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Rob Patterson, the Evangelism Team leader for the Kentucky Baptist Convention, discusses how to build team cohesion and understanding using the 5 Voices Personality Assessment.
What is leadership? How do you become a leader? What biblical principles can leaders integrate into their lives and work? To talk further about biblical leadership is Todd Gray, the Executive Director of the Kentucky Baptist Convention and host of the podcast "Leadership Lessons." If you would like to interview Richard Nelson, Executive Director of the Commonwealth Policy Center, please email richard@commonwealthpolicy.org. Like and Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/commonwealthpolicy Follow us on Twitter: @CPC4Kentucky LinkedIn: Commonwealth Policy Center E-Newsletter: https://www.commonwealthpolicycenter.org/mailing-list/ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/commonwealth-matters/support
Sara Robinson is the Women's Ministry and Transition Consultant with the Kentucky Baptist Convention. In this episode, Robinson discusses women and the local church.
Most Americans tend to open their garage, drive in, close the garage, and never see their neighbors. Does the "cocooning" nature of our society have an impact on biblical community? How can we care for those around us, our neighbors, coworkers, church members, etc. if we aren't being interntional in our interactions? On today's show Darryl Wilson shares practical aspects to caring for those in our groups and churches, different models and trends in discipleship around the world, and why he is more optimistic than ever before!As a Belmont alumni, Darryl Wilson has served as a Sunday School and Discipleship Consultant for the Kentucky Baptist Convention since 1997. He has also served as Minister of Education in Kentucky and South Carolina. Darryl is married with two adult sons and multiple grandchildren.Thanks for listening and sharing this episode with a friend!Show links: -Caring: Caring for Members and Friends in Sunday School and Bible Study Groups
Randy McPheron is the Kentucky Baptist Convention's newest president. In this episode, McPheron outlines what his ministry called Baptist Bikers does, and discusses his vision for the convention as president.
Today I am talking to Dr. Sara Robinson who is the Women's Ministry and Transition Consultant for the Kentucky Baptist Convention. Sara shares with us her story of how God slowly drew her into serving him one step at a time until here she is serving all of the Southern Baptist Churches in Kentucky! Her story is one that affirms to us that God's plans are always better than ours. Connect with Sara @sararobinson Connect with Elaina @drelainabarron elainabarron.com
The Kentucky Baptist Convention elected James Carroll as president at its 185th Annual Meeting. In this episode, Todd Gray and James Carroll explain the position of the KBC president, and the work that Carroll has already started.
In this week's edition of The Commonwealth Matters we are joined by Dr. Albert Mohler, president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, and Todd Gray, Executive Director of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, to discuss why and how pastors can speak on the upcoming Yes for Life Amendment. If you would like to interview Richard Nelson, Executive Director of the Commonwealth Policy Center, please email richard@commonwealthpolicy.org. The Commonwealth Matters has moved to our new website at www.commonwealthpolicycenter.org . Please visit the new site to access the program. Like and Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/commonwealthpolicy Follow us on Twitter: @CPC4Kentucky LinkedIn: Commonwealth Policy Center E-Newsletter: https://www.commonwealthpolicycenter.org/mailing-list/ --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/commonwealth-matters/support
Dr. Steve Rice is the team leader for church consulting and revitalization for the Kentucky Baptist Convention. Dr. Rice shares his experience with conflict resolution, the advice that he would give to a church in need of revitalization, and much more.
Dwight Butler is the lobbyist for the Kentucky Baptist Convention. Butler shares what a typical day in the Kentucky General Assembly looks like, as well as what led him to take on this role with the KBC.
Ian Carrico is the church evangelism strategist for the Kentucky Baptist Convention. Carrico describes the biggest trend of churches coming out of the pandemic, and provides encouragement for believers reluctant to share the Gospel.
Job Juarez is the church planting group leader for the Kentucky Baptist Convention. Juarez discusses the church planting efforts underway in Kentucky, how God is using local multi-language churches to reach the nations, and much more.
Lawrence Smith is the Communications Director for the Kentucky Baptist Convention. Smith shares his story as a dedicated local journalist, what he is envisioning for the future of Kentucky Today, and much more.
Eric Allen is the missions mobilization team leader for the Kentucky Baptist Convention. Allen outlines the upcoming projects and initiatives of the missions team, the service of local and international missionaries, and much more.
The Kentucky Baptist Convention has elected a new president! In this episode of Leadership Lessons, Dr. Todd Gray interviews newly-elected KBC President Harold Best.
Becky Harris is the accounting director and controller for the Kentucky Baptist Convention. Harris has multiple roles to fill, and in this episode shares her life experience as a KBC employee and as a pastor's wife.
Dr. Ian Carrico is the evangelism strategist for the Kentucky Baptist Convention. Carrico discusses how God taught him perseverance, how he was led to pastor Bethlehem Baptist Church, and what incoming work he'll be taking on at the KBC.
Rick Howerton is no stranger to the Kentucky Baptist Convention. In this episode, Howerton discusses his KBC hosted video series "Wise Counsel with Rick Howerton" and shares practical ways for pastors to enhance their ministry.
Guest Speaker and East Regional Consultant for the Kentucky Baptist Convention, Paul Badgett, joins us and shares what the Will of God is, and isn't in our lives!
Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, delivered a message in #SWBTSChapel from Acts 16:11-15 on September 9, 2021.
Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, delivered a message in #SWBTSChapel from Acts 16:11-15 on September 9, 2021.
Host Clay Howerton interviews the Communications Director of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, Brandon Porter, about Sunrise Children's Services and the Supreme Court ruling in Fulton v Philadelphia.
Well, today is bitter sweet as we host our last podcast with Dr. Ian Carrico! He's moving on to become a church evangelism associate with the Kentucky Baptist Convention. Dr. Ian walks us through his decision making process until it became clearer what he believes God is calling them to do. As Dr. Ian said, "It's easier said than done -- decisions & transitions. It's easier to preach until you're called to it."
In this week's edition of The Commonwealth Matters we are joined by Brandon Porter, the Communications Director of the Kentucky Baptist Convention. The discussion centers around how we can effectively communicate with our political leaders, and CPC's upcoming Christianity & Culture conferences. If you would like to interview Richard Nelson, Executive Director of the Commonwealth Policy Center, please email richard@commonwealthpolicy.org. E-Newsletter: https://www.commonwealthpolicycenter.org/mailing-list/ Like and Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/commonwealthpolicy Follow us on Twitter: @CPC4Kentucky LinkedIn: Commonwealth Policy Center --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/commonwealth-matters/support
In this episode, Josh, Lindsay, and Brent discuss the latest on the Rock Hill shooting, the White House's new gun control measures, the new UK COVID-19 strain, Brazil's COVID death toll, violence in Northern Ireland, and the results of the NCAA championship. Lindsay gives a rundown of this week's ERLC content including Alex Ward with "How can we understand trends of declining church membership? America, Christianity, and the local church," and Jordan Wootten with "How can Christians resist the ethic of outrage culture?," and Jared Kennedy with "Are you “working on” your kids ministry? Thinking through Process-Centered Methods for Children's Discipleship." Also in this episode, the hosts are joined by Dr. Todd Gray for a conversation about life and ministry. About Dr. GrayDr. Todd Gray has been Executive Director-Treasurer for the Kentucky Baptist Convention since August of 2019. Todd served churches in Kentucky and Indiana for 20 years before joining the KBC staff in 2012 as a regional consultant for western Kentucky. Since 2016 he's served as the team leader for the Evangelism, Church Planting and Campus Ministry team. Gray holds degrees from Murray State University and The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. He and his wife, Connie, have two adult daughters. You can connect with him on Twitter: @toddgray4. ERLC ContentAlex Ward with How can we understand trends of declining church membership? America, Christianity, and the local churchJordan Wootten with How can Christians resist the ethic of outrage culture?Jared Kennedy with Are you “working on” your kids ministry? Thinking through Process-Centered Methods for Children's DiscipleshipCultureLatest on Rock Hill shootingWH expected to announce gun control measuresUK variant is now the dominant coronavirus strain in the US1 in 3 Covid-19 patients are diagnosed with a neuropsychiatric conditionBrazil's daily COVID death toll tops 4,000 for first timeNo lockdown for Brazil amidst Covid outbreakBus torched in more Northern Ireland violence as British and Irish leaders call for calmNCAA Championship 2021 score: Baylor routs Gonzaga as Bears win first national title, end Zags' perfect seasonLunchroomLindsay: Free copies of Gentle and Lowly for churches; White blood cell and bacterium Josh: ERLC AcademyBrent: Where billions of cicadas will emerge this springConnect with us on Twitter@ERLC@jbwester@LeatherwoodTN@LindsNicoletSponsorsEvery person has dignity and potential. But did you know that nearly 1 in 3 American adults has a criminal record? On Sunday April 11th , we invite you to join Prison Fellowship for a special service focusing on the power of second chances. To learn more and sign up for the virtual Second Chance Sunday service visit prisonfellowship.org/secondchances.Stand for Life: At the ERLC, we stand for life. Our work to save preborn babies and care for the vulnerable is vital to our work. Believing that abortion can end in our lifetime, will you join us as we STAND FOR LIFE?
In this week's edition of The Commonwealth Matters we are joined by Brandon Porter, Director of Communications for the Kentucky Baptist Convention to continue our discussion on the election, civil unrest, and the pastoral response. If you would like to interview Richard Nelson, Executive Director of the Commonwealth Policy Center, please email richard@commonwealthpolicy.org. E-Newsletter: https://www.commonwealthpolicycenter.org/mailing-list/ Like and Follow us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/commonwealthpolicy Follow us on Twitter: @CPC4Kentucky LinkedIn: Commonwealth Policy Center --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/commonwealth-matters/support
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, speaks with Peter Yanes, executive director of Asian American relations and mobilization, about the mobilization efforts of the Southern Baptist Convention.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, talks with Darrin Miller, pastor of Riverwoods Baptist Church in Benton, Ky., about advice for pastors as they navigate the challenges of ministry.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, has a discussion with Russell Moore, president of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, the public policy arm of the Southern Baptist Convention.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, speaks with O.S. Hawkins, author and president and CEO of GuideStone Financial Services of the Southern Baptist Convention.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, talks with Tim Morgan, former special ops pilot, now military contractor and Kentucky Baptist pastor, about lessons he's learned in both the military and ministry.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, talks with Brian Croft, former pastor, professor, and founder of Practical Shepherding, a resource center for pastors and church leaders.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, talks with Nate Bishop, lead pastor of Forest Baptist Church in Louisville, Ky., about racial reconciliation in the church.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, discusses pastoral advice with Greg Faulls, senior pastor of Bellevue Baptist in Owensboro, Ky.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, speaks with Dale Suttles, president of Sunrise Children's Services, about their current ministry to children across the state.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, discusses updates at the North American Mission Board with NAMB president and former Kentucky Baptist Kevin Ezell.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, talks with Dan Summerlin, pastor of Lone Oak First Baptist Church, about the lessons he's learned in ministry.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, catches up with Kevin Smith, executive director-treasurer of the Baptist Convention of Maryland/Delaware and former Kentucky Baptist.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, speaks with Clayton King, founder of Clayton King Ministries, about evangelism advice and how pastors and leaders can better implement it into their ministry.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, catches up with Allen Bonnell, lead pastor of Immanuel Baptist in Corbin, Ky., about evangelism, life, and ministry.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, catches up with Adam Greenway, president of Southwestern Seminary and former Kentucky Baptist, about ministry advice and seminary updates.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, speaks with Wes Fowler, 2020 KBC president and pastor of First Baptist Church in Mayfield, Ky., about his vision for revival in every church.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, talks with Ronny Raines, new pastor of First Baptist Church in Clarksville, Tenn., about his ministry experiences and pastoral advice.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, speaks with Chad Fugitt, the 2019 KBC president and pastor of Orsmby Heights Baptist Church in Louisville, Ky., about his experience as a pastor and KBC president during COVID.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, talks with Nick Sandefur, senior pastor of Porter Memorial Baptist Church in Lexington, Ky., about pastoral wisdom and advice he has learned over the years.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, talks with Charles Frazier, pastor of Zion's Cause Baptist Church in Benton, Ky. and former KBC pastor, about wisdom and encouragement in ministry.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, talks with Jason Lowe, associational mission strategist for the Pike Association of Southern Baptists, about the work of associational leaders in the state.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, talks with Rob Patterson, evangelism team leader at the Kentucky Baptist Convention, about the Gospel to Every Home initiative happening across the state.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, talks with evangelist Dale Rose (of Dale Rose Ministries) about the importance of the role of the evangelist and how they can come alongside churches in sharing the gospel.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, speaks with William Dooley, teacher and bivocational pastor of Middletown Baptist Church in Berea, Ky., about his experience as a bivocational pastor in Kentucky.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, talks with Danny Forshee, pastor of Great Hills Baptist Church in Austin, Texas, and founder of Danny Forshee Evangelistic Association, about life and ministry.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, catches up with Ray Woodie, pastor of Coral Hill Baptist Church in Glasgow, Ky., as they share tips and advice for ministry.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, talks with Hershael York, pastor of Buck Run Baptist Church and the dean of the School of Theology at Southern Seminary, about ways pastors can be encouraged in ministry.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, speaks with Willie McLaurin, vice president for Great Commission relations and mobilization at the Southern Baptist Convention Executive Committee, about current mobilization efforts.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, talks with Tim Beougher, associate dean of the Billy Graham School at Southern Seminary, about evangelism tips and ministry advice.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, talks with Ricky Cunningham, pastor of Hardin Baptist Church in Hardin, Ky., about his background in farming and the lessons he learned there that helped him in ministry.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, catches up with Dave Earley, lead pastor of First Baptist Church in Grove City, Ohio, as he gave ministry advice and encouragement.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, talks with David Stokes, associational mission strategist at the Central Kentucky Network of Baptists, about the importance of associational leadership.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, catches up with Jeff Iorg, president of Gateway Seminary in California.
December 13, 2020 — This morning Dr. Todd Gray (Executive Director/Treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention) preached a message titled “Taking the Gospel to Every Person” from 1 Corinthians 3:6.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, talks with Dr. Paul Chitwood, president of the International Mission Board.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, talks with retired pastor Tony Rose about self-care for pastors and other important leadership lessons during crisis management.
Dr. Todd Gray, executive director-treasurer of Kentucky Baptist Convention, talks with Dr. Ronnie Floyd, president and CEO of the SBC Executive Committee, about the current health of the Southern Baptist Convention.
Today on the show, we are talking to Job Juarez. Job is the church planting and development associate for the Kentucky Baptist Convention. Today we are talking about Immigration, the Border, and a Gospel-centered response. If you want to connect with Job, you can email him at job.juarez@kybaptist.org What did you think of today's episode? Let's connect on social media. We are on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. You can also watch our interviews on our YouTube channel. We will be back next Tuesday with a brand new episode. Thanks for listening!
This week have a special guest speaker, Bro. Rob Patterson, the Evangelism Team Leader from the Kentucky Baptist Convention. His focus will be in Romans 1:16-17 as he reiterates the importance of spreading the Word of God.Support the show
Job Juarez (Church Planting & Development Associate from the Kentucky Baptist Convention) preaches through Hebrews 4:1-11 in our sermon series, Still the Answer, at Christ Community Church in Shelbyville, KY on Sunday, June 14, 2020.
Jeff Pickering and Travis Wussow welcome Dr. Kevin Smith to the podcast to talk about the killing of Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia and why Christians should lament this tragedy and work to seek justice in their communities. This episode is sponsored by The Good Book Company, publisher of Talking Points: Abortion by Dr Lizzie Ling & Vaughan Roberts. Guest Biography Dr. Kevin Smith leads the staff of the Baptist Convention of Maryland/Delaware. He has experience as a pastor, chaplain, church planter, conference speaker, and short-term missionary. He has studied at Hampton University, the Church of God Theological Seminary, and The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, subsequently serving on Southern's faculty for over a decade. In 2015, while serving the Highview Baptist Church in Louisville (KY), he was elected president of the Kentucky Baptist Convention. Kevin and his wife, Patricia, have three adult children and two great-nephews. His hobbies include whatever sports his kids were playing and riding his Harley-Davidson motorcycle. His ministry is animated by Jesus' prayer for the unity of His followers in John 17. Resources from the Conversation Connect with Dr. Smith on Twitter @smithbaptist Learn more about the Baptist Convention of Maryland/Delaware Listen to the New York Time's The Daily episode on the shooting of Arbery Listen to Slate's What Next episode on the corruption of justice in this case Read the AJC explainer | What we know so far about the Ahmaud Arbery shooting Read Russell Moore's article | The Killing of Ahmaud Arbery and the Justice of God Read Baptist Press report by Diana Chandler | Video of Ahmaud Arbery shooting inflames tensions in south Georgia town Read The Dispatch explainer by David French | A Vigilante Killing in Georgia Subscribe to the ERLC's Capitol Conversations
Jeff Pickering and Travis Wussow welcome Dr. Kevin Smith to the podcast to talk about the killing of Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia and why Christians should lament this tragedy and work to seek justice in their communities. This episode is sponsored by The Good Book Company, publisher of Talking Points: Abortion by Dr Lizzie Ling & Vaughan Roberts. Guest Biography Dr. Kevin Smith leads the staff of the Baptist Convention of Maryland/Delaware. He has experience as a pastor, chaplain, church planter, conference speaker, and short-term missionary. He has studied at Hampton University, the Church of God Theological Seminary, and The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, subsequently serving on Southern’s faculty for over a decade. In 2015, while serving the Highview Baptist Church in Louisville (KY), he was elected president of the Kentucky Baptist Convention. Kevin and his wife, Patricia, have three adult children and two great-nephews. His hobbies include whatever sports his kids were playing and riding his Harley-Davidson motorcycle. His ministry is animated by Jesus’ prayer for the unity of His followers in John 17. Resources from the Conversation Connect with Dr. Smith on Twitter @smithbaptist Learn more about the Baptist Convention of Maryland/Delaware Listen to the New York Time’s The Daily episode on the shooting of Arbery Listen to Slate’s What Next episode on the corruption of justice in this case Read the AJC explainer | What we know so far about the Ahmaud Arbery shooting Read Russell Moore’s article | The Killing of Ahmaud Arbery and the Justice of God Read Baptist Press report by Diana Chandler | Video of Ahmaud Arbery shooting inflames tensions in south Georgia town Read The Dispatch explainer by David French | A Vigilante Killing in Georgia Subscribe to the ERLC’s Capitol Conversations
The local church pastor is in unfamiliar territory. Ministering to both members and to the broader community is a real challenge in light of the Coronavirus threat. In this series of interviews we explore the challenge of ministry as well as the hope we have after it has past. In this episode, I talk with Tom Troth, pastor of Hillcrest Baptist Church in Frankfort, KY. Tom also serves as the legislative agent (i.e., lobbyist) for the Kentucky Baptist Convention. Tom talks about ministry amid COVID-19 as well as how the state has approached this great challenge.
Dr. Kevin Smith leads the staff of the Baptist Convention of Maryland/Delaware. He has experience as a pastor, chaplain, church planter, conference speaker, and short-term missionary. He has studied at Hampton University, the Church of God Theological Seminary, and The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, subsequently serving on Southern’s faculty for over a decade. In 2015, while serving the Highview Baptist Church in Louisville (KY), he was elected president of the Kentucky Baptist Convention. Kevin and his wife, Patricia, have three adult children and two great-nephews. His hobbies include whatever sports his kids were playing and riding his Harley-Davidson motorcycle. His ministry is animated by Jesus’ prayer for the unity of His followers in John 17.Clint’s Church Planting Book: Church Planting ThresholdsTranscriptAlbert Miller: This is the church planning podcast. Thank you for tuning in every week We sit down with leaders who are shaping church planning efforts. Here's your host Josh Turansky and Clint Clifton.Josh Turansky: Hey, welcome to the church planting podcast. My name is Josh Turansky and I'm joined here by Clint Clifton back in the studio Clint Clifton: back in the old Studio. Hey, Josh, how you doing today? I'm doing well. Yeah, how are you doing? I am good really good. Yeah a little bit little bit sick of traffic and Washington and Baltimore where we live.They there's a lot of traffic in this Zone Josh Turansky: there is there's four million people between. DC and Baltimore, I think Clint Clifton: between the two cities? I think seven million in DC and two million in Baltimore. Josh Turansky: yeah two million in Baltimore. Clint Clifton: Yeah. There's a lot of people. We're talking 10 million in the region. Yeah, something like that. Josh Turansky: Wow. It's yeah, it's a lot. So you have written a book on church planting. This is something you've been deeply invested in for most of your life. Yeah, your vocation is church planting. Clint Clifton: So yeah the book really flowed out of the fact that in the church I planted had been planting churches and the guys that were being raised out of the congregation were receiving call the church planting inside my church, were looking to their Pastor to tell them how to do it. And so I would set up a meeting with them. I’d say hey man, let's meet up. I'll teach you how to plant a church. Of course, I didn't know how to tell them how to plant a church. But before that meeting I would have to prepare and so I would just write write stuff up. So I ended up, over the course of the few years with different Church Planters writing specific lessons for that individual person in mind, you know, and that ended up with a little bit more than 40 articles about various subjects the related to church planting. I remember one of the articles was called was called “Johnny the Church Planting Pirate” I just had like these funny for them and they were all on just lessons I learned in church planting - things that I wish I didn't know when I got started. And and they were more practical than they were biblical. I don't mean that to say that they weren't biblical but It was really “just in time” kind of practical training. So anyway, those articles developed into what now is Church Planting Thresholds.So we condensed those articles into ten stages of the church planning process. It starts with calling trying to figure out if you're really called to plant a church in it. Finishes up with multiplication. The the intended purpose. Is that a pastor who wanted to disciple someone in his congregation to plant a church would have a guide to do that with. Throughout the book there are these rectangular boxes in the book and it says, “do this thing now” I was just try to be as practical as possible. You need to overcome this barrier right now. Josh Turansky: Yeah. Now it's a good resource for guys that are out there and that's problem kind of with church planting resources they're not practical and so… Church Planting Thresholds. We’ll share a link to it in the show notes this week. Clint Clifton: There's an audio version of it. There is a Spanish version and a Russian and Amharic version on their way. We're trying to make it available as much as possible and nobody's making any money off the book. We're using all the proceeds to help start churches. And so I just use it liberally will give it away liberally. So just any way we can be helpful to you. Let us know. Josh Turansky: great. Okay, let's talk a little bit about this episode. In this episode you interview Kevin Smith. What's his title? He's like the president of the BCM/D.Clint Clifton: He's the executive director of the BCM/D which is the Baptist Convention of Maryland and Delaware and I feel like this is the time where all the podcast listeners tune out like, “oh a denominational guy” we don't want to hear this. Josh Turansky: Hmm. I hope not. I'm about to this guy Kevin Smith is awesome. Clint Clifton: He is awesome.Josh Turansky: Yeah, and he marches to the beat of his own drum. Clint Clifton: Yes. It does. Josh Turansky: If you follow him on Instagram, you see he drives his Harley around. Clint Clifton: He's a middle-aged African-American man who preaches like nobody's business and he's a fantastic preacher and he drives a Harley. Josh Turansky: But there is there is that push back out there about denominations. I have people that come to my church and then and they say well I was looking for a church that was non-denominational. Denominations have kind of have been seen in a bad light more recently. So so make a pitch for it.Clint Clifton: Yeah. Well, I mean forget the word denomination, just go back to Christianity. Is their biblical precedent for Christians working together you to plant churches and to spread the gospel? President for having compassion on the poor and the vulnerable and the orphan and the Widow? Should Christians do that only in their local church, or should they do that with other Christians? Who share their convictions? Well, obviously almost all of us would say, yes! for sure. You should do that with other Christians. Well, that is what our denomination is. I mean and yeah, granted, denominations have, at times gone off the rails they've done crazy things but the age of denominations is not dead.It's manifesting itself in a new ways with networks and other things but it's definitely not dead. I would argue that it's thriving. Josh Turansky: The denomination that Kevin Smith is a part of. And where he's got a leadership role is not so much about control as much as it's about collaboration.Clint Clifton: It's about collaboration specifically for a mission. A collaboration around the Great Commission. In fact, to be accurate, the Southern Baptist convention as an organization only exists for that one purpose, to collaborate around the Great Commission.Josh Turansky: Yeah, well good.Hopefully the listener gets a lot out of this episode this conversation and I would recommend follow Kevin Smith on Instagram. Clint Clifton: He's a great Twitter follow too. I don’t know if Twitter still thing people use today. He’s super funny and he goes off on rant sometimes about various things. He's real socially aware, but he's also gospel minded.Josh Turansky: He’s definitely got some good input. Especially on races race issues that's not what he's harping on but he's a good voice and if you're a white guy living in the suburbs, planting in the suburbs, pastoring in the suburbs, and maybe your friends are all white you need to follow Kevin's on Twitter.Commercial: Hey Church Planters. Your calling is to plant a church, but churches are also a business auxiliary partners with you to provide one time and ongoing Business Services. Enabling you to stay focused on Mission visit auxilio Partners to learn more about the finances HR and legal compliance services offered and schedule a free consultation. That's auxilio.partners. Mention the church planting podcast to receive a 20% discount.Clint Clifton: Dr. Kevin Smith. Thank you for being with me on the podcast. Dr. Kevin Smith: My pleasure brother. Appreciate you very much. Clint Clifton: Yes, so you have an interesting background and you're just an interesting character in The SBC altogether. There's so many interesting things about you. So I just want to talk about some of those things.So can you can you tell us a little bit about how you got to this situation and that you're in right now? Dr. Kevin Smith: Yes, probably. Almost 28 years ago. Now I desired to plant a church in a public housing development area in Chattanooga, Tennessee and other local pastors that I knew a particular Southern Baptist pastor was the main one who kind of responded with some interest in church planting.Clint Clifton: So we're you telling baps before that. Dr. Kevin Smith: I'll Church a church. I was ordained in was duly aligned with the Southern Baptist convention and the National Baptist convention. Kind of more culturally National Baptist. But in that particular moment now remember talk about 28 years ago church planting is like a buzzword now, it wasn't 28 years ago.And so this Southern Baptist pastor was the only person I knew was talking about church planting and the Tennessee baps convention in North American Mission board had a wonderful partnership. And we planted there in Chattanooga Tennessee Okay, Morris Hill Baptist Church was I'll send the horses sponsor church at that time was the terminology and we were in partnership with the Tennessee baps convention and just went back recently celebrated the 20th anniversary of that church plant.Yes, sir. Clint Clifton: And what was the church plant called Dr. Kevin Smith: love? Baptist church, and we were over in the southeast part of Chattanooga Tennessee, which is my wife's home went from there and doctoral studies at Southern Seminary and then teaching at Southern for well over a decade Clint Clifton: you planted before you went and did your doctor.Dr. Kevin Smith: Yes. Okay. Yes. I was doing my m.div at the Church of God Theological Seminary. So I've got a little Pentecostal spicing me. I have better pneumatology than most Baptist. Then we went to pasture while I was in Louisville past it Watson Memorial Baptist Church about a then probably about a 60 year old historically black congregation brought them in the southern Baptists life out of.Conviction theological conviction and also belief that kind of miss the illogical methodology to reach the nation's with the gospel. Then with the High View Baptist Church as teaching Pastor large mostly white church and African-American in the pulpit and we just had a good time there then had the opportunity to come to Maryland Delaware believe it or not as a pastor.I've always appreciated and always participated at committees and things and state commission life. Life Wayne am everything, but I said, you know, I would never be one of those denominational Geeks and three years ago. I became one of those denominational Geeks the executive director of the Baptist Convention of Maryland, Delaware.We're about 500 plus churches different languages every Sunday probably little bit under 40 different languages are spoken in the Baptist convention, Maryland, Delaware. We had we are a Sin City is within our midst which is Baltimore. If you're not familiar or send cities are our church planting emphasis as Southern Baptist in the 32 largest metro areas in the US population wise we need to add Orlando in.And then I was also we're also bumping up right next door to another Sin City, which is Washington DC our nation's capital. We love the work. I became a denominational nerd because I really. Thrive in like every Kendrick tribe tongue and nation and so how can you take 500 churches different languages different ethnic makeup within the congregation Merlin has some of the wealthiest counties in the country and Maryland has some areas of sharp Parvati.So how do you take all that in Maryland Delaware to States and have a unified Cooperative effort of sharing the gospel in Maryland, Delaware and Beyond to the nation. And so that's why we're here and that's what we're seeking to do. Yeah. Clint Clifton: Why did you why did you start your career out in church planting are your ministry out in church planting?What was it about church planting than originally attracted Dr. Kevin Smith: you.Some of the churches I've been in and then church today. I served briefly had a very insular kind of mindset that fact. I served the church where people use of criticized the congregation for having the attitude of us for no more. And then also there's kind of a sometimes as a success kind of element within American Christianity, which means I want more people but also, A larger budget more money and so it's the gospel is good news to everyone including the poor.I was just real burden for like a congregational life this not just driven by giving units and economic models, but believing that the gospel is for anyone those kind of Errors work are characterized by welfare. Unwed mothers irresponsible guys kind of hanging around the perimeter. And before then I had before I was a pastor.I was a chaplain in the jail. So I've always had a heart for like individuals that I think. Wanting to be successful congregations don't necessarily see how them and so I think the gospel is for everyone. And so we can't have a class element to American Christianity and that was my burden regarding church planting Clint Clifton: but thinking about your context the African-American church context the idea of a young aspiring Pastor going out and planting a church.That Dr. Kevin Smith: was that was foreign Clint Clifton: it well in my mind. You probably received a lot of pushback. Dr. Kevin Smith: Yes. Oh, yeah, I think sometimes churches that have not engaged. I mean there were other churches on the in the areas of this public housing development, but that development wasn't necessarily on their mind all the time or giving priority in their Outreach and then sometimes like.Charges just weren't willing to do whatever it took to reach those people that were in that area particularly people that don't have a church background. Yeah, and so we can't be as traditional as we are used to being and we just had a tremendous burden in a core group of people who desire to reach that area with the gospel some who have grown up in that area and moved out and moved on and some who were from that area and just desired to see a gospel witness in that area.Yeah. Clint Clifton: Well you are. Known for being a pretty clear and outspoken voice on all sorts of matters racial matters. Basically, you just speak your mind on a variety of matters yet. You keep getting elevated and denominational. I for two positions will why is that? What is it? What is it? You know, why can so many other guys that would speak as candidly as you do get.Kind of criticized sharply and shut down and Dr. Kevin Smith: I think one thing is I try as best. I can when we're engaging tough issues. If we're going to convict the consciences of fellow Christians. I think we need biblical language and use biblical categories. And so I tried to address heart issues. In biblical category.So the culture our culture talks about race outer culture talks about racial wreck. I'll culture has a lot of ways of addressing tensions between people of different colors. Where as I've come into those conversations and Ephesians 4. Verse 3 when Paul says Endeavor to keep the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace.And so I want to challenge God's people to do whatever it takes to push forward towards Christian Unity that thing that Jesus prayed for in John chapter 17, so I want to be overly an extremely and rudely biblical and making hard arguments to God's people because I think the word of God and the spirit of God Christ are the only things that will convict our conscience for example.In the areas of class. I want to talk about the way people work together in Acts chapter 2 whether they had a lot or whether they had a little like right now people are barking about what categories you use to understand. Justice in a society or some people. What do you mean by social justice, so I don't like the term social justice of screw all that.Jesus said in the great command love your neighbor. So in your particular Ministry contacts, how are you following that and obeying that one as a follower of Jesus Christ? And if your pastor to how are you leading your congregation to corporately do that. I mean, I don't want to like spend all day whining about categories and languages.Let's use the scripture. And use biblical categories. So however, you term it Jesus said love your neighbor. However, you term it God said in the Old Testament sometimes Israel was acting righteously, sometimes they were acting unrighteously, sometimes they were acting justly sometimes they were acting unjustly.Tickly as regards how they were dealing with the poor. And so I think the best way to have hard conversations as root yourself. In biblical language biblical categories. I'm thankful for the insights of what we would call a common Grace sources scholarship sociology research all those kind of things but we're trying to convict the conscience of a brother or sister.We need to use Clear biblical categories and biblical language Clint Clifton: that's helpful using biblical categories. But when I think about you, I mean I can think of other examples of people who use biblical language biblical categories when they talk yet somehow they're there. Incredibly offencive showing its there's something about you that you can you found that place where you can say the river very hard thing and you can say a very directly usable categories and somehow your received with warmth.Dr. Kevin Smith: I think that's from just being a pastor. Yeah as a pastor of a congregation you're trying to build up God's disciples. You are not trying to win an argument. I think sadly too many brothers. When I say Brothers, I'm still gonna like pastel leaders and just influence by like cable news and the broken dysfunctional bipartisan mess in Washington DC rather than Shepherd like Tendencies of the Lord Jesus Christ or even the way Paul or John or Peter or James with a dress and exhort the.We come into these describe pray we come in these discussions as pastors as Christian leaders seeking to exhort brothers and sisters. And then if we engage in an unbeliever, we come as Witnesses of Christ hoping to gain the hearing of an unbeliever not just to win an argument or offend them. I mean, I'm in Ubers a lot.I'm on airplanes a lot. I mean coffee shops. I go to Harley rallies. I've never seen anyone like bow their knee. And repent to Christ because I won an argument, right? Oh, I show them how their argument was stupid or wrong. People are one to Christ when we highlight Christ Lift Up Christ and extend that offer to them.So I think I hope the pastel sensibilities really leave me in that way, I think about you know, Older sisters that I've passed it. Yeah. Older men that I've pastored young ladies young men. I think both those relationship dynamics of Paul with Timothy treat the older men as father's older women as mothers and younger women with younger women as sisters with all Purity.And so I just try to be mindful of those things. Clint Clifton: Yeah, so there are 42 if I remember right State conventions. Yes in the Southern Baptist convention are. The only African-American leader, I am of those Dr. Kevin Smith: I am a while back the. State exec and California was from Central America and he has resigned but I'm probably I think I'm the first you know.United States of America black afro negro type leader in that setting so, you know, I love of a fully and truly. Southern Baptist convention there was the African-American leader of the District of Columbia Baptist convention, but that's more of a conglomerate of a lot of soup rather than like a Southern Baptist convention.Clint Clifton: Well what has kept you engaged in southern Baptists life as an African American whose convictional clear on racial issues. Certainly, you see some of the problems in the SBC what has kept you engaged Dr. Kevin Smith: just that burden for Jesus prayer in John 17 that his disciples would be one so that the world may know that you have sent me if American Christianity is always from colonial era till now characterized by racial divisions ethnic divisions.Sometimes class divisions. I think that just undercuts our witness to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. That little purpose statement. They are really weighs heavy on me Father. May they be one as you and I are one so that the world may know that you have sent me. I mean we'll have thousands Southern Baptist over here.The annual meeting will be talking about missions and America we talk about missions to the ends of the Earth and a lack of Christian Unity that Grieves the spirit undercuts that mission. Yeah, and so that's why I'm here. I mean, I understand I'm thankful for the seven. Historic black denominations the United States methodists Baptists and Church of God in Christ Pentecostal and I understand how they exist because they came about in the 19th century and the end of the 18th century just because of the racial Strife in our country and I understand why they still exist because they're still racial strife and our country, but me as an individual follower of Jesus Christ.I'm really burdened by John 17 and Ephesians 4. And those are kind of the motivating passages for how I think about engaging the larger body of Christ. Clint Clifton: So talk to the young African-American church planter Pastor that is on The Fringe of association with the SBC and really doesn't think he wants to be involved.Dr. Kevin Smith: What I would say is number one in many scenarios you able to plan. That church because of the Cooperative efforts of Southern Baptist with guava program and I landed strong Antioch strong Easter offering number two.It is so she national level or stay conventional level. There are relationships that you could lean into that would be very edifying and encouraging to you. You know one thing I try to tell people think about the math is 46 thousand plus southern baptist churches. So I mean, it's got to be like crazy uncles and weird cousins, but there's so many other people that would be such an encouragement and.Encouragement to in building up for you. For example, I mean there are over 4,000 congregations in Southern Baptist convention there like mostly African-American or mostly Mexican or mostly Korean or agents. I mean, there's a lot of congregations lot of passes a lot of leaders where you can find great and wonderful fellowship and that's a last of all we all want to encourage each other to the ends of the Earth.I mean, I'm black and people use the terminology African American so I'm concerned about. The gospel on the continent of Africa, especially when corrupt things like the Prosperity Gospel from the pits of hell. I'll try to have influence in Africa. So through the international Mission board my baby, even I have a three-year partnership with the Baptist Convention of Kenya we're able to be in all kinds of countries on the African continent.So if you're concerned about the gospel, if you're concerned about church planting if you want partnership you want other people to be able to push you in those Endeavors. I'm very thankful for. I'll missions methodology and I've seen it bear fruit. Also, I have friends in every denomination.Yeah, and I will say this Paul said we've not yet apprehended. No denomination is heaven and I have friends that every denomination and they can tell you what irritates them in their particular denomination. That's just part of us working working out outside relation with fear and trembling and also.One of those one another's in the scripture says for bear with one another some of that is US putting up with one another. So I'm thankful for black brothers and sisters and the historic. African-American denominations of black church, I'm thankful for African-American brothers and sisters in the Southern Baptist convention.I'm thankful for African-American brothers and sisters and other denomination. I'm thankful for any person who is seeking to lift up the name of Jesus Christ and declare the gospel. And I think if you're about a certain type of missions methodology, the Southern Baptist convention is a wonderful group of brothers and sisters to partner with it's a large family.But it's I think the wonderful group of partner with Clint Clifton: well, we work together. We have had the chance to work together for the last couple years and Baltimore and then in Washington area. So let's just for a minute. Let's make a pitch for our for our cities. Dr. Kevin Smith: Yes, Clint Clifton: and tell people why they should come work with us Dr. Kevin Smith: a few years back.There was the Freddie gray incident in Baltimore that for a lot of people put Baltimore on the map. Since the 1830s Baptist's in Maryland and Delaware have been thinking about big population centers like Baltimore, Maryland Baltimore is a diverse City Baltimore as a transitional. And there's a lot of Brokenness at a lot of different levels of society.And so I would encourage you to pray for cities like Baltimore where we can share the Gospel of Jesus Christ where we can show people that there's dignity and being created in the image and the likeness of God regardless of their status or any of these American measurements of the value of your life, but you are valuable because you are created in God's image and God loved you so much that he sent his son.As the payment for sins that you might be forgiven and have eternal life in him and then down the road. We have Washington DC which is the nation's capital. So obviously there's a lot of trust and worldly power and political power and I would encourage you to pray for church Planters and existing congregations in the DC area because many times as people.Pursue Earthly power pursue political power even sometimes in a corporate world, they can achieve some of their goals and then get to a certain place in life where they where the reality becomes. What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul between Washington and Baltimore.I mean, we have important and wealthy and quote successful people commit suicide have serious drug habits. Struggle with alcoholism are some will just functional alcoholics. And so that it's clear that the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The love of God. The Light of Christ is needed in our area and I would ask you to seriously pray about pray for our churches pray for our efforts.If you're not in that in the area of the country and you have people write raised up in your church, they want to be part of a core group. If you have people raised up in your church, perhaps would like to do an intern or residency and one of our colleagues. Relations and be a church planter. We would love to help you call out the called in the Washington DC Maryland Delaware area.We would love to partner with you and I ask you to consider that yeah, it all field is the field is wide open. Yeah Clint Clifton: all these Stars. Have to align sometimes to make church planting really take off in an area and sometimes those those stars are Financial leadership and all kinds of things but I don't know about you but I feel like in our region right now.There's more alignment than there's ever been. Yes, and I'm excited about the progress that we're seeing the churches that are being planted are being planted by faithful Godly humble joy-filled, you know, tenacious hard-working guys that. Just dedicating themselves and the churches are being a lot more successful in terms of we've seen in the past to so Dr. Kevin Smith: and I'm excited because of many of our Planters have a.Biblical attitude towards loving their neighbor and so they want to do well and they want to bring good. To the public school down the street. They want to bring good to the boys club on the YMCA up the street. They want to bring good to some challenging areas. And as we do that we're able to let our light so shine that people see our good works and glorify our father.So I'm very thankful that we are obeying the Jesus command love our neighbor and we're not fussing about terminology. We're trying to figure out the best way to obey Jesus command in my particular neighborhood. For example, we have churches that can. Go through their name, if you know more of a poor or undeveloped area, we can't we have abilities for congregations to go through neighborhoods and give out smoke detectors.Yeah, okay, we bringing good to the neighborhood because you certainly don't want someone in the unprotected home and we're also providing an Avenue to develop relationships and meet men and women boys and girls in that neighborhood. So I'm very thankful for where we're able to serve. Clint Clifton: So you have been in so many different Arenas you're an academic.You've been a proper Professor. You've done lots of pastoral work. You've started a church. You've let it denominational entity all those things, you know make you a really unique individual and Southern Baptist life and you're an African-American leader all the all those things make you unique, but talk to the church planter for just a minute, you know with the scope of all that you've seen and all those different things and just a couple, you know nuggets of advice if I come off top of your head to the guy who's just.And often church planting and pastoral Ministry. Dr. Kevin Smith: Nothing is more important than the relational emotional spiritual Fellowship that you have with your core team. I know many times. We are excited to launch and we're excited about those kind of things but for the emotional and the spiritual undergirding of a church plant, I think the core team development is so important.So I would encourage any planter as a pastor of a new Gathering of Believers lean into those relationships. Secondly, I would tell you don't despise the day of Small Beginnings because however 22 flush years later my wife and I are still. Of our most substantial relationships with Brothers and Sisters in Christ are people we set up with every Sunday and then broke down with every Sunday.So don't despise the season of setting up and breaking down because you are just like really digging into relationships and then thirdly you just have to find areas. To be engaging people who are not followers of Jesus Christ. I know some of our brothers have spent a lot of time studying at Seminary and they admire their professors and sometimes they really think well, you know how maybe ministry will be a life of study it's a life of study but it's also a life on the street.Yeah. Well you engaging men and women about the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I think those three things are just tremendously valued the core group and. Chip and spiritual under pending matter the relationships you develop in those small days while y'all are setting up and breaking down and then just being a man on the street.I mean no the fire chief know the police chief know the local principal of the middle school elementary school and high school. If you have neighborhood associations know the neighborhood association president those kind of things are vital because the church is geographically somewhere for a reason I believe in the.Warranty of geography God has placed you there for a reason and so know that. Clint Clifton: Dr. Smith. Thank you so much. You're its variation. Dr. Kevin Smith: Thank you. My brother. Josh Turansky: Thank you for listening to the church planting podcast. Don't forget to subscribe and leave a review of your favorite podcast. 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Tyler is joined by pastor Kevin Smith to discuss a number of topics including church planting as well as his new role as the president of the Kentucky Baptist Convention. Episode 101 Original Airdate: JANUARY 23, 2016 Hosts: Jemar Tisby (twitter.com/JemarTisby) Tyler Burns (twitter.com/Burns23) Producer: Beau York (twitter.com/TheRealBeauYork) Learn More: Pass The Mic - www.PassTheMicPodcast.com (twitter.com/_PassTheMic) RAAN - www.RAANetwork.org (twitter.com/RAANetwork) Special Thanks To: Podastery - www.podastery.com (twitter.com/Podastery)
A recap of more state convention meetings, highlight the election of Kevin Smith as the president of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, and interview Micah Fries about the SBC 500.
Join Outdoor TV host Chuck McAlister and Tim Stafford as they meet weekly to discuss the ministries of Promise of Hope, the Kentucky Baptist Convention, Baptist Global Response, affinity evangelism and other subjects that are current in the world of conservative Christianity.
Join Outdoor TV host Chuck McAlister and Tim Stafford as they meet weekly to discuss the ministries of Promise of Hope, the Kentucky Baptist Convention, Baptist Global Response, affinity evangelism and other subjects that are current in the world of conservative Christianity.
Join Outdoor TV host Chuck McAlister and Tim Stafford as they meet weekly to discuss the ministries of Promise of Hope, the Kentucky Baptist Convention, Baptist Global Response, affinity evangelism and other subjects that are current in the world of conservative Christianity.
Join Outdoor TV host Chuck McAlister and Tim Stafford as they meet weekly to discuss the ministries of Promise of Hope, the Kentucky Baptist Convention, Baptist Global Response, affinity evangelism and other subjects that are current in the world of conservative Christianity.
Join Outdoor TV host Chuck McAlister and Tim Stafford as they meet weekly to discuss the ministries of Promise of Hope, the Kentucky Baptist Convention, Baptist Global Response, affinity evangelism and other subjects that are current in the world of conservative Christianity.
Join Outdoor TV host Chuck McAlister and Tim Stafford as they meet weekly to discuss the ministries of Promise of Hope, the Kentucky Baptist Convention, Baptist Global Response, affinity evangelism and other subjects that are current in the world of conservative Christianity.
A panel discussion on church planting partnerships includes J.D. Greear, pastor of The Summit Church in Durham, N.C.,Paul Chitwood (left), executive director of the Kentucky Baptist Convention, and NAMB president Kevin Ezell.