In Conversation with UX Magazine

Jieun Kiaer is the Professor of Korean Linguistics at Oxford and her new book, The Future of Syntax: Asian Perspectives in an AI Age, explores the complexity within Chinese, Japanese, and Korean languages, arriving at insights that veer away from traditional approaches to formal syntax. The book also revisits Marc Prensky's “digital native” concept, laying the groundwork for a new generation of technology users, “AI natives.” Jieun joins Robb and Josh for a conversation about the promise and peril of radical new technologies in classroom settings and how we might shift our focus to designing a positive future for AI natives. In this episode, we mention: Jieun Kiaer's book “The Future of Syntax: Asian Perspectives in an AI Age”: https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/future-of-syntax-9781350258273/ Follow Jieun Kiaer's work: https://www.ames.ox.ac.uk/people/jieun-kiaer Learn about orchestrating AI agents for your team: https://onereach.ai/ai-agents/?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=future_for_ai_natives_episode&utm_content=1 #AIPodcast #TechPodcast #InvisibleMachines #AI #ArtificialIntelligence #AIAgents #DigitalTransformation #Innovation #AIInEducation #DigitalNatives #AINatives #FutureOfLearning #TechnologyInClassrooms #AIandEducation #AsianLanguages #Linguistics #TechnologyInEducation #LanguageLearning ##JieunKiaer

Marc Prensky is widely known for coining the terms “digital native” and “digital immigrant”—both now in the Oxford English Dictionary. In this episode, Marc joins Josh for a conversation about the shortcomings of our current education system and how AI might help inspire and enable a new generation of "AI natives" to design their own future. The two discuss the challenges that companies face in adjusting to this new technology paradigm, as well as the potential benefits and risks that conversant machines bring to society. As an eternal optimist, Marc shares his vision of how young people in the third millennium might view productivity and purpose. Marc and Josh also debate the role smartphones play in the classroom of the future, and agree that the world needs more love, empathy, gratitude, and optimism. In this episode, we mention: Marc Prensky's book “Third Millennium Kids: A Hell Yes! Low Stress Guide For Everyone”: https://www.amazon.com/Third-Millennium-Kids-Stress-Everyone/dp/B0DC3J8XV6 Learn more about Marc Prensky: marcprensky.com Learn about orchestrating AI agents for your team: SoundCloud: https://onereach.ai/ai-agents/?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=digital_natives_episode&utm_content=1 YouTube: https://onereach.ai/ai-agents/?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=digital_natives_episode&utm_content=1 #AIPodcast #TechPodcast #InvisibleMachines #AI #ArtificialIntelligence #ConversationalAI #AIAgents #TechInsights #DigitalTransformation #TechTalk #Innovation #DigitalNatives #AIInEducation #FutureOfLearning #TechnologyInClassrooms #MarcPrensky #AINatives

With consumer use of AI technology outpacing enterprise adoption, the fear of companies using AI to get rid of employees has been flipped on its head into legitimate threat to the existence of companies as we know them. There's nothing preventing consumers from using generative tools to disrupt large companies—for example, using a fleet of AI agents to flood and debilitate a call center to take advantage of a promotion. Harsha Gowda and Nitin Bhudia, respectively the CTO and Director of Innovation at Getronics, join Robb and Josh to discuss the risk organizations take by dragging their feet in the race for AI adoption. This conversation explores how organizations can embrace “artificial incompetence” as a necessary initial phase on the course to artificial intelligence, and seed the velocity that will transform their operations. By using AI agents to create an abstraction layer over existing solutions, organizations can take control of their futures. In this episode, we mention: The Invisible Machines episode “Digital Twins in an Agentic World” with Dr. Michael Grieves, the father of Digital Twins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsL3w2bVjmw The TV series “Fawlty Towers”: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072500/ Learn more about Getronics: https://www.getronics.com/ Discover how to succeed with an agentic approach to software: https://onereach.ai/ai-agents/?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=ai_and_companies_episode&utm_content=1 #AIPodcast #TechPodcast #InvisibleMachines #AI #ArtificialIntelligence #ConversationalAI #AIAgents #TechInsights #DigitalTransformation #TechTalk #Innovation #GenerativeAI #BusinessStrategy #AIAdoption #OrganizationalAGI

Digital twins are critical to the orchestration of AI agents, providing the context they need to create meaningful experiences quickly and efficiently. Robb and Josh welcome Dr. Michael Grieves for a conversation about the origins of the concept, which he developed while working with NASA in the 2010s. The architecture required for orchestrating AI agents relies on different types of digital twins that may emerge within an organization, touching on physical elements, temporal data, and collections of unstructured data. Dr. Grieves joins the podcast to explore these connections, drawing from his book Product Lifecycle Management as well as his numerous scientific publications. The trio also discusses how something Michael calls “retirementitus” prevents organizations from embracing the sweeping technologies surrounding AI and digital twins. Learn about orchestrating AI agents for your team: https://onereach.ai/ai-agents/?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=digital_twins_episode&utm_content=1 Buy Dr. Michael Grieves' book: “Product Lifecycle Management: Driving the Next Generation of Lean Thinking”: https://www.amazon.com/Product-Lifecycle-Management-Generation-Thinking/dp/0071452303 #AIPodcast #TechPodcast #InvisibleMachines #AI #ArtificialIntelligence #ConversationalAI #AIAgents #TechInsights #DigitalTwins #AIOrchestration #ProductManagement #TechInnovation #DataArchitecture #MichaelGrieves #FutureOfAI #TechTalk

As AI agents continue to alter the way people interface with technology, Robb and Josh were eager to speak with journalist Matt Alston about his popular Business Insider article “Everyone hates Workday.” In this deep exploration of our multifaceted interactions with machines, Matt reminds us that Workday's UX is different across a whole spectrum of users, and that generally speaking, people don't like using software. The patterns we follow when operating software end up shaping our thinking, and as we move into a world dominated by conversational interfaces, it's important to consider the way these systems are intertwined with our minds. Don't miss this eye-opening episode about the future of project management. Learn more about creating and orchestrating AI agents to streamline your business operations: https://onereach.ai/ai-agents/?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=matt_alston_episode&utm_content=1 Article, “Everybody hates Workday”: businessinsider.com/everyone-hates-workday-human-resources-customer-service-software-fortune-500-2024-5 Learn more about Matt Alston: mattalston.com. #AIPodcast #InvisibleMachines #AI #ArtificialIntelligence #ConversationalAI #AIAgents #UXDesign #Workday #ProjectManagement #FutureOfWork #UserExperience #SoftwareDevelopment #TechInsights

As AI agents continue to remake the way we communicate with machines, what will become of SaaS companies? In this episode, Robb and Josh are joined by Janelle Teng, Vice President at Bessemer Venture Partners' San Francisco office, who recently noted that “2024 has not been kind to SaaS companies” on her Next Big Teng blog. A Stanford scientist and former product manager at Salesforce, Janelle explains why she is bullish on the multi-agent approach to automation. The trio also discuss the ramification of consumer adoption of AI outpacing enterprises and why startups have a clear advantage in this moment. Discover how to design and orchestrate conversational AI agents for your employees and customers: https://onereach.ai/ai-agents/?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=janelle_teng_episode&utm_content=1 Read Jenelle's insights at nextbigteng.substack.com. #AIPodcast #InvisibleMachines #AI #ArtificialIntelligence #ConversationalAI #AIAgents #SaaS #Automation #TechTrends #Innovation #BusinessStrategy #AIstartups #VC #AIcapital

Sophie Bushwick is a regular contributor to Science Friday on NPR and has previously worked for Scientific American and Popular Science. As the Senior News Editor at New Scientist, she joined Robb and Josh in exploring anthropomorphism and AI. Sophie's work reminds us that our introduction to pocket computers came with the heavily anthropomorphized Tamagotchi pets of the late '90s. As we head into the era of conversational machines, Sophie brings her insights to a conversation about the pros and cons of making them human-like across a whole range of scenarios, including those geared toward productivity and entertainment. The correlations and similarities between corporations and AI pose both ethical considerations as well as design challenges, and this discussion draws on Sophie's extensive background in technology reporting to look for answers. Learn about orchestrating conversational AI agents for your team: https://onereach.ai/ai-agents/?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sophie_bushwick_episode&utm_content=1 See more of Sophie's work at sophiebushwick.com #AIPodcast #InvisibleMachines #AI #ArtificialIntelligence #ConversationalAI #AIAgents #TechInnovation #DigitalExperience #TechJournalism #NewScientist #TechEthics #FutureOfAI

We've talked about micro UIs a lot on this podcast, as they are a critical component of AI agents, adding graphical functionalities to an automated conversational experience. Micro UIs let AI agents show users interactive elements—like maps, secure payment interfaces, dynamic graphs, and explainer videos—rather than just describing them. In this episode, we're joined by Cole Gentile, Solutions Designer at OneReach.ai, to demonstrate micro UIs in action. Create and orchestrate conversational AI agents: https://onereach.ai/ai-agents/?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=micro_uis_episode&utm_content=1 Number of monthly active WeChat users from 1st quarter 2014 to 1st quarter 2024: https://www.statista.com/statistics/255778/number-of-active-wechat-messenger-accounts "Organizational AGI is Coming — Most Companies Aren't Prepared," an article by Robb Wilson, Co-Founder and CEO of OneReach.ai and Co-Author of the WSJ bestseller “Age of Invisible Machines”: https://www.intelligentcio.com/north-america/2024/02/28/organizational-agi-is-coming-most-companies-arent-prepared/ #AIPodcast #AI #ArtificialIntelligence #MicroUIs #ConversationalAI #AIAgents #UserExperience #AIIntegration #TechInnovation #DigitalExperience #UXDesign #invisiblemachines

There are many lenses through which we can view the world, and that's especially true when considering the technologies associated with artificial intelligence. In this episode, James Bridle, author of Ways of Being, joins to explore a multitude of perspectives relating to our ongoing relationship with technology. James' book explores the interplay between animals, plants, and machines in the search for planetary intelligence. James offers a broad vision of "thinking" systems that draws from biology, physics, and computation and spurs an investigation of what a corporation is and could become. Robb, Josh, and James have a dynamic discussion, trying on various lenses for viewing intelligence and uncovering new ideas about technology along the way. Learn about orchestrating conversational AI agents for your team: https://onereach.ai/ai-agents?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=intelligence_around_us_episode&utm_content=1 Get James' book, Ways of Being (Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 2022): https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374601119/waysofbeing Learn more about James Bridle and their fascinating work: http://jamesbridle.com #AIPodcast #AI #ArtificialIntelligence #WaysOfBeing #PlanetaryIntelligence #Technology #Innovation #ConversationalAI #MachineLearning #TechDiscussion #AIAgents #invisiblemachines

We're rounding out our deep dive on organizational AGI with Aaron De Smet, a Senior Partner at McKinsey & Company who helped identify "The keys to organizational agility" with colleagues back in 2015. As we discussed in our first episode on organizational AGI, agility is a key component to making the journey feasible. Aaron has been exploring organizational AGI for years and connects the dots between organizational longevity and the technologies associated with AI. This conversation examines the ways our very idea of work is steeped in outdated beliefs and strategies from the industrial revolution and how companies that will survive and thrive in this new era will have to reshape themselves. Learn more about how to create and orchestrate AI agents: https://onereach.ai/ai-agents?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=agi_in_organizational_agility&utm_content=1 Jim Collins, BHAG: https://www.jimcollins.com/concepts/bhag.html The Friction Project by Robert I. Sutton and Huggy Rao: https://www.bobsutton.net/book/the-friction-project/ To learn more about our bestselling book that began the conversation we continue in this podcast: https://onereach.ai/invisiblemachines/ #OAGI #AGI #singularity #LLMs #agile #corporatelongevity #longevity #AIagent #genai #McKinsey #invisiblemachines

We're entering an age when software will be written on-the-fly, by machines, to meet individual needs—an era of ephemeral applications. This will have a massive impact on the emergence of artificial general intelligence (also called AGI or singularity) and Ben Goertzel returns for a lively discussion about the scope of this dawning era. Ben helped to popularize the term singularity and, as the founder and CEO of SingularityNET (https://singularitynet.io/), has long been working to democratize access to artificial intelligence. As he points out in this episode, "AI that can write code, this is the key to the singularity." Packed with food for thought as well as actionable ideas, this is a hard-hitting episode that expands on ideas central to organizational AGI. You can watch this episode on YouTube: https://onereach.ai/ai-agents/?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=ephemeral_apps_and_agi_episode&utm_content=1 To learn more about OAGI and try AI agent demos visit https://onereach.ai/ #AI #AIagents #singularity #AGI #OAGI #Goertzel #LLMs #GraphDB

How do AI agents fit into a strategy for increasing a business' longevity? Imagine having a conversational operating system for your organization that was always learning. The advanced orchestration of AI agents can create a broader technology ecosystem that sets a trajectory for organizational AGI. Whereas artificial general intelligence, or AGI, refers to a system of artificial intelligence that meets or surpasses human capabilities across a whole range of cognitive tasks. organizational AGI seeks to create the general intelligence it takes to run vast portions of a business. Robb Wilson, CEO and co-founder of OneReach.ai, coined the term OAGI and is joined by Josh Tyson, andExec Producer Elias Parker for a forward-looking exploration of organizational AGI. Create and orchestrate conversational AI agents: https://onereach.ai/ai-agents/?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tanmay_bakshi_episode&utm_content=1 #AI #AIagents #OAGI #AGI #generativeAI #LLMs #UX #AIproducts #conversationalAI #AIforgood #Skynetnotyet

In April, our co-host Robb Wilson was asked to join Jess Larsen on the Innovation & Leadership podcast to discuss AI agents and taking an agentic approach to workflow automation at an organizational level. As AI agents take center stage, we're reposting this conversation here to spread the word on the pitfalls orgs can avoid—and the best practices they can follow. Robb shares his hard-wrought lessons in AI adoption, including how to foster a culture of innovation by starting small, iterating rapidly, and scaling successfully. You can learn more about taking an agentic approach to automating your workflows and processes from OneReach.ai: https://onereach.ai/ai-agents/?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=bonus_episode&utm_content=1 This episode was originally published by the Innovation and Leadership podcast with Jess Larson. You can find their show wherever you listen to podcasts, or here: https://www.jesslarsen.net/ #ai #aiagents #agentic #hyperautomation #agi #singularity #invisiblemachines #innovation #leadership #conversationalai #ux #technology

Tanmay Bakshi is a technology wunderkind. He started coding when he was only four years old and his first iOS app was released just five years later, when he was nine. An autodidact and deeply curious technologist, Tanmay works as an AI and application architect for IBM, where he's been involved with ongoing automation efforts with McDonald's. Tanmay joins Robb and Josh for an exploration of anthropomorphism, user experience, and the flexibility required to succeed with the shifting technologies associated with conversational AI. Don't miss a practical and enlightening discussion with this brilliant young mind. Create and orchestrate conversational AI agents: https://onereach.ai/ai-agents/?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tanmay_bakshi_episode&utm_content=1

Journey into the innovative mind of Tom Gruber, co-founder of Siri and Chief AI Strategy Officer of Sherpa.ai. Robb and Josh welcome Tom for an enlightening exploration of humanistic AI—systems that augment and collaborate with humans, rather than replacing or competing with them. Using federated machine learning, Tom is working with Sherpa.ai to train advanced generative models on data in ways that maximize privacy and security. This creates opportunities to create safer personalized experiences, which the trio discusses along with exploring the value of designing around use cases related to accessibility.

Greg Vert, Principal and HR Transformation Leader at Deloitte, returns to Invisible Machines to discuss the ways AI agents are changing the way enterprises approach HR. Building on the conversation they had in back in season one—in the wake of OpenAI's release of ChatGPT— Robb and Josh invite Greg to explore how the simple idea of AI as the UI will launch widespread systemic change. They also talk about how intentionality and empathy can foster better automated experiences for employees as large companies move to integrate the technologies associated with conversational AI.

Legendary tech journalist Kara Swisher joins Robb and Josh for a discussion about the early days of Silicon Valley and the shape of things to come. Her Boom Town column in The Wall Street Journal covered the early days of the internet, giving her access to key players like Marc Andreessen, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Sheryl Sandberg, and Mark Zuckerberg. Swisher joins Robb and Josh to share insights from her new memoir, Burn Book, which reveals the tangled relationships between tech's largest power brokers from the vantage point of an embedded reporter. This episode offers brisk contemplations on how AI will impact business and design.

Learn about the inner workings of AI agents by watching conversational experiences in action. Annie Harshberger, Lead Experience Architect at OneReach.ai (https://onereach.ai/) takes Robb and Josh through an interactive demo of AI agents swarming together to automate complex scheduling requests. Annie has designed hundreds of conversational experiences orchestrating generative AI and other tools. Here, she shares insights into the design process as well as the coordinated effort taking place behind the scenes. This episode provides a crucial perspective for anyone trying to understand how AI agents can scale across an organization.

As the second wave of AI-led disruption takes shape, we're seeing and hearing a lot more about AI agents. Analogous to the Intelligent Digital Workers (IDWs) described in Age of Invisible Machines, AI Agents are more complex that they appear and many organizations are discovering that they aren't structured to allow these agents to perform meaningful work. Robb Wilson (CEO and co-founder of OneReach.ai) and Josh Tyson explore the real nature of AI agents, what kinds of technology ecosystems they require, and how organizations can give them real agency. This practical episode also imagines what the proliferation of AI agents means for the future of software. The bestselling book that explores AI agents, or intelligent digital workers (IDWs) at far greater length is Age of Invisible Machines: https://onereach.ai/invisiblemachines/ Learn more about how to make AI agents, and play with a playground of AI skills: https://onereach.ai/ #ai #aiagents #hyperautomation #conversationalai #podcast #aipodcast #ux #uxdesign #productmanagement #aiproductmanager #aiproducts #aiproductivity #invisiblemachines #googleai #llm #generativeai

Daniel Lametti and Joanna Kuc join Robb and Josh to share the advanced chatbot they created for a research project in mental health. Dan Lametti is an Associate Professor of Cognitive Psychology at Acadia University in Nova Scotia, Canada. Dan taught and conducted research in experimental psychology at the University of Oxford, and is also the Director of Academic Fellowships at OneReach.ai. Joanna is a Data Scientist at Compass Pathways as well as a PhD Candidate in Experimental Psychology at University College London, where her work focuses on decoding language biomarkers relating to mental health. Using the OneReach.ai platform, Daniel and Joanna created a conversational app in Telegram that collects journal entries from participants as either written text or voice notes, and generates weekly summaries. Learn more about this unique design process and some of their findings in an engaging and practical episode of Invisible Machines.

As conversational AI continues to change the nature of UX, we're excited to bring you a practical (and thorough) conversation about hiring design talent with Aaron Cooper, Senior Director of Digital Experience at Banner Health. Aaron has lead the creation of multiple products involving conversational AI at companies like Honeywell and Optum Health, and was generous enough to open up about what he's looking for when hiring design talent and how he makes sure key people within his organization are partners in design. We've also got a special guest host for this episode: Elias Parker, the executive producer of our book, Age of Invisible Machines, and of this podcast. An ethnographer by training, Elias has been working with UX practitioners for more than a decade and has hired over 200 researchers and designers across disciplines.

As the former Chief Knowledge Officer at NASA, Roger Forsgren has a unique understanding of maintaining the administration's renowned gold standard of data management in extremely high-pressure environments. Having worked his way up from a mechanical engineering position with the space administration, Roger joins Robb and guest host Mike Lee for a conversation about the unique rhythms of data organization, retrieval, and maintenance. Exploring ideas from his book "Lean Knowledge Management: How NASA Implemented a Practical KM Program" this is an episode for information science enthusiasts everywhere.

Take a deep dive into the creation of an advanced digital assistant with Jeff McMillan and David Wu of Morgan Stanley. As the Head of AD&I, Morgan Stanley Wealth Management and the Head of Knowledge Management & Generative AI respectively, Jeff and David led the creation of an AI assistant for the global investment firm's advisors. Robb and Josh invite them in for a conversation about the technical work and strategic initiatives that enabled Morgan Stanley to create a knowledge base that's given them a massive leap forward with conversational AI.

Well-known researcher, professor, and author Richard Florida joins Robb and Josh for an expansive conversation about the relationship between cities and innovation. His books include "The Rise of the Creative Class" and "The New Urban Decay," which both explore the multi-layered relationship between people and the cities where creativity becomes innovation. Richard is a sought-after speaker and his strategy firm Creative Class Group works with Meta, Microsoft, WeWork, BMW, Cirque do Soliel, and Google.

Payal Arora is a Professor of Inclusive AI Cultures at Utrecht University and Co-Founder of FemLab. She's also the author of the award-winning "The Next Billion Users" from Harvard Press, and her new book "From Pessimism to Promise: Lessons from the Global South on Designing Inclusive Tech" will be released this fall by MIT Press. Payal joins Robb and Josh for a frank and eye-opening exploration of technology and innovation in the Global South.

As the Global CIO of Zoom, Gary Sorrentino spends a lot of time thinking about how technology can amplify human-to-human collaboration. He joins Robb and Josh for a conversation about the challenges of connecting people in hybrid work environments that are always evolving. As Gary points out, humans are in a joint venture with artificial intelligence, and this episode explores many of the inflection points we need to consider.

Author and UX Legend Greg Nudelman was one of the original guests on In Conversation with UX Magazine over eight years ago. He returns for a rich conversation about the frenzied intersection of UX and AI. Greg has honed his craft as a design lead at GE Digital, Cisco, and eBay and has worked with organizations like IBM, Oracle, Associated Press, and Intuit. He's currently a Distinguished Designer at Sumo and has written numerous books including The $1 Prototype and Designing Search. He joins Robb and Josh to discuss ways that we can iterate faster and further in the age of AI.

As a co-author of the often cited (and debated) Stochastic Parrots paper from 2021, Emily M. Bender is a staunch critic of large language models (LLMs). Having worked in computational linguistics for more than 20 years, Emily's deep understanding of LLM mechanics has her questioning many of the emerging use cases we see in the world. Also, Emily hosts Mystery AI Hype Theater 3000, where, alongside sociologist Dr. Alex Hanna, she breaks down the AI hype, separates fact from fiction, and distinguishes science from bloviation. She joins Robb and Josh for a provocative exploration of generative AI on an important episode of Invisible Machines.

Co-founder of VR technology as we know it Jaron Lanier is also an accomplished musician and artist. As the Prime Unifying Scientist at Microsoft, Jaron rejects the deceptive nature of terms like "AGI" and "decentralization" in favor of a vision of technology that's all about people collaborating with other people. Join Robb and Josh for an episode of Invisible Machines that questions everything.

Daron Acemoglu, Institute Professor of Economics at MIT and co-author of Power and Progress joins Robb and Josh for a deep exploration of the intersection of technology and economics. Daron's work has explored our thousand-year struggle with technology and prosperity and this conversation touches on how we might incentivize the changes that will improve our experiences as a species. There are layers of centralization that we need to think about in the wake of generative AI, and the trio discusses the ways we can challenge the norms associated with our personal data.

For decades, Gloria Mark, PhD, has been studying technology use in real-world environments that she describes as "living laboratories." Her book "Attention Span" looks for ways that we can live with and use technology while maintaining a healthy psychological balance. She joins Robb and Josh for a fascinating conversation about the ways AI might heal some of the damage done by technology and give us space to focus our attention on things that truly matter. You can learn more in Gloria's Substack at gloriamark.substack.com

Lisa Feldman Barrett is a psychologist and neuroscientist whose research puts her among the top 0.1% of most cited scientists in the world. She joins Robb and Josh for a conversation about the true nature of our brains, and how aspects of brain development are already being mirrored by AI models. Lisa holds appointments at Harvard Medical School and Massachusetts General Hospital, where she is Chief Science Officer for the Center for Law, Brain & Behavior. She is also a distinguished professor of psychology at Northeastern University, and her real talk about the predictive machines in our heads is captivating food for thought.

As the Principal Product Designer at Slack, RJ Owen has a hand in shaping a communication channel that's come to redefine productivity while setting a trajectory for how team members collaborate in the post-pandemic world. RJ joins Robb and Josh for a deep conversation exploring the many intricacies of decision management and how the future of productivity might reside in swiping right or left. AI is uncannily good at summarizing information, but as this episode explains, the experience of delivering relevant content to users remains a sizable design challenge.

Sarah Gibbons and Kate Moran of Nielsen Norman Group join Robb and Josh for a deep dive at the intersection of UX and AI. As the Vice President of NN/g, Sarah shares insights from a recent exploration of anthropomorphism and generative AI. Kate Moran is VP of Research and Content and has done extensive research into interaction design and digital content. As leaders at one of the vanguard experience design firms, Sarah and Kate help navigate the frenzied intersection of UX and AI.

As the co-founder of Kayak and GetHuman, Paul English has deep insight into the ways technology can bring people closer to what they're actually looking for. Robb and Josh welcome Paul for an exploration of the ways that conversational AI can become the thin UI layer that obscures all of the messy technology cluttering our lives. Having recently co-founded the Applied Artificial Intelligence Institute at UMass Boston, Paul brings his thinking on how generative AI fits into our technology tapestry to a practical conversation about our changing relationship with machines.

Richard Saul Wurman is many things. The creator of the TED conference has also authored scores of books, ranging from revolutionary city guides to a collection of a collection of words by Louis Kahn. Robb and Josh welcomed Richard for a conversation about the LATCH system he devised for organizing information. This early Invisible Machines recording goes to unexpected places as a legendary architect and designer shares his unfiltered thinking on myriad topics.

Author of Good Talk and host of The Conversation Factory podcast, Daniel Stillman shares insights from his journey through user experience research and industrial design into designing conversations between people. Robb and Josh welcome Daniel for an exploration of the composition and quality of conversations between humans. The complexity present in our everyday conversational interactions lays bare how strategic we need to be in designing the ways we speak with machines.

Cathy Pearl has deep roots in conversational design, as the UX Lead on Google Bard and author of Designing Voice User Interfaces (O'Reilly). She joins Robb and Josh for a conversation that explores the changing nature of voice interfaces and the deepening role of experience design. The trio also discusses the ways that conversational AI transcends productivity, potentially improving the quality of our lives in much deeper ways.

AI researcher, author, and VP and Fellow at Google Research, Blaise Agüera y Arcas has contributed to research papers cited more than 20,000 times, including a seminal LaMDA paper from 2022. His new book, Who Are We Now?, explores how biology, ecology, sexuality, history, and culture have intertwined to create a dynamic “us” that's neither natural nor artificial. Blaise joins Robb and Josh for a philosophical exploration of identity, collective intelligence, and the ways AI might put us back into balance with nature. A frequent TED speaker and winner of MIT's TR35 Prize, Blaise brings the perspective of a deeply forward-thinking researcher to our ongoing conversation about AI.

Despite the complexity and sensitivity innate to financial institutions, Morgan Stanley was able to partner with Open AI to create AI @ Morgan Stanley Assistant. Chief Analytics and Data Officer Jeff McMillan describes it as the most advanced personal assistant in the financial sector and he joins Robb and Josh to talk about the design process, which involved working closely with Sam Altman and the team at OpenAI. Jeff's experiences creating a sophisticated automated solution in a heavily regulated industry offer strategy and inspiration to other organizations hoping to make similar transformations.

Massive amounts of system change are necessary to put AI to work in ways that elevate humanity, and Robb and Josh welcome author and experience designer Sheryl Cababa for a deep discussion of the road ahead. Author of the Rosenfeld Media book, Closing the Loop: Systems Thinking for Designers, Sheryl has worked as an experienced designer at Phillips, Adaptive Path, and Frog and is currently the Chief Strategy Officer at Substantial. Her insights into the important convergence between systems thinking and experience design come at a critical moment when the rapid advancement of technology calls for sober consideration of how we can improve the many systems that make of the world we live in.

In a moment when unprecedented amounts of money are flowing toward projects involving AI, Robb and Josh welcome Jake Saper for a lively exploration of the VC mindset. Since 2003, Emergence Capital has invested in companies collectively worth $450B+, including Salesforce, Box, Yammer, and Zoom. As a General Partner, Jake has embraced the transformative power of generative AI. This conversation explores many different ways these technologies are impacting investor thinking as software becomes cheaper and easier to create.

Robb and Josh welcome Brad Stulberg for a deep conversation about how humans can best respond to the massive changes AI is thrusting upon us. As the bestselling author of Master of Change, Stulberg has explored the cycle of order, disorder, and reorder, and he shares the principles for developing a rugged flexibility mindset—which applies to both personal well-being and AI integration. A former McKinsey consultant and regular contributor to the New York Times, Brad is a professor at the University of Michigan and a sought-after speaker.

Robb and Josh welcome Cammy Crolic for an enlivening discussion of hedonic escalation and anthropomorphization. As a professor at Oxford's Saïd Business School, Cammy's research into how human-like bots affect consumer behavior has been featured in the Wall Street Journal. She is currently exploring human perception around AI-generated content.

Robb and Josh welcome Ben Goertzel for a deep exploration of the narrow AIs we are quickly growing accustomed to and our fraught transition to artificial general intelligence, or singularity. As the founder and CEO of SingularityNET, Ben has been working to democratize access to artificial intelligence through decentralization. He's also a leader of both the OpenCog Foundation and the AGI Society, having helped to popularize the term 'artificial general intelligence'. Topics in this episode include balancing design near-term design concerns—like anthropomorphization—against more consequential issues, such as who will control these systems and how they will interact with humanity.

Robb and Josh welcome David Bingham for an exploration of design and conversational AI, from our homes, to our workplaces, to industrial settings. David is a senior experience design executive who's held positions at GE and Workday and is currently Director of User Experience at Schneider Electric (named one of Fortune's Most Desirable Companies four years running and deemed the world's most sustainable company in 2021). The trio discusses the uncanny valley in conversational AI, the true shape and purpose of digital twins, and updating CRUD (adding "seek" to create, read, update, and delete).

Robb and Josh welcome industry veteran Yoav Shoham for a thoughtful examination of the inner-workings of AI. As the co-founder of AI21 labs and a former professor in the Computer Science Department of Stanford University, Yoav has a rich history of working with these technologies and thinking through some of their more profound applications. This thoughtful discussion examines just how much the ways we live and work might begin to change as we become further intertwined with AI.

Robb and Josh welcome Shep Hyken for a conversation about the evolution of customer experience and the role AI will take in moving it forward. As a sought-after keynote speaker and the bestselling author of numerous books, including "Be Amazing or Go Home," Shep has a deep understanding of what companies are up against when it comes to creating truly dynamic experiences. This lively discussion explores those constraints as well as the massive possibilities new technologies have unlocked.

Robb and Josh welcome food futurist Mike Lee for a sprawling and fascinating exploration of the surprisingly similar worlds of food safety and technology regulation. As the founder of The Future Market, a consultancy in food innovation and strategy, Mike's investigations into the food industry led to hands-on work with generative AI. This conversation provides forward thinking in how we might regulate the unpredictable and now ubiquitous generative tools flooding into all industries and aspects of life.

Robb and Josh welcome Cassie Kozyrkov, Google's First Chief Decision Scientist, for a conversation about the limitations of data and the need to put a face on technology. Cassie is now CEO of Data Scientific and helped shape the technology all around us, and this far-ranging discussion of conversational AI examines the composition of the technologies that go into artificial intelligence, the ways we can use technology to help people make better quality decisions, and why we should look for opportunities to automate "thunking" moments.

Robb and Josh welcome renowned publisher and information architect Lou Rosenfeld for a conversation that gets into the roots of experience design, while exploring the full bloom of generative AI. Running Rosenfeld Media for nearly two decades has given Lou incredible insights into the publishing world as well as UX, which most Rosenfeld titles explore in specific ways. This great conversation brings lessons from the past to the fore as we race ahead with technology.