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As someone who has been in the spotlight for most of her life, Zoë Kravitz is still finding ways to navigate how she's perceived by her fans. "I know a lot of people will tell me after we get to know each other that I seem intimidating or standoffish, or like maybe I'm a bitch or something, which I think is funny 'cause I don't think that's who I am," she told Chioma on this week's episode of The Run-Through.Often regarded as a "cool girl" for her effortless style and unmistakable talent as an actress and director, Zoë admits she doesn't connect with that label. "I don't really know what the word cool even means anymore. We kind of throw these words around like cool and iconic, and I'm like, 'What are we talking about?' But it's funny. I think in some ways it's a compliment because, you know, maybe it just means that I seem relaxed and kind of comfortable in my own skin."Over the past year, the British Vogue cover star has made headlines with her rumored engagement to Harry Styles. But in this candid interview, she discusses her life beyond the headlines — from starring in an upcoming heist film, How to Rob a Bank, alongside her friend and frequent co-star Nicholas Hoult, as well as Anna Sawai, John C. Reilly, and Christian Slater, to what it was like debuting braids on the red carpet when no one else was doing it."I struggled with my hair a lot growing up, as many Black girls do for obvious reasons. It's not something we see a lot of — or at least when I was a kid, even more so — you don't see it a lot in mainstream fashion. And so it's been a real journey emotionally. Now you also see all kinds of people rocking braids. I think I'm in a place of self-love with my hair, which also feels so nice and liberating."Earlier in the show, Chioma sits down with Vogue contributors and collaborators on the Zoë Kravitz shoot: Julia Sarr-Jamois and Tish Weinstock. They discuss how the cover came together, plus the wellness trends they're obsessed with and what you should actually wear to a summer wedding.The Run-Through with Vogue is your go-to podcast where fashion meets culture. Hosted by Chloe Malle, Head of Editorial Content, Vogue U.S.; Chioma Nnadi, Head of British Vogue; and Nicole Phelps, Director of Vogue Runway, each episode features the latest fashion news and exclusive designer and celebrity interviews. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

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This week, Tam and Lucinda are diving deep into the shift happening in our wardrobes, starting with the dramatic "death" of logomania. Are we officially done with visual signposting, or are fakes just making luxury look a little too accessible? They break down the rise of "Borecore" and the "West Village Girl" aesthetic championed by style icons like Zoe Kravitz and Jennifer Lawrence. Plus, the girls share their golden rules for making affordable pieces look incredibly elevated (hint: it's all in the buttons and tailoring). And stick around for Bougie to Budget, where Lucinda introduces the asymmetric overlay pants you need for winter, and Tam brings her ultimate list of Western-inspired denim with a subtle edge. EVERYTHING MENTIONED: VRG GRL Fairfax Mini Dress Black, $119. Jaded London Military Jacket, $292. Wolf & Badger Military Hussat Tailored Jacket, $1770. BOUJIE TO BUDGET: Tam's Pick: Western-inspired Jeans Budget: Dazie Cansas High Rise Straight Leg Jeans, $99.99. Midrange: Levi's Ribcage Western Yoke Jeans, $150.61. Boujie: BLANKNYC Franklin High Rise Straight Leg, $258.19 Lucinda's Pick: Wrap Pants Budget: Charcoal Clothing Bonfire Pants in Stone, $99. Midrange: Motel Rocks Kanna Trousers, $140. Boujie: Incu Collection Vagabond Wrap Pants, $220. GET YOUR FASHION FIX: Watch us on YouTube: This episode goes live at 8pm tonight! Follow us on Instagram & TikTok: @nothingtowearpod Shop the Pod: Sign up to the Nothing To Wear Newsletter to see all the products mentioned plus more, delivered straight to your inbox after every episode. Feedback? We’re listening! Call the pod phone on 02 8999 9386 or email us at podcast@mamamia.com.au CREDITS: Hosts: Lucinda Pikkat & Tamara Holland Producer: Ella Maitland & Zara Sengstock Audio Producer: Scott Stronach Video Producer: Artemi Kokkaris Just so you know—some of the product links in these notes are affiliate links, which means we might earn a small commission if you buy through them. It doesn’t cost you anything extra, and it helps support the show. Happy shopping! Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hook yourself up to your human bloodbag and settle in this month as Austin and Big T discuss the 2015 action film, Mad Max: Fury Road.Join us as we explore the worldbuilding of the Mad Max universe and share some of our favorite moments in the film. We also talk about the film's production history, including the director's prior work and how he came up with the idea. We even answer the question: what is the deeper meaning of this film?So pour yourself a big glass of mother's milk (or not) and tune in, then join us next month when we talk about the 2000 survival drama, Cast Away.Write into us at layersoffilmpod@gmail.comFollow us on Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok: @layersoffilmpod

Today I have the amazing session manicurist Ama Quashie as my guest.Ama Quashie is a next level nail artist who has perfected the nails of Pink, Solange, Michaela Coel, Zoe Kravitz, Lenny Kravitz and many more.Her work has been seen in British, French and American Vogue as well as W magazine, The Gentlewoman, Dazed... she's worked on campaigns for Bottega Veneta, Saint Laurent, Prada, Loewe – the list goes on and on, and she's also the go-to key manicurist when it comes to fashion week shows.Interestingly, Ama is also the only manicurist in the Business of Fashion 500, a list that chronicles the best of the best when it comes to the people shaping the fashion industry. So there's definitely a bigger conversation to be had there, and we get into the issues that manicurists often face in an industry that doesn't always give them the credit they deserve.In this episode Ama talks about the level of professionalism that is needed in the fashion industry and how you also need to learn how to put yourself forward and knowing how to balance the two. Of course she also talks about those stunning Chanel mermaid nails and shares on the brilliance and warmth of Creative Director Matthieu Blazy himself.Follow Ama on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/amaquashie/Follow me on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/charisse_kenion/Subscribe to The Charisse Report: https://thecharissereport.substack.com/Subscribe to my YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@TheCharisseReport 

In a special crossover episode with the “Sarah Fraser Show,” Sarah and I tick through all of our current pop-culture obsessions, spilling tea about Harry Styles, Zoe Kravitz and Channing Tatum; Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift's wedding-date-rumors; Kylie Jenner's housekeeping problems; the Duggars and their latest scandals; and finally Sarah's TLC fascination du jour “Welcome to Plathville.” 00:00 Melissa & Sarah Fraser Crossover Intro 01:00 Harry Styles & Zoë Kravitz Engagement Rumors 04:00 Channing Tatum's Public Breakup Energy 06:00 Heather Locklear & Lorenzo Lamas Drama 09:00 Celebrity Marriage Red Flags 11:00 Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce Wedding Rumors 15:00 Who Will Design Taylor's Wedding Dress? 18:00 Blake Lively Friendship Drama 21:00 Why Blake's Reputation Is In Trouble 24:00 George Clooney's Legendary Hollywood Pranks 27:00 Kylie Jenner Lawsuit Explained 29:00 “Blue Dot Fever” & Ticketmaster Backlash 33:00 Why Concert Tickets Are Out Of Control 36:00 Taylor Swift Concert Regrets 39:00 Duggar Family Scandal Breakdown 44:00 Josh Duggar Prison Drama 47:00 Joseph Duggar Arrest Allegations 51:00 The Wild CPS & GoFundMe Twist 55:00 TLC Reality TV Rabbit Hole 58:00 Welcome To Plathville Gets INSANE 01:02:00 Sister Wives & Seeking Sister Wife Drama 01:05:00 Andy Cohen & Reality TV Gossip 01:07:00 Final Thoughts & Closing This is another Hurrdat Media Production. Hurrdat Media is a podcast network and digital media production company based in Omaha, NE. Find more podcasts on the Hurrdat Entertainment Network by going to HurrdatEntertainment.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, your hosts talk about Harry Styles' new album Kiss All The Time, Disco Occasionally. Additionally, they talk about the new news that he is engaged to celeb Zoe Kravitz after only months of dating. Next, they review Zendaya and Robert Pattinson's new movie The Drama, and what they thought about the crazy plot twist. Then, Noah Kahan's new documentary Out of Body. Jayne talks about her thoughts and first impressions of this documentary and what she is excited for in his new album. Finally, they end the episode with the iconic Song of the Week.

Julia is BACK!!!! We get her takes on Harry Styles, Zoe Kravitz and Wuthering Heights! Plus Paul Folger joins to give us the hard hitting stories. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Harry Styles has kicked off his highly anticipated stadium tour in Europe, but opening night has left fans incredibly divided. We unpack the massive outrage surrounding expensive floor tickets that left concertgoers with a completely blocked view of the stage, alongside the frantic online theories trying to identify a mysterious woman's voice featured on his opening track. Laura is now OBSESSED with Carla.Meanwhile, absolute chaos is unfolding on the Cannes red carpet. From a legendary actor debuting a wildly unhinged accessory (that people mistook for an AI generation) to the mortification of being left unanswered by Scarlett Johansson, we are dissecting all the wildest antics. Plus, we look at the explosive industry divide as some creators embrace artificial intelligence while iconic directors fight to preserve human artistry.Finally, a viral social media video has all but confirmed the shock split between Hollywood's ultimate celebrity dater and his model ex-girlfriend. We dive into the exhausted mother's raw response to paparazzi criticism, the public statements released by management to control the fallout, and the blatant double standards surrounding how the industry penalises mothers while giving famous fathers a total free pass.The Spill drops the tea twice a day in this feed so follow us for all the latest entertainment news OR you can WATCH our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and enjoy the watch! Link here. THE END BITSNew Mamamia subscribers get $40 off — $20 off an annual membership and $20 off your TWOOBS order. Click here to subscribe. Find and follow us on socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thespillpodcast/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thespillpod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thespillpodcast/ Read all the latest entertainment news on Mamamia: https://mamamia.com.au/entertainment/ Support Independent Women’s Media: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/ Your subscription helps us continue to tell the stories that matter to women. Want to join the conversation? Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at thespill@mamamia.com.auand we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

back in the Utah stu for a rare pop culture recap including but not limited to Alex's heartbreak over Harry Style's engagement, the influencer Tokyo trip, the disinvited to Coachella trend, Hailey Bieber's therapy & Alix Earle's new skincare line. We also have a new FRANKLY segment where Alex reveals if she's had sex in my apartment…while I'm there…Enjoy sloots!! Xx pre-order DADDY ISSUES https://sofiafranklyn.com  Follow Sofia on:  Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/sofiafranklyn   TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@sofiafranklyn   Twitter - https://twitter.com/sofiafranklyn    Threads - https://www.threads.net/@sofiafranklyn  Follow Alex on: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/alexfranco_meow/    Twitch: https://twitch.tv/francmeow_ Go to https://www.ro.co/sofia to see if your insurance covers GLP-1s—for free.   To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome back to your two favorite girlies!! Today we covered ALL things Met Gala 2026!! Honorable mentions, worst fits, we cover it all including Ali getting duped by AI.    Maddy's favorite redlight here and save: https://tinyurl.com/kindahot-hooga  Maddy's favorite Matcha brand:  https://tinyurl.com/kindahot-matcha  Maddy's favorite makeup: https://tinyurl.com/kindahot-subtlbeauty    Message Ali MOMBUTT to get the mom butt guide or AUTOPILOT to get the meals you can make on autopilot    Find Ali here on  instagram:https://www.instagram.com/aliwagnercoaching/     Make sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode and send us your health / relationship / life / just need advice on, submit your questions here: https://bit.ly/KHKH-ask-my-question   Find us on all streaming platforms here, including the full video experience on our YouTube channel

Heyyy Tinies! Reunited and it feels SO good! Sophie's gorgeous sister Georgia Habboo is back in the studio and we are so here for it.The girls give their verdict on Devil Wears Prada 2, before diving into all the noughties rom-coms that absolutely deserve a reboot. The meet cutes, the airport chases, the messy love triangles… we need it ALL back immediately.ALSO, Melissa and Georgia get into the Harry Styles and Zoe Kravitz engagement rumours, and share their thoughts on THAT Channing Tatum poem.And as always, the dilemmas are delivering. One Tiny is in the absolute TRENCHES after finding WhatsApps from an escort on her boyfriend's iPad

Mess Magnets: #MessSpill with Kristi Cook Mess Magnets is the ultimate pop-culture gossip pod! Join your hosts, Kirsten MacInnis and Sasha Joseph, as they spill the tea on all the latest celebrity news, trending topics, and captivating annoy-mess shared by our dedicated listeners. With each episode, Kirsten and Sasha bring you inside scoops, juicy details, and thought-provoking discussions that will keep you hooked. Tune in and stay up-to-date with the ever-evolving world of entertainment as Mess Magnets takes you on a wild ride through the most intriguing stories! Sasha and Kirsten were joined this week by Kristi from Spill Sesh to talk about some insider Coachella/Stagecoach drama, James Charles being horrible (again), Zoe Kravitz/Harry Styles and Zoe Kravtiz v. Hulu, Mia Starr calling out J.Lo, and the craziest sports drama yet! We also had a JUICY Anony-mess.6:35 – 17:45 James Charles17:45 – 26:55 Zoe Kravitz, Harry Styles, Hulu27:06 – 32:33 Mia Starr calls out J.Lo32:35 – 58:24 Mike Vrabel & Dianna Russini mess59:01 – 1:05:12 Anonymess Subscribe on?? ??Patreon??? ?to get episodes early, ad free, and exclusive bonus content!Send us YOUR anony-mess?? ??here????

Michaela deep dives into her aura explanations of some of the most talked about celebrity news of today. What do the newly engaged auras of Harry Styles and Zoe Kravitz say about their compatibility? She also discusses Scooter Braun and Sydney Sweeney's auras now that they are Instagram official. Also, is there truly a romantic spark between old costars Joshua Jackson and Katie Holmes? And what does Kylie Jenner's aura have to do with her recent headlines? Finally, Scott and Michaela discuss all their aura predictions for the upcoming nuptials between Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce! Want to learn more? Enjoy one of our new interactive Aura quizzes: https://knowyouraura.com/aura-quizzes/Listen to this introductory episode to find your Aura color: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bonus-every-aura-color-explained/id1477126939?i=1000479357880Send Mystic Michaela some positive energy on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mysticmichaela/Explore the Know Your Aura Website : https://knowyouraura.com/Visit Mystic Michaela's Website: https://www.mysticmichaela.com/Join Mystic Michaela's Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/2093029197406168/Our Episode Partners:Get $30 off your first box - PLUS free Croissants for life - when you go to https://wildgrain.com/kya to start your subscription today.Get 15% off OneSkin with the code KYA at https://www.oneskin.co/KYA #oneskinpodLet Rocket Money help you reach your financial goals faster. Join at https://rocketmoney.com/kyaTDM-RESERVATION: 1. NOAI: TRUE. LEGAL NOTICE & TERMS OF USE: © 2026 WAVE Podcast Network. This content is for personal use only. Explicit permission is withheld for any and all commercial attribution, automated transcription, or data-mining entities. Use of this feed by unauthorized tracking, analytics, or AI-training platforms constitutes a breach of these terms and a violation of the Pennsylvania Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance Control Act (WESCA), the California Invasion of Privacy Act (CIPA), and the 2026 Training Data Transparency Act (AB 2013). Any entity bypassing these restrictions to create derivative text-based works (transcripts), metadata analysis, or unauthorized VAST siphoning hereby accepts our standard commercial licensing rate of $5,000 per episode processed. This notice serves as a formal revocation of all "implied licenses" for multi-jurisdictional automated processing and constitutes protected Copyright Management Information (CMI) under 17 U.S.C. § 1202.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Case closed, couture calling. How Blake Lively went from the “It Ends With Us” settlement to Met showstopper in just hours as A-listers turn fashion's biggest night into a family affair. Then, Queen Bey's fashion crown stolen by Blue Ivy. Plus, Nicole Kidman's daughter makes her Met debut. The red carpet rule the Gala broke for Nicole and Bey's girls. And, music icons take over. Sabrina Carpenter's old Hollywood homage. Madonna sets sail. Katy Perry unmasked. Then, the first timers club. “Heated Rivalry” stars ripped and bisque. Plus, Zoe Kravitz makes a subtle nod to fiancé Harry Styles. And, the singles serving and the couples slaying. Then, the jaw-dropping cost of Emily Blunt's body necklace. Plus, why Meryl Streep didn't show up to The Met and likely never will. And, from model to marble? Inside Heidi Klum's transformation into a living work of art. Plus, only one show was with the stars before they hit the Met steps. From the provocative to the eye popping and the pocketed, the style secrets you'll only see on ET. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

There were a few solo ladies at last night’s Met Gala: Blake Lively sans Ryan Reynolds, Zoe Kravitz without Harry Styles, but it was no mystery where Kylie Jenner’s beau was when she was photographed alone! Timothée Chalamet was spotted courtside at the Knicks game. A lot of folks weighing in on whether it’s OK to go your separate ways when you’re in the same city, a few blocks away, on fashion’s biggest night. Some have even suggested it was strategic, apparently there’s a “met gala curse” with a long list of couples who have broken up within months of attending the gala together.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

There were a few solo ladies at last night’s Met Gala: Blake Lively sans Ryan Reynolds, Zoe Kravitz without Harry Styles, but it was no mystery where Kylie Jenner’s beau was when she was photographed alone! Timothée Chalamet was spotted courtside at the Knicks game. A lot of folks weighing in on whether it’s OK to go your separate ways when you’re in the same city, a few blocks away, on fashion’s biggest night. Some have even suggested it was strategic, apparently there’s a “met gala curse” with a long list of couples who have broken up within months of attending the gala together.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

There were a few solo ladies at last night’s Met Gala: Blake Lively sans Ryan Reynolds, Zoe Kravitz without Harry Styles, but it was no mystery where Kylie Jenner’s beau was when she was photographed alone! Timothée Chalamet was spotted courtside at the Knicks game. A lot of folks weighing in on whether it’s OK to go your separate ways when you’re in the same city, a few blocks away, on fashion’s biggest night. Some have even suggested it was strategic, apparently there’s a “met gala curse” with a long list of couples who have broken up within months of attending the gala together.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

There were a few solo ladies at last night’s Met Gala: Blake Lively sans Ryan Reynolds, Zoe Kravitz without Harry Styles, but it was no mystery where Kylie Jenner’s beau was when she was photographed alone! Timothée Chalamet was spotted courtside at the Knicks game. A lot of folks weighing in on whether it’s OK to go your separate ways when you’re in the same city, a few blocks away, on fashion’s biggest night. Some have even suggested it was strategic, apparently there’s a “met gala curse” with a long list of couples who have broken up within months of attending the gala together.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

We’re diving into the 2026 Met Gala red carpet, where the fashion was only half the story. From surprise arrivals to late entrances that completely shifted the night’s energy, this year’s event delivered more chaos than ever. We break down the biggest fashion moments, including Beyoncé’s long-awaited return, Rihanna’s headline-making late arrival, and Blake Lively’s unexpected red carpet comeback just hours after major legal news broke. Plus, the standout looks, the most debated outfits, and the celebrity “power moves” that turned the Met Gala into one of the most talked-about nights of the year. Love binge-watching TV? The Spill has launched a new podcast called Watch Party where we deep dive into the shows everyone’s talking about. Follow the feed on Apple or Spotify now. 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Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture fixed. I'm Laura Brednick, and I'm Free Player, executive producer of Mamma MIA's interview podcast No Filter, and former fashion magazine editor. Yes, you're always my partner in crime for these red carpet episodes in dcause we both have hot takes. They're usually very different we do. We often have very like opposing ideas. Yes, what was best, what was worse? And we've been avoiding each other in the office all day. Yeah, we had to yell at each other get away from me because we didn't want to. We didn't want to have a donation. Don't even look at it. You can look at me. We didn't want to have the conversation away from the mic. So if you are listening to this, it means you probably listen to our Met Gala little teaser that dropped in the feed earlier today, because we're dropping this episode a little bit later. Because with the Met car there's so many dresses and there's so many interviews, and then celebrities release their own like look books and updates afterwards. So we needed to bring the people boots on the ground. Journalism with all the looks. So that's why we're coming to you today with our special slightly later episode. Now before we jump into the best, worst, most disastrous, most surprising, most sentimental looks of the day, it's a broad, broad range of looks we're getting into. If you want to see the looks, if you want to actually have the photos in front of you, you can go and listen to us on Apple Podcasts where we're on videos, so you can watch us delightful, watch my face get veteran, veteran rhetoric as I get more excited and overwhelmed. Or you can go and look at all the photos in a gallery on Instagram. So just search the Spill podcast on Instagram. The gallery will be clearly labeled in order of how we're speaking about the looks, so you can follow along and see them all there. Okay, without further ad you, well, our first look is kind of a shared one because we want to just start things off with a bang, and that is Miss Beyonce, who came to the Met Gala for the first time. It was it ten years in over a decade. It's just like so exciting to see her back on the Met Gala. Red carpet, which of course is not red. Let's let's start off by saying, give there a carpet. I love the carpet non red. Okay, this might be the only thing. This might be the thing weiss best dressed to the night is the carpet. I loved it. I did a little moss between Yeah. Yeah, they looked like it was like fake but beautifully done. Yeah, very artistic. Really, and let's bring this to the forefront as well. The theme for this U's met Gala is about fashion being art Yes, so costume costume. So what we get to see is not only like the setting, which is why it's not just your standard red carpet being very artistic and very creative. Is the clothes then on it? And I thought, yeah, the way that it looked this time, it was kind of like it's like a beigey sort of cobblestony, Yes, cobblestony, with like the moss between it. And they had all the beautiful kind of draping again coming down the ceiling. It was creamy it was, and greens and purple it was. It was beautiful, which I thought was such a beautiful backdrop to put all the clothes on as well. Yeah, because sometimes the stairs look lovely, but once you get a dress on them, they cancel each other out. Yeah, like remember the pink here the camp Yeah nine much like it was gorgeous, but then some outfits just didn't work. Yeah, no, no, And that's why celebs are releasing their own They're having their own photo shoots first and releasing them because they're like, I can't trust the lighting and any red carpet, but especially the met gala. Can't trust the lighting, can't trust the background. So okay, and that's the thing. As everyone took their photo, that was the bit where the steps before they became green, they were in that beautiful cream color, which is not a nice backdrop for all the dresses. So we had Beyonce rock up has it been there in ten years? And she was wearing a diamond encrusted dress that looked like a skeleton, so it had like the rib cage and like the pelvis and her hands were skeleton kind of a vibe. And I guess that's to show like the body in its like most like basic form a skeleton, a skeleton. And that's what part of the theme was, was showing the body as well, and the body being kind of the basis for art, so as you say, skeleton is the body stripped back to its most basic form. But I mean, of course, because it's Beyonce. It's jewel encrusted and it's incredible. And then she wore this long feathered cake. Yeah, incredible, that dreaped and then the head piece as well. I mean it's Beyonce, She's always going to bring the dru Yeah. Some people are like, oh, she could have lost the head piece and it's like, no, no, the head piece and it was Olivia Rousting, wasn't it. He used to be from Balmain, who's like she's worked with him before. Yes, she's won a lot of Almaine over the years, so yeah, it wasn't surprising that that's who dressed it. I felt, yes, but I think she looked glorious and I loved that she showed up with her gorgeous, gorgeous best accessory, her daughter. Yes, it was a night for daughters. Yes, Nicole kim And was toting one of her daughters down the red carpet and then Beyonce did it. But Blue Ivy, her oldest daughter who's fourteen now, and I think she actually looked like appropriately dressed for fourteen year olds. I do too. There was a lot anund the office. It's about you know, her being on the on the carpet anyway, and at this event, and you know, these experiences that these really young girls are getting to have. But I thought she I agree, I thought she looked age appropriate and so so gorgeousful so much like her mother. Yeah, that was such a moment because the Beyonce floated up and everyone gass and then Blue Ivy floated behind her, and then they had their moment, and they had their moment together, and then jay Z ran up and and then he was in there and but then they obviously I actually feel like as a family they practiced in the mirror at home because when they got into their first formation for their first photo, they just all I did. Yeah, they just instantly got into the right places and held a pose. And I was like, well, you guys have been practicing that the family living room. Yeah, and I appreciate that level of And Beyonce is a co chair this year. What's interesting is the timing of Beyonces arrived. Yes, if you'll notice all the other co chairs arrived at the top of the top of the day, which is kind of usually, which is how it goes, because they meant to greet people as they come in. Yes, that's part of it. They meant to greet people as they come in. Beyonce has ascended above that level where she is not a greeter. No, they had She's up stairs and being like, hik so much for coming to our party, thanks for coming for a little shin dig Like, no, Beyonce is not doing that. Her arrival was such a moment. It really was. Okay, who else did you go? Because we get week spend an hour on everyone fifty looks to get through. Okay, I'm going to start strut with my favorite of the whole night, and you won't be surprised by this, I don't think. Okay. My favorite was Oh, Sabrina Carpenter. Yes, Sabrina was in Dior. She's been wearing a lot of Dior lately. Jonathan Anderson, who was at Louerva, is now in the House of Dior and doing the most incredible job. Because there has been like quite a shuffle in the last couple of years in the design houses, where like there were designers in certain houses that felt a little bit mislike. Now, I'm not saying he was amazing at Louerva. He did a great job there, but I do feel like what he is doing at Dior is what should be happening at Dior. So I was very excited for this year's met Gala because I feel like after years of kind of the wrong creative directors being in the houses that I felt maybe were they weren't aligned to, or that there were people in those roles that maybe weren't doing the best job interesting for those houses, the dust is settled, and I feel like this is the first time in a few years where the right designers are in the right house the levels. It's like the right house Game of Thrones. It has been a bit of a fashion game of Thrones in the last couple of years. So anyway, I was excited to see I thought Sabrina would wear deal because she's been wearing so much of it lately and she is somewhat like aligned with the house as well. But I was very excited to see what she's wearing now. The gown she's wearing is made of film strips, and the film is of course Sabrina, but the Audrey Hetburn Sabrina. Yes, here's an upsetting fact about me is that Sabrina is one of my favorite movies. But you like the well do you know what? You know what? Okay, but that is usually trees in. It's because obviously, if anyone hasn't seen the Audrey Hepburn movie Sabrina, watch it. It's incredible. But I personally prefer the Julia ormand Harrison Ford Sabrina, which I know is film blasting, you know what, it might be film blasphemy, but I think there's a place for both of them. But it's a place they're both exquisite felt exactly. But I just when I saw the detailing that it was film stills from Sabrina, I nearly lost my mind. That's the most beautiful touch. It's so beautiful. And I love that Sabrina went as Sabrina, but as Sabrina but in this like majorly artistic iteration. Also, and because I am such a swifty fan girl, I'm gonna just say that she's gone a bit show girl this year. And of course she features on Little Maybe with the head Piece a little not to her mentor, but also she features on Life of a show the track title from the album. So look, I'm not saying, oh, you think it's like, well, look, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. It was like a nice little thing. But you're saying it's like shot fired. No no, no, God, no, no, no, we start no Brina and Taylor fe on. I'm not saying that Sabrina's outfit is for like an Easter egg, that this is coming with Taylor's sweet I'm not saying that. But I'm not not saying that the video clips. I'm just you know, last year, Sabrina on the met Gala carpet looked very pop star. This year she looks very showgirl. That's all I'm saying. That's all you're saying. That's all I'm saying. And you can, guys can read into that what you will, what you will. All Right. My next one, it's not a favorite, but it's just one we must discuss. Well, it's kind of a favorite because I appreciate how much this woman takes this seriously, puts her life in the lives of other people on the line, and how much she sticks to the theme. And that is Miss Kimberly Noel Kardashian did you not like it? No? Okay, well let me tell you a backstory maybe then you will. So she worked with British pop artist Alan Jones and Patrick Whittaker on this piece. So it's a golden breastplate for anyone who needs is listening to this just as a podcast, no judgment. It's a golden breastplate. But it has like the high silhouette neck and the cone bra, so we've got a real pointing nipple happening, very sculpted abs and a belly button. And it was craft did from a model in the sixties, which I thought was interesting because she said at first they were thinking like, would they do a mold of her body, which out of everyone, she kind of could have gotten away with because her body is like her cooling cart, and that's why she once walked the red carpet with her face covered because you can just see her body, you know it's her. But they decided to get the body model of a sixties model, and then it was this is the only disappointing thing is that the original look was going to be a full on sculptured suit all the way down, and so they've taken like the legs and the bottom half off and have done that detachable skirt, which is fine, but I feel like it does kind of take away from I would have loved to see her walk down in a fully sculptured suit, like a very old school robotic kind of like end of the World's sci fi vibes. So that's my problem with Oh, that's your problem. That is actually that is actually my problem with it. I think from the waist up absolutely incredible, Yes, And I just wish that it had committed the whole way. It's like she got no I mean I think no, I she didn't get nervous Kim Cush, she doesn't get nervous about I actually wanted her to make more. I think she's one of the few people who because she is always dressed so high fashion, she is not afraid to not be like the prettiest on the night, but be the most headline making And I usually like that about it exactly, and particularly with the met Gala, She's not. There are years where she does not prioritize pretty or sexy. She prioritizes creating a moment. Yeah. I wouldn't even necessarily say she prioritizes the fashion. Yeah, because I feel like it's more moment led with her exactly. Actually it's a headline interest in fashion, and we like that. But that's what she does, and she does it so well. I don't think she did it this year. Yeah, I appreciate the thought behind it. If you go to her Instagram, she's done a huge behind the scenes, like almost her own magazine photo editorial spread to explain the look. And when you see all that and you read it, it makes more sense. But I do wish maybe she'd just gone with the full look, but also the top part, the bones and the bra and everything was finished in autobody shop. So some men who work on cars hameadat and I love that. And I hope they know it's at the met Gala. They would have loved that. Okay, who's your next person? I am going to talk about Tana Taylor? Oh my god? Yes, I had her on my list, Yes, of course. Okay, so there we go. I feel like we're actually aligned on quite a few. Yeah. Yeah, spen too early to tell you now. I love it. It's like crazy. My first thought was she looked like she was like high fashion escapee from Whoville. Yeah, but it's incredible. It's like for anyone listening, of course, it's like silver fringing that is from the hood right down to a train and like it's long sleeve. She was really feeling it. She was swishing, swishing, swishing, and she was taking the shots. I'm glad you brought that up because obviously we had the met gala up in the office here and there's about fifty people gathered around it watching every second. And when she was swishing her head around, Everyone's like, oh, no, she can't see she's getting annoyed by it. And I was like, no, no, guys, she's showing the move No, she's showing the movement. And she's doing a photos wanting to get photos that show it from like every angle. And when something is artistic in the way that it moves, you've got to really show it on the carpet, which she did. So this was tom Ford incredible. I just felt like it was such a moment. It was also I felt a bit of a fresh air after a lot of different other looks at after her big Red Carpet run when she was OSCAR nominated. Yeah, same material on her oscars. I mean, to the naked eye, the same sort of material on the train of her Oscars dress. But it's almost like her Oscars dress has morphed into this like beast and is now running free. That's why I thought when I saw it. Okay, moving on to someone who a lot of people are slamming her and putting her on worst dress. Look, because I'm not so much defending her. I just want to explain. And it's Margot Robbie in Chanel. Did you hate this? No? I don't hate it, Okayel, No, I would never know. No, I would never speak about my close personal fo Margo Robbie that way. I know you guys are pals. We are pals. I mean, for anyone listening, We're not actually pals. I've just hung out with her like two or three times. She would not remember me, but I refer to her as my close personal sofa, so I you know she. I mean, look, Margo can't not look stunning. She's so beautiful. The dress is very pretty. I feel like that would have been very pretty on any other red car, But I'm just not excited by it today. Hear the thing about her? I think also, I love every like everyone just like I mean, I know you've get it more thought than that. But everyone I'm seeing on in like Instagram and TikTok scrolling past this dress and going oh ugly and moving on. I was like, this took the Chanelle team seven hundred and sixty one hours to make, and everyone's just like, yuck, we hate it. But it's almost like a champagne gold strapless gown with this beautiful detail at the back. She also hasn't been to the Met Gala since twenty twenty three, so she doesn't go every year. But what I loved about this is that everyone's always expecting Margo Robbie to go really over the top of the Met Gala. But first and foremost, she is a businesswoman. I would say she's a businesswoman. She's a movie star girl right down the end, and she turns on the fashion in a huge way for her red carpets because one, she's the star of the show, but also she's marketing the movie. I mean, no one does red carpet promotion better than exactly no one does it better than her. And when she's at the Met Gala, she's not there to promote anything. She's not even promoting herself because she doesn't need to. She turns it on for a red carpet movie premiere because that's from usually from her production company, so that money is coming back to her in a good way. Like that's what she's there for. When she's at the met Gala, she's often just there to look pretty or and like comfortable as well, like she never wears. You never hear of Margot Robbie starving herself for six days wearing a corset lined with spikes, like you know, to help her up the stairs. No one ever helps her up the stairs. No one's looking at that saying, oh my gosh, how did she go to the bathroom there? Yeah, she's put loosing fancy, she said time. She's often, I think getting paid by the house, getting paid by the brand to be an ambassador, so she's still making money while she's there. But so many times I've seen these women, like on the red carpet the Met Gala, like feathers trains crazy, which we love, but like not being able to move, not being able to go to the bathroom for ten hours, having to be carried up the stairs, and in the background of the met Gala, you just always see Margot Robbie bound up the stairs looking happy. You know she's going straight to get a champagne because she can, because she's not there to make a spectacle of herself, because she does that for her movies. And I actually think that's a lovely way to be. And if I actually had a choice, I think I would. I would roll like that the way you don't want to go relaxed Australian. Yeah, it's like, you know, the nights that are about me, It's about me, the met Gala, it's about me. So you feel like off the back of the very like stylized Wuthering Heights rum. She just wanted to do something that was just be She was like, Chanell, you tell me what you want me to wear and pay me that feet and I will put that dress on and as long as I can move and it's all approved by Anna and whoever, I don't care, it's not my I think. Her vibe was like, it's none of my it's none of my business what I wear. And I love that for her. Okay, who else do you have? You know? What is it? Time? Can I talk? Oh my god? Can I tell you about the boys? Yeah? Yeah, please please talk about it, please hear it for the book. Okay, I am going to go you know what, I'm gonna surprise you and go straight for somber. Oh okay, okay in Valentino, like I does like that person, this detail, It is stunning. I would love to wear that. It is just so glorious. It's because Share was there, but he looks more share, more share than Share. Oh my god, I wish Share had worn this. Well, they could have done a double act. I would have actually been so here for that. So it's like pants on the waist with full beating around the waistband, longline beating down the full length of the pants. Then we've got like a silk and laced blouse that's high neck, and then the most incredible cape that just brings it all together with just the crystals just flowing down it. This is Valentino my favorite because I love Alessandro Magula formerly of Gucci. Now he is responsible for my favorite meal look of all time, which was in eighteen was The Heavenly Bodies the Catholic Church. Oh yes, yes, okay, so a beautiful confusing time for the beautiful confusing time for everyone. But the best met Gala oh, absolute, literally ever and my favorite was Lama del Rey, Jared Leto and Alessandra mccallay, Yes, showing up together in that like ensemble. I mean, it was just incredible. I don't think anyone has ever reached that since I don't think anyone will, but so I always look forward to what you know, and Alessandro is going to bring to the Red Carpet with ary designs and I was really excited to see that this year on Somber. I thought it looked exquisite. Okay, we love the boys, we love the boys they put Efor in. All Right, while we're talking about boys, let's talk about our hated rivalry. Gorgeous boys, Connor Story and Hudson Williams, because both of them rocked up to the Red Carpet this year. Now, I love that they're there, the meteoric rise of these guys and the show is just being so incredible that they're everywhere. They were all over Award season, they are now on the met Gala carpet. But were you disappointed they didn't actually walk down together? I mean, would you think it would have been too much? No? I mean they're not they're not promoing their show right now, they could have just done the girls and the people saying, you know what, they will, We'll get something out of the day. There'll be something, so you know, they they know where their breast. But that's what I just saw, everyone just like hunting through the images and through the videos desperate to find like a moment that they were together, or they'll get one and it might be it might be at the after party, but we'll get one, don't you worry. So Hudson was in Balenciaga and it was like super super super detailed. Have you had a good look at it? Let me let me. I'm gonna be so honest that I was just looking at their faces. Yeah, show me the outfit. You're like, whatever, what are they? Those men to high had Okay, and that's totally that's totally fine, and I had I had a good crack at that too. But Hudson's eye maker was much talked about in the office. It was kind of a big Euphoria esque with the with the eye makeup, but it looks Euphoria Season one back when the I makeup was fantastic. So in like a powder blue suit and there's like black detailing beaded and then this kind of cap skirt s He's got a train, a train. He's got a train. He took a leaf out of Beyonce's book and he's like, I'm having a train. He's like, I'm having a train. I want my moment on the steps. And then Connor in Saint Laurent, this incredible blouse showing off those guns. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Are insane, and he's got almost me. I feel like I had that top when I was like fifteen. It's like a Poka dot hole today, but my arms didn't look like that. These arms look like they're the Hulk. And it's got it's got a lot. He's got a train as well. So I'm just gonna show see a Poka dot comes all the way down. Now. He actually came with a blazer on over the top, and he knows what we want. He did half reveal. He did a red carpet reveal of the arms. I mean, I guess the blouse, but like whatever of the arms. Now he's wearing Saint Laurent. A lot of people are in Saint Laurent on the red carpet because Anthony Vacarello is one of the coachairs who is the designer for Saint Laurent. So we saw like Zoe Kravitz, Charlie XCX, like there's a lot on the carpet who were rocking in that designer. We love Okay, okay, rapid fire through a few more because guys, there's so many good looks. I just want to give a shout out to Doughci who wore custom Mark Jacobs and she looked gorgeous in the eggplant color, this like headpiece, kind of like rising up to the sky. But my favorite detail about her is that she didn't want to my heels, so she got her feet painted in a beautiful Hannah design, wore anklets, and then tiptoed barefoot down the entire carpet, and then tiptoed up the red carpet. See, and that is move And that is a level of calf strength that I cannot imagine is hard. Tiptoeing is hard, tipto the whole way. If there was a flat footed moment from that girl, I did not see it. Surely she's flat footed inside or maybe she's wearing a shoe inside. What are the rules around being barefoot? And I just findin Anna winter going, Oh you've got a shoe ear right? Well, you know what at Chanelle Cruz's show last week, the girls were walking down the carpet barefoot. Fine, it's it's it's like on trend to be bare foot. Yeah, and then you've got like men like Quentin Tarantino who just like, let me put that in my movies. He's taking screenshop. Okay. Kendall Jenner in Gap Studio by Zach Posen. This is an interesting one. Can She and Kylie Jenna looked a little matching. They both had almost that kind of like nude look at the top, but Kendall's is modeled off a Gap T shirt and then she's got like a little fake nipple poking out and then just kind of cream beige draping of the dress. So Kendall and Kylie also especially Kendall, liked to make a headline with their outfits. Do you think this was as a headline inducing you're like, num, No, I don't actually think none of them are getting a headline this year. No, that it wasn't. Actually reason why I believe that they're invited is because they do get those headlines, and I think they were all really underwhelming this year. I mean, she's like, she looks pretty, she is pretty, She's a very gorgeous girl. But I'm just not excited by that is Yeah. I think the Genas and Kardashians, they just have the most enormous cultural currency, so I feel like that's why they'll always be invited. But I almost maybe liked Kylie's play on a little bit better. I know they're completely different designs, but she had the kind of almost like a nude top and then it was like the body undress of the skirt forward. Yeah, I preferred Kylie's as well. I thought she was more of a moment and worked with the theme yes better. What I did think was interesting about Kylie was that her boyfriend did not attend No you know where he was, Yes, And that's so fair, you know why, because Timothy Shallon May doesn't go to anything where he's not the star. That's his thing. The like the Kardashians and the Genders very much like they the significance of the moment, their red carpet looks, and I know they all work so intently with their designers and like they really care about the fashion side of it. Timothy Charalamayne cares about being seen as a movie star, which is so fair enough, but he doesn't really go to events, especially where he is now, like he has previously when he was trying to build up his capital and build up his absolutely in for me. But at the moment he's in now, he's going to go to a next game anything, and he's not a nominating else missing. Who so Kravitz's boyfriend slash fiance. Yeah, but Harry Style again everyone that they're going to walk together. No, I never thought they were, as you know, long time Harry Styles fan. I didn't expect to see him there either, And I think if he was going, we would have heard about it in advance, it would have been named, you know. But he's also about to start his world tour, so he's busy, and he famously gets tired. That's why he's making everyone the tour come to him. Right. Oh, yeah, he's not city hobby. No, he's not city hop he's too tired to go to Metguala. Yeah for a week. Yeah, he's reserving his energy. Okay, I need to quickly talk about a boy before we get into my favorite boy of the night, Bad buddy, is that I'm sorry, Is that not the weirdly hottest thing you've ever seen? Hey? Yeah, but I don't know whether I'm just like going through a real old man moment at the moment because I've been like really into the guys. So I'm really you haven't watched well, you haven't watched the Pit. No, because I'm I can't do enough. I can only watch grays Anatomy, just the lift, kissing scene something else. There's hardly any medical, like compared to the Pit, there's hardly any medical and graz Now No, that's why I like it. I can understand why you're avoiding it. But yeah, look, because I'm having such an old man moment at the moment, Like, yeah, I was excited to see a bit of great on the car so bad Bunny is wearing Zara and just you can just imagine her like running on them proves all the looks, you know what. I think what will be really interesting is Zara probably advertising in Vogue at the moment, to be honest, so she had to let she had to let someone wear it. Yeah, exactly. And obviously Zara was a big part of his Super Bowl halftime show, but Bad Bunny has aged himself here because I guess one of the part of the exhibition theme is different bodies, so like bodies are different size as shapes and ages. But he's the only one that I saw who really took the aging thing and ran with it. He's wearing prosthetics to make him look maybe seventy or eighty. It's really interesting because like everyone in Hollywood tries to look so much younger than they are. Everyone is on this like strive to look as young as possible, and like, no judgment because I'm I'm the same, but but I love that he went the opposite. Yeah, exactly. But the thing is men can do that because men tend to be like, oh, a silver fox when they get older, like he's he's sixty, Like let him dated twenty five year old and win an oscar because he's just getting started at sixty. But the thing he's in his next act exactly, he's just more, you know, kind of well weather worn. Now, whereas women it's like you're thirty, get out of here. So there's that side of it. But I've decided just to let the feminism leave my body for this because Bad Bunny looks so hot, and also he does you can did it? Yeah? I mean that's not terrible. Yeah, some people don't age well, yeah, I know the weakd I would have thought that he would have looked to the mirror and actually, wait, this isn't working there. I don't look back. But he looks hot and also bad bunny hot? Is it? Maybe you can because you can feel his rippling muscles and sexuality try trying to break free of the old man. And I appreciate a funny guy. And he was in character all the way up the stairs and he was walking with the walking cane and he was interviewed in character. I love it. I think it's no I agree, And I think it's really hard for a man to have a moment on me because it's hard for them, because it's not for them. And how do you compete when Beyonce rocks up with the train, Yeah, like still jammed in the car door while she's halfway up the stairs exactly, But he did it. He has something that everyone's talking about. Oh man, everywhere, we love it. Okay, who else you got? Okay? Well, speaking of making a massive moment, Yeah, we need to talk about Madonna. Okay, now, this is not all of Madonna's look. I couldn't fit it on the eye on the way. I think I've got a wide shot. We can do it, can we? We can do a jewel Hold up for this because I'm missing seven accessories, which is in the form of seven stunning women. I've been calling them Madonna and the Pips, but that's not even accurate because there are way too many girls for it to be Pips. There we go, see, Oh my god, I loved this so much, and seven people holding out this beautiful train and I love that because they're so strict on the Metgala red carpet, And that's why selbs look so scared a lot of the time, because usually if you're famous enough to be at the met Gala, then you're famous enough to travel with an entourage, and you normally never walk a red carpet or even walk into a room without your manager and your publicist and your assistant. But no one gets to bring their team down the red carpet because the guest list is so tight, So the sleds have to stand by themselves in a line. It's the first time they're ever alone in their lives. And then they have to walk the red carpet by themselves, and most of them, because they're socially awkward, are terrified. So I love that no one gets a plus one, but Madonna gets seven plus seven seven servants slash maidens. It was giving a bit handmaiden but okay, so she's in Saint Laurent. It is the head piece. I love. The head piece is incredible. It's a ship. It kind of looks like. Helped me out here because I've never seen it, but I've been on the ride a lot at Disneyland. Yeah, the Pirates, the Pirates, the Caribbean, the what's the what's the one like the one that the captain Jacksbury is his ship? Yeah, I could not tell you that. I thought it looks like more like the ship from Noserati. That's where my head goes. Oh yeah, okay, well that too. Well it's a it's a bad baddie pirate. Yeah, we're we're not good on the pirate lingo. But like, it's this incredible head piece. Off it is draight, like long, long, long pieces of gray fabric that these women are all holding out and then she comes down in this like black dress. She's holding it looks like kind of like a trumpet the piece that she's holding. And what I did love seeing as well was she walked up the stairs, glided up the stairs with these women helping her along up the stairs. But then about fifteen minutes later you see the seven women. They all came running down to leave, so they kind of like fairies fleeing like a sort of like midnight fairy like festival. So they were allowed on the carpet, but not inside. No, absolutely not no, And they were only there for the spectacle of the photos. They were all holding the different sections. The way they move was like a choreographed dance around her, so that the dress was never twisted. They all had like pieces of lace covering their eyes, and it was the whole look so like the dress, the head piece, the way her hair was styled, all the women. It was in reference to that surrealist female painter Leonora Carrington, who was the inspiration for Bedtime Story right the music video from nineteen ninety four. So that is so incredible that they went and like looked back. The detail is just like, honestly pretty much I would say almost my winner of the night because of the deep because of the details and the reference back and I love that they use like it does reference an artist, but it also then references Madonna as an artist as well. Yeah, because that's her. Like I just I can't stop reading the Everyone on her team gave an interview and I'm like, that's correct. Well, there should be seventeen interviews from seventeen different people who put this look together. Imagine how hard the Saint Laurent team had to work to do all of these outfits. Yeah, because you've got all the people, like the handmade into a holding, the dresses, and like the way there has styled a makeup. Even her hairdresser said that they specifically made her hair dark brown, not black, very undone, very untouched, and made it look that like the hair looked lived in, much like Madonna herself. And I was like, get out of here with that. I love that so good, incredible. Okay, this one, I would not say it's my fave, but I think it's a talked about one and I appreciate it. It was a departure from her normal basic black column gown look and it's Hailey er. Do you know what. I absolutely agree. I normally don't have particularly have time for her. And I'm like, I read because she's not a red carpet girl, she's a street style girl. Yeah, but I think she thinks she's a red carpet girl, and a lot of people, well, I don't know. I think I really like someone tell her that's fine, that's not her currency. No, I look, look, I don't really have much time for Haley Beaver. Fine, I said it, be careful saying that in these means streets Sydney. I know, Sydney shut down when she arrives. I know. I don't think I could say it outside the walls of the studio, but you have to come into witness protection. But I'm just yeah, I just never I disliked her. But I know what you mean, Like, we don't understand. We did a whole episode of this, and I don't think we got to an answer the huge intense love and the fandom around her and nothing bad, Like I understand. But the thing is, like, there's lots of beautiful young women who have beautiful style and beautiful makeup and skin and share their lives online and people love them. And I understand all that about her, but whatever it is about her and who have celebrity marriages and who come from vapor totally. Whatever it is about her that has kicked her up to like the highest tier of that is what. I'm not white. I don't know. I don't I've asked so many people who love her and they can't even explain it. They're like, I don't know, I just love her. Yeah, I don't know, that's it. I don't know what her secret source is, but that's it. I don't think other people can name it either. Something about it. They love her, and you know, for a lot of people that's enough. But I agree, normally I am so just like I can't even really bothered to check what she's wearing on her carpet, right, but I thought she looks so absolutely exquisite. The colors, I think is what it is. I mean, hopefully she'll wear color going forward because it does suit her. So she's sewing Saint Laurent, as you said many people are, and it's a beautiful sculpted bodice that has like the breast and stomach detail, which a lot of people, including Kim Kardashian, did to some extent. But the difference with hers is that her sculpted bodice piece with the boobs is made completely of twenty four carrot gold, which is crazy. And then you have long blue chiffon skirt and also the kind of flowing neck piece around her. And apparently she's wearing a gladiator sandal. Oh but we can't see it, but they were in the I know, we'll have to go look at the video. In the video, she'll she'll show them the dress pulls up and she's wearing like a gladiator sandal. Which I'm not against those coming back. No, neither neither. Fifteen year on me is thrilled. No, I've still I've still got some in my coh. I don't throw anything out. I've got everything. Okay, great, so you're gonna be insion, I can pull them out. Okay, I've got someone I want to talk about. Okay, I want to talk about Annicole. Okay, so also a co chair tonight. So she was their first. So she was she's a rule follower because she's a real follower and she's got good manners and she wants to greet everyone. So she turned up first. She's wearing Chanel, so she's part of the Friend of Chanell House of Chanelle. You know she's she's a Chanel girl. She's a Chanelle girl throwing through. I love this color on her. I think she looks so so beautiful in this color. There's been a lot of chatter about her hair though, Oh okay, so I don't know if I have strong thoughts about the hair. So the dress is like this beautiful almost like a burgundy glittering, high necked, long sleeve dress. Beautiful train, and then like almost like a lighter red pomp pom esque feather detail pieces. So that's all beautiful, and she's got the height and everything to wear that. Do people not like the long straight blonde people aren't loving the hair, What do they want like a bum? I don't know. I think I think you need the hair with that. It's because she looks like she looks like a medieval princess with the way she's standing almost, with the cut of the dress and everything, and with that kind of like almost like mystical etherean legend kind of vibe. You need that long, flowing golden hair. Yeah, it would have looked too almost like too prissy with like a bun or Yeah, I think so too. I don't have a problem with the hair either. But there's been a lot of chatter online and also in this office, we're really driving everyone, well, this is just talking to us instantly, and we've like literally, we're like taking notes and we're like, will be the expert. I said nothing out there to anyone, so I just nodded when everyone spoke to me that I'm coming in here and being like and she said this, and I was like, well, this is the actual story anyway. I don't think the hair is that bad. No, general, I'm shocked by that. Do you know whose hair I don't like? You tell me? Oh? And I did screen this across the office. Okay, I just want Gracie Aprams to stop cutting her hair. Oh my god. Everyone was getting upset but again ragging the office. Everyone was like, what's with her hair? And I was like, but isn't that her whole thing? Because you've got to pick more of a pixie cut now, but kind of, I'm short, it's so so short. And I loved her with long hair. Also, I did love her Chinel dress. She looked really really, she did look beautiful. I think she's trying to, like rile against that traditional pop girl look and have like an edgy haircut, but then she pairs it with a pretty dress, and I think it's like, she is so pretty, she's got the cheek brown. Just because you've got the cheek bones doesn't mean you have to do it rest. Just because you can have like a weird bob cut doesn't mean you should. But I also if anyone, if anyone can, it's her fair. Okay, faves again, we can talk about this forever. So one of my all time faves, not just tonight at the Metgala, but in all walks of life. One of my fashion queens Gwendol and Christie, who of course people loved as Briann of Tarth in Game of Thrones, but also in so many other things, including recently in Wednesday on Netflix. Yes she, I mean, the thing is, she's just so statuesque and beautiful, and she's wearing this deep red gown with almost like a fish a mermaid train one shoulder, this beautiful head piece. But what I loved is she has a mask of her own face that she was holding up to people as she walked past them. And the look was designed by Giles Deacon, who was of course her lover. Her lover since I think twenty thirteen, officially, having a hot, fashioned boyfriend also makes you dresses. Yes, the dream, actually the dream. Yeah, where is that man? For the rest of us? Absolutely socially as a tall lady, like it's so hard, like not just model tall, but like tall tall. It's so hard. Sometime many spillers that don't know this. Yeah, Laura Brodnick is very tall. I'm tall. I stood next to Doing Christy once and I was like, this is what I dream of because we're in Like, she's tall than me. I'm joking. Of course everyone knows you're tall because you tell tall time. No one cares about my tall issues. And I'm just saying, it's hard to find a really good dress, and her boyfriend made her one. That's true love. Okay. Someone else I wanted to shout out quickly before we get into the last few big moments was Lena Dunnam in her beautiful Valentino gown. Yes, she looks like she's an escape from an old school Las Vegas casino, but I love that for her. And she was nervous about going to the metgala. She wrote about it because her body has been ridiculed over the years. She's on a big high now with everyone loving her memoir, and I just quite like this Valentino look. I only the only thing I kind of wish is like maybe the feathers weren't completely covering her face, because that looks unintentional. I agree, there's there is too much feathering around the face, and it is like it's obscuring our view of her, and not in a way that it looks like it's meant to no, Like it's not like she's wearing like that's part of the dress for her face. Use she's She's like, I can't see. Probably, I'm like, can you imagine they're probably tickling her nose and she's trying to say stuck in her lip glass. So I love seeing as well the call back to the Valentino rockstud heels on her. So they were seen in the Devil Wes praa promo I'm Miranda and people were like, oh, she would never wear Valentino rockstud heels, blah blah blah blah blah. Now yes, Valentino rockstard heels are back. I love that shoe. I'm so excited to see it back. And there's like a modern twist on it too, which Lena's wearing. And I think she looks fabulous, which is one thing I did notice about Lena, and I don't like. Look. I always think, you know, when you see celebrities on red carpets and they look so perfect, the skin looks so perfect. I'm like, oh, there's a little bruise on her leg, And I feel like whenever I go to any event, I'm always like, oh, I'm not trying to cover up a bruise or something like that. I'm like, thank god, there's a bruise on the red cart. She's got a little bruising on her leg, and you know that's when she probably bumped it. If she's like me, she bruises just by getting out of the car at the met game. And she's got her leg out and she's got the shoe out and she looks hot. Look. I'm so here for for like Lena's comeback. I love her. I love the work she does. I thought too Much was fantastic last year. I'm excited for more Lena. You know who we need to talk about Rihanna, the lady who almost missed the Red car, The lady who almost missed the Red she saw arriving last, and she was like, you know what, girl, I'm going to leave my hotel when they're packing up the carpet, which I pretty I could honestly say that is what happened. They had to reroll that carpet for this girl because I think they were actually sitting down to dinner when Rihanna arrived. And I love being late too, but like, yeah, she was altly really late, and I look, people are given her rival times for the Red Carpet, so either Rihanna did not look, did not care, or saw her arrival time and when no, no, no, I'm Rihanna the only celect who could really do that pretty much. I mean, but no, that's not true because Madonna could have done that, Beyonce could have Like this was the where they work. Actually, those high level celebs there that do not care what rules they're given. No, and no one's gonna tell Rihanna, Beyonce or Madonna what to do. Did Rihanna win? I don't know, because she kind of missed the Red Carpet coverage, so I feel like there was this ripple of like Rihanna's coming and it's like, is she really coming because the red carpet coverage has ended. She came, She's there. I think she came. Maybe just there is such thing maybe as being like unfashionably late, maybe because the photographers like, we've missed your mom. Obviously her photos went everywhere, but you're right, the excitement was kind of everyone was in like the carpet's finished, and all the newsrooms like, and now we get our articles up. Now we finished getting our stories up, and so it was kind of like she was a late addition. So she's wearing Marjella to twenty twenty five, and it's almost like she's got a wreath around her head, but it's almost like a silver like crinkled metallic. It's like a done metal sort of yeah, and it's almost like it's wrapping around her like she's some sort of a sea creature, like she's been pulled into a whirlpool. That's my official fashion take on that. I like it. I'm happy to go with that. But yeah, I mean she looks great, and you know what the thing is that she just rocks up being like I'm here, take my photo. I'll go when I want, and you're lucky to have me. Yeah, and we are, and we exactly we are. I just want to ask her what's it like not to be a people pleaser because I can't relate to that. Yeah, Okay. The last person we're going to talk about was perhaps the most surprising yest of the evening. I don't think anyone was expecting her to show up, but Blake Lively arrived on the red carpet looking absolutely exquisite, and she is such a Met Gala staple, and this moment I can't describe it, like yes, that there were these huge entrances that were saying like Madonna, Beyonce, all these moments, but her arrival felt like a scene from a movie or a scene from gossip Girl, you know how, like gossip Girl always has, like it would always the episodes culminate a big event when someone who'd been shunned from society or blackmailed walks into the event and everyone's like, oh, I didn't think they were going to be here. So so truly, Lively at the Met Gala was a real life you can hear a moment, i'd we can hear it, like good evening for East. Oh I'm back, I'm back. Guess who was back? And she was back in a big way, and she looked like Serena. She had the Serena hair going. She just like had you know, I mean, she's barely aged a day since then. Somehow she looked absolutely glorious. I think everything about her look was again not calculated, but I think she knew that her arrival would make crazy headlines, and so everything she was wearing, the way she spoke, her accessories were all geared towards sharing a very particular message, which is that she wants people to forget about the legal battle with Justin Baldoni. She wants to forget about the smear campaign, forget about what the last few years have been, and just remember her as queen of the Met Gala and like the movie star she is. Yeah, whether or not that landed with everyone, but that was very clearly the message. Look at won't people are so divided over black lives in so many people are committed to hating her. But I do think that she went a long way tonight in showing like who she is, being confident as well, Like I love that she just was like I'm showing up, I'm giving it my all. I'm going to look absolutely stunning, and I'm going to have my head held high and do what I do best, which is create this moment, yeah, and be a fashion icon. And the timing was quite incredible because the statement had only come out a few hours earlier that she and Justin Baldoni in I think quite a surprising term of events, considering the coverage and how that court case was going, that they had settled out of court. They released between their companies a joint statement saying that the settlement had happened, that it was going to remain private, so there's a good chance we'll never know the details of this settlement between them. But their statement was very much like we're proud of our movie, we're proud of the message, and basically move on and let's not let's pretend this never happened, which for the coverage that court case has got in the last few years and the fact that she did a tell all with the New York Time, and then he had a live website where he uploaded all his material on her, like the most public legal battle we've ever seen, and then them releasing a joint statement saying it's been settled. Away from the cameras, please don't talk about it. And then hours later her attending the biggest red carpet of the year, and there wasn't like you there's almost like an audible gasp from the crowd because she was there, and she hasn't been to the Met Gala for four years, and before that she was one of the queens of the Met Gala always you know, the big dress, the co chairing the event, best dressed, all those things. And then she came in and the gown is incredible. Some people thought again throwing me off to some of the bus. Some people thought it was too prince SSSI. But that's her look, right, that's her look. And it was actually really nice to see a PRINCESSI dress all the carpet, like you know, it's like the fantasy and it looks so beautiful. It was a two thousand and six Vasace dress archival piece. They had like reimagined it. They added a bit of fruit. They did had a bit of fruit at the end. And they're in like stunning pastor colors as like peaches and pale pis and violets, and it's so so pretty. The beating is gorgeous. When you look at the dress as well, like structurally around the skirt, it's so amazing, Yeah, paneling. She just looks so pretty in it. Her hair like the you know, it was like classic black life, classic curls, a huge train, jewels dripping off her. Just that idea like what the fashion girls would hate, like too much, but too much in a perfect way. And then I saw her. She think Tuney did one interview that I could see, and she did seem nervous, and I think she was really she was rushing out kind of like all the details of the design of the dress, the importance of it. She was crediting all the artists that she'd worked with, and in a way where she really wanted to be like, I'm just up here for the designer. I'm here for the artists, not here for me. But then she was also carrying this custom Judith liber bag and it had four sides to it, and each of the sides was a different artwork by one of her four children. Now there's some people out there that are like and the statement from Liba was, we love working with Blake. She's so creative. She's such an incredible like visionary. This is a beautiful tribute to her family and she was talking about her kids on the red carpet. Then there's the cynical people who was like, oh, look at her using her kids to distract from the fact that people hate her, Like she's trying to like use being a mother to like just you know, kind of like quiet in the noise. And I think that's probably a step too far. Look, I think it's a step too far, But I do think it's like it's such a safe conversation to have. So while I don't think that it was to kind of distract from the people who like, you know, she can't control that anyway, But what she can do when she's nervous and understandably so, is have a conversation on the red carpet that she feels comfortable with. She's in like an area where she feels good to talk about it. Yeah, And of course that's her children, and she's always talked about her children and brought them into her interviews and her life and everything like that. So you know, it felt correct for her, and it was always going to be a polarizing moment of her arriving. But look, I loved it because I love the drama. That's what the met gal is about the fashion, the drama, And what I think is so interesting is that of everyone that came and every headline at every moment, the one that everyone is going to be talking about is yeah, exactly, And what a way to re enter society post the legal dramas, but also to do it so quickly. Yeah. Day of She's like, we're not wasting any time. I'm back on the radar back. Do you think she would have gone had it not been finalized? No? I think she went because it was fine. They were able to get the settlement happened. They were able to agree on a joint statement and get it out on the day, which makes me think like was it targeted for the day or were they just scrambling at the last moment. I don't think she would have walked with that hanging over her head, because then she would have been seen as like a victim, and at least in this a victim either of people who support her or don't, Like there would have been a negative energy around her. At least with this, there's like this finality to it, like that is over and this is my new chapter. Like a debutante, she's reintroducing herself to society. And you know what, I'm so glad because it would have been such a shame if that dress had had to stay hanging in the Versace Itelier instead of being able to be on that carpet exactly. And that's what the day is about. That is what the day is about. Thank you for listening to The Spill today. Make sure you're following us on Instagram and TikTok to see all the looks that we covered today. The Spill is produced by Manicius Warren with video production by Michael Keane and we will see you next time. Bye bye, LaBecome a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

FULL MET GALA DEBRIEF DROPS IN THIS FEED AT 5PM The Met Gala is happening right now — and we’re breaking the rules to bring you a special pre-game episode before the full debrief drops later today.In this mini episode, we’re getting you across everything you need to know before the red carpet chaos fully unfolds — from this year’s theme and what it actually means, to the celebrities who aren't there (and why that matters more than you think).Plus, the controversy already brewing behind the scenes — including the backlash surrounding Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sánchez’s involvement, the politics creeping into fashion’s biggest night, and the quiet celebrity boycott that could define the entire event.This is your essential Met Gala 2026 primer — because later today, we’re coming back with the full deep dive: every look, every headline, and every moment everyone will be talking about.Love binge-watching TV? 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Send us a voice message or email us at thespill@mamamia.com.au and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast. From Mamma Mia.00:02Speaker 2 Welcome to The Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm Tiner Burk, and welcome to a history making episode of The Spill. Because in the six years I've been hosting this podcast, we've never done this before. So Tina, it's a big day for you to be here. So what is happening If you hear the frantic energy in our voices, the flutter in our hearts, just we're in the midst of right now, in real time, in the midst of the twenty twenty six Met Gala.00:29Speaker 3 Absolutely wild time's happening here.00:31Speaker 2 So we're in the studio. The flurry of the red carpet is still happening outside. And here's the thing about the Met Gala, guys, I'm know if anyone else is across this, there's a lot of celebrities there.00:40Speaker 1 There's a lot of dresses.00:41Speaker 2 And we know we normally drop out big episode, like our full episode every day at three pm. That has been the rule. But today we're breaking the rules slightly. So we're coming to you now with a little teaser. So I hope you didn't look at the time and say, oh my God, their Metgala episode is fifteen minutes. Guys, my intros are fifteen minutes. We could ever so never fear. The full Met Garlett episode is actually dropping in the spill feed later today, but we needed time to do boots on the ground, or at least boots on the Getty on the Getty video images to make sure that we saw all the dresses that we could bring you a full recap that we were across all the celebrity drama, we were across the interviews, we were across just all the bits and pieces, so that we're not bringing you half an episode exactly. I would never It is a long red carpet. It kicks off at eight and it goes to a lunch time like it's a long deal, you know. And yeah, and spoiler alert for I guess how that what if Merrel Streeps said me the other day named us how the sausage is made behind the scene. Is that we normally record at eleven, which means we would have missed all the dresses. So we're coming to you today with just a little update to tide you over of what you can expect in our Met Garlett episode. Because what we do know so far, so we're coming to you from the past. We don't know what's going to happen. Like a ghost of Christmas Pass. That's the ghost of Metgala's pass. We don't know what's going to happen yet. But it's kind of shaping up to be a bit controversial, is that right, Teterburg?02:06Speaker 3 It is The Metgala's never without its controversy, especially in recent years. I think as us normal people have gotten more of a glimpse into it on social media. We now understand the cost tickets to go are upwards of one hundred thousand dollars. For like all of the famous stars you see walking the carpet, the clothes they're wearing are worth hundreds of thousands, if not millions sometimes of dollars. The diamonds, the jewels, all of it. It's so luxurious and beautiful, Yes, and I understand why it exists, But for so many people they look at it and they go, what a privilege and waste of money while real people are struggling. And that has really come to a head this year due to the honorary coachairs Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez Bezos. So according to page six, Jeff and Lauren would have paid about ten million dollars to be named honorary coachairs, and that basically means nothing, Like being an honorary coacher doesn't mean anything. It's not like the others who have actual roles in deciding what happens. It's just a title to show like your contribution to the culture. So basically Jeff and Lauren have been like accused of buying their way into the culture, with which I think is kind of fair. Yeah, but I do think that's what's happened here. But there's like an anti oligarch, anti tech activist group called Everyone Hates Elon, and they have been like blasting New York City with papers about boycott the Bezos met Baal. There's all of these signs going up that are anti Amazon, anti Jeff Bezos. And at the same time, also what's happening in New York is that the New York Maya Zoron Mum Danny is going to be like the first New York City first couple to not go to the met Gala, and he's made a statement of like he's looking forward to spending his time focused on making like affordability his priority in the most expensive city in the United States, and he said that's what I'm looking forward to spending my time focused on on the first Monday in May.03:45Speaker 1 So so fair.03:47Speaker 3 Quite a time period in which to be doing it. So it's made a lot of political discourse pop up about Jeff Bezos and we're definitely going to see I think more of it on the carpet as it keeps unfolding.03:57Speaker 2 Yes, So that has caused a bit of a rift in the fashion community, with some people in the fashion community saying we're just not going this year, We're going to sit it out, and then there's some roomored people like, people like is that why Meryl Streep's not going?04:09Speaker 1 Is that why end Days not going?04:11Speaker 2 I mean, neither of those women is ever going to confirm nor deny anything.04:14Speaker 3 But very interesting timing because Zendea's been seven years straight and this is the one she's sitting out of and she's around at the moment that much. We know she's on a lot of press tours for her film, so it actually would be a great year for her to go.04:25Speaker 2 Well, yes, but also she is going to have five massive red cars environments this year. That are all her. Whole carpet at every event is all about her. So maybe she thought this year she doesn't have to go. Maybe she's trying to pull a bit of a Beyonce because Beyonce is going to the met Gala this year for the first time since twenty sixteen, so for first time in ten years, and that is one of the reasons that Beyonce has her level of fame. Obviously she's talented and beautiful and all those things, but she's become so elusive.04:53Speaker 3 Yeah, she knows when to pull back.04:55Speaker 1 A sighting of her is like seeing like a like a what's an animal that's extinct? Nicon?05:00Speaker 2 Yeah, well never Yeah, I was gonna say unicorns are extinct.05:03Speaker 3 I didn't know you were going to say extinct, and unicorn came out before you were done.05:06Speaker 2 I was gonna say, wow, what why were we doing a podcast on that?05:09Speaker 1 But it feels like breaking news.05:11Speaker 2 I was going to say, like a Tasmanian devil or something like that still look or a Dodo bird if you saw one of those.05:18Speaker 1 This is not a wildlife podcast. If you saw one of those, you'd be like, wow, no one ever sees that.05:22Speaker 2 That's Beyonce. That is Beyonce because she's so she doesn't need the press. No, she's beyond press. Yeah, well she's beyond so maybe yeah. And I feel like Zenda is going in that way too, absolutely beyond the press as well.05:32Speaker 1 Yeah for sure.05:33Speaker 3 And like Beyonce's joined by Nicole Kidman, Venus Williams, and Anna Wintour as the co chairs, which means they're kind of like as well as the hosting committee in charge of like figuring out the theme, the guest list, like who's coming all of that jazz. They do have an involved role, the co chairs and the honorary Hosting Committee, which is like fifty celebrities. Yeah, the honorary So like the co chair committee, which I didn't even realize is the thing.05:54Speaker 1 It's the host committee.05:55Speaker 2 Do we think that they're like getting on a zoom or this sting on a table and someone's bringing snacks and someone's taking notes. I would love to be a fly on the wall for this because the host committee is Sabrina Carpenter, Doja Cat, Tiana Taylor.06:06Speaker 1 Even just those three, I'd be like, girls, I'll play in the event. You guys just gossip.06:12Speaker 2 Lisa from Black Pink, Elizabeth de Becky and Lina Dunham. And also this feels like very kind of prom king and queen. Yeah if you were like school captains in Australia. Is that the host committee? They have two leaders and they are Anthony Vecacalo and Zoe Kravitz.06:28Speaker 1 Yeah, why I sell power Doer. Yeah.06:30Speaker 3 Yeah, it's going to be really interesting as well, Like I would love to be a fly on the wall and be like, so what.06:35Speaker 1 Do you guys talk about?06:36Speaker 2 It needs to make a mockumentary about the met Gala hosting committee. Can you imagine like the side threads and the side chats and like WhatsApp groups and stuff that are happening away from the main thread.06:46Speaker 3 I do feel like the person who's up for that job is Mindy Kaling because she was involved in The Ocean's Eight when they pretended to rob the met Gala, and that felt like someone's insights who had really been there, And Mindy goes sometimes I reckon she could write us a little bit.06:58Speaker 1 Oh my god, Mindy Kaling, please make that happen. How good?07:01Speaker 2 Even if you don't want to make it a documentary, you could fictionalize it, but we can tell who you know, like a blonde Dove Cameron like plays Sabrina Carpenter and like so on and so forth, you know what I mean, Like we can tell who's who?07:13Speaker 1 Yes, that would have been nice. Actually, that's fine.07:15Speaker 2 I love our fan fiction. Maybe that's what we'll dorn the Met this year, which is fan fiction.07:18Speaker 1 Of the Malla. That would be delicious.07:21Speaker 2 The theme this year, I love it. Every year everyone debates the theme, but most people are unsure what it is. I feel like Sarah Jessica Parker is the only one who really goes in on the theme. Yes, we haven't heard she's going this year, but she is usually on the red carpet the Met, and she puts so much time and effort. She reads like books, she interviews people, she goes deep on it. And then other people are just like, well they said something blah blah blah gardens, so I'm a flower. Yeah, so wait, fair enough fair And then hers is like, oh, you know, the lace from my dress is like mimics the poem that was yeah from the Zeer blah bla blah.07:56Speaker 3 Yeah, and you know what really highlighted that was the Sleeping Beauty. Yeah, like that year some people like, I don't know what they were doing. They were really just garden rose in spied outfits. And then yeah, other people were like, well they read this fairy tale from this point in time and the fashion referenced. Yeah, it separates the true art.08:11Speaker 1 I love that.08:12Speaker 2 So this year's theme is Costume Art, which is named after the new exhibition YEA, and the dress code for the met Gala is fashion is Art and so on. The invitation it said guests are invited to explore their relationship to fashion as an embodied art form and celebrate depictions of the dressed body throughout art history. Yeah, I'm going to say five people are going to do that last bit. Everyone else is going to go Art. Just means that you could really go with a very easy, avant garde, crazy over the top. I wondered it would be like the year was Camp and people were just dressing crazy outfits.08:43Speaker 1 Yeah.08:43Speaker 3 So Andrew Bolton, the curator of the Like Costume Institute, he was like, I do worry people might take the theme literally and come as a painting. Like he knows, he's like someone's total He actually said, he was like, I'm scared someone's gonna come as like that Campbells suit painting Katy Perry.08:58Speaker 1 I was gonna say Katy Perry. Well, I was like, let's not slam Katie Perry lesser.09:02Speaker 3 But the year she came as a burger, it was like widely reported that Anna Winter was like what the hell?09:06Speaker 1 Yeah? And Wint was like, when I made this the event of the year, that's not what I meant to.09:10Speaker 3 No, it's not meant to be a dress up thing like it is, but in a very different way.09:14Speaker 1 Yeah. But I found it.09:15Speaker 3 Really interesting because he's spoken at length about like the exhibition and they've split it into like thirteenth thematic body type, so there's like pregnant bodies, aging, disabled, variations on nudity, and they said, like the exhibition has two hundred sculptures and artworks alongside two hundred garments and accessories, So it's about bodies that have been marginalized in fashion and ones that haven't been valorized in either fashion or Western culture. And I found it really interesting because he was like a lot of the development's fashion has made over the last few years have really eroded, and I don't feel like we're seeing as much diversity on the runway as we were seeing. So it's a very interesting time with a lot of the discoss that we are having about famous people's bodies and bodies on runways and men magazines and in movies at this time for this exhibit. But I do think the theme goes over a lot of people's heads. Sometimes, I'm not going.10:00Speaker 2 To pay a lot of people and we'd already know we're just going to see it like a full sea of very very thin bodies at the met Gala, because it's a representation of who's in fashion and entertainment at the moment, and that's who's in fashion and.10:12Speaker 1 Entertainment at the moment.10:13Speaker 2 So I don't think there'll be any sort of body diversity. I feel like that conversation is dead and buried to the detriment of us as a society. And Andrew Bolton in his exhibit, yeah exactly. But I'm interessed to see what a lot of people wear. I'm interested about how Kim Kardashian is gonna vier because she got to a point where the first couple of years after the whole debacle, when she was pregnant and she will the flower rose gown and.10:36Speaker 1 Everyone always quite like that. It was quite nice too. This is me think he tell us of dress as well. I don't know anything.10:41Speaker 2 It's just that she was heavily pregnant and people just pretend that they like that, but they don't. And after that, she just went through many years of just wanting to look pretty because I think she was trying to be accepted. And then she got into an interesting place of the stunt dressing with the Marilyn Monroe look and the wet look, beaded gown like my waist defires human measurements, yeah, and the walking with her face covered, so her silhouette spoke to everything. So there was all that, and the last few years with like the pearl dress and even like the Garden one where she had the cardigan and that was her stunt and people just thought that her dress broke beforehand, when was just not what happened. And now she's in an interesting space whether she's either going to have to just decide she's not stunt dressing anymore and she's going to go down the path of just looking like pretty in chic, or she's going to lean further into stunt dressing. And I hope it's that one and that's what it means to be because she looks just beautiful every other night of the year. But I think she cares less about being beautiful now because she knows she's beautiful, yeah, and she cares more about getting a good headline.11:36Speaker 3 And it was like when she did the sort of water droplet dress like the gal yeah, and like that was the camp year, right, and everyone was like, this is in camp, this is ridiculous, But actually she was one of the ones who understood the dress codes the most, and when you looked into how the dress was made and like the skill set that had gone into it and like what it represented, she was actually one of the ones who got it right. 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Speaker 4: And I think that's what people think of when they think of you and me. They're just like, we're. Speaker 1: Too cool for school. Speaker 2: And meanwhile we're like, we rely on achievement for something. But it would be funny. I think. So the podcast Awards the end of this month, right the twenty eight. I believe I would like to win this award. While Jesse's on Matt lead, I think. Speaker 1: You want to just wade right into that weird Steven's Sister dynamic. Just get into the weird Twin stuff. Come in and help. I think there's a people's choice too, So anyway, like just vote for us, vote for wherever you get to vote for us, and we would love it. We can't bribe you with anything except our affection. Yeah, yeah, anyway, shall we get on with the friends over to you, Amelia Lester, I'm up. Speaker 3: Well, it's been hard to escape the Devil Wears prior to of, like, really has it has been everywhere? Speaker 4: I kind of felt like bullied into going to see it. Speaker 1: I feel like Merril's chasing us down with that red pitchfork. She's like, literally, go theater on and look. Speaker 4: It's done really well. Speaker 3: It's done better than anyone expected at the box office over the weekend. I'm going to tell you what the critics said. They basically liked it, and then I want to know what you thought, Holly Claire. I know you haven't seen it yet. Yeah, the critics praised it. They said it was glamorous, they said it was wishy, They said it was the fun we need right now. They called it a millennial nostalgia bath. I love a millennial nostalgia brath. Look, some did question the whole premise of updating a movie that came out twenty years ago. Someone wrote it's less a follow up than a tribute at the satire apparently didn't bite so hard. Speaker 4: Holy. What I want to know. Speaker 3: Is did this movie live up to the marketing height machine for you? Speaker 1: I don't want to be a debbie down of it. No, I went to see it with my sixteen year old daughter, and that was really interesting because the absolute enormous generation gap there in terms of so this is a magazine. Once upon a time, magazine editors were considered very important and influential. She's like, this was a job everybody wanted. That was a lot of groundwork being laid there with my daughter. And look, I'm not allergic to a nostalgia bath. I like that. I mean I back in the day, I was first in line for the Sex and the City movie like I was. Speaker 4: And the vibes were similar. Speaker 1: And even though as we know, that run of movies ended up disappointing us bitterly, in that first movie, I remember the excitement of seeing those women on screen again and being in the movie theater and seeing them walk down the street and like the audience was kind of like, yeah, there's a girl, and we're back in that world. And I think the Devil Wears Prada nostalgia is similar in that these were great characters who've entered, you know, our culture in lots of different ways. Miranda Priestley and Andy Sex and Emily Blunt's character Emily is just heaven. So I understand that wanting to jump back into that, but they've had to give it quite a cynical update to reflect where media culture is now, and so it ends up to me feeling like quite a negative, like it's not and to be honest, the Sex and the City movie was a bit like this too. I remember they were grappling at the time of the financial crisis and so they were like, this cushion costs two hundred and fifty dollars, and lots of the critics were like, who are these women and why are they spending that money? And this feels a bit like that, and that we're supposed to all be lolling and laughing along while they're telling us our media has been hollowed out, billionaires run everything. Speaker 4: I don't know. Speaker 1: Am I being a bit too cynical? No? Speaker 4: I think you're right. Speaker 3: When I went to see it, I went to see it with two friends and they both turned to me at the end and said, are you all right? Because I kind of feel on the verge of tears and didn't Nicki Gammel, Yes. Speaker 1: I saw a review from Nicki Gammel in The Australian where she said, she cried, And she didn't cry because the plot line was really touching it. She cried because of what it was saying. Yea journalism, which is obviously not everybody's industry and they don't care. But if it is yours, you have this kind of affection for it, and this does not dress that up. Speaker 5: No. Speaker 3: And what's interesting is Lauren Weisberger, who wrote who wrote the book, The Devil was Prida a piece for Vogue dot Com on the occasion of this movie coming out about what her life has been like after that book came out. Now, that book was not seen particularly favorably when it came out. People criticize the bad writing. It was kind of seen as a little bit mean, a little bit throwaway, and then that first movie kind of gave the book a bit more of a sheene than it had on first publication. Now, Lauren Weisberger has done great for herself. She apparently announces in this article that she now lives on a boat in a remote part of the Bahamas, which is good for me. Absolutely sounds difficult to get your mail there, but other than that sounds delightful. But her article reminded me that her book was first and foremost about a bad boss. Yes, that's what people loved about it because everyone, practically everyone has been in a work situation where they felt oppressed underappreciated, and everyone could relate to that kind of idea that when you're young, you want to make your mark on the world, but older people kind of are trying to push you down, or that's what it feels like. So everyone knows what it feels like to be young and underappreciated, but the new movie is so far removed from that idea of bad bosses and bad workplaces as it feels alien to. Speaker 1: It's also funny because the bad Boss, Miranda Priestley, obviously became a cultural hero, so much so that Anna Wintour, who she's famously based on, kind of kept her distance very much from the first movie, but now is entirely in on it. She's appearing in all the promo. There's a lot of partnerships between Vogue and this movie, so she's accepted that. But there are a couple of nods in the movie to how times have changed in that now Miranda Priestley isn't allowed to just throw her coat at people anymore, and she has someone who sits next to on the meetings and says things like you can't say that all the time, as if there has been like a woke update, if you like. And that feels a bit funny, But you're right, it was everybody related to this idea that these people are monsters like glamour. Speaker 6: Like. Speaker 1: The idea was that, you know, the Miranda Priestley was kind of a glamorous monster who you got to see a little bit of the humanity of. But by this movie, we're all supposed to be rooting for her, unquestionably. Speaker 2: Because I think even if that was the kind of premise of the book, in the first movie, you're very much you're looking at Miranda Priestley, but you're also it's obvious that she's an icon and that it's Andy's character arc to kind of fight against that, not that there's something inherently wrong with Miranda. So so I'm interested to see in the second in the second one, whether, yeah, what the stakes are then if there's none of that tension. But as much as you say it was depressing, am I like because I'm going to go see it. I like a film that isn't good. Speaker 1: I don't know what you mean, but for me it felt and look, I'm not no spoilers here. And you do get lots of fashion montages, you get lots of a fashion show montages. You get you know, they're walking in a different coat every two minutes, there's music, there's celebrities everywhere like this. It delivers all that, okay, but it just for me, it felt kind of a bit empty. And basically the steaks are which billionaire is going to get to own this business? Which was kind of the stakes the first time around two is like will Miranda get to keep a job? And it kind of feels like I don't know if I care about that. But Patrick Brammel, isn't it Remember last Wednesday we were all giddy on the show because he was here and we bumped into him in the offices. He wasn't here to see us, sadly, he was here to be interviewed by the amazing Kate Langbrook for No Filter, and that episode's out today. Speaker 2: I have purely been absorbed being vibes so far online and I think you guys are pretty spot on with the vibe of people. People I've seen they're like, yeah, yep, fun But Patrick Brammel. I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed with him and Harriet Dyer, who's his wife. They co wrote, co starred in Colin from Accounts, and now he's. Speaker 4: Maybe one of the funniest TV shows ever. Speaker 2: Yeah, and now he's in a bloody Hollywood movie with Anne Hathaway. Is he hot? Is he car like? What's the what's the go? Is there? Is there? Speaker 4: Bare? So I want to. Speaker 3: Say the outset that I love Patrick Bramore and I think he's so good in this movie. And to me he was a highlight. He was he was just so he gets to play an Australian. So you might remember in the first movie, Andy Sack's love interest is also played by an Australian, Simon Baker, my personal friend has discussed on the show, but he has to put on an American accent, whereas in this one, in recognition of the fact that there are a lot of Australians in New York these days, he gets to play an Australian. So I loved it, But then I started to hear the rumors that his part has really been cut down. People observed that it felt a little underdeveloped, and I. Speaker 4: Was surprised to read that. Speaker 3: A lot of the reviews felt there was zero chemistry between him and Anne Hathaway. Oh. Speaker 1: I didn't feel that necessarily, But what I did fit I knew that his part had been cut. And the reason I knew this is because when we first found out about Patrick Brammle, there lots of pap of him and Anne Hathwayne. She's wearing this particularly incredible sort of bluey purple sequin slithery dress that's just like oh, and she was like spinning around a lamp post and it looked like she was tipsy, and he was holding her back and this kind of stuff. That whole sequence is not in the film, so it obviously has been cut back a lot. Speaker 3: Boy, I love your forensic knowledge of this so bad. Speaker 1: I did spy on that. But I think one of the reasons why he plays such a small part because basically he's the love interesting Again, no spoilers about whether or not that works out, But this movie is about girl bosses. Even though girl bosses are out of fashion now, this movie is ultimately about that. It's about Andy's ambition, It's about Miranda's ambition. They sort of talk a lot about how much they love work, and they're the partners are all a bit beta and a bit like not relevant. Speaker 3: Including by the way, Meryl Streeps, who was played by Kenneth Branner. Yes, and the reviews also commented that that didn't work for them either. So maybe just the writing around these boyfriends and husbands felt hollow because that's not where the interests lay. Speaker 1: But isn't it funny because we used to critique girlfriend roles, you know in movies. We'd be like, oh, the so and so actress, she just has to play the girlfriend. Not no character development, right, no particular complex characteristics or backstory. They're just the girlfriend. And I feel like this and so maybe this is progress. This is one of those movies where there are just the boyfriend roles. Speaker 4: So it's just like true sort of. Speaker 1: Middle aged guy. Well, I don't know whether Patrick Brewmle will qualify as middle age whatever, like nice enough age appropriate guy of name recognition is in this person's life, but we don't really care about them. Speaker 2: There is one person who is pretty convinced that there was chemistry between Anne Hathaway and Patrick Brammel, and it is Patrick Brammle's wife, Harriet Dyer. She I lulled so hard at this. She has uploaded this Instagram video where the caption is trust No One, and she is filming her TV as her daughter stands in front of it, and Patrick's on a red carpet and he is asked by the interviewer about Anne Hathaway, and he says, playing someone who falls in love with Anne Hathaway. Tough gig, tough gig, and he looks straight at the camera, and then the interviewer says, the world's most beautiful person according to People Magazine and everybody in here, and he says, and me too. Andy rewinds it and plays that again and then switches a camera to her and she's like what, And she's got her glasses on and just sitting at home, and then she interspersed it with all this footage of like when you propose to her their wedding. Speaker 4: Apparently they got engaged five days after he proposed. Speaker 2: Yeah, yea, yeah, they got married five days up. Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 2: It was like, so they've had this beautiful love story in him reading Newborn books and being miscored and hath the way talking about how gorgeous and joyful he is, and it's just so good But a great part that Amelia directed me to is that so ninety nine percent of the comments from Australians absolutely get it. That they're like, yeah, this is funny because like whose husband ends. Speaker 4: Up in Hollywood? Speaker 2: Blod faster. But there are a few Americans who are like, oh no, this is this isn't right. Speaker 5: Yeah. Speaker 3: No, there's a distinct portion of the comments that are like I don't understand what's happening here, or like check on your husband, or like just completely missing the point. And I have reason to believe, in part from the spelling of said comments that they may be from Americans. There's a suspicious lack of us in words like coloring. And that got me thinking as to why Patrick Bramle, who I thought worked so well in the movie, had evidently been cut down. And I wonder if it's just because he is allowed to play such a quintessentially Australian part in it. He is very laconic, he's very understated, he's got that very kind of irony seeped Australian wit about him, and maybe it just didn't play very well in a movie that's actually not very irony drench. Speaker 1: That's true. I just have to mention one more thing, because I think Mia would throw something at my head if I didn't. Twenty years have passed between these movies. Twenty years has not passed on these ladies' faces. Yeah, it's just be very clear about that. Speaker 2: I could have told you that without saying any Yeah. Speaker 1: That doesn't matter because in lots of ways, I think particularly Emily Brunt Blunt's character she plays, she's obviously still Emily, you know, the former assistant, but she's got a villain arc in this and she is meant to be again, this isn't a spoiler, the hot new girlfriend of a billionaire character. So they're like commenting. The script is commenting on the fact that the tech bros run the world now, and there's kind of a Bezosi character who's had a glow up in her hot new girlfriend, and she would have done all that stuff to her face. Question so perfectly character, you know, in character, and appropriate for the industry, for the vibe and all those things. But it is astounding to think it was twenty years ago. Because Anne Hathaway, Meryl Streep, who is just one of them. Speaker 2: She seventy, She is incincredible. Speaker 1: To look at her Jita performance and this is great. You're just like, Wow, my twenty years and your twenty is not the same. Maybe I live in doggy well, Meryl. Speaker 3: I did want to also say that Meryl had a great moment in her interviews for this She was being interviewed on the American Today Show by Jenna Bush Hager, who was incidentally George W. Bush's daughter, and Jenna was talking to her about the fact that she initially turned down the. Speaker 4: Role on the Devil Wes product Let's Have a Listen called me up and they made an offer and I said, no, I'm not going to do it. Why because I. Speaker 1: Wanted to see. I knew it was going to be a hit, and I wanted to see if I doubled my ask. Wow, And they went. Speaker 4: Right away and said sure, And I thought, I'm fifty six year It took me this long to understand that. Speaker 1: I could do that, that you can ask for what you want. Yes, and I wanted it. But you know, if they didn't want to do that, I was okay, because I'm old. I'm ready to fifty six. Speaker 4: I was ready to retire. Speaker 1: But you know, I love that story. I also love that story because, as she says at the end, there she was fifty six, and she thought, well, I'm winding down, you know, like good years. Her career has been unbelievably amazing in the last twenty years. Speaker 3: I know. Speaker 2: And it's also quite inspiring to think you can have that lightning rod moment at fifty six, because I beat myself up thinking, oh goodness, maybe it's too late for me. I should have had it backbone before. Now I've got some time. Speaker 4: We've got time time to develop it. Speaker 1: Merril's shown us all that after the break. What Harry Styles can teach us about love? I don't think so what Harry Styles can teach us about taxicabs, which I also have to explain to my daughter what they are as well. God help me. But while we're on a roll of things from another time, A TV show that ended in two thousand and four has provided some of the most enduring relationship theories of several eras. I think there was He's just not that into you, which can also be She's not just not that into you. It's fine, And the other is everywhere in the news this week because of my close personal friend Harry Styles. I think we touched on it last week that Harry and Harry is engaged to Zoe Kravitz. Now, he hasn't said that because he never says anything about his personal life, but sources close to have confirmed. Speaker 4: Oh good, old sources. Speaker 1: The woman is wearing a golf ball sized diamond on her finger. It's on. It's definitely on. And this has started a lot of headlines like this one. Harry Styles and Zoe Kravitz are reportedly engaged after less than a year, and fans think this wild theory explains why, and they mean the theory I'm about to explain to you. Harry Styles proposing after eight months is further proof that taxi cab theory is real and none of us are safe. Okay, are you across what taxi cab theory is? Speaker 2: Yes, I'm across it from Sex and the City. As you say, I believe it was a bit of Miranda Wisdom. Speaker 1: Oh no, it was Miranda brand I'm about to play it to you. Yeah, Season three, episode eight. This iconic statement the wait. Speaker 2: Hedge, it's fate. Speaker 4: It's not fate. Speaker 5: His light is on, that's all what lights. Men are like cabs. When they're available, their life goes on. They wake up one day and they decide they're ready to settle down, have babies, whatever, and they turn their light on the next woman they pick up them. Speaker 2: That's the one, Mary. Speaker 5: It's not fake. It's dumb luck. Speaker 1: It's not fake, it's dumb luck, so says Miranda Hobbs. Now, obviously none of us, not even me with my close relationship to missus Steals, knows whether or not there's any truth to this in terms of their relationship. But the reason that it's being applied to him is because it has one of the classic characteristics of taxi cab theory, which is that he has had quite a lot of high profile relationships. And when I say high profile again, he's never mentioned any of them ever, but there are photographic evidence. Speaker 4: Is that right? Speaker 1: He doesn't talk. Speaker 2: About his was his most recent one before. Speaker 1: So he was with Taylor Russell, who's a British actress, for quite a long time. He obviously famously dated Taylor Swift. Yeah, he was with Olivia Wilde for quite a long time. He's dated Kendall Jenna, He's dated Caroline Flack, He's dated a lot of people. Speaker 3: Can I just interrupt Holly and ask do you think he's going to come to the tailor swift wedding now that he's engaged to no should wedding guests. Speaker 1: I we really hope so that wedding is going to be the best. The reason why they're applying this theory to him is they're saying that a trademark of a taxi cab the taxi cab theory, And I don't think this is just a men thing. I think this is men and women. Is that you know, you date lots of people and you try them all on and whatever, and the theory is that one of them is right for you. But taxi cab theory says it's not that one of them is right for you, it's that the timing is right for you. And they're saying that's why Zoe and another trademark of it is quick. So you've been dating, dating, dating, dating quite long relationships a year here, two years here, three years there, whatever, But then eight months he has been dating Zoe that we know of, he puts a ring on it. Taxi cab theory thoughts. Speaker 2: From the outside, he's looking ready to settle down, and so we all then assume that he's gone, Okay, who am I? Who am I next to right now? Who do I happen to be at dinner with? Speaker 1: Oh? Speaker 2: I happen to be with Zoe kra which is Bloody Convey, which. Speaker 1: Is a very good dinner because, as I discussed, absolutely amazing. Speaker 2: She's incredible. But the way at least this article was constructed was very much that it was about him and his readiness. And the thing I worry about is that do we start thinking if we use this theory, do we start thinking that someone is only with somebody because of timing, that it's interchangeable, it could have been anyone. It's not real, it's not a real life. Speaker 1: I don't think that's the correct way to view taxi cab theory. I think it's not about you'll do, it's that the timing is right. And the reason they're not applying it to Zoe Kravitz is because she's been married before and she's been engaged before, so it doesn't apply to her in the same way, do you know what I mean? So my theory on this, and the reason why I think it's true not for everybody, like everything isn't for everybody, is that we like to have a romantic narrative that there's one right person for us, and whether we meet them when we're nineteen or fifty nine, we will just know that's the right person for us. That's it. And what taxicab theory says is that's not true. There could be lots of right people for you, but in order for you to to get together and settle down in verted commas, you have to it has to be the right timing. So other examples for this might be Taylor and Travis. Right if they'd have met at twenty two, because at the same age, would we not have any of these beautiful songs that we have for Taylor, Or if they'd have met when they're twenty two, would the timing not have been right for them both to commit in the way that they are now ready to commit. So in my mind, taxicab theory doesn't mean you're settling or it's the wrong person. It just means timing is everything. So the people I dated before I met my guy, if you're a serial monogamist, and many of us are, we like to go, well, none of those people were right, This one's right. But the truth of it is is probably like that one probably would have been fine, but if we weren't ready, I don't. Speaker 2: Know it's by romantic sensibility. Speaker 3: I think I sort of agree with both of you a little bit, and agree with both of you a little bit because I think what the taxicab theory misses is it makes it very one sided, now, whether that side is a man or a woman. I take your point, Holly that even though sex and city talks about men are like cabs, we could equally apply to women. But a relationship is about a dynamic between two people. And what I think this theory overstates is that it's just about one person picking another person. And I don't think that's how relationships work. I don't think a relationship works or like ends in marriage. And I'm using air quotes here for anyone listening, just because one person decided, Yes, this is the person I'm going to make it work. It's about two people meeting and deciding together. And that's what's different about when you get in a cab. It's not about a mutual decision. Speaker 4: It's about one person deciding. Speaker 1: I agree. But the way that I've always thought of taxi cab theories, you both have to have your lights on, do you know what I mean, like, you have to both have your lights on for the timing to work. If one of you has the light on and the other one doesn't, it's not going to work. You both have to have your lights on. Speaker 3: I feel like that was what was really You know, we've been talking on this show about what happens over twenty years, and I think that that line from Sex and the City, they weren't talking about both people having their lights on. I think back then we had an idea of relationships which was that men in heteronormative heterosexual relationships men picked women. Yes, I think, and you're trying to update it, which is good. Speaker 6: Yeah. Speaker 1: Although I think I always that was always my understanding of that quote, because I think in later in the show, Carrie's talking about my lights not on, his lights not on, Like I always sort of understand it to mean it's all about timing. And I genuinely do believe that a great deal of whether or not a relationship will work or not is about time. Speaker 2: I think you only have to watch one to eight seasons I've Married at First Sight to see that it is not oh that much about time, because you've got two people who's lights could not be more on who are matched by very clever, non manipulative psychologist and they go in and you can have your light on as bright as it can possibly be, and it still doesn't vibe. Speaker 1: I don't buy that because I don't think their lights are on for that at all. Speaker 2: Oh holy just because they're getting Instagram followers. I am not looking for real love. But the other thing is, I don't know. I think you hear so many stories of people who may be met at a time that wasn't on paper a particularly good time. Speaker 4: Oh that's a good point to people. Speaker 2: To meet, and it's still and it still happens. Speaker 3: Yeah. Speaker 1: But I think, like any theory, it doesn't apply to everybody. One person's going to meet. Some people are going to football in love of their childhood sweetheart stay with them forever, right. But in the dating world, in the world where you are trying people on, if you are serial and anogamizing, I think that's where this comes in, because sometimes your lights on even when it shouldn't be. Like if you heard of the getaway car theory of like you find a relationship to get you out of the relationship you're in, so you could be married and one person's light is on and the other one doesn't know. Like I think the point of it is that for a lot of people, the one true love theory isn't necessarily it. It's more like, is this the right moment? Clooney and a mile? Very good, very good advertising for that. Speaker 2: No, hard because I'm also like A miles A mile. Speaker 3: Zoey, like, I don't know for a proving any extraordinarily Well, no, but I don't like that theory right because I bet that. Speaker 1: I mean, of course a mile is extraordinary, and of course so is extraordinary. But that theory buys into the idea that everybody who didn't get picked there was something wrong with that and we're waiting for like. So my point about A mile and George is he was married when he was young, but through all his big rise he was single, and he was known as the most eligible bachelor in Hollywood. And I think that he made a bet with Nicole Kidman comes to mind, I will never get married again? Speaker 3: Is that during that period, as people may remember, I had a long phone conversation with him. She went for about an hour in a work context, and I guess he's light his life just wasn't. Speaker 2: Why. Speaker 1: But the thing is is that of course these women are amazing, because of course they are. But if you believe that it just takes the right woman, then that's like a model of exceptionalism that I'm not that into. Was more likely getting to a point in his life where it's like, I don't want. Speaker 3: To be a six I don't want the pot belly pig as my life, and. Speaker 1: Then he meets an extraordinary woman, and he would have met other extraordinary women in Amma would have met a million extraordinary men who wanted to tie her down like she's a catch and a half in a million ways, intellect, beauty, human rights, like savior. She's incredible, but her light probably was not. Speaker 3: I feel like you just out sexist argument to know. I thought the taxi like theory was sexist, which turns out I was carrying. Speaker 2: Around the sexes I think. I think that there are I think the taxi light theory does make us feel better about ourselves, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's true, because because I think it's really convenient to be like, oh, that man like George Clooney. The reason he didn't end up with all those women was because of timing, not because he wasn't compatible, it wasn't right whatever, Whereas I think I lean towards Amal and George were always destined? Speaker 4: Is that do I? Speaker 1: Did we just say the word destined? Speaker 2: I think romantic you. Speaker 4: Are because you met the love of your life quite young. Speaker 2: Yes, I think maybe I'm trying to justify my own choices, which is. Speaker 1: And maybe I'm trying to just always because I don't. I don't buy the theory necessarily that everybody before was wrong and it was the right fit. Speaker 4: Oh, you haven't met my ex boyfriend, fair cool. Speaker 1: I'd love to know what we think about the taxi light theory, and also if there's an update, because I've heard a couple like some people say it's musical chairs, who are you with when the music stops? Some people say it's coughing season. EMM has said that, like there's times of years, seasons in your life where you're just like, Okay, let's do it. Speaker 2: I need someone. Speaker 1: But I was wondering because my daughter wouldn't even know about taxis and lights on. Speaker 4: No, no, we need to fit into this. Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, it's like the ubers available and empty. Speaker 6: The. Speaker 1: Waiting time on this No, I can't ten minutes too long. Tell us out louder. Speaker 2: We're really in an era of maxing, which we've touched on on this podcast. Not me personally. I'm not maxing anything. Speaker 1: I'm just everything is maxim but everything. Speaker 4: Other people very optimi everything. Speaker 2: Yes, so looks maxing, sleep maxing, fun maxing, which sounds gross. But here's one I hadn't heard of until this weekend. Sperm maxing. I like it because it's not something I can personally participate in. I feel excused from sperm maxing. Speaker 1: What how does? Speaker 6: What? Speaker 4: How do you? Speaker 1: Maxis swem? I'm not I don't need to know. I'm just curious. Speaker 2: Headline in Sydney Morning heralds red iced testicles and abandoned underwear. This is the world of sperm maxing. And it begins by telling us about a lovely man named Mick and his partner Holly, and oh there you go, Holly, I'm in. So they were discussing their plans to have a family, and Holly was and Holly was saying she had fears about her fertility, and Mick said, you leave that to me, love, And so what he did was he stopped wearing underwear because most underwear is made of polyester, and that's apparently and a crime disruptor. Come on, and lowers testosterone. Speaker 1: I believe many babies have been born to polyester wearing people. Speaker 2: And then he would ice spark at least once a week, not that shrunk, No, no, no, Heat's the bad thing. Because then another guy called Tom was explaining that he goes in the sauna, but don't worry because he takes an ice pack with him. Speaker 1: And puts it on this necessary that would be a very confusing sensory experience. Speaker 2: Because apparently excessive heat is damaging to sperm. So apparently there is some evidence about heat and sperm. But the rest of this is complete. You won't believe it, but it's complete bullshit. But Brian Johnson, who's that tech entrepreneur who's obsessed with longevity, claims to have the one who has his sons. Speaker 1: Yes, the one who has his son's blood injected into He's done so many and measure time erections. He doesn't need food after eleven am. Speaker 4: Like that guy. Speaker 1: He's living a long but very boring life. Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he claims to have sperm quality to rival a twenty year old. He's got no basis that claim, but that's what he says, which brings me to the Sperm Racing World Cup. Are we aware of the Sperm Racing World Cup? Speaker 1: Totally? Speaker 2: I discovered this and it is the funnest thing I've discovered as of late. It's founded by tech entrepreneurs. Speaker 1: They have too much money, too much money that they should come to my We did frog racing, peak racing, like good. Speaker 2: Sperm race should be doing some sperm racing. It's a race that's going to be held in San Francisco next month. Speaker 4: I think what they're saying is that their cab light is on. Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll show you with my literal sperm. And it's one hundred and twenty eight men, each representing a different country, and they submit semen samples which then compete in a microscopic race for a one hundred thousand dollars prize. Now here's the ad for it, because I know you guys are interested. Speaker 6: The Sperm Racing World Cup one hundred and twenty eight countries, one hundred thousand dollars grand rights, the highest stakes competition elequancy. We are searching for the healthiest man alive. This race will immortalized a nation to your country is watching, the world is ready. Speaker 3: I don't want to know what images are currently playing. Speaker 2: It's sperm racing. Speaker 1: This brings a whole new meaning to the term wanking. Frustrating one hundred thousand dollars price. Speaker 2: Yeah, but I as much as trust the tech bros To make a literal tournament out of sperm racing, which I have to say I'd love to attend. I mean, how do you make it exciting? I don't know. This is interesting in the sense that fertility has traditionally been in something that women have seen as their soul responsibility and burdens. And it's nice that men are starting to recognize that. You won't believe it, but fifty percent of fertility is down to the man. Speaker 4: This feels like Elon Musky to me. It feels musky. Speaker 3: Yeah, and I imagine, yeah, and. Speaker 4: You got the That was the joke I needed. Speaker 2: And obviously the problem is that not every fertility issue is has a cause or like it's it's not your fault. Speaker 3: I'm sorry you're trying to what's problematic about the spermilm? Speaker 4: So I think we get a crash and it's. Speaker 2: Literally not a race. Do you reckon? Speaker 3: You can do a little bit of a race. Are you familiar with the facts of life? It is literally a race. Speaker 2: But do you reckon? You can tell when a man has very fast spur? Speaker 4: Oh my god. Oh interesting. Speaker 1: But do you think he's putting it on his dating profile like one this it would definitely be on that. Speaker 3: It's going to immortalize his nation. Yeah, for Australia, I need an update on this. Speaker 2: When it happens, we'll have to keep everybody updated on the tournament and Australia's participation. We need to find who's representing Australia. Oh my god, sorry, I've got another contact. Speaker 4: So clear, like you asked, you posed a question to the group. Can you tell first sperm? Speaker 2: Yeah, something tells me like you kind of know who would have fast sperm. But I don't think it's necessarily a good thing. Speaker 4: No, it's not always. Speaker 2: No, I think it's it's aggressive and it's like congrats Elon musk. But like you're releasing a lot of sperm and you're not like hanging out with that sperm very much? Speaker 1: Are you may not taking the sperm to soccer again. Speaker 2: No, you're not taking a sperm to sport on the weekend, and I think that's very sad. Oh my god, after the break, we get you across everything you need to know about the Met Gala before tomorrow. Tomorrow on the evening of the first Monday of May, which is always confusing. But America exists in a different time to us. Speaker 1: There are one day behind us. Speaker 2: They're one day behind us, and I always have to google time in New York. As is tradition, four hundred and fifty very glamorous guests are going to start arriving at the Met Gala. The dress code for this year is Fashion is Art and the theme is Costume Art and I don't understand the difference between dress code and a theme. Speaker 1: And also always yeah, the Met Gala is about a costume institute in an eye museum. Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I'm glad I'm not the only one who was feeling like because I was like, I think it's just me not understanding fashion. But no, it's weird. So guests are invited to explore their relationship to fashion as an embodied art form. That might mean that there are references to literal art, literal paintings, literal kind of art, moments like whether it's the Renaissance or whatever. But it's the Met Gala, so I think everybody just goes bat it crazy and we don't really understand the tide of the theme. Most of her time, Anna Wintur is still the chair despite having handed the rains reluctantly. Speaker 1: Streep is still the chair. Speaker 4: Yes she is. Speaker 2: And she's enlisted Beyonce, Nicole Kidman and Venus Williams to serve as their evening's. Speaker 1: Co chair, so they have to go. Speaker 2: Yes they do. Holly, there's a little bit of gossip about Anna Wintour and whether we can expect to see Harry and Meghan at the met Gala. Speaker 1: You see, the thing is about the Met Gala, and we'll get to this in a minute too, but whether this is is particularly fraught with who will accept an int because of the involvement of one aforementioned Jeff Bezos and his wife Lauren Sanchez Bezos, because they are bankrolling it. So in the past, big companies bankrolled it. I think Apple's bankrolled it before, TikTok's bankrolled it before. Now it's Lauren and Jeff, and some people are like, I don't think we want to be part of that, So we're not going. Speaker 3: And there have been protests. People have been putting bottles of urine or a liquid that appears to be urine, scattering them around the Metropolitan Museum of Art in the lead up to the gala to protest the fact that the alleged fact that Amazon warehouse workers are not provided with toilet breaks. Speaker 1: Wow, that's a protest. And for the last few years they have been to kind of eat the rich vibe boiling away about the met gala for good reason, but this year it's overt, right, So I reckon that Harry and Meghan might use that as the excuse for why they weren't invited. You I didn't want to go any who wants to go and hang out with Jeff and Lauren. Those people are bad, evil, naughty. But actually it's that Anna wouldn't invite them, And why would Anna not invite them? So the word on the street is that Anna because it used to be Anna. Winter's relationship with celebrities evolved a lot over the years, and if you watch The Devil We was Proud of Too, you'll know that was a matter of survival. There was a time when she was like Kim Kardashian, I don't think so she's not vogue, and then she literally is exceptionally vogue these days. But she apparently doesn't like Harry and Meghan because she's a royalist, a staunch royalist. She's a dame after all. This might be overregged a bit, but she's a royalist, so she doesn't approve of what happened there and the way that Harry treated the late queen allegedly, and also that Meghan chose to do her first ever Vogue cover with Edward Ennafel in Britain and Anna was not happy about that and sees her as a bit. Speaker 2: So I wonder if eventually they'll be considered. Speaker 1: I think Anna's backtracked on enough things and in fact, you know, but as I say, I think that Harry and Megs, if they're not there, which I don't think they will be, well, could definitely use a social justice excuse. But there are a lot of very famous people who are going to be there, of course, including as you've said, the afore mentioned Nicole. Lena Dunham's going, which I find amazing because I've just read a memoir and she talks about the Metgala and not glowing terms, but she was on one of the committees as well. I think we've got Sabrina Carpenter, We've got Zoe Kravitz, so we might get Harry. We've got a lot of very famous people who are going. But this year, more than ever, it's kind of political. Speaker 3: There's a bit of a tipping point being reached about it. Amy O'Dell, who writes a fashion subject called The back Row, wrote last week a piece that I've seen a lot being quoted and circulated which basically argues that the met Gala is in danger of becoming uncool. Speaker 4: And the whole point of the met. Speaker 3: Gala was that it was cool, right, It was like the ultimate and fashion. And the problem is that by allowing the Bezoses to bankroll the whole thing and a winter, risks turning the whole thing into this very craven exercise that no one will want to be a part of. So it's interesting. I'm going to be watching the Red Cup very carefully this year to see if it does feel like the star wattage has been slightly dimmed. Speaker 2: Yeah, and if the people who make it cool because Ndaya is not going Zendaya makes things cool. Speaker 4: She does. Speaker 2: So what I found interesting in all the kind of stuff I've seen about the Met Gala coming up, there was a great piece on Lena Dunham's substack called and her subtacks called good Thing Going, and she wrote a piece called Dispatches from the Worst Dressed List, and I clicked straight away because having been a huge fan of girls, having been a huge fan of her, I remember years and years and years of seeing her constantly mocked for her fashion choices, and I remember wanting to scream at my computer and be like, it's not the fashion, you're talking about her body, And I was so frustrated. And she has now kind of processed that. And as you say, Holly, she's going to be at the Metgala, which is a bit of a surprise. But she writes at the beginning that she's in the process of getting ready for the Met Gala, which she loves to watch but tends to wobble through. And she talks about some of the things that were written about her and how it destroyed her relationship to fashion, and she had loved it when she was little, she had found it really really fun, but it got confusing. She writes when dressing became a bit more of a public affair. Basically, she quotes a bit that Joan Rivers said about her, where she said, it's okay stay fat, but don't say it's okay that other girls can look like this. Try to look better, and Lena Dunham Wrights, I was trying. We just have a different definition of what better meant. And do you guys remember those years? Oh yeah, her just being made fun of. Speaker 1: But also because as I said, I've just read the book, or nearly at the end, it's very clear that she's got like she went through years where she was conventionally skinny, and if you correlate this in the book, that coincides with time when she was really struggling with her health and her addiction issues and with mental health and all those things. Since she'd be super skinny and people would celebrate her for that. She made the cover of Vogue famously once in one of those eras, and then there were other times where she was encouraged. There's a part at the beginning about girls where she was told put more weight on the fact that your body looks the way it does is the thing that makes this show Edgy get bigger. So like her body has obviously been objectified to send different messages at different times about all kinds of things. But it's also clear in her book that she does love clothes and style and fashion and that her mind did does and so it was part of her world. But that's not the case for everybody. Right, If you go to the Met Gala, especially these days, you're generally paid to be there by a brand. They will dress you, they will style you, they will do your duels, they will do your put you up at the hotel, and you'll do all these things and it will cost them millions. But I was reading about how it's seen as the best possible advertise, which is be interesting. If the coolness factor wears off, as you're talking about Amelia, that is the best marketing spender brand can have. Because apparently the media impact of the Metgala is bigger than the Super Bowl in terms of how Father's pictures travel, how much coverage it gets, the fact it's televised, it will be on every news side, it will be on every social media feed forever. That not only the brands who are actively involved, like Vogue and whichever are actually sponsoring it will be the ones who cover it, so it is seen as money well spent, and the event itself costs about six million to put on. Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's obviously at a level that few of us can relate to the met Gala, But that Lena Dunham piece gave me a lot of feelings. Speaker 4: I loved it. Speaker 3: I read it as a companion piece to the love Story discourse. This whole idea of Carolyn Bessett Kennedy, who was lauded for her fashion sense. Speaker 4: People ask the question, is this fashion or is she just thin? Speaker 3: And this was kind of the flip side to that argument, which is can I not be fashionable if I am not thin? And I loved the fact that she asked that question. This really hit home to me because I have never felt like someone who knows how to dress. I am surrounded by very stylish people, and I grew up with like friends. And I interrupt, Please don't I think of myself as I feel like I've struggled with what to wear my whole life. And I do enjoy clothes. But it's interesting that when I was at my skinniest and probably at a pretty unhealthy relationship with my body. I was lauded much more for my clothes and for my supposed style than at other points in my life. And I love that Lena's teasing out that connection. And just recently I saw some comments online that said that I don't dress very well, and it hurt my feelings because I was like, I try, and I do try with my clothes, and I meant to not try. I mean, as as Miranda Priestley reminds us in The Devil wes Prata, we all have to get dressed in the morning, so you may as well put some thought into it. But I do wonder how much of what we perceive of as stylish is actually connected to bodies. Speaker 1: Oh so much of it is. And I mean this last night literally, I was packing for the week because I always come up to Sydney on a Monday morning. I usually stay for a couple of nights, so I've got to think on Sunday when I'm in my most harried, like what am I wearing? Obviously we're on camera, but and I was in my huffing around in my bedroom, going I hate all my clothes. I hate all my clothes, and my kids could hear me, and obviously because I am aware, you know, feminist mother, I do not huff around my bedroom going I hate my body, nothing fits me. But the code is I hate all my clothes. I've got nothing to wear, and my son it's like, what do you mean, why have you even got those clothes if you hate them? You know, But there is no question that these things are so connected, and that fashion world, particularly the high fashion world, they say we like to imagine that they've made a lot of progress on that in the ten years. But I don't think in Anna Wintour's world that progress. Speaker 4: I'm just not talking about it as much. I think that's what it is. Speaker 2: I remember it still sticks with me. Speaker 3: Now. Speaker 2: Remember when Kim Kardashian went on a red carpet wearing a It was kind of like a high neck dress. There's a lot of fabric, and she was very, very pregnant. Speaker 1: I was working gossip mags and I'm not proud of this at all, but everybody says she looked like a couch. I think we printed that. I think we took the piss out of that overtly, and she was trying very hard to be high. Speaker 2: Fashion exactly and I think about that all the time. As a pregnant person. I'm like, I the idea of being mocked and being so embarrassed because you're like, I didn't choose for my body to grow, Like, like it just grows in the direction and grows when you're pregnant, and it can grow in weird direction. And to be totally honest, this this move now, and I'm sure people have the total opposite perspective to me, But the move now of people having really cool maternity, you know, people make it look really really cool and sexy, having a bump like the Sienna Millers of the world with their like little top that will open and it looks really sexy. I'm like, God, you can't even be pregnant and be able to give up for just a few months. Speaker 1: No, we're not allowed hot at all times. Okay, I just need to ask, right, Because as we said, this mat Gala has got this political weight to it. I feel like for the last few years it has, and there's been a sort of oh but it's fun and we all need the distraction. Are we going to be looking at that red carpet tomorrow? Because I know I will, Yeah, I will. I will I will. Speaker 3: Yeah, I will too, And I think that why I will be looking is because fashion is fun. It should be fun, it should be something that we enjoy looking at. And I love how Lena ties up her piece because it's not a hopeless piece. Speaker 4: She ultimately concludes. Speaker 3: By saying, what I realize now is I was making choices that maybe made people feel uncomfortable, whether it was because I was wearing clothes that that type of body should not have been wearing, for instance, or she was wearing clothes that weren't regarded as as exactly mattering me. She talks about how she spoke to a very well known fashion critic about this sort of debate recently, and the fashion critics said to her, you just have a point of view that's called taste. And I love the idea that just because you're wearing something that might not be universally regarded as flattering or fashionable, you can still have a point of view about it. And I guess that's ideally what these kind of red carpet events are meant to showcase is a unique point of view. Speaker 4: So yeah, I'll be watching. Speaker 1: We will rope in our absolute fashion expert May who used to love the met Gala. As she said, people take more risks there than they do when they're you know, at the Oscars or whatever, because it is the whole point of it is to be quite bad shit. So we will be doing a met Gala wrap up for subscribers tomorrow afternoon, and I'm sure that Maya will have many thoughts. That's all we've got time for this Monday. I hope everybody's week starts well. We will be back in your ears tomorrow for subscribers, and the three of us will be here on Wednesday. Thank you to our team. We'll see you then, Bye bye. Speaker 2: Mummy acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Have feedback or a topic you want us to discuss? Send us a voice message or email us at thespill@mamamia.com.au and we’ll get back to you ASAP! Executive Producer: Monisha Iswaran Audio & Video Producer: Michael Kean Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast. From Mum and Me Out.00:02Speaker 2 Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brednick and I'm Tina Burke and coming up on the show today, Look, Taylor slipped us up to some antics. There's secret coded messages in her outfits, there's potential secret songs, there's a countdown.00:15Speaker 1 I'm gonna be so honest.00:16Speaker 2 I'm gonna let you, Tina Burke, explain that because that is wait, you're crazy, Taylor, so fandom that's your business. Plus something I have been obsessed with for the last few days. I know we both have, but we need to talk about it. The real life Emily from The Devil Wears Prada has come forward after all these years, and she's given some really interesting insights about the author of the book, Anna wind Tour Emily Blunt. We're getting get into the biggest takeaways from that, but first you have some other things to discuss.00:43Speaker 3 I have some things that have come across my desk this morning. One of them is very short and I just need to touch on it really quickly, Will And it is that. Obviously, last week we discussed Zoe Kravitz and Harry Styles engaged. According to people magazine. Do you know what their middle names are? Her middle name is Isabelle, Isabella Isabelle.01:00Speaker 1 Last, what his is? No, it's Edward. Oh they are Edward and Bella. Oh my god, this has blown up.01:08Speaker 2 You might be the only person who. Oh no, it has blown up on socials this morning.01:12Speaker 3 It's come across the internet because they are Bella and Edward from Twilight, which means they are now faded to be together forever. I was skeptical before. I was like, they're not gonna last. It's not gonna happen. And now I'm like, no, they're Bella and Edward, so like it's gonna happen. By Stephanie Wheer, Oh my god, I love some little nerd put that together. I love nerds.01:28Speaker 1 And they together.01:29Speaker 2 For nine months, we've had this information for nine months and only now have people picked it up.01:32Speaker 3 Someone sat on it until now, And maybe they'll have a little renett me of their own, just something to think about, something a bit.01:37Speaker 1 More serious, do you think of it?01:39Speaker 2 Well, I'm sure they'll be thrilled that people have figured out they're supposed to be together because they're middle names.01:43Speaker 1 Yes, no other reason.01:46Speaker 2 Yeah, something more serious that isn't more serious, No, but with just my lurkings on social media is the Summer I Turn Pretty has officially.01:55Speaker 3 Been done filming the movie, which is very exciting. It's been really like under wrapped of what exactly the plot was going to be. I mean, we pretty much assume and everyone has reported that it's going to be about like Belly and Conrad finally getting married, but we didn't finally.02:10Speaker 2 Everyone's like, well, when will those crazy kids get married?02:13Speaker 3 Honestly like sitting on the shelf at this point. But I do think they're going to be about twenty five. But the first onset photos came out over the weekend. They've gotten back to set and while they were incredibly grainy and blurry and they were kind of like pat photos or fan photos taken on phones, they're all out on a boat on the lake.02:29Speaker 1 It's very the summer return pretty.02:31Speaker 3 Yes, what you can see is that Belly has a big diamond ring on her left ring finger.02:37Speaker 2 Okay, people have not handled these photos well in a mature way. Everyone has been pretty nasty, pretty crazy because the ring, as we all remember, if you can even call her that, that was given to Belly by Jeremiah in the show was so small that you literally couldn't see it. Even when she held it up in front of your face, you could not see it. We put it on socials and we had to.02:58Speaker 3 Draw a circle around it, the tiny little diamond.03:01Speaker 2 From that point, poor Jenny Hahn, the writer of the books and creator of the TV series and showrunner and all these things, This talented, creative, brilliant woman then gave up her precious time to go on oppressed tour to do interviews so that fans could ask her questions about the show. And all that woman got asked was what was that tiny ring? Was that meant to be a joke? And that poor woman had to answer over and over again. No, it wasn't meant to be a joke. We just thought, like, he doesn't have any money, so of course you'd have a small ring. It's just the way that belly held it up so defiantly to show the family and then you couldn't see it, and you couldn't see it at all. Became such a running joke.03:36Speaker 3 Yes, and so even from a great distance on a boat in the middle of the high seas, you can see the ring that we can assume Conrad has given to her. So it's a Peconkin diamond, and I'm very excited about that because she does deserve it. And this is why you date the handsome doctor and not like the weird other brother. There were lots of reasons, but I do think this is one of them. The other big thing that has come out based on these photos is that Jeremiah our like sad single other.04:01Speaker 1 Hey.04:01Speaker 2 Hey, some of us were kind of quietly team Joremiah nick word team Jeremiah, and I don't understand why, but that's your business. He has his arm wrapped around a mystery blonde woman, so that, oh god, it's not that woman from who was that girl?04:13Speaker 1 I kind of friend.04:14Speaker 3 Yeah, So the whole season three subplot of him falling for the roommate and the roommate being a weird hater of Conrad that never.04:21Speaker 1 Sat well, Yeah, that just felt right. That was for nothing.04:23Speaker 3 It felt rushed, and it was for nothing because now he's on a boat with a woman who looks a little bit too much like his mother and he's got his arm around her and they look to be a couple. So wow, something to think about there, But we don't really know too much about what the film is about, but we do know that Jenny Hahn is directing. So she directed one of the episodes of the season three, which was episode five. Laura, I don't know how much you remember the summer I Turned pretty, but episode five was the one from Conrad's pov Oh the Apple.04:48Speaker 1 We hate the Apple, and he is in the white T shirt. Yeah, that song played wild Horses beautiful.04:52Speaker 3 VI.04:52Speaker 2 Wow, I just like, I feel like I just lost you for a second, just went off and I just got into.04:55Speaker 3 My Conrad's little like mind bubble. But she's going to direct the film, so she said, taking inspiration from Nora Efron. Oh great, so great person to take your inspiration from. You do have to wonder what like the traditional third actension is going to because I think the whole show was third actension and we don't need to see a mini breakup again. But I don't know, maybe Steven and the other one can have some drama.05:17Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean that's the thing. Isn't it to be able to make a movie like that.05:20Speaker 2 Yes, yes, you've got the wedding as the plot, but there's going to have to be some moment where you think they're not going to get married some sort of drama.05:26Speaker 1 You can't just have a wedding.05:27Speaker 3 No, But like at this point, it's been drama non stop for years.05:30Speaker 1 You go tired to Paris.05:31Speaker 3 She's like, actually, I'm going back to Paris, thank you so much. I'm leaving you again. That would be so boring. We can't do that.05:36Speaker 1 Do we know when this is coming out? Like, at least not until next.05:39Speaker 2 Year twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty seven to be coming out. Yeah, I mean, I guess people will still be interesting, Like I know people still be interested, But I was worried when the show ended and they announced the movie was happening, and the momentum was so huge, and in my head, I was like, oh, I wonder if they've started shooting so that this can come out at least a year after the last episode has aired, and now it's going to.05:59Speaker 1 Be well over year.06:01Speaker 3 Yues.06:01Speaker 2 People still care because there was such a fandom around that show.06:04Speaker 1 But do we think it all? Do we think the momentums lost a little bit?06:07Speaker 3 I think so, And as well, there were reports like the other week about the fact that maybe the cast had only signed on to do the movie in order to get pay bumps for season three when they were renegotiating, and Deadline kind of reported saw stuff the cast themselves didn't come out and say this, but that the cast might have felt like they were a little bit taken hostage in having to agree to the movie so that they could get a pay.06:28Speaker 1 Rise for three.06:29Speaker 3 So there's also like that little underlying tension as well that I think some fans aren't happy with. And yeah, it's a long wait for a movie that realistically like I don't know what's like, how much could possibly happen.06:39Speaker 2 Yeah, we love Jenny harm but yeah, we love Jenny Harm. Well, hopefully there's a big plot twist in there. But that's the thing about having these continuing stories is like you do have to kind of break something or change something in order to make it worth the stakes.06:51Speaker 1 Yeah, but I'm sure to be fine.06:52Speaker 2 And also at least that they were all out of like high school and through college, they have to worry about it. They don't have to worry about them aging out of their roles. Yeah, we've got a good fifteen year years before that happens. So no, I think it'd be fun.07:02Speaker 1 Yeah, So, as.07:04Speaker 3 Discussed my favorite topic in the world. Taylor Ellison Swift has come up twice, actually more than even twice, several times in the past week, but on two very significant occasions. We have been talking about Taylor Swift and I have been talking your ear off, and I'm sure you loved every second of it.07:18Speaker 1 Right, No, I always.07:19Speaker 2 Find that you have an interesting angle on Taylor Swift because you're like really in the weeds with not just the fan theories, but kind of like the industry chat as well.07:27Speaker 1 So I find that very interesting. I thank you for play kating a lot of people who care about stuff I can't really relate.07:32Speaker 3 Yeah, and I care about everything weigh too much. But one of the things that came up last week, which some of the spillers may have seen, I know a lot of people were texting me going, what the hell is happening right now?07:44Speaker 2 People text you if something happens to tell you Swift, They're like, what's going on? Why is this a thing?07:48Speaker 1 And to be fair, you know the answer, and I do know the answer.07:50Speaker 3 So Taylor Swift. On Friday last week, a mysterious countdown appeared on her website for the briefest of moments and obviously, if you know anything about Taylor Swift, she loves like an Easter egg, she loves a big reveal, and she often does these countdowns on her website. So before the Life of a Showgirl album came out, whole website changed colors, big countdown pops up. This time, her website briefly changed to a sky blue background with like white cartoon clouds, and a countdown appeared in like this also cartoonish kind of font and then disappeared, and the Swifties very quickly put together that it looked like Toy Story Wow, okay, and Toy Story five is coming out soon.08:31Speaker 1 No, I'm aware, Oh good, I'm aware. I'm up on the plots, I'm up on everything.08:35Speaker 3 No, everything, and Toy Story five is coming out soon. But the thing is, people suddenly realized, holy shit, has a Taylor Swift been dropping Toy Story five clues?08:45Speaker 1 And again, yes, yes, okay, it looks like yes.08:49Speaker 3 So one of the things that I love about Taylor Swift is so and it's bold of me to say this, I'm sitting here in a T shirt, but her street style is not necessarily beloved by the fashion girls. A lot of people think she dresses a bit basic or like. The common theme is people think there's always like one thing wrong with her outfits, so she often gets roasted for her She.09:08Speaker 2 Gets roasted, And it's so interesting how there's this huge fandom of people that are just like, oh, she looks she just looks terrible. She dresses frumpy. If you listen to any kind of fashion podcast, fashion adjacent, any kind of industry chat, they're just like, she's known as being like one of the worst dress celebrities. Can I just say, I can't see it. I like her outfits.09:28Speaker 1 I like them too. I guess I'm just not a fashion girl.09:31Speaker 2 But I thought, like recently in the dress with the little yellow bag and the heels, maybe it's because I too am a little basic. Like when people just like, oh, it's so boring when she just wears a glittery gown, I was like, you know what, wear a glittery gown. I'm so sick of everyone wearing a beige column dress or a black dress. They're like, it's chival blah blah blah. I don't know, they all look the same. Well, at least she has a look.09:50Speaker 1 Yes, she has a look.09:51Speaker 3 She knows what her style is, and she has worked for years and years and years with the same style as Stress of Castles. You have to wonder how he feels about it all. But he also does like her, like streaming and stuff for like the Era's tool.10:01Speaker 2 If he does love that, it's so wild because I don't see a huge jump between her costumes from the RAS tour and her street style and her red carpet style. To me, it all looks very like concise and that it fits together, Like she doesn't look like she's in a costume when she's on stage to me, and she doesn't look like she's been dressed by someone else when she's like she always looks like her. Yeah, and there's very few celebs that look like that, Like some of them, there's such a clear line between their street style and their event dressing.10:26Speaker 1 Yeah. So I don't know what people want. I don't know what people want.10:29Speaker 3 But what they did was dig back, and they didn't have to dig very far because last week she did wear the outfit you're talking about, which is like a sky blue dress.10:36Speaker 1 She had a yellow bag.10:36Speaker 3 She was wearing lue batons, which obviously have a red bottom on them, and she was wearing a horse shoe necklace, and so people ripped into this outfit last week. Yeah, and then suddenly on Friday, when.10:46Speaker 1 I was like, wa, where can I buy that?10:47Speaker 3 And I can't afford it? But I thought she I thought it was a great dress. She was out for dinner with her family and friends. And though she has previously said she does an Easter Egg when she's like Easter Egg her personal life, she does Easter Egg through fashion all of the time. And people as soon as this Toy Story theory started kicking around, well like, wait a minute, was that hideous outfit we hated on Monday a.11:05Speaker 1 Toy Story five clue? Maybe?11:08Speaker 3 And then outside of that, there is also there's clouds in the background of her opal Aite music video, Greta Lee, obviously because of the Graham Norton show was in that music video. Guess what She's also doing voicing a character in Toy Story five exactly, and June five is the really.11:23Speaker 1 State of Toy Story five.11:24Speaker 3 It was also the really state of Tailswift's debut album, Whoa. So everyone's kind of gathered these clues together to decide that she is making his song for Toy Story five and that the countdown accidentally got set live early.11:36Speaker 1 Oh but does she do anything by accident that I'm not sure of.11:39Speaker 2 So if the countdown had been like real, it would have counted down to like Sunday five am ish our time, and then nothing happened.11:45Speaker 1 And nothing, but it did disappear.11:47Speaker 3 So I do have to wonder if it was like a phase test gone wrong. If it is gonna happen, I mean we'll find out. It doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility to me for like Taylor to be like, you know what, now it's time for a kid's music soundtrack.11:59Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, look, she's exactly the right age to have a very nostalgic yeah, because like all elder Malone, like she's an elder millennial just like us.12:07Speaker 1 Maybe or not, but yeah, we're all in that same.12:09Speaker 2 Bracket where we'd like grown up with Toy Story and then that we had like the later Toy Story movies that hit us as adults, and now this next one that we know is coming up is really kind of hitting everyone. It's more for adults and kids, it's hitting us at the stage of our life where we're in wood.12:22Speaker 1 He's got a bald spots triggering for everyone.12:26Speaker 2 It's yeah, so May there's a world in which she's a secret Toy Story fan and she has a real affinity with this franchise she's growing up with, and like it's all the cool kids like Greta Lee's getting in on Toy Story and then you have like Tom Hanks coming back and all the voice cast, and yeah, it's the one thing that everyone wants a piece of at the moment in Hollywood, which is so crazy.12:44Speaker 1 It's a Toy Story franchise.12:45Speaker 3 And one thing we know about Taylor Swift is that she does love an award. And if she could win a songwriting award and get a little bit closer to being an Eagle winner, you just know she would love that.12:55Speaker 2 She's just had a rough run as that poor girl. When will anything go right for Taylor?13:00Speaker 1 When will she again?13:01Speaker 2 I know she was meant to be a shoeing for the Oscars for Cats, Yeah, because she When you write a song, you co write a song with Andrew Lloyd Webber for one of the like most enduring musicals of all time, yea, you should at least get a nomination and probably a win, And that song was lovely, and I'm sure she pictured herself up on stage the Oscar singing it. And then Cats were so reviled and so universally hated the fact that Andrew Lloyd Webber went and bought a dog. Man hated dogs.13:29Speaker 1 He's like it turned me. He literally said that the other day a dog person.13:33Speaker 2 Yeah, He's like, I hated the adaptation of my work Cats so much that I went and bought a dog.13:38Speaker 1 Like, that's how much that man is angry at And.13:40Speaker 2 So Taylor's missu and that, and then everyone thought she was going to get a short film for the nomination for All Too Well. And there's been a few other times her music has been in the mix for a possible nomination, but it just hasn't. It's the one thing that's eluding her.13:51Speaker 3 It is, and I do think like she's got her thinking cap on and she's like a sad song about Jesse the Doll. That's a Cowboys song that could do well.13:59Speaker 2 I mean, the thing is, it's it's a good plan. If that woman writes a banger for toy story for the next movie, then yeah she's in. Then that's a real hook for a Best Song nomination at least.14:10Speaker 3 Yes, and so that was sort of the like unseerious side, but I do believe in it.14:14Speaker 1 That was a serious side.14:15Speaker 3 Yes, no surprising thing. So something else that Taylors which is making headlines for at the moment is her name in relation to a billion dollar sale to do with Spotify. But it's kind of due to something that she did back in twenty eighteen. And the reason I want to talk about it is because I love her so much, but also she's going to get so many other artists and so many other like songwriters and people involved in production paid out as a result of something she did back in twenty eighteen. But basically Universal Music Group are looking at selling half of their three percent stake in Spotify. And that might sound small, but that deal could be worth as much as like one point four billion dollars.14:51Speaker 1 It's a lot of money.14:52Speaker 3 So basically a bid from Pershing Square came to Universal which was to like buy out part of Universal or to become an investor, and in order to do that, they wanted them to liquidate part of their Spotify shares. But then for some reason everyone's reporting that it's like independently Universal Music has decided to sell off part of their Spotify shares and that was announced in April, but at the moment, they're obviously looking to sell off the stake. And what that would mean, like why Taylor Swift is involved is that she negotiated a deal back when she signed in twenty eighteen and other labels were selling off their Spotify shares, she negotiated that the funds would be non recoupable.15:33Speaker 1 Hard work to say.15:34Speaker 3 Got to tell you what that means is, obviously record labels, like every other label that would exist in the world, when an artist makes money, part of that money goes back to their record label. But obviously in this case the record label would be selling something, they would be giving that money to artists, and Taylor Swift is blocking that money from ending up going back to the record label. Oh and so the reason that she did that was because, as we know, Masters were a really big deal to her. She universal in twenty eighteen, and the reason she left Big Machine Records is she wanted to own her masters, like to own her own work, and the only way that Big Machine were willing to do that was if she gave them all one for one deal. So every time she gave them a new album, they would give her back ownership.16:14Speaker 1 Of one of her older albums.16:15Speaker 3 Oh, and she was like no, and didn't really trust Scott Bourschetta. And I think as well. She'd signed on when she was so young, she was a teenager. Her family were really involved. She was one of the very first artists that they had at Big Machine Records. She's certainly their most successful and I think they tried to make her feel as though like she owed them this deal even though it wasn't beneficial or good for her, and so she walked away went to another music group. As we know, the Masters thing kind of carried on for years and at that time wasn't as well known. But in twenty eighteen it did become a big deal. Oh my god, Taylor Swift wants more money from Universal. And what she was actually doing was making sure that this deal would impact smaller artists and musicians. And she said it at the time, she was like, I see it as a sign that we're heading towards positive change, a goal I'm not going to stop trying to help achieve in whatever ways I can. But she was very honest at the time that she was on her sixth seventh album, and she was like, I can speak up and be a voice for change, but younger artists can't. And she was like, what is the point of me, essentially, if I'm not going to stand my ground and have these arguments with record labels and Universal agreed. So they were one of the first to do it, and it does mean now when they're doing this sale, all of these other artists are gain and benefit massively, and I do think it's a testament today Swift. And I know a lot of people talk about her being a billionaire or like money grabbing, and at the time this deal was viewed very much as like, oh.17:35Speaker 1 She's just out for herself.17:36Speaker 3 But I do think she's one of those rare people in the music industry who isn't even though yes, she's going to benefit too, she does want other people to not go through what she went through.17:46Speaker 2 That's interesting thing because and I've said this before public on the podcast, So whether it's wrong or right, is that sometimes I feel like when she takes in the past, she has taken these big stands, it often kind of comes across like people really rally around her and celebrate her for some of the things she's done or when she said, but a lot of them. It sometimes feels like she just weighs on an issue when it's going to benefit her, and she tries to make it a universal thing. She's like, this man said this, you know, inappropriate thing to me, which also fair enough to be upset, and she's like, I'm going to take a stand, and everyone kind of rallies around her, and yeah, it's like, you know, oh, women's rights are that sort of thing. But at the same time, when you actually look at it from like a like a higher lens and kind of float above it, you're like, that was that was.18:26Speaker 1 Just for you.18:27Speaker 2 And saying the master's thing where I think for a long time there where she was like everyone felt like they were swept up in this big movement of like Taylor Swift getting her music back and it was this huge thing and it felt like a communal win every time she did it. But if you actually again looked at that, it was like, oh, no, it's just it's her, Like obviously.18:43Speaker 1 People are not. Everyone's going to own their masters. Yeah, and also like that's nice.18:47Speaker 2 It's like, you know, to feel good about what your favorite artist does and to feel involved in that, and I know that was a real sense of community around the Swifties. But then at the same time, yes, it always kind of felt like, oh, she'll speak on it, but only if it kind of comes back to her. But then I guess over the years she has kind of tried to, like when she spoke about politics and you know, tried to endorse like a different candidate, and she was like very aware that was like a bigger thing than her then. And I you know, obviously I know how much money she gives away and all that sorts of things, but you know, if you want to get on the weeds in it, it's kind of always felt like and that's what I hear a lot of you know, fans talk about the fact they love her music, but they wish she really stood for something.19:23Speaker 1 Outside of herself.19:25Speaker 2 But then also because of her branding and the way she kind of puts herself as this kind of like very inclusionary person, we all obviously expect more of her than other artists, particularly male artists. So it's a very weedy path. So you're kind of telling me that this was on because when I first heard of this, I only heard of it really top line, and I thought it was once again a thing of Taylor's lived coming out and like making sure that she has a win, making sure that she has her money, making sure that she's protected, and that being her first kind of priority, and then as a default, she's pulled other people in with her and she's being like overly celebrated. That's what I thought, But you're that that's not correct.20:01Speaker 3 Yeah, Look, my perspective on it is as you kind of said, there's been times like the Master's thing when she was releasing the Taylor's versions of albums. I liked it because I got new songs. Oh yeah, yeah, which I know, so fair enough selfish.20:12Speaker 1 And like fun as as fifty it was like.20:14Speaker 2 Transactional, like an artist you like is putting out content that you're willing to, like essentially buy the streaming and stuff.20:20Speaker 1 That's fair, that's just how business works.20:21Speaker 3 Yeah, But I very much saw that as like she did that because she it was personal to her.20:26Speaker 1 She wanted to own her own art.20:27Speaker 3 That's great, but it wasn't necessarily, like you said, the big moment that a lot of people built it up to be where everyone was going to benefit or everyone was going to succeed out of this. I do think though, when she did make this decision, there was a lot She actually received a lot of backlash at the time because she'd also previously like she took her music off of Apple Music in twenty fifteen. Yes, I remember that, and it was a whole big deal because Apple started doing like free trials essentially, and Taylor was like, well, how are people going to get paid if you're doing free trials? So then she took her music off temporarily, and then Apple agreed to still pay the artist despite the free trial periods, and she.21:02Speaker 1 Went back on.21:02Speaker 3 And I'd always taken her music off Spotify in twenty seventeen, like, so she'd done it a couple times in.21:07Speaker 2 Order, and I know those were framed if she was like, this doesn't make a difference to me, I'm doing this for other artists. Yeah, But was some part of it also because she's a business woman, and you don't become a billionaire without being very conscious of like keeping your money and making sure you're getting like squeezing money out of every little area that you can, like that's how you become rich. So was they also a part of her that was like I need to protect my own money, even though I don't need to at this stage, it's still money I'm losing. And then by default I will pull like I will help other artists out, which I'm sure the artists getting the money they don't care that she did it for herself and they're a byproduct.21:40Speaker 1 You'd be happy to take it.21:41Speaker 2 But it's just so interesting we always have to like she's a billionaire, and everyone still has to be like we have to protect the downtrodden kind of, you.21:49Speaker 3 Know, like yeah, yeah, And I do think at the time, like, for sure, those decisions like with Apple and Spotify in twenty fifteen, twenty seventeen, definitely we're about protecting her assets and all of that. I do think the decision in twenty eighteen to sort of negotiate all of these terms with Universal because that wasn't the only agreement that they came to. But I do think that had a lot to do with the way she was feeling taken advantage of with big machine records. Yes, and yes, that is a lot to do with herself. But I do think she looked then at that point in time, this is like after she's been canceled. This is when people are hating her guts, and I do think she started to look more. It's also when she's getting to like reputation. That world tour was at the time the highest grossing tour of all time, Like it was a big deal in North America. So I do think she was at a very successful point, but also at a point where she recognized that she had a bit more power than she'd ever had before and finally got to negotiate something and look back at how she'd been treated by this independent record label and just wanted to do something that protected people. She's also had the same band her whole career. She's worked with a lot of the same production team, same songwriters, same people in her camp the entire time. And while they're really well taken care of, I think she also sees that like not a lot of people are, and she's about like when she was a songwriter back in Nashville, she would be in these like communities and people would be talking about how they got money from people buying like a Faith Hill song that they had worked on one time, and so she was like, that doesn't happen anymore. So I want songwriters to be better paid. It basically all came down to the whole songwriting element of how she sees herself rather than like the big pop stars and stuff. Did she benefit absolutely, and do people often yeah, compliment her when she does something just for herself and it ends up benefiting others.23:28Speaker 1 Absolutely.23:28Speaker 3 But I do think in this instance, like it is going to help a lot of people put food on the table and also remain in the industry a bit longer when you have deals that actually support the lower down people in music.23:40Speaker 1 And like I guess in terms of musical.23:42Speaker 3 Billionaires, I'm glad at least one of them is doing something better than other people.23:45Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly.23:46Speaker 2 And that's the thing I don't like when people like, look at Taylor Sitch and has to do these extremes of like she's a superhero, she's a super villain. Like, yeah, it's a bit in the middle. It's a bit in the middle. Like do I think anyone should be a billionaire?23:56Speaker 1 No? I don't.23:57Speaker 3 But also I do think she donates a lot of mine. You see it all the time. She doesn't come out and go look I did this, Like random charities will be like, hey, she just gave us a million bucks and you're like, oh sick.24:07Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, Well, and you know the good news. I guess out of this might takeaway. She might have some sweet toy story.24:11Speaker 2 Money coming in. She might look she'll never be shy I of a dollar, Taylor Swift. But hey, maybe she'll help some people along the way. Well, we're still very much in the devil Weares prior to two weeks. The movie came out last week. We've got a special episode coming up this Friday about it. The movie, So it released this weekend. We're like number one at the box office across the world, as we thought it would be. Apparently it's going to go even further than projected with like the money it's making here the box office, because people are going to see it multiple times. And I love that and hopefully I don't know what it's going to take for studios to take notice, because it's like we have Barbie Breaks all the box office records, Wuthering Heights, love it or hate it, Women just wanted to get dressed up and go with their friends.24:48Speaker 1 Yeah, did amazingly crush the box office.24:52Speaker 2 And now the same thing, women are getting dressed up going to the movies.24:54Speaker 1 Like guys, are we seeing a pattern here? People like the movies.24:57Speaker 2 It's almost like women want to go and see women's stories at the movies.25:01Speaker 1 They can get dressed up and have a goddamn cocktail.25:04Speaker 2 Anyway, So, as we move through Devil Wears Prider Week, and I'm having a great time with everyone who's coming out and would work to share their thoughts and feelings and everything, something very interesting has happened, something historic. I would even go as far to say the real inspiration behind Emily Charlton, a character in the Devil West Prata who has been in three of the books and also now the two movies, the real woman behind her has come forward for the first time in decades. People have tried to work out who she was for years, and I'm sure people in the fashion and magazine industry knew, but she herself has never come out and said anything until now, until the movie has come out and so well received it to be said, there's a straight line there. So Leslie Freemar, who is a celebrity stylist and has been in the fashion industry for many decades, went on the Vogue podcast and talked to editorial director Chloe Mao because when Anna Wintle vacated, she wouldn't let anyone else be the editor of Vogue, said, she's the editorial director, but she is running the day to day operations at Vogue now as Anna win talk kind of move has moved into a more like overseeing role. And so she interviewed Leslie, and I know you've listened to this multiple times, right, this interview. Yeah, I couldn't get enough of it. I listened to it twice as well. It's been the thing all my group chats are talking about. And it's interesting because it wasn't supposed to be cutting in any way, but if you read between the lines.26:26Speaker 1 Oh yeah, there's some cutting lines.26:28Speaker 2 It's a bit of a savage story about Lauren Weisberger. So if anyone doesn't know, Lauren Weisberger is the author of The Devil Wears Prata and the sequel, The Devil Returns.26:37Speaker 1 And everyone keeps saying that this is the second book, but actually the.26:39Speaker 2 Third, When Life gives You Lu a Little, When Life gives You Lulu Levin's Crazy, which is Emily's story of her leaving Miranda and like getting pregnant and moving to the suburbs and like breaking up with her husband. It's nothing like the movies. Yeah you've said that. Yeah, I've not read this book. And then so here's the Lauren Weisberger that she was Anna Wintour's assistant well over many decades ago now, and she lasted about eight months in the second assistant chair, and we now know that Leslie was the first assistant at the time. So when she came on to do the podcast with Chloe, Chloe sort of says to her, like, why do you think you're the real Emily? And she's like, I don't think I know. And as she tells her story, it's interesting because Vogue was going to have a panel with past Vogue staffers that all could have been the Emily and they were going to sort of like have a discussion. And then Leslie, who doesn't really do anything like she works with celebs, and like, yes, she's Charlie's.27:33Speaker 1 There on style, Yeah, and she's style a lot of.27:35Speaker 2 Red carpet looks and things like that, but she's on a public face. And she had to sort of call Chloe and say, hey, I'm happy to come and talk and help.27:42Speaker 1 But it's going to be.27:43Speaker 2 Really clear if we all get on stage straight away that it's me.27:46Speaker 1 Yeah, that it's definitively me.27:48Speaker 2 I sat across from her, I said lines that are in the book, I know it's me, And so that idea is going to fall apart pretty quickly. And Soe said that she came on the podcast, Ye did you have a favorite reveal from Leslie? Although there was way too many, but I do think the clearest one, or like the best one to me is how she found out about the book. And also that's the clearest one that obviously, yes, the book was written about her, because even Anna Wintor knew the book was about to tell her. So can I tell the story please people who haven't listened. So obviously wide ranging podcast really really good. But in this part, she says she had moved on to be an assistant in a fashion department and then she gets a call from then Anna's new assistant to be like Anna needs to speak with you, and she was like, Anna never needs to speak with you, and also never needs to speak to an assistant. So she hustles on over there and Anna Wintour asks her who is this woman?28:38Speaker 1 Like who is this lady?28:39Speaker 3 And she's like, that was your assistant, and Anna Winter was like, I don't even know.28:43Speaker 2 Her, has no idea, Well, she has a lot of different assistants, and that she was only there for eight months, and I'm sure maybe she'd seen her.28:50Speaker 1 She would have, yeah, but she.28:51Speaker 2 Called her and she was just like, who is Lauren Weisberger? And it was so funny because Grace Cottington, who's a really famous Vogue editor who worked really closely if Anna and that team, wrote in her own book that no one could remember Lauren when brutal so focused so funny about it. She's like, none of us could picture this, and she's like, I guess Anna's assistants were always, you know, just these bobbing, faceless heads outside her office that you would talk to. But like, Leslie is really the only one who has any memory of her.29:20Speaker 1 Yeah.29:21Speaker 3 And so it's obvious enough when Anna has read this, you know, the initial draft of the book to her that the Emily character is Leslie, because she calls Leslie into her office asks her who Lauren is, and then Anna Wintour says, oh, she's written a book about us, and you come off far worse than me.29:36Speaker 2 That is the interesting thing that Leslie says in this interview, is that they received the galley, which is the very very early stages of a book where things are subject are changed, and she said, she it's so funny, Chloe. He's like, did you run outside straight away and read it. She's like, no, I had to back and do and finish my work. And I was like, life, Emily, I mean maybe because she's like, we probably had a big shoot that day.29:58Speaker 1 That was me.29:59Speaker 2 I would have run straight to some hidden corner and I would have read that book under my desk all day. She said, she waited till she got home at night. Okay, if you've got more will power than me, and she said the first iteration of the book was so mean and much more true to life, because what she's saying has happened is that Lauren took a writing class and they said write what you know, and apparently she wrote it as a memoir, and then they wanted to fictionalize it, and then the fictionalized version was really really mean to everyone who worked at Vogue Tour, to the Leslie character who became Emily, and then the editors who worked with her toned it right down to the book that went on the shelves. The Devil Wears Prada, which is interesting because that book does skew very not mean, but it's like the Miranda Priestley character.30:43Speaker 1 Have you read the book?30:44Speaker 3 No?30:44Speaker 1 Oh, okay, I wouldn't. Sorry, no, I wouldn't invite.30:48Speaker 2 If you're going to read a Lauren Weisberger book, I've got I've got a better recommendation. She read, She wrote some good books. She writes a fun book to have by the pool on holiday. I've read, Yeah, like Last Night at Chateau my Mond chasing Harry Winston. Yeah, The Devil is proud of Like the idea is good obviously because it went on to spawn this incredible thing. But the plot's a bit thin. There's no memorable one liners, Like, it's not a witty book. And also the character of Miranda Priestley is like a caricature. Yeah, all the layers that she has in the movie don't exist in the book.31:21Speaker 1 She's just a nasty woman.31:22Speaker 3 Well. I found that interesting because Leslie said she was able to watch the movie and she found the movie really enjoyable. She was like, it's really glamorous, but there's more like empathy and the people are more well rounded than we saw in that initial galley and then even in the book that got published, Like, that's crazy to me that you can know that this is about you and you see it is really mean, but then you see the on screen portrayal and like, yeah, you like Emily and you like Miranda. I don't have way more nuance than I'm guessing they have in the book.31:47Speaker 2 No, in the book, they just kind of mean girls. Like, yeah, I mean Emily and Andrea hang out a little bit more in the book, but she's still pretty mean to her. And like, yeah, the Miranda character is very kind of just like she's a nasty person. Yeah, she's just like this little talk about her being this little bird like creature, which I guess is very Anna Wintle coded who just like stalks into the office. Yeah, they make a lot of there's a lot in the book about what There's like a whole chapter devoted to what she eats, which apparently is also very Anna winto because she likes steak and potatoes and Starbucks and ice cream. And that's a huge cry in the book. So sometimes Lauren Weisberger was I think just typing out her day. But the end is very different, Like it still ends with Andrea like walking away from her, but there's no nuance with Miranda having like that breakdown scene in the hotel room, like that's to the movie with the no makeup where she kind of like drops the facade and there's no like, you know, Andrea, everyone wants to be out.32:36Speaker 1 It's like this is the sacrifice.32:37Speaker 2 It's just her screaming at her, yeah, and just screaming at her. And then it's like very anti climactic with Andy like calling the office and being like can I still get my flight home?32:46Speaker 1 They're like, no, I'm not going to leave you strand there.32:47Speaker 2 You can get your flight home, and it's just like, oh, kind of anticlimactic.32:51Speaker 1 Yeah. The end.32:52Speaker 3 I do think it's really interesting, like, oh forgot The whole thing is so interesting. But one of the parts that made me go, oh, you are Emily is that Leslie explains like the Lauren person slash Andy character, and she was like the reason that I found it like interesting in the book is like I don't remember Lauren ever being a star on the rise. Yeah, but she's pretty much like that didn't happen. And then she explains like Lauren probably thought I was a bitch because I had to do her job for her because she was and she's like she was probably just sitting around writing her book, I guess, but she pretty much is like that girl never did her job and hated it there. And so yes, I used to snap at her because she wouldn't do her job, and I was like.33:29Speaker 1 WHOA to me?33:30Speaker 2 That was the most telling moment from this revelation from the real Emily from the Devilwars Prider. And can I say I've talked to a lot of people who have listened to this interview, and a lot of people have said, like, she comes across as classic Emily. She comes across as a mean girl for saying that, And can I just say team Leslie on that one.33:46Speaker 1 I thought classic Emily in a good way.33:48Speaker 2 Yeah, they're saying she's too mean, Yeah, that she was being mean about Lauren. Everyone closed ranks against Lauren when she wrote this book, to the point where that's why the company line is like we don't know who Lauren Weisberger is.34:01Speaker 1 And the Devil Wears prior like the first.34:03Speaker 2 Premiere, the one that was in New York, apparently, you know how like they have a host camp on stage and kind of greet everyone a paving. The host was like, you know how they got round the room like this person's here, this person's here. They were like Anna Wintour is here, as is the author of the book, and no they're not sitting together.34:17Speaker 1 And everyone was like whoa because they were in the same room. But also, I have this now.34:22Speaker 2 I think that this has been scrubbed from the internet, but I swear to God I read this quote when The Devil Wears Pride. It came out, but I've gone to look for it so many times and I can't find it. So I think that it was written in a magazine and it's been destroyed. Yeah, but I swear to God that Meryl Streep in an interview, they asked what she thought of Lauren Weisberger and she was like, if I was her, I would have spent more time learning from Anna Wintour than writing a book.34:45Speaker 1 That's just me. Now.34:47Speaker 2 That is not maybe not the kind of thing Meryl Street would say, And maybe I'm paraphrasing, but I feel like she says that in an innuay you have like.34:54Speaker 3 A pretty what is you don't have like a photographic memory, but you have pretty similar.34:58Speaker 1 I have a photograph of memory for so things.35:00Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, that'll help me in life. But I swear to god, I read that quotally magazine. Yeah, and some person obviously didn't upload it to the internet or it was it's been screet internet.35:11Speaker 1 But I feel like that was just the vibe.35:12Speaker 2 But yeah, I was very much on Leslie's side because she really cared about fashion. She talked about the fact that she had come from Canada and she had really had to fight her way into this job, and she was working like all that stuff you see in the movie about she was told she had to be in the office at seven point thirty.35:29Speaker 3 She moved closer to the office so she could be there on time and stay late.35:33Speaker 1 I was sleeping in.35:33Speaker 2 That office, so she had to be there at seven thirty in the morning. Yeah, with all of Anna's like books and papers, all that stuff you seen the devil was part of them. Putting him in a fan on her on her desk is all real. And then she had to wait around for the book again things we know from the movie. She had to wait around for the book till like ten o'clock at night, and so she's working these crazy hours she gets promoted to first assistant. They she hires Lauren Wiseberger, who has come from a very prestigious university and is very educated. This is sorry, I mean we know that that's a fact. She did come from a prestigious She was in the ivy leagues in America, so like super educated. And she said, from the moment Lauren got to Vogue, she was just like, I'm too good to be here, yeah, and I don't want to be here. And she had and she said she just wouldn't do her work, and so Leslie had to do all of her work for her. And that's where the resentment grew. And that's where the character of Emily from The Devil Wes Pridact came from her resentment.36:25Speaker 1 And I'm just like, if you've worked in a creative.36:26Speaker 2 Industry, everyone knows that feeling of having to do the work for someone else. Yeah, but there's no way to kind of track it a lot of the time publicly. Yeah.36:33Speaker 3 And it also reframes because she says, she's like, I absolutely told her a million girls would kill for this job, yeah, And like it reframes that to an extent too, Like she is of the opinion that Lauren's come in just to write this book and was wasting time and not doing her job, And it's like, yeah, you probably would say something.36:48Speaker 1 To that effect if you're at Vogue at.36:50Speaker 3 That point in time too, Like insane budgets all of that, So many career opportunities, which there still are with Vogue of course.36:57Speaker 1 But like the more that it's changed.36:58Speaker 3 At that point in time, that was the place to go if you wanted a career in journalism. You could get anything, and like Meryl Streeps or alleged quotes saying if you put in me with.37:08Speaker 1 The Meryl Streeps slander, will they even say? Like in podcasts?37:11Speaker 3 The first assistant before Leslie moved up went on to become the entertainment editor at Vogue it for years and years and years and is a very successful and respected journalist. Like you, Yeah, you could build a career off of being that assistant.37:24Speaker 2 I think back then that was the job one hundred girls would kill for and it probably still is. Yeah, Like I know it still is, Like Vogue still carries a lot of weight, and being an assistant is how you get into that pool. So I think that was Leslie's kind of like and we see that dynamic in the book, but we see it in a different way from Andy's perspective, which is Lauren's perspective of her just not coming into this, like what she's thinking is like a plumb job and not doing any work, but like secretly writing her book under the desk, which is the allegation that Vogue has not been able to prove. And also Leslie also said that she took a writing test for Vogue and was rejected, which is in becau. Lauren Weisberger had some writing published in Vogue recently interesting and everyone was like, look, the woman.38:04Speaker 1 Who was turned away from Vogue.38:06Speaker 2 All she had to go do was write a tell all memoir that gets turned into iconic film series and she finally got in.38:11Speaker 3 It's also kind of interesting then that like a subplot of The Devil wes Prata too, is the idea that Andy might write a tell all memoir.38:18Speaker 1 Okay, that was.38:18Speaker 2 Such a quote when I went and saw because I saw that first part of the movie before I went and did The Devil West prior of interviews, and in the theater I was seeing there was like four other journals. I went because I'm like, that was such a Lauren Weisberger burn Yeah, where they were like, what is she going to do? Go write a tell a memoir about her boss? Ha ha as if that's the worst thing you could do. And I was like, that is literally why we're all sitting here, Yeah, because someone did that. But it's kind of become like, it's interesting because Anna Wintour like could have come out of all of this looking like the villain, but she's come out looking like the hero because everyone's like, we love Miranda Priestley, we love Meryl Street, we love this movie, and by default, we love and a wind Tour for being a part of this and that's why she's lent into it. And then Lauren Weisberger has become the kind of like, obviously she's published so many books and she's doing really well, but she has kind of become the punchline when she was initially set up to be the hero, which I find so interesting. And I just find like Leslie's perspective on Anna so different from someone who was just came in with like kind of no emotion, very ambitious because she talks about the fact that Anna was like very much like no personal chat. We're all here to work, and she works like that and she's very comfortable in that setting.39:28Speaker 1 Can't relate to that, can't relate but I love that story she told where.39:33Speaker 2 So Leslie who was giving the interview, the real Emily is from Canada, and so she was being sponsored by Vogue, a biolized Clark that's a fake company by Conde, asked to work at Vogue. And she got a call one day from the Vogue human resources team to say they were no longer sponsoring anyone, so they weren't going to like do her next visa, and so she basically had to leave the country and lose her job. And she said that she was just hysterically sobbing, something she's never done before, but she was so upset and fair enough, and she said that An she didn't know Anna was going to be in the office that day. All of a sudden, Anna Wintour walks in and I don't know why this is so funny to me. She's like, Anna was clearly uncomfortable, and she just walked away. She just walked into her office. But then she waited a few minutes called her in and I love how Leslie did her. Anna Wintour's voice she said she tried to like kind of do like half a British accident.40:19Speaker 1 She was like, Leslie, why are you crying?40:21Speaker 2 Looks so angry, but also just like can't not angry, but just like so flabbergasted that someone in her office would be showing emotion. And so Leslie told her and she was like, Anna Wintle' was like, oh my god, go sit down and stop crying for God's sake.40:32Speaker 1 And then Anna Wintour just called.40:34Speaker 2 All of a sudden, this man appeared in the office who's like the head of human resources.40:38Speaker 1 And Anna Wintour is like.40:39Speaker 2 Ci, my assistant is crying, and in her head, she's like and that's the worst thing anyone could ever do.40:45Speaker 1 In front of me.40:46Speaker 2 She's like, can you please just get her a visa? Just go and sword it. And he's like, yeah, that's fine. And so she got to stay in America. And now she credits this whole huge fashion career that she's had to Anna Wintour just telling her to stop crying.40:57Speaker 3 And fair enough, It's like, yeah, I do think I thought the little insights were interesting. It's also so interesting because Chloe's the one interviewing her. Yeah, and Chloe, like everyone who is online and has seen the pair of them together in recent interviews, is intrigued by the Chloe Anna relationship and like.41:12Speaker 1 Oh, I don't know. I want to from Chloe so bad.41:15Speaker 3 Yeah, and like little things right, like Leslie was like, well, you can't ask her questions and Chloe's like yeah yeah, and then then.41:21Speaker 1 She's like I'm living that in real time. It's like real And.41:23Speaker 3 They're talking about like the book and like the little like wheel seas, which was apparently like little posters or like seams, which was little posters that Anna would put on to be like email this person, tell them to come see me.41:33Speaker 1 I don't like this bro. Little things like that.41:35Speaker 3 It was so interesting to see like Leslie talking about a career she had twenty years ago and Chloe talking about the career she has now and then both just relating to like Anna's anaysms, but also revealing that like a lot of the things don't come from Anna herself. Yeah, that was interesting. They were like, she's not the one who says you can't take bathroom breaks. It's just like something that's been passed down.41:55Speaker 1 Yeah, it's been passed down. Yeah.41:56Speaker 2 The other thing I thought was really interesting was a reveal that came right to the end, and it was the question that Chloe asked her, which was like, have you have you who plays Emily and The Devil Wears Prata? Have you ever met Emily Blunt? And the answer was yes, because of course she's a celebrity stylist, so she's in that world. And she even Leslie said she always thought about what she would say if she ever met the person who had played her on screen and turned her into this iconic character, even though no one knew that she was the real Emily. So she said she was at a dinner one night at a mutual friend's house and she was like, this is my moment. Emily Blunt's right there. We're on this, We're on even ground. I'm not coming up to an event, We're at a mutual friend's house. We're both here as equals. And then she said to her as they were chatting, I just need to let you know that I am the real Emily. And to be so fair a Leslie, I would have done the exact same thing.42:44Speaker 1 Who wouldn't You're telling Emily.42:46Speaker 2 Blunt that her most iconic role, her first big role, that blew up her career is based on you. I would have dropped that and just been like, like, she she's gonna lose her mind. And apparently Emily Blunt couldn't care less. She said oh and just like went on with the conversation. Now did she not hear her or have so many people in the fashion industry said things like that to her before trying to have an in with her? She was like, oh, or was she maybe like and maybe like alarms went up and she was like, Oh, is this woman gonna say to me at my friend's house like she didn't like my portrayal because she plays her really nasty in a funny way.43:21Speaker 1 Is she gonna like.43:22Speaker 2 Ask me, you know some sort of like inside a question? Does she know something? She worked with the woman who wrote this book and like everyone I know doesn't like that woman, like it was a lot so or does she just is Emily Blunt so cool? She just genuinely did not care.43:35Speaker 3 I feel like Emily Blunt just doesn't care. I really like it, but sometimes intrigues me.43:41Speaker 2 I can't believe that because if you met any person, like if you met the person who was the real person behind a role you played as an actor.43:49Speaker 1 Wouldn't you be interested in that? I ignore people would Yeah, I know.43:53Speaker 2 Some actors don't like to meet the person because they don't want the lines to be blur, they don't want to feel like they can't show them in their worse or they don't want to sort of like do a parody of a person. Yeah, but like that shit is sailed like she did it for the first time twenty years ago. Yeah, Devil was prior to too, wasn't filmed at the time. But also there was no inkling that Devil's product she was ever gonna happen. Yeah, I just want and I'm sure someone will ask Emily Blunt the next time she does a lot of press, and I'm so interested in her answer that. Yeah, it's almost like you feel bad for Leslie.44:22Speaker 3 Like it would have just been at least nice, Like as much as I think she people really like the Emily character and stuff she does.44:29Speaker 1 Speak about it at the.44:30Speaker 3 Time, like people in the industry all knew that it was based on her and her being really scared of how she'd be perceived or if she'd be hired again, or what would happened to her career based on this version of the history they went through together. And she also says like Lauren never called her, Lauren never gave her a heads up, like they have not spoken since, so it's not like how Andy and Emily got along in the end. That's not what has happened here. So she's kind of gone through that never outed herself, goes up to the woman who played her, thinking, oh, we can at least have a nice discussion, and she just.44:56Speaker 1 Gets like kind of ghosted. I don't know that would suck. I think Emily Blunch probably reconsider talking to her about that.45:04Speaker 3 Well.45:04Speaker 2 It's such an interesting interview, and we'll link the whole thing in our show notes.45:07Speaker 1 Because we've only sort of scratched the surface. There's a lot more in there. So good.45:10Speaker 3 Thank you so much for listening to The Spill today. Don't forget to follow us on socials. We will pop all of the links in the show notes. We will be back in your feed bright and early tomorrow morning with morning Tea hosted by Ash London. The Spill is produced by Minisihaswarren, with video production by Michael King.45:24Speaker 1 Bye Bye,Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The countdown to the 2026 Met Gala has begun and the momentous occasion means that Voguers from far and wide are flying into New York City, including none other than our very own Chioma Nnadi. Reunited at last, Chioma, Chloe, and Nicole gathered in the studio—on the same day as another royal's visit to the World Trade Center—and caught up.Earlier this week, Vogue hosted its second Book Club gathering at Metrograph; a celebration of reading Lauren Weisberger's The Devil Wears Prada accompanied by a screening of the sequel which comes to theaters on May 1. After the film wrapped, Chloe invited Vogue alumni Kate Young and Billy Norwich to join her on stage for a live podcast taping. Kate, who started as Anna's assistant in the late nineties and Billy, who was then a writer and editor at Vogue, shared memories and spoke about their initial reactions to the book and movie when they first came out. Billy actually accompanied Anna to the 2006 premiere at the Paris Theater and told Chloe that she wanted to wear Prada because “that was her intense humor.” He also spoke about the test he created with the late Charles Gandee which went viral last year when the New York Times published a multiple choice interactive version titled “Could You Have Landed A Job At Vogue in the ‘90s?”Not all of the reminiscing was so rose-colored. Kate recalled feeling hurt after she read the galley. “At the time she was just making fun of us.” As for Billy, his pet peeve was that “every time I'd get on an airplane that's what was playing. So I couldn't escape it.” The podcast trio also discussed the age-old question which surfaced in light of this week's Chanel show: what is cruise or resort season in the fashion world? Despite many attempts to answer this conundrum, year after year someone always needs a refresher. Nicole's simplest explanation: “cruise is this in-between season, between fall and spring.” The show itself also had the whole office, and broader fashion community, talking particularly about the pair of not-shoe shoes that several models sported on the runway. This near-naked foot look is certainly not practical, but perhaps it'll be making its way onto red carpets in the future. Chioma also brought up the big news that Zoe Kravitz and Harry Styles, after a relatively brief courtship, are engaged. The rock is nothing to scoff at! And in other news, ahead of the first Monday in May, Vogue Cafe is popping up in NYC this weekend on Saturday and Sunday at Altro Paradiso. Get your tickets in the Vogue app—we'll see you there. The Run-Through with Vogue is your go-to podcast where fashion meets culture. Hosted by Chloe Malle, Head of Editorial Content, Vogue U.S.; Chioma Nnadi, Head of British Vogue; and Nicole Phelps, Director of Vogue Runway, each episode features the latest fashion news and exclusive designer and celebrity interviews. Learn about your ad choices: dovetail.prx.org/ad-choices

Approximate Timestamps (adjust by a few minutes due to ads) 00:00 - Megan Thee Stallion 03:17 - Movie Corner: Michael, Erupcja13:15 - TV Corner: Running Point, Imperfect Women, Euphoria21:59 - Ads23:59 - Jacob Elordi and Kendall Jenner28:17 - Zoe Kravitz and Harry Styles33:45 - NYT 30 Greatest Living Songwriters36:49 - Nicki Minaj and Kenneth Petty41:21 - Sports Corner: Mike Vrabel and Dianna Russini46:17 - Zeus Network54:06 - Music Corner: Noah Kahan, Grace Ives57:21 - Russell Brand01:01:31 - Outro Join our Patreon for more content! - patreon.com/Beyondtheblinds Follow us on Instagram - instagram.com/beyondtheblindspod Kelli on IG - Instagram.com/laguna_biotch Troy on IG - Instagram.com/troyjeanspears Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dominick brings a BOMBSHELL story that SHAKES THE FOUNDATION OF THE PODCAST on this week's Pre-Fixe (Trigger Warning: GOALS), while Drake continues to be a menace and the internet rejoices Zoe Kravitz and Harry Styles' engagement. Then, internet celebrity and co-host of My Friend, My Soulmate, My Podcast Christian Gray Snow joins to fix Clay Aiken. They talk about American Idol, the national divide between Clay and Season 2 Winner Ruben Studdard, his music career post-idol, his campaigns for political office, and much more.You can find Christian at @christiangraysnow and you can find his podcast My Friend, My Soulmate, My Podcast here!You can find Dom at dommentary.com.You can find Chris at @thechrisderosa.Follow the show at @fixingfamouspeople and on YouTube.Subscribe to the Patreon Fixing Bonus People here.You can GIFT the Patreon to someone here.And listen to FREE Examples of the Patreon Bonus Content here!Or Subscribe to A La Carte Episodes in the Apple Podcast App.Pre-Fixe Ends around 1:00:50.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Outlouders, enjoy this free taster of Mia Freedman, Holly Wainwright and Emily Vernem on our subscribers only episode. You can listen to the full conversation: 'Scurrilous Gossip: An Engagement, An Affair & A Royal F-You' here. What do you mean, you're not a subscriber yet? Solve that problem HERE. Harry Styles is engaged and the man has chosen wisely. So how did he and fellow serial monogamist Zoe Kravitz tell everyone that yes, the search is off. Millennial icon Lena Dunham’s memoir Famesick finally addresses the very famous man she dated for years and the 'teenage pop star' who got blamed for their split. And… a Royal Update: Charles and Trump’s lipreading row, Harry’s (next) fake royal tour and what Princess Kate did on ANZAC Day.

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Ariana Grande dropping a new album was not on my 2026 bingo card, and neither was Harry Styles getting engaged. We're chatting about 'Petal', Harry Styles and Zoë Kravitz's engagement, Megan Thee Stallion and Klay Thompson, and so much more. Subscribe to my Substack: http://toopoptohandle.substack.comFollow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/toopoptohandle/Follow me on TikTok: http://tiktok.com/@andrewnucatolaEpisode Chapters:00:00 Introduction 02:18 New Music Releases05:29 Ariana Grande announces 8th studio album ‘Petal'14:01 Hulu announces Ciara Miller and Maura Higgins join Dancing With the Stars Cast15:42 Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: Orange County cast announcement19:54 Summer House Reunion audio leaked23:37 Helena Bonham Carter leaves ‘The White Lotus' Season 4, Laura Dern to replace30:56 Megan Thee Stallion and Klay Thompson break up amid cheating scandal36:14 Harry Styles and Zoe Kravitz are engaged 40:46 Taylor Swift named one of the New York Times Best Living Song Writers50:52 Real Housewives of Rhode Island S1 E4 Recap57:14 Yes and Mess of the Week

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In this episode of Billy and Lisa in the Morning, the hosts dive into the latest entertainment news and discuss the upcoming movies Devil's Product and The Odyssey, starring Anne Hathaway. They also share their thoughts on the resurgence of movie theaters and the excitement around the Michael Jackson biopic. Additionally, they discuss the latest music releases, including a new song by Madonna and a collaboration with The Weeknd. The hosts also share a juicy update on Harry Styles and Zoe Kravitz's potential engagement, and Ryley shares her dating story, leaving listeners wondering if she's been ghosted or just needs to give her partner more time.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hour 1: Jack Quaid marries his ‘The Boys' co-star! Zoe Kravitz and Harry Styles are sparking engagement rumors thanks to a big ring on THAT finger. Would you listen to your friend if they told you to break off your engagement? Did Punxsutawney Phil get it right this year? Happy Earth Day, and Happy NFL Draft Eve. Terrible stuff, Mountain Dew. The troubling truth behind ‘Ain't No Sunshine,' but Sarah will still be listening to it. Is 420 getting more popular than Earth Day? Prices of certain latex baggies are going up 30%. Are black and white photos back? No, Instagram messed up. Hour 2: Remember Elizabeth Smart? She's doing great. ‘Secrets Lives of Mormon Wives' has resumed filming - including Taylor Frankie Paul?? Do we dare get into Alex V. Alix? Scott Budman is on the show! What does it mean for Apple now that Tim Cook is leaving? Is building more housing the answer to the Bay Area's pricing problem? Scott has the answers! Hour 3: It's our weekly battle of the generations! Sarah's bestie Pat is back for GenX! Can he keep up a winning streak against this week's Zillennial? Evan, an on-air producer from 957TheGame, joins the trivia challenge. Let's Bridge The Gap! Then, Sarah and Pat perform - can Vinnie guess the Bay Area band? The Giants beat The Dodgers! Rumors are swirling that Ozzy and Emily from Season 50 of Survivor are DATING! The most affordable cities to actually buy a house. Hour 4: Dave Mason, singer and songwriter from Traffic, has passed away at 79. Drake buried the release date of his new album in ice, and a streamer found it. Rihanna's baby is setting diaper trends. Eminem is celebrating 18 years of sobriety. Patriot's coach Mike Vabrel is “having tough conversations” after being accused of having an affair. Rocky's puppeteer is eligible for an Oscar! Being alone in nature can actually make us feel less alone! Are Americans water snobs? Plus, When Did That Happen?

Jack Quaid marries his ‘The Boys' co-star! Zoe Kravitz and Harry Styles are sparking engagement rumors thanks to a big ring on that finger. Would you listen to your friend if they told you to break off your engagement? Did Punxsutawney Phil get it right this year? Happy Earth Day, and Happy NFL Draft Eve. Terrible stuff, Mountain Dew. The troubling truth behind ‘Ain't No Sunshine,' but Sarah will still be listening to it. Is 420 getting more popular than Earth Day? Prices of certain latex baggies are going up 30%. Are black and white photos back? No, Instagram messed up.

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