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In this episode, Shaun and Chris welcomes Dr. Daniel Ellenberg, a psychologist, former president of Division 51 of the American Psychological Association, and founder of the Men and Boys Compassion Coalition. The guys discuss compassion, pain and suffering, New Jersey, Strong Boys with Heart, growing up Daniel, the negative perception of compassion in men, Daniel's coming book, "Strength with Heart," with Fred Rabinowitz, and much more!Learn more about Daniel hereLearn about the Men and Boys Compassion Coalition hereGet Mental at 20% discount: http://getmental.com/IYCTF

In this episode, Shaun and Chris sit down with Alex Johnston, philanthropy advisor, author of Money with Meaning, and founder of Building Impact Partners. Alex helps ultra-wealthy individuals bring more joy, purpose, and impact to their giving, but as you'll hear, his deeper work is about human connection and personal transformation. The guys talk about what it means to live with intention, how to grow from childhood wounds, and why moving from fear to joy might be the most important shift a person can make. Alex opens up about his own journey — from valedictorian and Rhodes Scholar to a man who had to slow down, tune in, and redefine success. Along the way, they cover parenting boys in today's world, the challenges of wealth, and the power of small groups to create lasting change.Get Alex's book...Money with MeaningLearn more about Building Impact Partners hereGet Mental at 20% discount: http://getmental.com/IYCTF

In the sixth episode of Season 4, Shaun and Chris sit down with Cathy Cassani Adams to talk about her new book, Restoring Our Girls, a guide for parenting girls ages 12 to 25. Cathy shares insights from her work as a social worker and professor, emphasizing the importance of honest conversations, critical thinking, media literacy, and creating a supportive, non-judgmental space for girls to express themselves. They also discuss the Super Bowl, Zen Parenting Radio, life lessons, the power of sensitivity, staying grounded in our own thoughts and feelings, leading with kindness, and more.Get the book, Restoring Our Girls.Read Cathy's SubstackListen to Zen Parenting RadioGet Mental at 20% discount: http://getmental.com/IYCTF

In the 5th episode of the season, the boys interview Mike Simons, founder of Intonation Music Workshop, Camp for All Kids, and Chris' good friend and bandmate. They discuss Mike's career leading Intonation Music for 15 years, impacting hundreds of kids. They dig into Mike's co-founding of the Pitchfork Music Festival and Camp for All Kids, which provides overnight camp experiences to underrepresented youth, emphasizing the benefits of unplugging from technology and fostering personal growth. Mike's work aims to build trust, community, and life skills in young people.Learn more about Intonation hereLearn more about Camp For All hereGet Mental at 20% discount: http://getmental.com/IYCTF

In this episode, Shaun and Chris interview Captain Chris "Chowdah" Hill, Commanding Officer of the USS Harry S. Truman. Hill was commanding the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower at the time of the recording and recently took command of the Truman. During the conversation, the guys explore Chowdah's manifesto, "The Way of the Warrior Sailor," which emphasizes morale, job satisfaction, and positive relationships. They talk about love, dealing with the enemy, mental health, the challenges and nuances of managing a crew of 5,300 and 2,000 airmen, DEI, social media and more.Learn more about Chris: https://www.linkedin.com/in/capt-chris-“chowdah”-hill-35852752/Follow Chris on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chowdah_hill/?hl=enGet Mental at 20% discount: http://getmental.com/IYCTF

In this episode, Chris and Shaun sit down with Dr. Anson Whitmer, co-founder of Calm and the creator of Mental, our new show sponsor. The boys dig into Anson's journey—his time building Calm, one of the most well-known mindfulness apps, and how that experience led him to create Mental, a platform designed specifically for men's mental health. We also touch on the ever-popular cold shower debate (spoiler: Shaun's not buying it), the challenges of men engaging in self-care, and the importance of taking risks and pushing boundaries.Get Mental at 20% discount: http://getmental.com/IYCTF

In this episode, the guys talk with Amiee Smith Schuster, CEO Bold Heights Solutions. The gang talks about Amiee's work with PGA golfers, michigan/michigan st, big families, "it takes a village," what is success?, hugging trees, "pissing on the present," Crazy Amiee!, golf is hard and more.Learn more about Amiee Smith Schuster and Bold Heights Solutions here.This episode is brought to you by Half Acre Brewery. Check out the wonderful beers on Half Acre's website.

In this first episode of the new year, Shaun and Chris talk with Ashanti Branch, founder of the Ever Forward Club, an Oakland based nonprofit with a mission to address the underlying causes of drop out rates, youth violence, and the growing achievement gap through mentoring and social emotional development. The guys talk about vulnerability, happy hour, the desire to get rich, change of plans, having a calling, masks, the power of phones, the struggles and joys of teaching and entrepreneurship and more.Learn more about Ashanti and the Ever Forward Club hereThis episode is brought to you by Judson & Moore, Family Legacy American Whiskey. Born from Boundless Curiosity. Learn more about Judson & Moore here.

In the latest edition, Chris and Shaun talk with Jonny Imerman, founder of Imerman Angels, a non profit that provides peer-to-peer support for cancer patients and survivors and co-founder of ClozTalk, a B-corp that helps nonprofits promote their causes through branded merchandise and apparel. The guys talk about peer support, cancer, some big cities, connection, storytelling, awareness, Jonny's cancer journey, greek food, brotherly love, and more.Check out Imerman AngelsSupport your favorite non profit (MenLiving?!) at ClozTalkThis episode is brought to you by Half Acre Brewery. Check out the wonderful beers on Half Acre's website.

In this episode, Shaun and Chris talk with Shana James, coach, podcaster, and author of Honest Sex. Their conversation covers vulnerability, communications, coaching men, intentional communities, honesty, mind reading...what is sex actually?, orgasmic lifestyles sprinkles, the Encyclopedia Britannica, the state of men, and more!You can get a free copy of Shana's book here.Listen to her podcasts Man Alive and Practicing Love hereThis episode is brought to you by Half Acre Brewery. Check out the wonderful beers on Half Acre's website.

In this episode, Shaun and Chris talks with Jeremy Smith, Working Dad Course Lead for Mindful Return. The guys talk about being a dad, parental leave, leave and careers, coffee, leave as compensation, the importance of communication and more.Read about Jeremy in this WSJ articleLearn more about Mindful ReturnThis episode is brought to you by Half Acre Brewery. Check out the wonderful beers on Half Acre's website.

In this episode, Chris and Shaun talk with Alex Grodd, founder of The Disagreement. The guys discuss Bill Bradley, curiosity, entrepreneurship, Alex's first start-up: A Better Lesson, education, healthy disagreement, tattoos, free will, rubrics, and more. For more about The Disagreement: https://www.thedisagreement.com/And to check out a Better Lesson: https://betterlesson.comThis episode is brought to you by Half Acre Brewery. Check out the wonderful beers on Half Acre's website.

Back on the show for this season's 13th episode is one of our first guests, Ben Feller. Ben is a father, author, communications consultant, yankee fan and former White House Correspondent. In an always rollicking conversation, the guys discuss Anthony Volpe, transitions, new "jobs," highest and best use of time, corporate "language" strategy, death, self-awareness, curveballs, fathering and more. For more on Ben and his firm, maslansky + partners https://maslansky.com/Check out Ben's book: https://www.amazon.com/Big-Problems-Little-Ben-Feller/dp/088448890XThis episode is brought to you by Half Acre Brewery. Check out the wonderful beers on Half Acre's website.

In episode 12, Shaun and Chris talk with Dr. Jed Diamond, renowned men's health advocate, author, therapist, and founder of both MenAlive and the Moonshot For Mankind. The guys talk about family, how Jed got into working with men, male menopause, the moonshot, the power of technology, hormones, living a long life, irritable males, islands of sanity, etc.Learn more about Jed and his writings at https://menalive.com/The Moonshot For Mankind https://moonshotformankind.org/This episode is brought to you by Half Acre Brewery. Check out the wonderful beers on Half Acre's website.

In this season's 11th episode, Shaun and Chris chat with MenLiving Contributing Members, Facilitators, and brothers, Jason and Jeremy Samatas. The boys explore what it was like growing up Samatas, who was the better athlete, how their relationship developed over the years, their dad's influence, working in and surviving the family business, and more. This episode is brought to you by Half Acre Brewery. Check out the wonderful beers on Half Acre's website.

In this episode, Chris and Shaun interview Adam Nimoy, writer, director, producer, and author of The Most Human, Reconciling With My Father, Leonard Nimoy. Among other topics, the boys explore growing up Spock, the Grateful Dead, The Offspring, the importance of dwellings, 12 step, parenting, love & loss and much more.Get Adam's book, Most Human hereThis episode is brought to you by Judson & Moore, Family Legacy American Whiskey. Born from Boundless Curiosity. Learn more about Judson & Moore here.

In this episode, Shaun and Chris meet with Dr. Gary Barker, Co-Founder and CEO of Equimundo: Center for Masculinities and Social Justice. Among other topics, the boys explore sabbaticals, living in Chicago, being an ally, doing two things at the same time, bravery, Gary's dad, caring for men, gender equity, and more.You can learn more about Gary and Equimundo here.Watch Gary's TedTalk here.This episode is brought to you by Half Acre Brewery. Check out the wonderful beers on Half Acre's website.

This week, Shaun and Chris talk with Bob McKinnon, writer, designer, podcast host, children's author and teacher. Bob and the boys talk about Boston sports, girls' soccer, his new book: America's Dreaming (and his first book, Three Little Engines), his dream to play left field for the Sox, his social mobility and his mission to help others move up, the American Dream, college vs. not college, his daughters' as editors, Mr. Downs, and more.You can learn more about Bob here.Purchase his new book, America's Dreaming hereThis episode is brought to you by Judson & Moore, Family Legacy American Whiskey. Born from Boundless Curiosity. Learn more about Judson & Moore here.

In this episode, the boys talk with Chris' long-time friend, Kate Milliken, founder of MyCounterpane and Moodify. The trio explore Kate's life with multiple sclerosis, her fierce entrepreneurship, her career in film and video production, SNAGs, osteopathic treatment of MS, billionaires, story-telling, community-building, the real impact of peer support. and more.You can learn more about Kate here.This episode is brought to you by Half Acre Brewery. Check out the wonderful beers on Half Acre's website.

In this episode, Chris and Shaun get cozy with Lauren Massarella and Michelle Anderson from the Sister Project, "a place for us sisters and you sisters-from-other-misters to gather, converse, sometimes complain, celebrate superwomen and trade lifestyle tips." The boys and girls discuss religion, the hygge lifestyle, taking care of parents, WIFs, cannabis, therapy, candles, the craziness of our lives, and more.You can learn more about The Sister Project here.This episode is brought to you by Judson & Moore, Family Legacy American Whiskey. Born from Boundless Curiosity. Learn more about Judson & Moore here.

In this latest episode, Shaun and Chris interview Tate Barkley, author of Sunday Dinners, Moonshine, and Men, a memoir. Tate is also a speaker, educator, and a 30-year practicing attorney and a founding partner of Bain & Barkley law firm in Houston, Texas. The guys talk about Tate's relationship with his dad (Bubbas!), religion, being a gay man, his bad ass mom, his addiction, growing up poor, finding Anson and more.You can learn more about Tate and order his book here.This episode is brought to you by Half Acre Brewery. Check out the wonderful beers on Half Acre's website.

On March 19th, author and librarian, John Schu will release his latest book, Louder than Hunger. In this interview, Chris and Shaun talk with John about story, his books, The Voice, Goofy, being a librarian, Blockbuster, his battle with anorexia, how Louder the Hunger parallels his life, and more.Learn more about John hereGet your copy of Louder Than Hunger hereThis episode is brought to you by Judson & Moore, Family Legacy American Whiskey. Born from Boundless Curiosity. Learn more about Judson & Moore here.

In this episode, Shaun and Chris interview Dr. John Duffy, Psychologist, Best-Selling Author, Speaker, and National Media Personality. The guys talk about John's new book, Rescuing Our Sons, 8 Solutions to Our Crisis of Disaffected Teen Boys (A Psychologist's Roadmap), Notre Dame, the origin of John's “uniform,” Bruce Springsteen, his experiences with boys and young men vs. girls and young women, the power of phones, video games, and weed, emotional intelligence, John's brother's suicide, the importance of dads and other male role models, and more.Learn more about John hereGet your copy of Rescuing our Sons hereThis episode is brought to you by Half Acre Brewery. Check out the wonderful beers on Half Acre's website.

In this episode, the boys talk with Jinhyun Shin and Mike Hardin who are traveling the country talking about mental health, loneliness, suicide, and how we can come together to over come it all. They cover Mike's life as a navy seal, his crushing addiction, and path to recovery and Jin's work developing language to make mental health tangible, actionable, and communal. They also get into Penciv, a new social journaling app that Jin has recently co-created.Learn more about PencivThis episode is brought to you by Judson & Moore, Family Legacy American Whiskey. Born from Boundless Curiosity. Learn more about Judson & Moore here.

In the first episode of Season 3, Shaun and Chris talk with Dave Haskin, co-founder of Mindful Man, a Wisconsin-based meditation program. The boys discuss mindfulness, meditation, Bears/Packers, being silent, going to the "range," emerging from addiction, meditation in prisons, Thich Nhat Hanh, and more.Learn more about Dave and Mindful Man and Mindful MenLivingThis episode is brought to you by Half Acre Brewery. Check out the wonderful beers on Half Acre's website.

In this episode, Shaun and Chris discuss Season 2 and the year ahead.

In this episode, Chris and Shaun welcome Angela Saini, award-winning journalist and author of The Patriarchs, Inferior and other science-based books. Angela and the guys discuss pseudoscience, the origin of the patriarchy, teaching at Harvard and MIT, menopause, the role of the sexes, Canadians and more.You can find Angela's books: The Patriarchs here and Inferior hereThis episode is brought to you by Half Acre Brewery. Check out the wonderful beers on Half Acre's website.

In this latest episode, Shaun and Chris talk with Dr. Stephen Trzeciak, co-author of Wonder Drug, 7 scientifically proven ways that serving others is the best medicine for yourself. The guys discuss Chris and Steve's time at Notre Dame, Steve's experience in the ICU, compassion, data nerds and the power of research, burnout, parochial empathy, sarcasm, being a Live to Giver, and more.You can get your copy of Wonder Drug here and Compassionomics hereThis episode is brought to you by Judson & Moore, Family Legacy American Whiskey. Born from Boundless Curiosity. Learn more about Judson & Moore here.

Chris and Shaun talk with Chris' long time friend, Becky Crowe. The boys chat with Becky about her time as an All-American swimmer at Stanford, the implosion of the Pac-12, her life in education, learning new things at 50, teaching refugees to swim and overcome trauma in Lesbos,, "working with the power of love," and more.Learn more about Yoga and Sport with Refugees and the Swim for Good program hereThis episode is brought to you by Half Acre Brewery. Check out the wonderful beers on Half Acre's website.

In episode 14 of season 2, Chris and Shaun talk with Karith Foster, Founder of Inversity Solutions. Karith and the boys discuss the state of DEI, including men in the DEI conversation, being a mom, an entrepreneur, and a stand-up comedian, her time working with Don Imus, using humor to address tough topics and more.Learn more about Karith and Inversity hereThis episode is brought to you by Judson & Moore, Family Legacy American Whiskey. Born from Boundless Curiosity. Learn more about Judson & Moore here.

In this episode, Shaun and Chris talk with Emma Varvaloucas, Executive Director of The Progress Network, a non-profit "building an idea movement that speaks to a better future in a world dominated by voices that suggest a worse one." Emma and the boys talk doom scrolling, living in NYC and overseas, Buddhism, journalism, media and the news, anti-pessimism, and more.Learn more about Emma and the Progress Network hereThis episode is brought to you by Half Acre Brewery. Check out the wonderful beers on Half Acre's website.

For the latest episode, Shaun and Chris interview Chuka Emezue. Chuka is an Assistant Professor, Department of Women, Children and Family Nursing, College of Nursing at Rush University, a writer, and entrepreneur. The guys talk about incels, men and nursing, men and violence, using technology for violence prevention, starting a new family, a global masculinity crisis and more.Learn more about Chuka hereThis episode is brought to you by Judson & Moore, Family Legacy American Whiskey. Born from Boundless Curiosity. Learn more about Judson & Moore here.

In episode 11, Chris and Shaun interview Tonia Rivers, founder of the non-profit, Mothers in Construction, an organization dedicated to supporting mothers in the construction industry and empowering young women by providing advocacy, support, education, awareness, and resources. Tonia shares her career path, the start of her organization, being a military spouse, her love of architecture, the challenges for women in the industry, some of the cool projects she has managed and more.Check out Tonia's organization, Mothers in ConstructionThis episode is brought to you by Half Acre Brewery. Check out the wonderful beers here on Half Acre's website.

In this episode, the boys interview Jim Schneider, writer, father, husband, Packers fan, and Executive Director of the PCI Mountain States chapter, which covers Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Utah, and Wyoming. Chris and Shaun give Jim shit for loving the Packers, explore the creation of his popular blog, learn about the game of Fencebat, discuss raising a neurodivergent child, discover how Jim met his wife, Erin, at The World of Concrete and more. Get your copy of FencebatFollow Honest Parenting Learn more about Erin's coaching services at Mountain Summit CoachingThis episode is brought to you by Judson & Moore, Family Legacy American Whiskey. Born from Boundless Curiosity. Learn more about Judson & Moore here.

In honor of US Open week, Shaun and Chris interview Shaun's brother, Dean, PGA Tour caddie for young Georgian, Davis Thompson, who will be making his first US Open appearance. The guys talk about what it was like growing up Emerson, Dean's crazy path to being a caddy, the holy trinity of showing up, keeping up, and shutting up, the possibility of carrying a bag at 72, the struggles of doing math in his head, and life as Kid Dynamite.Follow Dean on InstagramBuy Dynamite merchandiseThis episode is brought to you by Judson & Moore, Family Legacy American Whiskey. Born from Boundless Curiosity. Learn more about Judson & Moore here.

In this episode, Chris and Shaun talk with Chris' good friend and bandmate, Dr. Jon Sherman or "Sherm." The guys discuss the power of camp, humor in therapy, treating eating disorders, the absurdity of marriage, working with couples vs. women vs. men and a whole lot more.This episode is brought to you by Judson & Moore, Family Legacy American Whiskey. Born from Boundless Curiosity. Learn more about Judson & Moore here.

The boys have a raucous conversation with Pawley Bornstein, inspirational recovery comedian, host of the RecoveryCast podcast and Alumni Coordinator for Glenbeigh Hospital in Cleveland, Ohio. The guys discuss Ohio roots, Pawley's history with addiction, addiction recovery, Pawley's former job as big market radio host, RecoveryCast, why it's important to love shit sandwiches, cats and more.Listen to Pawley's RecoveryCast hereThis episode is brought to you by Half Acre Brewery. Check out the wonderful beers here on Half Acre's website.

In episode 6, Chris and Shaun talk with Dr. Jason Frishman, therapist and founder of the JourneyMen Foundation. The guys cover Jason's work as a therapist, the power of summer camp, the importance of raising good sons and dads, the beauty of Vermont, adventure therapy and the mission of the JourneyMen Foundation and more.Learn more about Jason and the JourneyMen Foundation here. This episode is brought to you by Judson & Moore, Family Legacy American Whiskey. Born from Boundless Curiosity. Learn more about Judson & Moore here.

In episode 5, the fellas interview Joe Conrad, founder and CEO of Denver-based Cactus and Grit Digital Health. Joe shares the origin story of his businesses and Man Therapy, the CDC study analyzing the effectiveness of Man Therapy, the tools Grit is developing to serve the mental health crisis everywhere (for kids, businesses etc) and more.Learn more about Cactus hereand Grit Digital Health hereThis episode is brought to you by Half Acre Brewery. Check out the wonderful beers here on Half Acre's website.

In episode 4, The boys talk with Nico Lagan. Nico is an entrepreneur, men's coach, Muay Thai instructor, author of the new book, Purpose, and host of The Nico Lagan Show podcast. The guys explore the concept of purpose, Nico's years alone in the woods, his life on the road, what it means to be a good man, what he seeks to offer men and more.Learn more about Nico and his new book hereThis episode is brought to you by Judson & Moore, Family Legacy American Whiskey. Born from Boundless Curiosity. Learn more about Judson & Moore here.

In episode 3, Chris and Shaun talk with Matthew Quick, author of We Are The Light, Silver Linings Playbook and 7 other outstanding novels. Matthew is a powerful guest and the guys talk about his latest book, WATL, masculinity and feminitity, Jungian psychology, the writing process, getting sober, working in Hollywood with Harvey Weinstein and more. Not to be missed.Find Matthew's work hereThis episode is brought to you by Half Acre Brewery. Check out the wonderful beers here on Half Acre's website.

In this episode, Chris and Shaun talk with Shawn Woodin, MenLiving contributing member and facilitator, husband, father, business executive and author of the novel, Father, Son, Broken Spirit. The boys cover Shawn's work in Peace Corps, the process of writing a novel over 20 years, religion, carnivals, R.E.M and more.You can purchase Shawn's book here.This episode is brought to you by Judson & Moore, Family Legacy American Whiskey. Born from Boundless Curiosity. Learn more about Judson & Moore here.

In episode 1 of season 2, Shaun and Chris interview Dr. Susan Engel, author of The Hungry Mind and the Senior Lecturer in Psychology; Senior Faculty Fellow, Rice Center for Teaching, The Class of 1959 Director of Program in Teaching at Williams College. The boys have a delightful conversation with Susan about curiosity, the educational system, the pandemic, kids being behind (or not), building teachers and her new class, Suckers and Scammers.Check out more about Susan here.This episode is brought to you by Half Acre Brewery. Check out the wonderful beers here on Half Acre's website.

In Episode 25, the final episode of the season, Shaun and Chris review who they've met, what they've learned, the days ahead, and their plan for selling the podcast to Amazon for $80M (

It's episode 24 and the guys are talking with the legendary Byron Katie. Katie is the founder of the Work, a simple process of inquiry for alleviating suffering and gaining joy and freedom. Chris and Shaun talk with Katie about her transformation, the impact the Work has had on millions over the last 40 years, and Katie "Works" through a very personal situation.You can learn more about Katie here.This episode is brought to you by Half Acre Brewery. Check out the wonderful beers here on Half Acre's website.

In Episode 23, the boys are joined by Dr. Maggie Emerson, Assistant Professor and an ANCC board certified Advanced Practice Psychiatric Nurse Practitioner at the University of Nebraska Medical Center. Dr. Emerson specializes in the delivery of Integrated Care and is a co-founder of the MIND database, a site dedicated to rating and reviewing mental health apps. Maggie, Chris and Shaun discuss the staus of mental health in the US, telehealth vs. in person care, the MIND database and the quality of mental health apps, and more.You can learn more about Maggie hereCheck out the MIND database hereThis episode is brought to you by Judson & Moore, Family Legacy American Whiskey. Born from Boundless Curiosity. Learn more about Judson & Moore here

In Episode 22, Chris and Shaun talk with Darryl Postelnick aka TikTok's Cooking With Darryl. They discuss Darryl's social media rise, his work with Disney and Microsoft, gadgets, his and Shaun's friendship, how he interacts with his 2.7M followers and how funny he is (or thinks he is!).This episode is brought to you by Half Acre Brewery. Check out the wonderful beers here on Half Acre's website.Darryl's TikTok Channel https://www.tiktok.com/@cookingwithdarryl?lang=enThe Cooking with Darryl website https://cookwithdarryl.com

In this episode, Chris and Shaun are joined by friend and MenLiving Executive Director, Todd Adams, to explore the last lecture of Father Michael Himes. Father Himes was a theologian, philosopher and an instructor at both the University of Notre Dame and Boston College. He made an enormous impact on Chris when he was a student at Notre Dame and on all of us as fans of his "last lecture." They discuss integrity, friendship, giving one's self, tell me your story, uttering the definitive message and more.This episode is brought to you by Judson & Moore, Family Legacy American Whiskey. Born from Boundless Curiosity. Learn more about Judson & Moore hereLearn more about Father Himes hereListen and watch the full last lecture here

In this latest episode, the guys meet with Dr. Saed Hill, Assistant Director of Prevention and Masculine Engagement for Northwestern University's CARE program. The conversation covers Saed's upbringing, the NU Men's program, sexual consent, prevention vs. engagement, smoked meat, restrictive masculinity and more...Learn more about Dr. Saed Hill, and his NU Men program, a critical examination of masculinity.This episode is brought to you by Half Acre Brewery. Check out the wonderful beers here on Half Acre's website.

In Episode 19, Chris and Shaun talk with Chris' old friend, Jason Ronai, author of Endless Teachable Moments, a new book of poetry on the power and art of sport. The fellas cover Jason's sports history, coaching, parenting, the beauty of sport, and facing tragedy and more....Get Jason's book, Endless Teachable Moments here

In episode 18, Shaun and Chris talk with Paul Sullivan, the founder of The Company of Dads, an inclusive community for Lead Dads. In addition to discussing the Company's mission and activities, the guys explore Paul's previous career as a columnist with the New York Times, growing up in Massachusetts, middle school, his books, Clutch and the Thin Green Line, hats, emotional labor, and golf.This episode is brought to you by Half Acre Brewery. Check out the wonderful beers here on Half Acre's website.To learn more about the Company of Dads and Paul on their website: https://thecompanyofdads.com/