Podcasts about dancing mindfulness

Dr. Jamie Marich is a clinical trauma specialist, author, and recovery advocate from Ohio. She founded the Institute for Creative Mindfulness and developed the Dancing Mindfulness approach. With a Ph.D. in Human Services, she has written several books, including EMDR Made Simple and Dissociation Made Simple. Dr. Marich is also known for her advocacy in mental health and LGBTQ+ issues, with her memoir You Lied to Me About God.   Connect with Jamie: https://jamiemarich.com/   Additional Resources:

Drew & Garden System welcome Alicia Leigh Hann to discuss the healing power of dance & movement when one is a multiple!Alicia is a dance educator, performer, and choreographer based out of Columbus Ohio. She fell in love with dance because of its endless possibilities for creative physical expression. Movement has been an integral part of her personal recovery from a trauma induced eating disorder. Alicia has taught dance technique and facilitated movement experiences in therapeutic, classroom and community settings, as well as performed and set work nationally. She aims to foster an appreciation of dance as a physical, emotional, intellectual, and spiritual pursuit.  Alicia serves as the director of operations for the Institute for Creative Mindfulness where she gets to combine her administrative skills with her passion for helping people find healing through self-expression with programs like Dancing Mindfulness and mental health advocacy. She takes pride in being the supportive role which allows ICM's faculty of mental health clinicians to create and train curriculum to providers, leading to therapeutic healing for their clients. Please visit our website at acoupleofmultiples.com to join our mailing list and learn all about our private, paid community called Hearts Multiplied for people with dissociative disorders, their supporters, and mental health professionals treating DID.We are honored to have a gold plus sponsor for season 2! The Institute for Creative Mindfulness is one of the largest EMDR Therapy training programs in North America, founded and directed by Dr. Jamie+ Marich, author of Dissociation Made Simple. Dr. Jamie is the only EMDR therapy trainer who is "out" as a plural, and since 20 15 she's offered the full EMDR Therapy basic training in a way that honors lived experience and destigmatizes dissociation in clinical work. We have never felt more accepted and validated as a multiple than when we were able to show up authentically as Garden System for our basic EMDR training. Having lived experience is valued and respected in these training courses. Go to www.instituteforcreativemindfulness.com for a full list of upcoming trainings, both online and in-person, offered by Dr. Jamie and her selected network of EMDR trainers. Are you interested in becoming a sponsor? Please send an email to admin@acoupleofmultiples.com to request more information.Send us a Text Message.

The journey of an LGBTQ+ persons life, more often than not, requires the GOD TALK. And even more often that not, that conversation kills their desire to talk about GOD. Today we have a candid discussion, just in time for Pride month, about the relationship you can have with GOD and all the lies you've been told. Author Dr. Jamie Marich shares her forthcoming book - You Lied to Me About God: A Memoir - is a captivating journey to coming to terms with being a Christian and a bisexual - OH MY! It's also available for pre-order now, wherever books are sold. In this episode you'll Discover how you can be Christian and a bisexual Unlock the answers for being with God in your own way Learn how God speaks to you and loves you even when extreme Christians want you gone About Jamie Dr. Jamie Marich (she/they) inspires people and systems to heal the wounds that keep them stuck, allowing for authentic transformation free of shame and stigma. A TEDx speaker, clinical trauma specialist, expressive artist, lay spiritual director, short filmmaker, Reiki master, yoga teacher, and recovery advocate, she unites all of these elements in her mission to redefine therapy. She is a woman in long-term recovery from an addictive disorder and lives with dissociative identities. As a queer woman who survived multiple spiritually abusive experiences in childhood and adulthood, Jamie is passionate about helping people to recognize where religion and spirituality may be causing harm in their lives so that they can chart a course for personalized healing. Jamie travels internationally teaching on topics related to trauma, EMDR therapy, expressive arts, and spiritual abuse while maintaining a private practice and online education operations in her home base of Akron, Ohio. Marich is the founder of the Institute for Creative Mindfulness and the developer of the Dancing Mindfulness approach to expressive arts therapy. Her new book - You Lied to Me About God: A Memoir - captures her story about the tumultuous she has had to be with God and the candid ways she has chosen to be Christian and a bisexual. Available for pre-order now. Connect With Jamie Website Instagram Facebook LinkedIn YouTube

Dr. Jamie Marich is a facilitator of transformative experiences. A clinical trauma specialist, expressive artist, writer, yoga teacher, performer, short filmmaker, Reiki master, TEDx speaker, and recovery advocate. Marich has taught conscious dance seminars at various conferences nationally, internationally, and online, and has trained more than 500 facilitators in the Dancing Mindfulness practice. She is also the author of several books including the original Trauma and the 12 Steps.    Dr. Stephen Dansiger is a master EMDR therapist and provider of EMDR Basic Training and Advanced Topics Courses with the Institute for Creative Mindfulness, and has helped set up the premiere Buddhist addictions rehab center, Refuge Recovery Centers. He has been practicing Buddhist mindfulness for almost 30 years (including a one year residency at a Zen monastery), and teaches dharma classes regularly in Los Angeles and other centers internationally.   TAKEAWAYS: [3:40] Why did Dr. Jamie and Dr. Stephen write a Trauma and the 12 Steps workbook?  [6:40] Dr. Jamie loves writing books because it's accessible for everyone, especially those who might not be able to afford therapy.  [7:35] What made Dr. Stephen excited to collaborate with Dr. Jamie?  [11:55] How do people heal their trauma while they're also reliving it?  [13:40] What is the greatest gift about being a therapist specializing in trauma?  [17:00] Why throw 12-step practices into this mix of trauma and healing? [21:00] People enjoy the structure that 12 Steps brings and it makes it easier for them to follow a healing journey if they know what to expect. [30:00] Dr. Jamie talks about Step 6 and how it can perpetuate feelings of shame.  [33:40] Now that you know about your trauma, what are the next steps? It's important not to fall into a victim mindset. [43:30] What is mindfulness, really?  [47:55] Many people who have come into a 12-step program have been wounded by God, and end up missing out on a wealth of knowledge and healing.  [50:20] What books should you start with first?    RESOURCES: Sex and Relationship Healing @RobWeissMSW Sex Addiction 101  Seeking Integrity Cruise Control: Understanding Sex Addiction in Gay Men  Prodependence: Moving Beyond Codependency Out of the Doghouse by Robert Weiss Drjamiemarich.com Drdansiger.com Traumamadesimple.com   QUOTES: “There is not a separation between trauma therapy and 12 Steps, and Buddhist practice. It all goes together.” “Hurt people hurt people, but how I really like to reframe that is trauma is this phononym where you can bleed all over each other.” “Yes I am responsible for adult behavior but I am not a bad person. I wasn't responsible for what happened to me, but how I learned to adapt and survive, I am responsible for.”

 In this podcast, Paul Krauss MA LPC interviews Erin Craig LLMSW as they dive into “Dancing Mindfulness”—a unique way to express feelings through movement, facilitate healing traumas, and work toward regulating your nervous system. Dancing Mindfulness is an integrative health technique which is facilitated by licensed therapists to help people who are seeking alternative approaches and deeper healing. Along with movement, Dancing Mindfulness brings in many elements of education such as trauma-informed science, polyvagal theory, and mindfulness based cognitive therapy, all while encouraging self-expression and reflection. Erin currently co-facilitates the group with Sarah Denick, LMSW at Health for Life Counseling in Grand Rapids, MI. We also learn about Erin Craig LLMSW and how she ventured into more somatic therapeutic exercises. “I truly believe that movement is our first language… [this technique] can move past cultural barriers and reach entire communities.” -Erin Craig, LLMSW  • Dancing Mindfulness which was developed by Dr. Jamie Marich out of her own healing journey and is an approach to addressing symptoms and feelings in our lives that doesn't rely on talking. "Each session of Dancing Mindfulness will begin with education or information about the topic for the day (a mindfulness concept, trauma and the body, etc.), which will then be followed by freestyle dance paired with a theme and music. We will then end each session with a relaxation practice. There is no dance experience required, all skill levels are welcome!
" Erin Craig LLMSW been a therapist in the Grand Rapids, MI area for over five years. She works with clients individually and runs Dancing Mindfulness groups.  Learn more about the Dancing Mindfulness Group held in the Spring of 2023 as well as ongoing groups through Move with GR and Health for Life Counseling in West Michigan and Grand Rapids, MI.  Learn more about Erin here. You can also email Erin at this address: craige@mail.gvsu.edu Get involved with the National Violence Prevention Hotline: 501(c)(3) Donate Share with your network Write your congressperson Sign our Petition Looking for excellent medical billing services? Check out Therapist Billing Services. A behavioral and mental health billing service developed by therapists for therapists. Preview an Online Video Course for the Parents of Young Adults (Parenting Issues) EMDR Training Solutions (For all your EMDR training needs!) Paul Krauss MA LPC is the Clinical Director of Health for Life Counseling Grand Rapids, home of The Trauma-Informed Counseling Center of Grand Rapids. Paul is also a Private Practice Psychotherapist, an Approved EMDRIA Consultant , host of the Intentional Clinician podcast, Behavioral Health Consultant, Clinical Trainer, and Counseling Supervisor. Paul is now offering consulting for a few individuals and organizations. Paul is the creator of the National Violence Prevention Hotline (in progress) as well as the Intentional Clinician Training Program for Counselors. Paul has been quoted in the Washington Post, NBC News, and Wired Magazine. Questions? Call the office at 616-200-4433.  If you are looking for EMDRIA consulting groups, Paul Krauss MA LPC is now hosting weekly online and in-person groups.  For details, click here. For general behavioral and mental health consulting for you or your organization. Follow Health for Life Grand Rapids: Instagram   |   Facebook     |     Youtube  Original Music: ”Alright" from the forthcoming album Mystic by PAWL (Spotify) “Meeting Eddie Smith” from Reggae Film Star by Damien Jurado (Bandcamp) “Roger” from Reggae Film Star by Damien Jurado (Bandcamp)

Today we are deep diving into mental health, therapy and dissociation. Dr. Jaimie Marich is an expert in trauma, dissociation and the new ways we are treating people for mental health. As a respected and sought after trauma specialist, the founder of the institute for creative mindfulness, and the author of countless books, she is here to tell us that dissociation is not a dirty word. Mental health is changing and the way that we address it must change as well. Marich is the founder of The Institute for Creative Mindfulness. Jamie's latest book Dissociation Made Simple: A Stigma-Free Guide to Embracing Your Dissociative Mind and Navigating Life is out now. Connect with: Dr. Jamie! Websites: www.instituteforcreativemindfulness.com www.dancingmindfulness.com  www.jamiemarich.com  Guest Bio: Dr. Jamie Marich (she/they) describes herself as a facilitator of transformative experiences. A clinical trauma specialist, expressive artist, writer, yogini, performer, short filmmaker, Reiki master, TEDx speaker, and recovery advocate, she unites all of these elements in her mission to inspire healing in others. She began her career as a humanitarian aid worker in Bosnia-Hercegovina from 2000-2003, primarily teaching English and music while freelancing with other projects. Jamie travels internationally teaching on topics related to trauma, EMDR therapy, expressive arts, mindfulness, and yoga, while maintaining a private practice and online education operations in her home base of Northeast Ohio. Jamie is the author of numerous books on trauma recovery and healing, with many more projects in the works. Marich is the founder of The Institute for Creative Mindfulness. Her bibliography currently includes: EMDR Made Simple (2011), Trauma and the Twelve Steps (2012), Creative Mindfulness (2013), Trauma Made Simple (2014), Dancing Mindfulness: A Creative Path to Healing and Transformation (2015),  EMDR Therapy & Mindfulness for Trauma Focused Care (2018, with Dr. Stephen Dansiger), and Process Not Perfection: Expressive Arts Solutions for Trauma Recovery (2019). She has also written guest chapters and contributions for several other published collections. North Atlantic Books released a revised and expanded edition of Trauma and the 12 Steps, in the Summer of 2020. Jamie's own company, Creative Mindfulness Media, published two supplemental resources, a daily meditations and reflections reader and a trauma-responsive step workbook in the Autumn of 2020 to accompany. Her newest release with Dr. Stephen Dansiger, Healing Addiction with EMDR Therapy: A Trauma-Focused Guide is out as of August 2021 from Springer Publishing Company. Her next book, Dissociation Made Simple: A Stigma-Free Guide to Embracing Your Dissociative Mind and Navigating Life is scheduled for a release of January 10, 2023 with North Atlantic Books. Jamie was interviewed as a master clinician in the DVD, Trauma Treatment: Psychotherapy for the 21st Century (2012) alongside icons like Dr. Bessel van der Kolk, Dr. Peter Levine, Dr. Robert Scaer, and Belleruth Naparstek. Jamie had the privilege of offering trauma recovery retreats at the Kripalu School for Yoga & Health, the Esalen Institute, and the Amrit Yoga Institute. In 2015, Marich launched her own EMDRIA-Approved EMDR Therapy training curriculum and now enjoys training a new generation of EMDR clinicians alongside her global team of collaborative faculty members and consultants. The New York Times featured her work with Dancing Mindfulness in 2017 and 2020 as part of their Meditation for Real Life series. Join the Warrior Women Mastermind! Schedule a call with Liz! calendly.com/lizsvatek/zoom-meeting Take Liz's Limitless Warrior 12 week program and change your life! www.lizsvatek.com/limitless-warrior/

Welcome back to Therapy Chat! As we welcome the New Year, we are welcoming new perspectives. This week's episode is all about reconsidering what you've always thought about dissociation (if you've thought about it at all!).   This week's guest is Dr. Jamie+ Marich. Jamie/Dr. Jamie uses she/they pronouns, identifying as a bisexual woman in recovery from a substance-related disorder who is part of a dissociative system. She is also an internationally recognized speaker, trainer in EMDR and expressive arts, the author of many books, and a psychotherapist in private practice.  Their newest book, Dissociation Made Simple, includes stories shared by Jamie/Dr. Jamie and 61 contributors, nearly 40 of whom are mental health clinicians living with dissociative disorders. The book is for anyone to learn about dissociation, and the stories shared truly demystify this misunderstood and highly stigmatized experience.   Listen in to hear Laura and Jamie+ discuss:   - Reconceptualizing trauma - Understanding the spectrum of dissociation - Bias and misinformation in the therapy community about Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) - Intersectionality of oppression and how it plays into stigma surrounding trauma and mental health, especially around dissociation - How to use the book - Speaking truth to powerful systems and institutions - Pierre Janet and Sigmund Freud   Dr. Jamie+ Marich (she/they) describes themselves as a facilitator of transformative experiences. A clinical trauma specialist, expressive artist, writer, yogini, performer, short filmmaker, reiki master, TEDx speaker, and recovery advocate, she unites all of these elements in her mission to inspire healing in others. Jamie is a woman in long-term recovery from an addictive disorder and is living loudly and proudly as a woman with a dissociative disorder with the goal of smashing stigma about dissociation in the mental health field and in society at large.    Jamie+ began her career as a humanitarian aid worker in Bosnia- Herzegovina from 2000–2003, primarily teaching English and music. Jamie travels internationally teaching on topics related to trauma, EMDR Therapy, expressive arts, mindfulness, and yoga, while maintaining a private practice and online education operations in her home base of northeast Ohio. Jamie is the founder of The Institute for Creative Mindfulness and the developer of the Dancing Mindfulness approach to expressive arts therapy. She is the developer of Yoga for Clinicians.  Resources Find Jamie's interviews, articles, etc here: www.traumamadesimple.com Learn more about Dissociation Made Simple and Jamie at: https://redefinetherapy.com/ Learn about EMDR Training through Institute for Creative Mindfulness here.  Purchase Jamie Marich's books on Amazon: EMDR Made Simple: 4 Approaches for Using EMDR with Every Client (2011);  Trauma and the Twelve Steps (2020);  Creative Mindfulness (2013);  Trauma Made Simple: Competencies in Assessment, Treatment, and Working with Survivors (2014);  Dancing Mindfulness: A Creative Path to Healing and Transformation (2015); and  Process Not Perfection: Expressive Arts Solutions for Trauma Recovery (2019).  Jamie coauthored EMDR Therapy & Mindfulness for Trauma- Focused Care along with colleague Dr. Stephen Dansiger in 2018,  Healing Addiction with EMDR Therapy: A Trauma-Focused Guide, was published in 2021. 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Jamie Marich, Ph.D., LPCC-S, LICDC-CS, REAT, RYT-500, RMT (she/they) travels internationally speaking on topics related to EMDR therapy, trauma, addiction, expressive arts and mindfulness while maintaining a private practice and online education operations, the Institute for Creative Mindfulness, in her home base of Warren, OH. She is the developer of the Dancing Mindfulness approach to expressive arts therapy, and the developer of Yoga for Clinicians.  Jamie is the author of numerous books, including the popular EMDR Made Simple, Trauma Made Simple, and Process Not Perfection. She is the co-author of EMDR Therapy and Mindfulness for Trauma Focused Care, and Healing Addiction with EMDR Therapy: A Trauma-Focused Guide. North Atlantic Books published a revised and expanded edition of Trauma and the 12 Steps in the Summer of 2020, and they are also publishing The Healing Power of Jiu-Jitsu: A Guide to Transforming Trauma and Facilitating Recovery and Dissociation Made Simple (both due out in 2022).Jamie is a woman living unapologetically with a Dissociative Disorder, and this forms the basis of her award-winning passion for advocacy in the mental health field. In this conversation, we discuss:Jamie's Recovery JourneyHow trauma is definedThe relationship between trauma and addictionThe connection between addiction and dissociation The virtues and pitfalls of the 12-StepsHow we can adapt the 12-Steps to be more trauma-informedHow to find a meeting that's right for youHow to find a sponsor or mentorOvercoming spiritual abuse and religious traumaThe healing power of animalsTo see a full listing of Jamie's books, please visit: https://www.drjamiemarich.com/books--media.htmlFor Jamie's complimentary resources page, go to: http://www.traumamadesimple.comTo learn about training or studying with Jamie please go to: http://www.instituteforcreativemindfulness.com ___Be sure to follow @sunandmoon.soberliving on Instagram and subscribe on the Sun & Moon Sober Living website for more resources.

Ornella Matta-Figueroa is certified coach, working on a Ph.D in Mind-Body Medicine. Ornella was called to the healing path 5 years ago. Intuitive body and energy worker she has a calling to create spaces for healing, expression, connection, counsel, and integration. She is a collaborative and servant leader. Certified in Dancing Mindfulness and co-creator of Sacred Raves, Ornella has been supporting individuals as they address trauma in their bodies through movement and return to inner guidance. She finds most joy in creating containers for healing, using a mixture of spirit and research. She also sings and enjoys creating, sharing, and participating in music Ornella has dedicated her life to working with young people. Whether it be her own children or professionally the last 15 years has been focused on youth work in a variety of capacities. She has worked as a youth facilitator, director of programs, summer program coordinator, and as assistant director in higher education. Ornella feels excited to join the SafeArt team. She looks forward to a deepening connection with the team and participants so that she may support in the healing of trauma in our communities. Connect with Ornella | @deciviling on Instagram, FB, & TwitterSafeart | www.safeart.orgTuskegeeTrauma | https://www.cdc.gov/tuskegee/timeline.htmBrene Brown | https://brenebrown.com/Secular Humanism | https://secularhumanism.org/what-is-secular-humanism/★ Support this podcast ★

FEATURED GUESTS: Jamie Marich, Ph.D., LPCC-S, LICDC-CS, REAT, RYT-500, RMT (she/they) travels internationally speaking on topics related to EMDR therapy, trauma, addiction, expressive arts and mindfulness while maintaining a private practice and online education operations, the Institute for Creative Mindfulness, in her home base of Warren, OH. She is the developer of the Dancing Mindfulness approach to expressive arts therapy, and the developer of Yoga for Clinicians. Jamie is the author of numerous books, including the popular EMDR Made Simple, Trauma Made Simple, and Process Not Perfection. She is the co-author of EMDR Therapy and Mindfulness for Trauma Focused Care, and Healing Addiction with EMDR Therapy: A Trauma-Focused Guide (out later this year from Springer Publishing Company). North Atlantic Books published a revised and expanded edition of Trauma and the 12 Steps in the Summer of 2020, and they are also publishing The Healing Power of Jiu-Jitsu: A Guide to Transforming Trauma and Facilitating Recovery and Dissociation Made Simple (both due out in 2022). Jamie is a woman living unapologetically with a Dissociative Disorder, and this forms the basis of her award-winning passion for advocacy in the mental health field. For more information on how to connect with her work, go to: www.jamiemarich.com LISTEN & LEARN: Historical connection between Mindfulness and EMDR. Various Expressive Arts Modalities which lend themselves to bi-lateral processing in EMDR. The origin of Dancing Mindfulness. How the practice of Jiu-Jitsu has been personally transformative in Dr. Marich's personal healing and it's potentiality to help empower trauma survivors. RESOURCES MENTIONED ON THE SHOW: www.jamiemarich.com https://www.instituteforcreativemindfulness.com/ EMDR Made Simple Trauma Made Simple Process Not Perfection EMDR Therapy and Mindfulness for Trauma Focused Care Healing Addiction with EMDR Therapy: A Trauma-Focused Guide Trauma & The 12 steps The Healing Power of Jiu-Jitsu: A Guide to Transforming Trauma and Facilitating Recovery and Dissociation Made Simple (coming in 2022 by Springer Publishing) TRAINING AT THE EXPRESSIVE THERAPIES SUMMIT: Intro to Dancing Mindfulness via ZOOM on 11/20/2021

The Balance Between Boundaries and Humanity An interview with Jamie Marich, Ph.D, on what it means to redefine therapy and how therapists can incorporate this idea into their practice. Curt and Katie talk with Jamie about the importance of therapists being vulnerable both with clients and publicly about their own mental health struggles to reduce the mental health stigma. We also explore factors that keep therapists from being vulnerable as well as other therapeutic and cultural considerations when doing so. It's time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.   Interview with Jamie Marich, Ph.D, Dr. Jamie Marich (she/they) is a clinical trauma specialist, expressive artist, writer, yogini, performer, short filmmaker, Reiki master, TEDx speaker, and recovery advocate, she unites all of these elements in her mission to inspire healing in others. Jamie maintains a private practice and online education operations in her home base of Warren, OH. Marich is the founder of the Institute for Creative Mindfulness and the developer of the Dancing Mindfulness approach to expressive arts therapy. Marich is the author of several books, including EMDR Made Simple: 4 Approaches for Using EMDR with Every Client (2011), Trauma and the Twelve Steps: A Complete Guide for Recovery Enhancement (2012), Trauma Made Simple: Competencies in Assessment, Treatment, and Working with Survivors, and Dancing Mindfulness: A Creative Path to Healing and Transformation (2015). NALGAP: The Association of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Addiction Professionals and Their Allies awarded Jamie with their esteemed President's Award in 2015 for her work as an LGBT advocate. The EMDR International Association (EMDRIA) granted Jamie the 2019 Advocacy in EMDR Award for her using her public platform in media and in the addiction field to advance awareness about EMDR therapy. Marich is in long-term addiction recovery and is actively living with a Dissociative Disorder. In this episode we talk about: Who Jamie Marich is and what she puts out in the world. The story behind #RedefineTherapy. A look at what needs to be redefined in therapy and why. Discussion about balancing the art and science of therapy to allow for more flexibility within our field. Factors that contribute to clinicians rigidly adhering to evidenced based practices. How clinicians can make changes at a societal level to redefine therapy. The importance of clinicians being vulnerable and sharing their own struggles with mental health. An exploration of the balance between being authentic/vulnerable with clients and setting appropriate boundaries. Cultural considerations in redefining therapy. What keeps therapist from being vulnerable in therapy. Using a both/and approach to merge how therapy has been done in the past and how it will be done in the future as therapy continues to be redefined and reimagined. Our Generous Sponsor: Buying Time, LLC Buying Time is a full team of Virtual Assistants, with a wide variety of skill sets to support your business. 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You can find that checklist at BuyingTimellc.com/system-checklist   Curt Widhalm  00:31 Listen at the end of the episode for more information.   Announcer  00:34 You're listening to the Modern Therapist Survival Guide where therapists live, breathe and practice as human beings to support you as a whole person and a therapist. Here are your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy.   Curt Widhalm  00:50 Welcome back modern therapists. This is the Modern Therapist Survival Guide. I'm Curt Widhalm with Katie Vernoy. And this is the podcast about all things therapists. And we are once again joined by one of our audience's favorite, one of my favorite people. Dr. Jamie Marich. She's back with us for a third time, she has talked about dissociation before, trauma, and the 12 steps. She's joining us as one of our keynote presenters at Therapy Reimagined 2021. And just always so pleasant to have you. And thank you for spending some of your day with us.   Jamie Marich  01:27 Well, it's my great pleasure to be here again for the third time.     Katie Vernoy  01:32 First, third time guests first real third time guests. Sorry, Ben. I'm excited. So we'll definitely put your other episodes in our show notes so people can find all of the wonderful knowledge that you've shared. But for our new listeners, who are you and what are you putting out into the world.   Jamie Marich  01:50 So I am Jamie Marich, my pronouns are she/they, I am the founder and director of the Institute for Creative Mindfulness. That's my main professional gig. We are a training program primarily focusing on EMDR therapy. Yet, we also do training in expressive arts therapy and some of the modalities that are related. Curt was in one of our first classes of EMDR therapy training. So Curt has a special place in our heart. And EMDR therapy has been my primary trauma modality that I've used through my whole career. Although expressive arts trauma and forming 12 step work, clinical trauma focused yoga, meditation, I do a lot of things, because I do think that is required to be a good trauma focused therapist to have have a pretty amazing repertoire. So I also write books, I love to write mostly for other clinicians, yet some of the writing I've done has also ventured out into reaching the general public. And I just love hanging out and chatting with people who are doing innovative things. Because to really change this world, we don't just need to think outside of the box. I really think we need to shatter it and a lot of ways. So I'm game to chat with people who are doing that.   Curt Widhalm  03:02 We have Therapy Reimagined. And you've been using hashtag redefine therapy kind of independently, we've kind of each come to our own conclusions in this. What's your story behind redefine therapy?   Jamie Marich  03:18 Yeah, so the redefine therapy hashtag was birthed in 2015. Right when my book dancing, mindfulness came out. So dancing, mindfulness is a movement modality that I, I don't like to say I created it because dance and mindfulness are two of the oldest healing mechanisms on the planet. I believe I put them together as a modality for trauma informed expressive arts therapy. And that happened pretty early on in my work. And then in 2015, I got to deal with skylight press publishing, to put out a book on Dancing Mindfulness that was more for encouraging people to develop an individualized practice and dancing mindfulness. And in the last chapter, I wrote in that book, how, yes, I'm a counselor, yes, I'm proud to be a counselor. But it's not really what's going on in traditional counseling offices that are exciting me so much anymore. It's what I see happening in communities with advocacy, what's happening in expressive modalities, what's happening with people connecting back with indigenous roots of healing. And I really think our therapy, especially our therapeutic profession, that's defined largely just by the talking cure needs a serious facelift. And I'm not that excited by therapy anymore, if that's what our field is going to be. And so I wrote up this chapter and then my editor at the time Emily comes back with Why don't you name this chapter redefining therapy? And I saw it I got chills. Everything in me said yes. And at the time, I thought was Oh, I can't do that. Like The establishment is going to think even more ill of me than they do already. But because I felt so excited by her suggesting that chapter titled redefining therapy, I said, This is what, this is what we got to do for sure. And then Holly Spielberg, who was my social media person at the time, started the hashtag redefine therapy. And I think since then, when you package together everything I do my approach to EMDR, my approach to therapy in general doing the expressive work, the community work. redefined. Therapy really defines who I am as a person. So it's very much a hashtag that I identify with and love to use.   Katie Vernoy  05:36 What parts of therapy needs redefining?   Jamie Marich  05:39 All of it? It's my gut answer. Well, oh, well, you know, where do I begin? I want to be very careful here. Because when I answer this question, I know it could come across like I am disparaging science, like I am disparaging research. And let me be very clear, I am not anti-science, especially around medical issues, as evidenced by what's going on in our modern climate. I do think, however, that when it comes to human services, when it comes to therapy, when it comes to the human condition, we actually do us a disservice by looking at it just as a science, because the human experience cannot be fully quantified. And I know a lot of people try, in order to legitimize us what we do as therapists to legitimize conditions like dissociative identity disorder, we have to scale it to prove that it exists. And as a result, a lot of the lived experience which really defined the building of healing professions gets neglected. So I trained in my doctoral work as a phenomenologist, which is a big fancy word saying the study of lived experience. And one of the core tenants of phenomenology as defined by Edmund Husserl is that the human experience cannot be quantified. That by its definition, phenomenology rejects any kind of Galilean scientific notions that the human experience can be quantified. And unfortunately, what what tends to happen is in in more modern times, when there's been more of this push to manualize, to go so medical model in order to legitimize what we're doing, a lot of the soul gets missing. And that's a idea that I have been emphasizing in a lot of my more recent writing. So I think if we're looking at overall, what needs to be redefined, it's that that therapists need to go back to listen, really listening to their clients. And I'm working on a new book right now. the working title is dissociation made simple, but we're still kind of playing around with that a little bit. Because I have other Made Simple books. But it's really giving me a platform to say everything I've ever really wanted to say about dissociation and in written form, I had the good chance, the good fortune for my interviews to interview Curt Rounds, and who's an EMDR legend and has been a mentor to me and was one of the true voices that I think really gets dissociation and the EMDR world and I asked him just like helped me understand your evolution, 40 years as a therapist, and he said something that really stuck with me that if you want to be a good therapist, work with a DID client and really listen to them, really listen to them. And so many of the other interviews that I'm doing for this book, which I'm in process of writing right now, are people revealing, I went to see a helper, whether that be a psychiatrist, whether that be a clinician, and it's like they were just throwing their fixes on me. And we're not really listening to what I needed.   Curt Widhalm  08:48 One of the things that I've really learned in my trainings under the Institute for Creative Mindfulness is really this embracing of providing a space for healing, that it's not just about treatment, as you just kind of defined in all of this kind of looking at the traditional therapeutic establishment, what is keeping them so rigid even as we do incorporate more and more different cultural ideals. We listen to more people with lived experience, we do take on more of this healing aspect. What's keeping the Fuddy duddies so rigid   Jamie Marich  09:32 I think it's a fear of them looking at their own trauma, a fear of them doing a lot of their own work. Even Curt and Katie amongst EMDR therapists who are, in theory supposed to be more trauma informed, right? I have observed such an us versus them mentality, with the people with complex trauma and dissociation. People with so called personality disorders and I find that once clinicians are willing to really drop that us versus them and do their own work, and I don't mean just like the 24 prerequisite hours, you may have to do in your graduate program, or just do a little spot check CBT here and there when you need it, but really do have yourself what you're asking your clients to do. And I think until the field embraces that more widespread, we are going to stay very stuck, we are going to stay very manualized we are going to stay very much in this, like expert pion type of role, which I don't think healing was ever intended to be in the first place. I mean, part of my work has taken me really into looking at indigenous roots of healing. And so many things from those indigenous cultures and their lessons of healing teaches us things like if you can go outside with people go outside with people - be in nature, it doesn't have to be so office bound, right? The importance of singing, silence, the expressive arts, dancing, drumming, getting actually experiential, with your healing, having a feeling experience, instead of just a thinking experience, is all very important. And I think so much of our modern culture has brought us to and I don't think there's necessarily anything unique about this last century that's done it, I think this has always been the human condition. And intense commercialization has just made it worse is this idea that feelings are bad. If you have feelings are weak. And I think as a society, we suffer long term and widespread from something I call feelings phobia. And I would wish that would not be an issue amongst clinical professionals. But the more and more clinical professionals I train, the more and more clinical professionals I interact with, there could still be this idea of I don't know what to do with their feelings, meaning my clients because I don't know what to do with my own. And that's where more of your cognitive manualized interventions just become safer.   Katie Vernoy  12:04 When there's so much of a competent space of like, I hear -  this is what I do I do this to the clients I am able to, it's very controlled. And I think the messiness of real life is lost when we get so manualized I'm I was just as you were talking, I was thinking about how, in community mental health, I was taught how to write a behavioral note, and how to get the clients to say the things that I needed for my behavioral treatment plan, like it became this puzzle that oftentimes had nothing to do with the client at all. And so to me, this idea of being able to embrace the the lived experience, the messiness, I love getting outside, I love all of the things that you're talking about, it seems so important for us to make these moves, but you're saying it's societal, like as a society, we're not going to be able to do what we need to do. How do we address it at a, at a societal level? I mean, as therapists if that's what we're doing, we need to address it at a societal level, what are the what are the moves to make here?   Jamie Marich  13:14 So first thing I don't know when exactly this is going to air, we're recording it here, kind of middle-ish of August. I look at what just happened with Simone Biles and the Olympics. And the decision that she made to take care of herself physically because mentally she was not in the best place. And as anybody who follows current events knows there tended to be a split opinion online on Twitter, a lot of us applauding her for taking care of herself and then people disparaging her as weak. And I mean, I applaud Michael Phelps who not just in response to what happened with Simone Biles, but for the last several years has really been drawing attention to, to the plight of mental health. Well, I don't think celebrity holds all the answers, because there's certainly a lot of issue with celebrity culture, too. I really feel that people coming out is more of the answer. And I'll speak to what that means for us as therapists too, because I do think it can have a lot of impact when people have celebrity who are admired especially and I know, this is gonna sound a little weird, but especially someone like Michael Phelps, who is the greatest of all time and swimming and somebody who's seen as like this behemoth, who had good mental strength and all of this and I just applaud his willingness in recent years to show his vulnerability. If you haven't seen the weight of gold on HBO, it's fantastic. It's a deep dive into what a lot of athletes go through. But even at a non celebrity level, more of us just need to come out about our struggles. And that needs to include professionals like us, who on the surface allegedly have our shit together, because we have podcasts and accompany and run conference and yeah, and all of this. And as both of you know, I have progressively come out more and more with my struggles with every year of my life here and more and more about my background. And I get so many messages of people saying things like, Thank you Dr Marich for your vulnerability, and I'm so grateful for it, etc, etc. And I told my friend once I live for the day, when that's not such an oddity, and I get those kind of messages, because I think everybody has a right and could make an impact if they learned to, or were inspired to embrace vulnerability to or got what they needed, that might be the better way to say it got what they needed to feel safe enough to come out and be more vulnerable about struggles,   Curt Widhalm  15:44 In that sense. And with all of the social change that has been happening here over the last couple of years, whether it's regard to COVID, whether it's in regard to Black Lives Matter. Or we as a field, actually embracing these ideals. I mean, I know, people like you, and Katie and myself are but are we seeing these echoes really come out that is creating the space, because it does feel like we're potentially at a tipping point in our field to, embrace this.     Jamie Marich  16:18 And I think like a lot of places have tipping points, you're naturally going to have people who want to embrace it, you're going to have people who want to resist it. And you'll have people in that middle ground who know that change is inevitable, know that it's probably going to be best for them and their folks they work with if they embrace change, but they're dealing with the cobwebs, the sticking points. What What is keeping me from doing this? and Curt, I'm glad you mentioned, so much of what has been brought to the surface in the last year or COVID and Black Lives Matter, of course, being the obvious examples, although both represents struggles that are nothing new, as far as I'm concerned, right. And, you know, questions come up all the time. Is it the space of the therapist to be an advocate? Is it the space of the therapist to be political? Or do we need to be this blank slate as much as possible for our clients? And the answer for me has always been both/and because I know, as a clinician, I need to be able to bracket my biases enough if I'm working with somebody who sees the world differently than me. But I also know that with my public face, I think the more and more we have a public face like us, the more that we're established in our therapeutic community, we have to speak up. We have to really be be an advocate for these kinds of changes. And for me, my main platform, I've mounted as being vulnerable about your struggles, because that's the only way we'll break this divide because I think so much of what ails the world, the human condition is this excessive tendency we have the other and one of my books I cite pastor Nadia Weber has a super awesome progressive preacher. And she says, “I think our drug of choice in this society is thinking we're better than other people.”   Katie Vernoy  18:05 Oh, yeah.   Jamie Marich  18:07 Yes. And, and I think a lot of the changes that dominant culture members are being asked to make requires them to look at release any implicit lessons they've gotten that they're somehow better than others. So there's that there's there's a lot of work to do. But I think it is important for therapists, especially therapists who are more public facing meaning who have podcasts or run conferences or run training organizations to take these stands. I mean, that's something that we as ICM looked at very deeply last year where I, I took bolder stances with some of the political stances that we took, knowing I might alienate some customers. Right now, the Institute for Creative Mindfulness is sponsoring an EMDR therapy training program specifically for BIPOC. Clinicians. ICM is fortunate enough to have enough staff members, team members who are persons of color where they can run the training and the rest of us can stay out of the way. We've gotten hate mail about that from other therapists from other therapists, because they see it as separatists and divisive and ignoring the fact that there's literature and research and lived experience to show how people of color can benefit from having their own spaces without the white gaze, and how so many folks who are coming into the BIPOC training now are saying they were hesitant to do EMDR training before because they weren't sure how they were going to be met.   Katie Vernoy  19:44 It's a very different stance that you're describing. Then obviously the blank slate and curtain I've obviously talked about this a number of times that that the blank slate is bullshit but like how you know only only white men can be blank slates, right? I mean, there's, there's something we're bringing into the room. But even in that regard, I don't think that's true, either. It's just anyway, I won't go down that rabbit hole. But I think it's something where, when you've been talking about this vulnerability in public spaces, and an even this, us/them and getting rid of the stem, for me, I just have been really reflecting on conversations I've had with my own therapist, when I start relating to the stories that my clients have been telling and recognizing I'm like them, when I thought I wasn't, and, and it's, this is older work, but I felt like that was so monumental to me. And I hadn't realized how, like, the way you described, it really helped me put it into into kind of a frame is that in separating myself, it was very much for my safety and not for the benefit of the client. And I think oftentimes, the way when I was trained a million years ago, it was that we must kind of hold this safe frame, we have to kind of keep ourselves out of the room, we have to keep ourselves out of that. And we can't be vulnerable with our clients. And, and to me, I think it lacks an authenticity and it lacks connection. And it completely stifles creativity if we have to be so in this box of this protected space of I am the expert. So I don't know if I have a question there. But yeah,   Jamie Marich  21:40 I do have a response. Because to that, I would say and I'm really getting this lesson from doing the research on the new book. It's not to say we as therapists can't have boundaries with our clients. It's not to say we as therapists can't have boundaries about what we share publicly, because I think, and this is right from Brene Brown, how Yes, vulnerabilities, obviously, radically paraphrasing her. But basically, vulnerability is a good thing as she emphasizes in her work, but it does come with boundaries. So I think we could definitely have those boundaries. But a word that's been coming up a lot in the new interviews with for the book is the word transparency. So even for folks who have like profound DID, profound attachment trauma, who can get skittish, who can get very reactionary, when a boundary is set, have shared with me, we know that we value transparency, like saying upfront, this is what I can or can't do as a therapist, this is what I am or am not willing to do as a therapist. And if you can be transparent about that and get that established upfront. I think it does open the path to more vulnerability and authentic sharing in a way where it becomes safe enough for you and the client both because yeah, that's a whole other issue we can look at to right is what is appropriate to disclose of ourselves to clients, because I do think it has to be navigated on a case by case basis. I wrote an article on that once where you never wants to be making it all about you. But I also think a good part of therapy is getting feedback from your clients. And I'm not talking about like the survey feedback, because there's a whole school of therapy that promotes that. And yeah, I think that's for the more quantitatively minded, but for those of us who are more qualitatively minded, it's asking your clients questions like, how is this working for you? Is there any adjustments we feel we need to make here in order for you to get the most out of what you need here to reach your goals? And I've done right, ask clients before, do you find it helpful when I share about myself or not? And I, I will honor that.   Curt Widhalm  23:44 I think it's something that, you know, I serve on an ethics committee, I teach law and ethics. And this is a an area of the field that I see us embracing more of that we should share what our values are, and how we make our approaches because that does help make our clients better able to choose from an informed place better able to choose who their providers are. Right. And I think what this will do is help us to embrace you know, from from a client end and minimize the number of just like bad matches with therapists in order to create better opportunities for healing rather than pretending that we're this homogenous field.   Jamie Marich  24:32 Right. Yes, yes, yes. And you know, Curt, I touched on this in the EMDR training, where when we speak on complex trauma, we are in a newer world, where if a client asks you what you believe about something, you have to be able to answer it transparently. And it's not to say that, well, if you're a Trump supporter, and I'm a Biden supporter, we can't do therapy together because I know a lot of my folks do therapy across party lines. etc, etc. But I think the key is, sometimes when these conversations are had a person, a client decides they need to go elsewhere. I know when I chose my last therapist, and I was interviewing her, I wanted to know what she believed I needed to know what she believed. And her candidness, her transparency above that has really helped. Yet, I mean, I've also spent most of my career practicing in an area where a lot of people here believe differently than I do. And often times those roadblocks can provide an opportunity for building communication or working through a breach who I know, however, you may look at it. So I think part of redefining therapy is also recognizing a lot of the conversations we may have had back in grad school are not the real conversations we need to be having about how we handle doing therapy in the modern climate. So there's, there's that facet of it as well. Talking about law and ethics. Curt, you might find this interesting, I just did a really cool interview this week for the book with my state board here in Ohio. Because when I talk about coming out and radical transparency at a public level of therapists, a lot of the concern I get is, what if somebody turns me into my state board? What if a client sees something I've done publicly and turns me in, etc, etc. And, and there's a lot of this fear that by coming out, you're somehow going to be discredited. And that's a fear that I've worked through personally, because I've long stopped caring what people say about me. But I think there can be that sense of scariness with, you know, well, my livelihood be taken away, if it comes out what a hot mess I really am. And you had a very delightful conversation with the board about how things are handled, at least in our state, where I know it definitely put me at ease about being someone who's out. And I don't know if that would have been the case many, many years ago. So I think some of this, this advocacy about ending the stigma and people in the field are human, too, has has taken us in a good direction. But I really think and I know, I've talked about therapists coming out, and we've talked about celebrities coming out. But I think it can also be super amazingly powerful when someone like a lawyer comes out, or a finance manager, or just people in all walks of life, all walks of professions, it's been delightful having conversations with my legal team about mental health, opening the door for that. It's also I just think, so many people think they're the only one who go through things. And that's not an unusual thing. We've talked about that before. But I think people in professional positions who are afraid of getting discredited, they often feel they're the only ones going through something. And there's just a lot of power in admitting that we're not realizing that we can have connection and community together.   Katie Vernoy  28:06 It's an interesting idea to have community around mental health concerns, because I think that that idea of I'm not the only one. And all of those things, I guess the the place that my mind keeps going to is this fear that they that folks have around laws and ethics and, and that there's this movement of folks, whether it's decolonizing, therapy, reimagining therapy, redefining therapy, you know, blowing up therapy like that there's there's this idea that if we were to actually take therapy where it needs to go, all of the current law and ethics laws and ethics wouldn't actually apply. I think the three of us here, I don't think believe that. But I I think that the question I have is, is there room to truly move into these healing spaces as licensed clinicians, in ways that still still tie back to what we originally learned? Because it seems like there's, there's a spectrum of beliefs around the usefulness of therapy as it has been practiced.   Jamie Marich  29:19 That's a great question. I think my short answer is I don't know, it's, it's an evolving, it's an evolving answer. It's an evolving answer. And, and I think I'm at my own career crossroads right now, where I look at going forward. Will I do more good as an advocate than a therapist, and I was an advocate who was a therapist, you know, or has therapeutic insight because I think about what's the definition of clinical work at least in Ohio, it's the diagnosis and treatment of mental and emotional disorders, right. And even though I'm you know, up in the air about the utility of dialects, even something like diagnosis, let's start there. I have a both and feeling about diagnosis, because on one hand, I think we can get too caught up in labeling people, we can get too caught up in defining people by their diagnosis. But I've also seen cases of where people read a diagnosis. And they feel completely empowered, because something actually describes me. Like, oh my gosh, never, nobody's ever shared this diagnosis, like the PTSD diagnosis, or we see it with with a dissociative diagnosis. And I've even seen some people get moved when they read the borderline personality disorder diagnosis, because it's while these, this describes what I struggled with, so I mean, that's an example of a both and where I'm not at the place where I'm totally anti diagnosis. But there's some clients I'll work with where it's like, I don't think really, we need to worry about the label. Like we know, trauma is an issue. We know trauma healing is an issue. What do we need to put down to play the game? You know, so to speak. But then if you look at the second part of that, in our definition, treatment of mental and emotional disorders now part of the conversation now is, okay, what's a disorder. And we know the correct definition here, where there's functional impairment at cetera, et cetera. But even a lot of us in the dissociation community, like I technically have a dissociative disorder by diagnosis, at least how I was diagnosed. But I've embraced the identifier that one of my colleagues uses right now, which is dissociative mind, or she'll say I have a dissociative experience of life. Because for me, it's no longer a disorder. But it is still something that I live with. I think a big part of being trauma informed is a willingness to be flexible with language, a willingness to be flexible with concepts. And I'm always the kind of person who's lived in the both/and where I and I think, you know, that with my trauma and 12 step work, like I'm a vicious 12 step critic, but I don't think we have to throw it all out either. And at least for now, as I tried to negotiate this question of up, does the therapeutic system need to have blown up? I like that you said that, Katie, because there are some days, I feel that there are some days, I feel like I'm working in the service of the therapy industrial complex. And the real good work I do is when I still talk to 12 step sponsors, and it's a relationship or no money is exchanged. It's just the human experience. But you know, do we have a right to make? So all of these questions, they can keep me up at night? I'm not gonna lie. Unfortunately, I've tools to deal with a lot of that. But I think for now, even answering your question here, I think a lot of it is the both/and I think we need quantitative and qualitative, for example, with research and something I'm going to talk about in the conference presentation, is how quantitative empirical research can be viewed as the language of white supremacy. Whereas qualitative research encompasses more of the indigenous lived experience of healing. We're living in a world right now where we're navigating both. So let's bring in both   Curt Widhalm  33:06 Where can people find out more about you? And I would just say, the projects that you're working on, because I know that your resume of books and presentations and everything else, where can people find out more about you?   Jamie Marich  33:23 Well, they could come hang out with us at the Therapy Reimagined. Coming up here in September, I'm so delighted to be keynoting. A couple different places to find me online Instituteforcreative mindfulness.com is my main website for the company that I run, JamieMarich.com is the easiest way you can get all my books cataloged in one place. And then traumamadesimple.com is the free resources site that I keep, that's where all of my videos, articles, things I've done for free, are collected in one place on Twitter, I'm at Jamie Marich, Instagram, Dr. Jamie M. And just type in my name on Facebook, you'll find me in a couple different professional contexts.   Curt Widhalm  34:06 Yeah. And we will include links to all of that in our show notes over at MTSGpodcast calm. 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In this episode, I had the honour to speak with Dr. Jamie Marich about ongoing and ever changing trauma and addiction recovery. Two of the things she said resonates so deeply for me:"When I look at change, so much about it is in the healing power of consistency and I think that's fundamentally good for people who have survived complex trauma." AND"We may have parts and aspects of self but we all represent a working wholeness. What you have is already inside you. It just may take some processing to fully embrace that as truth and live it fully."Jamie is one of the bravest and most authentic trauma therapists and experts I know. She speaks openly about living in both addiction recovery and with dissociation, paving the way for our shame to fall away and transformation to emerge, bringing us back into our innate wholeness. Jamie Marich, Ph.D., LPCC-S, LICDC-CS, REAT, RYT-500, RMT travels internationally speaking on topics related to EMDR therapy, trauma, addiction, expressive arts and mindfulness while maintaining a private practice and online education operations in her home base of Warren, OH. She is the developer of the Dancing Mindfulness approach to expressive arts therapy, the co-creator of the Yoga Unchained approach to trauma-informed yoga, and the developer of Yoga for Clinicians. Jamie is the author of numerous books, including the popular EMDR Made Simple and EMDR Therapy and Mindfulness for Trauma Focused Care) written in collaboration with Dr. Stephen Dansiger. North Atlantic Books published a revised and expanded edition of Trauma and the 12 Steps in the Summer of 2020.For more information on how to connect with her work, go to: www.jamiemarich.com Find her on Instagram or Facebook Purchase one of her booksTo contribute the podcast please visit our Patreon, where 10% of the proceeds will be donated to DOCTORS WUHOUT BORDERS and another 10% will go to a different organization fighting racism each month.Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/user?u=21191833&fan_landing=true)

Welcome to 2021 with this incredible episode featuring Dr Jamie Marich, an amazing woman of many talents and fluent in multiple areas of expertise. Dr. Jamie Marich describes herself as a facilitator of transformative experiences. A clinical trauma specialist, expressive artist, writer, yogini, performer, short filmmaker, Reiki master, TEDx speaker, and recovery advocate, she unites all of these elements in her mission to inspire healing in others. Marich is the founder of the Institute for Creative Mindfulness and the developer of the Dancing Mindfulness practice to expressive arts therapy. She is also the co-creator of the Yoga Unchained approach to trauma-informed yoga, and the developer of Yoga for Clinicians. In this episode we cover a lot of ground, discussing big topics such as recovery, trauma, and spirituality. Dr Jamie is a wealth of knowledge and has an incredibly warm heart. I have no doubt you will love this interview as much as I did! Join the Community here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/SelfLoveProject2020 Sign up for Sober, Calm, & Wild: http://www.kerbymethodconsulting.com/sober-calm--wild1.html#/ Links for Dr Jamie Marich https://www.drjamiemarich.com/ www.instituteforcreativemindulness.com www.traumamadesimple.com www.dancingmindfulness.com www.drjamiemarich.com

Exploring Trauma and the 12 Steps An interview with Dr. Jamie Marich, on her revised book: Trauma and the 12 Steps, exploring how 12 Step programs can be trauma-informed. Curt and Katie talk with Dr. Marich about how to interweave a trauma-focus into substance abuse self-help and treatment centers. It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. Interview with Jamie Marich, Ph.D., LPCC-S, LICDC-CS, REAT, RYT-500, RMT Dr. Jamie Marich describes herself as a facilitator of transformative experiences. A clinical trauma specialist, expressive artist, writer, yogini, performer, short filmmaker, Reiki master, and recovery advocate, she unites all of these elements in her mission to inspire healing in others. She began her career as a humanitarian aid worker in Bosnia-Hercegovina from 2000-2003, primarily teaching English and music while freelancing with other projects. Jamie travels internationally teaching on topics related to trauma, EMDR therapy, expressive arts, mindfulness, and yoga, while maintaining a private practice in her home base of Warren, OH. Marich is the founder of the Institute for Creative Mindfulness and the developer of the Dancing Mindfulness practice to expressive arts therapy. She is also the co-creator of the Yoga Unchained approach to trauma-informed yoga, and the developer of Yoga for Clinicians. Marich is the author of EMDR Made Simple: 4 Approaches for Using EMDR with Every Client (2011), Trauma and the Twelve Steps: A Complete Guide for Recovery Enhancement (2012), Creative Mindfulness (2013), Trauma Made Simple: Competencies in Assessment, Treatment, and Working with Survivors, and Dancing Mindfulness: A Creative Path to Healing and Transformation (2015). Marich co-authored EMDR Therapy & Mindfulness for Trauma-Focused Care along with colleague Dr. Stephen Dansiger, which was released with Springer Publishing in 2017. Her newest title, Process Not Perfection: Expressive Arts Solutions for Trauma Recovery, released in April 2019.  North Atlantic Books is publishing a second and expanded edition of Trauma and the 12 Steps, due for release in the Summer of 2020. Marich’s writing and work on Dancing Mindfulness was featured in the New York Times in 2017.  In 2015, she had the privilege of delivering a TEDx talk on trauma. NALGAP: The Association of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Addiction Professionals and Their Allies awarded Jamie with their esteemed President’s Award in 2015 for her work as an LGBT advocate. The EMDR International Association (EMDRIA) granted Jamie the 2019 Advocacy in EMDR Award for her using her public platform in media and in the addiction field to advance awareness about EMDR therapy and to reduce stigma around mental health. In this episode we talk about: Jamie Marich’s return to the podcast The Revised and Expanded Trauma and the 12 Steps The large variation in the programs for substance abuse treatment in whether they are able to include a trauma-informed lens What it looks like to actually interweave the trauma-informed structure to substance abuse tx The power and impact of one alcoholic talking to another The importance of connection, community and relationships The changing face of recovery (including starting with 2 white men and becoming more diverse and inclusive) Attraction rather than promotion Validating strife and struggle then challenging it The bridge between trauma mental health treatment and recovery The fear about trauma work within the addiction community The lack of regard for the negative impact of substance abuse/dependence on the trauma mental health side. How to balance out validation and compassion with a call to action that includes challenge, and accountability The importance of daily lifestyle change What works in the 12 Steps: connection, daily life style changes, tools to keep you accountable Addressing problematic language in the Steps Exploring how to unpack why language is triggering and what is problematic and what is informative for clinical work Looking at religion, “God,” “Higher Power,” and how beliefs are handled in AA, looking at how to support people with spiritual abuse Addressing inclusivity in 12 Step programs Our Generous Sponsors: Brighter Vision Hey Modern Therapists!  Do you need help building your brand? 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Dr. Jamie Marich’s Trauma and the 12 Steps, Revised and Expanded: An Inclusive Guide to Enhancing Recovery Dr. Jamie Marich’s Website Trauma Made Simple Dr. Jamie Marich on YouTube AA Agnostica Relevant Episode: Dissociation in Therapy – Interview with Dr. Jamie Marich Connect with us! Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined Conferences  Our consultation services: The Fifty-Minute Hour   Who we are: Curt Widhalm is in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is the cofounder of the Therapy Reimagined conference, the CFO of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, an Adjunct Professor at Pepperdine University, a former Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant supporting leaders, visionaries, executives, and helping professionals to create sustainable careers. Katie, with Curt, has developed workshops and a conference, Therapy Reimagined, to support therapists navigating through the modern challenges of this profession. Katie is also Past President of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com A Quick Note: Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it. Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.   Stay in Touch: www.mtsgpodcast.com www.therapyreimagined.com Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Group https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/ https://twitter.com/therapymovement https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/   Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

Hoy hablaremos sobre la inclusión de las personas con diversidad funcional en la práctica de dancing mindfulness. Este episodio está disponible en Spotify y Stitcher. Sígueme en Instagram/Facebook. Puedes enviarnos tus preguntas y peticiones de temas a diversidadfuncionalenaccion@gmail.com.

An interview with Dr. Jamie Marich on how to navigate through dissociation in the therapy room. Curt and Katie interview Jamie about her own experiences with dissociation and what she does to cope as a dissociative professional. We discuss the importance of mindfulness and other strategies to take care of ourselves as well as treating dissociative clients. We also chat about how to navigate professional organizations as someone who likes to challenge the status quo. It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. Interview with Jamie Marich, Ph.D., LPCC-S, LICDC-CS, REAT, RYT-200, RMT Jamie Marich, Ph.D., LPCC-S, LICDC-CS, REAT, RYT-200, RMT travels internationally speaking on topics related to EMDR therapy, trauma, addiction, expressive arts and mindfulness while maintaining a private practice in her home base of Warren, OH. She is the developer of the Dancing Mindfulness practice to expressive arts therapy and co-creator of the Yoga Unchained approach to trauma-informed yoga.  Jamie is the author of seven books, including the popular EMDR Made Simple and EMDR Therapy and Mindfulness for Trauma Focused Care (Springer Publishing in 2018), written in collaboration with Dr. Stephen Dansiger. Her newest title, Process Not Perfection: Expressive Arts Solutions for Trauma Recovery, released in April 2019. North Atlantic Books is publishing a second and expanded edition of Trauma and the 12 Steps, due for release in the Summer of 2020. In this episode we talk about: Creative mindfulness Joy in facilitating transformation Jamie’s experience with trauma, addiction, dissociation, and how that led to her work EMDR and “the weird stuff” that has led to improved outcomes The power of embodied healing Jamie coming out as being in recovery, bisexual, and struggling with dissociation The response of other therapists to Jamie coming out as a dissociative professional The importance of being candid to remain present and to combat the label of impaired therapist Shame about dissociation and the difficulty therapists have in treating dissociation How to navigate through dissociation as a therapist – we all dissociate, just at different degrees The importance of mindfulness in combatting dissociation Rituals and routines to ground and return to the present Learning the models for treatment and then “breaking the rules elegantly” to innovate How institutes develop effectively and the struggles of bringing treatment to the mainstream Jamie’s standing up and pushing away from the mainstream – and some of the consequences Why Jamie and Curt love EMDR Our Generous Sponsor: GreenOak Accounting You went to school to become a therapist, not an accountant! Your time is much better spent doing what you love–helping people–and not crunching numbers. That’s where GreenOak Accounting comes in! They specialize in increasing the profit of private practices just like yours, so you can reclaim precious hours each week! If you are interested in freeing up your schedule for more clients, or just to get some time back for yourself, if you’re behind on your books or ready to implement Profit First, or need someone on your financial team who really understands private practice and can help your business grow, go to greenoakaccounting.com to schedule a 100% free no-obligation consultation today or sign up for 5 days of profit-boosting emails. Relevant Resources: We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below might be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance! drjamiemarich.com Institute for Creative Mindfulness dancingmindfulness.com traumamadesimple.com EMDRIA Dr. Francine Shapiro Relevant Episodes: Being Truly Mindful Is CBT Crap? Connect with us: The Modern Therapists Group on Facebook Get Notified About Therapy Reimagined 2020 (and TR2019 Virtual Conference) Who we are: Curt Widhalm is in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is the cofounder of the Therapy Reimagined conference, the CFO of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, an Adjunct Professor at Pepperdine University, a former Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making “dad jokes” and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: http://www.curtwidhalm.com Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant supporting leaders, visionaries, executives, and helping professionals to create sustainable careers. Katie, with Curt, has developed workshops and a conference, Therapy Reimagined, to support therapists navigating through the modern challenges of this profession. Katie is also President of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt’s youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: http://www.katievernoy.com A Quick Note: Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it. Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey. Stay in Touch: www.mtsgpodcast.com https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/ https://twitter.com/therapymovement https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/ Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

E10 Dr. Jamie Marich  Episode Topic:  Trauma and being trauma informed practitioner.  In the episode:   What is trauma? Trauma and body. Different types of trauma. How to recognize trauma and how to be trauma informed. The window of tolerance. Dancing Mindfulness.  Resources:  An Open Letter from a Trauma Therapist to Yoga Teachers: 12 Simple Ways to Make Your Classes More Trauma-Informed. Trauma made Simple  Dancing Mindfulness  Yoga Nidra playlist on YouTube  The Institute for Creative Mindfulness Manal Aldabbagh interview on Dancing Mindfulness  About Dr. Jaime Marich  https://www.drjamiemarich.com/ YouTube Channel  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaON5f-W7kWBixxZEkhYicw Instegram  @jamiem  شكرا  للتواصل Contact info  منال الدباغ Manal Aldabbagh  IG @manal.aldabbagh manal@manalaldabbagh.com  www.manalaldabbagh.com   تصميم الشعار Logo Design GraPhi  التدقيق الصوتي Sound Editing  عبدالله غانم  www.arcast.fm  Email: a.ghanem@arcast.fm

E10Dr. Jamie Marich Episode Topic: Trauma and being trauma informed practitioner. In the episode: What is trauma? Trauma and body. Different types of trauma. How to recognize trauma and how to be trauma informed. The window of tolerance. Dancing Mindfulness. Resources: An Open Letter from a Trauma Therapist to Yoga Teachers: 12 Simple Ways to Make Your Classes More Trauma-Informed.Trauma made Simple Dancing Mindfulness Yoga Nidra playlist on YouTube The Institute for Creative MindfulnessManal Aldabbagh interview on Dancing Mindfulness About Dr. Jaime Marich https://www.drjamiemarich.com/YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaON5f-W7kWBixxZEkhYicwInstegram @jamiem شكرا للتواصل Contact info منال الدباغ Manal Aldabbagh IG @manal.aldabbaghmanal@manalaldabbagh.com www.manalaldabbagh.com تصميم الشعار Logo DesignGraPhi التدقيق الصوتي Sound Editing عبدالله غانم www.arcast.fm Email: a.ghanem@arcast.fm

In this episode we talk to Dr. Jamie Marich about trauma. We discuss how to approach trauma healing in recovery and how to support yourself, as well as how to incorporate creativity and mindfulness into your healing process. What we particularly love about Jamie — aside from her expertise on trauma healing — is her use of movement in trauma process, particularly dance, yoga, and martial arts. We talk about the use of those mediums to aid healing and enhance our creative abilities. Both Liv and Tiffany love her book, Process Not Perfection Last, we talk about how trauma can be identified within mutual-aid settings and how we can all be more trauma-aware in helping others with their journey. More about Jamie: Jamie Marich, Ph.D., LPCC-S, LICDC-CS, REAT, RYT-200, RMT travels internationally speaking on topics related to EMDR therapy, trauma, addiction, expressive arts, and mindfulness while maintaining a private practice in her home base of Warren, OH. She is the developer of the Dancing Mindfulness practice (www.dancingmindfulness.com). Jamie is the author of five books, including the popular EMDR Made Simple and EMDR Therapy and Mindfulness for Trauma Focused Care (Springer Publishing in 2017), written in collaboration with Dr. Stephen Dansiger. Her newest title, Process Not Perfection: Expressive Arts Solutions for Trauma Recovery, was released in April 2019. We invite you to subscribe to our podcast, and tell us the ways in which you’re breaking free in our free Facebook community: Breaking Free Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/breakingfreecommunity. #Recovery #Allpaths, #allpathways, #recoverypathways, #BreakingFree, #12steprecovery, #AlcoholicsAnonymous, #alternativepathways, #alternativesToAA, #sober, #sobriety, diets dont work, anti-diet, Intuitive Eating, Diet culture, why cant I stop eating, help with overeating, binge eating, binging, life after 12 step recovery, body attunement, Disordered eating, eating disorders, sugar addiction, Alcoholism, addiction, how to live sober, sobriety, how to stop drinking, recovery podcast, sobriety podcast, what is Intuitive Eating, body respect, HAES, health at every size, body positivity, BoPo, food recovery, Breaking Free Recovery, Breaking Free Podcast, Breaking Free: Your Recovery. Your Way., recovery patchwork, eating recovery, recovery boundaries, eating disorder recovery, disordered eating recovery, Tiffany Thoen, Liv Pennelle, Liv’s recovery kitchen, Olivia Pennelle, Liv and Tiffany --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/breakingfreerecovery/message

Dr. Jamie Marich is an EMDR therapy master trainer and author of 5 books including Process: Not Perfection and creator of the Dancing Mindfulness approach to expressive arts therapy. Dr. Jamie joins the show to talk about expressive arts solutions for trauma recovery, what trauma work is, how someone knows if they have trauma, and the resources to begin working on it. She and Rob also talk about both the similarities and differences of trauma work in addiction and therapy and what the two could stand to learn from each other to give even more support to those affected.   TAKEAWAYS: [3:08] Jamie worked in Humanitarian Aid in Bosnia in 2000-2003, and she met Janet, a mentor that got her on her own path to recovery. Janet validated so much of her experience in addiction by telling her “It’s no wonder you became addicted after everything you went through, but what are you going to do about it now?”. This was the first time someone framed it in a way that made sense, and put her own trauma into perspective. It challenged her to take action and really work on her issues. [5:54] Often times we associate trauma with putting the responsibility on someone, especially when it is from our early childhood. Jamie explains that it is good to practice mindfulness, but first we have to explore why one is difficult to stay in the moment in the first place. [10:46] The idea of safety and a commitment to the well being of the addict is strong from both the addiction and therapy treating camps. It’s not productive to keep citing trauma without addiction, so to explore one we have to consider the other. Jamie will have a conversation with her clients about what safety really means, and how it’s okay and not “bad” or “wrong” if they aren’t able to feel perfectly safe right away, or even ever. [12:21] Jamie defines trauma as any unhealed human wound. It can come in different forms such as physical, mental, emotional, and trauma work is the broad spectrum of connection and activities that helps us know that we are not our thoughts, feelings and sensations, we are just the person that has them. [17:23] Whether your trauma is associated in your memory or not, it can play out in how the body responds. The body may react thinking it’s protecting itself, and so much of trauma work needs to involve embodied activities that help you realize a more adaptive kind of coping. It is possible that through this work, people will feel their feelings for the first time in a long time. [25:40] Jamie encourages us to give it 3 sessions with a therapist to see if there is a connection and see if they give you choice with the treatment options they offer. For example, they may be able to work with you through cognitive therapy, expressive arts work, and EMDR. [28:20] Both a 12 Step Group and expressive arts work allows us a safe place to connect with ourselves and others. [31:55] Jamie provides much value and resources for everyone. Her latest book, Process Not Perfection, can be an addition to therapy or a self guided resource for healing.   RESOURCES: Sex and Relationship Healing @RobWeissMSW Sex Addiction 101 Cruise Control: Understanding Sex Addiction in Gay Men Prodependence: Moving Beyond Codependency Rob@sexandrelationshiphealing.com Dr. Christine Courtois The Body Keeps the Score Trauma Made Simple Process Not Perfection Dr. Jamie Marich Jamie Marich YouTube @drjamiem Dancing Mindfulness   QUOTES: “I had no idea that trauma had so many broader applications.” “It’s not the wound itself that causes us problems, it’s when the wound remains unhealed.” “Part of healing and empowerment is realizing you have a choice in the matter.”

Dr. Jamie Marich is an EMDR bad-ass. Sure, that's a kind of crazy way to identify someone but it's what our medical consultant (and previous podcast guest) Dr. Josh Lichtman (not to mention everyone else) says about her. Her are her stats: she travels internationally teaching on EMDR therapy, trauma, addiction, expressive arts, yoga and mindfulness while maintaining a private practice in her home base of Warren, OH. She is the founder and director of The Institute for Creative Mindfulness, developer of the Dancing Mindfulness practice and co-developer of the Yoga Unchained approach to trauma-informed yoga. She is also the author of five books on trauma recovery, most recently EMDR Therapy and Mindfulness for Trauma Focused Care (with previous podcast guest Dr. Stephen Dansiger). She's also over 16 years sober. If you’re asking yourself at this point, “What in God’s name is she talking about and what is this EMDR thing,” EMDR stands for Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing and while it doesn’t tend to involve much eye movement anymore, it is a form of trauma therapy that helps people to reprocess their past. If you ever go to my Facebook page, you may have seen me sharing lately about how I've started doing EMDR. It's been changing my life so I was thrilled to be able to interview one of the world's leading experts on the topic. This episode is a can't miss, folks. Who knew talking about trauma could be so fun?

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Based in Ohio, therapist Jamie Marich discusses the path that brought her to therapy and how she developed “Dancing Mindfulness,” a modality that incorporates movement and mindfulness. Jamie also specializes in EMDR. Besides seeing patients in her private practice, Jamie travels globally to lead certification trainings. She is also the author of several books on EMDR and one she wrote on Dancing Mindfulness. To get the show notes for this episode, you can go to http://www.julietaustin.com/bb52

Jamie Marich is the creator of Dancing Mindfulness and author of the book by the same name. She's the founder of The Institute for Creative Mindfulness, an educational organization dedicated to serving a variety of populations. Learn how her practice has evolved over the years, and find out why a moving mindfulness practice is so effective. Visit http://www.dancingmindfulness.com to learn more!

Today’s guest is Dr. Jamie Marich. Jamie's friends and colleagues describe her as a renaissance woman. A dancer, musician, performer, writer, recovery ambassador, and clinical counselor, Jamie unites these elements of her experience to achieve an ultimate mission: bringing the art and joy of healing to others. Jamie travels internationally speaking on topics related to EMDR, trauma, addiction, and mindfulness while maintaining a private practice (Mindful Ohio) in her home base of Warren, OH. She is the developer of the Dancing Mindfulness practice and regularly trains facilitators to take this unique practice into both clinical and community settings. Jamie is the author of EMDR Made Simple: 4 Approaches for Using EMDR with Every Client, Trauma and the Twelve Steps: A Complete Guide for Recovery Enhancement, and Trauma Made Simple: Competencies in Assessment, Treatment, and Working with Survivors. Her new book, Dancing Mindfulness: A Creative Path to Healing and Transformation is scheduled for release in September 2015 with Skylight Paths Press. Jamie is also a certified rational living hypnotherapist and completed the Street Yoga trauma-informed yoga teacher training program. She is also a Certified Yoga of 12-Step Recovery leader. In 2015, she had the privilege of delivering a TEDx talk on trauma, and she made her first appearance on the popular Recovery 2.0 Conference with Tommy Rosen. You can find out more about Jamie at www.JamieMarich.com. Can’t get enough of your host? Listen to him being interviewed on Profit Pathway and Dear Friends & Family this week! Get to know two very different aspects of the same guy. Also, be sure to sign up for your Podcasting Mentorship Discovery Call today; and to learn more about Sponsorship Opportunities, send an email to Admin@MichaelNeeley.com.  Thanks! And don’t forget to subscribe to Consciously Speaking so that you don’t miss a single episode. While you’re at it, won’t you take a moment to write a short review and rate our show? It would be greatly appreciated! To learn more about our previous guests, listen to past episodes, and get to know your host, go to www.MichaelNeeley.com and follow us on Facebook and Twitter.

Dr. Jamie Marich is the author of three books on trauma: Trauma Made Simple (2014), Trauma and the Twelve Steps (2012), and EMDR Made Simple (2011). She travels internationally as an invited continuing education speaker on topics connected to trauma, addiction, and mindfulness. She is the creator of the Dancing Mindfulness practice and now leads a team of international facilitators in the mindfulness and trauma-informed practice. Marich still maintains a private practice in her hometown of Youngstown, OH, primarily specializing in EMDR as a treatment modality. Marich began her career as a humanitarian aid worker in post-war Bosnia from 2000-2003, an experience she will be sharing through a TEDx talk in January 2015.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-trauma-therapist-podcast-with-guy-macpherson-phd-inspiring-interviews-with-thought-leaders-in-the-field-of-trauma/donationsWant to advertise on this podcast? Go to https://redcircle.com/brands and sign up.

This week, I have back on the podcast two former guests, Jamie Marich and Stephen Dansiger. Together they’ve just written a new book, Trauma, EMDR & Mindfulness Jamie Marich & Stephen Dansiger. Jamie Marich, Ph.D., LPCC-S, LICDC-CS, REAT, RMT travels internationally teaching on EMDR therapy, trauma, addiction, expressive arts therapy and mindfulness while maintaining a private practice in Warren, OH. She is the author of Trauma Made Simple: Competencies in Assessment, Treatment, and Working with Survivors (2014), and most recently, Dancing Mindfulness: A Creative Path to Healing and Transformation (2015). Jamie is the founder of the Dancing Mindfulness practice and expressive arts community and actively offers EMDR therapy training through her company, Mindful Ohio & The Institute for Creative Mindfulness.  Stephen Dansiger, PsyD, MFT is Clinical Director of Refuge Recovery Centers in Los Angeles, a cutting edge addictions treatment center, where he developed and implemented the MET(T)A Method (Mindfulness and EMDR Treatment Template for Addictions). The treatment utilizes Buddhist psychology and EMDR therapy as the theoretical orientation and primary clinical practice.   He is the author of Clinical Dharma: A Path for Healers and Helpers (2016) and avidly blogs and podcasts on topics related to mental health, recovery, and mindfulness.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-trauma-therapist-podcast-with-guy-macpherson-phd-inspiring-interviews-with-thought-leaders-in-the-field-of-trauma/donationsWant to advertise on this podcast? Go to https://redcircle.com/brands and sign up.

Jamie Marich, Ph.D., LPCC-S, LICDC-CS, REAT, RMT travels internationally speaking on topics related to EMDR therapy, trauma, addiction, expressive arts and mindfulness while maintaining a private practice in her home base of Warren, OH. She is the developer of the Dancing Mindfulness practice and delivered a TEDx talk on trauma in 2015. Jamie is the author of several books including, EMDR Therapy and Mindfulness for Trauma (in collaboration with Dr. Stephen Dansiger); Focused Care, and Dancing Mindfulness: A Creative Path to Healing and Transformation (2015) among others. Process Not Perfection: Expressive Arts Solutions for Trauma Recovery is her latest book and the one we’re going to be focusing on today!Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-trauma-therapist-podcast-with-guy-macpherson-phd-inspiring-interviews-with-thought-leaders-in-the-field-of-trauma/donationsWant to advertise on this podcast? Go to https://redcircle.com/brands and sign up.