The Milk Check

There's milk everywhere: more milk in the U.S., Europe and New Zealand than a year ago, soft Class IV, and Class III futures that could slip into the $13s once you plug in today's spot cheese and whey. With a long milk wave crashing over the dairy industry, will farmers start culling cows and leaving stalls empty? Inside the episode, the team churns through: Why strong balance sheets, paid-down debt and high cow values could delay a production pullback How lower feed costs shift the breakeven – but can't fully offset falling milk checks Why Western and cheese-focused regions like the Pacific Northwest, California and Idaho may struggle first How WPC 80, WPI and clear whey proteins have become the lone bulls – and why capacity constraints limit the industry's response Why there are limits to what customers can pay for whey, and where substitution is already happening It's a barn full of bears on butter, cheese and fluid milk, but the protein complex is still flexing. The question is how long that can last? Tune in to The Milk Check episode 88: One bull in a barn full of bears to hear how our traders are navigating a market that's bearish on volume but still bullish on protein. Got questions? We'd love to hear them. Submit below, and we might answer it on the show. Ask The Milk Check Ted Jacoby III: Welcome, everybody, to The Milk Check. It is December 5th. We’re gonna talk about markets today. And rather than boring you and having the same conversation we had three weeks ago, everything is still bearish. There’s milk everywhere. There’s milk all over the U.S. There’s milk all over Europe. There’s milk all over New Zealand. There’s a whole bunch more milk this year than last year. Things are long. It’s very likely things are gonna get longer before they get shorter. Today we have some of our usual suspects. My brother Gus has joined us today. We’ve got Josh White, we’ve got Joe Maixner, we’ve got Diego Carvallo. And, of course, myself. Looking forward to a great conversation. So, rather than discussing how bearish we can be on these markets, my question, and I’m gonna start by throwing this question at my brother, Gus, is Gus, how long do you think it’s gonna take for dairy farmers to start culling cows and for this milk [00:01:00] production to slow down? Gus Jacoby: I feel like milk price and farm economics are completely contingent on that and how bad those farm economics get with respect to the milk price. Class III is still relatively high. Obviously, Class IV is pretty poor right now. The way I see it, dairymen, at this moment in time, still have fairly strong balance sheets. So, the recent low prices haven’t affected ’em all that much. So, I don’t expect their behavior with respect to culling and whatnot to change. But I think in five, six months from now, assuming that the milk price is at or lower, and quite frankly, I think Class III probably does need to get a bit lower, you’ll start to see some of that behavior change. If I had to guess, either as early as early summer, but as late as maybe mid-fall, if farm economics don’t change, we’ll start to see dairymen begin to leave stalls open. I mean, they’re gonna cull a cow, collect that beef revenue that they can grab, and not necessarily buy the expensive heifer. Ted Jacoby III: You’re thinking it’s gonna take about six months for dairy farmers [00:02:00] to get to the point where they feel like they need to increase the amount of cows they’re selling in order to meet their cashflow needs? Gus Jacoby: That’s my best guess. And again, that can be either expedited or slowed down depending on where the milk price goes. Ted Jacoby III: Corn prices have really come down this year. Do you think the lower feed prices have lowered where that break even point is, or how low we need to go in milk price in order to really send those signals in a strong way? Gus Jacoby: Certainly, feed prices being lower are gonna be helpful to the farm economic model. This becomes a milk price discussion. If the cheese price continues to have that downward pressure and gets low enough, those feed prices won’t be low enough. It’s always related to their inputs. And certainly, cheap feed helps their cause to extend growth in the milk production model. Ted Jacoby III: Right now, on December 5th, the Class III prices for the first quarter are right around, let’s call it $15.50, but if you use today’s cheese price on the spot market at the CME in today’s whey price, you’re probably looking at something closer to $14, 14 and a quarter. [00:03:00] Is that low enough or do we need to go lower? Gus Jacoby: It’s low enough. But not low to expedite anything. Maybe that takes us into the late summer, and remember, it depends on where we’re talking here in the country. Milk production costs are different depending on where you exist in the country. And also payouts are a lot different in a lot of places, depending on where you exist in the country. So, some regions might struggle sooner than later. Ted Jacoby III: Which regions do you think are gonna struggle first? Gus Jacoby: The West, Pacific Northwest, I think California, areas like Idaho that are strongly cheese based. If you’re paying on a Class III price and it stabilizes, which I don’t anticipate here, then perhaps some of those regions might hold on longer. My guess is predicated on the forecast of Class III going a bit lower. Ted Jacoby III: I guess I’d have to agree with that ’cause I don’t think $14 a hundredweight is enough. Because we’re still in front of Christmas, and I think the market’s probably gonna get worse before it gets better. My hunch is we’re gonna see $13 milk this year. We’re gonna see it in Class IV, and we may be already [00:04:00] seeing it in Class IV as soon as December. I think we’re gonna see a 13 handle in Class III, probably most of the first quarter. Gus Jacoby: If you’ve got a Class III at 13, and Class IV holds as low as it is, which I would expect certainly in the first half of the year, and then you have your standard freight and other deducts in those milk checks, dairymen are now getting to an area that is very adverse. Ted Jacoby III: Even though we’re talking about really low prices, I think there’s a lot of dairy farmers out there that are in a pretty healthy place. Gus Jacoby: I would agree. Ted Jacoby III: They’re healthy in two ways. One, I think that many of them have been able to take the last two years and really pay down their debt. And so, they’re in a really good spot financially, just on the balance sheet alone. But the second thing is those cows, they’re worth twice what they were worth three years ago. And so, not only have they paid down their debt, but if they need to borrow more, they’ve got more collateral to borrow against because those cows are usually the collateral for the banks when the banks lend dairy farmers money. It’s [00:05:00] usually the cows and the land. My hunch is that this may go on longer than we expect because of how healthy dairy farmers are financially today. Not saying they’ll be healthy in four or five months, but they’re healthy today. And because of how much bankers are probably willing to lend them based on those balance sheets. Gus Jacoby: I agree that the balance sheets are strong at the moment, even after a couple tough months. But I would also add, that that can change fairly quickly if the milk price gets low enough. And it’s certainly a ratio of farm economics over a certain period of time and milk price. If it gets low enough and makes those farm economics adverse enough, it can expedite the issue, which is a plausible scenario right now. Ted Jacoby III: Mm-hmm. I would agree with that. I think the hardest thing, especially when you have a falling market like we do right now, is to try and figure out exactly where the bottom is. About a month ago, the bottom was about a $1.40. Well, guess what? Cheese price is already below a $1.40 Now, we’re hearing it’s gonna be [00:06:00] somewhere in the $1.20s. What I’m scared is we’re gonna get to the $1.20s, and somebody’s gonna start talking about maybe we need to go into the teens. I don’t know if we’re gonna go that low, but we’re definitely in that scenario right now, where you have a market that’s falling and nobody has a really good feel for where that bottom is. Gus Jacoby: I agree. Cheese and butter right now, their outlook over the next six to eight months does not look good. Ted Jacoby III: Yeah. You mentioned butter. Joe, I’ll ask you: we’re below a $1.50 in butter. Butter feels like maybe it’s caught a temporary floor. Is this a temporary floor or could we stabilize here for the next six months? Joe Maixner: I think we’ve hit a temporary floor, but I don’t think it’s the lowest we’ll see over the next 90 days. I think that cream seems to be in balance, even after Thanksgiving, and I think it’s kept a nice spot in the market where people are willing to buy, those that hadn’t already put contracts on for next year are seeing the 2026 numbers and they’re looking at that against their budgets and blocking volume up for next year. A [00:07:00] lot of first half volume’s already been booked. We’re just seeing more activity. We’ve hit that level of support. Ted Jacoby III: Joe, you mentioned cream. Gus, I’m gonna go back to you. We had some really ugly cream multiples the first half of last year. Have we increased churn capacity, and do we expect those multiples to be just as bad this year or have we increased churn capacity enough so that maybe they won’t quite get so bad? Gus Jacoby: We have increased churn capacity, certainly. I don’t know if it’s enough. Some dairymen around the country are feeding their rations a bit different and getting a little bit less butterfat out of the milk. I don’t think that’s enough, yet, to make too much change. I will anticipate having some very low multiples through the holidays and the spring flush. Ted Jacoby III: Okay. Diego, I’m gonna switch gears and come to you. We just talked about U.S. milk production. Gus thinks it’ll take about six months to turn. I hate to be really pessimistic, but my gut, and I just can’t shake this gut, is it’s gonna take longer than usual this time around. And we may see it go well past nine months before we see a real turn. [00:08:00] We may see the number get better simply because we’re measuring against strength, but that doesn’t mean we actually see a change in trend. What about Europe and some of the other milking regions in the world, is it gonna take that long us to see some changes in milk production in those regions? Diego Carvallo: If you just go to the fundamentals and you analyze that the European farmer usually has a smaller scale, and that means that their costs tend to be a little bit on the higher end. They do not have access to capital as there is in the U.S. There’s more restrictions when it comes to environmental, and overall I would say they have more headwinds than the U.S. So, if you add to all of those headwinds, the price headwind, the reaction on milk production to lower prices should be faster than in the U.S. The same applies to South America. But we’ve talked a lot about Chinese production, we know that in that country, there are way more things to take into account. Ted Jacoby III: [00:09:00] So, we’ve been talking a lot about the supply side today. We’re just overwhelming supply on the butter side; we’re overwhelming demand to a lesser extent, but still on the cheese side. Josh, protein still tends to be the shining star. But are we getting to a point where we’re starting to get some pushback on protein prices? And is that going to continue to be the lone bull in an overall bearish dairy market, or do we need to be concerned there too? Josh White: I don’t think we’re getting pushback at the prices quite yet. Does that mean I think that these prices are palatable over the long term? I’m unsure. But what we are seeing right now is lack of availability and no quick ability by the European market or the U.S. market to scale production to meet the demand, which means that ultimately, the demand for WPC 80 and WPI and then some of the more value-added proteins, particularly in the whey complex, like the clear WPIs, the acidified products and others, the demand is outpacing our ability to supply it. What that’s [00:10:00] doing is forcing utilization segments or customers that can’t compete in terms of price for that available supply to look to alternatives. We’re starting to see more and more of that. As a commodity trader, we expect that to happen quicker than it does. So, already in early 2025, we were looking towards MPCs, casein-related products and others to pick up some of that demand because they’re much lower value. And I don’t think that the average customer in the market that’s using whey proteins fully recognize the functional differences between whey proteins and milk proteins. And they certainly don’t realize that milk protein concentrate has whey protein in it. Generally speaking, the average consumer doesn’t know the difference in these products. That’s not a fault of theirs. Particularly going into CPG applications and further processing, this is an ingredient. An ingredient that has a lot of label recognition and popularity right now for all the reasons we’ve talked about in prior podcasts: GLP-1 driven demand, [00:11:00] health and wellness movements globally, a lot of other reasons. Is that an early indication that enough time has now passed that the relative value of whey protein above the competing, but still quite valuable proteins in the dairy complex, are gonna result in substitution both substitution within the dairy category to whey protein to milk protein concentrates to micellar casein to WPC 70, also known as WPPC, whey protein phospholipid concentrate (WPPC) ProCream. There’s a lot of different names for these products. That’s likely to happen. But it also, unfortunately, might result in a lot of categories pushing to non-dairy proteins. There’s a lot of information out there, things put on by ADPI and others talking about the protein power of dairy and how digestible it is. How high quality it is for your conversion rate, why it’s such a popular thing. But if you can’t get supply, you’re forced to look to alternatives. And so, we’re starting to see some of that [00:12:00] happen. So, a couple things that I’ve heard anecdotally in the market over the past few weeks in particular, but it’s been happening over the last few months are: get us samples of milk protein concentrate. One of our customers is suspending a certain SKU on the shelf because they can’t get the supply. This price simply won’t work for our application. So, we won’t buy this product at above this price. So, we are triggering some thresholds. And triggering thresholds is gonna have some type of balancing result in the industry. Whether that’s enough to support the milk protein side of the equation, I don’t know. We have a limit to the ability to respond to this demand. You have to order equipment, you have to get the bank lending, you’ve gotta get the design. It takes a long time to increase capacity. That’s all gonna come into play and impact this market and the balance of this market in 2026. Now, if you’re asking me, is my gut that we hold these high prices or even higher prices without some reversal in the price [00:13:00] action for whey proteins in 2026? I’m not ready to say that it’s just here or higher in 26, but is it here or higher in the first quarter? Absolutely. Is it here higher in the second quarter, probably. Is it here or higher after that? I become a little bit skeptical. And to be clear, that’s not because the demand isn’t there right now. The demand feels like it’s there. I just don’t know how the market balances it out without pushing the price just too high in the short term for the market to digest it and pass it through. I also think that when you’re talking about the dairymen and you’re talking about the cheese makers, there is two different classes here. There is the class of those that make whey proteins and the class of those that do not. That has a material impact on profitability throughout the supply chain. Additionally, we’ve got a lot of milk in the U.S. We’ve got a lot of milk in the world right now, and the milk in the Northern hemisphere altogether is only gonna increase from here through the first half of [00:14:00] the year. That milk is gonna need to be processed. The incremental milk production will result in incremental whey protein availability, which means that those whey solids from cheese processors they have to find a market. If you can’t make the valuable product of WPC 80 and WPI, you have to explore the other alternatives, which are simply not experiencing the robust demand of those two categories. Sweet whey powder, whey protein concentrate 34% (WPC 34) and some of these other products, they have a limit to what people are willing to pay. History tells us, at least for sweet whey powder, we’re testing those limits. Ted Jacoby III: For sweet whey powder, we are, the question is, is this happening for whey protein? And that’s a harder one to answer. Josh White: Absolutely. Ted Jacoby III: I did some back of the envelope math. As a country, we produce 8% to 9% more milk in May on a daily basis than we do in November. If half of that milk goes into cheese, we’ll produce 8% more cheese and 8% perhaps more whey protein. The solids change, too. So, maybe it’s not a full [00:15:00] 8%, but is 8% enough to tip the scale on whey protein demand? And I don’t know, given the demand complex for whey, I think for cheese it’s gonna feel very burdensome. I think for butter, it would probably feel pretty burdensome. The butter market we’re kind of used to it because of the way the demand curve looks, but I just don’t know when it comes to whey, if that’s enough to put some pressure on this market and bring those prices down. Josh White: Well, it depends on what you’re talking about because you could argue that the WPC and WPI facilities are bringing in outside whey solids. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. As their own milk and their own whey generation increases seasonally, that’s gonna push whey solids back to somebody else. So, all 8% in your hypothesis there, I doubt contributes to an 8% increase in whey protein production. Because the available capacity isn’t there? Josh White: Correct. Now, is there production efficiencies that are still gonna be gained? Are there those out there that are expanding a bit [00:16:00] that we’re unaware of? Are there orders for new equipment in the system that might be closer to realization than we think? All possible. And we can’t ignore Europe. I don’t feel like I can adequately represent what the expansion model looks like in Europe right now for whey proteins. What I can say is that at least for the U.S. and Europe, our internal demand is currently absorbing a greater percentage of our production than ever before, and that’s leaving the rest of the world that was buying product from those two markets, having to search for that protein elsewhere. Ted Jacoby III: Mm-hmm. Josh White: And, this is being a bit over generic, but the rest of the world likely will be more willing to substitute than the U.S. or the European consumer to other products. Ted Jacoby III: I would agree with that. Everybody in our office is just leaning really bearish, just about everybody we talk to seems to be leaning really bearish. Josh White: Outside of Black Swan events: major trade disruptions, major production impacts that we can’t predict. If you’ve [00:17:00] been in the dairy industry long enough, you know to never bet against the dairymen and their ability to make milk. But it’s gotta be on the radar that the competitive dollars for those animals I don’t think has ever been as lucrative as it is right now. And those animals that they’re currently milking are older then typically they want them to be. So, if we shift this cycle quickly enough and violently enough, and that’s price, at what moment do we get surprised at what that residual response is? How many pent up animals find their way to slaughter? How quickly that could happen. And I think generally speaking, most of us would bet that the calf inside the dairy cow right now is worth enough to wait. And so, we’ve gotta get through the first half of the Northern Hemisphere season before we see much of an animal response. Ted Jacoby III: I think that’s a fair comment. Dairy farmers, especially the big financially astute ones, there’s a math equation. It’s like, this is my revenue [00:18:00] from milk. This is my maybe revenue from biofuels or wherever else. They have revenue streams from a cow that’s giving milk every day. This is the cost to maintain that cow. The variable cost feed, for example, being the big one. Well, when you’re getting $20, a hundredweight from your milk versus $13, a hundredweight for your milk. That equation has changed quite a bit, whereas the exit price, what you’re gonna get if you sell the cow hasn’t changed at all, which means your math equation, the exit possibility has definitely gone up. It’s more profitable to sell this cow than it used to be. Josh White: History tells us that the exits of the older dairymen and the smaller dairies doesn’t really change based on economic conditions, it’s relatively stable. Maybe there’s some risk that we have some pent up exits and some risk that it’s never been a better time to retire. Mm-hmm. And you get some smaller dairies that decide to exit. That doesn’t move the needle. Ted Jacoby III: I would suspect. You’re right. We’ll see. Josh White: One [00:19:00] quick remark that’s important is the outlook on demand. It seems like the market is very, very bearish because supply is outpacing demand globally and it’s in every major milk shed. But demand by import regions has been pretty good. Mm-hmm. They’ve been buying year over year, more dairy products. At the same time, I don’t believe there’s any region in the world that’s currently sitting on cumbersome overall dairy stocks, whether that’s from the import regions or the production regions. Everyone seems to be quite aware that you gotta stay in front of this. I don’t know how to interpret that. On one hand, you could say that based on some of the economic outlooks, globally, we shouldn’t be expecting things to get better. We should be expecting them to get at best the same or possibly even worse. On the other side of that equation is import dairy consumption and demand is growing and continues to grow, so it might be a painful period, but the long-term [00:20:00] outlook remains pretty good, and we just overreacted to some of the demand signals that we have. Credit to the dairymen in the world, being able to respond to signals that we needed more fat, not even a year ago. That whey protein demand’s good. I mean, the market has responded, but overall we’re not talking about an oversupply situation because demand’s bad. If you go granularly, like U.S. cheese consumption, doesn’t look real great right now. The outlook for overall economic health, I’m not an expert in that area, but I’m not seeing a lot of people talking about a rosy 12 to 24 months there. So, yeah, I think generally speaking, it’s easy to be bearish, but maybe that’s one thing to pay attention. Ted Jacoby III: You mentioned demand. I happened to be involved in a conversation yesterday with an equities trader and his comment about stock valuations, equities, valuations, which was really a demand comment, was, I’m just waiting to see what Christmas sales do. I think there’s a lot of people out there right now that are trying to get a feel for what’s [00:21:00] the long-term demand or the 2026 demand perspective, and I think a lot of them are gonna judge what it really is based on how this holiday season plays out. All right guys. Hey, thanks for a great conversation. I apologize to all the dairy farmers out there that I couldn’t give you any better news, but hang in there that good news will come eventually. That’s right.

Milk production is up 4.2% year over year, components are climbing and prices are falling. As holiday orders wrap up and we head into the long winter, The Milk Check team digs into whether dairy markets have already found a floor, or if there's still another leg down to go. With milk products everywhere (except for whey), the Jacoby team shares where the market is and where we're going. They churn through: Butter at $1.50 and what heavy cream and higher components mean after the holidays Why cheese feels like a calm before the storm, and how far Class III could grind lower Nonfat and skim: long milk, growing inventories and buyers shopping the cheapest origin Why whey proteins are the outlier, with tight supply, strong demand and GLP-1 tailwinds Global milk growth, clustered demand (Ramadan, Chinese New Year, Super Bowl) and who blinks first between the U.S. and Europe In this episode of The Milk Check, host Ted Jacoby III is joined by Joe Maixner, Jacob Menge, Diego Carvallo, Josh White and Mike Brown for a rapid-fire market session on butter, cheese, nonfat and proteins. Listen now for The Milk Check's latest market read on butter, cheese, nonfat and whey. Got questions? We'd love to hear them. Submit below, and we might answer it on the show. Ask The Milk Check Ted Jacoby III: Welcome back, everybody, to The Milk Check podcast. Today we’re gonna have a market discussion. It is November 10th. We are in the last couple of weeks of the quote-unquote busy season, starting to get a feel for what we think is gonna happen to dairy markets as holiday orders are filled, and we transition into the long-term period of the year. In the last few weeks, we’ve actually seen prices drop, but it feels like butter’s kind of dropped down to about a $1.50/lb and seems to find at least a brief floor. We’ll talk to Joe and find out if Joe thinks we’re gonna stick around here for a while. The cheese market was up in the $1.80s/lb. It’s dropped to a little below $1.70, starting to hit a little bit of resistance. Jake will share with us a little bit about what we think is happening with cheese going forward. Nonfat dropped a little bit down to [00:01:00], about what Diego, about a $1.10/lb and had a little bounce off its floor. Meanwhile, the whey complex just continues to go up. We’ll check in with Josh and find out what’s going on there. Well, let’s go ahead and start with milk production. We just got released today, the September milk production, and it says it’s up 4.2%, which is a very, very big number. It’s November; milk is longer than it usually is this time of year. Usually, it’s quite tight, and it’s not quite tight, but I wouldn’t call it long. However, all the signs are there that once we get past the fall holiday order season, milk could get quite long. If September milk is up 4.2%, I think it’s safe to say that if that continues, we will be quite long milk as we transition from the typical seasonal tightness of the fall into the winter and the flush of the spring. 4.2% is a big number, and that’s not even taking into account the fact that the solids in the milk are up as well. That’s not the kind of tone that a dairy farmer wants us to set as we’re talking about what supply and demand looks like, but there’s a lot of milk out there, [00:02:00] Joe, does that mean there’s a lot of butter out there, too? Joe Maixner: Well, there’s still a lot of butter out there; sounds like there’s going to be a lot more butter coming soon. If milk’s up 4%, cream was heavy all of last winter and into last Spring, extremely heavy. If we have higher components, more milk, and we’ve got a full amount of milk coming outta California as well after coming off of bird flu last year, there’s just gonna be that much more cream in the system and more getting pushed back into the churns. So, it’s a very good possibility that we’re gonna go even lower than where we currently are. Volume seems to be trading well. The cream demand has been fairly steady, going into cultured products and the shorter shelf-life products. Cream’s still long, but it’s not swimming yet. Ted Jacoby III: Will we hold this $1.50 area through Thanksgiving, you think? Joe Maixner: Yeah, it seems like we’ve hit a spot where buyers are willing to step in. So, there’s a good chance that we could hang around this $1.50 area for the next couple of weeks. Once the last little spurt of holiday demand is over, we’re gonna take another leg lower. Ted Jacoby III: Okay. Jake, what about [00:03:00] cheese? Jacob Menge: I think we had a little reprieve from some cheese bearishness with the holiday demand. It’s tough, though, especially with this wall of milk that’s headed our way. Does it seem like the bottom’s ready to drop out? Probably not yet. But it still seems like it’s a possibility. It almost seems like the call before the storm. Ted Jacoby III: What you’re saying is: we’ve already dropped quite a bit, but we’re in typical low points, but it’s possible, considering the amount of supply coming our way, that there’s still another cliff to negotiate, and we could go a lot lower when it comes to Class III milk and cheese prices. Jacob Menge: If you zoom out a ways, going back to mid-2022, we’ve really not liked to go below that $1.55 level on futures. We’re kind of at another support level at this $1.65. Those seem like our two support areas, historically, for the last 3, 4 years. So, it’s probably gonna be one of those grinds lower if we move lower from here, versus that $1.85 to $1.65 was almost an air pocket drop. [00:04:00] It seems like the market’s gonna have to earn it if it moves lower from here, but it does seem like a possibility. Ted Jacoby III: When we get down to these levels, this usually tends to form the floor, and if we have so much cheese out there and so much milk out there that we’re gonna go lower from here, it’s probably not an air pocket drop; it’s probably a grind lower from here. Jacob Menge: Yeah, I think our lows, on the futures, for the past 4 years have been that $1.55. Don’t quote me on that, gimme a couple of cents on either side of that. But that means we got a dime from here to hit those five-year lows, you know, besides COVID. There’s a lot to be said for technical trading at those levels. So, it would take a big fundamental kind of wave supply to get us to crack that. Ted Jacoby III: Got it. Thank you. Diego. What about nonfat? What’s the international market doing? We know we have a lot of milk in North America. We have a lot of milk everywhere. And what does it mean? Diego Carvallo: Customers are also seeing the data, and it seems like they’re in no rush to buy nonfat. Right. Nonfat seems to be the product that is 00:05:00 consistently available. We haven’t seen a very tight market in several years. So, it seems customers are more concerned about other products like WPCs or maybe cheese, other products besides nonfat. So, they’re staying very hand-to-mouth. They’re being very flexible when it comes to origin and just buying spot and from the origin that offers them the cheapest skim milk powder delivered price, which, in most cases, for the past few months, has been either European or New Zealand product because of the shipment time, transit time, and tariffs. Ted Jacoby III: Has the inventory in the U.S. been building as a result? Diego Carvallo: Yes, it has, Ted. Yep. Inventory has been building. I was looking into the milk production numbers for September. California was relatively stable compared to the previous year. I think we grew by 2.5% versus the previous year. But the strong impact from avian [00:06:00] influenza was actually in October. So, that’s when we might see a big jump between California production for 2024 and California production for 2025. So, I thought the Milk Report was pretty bearish for nonfat. Next month could be as bearish or even more. I still believe that we’re gonna see a lot of product going into the dryers, and that’s gonna add pressure, and that’s gonna increase inventories for U.S. products. Ted Jacoby III: What does milk production look like in Europe? Diego Carvallo: They’re actually up quite a bit. I think their September number was also stronger than expected. I can’t recall the exact number, but it was stronger than expected, even though they have cut down on the farmer price, the FrieslandCampina, which is the number one benchmark. It still seems like, with corn moving lower, there’s still a number that incentivizes more milk production. For the next few months until we see a stronger cotton price, we’re gonna see plenty of milk from the U.S. and from Europe. Ted Jacoby III: [00:07:00] Okay, thanks. Appreciate it, Diego. Josh, so what about the protein market? Josh White: Yeah, same story. I don’t know why everybody else is having so many problems with their products because whey proteins are in demand and it continues to be very strong. WPC 80, WPI demand is outpacing supply. People are trying to book forward and can’t. By all reports, the demand on the consumer level remains pretty good. It’s a bit of an outlier. It’s definitely a mystery. A lot of the discussion centers around GLP-1 adoption in the U.S. Compared to a year ago, I think I read this morning, something like 12% of Americans are allegedly using GLP-1-related drugs for weight loss. Assuming that’s an accurate statistic, that’s a noteworthy number of people. There was a lot of discussion last year that as people come on things like Wegovy and Ozempic, at what moment do we mature to the point that people beginning their cycles of taking the drugs equal those coming off of those drugs? There’s just been a lot of headlines about more affordable access to these types of products. If that continues, that shifts this curve even a little bit further up. [00:08:00] What can reverse that trend or slow down the demand for the whey protein side? I think it takes a production response. I can imagine that any manufacturer that’s making whey-related products as a byproduct of their cheese production is exploring how to access this demand, in particular, the whey protein isolate demand. I don’t have the impression that equipment is any easier to get, and there are still plenty of obstacles in terms of making production changes at the processor side. It feels to me like at least through the first half of this year, we’re gonna continue to be under-supplied relative to the demand that’s out there. And I think it’s important to note that although we’re talking about good demand for these products, the GLP-1-related impact on the dairy market isn’t all positive. It’s certainly a positive on the whey protein side. Still, I think, as it relates to consumer demand for butterfat, cheese products, and some of the other snack foods that dairy products are used in, in the CPG space, people are consuming fewer calories. Throughout the rest of the world, this health and wellness [00:09:00] trend and this appetite for quality protein are everywhere. Their demand continues to be very strong internationally. Maybe a couple of other things that are noteworthy, maybe early indicators of the price stabilizing, it looks like Europe and the U.S. might be closer to parity for the first time in a while. So, we should watch that. We will see seasonal production levels start to increase a bit. I don’t know if that will one-for-one find its way into additional whey protein availability, but it certainly should help the situation as we get into heavier production months in the Northern hemisphere markets that produce these products. But other than that, demand remains very, very strong. Prices are firm. They appear they’ll continue to be through at minimum the first quarter. And I don’t think it’s going out on a ledge to say through the first half of the year. And then we’ll see what happens on the other side of it. But yeah, definitely a firm marketplace right now, Ted. Ted Jacoby III: What about milk protein concentrate, milk protein isolate? Are we starting to see the value of those products increase and close the gap between the [00:10:00] whey protein, since the whey proteins have gotten so expensive? Josh White: I’ll jump in and say we’re starting to see some early indications of that: people looking for substitutes where they can. If you’re not in these markets every day, you don’t know what products are available. If you’re in the CPG space or using it as one of many, many SKUs that you’re buying, you’re not aware of the functional properties and some of these other things. And there’s also a decision-making timeline that people have to consider. Not only are there labeling concerns and other things, but there’s a lot of protein that’s consumed as an ingredient and maybe not the primary ingredient. And oftentimes, those decisions are not easy to formulate or change, and they’re also made over larger durations of time, like annual pricing. We’ve had such a wide gap for a long enough time now that we have customers asking questions, and customers that are on the lower end of the valorization for these products are looking for substitutes. Those substitutes come in a couple of ways. They can come from substituting away from dairy, substituting for other [00:11:00] dairy or trading down to lower dairy-related protein products. We’re seeing people investigate all of them. Diego might be able to speak more precisely about what’s happening with the MPC prices. But generally speaking, the majority of people out there are starting to ask questions. I’m not so sure it’s having a material impact or moving the needle quite yet on substitution. Ted Jacoby III: Okay, well, it feels a little bit like a broken record. Milk everywhere, product everywhere except for whey, maybe that’s exactly the loop we’re in right now. Joe Maixner: We’ve talked a lot about supply and excess and whatnot, but demand, it feels like we’re increasingly teetering towards a crumbling economic situation with higher debt, people not having much discretionary income, and just overall demand being weak. Ted Jacoby III: So, if you’re looking at the demand numbers that we track, restaurant traffic is definitely down. It is clear that the economic environment we’re in, people’s pocketbooks are being stretched thin, and they’re cutting back on how often they go to restaurants and eat at [00:12:00] restaurants. Now, usually when that happens, there’s an offset into the retail side, and the retail side numbers usually go up a little bit. You are seeing that. Speaking to some of our branded customers, what they’re telling us is their sales are down, and the private label guys are saying, well, their sales are up, but frankly, not as much as they expected. The bottom has not dropped out yet. I think everybody’s watching it pretty closely. I think the industry’s concerned. I’ll leave it at that. Mike Brown: I think food service continues to be the big stickler on overall dairy sales. Grocery sales are okay. Food service continues to be weak, and that’s gonna affect us. Mm-hmm. Particularly, I think some of the high-fat products. Josh White: When we’re looking at it from the home front, it doesn’t feel real great, but if we’re looking at just how much additional milk we have globally, including out of Oceana and out of South America, and looking at how much of that surplus milk globally is being consumed in Asia right now, I mean they’ve been buying I wonder if that points to some brightness, at least some positives? Now, I also am a little [00:13:00] concerned that we have a consolidation of demand events, with Chinese New Year buying at the same time that Ramadan continues to move earlier and earlier every year. And prices are low right now. Feels like we might have a big concentration of demand that’s meant to satisfy local needs in the early part of 2026, but there has been a lot of international trade. Ted Jacoby III: I think you’re absolutely right. Ramadan and the Chinese New Year are both in February. Diego Carvallo: The word in the street, Ted, is that most of the Ramadan and New Year’s demand is gonna be fulfilled by the middle of November. Ted Jacoby III: In other words, by the time we get to January 1st, those orders are gone. Mike Brown: Yeah. And Super Bowl is 10 days before the start of Ramadan in the Chinese New Year. So, they’re all pretty close together. Josh White: I went back to saying that, hey, we’ve got a lot of milk globally, every surplus region’s producing more milk than expected. You mentioned earlier, Ted, that doesn’t even account for the component growth that we have here. That’s been fairly impressive. [00:14:00] What’s been interesting about that is it hasn’t felt this heavy. You might believe, well, it doesn’t feel as heavy because the Northern Hemisphere is at its low milk production points. Maybe it doesn’t feel as heavy because we’ve got a concentration of additional demand, but we’re trading a lot of anticipatory supply concerns. We’re really trading the fact that tomorrow we’re worried we have a lot of incremental milk, globally, that we don’t necessarily know where we’re gonna go with it. That’s not a reason to get bullish, to be super clear, but I do think that if we’re thinking through vulnerabilities in the market, that might be one. Ted Jacoby III: I would agree with that. I think there are three things that are probably keeping this market from going straight to the bottom. One, as you said, we’re at the low point seasonally for milk production in the Northern Hemisphere. Two, we are at the high point for demand everywhere. And three, you get to a certain point, and I think we are there in all products, we may actually be passed there in butter, but we are there in cheese, I think we’re there in nonfat, where [00:15:00] in order to go lower, you need to build up supply to the point where the inventories become actually burdensome, and I don’t think they have become burdensome yet, but I would expect that sometime in the first quarter of 2026, they will. You’ll start hearing reports that warehouses are full. You’ll start hearing reports that, from a cashflow perspective, whether it’s traders, whether it’s manufacturers, you have people who just need to dump inventory because they don’t have the cash flow to continue to hold inventory. Those are the things that drive markets to their lows. And so, if you think about the old saying: the cure for high prices is high prices, and the cure for low prices is low prices, that’s when you find out what the low price is, and then you go to that place that sends the strongest supply signal possible to suppliers that they need to cut back. Mike Brown: I was at a cattle show of all things this weekend and was talking with someone about feeding palm oil to get butterfat. His rule of thumb was that a pound of palm oil costs about a dollar, and you get about a 00:16:00 three-to-five-point increase in fat test from that. So, if you say 0.4 and you’re a 90-pound Holstein herd, that’s 0.36 pounds of fat. So, you’re paying a dollar to produce, there’s roughly 50, 60 cents worth of butter fat. So, we may start to see that come into conversations on rations. Josh White: And if we’re looking for optimism, I think that formula is pretty openly discussed in Europe as well. So, you’ve got a situation now where you have the on-farm milk price that is beginning to drop, the signals there that it needs to come down. It’s moving at a decent clip, to Diego’s point, maybe not enough to make any major change yet, but for planning purposes, things like feeding for fat might be a bit more vulnerable going forward there. So yeah, if we’re looking for what could start to correct our oversupply situation or what could potentially stabilize or support the market, we need time. I think that’s the most important thing that needs to happen, is we need time, and we need a milk price that curtails any additional production growth [00:17:00] for the moment so that demand can catch up. We talked about the U.S. situation and how the consumer spending situation doesn’t feel great. But globally, per capita butterfat consumption globally is growing. Per capita protein consumption is growing. We just need to give the demand time to catch up. Inventories might be starting to build, but they’re nowhere nearcumbersome. I would actually argue, our supply chain is still very thin. I wouldn’t even argue that we’re getting to a point where we’re normal by historical standards. I think that we have a pretty thin supply chain, and that’s everything from measurable inventory and reports, like cold storage reports and manufacturing stocks here in the U.S., but all the way through the pipeline. I don’t believe that many end users are sitting on excess product or have too many days in inventory. I think they’ve been quite comfortable buying hand-to-mouth. And the only product they’re being punished on right now for that is whey proteins. Ted Jacoby III: I think you’re right, Josh. I would agree with that statement. I think butter [00:18:00] is somewhat of an exception. Joe Maixner: I don’t know. Butter, it just depends on product mix, right? It’s CME eligible salted bulk. I think overall inventories are not burdensome. But we do have too much older CME-eligible salted bulk butter out there. Ted Jacoby III: That’s actually where I’m going, Joe. What do butter manufacturers do if they’re worried about having produced too many quarters and too many solids? They’ll just produce bulk. And so bulk is the overflow because they know the worst-case scenario, they can dump it onto the CME. And so that is where we end up with excess surplus, just like we get the same with a cheddar block in the cheese market. Josh White: How is international demand for U.S. butter at the moment, Joe, compared to where you would expect it to be and compared to where we were a few months ago? Joe Maixner: It’s steady right now. New inquiries are still coming in, but inquiries have lessened compared to a month or two ago; there’s a lot being made and shipping right now. International markets are starting to open their eyes to something other than [00:19:00] 82%. They’re starting to expand into the 80% because they are finally starting to realize that the numbers that they see on the futures don’t equate to the numbers they pay for an 82% product. And so anybody that’s really just using it for solids, for processing, is starting to convert, which is helping clean up some of that 80% salted butter, but it’s still not fast enough to really move the needle yet. Josh White: So, if the outlook for butterfat really doesn’t have any material upside in the near future, and we’re currently looking at Class III and IV prices, where they’re at, when do we start to impact the U.S. producer’s decision on making incremental milk beyond just the fat component? Are we close or are we still a long way away? Jacob Menge: Look at this Milk Production Report. We are up 268,000 head since June of 2024. That just keeps going up. There was an August revision of 71,000 head higher. The answer is a pretty [00:20:00] conclusive, not yet. I’m looking at the last time, September milk production beat the prior month, so beat August, which was 2001. And it just did that; September just beat August, and the last time it did that was 2001. Josh White: We’re not even talking about adjusted for components. Jacob Menge: That is correct. Joe Maixner: I can’t imagine that $16 to $17 Class III causes any worries right now for the farmers, with $4 corn and $1,200 feeder calves. Mike Brown: As long as you’re in a Class III market, if you’re heavy Class IV, your price isn’t $17. It depends on where you’re located, Joe. But for the most part, if you’re in a cheese market, it’s still decent. You’re right because the whey is also contributing a lot to that Class III price right now with a 70¢ whey market. Ted Jacoby III: Yeah. And the cows are all increasing in the states where there is increased processing capacity as well. Jacob Menge: These guys have had time to hedge this, and they still almost can hedge this, right? Going into later next year, where I think it’s gotta be at a point where they can’t hedge at a profit, and then you’ve [00:21:00] really got issues. Josh White: If we’re in a situation where the global economic outlook isn’t great, so that means we shouldn’t expect any major demand booms to pull dairy up We’re realizing supply growth in all major dairy surplus regions; the only correction for this is supply. And who’s the first to react? The obvious answer is it’s gonna be head-to-head with Europe and the U.S. Who breaks first? These are very, very different markets with different drivers, and they’re actually experiencing growth for different reasons related to the big picture, but different reasons. Europe just went through a situation where its butterfat carried the day. And butterfat was incredibly high, much higher than the U.S. price. They were an importer of fat from New Zealand, bringing in a noteworthy amount of product. And then now going into this year, they’ve seen a really significant drop, well below the support level that most traders would’ve held for butterfat. You assume [00:22:00] that they’re not gonna import a bunch of that product, forcing that product on the rest of the market. They’re going through a pretty negative situation right now as well. One thing you can’t forget about the European producer is that if you kill cows, it’s really tough to replace them, not for the same reasons we have in the U.S., that right now it’s just difficult to compete with beef. But they don’t wanna make those changes for a lot of regulatory reasons. So, they’re gonna hang on as long as possible. The U.S. model, we’re not in pain yet, generally speaking. Some smaller producers might look at higher beef prices and lower dairy outlook as an opportunity to exit. But there is way more structural expansion in motion or down the line that I think that train’s moving down the tracks. So, it’ll be really interesting to see if and who breaks first between the North American market and the European market. Ted Jacoby III: My hunch is it’s the U.S. market. I still think we’re a minimum of six months away, maybe even 12 to 18. Now there are signs, like you look at the Milk Production Report, the state of Washington is down [00:23:00] 8.5%. So, there are places where we are losing cows. Even though the majority of the country has gained cows recently, I would argue that with the drop in the butter price and the weakness in the nonfat market, California is the next one that I think will follow. They’ll struggle to get a decent milk price given that those are the two dominant price drivers for the California market. Diego Carvallo: But if you look at Idaho’s strongly up. So, it seems like a movement between Washington and Idaho. Ted Jacoby III: I think you could be right. Joe Maixner: California, their numbers this month were slightly higher than their peak production year 22. They’re on the uptrend. That’s a large ship that takes a while to turn around. Ted Jacoby III: I don’t disagree. I also think you’re still measuring against bird flu in California. You could argue that it may be a little artificially high. Joe Maixner: I actually questioned that because of the lower increase than I had anticipated for the September number, and bird flu didn’t actually start in California until October. So, we will see even larger increases next month forward in California. They [00:24:00] have that Class I plant that they opened as well out there. Mike Brown: They’re also getting hit with a big assessment, a lot of the producers out there, because the butter market changed, there’s been a lot of inventory loss, and that’s gonna hurt some producers as well. No one I talk to in California is worried about finding milk. They’re worried about finding a place to put it right now. Ted Jacoby III: I don’t think that’s isolated to being a California problem right now. Mike Brown: I would agree. You’re right. Ted Jacoby III: On that note, I think it’s a good time to wrap. Thanks, everybody, for joining us this week. Look forward to talking to you guys again soon. Thank you.

Butter's slipping, cheese feels heavy, but the protein complex is flexing hard. In this Milk Check market roundtable, Ted Jacoby III brings together Diego Carvallo, Jacob Menge, Joe Maixner and Josh White to unpack what's driving the mixed messages in the markets. Listen to hear: Why butter could fall below $1.50 before year-end How global health trends are powering whey protein demand Why cheese exports are getting harder to move Whether dairy's bearish mood could trigger a short squeeze It's a classic Milk Check market roundtable. Listen now to The Milk Check episode 86: Bears in Butter, Bulls in Protein. Got questions? Got questions for The Milk Check team? We've got answers. Submit your questions below and we'd be happy to get back to you or answer your question on the podcast. Ask The Milk Check Ted Jacoby III: Hey everybody, welcome to The Milk Check. We're gonna have an old-fashioned market discussion today. We've got a lot going on in dairy markets right now. It's the middle of October. Markets are moving, but not in the direction that they usually move in October. It seems like everything wants to go down right now, and we'll start with the product that seems to be most bearish today, the one we've been talking about a lot lately. Joe, what is going on with butter? Joe Maixner: Butter is interesting today because we're actually up. Long-term Sentiment really hasn't changed. There's not really a whole lot new to talk about on the butter. Markets aren't linear, so we're gonna have these choppy trades here and there where some buying comes in and things get pushed. But there's plenty of butter still out there. There's plenty of butter being offered out there. Right now, there's a good amount of demand, but we're anticipating that that's fairly short-lived. We've got [00:01:00] holiday demand for another couple of weeks here, and then that should probably tail off. We'll see what happens after that. Ted Jacoby III: So we're a $1.60 and a $1.65 today. It's Friday, October 10th. Felt like a little bit of a dead cat bounce after really dropping pretty hard earlier in the week. Is that what it is? Is it a dead cat bounce? Joe Maixner: I wouldn't call a quarter of a cent on spot a dead cat bounce. The moves on the futures are 3¢ to 5¢ moves with a 10¢ plus move intraday. There's no shortage of volatility. Ted Jacoby III: What do you think will be happening in the next month? You think maybe we'll bounce off this, go up a little bit for the next couple of weeks? Then all the orders that need to get filled for the holidays get filled? And then what? Joe Maixner: I think we take another leg lower. I think we'll be sub $1.50 before the end of the year. Ted Jacoby III: I agree. We're at prices so low that a year ago it would've been really hard to imagine we'd ever get here. And the idea that we could even go lower from here just seems unbelievable, but that's the market we're in right now. Joe Maixner: Less than 24 months ago, we were all talking about $4 butter [00:02:00] coming, and there was not enough fat to keep up with demand. And now we're potentially going to the $1.40s. There's so much fat that we can't consume it all. But we also have to remember that this is all cyclical, and at some point, these low prices are gonna cure the low prices. Ted Jacoby III: Meanwhile, let's talk a little bit about protein. The more bearish we get on butter, the more bullish the protein markets seem to get. What's going on in the protein markets right now? Josh White: I think we gotta define which we're talking about with protein because if it's protein with over 34% protein, it's pretty hard to find, particularly with the whey proteins. If it's 34% or under, most unstandardized non-fat dry milk is quite a bit above 34%, so maybe let's say 40%, it seems like we can't find a bottom. So, really, two very different markets at the moment. So,

Does perfect weather mean bad news for dairy? In this episode of The Milk Check, Ted Jacoby III and the Jacoby team welcome guests from Cefetra Dairy, Henk-Jan Bouwman, Head of Account Management; Martijn Goedhart, Managing Director; and Veljko Perovic, Commodity Market Analyst and Derivatives Trader. Together, we unpack why the world is swimming in butter and what it means for producers, traders and processors heading into 2026. You'll hear: Why too much 80% salted has the U.S. sloshing in inventory How Europe went from record highs to €2,000-per-ton losses When demand might finally catch up with supply Click play below and listen now to The Milk Check episode 84: Swimming in Butter – Global Insights from Cefetra Group. Got questions? Got questions for The Milk Check team? We've got answers. Submit your questions below and we'd be happy to get back to you or answer your question on the podcast. Ask The Milk Check Ted Jacoby III: Welcome everybody to The Milk Check, a T.C. Jacoby & Co. podcast. We have a really exciting episode today. We are going to be discussing the U.S. and European butter markets and how that's going to affect global butter supply, global butter demand, and obviously price. We are joined today by our good friends from Cefetra Dairy. We've got Martijn, Henk-Jan, and Veljko from Cefetra Dairy. Really looking forward to this discussion. Joe, we're gonna start with you. What's going on with the U.S. butter market? We've just dropped in the last two months, what, 60, 70¢? I feel like the bottom just dropped out. What's been driving this, and how's this gonna play out going forward? Joe Maixner: Well, long story short, there's too much 80% salted sitting in inventories, both in trader's hands and in manufacturer's hands. There was a lot of product built earlier in the year when there was a great carry in the market [00:01:00] and when cream was plentiful. All of that product is coming back to the market because cream is still plentiful and manufacturers aren't needing it for micro fixing. Demand has been good, but not great. Ted Jacoby III: Is it safe to say that even if we're having good butter demand in the U.S. right now, it doesn't compare to the increase in supply we're dealing with? Joe Maixner: Absolutely. We're so much higher year over year on fat component and milk production that we just physically can't consume as much butter as we're producing. Ted Jacoby III: Mike Brown, my question for you is this, we've come down from $3.50 two years ago, $2.50 earlier this year, now we're at a $1.75. We've talked a lot about on this program how the genetics have dairy cows producing a lot more butterfat than they have in years past, and that's a trend that has really changed the supply side dynamic for butterfat in the U.S. At a $1.75, does that trend change? Mike Brown: The genetic trend of course won't change 'cause it's permanent . People have been making decisions to improve fat content of milk for a long, long time. It's been [00:02:00] emphasized because of the high value of fat. And so it's already built into not only the current dairy herd, but the animals that will be replacements over the next two or three years. On the feeding side, that's another story, but most folks I talk to say a $1.50, $1.70 fat probably isn't gonna make a lot of change in feeding and management on a dairy farm. You may see some of those higher expensive fat additives that are used to increase fat used a little less heavily, but the trend overall will be there. Will the rate of gain continue to be as high? I think is a good question, but I don't think the trend toward gaining fat's gonna change certainly in the next two, three years. Ted Jacoby III: So, this is a question for both Mike and Gus. One of the rumors I've heard is that there have been some raw milk buyers out there who have been talking about putting caps on butter,

Butter is down. Powder is heavy. Cheese is struggling. But whey proteins? They're the shining star. In this episode of The Milk Check, host Ted Jacoby III sits down with Josh White, Gus Jacoby, Diego Carvallo, and Jacob Menge to break down what's really moving the dairy market this fall. We cover: Why WPC 80 and whey protein isolate remain in tight supply How weak butter, powder, and cheese are reshaping herd economics What today's demand means for dairy markets heading into 2026 They're the shining star now, but can whey proteins hold at $10/lb without burning out? Listen now to hear Jacoby's take on what's in the stars for dairy this year and beyond. Got questions? Got questions for The Milk Check team? We've got answers. Submit your questions below and we'd be happy to get back to you or answer your question on the podcast. Ask The Milk Check Ted Jacoby III: Welcome, everybody, to the September edition of the Jacoby Market discussion on our Milk Check podcast. Today, we've got Josh White, head of our dairy ingredients group. We've got my brother Gus to talk about what's going on with milk, cream, and UF milk. We have Diego Carvallo on our international business and nonfat business teams. And then we got Jacob Menge with risk management and trading strategy. So, Gus, let's go ahead and start with you. It's September. This is usually the time of year when everybody is shipping a lot of milk into the Southeast. How do things look in milk, and what's going on in cheese and UF right now? Gus Jacoby: Certainly, Ted, milk has gotten tight as it typically does this time of year. I wouldn't say, though, relatively speaking, for mid-September that we're all that tight. Obviously, milk production reports have been up recently; there's more milk than we had last year. Yes, we've added processing capacity in [00:01:00] certain regions of the country, like the western portion of the upper Midwest, and, of course, the Southwest. However, in many areas, early fall tightness does exist. But it's a bit longer than last year. Where we really need to look at, though, is the component area and some of the products, such as sweet cream. That's certainly very long. We know about butterfat being much higher today than it was just a couple of years ago. And I would say the cream markets, which typically in early fall draw some pretty high multiples, those multiples are tempered to a fair amount. Cream can be had at a time when it is typically tough to find. So, there's no doubt that what we're seeing out in the marketplace, and I would say from coast to coast, is more cream than what we're used to. And certainly, more of a buyer's market in the fall than it ever has been, at least in the history of the industry that I've seen.  Now, on the flip side, the protein markets are a bit interesting. I wanna let Josh speak on the powder side, but we are seeing that UF milk is having a strong comeback. People need protein, whether it be for fortification [00:02:00] needs and natural cheese, whether it be for health and wellness shakes, whether it be for what have you. That product is getting a lot of attention. And certainly, the one area that I'm seeing this fall that's got some tightness to it. Ted Jacoby III: Josh, what are you seeing on the protein side in your neck of the woods? Is what Gus is seeing with UF milk translating all the way over into dried proteins? Josh White: The most interesting of the product categories right now and the one gaining the most attention is in the whey protein sector. We're feeling pressure across a lot of the storable dairy products right now, but the one that remains very tight are the WPCs, in particular WPC 80 and whey protein isolate. The storyline hasn't changed a whole lot from prior discussions. We went into the year, and there was some trade disruption that masked how tight the market was. We knew a lot of capacity was coming online thi...

Are you leaving calf money on the table? Not long ago, a Holstein bull calf might have earned you 50 bucks, if that. Today, thanks to high beef prices and better breeding tools, that same cow might deliver a $1,000 calf instead. Beef-on-dairy isn't just a trend; it's changing how progressive dairies manage their herds and drive revenue. In this episode of The Milk Check, host Ted Jacoby III talks with CoBank's Corey Geiger and Abbigail Prins about how dairy farmers are rethinking breeding strategies and how those decisions are reshaping herd structure, replacement numbers, and profitability. Why some farms are holding onto cows longer How sexed semen and genomics are guiding breeding calls And how beef calves are becoming a serious income stream Whether you're breeding for replacements, premiums or profit, this episode unpacks how to make herd decisions that pay. Listen now to hear why the value of a cow's uterus might be higher than ever. Got questions? Got questions for The Milk Check team? We've got answers. Submit your questions below and we'd be happy to get back to you or answer your question on the podcast. Ask The Milk Check Intro (with music): Welcome to the Milk Check, a podcast from T.C. Jacoby & Co., where we share market insights and analysis with dairy farmers in mind. Ted Jacoby III: Welcome everybody to this month's version of the Milk Check, a T.C. Jacoby & Co. podcast. Really excited today to have two special guests from CoBank, Corey Geiger and Abbi Prins. We are going to talk about breeding to beef and the profitability of the dairy farm, and how that dairy farm profitability has changed over the years as this trend has come about, and what it means for the future of dairy. Excited to have this conversation, Corey, Abbi, thank you so much for joining us today. So Corey, what do you do? Corey Geiger: CoBank is actually short for cooperative banks, so we're the bank of cooperatives. We're part of the Farm Credit System. Abbi and I are part of the knowledge exchange division, so we have a group of 10 economists who work in dairy and animal protein, consumer package goods, digital infrastructure, and farm inputs and crops. I've been at CoBank for two years now. I have just started my third year with CoBank, and Abbi joined our team about a year ago. She can tell you a little bit about herself. Abbigail Prins: Thanks, Corey. I also joined CoBank about a year and a half ago. I helped cover the dairy and animal protein sectors, come from a very heavy dairy and agriculture background, originally from Tulare, California, based out of Minnesota now. We're excited to be on the podcast with you today, so thank you for the invitation. Ted Jacoby III: Abbi, Corey, thank you so much for joining us. Really appreciate it. So our topic today is going to be about breeding to beef and the dairy farm profitability, and how the whole breeding to beef trend has been affecting dairy farm profitability. Give us a little background on this trend of how more and more dairy farmers are breeding dairy cows in order to get cows to enter the dairy herd. More and more dairy farmers are breeding to beef and how is that affecting the dairy breed right now? Corey Geiger: I have a broad background, having been in the editorial team of Hoard's Dairyman for 28 years and a past president of Holstein USA, and this is a journey. It really involves a triple play. The first part of that triple play was gender sorted semen coming onto the scene. Then genomics came on the scene, and then it all kind of came together with the beef on dairy movement. Now, economics always enters the equation because if I were to come back and have a conversation with my late grandfathers and say, "We're breeding some of our prize Holsteins to Angus," they'd throw me out the window, thinking I fell on my head. But gender sorted semen came along.

The school bells are ringing in some changes for milk. Are you ready? Tune in to The Milk Check as the Jacoby team churns through the latest supply and demand dynamics in the August milk market, including: Why the usual summer heat dip in milk production feels normal, despite 3.3% higher year-over-year numbers Why cheese prices are holding steady and how New Zealand's production could impact exports Why protein products are powering ahead with strong domestic and international demand Why nonfat dry milk remains stuck in a flat market Whether you're a farmer, processor, or trader, tune in to The Milk Check to learn where we are and where we're headed as we head into the holiday season. Click below to listen to The Milk Check episode 81: From Summer Heat to School Coolers. Got questions? Got questions for The Milk Check team? We've got answers. Submit your questions below and we'd be happy to get back to you or answer your question on the podcast. Ask The Milk Check Ted Jacoby III: Welcome, everybody, to The Milk Check. We're recording this particular podcast on August 5, 2025. We're having a classic market discussion today, and with us are Josh White, head of our dairy ingredients group; Greg Sheer, who heads up our milk marketing group; Mike Brown of Jacoby dairy market intelligence; Tristan Suellentrop, and me. We're gonna just quickly speed through all the products and talk a little bit about what the demand and supply looks like as we transition from the heat of the summer into the fall. This time of year, what we're usually watching: the weather is hot, milk is starting to get a little bit tight, and then school starts up in a couple of weeks, so the bottling plants start needing more milk. We start shipping milk to the Southeast, and that tends to start a progression of tightness, not only in the milk supply, but in the supply of all dairy products as we get into the fall and the holiday season. So, we'll go ahead and start with Greg. Hey, Greg, can you tell us a little bit about what's going on with milk right now? Greg Scheer: We do see seasonally tightening milk supply. Production has been hit by the summer heat like it usually does. Maybe a little more heat in the Northeast than normal. We're seeing that in the Mideast and Midwest and all the way into the South and Southeast. We have some comments from some of our producers that maybe a little bit older cow herd has caused the heat to be a little more significant than normal. But we don't see an overabundance of that normal seasonal weakness in milk production. We're seeing solid demand, and we're starting to see a draw to the Southeast as schools will be starting up soon in the South and moving North when the schools start. So, that filling of the pipeline is going to really tighten the market, as it normally does seasonally at this time. So, tight spot markets and premiums throughout the Northeast, Mideast, and Midwest. We have the normal heat in the Southwest. Maybe a little less than usual in California, in the very west, but seasonally we're trending where we typically are this time of year, and we're about to get to the tightest time of the year when schools start to fill that pipeline for the school milk. So, expect firm spot market prices going forward. Even though production may bounce back a little from recent heat as we move into the end of August and September, depending on the weather this month. Ted Jacoby III: The Milk Production Report for June said we were up 3.3%. Does it really feel like we're up that much in a lot of the parts of the country, Greg, where we've got milk, or does it just feel like a classic deep summer transition into fall tightness? Greg Scheer: It felt like that in June that we were up that much. It doesn't feel like that now, which is normal. We had a heat wave in June, all of a sudden it went from being kind of cool and rainy to a hot spell that kind of kicked ...

GLP-1s like Ozempic and Wegovy are changing how Americans eat, and that has big implications for the dairy industry. In this episode of The Milk Check, host Ted Jacoby III welcomes Paul Ziemnisky, leader of nutrition and industry growth platforms at Dairy Management Inc., and Dr. Chris Cifelli, vice president of nutrition research for the National Dairy Council. Together with the Jacoby team, they unpack what GLP-1 appetite-suppressing drugs mean for dairy demand, and how our industry can win. We cover: How GLP-1s suppress hunger and how dairy's fat + protein combo supports satiety How protein quality matters more than ever, and why dairy still leads the pack How R&D teams are turning classic dairy products into high-protein, low-sugar solutions From gut health to GLP-1 support, this episode dives deep into one of the most important trends shaping dairy today. Join us for The Milk Check episode 81: The Ozempic and GLP-1 shockwave hitting U.S. dairy. Intro with music: Welcome to the Milk Check, a podcast from T.C. Jacoby & Co, where we share market insights and analysis with dairy farmers in mind. Ted Jacoby III: Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Milk Check. Excited to be here today. In addition to our usual suspects, Josh White, Mike Brown, and my brother guest, Jacoby. We've got two special guests today. We have Paul Ziemnisky, leader for nutrition and product science, technology, innovation and industry growth platforms at Dairy Management Inc. Again, we have Dr. Chris Cifelli, vice president of nutrition research for the National Dairy Council. Guys, thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you for taking time out of your busy days to talk about GLP-1s and how it's affecting the dairy industry. We really appreciate it. What are GLP-1s and why are they good for dairy? Dr. Chris Cifelli: I'll start with what they are and then Paul can talk about the consumer point of view. One of the key things whenever we eat food is that feeling of satiety, the feeling of fullness we get during a meal and then the satiation that occurs between meals until we get those body cues again that we're hungry and we want to eat. Unfortunately, in the environment we're in with stress and different factors, our body is a lot off schedule, so we tend to eat a lot more than we may need to on a daily basis. What GLP's are, glucagon like peptide is the official name, it's an appetite suppressant. So, when you eat and especially when you eat fat and protein, the body will release GLP-1 naturally, and that's what starts making you feel full. What these pharmaceuticals are, are ways to keep the levels of GLP-1 up in your body so you feel less hungry throughout the day more naturally. And what that's going to do is you're not going to snack quite as much. You're not going to have those cravings maybe for sweet salty snacks during the day. But with that appetite suppressant, it means that every calorie really then matters when you're eating throughout the day, and that's really where dairy can win. Paul Ziemnisky: To build on that, what it means for dairy is, I think Chris used two magic words, fat and protein. I think fat's been vilified since this early '70s, late '60s, and we've put a lot of effort in investment in proving the value of fat, especially dairy fats. I think you're going to see in the next six months, the acceleration of an acceptance of fat into things like the dietary guidelines and other uses. And the protein side of the equation, we've got the highest quality protein by far. We've got science behind the highest quality proteins and the efficacy of that. And then by the way, consumers, when they purchase anything, taste is number one factor. So, when you look at taste, price, value, health and wellness, we deliver on all those three sweet spots for that consumer. And so, you see things like yogurt on fire because of that,

En este episodio de The Milk Check, le damos la bienvenida a Ruth Aragon al equipo de Jacoby, quien se une a sus colegas de muchos años, Miguel y Yara. Es una reunión basada en décadas de experiencia, relaciones sólidas y un enfoque compartido: fortalecer la presencia de Jacoby en toda Latinoamérica. Acompáñanos mientras el equipo analiza: Cambios en los patrones comerciales y el crecimiento de las exportaciones de queso en México, Centroamérica y Sudamérica Por qué más compradores en Latinoamérica están optando por importaciones directas — y qué significa eso para los productos lácteos estadounidenses Dinámicas de mercado: desde la incertidumbre arancelaria hasta la volatilidad climática Un apetito creciente por las proteínas lácteas en toda la región Desde leche fluida hasta productos terminados, Ruth aporta una experiencia que abarca toda la cadena de suministro. Juntos, este equipo ampliado está listo para ofrecer más valor a los clientes de la región. No te pierdas el episodio 80 de The Milk Check: Bienvenida, Ruth: fortaleciendo a Jacoby en Latinoamérica.

In this week's episode of The Milk Check, the Jacoby team convenes to dissect a dairy market that feels balanced – barely. From milk still trickling in past the flush to range-bound commodity prices, this episode covers the major trends shaping the back half of 2025. Cheese exports are keeping Class III in check Culling numbers are down as producers are keeping heifers longer Global butterfat advantage fading with tighter GDT spreads WPC, WPI demand stable, but new production capacity looms And what if prices fall off the edge? From trade risks to recession fears, the industry feels one light push from price chaos. Listen now for insights on margins, milk flows and market forces. Got questions? Got questions for The Milk Check team? We've got answers. Submit your questions below and we'd be happy to get back to you or answer your question on the podcast. Ask The Milk Check Intro (with music): Welcome to The Milk Check, a podcast from TC Jacoby & Co., where we share market insights and analysis with dairy farmers in mind. Ted Jacoby III: Hello everybody, and welcome to this month's version of The Milk Check podcast by TC Jacoby & Co. This week, we will have a classic market discussion. It is June 9th, so we're approaching the midpoint in the month of June 2025, and joining me today are Diego Carvallo, our Director of Dry Dairy Ingredients Trading. Jacob Menge is our vice president of risk management and trading strategy. Josh White, our Vice President of Dairy Ingredients. Mike Brown, our VP of Market Intelligence. Joe Maixner, our director of dairy ingredients and resident butter expert, is also there. I think we'll go ahead and start with milk. It's the middle of June. We're past the flush, but milk is probably a little bit heavier than we expected. Milk production has been up. We know what is going on. The dairy farmers are making money, and they're keeping cows. Their culling numbers are down, and so we're seeing cow numbers up, maybe a little bit surprisingly, given what we know about the heifer replacement numbers, which means they're keeping them for an extra lactation, that is keeping milk solids output maybe a little bit lower than we expected. But the solids are still up as well. So as a result, we're seeing milk still on the long side, not too much out of what is normal for this time of year, and I wouldn't be surprised as the weather in the upper Midwest starts to heat up, we start to see that milk production drop off a little bit and everything get a little bit tighter. We just haven't quite reached that high temperature yet. And so that's what we're seeing in milk. Jake, how does that translate into cheese? What are we seeing in the cheese market right now? Jacob Menge: It's funny, I think from the last time we had a market discussion to today, the message will be very similar, which is a lot of mixed signals on the cheese side. You can talk to certain people who say, Hey, our orders are way down. And then you might talk to somebody else, saying, Hey, our orders look pretty good, meaning the demand is there. I think it's a bit of a tale of two cities regarding how exposed you are to the export market. Exports have been the thing that has been keeping us afloat on the cheese side. I think domestically, we're not doing great. I would say that the prices that we've been seeing, this kind of upper 190s, mid to upper 190s, we've come off in the past week or two, but I think that mid to upper 190s did hurt demand on the export side. I think that's kind of where we're at. I would say good, not great. It just seems like we're going to be range bound a bit on the cheese market just given this kind of pendulum swing of our prices move too high, which kills exports a little bit, but if we go down even just a little bit, you think the export market comes back in, so that's the feel we've got right now. Ted Jacoby III:

Are you missing the biggest leap in dairy performance since the milking machine? From fertility breakthroughs to Holsteins with 4.5% components/5% fat, today's cows are not your grandparents' cows. In this episode of The Milk Check, we sit down with Nate Zwald, president and CEO of Progenco, to uncover how genetics is quietly reshaping the dairy industry. We tackle: Why genetic progress is accelerating and how that changes your herd strategy The rise of gender-selected genetics and the fall of dairy bull calves What makes a cow “better” — and how to breed more of them Why embryo technology could be the next big leap Listen now to the latest episode of The Milk Check to learn why cows engineered for fire in the belly could have improved lifespan, higher fertility, better fat composition and a better life. Got questions? Got questions for The Milk Check team? We've got answers. Submit your questions below and we'd be happy to get back to you or answer your question on the show. Ask The Milk Check Special Guest: Nate Zwald, president and CEO of Progenco The Jacoby Team: Gus Jacoby, president, fluid dairy ingredients & dairy support Mike Brown, vice president of dairy market intelligence Ted Jacoby III, CEO & president, cheese, butter & dry ingredients Intro (with music): Welcome to The Milk Check, a podcast from T.C. Jacoby & Co., where we share market insights and analysis with dairy farmers in mind. Ted Jacoby III: Welcome, everybody, to the podcast. This month's version we have a special guest. We have Nate Zwald, former CEO of ABS Global and current president and CEO of Progenco. Joining us from the Jacoby team is Mike Brown, our VP of Market Intelligence, and Josh White, our VP of Dairy Ingredients. Nate, we've asked you on this podcast today because you're one of the foremost experts in bovine genetics out there, and we've been talking a lot about some of the changes in cow genetics and how it's been affecting our dairy markets. It's something we'd love to learn a lot more about. Why don't you start us off? Tell us a little about your background, and we'll go from there. Nate Zwald: Yeah, sure. Well, first of all, a pleasure to be here. I appreciate being asked and appreciate that introduction. I've had a long career in dairy genetics, starting with growing up on a farm and learning about dairy genetics from where it should be learned about, in a barn with my dad, thinking about milking cows and recognizing that the next generation of cows was going to be better than the current generation of cows. And that was a pretty fun thing to see firsthand. When you think about having a daughter of a cow out in the heifer yard, that's going to be better than the cow you're milking today. And I think that's the whole idea that we think about when we think about genetics is making better animals faster and trying always to make sure that the next generation is going to be more productive, healthier, happier, better for the farmers, better for the community, and better for the world and the next generation than the cows are in this generation. And we've seen tremendous progress through time in doing that compared to when I was a kid milking cows thinking, "Hey, I hope the heifer is going to be better than the cow herself." Because here we are, we've gone through so many technologies like selection for fitness, longevity, and fertility, and then we went through genomic technology that's had a huge impact on the industry. And then more recently, sex semen and the use of beef on dairy cows have all had substantial changes to the genetic progress curve compared to what seems like not that long ago from my standpoint, just milking cows in the barn with dad. Ted Jacoby III: So, currently, what are some of the major trends in genetics that the dairy producer is either utilizing or needs to be aware of, that are coming down the pike?

It's May 8th. Do you know where your tariff is? When the tariff winds shift, the Jacoby team is there to help you steer your strategy. Tune in to the latest episode of The Milk Check with special guest Will Loux from the U.S. Dairy Export Council, as we cover: Tariff tensions – How will ongoing trade talks between the U.S. and China impact dairy exports? Shifting trade strategies – How are global buyers adjusting to new tariff realities, and where does the U.S. stand in this complex landscape? Innovation and adaptation – What moves should U.S. producers and buyers make to adapt and thrive amidst tariff uncertainty? Don't miss this conversation as we explore how tariffs are reshaping the dairy trade and what the future holds for U.S. dairy exports. Listen now to The Milk Check episode 77: Tariff talk with Will Loux from the U.S. Dairy Export Council Intro (with music): Welcome to The Milk Check, a podcast from TC Jacoby & Company where we share market insights and analysis with dairy farmers in mind. Ted Jacoby III: Welcome, everybody, to this week's version of The Milk Check. It is May 1st, 2025. Once again, we're going to revisit the topic of tariffs and international trade. And as everybody knows, it's a shifting landscape. We have a special guest today, Will Loux from the US Dairy Export Council. Will is Senior Vice President of Global Economic Affairs. Will, thanks for joining us today. Will Loux: Thanks for having me, Ted. Good to be on. Ted Jacoby, III: We also have some of our usual suspects. Mike Brown, VP of Dairy Market Intelligence, Miguel Aragon, our director of Latin America Cheese Sales, and Josh White, our VP of Dairy Ingredients, and Tristan Sellentrup. Thanks for joining us, guys. So Will, we're going to start in the obvious place. What is DC's attitude about everything that's going on in tariffs, especially with regards to dairy? Do you see anything changing anytime soon? Is there anything in the works? What's the landscape as you see it? Will Loux: There's a lot of uncertainty. We were talking about several different types of tariffs that are effectively going on because we have our bilateral relationship with China where we have very high tariffs both for products coming into the US and China has very high tariffs for our dairy products going out, but we also have the 10% universal tariff. We have the steel and aluminum tariff. We have the USMCA question marks between Canada, Mexico, everything else. So right, now I would say there's about four different tariff balls being juggled all at once. And as far as where we're going in DC, I think that's anyone's guess where obviously within national milk and the Export Council, very hard at work these days. Very grateful. Jaime and Shauna and Tony Rice on our trade policy team get to live this every day while I get to check out, I guess, what's happening in the markets. Ted Jacoby, III: There's been rumors that China and the US are talking and they're trying to work out some things that could lower those tariffs. What are you hearing? Will Loux: Good question. Right now, at least what we've heard is there are talks, at least attempting to. I don't know how far along these talks have gotten. When we look at the tariffs between the US and China right now, there probably needs to be some sort of path to de-escalation, but this is also something that when we had the first round of retaliatory tariffs between US and China, that lasted 18 months. So I personally don't necessarily expect this to change overnight. That would surprise me. There are a lot of things that would surprise me these days in DC, but I would expect this to be in for the long haul. Whether it stays at 125%, I don't know, but at the same time finding an off ramp for what seems to be at least somewhat of a strategy towards decoupling the US and China in a lot of ways continues to be at least very much forefront and li...

In this week's episode of The Milk Check, we strap in for a wild ride. From tariff chaos to spring flush milk surpluses, the market is anything but predictable. Join Ted Jacoby and the team of experts as we cover key topics, including: The spring milk flush and its impact on processing plants Cream demand firming up but still long Butter market volatility and how cream shortages are affecting prices Tariffs and how they're impacting the international dairy trade Our team of experts break down the current dairy climate and offer insights on navigating these turbulent waters. Listen now to The Milk Check episode 76: Tariff talk takes dairy on a wild ride. The Jacoby Team: Brianne Breed, senior vice president, cheese trading Diego Carvallo, director, dry dairy ingredient trading Gus Jacoby, president, fluid dairy ingredients & dairy support Jacob Menge, vice president of risk management & trade strategy Joe Maixner, director of sales, dairy ingredients Josh White, vice president, dairy ingredients Miguel Aragón, director of international cheese sales, Latin America Mike Brown, vice president, dairy market intelligence Ted Jacoby III, CEO & president, cheese, butter & dry ingredients Intro (with music): Welcome to The Milk Check, a podcast from T.C. Jacoby & Company, where we share market insights and analysis with dairy farmers in mind Ted Jacoby III: Welcome everybody. It is April 11th, 2025. We've had a lot going on in the last couple of weeks. Trump initiated some tariffs, took some tariffs off, and raised some tariffs. I think we landed in various different spots when the dust started to settle, and I'm pretty sure that the dust hasn't settled yet. So, this market discussion could be completely out of date by the time we get back on Monday. I've asked a lot of my traders to join us for this discussion. My brother Gus is representing the Fluid Group and talking a little about milk and cream. We've got Diego with international sales and non-fat. We've got Brianne here to talk about cheese. We've got Joe here to talk about butter, and we've got Josh here to talk about whey, as well as Miguel to help Bri with cheese. And then we've got Mike Brown joining us. And so we're just going to go around the horn and talk about our various dairy products. Obviously, we can't avoid the topic of tariffs today. Let's start where the milk starts, and start with milk. Gus, what's going on in milk right now? Gus Jacoby: Well, we're in the middle of the spring flush. So, in areas like the Mideast, Northeast, and even areas on the Eastern Atlantic, you have some pretty long milk. But an interesting dichotomy for the discussion is that there are areas of the country that aren't so long. It's mostly areas where a lot of milk-processing capacity has been added, like the I-29 corridor up in South Dakota or down the Southwest. Those areas aren't quite as tight, but nonetheless, where it is long, for example, in the Mideast, there have been a number of plant shutdowns for periods that have made it really long for certain stretches. You add in some higher components, and you're in for some interesting times right here in the middle of April. Ted Jacoby III: So we're about a week away from Easter. Do we think things will get even longer over the Easter weekend before they maybe start to clean up a little bit? Gus Jacoby: Some plants that were down are coming back online, but not all of them, so I think you will have a little bit of both. It's hard to figure out exactly how long we'll be over Easter. But I think it's safe to say that you'll likely have enough plant shutdowns during that holiday weekend, and it'll still be ugly. Ted Jacoby III: And what about cream? Cream has been the bane of many people's existence this year, especially in the Midwest. Is it still ugly? Or is it starting to get better? Gus Jacoby: It's not as ugly as it was.

In this episode of The Milk Check, find out why some dairy producers may be eyeing the exit. Sarina Sharp, risk manager at Ag Business Solutions and the writer behind TC Jacoby's Weekly Market Report joins the Jacoby team this week. Sarina brings invaluable insights as we dig into critical topics like: Milk prices and financial stability: How long can dairy farmers survive with Class III prices dipping below $17? Supply chain shifts: How whiplash tariffs, changing federal orders, and fluctuating demand are affecting the U.S. dairy market. Bird flu and milk production: How the bird flu has changed U.S. milk production, and where it may strike next. Tune in to The Milk Check episode 75: Exit stage left: Why some producers are selling out while they can. If you like milk (and we know you do), then pour yourself a mug and tune in for insights on how to navigate this uncertain landscape and stay ahead in the coming months. Special Guest: Sarina Sharp, risk manager, Ag Business Solutions, and market analyst for the Daily Dairy Report The Jacoby Team: Josh White, vice president, dairy ingredients Ted Jacoby III, CEO & president, cheese, butter & dry ingredients Mike Brown, vice president, dairy market intelligence Gus Jacoby, president, fluid dairy ingredients & dairy support Intro (with music): Welcome to The Milk Check, a podcast from T.C. Jacoby & Company, where we share market insights and analysis with dairy farmers in mind. Ted Jacoby III: Welcome everyone to the March 28th, 2025, edition of The Milk Check, a T.C. Jacoby & Company podcast. It is my pleasure to welcome a couple of special guests to the podcast this week, first, Sarina Sharp of Ag Business Solutions and the Daily Dairy report. Welcome to the podcast, Sarina. Most of you know that Sarina is also the writer of the T.C. Jacoby Weekly Market Report, which we publish every Friday. Sarina, we're honored to have you join us today. More importantly, thank you for the partnership. I can't tell you how often I get compliments on the weekly report that you write for us, so thank you very much. Sarina Sharp: Thanks for having me. Thrilled to hear it. Ted Jacoby III: In addition, we have a few of our usual suspects: my brother Gus, head of our fluid group; Josh White, head of our dairy ingredients team, and I am excited to announce that Mike Brown, formerly of IDFA and Kroger fame, is joining the Jacoby team as our new vice president of Dairy Market Intelligence. Mike, I am excited to have you on the team, and I look forward to having you on this podcast as a regular presence. Mike Brown: Well, thank you, Ted. I'm delighted to be here. It's good to be back in markets and away from government regulation. I'm very excited about the opportunity. And Sarina, I am really looking forward to working with you. I've been a fan for decades now. Appreciate that opportunity to work with you as well. Sarina Sharp: Time flies. Ted Jacoby III: It sure does. So my first question is this. We've been talking for probably a couple of years now about the heifer replacements and the issue that's been evolving because many dairy farmers are breeding to beef simply because it's really hard to pass up $700 for a black cow rather than spending $3,000 to raise that calf into a heifer. But we're getting to the point where right now, for example, our traders that sell into the retail space, they're telling us demand's not that great. Those who are selling into the food service space are saying demand's not that great. Even our traders who export are telling us that Trump's rhetoric about tariffs is having an effect and making it difficult for us to export. In other words, demand is not that great on the horizon. Milk prices have come down. Class III price is probably going to be in the low 17s, maybe even into the high 16s in April. Are we getting to the point that we're starting to reach that line where dairy fa...

Dairy markets have taken a hit, with prices dropping across the board. Global economic uncertainty, tariff concerns, and weak demand have sent prices for cheese, butter, nonfat dry milk, and whey tumbling. Our team tackles this and more, including: Pricing market predictions by dairy product category Tariffs and demand changes for U.S. products Global strategies to diversify supply chains and potential long-term impacts A potential shift on feed strategies and butterfat production Don't miss Ted Jacoby III and his expert panel's market discussion on what's going on and what may be coming next. Listen now to The Milk Check. Intro (with music) Welcome to The Milk Check, a podcast from T.C. Jacoby & Co., where we share market insights and analysis with dairy farmers in mind. Ted Jacoby III: Welcome everybody to this month's version of The Milk Check. We're going to have an old-fashioned market discussion this month. Joining me today is Diego Carvallo, Director of Dry Ingredient Trading, especially on the international side, Greg Scheer, our Milk Marketing Manager, Jacob Menge, Vice President of Risk Management and Trade Strategy, Jared Miklasz, Sales Manager for the UFC Group, UF Milk and Cream, Joe Maixner, Director of Sales for Dairy Ingredients, and our Head Butter Trader, Josh White, our Vice President of Dairy Ingredients, and Miguel Aragon, Director of International Cheese Sales for Latin America. We're recording March 7th. Before we get started, let me say this: stick around, and don't go when we start to say goodbye. We're going to have a Marvel version of this podcast. After we said goodbye, we ended up having another 15 minutes of conversation. That may have been the best part of the whole conversation. Thanks everybody. Pretty much every single one of our markets has been down 20 to 30 cents in the last month, whether it's cheese, butter, non-fat, or whey. They all seem to be down 20 to 30 cents. Jake, is this a function of all of the tariff rhetoric coming out of the Trump administration, or is there something else going on? Jacob Menge: It's tough to separate the components of what are really driving these markets. I think tariff talk is absolutely part of it. In our last podcast we mentioned that uncertainty just weighs on markets, and there's more uncertainty today than I would say. There was the last podcast we did. The can has gotten kicked on the Mexico tariffs. I'm not sure how many times you can do that. This time when it happened, we saw it in equity markets, they didn't really pop like they did last time. The can got kicked on tariffs and equities were like, "Oh, okay, good." And when it happened yesterday, equities really just continued. They're crying lower. I'm only bringing that up because this is obviously a macroeconomic-driven dairy and equities market. Tariffs are part of the problem, but demand is just poor, according to everything we've seen. I think we'll hear from all of our product traders. That is certainly a factor, but it's tough to blame anything. Ted Jacoby III: All right, well, let's start with butterfat today. I'm going to ask Jared and Joe together. The butter market is down 20 to 30 cents, and the cream market has been ugly since Christmas. What's going on on the demand side? Will this market stay this way all year, or is it a classic seasonal phenomenon? Because if there's one market that's probably the most insulated by the tariff talk, it would be the butter market, but butter, if anything, it almost feels like the heaviest of all of our markets right now. Jacob Menge: There are certainly quirks in each market. Dairy is not the only one seeing that, though, so if I had to lean one way or the other, yeah, there are macroeconomic influences in that demand piece. Jared Miklasz: Butterfat numbers are still hanging out somewhere in the 4.5% range compared to they're about a year over year 2.

Could tariffs put U.S. dairy exports at risk? In this episode of The Milk Check, special guest Mike McCully, President of The McCully Group, joins us to slice through the uncertainty in today's dairy market. With trade tensions rising, could tariffs spook global buyers and push them toward alternative markets? We tackle some of the biggest questions facing dairy exporters today, including: Will tariffs curdle U.S. dairy exports? How are Mexico and China adjusting their buying strategies? What happens if tariffs push global buyers to look elsewhere? Listen now to the latest episode of The Milk Check to learn what's making waves in the dairy markets. Special Guest: Mike McCully, The McCully Group The Jacoby Panel: Diego Carvallo Jacob Menge Josh White Miguel Aragón Ted Jacoby, III Yara Morales Intro (with music) Welcome to The Milk Check, a podcast from T.C. Jacoby & Company where we share market insights and analysis with dairy farmers in mind. Ted Jacoby, III: Welcome everybody to The Milk Check. So, today, our topic is going to be tariffs and how that might affect the U.S. dairy industry. We are recording this at 2:00 PM on Friday, February 7th, and we're going to talk about tariffs. Very likely, by the time you listen to this, it might all be irrelevant because who knows what the Trump administration is going to do next? Joining us today from our team is Miguel Aragon, our Director of Latin America's Sales for Cheese; Yara Morales, our Director of International Sales for Dairy Ingredients; Diego Carvallo, our Head of International Trading for our Dairy Ingredients Team; and Josh White, the Head of our Dairy Ingredients Team. Also, Brianne Breed is joining us, Head of our Cheese Team, and Jacob Menge, Head of our Risk Management and Trading Strategy. In addition to that illustrious group, we've got Mike McCully today, the founder of the McCulley Group, who is probably well known to most everybody in the dairy industry, at least in North America. Mike, thanks for joining us today. Mike McCully: You're very welcome. Happy to be here. Ted Jacoby, III: Mike, where do we stand right now on tariffs, what is the Trump administration doing, and what do we expect them to do next? Mike McCully: Had a very different conversation just a week ago when it looked like we were going to start on February 1st with tariffs on Mexico and Canada and retaliation from both countries and then China. But then, 48 to 72 hours, all of it got put on hold. The China retaliation was not on dairy; Canada and Mexico were on hold, so we've basically put all that tariff discussion over in a box, and we're just going to sit and wait here for a while. It's evolving each day. I read something yesterday or the day before: "The best tariffs are ones that are not used." Hopefully, that's where things go, but we'll just have to wait and see. Between this and H5N1 are two very unpredictable elements that we have to deal with in the dairy market, not just this week and next week, but probably for quite some time. Ted Jacoby, III: I couldn't agree with you more on that one. Jake, are we expecting anything to happen next in terms of tariffs? Jacob Menge: I think something is happening as we speak. Trump talked this morning about, in his own words, reciprocal tariffs on unnamed countries. That is new as of this Friday. Trump and tariffs seem to have a cadence of news on Friday, which Wall Street really loves. That's certainly new. I heard him mention Japan, I think today. So that is just wreaking havoc on equity markets and our markets. It's this unknown. Markets just hate the unknown, and much of it is hanging out there. Ted Jacoby, III: Where we stand regarding tariffs, we've postponed putting tariffs on Mexico and Canada or any, let's call it additional tariffs, the 25% tariffs, we've delayed for about a month, the possible 25% tariffs on those countries.

What will shape the dairy industry in 2025? Are you ready for it? In this episode of The Milk Check, we tackle the big question: what's ahead for the dairy market in 2025? Spoiler alert: There's no shortage of opinions—or uncertainty.

Where is the global dairy industry headed? In this episode of The Milk Check, we're joined by Andy Powers, vice president of technical services at the American Dairy Products Institute (ADPI), alongside members of the Jacoby team, to explore the future of dairy. Together, we tackle emerging trends, market forces, and opportunities for dairy proteins, fats, and other dairy products in the next 5 to 10 years. Emerging trends: The role of GLP-1 drugs in driving future global demand Dairy vs. plant proteins: How the structure of dairy and plant proteins differ and what that means for nutrition and health The rise of butterfat: U.S. butterfat and the role of exports in future consumption Cheese's global opportunity: How cheese production is ramping up to meet international demand Dairy co-products: Innovations in whey protein, lactose, and milk protein isolates to address shifting market needs From health-conscious consumers to industrial applications, we examine how dairy is evolving to stay competitive. Plus, check out The ADPI 2023 ADPI Dairy Products Utilization & Production Trends report here and the ADPI Ingredient Resource Center here. Don't miss this comprehensive look at the future of dairy with insights from Andy and the Jacoby team, including Ted Jacoby, III, CEO & President, cheese, butter & dry ingredients; Josh White, vice president, dairy ingredients; Diego Carvallo, director of dry dairy ingredient trading, and Tristan Suellentrop, sales associate, Into (with music): Welcome to the Milk Check, a podcast from TC Jacob and Company, where we share market insights and analysis with dairy farmers in mind. Ted Jacoby, III (T3): Hello, everyone, and welcome to this month's episode of the Milk Check. Today, we are excited to have Andy Powers, vice president of technical services for the American Dairy Products Institute, joining us. Joining us as well, we have some of our usual suspects. Josh White, vice president of Dairy Ingredients, Diego Carvallo, our Director of International Sales for Dairy Ingredients, and Tristan Suellentrop, our sales associate and resident 20-something on our sales team. Guys, thank you, and Andy, excited to have you with us. Thanks for joining us. Our topic today is: what's the future of dairy? Where do we think demand is going to grow globally in the dairy industry? What are the components that this industry is going to see the greatest demand and opportunity for as we look out over the next 5 to 10 years? Andy, I'll start by saying we just recently had a five 10 year vision conversation within our organization, and one of the things that we spent a lot of time talking about was how dairy proteins, specifically as you look at the way the developing countries and the way their diets are changing and growing and developing when you look at the aging populations of many parts of the world when you look at the addition of medicines like Ozempic and Wegovy, protein is just going to become a bigger and a bigger part of the nutritional profile of what human beings eat. I've got two boys in their twenties, and they are much healthier eaters than I ever was when I was in my twenties. That means they're consuming a lot more dairy protein. Andy Powers: Right. T3: What are your thoughts, and where do you think dairy proteins fit in that space? Andy Powers: First and foremost, because I've worked for the American Dairy Products Institute, you're going to hear me talk about dairy. I drank the Kool-Aid a number of years ago. I believe in dairy's value proposition, and I believe in its strengths in terms of nutrient density and complete nutrition. You talked about some of the driving forces that are going to influence demand for dairy in the future. We've got population growth as the baseline talked about an aging population. I think that's significant. The ongoing current modernization or GDP growth meaning that people can transition from the mos...

Where is the global dairy industry headed? In this episode of The Milk Check, we're joined by Andy Powers, vice president of technical services at the American Dairy Products Institute (ADPI), alongside members of the Jacoby team, to explore the future of dairy. Together, we tackle emerging trends, market forces, and opportunities for dairy proteins, fats, and other dairy products in the next 5 to 10 years. Emerging trends: The role of GLP-1 drugs in driving future global demand Dairy vs. plant proteins: How the structure of dairy and plant proteins differ and what that means for nutrition and health The rise of butterfat: U.S. butterfat and the role of exports in future consumption Cheese's global opportunity: How cheese production is ramping up to meet international demand Dairy co-products: Innovations in whey protein, lactose, and milk protein isolates to address shifting market needs From health-conscious consumers to industrial applications, we examine how dairy is evolving to stay competitive. Plus, check out The ADPI 2023 ADPI Dairy Products Utilization & Production Trends report here and the ADPI Ingredient Resource Center here. Don't miss this comprehensive look at the future of dairy with insights from Andy and the Jacoby team, including Ted Jacoby, III, CEO & President, cheese, butter & dry ingredients; Josh White, vice president, dairy ingredients; Diego Carvallo, director of dry dairy ingredient trading, and Tristan Suellentrop, sales associate, Into (with music): Welcome to the Milk Check, a podcast from TC Jacob and Company, where we share market insights and analysis with dairy farmers in mind. Ted Jacoby, III (T3): Hello, everyone, and welcome to this month's episode of the Milk Check. Today, we are excited to have Andy Powers, vice president of technical services for the American Dairy Products Institute, joining us. Joining us as well, we have some of our usual suspects. Josh White, vice president of Dairy Ingredients, Diego Carvallo, our Director of International Sales for Dairy Ingredients, and Tristan Suellentrop, our sales associate and resident 20-something on our sales team. Guys, thank you, and Andy, excited to have you with us. Thanks for joining us. Our topic today is: what's the future of dairy? Where do we think demand is going to grow globally in the dairy industry? What are the components that this industry is going to see the greatest demand and opportunity for as we look out over the next 5 to 10 years? Andy, I'll start by saying we just recently had a five 10 year vision conversation within our organization, and one of the things that we spent a lot of time talking about was how dairy proteins, specifically as you look at the way the developing countries and the way their diets are changing and growing and developing when you look at the aging populations of many parts of the world when you look at the addition of medicines like Ozempic and Wegovy, protein is just going to become a bigger and a bigger part of the nutritional profile of what human beings eat. I've got two boys in their twenties, and they are much healthier eaters than I ever was when I was in my twenties. That means they're consuming a lot more dairy protein. Andy Powers: Right. T3: What are your thoughts, and where do you think dairy proteins fit in that space? Andy Powers: First and foremost, because I've worked for the American Dairy Products Institute, you're going to hear me talk about dairy. I drank the Kool-Aid a number of years ago. I believe in dairy's value proposition, and I believe in its strengths in terms of nutrient density and complete nutrition. You talked about some of the driving forces that are going to influence demand for dairy in the future. We've got population growth as the baseline talked about an aging population. I think that's significant. The ongoing current modernization or GDP growth meaning that people can transition from the most...

Today's dairy market is global. In our latest episode of The Milk Check, we dive into the New Zealand and Oceania markets to understand how they may impact the U.S. dairy market. Join Jacoby and our two special guests Jo Bills, ag market analyst and director of global Insights at Ever.Ag, and Steve Spencer, managing Director at Ever.Ag as we dive into dairy. Tight global supplies of skim milk powder and strong demand will likely keep prices high through 2025 New cheese plants in the U.S. market increase Class III supply and may drive cheese prices down and limit powder output, tightening global powder supply New Zealand enjoys tariff-free access to the Chinese market, but China's economic woes have reduced dairy demand Lower Chinese demand pushed New Zealand to focus on skim milk powder, butterfat, and cheese And lots more information on the global dairy market and our predictions 2025. We have a positive outlook for dairy in 2025, but cheese may be our wild card. Get the market scoop from the Jacoby team, including Ted Jacoby, III, CEO & President, Cheese, Butter & Dry Ingredients; Josh White, Vice President, Dairy Ingredients; and Diego Carvallo, Director of Dry Dairy Ingredient Trading. Intro (with music): Welcome to The Milk Check, a T.C. Jacoby & Company podcast where we share market insights and analysis with dairy farmers in mind. Ted Jacoby, III (T3) Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Milk Check. This month, we are excited to welcome special guests Joanne Bills and Steve Spencer from Freshagenda to share their thoughts on milk production and dairy demand in Asia, Oceania, and internationally for 2025. Joining us from the Jacoby team are Josh White and Diego Carvallo from our dairy ingredients team. Welcome, everybody, and thank you for joining us today. Steve Spencer: Thank you, Ted. It's great to be here. We enjoy these. We've done a few of these, so it's always good fun. T3: We're about to enter year two of China's tariff changes regarding New Zealand dairy products and how they are imported into China. For our audience, many of whom are dairy farmers here in the U.S., why don't you give us a quick overview of those changes? Then, we can discuss what that has meant for dairy markets in that region and how it affects dairy prices. Steve: In basic terms, New Zealand has tariff-free access to the Chinese market. That was preset for an extended period. They were on a slow rundown of tariffs over a long haul. A few years before that was due, they had a review, and it seemed to be that that was just a little period to push it out a bit longer, and that's in the rearview now. So, we're in a very tariff-free environment for New Zealand exports, which you'd think has freed them up to go wild. The only trouble is China's not a market that is allowing many people to go wild right now because that's come at the same time as China hitting a phase of the second wave after Covid; the second wave lockdowns were much harsher, much longer, much more damaging to the economy and so that's crippled demand for dairy in many parts of the market because spending, consumer spending has been depressed and many things are contributing to that right now and that's still a happening thing. So, that has freed New Zealand up to grow its share of the market in skim milk, powder, cheese, and butterfat and they've certainly done that at a time when the import volumes are a lot lower. So, we've got to sit back and look at the overall trends in China. We think they're just off the bottom regarding those import trends, but New Zealand has certainly picked up share, and their exports to China are falling. You could take the story of product by product because the products that China isn't producing or doesn't produce, skim milk, powder, butterfat, cheese, a small production of those, really the trade is probably following the pattern of demand we're seeing in that market.

Today's dairy market is global. In our latest episode of The Milk Check, we dive into the New Zealand and Oceania markets to understand how they may impact the U.S. dairy market. Join Jacoby and our two special guests Jo Bills, ag market analyst and director of global Insights at Ever.Ag, and Steve Spencer, managing Director at Ever.Ag as we dive into dairy. Tight global supplies of skim milk powder and strong demand will likely keep prices high through 2025 New cheese plants in the U.S. market increase Class III supply and may drive cheese prices down and limit powder output, tightening global powder supply New Zealand enjoys tariff-free access to the Chinese market, but China's economic woes have reduced dairy demand Lower Chinese demand pushed New Zealand to focus on skim milk powder, butterfat, and cheese And lots more information on the global dairy market and our predictions 2025. We have a positive outlook for dairy in 2025, but cheese may be our wild card. Get the market scoop from the Jacoby team, including Ted Jacoby, III, CEO & President, Cheese, Butter & Dry Ingredients; Josh White, Vice President, Dairy Ingredients; and Diego Carvallo, Director of Dry Dairy Ingredient Trading. Intro (with music): Welcome to The Milk Check, a T.C. Jacoby & Company podcast where we share market insights and analysis with dairy farmers in mind. Ted Jacoby, III (T3) Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Milk Check. This month, we are excited to welcome special guests Joanne Bills and Steve Spencer from Freshagenda to share their thoughts on milk production and dairy demand in Asia, Oceania, and internationally for 2025. Joining us from the Jacoby team are Josh White and Diego Carvallo from our dairy ingredients team. Welcome, everybody, and thank you for joining us today. Steve Spencer: Thank you, Ted. It's great to be here. We enjoy these. We've done a few of these, so it's always good fun. T3: We're about to enter year two of China's tariff changes regarding New Zealand dairy products and how they are imported into China. For our audience, many of whom are dairy farmers here in the U.S., why don't you give us a quick overview of those changes? Then, we can discuss what that has meant for dairy markets in that region and how it affects dairy prices. Steve: In basic terms, New Zealand has tariff-free access to the Chinese market. That was preset for an extended period. They were on a slow rundown of tariffs over a long haul. A few years before that was due, they had a review, and it seemed to be that that was just a little period to push it out a bit longer, and that's in the rearview now. So, we're in a very tariff-free environment for New Zealand exports, which you'd think has freed them up to go wild. The only trouble is China's not a market that is allowing many people to go wild right now because that's come at the same time as China hitting a phase of the second wave after Covid; the second wave lockdowns were much harsher, much longer, much more damaging to the economy and so that's crippled demand for dairy in many parts of the market because spending, consumer spending has been depressed and many things are contributing to that right now and that's still a happening thing. So, that has freed New Zealand up to grow its share of the market in skim milk, powder, cheese, and butterfat and they've certainly done that at a time when the import volumes are a lot lower. So, we've got to sit back and look at the overall trends in China. We think they're just off the bottom regarding those import trends, but New Zealand has certainly picked up share, and their exports to China are falling. You could take the story of product by product because the products that China isn't producing or doesn't produce, skim milk, powder, butterfat, cheese, a small production of those, really the trade is probably following the pattern of demand we're seeing in that market.

As summer fades, we're moving into peak demand season for the U.S. dairy market. Keep on top of shifting trends with The Milk Check. Guest host Josh White and a panel of industry experts discuss the latest trends and projections for U.S. dairy as we approach this critical period.

As summer fades, we're moving into peak demand season for the U.S. dairy market. Keep on top of shifting trends with The Milk Check. Guest host Josh White and a panel of industry experts discuss the latest trends and projections for U.S. dairy as we approach this critical period.

In today's episode of The Milk Check, we're joined by Tim the Dairy Farmer, a farmer, speaker and ag comedian. If you think dairy farming is no laughing matter, then you haven't met Tim. Tune in for a special episode of the podcast, where Tim and the Jacoby team discuss: Strong harvest likely leading to lower feed prices Could dairy heifer prices rival Black Angus prices in the near(ish) future? Could the milk price reach $30? Things you should never plan near the cow pasture Plus, learn how Tim got into the comedy biz and how he silences the hecklers. Don't miss this episode of The Milk Check with Tim the Dairy Farmer. Intro audio (with music): Welcome to the Milk Check, a TC Jacoby & Co podcast where we share market insights and analysis with dairy farmers in mind. Ted Jacoby II (T3): Welcome, everybody, to the Milk Check. This month we've got a very special episode, we have a special guest, Tim the Dairy Farmer is with us today. Tim is going to ask us what we think is going on with these dairy markets, and we're going to do our best to give him an answer, and we'll see where the conversation goes from there. Tim, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself? Tim the Dairy Farmer: I've been in the dairy business for 30-something years, taken my licks, started doing standup comedy as Tim the Dairy Farmer about 22 years ago, and I speak at agriculture events. I'm a standup comedian, I'm not a motivational speaker. I'm horrible at marketing myself there, Ted. So basically I'm a dairy farmer that does standup comedy, and they hire me to come to meetings, to wake up after guys like you talk. And here's another thing, this podcast is called the Milk Check, correct? T3: Yes. Tim: All right. This is how you know I'm a dairy farmer, y'all call it the Milk Check, I'm just happy my last milk check had a comma. T3: Well, that's why we call it the Milk Check, because we want to talk a little bit about markets and what's affected dairy farmers' milk checks. Hopefully most dairy farmers do have a comma right now because prices are halfway decent. But before we go to markets, Tim, I've got to ask, tell me about one of the most interesting agricultural events that you participated in. I'd love to hear a good story. Tim: Oh, man. I've got so many. It's not the good ones that you remember, it's the horrible ones. There's three shows, there's the one you planned to do, the one you do, and the one you wish on the drive home that you would have done. I've had all kinds of stuff go wrong. No, for the most part they're always fun. T3: All right. Josh White: So Tim, how often are you on the farm versus having to hit the road for comedy? Tim: I probably go off and do 30, 35 shows a year. Normally I fly out the night before and I'm back the day after. My brother's always been my biggest supporter, he covers while I'm gone. I couldn't have made it this far doing comedy without my brother's support, because we're partners in the dairy and he's always covered for me when I'm gone. T3: Where is the dairy located, Tim? Tim: Central Florida. We're actually over between Fort Myers and Tampa, where all the elderly people go to pass away, you take a right and that's where we're at. T3: When that hurricane came through Fort Myers last year, that affect you guys at all? Tim: No, it affected a few of my buddies. Nobody lost any cows, but barns were just crinkled up like aluminum foil and tossed around. I think over the years I've lost three barns to hurricanes. T3: Oh, really? Tim: Yeah. They tell you how it's rated for 80 mile an hour or whatever, and then when the tornado or the hurricane comes through it wads it up like a piece of paper and chucks it 100 yards. You're like, "Well, that wasn't rated right." Anyway. Go ahead, this is your podcast. T3: Tim, if you have a question to get the market discussion started, why don't you go ahead and shoot?

In today's episode of The Milk Check, we're joined by Tim the Dairy Farmer, a farmer, speaker and ag comedian. If you think dairy farming is no laughing matter, then you haven't met Tim. Tune in for a special episode of the podcast, where Tim and the Jacoby team discuss: Strong harvest likely leading to lower feed prices Could dairy heifer prices rival Black Angus prices in the near(ish) future? Could the milk price reach $30? Things you should never plan near the cow pasture Plus, learn how Tim got into the comedy biz and how he silences the hecklers. Don't miss this episode of The Milk Check with Tim the Dairy Farmer. Intro audio (with music): Welcome to the Milk Check, a TC Jacoby & Co podcast where we share market insights and analysis with dairy farmers in mind. Ted Jacoby II (T3): Welcome, everybody, to the Milk Check. This month we've got a very special episode, we have a special guest, Tim the Dairy Farmer is with us today. Tim is going to ask us what we think is going on with these dairy markets, and we're going to do our best to give him an answer, and we'll see where the conversation goes from there. Tim, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself? Tim the Dairy Farmer: I've been in the dairy business for 30-something years, taken my licks, started doing standup comedy as Tim the Dairy Farmer about 22 years ago, and I speak at agriculture events. I'm a standup comedian, I'm not a motivational speaker. I'm horrible at marketing myself there, Ted. So basically I'm a dairy farmer that does standup comedy, and they hire me to come to meetings, to wake up after guys like you talk. And here's another thing, this podcast is called the Milk Check, correct? T3: Yes. Tim: All right. This is how you know I'm a dairy farmer, y'all call it the Milk Check, I'm just happy my last milk check had a comma. T3: Well, that's why we call it the Milk Check, because we want to talk a little bit about markets and what's affected dairy farmers' milk checks. Hopefully most dairy farmers do have a comma right now because prices are halfway decent. But before we go to markets, Tim, I've got to ask, tell me about one of the most interesting agricultural events that you participated in. I'd love to hear a good story. Tim: Oh, man. I've got so many. It's not the good ones that you remember, it's the horrible ones. There's three shows, there's the one you planned to do, the one you do, and the one you wish on the drive home that you would have done. I've had all kinds of stuff go wrong. No, for the most part they're always fun. T3: All right. Josh White: So Tim, how often are you on the farm versus having to hit the road for comedy? Tim: I probably go off and do 30, 35 shows a year. Normally I fly out the night before and I'm back the day after. My brother's always been my biggest supporter, he covers while I'm gone. I couldn't have made it this far doing comedy without my brother's support, because we're partners in the dairy and he's always covered for me when I'm gone. T3: Where is the dairy located, Tim? Tim: Central Florida. We're actually over between Fort Myers and Tampa, where all the elderly people go to pass away, you take a right and that's where we're at. T3: When that hurricane came through Fort Myers last year, that affect you guys at all? Tim: No, it affected a few of my buddies. Nobody lost any cows, but barns were just crinkled up like aluminum foil and tossed around. I think over the years I've lost three barns to hurricanes. T3: Oh, really? Tim: Yeah. They tell you how it's rated for 80 mile an hour or whatever, and then when the tornado or the hurricane comes through it wads it up like a piece of paper and chucks it 100 yards. You're like, "Well, that wasn't rated right." Anyway. Go ahead, this is your podcast. T3: Tim, if you have a question to get the market discussion started, why don't you go ahead and shoot?

Today, we share Part 2 of a special two-part episode celebrating TC Jacoby & Co's 75th anniversary. We'll talk about the milk industry from the '90s to the dairy world of the future. Join Ted Jacoby II, Gus Jacoby, and Ted Jacoby III for the conclusion of our special 2-part episode as we discuss: The first TC Jacoby & Co. cheese desk Our projection for future growth in U.S. cheese exports Our forecast for the future of the global dairy industry We love the dairy industry and look forward to what the future will bring. So, raise your glass of milk, and let's celebrate TC Jacoby's 75 wonderful years in the U.S. dairy industry. Intro audio (with music): Welcome to the Milk Check, a TC Jacoby & Co podcast where we share market insights and analysis with dairy farmers in mind. Ted Jacoby III (T3): Hello, everyone, and welcome to The Milk Check. Today, we have a special edition of our monthly podcast because this year, 2024, TC Jacoby & Co celebrates 75 years of serving the dairy industry. In honor of this special anniversary, we are publishing a two-episode edition where, in the first part, my father, my brother Gus, and I discuss and – in my father's case – tell tales of the first 50 years of our history. In part two, we share the more recent 25 years as well as our thoughts on what the future of the industry may hold. Welcome to part two. There are a lot of other things that were going on in the 90s. I mean, that all started in the 90s. We started our office in Mexico in the 90s. When I came to work for TC Jacoby & Co. in 1996, I spent about four or five months in St. Louis, and then I moved down to Mexico to help us start that office. That was quite the experience, living for a year in Mexico. Ironically, trying to move cheese to Mexico led me back to the States, and starting to sell it in the States. Eventually, I worked with risk management. At the time, we were moving nonfat dry milk into Mexico. We had a company in Mexico then, so we were TC Jacoby & Co in the U.S. selling to TC Jacoby & Co in Mexico. We were warehousing the product in a warehouse in Mexico, selling whey powder, nonfat dry milk, and various other powders to multiple distributors in the area, but then also moving a little bit of cheese. I had one of my suppliers, the cheddar cheese, cancel on me, and so I was calling around looking for cheddar cheese, and another supplier said, “Not only do I have a load of cheddar for you to ship to Mexico, but I also have about 50 other loads of cheese. You should call the guy who canceled on you and see if he needs any extra.” Next thing I know, I'm moving more cheese back and forth in the U.S. than I'm moving to Mexico. And that was when I called you and said, “Dad, I think I'm going to move back to the States, and I'm going to start up a cheese desk.” That was in 1997, and that's how we started trading cheese. We went through the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s, and just about everything you, Uncle Bill, and Uncle Tom moved was mainly fluid. Then, in the 90s, we started moving powder. Bill, I think in the 80s, had begun moving powder and butter in the U.S. Ted Jacoby II (T2): Billy used to move a lot of cream from California to the Midwest. Gus Jacoby: Well, remember that was a big time for us because his development of California and the cost to move fluid product at that time was economically feasible in making cream and condensed products supplied by the California Central Valley and delivered on an annualized contractual basis to places as far as the upper Midwest and even into the Mideastern U.S. at time. Understanding the CDFA and the arbitrage between that and the Federal Orders was another thing we took advantage of for a few decades. So that was a big and successful time for us from a trading standpoint of fluid products. T3: And then he was moving non-fat to many of the mozzarella guys in the Midwest when the mozzarella industry was in its infancy; that was when ...

Today, we share Part 2 of a special two-part episode celebrating TC Jacoby & Co's 75th anniversary. We'll talk about the milk industry from the '90s to the dairy world of the future. Join Ted Jacoby II, Gus Jacoby, and Ted Jacoby III for the conclusion of our special 2-part episode as we discuss: The first TC Jacoby & Co. cheese desk Our projection for future growth in U.S. cheese exports Our forecast for the future of the global dairy industry We love the dairy industry and look forward to what the future will bring. So, raise your glass of milk, and let's celebrate TC Jacoby's 75 wonderful years in the U.S. dairy industry. Intro audio (with music): Welcome to the Milk Check, a TC Jacoby & Co podcast where we share market insights and analysis with dairy farmers in mind. Ted Jacoby III (T3): Hello, everyone, and welcome to The Milk Check. Today, we have a special edition of our monthly podcast because this year, 2024, TC Jacoby & Co celebrates 75 years of serving the dairy industry. In honor of this special anniversary, we are publishing a two-episode edition where, in the first part, my father, my brother Gus, and I discuss and – in my father's case – tell tales of the first 50 years of our history. In part two, we share the more recent 25 years as well as our thoughts on what the future of the industry may hold. Welcome to part two. There are a lot of other things that were going on in the 90s. I mean, that all started in the 90s. We started our office in Mexico in the 90s. When I came to work for TC Jacoby & Co. in 1996, I spent about four or five months in St. Louis, and then I moved down to Mexico to help us start that office. That was quite the experience, living for a year in Mexico. Ironically, trying to move cheese to Mexico led me back to the States, and starting to sell it in the States. Eventually, I worked with risk management. At the time, we were moving nonfat dry milk into Mexico. We had a company in Mexico then, so we were TC Jacoby & Co in the U.S. selling to TC Jacoby & Co in Mexico. We were warehousing the product in a warehouse in Mexico, selling whey powder, nonfat dry milk, and various other powders to multiple distributors in the area, but then also moving a little bit of cheese. I had one of my suppliers, the cheddar cheese, cancel on me, and so I was calling around looking for cheddar cheese, and another supplier said, “Not only do I have a load of cheddar for you to ship to Mexico, but I also have about 50 other loads of cheese. You should call the guy who canceled on you and see if he needs any extra.” Next thing I know, I'm moving more cheese back and forth in the U.S. than I'm moving to Mexico. And that was when I called you and said, “Dad, I think I'm going to move back to the States, and I'm going to start up a cheese desk.” That was in 1997, and that's how we started trading cheese. We went through the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s, and just about everything you, Uncle Bill, and Uncle Tom moved was mainly fluid. Then, in the 90s, we started moving powder. Bill, I think in the 80s, had begun moving powder and butter in the U.S. Ted Jacoby II (T2): Billy used to move a lot of cream from California to the Midwest. Gus Jacoby: Well, remember that was a big time for us because his development of California and the cost to move fluid product at that time was economically feasible in making cream and condensed products supplied by the California Central Valley and delivered on an annualized contractual basis to places as far as the upper Midwest and even into the Mideastern U.S. at time. Understanding the CDFA and the arbitrage between that and the Federal Orders was another thing we took advantage of for a few decades. So that was a big and successful time for us from a trading standpoint of fluid products. T3: And then he was moving non-fat to many of the mozzarella guys in the Midwest when the mozzarella industry was in its infancy; that was when ...

A lot has changed in the dairy industry in the 75 years since Ted Jacoby, Sr. founded TC Jacoby & Company in 1949. Today, we share Part 1 of a special two-part episode celebrating TC Jacoby & Co's 75 wonderful years in the U.S. dairy industry. From picking up 10-gallon milk cans on the farm in the 40s to shipping internationally, we've come a long way. Join Ted Jacoby II, Gus Jacoby, and Ted Jacoby III for part 1 of a special 2-part episode as we discuss: How tank trucks fundamentally changed the U.S. milk supply Consolidation in the dairy industry When computers came for milk Plus, Ted Jacoby II shares his eyewitness account of the introduction of ultrafiltration (UF) milk. It all began with a coffee break. Join us for a walk down the milk memory lane in our 75th-anniversary episode, Part 1: Dive into our history. Ted Jacoby III (T3): Welcome and enjoy the show. Episode Intro: Welcome to the Milk Check, a podcast from TC Jacob and Company, where we share market insights and analysis with dairy farmers in mind. T3: Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Mouth Check. Today, we have a special edition of our monthly podcast because this year, 2024, TC Jacob and Company celebrates 75 years of servicing the dairy industry. In honor of this special anniversary, we are publishing a two-episode edition where, in the first part, my father, my brother Gus, and I discuss and, in my father's case, share tales of the first 50 years of our history. In part two, we share the more recent 25 years of our history and our thoughts on the future of this great industry we work in. Dad, I'll ask you: when Grandpa started the company in 1949, we still picked up milk in 10-gallon milk cans on the farm. So what was it like those first 10, 15 years of the company Ted Jacoby II (T2): When my dad, your grandfather, got out of the Navy in 1945, I think he and two other fellas bought a dairy in Highland, Illinois, and you're right, they had milk coming into that dairy in cans. He and his partners operated that dairy for a couple of years. They sold the dairy to Midwest dairies. Midwest Dairies was then taken over by a company called City Corp. And City Corp, and Midwest Dairies had consolidated almost all the dairies in southern Illinois. All these dairies were consolidated, then spun off to Prairie Farms, and Fletcher Gorley took over Prairie Farms and turned them into one of the premier co-ops in the United States. After they sold the dairy, he booked office space in St. Louis on the ninth floor of what was the commerce building. So he would act as a broker of barrels of this and drums of that and set up shop as a middleman for mostly dairy ingredients. There was a relationship that developed between us and Prairie Farms that has extended over all these years. We know each other quite well. The relationship has been strong for a long, long time. In the 40 years between the sixties and the nineties, pardon me, 30 years, you had several things occur. First of all, the consolidation people were picking up milk and bringing it to receiving stations, and then you could go from the receiving station to your regular market, or you could go somewhere else. There were receiving stations, called bump overs, which would consolidate the milk from many small farms and put it in a position to take it somewhere. You didn't have any dairies that shipped truckload quantities in the nineties in the Midwest. And then gradually, over that period of 30 years, you had large dairies that shipped truckload quantities, and that all occurred in the nineties and two thousand. T3: Once those bulk tank trucks became common, when we started seeing milk move to the southeast in the fall when milk got tight, T2: When tank trucks came in, it was about 1953 to 55, somewhere in that area, and the tank trucks were relatively small. 3,500 gallons was a big truck in those days, and when it became practical to move milk,

A lot has changed in the dairy industry in the 75 years since Ted Jacoby, Sr. founded TC Jacoby & Company in 1949. Today, we share Part 1 of a special two-part episode celebrating TC Jacoby & Co's 75 wonderful years in the U.S. dairy industry. From picking up 10-gallon milk cans on the farm in the 40s to shipping internationally, we've come a long way. Join Ted Jacoby II, Gus Jacoby, and Ted Jacoby III for part 1 of a special 2-part episode as we discuss: How tank trucks fundamentally changed the U.S. milk supply Consolidation in the dairy industry When computers came for milk Plus, Ted Jacoby II shares his eyewitness account of the introduction of ultrafiltration (UF) milk. It all began with a coffee break. Join us for a walk down the milk memory lane in our 75th-anniversary episode, Part 1: Dive into our history. Ted Jacoby III (T3): Welcome and enjoy the show. Episode Intro: Welcome to the Milk Check, a podcast from TC Jacob and Company, where we share market insights and analysis with dairy farmers in mind. T3: Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Mouth Check. Today, we have a special edition of our monthly podcast because this year, 2024, TC Jacob and Company celebrates 75 years of servicing the dairy industry. In honor of this special anniversary, we are publishing a two-episode edition where, in the first part, my father, my brother Gus, and I discuss and, in my father's case, share tales of the first 50 years of our history. In part two, we share the more recent 25 years of our history and our thoughts on the future of this great industry we work in. Dad, I'll ask you: when Grandpa started the company in 1949, we still picked up milk in 10-gallon milk cans on the farm. So what was it like those first 10, 15 years of the company Ted Jacoby II (T2): When my dad, your grandfather, got out of the Navy in 1945, I think he and two other fellas bought a dairy in Highland, Illinois, and you're right, they had milk coming into that dairy in cans. He and his partners operated that dairy for a couple of years. They sold the dairy to Midwest dairies. Midwest Dairies was then taken over by a company called City Corp. And City Corp, and Midwest Dairies had consolidated almost all the dairies in southern Illinois. All these dairies were consolidated, then spun off to Prairie Farms, and Fletcher Gorley took over Prairie Farms and turned them into one of the premier co-ops in the United States. After they sold the dairy, he booked office space in St. Louis on the ninth floor of what was the commerce building. So he would act as a broker of barrels of this and drums of that and set up shop as a middleman for mostly dairy ingredients. There was a relationship that developed between us and Prairie Farms that has extended over all these years. We know each other quite well. The relationship has been strong for a long, long time. In the 40 years between the sixties and the nineties, pardon me, 30 years, you had several things occur. First of all, the consolidation people were picking up milk and bringing it to receiving stations, and then you could go from the receiving station to your regular market, or you could go somewhere else. There were receiving stations, called bump overs, which would consolidate the milk from many small farms and put it in a position to take it somewhere. You didn't have any dairies that shipped truckload quantities in the nineties in the Midwest. And then gradually, over that period of 30 years, you had large dairies that shipped truckload quantities, and that all occurred in the nineties and two thousand. T3: Once those bulk tank trucks became common, when we started seeing milk move to the southeast in the fall when milk got tight, T2: When tank trucks came in, it was about 1953 to 55, somewhere in that area, and the tank trucks were relatively small. 3,500 gallons was a big truck in those days, and when it became practical to move milk,

The 2024 ADPI/ABI Annual Conference starts next week and will likely move the dairy markets. What does Jacoby predict for dairy production and demand for 2024? Join Ted Jacoby III and our guests Jacob Menge, Vice President of Risk Management and Trade Strategy; Joshua White, Vice President of Dairy Ingredients; Diego Carvallo, Director of Dry Dairy Ingredient Trading; Gus Jacoby, President of Fluid Dairy Ingredients and Dairy Support; Joe Maixner, National Sales Manager of Dairy Ingredients; and Ted Jacoby Jr. We discuss: Jacoby's predictions vs. results for 2024 YTD Factors impacting prices for Q3 and Q4 Continued downward pressure on milk production and lackluster fluid milk demand The impact of the Avian Flu on dairy production Plus, is whey the new canary in the coal mine? Find out more on today's episode of The Milk Check. Ted Jacoby III (T3): Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Milk Check. It's April 22nd, a week before the ADPI meeting in Chicago. And I thought this timing would be right for us to have a market discussion going into an annual conference that does have a tendency to be a bit of a market mover. Today with me, I have Jacob Menge, our head of trading strategy and risk management, Joshua White, head of our dairy ingredients group, Diego Carvallo, our head trader for non-fat, dry milk and other dairy powders, Gus Jacoby, head of our... President of our fluid division, milk cream, UF milk. Joe Maixner, head of our butter trading, and my dad, of course, joining us to give his thoughts on these markets. Welcome, everybody, and let's get to it. I was looking at our markets this morning, getting ready for this podcast and I kept asking myself the question, where did we think we'd be this week when we started the first week in January. And I don't think in any of our markets we really were thinking that we'd be dealing with what we're dealing with right now. So, I think, maybe, what we'll do is we'll start with cheese. Jake, when we were entering the year, if I remember correctly, we were pretty bearish the cheese market, and if we were talking about what we thought the second quarter was going to bring in cheese, I didn't think it was a market that was going to be up 8 cents today and in the seventies, and probably, going higher over the rest of the week. So, what do you think is going on in cheese, and compare and contrast what we thought would happen at the beginning of the year and what we're seeing right now? Jacob Menge: I would say cheese has probably been the most in line with our expectations of all our commodities from where we started the year. We were bearish, and I would argue we saw that bearishness, right? I mean, we were in the 140s for a while in both blocks and barrels, and so, I think, yeah, we've seen a pretty good push the past week or two. But otherwise, I think cheese, more or less, went in line with what we expected. Demand's been off a little bit. We've seen exports numbers are starting to look pretty good, but in general, sluggish has been what it's felt like for most of the year up until the past few weeks. I'd say cheese kind of went along with what we expected, and it's been this cycle that we've seen for about a year now, right? We get a good push higher. Last year in July, we saw a pretty good push up into, I think, the upper 180s, and then, we seemed to kind of kill demand [inaudible 00:02:57] we've been getting to those levels. And then, we've fallen into the 130s, 140s, low 150s, that generates some more demand, and we yo-yo from there. So, yeah, I wouldn't say anything too crazy from expectations on the cheese side. Joshua White: You asked at the beginning of the year, would we have expected prices in our market conditions to be where they're at now on April 22nd? And I just did a quick look back right when you asked that, just to see what our commercial meeting notes and what our dialog and discussion are.

The 2024 ADPI/ABI Annual Conference starts next week and will likely move the dairy markets. What does Jacoby predict for dairy production and demand for 2024? Join Ted Jacoby III and our guests Jacob Menge, Vice President of Risk Management and Trade Strategy; Joshua White, Vice President of Dairy Ingredients; Diego Carvallo, Director of Dry Dairy Ingredient Trading; Gus Jacoby, President of Fluid Dairy Ingredients and Dairy Support; Joe Maixner, National Sales Manager of Dairy Ingredients; and Ted Jacoby Jr. We discuss: Jacoby's predictions vs. results for 2024 YTD Factors impacting prices for Q3 and Q4 Continued downward pressure on milk production and lackluster fluid milk demand The impact of the Avian Flu on dairy production Plus, is whey the new canary in the coal mine? Find out more on today's episode of The Milk Check. Ted Jacoby III (T3): Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Milk Check. It's April 22nd, a week before the ADPI meeting in Chicago. And I thought this timing would be right for us to have a market discussion going into an annual conference that does have a tendency to be a bit of a market mover. Today with me, I have Jacob Menge, our head of trading strategy and risk management, Joshua White, head of our dairy ingredients group, Diego Carvallo, our head trader for non-fat, dry milk and other dairy powders, Gus Jacoby, head of our... President of our fluid division, milk cream, UF milk. Joe Maixner, head of our butter trading, and my dad, of course, joining us to give his thoughts on these markets. Welcome, everybody, and let's get to it. I was looking at our markets this morning, getting ready for this podcast and I kept asking myself the question, where did we think we'd be this week when we started the first week in January. And I don't think in any of our markets we really were thinking that we'd be dealing with what we're dealing with right now. So, I think, maybe, what we'll do is we'll start with cheese. Jake, when we were entering the year, if I remember correctly, we were pretty bearish the cheese market, and if we were talking about what we thought the second quarter was going to bring in cheese, I didn't think it was a market that was going to be up 8 cents today and in the seventies, and probably, going higher over the rest of the week. So, what do you think is going on in cheese, and compare and contrast what we thought would happen at the beginning of the year and what we're seeing right now? Jacob Menge: I would say cheese has probably been the most in line with our expectations of all our commodities from where we started the year. We were bearish, and I would argue we saw that bearishness, right? I mean, we were in the 140s for a while in both blocks and barrels, and so, I think, yeah, we've seen a pretty good push the past week or two. But otherwise, I think cheese, more or less, went in line with what we expected. Demand's been off a little bit. We've seen exports numbers are starting to look pretty good, but in general, sluggish has been what it's felt like for most of the year up until the past few weeks. I'd say cheese kind of went along with what we expected, and it's been this cycle that we've seen for about a year now, right? We get a good push higher. Last year in July, we saw a pretty good push up into, I think, the upper 180s, and then, we seemed to kind of kill demand [inaudible 00:02:57] we've been getting to those levels. And then, we've fallen into the 130s, 140s, low 150s, that generates some more demand, and we yo-yo from there. So, yeah, I wouldn't say anything too crazy from expectations on the cheese side. Joshua White: You asked at the beginning of the year, would we have expected prices in our market conditions to be where they're at now on April 22nd? And I just did a quick look back right when you asked that, just to see what our commercial meeting notes and what our dialog and discussion are.

This is the first podcast episode in our quarterly Understanding Export series. Today's special guest is Fernando Anaya, Director General at DILAC. DILAC offers powdered dairy products and has a 27-year track record within the Mexican dairy industry. Our Jacoby team includes Ted Jacoby, President; Yara Morales, Director of Sales for Mexico and Latin America; and Diego Carvallo, Director of Dry Dairy Ingredient Trading at T.C. Jacoby and Company, Inc. Today's episode discusses the Mexican consumer market for dairy products. Fernando shares his take on how drought, exchange rates, and political waves will affect Mexico's milk importers in 2024. How has the extreme drought in Mexico impacted domestic milk and cheese production and consumer demand? Inflation has increased dairy prices, but could a strong peso offset this challenge for Mexican importers? The Mexican government, one of the largest Mexican milk powder importers, announced that it will not import any milk powder this year. How will this big player impact the Mexican milk import market? Mexican presidential elections take place this summer. Is this likely to affect milk imports? This plus what importers should know about changes in milk import procedures and Fernando's opinion on the most important factor for milk imports in Mexico—dive in with us on today's Milk Check. T3: Welcome to this month's episode of The Milk Check. I'm Ted Jacoby, president of T.C. Jacoby & Company. Today, we are joined by Yara Morales, sales director for Mexico and Latin America; Diego Carvallo, dairy ingredient trading director; and special guest Fernando Anaya, director general for DLAC. DLAC is a very good customer of ours in Mexico, and we're excited to have him. Fernando, welcome, and thank you for joining us today. Fernando Anaya: Ted, thanks for the invitation. I'm really glad to be with you and your team. T3: This episode will be released in Spanish and English, the first in our Understanding Export series, which we will publish quarterly. Today, my first question, Fernando, to you, is when we think about the Mexican dairy market and how much dairy Mexico imports, what is the number one thing exporters to Mexico must understand about the Mexican consumer? Obviously, one of them is price, but beyond price, what's important to the consumer in Mexico? Fernando: Okay. Well, Ted, I think that's a really good question. Well, just to have a rough number of the imports into Mexico, I will say that 15% of our needs have to be imported every year, and that really is not changing a lot. I think that's the same number from maybe ten years into now. So, what do the exporters have to be aware of to be in the Mexican market? The number one for sure will be price, the second will be price, and the third will be price. So that's something that I guess you can agree on that. Of course, Mexican customers will always look to have a better price, but again, it's not the only thing they are looking for. There are some things that the exporter has to be aware of, and one of them will be regulations. For the past two or three years, Mexico has been entering into new regulations. For example, for non-fat, there's this new regulation, the NOM-222, and I know there have been a lot of challenges for the exporters because they must be sure they will be ready to fulfill this regulation. It's not that hard, but again, that's something that the exporters, mainly in the US, had to make some changes in their COAs, registering some labs to fulfill these regulations. So again, that's something that the exporters into Mexico must be aware of. The other thing is logistics. The way that Mexican customers purchase mainly non-fat food is changing. Right now, the Mexicans are looking for the product to be available in the customs agent warehouses. Why? Because it's very quick to get the product into Mexico. Let's think maybe ten years ago,

This is the first podcast episode in our quarterly Understanding Export series. Today's special guest is Fernando Anaya, Director General at DILAC. DILAC offers powdered dairy products and has a 27-year track record within the Mexican dairy industry. Our Jacoby team includes Ted Jacoby, President; Yara Morales, Director of Sales for Mexico and Latin America; and Diego Carvallo, Director of Dry Dairy Ingredient Trading at T.C. Jacoby and Company, Inc. Today's episode discusses the Mexican consumer market for dairy products. Fernando shares his take on how drought, exchange rates, and political waves will affect Mexico's milk importers in 2024. How has the extreme drought in Mexico impacted domestic milk and cheese production and consumer demand? Inflation has increased dairy prices, but could a strong peso offset this challenge for Mexican importers? The Mexican government, one of the largest Mexican milk powder importers, announced that it will not import any milk powder this year. How will this big player impact the Mexican milk import market? Mexican presidential elections take place this summer. Is this likely to affect milk imports? This plus what importers should know about changes in milk import procedures and Fernando's opinion on the most important factor for milk imports in Mexico—dive in with us on today's Milk Check. T3: Welcome to this month's episode of The Milk Check. I'm Ted Jacoby, president of T.C. Jacoby & Company. Today, we are joined by Yara Morales, sales director for Mexico and Latin America; Diego Carvallo, dairy ingredient trading director; and special guest Fernando Anaya, director general for DLAC. DLAC is a very good customer of ours in Mexico, and we're excited to have him. Fernando, welcome, and thank you for joining us today. Fernando Anaya: Ted, thanks for the invitation. I'm really glad to be with you and your team. T3: This episode will be released in Spanish and English, the first in our Understanding Export series, which we will publish quarterly. Today, my first question, Fernando, to you, is when we think about the Mexican dairy market and how much dairy Mexico imports, what is the number one thing exporters to Mexico must understand about the Mexican consumer? Obviously, one of them is price, but beyond price, what's important to the consumer in Mexico? Fernando: Okay. Well, Ted, I think that's a really good question. Well, just to have a rough number of the imports into Mexico, I will say that 15% of our needs have to be imported every year, and that really is not changing a lot. I think that's the same number from maybe ten years into now. So, what do the exporters have to be aware of to be in the Mexican market? The number one for sure will be price, the second will be price, and the third will be price. So that's something that I guess you can agree on that. Of course, Mexican customers will always look to have a better price, but again, it's not the only thing they are looking for. There are some things that the exporter has to be aware of, and one of them will be regulations. For the past two or three years, Mexico has been entering into new regulations. For example, for non-fat, there's this new regulation, the NOM-222, and I know there have been a lot of challenges for the exporters because they must be sure they will be ready to fulfill this regulation. It's not that hard, but again, that's something that the exporters, mainly in the US, had to make some changes in their COAs, registering some labs to fulfill these regulations. So again, that's something that the exporters into Mexico must be aware of. The other thing is logistics. The way that Mexican customers purchase mainly non-fat food is changing. Right now, the Mexicans are looking for the product to be available in the customs agent warehouses. Why? Because it's very quick to get the product into Mexico. Let's think maybe ten years ago,

Este es el primer episodio de nuestro serie trimestral Entendiendo Exportaciones. El invitado especial de hoy es Fernando Anaya, Director General en DILAC. DILAC ofrece productos lácteos en polvo y tiene un historial de 27 años dentro de la industria láctea mexicana. Nuestro equipo de Jacoby incluye a Ted Jacoby, Presidente; Yara Morales, Directora de Ventas para México y América Latina; y Diego Carvallo, Director de Comercio de Ingredientes Lácteos en T.C. Jacoby and Company, Inc. En el episodio de hoy se discute el mercado consumidor mexicano de productos lácteos. Fernando comparte su perspectiva sobre cómo la sequía, los tipos de cambio y las corrientes políticas afectarán a los importadores de leche en México en 2024. ¿Cómo ha impactado la sequía extrema en México la producción nacional de leche y queso y la demanda del consumidor? La inflación ha aumentado los precios lácteos, ¿pero podría un peso fuerte compensar este desafío para los importadores mexicanos? El gobierno mexicano, uno de los mayores importadores de leche en polvo de México, anunció que no importará leche en polvo este año. ¿Cómo afectará este gran jugador al mercado de importación de leche mexicana? Las elecciones presidenciales mexicanas se llevarán a cabo este verano. ¿Es probable que esto afecte las importaciones de leche? Además de lo anterior, lo que los importadores deben saber sobre los cambios en los procedimientos de importación de leche y la opinión de Fernando sobre el factor más importante para las importaciones de leche en México; sumérgete con nosotros en el Milk Check de hoy.

Este es el primer episodio de nuestro serie trimestral Entendiendo Exportaciones. El invitado especial de hoy es Fernando Anaya, Director General en DILAC. DILAC ofrece productos lácteos en polvo y tiene un historial de 27 años dentro de la industria láctea mexicana. Nuestro equipo de Jacoby incluye a Ted Jacoby, Presidente; Yara Morales, Directora de Ventas para México y América Latina; y Diego Carvallo, Director de Comercio de Ingredientes Lácteos en T.C. Jacoby and Company, Inc. En el episodio de hoy se discute el mercado consumidor mexicano de productos lácteos. Fernando comparte su perspectiva sobre cómo la sequía, los tipos de cambio y las corrientes políticas afectarán a los importadores de leche en México en 2024. ¿Cómo ha impactado la sequía extrema en México la producción nacional de leche y queso y la demanda del consumidor? La inflación ha aumentado los precios lácteos, ¿pero podría un peso fuerte compensar este desafío para los importadores mexicanos? El gobierno mexicano, uno de los mayores importadores de leche en polvo de México, anunció que no importará leche en polvo este año. ¿Cómo afectará este gran jugador al mercado de importación de leche mexicana? Las elecciones presidenciales mexicanas se llevarán a cabo este verano. ¿Es probable que esto afecte las importaciones de leche? Además de lo anterior, lo que los importadores deben saber sobre los cambios en los procedimientos de importación de leche y la opinión de Fernando sobre el factor más importante para las importaciones de leche en México; sumérgete con nosotros en el Milk Check de hoy.

The T.C. Jacoby team got together to talk about a two-part phenomenon that we're expecting to wrinkle the dairy markets over the course of the next year or two. 2023 through '25, plant capacity expansions total 9% of all milk production. But heifers are short, milk production was flat in 2023 and we expect it to be flat (or close to it) in 2024. So who will be left out, short on milk? Or will dairies pull off a production miracle? Director of Milk Marketing Greg Scheer, “Semi-retired member of the board” Don Street, Dairy Ingredients Vice President Josh White and Dairy Ingredients Sales Associate Tristan Suellentrop join Ted and his dad to speculate on how these issues will resolve over 2024 and 2025. From high level discussions of price and premiums to granular conversation about regional dynamics and potential changes to the direction of milk flow in the U.S., the team covered a lot of ground in 20-ish minutes. Give it a listen, and let us know what you think. T3: Welcome everybody to this month's edition of The Milk Check. Today, I am joined by Greg Scheer, our director of milk marketing, Don Street, longtime dairy trader and industry veteran, Josh White, head of our whey and dairy ingredients group, my dad, another industry veteran, and then Tristan Suellentrop, who is part of Josh White's team and also part of our marketing. So today we are going to try to answer a very interesting question, which is is the dairy industry about to embark on a very expensive game of musical chairs? Let me tell you what I'm thinking. Two seemingly unrelated issues are starting to feed through the dairy industry. The first one is the fact that we've got a heifer supply shortage because since the pandemic, beef prices have been so strong that people have been breeding dairy cows to beef cows because the value of a beef calf has been a lot higher than the value of a dairy calf. This has created a heifer shortage where we just don't have enough heifers entering the milk supply right now, and it's going to be very, very difficult for the US dairy industry to expand milk production because we don't have the heifers to do so. And think of it this way, if you make the decision today to breed to have a beef calf, you've got nine months of pregnancy, then you've got over two years of growth before that heifer can enter the milk supply, which means you have almost three years before you can change the dynamic that has already started. And everybody we're talking to today says dairy farmers, most of them, many of them are still breeding for beef calves and so this heifer supply shortage is not going away anytime soon. So that's one side of the coin. On the other side of the coin, there is a lot of plant expansion going on right now. In fact so much that since the beginning of 2023 through 2025, that three year period, we are building enough additional plant capacity to equal about 9% of the total milk production in the United States. And given the fact that we're already done with 2023 and milk production was basically flat in 2023, it's hard for me to imagine, given the heifer shortage, that we're going to be able to increase milk production by 4.5% a year over the next two years. In fact, our experts, and we'll let them talk about it, are saying that we think '24 is going to be flat as well. So what's going to happen? All these new plants, how are we going to fill them? Where's the milk going to come from when we aren't going to have the additional cows to fill these plants? I'll tell you what, Don, I'll start with you. What do you think is going to happen? How are we going to deal with this issue? Don: First of all, one can always count on delays in plant construction so that the time arising gets pushed back a bit. It never fails, right? So maybe that takes a bit off of the leading edge, but it doesn't really answer the question. I think if profitability is there for the dairy producers that you could ...

The T.C. Jacoby team got together to talk about a two-part phenomenon that we're expecting to wrinkle the dairy markets over the course of the next year or two. 2023 through '25, plant capacity expansions total 9% of all milk production. But heifers are short, milk production was flat in 2023 and we expect it to be flat (or close to it) in 2024. So who will be left out, short on milk? Or will dairies pull off a production miracle? Director of Milk Marketing Greg Scheer, “Semi-retired member of the board” Don Street, Dairy Ingredients Vice President Josh White and Dairy Ingredients Sales Associate Tristan Suellentrop join Ted and his dad to speculate on how these issues will resolve over 2024 and 2025. From high level discussions of price and premiums to granular conversation about regional dynamics and potential changes to the direction of milk flow in the U.S., the team covered a lot of ground in 20-ish minutes. Give it a listen, and let us know what you think. T3: Welcome everybody to this month's edition of The Milk Check. Today, I am joined by Greg Scheer, our director of milk marketing, Don Street, longtime dairy trader and industry veteran, Josh White, head of our whey and dairy ingredients group, my dad, another industry veteran, and then Tristan Suellentrop, who is part of Josh White's team and also part of our marketing. So today we are going to try to answer a very interesting question, which is is the dairy industry about to embark on a very expensive game of musical chairs? Let me tell you what I'm thinking. Two seemingly unrelated issues are starting to feed through the dairy industry. The first one is the fact that we've got a heifer supply shortage because since the pandemic, beef prices have been so strong that people have been breeding dairy cows to beef cows because the value of a beef calf has been a lot higher than the value of a dairy calf. This has created a heifer shortage where we just don't have enough heifers entering the milk supply right now, and it's going to be very, very difficult for the US dairy industry to expand milk production because we don't have the heifers to do so. And think of it this way, if you make the decision today to breed to have a beef calf, you've got nine months of pregnancy, then you've got over two years of growth before that heifer can enter the milk supply, which means you have almost three years before you can change the dynamic that has already started. And everybody we're talking to today says dairy farmers, most of them, many of them are still breeding for beef calves and so this heifer supply shortage is not going away anytime soon. So that's one side of the coin. On the other side of the coin, there is a lot of plant expansion going on right now. In fact so much that since the beginning of 2023 through 2025, that three year period, we are building enough additional plant capacity to equal about 9% of the total milk production in the United States. And given the fact that we're already done with 2023 and milk production was basically flat in 2023, it's hard for me to imagine, given the heifer shortage, that we're going to be able to increase milk production by 4.5% a year over the next two years. In fact, our experts, and we'll let them talk about it, are saying that we think '24 is going to be flat as well. So what's going to happen? All these new plants, how are we going to fill them? Where's the milk going to come from when we aren't going to have the additional cows to fill these plants? I'll tell you what, Don, I'll start with you. What do you think is going to happen? How are we going to deal with this issue? Don: First of all, one can always count on delays in plant construction so that the time arising gets pushed back a bit. It never fails, right? So maybe that takes a bit off of the leading edge, but it doesn't really answer the question. I think if profitability is there for the dairy producers that you could ...

T3, Josh and Tristan sat down with Jeroen Lemmens, who joined Cefetra Dairy in Singapore after spending multiple years trading dairy in China. We'd spent months looking for the right person to talk to about China's dairy buying habits past, present and future. The conversation gave some color to the disappearance of Chinese demand for American milk and some backbone to the hope that some of that demand will return in 2024. Discussion ranged from trade agreements with New Zealand and the state of the hog market to domestic macroeconomic factors like China's property market and industrial challenges. Give it a listen, and let us know what you think. Ted: Our special guest today is Jeroen Lemmens from Cefetra. Jeroen lives in Singapore and handles the Asian operations for Cefetra. Jeroen, why don't we start by telling us a little bit about yourself? Jeroen: I'm glad to be here. Thank you for the invitation. My name is Jeroen Lemmens. I have now been in dairy for, I think, close to 24 years. I worked in various trading firms in Holland, dealing mostly in Middle East, Eastern Europe, and Russia. Then, about seven years ago, I went to China. I was active in the China operation, importer-distributor dealing in dairy commodities, dealing with the biggest dairy companies in China, both in food and feed. I think that was a very valuable experience. China has a dynamic all of its own. I think that's also showing in the market at this moment. Also, during the dark times, the last few years during COVID, that was actually a very trying time. Then, early this year, I decided to leave the company I was working for and join Cefetra. For Cefetra now, setting up the operation in Singapore for Asia with, again, also a focus on China again. Ted: Wonderful. China for the United States is a key dairy trade partner. Really, so much of what happens in China, all of Southeast Asia tends to follow that lead. A lot of times the dynamics tend to be very similar. It's especially an important trade partner for the US when it comes to nonfat dry milk, and whey powder and whey derivatives. There's been a lot of talk lately about ... The import volumes in China are dropping, and, of course, in the US, our questions are always, "What does that mean for dairy prices in the US?" I want to start with a very simple question, which is, from a dairy perspective, what is going on in China? What is driving the decrease in imports of dairy products? Is it across the whole spectrum of dairy products, or is it just certain dairy products? What are your expectations, going forward? Jeroen: I think at the moment there's a lot of different things happening at the same time, all affecting the markets. I think a lot of buyers actually have been expecting that, with the reopening of China after COVID, there would be a boom in consumption. People were trying to take positions to be ready for this. Actually the import values this year so far have been bigger than last year, year to date, whereas the consumption dropped away by a variety of reasons. One is local consumption took a hit, especially the consumption of, let's say, higher grade, fresh products. That consumption reduced a lot, so that's less consumption, more imports. That's one reason early in the year. Second one is that the local production of milk powder in China actually continues to be strong. It has been very, very strong last few years, but it's still growing. You have growing local raw milk availability coupled with reasonable stocks and lowered amount, and I think that's dragging the market down now to a certain extent. Then, looking at nonfat for US, you have the other situation that's starting this year. There will be no duty for New Zealand milk farmers, full year. Normally, there would only be a period in early Jan that the first 100,000 tons of product would be low duty. Now it's no duty, full year. That means that the incentive for buyers to go to ...

T3, Josh and Tristan sat down with Jeroen Lemmens, who joined Cefetra Dairy in Singapore after spending multiple years trading dairy in China. We'd spent months looking for the right person to talk to about China's dairy buying habits past, present and future. The conversation gave some color to the disappearance of Chinese demand for American milk and some backbone to the hope that some of that demand will return in 2024. Discussion ranged from trade agreements with New Zealand and the state of the hog market to domestic macroeconomic factors like China's property market and industrial challenges. Give it a listen, and let us know what you think. Ted: Our special guest today is Jeroen Lemmens from Cefetra. Jeroen lives in Singapore and handles the Asian operations for Cefetra. Jeroen, why don't we start by telling us a little bit about yourself? Jeroen: I'm glad to be here. Thank you for the invitation. My name is Jeroen Lemmens. I have now been in dairy for, I think, close to 24 years. I worked in various trading firms in Holland, dealing mostly in Middle East, Eastern Europe, and Russia. Then, about seven years ago, I went to China. I was active in the China operation, importer-distributor dealing in dairy commodities, dealing with the biggest dairy companies in China, both in food and feed. I think that was a very valuable experience. China has a dynamic all of its own. I think that's also showing in the market at this moment. Also, during the dark times, the last few years during COVID, that was actually a very trying time. Then, early this year, I decided to leave the company I was working for and join Cefetra. For Cefetra now, setting up the operation in Singapore for Asia with, again, also a focus on China again. Ted: Wonderful. China for the United States is a key dairy trade partner. Really, so much of what happens in China, all of Southeast Asia tends to follow that lead. A lot of times the dynamics tend to be very similar. It's especially an important trade partner for the US when it comes to nonfat dry milk, and whey powder and whey derivatives. There's been a lot of talk lately about ... The import volumes in China are dropping, and, of course, in the US, our questions are always, "What does that mean for dairy prices in the US?" I want to start with a very simple question, which is, from a dairy perspective, what is going on in China? What is driving the decrease in imports of dairy products? Is it across the whole spectrum of dairy products, or is it just certain dairy products? What are your expectations, going forward? Jeroen: I think at the moment there's a lot of different things happening at the same time, all affecting the markets. I think a lot of buyers actually have been expecting that, with the reopening of China after COVID, there would be a boom in consumption. People were trying to take positions to be ready for this. Actually the import values this year so far have been bigger than last year, year to date, whereas the consumption dropped away by a variety of reasons. One is local consumption took a hit, especially the consumption of, let's say, higher grade, fresh products. That consumption reduced a lot, so that's less consumption, more imports. That's one reason early in the year. Second one is that the local production of milk powder in China actually continues to be strong. It has been very, very strong last few years, but it's still growing. You have growing local raw milk availability coupled with reasonable stocks and lowered amount, and I think that's dragging the market down now to a certain extent. Then, looking at nonfat for US, you have the other situation that's starting this year. There will be no duty for New Zealand milk farmers, full year. Normally, there would only be a period in early Jan that the first 100,000 tons of product would be low duty. Now it's no duty, full year. That means that the incentive for buyers to go to ...

Industry discussion surrounds a docket's worth of changes to the Federal Milk Marketing Orders (FMMO), and we feel like it's high time that we weighed in. The USDA hearing on pricing formulas reconvened November 27, and the Jacoby team can't help but feel that much of the hearings will amount to wasted or misplaced effort. On this episode of The Milk Check, recorded in mid-November, a group from throughout the company discusses the potential changes that might help dairies with ongoing profitability problems. Then, they share their thoughts on the contents of the hearing so far. T3: Hello everybody, and welcome to The Milk Check podcast. Today, we are going to tackle the famous, or maybe rather infamous, subject of federal order reform. I think you'll find listening to our discussion, that you'll find us a little bit more ambivalent about the process than maybe you'd expect from a group that is experts in marketing milk and the federal order system. But I'll let the conversation speak for itself, as we talk about the different things that the federal order hearing is trying to tackle and what we think should be done. And hopefully, it'll be helpful to everybody. I look forward to discussing it further, when they finally come out with their recommendations for how the federal order needs to be changed. Dad, obviously, the federal order hearing is going on. And my suggestion is the reality is the path we're going down really isn't going to change a lot, and maybe that's what we should discuss is how some of these changes aren't going to have a big effect because the market is going to change to that. Things like, okay, they're going to change the make allowances. How much of an effect are changing the make allowances really going to have on the farmer's milk price? Ted Jr: Zero. T3: That's my point. Ted Jr: The real issue is qualification and not the classified pricing system. Instead of having bottling plant A, for example, responsible for balancing, you now kick milk back to somebody else, usually a co-op who has a butter powder plant and you give them the responsibilities for balancing and then of course you pay for that with an overrated premium. And the alternative would be, in my view at least, to weaken the minimum price requirements and do it in such a way, and I'm not sure you're going to get out of the box with something like this, but do it in such a way that you can transfer some of the balancing requirements back to the bottling plant so that they can run sales on milk so we can get some of our customers back. Something that promotes marketing and allows at least a portion of the balancing to be transferred to the plant, I think would be beneficial. Is that going to happen? No, they're not going to touch that With a 10-foot pole, the minimum price requirements are the key to qualification, and so that's where the thing meets the wall. In the meantime, our Class I sales continue to decline. Anna: I think the biggest issue for me is that Class I is completely hamstrung by how everything is based off of their sales, their qualification, their everything else. It means that we've talked about them not being able to be innovative before, just how much it really sticks them in a certain spot where they can't do anything new. I don't really have a major problem with qualification. I think when you change those provisions, you end up devaluing the whole pool, which is kind of against the point, right? But my biggest issue is that we're basing all of this on Class I and quite frankly, they're not the most difficult customer anymore. Class III is in many cases way more difficult. Gus: How is Class III more difficult? And I look at this knowingly from the standpoint that cheese plants tend to take a more consistent volume of milk and therefore they're an easier customer to serve. But why do you say that? Anna: I don't think they're as easy as they used to be.

Industry discussion surrounds a docket's worth of changes to the Federal Milk Marketing Orders (FMMO), and we feel like it's high time that we weighed in. The USDA hearing on pricing formulas reconvened November 27, and the Jacoby team can't help but feel that much of the hearings will amount to wasted or misplaced effort. On this episode of The Milk Check, recorded in mid-November, a group from throughout the company discusses the potential changes that might help dairies with ongoing profitability problems. Then, they share their thoughts on the contents of the hearing so far. T3: Hello everybody, and welcome to The Milk Check podcast. Today, we are going to tackle the famous, or maybe rather infamous, subject of federal order reform. I think you'll find listening to our discussion, that you'll find us a little bit more ambivalent about the process than maybe you'd expect from a group that is experts in marketing milk and the federal order system. But I'll let the conversation speak for itself, as we talk about the different things that the federal order hearing is trying to tackle and what we think should be done. And hopefully, it'll be helpful to everybody. I look forward to discussing it further, when they finally come out with their recommendations for how the federal order needs to be changed. Dad, obviously, the federal order hearing is going on. And my suggestion is the reality is the path we're going down really isn't going to change a lot, and maybe that's what we should discuss is how some of these changes aren't going to have a big effect because the market is going to change to that. Things like, okay, they're going to change the make allowances. How much of an effect are changing the make allowances really going to have on the farmer's milk price? Ted Jr: Zero. T3: That's my point. Ted Jr: The real issue is qualification and not the classified pricing system. Instead of having bottling plant A, for example, responsible for balancing, you now kick milk back to somebody else, usually a co-op who has a butter powder plant and you give them the responsibilities for balancing and then of course you pay for that with an overrated premium. And the alternative would be, in my view at least, to weaken the minimum price requirements and do it in such a way, and I'm not sure you're going to get out of the box with something like this, but do it in such a way that you can transfer some of the balancing requirements back to the bottling plant so that they can run sales on milk so we can get some of our customers back. Something that promotes marketing and allows at least a portion of the balancing to be transferred to the plant, I think would be beneficial. Is that going to happen? No, they're not going to touch that With a 10-foot pole, the minimum price requirements are the key to qualification, and so that's where the thing meets the wall. In the meantime, our Class I sales continue to decline. Anna: I think the biggest issue for me is that Class I is completely hamstrung by how everything is based off of their sales, their qualification, their everything else. It means that we've talked about them not being able to be innovative before, just how much it really sticks them in a certain spot where they can't do anything new. I don't really have a major problem with qualification. I think when you change those provisions, you end up devaluing the whole pool, which is kind of against the point, right? But my biggest issue is that we're basing all of this on Class I and quite frankly, they're not the most difficult customer anymore. Class III is in many cases way more difficult. Gus: How is Class III more difficult? And I look at this knowingly from the standpoint that cheese plants tend to take a more consistent volume of milk and therefore they're an easier customer to serve. But why do you say that? Anna: I don't think they're as easy as they used to be.

Our team is (mostly) bearish right now. We're seeing signs that recent Class III price rises aren't supported by demand, and the lack of Asian demand for powders continues. In the August episode of The Milk Check, we discuss a recent LinkedIn post Ted made and whether there's any strong case against bearishness when looking at dairy prices. Butter continues to feel like an exception, and Joe Maixner wants to go “on the record” with a bullish outlook for the rest of the year but also into 2024. The international outlook, according to Diego Carvallo, couldn't get much more bearish. Ted: Welcome everybody to the August version of the Milk Check. Today we're going to have an old fashioned market discussion. We have with us, Josh White, Diego Carvallo, Joe Maxster, Jacob Menge, and I. So guys, I thought I'd start this conversation simply by mentioning the post that I just put on LinkedIn and you guys can tell me what you think of the post and if you think you agree with me or maybe where I'm wrong. So it's the middle of August, it's hot outside, you're seeing 100 degree temperatures all over the country. The milk supply is tightening as a result, schools will start up soon. So demand has picked up a little bit. The cheese market has popped, improving class three prices. And most of our other markets are starting to look like the bottoms are in. Does that mean the remainder of the year will be positive for dairy farmers? My hunch is that domestic demand will not be good enough to sustain decent milk prices. I see subtle signs everywhere. Very few of our domestic customers are giving us glowing sales reports. Most are using descriptions like average at best or slightly under budget. And while Mexico continues to be optimistic, our Asian customers are using words like depressing and even horrific to describe their sales. So even though milk production may turn negative year over year in the coming months, I just don't see enough positive demand to be bullish milk prices between now and the first half of 2024. Guys, am I being too bearish? Josh, what do you think? Josh: Just talking to different people I would echo what you mentioned. I had a few calls where people have said to date their overall demand has been lackluster. Their coverage going forward is taking into consideration some of that uncertainty about their demand, but we're starting to notice a few more transactional type, a little bit more transactional type business happening in the recent weeks that leads me to believe that the forward coverage isn't as strong as everyone thought from these type of companies. Ted: So what you mean by that is maybe the spot purchasing needs of some of the big buyers out there domestically between now and the end of the year may actually be a little bit stronger than it has been so far? Josh: I don't know that I'm predicting it, but I think there's a real opportunity for that. Jacob: The thing that I think is a bit of a black box still to this conversation is US demand, and I think you mentioned it in your LinkedIn post, Ted, but I think that's really the key here is that US demand piece. Because if you look at equity markets, for example, the US seems to be the favored child in the world right now where our markets are humming along, we're having the soft landing. Meanwhile, Europe specifically the UK, seemed to be on the brink or in a recession. And so again, will this kind of fiscal strength we've seen on the equity sides carry over into our household purchasing and as such mean we have good demand in the US. I think it remains to be seen. We've seen a number of arguments be made that the decent demand we've had so far this year is going to kind of falter in Q4. I think I might be in that camp. But if it doesn't, you pair decent demand along with a contracting supply, and especially if what Josh alluded to comes true, you have multi nets come in and do some buying on products here or there,

Our team is (mostly) bearish right now. We're seeing signs that recent Class III price rises aren't supported by demand, and the lack of Asian demand for powders continues. In the August episode of The Milk Check, we discuss a recent LinkedIn post Ted made and whether there's any strong case against bearishness when looking at dairy prices. Butter continues to feel like an exception, and Joe Maixner wants to go “on the record” with a bullish outlook for the rest of the year but also into 2024. The international outlook, according to Diego Carvallo, couldn't get much more bearish. Ted: Welcome everybody to the August version of the Milk Check. Today we're going to have an old fashioned market discussion. We have with us, Josh White, Diego Carvallo, Joe Maxster, Jacob Menge, and I. So guys, I thought I'd start this conversation simply by mentioning the post that I just put on LinkedIn and you guys can tell me what you think of the post and if you think you agree with me or maybe where I'm wrong. So it's the middle of August, it's hot outside, you're seeing 100 degree temperatures all over the country. The milk supply is tightening as a result, schools will start up soon. So demand has picked up a little bit. The cheese market has popped, improving class three prices. And most of our other markets are starting to look like the bottoms are in. Does that mean the remainder of the year will be positive for dairy farmers? My hunch is that domestic demand will not be good enough to sustain decent milk prices. I see subtle signs everywhere. Very few of our domestic customers are giving us glowing sales reports. Most are using descriptions like average at best or slightly under budget. And while Mexico continues to be optimistic, our Asian customers are using words like depressing and even horrific to describe their sales. So even though milk production may turn negative year over year in the coming months, I just don't see enough positive demand to be bullish milk prices between now and the first half of 2024. Guys, am I being too bearish? Josh, what do you think? Josh: Just talking to different people I would echo what you mentioned. I had a few calls where people have said to date their overall demand has been lackluster. Their coverage going forward is taking into consideration some of that uncertainty about their demand, but we're starting to notice a few more transactional type, a little bit more transactional type business happening in the recent weeks that leads me to believe that the forward coverage isn't as strong as everyone thought from these type of companies. Ted: So what you mean by that is maybe the spot purchasing needs of some of the big buyers out there domestically between now and the end of the year may actually be a little bit stronger than it has been so far? Josh: I don't know that I'm predicting it, but I think there's a real opportunity for that. Jacob: The thing that I think is a bit of a black box still to this conversation is US demand, and I think you mentioned it in your LinkedIn post, Ted, but I think that's really the key here is that US demand piece. Because if you look at equity markets, for example, the US seems to be the favored child in the world right now where our markets are humming along, we're having the soft landing. Meanwhile, Europe specifically the UK, seemed to be on the brink or in a recession. And so again, will this kind of fiscal strength we've seen on the equity sides carry over into our household purchasing and as such mean we have good demand in the US. I think it remains to be seen. We've seen a number of arguments be made that the decent demand we've had so far this year is going to kind of falter in Q4. I think I might be in that camp. But if it doesn't, you pair decent demand along with a contracting supply, and especially if what Josh alluded to comes true, you have multi nets come in and do some buying on products here or there,

On June 12, we brought a group together to share perspectives on the dairy markets, along with thoughts on what we might expect moving forward. And there wasn't a strong consensus. Josh thinks supply-side factors point to a relatively quick supply-side response playing out over months that produces some price upticks to offer some cover in the short term. Ted Jr. thinks price recovery will be slow and has his own counterarguments against the expectation of further production slowdowns. Jake feels bullish about spot prices on every product right now, but bearish in relation to current futures prices. Gus thinks dairy prices would need to climb above current futures prices to $19 or $20 milk before dairy farmers started feeling good again. And T3 worries that any recovery in the second half of 2023 will act as a “head fake” leading into fallout from macroeconomic weakness in 2024. T3: Welcome everybody to The Milk Check. Today we're recording this Milk Check on June 12th. The reason I'm giving you the date is because we're going to have an old-fashioned market discussion today. I've asked Jacob Menge, our director of trading strategy and risk management, to join us. My brother Gus, president of our fluid milk group, my dad, and Josh White, our vice president of dairy ingredients, to join us. In all of those markets, prices are low. I think probably the number one question dairy farmers are asking right now is, okay, these prices are really low. Are these prices going to stay down here for a long time? What are we dealing with? Jake, I'm going to ask you the first question. Where did demand go? Are these prices low because we're having a demand problem? If so, how'd we get here? Jake: I think pretty indisputably it is a demand problem, or at least that's a significant contributing factor. There's lots of little data points that support that, some anecdotal, some not. I know internally I've tossed a few of these out before. But exports out of China, way down. You look at foot traffic in stores like Target, that is significantly off. Those are things that are hinting at poor demand. I mean you can go as far as to look at the amount of cardboard boxes produced in the US, and it's a number that is significantly down year on year. Demand is notoriously hard to measure, but it's kind of like a black hole. You can't measure a black hole by looking at it directly, but you can measure it by looking at what it's doing to things around it. So looking at the things surrounding demand, they're not good. They're trending in the wrong direction, I'll say that. T3: How long do you think these demand issues have been happening? Has it just been 2023? Has it been the last couple of months? Jake: It's interesting. I think it's probably actually started in 2022, and it's something that just takes a long time to feel on the supply side here. When you have a push on one side of the market, it takes a while to feel that on the other side of the market. So my feeling is it probably actually started last year. We saw the stock market have a really negative year last year, and, so far, especially over the last two months in 2023, we've seen the stock market go gangbusters a little bit, and we haven't necessarily felt that bullish on the commodity side yet. So it's just got a long tail. T3: So even though we have a demand problem, unemployment's still pretty good. It's still quite low. Sounds like the Fed is still talking a more ... That it's more likely going to raise interest rates next than lower interest rates next. That seems to be a disconnect to me. How can demand be bad, yet the economy ... At least the Fed seems to think it's good? Does it mean demand is going to continue to be bad until something does break and the Fed has to start reacting to it? How do we get to a point where demand comes back? Jake: Awesome question. Wish I had an equally awesome answer for you.

On June 12, we brought a group together to share perspectives on the dairy markets, along with thoughts on what we might expect moving forward. And there wasn't a strong consensus. Josh thinks supply-side factors point to a relatively quick supply-side response playing out over months that produces some price upticks to offer some cover in the short term. Ted Jr. thinks price recovery will be slow and has his own counterarguments against the expectation of further production slowdowns. Jake feels bullish about spot prices on every product right now, but bearish in relation to current futures prices. Gus thinks dairy prices would need to climb above current futures prices to $19 or $20 milk before dairy farmers started feeling good again. And T3 worries that any recovery in the second half of 2023 will act as a “head fake” leading into fallout from macroeconomic weakness in 2024. T3: Welcome everybody to The Milk Check. Today we're recording this Milk Check on June 12th. The reason I'm giving you the date is because we're going to have an old-fashioned market discussion today. I've asked Jacob Menge, our director of trading strategy and risk management, to join us. My brother Gus, president of our fluid milk group, my dad, and Josh White, our vice president of dairy ingredients, to join us. In all of those markets, prices are low. I think probably the number one question dairy farmers are asking right now is, okay, these prices are really low. Are these prices going to stay down here for a long time? What are we dealing with? Jake, I'm going to ask you the first question. Where did demand go? Are these prices low because we're having a demand problem? If so, how'd we get here? Jake: I think pretty indisputably it is a demand problem, or at least that's a significant contributing factor. There's lots of little data points that support that, some anecdotal, some not. I know internally I've tossed a few of these out before. But exports out of China, way down. You look at foot traffic in stores like Target, that is significantly off. Those are things that are hinting at poor demand. I mean you can go as far as to look at the amount of cardboard boxes produced in the US, and it's a number that is significantly down year on year. Demand is notoriously hard to measure, but it's kind of like a black hole. You can't measure a black hole by looking at it directly, but you can measure it by looking at what it's doing to things around it. So looking at the things surrounding demand, they're not good. They're trending in the wrong direction, I'll say that. T3: How long do you think these demand issues have been happening? Has it just been 2023? Has it been the last couple of months? Jake: It's interesting. I think it's probably actually started in 2022, and it's something that just takes a long time to feel on the supply side here. When you have a push on one side of the market, it takes a while to feel that on the other side of the market. So my feeling is it probably actually started last year. We saw the stock market have a really negative year last year, and, so far, especially over the last two months in 2023, we've seen the stock market go gangbusters a little bit, and we haven't necessarily felt that bullish on the commodity side yet. So it's just got a long tail. T3: So even though we have a demand problem, unemployment's still pretty good. It's still quite low. Sounds like the Fed is still talking a more ... That it's more likely going to raise interest rates next than lower interest rates next. That seems to be a disconnect to me. How can demand be bad, yet the economy ... At least the Fed seems to think it's good? Does it mean demand is going to continue to be bad until something does break and the Fed has to start reacting to it? How do we get to a point where demand comes back? Jake: Awesome question. Wish I had an equally awesome answer for you.

On Episode 57 of The Milk Check, Tara Vander Dussen joins us to talk about sustainable agriculture. She is an environmental scientist and fifth-generation dairy farmer known online as the New Mexico Milkmaid. We celebrate some of the regenerative agricultural practices that people often take for granted, and Tara walks us through some of progress she's seeing in New Mexico dairies today. We discuss dairy's image problem and the steps folks can take to help consumers see dairy in a greener light. Our favorite quote from Tara: “Agriculture sees a waste in their stream, they're going to find a way to make it a value.” T3: Welcome, everybody, to The Milk Check, where we talk about things that are relevant to dairy farmers. I'm really excited about the podcast that we're putting together today. We have a special guest. Her name is Tara Vander Dussen. But before I introduce Tara, I want to tell you who else is on the podcast with us today. Joining my father and I, we have Tristan Suellentrop. Tristan is in our sales and marketing department. And we have Josh White. Josh heads up our dairy ingredients division. Tara, better known online as the New Mexico Milkmaid, she is a fifth generation dairy farmer, a farm wife, environmental scientist, mom to two girls, and a New Mexico native. She is a dairy advocate, a whiskey drinker, I like that, a fast talker, a lover of all things Southwest, and an avid boho braid enthusiast. Tara, I want to start off the podcast by asking what in the world is an avid boho braid enthusiast? Tara Vander Dussen: I know. I'm kind of surprised I don't have a braid in this morning. I almost put one in. No, I love braiding hair. Actually, when I first started sharing online, it was one of the things I shared about, and it was a great way to connect with people actually outside of agriculture and kind of bring them into the dairy fold. T3: Awesome. Thank you. So what we want to talk about today is sustainability and how sustainability is relevant to the dairy farmer. From my perspective, we work with a lot of dairy farmers in this industry, and the idea that dairy farming as an industry is not considered sustainable, it just strikes me as something so counter to all of the dairy farmers that I know. Dairy farmers work outside with nature. They care deeply about nature, they care deeply about animals. So when some of the things that I hear in the press about sustainability, about carbon emissions, and about dairy farming, more than anything else, what strikes me is if there's one thing I fully expect dairy farmers to do is to resolve this, is to attack this issue and say it's not just an economic issue, it's deeply personal to the dairy farmers that I know. The last thing that the dairy farmers I know ever want to be considered is somehow anti-environment, anti-sustainable. So my question to start this conversation off is what are the dairy farmers that you know, what are they doing, what is the industry doing to become more sustainable? You're an environmental scientist. I'm sure you know the background there. And then once we become a sustainable industry, how do we go back to the media and the general public and convince them and send the message that it's no longer relevant to consider the dairy industry unsustainable? Tara: Yeah, so many good questions in there. I'll start by saying I completely agree with you. That's kind of how I started sharing online as I was working as an environmental consultant on dairies throughout New Mexico. And then at the same time, I was seeing so much misinformation online, and it was like if people could just see what I see every day, they would see how much dairy farmers are doing to be more sustainable. That's really what led me to start sharing online. And as far as how we're like a piece of the land, one of the things I always tell people is the water that goes to my cows' water troughs is the same water that goes in my house.

On Episode 57 of The Milk Check, Tara Vander Dussen joins us to talk about sustainable agriculture. She is an environmental scientist and fifth-generation dairy farmer known online as the New Mexico Milkmaid. We celebrate some of the regenerative agricultural practices that people often take for granted, and Tara walks us through some of progress she's seeing in New Mexico dairies today. We discuss dairy's image problem and the steps folks can take to help consumers see dairy in a greener light. Our favorite quote from Tara: “Agriculture sees a waste in their stream, they're going to find a way to make it a value.” T3: Welcome, everybody, to The Milk Check, where we talk about things that are relevant to dairy farmers. I'm really excited about the podcast that we're putting together today. We have a special guest. Her name is Tara Vander Dussen. But before I introduce Tara, I want to tell you who else is on the podcast with us today. Joining my father and I, we have Tristan Suellentrop. Tristan is in our sales and marketing department. And we have Josh White. Josh heads up our dairy ingredients division. Tara, better known online as the New Mexico Milkmaid, she is a fifth generation dairy farmer, a farm wife, environmental scientist, mom to two girls, and a New Mexico native. She is a dairy advocate, a whiskey drinker, I like that, a fast talker, a lover of all things Southwest, and an avid boho braid enthusiast. Tara, I want to start off the podcast by asking what in the world is an avid boho braid enthusiast? Tara Vander Dussen: I know. I'm kind of surprised I don't have a braid in this morning. I almost put one in. No, I love braiding hair. Actually, when I first started sharing online, it was one of the things I shared about, and it was a great way to connect with people actually outside of agriculture and kind of bring them into the dairy fold. T3: Awesome. Thank you. So what we want to talk about today is sustainability and how sustainability is relevant to the dairy farmer. From my perspective, we work with a lot of dairy farmers in this industry, and the idea that dairy farming as an industry is not considered sustainable, it just strikes me as something so counter to all of the dairy farmers that I know. Dairy farmers work outside with nature. They care deeply about nature, they care deeply about animals. So when some of the things that I hear in the press about sustainability, about carbon emissions, and about dairy farming, more than anything else, what strikes me is if there's one thing I fully expect dairy farmers to do is to resolve this, is to attack this issue and say it's not just an economic issue, it's deeply personal to the dairy farmers that I know. The last thing that the dairy farmers I know ever want to be considered is somehow anti-environment, anti-sustainable. So my question to start this conversation off is what are the dairy farmers that you know, what are they doing, what is the industry doing to become more sustainable? You're an environmental scientist. I'm sure you know the background there. And then once we become a sustainable industry, how do we go back to the media and the general public and convince them and send the message that it's no longer relevant to consider the dairy industry unsustainable? Tara: Yeah, so many good questions in there. I'll start by saying I completely agree with you. That's kind of how I started sharing online as I was working as an environmental consultant on dairies throughout New Mexico. And then at the same time, I was seeing so much misinformation online, and it was like if people could just see what I see every day, they would see how much dairy farmers are doing to be more sustainable. That's really what led me to start sharing online. And as far as how we're like a piece of the land, one of the things I always tell people is the water that goes to my cows' water troughs is the same water that goes in my house.

You don't need technical analysis to tell you that dairy prices are low right now. But stocks are still high, which suggests demand is weak. The questions are: What gives? And when? In this episode of The Milk Check, we talk through the feeling that our current bearishness points to a strong price rebound later in 2022 or early 2023. But not before Trading Strategy Director Jacob Menge takes us through technical charts on dairy products and macroeconomic indicators like copper and the dollar index. In the end, Jake suggests that a “max pain” moment would be necessary to kick off a violent upward price swing, and the team talks through what “max pain” might look like for different products. Jake: I'm going to start just with one thing. For those of you that were on the call last Friday with Alan, that ITR economics presentation, we actually had talked about this exact graph, the consumer loans and how it's a pretty eye popping number. He basically said it's nothing. It's really irrelevant. It's more or less on trend, and I agree completely. That's what we had been saying for months now, that this is showing up in a lot of newspapers, ignore it. The one thing I do have to add that I've actually learned in the past couple months, just talking around, that there is something to pay attention to on the consumer loan side, that is just not in this graph at all, and I had no idea about, frankly. It is buy now, pay later. Buy now, pay later was a 2 billion market in 2019. Anybody want to guess what it was last year? Any brave soul going to stick a number out? Joe: 5 billion. Don: 50. T3: 30. 30 billion, isn't it...? Jake: Ted's closest. Ted's closest. It's like 25. Okay, so we went about 10 x on the buy now pay later market, and it's still going up. And here's the rub. Of all buy now pay later users, about 10% have a credit card, the other 90% don't. And that tells you they probably have such poor credit, they can't even access the formal credit lending market with protections on it. And so, this is the exact kind of thing that preceded 08, where they basically had not enough checks and balances on a certain credit lending market, and eventually, it got overworked. And you know the rest of the story. So that's the kind of thing to pay attention to. There are things in the background that are kind of sketchy. There's a million apps that you can do buy now pay later on literally anything now. So it's kind of interesting. Now, it's 25 billion. You look at total revolving credit here, which is 900 to a trillion. We're not talking a huge percent, just call it two to 3%. Okay? Not huge, but still, it could be a domino, that starts some ugliness. Because the valuation of these buy now pay later companies is massive. The regulations around it are basically nothing. It does not show up on credit reports. So literally, you could have $2,000 a month in buy now pay later and go apply for a home loan or go apply for a credit card, and everyone pulling your credit report has no idea that you have these other bills outstanding. So that's the kind of thing that, even though officially credit cards don't look risky right now, how much else is tied up here? This is not the big one or anything to me, but it's just something that I thought was kind of interesting and kind of indicative of the economy as a whole, that people are starting to really ramp up use of products like that. Over to the fun stuff here. Going to start with cheese. We talked about this. We haven't done one of these charting meetings in a while, but we talked about this buck 93 level, which I think, in Class III, was... What was it? Like 1980? We were right on that line, and that has been a sticky, sticky support or resistance line for a long time. And we cruised right through it. There's a little bit of hesitation, but we are firmly below that now, and there's just not a ton of support anywhere up until like a buck 80, I would say.

You don't need technical analysis to tell you that dairy prices are low right now. But stocks are still high, which suggests demand is weak. The questions are: What gives? And when? In this episode of The Milk Check, we talk through the feeling that our current bearishness points to a strong price rebound later in 2022 or early 2023. But not before Trading Strategy Director Jacob Menge takes us through technical charts on dairy products and macroeconomic indicators like copper and the dollar index. In the end, Jake suggests that a “max pain” moment would be necessary to kick off a violent upward price swing, and the team talks through what “max pain” might look like for different products. Jake: I'm going to start just with one thing. For those of you that were on the call last Friday with Alan, that ITR economics presentation, we actually had talked about this exact graph, the consumer loans and how it's a pretty eye popping number. He basically said it's nothing. It's really irrelevant. It's more or less on trend, and I agree completely. That's what we had been saying for months now, that this is showing up in a lot of newspapers, ignore it. The one thing I do have to add that I've actually learned in the past couple months, just talking around, that there is something to pay attention to on the consumer loan side, that is just not in this graph at all, and I had no idea about, frankly. It is buy now, pay later. Buy now, pay later was a 2 billion market in 2019. Anybody want to guess what it was last year? Any brave soul going to stick a number out? Joe: 5 billion. Don: 50. T3: 30. 30 billion, isn't it...? Jake: Ted's closest. Ted's closest. It's like 25. Okay, so we went about 10 x on the buy now pay later market, and it's still going up. And here's the rub. Of all buy now pay later users, about 10% have a credit card, the other 90% don't. And that tells you they probably have such poor credit, they can't even access the formal credit lending market with protections on it. And so, this is the exact kind of thing that preceded 08, where they basically had not enough checks and balances on a certain credit lending market, and eventually, it got overworked. And you know the rest of the story. So that's the kind of thing to pay attention to. There are things in the background that are kind of sketchy. There's a million apps that you can do buy now pay later on literally anything now. So it's kind of interesting. Now, it's 25 billion. You look at total revolving credit here, which is 900 to a trillion. We're not talking a huge percent, just call it two to 3%. Okay? Not huge, but still, it could be a domino, that starts some ugliness. Because the valuation of these buy now pay later companies is massive. The regulations around it are basically nothing. It does not show up on credit reports. So literally, you could have $2,000 a month in buy now pay later and go apply for a home loan or go apply for a credit card, and everyone pulling your credit report has no idea that you have these other bills outstanding. So that's the kind of thing that, even though officially credit cards don't look risky right now, how much else is tied up here? This is not the big one or anything to me, but it's just something that I thought was kind of interesting and kind of indicative of the economy as a whole, that people are starting to really ramp up use of products like that. Over to the fun stuff here. Going to start with cheese. We talked about this. We haven't done one of these charting meetings in a while, but we talked about this buck 93 level, which I think, in Class III, was... What was it? Like 1980? We were right on that line, and that has been a sticky, sticky support or resistance line for a long time. And we cruised right through it. There's a little bit of hesitation, but we are firmly below that now, and there's just not a ton of support anywhere up until like a buck 80, I would say.

The USDA's milk production report for December surprised us and sparked some interesting discussion in a recent mass balance and charting meeting. We thought it made sense to pull back the curtain and share some of that discussion on the podcast. What does the USDA revision of cow numbers tell us? Should we worry about falling Texas cow numbers with cheese plants coming online this year? Director of Global Strategy Don Street talks through his expectations for Q1 milk production in the wake of recent numbers, which leads to some back-and-forth about the adverse economics facing producers now. Don: All right. Do you want to get rolling? T3: Yeah, let's go ahead and get rolling. Don: Okay. I've struggled to come up with a title. I finally settled on, Once You Count the Cows Before the Barn Door is Opened, which I realize doesn't make any sense. But USDA is having some difficulties on cows. So, November production was revised lower by three-tenths of a percent. And to do that, USDA reduced cow numbers by 9000 head, kind of spread over a whole bunch of states. Nobody more than 2000 down a couple, or even a 1000 or 2000 up. And milk per cow was down 0.2%. So, given where margins are, not much excitement on pushing cows to really produce more milk. December, production was reported as up 0.9. Again, this is 24 states. I was at 1.7. So clearly, an overshoot because I was two-tenths of a percent off on number of cows at the end of the day. And then about again, a half percent off on milk per cow. So, even though December of '21 was weaker on milk production, it didn't translate into a bump in December. The other interesting thing to note is that USDA dropped the herd 5000 head in Texas in December. And we continue, well, we, me, continue to think that Texas cow numbers have to go up. But there again, counting cows is more of an art than a science, apparently. All of this leads to thinking the milk supply will be more limited going into '23. So, we're at the end of January tomorrow. We'll have January milk numbers in three weeks after that. But my projections now, down to 1.7. I think at one time, I even threw out the number it could be up 2.5 in January. That just simply isn't going to happen with the downward pressure on milk per cow. Stated differently, the lack of growth in milk per cow. Q1 2023, I'm now at up 1.1%. I think originally when we first started to look at this, I was at just over two. So, this is much less surplus milk in Q1 than I was expecting. And the next step from that is looking at Q2, not a lot of change. I think we're going to be stuck for some months in about 1% overall growth in milk production, probably for the first-half of the year. January continuing to be the exception because it was down so heavily. There will be a little bit of a bounce just from the math of that reality. If you assume, and this is where we ended 2022, 24 states, 8,918,000 cows, and just hold that steady for the whole year. You can see in January we're up a half percent less than February. And then we're just kind of even with the prior year, a tenth percent up down a little bit, up barely. So, without more cows coming into the system, all the growth after February is going to be dependent on milk per cow. And we already know that's pretty minimal. So, earlier this month, because of the delay in Christmas, we did talk about that you could expect 100,000 cows added to the herd for the two plants that are coming online in Q1 and Q2. If you actually had a 100,000 cows coming in, then your growth in number of cows would contribute much more significantly to overall milk production growth. I think at best, this is probably half of this number. So, I think even with that expansion, with depressed margins, non-aggressive feeding of cows, we're going to be in a milk production environment where we're kind of 1% up. Just to review quickly, the plants that are coming online, that's where you get 98,

The USDA's milk production report for December surprised us and sparked some interesting discussion in a recent mass balance and charting meeting. We thought it made sense to pull back the curtain and share some of that discussion on the podcast. What does the USDA revision of cow numbers tell us? Should we worry about falling Texas cow numbers with cheese plants coming online this year? Director of Global Strategy Don Street talks through his expectations for Q1 milk production in the wake of recent numbers, which leads to some back-and-forth about the adverse economics facing producers now. Don: All right. Do you want to get rolling? T3: Yeah, let's go ahead and get rolling. Don: Okay. I've struggled to come up with a title. I finally settled on, Once You Count the Cows Before the Barn Door is Opened, which I realize doesn't make any sense, because if you're Nelson Freya, the cows are always in the barn. But USDA is having some difficulties on cows. So, November production was revised lower by three-tenths of a percent. And to do that, USDA reduced cow numbers by 9000 head, kind of spread over a whole bunch of states. Nobody more than 2000 down a couple, or even a 1000 or 2000 up. And milk per cow was down 0.2%. So, given where margins are, not much excitement on pushing cows to really produce more milk. December, production was reported as up 0.9. Again, this is 24 states. I was at 1.7. So clearly, an overshoot because I was two-tenths of a percent off on number of cows at the end of the day. And then about again, a half percent off on milk per cow. So, even though December of '21 was weaker on milk production, it didn't translate into a bump in December. The other interesting thing to note is that USDA dropped the herd 5000 head in Texas in December. And we continue, well, we, me, continue to think that Texas cow numbers have to go up with panhandle cheese coming online. But there again, counting cows is more of an art than a science, apparently. All of this leads to thinking the milk supply will be more limited going into '23. So, we're at the end of January tomorrow. We'll have January milk numbers in three weeks after that. But my projections now, down to 1.7. I think at one time, I even threw out the number it could be up 2.5 in January. That just simply isn't going to happen with the downward pressure on milk per cow. Stated differently, the lack of growth in milk per cow. Q1 2023, I'm now at up 1.1%. I think originally when we first started to look at this, I was at just over two. So, this is much less surplus milk in Q1 than I was expecting. And the next step from that is looking at Q2, not a lot of change. I think we're going to be stuck for some months in about 1% overall growth in milk production, probably for the first-half of the year. January continuing to be the exception because it was down so heavily. There will be a little bit of a bounce just from the math of that reality. If you assume, and this is where we ended 2022, 24 states, 8,918,000 cows, and just hold that steady for the whole year. You can see in January we're up a half percent less than February. And then we're just kind of even with the prior year, a tenth percent up down a little bit, up barely. So, without more cows coming into the system, all the growth after February is going to be dependent on milk per cow. And we already know that's pretty minimal. So, earlier this month, because of the delay in Christmas, we did talk about that you could expect 100,000 cows added to the herd for the two plants that are coming online in Q1 and Q2. If you actually had a 100,000 cows coming in, then your growth in number of cows would contribute much more significantly to overall milk production growth. I think at best, this is probably half of this number. So, I think even with that expansion, with depressed margins, non-aggressive feeding of cows, we're going to be in a milk production environment where we're k...