The Accidental Leader

Some of the best leaders never planned on being leaders at all. That is the whole idea behind this podcast, in fact, and I wanted to sit down with Nathan Cape, CEO of Minnequa Works Credit Union, for this conversation because Nathan is definitely someone whom I would call an “accidental leader” - someone who didn't chase titles but found himself leading anyway, and I think that that's where some of the most relatable stories live.Nathan shares how his childhood “bossiness” turned into a real leadership journey, one filled with early mistakes, burnout, and some tough lessons about trust and communication. We discuss what it means to shift from doing everything yourself to building a team which you believe in and why empowering others is both one of the hardest and most rewarding parts of leadership.Nathan also opens up about a major failure that could have really derailed him but instead became one of the most defining moments of his career, and we get into that huge realization which so many leaders have - that you don't always need to have the answer, but you do need to be honest when you don't.We also dive into what it feels like to lead a legacy organization in an industry changing faster than anyone could have predicted, with Nathan reflecting on growing up visiting his credit union as a kid only to end up shaping its future as CEO. If you have ever wondered what accidental leadership really looks like behind the scenes, this is the episode of The Accidental Leader for you!Time Stamps:[1:55] - Nathan reflects on how being “bossy” as a child led to leadership skills.[3:48] - Managing 41 people at a young age, Nathan struggled but learned that failure can lead to growing and improving.[5:46] - Nathan admits that he initially didn't get the right stakeholders involved.[8:03] - Nathan grew up valuing hard work and later learned that leadership means trusting and empowering others.[11:42] - I reflect on how leadership growth came from realizing that there are different styles of communication.[12:21] - Mentorship, being authentic, and having fun transformed Nathan's draining leadership style into balanced teamwork.[16:03] - Hear how a poor decision taught Nathan to pause, seek information, and support his team's growth.[19:21] - Nathan admits that dropping the ball once shaped him into a stronger, more accountable leader.[20:21] - I highlight that letting teams fail safely builds lasting knowledge that they'll pass on as leaders themselves.[22:07] - We learn that Nathan feels deeply connected to his credit union's legacy, rooted in his family's steel mill history.[24:13] - Nathan explains how building cooperative partnerships helps him and his team stay competitive while also honoring roots and community.[27:41] - I discuss how Louise Herring's reminder to modernize while honoring our mission still resonates today.[28:58] - Nathan advocates for listening more than speaking and always leading alongside your team via example.Resources:The Accidental Leader - Websiteyournarketing.cobo@yourmarketingco.comBo McDonald on LinkedInNathan Cape on LinkedInMinnequa Works Credit Union - WebsiteMinnequa Works Credit Union on LinkedIn

Join me this episode as I sit down with Cynthia Campbell, the founder of Soul Path Leadership, to reflect on the twists and turns of leadership through her personal and professional journey. She opens up about some of her biggest missteps in her leadership journey, shedding light on how ignoring her gut instincts has come with a price, both for her and her team.We also touch on the concept of leadership as a path that is always evolving, where fear is both a motivator and a challenge, with Cynthia sharing how she has learned to embrace fear and make decisions that have shaped her career and her company. We also talk about the importance of being self-aware, how different leadership styles resonate with different people, and the importance of being vulnerable to be a truly effective leader.This is a candid conversation about trusting your inner voice, the cost of making decisions based on fear, and the ongoing process of growth, and Cynthia's reflections offer practical insights into taking on both the personal and professional aspects of leadership, especially for those who find themselves becoming accidental leaders. Whether you're in a leadership position or are aspiring to be, this episode will surely challenge you to rethink your approach, confront your fears, and embrace the lessons hidden in mistakes!Time Stamps:[2:00] - Cynthia shares how ignoring her gut instincts led to unnecessary stress and delayed her pursuit of personal fulfillment.[5:14] - How does Cynthia silence fear to pursue new opportunities?[7:27] - Reflecting on comfort, I wonder if I would still risk everything to chase the unknown.[9:02] - Discovering coaching as her passion, Cynthia embraced growth by trusting herself and letting go of fear.[12:51] - I reflect on some of my early leadership influences.[13:56] - Cynthia explains that the leaders she admires most challenge her to grow while truly seeing all of her.[15:57] - Cynthia believes that a strong leader values every team member's unique role.[18:45] - I recommend the book Ego Is the Enemy to future leaders as a lesson in humility.[19:32] - Cynthia prefers direct feedback over small talk and struggles with people avoiding blunt honesty.[21:53] - People want autonomy and fast solutions, not sales pitches.[23:29] - Cynthia explains why her word of the year is "honor.”[26:48] - Cynthia argues that true fulfillment comes from living your dharma (your soul's purpose), not society's expectations.[29:45] - Carrying joy and gratitude daily helps Cynthia attract positivity and meaningful connections.[31:34] - Cynthia would tell her younger self to trust her intuition, even if others don't.[32:43] - I trust my gut feelings and believe that they're intuitive threads that are worth pulling for deeper insight.Resources:The Accidental Leader - Websiteyournarketing.cobo@yourmarketingco.comBo McDonald on LinkedInCynthia Campbell on LinkedInSoul Path Leadership - WebsiteEknath Easwaran - The Bhagavad GitaMichael Easter - The Comfort CrisisRyan Holiday - Ego Is the Enemy

Happy 2025, everyone, and welcome to the first episode of the new year! This year for 2025, I am not just making a list of tasks to check off but am also envisioning the life I want by December 31st, 2025! Inspired by my business coach, I am focusing on creating a vision rather than just tasks. It's a lot like planning a trip in that you need to know where you're headed before mapping out the route!Tune in as I share how reflecting on this year made me realize that it is truly a pivotal one, reminding me of setting my vision for 2020 despite COVID-19 uncertainties. It is really about deciding whether to let life happen or actively shape it.I also talk about a couple of books that have really shaped my thinking - The Good-Enough Life by Avram Alpert and The Comfort Crisis by Michael Easter - books that have both caused me to question our pursuit of more (more money, more stuff) and the comfort that shelters us from real challenges. Is more truly better, or does it just bring more problems?I explore the philosophy of living a "good enough" life and confronting the comfort that might be holding us back, and I also introduce you to my word for 2025: curiosity. Inspired by Brian Grazer's new book, I am truly embracing curiosity as a way to break free from my comfort zone and the lies that fear tends to create. This mindset shift is about being open to new experiences, even if they challenge or scare me.I really hope that you will join me for this episode of the show as I share my journey of setting a vision for 2025, pushing past comfort, and embracing curiosity! This episode is about self-reflection, growth, and figuring out how to live a life that's not just comfortable but meaningful!Time Stamps:[1:17] - I created a list of tasks for 2025 but ultimately focused on my end-of-year vision.[4:32] - Reflecting on big life decisions, I have realized the need to shape my vision for 2025.[7:13] - I contemplate whether to enjoy my current life or reinvest for future growth[9:54] - Modern conveniences contribute to a sheltered, under-challenged lifestyle.[11:41] - Listen as I question if comfort in life and business has led to a lack of challenges.[12:26] - Compulsive activity often distracts from addressing real issues in life.[14:01] - I discuss how life becomes a never-ending checklist, and satisfaction remains elusive as desires grow.[15:17] - Embracing curiosity and moving beyond your comfort zone help form the vision for a meaningful life.[17:14] - Fear comes before experience which limits growth by lowering the threshold for what constitutes a problem.[18:11] - Disrupting one's comfort zone and embracing curiosity are so important for growth.[22:40] - I close by arguing that success requires accepting failure and overcoming obstacles that are rooted in fear and lies.Resources:The Accidental Leader - Websiteyournarketing.cobo@yourmarketingco.comBo McDonald on LinkedInAvram Alpert - The Good-Enough LifeMichael Easter - The Comfort CrisisBrian Grazer & Charles Fishman - A Curious Mind: The Secret to a Bigger Life

I am excited to be bringing you episode 30 of The Accidental Leader because even though all of my guests are amazing and bring something fresh and unique to the table, my guest today brings an incredible story of growth, resilience, and leadership transformation. Join me as I have a discussion with Reh Harvey, the VP of Digital Strategy right here at yourmarketing.co! Reh's journey is as inspiring as it is unexpected, from a rocky start that included being fired from a leadership position to returning triumphantly to the very organization that once let him go.Listen as Reh and I talk about what it means to be an “accidental leader” - someone who doesn't necessarily start out aiming for leadership but grows into it over time. Reh shares how embracing imperfection, asking for help, and committing to continuous learning shaped his path, and we discuss his approach to leadership, emphasizing dignity and respect for all, exploring how pivotal moments and life lessons molded his unique perspective.Reh doesn't even shy away from sharing his vulnerabilities, recounting how he overcame self-doubt and used failures as stepping stones to success. He reflects on the influence of key figures in his life (both positive and negative)and how their examples helped shape his leadership philosophy.Via candid anecdotes and practical insights, Reh offers actionable advice on staying grounded, fostering relationships, and leading with authenticity, so whether you're an aspiring leader, a seasoned pro, or someone who's felt stuck in their journey, this episode is packed with relatable stories and valuable lessons!Time Stamps:[0:25] Welcome to episode 30, a conversation with Reh Harvey.[2:07] How would Reh define an accidental leader?[5:28] Embracing imperfection and focusing on growth led Reh to success through adaptability and persistence.[7:37] Reh shares that his great-grandmother's lesson on dignity taught him to value relationships and teamwork above hierarchy.[9:01] Reh argues that treating coworkers with respect and clarity fosters a collaborative path to achieving goals.[11:04] Reh feels inspired by Bo's evolution as a leader.[11:43] Steve Jobs' later career highlighted that treating team members with respect reflects on one's integrity.[13:32] Respect includes accountability, requiring hard conversations and shared commitment to team goals.[16:35] Leadership requires embracing fear, learning from mistakes, and treating failures as growth opportunities.[19:45] Be a good person by working on yourself and treating others with dignity and respect.[20:27] Leadership growth involves openness to feedback, self-reflection, and continuous learning from trusted mentors.[22:06] Reh feels that self-awareness and a commitment to growth are essential traits for effective leadership.[22:31] Improving as a leader demands ongoing learning, honest feedback, and investing in personal development.[23:53] Do hard work, and be a good human!Resources:The Accidental Leader - Websiteyournarketing.cobo@yourmarketingco.comBo McDonald on LinkedInReh Harvey on LinkedInCharlamagne Tha God - Get Honest or Die Lying: Why Small Talk Sucks

Episode 29 of The Accidental Leader features Chris Lorence, whose extensive career in credit unions and banking offers a wealth of information on leadership, authenticity, and the evolving challenges of financial services! Our conversation isn't one that I planned. Instead, a powerful LinkedIn post that Chris shared on leadership and risk caught my eye, sparking the need to bring him on. Chris's career journey, from his beginnings with Internet banking to his current role leading the Labor Credit Unions Foundation, truly reflects a true passion for innovation balanced with real-world experience in risk-taking.Join us as Chris and I discuss the often complex world of leadership, especially in traditionally conservative spaces like credit unions. Chris's philosophy, inspired by a quote from Ford Foundation CEO Darren Walker, that "there's no leadership without risk," highlights his approach to guiding teams and making impactful decisions, and throughout our conversation, Chris opens up about his own experiences as an openly gay leader, revealing the challenges that he has faced and the growth that he has achieved by balancing vulnerability with accountability.I really hope that you will tune in for a deep, thoughtful discussion on what it means to be an authentic leader, with Chris sharing inspiring stories of mentors who shaped his approach, encouraging him to give credit and hold space for learning. This episode explores what it takes to trust a team, even in the face of setbacks, and why leaders must sometimes step back to truly lead. For anyone navigating leadership in any field, this episode offers incredibly valuable lessons on taking risks and facilitating genuine team dynamics!Time Stamps:[2:22] We get some background information on Chris.[5:55] Chris argues that effective leadership requires taking risks, balancing goals, employee care, and innovation for organizational growth.[7:04] Being a leader requires balancing authenticity, vulnerability, and accountability, which is a constant, evolving effort.[9:02] The most recent episode features Christie Smith, whose authenticity, vulnerability, and commitment to growth in leadership is all impressive.[10:48] Chris discusses how being an openly gay leader in financial services has been a complex journey, balancing authenticity and risk in a rather conservative realm.[13:58] Chris has learned that authentic leadership involves navigating unique challenges that no book can fully prepare you for.[16:05] This podcast reflects on leadership, inspired by both strong and flawed leaders that we have had.[17:54] Chris' mentor Dave encouraged growth by gently challenging him, teaching patience and the importance of quality control.[19:34] Chris shares how he was inspired to lead with credibility and open communication.[21:32] Balancing guidance with freedom, I trust my team to learn from mistakes and grow together.[24:30] Letting go of micromanagement and sharing the journey helped create a strong, unified team for Chris.[26:57] Leaders need to delegate and share goals with their team to inspire accountability and a sense of purpose.[29:16] Chris discusses how board meetings aren't glamorous or secretive; they're ordinary, strategic sessions that can inform team growth.[32:25] Leadership isn't glamorous; it's challenging and sometimes lonely, but connecting with others can help inspire growth.Resources:The Accidental Leader - Websiteyournarketing.cobo@yourmarketingco.comBo McDonald on LinkedInChristopher Lorence on LinkedInThe Accidental Leader - “Growing into your leadership role with guest Christie Smith”Darren Walker on LinkedIn

Join me for episode 28 of The Accidental Leader in which I have an insightful conversation with Christie Smith, CEO of Acclaim Federal Credit Union in Greensboro, North Carolina! Christie shares her remarkable leadership journey over the past ten months, offering a raw and honest look into the unexpected challenges which she faced transitioning into her CEO role.When Christie became CEO, she thought she was prepared, having been part of the succession plan for eight years, but she quickly realized the reality of leadership when she found herself dealing with day-to-day challenges, like fixing leaks, and understanding that she couldn't tackle everything alone. It took her a few months to grasp the significance of relying on her team, a truly humbling and valuable lesson in leadership.Throughout our discussion, Christie candidly discusses the delicate balance between having a vision and working with a team whose approaches may differ from her own. She's learned the importance of listening, a skill that did not come naturally to her as an extrovert yet one which she now understands is vital to leading effectively.We also dive into the struggles and growth associated with accountability and setting expectations, and Christie reflects on her journey through burnout and the critical shift from doing everything herself to trusting and delegating tasks to her team.As Christie shares her plans for Acclaim, she emphasizes the power of trust, accountability, and setting clear expectations for the future. Her reflections on defining excellence vs. perfection are especially thought-provoking, revealing her commitment to supporting her team's growth.Tune in for honesty, reflection, and insights into the complexities of leadership and the journey of personal growth. Christie's story is not only a lesson for aspiring leaders but also an inspiring tale of commitment to making a positive impact on her credit union and its members!Time Stamps:[2:51] Christie shares how she wasn't fully prepared for the CEO role and needed her team.[5:55] I acknowledge being task-oriented and sometimes overlooking the need for teamwork.[6:36] Hear how Christie learned to listen to her team, finding that they often have better ideas.[8:53] Burnout taught Christie to trust and delegate to her team for better outcomes.[10:41] I reveal how trust and setting clear expectations helped me see team success beyond just my own methods.[12:05] Christie believes in failing forward to encourage progress and learning despite setbacks.[14:15] Trust and accountability are essential goals for Christie's team's success by 2025.[16:35] Christie emphasizes the need for excellence and accountability in the credit union's work.[18:55] I touch upon how, inspired by flat leadership, my team now self-leads and is held accountable.[21:14] Defining "quality" helped unify my team, improving standards and encouraging excellence.[22:16] Christie distinguishes between perfection and excellence, supporting personal career choices.[25:03] Learning from mistakes, Christie aims to be a confident yet balanced leader.[28:30] We learn that Christie would prioritize setting boundaries if transitioning to CEO again.[30:49] Effective communication helps Christie manage team changes and foster growth.[33:47] Christie believes that trust and clear communication are necessary for member relationships.[35:37] Christie learned valuable leadership lessons from both difficult and good leaders.[37:41] Accepting failure as part of growth is vital for leadership success.Resources:The Accidental Leader - Websiteyournarketing.cobo@yourmarketingco.comBo McDonald on LinkedInChristie Smith on LinkedInAcclaim Federal Credit Union on LinkedInAcclaim Federal Credit Union - WebsiteRobert M. Pirsig - Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry into Values

Welcome, everyone, to another episode of The Accidental Leader! I, your host Bo, am excited to share my conversation with Frank Allgood, our VP of Brand Experience at YMC, as we dive into the intriguing world of flat leadership!Just days after emerging from a ten-day power outage caused by Hurricane Helene, I truly felt so ready to discuss how modern comfort can sometimes stifle our growth, having recently picked up The Comfort Crisis which turned out to be the perfect backdrop for our discussion!Listen in as Frank reflects on his own leadership journey, stressing that leadership is not limited to those in formal positions. He shares his early experiences in journalism and how he gradually embraced various roles in the advertising world, and we explore the challenges that he faced such as the tough decisions that every leader must make like letting go of team members when necessary. Frank's insights reveal how he learned from both the leaders who inspired him and those whose flaws taught him valuable lessons.Frank and I also dive into the implementation of flat leadership at YMC, an ongoing journey aimed at empowering team members to self-manage while fostering collaboration and innovation! Tune in as Frank discusses how creating a culture that encourages open dialogue and experimentation has transformed our team dynamics, and expect to hear about the significance of understanding one's purpose within an organization and how we can all become better leaders in our own right!Please join me as Frank and I uncover the nuances of leadership, the importance of accountability, and the power of fostering a culture where everyone can thrive!Time Stamps:[3:09] Frank shares how he has consistently embraced leadership roles, growing businesses and gaining diverse experiences in advertising.[5:55] At YMC, Frank adapted to collaborative leadership, now leading brand discussions and training as VP.[8:48] Frank's focus is now on teaching, coaching, and fostering independent problem-solving and critical thinking.[12:44] Letting someone go was tough for Frank, but it taught him to act decisively in leadership.[15:12] Frank believes that past experiences shaped him, acknowledging human flaws while recognizing others' growth and success.[17:30] Young leaders should break free from flawed patterns learned from imperfect role models.[19:10] Frank shares how he learned to focus on true priorities in leadership from contrasting experiences with past leaders.[22:55] YMC's flat leadership highlights growth and empowerment, shifting focus from tasks to personal development![25:40] Frank believes in explaining the "why" to promote self-management and understanding in flat leadership.[28:00] Hear why Frank advocates for questioning ineffective traditions.[31:36] Hear how my five-year journey to flat leadership fosters passion and initiative, despite ongoing challenges.[33:24] Frank emphasizes credit union uniqueness and urges employees to understand their purpose for motivation.[36:45] Frank values creativity and experimentation and encourages employees to think beyond just traditional constraints.[39:23] Collaboration and feedback are important to avoid confusion and maintain flat leadership at YMC.[42:23] Frank provides training and resources to enhance productivity and leadership in credit unions.[45:54] Discover how to contact Frank!Resources:The Accidental Leader - Websiteyournarketing.cobo@yourmarketingco.comfrank@yourmarketingco.comBo McDonald on LinkedInMichael Easter - The Comfort Crisis: Embrace Discomfort to Reclaim Your Wild, Happy, Healthy Self

I am back after the summer break and am discussing a tough but important topic. I reflect in this episode on the struggles that I have faced as an “accidental leader,” especially over this past summer. Leadership isn't something I was trained for, and, like many, I have had to figure it out as I go.Early in my career, I followed the example of leaders before me, and to be honest, I wasn't great at it. I was task-oriented, lacked empathy, and didn't treat people as the humans they are, and over time, I have realized that being too harsh does not work, but swinging to the opposite extreme and being too soft also has its own problems.This past summer, I really grappled with the balance between kindness and accountability, and I have been asking myself: where's the middle ground? How can I be a compassionate leader while still holding my team to a high standard?Listen in as I talk about the lessons that I have learned from mentors as well as a book - Get Honest or Die Lying by Charlamagne tha God - that helped me find some clarity. Charlamagne's story about holding his radio team accountable while still showing care resonated with me deeply and really made me realize that leadership isn't about being black or white or mean or nice. It is about setting expectations, providing support, and allowing your team to choose their path.Join me as I unpack these lessons and discuss what it truly means to lead with both heart and strength!Time Stamps:[1:06] I am discussing my struggles as an accidental leader seeking to learn from others.[4:13] My biggest challenge has been balancing kindness with accountability.[6:20] I reflect on the book Get Honest or Die Lying by Charlamagne Tha God.[9:25] Hear about how the book illustrates the consequences of Charlamagne's team's negligence in a live radio show.[11:26] A louder conversation got Charlamagne's team's attention without being overly harsh.[13:47] The book helped me realize that a loud conversation (but not yelling) is necessary to maintain quality and accountability.[15:51] An ideal team member should be passionate about their craft and mission.[17:49] Leaders must set clear expectations for team members, allowing them to choose their actions.[20:02] Hear how I have changed as a leader after reading Charlamagne's book.[22:15] I reveal what's coming up next in episode 27!Resources:The Accidental Leader - Websiteyournarketing.cobo@yourmarketingco.comBo McDonald on LinkedInCharlamagne Tha God - Get Honest or Die Lying: Why Small Talk Sucks

I had the immense pleasure of sitting down with Bill Partin for this episode. Although briefly retired, Bill is the CEO of Sharonview Federal Credit Union, and his journey from a brief retirement back into the game is a fascinating tale of leadership, resilience, and the power of continuous growth!Listen as Bill shares his story of starting an LLC and writing a book after retirement, a venture that reignited his passion for leadership in the credit union industry. We delve into his strategies at Sharonview, where he transformed the organization by focusing on cultivating leaders and fostering a people-first culture.Throughout the conversation, Bill emphasizes the importance of intentional leadership and continuous self-improvement, drawing from his vast experience spanning over 40 years in the field. He and I explore how he navigated cultural shifts and adapted to changing generations in the workforce, and we reflect on the lessons learned from both successes and setbacks.Join us as we uncover the principles that shaped Bill's leadership journey, his advice for aspiring leaders, and how you can connect with him to learn more. Whether you're leading a team, transitioning into leadership, or simply curious about what makes great leaders tick, this episode is packed with insights you won't want to miss!Time Stamps:[2:04] Bill reveals how in 2019, encouraged by his executive coach, he founded The Leadership Bet LLC to write a book about his CEO journey and relocation, hoping to inspire future leaders.[3:49] Upon joining Sharonview, Bill, drawing from Disney CU experiences, aimed to foster leadership growth and improve organizational culture.[6:33] Bill shares how, upon joining Sharonview, he identified a need for true leadership development.[9:11] Hear how Bill, inspired by the book The Ideal Team Player, emphasizes progress over perfection, implementing feedback processes to foster a dynamic culture.[10:53] Bill made it his mission to know everyone in the organization by name and story, creating a supportive, fun environment that went beyond just pizza on Fridays.[12:54] Bill explains how he refined core values to prioritize open feedback and work-life balance, prioritizing a people-first culture.[14:17] Learn how Bill prioritized learning from mistakes and employee engagement, evolving on the company's core values to support constant improvement.[17:14] Bill reflects on having, at age 29, grappled with leadership's deeper meaning beyond just managing, learning from inspiring and poor leadership examples early in his career.[20:04] In his early twenties at a commercial bank, Bill learned valuable lessons in leadership from a manager's mistakes, which influenced ongoing development.[22:25] Bill reflects on his time at Chisholm, having rushed a rollout without proper preparation and how that taught him the importance of explaining motivations behind change.[25:21] Bill's experience at Chisholm prompted a reset: engaging individually and developing ideas with clear communication and preparation.[27:10] Bill highlights the importance of vulnerability in leadership and willingness to admit to mistakes and show genuine commitment to correction.[30:56] Bill acknowledges the positive influence of his colleague's boss.[32:12] Hear how Bill established leadership standards from authors like Lencioni and Maxwell, facing challenges in recruiting external talent.[35:07] Bill strategically filled key roles like CFO, emphasizing the importance of leadership for organizational growth.[38:30] Navigating generational diversity and adapting to the challenges of the COVID-19 pandemic significantly shaped Sharonview's leadership approach.[40:47] Bill emphasizes how important it was for Sharonview to preserve their organizational culture while navigating challenges.[43:32] Hear how Bill's adherence to Jim Rohn's advice on self-improvement has shaped his leadership journey for over three decades.[45:14] How can listeners reach Bill online?Resources:Bill's LinkedIn ProfileSharonview Federal Credit UnionThe Leadership Bet LLCBill Partin - The Leadership Bet: Great Leadership Transforms LivesPatrick M. Lencioni - The Ideal Team Player: How to Recognize and Cultivate the Three Essential Virtues

I recently attended Jazzfest in New Orleans where I got to see The Rolling Stones, one of my favorite bands, and I wanted to spend some time on the podcast to talk about my experience as well as four important lessons that I learned from attending (actually five because I also have a bonus one to share)!Starting with the fifth bonus lesson, I reflect on the power and the importance of being a good human. This might sound simple enough, but it can be easy to forget sometimes especially when in the heat of a moment. I share an example of some people in the show who, despite being in one of the greatest cities in the world and seeing The Rolling Stones (one of the greatest rock bands of all time), were not behaving like good humans, something that I just couldn't understand.I also discuss the mantra “Buy the Ticket,” a phrase that I first heard in a job interview years ago that has stuck with me ever since. It is a reminder to seize opportunities and enjoy life, whether it's attending a concert, embarking on a new adventure, or simply making time for loved ones. After all, life is too short to let busyness and excuses hold us back.Another lesson that I took away from Jazzfest has to do with The Rolling Stones themselves and their incredible resilience. Despite setbacks and doubts, as well as Mick Jagger once having told himself that he would stop rocking at 33, they continue to rock the stage, proving that age is just a number and that limitations are often self-imposed. It's a powerful reminder to challenge the lies that we tell ourselves and others and to embrace our limitless potential. After all, whether you tell yourself that you can or that you can't, you're right either way.Let's also not forget about the importance of having fun! Between Cowboy Mouth's infectious energy to Jimmy Buffett's laid-back vibes, Jazzfest is ultimately a celebration of life, reminding us to loosen up and embrace the present. Be sure to stick around as I share some favorite lyrics from these artists!I hope that you will join me for this episode of The Accidental Leader as I spend some time reflecting on the whirlwind of experiences and emotions from Jazzfest 2024, and remember that, in the end, life is what happens when we're too busy taking it seriously. Let's live a little, laugh a lot, and make memories that last a lifetime!Time Stamps:[0:49] I am reflecting this week on my time at Jazzfest and the universal lessons that I took away from the experience.[2:04] I am sharing four (plus a bonus fifth) points that I took away from the festival.[4:36] I reflect on the community spirit of JazzFest, which is more than just a concert.[6:01] We often let others upset us in life, but it's ultimately our choice how we react.[8:09] Buy the ticket![10:37] Learn about the origin of the mantra “Buy the Ticket”![12:14] I highlight the persistence and longevity of The Rolling Stones, highlighting Mick Jagger's enduring presence as a rock star even in his eighties.[14:15] Don't believe lies, whether they come from yourself or others![17:19] I discuss the importance of reconnecting with fundamental values even in life's busyness, which was inspired by a Cowboy Mouth performance at Jazzfest.[19:40] Let go of fears, embrace spontaneity, and enjoy life's moments fully.[21:52] Take your work seriously, but don't take yourself too seriously.[24:16] I emphasize the importance of not taking life too seriously, urging you to find joy even in fear and uncertainty.Resources:The Accidental Leader - “Special Guest: Author and Speaker Ash Davis - Finding Joy In Our Journey”Ashley Davis - A Life Through Letters: An Aging Father's Legacy, a Son's Revelation, the Birth o a MovementJim Kwik - Limitless Expanded Edition: Upgrade Your Brain, Learn Anything Faster, and Unlock Your Exceptional Life

I am flying solo for this episode and am diving deep into a powerful email that hit my inbox. Join me as I unpack the wisdom it holds and its implications for leadership, culture, and tough conversations. As a leader wearing multiple hats, from president of a marketing company to serving on various boards, I often find myself navigating the delicate balance of nurturing a healthy culture while addressing challenging behaviors.I kick off by exploring a thought-provoking quote: "A healthy meadow contains weeds as well as flowers,” an analogy that acts as a mirror reflecting our leadership and organizational cultures. Throughout the episode, I share insights into how a leader's tolerance for underperformance shapes the culture and why tough conversations that involve letting employees go sometimes need to happen, even if they are uncomfortable.Drawing from personal experiences and lessons learned, I discuss the fear that often holds leaders back from taking action – the fear of losing clients, the fear of legal repercussions, or the fear of confrontation, but I also challenge listeners to shift their perspective and recognize that without necessary endings, both individuals and organizations remain stagnant and that leaders are doing a disservice not only to their companies but to the employee who isn't thriving but could thrive elsewhere. Not everyone is right for the job.This episode is ultimately a candid exploration of leadership challenges and the courage required to address them head-on, so whether you're grappling with a toxic culture or seeking guidance on tough conversations, tune in for actionable insights and inspiration to cultivate a flourishing organizational meadow, and remember - the journey to effective leadership is ongoing, filled with both weeds and flowers.Time Stamps:[0:25] In episode 23, I am diving into leadership insights inspired by a significant email.[3:09] Organizational culture hinges on the tolerance for negative behaviors.[6:02] I further reflect on the profound impact of tolerating toxic behavior, urging action to maintain organizational balance.[8:51] I address the fear of legal repercussions, emphasizing the need for perspective and HR guidance.[10:23] I advise prioritizing culture and gaining perspective to address coaching issues and fear of confrontation.[12:23] Hear an insightful quote from the book Necessary Endings by Dr. Henry Cloud.[15:21] Coach first; fire last![18:28] I share an anecdote involving an employee who prioritized heroics over success, leading to termination.[20:30] I close by discussing the importance of cultivating a healthy organizational culture, again likening it to a meadow with flowers.Resources:Henry Cloud - Necessary Endings: The Employees, Businesses, and Relationships That All of Us Have to Give Up in Order to Move Forward

I have really been looking forward to today's conversation for a while! I am so excited to have former “retired” CEO Nick Wodogaza on the show this week to talk all about the awesome responsibility of being a leader and what it entails. Nick shares his journey from "retirement" to a passionate commitment to mentoring the next generation of credit union leaders, and we delve into the unique perspective of a seasoned leader who came back to consult, bringing decades of experience to the evolving landscape of credit unions.Discover the essence of leadership through Nick's anecdotes, including his reflections on influential figures from his past and the pivotal role of effective leadership in fostering the growth of a credit union. From navigating challenges in a once-insolvent credit union to embracing technological shifts, Nick provides invaluable insights.Join me for an enlightening discussion on the responsibility of leaders, the art of guiding individuals to reach their potential, and the vital role of open-mindedness in facing the ever-changing demands of the financial industry.Time Stamps:[0:43] - Today's guest is Nick Wodogaza![2:17] - Why did Nick decide to “unretire”?[3:47] - Nick credits his fourth grade teacher as having been a positive influence on him.[6:15] - Nick walks us through his leadership journey progressing from staff to VP.[9:56] - I underscore the awesome responsibility of accidental leaders, emphasizing the impact on people's lives beyond managing tasks.[11:09] - Nick stresses the importance of avoiding the Peter principle within an organization and discusses the need for continuous development and support.[14:04] - How has Nick embraced change during his career?[17:29] - I discuss Pat West and how she embraced change for members' benefit.[18:50] - Nick discusses the importance of being open to change, technology innovations shape growth and success.[21:09] - Leaders must be willing to make open-minded decisions for member and staff success amid evolving technology.[24:11] - Nick shares how he faced a daunting challenge turning around an insolvent credit union, leading its recovery.[27:02] - Nick takes pride in leading staff to recognize and solve problems, shaping his growth as a leader.[28:02] - I acknowledge the value of quiet leaders like Nick who lead with calmness, communication, and meaningful actions.[29:55] - Leaders should adopt a “servant heart” and embrace the philosophy of "loving all, serve all" for a better world.

I am so thrilled to be sharing today's episode with you! I am joined today by special guest Dennis McIntee, CEO of the Leadership Development Group, author of Drama-Free Teams, and host of the Drama Free Living podcast. Dennis shares insights into creating self-directed, self-motivated work teams that yield great results. Our conversation delves into the challenges of leadership, overcoming overwhelm, and the power of understanding the stories we tell ourselves.Listen in as Dennis and I explore the concept that feelings are just information, not facts. As leaders, we must refrain from coaching feelings directly but instead focus on coaching the underlying thoughts. Dennis encourages us to ask, "What are you thinking?" when team members express frustration or other emotions. By understanding the thoughts behind the feelings, leaders can guide their teams effectively, shaping positive narratives and fostering a drama-free workplace.Join Dennis and me as we navigate the world of leadership, sharing experiences and discovering valuable insights on creating thriving, drama-free teams. If you're ready to enhance your leadership skills and explore the power of self-directed teams, dive into this episode with Dennis McIntee!Time Stamps:[1:10] - Today's guest is Dennis McIntee!​​[3:14] - Shifting from counseling to business, Dennis seeks adult-to-adult conversations for self-directed, efficient work teams.[5:39] - Reflecting on a parenting class, Dennis emphasizes personal growth as a foundation for effective leadership.[8:56] - Dennis advocates for leaders to clarify results, use tools like intent documents, and empower teams.[11:45] - Dennis emphasizes the need for diverse facilitators to avoid shutdowns, encourages team-led meetings, and values individual strengths.[14:00] - Dennis groups busy, overwhelm, and stress together, viewing feelings as information influenced by thoughts.[17:07] - Dennis advises leaders against coaching feelings directly, instead focusing on understanding thoughts and fostering problem-solving discussions.[19:02] - Feelings convey stories, often fabricated; wisdom lies in deciphering their narrative. Assigning meaning is subjective.[21:43] - Dennis explores the concept that everything is made up; leaders shape meaning through storytelling.[23:20] - Dennis reiterates viewing feelings as information and coaching thoughts instead of trying to directly coach feelings.Resources Mentioned:Leadership Development Group - WebsiteDennis' BooksDennis' PodcastZen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry Into Values by Robert M Pirsig

Welcome back to your favorite leadership podcast with your host, Bo McDonald! This episode is dedicated to the stutters of life, our self-imposed limitations and traumas that hold us in a vice - a tale intertwined with my journey and that of the unforgettable Scatman John!Scatman John's story's connection with my own reveals similarities and gems about embracing our authentic selves and overcoming seemingly insurmountable barriers, so, join me as we dig into the grip of past traumas, the fear of vulnerability and how these affect the leadership path!From my childhood classrooms to Scatman's John stuttering journey, I hope to illuminate lessons about overcoming what we think is holding us back and turning it into a catapult for extraordinary success. Get ready to redefine your setbacks into setups and awaken the dormant possibilities in your life. Here's to becoming better, not just as leaders but as individuals as a whole. Spoiler alert - every "stutter" has a silver lining!Time Stamps:[1:24] - I am reflecting on a song quote and how Ash Davis's book transformed my life.[2:43] - I recollect childhood lessons about self-limitations and overcoming past traumas.[4:08] - I discuss overcoming my public speaking trauma and embracing my leadership positions.[6:14] - I spun Scatman John's upbeat hit at the skating rink, a song which made him rise from a struggling jazz musician to a global sensation.[9:12] - Scatman John overcame a severe childhood stutter, taking a huge musical risk blending jazz, scat, dance, and hip hop, creating a new genre that resonated globally.[11:13] - Scatman John, overcoming substance abuse and childhood questions, found clarity, realizing that his identity extended beyond his stutter.[12:34] - I encourage you to redefine yourself beyond perceived limitations.[14:47] - Scatman John transcended his stutter, receiving applause for his unique sound, proving that he was more than his perceived limitations.[17:02] - In a keynote speech, Scatman John revealed that success didn't “fix” him; he just embraced being different.[19:20] - I encourage reflecting on your own "stutters," reframing them as potential talents; past trauma shouldn't hinder progress.[22:12] - It's very important that leaders allow themselves to be vulnerable.Resources Mentioned:The Accidental Leader, Episode 3 - “Special Guest: Author and Speaker Ash Davis - Finding Joy In Our Journey”A Life Through Letters: An Aging Father's Legacy, a Son's Revelation, the Birth of a Movement by Ashley DavisScatman John - “Scatman”Scatman John's Keynote Speech at the NSP Convention

Welcome back to the show, everyone. Join me in this episode as I dive into the intricacies of leading through change and fear. Joined by first-time podcast guest Denise Hackendahl, Executive Director for Inspire Culture, we unpack the challenges leaders face while trying to navigate comfort zones and push into new territories.Denise also shares insightful thoughts on her experiences in managing organizational culture, nurturing new leaders, and emphasizing HR's critical role in shaping a successful working environment.Broaden your understanding on the significance of brushing up on your HR 101 knowledge to ensure your leadership remains well-rounded and effective! Get set to uncover the secret ingredient in fostering a supportive environment, promoting professional growth, and masterfully balancing the challenge of leadership with personal life!Tune in to this episode to hear about inspiring leadership legacies and how introspection can reboot your leadership journey, even amid chaos. You won't want to miss this!Time Stamps:[0:51] - We talked a lot about fear back in episode 8.[3:58] - Denise points out how promotions to leadership entail a complex mix of emotions; misconceptions hinder smooth transitions.[6:18] - Recognizing diverse talents, role clarity, and understanding individual capabilities are crucial for effective leadership.[9:20] - Denise emphasizes the importance of realistic expectations and comprehensive development plans following promotion.[11:56] - Leadership transitions, like those at Apple, Disney, and T-Mobile, often face challenges in maintaining authenticity and navigating cultural shifts.[13:03] - Embracing authenticity in assuming significant roles involves acknowledging fear, diverse emotions, and necessary change for growth.[14:10] - I point out how new leaders often imitate iconic figures like Steve Jobs, facing failure without genuine understanding.[15:36] - Denise has observed a shift toward shaping organizational culture, emphasizing understanding over formalities and compliance.[17:37] - Promoting mid-level managers to the next level requires addressing challenges in understanding team dynamics and managerial skills.[19:57] - I reflect on a strategic planning session, prioritizing basic infrastructure.[21:55] - Buying a house with a great kitchen but neglecting basics mirrors leadership mistakes. Prioritizing fundamentals, like H.R. 101, reduces chaos and ensures success.[23:35] - Denise argues that starting with a clear baseline enhances efficiency, instilling confidence in leaders.[25:27] - In a crisis, introspection, acknowledging challenges, and methodical change ensure progress for leaders.[27:24] - Acknowledging setbacks isn't failure, Denise points out; it's transparent self-awareness.[28:59] - Effective leadership, exemplified by humility and fair treatment, fosters professional growth and confidence.[31:24] - I started this podcast to emphasize the profound impact of a leader's actions on others.[33:36] - Leading for four years now, Denise finds fulfillment in building partnerships and supporting clients nationwide.[35:45] - In summary, as an accidental leader matures, the focus shifts from changing the world to self-improvement; acknowledging this fosters better leadership.[37:02] - How can Denise be contacted?Contact Denise:Inspire Culture First - WebsiteDenise's LinkedIn Page

Listen today as I take you on a journey back to episode 9, going into a topic that resonates with all of us: the fear of change.Drawing from personal experiences and a powerful book I recently discovered, I explore the resistance many of us have towards change, even when it's inevitable. I share stories of individuals and organizations attempting to recreate past successes, clinging to familiar waters, only to find that change is constant.Using a river analogy, I illustrate how life, like a flowing stream, is perpetually changing, and we must learn to embrace it. I reflect on my own challenges, including trying to revive the magic of my early radio days and resisting changes in my career. I also discuss the concept of "rugged flexibility," the ability to accept change and find opportunities within it.Join me as we confront our fears, ask the right questions, and embark on a journey toward a brighter, more adaptable future.Time Stamps:[1:41] - We are revisiting a topic discussed in episode 9 today.[3:43] - No one ever steps into the same river twice.[4:32] - Change is inevitable, and we can either accept it or deny it.[5:43] - I reflect on examples of how I have had to embrace change within my organization.[6:56] - I offer an example of football coach Sean Payton trying to recreate past success.[8:52] - Hear another example of how attempts to revive past radio success faltered due to change.[11:00] - Think back on a time in your life when you feared change and tried to recreate past success.[13:33] - I give another example from my time in radio.[14:44] - I am currently reading Master of Change by Brad Stulberg.[16:18] - I explain the concept of rugged flexibility.[17:47] - Hear an example of a CEO whose CU was failing because he refused to embrace change.[19:13] - Disorder events, such as the COVID-19 pandemic, disrupt normalcy.[21:47] - Resisting change can be harmful to your health, amplifying stress.Books:Master of Change: How to Excel When Everything Is Changing - Including You by Brad Stulberg

A lot of times, founders adopt a mindsight of "my way or the highway". But one of the best things they can do is get out of the way.Randy Smith, the Co-Founder of CUInsight, joins me to have a candid conversation about how he went from a brokerage to owning his own marketing company. Randy shares how he was able to get out of his employees' way and let them succeed outside of his vision for success. Time Stamps:[2:15] - Randy discusses how CUInsight started as a side hustle.[6:25] - Not many people like change, but Randy is one of them.[9:45] - There was a lot of fear for Randy when he changed his career.[13:14] - Randy had no idea what to expect from CUInsight.[15:36] - Leaders in Randy's past weren't the type of leader he wanted to be.[18:19] - Getting out of the way of your team's progress is essential to a successful business.[22:41] - Empowering your employees is a sign of success as a leader.[24:44] - There are no bad data points.[27:00] - Active listening is where Randy sees the most improvement.[29:30] - Entrepreneurs hire six months too late.[32:15] - If you're not growing, you're dying.[34:40] - Urgent and important aren't synonyms.[36:50] - We create the space and time that we want.Books:Permission to Screw Up: How I Learned to Lead by Doing (Almost) Everything Wrong

"You're not a perfectionist. You're insecure about how your best effort will be received." After a summer break, Bo is running solo to share one of his recent leadership struggles as an accidental leader. These struggles almost caused the end of the Accidental Leader Podcast. Listen in for a transparent and vulnerable conversation where Bo discusses his struggles with stoicism and relearning some things he's spent a lot of time learning.Time Stamps:[2:00] - Bo shares a quote that he needed to hear.[6:11] - What do Bo's current and former employees say about the podcast?[8:06] - Stoicism is something Bo's been struggling with.[11:45] - Downtown Liberty, South Carolina, has become a passion project.[16:06] - Learning to accept what's out of our control is important.[19:20] - You will lose your peace and happiness if you try to control things out of your control.[22:23] - Bo tells a story about when his flight was delayed.[25:00] - The only things we have control over are the goals we set ourselves.

Everyone tells themselves lies. These lies hold us back. Having the strength to push forward with truths is essential.Today, I'm joined by Amber Harsin. Amber is the CEO at Prodigy. We have an eye-opening discussion about the lies Amber had told herself throughout her journey to leadership. She talks about how her attitude shifted from just wanting a seat at the table while not being the head of the table to being a CEO of a company. Time Stamps:[2:40] - Amber introduces herself.[7:50] - When she was in High School, Amber never imagined she'd become a CEO.[9:40] - Lean into the fear and try it.[12:00] - Trust the people you know love you about the lies you tell yourself.[15:40] - There's more to being a leader than having a degree.[19:00] - Karen recounts how she became a leader.[23:13] - When you're a leader, you have to be able to take risks.[29:00] - Don't avoid risk. Manage it.[31:30] - Karen remembers a specific polarizing leader who helped shape her as a leader.[37:09] - Finding a balance between work and life is essential

Pushing yourself outside your comfort zone is essential to being a leader.Today, I get over my fear and step outside my comfort zone to interview Evan Leaphart, someone I don't know very well. Evan is the Founder of Kiddie Kredit and the Co-Founder of the Black Men Talk Tech Conference. We have a [something] discussion about Evan's entrepreneurial journey filled with ups and downs. Time Stamps:[3:08] - Evan introduces himself.[5:30] - Inspired by his own "financial ruin," Evan created Kiddie Kredit.[7:12] - Learning from people smarter than you and always taking feedback is the key to success.[9:20] - Fear is always going to be there.[12:18] - There's a lot of value in the middle.[13:20] - Evan discusses the impact his father had on him.[16:56] - Evan's Mount Rushmore of leaders.[21:16] - People who bridge gaps are who Evan admires the most. [24:42] - No one's perfect.[26:20] - Staying true to his vision is how Evan has been successful. [30:00] - Evan gives his advice to fellow accidental leaders.Find Evan Online:Evan on LinkedInKiddie Kredit

A leader's root system is what makes them the leader they are today. Our root systems tell us what to do, how to react, communicate, and think about things. It's not a choice. It's how we were taught.Today, I'm flying solo to discuss in-depth what a root system is. I get vulnerable and share a specific instance in my life that played a major role in negatively shaping the way I saw myself. And I detail what it took to stop seeing myself in that negative light.Time Stamps:[1:00] - Bo is flying solo for this episode.[2:30] - Your root system is like wine.[6:00] - Bo talks about a moment that shaped who he is.[9:12] - Sometimes, you need to get out of your head.[11:23] - Bo wonders what it would be like if he hadn't experienced a specific trauma.[14:14] - Our root system tells us what to do.[15:20] - What issue do you wish you could be better at?

When new leaders come into an organization, it can cause a lot of fear. It's important to keep your head down and worry about what you can control.Today, I'm joined by Bob Quick, a Director of Radio Partnerships & Traffic at Motor Radio Network. Bob has been through numerous acquisitions in various companies he's worked for. He shares what he did to get through each one and the leaders that helped him. We also share a few laughs as Bob recounts his career path and our shared time in radio.   Time Stamps:[2:26] - Bo recounts the importance of thanking those who impacted your life.[4:20] - Bob introduces himself.[7:00] - The Motor Radio Network combines two of Bob's passions.[9:30] - The sitcom, WKRP in Cincinnati, inspired Bob to get into radio.[12:00] - Bob relates how he ended up in North Carolina working at his dream job.[15:00] - Having a good support system is everything.[17:05] - Bo and Bob share a laugh about their old boss.[19:08] - When an organization is sold, it can cause a lot of fear.[21:13] - Getting a job with someone else creates a bond.[24:44] - Being empathetic is essential to being a leader.[27:09] - For leaders, sometimes it's best to give employees the tools they need to succeed and get out of the way.[31:20] - Few people say they want to grow up to lead people.[35:15] - Not everyone who's good at their job is the right person for a leadership position.[37:00] - Bob recalls what it was like leading Bo.[40:13] - Bo remembers when his ego was out of control.[43:10] - Finding a mentor is the key to being a better leader.LinksBob on LinkedIn

Fear of change is a part of being an accidental leader. And if we're not faced with change and fear, there's probably a problem.Today, I'm joined by James Robert Lay, CEO of Digital Growth Institute. We have a free flow conversation about the fear of change, letting go of bad habits to grow and how to trust ourselves. We talk about the importance of executive coaching, therapy and putting in a lot of uncomfortable work to become better leaders and people.    Time Stamps:[2:30] - Bo introduces James.[3:30] - James talks about going from a punk rock band to a CEO.[7:02] - The fear of the unknown precedes the fear of change.[10:13] - You have to lead yourself before you can lead others.[14:04] - As a leader, you need to be able to trust yourself before you can trust others.[18:38] - Working with new coaches helps give different perspectives.[21:30] - James defines what perspective means to him.[25:00] - When it comes to coaching a lot of people get sticker shock.[28:20] - Making pros and cons lists helps put you into perspective.[30:35] - You have to let go of things to grow.[33:43] - Being non-committal is a recipe for failure.[37:14] - It's important to be comfortable being uncomfortable.[40:09] - Eight years before writing his first books, James laughed at the idea of writing a book.[42:28] - Accidental leaders need to have faith in themselves.Links:James on LinkedInjrwlay@digitalgrowth.comBooksBanking on Digital Growth: The Strategic Marketing Manifesto to Transform Financial Brands by James Robert Lay The Obstacle Is the Way: The Timeless Art of Turning Trials into Triumph by Ryan Holiday 

To be a great leader, you first have to lead yourself. You have to focus on yourself as a person and understand your traumas and your past.Today, I'm joined by Mary Jane Walsh, life coach and business coach from New Orleans. We have a candid conversation about coaching sessions with Mary Jane. We detail how Mary Jane was able to dig deep and ask thought provoking questions to help me grow as a leader but more importantly, a person.  Time Stamps:[1:45] - Bo introduces Mary Jane[2:30] - When coaching someone Mary Jane treats her clients the way she'd like to be supported.[4:00] - Mary Jane pushed her clients to ask themselves the hard questions.[5:45] - Her clients always worry that Mary Jane isn't an expert in their industry.[6:30] - Coaching isn't for people who need it, it's for people who want it.[9:45] - Bo gets candid about his time working with Mary Jane.[15:00] - Coaching with Mary Jane has given Bo perspective of his past.[19:15] - Mary Jane discusses some of Bo's triggers.[23:16] - Coaching is about fixing the problem, not the symptom.[27:40] - Bo and Mary Jane discuss how she works with his team of leaders.[30:30] - Mary Jane describes how she went from a chef to a life coach.[35:15] - Athletes are some of Mary Jane's clients.[40:00] - We often tell ourselves lies so we can stay complacent.Links:Mary Jane's Website

"No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man." This quote from Heraclitus illustrates that in both life and business you can't go back. You can only go forward.Today, I discuss my recent trip to my hometown of Binghamton, New York and how it reminded me of that Heraclitus quote. It made me consider a series of "what-ifs" and helped me gain clarity about the river I stand in today.Time Stamps:[2:18] - Bo tells a story that illustrates how in business you can't go back.[3:30] -  Remembering his first radio job, Bo tells stories about some former listeners.[6:00] - During a recent trip back to his hometown of Binghamton, New York Bo noticed how much things have changed.[9:30] - His trip back home made Bo consider a series of "what-ifs".[12:00] - Where would Bo's team be had he never left Binghamton?[14:30] - Bo recites Garth Brooks lyrics.[16:30] - Sometimes memories are better left as memories.

"Can't never did a thing." Every time we use the word "can't" we've already ruled out the possibilities of what we can and can't do. When we say "can't" we've already failed.Today, CEO of Lion's Share Credit Union, James McBride joins me to discuss how his diagnosis of cerebral palsy set him up for a life of not letting other people's perceived limitations become actual limitations. He's never let anyone tell him what he can't do and today, he instills that mindset into the employees he leads. Time Stamps:[1:00] - Bo recounts a story about how his kindergarten teacher fostered his creativity.[4:00] - James doesn't let other people's perceived limitations affect how he lives his life.[8:45] - Being a rebel is how James has accomplished what he has. When he was told he couldn't do something he set out to prove them wrong.[10:10] - Perfection isn't what's important, it's the pursuit of perfection that matters.[12:05] - No one but you can decide what you can't do.[15:05] - When James joined Lion's Share, the first thing he wanted to do was meet each employee and understand them as individuals.[18:30] - As a new CEO, building trust is the key.[22:00] - Making tough discussions is the unfortunate job of all leaders.[24:30] - It's challenging to know when it's the right time to give bad news.[28:00] - Once a tough discussion is made, it's like a sigh of relief.[30:02] - Invest in people while they're with you, not because they're with you.[33:00] - James shouts out his leadership mentor.[37:40] - Making your employees make their own decisions helps them grow.[40:00] - "Can't" is oftentimes just a different way of saying you don't want to do the work.Links:Be 2.0 by Jim Collins and William Lazier

Leadership and mental health isn't talked about often. It's uncomfortable and people often don't want to acknowledge it out of fear of it being perceived as a weakness. But when a leader is struggling with their mental health it's not a weakness.Today, author Paul Gaumer joins me to discuss his experience struggling with his mental health. Paul is the COO of an Illinois Credit Union. Today, he describes how he pushes through when his Bipolar disorder is causing him to experience severe self-doubt.Time Stamps:[2:46] - Bo tells a little known story about Abraham Lincoln's mental health.[7:00] - Paul introduces himself and recounts his past experiences with his mental health.[10:05] - When Paul was at his lowest, he started going to church and thought everything was going to be better.[11:50] - Every morning Paul wakes up with self doubt.[14:30] - Looking back at everything his credit union had accomplished helps Paul quiet his self doubt. [15:40] - Bo has two Johns who shaped his leadership and Paul has two Toms.[18:33] - Paul tells a story about how he met his first Tom.[21:40] - A good leader always reassures their employees that they deserve to have the job they have.[22:30] - We hear about Paul's second Tom.[25:20] - Leading by intimidation and deception is a recipe for unhappy employees. [28:00] - Taking the time to get to know your employees is essential.[32:43] - To be a good leader, you have to be willing to listen.[37:31] - Paul recounts a story highlighting how to help someone struggling with their mental health.[40:00] - The days of heavy handed leadership are gone.Links:Walk with the Light in the Shadows by Paul Gaumer

No leader's path is the same. But all leaders have certain things in common, authenticity, kindness and honesty just to name a few.Today, Jennifer Pham joins me to discuss her journey from a junior graphic designer to a Vice President at Your Marketing Company. Going from a team member who barely spoke in meetings to a true leader, Jennifer is the true definition of an accidental leader.Time Stamps:[2:30] - Jennifer Pham joins Bo and explains how she joined Your Marketing Company.[7:20] - She never really wanted to become a leader, Jennifer describes how she learned what a true leader is.[9:00] - Good communication is the key to being an effective leader.[11:30] - Understanding yourself is the key to being a good leader.[14:00] - People really remember when they've worked with a bad leader.[17:08] - The hardest part about being a leader for Jennifer, is when she has to fire people.[19:36] - Letting people go from a company never gets easier.[22:05] - When you're a leader, especially an accidental leader, it's progress over perfection.[25:00] - A lot of times, leaders talk themselves out of things. It's important to trust your gut.[27:55] - If your people succeed then you succeed.Links:Ego is the Enemy by Ryan HolidayThe Gift of Fear by Gavin de Baker

Money is a resource we focus a lot on as leaders and profit isn't something we should be ashamed of. But sometimes profits aren't everything, we also have to take care of ourselves physically, emotionally and mentally.Today, author and entrepreneur, Jason Vitug joins me to discuss his career path from cleaning airport toilets to being a high level VP at a credit union to becoming an accidental entrepreneur. He talks about the moment he knew he needed to set more boundaries around his work life for a healthier life.Time Stamps:[2:00] - If you're making a lot of money, but don't have time to enjoy it. Why bother?[5:28] - Jason introduces himself and recounts his journey as an accidental entrepreneur.[7:20] - The entrepreneur life isn't for everyone and there isn't anything wrong with a traditional 9 to 5 job.[9:50] - No one can tell you when or if you'll be satisfied with your work life. [11:00] - When Jason started getting physically ill he knew it was time to re-evaluate his work life.[14:30] - It's really important for us to set realistic boundaries at work.[18:00] - When setting boundaries, don't be too rigid.[20:40] - You don't want to set a financial goal that takes you away from the way you want to live your life.[24:30] - When we're present in the moment, that's when we can build the life we truly want.[27:14] - Gears that grind too long get worn down and thrown out. It's the same with people.[32:09] - Everyone is very unique. No one's journey is the same.[33:15] - Passion is a combination of your time and resources.[36:00] - You make much better choices when you want to do something instead of when you have to do something. [40:00] - Money can buy happiness when we spend it on wellness.Links:Happy Money Happy Life: A Multidimensional Approach to Health, Wealth, and Freedom by Jason VitugYou Only Live Once: The Roadmap to Financial Wellness and a Purposeful LifeJason on TwitterJason on Instagram

Leaders can't lead a team if they can't lead themselves. Today I want to discuss a tough question. Leadership coach Brian Rollo joins me to discuss how leaders can't be great until they've learned how to lead themselves. To do that leaders should use the ACT Framework. Accountability, Communication and Trust. Once you've mastered this with yourself, you're then able to turn that framework to your team and be a great leader.Time Stamps:[1:15] - Instead of asking "how can I make my team better?" Ask yourself "how can I lead myself better?"[3:40] - We meet Brian Rollo with a quick introduction of himself.[4:55] - Brian discusses the two types of people that typically don't work out for any given organization.[6:00] - Influential leadership is leading yourself and being self aware.[7:30] - For successful leadership follow the Accountability, Communication and Trust Framework.[9:00] - It's easy to hold other people accountable but it's hard to do the same for ourselves. [11:27] - Brian gives us some tips for how to know you're successfully leading yourself.[15:11] - When people observe a CEO they get non-verbal messages on how to act.[17:10] - Influence is the best way of leading a company. Not demanding things out of employees.[19:10] - Leaders have to continue to invest time in learning how to lead themselves.[21:30] - Team training is like a shower, it isn't a one and done thing. You have to make training a habit.[24:00] - Being able to confide in other leaders is invaluable.[25:00] - As a leader, you can't just flip a switch to get your team to trust you. You have to gain trust person by person.[28:00] - Everyone has their own root system that influences their judgment of leaders.[30:15] - The consequences of not leading yourself will show in the success of your organization.[33:30] - Brian tells the most tragic story of a leadership fail he's encountered.[36:20] - We hear about a time when Brian made a mistake as a leader and lost a valuable employee and work friend.[39:00] - Poor leadership has a trickle down effect.[41:50] - Brian recounts a positive success story he's encountered.Links:Brian Rollo Consulting CompanyEgo Is the Enemy by Ryan HolidayDiSC Profile

Time. It's simple but it is so important. Leaders have the unique ability to control their time. That's why it's so important to replace 'I didn't have time' to 'that project wasn't a priority'. Then sit back and reflect on what else you prioritized instead. Then reflect on whether you truly have your priorities straight.On today's episode, author and speaker Ash Davis joins host Bo McDonald. With failing health, Ash's father decided he wanted to write letters to various people who played important roles in his life. Those letters were eventually turned into Ash's book, A Life Through Letters. Today, Ash discusses the importance of time and finding out what priorities are important.Time Stamps:[1:25] - Leaders have the unique ability to be able to control their time.[2:00] - Instead of saying "I didn't have time" say "that wasn't a priority" then reflect on what you did instead.[5:20] - Ash introduces himself and tells us about his professional background.[7:00] - Bo recounts how he and Ash met.[8:00] - With his health failing and wanting to recap his life, Ash's father wrote letters to various people in his life.[14:00] - Young leaders should find people who speak the truth even when they don't want to hear it.[14:20] - The first letter in Ash's book, A Life Through Letters, is to a man nicknamed Stone Man.[17:00] - A lesson about empathy can be learned from the letter to the Stone Man.[19:30] - As we all age our perspective of each other changes.[21:31] - Ash reflects on which letter from his book is his favorite.[25:00] - Many readers have told Ash that his book has inspired them to write letters to people in their life.[28:15] - In a digital world, writing a letter can seem so permanent and the fear of making a mistake can scare people into not starting. [32:42] Ash wraps up with how to find him online.Links:A Life Through Letters by Ash DavisAsh's website: A Life Through LettersAsh's Ted Talk: The Power of Written Communication in a Technological Age

Being passionately curious and taking risks are just two of the key lessons that John Davison, Program Director at WHWK taught me when I was a teenager. I've carried those lessons and so many more with me throughout my entire journey as an accidental leader.Today, I wish I could have John on the show with me but due to scheduling conflicts, it's not possible. Instead, you'll hear me share some of the lessons John taught me about being a leader.Time Stamps:[1:00] - Change of plans. Due to a scheduling conflict John Davison won't be joining Bo today.[4:45] - Why did John hire 15-year-old Bo and put him on the air?[7:09] - Bo recounts how John took time out of his day to teach him the skills he needed.[8:00] - We hear about all the people that John mentored over the years.[11:08] - You can come up with the best business plan ever, but it takes people to build it.[13:50] - It's important to hire other leaders who are people people.[14:30] - Listening to your team members and keeping an open mind about honest feedback makes you a better leader.[17:15] - When a team member brings you a problem. Ask them to come with a solution.[18:02] - The importance of being passionately curious.[21:15] - Bo remembers a time when John was looking towards the future and took a risk to stand out.[24:43] - John was a quiet leader – the anti-Steve Jobs.[26:10] - Take risks and invest time on people you see high potential in.Links:DiSC ProfileChris Locurto

What in the world is an accidental leader? In short, it's anyone who finds themselves in a leadership role when they never had plans of being a leader. They never expected or maybe never even wanted to become a leader. And now, they have to make the best of it. When people are thrust into these positions they've had no formal leadership training so they have to rely on their root systems.Root systems are developed over time. It's developed by every leader you've worked or lived under. Your parents, grandparents, teachers, coaches, managers and bosses. Whether you realize it or not, they shape the way you approach being a leader. For the good and the bad.Being an accidental leader is all about adapting and learning from your mistakes. When a certain approach isn't working all you have to do is dig into your root system and try a new approach. Time Stamps:[00:45] - We learn what to expect from The Accidental Leader Podcast.[2:35] - What in the world is an accidental leader?[3:26] - Bo explains what a leader's root system is.[5:14] - We hear about Bo's first job as a radio DJ.[7:00] - After seeing what radio sales people were driving, Bo decided to switch to sales.[8:50] - The tale of two Johns. We learn about the first man named John who shaped Bo's leadership style.[11:00] - Bo discusses his first confrontation with John.[13:00] - After approaching leadership roles like the second John, Bo wasn't seeing the results he expected.[14:20] - Chris Locurto helped turn Bo's leadership style around.[17:12] - What steps did Bo take to become a better leader?[19:44] - When you get free advice, take it.[22:05] - What would John do? Bo realizes his first boss was the leader he wanted to be like.[24:45] - Go to the concert was the best advice Bo had ever heard.[25:00] - Bo gives us a list of questions to ask ourselves to become better leaders.Links:Chris LocurtoRobbie Vitranohttps://theaccidentalleader.com