs Gold's $300B in Assets 19:14 The Yin-Yang of Crypto: "We're So Back" vs "It's So Over" 21:39 Joy Pathak's ‘10X' Trade: NEAR 24:04 Benchmark-StoneX' Mark Palmer on Strategy's First Publicized BTC Sale 25:32 Why S&P's October Critique Drove the Sale 27:47 Path to a $570 Price Target on Strategy 29:40 $32 Buy Rating on Strive and a $95K BTC Assumption 32:18 Crypto Fear & Greed Index at 8 - This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie.

00:01 1999 igjen: to skrekkfilm-hiter og «this time it's different»00:04 Rekordbelåning og margin debt på all time high00:05 Opsjonsjaget vi ikke har sett siden 198700:08 Short gamma, marketmakere og spiralen som ga «Red Friday»00:14 Ingenting virket: bare lang volatilitet beskyttet00:17 Laveste korrelasjoner på to år og VIX opp 40 prosent00:18 Bank of America: «here be dragons» og ledighet mot inflasjon00:20 Bilen, AI og Jevons-paradokset00:24 SpaceX som datasenterselskap, ikke rakettselskap00:30 Børsnotering denne uka: 1770 milliarder og Musks absolutte makt00:31 S&P-nekten mot FTSE, Russell og MSCI00:32 Lockup-kalenderen og dagen å frykte: seks måneder og fire dager00:35 Grok mot Groq og «race to zero» i modellene00:40 Midtøsten: Trump mot Netanyahu og oljeprisen00:44 Hva folk ikke ser på nå: bear flattening og carry trades som ryker00:47 Dollar over 161 og japansk intervensjon00:49 Hudson River Trading og datasenteret i Norge00:51 Norge har misforstått seg selv: fisk, olje, rå kraft og nå compute00:53 Å raffinere compute: Skygard, spillvarme og 10X på krafta00:58 Compute som multiplikator: fra 10x-ere til 100x-ere01:00 Budsjettforliket, Mímir Kristjánsson og minstepensjonistene01:05 Å prestere når alt er mulig: fokus, nysgjerrighet og flytskjemaer01:11 Telefonen som heroin: reels, 24-timers reset og hjernen tilbake01:19 Trikkedrapet og situational awareness01:24 Varsler i stedet for å glo på skjermen: gull/sølv og momentum01:35 1998: LTCM, doblede posisjoner og banken som tapte 900 millioner01:45 Andrew Left, Citron og short-saken som ble svindel01:50 Oraclum, superforecasters og nordmannen på topp01:56 Drewry-indeksen, VM-frakt og Fifas fredspris til Trump Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What does it take to become a household name, stay at the top of your game, and negotiate your way through decades of success? In this star-powered episode of The Cardone Zone, Grant Cardone is joined by John Travolta and Kevin Hart for a candid conversation about the journeys that transformed them from ambitious dreamers into global icons. From navigating setbacks and rejection to building lasting careers in one of the world's most competitive industries, both guests reveal the principles, habits, and negotiating strategies that helped them create opportunities where others saw obstacles. In Episode 310, you'll discover: The mindset required to achieve long-term success How confidence and preparation shape every negotiation The art of creating value before asking for anything in return Lessons learned from decades of navigating high-stakes deals Why persistence remains one of the most underrated skills in business and life Whether you're negotiating a contract, growing a business, or pursuing a bigger vision for your future, this episode delivers insights from two masters of their craft who have consistently found ways to create leverage, build relationships, and win. Follow us on all social platforms @GrantCardone for daily content on wealth, business, sales, entrepreneurship, and the 10X mindset. Visit GrantCardone.com for information on upcoming events, exclusive training programs, and products designed to expand your business skills, increase your knowledge, and accelerate your success.

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We've informally heard that Satya is a listener to LS for a couple years now, but it was still absolutely surreal to meet him and do a live pod at Build, together with our friends at No Priors, the leading VC AI Podcast that we also greatly admire!We covered the MAI model technical takeaways on yesterday's AINews, so I will focus our recap of Satya's main messages around three elements:* Satya's adaptation of the Bill Gates Line for positioning Microsoft as the Frontier Intelligence Platform — customers must gain much more value from the Microsoft ecosystem than Microsoft itself, by building on multi-model harnesses like OpenClaw and Scout, drawing on the full enterprise context exposed by context layers like Work IQ (heavily dogfooded by his C-suite), and building up private evals and traces as a new form of Token IP* AI ROI: On one hand, enterprises are having difficult conversations around Tokenmaxxing and Layoffs, and on the other hand, there are serious re-evaluations of the End of SaaS since the Build vs Buy equation has changed so much. Our previous SemiAnalysis guest had… interesting comments on Microsoft's position on this as the ur-SaaS titan, and Satya had great answers* Making the Impossible Possible: Kevin Scott's inspiring framing around what the most ambitious version of applying AI and technology at large to business and social problems, like education and social impact.Enjoy!Full VideoTranscriptVoiceover: Welcome swyx, Sarah Guo, Elad Gil,, and Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Microsoft, Satya NadellaSarah Guo: Welcome to a crossover episode of No Priors and Lane Space with Satya Nadella. Um, congratulations on an amazing build. No, thank you so much, and it's great to be with both of you. I listen to both of you or b- both the podcasts all the time. It's great to be on it.Thank you so much. [00:01:00] So you're just talking about, um, these amazing, uh, announcements from across the Microsoft estate all morning for, I think, three hours. What is the, uh, what's the most important reflection or takeaway you have?AI as an Ecosystem PlatformSarah Guo: I, I'd say there are, uh, perhaps the, the biggest one for me is let's sort of conceptualize this more as an ecosystem play as opposed to a single model or even a single platform, right?Satya Nadella: I mean, you know, whatever I... At least for me, having grown up at Microsoft, having seen, whatever, four major platform shifts, uh, I sort of fall into that, um, uh, camp where a platform is defined by fundamentally its ability to create more value about the platform versus what's captured in the platform. And so if you, you view what's happening right now, I think this morning's keynote was how can any company, whether it's an AI native company or a traditional enterprise company, participate as a first-class participant where they can point to AI they created, [00:02:00] right?It's not that they don't use other people's AI. Of course they will. But to me, what's the path? What's the recipe? How do I do it? What does a stack look like? What does the tooling look like? What is valuable? How do you do that? That's it. That's sort of our job to do. Yeah. Ecosystem strategy is, uh, very complicated, right?Sarah Guo: Because you end up building certain components, partnering for certain components, supporting them. You just announced this big suite of models. Like, tell us a little bit about the, uh, training strategy for Microsoft now. Yeah.MAI Models & Training StrategySarah Guo: So, so the thing that we wanted to do with the MAI models was to build, and as Mustafa talked about, first of all, a great lineage, right?Satya Nadella: Starting with pre-training, uh, with very good data quality, uh, doing all the ablations, making sure because in, in some sense it's becoming even harder to build a clean lineage model just because there's so much stuff out there, uh, that you truly need to ablate out to be able to have a fantastic [00:03:00] pre-trained model.In fact, that's one of the challenges of a lot of the open weight models is they look great on one benchmark or two, but they're not great on practice. So that's why, in fact, even in the RFDEs are, they, they are pretty gone really excited about these MAI models because how the heck can a small five B model hill climb?Uh, and it goes back a little bit to what I think is ultimately the key thing to do, which is try to pursue finding that cognitive core. Uh, so to me, starting with a clean lineage- Then creating that ability for companies to be able to use this, right? Not just as a generalist, but to create their own specialist by building this hill climbing scaffold around it, right?So it's not just the model, but you have a hill climb scaffold around it, then you will start building your RLE. You will start collecting the traces. Most importantly, you'll have private evals because we know all the evals out there are good, interesting, [00:04:00] but they're not really that critical- They're work, yeahSwyx: at this point because they all can be maxed. And so the point is each company will have its own private eval. And so that end-to-end platform story around our models is sort of, uh, what I think is interesting. And then the one other thing, Sarah, since you brought that up, is I do feel there's a new frontier.Satya Nadella: Like people talk about the frontier and are you operating at the frontier. Um, interestingly enough, if you add a little temporality to it, you can use, let's say, in, in, in fact, the, the Lando Lakes demo we showed was pretty cool. We used, whatever, GPT-55, right? Then you collected a bunch of traces, and then you took a 5B reasoning model and achieved higher.Sarah Guo: Uh, so that is another aspect of what it means to appear... uh, you know, operate at the frontier Yeah. I, I think, uh, I first of all have to congratulate you on basically building a frontier neo lab inside of Microsoft in two years. Um, I'm wondering, you know, you have all this AI strategy that you're rolling out.Lessons from Two Years of AI DevelopmentSwyx: I'm wondering, what do you know now that you wish you would tell yourself two years ago where- or two or [00:05:00] three years ago? Three years for the Jensen partnership, two years for, uh, MEI. Yeah, I mean, I think the, the thing when, that I reflect quite a bit, right, which is sort of obviously I got into all this when I got excited by the, the scaling laws paper and, you know, when, you know, even the OpenAI partnership came about when those folks said, “Hey, we're gonna really throw a lot of computer transformers.”Satya Nadella: Uh, and they've helped. I- the thing that I always look back and say, “Wow, these things, uh, do have capability that they're climbing up.” W- I mean, this, you know, this crude way of saying it is intelligence is log of compute kind of works. Now what I think we underestimated perhaps is the real-world complexity of deploying these so that they actually deliver the value in the real world, right?So the outcomes as measured by any benchmark is interestingly important, but the true eval is when people out there are able to do unique things that they only can value, and it's very [00:06:00] measurable, right? That I wish we had sort of even, like, had more in our consciousness, right? Which is as an industry.Sarah Guo: Because right now I think when people say, “Wow, I don't want a token max,” it's an artifact of us not having thought ourselves as an industry that we are using tokens to create value every step of the way. So I think that's kind of what I wish we had gotten there, but I'm glad we are here.Real-World Value & Use CasesSarah Guo: What are some of the use cases that you've seen that have created the most value for your customers?Because I know that people talk a lot about code, and I think it's pretty clear that that's something that's having very large scale impact. Are there other areas that you find in common that your customers are really benefiting from? Yeah. I think, yeah, to your point, obviously coding is now got... But it's interesting, by the way, Elijah, to even talk about the coding, right?Satya Nadella: Which is coding has worked so well that we now have to rebuild the IDE, right? I mean, it's kind of nuts to see what we sh- launched is like, oh my God, I have these hundred agent sessions. I... The cognitive load it transfers back to me as a human is so [00:07:00] excessive that now I need a new UI. Uh, oh, by the way, I, like the, the chat as the only artifact was also impossible, so that's why we need a canvas.So it's kind of interesting for all the things about where is software needed or where is UI needed, uh, you kind of need that even for code, right? In a fully agentic world. But that said, one of the things that we are starting to see, we started seeing with co-work, but even some of the work we, we showed with auto com- uh, um, autopilot Right on what you see with claws is a good one because if you sort of think about a lot of human capital is doing the glue work, right?If you now can augment that with tokens/agents that are long-running, durable, right, then your ability to scale even what is still judgment and glue work gets amplified like coding does. Uh, so you can... Like, I'm positive that six months from now we'll all be saying, “Oh, wow,” like, all through ni- the night there was a bunch of stuff that [00:08:00] all these autopilots that I have working on my behalf with my delegated authority, so to speak, right?I can... Sort of given even my identity, did a bunch of work, then of course I'll need my new ADE to say, “Well, what did you do?” Like, I might... “Did I do this work?” And so on. So I think that that's where compressing of workflows, uh, completing of tasks, uh, that's where I think a lot of the value gets created. I think you raised a really interesting point, which is there's the actual agent that's doing the code, and then there's a harness around it, and that's the environment, that's the context, that's everything you're setting up as a developer around actually a coding agent.The Harness Concept for Enterprise AISarah Guo: What is the harness for the enterprise? Is there an equivalent concept for broader productivity work, or how do you think about that concept sort of generalized? That's right. So, so in some sense you kind of want the harness to define the models, the, the data, uh, and the tools, and so that you have a loop across those three.Satya Nadella: And so what we are trying to, first of all, make sure is each of our products that we build, right, whether it's GitHub Copilot or the security copi- the, the [00:09:00] stuff we showed with MDASH or even the discovery for science, it doesn't matter, all of them are multi-model harnesses, um, with tools access so that you can do this progressive, uh, disclosure of tools even so that they're token efficient.Uh, and then you're feeding it with very rich context because that's sort of the other hard lesson we have learned in the last two years is, oh my God, the amount of work you need to do to prep the context layer, uh, such that your plan can execute in the most efficient way is where the magic is. So we have, in our case, we have the GitHub harness, which essentially we're using across all our products.It's available in Foundry, and we are open, like you can use your Llama harness, whatever. Or you can use the, um, uh, you know, any open harness or any harness of yours and train with your tools and multiple models and your context. And so that's the pitch. Because right now a lot of dialogue is, um, “Hey, if I train the harness plus tools and the model together, you get [00:10:00] evals.”Elad Gil: And what we are proving out is... And the best example of that is what we did with MDASH, right? Because when it launched, uh, it found bugs or vulnerabilities that were not found by Mythos Uh, and so there is existence proof, I would claim, that you can have a multimodal harness, uh, that can in fact be more, uh, performant in the real world So a premise behind the, uh, training at the independent frontier labs is really, you know, we're gonna have these models, and we'll have an API business, and we'll support enterprises and startups.Sarah Guo: ButPlatform Strategy & Developer EcosystemSarah Guo: a first-party product, be it productivity or code or search, drives the majority of revenue. That's a different value equation than you're describing, I think, with the Microsoft ecosystem. Uh, if, if that's the case, tell me if it's the case, uh, ‘cause obviously you have first-party products and you have enablement products.Satya Nadella: Um, what is the role of the develop- Like what is gonna be hard and the set of skills and the value capture the developer has in that world? Yeah. So I think that there's always [00:11:00] gonna be the case that someone who is super successful in- as a platform builder can also have first-party products. It was true with Windows.It is true, uh, with, uh, the, the SaaS side and the cloud side as well with us and others and so on. But the thing that is, is it should not be a limiter to other people achieving that same success, right? That I think is the core difference, which is the, the network effects this time around, around intelligence are such because they learn from data, and not really lots of data.It's just a few samples that you have to see to understand what's novel about something. So that's why the game becomes how to protect. So that's why I would say every company, having private evals may be the biggest IP, right? Think about it, like what's that private eval that you can then use even a frontier model to hill climb on and not leak the traces may be one of the biggest [00:12:00] drivers, uh, of IP.Like, so in other words, another te- acid test is you have an eval that's private. You're using, uh, a g- a Model A. Can you switch it to Model B and e- you know, climb up? If you can, then you're in control. If you can't, you're not in control, and that's where even the harness decision becomes super important, right?swyx So therefore, having an open harness, letting all models come in, having your evals, your context, your tools help you hill climb, I think is the skills that an AI native startup needs, a SaaS company needs, or every enterprise needs. Yeah, I think in, in a very real way you are ... Microsoft historically is an operating systems company and th- then become a cloud company.Maybe like the third act is that you're a harness or evals company. Whatever w- ... whatever the, the sort of conglomerate of concepts that you wanna put together. Um, and, and I think like enabling every company to have like frontier intelligence or what- what- Yeah ... I forget the, the [00:13:00] exact term that you used, um, is the, is the mission, right?Satya Nadella: That's it. Like that is, that is the platform promise, that you build with us, you will get your intelligence, uh, for your data. That's it. That ... To, to me, that is the ... Like if there was one tagline, uh, for this entire developer conference is- Can everybody operate at the frontier with their frontier intelligence, right?To me, that is so important because otherwise it, I, I don't know how you achieve stable equilibrium, right? Which is how do I then go and say, “Well, my company is gonna have a terminal value because I now know how to continuously compound-” Yeah ... on top of what's a platform that gets better,” right? So when, like Windows obviously came out, Adobe built, Autodesk built, uh, or even like take what Jensen said.We built DX and he built, you know, CUDA on top of it. Um, right? I mean, I always say to Jensen, “God, I got the short end of that,” right? “I wish, uh, we had recognized it.” But nevertheless, but that, that idea that you can build a platform layer [00:14:00] that someone else can then extend out, um, and build their own intelligence layer in this case, I think is everything, right?Without it, why have a developer conference? I can just come and have you all sort of just worship at the altar of one model. Yeah. But that's not a developer conference. Uh,IP, Evals & Company Valueswyx: backstage we, we had a discussion about what is IP or what is the, the value in a company. It used to be the length of, uh, human experience at a company, and now it's this other thing which is the evals, the, uh, experience in sort of applying agents to the company. Can you... I just want you to like flesh that out a bit more ‘cause- Yeah ... it was very insightful.Satya Nadella: It's a great way to frame it, right? Because yeah, at the end of the day, every company is gonna have both the human capital that is still gonna be super valuable, uh, because humans, uh, and their ability to find the gaps that exist at all times is going to be the way we all will create value, right?I mean, so I'm definitely in the camp that this is going to be about expressing new forms of human agency and ambition even as token capital goes up, right? So let's say a cor- any corporation [00:15:00] has lots of tokens and lot of human capital. The question is how do you compound the two? So if you have a... Like if you take in Teams I have a bunch of agents doing work and a bunch of humans doing work, and the traces between those, that is really important context of how that enterprise is creating value.Then that goes back to train not a generalist model, but to train the company veteran agent, uh, right? That is super valuable again, right? Which is when a company goes says, “It should in fact go onto the balance sheet,” is how I think about it, right? That's so... In fact, there may be... Like human capital was never possible to go put on a balance sheet, uh, because you didn't know how to capture the tacit knowledge.swyx: Whereas now I think you can with the agents that have learned through the h- through, through time, through all the traces. Uh, so that's what at least we think will happen. I, I think the SEC is gonna have to have accounting standards- ... for token, uh, expertise Uh, y- y- you're talking about the equilibrium [00:16:00] state, um, and a stable equilibrium where companies have this compounding value and can see terminal value for themselves.Future of SaaS & Business ModelsSarah Guo: Another challenge to, you know, the considered equilibrium of, okay, there are applications and workflows that are sort of common to a vertical or a horizontal. Um, and this was, like, the generation of SaaS companies and, you know, Microsoft has lots of SaaS properties as well. And then there are things that are very specific to every enterprise that they're differentiated against.Elad Gil: Um, I'm sure you have heard much and participate in much of the debate about the end of software because all these workflows are, are cheap to generate now. Um, do you think the equilibrium looks different between what agents get built- Yeah ... in enterprises versus in their vendors in the future? Yeah. So I think what's happening there is, see, we, we had a particular way we captured, um, I would say workflow in apps, right?Satya Nadella: Because we built a, a data model, right? We schematized some part of some business process. Mm-hmm. We then built a bunch of business logic. Yep. And then we put a bunch of UI [00:17:00] on top of it, right? So that's kind of what every SaaS company- And a little configuration. For, like, 20, 20 years that was the plan.Right, that- Yeah ... and that was it. So interestingly enough, now you kind of get to re-litigate that vertical stacking, right? So I still think, for example, that data model that you built underneath every SaaS application is super good, right? Like, why reinvent it? Like, I, I, my general ledger better be a general ledger.I don't need new schema creation. No. Uh, in fact, that entity relationship, uh, is actually pretty good, robust thing that I want to feed. And you want it to be stable. That's right. Yeah. Then same thing with business logic, right? If, if you look at, uh... We have this product called Power BI, right? It is like dashboards galore people created.The beauty underneath that dashboard is a very rich semantic model, right? Someone took the pain to create a dashboard and do all the measures, and you want that. That's business logic, right? I want that to be available to me. So I think the [00:18:00] challenge of the SaaS business model is we packaged one way. We now have to learn how to unbundle these things and rebundle in new ways and discover new business models, right?I mean, if you look at it, d- what's happening today with Microsoft 365 is a great example, right? We have this thing called Work IQ. In fact, like, what we are realizing is, oh my God, like, you know, if you look at... In fact, there's a pa- historical parallel too, right? We sold first Exchange and SharePoint and, uh, you know, before Teams, we had a thing called Lync Server and what have you, and we thought, “Oh, that's all gonna move to the cloud.”But little did we realize that, um, the number of people who will use servers in the cloud is 10X, 100X, right? Because people were not buying servers, they were just buying a subscription. Mm-hmm. The same thing is now happening with M365 because with Work IQ, we have exposed what is perhaps the most important database in a company that never got used as a database because it was only captive to our apps.Mm-hmm. Right? It, it was all email operated on it, Teams operated [00:19:00] on it, Word, Excel, PowerPoint, SharePoint. But now, like this is one of the coo- coolest things I get to do with Work IQ. I go to a GitHub repo and I say, “Hey, I attended a bunch of design meetings last week related to this repo. Can you capture all that and tell me what changes I should make?”I mean, think about that, right? It literally can go look at all those transcripts, come back with a plan to change a code base, right? Previously, you could never have thought of using M365 for something like that. So the value creation opportunity now in the agent world is in fact 10X more, but it does require us to have...Sarah Guo: For example, there's going to be usage around M365, right? Which is going to be perhaps more than even the e- end users and we have to even re-architect. Like, in fact, like what I use to serve an inbox or a mailbox cannot be used to serve an agent. Uh, and so that's sort of what we are doing.Pricing Models: Per-User, Consumption & OutcomesSarah Guo: I don't believe in, like, permanent business models for any of these domains, but in the [00:20:00] near term, do you have a prediction between, uh, you know, outcomes-based pricing, token-based pricing?Elad Gil: Enterprise bundles Yeah. The way I- I think about this is always we've had... Like, let's even take the per-user pricing. Mm-hmm. The per-user pricing is really an artifact of someone creating a budget needing certainty, right? Because it's the most important thing. Like, somebody wants a budget- Mm-hmm ... they need a per user.Satya Nadella: And, and per user is just a set of entitlements to usage, right? That's kind of what it is. And so the way is, if the first bundling will be take some usage, bundle it into per user stacks and, you know, then sell subscriptions. So subscriptions I think are gonna be there, per user is gonna be there. Then the next big thing will be consumption.So people will say, “I want consumption.” And it's also possible that people will say, “I don't even want to pay for any of the subscriptions or the consumption's outcome.” Mm. But remember, most people love outcomes until they have an outcome, because once you have an outcome, it's like giving away royalty, [00:21:00] right?Mm. I mean, like I, I've talked to customers who love, you know, outcome-based pricing, and I say, “I'm all in,” until they, “Oh my God,” like, “what are you talking about? You're sharing in my outcome? No, no, no. I want you to go back to per-user pricing, and I want you to consumption price,” right? So I think that debate will go on.Uh, but and all, all, all of these business models have a particular time and a place versus one to rule them all. And if anything, if you're a SaaS vendor or you're a platform vendor, having that flexibility... And quite frankly, we face this with GitHub, right? We just recently announced a per-user pricing on GitHub because little, you know, we- GitHub Copilot was constructed at a per-user level before we understood even, uh, the intensity of usage of agents, right?It was an interactive way for a developer to use code complete, maybe tasks. It was not like, oh, I launched 10,000, you know, agents that are going on all day, right? So that is what the adjustment is about. So now that we really want, there will [00:22:00] always be a per user, but there will have to be a consumption meter.Durability of SaaS & Build vs BuySarah Guo: How do you think about the durability of SaaS more generally? One thing I've observed is in a lot of enterprises internally, there will be teams that almost have agent euphoria. They're so excited about the explosion of things they can build that they're trying to rebuild a lot of applications or going to their SaaS vendors and saying, “We're not gonna work with you anymore,” or, “We're considering an internal project.”And it seems like in six to nine months, maybe some of those people will come back and say, “Actually, we, we can't rebuild everything.” How do you think about what's durable in this world and what isn't? Yeah, it's a... It... I think we have to go through one full budget cycle on this to really see the, um- Uh, the sort of the emergence of the equilibrium, because at the end of the day, there's marginal cost to even generating the app, right?Elad Gil: In, in fact, there can be even a, a simple way to say it, like if you should always acquire something if the marginal cost of building and maintaining, uh, something on your own is higher. Uh, right? That should be like it's a quantifiable- Yeah. Right? A quantifiable thing. And [00:23:00] the maintenance part is important, right?Even, like you got to remember like, hey, you know, all the security stuff that now AI will find, you better fix them too fast. Uh, of course, there's a coding agent to help you with, but then that burns tokens, right? So whose responsibility is it? It's kind of like a, a cycle that you've got to think through.And I think we have gone through the excitement that I can generate a lot of software. I think the next thing would be what software do I really want to generate? Mm-hmm. What software do I want to use from others? How do I compose these two into some agentic workflow that I have agency over, right?Sarah Guo: Because I think there'll be very little tolerance for anybody who's inflexible, uh, at the vendor level. Uh, but at the same time, I think that anyone who has got that flexibility shows up, delivers the value, will be back at again, right? We're selling software, uh, but with just different business models, in fact Uh, speaking about building software, um, one of my favorite moments from, I think, a previous build maybe one or two years ago was they had a b- they, they...Swyx: There was a section of you building your [00:24:00] own software. I'm curious if you're building anything now. Yeah. So I, I think the... You know, first of all, let's face it, right? Building software has made it possible for even the incompetence of a CEO of a company- ... like ours, uh, you can build, so thank God. But that said, I, I, I, I do feel that, you know, something like, um, GitHub Copilot to me, and especially the new Sessions app or the new app, has just made it so much more possible for you to have agency over artifacts that you felt you couldn't touch before, right?Satya Nadella: So to, for me as a CEO, even to go to a code base, uh, to be able to learn about it, like I remember joining Microsoft long back, you know, first and then you say, man, everybody had to go in and look at, you know, whatever, Cutler's, Malik, or what have you to learn how to do good C, uh, C++ code. Um, so now that ability to be more full stack up and down is so good, but that doesn't mean every one of us should be doing the same thing.The question is: [00:25:00] how do you then have the ability to inspect things, learn things, see things, um, I think is just so much more. And so to me, what I'm building a lot of is these long-running Foundry agents. Uh, right? So there's autopilots. So the easiest thing is, to me, I think I just built one, uh, even last week, where the idea was, hey, can I have an agent that is continuously monitoring essentially my own chief of staff autopilot, right?We're gonna have that obviously in, uh, Scout. That's what, uh, uh, we showed. But it is so easy and trivial to build. I took Work IQ. I said, “Take Work IQ, go, uh, and build a Foundry long-running agent.” Uh, store all the memory in, um, uh, using Ray Fin, right? Basically at my backend as a service. And lo and behold, it built it, and not only built it, I could say publish to Teams, and it published the damn thing to Teams.Sarah Guo: So the ability, uh, to have a, you know, some end-to-end project like this complete is just pretty [00:26:00] miraculous. How do you think, uh,Future Engineering RolesSarah Guo: that impacts the different types of engineering roles that exist in the future? Because right now I think there's, you know, a dozen different types of engineers that you can be, from QA, front end, et cetera.You know, there's a big swath. I've heard some people argue that in four or five years we'll basically end up with four engineering roles. It'll be people who are managing agents, it'll be four deployed engineers or FDEs, it'll be security engineers, and then people working on large scale infrastructure for a small number of services, and then everything else just collapses into the agentic world.Satya Nadella: Yeah, I- Do you think that's a correct view of the world? Yeah, I mean, I think, I think we'll have to experiment our way through it. But what you said is what... There are some very at scale things. At LinkedIn, they did structurally change- Mm-hmm ... uh, and it, you know, basically built up a new discipline called full stack builder, right?So they went and said, “Hey, let's bring, uh, people from design and product management, front end engineering, all put them together.” Uh, but also have an edge, right? It's not like the design person still doesn't have the design edge, or the front end [00:27:00] person doesn't have the front end edge, but you can give yourself bigger scope in roles so that you're not confined to one role.Um, and then r- equally, infrastructure has become very critical, right? So in other words, like, I mean, RLEs, I mean, one thing we've realized is even for the Excel team, for example. Mm-hmm. Building the RLE in which a reward can be learned is actually one of the hardest sort of infrastructure problems.Mm-hmm. Uh, and so you kind of need even new talent, right? Distributed systems people even in what was considered an end user app team, uh, because it's a different skill set. So yes, infrastructure, science is the other one, obviously. Um, so I think we'll see how these evolve, right? Where's the s- real... I mean, always the world will have a bunch of specialists.Okay. Um, you know, I think the generalist role is going to be the most exciting, right? Because the leverage of a generalist- Mm-hmm ... um, is where we are going to see the maximum returns, right? When, when you said, “Hey, are you coding?” I'm now a gen- Like, what... I've basically translated [00:28:00] knowledge work Right?Which I did, where I created a Word document or a spreadsheet, or even, uh... And now I can build an app, right? It's in the same sentence. Uh, right? That idea that, “Oh, wow, my generalist skills have gotten higher leverage,” I think is what we're gonna see across the board. Music to the ears of CEOs and VCs that are, like, a little dangerous and a lot of- Golden age for idea peopleSarah Guo: idea people. Yeah. Uh- With a lot of agency. I- if you take that idea of personal agency and you just zoom it out to the organizational context, um, uh, my partner Mike Renall, who, uh, actually started his career at Microsoft, just wrote an essay where one of the big takeaways is i- it's an age where you can be much more ambitious, and you need to be, given the pace of the environment and how quickly, actually, users and companies are open to adopting new technologies.Satya Nadella: Um, how do you think about... I, I feel silly asking this of somebody running a, you know, trillion-dollar-plus company already, butAmbition & Making the Impossible PossibleSatya Nadella: how do you think about how Microsoft can be more ambitious now? It's a great question. Um, I [00:29:00] think, um- I think the, the thing in these type of transitions is to have a conceptual model of how work can change to go after outcomes that you could hardly imagine previously, right?In fact, Kevin Scott has this nice line, right, which is, um, when you can make the impossible... Like, when you're making hard things easier, that's sort of one point of leverage. But true ambition is about making the impossible possible. So now the thing that is missing a little bit in all of our organizations is what is that new conceptual model of what can we build?What was impossible and what can we build? And I'll give you one example of this, right, which is I take great inspiration from sort of the people who were managing the Azure net- network. And they came to the... This was from even last year. You know, we were scaling. You saw that I, I [00:30:00] talked about sort of how we built in the last 15 months more Azure capacity than we built in the first 15 years.I mean, it's crazy. Wild. Yeah. Right? It's pretty wild. And it's the same team. So they saw that and they said, “Bob, this just ain't gonna work if we don't reconceptualize our work.” So they built... Essentially they said, “Our job is not to do Azure networking. Our job is to build the agentic system does, that, that does Azure networking,” right?These are the folks managing the 500-plus fiber operators managing the VAN, right, all over. And fiber operations ultimately is a physical operation. Things get cut, things get, uh, you know, have to be repaired. You know, we have fancy words called DevOps and so on. Basically, emails are coming in and you gotta go respond to them, take care of it.So they built this agentic system. They even have a character for it. It's called Miles, and it sort of does all this stuff, right? They started sort of screaming for more tokens and so on. And so they were saying, “Look, uh, we don't need a headcount. We need tokens in order to be able to [00:31:00] manage, uh, our operation.”That reconceptualization- Mm-hmm ... of what their work is, right? They, they basically took their work and made it meta, right? That meta work is now their new work. Mm-hmm. Right? In the ‘80s, if somebody had come to us and said, “4 billion people are gonna get up in the morning and start typing,” my model would've been, we need 4 billion typists?But we're not doing typing, we're doing knowledge work. So that, to me, I think is it, right, which is whether it's Microsoft or whether it's any organization, is to give ourselves permission to do new types of metacognition, meta work, using these new tools to change the outputs that matter, uh, and then really make the impossible possible.Sarah Guo: So completing that dot or the, the connective tissue across those, I think, is where a lot of the enterprise value will get created.Data Center Build-Out & Community ImpactSarah Guo: Should we talk about data centers? Yeah, please ask. Oh, okay. Well, uh, uh, w- we-- this leads nicely into the data center build-up. I always think, I- I just-- I'm just impressed at the sheer scale of the [00:32:00] build-out from Microsoft, but also everyone else, that this is redefining what it means to be a hyperscaler.And I just feel like that, that, that is at unprecedented scale on finances, uh, on the way you run the company, but also the communities that are, that are impacted. Um, yeah, just talk a bit more about what you're seeing on the ground, like when you visit your- Yeah, I think there are two aspects of it.Satya Nadella: Obviously, the, the build-out is, uh, extraordinary. Um, you know, nothing like this has happened, and it's great to be, uh, one of the participants in it. Uh, but you brought up the other part, right? I think at this point it's clear that unless we as an industry, uh, are very principled about ensuring that the benefits of all the stuff we're talking about are felt in real ways, uh, at the community level, right?Because this is not just a, a campaign, um, right? It has to be real, where people are saying, “Look, this is not ch- changing the prices on energy for me.” In fact, if anything, it's bringing down prices because long term there's going to be a better [00:33:00] grid, there is going to be more energy. Water consumption is, in fact, not sort of, uh...In fact, water is being replenished, right? You gotta really, you know, educate folks on truly what's happening, the cl- uh, the closed loop systems we are building. We have to invest in the training, the jobs, the tax base. In fact, the least talked about stuff is the amount of jobs that get created during construction, after construction.What's the tax base that's there in the community? And, and all this has to be real. Um, and, and if that is the case, then we will have permission. If it is not, we won't have permission. It's as simple as that, right? Which is, uh, we, we... I think we have to take it as an industry pretty seriously. Uh, I think it's good for communities to be skeptical, ask the hard questions, for us to do the hard work, earn that.Um, but at the end of the day, if there's-- if we can really be the produ-- Wait. I've always felt like in human history, if you use a lot of energy but also create a lot of value for society- The story has been fantastic. If you don't [00:34:00] do that, it's not been that great. And this time around, I'm a firm believer that ultimately if you do have a token economy that drives productivity, that drives economic growth, that drives broad spread, um, you know, participation, better health outcomes, um, then I think we'll be in a great place.Sarah Guo: Uh, and that's at least what we all have to be focused on. Yeah. It, it makes me think actually that with all these initiatives that you're doing, might be e- easier to see ROI in the communities first before in enterprise. Yeah. I, I mean, I think both sides. Yeah. In fact, it comes back together. It has to be the people in the communities are going to be employed, are going to be participants, uh, in the real economy, right?Satya Nadella: That's I think the question is. Like, if we- if the broad economy is doing well and the communities are doing well, the dots get connected. It's sort of the market forces are such that we will connect the dots. And that I think is it. Like, you ought to be able to see the evidence. You can't be about o- any one company, uh, but it has to be broad economic growth and broad [00:35:00] ec- you know, community permission.Elad Gil: Yeah. I guess I wanna talk aboutSocietal Impact & Optimism About AIElad Gil: what you're most optimistic about currently or what have you most updated your personal models on regarding societal impact of AI? So you're saying what's the, the, the- What have you updated most on in terms of societal impact of AI? Yeah. I think the, um, the p- the most, um- Critical thing is the first question we even started with, which is we need to tell the story and make it real that everybody has a real shot to participate as a first-class participant in this new economy.Satya Nadella: Right? That's kind of, I think we- in the next 12 months, 18 months, we need a way for people to say, “Oh, wow, I get it.” Right? There's going to be tremendous capability, tremendous amount of infrastructure, but I can see what is going to happen, whether it's the benefits like health outcomes or my ability to create a startup or my ability to run my [00:36:00] local sort of, uh, store more efficiently.It's just happening, and I see that, uh, benefit myself, right? That to me, you know, earning that permission in a path-dependent way, we can't wait. See, the one thing, Eli, that I've now learned is I think the world is gonna be very skeptical of tech and tech companies that say, “Trust us, we've got it. The g- future is gonna be glorious.”Sarah Guo: Uh, you kind of have to deliver tangible benefits. Um, and quite frankly, politicians winning elections, uh, because they have advocated for that. That will be at least my adjustment because without it, um, thinking that somehow... Because it's too important this time around. It's too much of the economy for it not to be the case So one very simple framework I have for, you know, what are, what is gonna be the broad benefit of AI, um, beyond the communities just working in technology, are, are sort of wealth creation- Yepit's [00:37:00] gonna happen in a ton of different companies, startups and large companies. Then you have healthcare. Uh, you, you had amazing demos today. There are companies like Open Evidence. I think that is happening. Um,Education & Future of LearningSarah Guo: education seems like another one that's an- Yep ... obvious good where we haven't seen as much impact as I'd expect.Swyx: Do you have a hypothesis on why that might be, or if it'll come? Yeah, I mean, I think this is where, again, how we think about education, how... You know, recently I met with, uh, the founders of Alpha School and learnt a lot about what they were going and going about, and it's fascinating to listen, uh, to how to even rethink- MmSatya Nadella: uh, what does education really look like. Because I think it's actually very important. Mm. Uh, and I'm not saying anything traditionally being done is less important, right? I was even looking at the, uh... It's fascinating to see. I, I, I forget the which Stanford class it was, uh, the, the Asian guidelines for CS something.Mm. Uh, because you still need people to learn. Uh, like it was an interesting AI class that they were making sure people were learning how to apply softmax appropriately versus saying, “Hey, fix my training run.” Mm-hmm. Uh, so I think learning concepts is important. It's going to [00:38:00] be, uh, critical. But the way we create the incentives, what are the credentials, how we value those credentials, what is the employment opportunity for those credentials?So I think that there's a complete change that has to happen, uh, given the way to get to information, way to educate yourself, way to continuously keep yourself updated has changed so much. So I think interestingly enough, maybe the next big startup and success story could be someone who builds a new university, um, or a new, um, pedagogy even of how to get someone to go through a curriculum and find economic opportunity, uh, that's highly valuable.Well, that has felt, uh, perhaps impossible for a long time, but it's a great note to end on and something that might be possible. It's still possible. Yeah. Thank you, Satya. Thank you so much. Thank you. Yeah. I appreciate it. Thank you all. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.latent.space/subscribe

In this episode of The Big Table, I sit down with bestselling author and entrepreneur Dr. Benjamin Hardy to break down the principles behind The Science of Scaling and what it really takes to 10X a business in 3 years or less.Most entrepreneurs focus on growth. Benjamin explains why growth and scaling are not the same thing, and why so many businesses get stuck between $1M and $5M in revenue. We dive into the strategies, mindset shifts, and decision making frameworks that help founders move from incremental progress to exponential results.Benjamin shares his proven 10X framework, the power of setting impossible goals, how to identify the few actions that create the majority of results, and why scaling requires a completely different way of thinking about business, leadership, strategy, and opportunity.If you're a business owner, entrepreneur, CEO, sales leader, or growth-minded professional looking to scale your company, increase revenue, build a stronger team, and create a bigger future, this conversation is packed with actionable insights you can apply immediately.Dr. Benjamin Hardy: https://www.benjaminhardy.com/Scaling.com: https://scaling.com/getstarted1In this episode:The difference between business growth and business scalingBenjamin Hardy's 10X FrameworkHow to scale a business in 2026Why most businesses never reach their true potentialThe science behind exponential growthHow to think from the future instead of the pastThe power law principle and finding your highest-leverage activitiesBuilding a scalable business modelStrategic partnerships and accelerated growthWhy accountability is critical for scalingHow successful entrepreneurs create quantum leaps in businessChapters:00:00 - Power Laws00:47 - Dr. Benjamin Hardy02:25 - The Problem With Scaling06:25 -Opportunity Confusion09:25 - Quantum Leaps14:20 - Studying Scale22:54 - The Big Table23:38 - Choosing Strategy 29:30 - Hardy's Personal Skills 33:36 - Getting In A System36:05 - Learning To Learn41:00 - Locating Purpose43:50 - Closing Remarks45:32 - Like and Subscribe!________________________________Get connected with Coach Burt:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/michealburtTikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@therealcoachburtFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/CoachMichealBurtLinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/michealburtDive deeper with Coach and his concepts:Free PreyDrive Planner: https://planner.coachburt.com/plannerEvents: https://www.thegreatnessfactory.com/eventsJoin Our Group Coaching: https://www.thegreatnessfactory.com/membershipHire Me To Speak: https://www.coachburt.com/bookcoachCheck Out My Books: https://books.coachburt.com/books#BenjaminHardy #BusinessScaling #10XGrowth #TheScienceOfScaling #BusinessGrowth #Entrepreneurship #ScalingBusiness #Leadership #BusinessStrategy #CoachBurt #TheBigTablePodcast #BusinessSuccess #RevenueGrowth #CEO #Founder #ScalingFramework #GrowthMindset #QuantumLeap #FutureSelf #HighPerformance

And another 1'Episode 3 from Season 8'Jessica Hunter joins the MAC Effect Podcast and brings ENERGY!!!Mrs Hunter shares tons of valuable jewels and life stories that carry life lessons.From coming from a blended family, parents divorcing, we found some daddy issues during the episode, to failed relationships, and more. But you know one thing that was never missing?? The love of God that guided and opened all the right doors. It wasn't in Gods plans, but God has a plan for it… and has Jessica flourishing in those plans, literally blooming! Lol'She also shared the importance of not having a plan B, its plan A, Plan A and Plan A. The goal to stay committed to your words and decisions, the same way we fight for our goals and dreams, you will fight 10X harder for the holy commitment of a Union (Marriage)It was a true honor to has Jessica, I pray you learn and grab the essentials that where meant for you.Please feel free to reach out and ask any questions for myself or guest, comment, email or reach out directly.My email is Themaceffect19@gmail.com for all questions and inquiries.Remember; You are not alone; We share together, walk together and heal together'As each season passes us; we remain humbled and appreciative for all the love and support. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I send prayers and blessings to you and your loved ones. The love does not stay here, its recycles for us all… in JesusChrist name.#Themaceffect #maceffect #mac #mikecampos6 #god #love #hope #faith #joy #question #hurtpeople #hurt #healing #healpeople #healingmind #healingbody #heartofgold #healingspirit #morals #chorebelieves #growingpain #thewilltofight #keepgoing #youhavepurpose #awakening #understanding #building #fundamentals #ihaveaquestion #iwanttolearn #growing #growingpains #letsgetitright #nottoday #nottodaysatan #jesuschrist #inJesusname #lovealwayswins #peace #letsgetit #testing #learning #process #developing #maturing #fatherhood #motherhood #husband #wife #partnership #equals #tildeath #god #processing #process #guest #podcast #shorts #growth #development #growth #purpose #will #plans #goals #challange #opportunity #welcoming #bringit #letgoletgo #lakersin5 

On this episode of CoinDesk's Public Keys at the New York Stock Exchange, Jennifer Sanasie is joined by CoinDesk Indices President Dave LaValle to unpack a $2.97 billion outflow streak from Bitcoin ETFs and what it really means for institutional adoption.Bloomberg Intelligence Senior ETF Analyst Eric Balchunas joins the show to explain why the recent outflows may be more noise than signal, share his bullish outlook on the fast-rising HYPE ETFs, and discuss how firms like Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, and BlackRock are expanding access to Bitcoin through new investment products. In this week's 10X segment, LaValle breaks down the fundamentals of margin trading, explaining what separates professional traders from retail investors when it comes to managing leverage, risk, and conviction. Plus, Stellar Development Foundation CEO and Executive Director Denelle Dixon discusses DTCC's decision to select Stellar as the first public blockchain connected to its upcoming tokenized securities settlement platform, and what it means for the future of tokenization and institutional blockchain adoption. - This episode of Public Keys is brought to you by Kraken. For more: ⁠https://pro.kraken.com/⁠ - Timecodes: 00:00 Welcome to Public Keys 00:54 Jamie Dimon vs Brian Armstrong on Stablecoin Yields 03:21 Bitcoin ETFs Shed $2.97B in Outflows 05:50 BTC ETFs Post Worst Week Since January 06:50 Grayscale Amends HYPE ETF Filing 08:36 Bloomberg Intelligence's Eric Balchunas Joins Public Keys 09:39 Why BTC ETF Outflows Are Just 'Noise' 13:00 Wall Street's New BTC Products: Goldman, Morgan Stanley, iShares 15:33 HYPE Is the 'Hansel from Zoolander' of Crypto ETFs 17:57 Will SpaceX ETFs Pull Capital from Crypto? 20:42 10X: What Separates Pro Traders from Retail 22:25 Knowing Your 'Out': The Biggest Mistake in Margin Trading 25:06 Stellar Development Foundation's Denelle Dixon on the DTCC Tokenization Deal 26:14 Stellar Hits $3B in Tokenized Assets in Five Months 28:46 Can Blockchains Handle DTCC-Level Volume? 30:21 Digital Twins and the Issuer-Led Tokenization Question 31:50 Will One Blockchain Win the RWA Race? - This episode was hosted by Jennifer Sanasie.

The single most effective, fulfilling, and fun way to market your financial services is by leveraging the incredible powers of niche marketing.  But if you're like most advisors, you go about picking a niche in a completely backwards way, burning out before getting any real traction, and giving up way too soon.  That's why I recorded this episode.  If you listen to it, then implement what's discussed, I have no doubt that niche marketing will become at least 10X easier, 10X more profitable, and even 10X more fun.  Best part? Nothing about it is difficult. Especially when compared to what you've been doing up until today.  Stop playing the marketing game on expert difficulty.  Listen now to lower the difficulty to easy.  Show highlights include: The single dumbest way to pick a niche (and why nearly every financial advisor messes this up) (0:32)  3 questions to ask when picking a niche to make it 10x easier (and a rarely mentioned 4th question that pours gasoline on the fire) (1:50)  Why picking your niche like you pick food from a menu is completely backwards and only causes frustration and wasted opportunity cost (2:22)  The #1 cause of financial advisor burnout that nobody talks about and is easily avoidable when you follow the advice given at (5:58)  The secret that separates advisors who build amazing businesses very quickly from financial advisors who have to grind and hustle and never reach the upper echelon of success (7:26)  Why leveraging "homophily" (a fancy sounding word with a simple concept) will forever change how you see, and profit from, niche marketing (10:28)  4 weird ways to "borrow" credibility from people and experiences your niche naturally likes and trusts (13:14)  Since you listen to this podcast, I want to give you a gift: If you subscribe to the Inner Circle Newsletter, I'll send you a collection of seven "objection busting" and copyright free emails, personally written by me, that you can use right away to begin getting more clients. Sign up here: https://TheAdvisorCoach.com/Coaching. Then, let me know you subscribed, and I will reply back with a link where you can download them for free.

Send me a derm question or story through text or voicemail!A new JAK inhibitor has officially entered the veterinary market but where does it fit into managing allergic dogs?In this episode of The Derm Vet Podcast, I sit down with boarded veterinary dermatologist Dr. Christine McKinney from Merck Animal Health to discuss Numelvi, the newest JAK inhibitor approved in the United States for canine allergic dermatitis. We break down what makes this medication unique, how it compares to other allergy therapies, and why having multiple treatment options matters when managing complicated allergic patients.We also dive into practical approaches for itch control, infection management, and building confidence when treating chronic allergy cases in practice. If you manage itchy dogs regularly and want to stay up to date on the latest dermatology treatments, this episode is packed with valuable clinical insights.Watch The Episode: https://www.youtube.com/@thedermvet3932Follow The Derm Vet Podcast: https://www.instagram.com/thedermvetpod/Follow Me: https://www.instagram.com/thedermvet/Timestamps and references: 7:26: At the recommended treatment dose, Numelvi is at least 10X more selective for JAK1 over the other JAK enzymes in in vitro assays. Reference: Kowalski T, Schuette S. The second-generation Janus kinase inhibitor atinvicitinib is a potent and highly selective inhibitor of JAK1. Vet Dermatol. 2026;37(2):179.8:03: At the recommended treatment dose, Numelvi is at least 10X more selective for JAK1 over the other JAK enzymes in in vitro assays. Reference: Kowalski T, Schuette S. The second-generation Janus kinase inhibitor atinvicitinib is a potent and highly selective inhibitor of JAK1. Vet Dermatol. 2026;37(2):179.8:07: JAK1 is the primary driver of itch and inflammation. Reference: Huang I, Chung W, Wu P, Chen C. JAK-STAT signaling pathway in the pathogenesis of atopic dermatitis: an updated review. Front Immunol. 2022;13:106826010:36: At the recommended treatment dose, Numelvi is at least 10X more selective for JAK1 over the other JAK enzymes in in vitro assays. Reference: Kowalski T, Schuette S. The second-generation Janus kinase inhibitor atinvicitinib is a potent and highly selective inhibitor of JAK1. Vet Dermatol. 2026;37(2):179.21:52: Numelvi, starts reducing itch within 2-4 hours in a canine interleukin-31 (cIL-31)-induced pruritus model Reference: Kowalski T, Prohaczik A, Locke K, Samson C, Hope K. The second-generation Janus kinase inhibitor atinvicitinib significantly reduces pruritus 2-4 hours after dosing dogs in a canine interleukin-31 model. Vet Dermatol. 2026;37(2):179-180.23:13: Numelvi, starts reducing itch within 2-4 hours in a canine interleukin-31 (cIL-31)-induced pruritus model Reference: Kowalski T, Prohaczik A, Locke K, Samson C, Hope K. The second-generation Janus kinase inhibitor atinvicitinib significantly reduces pruritus 2-4 hours after dosing dogs in a canine interleukin-31 model. Vet Dermatol. 2026;37(2):179-180.Timestamps00:00 Intro02:29 The Complexity of Canine Allergic Dermatitis06:44 What is Numelvi and How Does it Work?13:50 Dosing Guidelines and Tablet Specifications16:57 Candidate Selection and Infection Control21:37 Onset of Action and Efficacy Timeline24:08 Final ThoughtsThis episode is sponsored by Merck Animal Health

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The Cardone Zone – Episode 309: Origins  Before the growth or partnerships. Before success at scale, there were the origins. In this episode of The Cardone Zone, Grant Cardone and Brandon Dawson take us on a journey into their past and the early stages of their careers, the mindset that fueled their rise, and the joint venture that brought two powerhouse operators together. It's the foundation it takes to build something meaningful, scalable,  Follow us on all social platforms @GrantCardone for more content on wealth, entrepreneurship, scaling businesses, and the 10X mindset. Visit GrantCardone.com for information on upcoming events, business training, and the latest tools designed to help you expand your success. TRT:53:00:02

In this episode, I sit down for the third time with the legendary Grant Cardone — real estate mogul, founder of Cardone Capital, and creator of the 10X movement — and this one is the most raw and strategic conversation we've ever had. Grant breaks down his brand-new Real Estate + Bitcoin hybrid fund model, explaining exactly why he's fusing institutional-quality multifamily properties with Bitcoin on the same balance sheet, and why REITs — despite managing hundreds of billions — simply cannot replicate what he's doing. We also get into the origin story of the 10X Growth Conference, why he's shutting it down and pivoting to a wealth management model to compete with Charles Schwab and Merrill Lynch, how his Cardone Foundation is giving inner-city kids access to entrepreneurial education, and why he believes most people should never flip homes. Grant also opens up about the personal and legal challenges that come with scaling at his level, how partnerships protect you, and what the coming "tidal wave" of distressed real estate will mean for investors who are positioned and patient. GRANT CARDONE Grant Cardone is the CEO of Cardone Capital and Cardone Training Technologies, Inc., owning and operating over seven privately held companies. Cardone Capital is a private equity real estate firm managing a multifamily portfolio worth over $5 billion. Under his leadership, the firm has acquired a diversified portfolio comprising 14,600 multifamily units and 500,000 square feet of commercial office space across high-growth U.S. markets, raising more than $1.65 billion in equity from nearly 20,000 accredited and non-accredited investors, while distributing over $400 million in returns with zero investor principal losses. Grant is a New York Times bestselling author, international speaker, and is considered one of the top sales training and social media experts in the world, with over 15 million followers, fans, and connections across his platforms. He is also the founder of the 10X Movement and creator of Cardone University, and in 2024 he pioneered a first-of-its-kind real estate and Bitcoin hybrid investment fund model through Cardone Capital SOCIAL LINKS Platform Handle / Link Website grantcardone.com Instagram @grantcardone X / Twitter @GrantCardone LinkedIn linkedin.com/in/grantcardone ️ YouTube youtube.com/@GrantCardone About Justin: Justin Colby is the host of The Entrepreneur DNA and The M.O.R.E Show podcasts and a best-selling author. He is a serial entrepreneur and a seasoned real estate investor with over 20 years of experience. Driven by a passion to help entrepreneurs thrive, Justin created the Entrepreneur DNA community to support business owners in building wealth, systems, and long-term freedom. Through his podcasts, books, education platforms, and hands-on mentorship, he continues to help entrepreneurs scale with clarity and confidence. Connect with Justin: Instagram: @thejustincolby YouTube: Justin Colby TikTok: @justincolbytsof  LinkedIn: Justin Colby Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this episode of the Lead Ministry Podcast, Josh Denhart sits down with Nick Blevins — author of The Volunteer Playbook and co-founder of Ministry Boost — to tackle the volunteer problem head-on. They explore why most church leaders have never been taught how to recruit, offering a five-step framework and the surprising 10X volunteer conversion rate that reframes how ministry leaders should think about building their teams.If you've ever felt like you're constantly plugging holes and pulling your hair out on Sunday mornings, this episode will give you a system to replace the scramble.Key Topics Covered→ The Volunteer Conversion Rate (VCR) – Why you need 10 prospects for every 1 volunteer you want to place, and how to build a prospect pool that actually works→ The 5-Step Recruiting Framework – Prospects, conversation, orientation, onboarding, and placed — a repeatable system for moving people from the lobby to the classroom→ Time + Strategy – Why blocking two hours a week for recruiting is the single most important habit a ministry leader can buildKey Quote "You got to be a shepherd before you're a recruiter."Scripture References Matthew 9:37-38 – "The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few." Judges 7 (Gideon) – Referenced as an example of God accomplishing his purposes with fewer people than expected.Takeaway The volunteer problem isn't a mystery — it's a math and systems problem. Most churches don't lack willing people; they lack a consistent process to find, invite, orient, and place them. Two hours a week, a real prospect list, and a framework that moves people through clear steps will transform your recruiting from frantic to sustainable.Call to Action We hope this episode encourages and equips you. Share it with a friend and stay tuned for more resources each week.Stay Connected for More Resources Visit our website: http://leadministry.com Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/LeadVolunteers Find us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leadvolunteers

Join Dr. Charli and special guest Adam Davis in a remarkable story of transformation that didn't just save Adam's life...but saved his family. This amazing interview is filled with wisdom you will want to hear over and over. Adam Davis is the 10X author and co-author of Bulletproof Family: A 90-Day Devotional. His wisdom about the enemy's tactics to destroy families from childhood trauma will challenge you to be better, do better and live better through Christ Jesus. Active-Faith.org charli@active-faith.com theadamdavis.com Buy Adam's latest book here!

In this episode of Tank Talks, host Matt Cohen sits down with Jason Shuman, General Partner at Primary Ventures, New York's largest dedicated seed fund. With a journey that spans from raising money for a nonprofit at eight years old to driving Uber at night while sourcing deals like Latch, Jason's experience offers valuable insights for founders, especially those navigating the challenges of building companies in the AI era.Jason shares his entrepreneurial beginnings, the painful lessons from shutting down his DTC footwear brand Category5, and how that shaped his investing philosophy at Primary. He also discusses why software-only moats are dead, how Primary's 60-person impact team delivers customers (not just capital), and the firm's unique incubation model that backs founders only after the wedge is validated. From vertical AI to hardware-activated agent networks, Jason dives into the key principles he follows in his investing and why he still believes backing great founders beats incubating anything.Whether you're interested in AI, venture capital, or building deep-tech companies, Jason's story provides inspiration and practical wisdom.From Sick Kid to Serial Founder: Jason's Origin Story (01:53)* Growing up outside Boston with a family of entrepreneurs and a mother who was a therapist* Being diagnosed with primary immune deficiency as a child and becoming a spokesperson for the Jeffrey Modell Foundation at age eight* Why a life lived with urgency became the defining trait of his careerBuilding and Winding Down Category5 (05:33)* Launching a direct-to-consumer boat shoe brand while still in college - before Shopify was good and when Facebook ads were cheap* The hard realization that a brand without a visual cue has a ceiling, and why he saw the Allbirds story coming* Hitting his quarter-life crisis at 23, burning out, and what he learned from the processBreaking Into Venture: Sourcing Deals While Driving Uber (11:38)* How Jason made money driving Uber nights while sourcing deals during the day in 2014* Building a bridge between Boston founders and New York VCs - one warm intro at a time* The story of Latch: why a B2B mortise lock for apartment buildings, with near-perfect logo retention and CapEx billing, was the first deal he ever sourcedWorking with Mark Gerson and the Family Office Years (16:17)* Meeting Mark Gerson at a dinner, not knowing who he was, and getting a cold call months later* The lessons in trust, urgency, and delegation he learned running the family office* Backing AI sales enablement, AI accounting, and robotics in 2015 - and why being too early is almost always better than being too lateJoining Primary: The Case for Concentrated Seed (21:14)* Why Jason chose a principal role at a six-person, $190M AUM Primary over a partner title elsewhere* What he saw in founders Ben and Brad that others were missing - the depth of diligence, the buttoned-up fundraising, the point of view* How Primary has scaled from $190M to $1.6B AUM while staying obsessively focused on seedPrimary's Differentiated Model: Impact, Incubation, and the 60-Person Team (25:56)* The three things companies need most - customers, people, and capital - and how the Impact team is built around them* How a VC firm's email address can deliver a 25X higher outbound conversion rate than a startup's own SDRs* The “glass ball” monthly review process: triaging the highest-priority risks across the portfolio before anything breaksWhy Platform Is Broken - and What Primary Does Instead (31:36)* Why most VC platform teams are set up to fail: too few people, too many companies, treated as second-class* Primary's Impact team is run by former C-suite executives from multi-hundred-million-dollar ARR companies* The shift to AI-native operating inside the platform team - and what that means for portfolio companiesVertical AI, Hardware Agents, and Why Software Moats Are Dead (42:09)* Why Jason is spending more time on physical-world businesses than pure software right now* The wedge vs. system of record debate: why jaw-dropping UX and fast customer acquisition beat “10X better” enterprise replacements every time* Hardware-activated agent networks: how cheap cameras, sensors, and downstream automation are eating vertical workflows - and why Flock Safety is the modelWhat Jason Looks for in Founders Today (50:07)* The qualities that define the founders Jason is most excited to back: urgency, learning velocity, customer obsession, and the ability to sell product and equity* Why he would always rather back a great founder than incubate a company himself* Where incubation and inbound sourcing sit in his priorities heading into the new fundAbout Jason ShumanJason Shuman is a General Partner at Primary Ventures, New York's largest dedicated seed fund with over $1.6 billion in AUM. A former founder himself, Jason built Category5, a direct-to-consumer footwear brand, before transitioning to venture capital. At Primary, he leads investments in vertical AI, hardware-enabled systems, and incubation, and has been part of building one of the most differentiated seed platforms in the industry. His portfolio includes companies like Latch, Dandy, and several active incubations. He is known for his operator-first investment approach, his conviction in hardware-activated agent networks, and his belief that software-only moats are no longer enough.Connect with Jason Shuman on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jasonshumanVisit Primary Ventures website: https://www.primary.vc/Connect with Matt Cohen on LinkedIn: https://ca.linkedin.com/in/matt-cohen1Visit the Ripple Ventures website: https://www.rippleventures.com/ This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit tanktalks.substack.com

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So many practice leaders and owners feel it, but so few say it — the weight of ownership can sometimes be too much. Kiera talks about how common stress among dentists is, what those stressors can look like, and how to start lessening that weight today. Episode resources: Subscribe to The Dental A-Team podcast Schedule a Practice Assessment Leave us a review Transcript: Kiera Dent- Dental A Team (00:00) Hello, Dental A Team listeners, this is Kiera and I hope you're having a great day. I hope that you are excited about life. I hope that you just remember like, we are so lucky. We get to be in dentistry. We get to hang out on the podcast together. I get to go with you on whatever road you're going on today, whatever life you're doing, whatever you're doing. I am so grateful that you're choosing to take me along with you. And today I just wanted to talk about something that I feel is really near and dear to me. It's near and dear to a lot of our dentists.   We ran a really fun webinar last year and I'm excited to do it again. And it was probably our best webinar we've ever run. I had probably the best turnout we've ever had. But I think it was because we hit the strongest topic and we're actually gonna be discussing this at summit this year, at our webinars this year. So if this hits home, I would invite you to join us ⁓ at any of them because you don't have to do this alone. And what it is is the hidden weight of ownership.   And I think it's like what every practice leader and owner feels, but they rarely say. And I just feel that people, I don't know, we have a mastermind and there's a girl in our mastermind, we're in person. And I remember I was asking for people like, hey, how was the mastermind for you? What were your takeaways? And every single time I asked that question, the mastermind, someone always raises their hand and they always say, it feels so good to be amongst peers and colleagues.   and to realize that I'm not alone. And I'm like, if we all know each other is going through this, but we don't say it, I think we live in our head a lot. And when you're in your head, you're dead. And so I think a lot of times like ownership is heavy. And for myself, it's heavy. And for all of you listening, it's heavy. And I think what we don't see is it's like, we carry payroll. We worry about cashflow. We feel like we're responsible for team culture and morale. We read the book. I mean, I've been on it. I've told you guys, read Extreme Ownership by Jacka Willings.   Everything in your practice is a direct reflection of you and you are responsible for it. So then you're like, great, patient complaints, like this is my fault. Can't tell you how many doctors I've had get bad reviews while I've been in office or we've been working with them or with our consultants and the doctor literally cannot let it go for weeks, months. Like it just eats at them. And I don't blame you. You feel like everyone else clocks out and you still have to carry this home. They all get to go home. They get to have their paycheck. I don't, I get to sit in this amazing space that I built for myself that I absolutely just want to like.   let go. And I think it's one of those things of like, you're a great dentist. It's just the weight of feeling like you're responsible for all of it. And I know I feel this too. And so today I just wanted to invite you of like, Hey, let's talk about some tactical places of how to make ownership feel a little bit lighter that could make it to where you're not alone. You don't have to be alone. And there's actually some tactical pieces for you and welcome to the Dental A Team, the space where you don't need to be alone, running a practice that's successful should be easy. And that's what we're on a mission to do and to positively influence you.   to help you realize that things are better than you think they are, but to give you a tangible path, not just theories and ideas, but a tangible path to go from where you are today to where you want to go. And I'm Kiera Dent and I'm obsessed with dentistry. I'm obsessed with helping people have their dream freaking lives. I realized after a long time, and this might sound so cheesy to you, but the purpose of my life is to truly like be a creator. And what it is, is it's to create and like help people's dreams come true. And I know that sounds so silly, but I look at all of my goals. They're always for other people like.   sending my mom on her dream trip, buying my dad his dream car, getting Jason his dream car, helping my team members get their dream lives, like helping this team member buy a house, helping this dentist get their like dream house in Florida. Like that freaking lights me up. And so the bigger the dream, the bigger the opportunity. And I think for you, if you're listening today, I hope you just feel like I'm giving you a giant hug of understanding, of knowing, of letting you know that you're not doing this alone. And so I just want you to know that this today is not a pep talk. This is like,   A lot of leaders like it's only them that feels this way. But guess what? It's super common. And I want you to know that you were trained to be a dentist, you aren't trained to be an owner. And so today, I wasn't trained to be an owner either. And guess what? We've all had to freaking learn it. And so I'm here to tell you, here to help you out of the way. ⁓ And I think that this is a great quote. Leaders increasingly need to serve a wide array of follower and organizational needs without depleting their own energy or risking burnout. And that came from a qualitative investigation of leader vitality in 2023 of PMC.   And I just think about this and like the ADA also said in their health policy in 2024, they said 82 % of dentists feel major stress in their career. And I just thought like, shoot, this is something we need to talk about. Like you're carrying like this array. Like I think about my shoulders and like almost like football player with shoulder pads and I'm like, my shoulders aren't big enough to carry all this. And yeah, I'm expected to carry payroll, expected to carry this, expected to carry that, that I think it almost like literally by default weighs this down. so,   Let's talk about what makes it feel heavier and how to actually lighten that load. So I think it's one of those spaces of like, we talked about you're responsible for everyone's paycheck. You feel like every team problem, it was a reflection of you. Like turnover when somebody turns over, I don't know about you guys. like used to stew on this for days on end. Like I felt like I was a problem. Like, hi, Taylor Swift. Like, hi, I'm the problem. It's me. My team hates me. ⁓ We feel like success feels like it's impossible. I feel like everybody else has it.   I feel like cashflow, feel like team stress, feel like decision fatigue. Like Jason sometimes at the end of a day, he's like, Kiera, what do want for dinner? And I'm like, one more decision. Like, I don't freaking care. I don't care. I don't care what I eat. Maybe some of you do, but it's just like, I am so sick of this. And when they stack, that's where it can just feel very, very heavy. And so I think what I've learned and what I've seen other people do is like, let's actually like name the weight rather than letting it sit there and separating the emotional stress from operational problems. So   A lot of times what I'll do is I grab my journal and I'm like, what feels heavy right now? Like, what is it? And just list it. And like, I'm allowed to do a huge laundry list. And I look to see like, is this current? mean, shoot, if you guys could see behind this camera, I've got six giant papers and it's like, here's all my stressors. This, this, this, this, like it's there. But when we're in our head, we're dead, remember that? So getting it out of our head, putting it on paper and actually naming it and saying like, okay, I just have a lot of categories. And sometimes I look like,   My name's in a lot of boxes on our org chart, even today, 10 years later. Why? That's a care thing. That's not a team thing. That's me. And so then I also look to say, what are the top one or two stressors today? And is it a current thing or is it a future thing? Like I look at my list here and it's like this, this, this, this. Some of those are problems that I'm like not focusing on that I'm waiting on right now. Like they're the weight on me, but they're four or five months down the line. Some of them are urgent and pressing. And so what is it?   And I think helping you rise like you're not weak, you might just be carrying too many categories of weight at the same time. So then what we do is getting it out of your head. Let's make sure that we, we actually name it. We figure out what it is. Is it current today or is it future? And then what on there? Like, I just have a whole list. Then after that, I want you to make sure that you're not accidentally making your weight heavier than is intentional because when it stays like very personal,   or vague or just in my head, this is where it can actually get heavier. So like trying to be everything to everybody. No one else is owning outcomes, unclear roles, lack of KPI visibility, like avoiding hard conversations that would honestly make your life a lot better. Assuming people will just figure it out, like if they just cared, they would figure it out. Like this isn't how it is. That's not what it is. And so when we have it in there and it's just there and it's vague and it's personal, looking at your list and saying, is this something that I'm taking personally? Is this really about me?   Is it vague and could I define it better? And if not, like, let me clear those up because then what we can do is we can look to see, is this a you? Is this a you problem in leadership? Is this something where we need to rise our team up? Or is this something that like we can honestly delegate and get it off of us? So when we look at that, accountability is going to reduce stress and we've got to have clarity and follow through so that we were not having like a ton of guesswork. So what it looks like is like, then I look at my list and I'm like, okay, is this personal and personal attack on me?   Do I need to fix that personally? Is it begging? Could I clear this up? And then from there, what really needs to happen today? And is it truly a Kiera slash owner issue or is this something I can delegate and give clear ownership and clarity on and move it off of my plate? So it feels very heavy when you don't know like who owns this, how is winning happening and is it reassured? Like I love a KPI scorecard. That's why we put KPI scorecards in place. This is why we have like who owns this metric. We have job descriptions. We have job duties for people.   Like helping you just see like, okay, if I have an issue with payroll, who's the person on my team that's responsible for that? All these things that are keeping you late at night. I've got to order, I've got to pick this out, I've got to do this. Okay, great, is that really a you thing or is this even be part of someone's job description or do you just need to let go of it? If I'm looking at stress on cashflow, okay, great. Like, is it a spending problem? Is it a production problem or is it a collections problem? What really is it and who owns that and can I give accountability to someone? And I think so often we just sit here. Like for me, I sit and swirl.   I'm like, okay, all these things are going on, all these things, and they call it the crazy eight. So then I like flip around and I'm like, my gosh, everything's falling. So getting it on paper, figuring out what really is the crux and then picking the top one or two items that are gonna move it for you, that starts to lighten the load. So it's what one or two things really need to happen today. And we move out of hero mode into leadership mode. We have our numbers tell us the truth. Like I can sit here and freak out all day. And sometimes I'm like, my gosh, we're behind on this, we're behind on this.   But when I look at the PNL and I have the numbers and I look at our cashflow report, is it really that or is it just my like psychoticness honestly, of ruminating on it when it's really not that bad. So what are the numbers tell us? Numbers are always gonna tell the truth. And then we've got to give ownership to our team and we don't take it back on. I feel like anytime I delegate, it never comes back to me. And then we have these check-ins rather than building resentment. I realize a lot of times,   I'm holding resentment because I don't talk to my team. I don't fill them in. I'm not telling them what's going on. Build like one-on-ones every single week if you need to. So you got more regular touch points when they aren't these heavy daunting. And then like, just recognize that sometimes it's freaking hard. Like right now, Dental A Team is going through a growth stretch phase right now. Like, I'm living this right now, which is why I can speak to this very authentically. And what I found is it's just sometimes hard. That doesn't mean it's failure, but I found.   When does my load get lighter? One, when I prioritize what really needs to happen today rather than what needs to happen in four months. Two, delegate out things that really are not my responsibility and I can pass other people, but have a check-in cadence. So can I check in on a KPI scorecard? Can I check it on these other areas so it doesn't get lost? And I'm not talking about everything. It could just be one thing. Like literally we weren't hiring very well. We made a KPI scorecard. I know how many resumes have been done. I know how many interviews have been done. I know how many people are on our bank. It's so great for me.   Now it doesn't sit in my head of like, where's high? Like literally, I wish you guys could see, I hope you can see it. Like, I hope this becomes a real like rubbing my head. All right. Where's your hiring app? What needs to get done for this? I just tell me is someone coming like for the love of everything holy? Where are we out on production? Where are we at on unscheduled treatment? Where are we at? Make it into a KPI. Have people report every single week. Then you can look at the numbers and see really where is the problem.   Is it a diagnosis? Is it a case closing problem? Is it a new patient problem? We then can figure it out. And what this does is it then is a, is it a people problem, a process problem or a priority problem? Like I love this. And so for you guys, like look at it. Is it a people problem, a process problem or a priority problem? And then figure out which one of those are you going to address. And this is great for me. Like this is truly, hey, Kiera, take this on. Is it people, process or priority problem? Half the time I will say it's a priority problem. We want all these nonsense things to be fixed today.   when really they're not truly the burning urgent piece. And if you fix the root problem, the bulk of your issues would go away. Now, who else can help me carry this load? I used to make laundry lists and now I make laundry lists and see how many of these can I delegate out and make sure they're reported back to me rather than me doing it. And then I look at my numbers and I really live by the numbers. And then the last piece is maybe what conversation have I been avoiding that would actually lighten this immediately.   I'm really gonna sit on that for a minute because I think this one actually is the hardest one for me. Maybe for you, it's the people, like it's the people problem, process problem or priority. Like I don't prioritize. Maybe it's that I refuse to delegate problem. Maybe it's I don't look at the numbers problem or maybe it's I avoid conversation. So who are you? Are you on the priority issue? Are you on the delegation issue? Are you on the numbers issue or are you on the avoiding conversation? Every single one of us has a, I say like,   aren't like sins, but I feel like it's like, what's my flavor of choice? Who am I? And I think even identifying who you are for me, it's the conversations I avoid. And I've had to accept like, someone said this the other day to me, they said, nothing's worth your piece, Kiera. And I thought about that. And I thought, all right, conversations need to be had. And they're not confrontation. They're just conversations. So when we look at this, and we can say like, do I not prioritize correctly? Do I not delegate?   Do I not look at my numbers and metrics to make these things less stressful? Or what conversations am I having? This is how you start to lighten your load because you stop caring everything. You start identifying it and you start leading your team. This isn't an overnight sensation, but I think so often the days feel long and the months are fast. We overestimate what we can get done in a day and underestimate what we can get done in a year. I hope you heard that. We overestimate what we can get done in a day and underestimate what we can get done in a year.   So half the time this feels heavy because you're carrying cash pressure, team pressure, decision pressure, priority pressure, emotional pressure, but we let it all sit there. And the goal is not to feel nothing. The goal is to stop carrying everything alone. And the goal is to stop doing this based on emotions, but rather live in facts. Like let's get the emotion out. Let's live in facts. Because I really want you to recognize that having this, again, a recap is...   We sit here and we have it like where it sits there quietly and everything is there and we feel responsible. Then we sit there and we make everything personal and about us and it's unclear and it's vague. And then what we do is we actually move out of that mode into leadership mode and we start to lead. We start to guide, we use our numbers. And I think for you when you're having this, this is real life. Every owner feels this. You're not special sitting over there licking your wounds. I do this all the time. I'm like, no one else. Like I am so, it's my ego. Zip it ego.   Let's get into leadership mode. My ego wants to sit there and be like, oh, woe is me. I have all these issues. Yeah, guess what? I freaking signed up for this when I decided to be a business owner. That doesn't mean it makes it easier. And it doesn't mean you need to go about it alone. And it doesn't mean that you are alone because every owner, every person feels this. It's just a matter of what are we going to do? So action items are number one, you've got to get it out of your head and you got to prioritize. Number two, I got to figure out who I'm going to delegate this to. Number three, I'm going to make sure I've got KPIs and scorecards to fix these metrics of all these problems.   Truly everything can be solved by a number and four, I'm gonna start to have the conversations that I need to have. You just take those four bullet points on and you put that on a sticky note and you live by that, your life will look different in 30 days, guaranteed. But how often do we go into denial? We go into doom scrolling. We go into like, whoa, well, their problems aren't as bad as mine, so I'm doing pretty good. We go into like, tomorrow's a great day. I had a great, huge case. Everything's good again. No.   It's just gonna hit you, it's gonna boomerang back to you. So let's stop the boomerang, let's stop the fatigue, let's stop the crazy eight and let's actually commit to doing one thing, one thing. And if you're so in it, I'm in it. I mean, today I actually had a great call. I called a mentor, I called a coach and I said like, hey, I need help. We set it all up and I was like, where are my blind spots? What can I do and what perspective do you see?   And I think that's the beauty of having a coach, having a mentor, having somebody who's not in it with you. So you don't have to solve it all alone. I actually realized that ownership is pretty easy. The mental stamina to get through it is why we need coaches and support groups around us. That's why we joined masterminds. That's why we have a peer group. That's why we have other people. This is why you've got a coach that's there for you at your beck and call in dental 18. You've got a CEO founder that can literally speak to your exact problems and help you out.   You have a peer group of brilliant people at the mastermind. They're like, it was amazing. Someone told me, said, Kiera, what I realized is amazing. They've been a client with me for gosh, six years. And he said, Kiera, I didn't realize how many incredible practices that you have around you that now we get access to. You guys, I attract and collect great people. And if you're listening to the podcast, I guarantee you, you're probably one of them and I'd love you to be a part of it. Don't do this alone. Why don't you grow your practice 10X this year? Why don't you your profitability at least five to 10 % this year? Do it with people.   that get it, that understand it, that are willing to drive you through it. You do not need to do this. can email today, hello at the Dental A Team. You can go and click on and book a call. But I think it's a matter of when pain hurts, execute. Because tomorrow it might get better, but that doesn't mean it got resolved. It was just a bandage. It was just a happy day. this, like the root is we gotta fix this and we gotta fix it forever. So I want you just to realize that sometimes when you feel this like hidden weight of ownership,   What it usually is signaling is that you need stronger leadership, you need stronger structure, and sometimes you don't know how to get there on your own, but I guarantee you that that's gonna get you out of it. So I want you to just realize this is for you. This is why we talk about it. This is people don't talk about it. And I want you to truly have the help, have the resources. So if we can help in any way, fantastic. Reach out, Hello@TheDentalATeam.com and just do yourself a favor. I think this is the greatest gift you can give yourself as an owner, as a leader.   ⁓ is to not sit here and stress constantly, to not sit here and carry under the heavy weight of ownership that is unnecessary. We can lighten the load today. It can be removed. And I think having a fairy godmother consultant is one of the greatest things that we could ever offer you. reach out, Hello@TheDentalATeam.com. And as always, thanks for listening. I'll catch you next time on the Dental A Team podcast.  

Welcome to the 10X Growth Conference at Marlins Stadium in Miami, the legendary event that ignited ambition, transformed lives, and brought together entrepreneurs, sales professionals, business owners, and dreamers from around the world under one roof for 3 days, on Super Bowl weekend. In this electrifying episode, Grant delivers some of his most powerful and timeless principles on sales, marketing, money, and success. From the unforgettable concept that "money follows attention" to his ultimate definition of sales as a contact sport, "if I hit you, you might buy,"- Grant breaks down the mindset and strategies required to dominate in business and stay relevant in a constantly changing marketplace. Packed with massive energy, real-world insights, and unforgettable moments from one of the biggest business conferences in the world, this episode is guaranteed to become one of your go-to sources for motivation, clarity, and execution. Follow us on all social media platforms @GrantCardone for more content on wealth, business, sales, marketing, and the 10X mindset. Visit GrantCardone.com for upcoming events, exclusive products, and training designed to accelerate your success. TRT: 53:00:02

In this episode, I'm chatting with with America's #1 Mom Coach, Hannah Keeley, to unpack the truth behind mom brain. We explore why motherhood rewires the brain, how overstimulation and anxiety show up, and what moms can do to reclaim clarity, peace, and joy in their daily lives. Whether you're a mom of littles, teens, or somewhere in between, this conversation is full of practical encouragement and real-life strategies for thriving—mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. In this episode, we cover: What “mom brain” really is (and how it changes your brain physically) Common symptoms: forgetfulness, anxiety, overwhelm, distraction The faith-filled path to releasing control and worry Why productivity doesn't always fix your stress “Bow tying” and other practical hacks for completing tasks How to gently reclaim your focus and your peace ⁠View full show notes on the blog⁠ + ⁠watch full episode on YouTube⁠. RESOURCES ⁠Get rid of stress, boost your energy, and 10X your productivity by working WITH your Mom Brain in Hannah's program Mom Brain Makeover⁠ Join my ⁠FREE masterclass⁠ to learn my 4-step framework for making money on YouTube Master the rhythm of sourdough with confidence in my ⁠Simple Sourdough course⁠ Gain the sewing knowledge and skills every homemaker needs in my ⁠Simple Sewing series⁠ Turn your content creation dreams into a profitable business with my ⁠YouTube Success Academy⁠ Keep all my favorite sourdough recipes at your fingertips in my ⁠Daily Sourdough cookbook⁠ CONNECT Hannah Keeley | ⁠Website⁠ | ⁠Mom Mastery⁠ | ⁠Instagram⁠ | ⁠YouTube⁠ | ⁠Facebook⁠ | ⁠TikTok⁠ | ⁠Twitter⁠ Lisa Bass of Farmhouse on Boone | ⁠Blog⁠ | ⁠YouTube⁠ | ⁠Instagram⁠ | ⁠TikTok⁠ | ⁠Facebook⁠ | ⁠Pinterest⁠  Do you have a question you'd like me to answer on the podcast?  A guest you'd like me to interview?  Submit your questions and ideas here: ⁠bit.ly/SFLquestions⁠.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

In this episode, I'm chatting with with America's #1 Mom Coach, Hannah Keeley, to unpack the truth behind mom brain. We explore why motherhood rewires the brain, how overstimulation and anxiety show up, and what moms can do to reclaim clarity, peace, and joy in their daily lives. Whether you're a mom of littles, teens, or somewhere in between, this conversation is full of practical encouragement and real-life strategies for thriving—mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. In this episode, we cover: What “mom brain” really is (and how it changes your brain physically) Common symptoms: forgetfulness, anxiety, overwhelm, distraction The faith-filled path to releasing control and worry Why productivity doesn't always fix your stress “Bow tying” and other practical hacks for completing tasks How to gently reclaim your focus and your peace ⁠View full show notes on the blog⁠ + ⁠watch full episode on YouTube⁠. RESOURCES ⁠Get rid of stress, boost your energy, and 10X your productivity by working WITH your Mom Brain in Hannah's program Mom Brain Makeover⁠ Join my ⁠FREE masterclass⁠ to learn my 4-step framework for making money on YouTube Master the rhythm of sourdough with confidence in my ⁠Simple Sourdough course⁠ Gain the sewing knowledge and skills every homemaker needs in my ⁠Simple Sewing series⁠ Turn your content creation dreams into a profitable business with my ⁠YouTube Success Academy⁠ Keep all my favorite sourdough recipes at your fingertips in my ⁠Daily Sourdough cookbook⁠ CONNECT Hannah Keeley | ⁠Website⁠ | ⁠Mom Mastery⁠ | ⁠Instagram⁠ | ⁠YouTube⁠ | ⁠Facebook⁠ | ⁠TikTok⁠ | ⁠Twitter⁠ Lisa Bass of Farmhouse on Boone | ⁠Blog⁠ | ⁠YouTube⁠ | ⁠Instagram⁠ | ⁠TikTok⁠ | ⁠Facebook⁠ | ⁠Pinterest⁠  Do you have a question you'd like me to answer on the podcast?  A guest you'd like me to interview?  Submit your questions and ideas here: ⁠bit.ly/SFLquestions⁠.

Tired of the fake urgency, manipulative countdown timers, and “buy now or your business will fail” energy?In this re-aired episode of the Small Business PR Podcast, Gloria Chou breaks down the toxic marketing tactics hurting small business owners — and what ethical, authentic marketing can look like instead.From fake scarcity and overpriced masterminds to toxic positivity and unrealistic “10X your business” promises, this episode explores how online business culture normalized pressure, fear, and manipulation as “strategy.”If you're trying to grow your business without feeling sleazy, performative, or disconnected from your values, this episode is for you.✨ In this episode:• Fake scarcity + urgency tactics• Manipulative “buy now” marketing• Toxic positivity in entrepreneurship• Overpriced masterminds with little support• “10X your business” style promises• Ethical marketing for small business owners• Building trust through authentic connection• Human-centered marketing that actually lastsBecause you should not have to lose your soul to sell your offer.In my free PR Secrets Masterclass, I walk you through the exact system small business owners use to land press, get into gift guides, and become known in their industry—without connections or expensive retainers.Register here: www.gloriachoupr.com/masterclassJoin the Small Biz PR Facebook Group to get the best PR TipsDM the word “PITCH” to us on Instagram to get a pitching freebie https://www.instagram.com/gloriachoupr Connect with Gloria Chou on LinkedIn- https://www.linkedin.com/in/gloriaychou #SmallBusinessPR #EcommerceMarketing #AIForBusiness #ShopifyTips #SmallBusinessMarketing #ChatGPTMarketing #WomenInBusiness #ProductBasedBusiness #BrandTrust #ContentMarketing #InfluencerMarketing #AIContent #FemaleFounder #OnlineBusiness #DigitalMarketing

https://youtu.be/tU0kHdf7oXo Drew Allen, CEO of Grace Technologies, is driven by a mission to lead a life of adventure and impact. At Grace Technologies, that impact is tangible: the company develops electrical safety and predictive maintenance solutions that help industrial teams prevent downtime, improve productivity, and, most importantly, send workers home safely at the end of the day. We explore Drew's Product Engineering Framework — Clarify the Problem You're Solving, Understand the Constraints, Think from First Principles, Build a Prototype, and Iterate within a Time Limit — a practical approach to innovation in technical product development. Drew explains why rapid iteration beats overbuilding, how constraints can unlock better engineering decisions, and why time-boxing product development prevents teams from getting stuck in endless perfectionism. He also shares how Grace Technologies is expanding into the data center market, where rising power density is creating new safety challenges and new opportunities for growth. — 5 Steps to Engineering Breakthroughs with Drew Allen  Good day, dear listeners. Steve Preda here with the Management Blueprint Podcast, and today’s guest is Drew Allen, the CEO of Grace Technologies—the leading innovator of electrical safety products and predictive maintenance solutions that help companies maximize productivity and foster a safety culture. Drew, welcome to the show.  Hey, thanks for having me, Steve. I’m excited. I’ve really enjoyed your books, and they’ve had a big impact on our business. So it's great to have this conversation today.  Yeah, glad to have you here. So if you enjoyed the book or read Pinnacle and Summit OS perhaps, then you’re going to be familiar with this question. What is your personal “Why,” and how are you manifesting it Grace Technologies?  So my personal “Why” is to lead a life of adventure and impact. And I think that manifests in our company. We try to be as innovative as possible. Typically, around 30% of our annual sales come from products released within the last two to three years. We try to take risks, not in kind of a willy-nilly way, but we try to be smart about our risk-taking, but still make sure that we’re taking risks and we’re on the forefront of the technology edges. In our business, it’s really easy to see the impact that we have. Not many businesses get to say that we literally send people home at the end of the day. We literally save lives, and we don’t take that responsibility very lightly. And so it’s a little way that we can kind of make a dramatic impact in the world. We get a lot of stories of people who have been going to go to work on an electrical system. They were just moving throughout their day, trying to do their work, and all of a sudden they saw that our unit was indicating and they were about to put their hand on that bus bar or that cable, and they stop and realize, “Oh, there's still power there.” And they could have been either severely injured or dead. And so we get those stories quite frequently, and so it's really impactful to hear that, to know that we're doing that kind of good in the world.Share on X  Yeah, I love that. And yes, I mean, it’s dangerous. My son actually worked for an electrical contractor last year, and they told him the story that they were in big industrial facilities and one of their workers was trying to fix a light and he got shocked. And the only way to save him was to kick the ladder out from under him. He ended up breaking his leg. So it was kind of funny story afterward, but also a very dramatic one at the same time. So yeah, you definitely want to avoid situations like that.  100%.  And I think what you do is really great, and focusing on the safety aspect is very important as well. What I'm wondering—because I'm a framework guy and I'm always looking for new frameworks people have developed—and obviously within the Pinnacle system there are a lot of frameworks. But you’ve been doing this for a few years, and I’m sure that you have come up with your own. So what is your favorite framework—something simple enough for listeners to understand in maybe three to five steps—that could help them improve their business?  My favorite framework really comes from Jim Collins' work on the Flywheel. And I think you reference it in your book as well, Steve. I think if people can see their business—or even their life—through the lens of a flywheel, it becomes really useful. So in our business, our flywheel is relatively simple. And I think there are probably only a limited number of flywheel models companies really operate under. Our version of a product flywheel works like this:  We start with amazing new products and services. If we do that well, we naturally excite our channel partners. When our channel gets excited, they can't help but get us specified by customers. Once we're specified by customers, it grows our revenues, unit sales, and customer base.Share on X And as that happens, it expands the power of the brand, which allows us to set high prices and deliver higher gross margins to be able to reinvest into R&D for amazing new products and services. And I think while maybe there’s a couple of pieces in ours channel-specific or whatever, we found that most of my focus as CEO is just constantly figuring out how do I push those pieces of the flywheel, and where is the current bottleneck in the flywheel? Is the bottleneck getting the specifications? Is the bottleneck the wrong product? One of the challenges in our business is that we have a 12-month product development cycle plus an 8-to-12-month sales cycle for products. So if I miss, I'm basically down for two years. And I don't really know it early enough unless I'm paying close attention to the leading indicators—which we've become much smarter about over the last few years. A lot of business people tend to focus only on lagging indicators, and they're not always clear on what the leading indicators are in their business—or how correlated those leading indicators are to the lagging results.  I'll say this: the most recent releases of Claude have made it incredibly easy to input a bunch of variables and figure out how strongly your leading indicators correlate with your lagging success. I probably haven't done that kind of work since college and deep regression analysis or logarithmic modeling. And now Claude makes it so easy. So if you can identify the leading indicators tied to your future success, and you know there's an 80% or 85% correlation, then that leading indicator is almost as valuable as the lagging indicator itself. And if your lagging indicator is revenue, that gives you a pretty strong signal about what you should actually be focusing on.Share on X Yeah. That's a great way to reverse-engineer those leading indicators from the outcomes you're targeting. I love that. So when you say that one of the flywheel cogs is for people to specify your product, what do you mean by that exactly? We come out with a product, and then we get meetings with large end-user customers. Okay? Our products are really sold into two major markets. One is the industrial market—everything from where things come out of the ground, like oil and gas, pulp and paper, and mining—to all the downstream processing industries, including automotive, tire and rubber, consumer packaged goods, food and beverage, all those kinds of industries like shipbuilding, naval yards, and all those kinds of environments. All of these places have complex electrical and control systems. And when a factory or facility is being designed or upgraded, someone is writing a specification document.  That specification literally defines how everything should be built—including the machinery and the electrical systems. So we want to make sure our products, from an electrical safety perspective, are included in those specification documents. We've been really fortunate to get into some of the world's largest companies' control specificationsShare on X companies like Amazon, Procter & Gamble, GM, and Ford. These large organizations really see the value in our products from both a productivity and a safety standpoint. And that's really the key to our success: driving specifications with large end-user customers. Yeah. So it sounds like when you get specified, then essentially you’re baked in to their product, and then you kind of have, at least for the time being, you have a monopoly of supplying them. Is that the case?  Yeah. And some specifications are a little more open. They may specify our type of device, or they may even list competitors as alternatives. And then it becomes a little more of a street brawl when we're competing. But either way, we want to grow the overall market for products like ours—not just our own products—because we're in the safety business. And I think it's really shortsighted to be selfish about that. I think we have much more opportunity if the overall pie grows than if we focus only on increasing our individual slice of the pie. Of course, I'm going to do the best I can to grow our share. But ultimately, electrical safety and electrical reliability in factories are still major problems. And the number of deaths, injuries, and life-changing accidents we hear about—it continues. We hear those stories all the time, and we don't want those things to happen. Yeah. Love it. So your business is innovation-driven, and you are designing these electrical appliances that increase productivity, reduce risk. What is the major success factor in being able to come up with new products along these lines?  Yeah, so I guess I'll tell you my biggest failure. Okay? I'll use the failure to illustrate the point. That's good. I think I was about 25 or 26 years old, and I was working with a customer—a very large publicly traded company. They liked our product, but they needed it in a different form factor, which meant we had to re-engineer the product, retool it, and go through all the certification processes again. And I just took it hook, line, and sinker. I thought we were really onto something. I probably had delusions of grandeur and thought I was some Steve Jobs-like figure who could just wave a magic wand. And by the way, I don't think that's actually what Steve Jobs did, so I want to put that out there for a minute. I think what we see from the outside as consumers is often not the reality inside the company. So I just want to say that.  But anyway, instead of taking small iterative steps and quickly prototyping and getting feedback, I did a full design based only on feedback from that one customer before cutting tooling and paying all the certification costs. It ended up being about a $400,000 project. And I think we still have inventory from that project—and this was probably 12 years ago or something.  Oh my gosh.  So what have I learned now? The best innovation happens through rapid iteration. A lot of your listeners have probably seen the Elon Musk SpaceX Raptor engine images, right? You have this incredibly complex engine that goes up into space, and then the next version looks much simpler, and the third one looks like it came out of a sci-fi movie. It's almost like the Picasso bull sketches.  There are nine different bulls until Picasso eventually gets it down to two lines, and you still understand it's a bull. Okay? And I think that's what iteration looks like. What you see as a final product from Apple is actually the result of thousands of prototypes, iterations, and constant testing behind the curtain. For me, I want to test with customers directly, because you get much better feedback that way. I think the more rapidly you can prototype, the more rapidly you can iterate and get real customer feedback, the more innovative your product is going to be. I really think that when you try to make too big of a leap all once, you usually can't get there. And I think 10% compounded over time is a much better strategy than trying to go 10X in a single shot. Yeah. It's kind of the Kaizen principle of continuous improvement through small steps. But actually, I was listening to an interview with Jensen Huang, and he said he hated Kaizen because he wanted more first-principles thinking—completely rethinking things from the ground up. And I think Elon Musk does that too. Although honestly, I think he does both, which is really interesting. But I love Kaizen. I think it's a wonderful concept to continually improve things. We do work with SpaceX. We don't do much with NVIDIA—a little bit, but not much. And while you can think from first principles, you still have to iterate on the prototypes, right? Yeah. You have to constantly try things. So you may have a first-principles vision of where you want to go, but you're not going to get there by designing the perfect thing 100% upfront. You get there through iteration. Yeah. So you really need both. That’s a really good point. So Drew, what is it that you are trying to figure out in your business right now?  So over the last 12 to 18 months, our largest orders have started coming through the data center sector. Back in 2015 or 2016, I tried to push into data centers, and we just had no product-market fit. None. Everybody kept talking about the data center business, and I was like, “Well, they're just not using our products. We tried…” But what suddenly changed was the increase in power density inside data centers. And what I mean by that is this: You can now have a hundred megawatts in a traditional data center hall. That's basically the equivalent of multiple oil and gas refineries worth of electrical load inside a single data center hall. A hundred megawatts—yeah.  And so the electrical risk profile has really changed. And because of that, now there is product-market fit. So now I'm trying to figure out: How do I set up the right distribution channels? How do I build the right sales network? Because data centers definitely buy differently than our traditional industrial customers. And then, as CEO, you always have to decide where you're going to focus your time. I've been very intentional about not losing the core identity of Grace through our industrial business. So I've had to build a separate group that really focuses on the data center market. That also means bringing in a board member who really understands the data center space. Right now, though, it's a huge growth area for us, so figuring that out has been super important.  The other thing is that over the last few years, we've launched an incredible number of new products. But a lot of those were what I'd call necessary innovations—things we had to execute on quickly. So now we're finally getting to a point with the engineering team where we can start from a clean sheet of paper again. We can think more deeply about where we really want to go—maybe even from first principles. Because honestly, I feel like we've been operating in a reactive mode for the last few years. So it's going to be really exciting to finally have some white space again and be able to innovate more intentionally for the future. Yeah. So you want to have that sci-fi engine for Grace Technologies that SpaceX has for the rockets, right?  Yeah. That's the goal. And our mission is to accelerate the industrial world to zero downtime and zero harm. Until we get there, it's a pretty lofty goal. And I think it's going to require a lot of innovation to achieve it. So what's the process when you're trying to get to that kind of innovation—when you're rethinking something from first principles? Is there a process you can follow or work through? Or is it more about letting your imagination wander? Like when Albert Einstein came up with the theory of relativity—he was daydreaming in the patent office and suddenly had these insights. What's your process for getting there? So first, we want to be really clear on the problem statement. Getting absolute clarity on what problem we're solving is the first step, right? If you don't know what problem you're solving, there's no amount of engineering you can throw at it that's going to make sense. Second is understanding the constraints. For one of our new product development efforts, we decided to move away from a digital platform and go to a fully analog electrical platform because we realized one of the main constraints was size. And size is really determined by the power supply.  When you run a digital circuit, you're operating at something like 100 to 300 milliamps. If you go to an analog circuit, you're operating at the microamp level. So you're literally at around 10% of the power requirement. And if you're at 10%, you can make the power supply about 90% smaller. Now, it's much easier to do things digitally because you just program the microcontroller. You're not dealing with the art of analog circuitry. So I think that's a good example of thinking from first principles. Okay—we're solving this problem. One of the major problems inside that problem is the size of the unit. How do we reduce the size? Well, we have to reduce the power supply. How do we reduce the power supply? Reduce the power draw from the circuit. How do we reduce the power draw? Go analog. And that's how we got there.  But even then, the amount of prototyping and iteration we've done on that over the last 12 months has probably involved 75 major iterations of the circuit, tons of prototypes, tons of testing, and countless tweaks that probably never even hit my radar. I know I'm getting a little nerdy for the podcast, but I think it's a really good example. And if you take it out of engineering for a minute and look at our sales engine, it works similarly. Ultimately, what drives sales? You have to have unique selling conversations with customers. So everything I focus on becomes: How do I maximize those conversations?  Getting people interested in the product and actually getting to the point where we can sit down and fully tell our story—that's kind of my North Star.Share on X I know that if we increase the number of those conversations, sales will increase. And of course, there's optimization on both sides of the meeting—follow-through, follow-up, competitiveness, lead quality, all of that. But the big North Star in our sales function is: How many unique selling conversations are we having with customers? Okay. I love it. So this is a framework that I’m more excited about than the flywheel because we are almost 400 episodes in. Here is what I heard. So be clear on the problem, step number one. Understand the constraints, step number two. Think from first principles, that’s step number three. Build the prototype, step number four, and perform iterations. Step number five, essentially the optimization. And with the sales engine, it’s kind of a similar process that you described, but less technical perhaps.  Yeah. And one other piece too is that all of this has to be time-constrained.  What do you mean by that?  I think people miss that point. If you don't have a time constraint, it will literally take forever. So inside of your framework, you need a time box, and I think that's really critical. I like what Elon says about timelines. He assigns timelines that he believes have about a 50% probability of being achieved. I think that's actually a really smart way to think about it. And that means that about 50% of the time, you're going to miss the target. But that's okay, because you want that level of tension and flexibility in the system. You still have to be aiming at something. If you don't put a time box around iteration, if you don't set launch dates, product development can drag on forever. For example, we have a major trade show every fall, and we always try to have products ready for that event. That creates a really effective natural time box for us. And if your business doesn't already have natural time boxes, then as CEO, you need to create them. Yeah.  Otherwise, iteration, product development, and even sales initiatives can lose momentum. Sales naturally has monthly, quarterly, and annual cycles. But in engineering especially, having that time box is really important. Yeah. And what I read about Jensen Huang is that one of the innovations he introduced was creating two overlapping time boxes. So instead of having just a single one-year cycle, he created two teams working on separate one-year cycles that were staggered by six months. That way, they could effectively iterate on the product twice as fast. I thought that was amazing. And I also had a client—an engineering software company—whose challenge was that they couldn't launch a product for three years because they were such perfectionists. So we talked about putting a stake in the ground and committing to a release every year. Maybe the scope would have to change, maybe they'd have to narrow it or simplify it, but the release date itself would become a forcing function. And once they did that, their product suddenly started gaining much more traction. That's a fantastic point. Yeah. I was advising one of the companies we're invested in. I was actually on a call with them yesterday, and they're starting to run out of time a little bit, right? And that was literally the conversation we had. “Okay, we had this wish list. We had this dream product-development idea. Now what can we realistically get done in three months?” So we started stripping out everything that couldn't be completed in that timeframe, and those items will move into the next iteration cycle. But I think it's super critical. You've got to put a stake in the ground and force things through. Yeah. Constraints create creativity. Yeah. that's fantastic. So, penultimate question—I have one more just to wrap things up. If you had a magic wand, what would be the one thing you'd want to fix inside your company over the next 12 months? I think we have a lot of relatively new and young salespeople. We operate in a very technical field, and trying to get them to really understand the application space from a technical perspective is difficult. And when you're selling to engineers, they can immediately tell if you don't know what you're talking about. So the challenge becomes: How do you compress 20 years of experience into a brand-new sales or business development person in just a few months? Trying to accelerate that learning curve is probably one of our biggest challenges. We're trying to use AI to help visualize the kinds of equipment our products go on.  And frankly, even after doing this for years, I still run into things I don't fully understand. But I have enough experience that I can have a relatively technical conversation, understand the constraints, and work through the problem set. But compressing that knowledge into a faster training process—that's definitely been hard. I'm also opening a sales and engineering office down in Austin, so I'll be moving there in June. The plan is to build out another R&D facility there. That's one of my major time boxes over the next 12 months—getting that operation fully up and running. But from a more holistic perspective, I think really solving that sales knowledge-transfer problem is critical. And on one of our product lines, honestly, I'd love ideas from listeners.  We have an IoT condition-monitoring product, and we've been very successful at selling pilot programs. What we've found, though, is that it's been much harder than expected to convert those pilots into broader expansion deployments. So we're asking ourselves: Are we making the barrier to entry for the pilots too low? Are we attracting the wrong type of customer—people who don't actually have the authority to make a larger purchase decision? Or are we missing something in the sales process that would better position the expansion after the pilot succeeds? Those are a few of the areas we're really trying to figure out right now. Yeah. Love it. That’s fascinating. So if the listeners would like to learn more about Grace Technologies—or maybe you spark something in their mind and they want to reach out and communicate to you, or have access to someone in your company to answer the questions about the products. Maybe they want to have more safety and more productivity with their electrical safety equipment. Where should they go, and where can they find you? Yeah. You can reach me at drewa@gracetechnologies.com or find me on LinkedIn. I think it’s Allen-Drew is my handle, but Drew Allen on LinkedIn. I love hearing from people. I really enjoy advising startups, especially in the industrial electrical space. If you have a product idea or you’ve got a startup, I do a lot of advisory work, and we’ve invested in a number of startups as well. We’re really passionate about having more innovation in the industrial world. I believe that the reindustrialization of America is super important, and I’m a big proponent, and so love to support companies that are doing cool things in our space.  Oh, that’s fantastic. So if you’re listening to this and you have a startup in the engineering space, then definitely this is your opportunity to get mentored by Drew, and maybe to get opportunities that you don’t have yourself. So reach out to him. And if you just enjoyed this conversation with an entrepreneur who’s innovating fast and who is working from first principles and time boxes and and leveraging constraints, then definitely stay tuned on this channel because I have more wonderful guests coming on every week. So thank you Drew for coming, CEO of Grace Technologies, the leading innovator of electrical safety products and predictive maintenance solutions. So thanks for sharing your wisdom and thanks for listening. Important Links: Drew's LinkedIn Drew's website Drew's email: drewa@gracetechnologies.com

The future of war has been evolving before our eyes in Ukraine, yet the west still plans to fight the last war. In this special episode, guest host Noah Smith (@noahpinion) and Brandon Anderson sit down with Yaroslav Azhnyuk (@YaroslavAzhnyuk), a serial tech founder who went from building PetCube to founding The Fourth Law, one of the world's most advanced AI-guided drone companies. Over two hours we cover the technology, tactics, and geopolitics of drone warfare, and why the modern battlefield has already left the West behind:* Yaroslav's personal history and the Ukraine war [00:01:04 – 00:14:01]* The modern drone tech stack: why FPV drones are the new god of war, the future of the rifleman, fiber optic vs. AI, five levels of autonomy, and the eight dimensions of the autonomous battlefield [00:14:01 – 01:05:13]* The geopolitics and economics of drones: China's manufacturing advantage, the drone race, Western defense readiness, countermeasures, and why the gap is widening [01:05:13 – 01:58:57]For those looking for Noah Smith's commentary, it really gets going around the 00:51:31 mark.Yaroslav Azhnyuk / The Fourth Law:* X: https://x.com/YaroslavAzhnyuk* LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yaroslavazhnyuk/* The Fourth Law: https://thefourthlaw.aiNoah Smith:* Substack: Noah Smith * X: https://x.com/noahpinionTimestamps00:00:00 Cold Open: China's 4 Billion Drones and the Cameras-to-Explosives Pipeline00:01:04 Introduction: Brandon, Noah Smith, and Yaroslav Azhnyuk00:05:41 From Tech Entrepreneur to Defense: PetCube, Brave One, and the D3 Fund00:10:42 The Ethics of Building Weapons: Dual-Use Technology and the Wolf at the Door00:14:01 The Tech Stack: Cameras, Autonomy Modules, Interceptors, and a Semiconductor Fab00:18:47 Fiber Optic vs. AI: The Radio Horizon Problem and $32/km Cable00:25:32 FPV Drones: The New God of War — 70–80% of Frontline Casualties00:28:28 The Five Levels of Drone Autonomy: From Terminal Guidance to Full Autonomy00:41:37 The Eight Dimensions of the Autonomous Battlefield00:45:32 AI Safety and the Morality of Autonomous Weapons00:51:31 The End of the Rifleman? Noah's 2013 Prediction vs. Battlefield Reality01:05:13 China's Manufacturing Advantage and Western Vulnerabilities01:24:21 Policy Advice for Western Defense: Defense Valley and the Widening Gap01:32:54 The Drone Race: Who's Ahead, Category by Category01:41:57 Countermeasures: Shotguns, Jammers, Lasers, and Fishnets01:58:19 The Wedding and Final Takeaway: Be Prepared for WarTranscriptCold Open: China, FPV Drones, and the New Warning SignYaroslav [00:00:00]: Think about this. Last year, Ukraine produced 4 million FPV drones. Ukraine is not the most industrious nation in the world. China can produce 4 billion of these FPV drones.Noah [00:00:10]: Would you say that right now China is now the supreme conventional military power on Earth, given its ability to manufacture and deploy drones in the quantity and quality that you just described?Yaroslav [00:00:20]: I don't think we have all the information to claim that but we cannot count it out, and that alone should be a big warning sign. As I say, at some point in my life I went from making cameras that fling treats to pets to cameras that fling explosives to the occupiers. So that's the short story. And when you think about what your nation, what your patriots are going through, you realize that's the only morally right thing to do is to fight back, and it is immoral not to fight back, and then the choice becomes very clear.Introduction: Yaroslav Azhnyuk, Petcube, and the Last Flight into KyivBrandon [00:01:04]: Welcome to Latent Space. I'm Brandon. I normally do science podcasts, but today we're going to do something a little bit different. I'm joined by Noah Smith of Noahpinion on Substack and Twitter. And he has lots of interesting things to say about drones. And as a guest, we have Yaroslav Azhnyuk, founder of The Fourth Law and several other, drone-related startups. To get started, it is February 23rd, 2022. You are running a pet startup. You're connecting pets with their owners. Let's go in just a little bit of background. How did you get started in tech, and what were you working on before the Ukrainian war started?Yaroslav [00:01:50]: Good to be here. Thank you. On February 23rd, late in the evening, 11:00 PM Kyiv time, my wife and I landed in Kyiv. Actually, then she was a fiance. We came from Lviv, where we were looking at a church, where our wedding should have taken place. And we got into this cab ride from the airport to our home, and the driver was like, “You crazy. Like, everyone's leaving Kyiv. Why do you come?” We're like, “What? Nothing's going to happen. Dude, chill.” And then obviously, eight minutes later, or eight hours later, the bombs fell in the city. It was quite surreal. We probably landed on the last flight that landed in Kyiv, or one of those last flights. My background, I'm a tech guy. Studied applied mathematics in Kyiv Polytechnics, born and raised in Kyiv. My parents are old PhDs from academia, and grandparents too. Like, everything, from linguistics to nuclear physics. And I'm an entrepreneur, so I've built a bunch of companies. Petcube is the one you were referencing. So I lived in San Francisco 2014 to 2020, building Petcube, which is one of the leading, pet device companies in the world, selling lots of pet cameras. And then, yeah, as I say, at some point in my life I went from making cameras that fling treats to pets to cameras that fling explosives to the occupiers. So that's the short story.February 24th: Leaving Kyiv as the Invasion BeginsNoah [00:03:28]: February 24th, I guess a few hours after you, go to check out your wedding chapel, what do you do?Yaroslav [00:03:37]: We had a plan for this situation. So my parents and family live in Kyiv, and we're like, “Okay, this has actually started. The worst has, come true.” And so we basically packed our belongings and got in the car and spent 17 hours driving west. And that was pretty sure most people in our audience watched at least one apocalyptic movie in their life, so that was exactly like that. Like, felt exactly like that. Missiles are falling. Like, there was smoke in Kyiv. Like, my dad and I went, like, to central part of the cities. It's probably, likeYaroslav [00:04:20]: 800 meters from presidential office, to pick some stuff up at his workplace. Because he's, like, the head of an academic institution, so he had to get some of the things with him. And super surreal. Like, the streets are empty. Like, the gas stations are out of gas. Like, we found some gas station. We didn't have, like, spare canisters with us, so we're like, We figured out, like, the car was diesel, so like, we figured out, if it's diesel, you can actually store it in plastic, canisters, and we bought some window wash for the cars. We poured it out of the canisters, and we poured the diesel into that. Yeah, so it was like that. And then, like, helping friends get out, like my friend and his dog. Like, we found Like, my brother was also, like, riding in a separate car. We found a place for my friend who didn't have a car. It was like, yeah, it was like, totally surreal. And we didn't know of course, and you didn't know this will last for so long. You didn't know whether Ukraine will be able to defend Kyiv. And it was like, yeah, very little information and very little insight into future.From Pet Cameras to Defense Tech: Building for Ukraine and the Free WorldNoah [00:05:42]: What are your thoughts with regards to how do you, defend, Ukraine? So you eventually start building drones Like, what is the process to get from there from where you were building, devices that connect owners with pets to building drones, and what other things did you do to help the war effort in the process?Yaroslav [00:06:07]: It's definitely non-trivial, right? Like, I didn't go, to I didn't get any, like, military education when I was a student. Like, normally, in Ukraine, you would, you would go to like, this military school even if you're getting higher education in any other, sphere. I decided to skip that which is like, an unusual way to go. And I never thought that I will be somehow engaged in a war effort. Like, what is war? Of course, wars are over. It's the end of history. So one thing you got to understand about, like, many Ukrainians and like, I guess, it's also true about most of the people I met here in the US, that your who you are in terms of your nationality is a big part of your identity. So when that gets under attack, it's something deeper than just the country you live in gets under attack, right? And I Day one, I figured I'm going to I'm going to fight back with everything I can, right? But I didn't think on day one that I'm actually going to do, weapons. And a bunch of things. We were reaching out to a number of American, congresspeople and senators, and basically advocating for support of Ukraine, for voting for lend lease, which has happened in May 2022, but didn't actually work as expected. We helped start, Brave One, which is now a very important defense innovation cluster, sort of like a DIU here in the US. We helped start, a fund called D3. It's like, it was started or co-started by Eric Schmidt, former CEO of Google. So a bunch of these odd things, but then eventually I was like, “Okay,”by 2023 it was obvious this thing, A is going to last a lot more time, and B, that the whole world is shifting and that there's going to be a new arms race, that the warfare is redefined by drones as platforms. And for the first time in history, you have a platform that is software defined, that can increase your battlefield capabilities, in a in a step change just overnight. So it's like if you were able to push a software update and get all of your Roman legionnaires a new helmet? That has never been possible before. It's the first time in the history of war this is possible. So all of that and many other things like, supply chain fragilization, and the impact that AI is going to have on all of this all these things have become evident to me in 2023, and it's like, “Okay, I should do what I do best, or what I know how to do best, start a tech company, and sort of leverage the global techno capitalist machine, to provide, defensibility to Ukraine and the free world.” So that's literally the mission of the company, increase defensibility of Ukraine and the free world. And then there was some sort of soul-searching and like, asking yourself. It's like, “Okay, am I Actually, I know nothing about weapons. Am I actually, like, ready to make, things that other people use to kill other bad people?”Yaroslav [00:09:36]: When you think about what your nation, what your Compatriots are going through And think about all the terror of places like Bucha, the occupied cities in the east and south, the abducted children, the raped women, all the economic damage that's being done, and the intention to destroy a whole nation, to genocide the people of Ukraine, you realize that's the only morally right thing to do is to fight back, and it is immoral not to fight back. And then the choice becomes very clear. And look, we're just passing the ammunition. We're not doing the actual job. The actual fighters and defenders and heroes are people in the armed forces. We're just support.The Moral Question: Weapons, Responsibility, and Fighting BackNoah [00:10:33]: I have so many questions. Actually, I know you seem to have a question. Do you want to ask anything?Yaroslav [00:10:38]: No, I'm just listening. Go ahead.Noah [00:10:40]: I do want to talk about, some of let's say, the moral issues, like you just said. You endYaroslav [00:10:50]: I think there are no issues there.Yaroslav [00:10:52]: What would an example of a moral question be in this case?Noah [00:10:55]: No, I mean Okay. As you just said, you are creating the tools, but others are using them.Noah [00:11:05]: I was maybe thinking of having this conversation later, but one of the questions is like, is it actually you are going to be building them for your homeland, which you are building it for your homeland, which is I think, very a strong morally defensible position, but this technology is not going to stay with you, right?Noah [00:11:26]: This you will probably be selling these to other people Yeah. So the future is really where the moral issues may come into playYaroslav [00:11:38]: The this question becomes, easier and more complete if we ask this not about a particular technology or particular weapon, if we think that this question actually applies to any kind of technology Right? So -Knife or fire. You can use knife to do surgery and save people's lives, or you can use it as a weapon to take people's lives.Noah [00:12:06]: Cut tomatoes, too.Yaroslav [00:12:08]: Cut tomatoes too.Noah [00:12:09]: Yes, knife.Yaroslav [00:12:09]: That's helpful.Noah [00:12:10]: In Japan, sword and knife, they, call the same word.Yaroslav [00:12:14]: It's like, it's with any technology. Large language models, right? Look at how powerful they are and yet they're available to anyone in North Korea or in Russia.Yaroslav [00:12:29]: That's one side of the argument. The other side is As a maker, what is your responsibility for how the tools you're creating, will be used? There's definitely some responsibility, right? Then How should the decision process look like? Should you, like, try to calculate all the possible scenarios before starting to work on something? Or do you create something that is needed now to save people's lives, and then think about, addressing the unwanted edge cases later? In ideal world where there's like, or okay, it's not ideal world. In a mythical world where there is some one governing party and it gets to decide everything, and there is no other country, that can, decide on their own, you could say, “Well, we need to calculate for all the consequences, and only then, maybe build this building, by replacing this park because, maybe we need this park in the city,”right? So that kind of situation. But when you're in a situation where you're in a forest, in front of a wolf, you first going to deal with the wolf that wants to eat you, and then you're going to go consult Greenpeace. So that's kind of situation that Ukraine is in.The Fourth Law, Odd Systems, and Ukraine's Drone StackNoah [00:13:59]: Enough. Because this is a tech podcast, I did want to spend some time talking about, sort of the tech in that you've developed and what you've been working on. So can you explain, I guess, first of all, like, the problem that you were trying to solve from a technical standpoint? And I think, and then maybe, like, go into some of the solutions and some of the design process that led you from designing, little laser-guided, guiding lasers with a with an iPhone versus Having drones.Yaroslav [00:14:34]: Like, it so happened, that my partners and I, we sort of So I started one company called The Fourth Law, and its goal was and is to Make, massively scalable on-drone autonomy. And then In parallel with that together with my, Petcube co-founders, partners, and friends, we started another company called Odd Systems Which, was focused on making thermal cameras. Cameras, thermal cameras are seeing thermal radiation and are used to see at night. And we're now sort of those companies are getting closer and closer together and we're probably going to merge them. And this group of companies is currently the leading, team in on-drone AI and thermal imaging on the Ukrainian battlefield, and Likely one of the leading, if not the leading in the world. So We have these, like, three sort of business units, which are cameras, drone autonomy, and drones. So the cameras and drone autonomy sell daytime and nighttime cameras and different types of drone autonomous modules to other drone manufacturers, over 200 drone manufacturers in Ukraine. And then the UAV, business unit sells the drones themselves to the armed forces of Ukraine, Ukrainian government. And there are different types of drones. Those are sort of front strike, as we call them, so those are sort of FPV strike drones and the bombers, and then interceptors. And there are different kinds of interceptors. We do Shahed interceptors and we do ISR interceptors. We don't do the deep strike-FPV Drones, Interceptors, and Battery-Powered WarfareNoah [00:16:32]: What's an ISR interceptor?Yaroslav [00:16:33]: ISR is stands for intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance, and those are basically drones which are which, Russians are using to watch over positions and then communicate where, the targets are coming.Noah [00:16:48]: It's a reconnaissance.Yaroslav [00:16:48]: That's, the ISR is sort of a classical term for a for a reconnaissance drone.Noah [00:16:53]: Are all of these battery-powered drones that you just described? ‘Cause I know that the sort of deep strike drones still have, like Some sort ofYaroslav [00:17:01]: Internal combustion engine?Noah [00:17:02]: Internal combustion engine. Are all the things you're talking about battery-powered?Yaroslav [00:17:06]: What we're working on is all battery-powered, right? We don't do the deep strikes, right? And then in terms of autonomy-Noah [00:17:12]: You can catch a Shahed with a battery-powered thing. It's not Fast to catch.Yaroslav [00:17:17]: No, absolutely. Look, Shahed interceptor, like ours, it's called Zero, it goes up to 326 kilometers per hour.Noah [00:17:26]: For reference, how fast is a Shahed?Yaroslav [00:17:28]: Eight, like, in internal phase it could be 280, but in cruise phase it's, like, 220-ish.Yaroslav [00:17:36]: Yeah. And sorry, I'm not like you can convert that into miles if you're interested.Noah [00:17:41]: No, that's fine.Noah [00:17:41]: Multiply by two thirds or point six or something.Yaroslav [00:17:44]: That's easy. Yeah, I was saying that for autonomy modules, right, we, -We make systems, autonomous systems for frontline, for interceptors and some for deep strikes as well, and then different levels of autonomy. So from terminal guidance, which is like lasts 500 meters, give or take, to autonomous bombing, to autonomous target detection, to autonomous navigation and all of that across day and night, different terrains, different time of the year, different platforms like quadcopters and fixed wing, and maybe some other platforms. So it's quite a wide variety of products. We also have like our own simulation. We have our own training school for the war fighters. And we're about to start construction of two, semiconductor plants to make, sensors for thermal cameras. So that's super exciting for me as a computer science guy is Doing semiconductors. Super cool.Noah [00:18:49]: Like in terms of kind of core drone technologies, you basically are one is an FPV replacement without fiber optics, and the other isYaroslav [00:18:59]: YouNoah [00:18:59]: Signal tracking with interceptorsYaroslav [00:19:00]: With or without fiber optics. Fiber optics Is just like, sort of a communication module.Yaroslav [00:19:05]: You can, you can use classical analog, video link and radio link. Those would be two separate radios. You can do digital, or you can do fiber optic, and then fiber optic Has its own advantages but also adds weight and decreases, the distance and decreases, how fast you can, sort of turn and With a drone. Yeah.Noah [00:19:33]: Do you need AI for fiber optic drones?Yaroslav [00:19:36]: Like you can use AI for fiber optic drones. AI replaces a human, right? Fiber optic is making your communication link more resilient. So those are slightly different goals. Like if you want, you can have, AI controlling hundreds of fiber optic drones instead of having 100 operators for each.Fiber Optics, Radio Horizons, and Terminal GuidanceNoah [00:20:03]: I guess I thought that the key reason that people moved to fiber optic drones was for like electronic, countermeasures. Or I guess to counter those.Yaroslav [00:20:13]: I think that's a correct assessment from sort of a public awareness standpoint. In practice it's somewhat more difficult Because besides electronic countermeasures, you have these issues of a radio horizon For FPV drones, which means that asYaroslav [00:20:36]: I believe Earth is round Some people disagree. But basically if you fly a drone and you have a land station over here and a drone flying over hereYaroslav [00:20:49]: If your drone is flying high, you have good direct radio visibility. If your drone goes low, and usually, Russian infantry and vehicles, they're on the ground and you want to hit them, you need to go low. Lower you go, maybe you'll get behind a hill or behind a forest, and if you're far enough, you'll just get behind the curvature of the earth. You get into what's called a radio shadow. And then That is a real bummer because for the last, be it 60 or 20 meters, you won't be able to see anything and it will be very difficult to hit the target. So to counter that what-- And then the distances that these FPV drones, act on they're, they can be quite large. So for example, here in the US there was this drone dominance program competition, and in drone dominance the furthest distance was about 10 kilometers.Noah [00:21:44]: What was drone dominance? What was that competition?Yaroslav [00:21:47]: Drone, the drone dominance is a is a program started, by the US government, to accelerate the development of drone technology here in the US.Noah [00:21:57]: Got it. And the longest range thing they were using was 10 kilometers.Yaroslav [00:22:00]: Was 10 kilometers, right. In Ukraine, like if your drone doesn't fly at least 20, 25, it just, no one's interested in it, and the usual hits are happening. It was like, okay, many hits are happening between 30 and 40 kilometers, and that's what expected from a regular 10-inch, FPV drone. So at that distance, even at altitudes of like 60 to 100 meters, you might start losing, the link. So some of the earlier AI technology that was fielded in FPV drone was this terminal guidance technology. That was the first product that we ever, launched that helped you as an operator, once you see the target from two, three, 500 meters, you lock onto the target and then, it just, drives the drone towards the target no matter what, even after you lost the visual connection. So optic fiber solves that. However, if you want to go like 20 kilometers with optic fiber, that will add an extra three kilos, of useful weight to your drone. SoNoah [00:23:12]: ‘Cause the cable that you have to unspool as you go weighs.Noah [00:23:15]: It is heavy.Yaroslav [00:23:15]: At first, like the spool is about 800 grams, so a bit less than a kilo, and then, and then think about 10, 10 kilometer optic fiber is another kilo, something like that. That takes away from your useful mass and then now you have like, you need a 15-inch drone and it can only carry maybe one or two kilos of explosives if you want to go, 20 kilometers. If you want to go to 30 or 40, like 30 is probably max. 40 is like very problem problematic on optic fiber. And then the problem with optic fiber is it's actually getting super expensive. So and why? Because of all the data centers for AI. That's literally the same optic fiber-Noah [00:24:01]: We're running out of centersYaroslav [00:24:02]: That's being used there.Yaroslav [00:24:02]: Like when Ukrainians and Russians come to Chinese factories to buy the optic fiber, they're like, “We're out. We sold it out to the Americans.”? That's the craziest thing. So optic fiber went up in price from like, $4 per, kilometer to like, $32 per kilometer in a few months in the beginning of this year. And I'veBrandon [00:24:26]: Claude Code is stopping the Russian drone effort here.Yaroslav [00:24:30]: Ukrainian as well. Yeah.Brandon [00:24:31]: Ukrainian. But I read somewhere that the Russians had grown more dependent on fiber optic drones relative to the Ukrainians, and that's one reason why the Ukrainians have sort of regained the initiative in drones recently.Brandon [00:24:42]: How accurate's that?Yaroslav [00:24:43]: The Russians were the first ones to scale that. I think by as of now, Ukraine has caught up. I think, like, as of maybe three months ago, Ukraine is mostly caught up on fiber optic. Yeah.Brandon [00:24:57]: What percent of damage would you say is in terms of FPV drone damage would you say is now fiber optic versus, like autonomous?FPVs as the New God of War: Tanks, Artillery, and Cost per KillYaroslav [00:25:07]: For our, for our audience, I actually, I cannot answer that question. Like, it's like I know the answer, but I would not disclose that. But for our audience, I think another interesting fact is out of all the casualties on the front line Between 70 and 80% are done by FPV drones.Brandon [00:25:30]: FPV drones are the new weapon of universal weapon of warfare.Yaroslav [00:25:34]: It'sBrandon [00:25:35]: Land warfare, anywayYaroslav [00:25:35]: They used to say that artillery is a god of war because artillery used to cause, like 80% of casualties, and now On that ranking-Brandon [00:25:46]: FPVYaroslav [00:25:47]: FPV drones rule.Brandon [00:25:48]: FPV drones are the god of war.Yaroslav [00:25:51]: Sort of. Dethroned artillery. But it's not to say that artillery is not useful, is not needed. Like, all of these systems are needed. Maybe except cavalry, although Russians still use it. I know, have you seen the videos of Russians using mules and horses?Brandon [00:26:09]: What is the usefulness-Yaroslav [00:26:10]: It'Brandon [00:26:10]: Of a tank in the in the modern-Yaroslav [00:26:11]: That's where we need Greenpeace to say a word, but they're silent. Yeah.Brandon [00:26:15]: What's the use of a tank on the modern battlefield?Yaroslav [00:26:21]: It's diminishing.Brandon [00:26:22]: Diminishing.Yaroslav [00:26:22]: However, I think there might be technologies which will, revive the tank. Look, tank still provides you armor, and armor is important. Like, you still need to armor and firepower, right? Like, you can be an armor personal carrier that provides you, armor. The challenge that currently exists is armor is not very well protected against incoming drones. However, there are ways to do to protect it. We were previously talking about this before the podcast. The CEO of Rheinmetall, recently sort of ridiculed, Ukrainian drone industry, saying that like, there is nothing interesting there, no real innovation, no to stand Compared to like, Rheinmetall or Boeing, and it's all made by housewives. There was like, obviously a ton of memes about this people ridiculing the CEO of Rheinmetall. And one of the best quotes, I heard on this topic is from my friend, Alexey Babenko, who's, the head of and founder of VIARI Drone, which is one of the largest manufacturers of FPV drones. They're our partner. They're using our autonomy. So he said that the drones we manufacture in one day will be more than enough to destroy all the tanks Rheinmetall manufactures in a year.Yaroslav [00:27:52]: Then, yeah, cost-wise, of course, a drone is like, $500 and a Rheinmetall tank is what, probably 5 million-ish or maybe more.Brandon [00:28:00]: Don't mess with those housewives.Yaroslav [00:28:03]: Drone wives.Brandon [00:28:04]: Drone wives.Yaroslav [00:28:06]: That's it.Noah [00:28:06]: There's a classic saying that everyone always fights the last war.Noah [00:28:12]: Yet do How did So from your standpoint, how did we get to the point where tanks became irrelevant in at least for now In a matter of just a few years?Yaroslav [00:28:24]: Look, I think it's the same way, how do we get to the point that calculators become irrelevant?Yaroslav [00:28:31]: Now we have iPhones. Like, why would you need a calculator? Technology progresses and its influence grows non-linearly. It's all exponential. So I can tell you that full autonomy, when you put it on a drone Look, so if you, if you think about a tank and a like, it's not a direct comparison, but even, like, a drone and a artillery shell or like, sort of cost per kill, an artillery shell for 155 caliber, which is a standard NATO caliber Currently market price is about $4,000 per piece. So compare that to say, $400 per drone. That's 10 times more expensive. Account for the amortization of the artillery gun and for how vulnerable it is and what is the sort of tactical, capabilities it gives you as compared to a drone. You'll figure out that an FPV drone is maybe three orders of magnitude, more versatile, more useful, more capable than artillery and many of than a classic artillery. Many of Because there are different types of artillery. Not just, like, one 155. You have mortars, you have all that. But give or take, roughly three orders of magnitude maybe. Again, it doesn't have that firepower. It's not one-to-one comparison still.Yaroslav [00:29:53]: Now, take that FPV drone. When you put full autonomy on that FPV drone, which can be not very expensive, like systems that we're, producing are like, in hundreds of dollars of pure bombFull Autonomy: From Human Pilots to Smartphone-Directed Drone MissionsNoah [00:30:06]: Just interrupt. You said full autonomy Just a second ago you were saying that the autonomy here is guidance, right? It's not decision-making.Yaroslav [00:30:14]: No, I was I was saying that's the f-First and sort of easiest pieces of autonomy that was fielded by us. But if you, if you add full autonomy to a droneBrandon [00:30:24]: He, I think he's asking what does it can you, for the listeners, can you explain What the term full autonomy means?Yaroslav [00:30:29]: Basically, I think a good way to think about an FPV drone is like an iPhone of warfare. It's, like, very inexpensive, very mass producible, very versatile. You don't need a bunch of other things when you have a iPhone in your pocket. You don't have, need an MP3 player, you don't need a calculator, don't need other things. All right? So FPV drone is an iPhone. Or like, okay, Apple please don't sue me, is a smartphone. And then, when you add autonomy to it sort of becomes like Uber or ride sharing. Okay? So what it means is instead of actually being a trained pilot who has this complex remote controller device which requires a couple months of training to actually pilot the drone, and then having to pilot it for 30 minutes, flying towards the target, et cetera, et cetera, now you basically, you have your smartphone, you have a drone, you pick your smartphone, you say, “We are here. The bad guys are here. Go and get them.” And the drone goes up, flies in a given direction, localizes itself on the map, finds the dedicated area where they, the bad guys are supposed to be sees the bad guys, bombs them, return, like, watches, so does a damage assessment, returns back, sits down, and then you can pick it up and watch the video if you didn't have the radio link, right?Noah [00:31:59]: That's a bomber drone.Yaroslav [00:32:00]: That's full autonomy for a bomber drone, right?Noah [00:32:03]: You're saying that no human decision is made in this entire process?Brandon [00:32:06]: That's not, that's not what he's saying.Yaroslav [00:32:07]: A human decision was made at the beginning of the process-Noah [00:32:09]: I get it. I get itYaroslav [00:32:09]: The same way as you would fire an artillery.Yaroslav [00:32:12]: When you fire an artillery, you don't stop at like, 500 meters away from a target and ask it whether, you want to strike or not. That's exactly, a human decision is always made at some point. So when you do that's full autonomy, and such full autonomy is happening as we speak. And such full autonomy increases the capabilities of an FPV drone, which is already, like, three orders more powerful than an artillery shell. Full autonomy increases its capabilities by four orders of magnitude because now you can have 100 times as many people who can use it, because you don't need to train those people, and this is important. You can have 10 times, mission success rate, and you can have 10 times utility per drone because now instead of being one-way kamikaze, it's, it can be a bomber.Brandon [00:33:05]: Now wait, let's, you said 10 times mission success rate, which means that fully autonomous bomber drones succeed in their missions 10 times more often than human piloted bomber drones do. That's an important thing to know.Noah [00:33:17]: Maybe, to push back onBrandon [00:33:19]: They're super, they're superhuman. They're, they' 10X superhuman.Yaroslav [00:33:22]: They're not vulnerable to electronic warfare. They don't care about the radio horizon. They don't lose track during navigation. They are not susceptible to human error when, an artillery shell or other drone blows up besides you and you're like, “Hell no,”like, “I'm getting out of here.” Right? That doesn't happen to an autonomous drone. Like, all of those things. Like, we have, like, one of the brigades that's using our drones with just first level autonomy They literally said that their success rates-Brandon [00:33:53]: What's first level autonomy?Yaroslav [00:33:54]: First level autonomy is just the terminal guidance.Yaroslav [00:33:57]: By the way, we have video of that. We can watch that.Brandon [00:33:59]: Terminal guidance means a human gets it nearby and then the AI takes over.Yaroslav [00:34:03]: The human flies it all the way, like 30 kilometers towards the target, and obviously the target was probably given to that human by someone who's flying some ISR drone, some reconnaissance drone, right? So all the way to the target, and once you see the target from a distance of 500 meters, you do target lock, and from there drone flies autonomous. So just that feature alone, it has increased the guy's, his call sign is Grom, so it has increased his, mission success rate, like precision of mission, yeah, mission success rate from 20% to 71%, and it also increased his kill zone from three kilometers to 10 kilometers, which means there's certain area around the front line which is designated kill zone. Whenever enemy goes into that area, it's almost guaranteed to be to be destroyed by a drone. And then obviously the drones are not launched from like, the zero line. They're usually launched from like, minus 10 kilometer-Mission Success, Failure Modes, and the Five Levels of AutonomyBrandon [00:35:03]: What is a zero line?Yaroslav [00:35:05]: Zero line is sort of an imaginary line of control, of two conflicting forces.Brandon [00:35:14]: It's important to explain these things to a lot of the listeners who areYaroslav [00:35:17]: Thank you for askingBrandon [00:35:18]: Familiar with warfare.Noah [00:35:20]: Myself.Noah [00:35:20]: I'm one of those listeners.Brandon [00:35:20]: You said that level one autonomy, in other words just terminal guidance, just, like, human gets it to the finish line and then it goes over the finish line, increases mission success from 20 something percent to 71%, or something like that.Yaroslav [00:35:33]: Increases the kill zoneBrandon [00:35:34]: Increases the kill zoneYaroslav [00:35:34]: Three kilometers to 10 kilometers.Brandon [00:35:36]: Got it.Yaroslav [00:35:36]: On both parameters-Brandon [00:35:37]: What is full autonomy, dude? AndNoah [00:35:38]: Actually on real quick, can we define mission success and like, maybe in a way, what are the failure modes of missions?Brandon [00:35:44]: I have a guess what mission success is.Noah [00:35:46]: But I couldBrandon [00:35:47]: Get ‘em.Yaroslav [00:35:49]: No, but that's a very good question, in fact, because, even if you fly into the target, well, first the target can be damaged or destroyed. Those are two different modes. Then there can be different targets. A sole infantryman is one kind of target. A dugout where supposed there are some, enemies there is another kind of target, and a some mechanical equipment is another type of target. Radio emitting equipment, which, like, often, like, the targets that the military want to get more than anything else is the some enemy radio tower or something like that or some small radio dish that really makes life difficult in that area, in that combat area. So those are different targets, right? It can be destroyed, can be damaged.Then sometimes, the drone hits but doesn't explode. Like, that happens. And then, there are other failure modes. You didn't even reach the target because you were A jammed by electronic warfare; B, you lost the control over drone because of the radio horizon; C, you were jammed by a different type of electronic warfare that happens way before You hit the target area. It's, impacting your, video receiver. So like jamming on video or jamming on control are two different types of jamming. Then something malfunctioned on a drone, just a mechanical malfunction, maybe like a motor broke or like, whatever. So all of those are different failure modes. Yeah, or maybe you got lost, you're navigate navigating to your, to your target. That happens, too.Noah [00:37:41]: The Level one autonomy, basically you manage to point in a direction.Noah [00:37:49]: You go there, and then the last mile The drone taking over.Yaroslav [00:37:52]: We define this like, I define that but it sort of got picked up by the industry. We define five levels of autonomy. So level one is terminal guidance. It's what we just discussed. Level two is bombing. Level three is autonomous target detection and engagement decision. Level four is autonomous navigation. And level five is autonomous takeoff and landing.Noah [00:38:15]: Those are good things to knowYaroslav [00:38:16]: Those are five levels of autonomy. Now, if youNoah [00:38:19]: I have a question for you.Yaroslav [00:38:19]: Sorry. Like, let me finish withNoah [00:38:21]: SorryYaroslav [00:38:21]: Theoretical part.Noah [00:38:23]: What is Tesla running at right now?Yaroslav [00:38:25]: Tesla?Noah [00:38:25]: No, sorry.Yaroslav [00:38:26]: That's very good point. Like, it's exactly, it was inspired by the levels of self-driving autonomy.Noah [00:38:32]: Waymo's level five, right?Noah [00:38:35]: You just tell it where you want to go, it picks you up, and then you go there.Yaroslav [00:38:36]: I think, like, if you, if you look at the classic definitions of self-driving cars, Waymo is still, like, level four because it still requires even remote, but still, like, human control. It's like if Waymo gets in trouble, there is an operator who takes over and resolves this. So that would still be a level four. It doesn't map directly, but it's also five levels.Brandon [00:38:58]: Can I, can I interject a question here? In terms of an FPV drone that's like a suicide drone that'll just blow itself up killing something, how do what it hit? Like, does it, just transmit back, or do you sort of like, lose track of it and hope it hit? Like, what happens to that?Yaroslav [00:39:16]: That's a great question. SoBrandon [00:39:18]: You need another droneYaroslav [00:39:19]: Like, the current battlefield in Ukraine is saturated with different types of drones. So obviously you have all the FPV drones and last year alone, Ukraine manufactured about 4 million of these, and then Russia's maybe, like, 20% less than that. And for this year, the publicly voiced target was 7 million on Ukrainian side. So it's, like, serious numbers. We're getting in serious numbers here. And then besides those, there are different, reconnaissance drones, ISR as we call them, and there are sort of tactical level ISR where we, both Ukrainians and Russians usually use, Mavic, drone by DJI. And then there are a bunch of locally produced drones, which are sort of fixed wing drones that can stay in the air for much longer than Mavic, maybe, like, half an hour. And then, there are drones that can stay for many hours or even up to a day. And those drones have, are more expensive, have more expensive cameras, et cetera, et cetera. We hunt those drones that Russians launch. The Russians hunt our drones, and so on. But ideally, when you, are a group of soldiers operating an FPV, you'll have someone in your, company, or someone in your platoon who has an ISR asset that will do target designation for you. They'll say, “Oh, like, there's a Russian vehicle over there. Go and get him.”and you go there, you get it, and they're like, “Okay, confirmed.”Battlefield Surveillance and the Eight Dimensions of AutonomyBrandon [00:40:57]: Those guys are watching. They have their own drones in the sky.Yaroslav [00:40:59]: Target destroyed. They have, like, a carousel of drones because One Mavic cannot stay more than 30 minutes. ItBrandon [00:41:06]: They're constantly surveilling the battlefield.Yaroslav [00:41:07]: Almost every spot on the battlefield.Yaroslav [00:41:11]: It's not always the case. Sometimes you will not have a surveillance asset, so then you would launch another FPV just to confirm that there was a hit. Then if you see there was a hit and you're not sure if it completely destroyed, you maybe hit again for good measure.Brandon [00:41:26]: You double tap.Yaroslav [00:41:28]: That's how it works. But I was about to give you another sort of piece of taxonomy. So you have five levels of autonomy, right? Then you have sort of eight dimensions of autonomous battlefield. So what is eight dimensions? It's crucial to understand how autonomy evolves in a modern, battlefield environment. So dimension number one is level of autonomy. What are the capabilities that your asset has? Dimension number two is the platform you're operating on. So it can be a quadcopter, a fixed wing drone, different types of maybe, like, a long range drone or short range drone, but it can also be a missile. You can have autonomy even on an artillery shell or a ground vehicle or a sea vehicle. So all of those are different platforms. Level three would be domain. So it's ground to ground or ground to air as an intersection, or ground to sea or sea to air. They're all, like, all the nuances with different domains. Then level four, would be higher levels of autonomy, such as swarming, drone carriers, drone nests, et cetera.Brandon [00:42:39]: Now when you're saying level, you're talking about dimensions, not about-Yaroslav [00:42:42]: Sorry. YeahBrandon [00:42:43]: Autonomy levels. So dimension four.Yaroslav [00:42:43]: The dimension. Yeah, I used to say I was supposed to say dimension. I say dimension because each of them works with another, right? So you might have, like third level autonomy, fixed wing drone operating in land to air, and stuff like that right? And then operating in a swarm or operating from a nest. Right? Then you have, sort of dimension number five is environment. So is it day or night? Is it summer or winter? Is it, humid, cold, dry? What kind of target is it? Is your target hiding in a forest, or is it, behind a hill or within buildings? So all of that is environment. Then you have, dimension number six is command and control. How are you dealing with or like, tens of thousands of those assets around the battlefield? How are you coordinating that on the higher levels of command? How are you collecting data? All that.Yaroslav [00:43:44]: Dimension number seven would be infrastructure, so things like simulation, data collection tools, security, deployment mechanisms, et cetera. So all those systems have to be developed separately and integrate with all the others. And finally, dimension number eight is sort of distribution. Have you deployed 100 of these systems or 100,000 of these systems? Because those are two very different ballgames. So that now gives you a more broad overview of how autonomy propagates across the battle space.Targeting, Human Responsibility, and Rules of EngagementNoah [00:44:23]: As someone who has done machine learning and had gone out of distribution and had things, go horribly wrong, you were talking several of these, kind of axes of thinking about drone warfare seem like they could be very susceptible to some sort of distribution shift if you start making things autonomous.Yaroslav [00:44:41]: Like what?Noah [00:44:41]: I mean Well, first ofYaroslav [00:44:43]: If the I'm very interested Sort of sort of kinds of scenarios that you're thinking about.Noah [00:44:48]: Like the most obvious one is you, if I assume these are computer vision guided systems for at least the last mile, how do you ensure that oh, well, like you now have some fog roll in or something, and you, the drones just attack the wrong thing? Or maybe, it probably will not turn around and fly back and attack you, but youYaroslav [00:45:10]: Same, the same, the same question, how do you ensure that your mortar fire hits the right thing? Well, it's like mortar fire, give or take half a kilometer could be plus or minus. So maybe you fire one, and then you fire another. So drones are actually, much better in being precise in those scenarios. And I think, to your point, I think five to 10 years from now it will be immoral to use weapons without AI.Yaroslav [00:45:44]: ‘Cause weapons without AI will be more likely to cause, collateral damage or unwanted damage. Same way, it will be immoral to drive your own car manually on a public road because it's more likely to cause, unwanted damage.Noah [00:46:02]: Wow, I never considered that mightBrandon [00:46:04]: Really? That's definitely coming.Yaroslav [00:46:07]: Anyway.Brandon [00:46:07]: No, but that' I don't know, it's an obvious, an obvious thought. I agree with you.Brandon [00:46:12]: I, No, they, obviously they're not going to let you drive once most of the cars on the road are autonomous.Noah [00:46:17]: No, that one, don't I believe.Yaroslav [00:46:19]: No, I think you were you were talking about drones, right?Brandon [00:46:21]: The drones, right. Cool.Yaroslav [00:46:22]: The weapons, right?Brandon [00:46:23]: Friendly fire and collateral damage and stuff like that is all minimized with AI.Brandon [00:46:27]: Here's my question. Take all let's go to level six autonomy. Let's take all of the target selection. Let's take all the battlefield data, integrate it into one big AI, and have that big AI basically be in command of the battlefield And agentically do target selection.Yaroslav [00:46:44]: Be the general, right?Brandon [00:46:44]: It's a general. It's, you've cut humans out of the loop except maybe as dexterous robots, repairing drones and fastening things to drones or maybe something like that because you don't have those robots yet. How soon are we there? AI general.Yaroslav [00:46:58]: The most important thing to ask ourselves is who will be faster to that us or our adversaries?Brandon [00:47:07]: I assume us, but how fast will we be to that? I hope us.Yaroslav [00:47:11]: I hope so too.Brandon [00:47:12]: How fast can we Like when are we looking at that in terms of like horizons years?Yaroslav [00:47:18]: Like technically, it could be done now. The question is of course, there's, some engineering work to be done. The bigger challenge is deployment. Right? So okay, technically Like operation in Iran, right? They, the publicly, it was claimed that I think Palantir system was used for target designation, et cetera, et cetera. So it is not exactly as you say, the AI makes all the decisions, but basically AI goes through all the data you have, gives you these 1,027 different targets and says, “You-- To confirm, please press Okay.” And you look at the targets and you're like, “Yeah, sounds right. Press Okay.”so that's, I think that's where we are now already, or we were a couple weeks ago as we're recording this on April 10th. Another question is how massively deployable it is. Is it, like, every decision being made like that or is it, like, just some of the decisions made like that? And then different levels of command and control. There you have, like, the platoon, the company level, the battalion, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But the tricky thing here when we get into that territory, the tricky thing is If your enemy is getting advantage of being Thousand times faster than yourself by deploying such systems What do you do?Yaroslav [00:49:10]: You got to-Brandon [00:49:12]: The if the enemy is a thousand times faster than you at deploying those systems?Yaroslav [00:49:16]: Like, if enemy starts deploying level six autonomy, as you call And you have not started doingBrandon [00:49:22]: You're in troubleYaroslav [00:49:23]: Yes, exactly. So you have to catch up. So my point is that it is very important to think about the safety of these systems, but that thinking should not slow you down in developing them because they are critical for your existential, survival, right? And like, one person who doesn't think, doesn't get to think about the ethics of the war is a dead person. That person surely doesn't get to think about that.Brandon [00:49:52]: What would be the safety risk of such a system?Yaroslav [00:49:55]: Of course-Brandon [00:49:56]: Friendly fire?Yaroslav [00:49:56]: Just wrong decisions, right?Brandon [00:49:59]: I see.Yaroslav [00:49:59]: Maybe, these decisions-AI Command Decisions, Dead Zones, and Complex BattlefieldsBrandon [00:50:06]: Skynet AI decides it's going to useYaroslav [00:50:08]: No, these-Brandon [00:50:08]: Drone army to kill usYaroslav [00:50:09]: Decisions will not only be made about drones. They are likely to made about what the humans should do on your side as well. Then obviously some environments are more like Ukrainian-Russian war, where you haveBrandon [00:50:26]: It will have to choose to risk lives. It will have to choose to sacrifice human lives-Yaroslav [00:50:28]: Of courseBrandon [00:50:29]: On your side.Yaroslav [00:50:29]: Of course. And then some environments are just, like, dead, like, dead zones and there are no civilians there, or virtually no civilians close to the front line because, like, super dangerous. Everyone has evacuated from there. But there are other environments which are more like, okay, there's a counterterrorist operation. There's, like, a group of terrorists or a group of civilians. Or like, it's like the recent operations in Iran, I imagine that the US and Israeli forces do not want to harm civilians. They only targeted the military targets there, right? So in those situations, it's a different level of responsibility for that decision-making as well. And then there is just such a big variety of those military missions, and I'm not even, like, well-informed or well-educated in military science to tell you about all those scenarios. We would need to put some general besides me, and maybe a Ukraine general and American general would have told you very different stories about these things.Brandon [00:51:34]: Got it. Can I ask a few more questions? All right. So in 2013, I wrote one of my first, paid articles ever was about how the era of drones will change human society. I was just sitting around bored thinking about things.Yaroslav [00:51:54]: You were way ahead of your time.Brandon [00:51:55]: I said, I said, “The following will happen.”Yaroslav [00:51:57]: It's, this article is real. I've read it.Yaroslav [00:51:58]: It's actually-Brandon [00:51:59]: I said small autonomous, suicide drones, will cleanse the battlefield of human infantry. Human infantry will not be able to stand against swarms of AI-powered, suicide drones. That was I didn't even know about, like, AlexNet at the time, I think.Yaroslav [00:52:19]: You're just an avid sci-fi reader.Brandon [00:52:23]: I'm an avid sci-fi reader, but also, like, it's not Like, there will be a way to do that. It's a it's a nonlinear multidimensional search problem, and you get enough compute, you'll find some search algorithm that will get you there. And soBrandon [00:52:38]: I, yeah, I think that one sentence describes the bitter lesson right there.Brandon [00:52:41]: It's just like it's a multidimensional search space. You search it somehow. I don't know. Figure out some get a grad student-Yaroslav [00:52:47]: Sooner or laterBrandon [00:52:47]: To make a search algorithm.Brandon [00:52:48]: It's not that hard. Anyway, so but then, but I guess the point is The point is that human infantry on the battlefield will be will be gone at the end. I wrote that in 2013. Many people on social media laughed at me for that called me hysterical, said things like, “Electronic warfare will knock all the drones out of the sky.”like, “You need humans to hold ground.”that's something you still hear from a lot of people on social media today. I feel that this article that I've written has never been directionally wrong. It has gotten more and more right steadily over time, and that we're very reading the battlefield reports from Ukraine, where, human infantry are basically guy, like a few guys hiding in dugouts for months, and I'm not sure what they're doing.Yaroslav [00:53:35]: That's on Ukraine's side. On the Russian side, that's just like a zerg rush.Brandon [00:53:38]: The zerg rush, and then they just die. Then, but they have some guys in dugouts too, right? Like hiding in dugouts for months.Yaroslav [00:53:45]: They have. Yeah.Brandon [00:53:45]: Like, but that like, what are those guys doing in the dugouts? Are providing, like, frontline, like, reconnaissance? Like, what are they doing?Yaroslav [00:53:54]: If there is a guy in a dugout with some bullets and automatic weapon, the other guy cannot come and take the that dugout. That'Brandon [00:54:07]: I seeYaroslav [00:54:08]: They are they're establishing control over territory.Brandon [00:54:10]: I see. So that is so there still is a use for human infantry on the battlefield as of today.Yaroslav [00:54:15]: LikeBrandon [00:54:15]: How long will that last?Yaroslav [00:54:17]: I think it will last for a while. This is funny. There's this whole Layer of the modern culture, a modern Ukraine culture built around the war-related stuff. So there is this -Punk rock band, that is called SZC, I guess in English that would be. Which stands short for like a deserter or something like that. So anyhow, this band has a song titled “2030.” It's basically about the year 2030, and the war still goes on as like the whatever, third world war or whatever. And they basically, they, sang about the AI and like cyborgs and everything, but the simple infantry is still needed, and we're still, like, getting cold in those dugouts, and we're still doing our job. That's sort of the theme of the song. And it seems like that's actually what's going to happen. There areGround Robots, Simulation, and the Limits of World ModelsBrandon [00:55:30]: Ground robots will not replace humans in the dugouts soon.Yaroslav [00:55:34]: I'm very much interested in following the whole humanoid robot theme andBrandon [00:55:39]: What about like a dog robot?Noah [00:55:41]: Or just mobile controlled platforms or something.Brandon [00:55:44]: Spider robot, yeah.Brandon [00:55:45]: Everything evolves into a crab.Brandon [00:55:46]: You build a crab robot.Yaroslav [00:55:47]: A humanoid-Noah [00:55:48]: The carcinization of warfare.Yaroslav [00:55:51]: There is a lot of utility in humanoid robots because the world is designed around humanoids. So I would not, like, 100% disqualify the possibility that sometimes 10 years in the future, humanoid robots, will be actually fighting. So that's an actual Terminator kind of scenario.Brandon [00:56:14]: Yeah, in the first Terminator movie, you look at what they've got on the battlefield, they've got flying bomber drones and humanoid robots.Yaroslav [00:56:20]: Look, the cost of large language models of running them is getting so low, you can have basically an inexpensive computer running, what was a state-of-the-art model a year and a half ago, running it locally on a device with an open source model, which also means that the Chinese can have it, the Russians can have it, the North Koreans can have it, et cetera. So that is already possible. And with when we're looking at the acceleration of the neural nets, I would've, if not the acceleration of the large language models, I would've said that I don't think that humanoid robots will be able to be useful in the battlefield earlier than in 10 years. But if you account for the exponential, it might be five years or so. The problem with all of the autonomous systems, and it's like starts with self-driving cars and even with all the AI, like modern day AI agents, to make them really, useful, you have to solve such a long tail of edge cases, that it's really difficult to make them useful. Like we were promised, self-driving cars, what, like 2007, Sebastian Thrun and Google, and even before that all the challenges, everything. And Elon of course told us it's going to be one year from 2014, and now we still don't have self-driving Teslas everywhere. We have Waymos in SF and some other places, but they're still, like, not perfect. So I think, I expect something similar from self-flying drones and fully autonomous drones, and we saw that firsthand as with each level of autonomy that we're adding, there is a very wide distance between a prototype and something that is ready to be scaled to millions of units and something that has been scaled to millions of units. But the race with like AI coding tools is just insane. So things might accelerate very fast, faster than we can imagine.Noah [00:58:46]: I think your point is that with due to this long tail behavior Level one autonomy as you've defined it, is actually very natural. Like you basically are just solving an image recognition and tracking system.Yaroslav [00:59:02]: It's actually interesting that you say it that way, and I thought about this the very same way, and we have this joke that there are like 200 companies in Ukraine which are trying to solve last mile, targeting or terminal guidance. It seems like we're like the only company that actually solved that because even that problem-Noah [00:59:22]: I'm not saying it's, I'm not saying it's trivial, but it's at least something that you imagine given our current state.Yaroslav [00:59:26]: Like us and Eric Schmidt, like Eric Schmidt's companies are pretty good.Yaroslav [00:59:29]: Like, I actually have lots of respect to what they're doing, and they're, they have been practically influential and helpful on the battlefield, and they have good engineering.Noah [00:59:38]: I wasn't, I wasn't saying it's trivial. I'm just saying this is a something naturally adaptive based upon things that we know work, well. But some of the other domains that where you do have to make decisions and you have a long tail become much harder, and you worry about edge cases more.Yaroslav [00:59:57]: Like the more, the more complex behavior you're trying to simulate, the more edge cases there are right? The more ways to do it wrong there are. And then there are different approaches. It's like if you think about, if you read academic papers about robotics, right? You sort of the robot is represented as something that has the sort of sensor input, and then you have three, levels of sort of logics or decision-making, which are perception, planning, and control, and then you have actuators as output.So pre-neural nets, you would do perception output and control all with classic logics, right? Then, with AlexNet and computer vision, you could do perception with neural nets and the rest with logic. You cannot currently do each of those separately with neural nets, each of those separately with logics, or you can just have one huge neural net that just takes lots of sensory data. It's not just pixels. Could be sound, could be accelerometer, could be everything, as input, and just outputs the controls. And some of the self-driving car companies are doing that or like, experimenting between different ways of doing that. So you can also, like, think about that and the way you implement those features, also influences how much degrees of freedom the system would have, right? Like control, you can do it classical algorithmic control with common filters and PAD filter, PAD controllers, et cetera, or you can do a neural net, that was trained in a gym with a reinforcement learning, et cetera. And those would be two different behaviors of a system.Noah [01:01:53]: I-- Maybe my point was just much more high level. It'Yaroslav [01:01:56]: Or you can If you go even like, if you go high level, you can, you can like train to like have whatever, like Feifei Li and folks who are doing like physical, sortBrandon [01:02:08]: World modelsYaroslav [01:02:08]: World models, right, physical intelligence, they're trying to make these big models and sort of understand the world and then supposedly you have such model and you can tell a drone, “Okay, like, go over that hill and like, find the bad guys and then get them,”or “Make me a video, make me a photo of the guy smiling and get back to me.” Right? That's one way. Another way you have like these subsystems, like one is navigation, another is finding the person, another is like getting to them to take a photo. And those are again, very different behaviors. And then it's not that one is necessarily better than the other, and we might have more technological ability to do one or another. But all of those systems will exist. And then again, you should always keep in mind that it's only the not only the good guys that are developing these systems, the bad guys are developing these systems as well.China's Drone Supply Chain and the West's Manufacturing GapNoah [01:03:00]: I guess where I'm going with this back to Noah's original thought with the end of the end of the soldier. And so in order to replace-Brandon [01:03:10]: Or at least the end of the rifleman.Noah [01:03:11]: Or the end of the rifleman, yeah.Yaroslav [01:03:13]: I'm not seeing that very close, and it was like I'm, as much as I'm a lover of sci-fi and all of that and a technologist, the more I try to beYaroslav [01:03:27]: Like the I try to have certain humility about these things, and like the military, domain and there was just so much human history and blood and tears, dedicated to sort of understanding this art of war and perfecting it and so on. There is so much knowledge in there that I don't feel like I even started to comprehend, a lot of that. But one thing that I really understood is that even though drones are now making eighty percent of the casualties, you go to the actual officers, you talk to the actual, like, brigade commanders, corps commanders, and they explain to you, how all of it fits together, how when you're thinking about an operation that involves a couple thousand people to get this piece of land, out of the enemy's hands, deoccu deoccupy it, how it is so complex, it involves, dozens of different types of drones and then land operations and reconnaissance operations, psychological operations and then aviations and tanks and logistics and all kinds of these different assets. So modern warfare is really very complex, and the fact that the drones are the latest, coolest thing, and then the AI is latest, coolest thing, doesn't mean that now it's that and only that right? So yeah. Whoever's looking into that I think should realize that it's not just what the press talks about, that the reality is much more difficult, much more complex.Brandon [01:05:17]: Let's talk about China and China's manufacturing capabilities. So suppose that someone, like suppose the United States went to war with China. AndYaroslav [01:05:26]: I hope not.Brandon [01:05:27]: I hope not as well. And then but suppose that drones were very essential to that war of all the types of drones that we're talking about here, and that suppose that China said, “All right, well, you need X and Y and Z, to make those drones to fight us, and we control the production of X and Y and Z, so we're just going to cut you right off, and now you have no drones.”Brandon [01:05:47]: I know that a number of countries, including Ukraine and Taiwan, have been making moves to China-proof their drone productions that China couldn't do that. Examples of things they might be able to cut off might include rare earths, fiber optic cable that you were talking about before, various other things that where even if they don't control one hundred percent of the production, they control enough of the production that would be extremely expensive to produce it without relying on Chinese sources. Or the market's fragmented enough, et cetera. What do you see as China's key bottlenecks, and how easy are those to overcome in terms of China-proofing drone production in case of a war against China?Yaroslav [01:06:30]: Let me start with a saying that -Although China does not sell directly to Ukraine and it does sell directly to Russia, a lot of Ukrainian supply chains, they start in China, right?Yaroslav [01:06:49]: We're not in a conflict with China, and we would not want to be in a conflict with China. And we'd hope that China stays a neutral power between Ukraine and Russia and the US as well. That said, the scenario that you're describing, everything is much worse.Yaroslav [01:07:11]: Think about this. Last year, Ukraine produced four million FPV drones. Ukraine is not the most industrious nation in the world.Yaroslav [01:07:19]: China can produce four billion of these FPV drones.Yaroslav [01:07:23]: China can make them not drones with propellers, but fixed-wing drones, which go not forty kilometers far, but maybe two to three hundred kilometers inland.

Fresh out of the studio, Bernard Leong sits down with Kiren Kumar, Deputy Chief Executive of the Infocomm Media Development Authority (IMDA) Singapore, for a conversation on how Singapore is building trusted AI at national scale. Kiren traces IMDA's arc from the 2018 Model AI Governance Framework to the Agentic AI framework launched at Davos this year, the four AI missions — advanced manufacturing, finance, connectivity, and healthcare — anchoring the next strategic bound, and the programs moving enterprises from pilots to production. He argues the real blocker is leadership rather than policy, that trust is Singapore's enduring competitive moat, and that the country must shift from 10% productivity gains to 10X transformation. The conversation closes with a preview of ATx Summit 2026 and what great looks like for Singapore's AI economy by the early 2030s."What would be amazing to see in Singapore is, number one, we have our large companies truly transforming themselves and becoming way bigger than they are today in the global competitive landscape—in manufacturing, in finance, in healthcare, and in connectivity. That's one. The second one is we are known globally as an economy where everybody in our workforce is AI-ready. Yeah, is AI fluent. The third thing I'm hoping to see is we have amazing AI native startups being born in our ecosystem, which are global in the niche areas that they can play in. We may not have the next OpenAI, but I'm hoping that we have a lot of new AI native technology companies that are developing products and services and solutions enabled by AI, powered by AI, transforming industries and creating a lot of growth." - Kiren Kumar Episode Highlights: [00:00] Quote of the Day by Kiren Kumar from IMDA Singapore[02:24] Origin story — Singapore, Stanford, dotcom crash[05:00] Digital economy now 19% of Singapore's GDP[08:08] Career advice — start at a startup first[09:04] IMDA's four core mandates explained[11:47] Trust as Singapore's enduring brand advantage[12:48] Co-create with industry rather than regulate[14:09] Why agentic AI changes the governance equation[15:18] Pilots versus production — the hard transition[17:18] Forward deployed engineers as scarce commodity[18:55] Why agentic AI needed a separate framework[20:23] SME AI adoption tripled in a single year[21:36] From 10% productivity to 10X transformation[24:20] SME Go Digital — 100,000 SMEs in ten years[25:40] Leadership, not policy, is the real blocker[30:46] National AI Impact Program upskills 100,000[34:50] Four missions — manufacturing, finance, connectivity, healthcare[35:49] Owning the global AI standards layer[38:01] ATx Summit 2026 themes and headliners[41:07] What Singapore must get right by 2030[42:05] AI is a contact sport — just start[44:36] What great looks like — companies, workforce, startups[46:52] ClosingProfile: Kiren Kumar, Deputy Chief Executive Officer, Infocomm Media Development Authority (or IMDA), Singapore (LinkedIn) Podcast Information: Bernard Leong hosts and produces the Analyse Podcast show. The proper credits for the intro and end music are "Energetic Sports Drive." G. Thomas Craig mixed and edited the episode in both video and audio format.

From Brazil to Eight Figures: High-Ticket Masterminds, Sales Psychology & Scaling With Victor Damazio In this powerful episode of Victor Damazio joins host Justin Benton aboard a yacht mastermind event to share the exact strategies he used to build an eight-figure mentoring business in Brazil. Victor reveals how he went from an unhappy lawyer to becoming one of Brazil's leading online marketing mentors after discovering product launches, high-ticket coaching, and mastermind programs. Along the way, he shares practical frameworks for creating premium offers, scaling recurring revenue, qualifying ideal clients, and protecting your time while growing your business. The conversation also dives deep into mindset, identity shifts, confidence, audience-building, and the emotional challenges of expanding into the English-speaking marketplace after achieving massive success in another country. This episode is packed with actionable insights for coaches, consultants, creators, entrepreneurs, and anyone building a high-ticket business. In This Episode You'll Learn How Victor built an eight-figure mentoring business in Brazil Why “positive ROI people” succeed regardless of circumstances The difference between incremental growth and 10X opportunities How mastermind groups can completely transform a business Why accelerated implementation creates massive results The psychology behind premium pricing and high-ticket sales How to qualify clients using the “Sparta Method” Why saying “no” to the wrong clients is essential The “upside-down value ladder” strategy Email marketing tactics that revive cold audiences Social selling techniques using Instagram DMs How to add recurring revenue with two simple words: “per year” The importance of protecting time and energy as an entrepreneur Victor's journey expanding from Portuguese-speaking markets into English-speaking audiences Key Takeaways Become a “Positive ROI Person” Victor explains that successful entrepreneurs don't rely on perfect opportunities—they create value wherever they go. Chase 10X Leaps Small improvements matter, but transformational growth comes from bold moves, strategic partnerships, and premium offers. Sell High-Ticket First Rather than starting with low-ticket products, Victor recommends leading with premium offers and working downward only if necessary. Protect Your Time Victor strongly believes entrepreneurs should prioritize freedom and quality of life over maximizing gross revenue. Reverse the Sales Dynamic Using his “Sparta Method,” Victor teaches how to position yourself as the selector rather than the seller during high-ticket enrollment conversations. Memorable Quotes “The most precious thing in life truly is time.” “One bad client can ruin your mastermind.” “I run with those who want to run, walk with those who want to walk, and stop with those who need to stop.” “You should optimize your business not just for revenue—but for fun, freedom, and enjoying life.” “If you can create positive ROI no matter where you are, everything changes.” Connect With Victor Damazio Instagram: @victordamazio Entrepreneur, mentor, and creator of high-ticket coaching systems in Brazil Thank you for tuning in to the Miracle Plant Podcast. Remember, our mission is to heal the world with the power of this miracle plant. Join us next time for more inspiring stories and insights into the world of cannabis. Produced by PodConx Convert High Ticket™​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​ - converthighticket.comEmail Justin Benton - sales@converthighticket.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this raw and powerful episode of Level Up + Live, Sean sits down with returning guest Michael Faust. What unfolds is the kind of conversation most business owners are too afraid to have publicly. Twelve months ago, Michael was drowning in anxiety, reacting instead of leading, losing passion for the company he built, and silently carrying the pressure of managing a 40+ employee operation. Today? He's rebuilding his life from the inside out. This isn't another “10X your business” fluff episode. This is the real story behind what happens when a business owner finally admits: “I can't do this alone anymore.” From panic attacks and burnout to discipline, accountability, leadership, health transformation, and personal growth, Michael opens up about the painful truths entrepreneurs hide behind success. Inside this episode: • Why successful leaders secretly feel isolated • The dangerous cost of trying to “handle everything yourself” • How poor health silently destroys businesses • The mindset shift that changed Michael's company culture • Why accountability is the missing link for most entrepreneurs • The brutal truth about ego, burnout, and leadership • How Level Up + Live helped transform his marriage, mindset, business, and health This episode feels less like a podcast and more like a late-night coffee shop conversation with two men telling the truth about what success actually costs. If you're exhausted… If your business is growing but your peace is disappearing… If you feel like nobody understands the pressure you carry… This episode might hit harder than you expect. One conversation could change everything. If you're looking for a room of driven business owners who challenge, support, and grow together, come check us out. Be our guest: https://www.levelupandlive.com/lul-mastermind-group   Stay in the loop; stay in the lead! Get exclusive insights on business, fitness, leadership, and community straight to your inbox! Subscribe to the Level Up + Live newsletter now Level Up + Live  Tools to Level Up! Free Resources — Level Up + Live

In today's episode, I sit down with Grant Cardone, entrepreneur, real estate investor, bestselling author, and founder of the 10X movement, to talk about turning setbacks into fuel for something bigger. Grant shares how dissatisfaction can become a divine signal to grow, why success often starts before belief catches up, and how he learned to build businesses by doing the math backward from impossible targets. We also talk about time, money, real estate, leverage, social media, and the difference between chasing stages and building a platform that creates lasting relationships, impact, freedom, and a clearer path to becoming everything you are capable of becoming.

RESOURCES- Join my 3-Day Abundance Challenge and get step-by-step coaching to manifest financial, spiritual, and relational abundance. Sign up now at danetteabundance.com- Manifestival™ 2026 is happening in Sedona. A powerful experience to help you release, reset, and step into your next level. Join me: https://danettemay.com/manifestivalAZ2026 - Step into your next level of growth and join me inside Lotus Rising Premium Coaching at danettecoaching.comCONNECT WITH DANETTEInstagram: @thedanettemayFacebook: Danette MayTikTok: @thedanettemayNEW TV Show on Youtube: @TheDanetteMayListen to The Danette May ShowRead my book: danettemay.com/embraceabundancebookGet The Rise book: therisebook.comWork with Danette: danettemay.comIn this deeply personal episode, I'm sharing the healing journey, mindset shifts, and spiritual practices that helped me move through one of the hardest seasons of my life while continuing to grow my business, deepen my relationships, and reconnect with my purpose. From a cancer scare and hysterectomy recovery to nervous system healing, sweat lodge ceremonies, manifestation practices, and learning to trust life again, this conversation is a reminder that our hardest moments can become the catalyst for our greatest transformation. If you've been navigating stress, burnout, grief, anxiety, or major life transitions, I hope this episode helps you feel less alone and more empowered.I also dive into the exact tools and practices that helped me regulate my nervous system, strengthen my intuition, shift limiting beliefs, and raise my frequency toward healing, abundance, and peace. We explore manifestation, self-love, feminine energy, emotional healing, subconscious rewiring, spirituality, and personal growth while discussing how your beliefs shape your reality and influence every area of your life. Whether you are looking to heal emotionally, grow spiritually, improve your mindset, or create more abundance, this episode will leave you feeling inspired, grounded, and supported on your journey.IN THIS EPISODE:(0:00) How your beliefs create your reality(3:30) Friday night reflections and life lessons(5:50) Turning pain into purpose(9:41) The moment my cancer scare began(11:56) Ceremony, healing, and learning self love(14:31) My hysterectomy recovery and healing tools(15:53) Bali service work and devastating news(18:17) Team changes, big risks, and my 10X vision(22:57) Stress, burnout, and the sweat lodge experience(27:31) Energy healing and nervous system recovery(30:26) Why I started working less and trusting more(33:53) How your frequency shapes your outcomes(37:40) Final blessing, encouragement, and next steps