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! JOIN SHERI HORN HASAN FOR all the Astro News You Can Use @ https://www.karmicevolution.com/astrologically-speaking podcast!ANY WAY THE WIND BLOWS, EVERYTHING YOU DON'T KNOW TURNS INTO A REVELATIONThe Scorpio New Moon, which occurred at 28-degrees 12-minutes Scorpio at 10:47 p.m. PT November 19 & 1:47 a.m. ET November 20, opposed Uranus retrograde at 29-degrees 29-minutes of Taurus, known as the “Pleiades point” in Greek mythology. Found in the Taurus constellation, the seven weeping sisters represent “blindness”--sometimes literally, more often metaphorically.So, Mercury retrograde's reentrance into the 29th degree of Scorpio on November 18/early November 19--when Mercury then exact opposed Uranus Rx @ 29 Taurus seem now in hindsight to have represented a “once I was blind but now I can see” moment. .Astrologically speaking this Mercury/Uranus opposition aspect alone told us that something unusual, something sudden & potentially shocking was likely to happen as we approached this Scorpio New Moon. This was then confirmed as we waxed toward today's exact Sun/Uranus opposition on November 21.And, sure enough, it was as these aspects waxed in strength & as we approached the Scorpio New Moon that President Trump—who'd formerly insisted these Epstein documents were a “Democratic hoax”—announced his unexpected turnaround. Suddenly, after realizing that resistance was futile, he was all for passage of “The Epstein Files Transparency Act” & declared that he would sign the bill when it reached his desk.And so he did on November 19, just before the Scorpio New Moon arrived. Now this month's lunation directs us to plant seeds that allow us to gain a greater sense of self-empowerment—both individually & collectively—but that such empowerment will come with some surprising revelations as we face our hidden shadows. Shadows to which we've previously been blind, given this lunation's opposition to Uranus retrograde at the 29 Taurus Pleiades degree--as they emerge suddenly, & perhaps shockingly, into the light of day.For Donald Trump, who experienced this lunation in his Pluto/Scorpio-ruled 4th House of early psychological roots opposing transiting Uranus in his 10th House of reputation in the wider world & square to his Leo Ascendant (appearance to others) & fixed star Regulus, it the message now seems clear.His popularity waning, his strong-arm tactics shot down in courts, his inability to understand the definition of “affordability” in the economic realm, his thirst for revenge & warlike tactics both domestically & internationally, the question becomes whether this is the beginning of the end for him. He is, after all, now considered political a “lame duck”—one who's constitutionally prevented from running for president again, despite acting like the U.S. Constitution doesn't exist.YOU WATCH & YOU WAIT, & PRAY FOR THE DAY…With transiting Uranus retrograde now square Donald Trump's Leo Ascendant & fixed star Regulus—which at his birth conjoined his Ascendant in Leo—Trump is now facing what Regulus traditionally represents--which is king maker & (potentially) king breaker. Fixed star Regulus, considered one of the four royal stars by the ancient Persians, has a connotation with "Watcher of the North," & as such was seen as a guardian star, which brought honor and success. However, Regulus carried the warning that succumbing to vengeful impulses would diminish its blessings. In short, seeking & gaining power was in its purview, but that power would be lost if such a person resorted to revenge of his or her perceived enemies.Given that transiting Uranus first squared Trump's Leo Ascendant/Regulus on June 17, 2025, he's already taken the first hit. However, his second exact square occurred on November 7, the day he pardoned 70+ people who'd been instrumental in his “stop the steal” elector scheme leading to the U.S. Capitol insurrection on January 6, 2021. Next he's gone after his political opponents for doing their jobs, such as former FBI Director James Comey, NYS Attorney General Letitia James, & more, as he seeks revenge against those attempting to hold him legally accountable for his own wrongdoings.What's important to realize now is that Uranus, which remains retrograde in Taurus until February 3, 2026, will once again comes into orb of squaring his Leo Ascendant/Regulus between April 6-25, 2026. It's on April 26 of next year that Uranus direct reenters Gemini for the duration of its transit there.The point is that Trump is not done yet with his potential fall from grace, based on ancient archetypal astrological calculations which foretell a diminished future for him, to put it diplomatically. What that will look like exactly is hard to say, as he's always been extremely lucky despite his mafioso tendencies.Astrologer Rob Hand generally describes the Uranus square to one's Ascendant in his book “Planets In Transit” as one that “…is likely to have a very disruptive effect on your relationships. Influences may enter your life, either through your home or your profession, that will challenge the foundations upon which your life is built. This challenge will be reflected in surprising encounters with others that upset your way of living or in sudden separations from person who you thought would remain in your life for some time.” I'll leave it to you, gentle reader, to suss out the direction from which the who, what, where, how, & when of these challenges for Trump. All I ask is that you keep this particular transit in mind as we approach the early spring next year… YOU CAN'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT, BUT IF YOU TRY SOMETIMES, YOU GET WHAT YOU NEEDNow, as we head into this month's Scorpio themed lunar cycle, we might be mindful that Mercury's still retrograde in Scorpio until it stations direct on November 29, Neptune's retrograde in Pisces until December 10, Uranus remains retrograde until February 3, 2026, & Jupiter's still retrograde in Cancer until March 10, 2026.While these retrogrades always ask us to review, Mercury Rx in Scorpio has clearly brought a lot of vitriolic language to the forefront. The point is that now we can recognize such language for what it is—the deeply violent not-so-shadow side of Donald Trump when he calls for the death of his political opponents by saying they should be hanged for telling the military not to follow illegal orders.Meanwhile, however, just before Mercury stations direct again on November 29, Saturn will station direct in Pisces November 27. We continue now to review our plans for the future (Mercury Rx), & strengthen our connection to what's real versus fantastical thinking (Neptune Rx.) In addition, we experience the shattering of “smug ideals which will not withstand true, objective clarity,” as Jungian astrologer Erin Sullivan puts it in her book “Retrograde Planets” (Uranus Rx.) And we continue to review what is our TRUE inner sense of morality, ethics, & integrity--versus that which society tells us is moral & just—& bring such inner knowing into greater consciousness (Jupiter Rx.)When Saturn stations direct at 29'09” Pisces, it will remain “within the same degree for almost six weeks on either side of the station,” according to Sullivan. “Upon its direction, one might feel as if moving in slow motion.” Despite this, something new will have “been born, but it will need a few months to become consciously manifest,” she notes.When Saturn direct reaches the degree at which it originally stationed, or 1'56” Aries, by March 2, 2026, we'll be able to see the completion of previous plans which seemed stalled during the retrograde, according to Sullivan. “Alternatively, a tentative plan or fantasy may come to reality in the last stages of the cycle,” Sullivan points out, adding “negatively, it will finish off any antiquated or non-productive relationship, projects, or activities,” as “outmoded & evening damaging values or relationships long past their productive stage do end,” she concludes.Given that the Sun entered Jupiter-ruled Sagittarius November 21, Jupiter's retrograde in Cancer has the Sadge archetype as its dispositor until the Sun moves on & into Capricorn December 21. However, since Jupiter's retrograde in Moon-ruled Cancer lasts until March 10, 2026, it's then we'll begin to realize how plans made prior to its station retrograde on November 11 have contracted rather than expanded. The point of Jupiter's retrograde period—if we are striving for greater consciousness in our lives—is that it's the period which leads us to better understand that we don't always get what we want, but that we will more often get what we need. It's knowledge--& acceptance—of the difference between these two that gives us the advantage as we navigate our lives.In terms of the U.S. Government's current administration, this bodes well, don't you think? The current administration's plans to shrink the government, eliminate diversity, equity, & inclusive policies, to hunt down & jail or deport immigrants here legally, to deny educational institutions federal funding, continue to promote misogyny, & to have the president continually profit financially from his foreign cryptocurrency deals--& so much more—is a WANT.But going after Donald Trump's political adversaries, & ignoring his own policy's negative economic effects with zero regard for his nation's citizens well-being might not be exactly what his soul actually needs, lol. Especially since he was born with a wounded Jupiter by virtue of its tight conjunction to Juno, the sign of partnership, & Chiron, the wounded healer in his 2nd House of values. If we take note of all these astrological happenings as they pertain to life here in the

In this episode, Marcus Aurelius Anderson sits down with executive coach Bahar to explore the power of shadow work in leadership and personal growth. Bahar shares her expertise in psychology, neuropsychology, and functional medicine, discussing how leaders can overcome internal obstacles, foster resilience, and create lasting transformation in themselves and their organizations. Key Highlights: 3:25 — The importance of shadow work for leaders and organizations 8:40 — How childhood patterns shape adult behavior and leadership 16:08 — The five survival strategies: fight, flight, freeze, fawn, fall apart 29:06 — Jungian psychology and the origins of shadow work 38:24 — Bahar’s personal journey through adversity and self-discovery 1:03:00 — The Alexander Method and integrating psychology, neurobiology, and coaching 1:23:00 — Executive presence, self-awareness, and transformation in leadership 1:40:00 — Bahar’s new book and course: Leadership Magnetism 1:53:00 — Advice for leaders on job transitions and finding meaning Bahar is an executive coach and master performance coach with a background in psychology, neuropsychology, epigenetics, shadow work, and functional medicine. She specializes in helping leaders and organizations remove internal obstacles to mastery, focusing on deep transformation rather than just skill-building. Bahar is the creator of the Alexander Method and the course "Leadership Magnetism," and is dedicated to empowering individuals to achieve personal and professional success through self-awareness and resilience. Learn more about the gift of Adversity and my mission to help my fellow humans create a better world by heading to www.marcusaureliusanderson.com. There you can take action by joining my ANV inner circle to get exclusive content and information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Send us a textReady to trade hesitation for momentum? Julius takes us to the edge of comfort and names the leap: escape velocity, the instant you decide to outgrow fear and become more. We reframe libido through a Jungian lens as life energy—motivation that fuels creativity, connection, and change—so you can stop waiting for inspiration and start generating it.I share how this show began: tired of yelling at the screen, I hit record, learned in public, and then stepped into teaching relationship anarchy. Along the way came the messy parts—awkward first videos, nerves before classes, and the real drag of burnout. We get practical about spotting dissociation, building routines that stick, and using metrics to see what's actually working. If you've ever lost weeks to naps and scrolling, you'll hear a compassionate plan to recover capacity without shaming yourself.We dive into fear as a leftover survival reflex, not a modern oracle, and practice small social “reps” that rebuild confidence through action. For the neurodivergent crew, I offer focus tactics that honor novelty while creating daily traction: keep the big list, pick one priority, and move it first. Expect friction and boredom, then meet both with discipline, not drama. Creativity counts as progress, money goals can be honest fuel, and gratitude stabilizes the ride. The thesis is simple: desire sets direction, discipline creates thrust, and community multiplies courage.If this sparks something, subscribe, rate, and share it with a friend who needs a nudge. Tell me the one risk you'll take this week—DMs are open—and leave a review so more campsters can find the fire. Got a burning question about kink, BDSM, relationships, and/or navigating the wild world of alternative lifestyles? Send in your questions. No topic is too taboo, no curiosity too small! We're all making mistakes, growing, and exploring together!Submit your questions anonymously at aroundthekinkykampfire@yahoo.com or slide into our DMs at Twitter-KinkyKampfire, YT-AroundtheKinkyKampfire, IG-KampfireKinksters. Let's keep the fire going! Support the showCome let us know what you think! - IG -https://www.instagram.com/kampfirekinksters/ Yahoo - aroundthekinkykampfire@yahoo.com

In this episode, Marcus Aurelius Anderson sits down with executive coach Bahar to explore the power of shadow work in leadership and personal growth. Bahar shares her expertise in psychology, neuropsychology, and functional medicine, discussing how leaders can overcome internal obstacles, foster resilience, and create lasting transformation in themselves and their organizations. Key Highlights: 3:25 — The importance of shadow work for leaders and organizations 8:40 — How childhood patterns shape adult behavior and leadership 16:08 — The five survival strategies: fight, flight, freeze, fawn, fall apart 29:06 — Jungian psychology and the origins of shadow work 38:24 — Bahar’s personal journey through adversity and self-discovery 1:03:00 — The Alexander Method and integrating psychology, neurobiology, and coaching 1:23:00 — Executive presence, self-awareness, and transformation in leadership 1:40:00 — Bahar’s new book and course: Leadership Magnetism 1:53:00 — Advice for leaders on job transitions and finding meaning Bahar is an executive coach and master performance coach with a background in psychology, neuropsychology, epigenetics, shadow work, and functional medicine. She specializes in helping leaders and organizations remove internal obstacles to mastery, focusing on deep transformation rather than just skill-building. Bahar is the creator of the Alexander Method and the course "Leadership Magnetism," and is dedicated to empowering individuals to achieve personal and professional success through self-awareness and resilience. Learn more about the gift of Adversity and my mission to help my fellow humans create a better world by heading to www.marcusaureliusanderson.com. There you can take action by joining my ANV inner circle to get exclusive content and information.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What if the stories of our ancestors are still shaping us - and still shaping the dogs who walk beside us?In this Samhain-timed episode of Mystic Dog Mama, I sit down with Irish mythologist and anthropologist Jen Murphy, founder of The Celtic Creatives. Rooted in her grandmother's storytelling and decades of study in Celtic mythology, anthropology, and Jungian psychology, Jen helps people remember their shining soul by bringing ancient wisdom into modern life.Together, we explore:

Dreams are the language of the soul. Join us in conversation with Jungian analys & mandala artist, Dr. Mai Breech, for a conversation on Jungian dream interpretation & why it matters. Dr. Breech is a licensed clinical psychologist and holds a PsyD in Clinical Psychology from Pacifica Graduate Institute. She completed her pre- and post-doctoral training at the C.G. Jung Institute of Los Angeles, and has been working with orphans and foster children. In 2007, she founded the Children's Art Village, a grassroots non-profit organization that provides art and music to children in Ghana, India, and Nepal. Currently, Mai is an advisor to administrators and staff at a Sense of Home, a nonprofit home creation for former foster youth. Dr. Breech has a private practice in West Los Angeles where she works with children, adolescents, and adults, as well as an integrative practice where she incorporates somatic work, art, sand play, active imagination, and dream interpretation. For the past 18 years.

I welcome several amazing Jungians during the darkening season to discuss a groundbreaking book, Soul Lore of the North: Towards a Synthesis of Jungian Psychology and the Way of the Hero. We'll explore the intersection of Old Norse soul lore and Jungian depth psychology, revealing how ancient mythic frameworks can illuminate the modern psyche. Through themes such as the structure of the soul, the role of spirit-companions, and the heroic journey inward, we'll offer a transformative path to healing and self-discovery. You're invited to walk the shadowed trail of the unconscious, guided by ancestral wisdom and the archetypal quest for wholeness. My astral guests— Cherlyn Jones: https://cljwilson.substack.com/ David Lee: https://linktr.ee/david23lee Ian Read Get The Occult Elvis: https://amzn.to/4jnTjE4 Virtual Alexandria Academy: https://thegodabovegod.com/virtual-alexandria-academy/ Gnostic Tarot Readings: https://thegodabovegod.com/gnostic-tarot-reading/ The Gnostic Tarot: https://www.makeplayingcards.com/sell/synkrasis Homepage: https://thegodabovegod.com/ Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/aeonbyte AB Prime: https://thegodabovegod.com/members/subscription-levels/ Voice Over services: https://thegodabovegod.com/voice-talent/ Support with donation: https://buy.stripe.com/00g16Q8RK8D93mw288 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Send us a textIn this powerful conclusion to the Shadow Into Light series, host Andrea Atherton takes you deep into the sacred process of healing your shadow through the lens of Internal Family Systems (IFS) and Jungian psychology. Discover how the parts of yourself you once rejected, the jealous one, the controller, the avoider, are not your enemies but wounded protectors longing for compassion. Andrea explores how IFS provides a roadmap for integrating these parts into conscious wholeness, offering a bridge between Carl Jung's wisdom of shadow integration and Dr. Richard Schwartz's transformative IFS model.Through storytelling, Andrea brings to life a couple's journey from reactivity to reconnection. You'll witness how two partners learned to pause, unblend from their protectors, and speak from their Higher Selves, turning conflict into an opportunity for healing. This episode dives into the roles of protectors, managers, and exiles, showing how love deepens when both people learn to witness and soothe each other's inner worlds. With poetic warmth and psychological depth, Andrea invites listeners to see relationships as sacred mirrors where the shadow can be integrated, not feared.Join Andrea as she guides you toward Self-led intimacy, where love becomes less about perfection and more about presence. Whether you're a therapist, couple, or spiritual seeker, this episode will illuminate how embracing your shadow creates emotional safety, lasting connection, and true inner freedom. 30-minute Consultation with Andrea https://www.andreaatherton.com/booking-calendarAndrea Atherton Websitehttps://www.andreaatherton.com/Love Anarchy Websitehttps://www.andreaatherton.com/podcasthttps://loveanarchypodcast.buzzsprout.comLove Anarchy Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/loveanarchypodcast/Andrea Atherton Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/andreaatherton-17/

The following is a summary of the podcast excerpts, incorporating the requested format and terminology changes:The speaker, currently looking for an ideal location to paint landscapes on horizontal canvases, reflects on connections between personal experience and media narratives.The speaker recounts a "weird coincidence" involving finding the perfect painting location after thinking about the name Virgil:While driving and listening to a podcast through a single earbud, the speaker was focused on Jungian psychology—specifically, descriptions of life events as an "alchemical process to trigger psychic integration".The calm voice in the ear felt like a guide, perfectly describing the processes the speaker was concurrently experiencing, similar to how Virgil guides Dante through Hell in the Divine Comedy.The speaker realized this connection after having recently thought about the Divine Comedy cycle (Hell, Purgatory, Paradise).As soon as the speaker thought the name "Virgil," they saw a cross on the side of the road with the name Virgil on it, marking the location that turned out to be the "ideal spot for this painting".The speaker plans to return later, closer to sunset, when the mountains "turn red" for optimal lighting.The speaker provided updates on the 24-hour live stream initiative, noting that the focus is currently the "recruitment phase":The speaker has replayed 11 hours and 9 minutes, and is currently uploading a 4-hour live stream, bringing the total content to 15 hours, with the goal of reaching a full 24 hours by the end of the week.The live stream is intended to work out bugs before heavy promotion.It will always be live on X (pinned on the IPS thinktank account) and comments will be relayed into a separate Discord live chat thread.New content, including archived group chats and "10-minute videos where I break down specific components, you know, world stage, meta script, history bending," will be added to the 24/7 stream.The core of the discussion involves challenging the limitations of mainstream and alternative media views, which the speaker defines as a duopoly and a "closed system".The Failure of Skepticism:The speaker argues that critical examination of presented evidence is routinely avoided:Default responses to connections are "canned responses" used by those defending the "matrix" against "mind viruses"—ideas like the premise of fake staged events.True skeptics would create a "steelman argument" based on the best evidence presented and then attempt to destroy it.Instead, critics rely on ad hominem fallacies like claiming the speaker is "crazy," has a "tin foil hat on," or is in an "internet echo chamber". The World Stage Model and "Parallel Media":The speaker frames the media landscape using several metaphorical models to explain how systemic fakery and Psyops are concealed:Duopoly and Control: The duopoly (mainstream and alternative) are passive receivers of content; the "alternative is a subset of the mainstream". The speaker's work offers "parallel media," questioning the infrastructure that creates narratives for both sides.Seekers vs. Believers: The duopoly produces believers who accept conclusions from chosen sources, while the speaker and colleagues are seekers who confront "known unknowns" and become the "informed disbeliever". Conspiracy theorists, by contrast, rush to fill knowledge gaps with "alternative facts".Plato's Cave: The world stage is a modern interpretation where mainstream media displays "shadows on the wall," and alternative media provides an "adjacent cave on the way out with alternative shadows". Those who exit the entire cave system are deemed crazy by the "Plato's cave dwellers".Westworld Syndrome: People who refuse to confront "long-term media manipulation, how systemic it is and evidences for it" suffer from Westworld syndrome. Their programmed response to evidence that would deconstruct their false model is, "That doesn't look like anything to me".

In this episode of Hunger for Wholeness, Robert Nicastro welcomes back theologian, minister, and director of Process and Faith, Dr. Sheri Kling, for a rich conversation on the power of theology to renew spiritual life in a fragmented world.Sheri shares the story behind Renewing Faith, a newly released collection of essays emerging from a 2025 conference that brought together voices exploring how process and open and relational theology can breathe new life into Christian practice. Together, she and Robert unpack how these movements offer a vision of God not as a distant, all-controlling force, but as a deeply relational presence—persuasive, not coercive, and intimately involved in the unfolding of creation.Throughout the episode, Sheri explains key theological ideas in everyday terms, weaving in science, mysticism, and lived experience. She reflects on her own journey from Jungian psychology to process thought, and how this path gave her a more integrated, healing view of God, suffering, and spiritual wholeness.Later, Sheri offers a profound reimagining of divine power—sharing a story from Proverbs of Ashes that illustrates how a theology of persuasive love can make space for grief, agency, and hope.ABOUT SHERI KLING“We are a fragmented people in a fragmented world—but when we begin to think with a more integrative, relational vision of reality, faith can come alive again. We discover that we matter, we belong, and we can participate in the sacred work of a whole-making cosmos.”Sheri D. Kling, Ph.D., is a writer, theologian, songwriter, and spiritual teacher who serves as director of Process & Faith with the Center for Process Studies, interim minister of Redeemer Lutheran Church in Bradenton, Florida, and teaches regularly for the Haden Institute and Claremont School of Theology, from which she earned her doctorate. She is the author of A Process Spirituality: Christian and Transreligious Resources for Transformation and editor of Renewing Faith: Reigniting Faith and Ministry through Process and Open & Relational Theologies. She speaks, teaches, and leads retreats on spirituality, theology, and transformation, and her work can be found online at sherikling.com and her Substack, The Sacred Everywhere.Ilia Delio's upcoming webinar, The Christian Mutation: Why God Cannot Be Static, asks whether Christianity has traded the revolutionary God of Jesus for a safe abstraction. She explores instead a God who becomes with us: relational, vulnerable, and love in movement. Join us Thursday, December 4, 5:00–6:30 p.m. ET. Learn more and register at christogenesis.org/webinar.Support the showA huge thank you to all of you who subscribe and support our show! Support for A Hunger for Wholeness comes from the Fetzer Institute. Fetzer supports a movement of organizations who are applying spiritual solutions to society's toughest problems. Get involved at fetzer.org. Visit the Center for Christogenesis' website at christogenesis.org/podcast to browse all Hunger for Wholeness episodes and read more from Ilia Delio. Follow us on Facebook and Instagram for episode releases and other updates.

In this heartfelt episode of the mi365 Podcast, Pete Cohen brings together a circle of lifelong friends — Billy Schwer, Andy Selling, and Michelle Humphrey — for an open and deeply human conversation about friendship, connection, and the importance of being in each other's corner. Alongside them is Toby, Michelle's 18-year-old son, standing at the beginning of his adult journey, surrounded by people who genuinely want to see him thrive. Together, they explore how friendships evolve over time, the balance between independence and connection, and the healing power of truly being seen, heard, and supported. In This Episode

Jungian psychoanalyst Murray Stein, Ph.D. returns to us from Zürich, Switzerland to discuss his latest book, Jung and Alchemy: A Path to Individuation. And later, I'm joined by Jungian psychoanalyst Steven Herrmann, Ph.D. to discuss his new book, Murray Stein: Individuation, Transformation, and the Ways to the Self in Jungian Psychology.

JOIN SHERI HORN HASAN to find out what all Astro News You Can Use this portends post by listening to this week's podcast: https://www.karmicevolution.com/astrologically-speaking which drops November 7!This podcast reviews the astro energies—including the Mars/Uranus opposition--that led to a major wakeup call resulting from the U.S. off year elections on November 4. This wakeup call was for everyone: Both those in power & those who disagree with their policies.The Medias Touch news organization put it best: “Tuesday's results were an electoral victory for Democrats, but even more, they were a reaffirmation of democracy itself.” Thus, we had the awakening amongst those in power who seem to suddenly realize that depriving people of resources such as food & healthcare is not going to happen without pushback.And, we had the revelation amongst voters who disapprove of being starved, denied affordable healthcare, & made sick from watching people dragged off the streets & jailed—or worse yet deported--without due process rights, that democracy is still alive and well.By the Taurus Full Moon November 5 Virginia had elected a female governor--its first ever after a history of 74 former male governors--& NJ elected its second female governor. All of this speaks volumes about the Taurus Full Moon's emphasis on the awakening of feminine divine archetype. In addition, when he announced his transition team on the day of the Taurus Full Moon, we might note it is comprised entirely of females. And that his team includes Lina Kahn, the former chair of the Federal Trade Commission during President Biden's administration who fought against corporate anti-trust violators during her tenure there.Also, as Jupiter was trining Saturn at this lunation, we saw its mythological meaning come to life as 34 year-old Zohran Mamdani was elected NYC mayor by the largest turn out of voters—many of them younger ones--since 1969. Part of the Jupiter/Saturn 20-year cycle, which began when the two conjoined in Aquarius on December 21, 2020, this represents a changing of the guard from the older generation to the younger one.This theme was illustrated as well since influential California House Rep Nancy Pelosi, who's now 84 years old, announced she would not run for reelection in 2026, thus ending her long-standing influence on the democratic side of the House. Another symbolic changing of the guard by passing the baton from the old “king” to the young one… HOW'S THAT PARTNERSHIP THING BEEN WORKIN' FOR YA?Now in the waning portion of this month's lunar cycle since it began with the Libra New Moon on October 21--which called us to plant seeds to better partner with ourselves so that we may become a better parter to others—there's still a face off in the Congressional-caused government shutdown.Trouble is that lunation was fraught with pitfalls such as its squares to Jupiter & Pluto & its opposition to chaos maker Eris & wounded healer Chiron, making this month's mission harder than most. That righteous (Jupiter) control (Pluto) by the powerful would cause chaos and wounding (Chiron/Eris) to people seems now to have been foretold by this lunation.Since today marks the 38th day & the longest government shutdown in history, thus far with no end in sight, we can see clearly now how the Libra New Moon's mission to learn to better negotiate & compromise with others predicted resistance to compromise that's caused a great deal of chaos & pain.Californians voted in Prop 50 after deciding “the hell with going high when they go low” in the effort to counteract Texas's attempts to gerrymander state maps to favor adding an additional five GOP seats to the House of Representatives. Again, a result of this monthly lunar cycle's message that it's time to push back rather than lay back & continue to be disempowered.However, as we head toward the third-quarter waning “crisis in consciousness” square of the Leo Moon to the Scorpio Sun November 11, we're asked to realize that the needs of each individual are what matter, and that lumping them into groups & dismissing their concerns will cause even more chaos.The Leo Moon (“the people” in mundane astrology) are in tension with the leader (“king” in mundane astrology) who's hell bent on ruling with an autocratic hand. This recent election, as we waxed toward the Taurus Full Moon, will now lead to the realization that we are at a turning point here in America.ONCE I WAS BLIND, BUT NOW I CAN SEEMeanwhile, we have the Uranus retrograding back into Taurus on November 7 & reentering at the 29-degree Pleiades point, which represents “blindness.” The question becomes whether the Trump Administration & Congress have been SO blind to what's going on in the lives of its citizens that it's actually adapted a “let them eat cake” policy & caused what's now the longest government shut down in American history? As Uranus backs into Taurus, we have also the announcement that—due to the fact that federally-employed air traffic controllers (Uranus=flight) are going without pay causing many of them to call in sick, thus creating a shortage of workers. This is leading to a 40% reduction in flights across the country (Taurus=slowdown.) This as we approach the Thanksgiving holiday period, pretty much THE most heavily traveled days of the year.Next we have Mercury stationing retrograde in Sagittarius (also a delay related to travel) on November 9. This marks the beginning of the period where Mercury moved back from the fire to the water trigon, asking us to begin to review the question “what is the quality of my life?” as Jungian astrologer Erin Sullivan puts it in her book “Retrograde Planets, Traversing the Inner Landscape.”Mercury will move back into Scorpio on November 18 & remain in that deeply volatile archetypal sign through its direct station on November 29 & until it reenters Sagittarius on December 11. Lots of time for us to review the emotional quality of our lives now & to discern where we may be clinging on to old emotional patterns that no longer serve us well.By November 11 Jupiter will station retrograde in Cancer, asking us to review whether what we think we want is what our soul truly needs to be happy. This is a huge lift for some, given Jupiter's propensity for pie-in-the-sky, somewhere over the rainbow, optimism & wishful thinking. Jupiter remains retrograde until March 10, 2026, so the caution is not to get too disillusioned if efforts do not pan out as previously planned during this time span. Rather, look at the bright side given the current state of U.S. politics: THEIR plans to disempower American citizens won't manifest as they thought they would, & that's a good thing, right?On November 12, Mercury retrograde conjoins with Mars in Sagittarius & perhaps we'll hear some judicial thinking (read: rulings) about the U.S. Government's attempts harm others. Could be about shooting boats out of international waters with no proof that their running drugs. Could be about the “war” Trump has declared against his own citizens by placing federal troops in American cities. Or perhaps through high tariffs that only end up taxing his own people. We shall see…In any case, there's A LOT of Astro News You Can Use to discuss when you tune into the latest “Karmic Evolution's Astrologically Speaking!” podcast which drops today, November 7! Tune in here: https://www.karmicevolution.com/astrologically-speaking See you then! Namaste…

To donate to my PayPal (thank you): https://paypal.me/danieru22?country.x=US&locale.x=en_US Dr. Ashok Bedi is a Jungian psychoanalyst and board-certified psychiatrist, trained in India, Great Britain, and the United States. He serves as Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at the Medical College of Wisconsin, a faculty member at the Carl G. Jung Institute of Chicago, and a psychiatrist within the Aurora Health Care Network. With over thirty years of practice in Milwaukee, he specializes in adult psychotherapy and Jungian analysis, integrating spirituality and healing in his work. Dr. Bedi is the author of several books on psychology and spirituality and lectures internationally, also leading Jungian training programs and study groups in India. Amazon Author Page: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Ashok-Bedi/author/B001K8AWZE?ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true&ccs_id=50f31ee6-3086-449a-a224-6b5eda1e1d3d Note: Information contained in this video is for educational purposes only and is not intended as a substitute for treatment or consultation with a mental health professional or business consultant.

Book a Vedic astrology reading with Isaac by emailing info@plantcunning.com.In this episode we talk with herbalist, teacher and distiller Cathy Skipper, who you can find at https://aromagnosis.com/⁠. Cathy shares her journey into the world of plants and herbalism, influenced by her family's rich history in natural medicine and gardening. She discusses her deep connections to the plant path and how it has become a family tradition. Cathy delves into her work on menopause, influenced by her personal experiences and Carl Jung's depth psychology. She talks about the alchemical journey of menopause and the concept of the 'sovereign woman', emphasizing the importance of embracing the transformation through menopause. Cathy also explores how essential oils and aromatherapy can be powerful tools in this spiritual and emotional journey. In addition to her insights on menopause, Cathy shines light on her distillation practice. She narrates the meticulous process of harvesting and distilling plants, focusing on the significance of using plants from the high desert and maintaining the integrity of essential oils. This episode is packed with wisdom on holistic healing, the power of plant medicine, and the deep connections we share with nature. Whether you're an herbalist, therapist, or simply someone curious about the mysteries of nature and personal transformation, this conversation with Cathy Skipper is sure to inspire and enlighten.00:00 Introduction to the Plant Cunning Podcast00:43 Cathy Skipper's Journey to Herbalism03:09 The Alchemy of Menopause11:11 Aromatherapy and Its Healing Power18:22 The Art and Science of Distillation24:01 Self-Healing and Jungian Concepts30:23 The Integrity of Essential Oil Practitioners31:46 The Importance of Small Distillers32:25 Aromatherapy in Psychedelic Therapy33:53 The Brutality of Industrial Harvesting34:26 The Reality of Monocrops35:52 Personal Experiences with Distillation39:29 Forgotten Plants and Their Significance53:15 The Healing Power of Aromatic Plants57:28 Upcoming Projects and Resources

Join Professor Arthur Colman in conversation with Host Michael Lerner about his life and work using Jungian depth psychology as a foundation to bridge individual psychological understanding with group dynamics. Arthur D. Colman, MD Arthur is a psychiatrist trained at Harvard College and Medical School and U.C. Medical Center, San Francisco where he is Clinical Professor at the Department of Psychiatry. He is a depth analyst trained at the C.G. Jung Institute in San Francisco where he is a member, founder and first editor of Connected Works, and former chair of its review committee. The author of nine books on the human life cycle, healing, and scapegoating, he has contributed to many books, professional journals and popular publications on these and other subjects including ecstatic relationships, group consultation, leadership, the psychology of war, and the psychological aspects of music compositions and musical composers. He is also a coeditor of the influential Group Relations Reader I and II and a past president of the A.K. Rice Institute which publishes and distributes them. He currently divides his time between clinical practice, analysis and consultation to leaders and organizations here and abroad. Host Michael Lerner Michael is the president and co-founder of Commonweal. His principal work at Commonweal is with the Cancer Help Program, CancerChoices.org, the Omega Resilience Projects, the Collaborative on Health and the Environment, and The New School at Commonweal. He was the recipient of a MacArthur Prize Fellowship for contributions to public health in 1983 and is author of Choices in Healing: Integrating the Best of Conventional and Complementary Therapies (MIT Press). *** The New School is Commonweal's learning community and podcast — we offer conversations, workshops, and other events in areas that Commonweal champions: finding meaning, growing health and resilience, advocating for justice, and stewarding the natural world. We make our conversations into podcasts for many thousands of listeners world wide and have been doing this since 2007. Please like/follow our YouTube channel for access to our library of more than 400 great podcasts. tns.commonweal.org

In this episode of the Free Radical Podcast, Swami Padmanabha sits down with Mike Petrow — Christian contemplative scholar, Jungian specialist, spiritual director, and close collaborator of Father Richard Rohr at the Center for Action and Contemplation. Together, they explore a living conversation where reality is not a conclusion but a continuous unfolding. Their dialogue weaves through:

Jonathan Zap is an author, philosopher, journalist, and teacher who has written extensively on psychology and contemporary mythology. Jonathan grew up in the Bronx and attended the Bronx High School of Science. He graduated from Ursinus College with honors in Philosophy and English, and received a Master's Degree in Creative Writing from NYU. He has taught English in high school and college and worked with troubled youth as the dean of a public high school in the South Bronx. As a wilderness guide, Jonathan has led inner-city kids and other young people on expeditions to remote desert canyons and Mount Rainier's summit. (See “Crossing the Great Stream—Education and the Evolving Self,” published in Holistic Education Review for more on his experiences in education.) Jonathan also has a GG–a degree in gemology, and worked at the Gemological Institute of America (GIA) as a staff gemologist and instructor in diamond grading and gemstone identification. Jonathan is the author of numerous published articles, essays, screenplays, and the Zap Oracle. He is the author of Crossing the Event Horizon—Human Metamorphosis and the Singularity Archetype, and his related sci-fi epic, Parallel Journeys. Jonathan has done numerous radio and television interviews. He is a frequent guest on Coast-to-Coast AM and the Gaia network show, Beyond Belief. He was a contributing editor and featured correspondent at Reality Sandwich (before it was taken over and turned into something unsupportable) and published 150 articles on that platform. He's presented his work on the Singularity Archetype at the Society for Scientific Exploration (SSE) and the International Association for Near-Death Studies (IANDS). Jonathan has a background in Jungian psychology, paranormal research, literature, writing, and many other subjects. He uses his eclectic background to take a multi-disciplinary approach to many subjects. He resides in Boulder, Colorado.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-x-zone-radio-tv-show--1078348/support.Please note that all XZBN radio and/or television shows are Copyright © REL-MAR McConnell Meda Company, Niagara, Ontario, Canada – www.rel-mar.com. For more Episodes of this show and all shows produced, broadcasted and syndicated from REL-MAR McConell Media Company and The 'X' Zone Broadcast Network and the 'X' Zone TV Channell, visit www.xzbn.net. For programming, distribution, and syndication inquiries, email programming@xzbn.net.We are proud to announce the we have launched TWATNews.com, launched in August 2025.TWATNews.com is an independent online news platform dedicated to uncovering the truth about Donald Trump and his ongoing influence in politics, business, and society. Unlike mainstream outlets that often sanitize, soften, or ignore stories that challenge Trump and his allies, TWATNews digs deeper to deliver hard-hitting articles, investigative features, and sharp commentary that mainstream media won't touch.These are stories and articles that you will not read anywhere else.Our mission is simple: to expose corruption, lies, and authoritarian tendencies while giving voice to the perspectives and evidence that are often marginalized or buried by corporate-controlled media

Psychologist and trauma expert Dr. Shahrzad Jalali explores how emotional wounds can become catalysts for personal growth. She'll delve into healing beyond coping, addressing how trauma shapes identity and how to reshape emotional narratives. We'll also discover the power of understanding the nervous system, the importance of somatic healing, and how to build lasting resilience through a Jungian lens and beyond. Your shadow is ready to integrate with you. More on Dr. Shahrzad Jalali: drshahrzadjalali.com/ Get The Occult Elvis: https://amzn.to/4jnTjE4 Virtual Alexandria Academy: https://thegodabovegod.com/virtual-alexandria-academy/ Gnostic Tarot Readings: https://thegodabovegod.com/gnostic-tarot-reading/ The Gnostic Tarot: https://www.makeplayingcards.com/sell/synkrasis Homepage: https://thegodabovegod.com/ Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/aeonbyte AB Prime: https://thegodabovegod.com/members/subscription-levels/ Voice Over services: https://thegodabovegod.com/voice-talent/ Support with donation: https://buy.stripe.com/00g16Q8RK8D93mw288 Call-in number: 434-532-9370   Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

"One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious." - Carl Jung This is episode 16 of INNER REVOLUTION - a podcast series where we walk through the fire of inner transformation and awakening together. The purpose of this series is to help you shed ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING that isn't a true reflection of Who You Really Are, so you can fully embody your Divinity, Light, and Sacred Mission. In this 16th installment, we'll explore the concept of the "shadow" (according to Jungian theory) and how it benefits us to work with our shadows on the spiritual path. Join me for this episode on: what is the shadow? how can we begin identifying and working with our shadows in a safe, responsible, effective way? your triggers as opportunities to gain deeper awareness of your shadow aspects, when & why they show up, and what they're trying to accomplish examples of common shadow archetypes self-reflection prompts to explore your own shadows   EXTRA RESOURCE: my 4-step guide for shadow work   ******* You're lovingly invited to join my email community and get access to my free Akashic Records Mini Course + weekly newsletter: https://josephinehardman.com/akashic-records-intro/ Explore the next round of my Akashic Records Certification Program: https://josephinehardman.com/work-with-me/akashic-records-certification-program/ Connect through my website: https://josephinehardman.com Thank you for being here, doing your inner work, and leading the way for others with your light. It makes a difference! Music & editing by G. Demers Inner Work 2025 All Rights Reserved.

Today I'm joined by Phong, a prolific dreamer, artist, and developer working at the edge of consciousness, immersive art, and technology. We dive into why dream recall is the portal, how to practice stealth lucidity without breaking the dream, and meditation techniques that stabilize awareness across waking, dreams, and the astral. Phong shares how he combines Jungian dream analysis with AI to track individuation, why the astral plane is the real metaverse, and the ethical tensions around psycho-spiritual tech, VR, and creative tools. We explore persistent dream realms, emerging DMT/REM research, and more.Guest Links  • Website https://phong.com/  • Dome work & studio https://studio.phong.comSend us a textSupport the showFollow The Dream World PodcastVisit Our WebsiteInstagram @TheDreamWorldPodcastTik Tok @aminasdreamworldSpotifyFacebookLucid Dreaming Online Course

Buckle up for a no-holds-barred episode explosion Monday. On Joe Oltmann Untamed, where we rip the veil off election sabotage and elite theater! Kicking off, Joe drops the hammer on why we're torching Venezuelan drug boats—it's all connected to the rigged 2020 steal Trump just reignited on Truth Social. Then, we expose Scott Presler as a MAGA divider, chasing useless mail-in ballots while Trump demands in-person voting only—proving his Amish voter lies and Pennsylvania/Wisconsin flops are distractions for cash, just like the paid Krassenstein instigators admitting their anti-Trump grift. This ain't unity; it's political sabotage—tune in and get furious!Dive deeper with powerhouse guest Dr. Richard L. Kradin, Harvard's mind-body medicine maestro and Jungian analyst, dissecting trans ideology's grip on our kids. From placebo-fueled gender affirmation warping young psyches to affirming dysphoria like no other "mental illness," we grill him on puberty blockers' long-term scars, suppressed gender roles stunting individuation, and how moral imperatives fracture society. Is this healing or societal suicide? Kradin's unfiltered truths from The Placebo Response and Never Trump will shatter illusions—don't miss this psyche-shaking showdown!Cap it with socialism's Queens takeover: 13,000 chant "Tax the Rich!" for Zohran Mamdani's Islamist-commie rally with AOC and Bernie, while Hochul race-baits and lies fly about 9/11 subways. Open borders flood cities with chaos—Muslim "socialists" eyeing mayoral crowns in NYC and Chicago, turning blue hellholes into Portland-style war zones with failing schools, National Guard crackdowns, and deportations exposing the mess. We react hard, then unleash the Fax Blast demanding Congress crush Antifa's terror funders like Soros—arrests NOW! This is your wake-up call—watch and fight back!

Allow the essence of peace to be active within and everywhere. Allow it to do what it needs to do. Let it be present everywhere. Say yes to peace on EWN's A Meditation A Day show.Eileen Murrayhttps://www.facebook.com/eileen.murray.338With a background in Jungian psychology, shamanism and various forms of energy work, Eileen has created a strong bridge between the inner and outer worlds. ​Her B.A. is in Art and Psychology from Norwich University of Vermont and her M.A. in Liberal Arts from Lesley University Boston.Having been involved in the world of dreams through delving into the world of the unconscious, since the early 1980's, Eileen has come to know both the Light and the Shadow sides of the psyche. This journey has affected every area of Eileen's personal and professional life. Over the past fifteen years Eileen has consulted and taught people how to access their Akashic Record and the records of their business nationally and internationally. She also works with people to discover the hidden treasures within the world of dreams, while listening to one's intuition found in the wisdom of the body. Creating art is also expressed through working with the Akashic Records. As a contemporary artist, Eileen invites all aspects of color, texture, light and dark to inhabit the canvas.A Meditation a Day is sponsored by Enlightened World Network. Our intention is to come together to surround the planet, humanity, and ourselves with divine healing love. We know when two or more are gathered, that we then amplify the intention and energy for ourselves and for the collective.Enlightened World Network is your guide to inspirational online programs about the spiritual divinity, angels, energy work, chakras, past lives, or soul. Learn about spiritually transformative authors, musicians and healers. From motivational learning to inner guidance, you will find the best program for you.Check out our website featuring over 200 spirit-inspired lightworkers specializing in meditation, energy work and angel channelingwww.enlightenedworld.onlineEnjoy inspirational and educational shows at http://www.youtube.com/c/EnlightenedWorldNetworkTo sign up for a newsletter to stay up on EWN programs and events, sign up here: https://lp.constantcontactpages.com/su/FBoFQef/webLink to EWN's disclaimer: https://enlightenedworld.online/disclaimer/

Every night our dreams invite us to enter the mystery that is our soul, and they guide us toward wholeness, purpose, and destiny. Today we talk with Sara Saidy about the power of dream groups which she describes as alchemical containers. She calls dreams love letters from the soul. Sara starts out by defining the imaginal realm and how we access it through dreaming or active imagination. She shares the results of her research showing that dream groups can provide places where people experience not just personal transformation, but also interconnectedness, enhanced empathy, and compassion. She gives some radical suggestions for how to deepen our own dream groups. After the break, we take a call from Sylvia from Ontario who asks about and describes her own experiences of using dreams for physical healing. We take a second call from Martha from Los Angeles who asks about working with recurring dream images. We end with a discussion of how a Jungian approach to dream exploration changes our focus from the plotlines of dreams to the images and characters themselves. BIO: A Jungian dream practitioner, writer, artist, and researcher specializing in transpersonal dream studies. She uses, Art, and Transpersonal Psychology to explore dreams’ transformative potential. Currently training as a Jungian Analyst, she offers global consultations, workshops, and dream groups to help individuals and groups engage meaningfully with the imaginal realm through dreamwork. She lives in Florence, Italy.  Find our guest at: sarasaidy.com, IG: @sarasaidy, SS: SaraSaidy.substack.com, LI: @sara-saidy This show, episode number 334, was recorded during a live broadcast on October 25, 2025 at KSQD.org, community radio of Santa Cruz. Intro and outro music by Mood Science. Ambient music new every week by Rick Kleffel. Archived music can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick for also engineering the show and to Erik Nelson for answering the phones. If you liked this episode, consider checking out these others: Putting the Psyche Back in Psychology with Jungian Depth Therapist Eva Rider Dream Guidance with Machiel Klerk, founder of the Jung Platform Projective Dreamwork with the Healing Dreams Project Podcast Hosts SHARE A DREAM FOR THE SHOW or a question or enquire about being a guest on the podcast by emailing Katherine Bell at katherine@ksqd.org. Follow on FB, IG, LI, & YT @ExperientialDreamwork #thedreamjournal. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams go to ExperientialDreamwork.com. The Dream Journal aims to: Increase awareness of and appreciation for nightly dreams. Inspire dream sharing and other kinds of dream exploration as a way of adding depth and meaningfulness to lives and relationships. Improve society by the increased empathy, emotional balance, and sense of wonder which dream exploration invites. A dream can be meaningful even if you don’t know what it means. The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM. Catch it streaming LIVE at KSQD.org 10-11am Pacific Time on Saturdays. Call or text with your dreams or questions at 831-900-5773 or email at onair@ksqd.org. Podcasts are available on all major podcast platforms the Monday following the live show. The complete KSQD Dream Journal podcast page can be found at ksqd.org/the-dream-journal/. Closed captioning is available on the YouTube version of this podcast and an automatically generated transcript is available at Apple Podcasts. Thanks for being a Dream Journal listener! Available on all major podcast platforms. Rate it, review it, subscribe, and tell your friends.

-The call to climb- James Robbins- What is lyrical poetry? This episode takes a deep dive into the obstacles holding us back from our true potential with author and personal growth strategist James Robbins. Drawing from the core themes of his transformative fable, The Call to Climb, Robbins explains that the path to fulfillment isn't found in external goals, but through internal self-discovery.The conversation explores powerful psychological "gems" by connecting modern personal growth with the timeless wisdom of Carl Jung's analytical psychology. Robbins discusses the critical role of the unconscious in shaping our reality, introducing:The "Copy-Paste Life": How recurring patterns and plateaus are signs of an unconscious loop that keeps us stuck, preventing us from realizing our highest purpose.The "Appointment with the Soul": A concept, inspired by Jungian thought, that calls us to intentional introspection and self-knowledge to break free from fear and external expectations.Discover how confronting your unconscious is the key to clarity, courage, and ultimately, an enriched journey toward your authentic self..James Robbind:Websiteshttps://www.jamesrobbins.com/The Call to ClimbBooksNine Minutes on MondayThe Call to ClimbSocialsInstagram: @james.r.robbinsYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@james.r.robbinsFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/jamesrobbins97/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@james.r.robbins

From fairground palmistry to the science of fingerprinting, historian Alison Bashford explores the secrets, history and psychology of the hand.Alison was in a London library when she discovered a ginormous palm print of a gorilla, taken two days after it died at London Zoo in the 1930s.She had no idea whatsoever about why someone had made this mysterious print, or why it had been kept in pristine condition for all these years.Alison plunged into researching the history of the hand, from fairground palm reading to Jungian analysis.She was transported into the magical, scientific and pseudo-scientific attitudes to markings on the body.She encountered Victorian wellness entrepreneurs, how Down Syndrome was first diagnosed in neonates, and celebrity palm readers whose influence reached all the way to former British Prime Minister, William Gladstone.Further informationAlison's book Decoding The Hand: A History of Science, Medicine, and Magic is published by The University of Chicago Press.This episode of Conversations was produced by Alice Moldovan. The Executive Producer is Nicola Harrison.To binge even more great episodes of the Conversations podcast with Richard Fidler and Sarah Kanowski go the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts. There you'll find hundreds of the best thought-provoking interviews with authors, writers, artists, politicians, psychologists, musicians, and celebrities.This episode explores gypsies, Roma, palm reading, fortune telling, psychology, psychoanalysis, Charlotte Wolff, Carl Jung, Weimar Germany, Nazi Germany, Brahmin, palmistry, cheiromancy, Cheiro, writing a book, university, Hollywood, 1930s Hollywood, celebrity, Down Syndrome, diagnosis, genetics, eugenics, Lionel Penrose, BBC, simian line, occult, Francis Galton, Ellis Family and British Institute for Mental Science.

This episode is part of a new series, Jung in the World B-Sides, where we go off-road to explore the rugged psychological terrain of our current culture. This episode is part 2 of our interview with Hilde Lynn Helphenstein. Part 1 "Know thyself"—from Socrates to Shakespeare, this wisdom echoed across centuries. But the digital age is turning it inside out. As online influencers rise to fame, persona is overtaking the self. The obsession with self-representation has eclipsed the drive to be true to oneself. What does it mean to live your life as someone else? In this two-part interview, host Patricia Martin talks with the infamous Jerry Gogosian—real name Hilde Helphenstein—about the hidden psychological costs of her seven-year experiment living as her persona and how she clawed her identity back. Watch the video of this interview: https://youtu.be/_EQMW6FI_Sw Hilde Lynn Helphenstein is a visual artist, digital storyteller, and the creative mind behind @jerrygogosian, a popular satirical Instagram meme account that critiques and comments on the global art world through viral images, videos and text pieces. It has since transformed into a community and platform. Patricia Martin, MFA, is the host of Jung in the World. A noted cultural analyst, she applies Jungian theory to her work as a researcher and writer. Author of three books, her work has been featured in the New York Times, Harvard Business Review, Huffington Post, and USA Today. She holds an MFA in writing and literature from Bennington College and an MA in cultural studies at the University College, Dublin (honors). In 2018, she completed the Jungian Studies Program at the C. G. Jung Institute Chicago where she is a professional affiliate. A scholar in residence at the Chicago Public Library, for the last decade she's been studying the digital culture and its impact on the individuation process. Patricia travels the world giving talks and workshops based on her findings, and has a private consulting practice in Chicago. Be informed of new programs and content by joining our mailing list! Support this free podcast by making a donation, becoming a member of the Institute, or making a purchase in our online store! Your support enables us to provide free and low-cost educational resources to all. This podcast is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International License. You may share it, but please do not change it, sell it, or transcribe it.Executive Producer: Ben LawHosts: Patricia Martin, Judith Cooper, Daniel Ross, Adina Davidson, and Raisa Cabrera2025-2026 Season Intern: Zoe KalawMusic: Peter Demuth

In this inspiring podcast episode with Misia, we explore the power of emotional awareness, healing, and intuition.

In this episode, I sit down with psychotherapist, author, and former professional musician Gary Trosclair to explore what it really means to have a driven personality and how to take the wheel instead of letting it drive you. Gary's work, The Healthy Compulsive Project, sheds light on obsessive-compulsive personality traits (OCPD) and how the same tendencies that push us to achieve can also cause stress, rigidity, and disconnection if left unchecked.We dig into how perfectionism, control, and urgency show up in endurance sports, work, and family life and how to transform those patterns into strengths through awareness, mindfulness, and compassion. Gary shares insights from Jungian psychology, personal stories from his journey as a musician turned therapist, and practical ways to move from “proving yourself” to simply being yourself.We also talk about the mental side of endurance how athletes can find balance between excellence and ease, the role of meditation and body awareness in releasing tension, and how learning to “hold the pen more loosely” can actually improve both performance and happiness.If you've ever felt like your ambition is both your greatest gift and your toughest challenge, this conversation is for you.Learn more about Gary: thehealthycompulsive.com | garytrosclair.comLife Coaching with Travis MacyAre you a middle-aged man looking for a wise and powerful teammate to support your expansive journey in work, family, athletics, and life? Are you ready to finally learn about yourself: what really makes you tick, what holds you back, and what personalized systems will optimize your performance and wellness? Let's work together!travismacy.com/coaching

Dr. Erik Goodwyn is a practising psychiatrist with a background in neurobiology who bridges the worlds of neuroscience, Jungian psychology, and fantasy. Erik is co-editor-in-chief of the International Journal of Jungian Studies and as well as dozens of academic papers he has written books on the neurobiology of the gods, dreams, and archetypes, and this year published his first fantasy novel, King of the Forgotten Darkness, which won the Literary Titan Golden Book Award.You can find Erik's work at:Website: https://erikgoodwyn.comYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theimaginariumIn this conversation, I sit down with Erik to explore the neuroscience of dreams and their connection to creativity, trauma, and healing. We dive deep into how the default mode network operates during dreaming, why dreams create "as if" narratives to help us make sense of our lives, and how the psyche uses metaphor to consolidate memory, regulate emotions, and plan for the future. Erik shares fascinating insights from his clinical work, including how trauma dreams evolve during the healing process and why some dreams seem to bookend creative projects. We also venture into the realm of fantasy literature, discussing how writers like Tolkien and Sanderson use fantastical elements to tell deeply human stories about real lived experiences.⏳Timestamps00:00 James's Intro01:31 Beginning: Wyoming, Mountain Time, and writing fantasy03:24 Architects vs. Gardeners: Erik's writing process08:16 The divine child archetype in therapy dreams09:13 "as if": how dreams create meaning through metaphor11:58 Dreams in crisis mode vs. exploratory mode (PTSD example)15:08 Memory consolidation and forward planning in dreams16:37 The default mode network during dreaming19:32 Creativity and the default mode network24:19 Dream sequences: Exploration of themes across multiple dreams29:27 The body's natural healing process through dreams40:58 Ernest Hartman and contextualizing metaphors42:14 What is fantasy really about? Beyond escapism43:01 Tolkien's Lord of the Rings as meditation on the problem of evil43:04 Evil and grace in Middle-earth45:29 Morgoth, Sauron, and the continuation of evil46:37 Guest recommendation: Stefano Carpani47:19 Where to find Erik

Are narcissists capable of love? Is it possible for them to achieve emotional transformation through therapy? And what does it mean to be the partner of a narcissist? Jungian psychoanalyst and friend of the podcast DR SUSAN SCHWARTZ joins Andrew this week to discuss her new book, An Analytical Exploration of Love and Narcissism: The Tragedy of Isolation and Intimacy.  Drawing on Jungian concepts and the myth of Narcissus and Echo, Susan explains: How we misunderstand narcissism The creative energy of the narcissist The ways narcissists can be deeply vulnerable How narcissists can learn to be emotionally intimate. Dr Susan Schwartz is a Jungian analyst who trained in Switzerland and lives in the USA. She teaches in numerous Jungian programs, workshops, and lectures in the USA and worldwide. She is also a clinical psychologist and member of the International Association of Analytical Psychology. Her other books include:The Absent Father Effect on Daughters, A Jungian Exploration of the Puella Archetype  and Imposter Syndrome and The ‘As-If' Personality in Analytical Psychology. If You're Looking for More…. You can subscribe to The Meaningful Life (via Apple Podcasts, Spotify or Google Podcasts) and hear a bonus mini-episode every week. Or you can join our Supporters Club on Patreon to also access exclusive behind-the-scenes content, fan requests  and the chance to ask Andrew your own questions. Membership starts at just £4.50 This week supporters will hear: Why are narcissists so compelling? Three Things Susan Schwartz knows to be true.  AND subscribers also access all of our previous bonus content - a rich trove of insight on love, life and meaning created by Andrew and his interviewees. Follow Up Get Andrew's free guide to difficult conversations with your partner: How to Tell Your Partner Difficult Things  Read Dr Susan Schwartz's new book, An Analytical Exploration of Love and Narcissism: The Tragedy of Isolation and Intimacy  Visit Dr Susan Schwartz's website Follow Dr Susan Schwartz on Facebook and Instagram Listen to Andrew's previous interviews with Dr Susan Schwartz: Daughters and Fathers, and Imposter Syndrome.  Take a look at Andrew's new online relationship course: My Best Relationship Tools  Andrew offers regular advice on love, marriage and finding meaning in your life via his social channels. Follow him on Twitter, Facebook and YouTube @andrewgmarshall   

**SPECIAL ENCORE PRESENTATION IN SUPPORT OF WORLD MENTAL HEALTH DAY THIS OCTOBER** Dr. James Hollis is a Jungian analyst, a former director of the Jung Society of Washington, DC, and a professor of Jungian Studies for Saybrook University of San Francisco/Houston. He is the author of The Middle Passage, Living an Examined Life, Through the Dark Wood, and Living Between Worlds, among many others. With Sounds True, he's released the expansive audio program A Life of Meaning: Exploring Our Deepest Questions and Motivations. In this episode of Insights at the Edge, Tami Simon speaks with James about the journey for personal fulfillment—how it starts, what it demands, and how it changes your life. James explains what it really means to take responsibility for your life's path, as well as how you can rediscover and reclaim your innate authority. Tami and James discuss how childhood experiences shape our present behavior and what it takes to live fearlessly. Finally, they talk about overcoming lethargy and the joy of becoming comfortable with mysteries. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Listeners of Insights At The Edge get 10% off their first month at www.betterhelp.com/soundstrue.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

**SPECIAL ENCORE PRESENTATION IN SUPPORT OF WORLD MENTAL HEALTH DAY THIS OCTOBER** Dr. James Hollis is a Jungian analyst, a former director of the Jung Society of Washington, DC, and a professor of Jungian Studies for Saybrook University of San Francisco/Houston. He is the author of The Middle Passage, Living an Examined Life, Through the Dark Wood, and Living Between Worlds, among many others. With Sounds True, he's released the expansive audio program A Life of Meaning: Exploring Our Deepest Questions and Motivations. In this episode of Insights at the Edge, Tami Simon speaks with James about the journey for personal fulfillment—how it starts, what it demands, and how it changes your life. James explains what it really means to take responsibility for your life's path, as well as how you can rediscover and reclaim your innate authority. Tami and James discuss how childhood experiences shape our present behavior and what it takes to live fearlessly. Finally, they talk about overcoming lethargy and the joy of becoming comfortable with mysteries. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Listeners of Insights At The Edge get 10% off their first month at www.betterhelp.com/soundstrue.

I take you on a deep dive into the Father Wound through a Jungian lens. I explore how your relationship with your father shapes your identity, sense of worth, and connection to the masculine. You'll learn how this wound shows up in perfectionism, rebellion, or emotional distance—and discover five practical steps to begin healing and “fathering yourself.” This conversation is about reclaiming inner authority, developing discipline, and embodying a mature, grounded masculinity.SHOW HIGHLIGHTS00:01 - Introduction & Overview02:16 - Defining the Father Wound07:07 - The Father Archetype & Order10:06 - How the Wound Shows Up in Men15:01 - The Impact on Relationships17:00 - The Unlived Life of the Father19:28 - The Five Healing Steps26:15 - Rituals & Emotional Integration27:40 - Closing Reflections***Tired of feeling like you're never enough? Build your self-worth with help from this free guide: https://training.mantalks.com/self-worthPick up my book, Men's Work: A Practical Guide To Face Your Darkness, End Self-Sabotage, And Find Freedom: https://mantalks.com/mens-work-book/Heard about attachment but don't know where to start? Try the FREE Ultimate Guide To AttachmentCheck out some other free resources: How To Quit Porn | Anger Meditation | How To Lead In Your RelationshipBuild brotherhood with a powerful group of like-minded men from around the world. Check out The Alliance. Enjoy the podcast? Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, Stitcher, or Podchaser. It helps us get into the ears of new listeners, expand the ManTalks Community, and help others find the tools and training they're looking for. And don't forget to subscribe on Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | SpotifyFor more, visit us at ManTalks.com | Facebook | Instagram

Has God been an absent parent in the lives of his children and Creation? Is this why most of our intimate relationships are so hurtful? Are our intimate relationships designed to facilitate self-individuation or self-actualization, as Jungian individuation suggests, which could potentially lead us back to divine individuation or integration with the source of all that is?

Has God been an absent parent in the lives of his children and Creation? Is this why most of our intimate relationships are so hurtful? Are our intimate relationships designed to facilitate self-individuation or self-actualization, as Jungian individuation suggests, which could potentially lead us back to divine individuation or integration with the source of all that is? 

In this episode of The Afterlight Podcast with Lauren Grace, Lauren is joined by Spiritual Director, Jungian coach, and author Brandy Anderson to explore what lies beyond the veil. Brandy shares her extraordinary experiences of receiving messages from her late grandmother through everyday devices — a Roku TV and even a small printer — moments that opened a door to healing, forgiveness, and a deeper understanding of the soul's continuity. Together, Lauren and Brandy dive into the process of crossing over, exploring reincarnation, the light of awareness, the purpose of life, and why it's essential to look within now. They talk about how shadow work prepares us for peace and why connection with our passed-over loved ones, including pets, never really ends — it simply changes form. This is a conversation about life after death, love that transcends form, and the power of awareness to bridge the worlds of spirit and self. ----more---- Welcome to The Afterlight Podcast with Lauren Grace, a spiritual podcast full of stories and conversations that prove we're never alone. Lauren Grace, host of The Afterlight Podcast, is a high-impact coach and medium dedicated to helping professionals deepen their connection to their soul so they can experience more freedom, fulfillment, and purpose. The Afterlight Podcast with Lauren Grace aims to inspire and educate. Remember, you are the authority on your own life. While we encourage you to take what resonates, we also urge you to do your own research and consult with qualified professionals for advice on your personal situation. The opinions shared by guests are their own, and any advice by our guests or Lauren Grace is not a substitute for professional guidance. The Afterlight Podcast: The Afterlight Podcast on Social: @theafterlightpodcast To be a guest, apply here: theafterlightpodcast.com Sign up for our newsletter: laurengraceinspirations.com/contact Connect with Lauren Grace, Lauren Grace Inspirations: Lauren on Social: @LaurenGraceInspirations Website: laurengraceinspirations.com Disclaimer: Lauren Grace, Lauren Grace Inspirations, and The Afterlight Podcast are not licensed counselors, medical professionals, or financial advisors. Any information or advice provided during the Podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be considered a substitute for professional medical, legal, financial, or psychiatric advice. Always seek the advice of qualified professionals regarding any specific questions or concerns you may have. Meet Brandy Brandy Anderson is a Spiritual Director, Jungian Coach, and Silver Nau tilus award–winning author of Through the Veil: A Glimpse Into the Afterlife.  As the founder of Anderson Alchemy, Brandy guides others through the transformative process of shadow work, spiritual awakening, and inner alchemy—helping seekers integrate the mystical and the psychological into everyday life. Contact Brandy: https://andersonalchemy.com Get the book: https://andersonalchemy.com/through-the-veil

We dive deep into the Jungian journey of individuation: the essential inner process of becoming who we truly are by integrating the unconscious, working with the shadow, and letting go of all the false identities we've mistaken for ourselves.

This episode is part of a new series, Jung in the World B-Sides, where we go off-road to explore the rugged psychological terrain of our current culture. "Know thyself"—from Socrates to Shakespeare, this wisdom echoed across centuries. But the digital age is turning it inside out. As online influencers rise to fame, persona is overtaking the self. The obsession with self-representation has eclipsed the drive to be true to oneself. What does it mean to live your life as someone else? In this two-part interview, host Patricia Martin talks with the infamous Jerry Gogosian—real name Hilde Helphenstein—about the hidden psychological costs of her seven-year experiment living as her persona and how she clawed her identity back. Watch the video of this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqN8oLeQQaQ Hilde Lynn Helphenstein is a visual artist, digital storyteller, and the creative mind behind @jerrygogosian, a popular satirical Instagram meme account that critiques and comments on the global art world through viral images, videos and text pieces. It has since transformed into a community and platform. Patricia Martin, MFA, is the host of Jung in the World. A noted cultural analyst, she applies Jungian theory to her work as a researcher and writer. Author of three books, her work has been featured in the New York Times, Harvard Business Review, Huffington Post, and USA Today. She holds an MFA in writing and literature from Bennington College and an MA in cultural studies at the University College, Dublin (honors). In 2018, she completed the Jungian Studies Program at the C. G. Jung Institute Chicago where she is a professional affiliate. A scholar in residence at the Chicago Public Library, for the last decade she's been studying the digital culture and its impact on the individuation process. Patricia travels the world giving talks and workshops based on her findings, and has a private consulting practice in Chicago. Be informed of new programs and content by joining our mailing list! Support this free podcast by making a donation, becoming a member of the Institute, or making a purchase in our online store! Your support enables us to provide free and low-cost educational resources to all. This podcast is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International License. You may share it, but please do not change it, sell it, or transcribe it.Executive Producer: Ben LawHosts: Patricia Martin, Judith Cooper, Daniel Ross, Adina Davidson, and Raisa Cabrera2025-2026 Season Intern: Zoe KalawMusic: Peter Demuth

In this episode of Transform your Mind, Myrna Young hosts medical and spiritual intuitive Katie Beecher to delve into the important connections between trauma and mental health. Katie shares her unique process of creating detailed reports and symbolic paintings without prior knowledge of clients, emphasizing holistic healing. With insights drawn from Jungian psychology, she guides listeners in tapping into their intuition and spirit guides. Additionally, Katie offers practical tools from her book, "Heal from Within: An Intuitive Guide to Wellness," aimed at personal development and healing. Tune in to this transformative discussion to find happiness and learn how to better understand and navigate life's challenges with renewed strength.Myrna explores Katie's methodologies and shares her valuable insights on recognizing the body's signals. The episode unravels the complexity of issues rooted in trauma by examining the physical manifestations of emotional and spiritual conflicts. Katie discusses the importance of addressing these multi-dimensional aspects for effective holistic healing, emphasizing the relevance of befriending one's body and embracing intuition. Through heartening dialogue, listeners uncover transformative strategies to foster self-love, overcome limiting beliefs, and connect with their true selves.Key Takeaways:Medical intuition involves connecting with your body's signals to uncover emotional and spiritual roots of physical symptoms.Katie Beecher's unique process helps diagnose and heal by creating detailed reports and symbolic soul paintings using only a person's name and age.Emotional and spiritual factors are integral to understanding the root cause of trauma and for achieving holistic well-being.Sponsors of this podcastShopifySign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at SHOPIFY.com/transformResources Katie Beecher's Book: Heal from Within: An Intuitive Guide to WellnessWebsite: KatieBeecher.comInstagram: @katiebeecher_medical_intuitiveTo advertise on our podcast, visit https://advertising.libsyn.com/TransformyourMindor email kriti@youngandprofiting.com See this video on The Transform Your Mind YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@MyhelpsUs/videosTo see a transcripts of this audio as well as links to all the advertisers on the show page https://myhelps.us/Follow Transform Your Mind on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/myrnamyoung/Follow Transform Your mind on Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100063738390977Please leave a rating and review on iTunes https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/transform-your-mind/id1144973094 https://podcast.feedspot.com/personal_development_podcasts/

Fractal Mathematics and Jungian Archetypes with Harry Shirley Dr. Harry Shirley is a chemist with a deep interest in Jungian psychology. His paper The Buddhabrot and the Unus Mundus: A Qualitative Exploration of Fractal Patterns and Archetypal Symbols was recently published in the International Journal of Jungian Studies. He is based in the United Kingdom. … Continue reading "Fractal Mathematics and Jungian Archetypes with Harry Shirley"

Explore the new site: www.drjohnwprice.com Join us in The Open Gate: https://www.drjohnwprice.com/the-open-gate-lt In this solo episode, I explore what it means to build a rhythm of spiritual practice—not as an escape from life, but as a way of showing up for it. I draw from my background growing up in a socially engaged religious community, my years as a psychotherapist, and the long process of returning to a deeper, embodied spirituality. We'll look at the difference between outer ritual and inner transformation, between spiritual performance and real participation. Along the way, I weave in ideas from Jungian psychology, the necessity of emotional honesty, and the quiet work of remembering the sacred within ordinary life. This conversation is about developing a living rhythm, a pattern written in the soul, that keeps us connected to meaning, community, and presence. Key Themes Spiritual practice is both an inner path and a shared human process. Rhythm matters more than perfection. Emotional experiences—grief, fear, longing—are not obstacles; they are initiations. Nature and everyday ritual reawaken a sense of belonging and presence. Community, teaching, and discipline form the architecture of a spiritual life. In This Episode 00:00 — Introduction to Spiritual Practice 02:06 — Defining Spirituality 03:53 — The Importance of Contemplative Practice 08:44 — Personal Experiences and Insights 18:07 — Challenges and Misconceptions 23:56 — Practical Steps and Final Reflections Follow: Instagram — @thesacredspeaks Facebook — The Sacred Speaks Brought to you by: www.centerforhas.com Theme Music: www.modernnationmusic.com

Join us as we explore the fascinating journey of Suzanne Roberts, founder of Unifying Solutions, whose five decades of coaching and consulting experience have shaped her into a master somatic coach with a unique intersectional approach. Suzanne's eclectic background in pre-med, modern dance, holistic health, and Jungian dream work provides the foundation for her innovative methods that address class, race, gender, and religion. Discover how her work helps leaders overcome ingrained survival habits to become more authentic and effective, enhancing team dynamics and leadership qualities. Through engaging examples, Suzanne illustrates the transformative power of understanding and softening survival strategies to unlock leadership potential. We also spotlight the launch of her book, documentary, and a leadership program called the Great Reconnection: The Soul of Leadership. This program emphasizes integrating the soul into leadership and building cultures of interconnectedness. The book, "It's Deeper Than That: Pathway to a Vibrant, Purposeful, and Liberated Life," offers a roadmap through personal challenges, self-understanding, and creating inclusive social systems. We also discuss the significance of visibility on social media for women, with Suzanne sharing her own journey across platforms like Facebook, LinkedIn, and Instagram. Be inspired by her message of self-trust and meaningful action, which empowers entrepreneurs to stay vibrant and committed to impactful change. Connect with Suzanne:Website: www.unifyingsolutions.com Instagram: @suzanneroberts3550 LinkedIn: Suzanne Roberts Youtube: Purpose for Life: Polarity Pathways Let's keep the conversation going!Website: www.martaspirk.com Instagram: @martaspirk Facebook: Marta Spirk Want to be my next guest on The Empowered Woman Podcast?Apply here: www.martaspirk.com/podcastguest Watch my TEDx talk: http://bit.ly/martatedx     Looking for the perfect gift that inspires confidence and joy? Me Is All I Want to Be by Elizabeth Brunner is a children's book that celebrates individuality, creativity, and self-acceptance. Give the kids in your life a gift that lasts longer than toys or trends—the gift of self-love and confidence. Find the book on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Me-All-I-Want-Be/dp/B0F6ZQ1FW6   

In this week's episode, Kat is joined by Chelsey Pippin Mizzi, author of The Shadow Path, to explore how shadow work can deepen your creative process and bring more honesty and depth into your art. Together, they discuss how the parts of ourselves we often avoid might hold the key to the work we're truly meant to make. Discover gentle, practical ways to meet your shadow through tarot, dream journaling, and ritual—and learn how to see this work as a safe retreat rather than a confrontation.

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“We have to let go of our own patriarchy,” says Elinor Dickson. “And we’re afraid to because it represents control for us.” Dickson spent more than 35 years as a Jungian therapist, and she cowrote the seminal Dancing in the Flames with her good friend Marion Woodman. She’s one of the wise elders of our time. We explore the new universal mythos our culture so badly needs, Dickson’s fascinating historical perspective (including how our modern world is largely shaped by the Great Plague), and why neither a matriarchy or a patriarchy is right for us. Dickson also shares where she sees shoots of hope, and one wild story of synchronicity. For the show notes, head to my Substack.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jungian analyst Eva Wertenschlag-Birkhäuser joined us from Berne, Switzerland, to discuss the work of her late parents, artist and analysand Peter Birkhäuser and Jungian analyst Sibylle Birkhäuser-Oeri.

Episode summary Joe and Mary dive into how platform censorship and shifting algorithms have reshaped psychedelic media, why DoubleBlind moved to a “newsletter-first” model, and what that's revealed about true audience engagement. They reflect on the post-2024 MDMA decision headwinds, state-level policy moves (wins and losses), and how funding, politics, and culture continue to reconfigure the field. They also explore alternatives to alcohol, chronic pain research, reciprocity around iboga/ibogaine, and lessons from PS25 (MAPS' Psychedelic Science 2025). Highlights & themes From platforms to inboxes: Social and search suppression (IG/FB/Google) throttled harm-reduction journalism; DoubleBlind's pivot to email dramatically improved reach and engagement. Post-MDMA decision reality: Investment cooled; Mary frames it as painful but necessary growth—an ecosystem “airing out” rather than a catastrophic pop. Policy pulse: Mixed year—some state measures stalled (e.g., MA), others advanced (e.g., NM; ongoing Colorado process). Rescheduling cannabis may add complexity more than clarity. Censorship paradox: Suppressing education makes use less safe; independent outlets need community support to keep harm-reduction info visible. Chronic pain & long COVID: Emerging overlaps and training efforts (e.g., Psychedelics & Pain communities) point beyond a psychiatry-only frame. Alcohol alternatives: Low-dose or occasional psychedelic use can shift habits for some; Mary stresses individual context and support beyond any single substance. Reciprocity & iboga: Rising interest (including from right-leaning funders) must include Indigenous consultation and fair benefit-sharing; pace of capitalism vs. community care is an active tension. PS25 field notes: Smaller, more manageable vibe than 2023; fewer “gold-rush” expectations; in-person dialogue beats online flame wars. Notable mentions DoubleBlind: Newsletter-first publishing; nurturing new writers and reported stories. Psychedelics & Pain Association / Clusterbusters: Community-driven models informing care and research (cluster headache protocols history). Books & media: Body Autonomy (Synergetic Press anthology); Joanna Kempner's work on cluster headaches - Psychedelic Outlaws; Lucy Walker's forthcoming iboga film. Compounds to watch: LSD (under-studied relative to MDMA), 2C-B, 5-MeO-DMT (synthetic focus), and broader Shulgin-inspired families.   Mary Carreon: [00:00:00] Okay, I'm gonna send it to my dad because he wants to know. Here Joe Moore: we go. Yeah, send it over. So, hi everybody. We're live Joe here with Mary Anne, how you doing today? Mary Carreon: I'm great Joe. How are you? Joe Moore: Lovely. I actually never asked you how to pronounce your last name does say it right? Mary Carreon: Yes, you did. You said it perfectly Joe Moore: lovely. Joe Moore: Um, great. So it's been a bit, um, we are streaming on LinkedIn, YouTube, Twitch X and Kick, I guess. Yeah. Kick meta. Meta doesn't let me play anymore. Um, Mary Carreon: you're in forever. Timeout. I got it. I got it. Yeah. Joe Moore: Yeah. I think they found a post the other day from 2017. They didn't like, I'm like, oh cool. Like neat, you Mary Carreon: know, you know. Mary Carreon: Yeah. That happened to me recently, actually. Uh, I had a post taken down from 2018 about, uh, mushroom gummies and yeah, it was taken down and I have strikes on my account now. So Joe Moore: Do you get the thing where they ask you if you're okay? Mary Carreon: Yes, with, but like with my searches though, [00:01:00] like if I search something or, or someone's account that has, uh, like mushroom or psychedelic or LSD or something in it, they'll be like, mm-hmm are you okay? Mary Carreon: And then it recommends getting help. So Joe Moore: it's like, to be fair, I don't know if I'm okay, but Yeah, you're like, probably not. I don't really want your help. Meta. Yeah. Mary Carreon: You're like, I actually do need help, but not from you. Thanks. Yeah, Joe Moore: yeah, yeah. Mary Carreon: So not from the techno fascists. Joe Moore: Oh, good lord. Yeah. Uh, we'll go there. Joe Moore: I'm sure. Mary Carreon: I know. I just like really dove right there. Sorry. Yeah. All right, so let's, Joe Moore: um, before we go, let's give people like a bit of, you know, high kicks on, on who is Mary, where you working these days and what are you doing? Mary Carreon: Yeah, thank you. My name is Mary Carryon and I am forever and first and foremost a journalist. Mary Carreon: I have been covering, I say the plant legalization spaces for the past decade. It's, it's been nine and a half years. Uh, on January 3rd it will be [00:02:00] 10 years. And I got my start covering cannabis, uh, at OC Weekly. And from there went to High Times, and from there went to Mary Jane, worked for Snoop Dogg. And then, uh, I am now. Mary Carreon: Double blind. And I have become recently, as of this year, the editor in chief of Double Blind, and that's where I have been currently sinking my teeth into everything. So currently, you know, at this moment I'm an editor and I am basically also a curator. So, and, and somebody who is a, uh, I guess an observer of this space more than anything these days. Mary Carreon: Um, I'm not really reporting in the same way that I was. Um, but still I am helping many journalists tell stories and, uh, I feel kind of like a story midwife in many ways. Just like helping people produce stories and get the, get the quotes, get the angles that need to be discussed, get the sentences structures right, and, um, uh, helping [00:03:00] sometimes in a visionary kind of, uh, mindset. Mary Carreon: So yeah, that's what I'm doing these days. Joe Moore: Oh, there it is. Oh, there you are. Love that. And um, you know, it's important to have, um, editors who kind of really get it from a lot of different angles. I love that we have a lot of alignment on this kind of, and the drug war thing and kind of let's, uh, hopefully start developing systems that are for people. Joe Moore: Yeah, absolutely. If you wanna just say that. Yeah, absolutely. Mary Carreon: Yeah, absolutely. Joe Moore: So, um, yeah, I almost 10 years in January. That's great. We um, it's so crazy that it's been that long. I think we just turned nine and a half, so we're maybe just a few, a few months shorter than your I love it. Plant medicine reporting career. Joe Moore: That's great. I love it. Um, yeah, so I think. I think one of the first times we chatted, [00:04:00] um, I think you were doing a piece about two cb Do you, do you have any recollection of doing a piece on two cb? Mary Carreon: I do, yes. Yes. Wait, I also remember hitting you up during an Instagram live and I was like, are you guys taking any writers? Mary Carreon: And you guys were like writers, I mean, maybe depending on the writer. Joe Moore: And I was like, I was like, I dunno how that works. Mary Carreon: Like me. Yeah. Joe Moore: Yeah. It was fun. It was fun to work with people like yourself and like get pieces out there. And eventually we had an awesome editor for a bit and that was, that was really cool to be able to like support young startup writers who have a lot of opinions and a lot of things to point out. Joe Moore: There's so much happening. Um, there was so much fraud in like wave one. Of kind of the psychedelic investment hype. There's still some, but it's lesser. Um, and it's really a fascinating space still. Like changing lives, changing not just lives, right? Like our [00:05:00] perspective towards nearly everything, right? Joe Moore: Yeah. Mary Carreon: Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, it's interesting because the space has matured. It's evolved. It's different than it was even, what a, I mean, definitely nine years ago, but even five years ago, even four years ago, even last year, things are different. The landscape is different than it was a year ago. Mary Carreon: And I, it's, it's interesting to see the politics of things. It's interesting to see who has money these days given like how hard it is just to kind of survive in this space. And it's interesting just to. Bear witness to all of this going down because it really is a once in a lifetime thing. Nothing is gonna look the same as it does now, as it, uh, then it will like in a, in a year from now or anything. Mary Carreon: So it's really, yeah. It's interesting to take account of all of this Joe Moore: That's so real. Uh, maybe a little [00:06:00] too real, like it's serious because like with everything that's going on from, um, you know, governance, governments, ai Yes. Drug policy shifts. Drug tech shifts, yes. There's so much interesting movement. Um, yes. Joe Moore: You, you know, you, you kind of called it out and I think it's really actually worth discussing here since we're both here on the air together, like this idea that the psychedelic market, not idea, the lived experience of the psychedelic market having shifted substantially. And I, I, I think there's a lot of causes. Joe Moore: But I've never had the opportunity to really chat with you about this kind of like interesting downturn in money flowing into the space. Mm-hmm. Have you thought about it? Like what might the causes be? I'm sure you have. Mary Carreon: Yeah. Yeah, I have. Yeah. I've thought about it. I mean, it's hard. Well, I don't know. I am really not trying to point fingers and that's not what I'm [00:07:00] trying to do here. Mary Carreon: But I mean, I think a lot of people were really hopeful that the FDA decision last June, not last June, the previous June, a year ago, 2024, June was going to open the floodgates in terms of funding, in terms of, um. In terms of mostly funding, but also just greater opportunities for the space and, uh, greater legitimacy granted to the psychedelic medicine space. Mary Carreon: Mm. And for those who might not know what I'm talking about, I'm talking about the, uh, FDA decision to reject, uh, MDMA assisted therapy and, um, that whole, that whole thing that happened, I'm sure if it, you didn't even have to really understand what was going on in order to get wind of that wild situation. Mary Carreon: Um, so, so maybe, yeah. You probably know what I'm talking about, but I, I do think that that had a great impact on this space. Do I think it was detrimental to this space? [00:08:00] I don't think so. We are in a growth spurt, you know, like we are growing and growing pains happen when you are evolving and changing and learning and figuring out the way forward. Mary Carreon: So I think it was kind of a natural process for all of this and. If things had gone forward like while, yeah, there probably would be more money, there would be greater opportunity in this space for people wanting to get in and get jobs and make a living and have a life for themselves in this, in this world. Mary Carreon: I don't know if it was, I don't know if it would necessarily be for the betterment of the space in general for the long term. I think that we do have to go through challenges in order for the best case scenarios to play out in the future, even though that's difficult to say now because so many of us are struggling. Mary Carreon: So, but I, but I have hope and, and that statement is coming from a place of hope for the future of this space and this culture. Joe Moore: Yeah. It's, um, I'm with [00:09:00] you. Like we have to see boom bust cycles. We have to see growth and contraction just like natural ecosystems do. Mary Carreon: Absolutely, absolutely. It has to be that way. Mary Carreon: And if it's not that way, then ifs, if. It's, it like what forms in place of that is a big bubble or like a, a hot air balloon that's inevitably going to pop, which, like, we are kind of experiencing that. But I think that the, I think that the, um, the, the air letting out of the balloon right now is a much softer experience than it would be if everything was just like a green light all the way forward, if that makes sense. Mary Carreon: So, Joe Moore: right. And there's, there's so many factors. Like I'm, I'm thinking about, uh, metas censorship like we were talking about before. Yes. Other big tech censorship, right? Mm-hmm. SEO shifts. Mary Carreon: Oh. Um, yes, absolutely. Also, uh, there were some pretty major initiatives on the state level that did not pass also this past year that really would've also kind of [00:10:00] helped the landscape a little bit. Mary Carreon: Um. In terms of creating jobs, in terms of creating opportunities for funding, in terms of having more, uh, like the perception of safer money flow into the space and that, you know, those, those things didn't happen. For instance, the measure for in Massachusetts that didn't go through and just, you know, other things that didn't happen. Mary Carreon: However, there have been really good things too, in terms of, uh, legalization or various forms of legalization, and that's in New Mexico, so we can't, you know, forget that there, and we also can't forget just the movement happening in Colorado. So there are really great things happening and the, the movement is still moving forward. Mary Carreon: Everything is still going. It's just a little more difficult than maybe it could have been Joe Moore: right. Yeah. Amen. Amen. Yes. But also, we Mary Carreon: can't forget this censorship thing. The censorship thing is a horse shit. Sorry. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to cuss, but it is, [00:11:00] but it is Joe Moore: calling it out and it's important to say this stuff. Joe Moore: And you know, folks, if you want to support independent media, please consider supporting Doubleblind and psychedelics today. From a media perspective, absolutely. We wanna wanna put as much out as we can. Yes. The more supporters we have, the more we can help all of you understand what's happening and yes. Joe Moore: Getting you to stay safer. Mary Carreon: Yeah, absolutely. And that's the whole difficulty with the censorship is that psychedelics today, and Doubleblind for instance, but also Lucid News, also other, uh, other influencers, other creators in the space, they like. What all of us are doing is putting out information that is ultimately creating a safer user experience. Mary Carreon: And so with the censorship, we are not able to do so anymore, which creates actually a lot of danger. So. Yeah, it's, it's difficult. The censorship is difficult, and if you are somebody who posts about psychedelics, I know that you know this and I am preaching to the choir. Joe Moore: Yeah. So can you talk a [00:12:00] little bit about you all at Double Blind made a major shift in the last number of months towards, uh, kind of not necessarily putting everything out there and, and kind of like, um, actually I don't even know the language you use. Joe Moore: What's the, what's the language you use for the kind of model shift you took on? Mary Carreon: Yeah, I mean, it's great. It's been a wild shift. It's been a wild shift. Um, what we are currently doing is we went to a newsletter first model, which instead of just posting onto a website for everyone to see, and then, um, you know, hopefully getting SEO hits and also posting on their, then posting those stories onto Instagram and Facebook and Twitter, and hoping to get traffic through social media. Mary Carreon: Uh, we decided that that was no longer working for us because it wasn't, um, because the censorship is so bad on, on social media, like on Instagram, for instance, and Facebook and Twitter, well, less on Twitter, [00:13:00] but still, nonetheless on social media, the censorship is so bad. And also the censorship exists on Google. Mary Carreon: When you Google search how to take mushrooms, double blinds is not even on. You know, our guide is not on the first page. It's like, you know, way the heck, way the heck down there. Maybe page 2, 3, 4, 5. I don't know. But, um, the issue, the issue with that, or, or the reason why rather that it's that way is because Google is prioritizing, um, like rehabilitation centers for this information. Mary Carreon: And also they are prioritizing, uh, medical information. So, like WebMD for instance. And all of these organizations that Google is now prioritizing are u are, are, are, are organizations that see psychedelic use through the lens of addiction or through drug drug abuse. So [00:14:00] again, you know, I don't know, take it for how you want to, I'm not gonna say, I'm not gonna tell anybody like what is the right way to use their substances or whatever. Mary Carreon: However, it's really important to have the proper harm reduction resources and tools available. Uh, just readily available, not five pages down on a Google search. So anyways, all of that said double blind was our traffic was way down. And it was looking very bleak for a while. Just we were getting kicked off of Instagram. Mary Carreon: We weren't getting any traffic from social media onto our website, onto our stories. It was a, it was a vicious kind of cycle downward, and it wasn't really working. And there was a moment there where Doubleblind almost shut down as a result of these numbers because there's a, like you, a media company cannot sustain itself on really low page views as a result. Mary Carreon: So what we [00:15:00] decided to do was go to a newsletter first model, which relies on our email list. And basically we are sending out newsletters three days a week of new original content, mostly, uh, sometimes on Wednesdays we repost an SEO story or something like that. Um, to just to engage our audience and to work with our audience that way, and to like to actually engage our audience. Mary Carreon: I cannot emphasize that enough because on Instagram and on Facebook, we were only reaching like, I don't know, not that many people, like not that many people at all. And all of that really became obvious as soon as we started sending out to our email list. And as soon as we did that, it was wild. How many, how many views to the website and also how many just open like our open rate and our click through rate were showing how our audience was reacting to our content. Mary Carreon: In other words. [00:16:00] Social media was not a good, in, like, was not a good indicator of how our content was being received at all because people kind of weren't even receiving it. So going to the newsletter first model proved to be very beneficial for us and our numbers. And also just reaching our freaking audience, which we were barely doing, I guess, on social media, which is, which is wild, you know, for, for a, an account that has a lot of followers, I forget at this exact moment, but we have a ton, double blind, has a ton of followers on, on Instagram. Mary Carreon: We were, we, we get like 500 likes or, you know, maybe like. I don't know. If you're not looking at likes and you're looking at views, like sometimes we get like 16 K views, which, you know, seems good, but also compared to the amount of followers who follow us, it's like not really that great. And we're never reaching new, like a new audience. Mary Carreon: We're always reaching the same audience too, [00:17:00] which is interesting because even with our news, with our, with our email list, we are still reaching new people, which is, which says just how much more fluid that space is. Mm-hmm. And it's because it's, because censorship does not at least yet exist in our inboxes. Mary Carreon: And so therefore email is kind of like the underground, if you will, for this kind of content and this type of material journalism, et cetera. So, so yeah. So it, it, it has been a massive shift. It is required a lot of changes over at double blind. Everything has been very intense and crazy, but it has been absolutely worth it, and it's really exciting that we're still here. Mary Carreon: I'm so grateful that Double-Blind is still around, that we are still able to tell stories and that we are still able to work with writers and nurture writers and nurture the storytelling in this space because it needs to evolve just the same way that the industry and the [00:18:00] culture and everything else is evolving. Joe Moore: Yeah, I think, I think you're spot on like the, when I watch our Instagram account, like, um, I haven't seen the number change from 107 K for two years. Mary Carreon: Absolutely. Same. And, um, same. Joe Moore: Yeah. And you know, I think, I think there's certain kinds of content that could do fine. I think, uh, psychedelic attorney, Robert Rush put up a comment, um, in response to Jack Coline's account getting taken down, um, that had some good analysis, um. Joe Moore: Of the situation. Go ahead. You had No, Mary Carreon: no, I'm just like, you know, I can't, when, when journalists are getting kicked off of these, of these platforms for their stories, for their reported stories, that's like, that is a massive red flag. And that's all I have to say. I mean, we could go into more, more details on that, but that is a [00:19:00] huge red flag. Joe Moore: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, for sure. The, I, yeah. And like I'm sure he'll get it back. I'm sure that's not for good, but I think he did. Okay, great. Mary Carreon: I think he did. Yeah. Yeah, I think he did. Joe Moore: Yeah. So thank you. Shout out to Jack. Yeah, thanks Jack. Um, and I think, you know, there's, there's no one with that kind of energy out there. Joe Moore: Um, and I'm excited to see what happens over time with him. Yeah. How he'll unfold. Absolutely unfold. Oh yeah. It's like, um. Crushing the beat. Mary Carreon: Oh yeah, absolutely. Especially the political, the political beat. Like, there's no, there's few people who are really tackling that specific sector, which is like mm-hmm. Mary Carreon: So exciting for a journalist. Joe Moore: Yeah. Um, so model shifting, like we all have to like, adapt in new ways. Kyle and I are still trying to figure out what we're gonna do. Like maybe it is newsletter first. Like I, I realized that I hadn't been writing for [00:20:00] years, which is problematic, um, in that like, I have a lot of things to say. Mary Carreon: Totally. Joe Moore: And nobody got to hear it. Um, so I started a substack, which I had complicated feelings about honestly. 'cause it's just another. Rich person's platform that I'm, you know, helping them get Andreessen money or whatever. And, you know, so I'm gonna play lightly there, but I will post here and there. Um, I'm just trying to figure it all out, you know, like I've put up a couple articles like this GLP one and Mushrooms article. Mary Carreon: I saw that. I saw that. Really? And honestly, that's a really, like, it's so weird, but I don't, like, it's such a weird little thing that's happening in the space. I wonder, yeah, I wonder, I wonder how that is going to evolve. It's um, you know, a lot of people, I, I briefly kind of wrote about, um, psychedelics and the GLP, is that what it is? Mary Carreon: GLP one. Joe Moore: GLP one. Say Ozempic. Yeah, just, yeah, Ozempic. Yeah, exactly. Mary Carreon: Yeah, exactly. I wrote about [00:21:00] that briefly last year and there were a bunch of people like obviously horrified, which it is kind of horrifying, but also there's a bunch of people who believe that it is extremely cutting edge, which it also is. Mary Carreon: So it's really interesting, really fascinating. Joe Moore: Yeah. Um, I remember Bernie Sanders saying like, if this drug gets as much traction as it needs to, it will bankrupt Medicaid. I guess that's not really a problem anymore. Um, but, but, uh, but so like naming it real quick, like it changed the way we had to digest things, therefore, like mushrooms get digested differently and, um, some people don't respond in the expected ways. Joe Moore: And then there was some follow up, oh, we, in the regulated model, we just do lemon tech. And then I was like, is that legal in the regulated model? And I, I don't know the answer still. Mm-hmm. Like there was a couple things, you know, if users know to do it, you know, I don't, I don't totally understand the regulated model's so strange in Oregon, Colorado, that like, we really need a couple lawyers opinions. Joe Moore: Right. I think Mary Carreon: yes, of course Joe Moore: the lawyers just gave it a [00:22:00] thumbs up. They didn't even comment on the post, which is, laughs: thanks guys. Um, Joe Moore: but you know, laughs: yeah. You're like, thank you. Joe Moore: Thanks and diversity of opinions. So yeah, there's that. And like GLP ones are so interesting in that they're, one friend reached out and said she's using it in a microdose format for chronic neuroinflammation, which I had never heard of before. Joe Moore: Whoa. And um, I think, you know, articles like that, my intent was to just say, Hey, researchers yet another thing to look at. Like, there's no end to what we need to be looking at. Abso Mary Carreon: Oh, absolutely, absolutely. You know, reporting on this space actually taught me that there's so much just in general that isn't being researched, whether that's in this space, but also beyond and how, um, yeah, just how behind, actually, maybe not, maybe behind isn't the right word, but it kind of feels from my novice and from my novice place in the, in the world and [00:23:00] understanding research, it's. Mary Carreon: Hard for me to see it as anything, but being behind in the research that we all really need, that's really going to benefit humanity. But also, you know, I get that it's because of funding and politics and whatever, whatever, you know, we can go on for days on all of that. Joe Moore: What's the real reason? What's the real reason? Joe Moore: Well, drug war. Mary Carreon: Yeah. Well, yeah, definitely the drug war. Nixon. Yeah. Yes, yes, definitely the drug war. Yeah. I mean, and just the fact that even all of the drug research that happens is, again, through the lens of addiction and drug abuse, so Joe Moore: mm-hmm. Hard to right. Yeah. Um, like ni a is obviously really ridiculous and, and the way they approach this stuff, and Carl Hart illustrates that well, and, Mary Carreon: oh man, yes, he does. Joe Moore: Like, I think Fadiman's lab in Palo Alto got shut down, like 67, 66 or 67, and like that's, you know, that was one of the later ones, Mary Carreon: right? And, Joe Moore: and like, Mary Carreon: and here we are. Joe Moore: The amount of suffering that could have been alleviated if we [00:24:00] had not done this is. Incalculable. Um, yes. Yes. Yeah. Mary Carreon: I mean the, yeah, it's hard to say exactly how specifically it would be different, but it's difficult to also not think that the fentanyl crisis and the opioid addiction rate and situation that is currently like plaguing the, the world, but particularly the United States, it's hard to think that it wouldn't be, like, it wouldn't be a different scenario altogether. Joe Moore: Right, right. Absolutely. Um, and it's, um, it's interesting to speculate about, right? Like Yeah. Yes. Where would we be? And Mary Carreon: I know, I know, I know, I know it is speculation. Absolutely. But it's like hard, as I said, it's hard not to think that things would be different. Joe Moore: Right. Right. Um, I like, there's two kind of quotes, like, um, not, this one's not really a quote. Joe Moore: Like, we haven't really had a [00:25:00] blockbuster psychiatric med since Prozac, and I think that was in the eighties or early nineties, which is terrifying. And then, um, I think this guy's name is James Hillman. He is kinda like a Jungian, um, educator and I think the title of one of his books is, we're a hundred Years Into Psychotherapy and the World is Still a Mess. Joe Moore: And I think like those two things are like, okay, so two different very white people approaches didn't go very far. Yes. Um, yes and laughs: mm-hmm. Joe Moore: Thankfully, I think a lot of people are seeing that. Mm-hmm. Um, finally and kind of putting energy into different ways. Um, Mary Carreon: yeah. Absolutely. I think, yeah, I mean, we need to be exploring the other options at this point because what is currently happening isn't working on many fronts, but including in terms of mental health especially. Mary Carreon: So mm-hmm. We gotta get going. Right? We [00:26:00] gotta get moving. Geez. Joe Moore: Have you all, have you all seen much of the information around chronic pain treatments? Like I'm, I'm a founding board member with the Psychedelics and Pain Association, which has a really fun project. Oh, that's interesting. Mary Carreon: Um, I've seen some of the studies around that and it's endlessly fascinating for obvious, for obvious reasons. Mary Carreon: I, um, we have a writer who's been working for a long time on a story, uh, about the chronic pain that has since. Become an issue for this, for her, for the writer. Mm-hmm. Um, since she had COVID. Mm-hmm. Since, since she is just like, COVID was the onset basically of this chronic pain. And, um, there she attended a psychedelics in pain, chronic pain conference and, uh, that has pretty much like, changed her world. Mary Carreon: Um, well, in terms of just the information that's out there, not necessarily that she's painless, but it's just, you know, offering a, a brand new, a brand new road, a brand new path that is giving her, [00:27:00] um, relief on days when the pain is, uh, substantial. laughs: Yeah. Mary Carreon: So that's interesting. And a lot of people are experiencing that as well. Joe Moore: Mm-hmm. So there's, there's a really cool set of overlap between the COVID researchers, long COVID researchers and the chronic pain people. 'cause there is Yes. This new science of pain that's yes. Our group, PPA put out like a really robust kind of training, um, for clinicians and researchers and even patients to get more educated. Joe Moore: And we're, we're getting, um, kind of boostered by cluster busters and we're kind of leveraging a lot of what they've done. Mary Carreon: Wait, what is a cluster buster? Joe Moore: Oh gosh. Um, so they're a 5 0 1 C3. Okay. Started with Bob Wald. Okay. Bob Wald is a cluster headache survivor. Oh, oh, oh, Mary Carreon: okay. Got it. Got it. Yes. So they're Joe Moore: the charity that, um, has been really championing, um, cluster headache research because they found a protocol [00:28:00] with mushrooms. Joe Moore: Yes, yes, yes. To eliminate. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, this really great, I Mary Carreon: love that. Joe Moore: This really great book was written by a Rutgers, um, I think medical sociologist or anthropologist psychedelic. Love laughs: that. Joe Moore: Joanna Kempner. Cool. Um, and it kind of talks about the whole, um, cluster busters saga, and it was, it was pretty cool. Joe Moore: Nice. So they've been at it for about as long as maps. Um, oh wow. Maybe a little earlier. Maybe a little later. Mary Carreon: I love that. Cool. I mean, yeah, that's really great. That's really great. Joe Moore: So we're copying their playbook in a lot of ways and Cool. We about to be our own 5 0 1 C3 and, um, nice. And that should be really fun. Joe Moore: And, uh, the next conference is coming up at the end of next month if people wanna check that out. Psychedelic. Nice. Mary Carreon: Nice, nice, nice. Cool. Joe Moore: Yeah, so that, like, how I leaned into that was not only did I get a lot of help from chronic pain with psychedelics and going to Phish shows and whatever, um, you know, I, and overuse for sure helped me somehow. Joe Moore: [00:29:00] Um, God bless. Yeah. But I, I like it because it breaks us out of the psychiatry only frame for psychedelics. Mm. And starts to make space for other categories. Mm-hmm. Is one of the bigger reasons I like it. Mary Carreon: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes. Yes. Which, like, we need to be, we need to, we, no one else is gonna do it for us. We like the people in the space who are finding new uses for these substances need to be creating those, those pathways and those new niches for people to then begin studying, et cetera, and exploring and yeah. Mary Carreon: Making, making a proper avenue for, Joe Moore: right, right. And, you know, um, I don't know that this is a Maha thing, so No, I'm going there, I guess, but like, how do we kind of face squarely America and the world's drinking problems? Not [00:30:00] knowing what we know now about alcohol, you know what I mean? And then like, what are the alternatives? Joe Moore: You know, some, some writers out there on substack are very firm that everybody needs to not do any substance. And like all psychedelics are super bad and drugs are evil, you know, famous sub stackers that I won't name. But you know, like what is the alternative? Like, I, like we have to have something beyond alcohol. Joe Moore: And I think you've found some cannabis helpful for that. Mary Carreon: Yeah, I, you know, it's, it's interesting because it's, there are, there's definitely an argument to be made for the power of these substances in helping, I don't wanna, I don't wanna say curb, but definitely reduce the symptoms of, uh, wanting to use or to drink or to consume a specific substance. Mary Carreon: There's obviously there is an argument to be made. There are, there is ano another camp of people who are kind [00:31:00] of in the, in the, in the, in the realm of using a drug to get off of a drug isn't how you do it. However, and, and I do, it depends on the individual. It depends on the individual and the, and how that person is engaging with their own addiction. Mary Carreon: I think for whether or not the substances work, like whether psychedelics work to help somebody kind of get off of alcohol or get off of cocaine or stop using opioids or, you know, et cetera. Mm-hmm. However, I think like, when the situation is so dire, we need to be trying everything. And if that means, like, if, like, you know, if you look at the studies for like smoking cessation or alcohol use, mushrooms do help, psilocybin does help with that. Mary Carreon: Mm-hmm. But, you know, there's, there's a lot of, there's a lot of things that also need to happen. There's a lot of things that also need to happen in order for those, uh, that relief to maintain and to stick and to, uh, really guide [00:32:00] somebody off of those substances. Mm-hmm. It's not just the substance itself. Joe Moore: Right. So I'm, I'm explicitly talking like recreational alternatives, right. Like how do I Yeah. On per minute, like, am Anitas becoming helpful? Yeah, yeah. Are helpful and Yeah. Yeah. I think like even, um, normal. What we might call like normal American alcohol use. Like Yeah. That's still like, quite carcinogenic and like, um, absolutely. Joe Moore: We're kind of trying to spend less as a country on cancer treatments, which I hope is true. Then how do we, how do we develop things that are, you know, not just abstinence only programs, which we know for sure aren't great. Mary Carreon: Yeah. They don't work. Yeah. I don't, it's, it's difficult. Mm-hmm. It's difficult to say. Mary Carreon: I mean mm-hmm. I don't know. Obviously I, I, well, maybe it's not obvious at all for people who don't know me, but, you know, I exist in a, I exist in, in a world where recreational use is like, it's like hard to define what recreational use is because if we are using this, if we are using mushrooms or LSD even, or MDMA, [00:33:00] you know, there are so many, there's a lot of the therapy that can happen through the use of these substances, even if we're not doing it, you know, with a blindfold on or whatever and yeah, I think like. Mary Carreon: There is a decent swap that can happen if you, if you are somebody who doesn't wanna be, you know, having like three beers a night, or if you are somebody who's like, you know, maybe not trying to have like a bottle of wine at a night or something like that, you know, because like Americans drink a lot and a lot of the way that we drink is, um, you know, like we don't see it as alcoholism. Mary Carreon: Even though it could be, it could be that's like a difficult Joe Moore: potentially subclinical, but right there. Mary Carreon: Um, yeah. Yeah. It's like, you know, it's, um, we don't see it as that because everybody, a lot of people, not everybody, but a lot of people drink like that, if that makes sense. If you know mm-hmm. If you, if you get what I'm, if you get what I'm saying. Mary Carreon: So, you know, I do think that there's a lot of benefit that, I don't [00:34:00] know, having, like a, having a mushroom, having a mushroom experience can really help. Or sometimes even like low dose, low doses of mushrooms can also really help with, like, with the. Desire to reach for a drink. Yeah, totally. And, and AMS as well. Mary Carreon: I know that that's also helping people a lot too. And again, outside of the clinical framework. Joe Moore: Yeah. I'm, a lot of people project on me that I'm just like constantly doing everything all the time and I'm, I'm the most sober I've been since high school. You know, like it's bonkers that like Yeah. Um, and you know, probably the healthiest event since high school too. Joe Moore: Yeah. But it's fa it's fascinating that like, you know, psychedelics kind of helped get here and even if it was like For sure something that didn't look like therapy. Yeah, Mary Carreon: yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. I, I think, I think most of us here in this space are getting projected on as to like, you know, being like what Normies would consider druggies or something, or that we are just like, you know, high all the time. Mary Carreon: Um, [00:35:00] I know that that is definitely something that I face regularly, like out in the world. Um, but, you know, I would also, I would also argue that. Uh, like mushrooms have completely altered my approach to health, my approach to mental health, and not even having to consume that, you know, that substance in order or that, you know, that fun fungi, in order for me to like tap into taking care of my mental health or approaching better, uh, food options, et cetera. Mary Carreon: It's kind of like what these, it's like how the mushrooms continue to help you even after you have taken them. Like the messages still keep coming through if you work with them in that capacity. Right. And yeah, and also same with, same with LSD too. LSD has also kind my experiences with that have also guided me towards a healthier path as well. Mary Carreon: I, I understand that maybe for some people it's not that way, but, um, for me that substance is a medicine as well, [00:36:00] or it can be. Joe Moore: Yeah. Um, so. What are, what are some things popping up these days about like US drug policy that's like getting exciting for you? Like, are you feeling feeling like a looming optimism about a, a major shift? Joe Moore: Are you kind of like cautiously optimistic with some of the weird kind of mandatory minimum stuff that's coming up or? Mary Carreon: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I know that there was a huge, a, a pretty huge shift over at the DEA and I wish I remembered, I wish I remembered his name. The new guy who's now, I believe the head of the DEA, I don't know enough information about it to really feel a way. Mary Carreon: However, I don't think that he's necessarily going to be serving us as a community here, uh, in the psychedelic space. I, you know, I just don't think that that's something that we can ever depend on with the DEA. Uh, I also don't think that [00:37:00] the DEA is necessarily going to be. All that helpful to cannabis, like the cannabis space either. Mary Carreon: Um, I know that, that Trump keeps kind of discussing or, or dangling a carrot around the rescheduling of cannabis. Um, for, he's been, he's been, but he's doing it a lot more now. He's been talking about it more recently. Uh, he says like, in the next like couple weeks that he's going to have some kind of decision around that, allegedly. Mary Carreon: But we will see also, I'm not sure that it's going to necessarily help anybody if we reschedule two. Uh, what from schedule one to schedule th two, three, schedule three. Joe Moore: Either way it's like not that useful. Right. Exactly. Mary Carreon: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's, um, just going to probably cause a lot more red tape and a lot of confusion for the state rec markets. Mary Carreon: So it's like something that we, it's like only ridden with unintentional, unintentional consequences. Unintended consequences. Mm-hmm. Because no one knows how it's really going to [00:38:00] impact anything, um, if, if at all. But I don't know. It's hard, it's hard to imagine that there won't be any, uh, like more complex regulatory issues for business owners and also probably consumers as well. Joe Moore: Hmm. Yeah. This guy's name's Terry Cole. Mary Carreon: Oh, the new DEA guy. Joe Moore: Yeah. Um, I don't know much about him. Terry. Yeah. Terry, I would love to chat. Mary Carreon: Yeah. Terry, let's talk. I'm sure your people Joe Moore: are watching. Yeah. So like, just let him know. We wanna chat. Yeah. We'll come to DC and chat it out. Um, yeah. It's, um, but yeah, I, Carl Hart's solution to me makes like almost most of the sense in the world to just end the scheduling system Absolutely. Joe Moore: And start building some sort of infrastructure to keep people safe. That's clearly not what we have today. Mary Carreon: No. But building an infrastructure around the health and wellness and uh, safety of [00:39:00] people is the exact opposite system that we have currently right now. Because also the scheduling system has a lot to do with the incarceration in the United States and the criminal just, or the criminal system. Mary Carreon: So, so yeah, like we can't disentangle the two really. Joe Moore: It just started, um, I feel negligent on this. Uh, synergetic press put out a book like a year or two ago called Body Autonomy. Mm-hmm. Um, did that one come across your desk at all? Mm-hmm. No. I wish basically contributed. Oh, nice. A number of people. So it's both like, um. Joe Moore: Drug policy commentary and then like sex work commentary. Oh, nice. And it was like high level, like love that really, really incredible love that detailed science based conversations, which is not what we have around this. Like, that doesn't make me feel good. So you should go to jail kind of stuff. Or like, I'm gonna humiliate you for real though. Joe Moore: Ticket. Yeah, Mary Carreon: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh God. Uh, when you think about it like that, it just really also shows [00:40:00] just the uh, um, the level at which religion has also kind of fundamentally infused itself into the scheduling system, but also our laws, you know, like what you just said, this like, shame-based, I'm going to embarrass you and make you into a criminal when you know actually you are a law for the most part, a law abiding citizen, with the exception of this one thing that you're doing for. Mary Carreon: A, your survival and or your, like, your feeling good, wanting to feel good addressing pain. Um, there's a large, uh, like noise coming out of the front yard of my house right now. Hold on. Just a, it doesn't sound too bad. It doesn't sound too bad. Okay. Okay, good. Not at all. Not at all. Okay. Yeah, I had Joe Moore: people working on my roof all day and somehow it worked out. Joe Moore: Oh, good. Um, yeah. Um, yeah, it's, it's fascinating and I, I've been coming around like, I, I identify as politically confused, [00:41:00] um, and I feel like it's the most honest way I can be. Um, Mary Carreon: I am also politically confused these days, impossible to align with any, uh, party or group currently in existence at this exact juncture in American history. Joe Moore: I can't find any that I want to throw my dice in with. Nah. This idea of like fucking way being. Like what is the most humane way to do government as a way it's been put to me recently. And that's interesting. So it comes down to like coercion, are we caring for people, things like that. And um, I don't think we're doing it in a super humane way right now. Mary Carreon: Um, we, yeah, I am pretty sure that even if there was, I mean, I think that even if we looked at the data, the data would support that we are not doing it in a humane way. Joe Moore: So Mary Carreon: unfortunately, and Joe Moore: you know, this whole tech thing, like the tech oligarch thing, you kind of dropped at the beginning and I think it's worth bringing that back because we're, we're on all [00:42:00] these tech platforms. Joe Moore: Like that's kind of like how we're transmitting it to people who are participating in these other platforms and like, you know, it's not all meta. I did turn on my personal Facebook, so everybody's watching it there. I hope. Um, see if that count gets, Mary Carreon: um, Joe Moore: but you know, this idea that a certain number of private corporations kind of control. Joe Moore: A huge portion of rhetoric. Um, and you know, I think we probably got Whiffs of this when Bezos bought Washington Post and then Yes. You know, Musk with X and like yes. You know, is this kind of a bunch of people who don't necessarily care about this topic and the way we do, and they're like in larger topics too about humane government and like, you know, moving things in good directions. Joe Moore: Um, I don't know, thoughts on that rift there as it relates to anything you, wherever you wanna go. Yeah. Mary Carreon: Yeah. I mean, I don't think that they are looking at, I don't think that they are looking [00:43:00] at it the way that we are. I don't think that they can see it from their vantage point. Um, I think that like, in the, in a similar way that so many CEOs who run businesses have no fucking clue about what's actually happening in their businesses and the actual workers and, and employees of their businesses can tell them in more detail. Mary Carreon: Far more detail about what's actually happening on the, on the floor of their own business. Uh, I think that it is something like that. However, that's not to say that, you know, these, these CEOs who employ people who build the A algorithm are obviously guided to create the limitations on us as people who speak about drugs, et cetera, and are creating a algorithm that ultimately is looking at things in a very blanket way in terms of, uh, like we're probably seen on the same level as like drug dealers, if that makes sense. Mary Carreon: Which is obviously a much, you know, there's, [00:44:00] it's a very different thing. Um, so, you know, there's like these CEOs are giving directions to their employees to ultimately create systems that harm. Information flow and inform and, and like the information health of, of platforms and of just people in general. Mary Carreon: So it's hard to say because there's nuance there, obviously, but I would bet you that someone like Elon Musk doesn't really have a full grasp as to the, the nuances and details of what's even happening within, on the ground floor of his businesses. Because that's like, not how CEOs in America run, run, and operate. Mary Carreon: They're stupid companies. So, so yeah. And I feel like that, like, that's across the board, like that's across the board. That's how I, that's probably how Zuck is operating with Meta and Facebook, et cetera. And yeah, just likewise and across, across the whole, [00:45:00] across the whole spectrum. Joe Moore: Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I think, um, a thing. Joe Moore: Then as the people like, we need to keep looking at how can we keep each other informed. And that's kind of circling back to drug journalism like we do and like, um, other, other sorts of journalism that doesn't really get the press it deserves. Right. And I've been getting far more content that I find more valuable off of tragically back on Zucks platform like IG is getting me so much interesting content from around the world that no major outlet's covering. Mary Carreon: That's so interesting. Like what? Like what would you say? Joe Moore: Oh, um, uh, certain, um, violent situations overseas. Oh, oh, got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, um, you know, that America's paying for, so like, you know, I just don't love that I don't have a good, you know, journalistic source I can [00:46:00] point to, to say, hey, like right. Joe Moore: These writers with names, with addresses, like, and offices here. Yes. You know, they did the work and they're held, you know, they're ethical journalists, so yes. You can trust them. Right. You know what I mean? Yes, Mary Carreon: yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, all of this makes everything so much harder for determining, like, the censorship specifically makes it so much harder for the people to determine like, what's real, what's not. Mary Carreon: Because, because of exactly what you just said. Mm-hmm. Like, you know, we are, we are basically what that means, like what is required of the people and people who are consuming information is becoming a smart consumer and being able to determine what's real, what's not. How can we trust this individual? Mary Carreon: How can we not, which isn't analysis process that all of us need to be sharpening every single day, especially with the advent of AI and, uh, how quickly this, this type of content is coming at all of us. Like, especially if you're on TikTok, which many of us are, you know, like information comes flying at you 3000 miles an hour, and it's sometimes [00:47:00] really difficult to determine what's real, what's not, because AI is. Mary Carreon: AI is not where it's going to be, and it still is in its nascent phase. However, it's still pretty fucking good and it's still very confusing on there. So, so again, like the media literacy of the people needs to be sharpened every single day. We cannot be on there, we cannot be on the internet existing. Mary Carreon: That everything that we are seeing is real. Whether that's about, you know, these, um, the violence overseas, uh, happening at the hands of the United States, whether that is, uh, even drug information like, you know, et cetera, all of all of it. Or just like news about something happening at Yellowstone National Park or something that is happening in the, uh, at like. Mary Carreon: Um, like potential riots also happening at protests in downtown la, et cetera. Like all, all of it, we need to be so careful. And I think what that also, like, one way that [00:48:00] we can adjust and begin to develop our media literacy skills is talking to people maybe who are there, reaching out to people who are saying that they were there and asking them questions, and also sussing that out. Mary Carreon: You know, obviously we can't do that for all situations, but definitely some of them. Joe Moore: Yeah, absolutely. Like, Joe Moore: um, a quick pivot. Mm-hmm. Were you at PS 25? Mary Carreon: Yes, I was. What did I think? Uh, you know, I, I was running around like crazy at this one. I felt like I didn't even have a second to breathe and I feel like I didn't even have a second to really see anybody. I was like, worry. I was jumping from one stage to the next. Mary Carreon: However, I would say, uh, one of, one of the things that I have said and how I felt about it was that I felt that this, this event was smaller than it was two years ago. And I preferred that I preferred the reduction in size just because it was, uh, less over, less overwhelming [00:49:00] in an, in an already very overwhelming event. Mary Carreon: Um, but I thought that from the panels that I did see that everyone did a really great job. I thought that maps, you know, it's impressive that maps can put on an event like that. Um, I also was very cognizant that the suits were there in full effect and, uh, you know, but that's not unusual. That's how it was last time as well. Mary Carreon: And, um, I felt that there was Mary Carreon: a, uh, like the, the, the level of excitement and the level of like opportunity and pro, like the prosperous. The like, prospect of prosperity coming down the pipeline like tomorrow, you know, kind of vibe was different than last time. Mm-hmm. Which that was very present at the one, two years ago, uh, which was the last PS psychedelic science. Mary Carreon: Yeah. Um, anyways. Yeah. But it was, you know, it was really nice to see everybody. [00:50:00] I feel like in-person events is a great way for everybody in the psychedelic space to be interacting with each other instead of like keyboard warrioring against each other, you know, uh, over the computer and over the internet. Mary Carreon: I think that, um, yeah, uh, being in person is better than being fighting each other over the internet, so, yeah. Joe Moore: Mm-hmm. People seem to be a little bit more civil in person. Mary Carreon: Exactly. Exactly. Mm-hmm. And I think that that is something that we all need to be considering more often, and also inviting people from across the aisle to your events and creating peace, because in person it's a little different than it is. Mary Carreon: When you have the opportunity to, uh, yeah, like keyboard attack someone over the internet, it's like, yeah. It's just so silly. So silly. We look like fools. Like we look like absolute idiots doing that. And you know what? I cannot sit here and say that I haven't looked like an idiot. So, you know, it's like I'm not, I'm not talking from like a high horse over here, but, but you know, it's like, it's [00:51:00] better when it's in person. Mary Carreon: I feel like there's like more civil engagements that we can all have. Joe Moore: It's practice, you know? Yeah. We're learning. Yeah. We are. We should be learning, including us, and yes, of course. Um, I, I play a subtler game these days and, uh, you know, I, I, I, it's better when we all look a lot better in my opinion, because yes, we can inform policy decisions, we can be the ones helping inform really important things about how these things should get implemented and absolutely right. Joe Moore: Like, Mary Carreon: absolutely. Yeah, it does. It does. Nobody, any service, especially these medicines, especially these sacraments, especially these plants, these molecules, et cetera, if we are all sitting here fighting each other and like calling each other names and trying to dunk on one another, when like in reality, we are also all kind of pushing for the same thing more or less. Joe Moore: Mm-hmm. So a thing that [00:52:00] I, it's a, it's kind of a, I, I had a great time at PS 25. I have no, no real complaints. I just wish I had more time. Yeah, same. Um, same. Yeah. Our booth was so busy. It was so fun. Just good. And it was like, good. I, I know. It was really good. I'm trying to say it out loud. I get to talk at the conference before Rick did. laughs: Oh, oh, Joe Moore: the morning show they put us on at like seven 30 in the morning or something crazy. Oh my god. It was early. I dunno if it was seven 30. Mary Carreon: That's so early. That's so early. Joe Moore: Yeah, right. Like that's crazy. I got zero nightlife in That's okay. Um, I was not, I was there for work. Yeah, Mary Carreon: yeah. I was Joe Moore: jealous. I didn't party, but you know, whatever. Joe Moore: Yeah, yeah. Mary Carreon: I did not party this time really in the same way that I did at PS 20. Was it 2023? Joe Moore: 23, yeah. 23. I only stay up till 11 one night in 23. Nice. Mary Carreon: Okay. Um, okay. Joe Moore: So I behaved, I have a pattern of behaving. 'cause I like That's good. I'm so bent outta shape inside going into these things. I'm like, I know, I know. Joe Moore: And, and I'm like, oh, all [00:53:00] my friends are gonna be there. It's gonna be great. And then it's like, yeah. It's mostly friends and only a little bit of stress. Yeah. Um, yeah. Yeah, Mary Carreon: yeah. I had a, I had a great time. It was really good seeing everybody again. Like you, I wish that I had more time with people. Like there are people that I like didn't even see who are my friends, Joe Moore: so, which Yeah. Joe Moore: Which is sad. That's like a subtext in, in like the notes coming away from 25. Is that the, um, American Right, if we wanna call it that, is very interested in this stuff. Oh yeah. Like the Texas establishment. Oh yeah. Um, the Texas contingent, right? They're deep. They're real deep. Mm-hmm. I have, um, Mary Carreon: let's talk about that more. Mary Carreon: Yeah. So Joe Moore: it's optimistic in, in some sense that psychedelic science is getting funded more. By states. 'cause the feds aren't stepping up. Right. I love that. Right. Yeah. Like, Hey feds, look what we can do. And you can't somehow, and [00:54:00] then, um, we'll see if state rights stays around for a while longer, maybe, maybe not. Joe Moore: And then the other part is like, is there a slippery slope given the rhetoric around addiction and the rise in interest in iboga for compulsory addiction treatment with psychedelics or, or compulsory mental health treatments with psychedelics because of the recent, it's illegal to be a person without housing. Joe Moore: Um, and you're gonna get put in treatment. Mm. Like, that's now a thing. So like, I don't know, I don't think forced treatment's good at all. I, and I don't think like, um, like the data is something like 15% effective, maybe less. Right. Right. It's not a good use of money. I don't know. We're, let's, I. You can go there if you want, and riff on that, or if you wanna talk about like, Texas, um, Arizona more generally. Mary Carreon: Yeah. I mean, I will just say this, I also don't really believe that forced treatment is like good, you [00:55:00] know, data Joe Moore: says it's bad. Mary Carreon: Yeah. Yeah. I also, yeah, I mean, it's like, I don't know. Yeah, that's, it's complex. It's a complex issue. I also don't think it's good, but I also do think that we need a much better framework and foundation for like, if people do want the help, helping them get it. Mary Carreon: Much more easily and in a way that's going to be beneficial for them. Um, and I don't think that that system or that pathway currently exists as we saw in, uh, with, with, um, measure 1 0 9 and the failure of measure 1 0 9 or, or was it Measure 1 0 10, 1 10, measure one 10 in Oregon. Joe Moore: But did you see the response yesterday or two days ago? Joe Moore: No, I didn't. No, I didn't. I'll I'll send it to you later. Okay. So the university did the research, um, Portland State University did the research Yes. And said, Hey, look, there was actually 20 other things that were higher priority. Like that actually influenced this increase in overdoses, not our law. Mary Carreon: Right. Mary Carreon: Yes. It was really COVID for Okay. [00:56:00] Like for, yeah. Right. Absolutely. Also, there was not a. Like there was not a framework in place that allowed people to get off the street should they want to, or you know, like, like you just can't really have a, all drugs are legal, or small amounts of drugs are legal without also offering or creating a structure for people to get help. Mary Carreon: That, that's, you can't do one without the other. Unfortunately. That's just like a, that's faulty from the start. So that's all I'll really say about that. And I don't think that that had fully been implemented yet, even though it was something that wasn't ideal for the, um, for the, for the measure. And I believe it was measure one 10, not measure 1 0 9, to be clear. Mary Carreon: Measure one 10. Um, yes, but confirmed one 10 confirmed one 10, yes. Mm-hmm. Um, but yeah, uh, that's, you know, that's kind of what I'll say. That's what I'll, that's where I'll leave that portion. Mm-hmm. You know? Uh, but yeah, forced treatment. I don't know. [00:57:00] We can't be forcing, forcing people to do stuff like that. Mary Carreon: I don't know. It's not gonna, it's, yeah, it doesn't seem Joe Moore: very humane. Mary Carreon: Yeah. No. And it also probably isn't gonna work, so, Joe Moore: right. Like, if we're being conservative with money, like, I like tote, like to put on Republican boots once in a while and say like, what does this feel like? And then say like, okay, if we're trying to spend money smartly, like where do we actually get where we want to be? Joe Moore: And then sometimes I put on my cross and I'm like, okay, if I'm trying to be Christian, like where is the most, like, what is the most Christian behavior here in terms of like, what would the, you know, buddy Jesus want to do? And I'm just like, okay, cool. Like, that doesn't seem right. Like those things don't seem to align. Joe Moore: And when we can find like compassionate and efficient things, like isn't that the path? Um, Mary Carreon: compassionate and t. Yeah, even, I don't know, I don't know if it looks lefty these days, but Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah, I know what you mean. I know what you mean. Yeah. [00:58:00] Yeah. Um, yeah, it's complicated. It's complicated, you know, but going back, kind of, kind of pivoting and going back to what you were talking about in regards to the subtext, some of the subtext of like, you know, where psychedelic medicine is currently getting its most funding. Mary Carreon: You know, I do believe that that was an undercurrent at psychedelic science. It was the, the iboga conversation. And there's, there's a lot, there's a lot happening with the Iboga conversation and the Iboga conversation and, um, I am really trying to be open to listening to everyone's messages that are currently involved in. Mary Carreon: That rise of that medicine right now? Um, obviously, yeah, we will see, we'll see how it goes. There's obviously a lot of people who believe that this is not the right move, uh, just because there's been no discussions with, uh, the Wii people of West Africa and, you know, because of [00:59:00] that, like we are not talking to the indigenous people about how we are using their medicine, um, or medicine that does like that comes from, that comes from Africa. Mary Carreon: Um, also with that, I know that there is a massive just devastating opioid crisis here that we need to do something about and drug crisis that we need to be helping with. And this medicine is something that can really, really, really help. Um, I find it absolutely fascinating that the right is the most interested party in moving all of this forward, like psychedelic medicine forward. Mary Carreon: And I, I currently have my popcorn and I am watching and I am eating it, and I am going to witness whatever goes down. Um, but I'm, I, I hope that, uh, things are moving in a way that is going to be beneficial for the people and also not completely leave behind the indigenous communities where this medicine comes from. Joe Moore: [01:00:00] Mm-hmm. Mary Carreon: We'll see how it goes. Yeah. We'll see how it goes. We'll see how it goes. It Joe Moore: would be lovely if we can figure it out. Um, I know, and I think, uh, Lucy Walker has a film coming out on Iboga. Mm. I got to see it at Aspen, um, symposium last summer, and it was really good. Mm. So I'm sure it'll be cut different, but it's so good and it tells that story. Joe Moore: Okay. Um, in a helpful way. I'm gonna, I, yeah. I always say I'm gonna do this. I'm like, if I have space, maybe I'll be able to email her and see if we can screen it in Colorado. But it's like a brilliant film. Yeah. Cool. This whole reciprocity conversation is interesting and challenging. And so challenging being one of the few countries that did not sign onto the Nagoya protocol. Joe Moore: Absolutely. We're not legally bound, you know, some countries are Mary Carreon: I know. Yes, yes, yes. So Joe Moore: we're, you know, how do we do that? How do we do that skillfully? We still haven't done it with, um, first Nations folks around their [01:01:00] substances. Um, I think mushrooms are a little flexible and account of them being global, um, from Africa to Ireland and beyond. Joe Moore: And, but you know, that's, we still want to give a nod to the people in Mexico for sure. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Um, yeah. Yeah, it's, I had some fun commentary there that I would love to flesh out someday. Uh, but yeah, it's not for today. Mary Carreon: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, there's, yeah, there's obviously, there's obviously a lot with the conversation of reciprocity here and, um, I know, I, I don't know. Mary Carreon: I, I, what I do know is that we need to be listening to the indigenous people, not just listening to them second, like secondhand or listening to them, uh, once we have moved something forward, like actually consulting with them as the process goes. And that, you know, the way that both parties move, indigenous folks and, uh, western folks move, uh, are at inherently different paces. Mary Carreon: And, [01:02:00] um, I just hope, and I wish, and I, I hope, I just hope that, uh, Western what, like the Western party, the western folks who are diving into these medicines. Slow the fuck down and listen and just are able to at least make one right move. Just one, just like you. Like it's, doesn't have to be this, it doesn't have to be that hard. Mary Carreon: Although the pace of capitalism usually propels, uh, the western folks at, at a much quicker rate than, u

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