The Out of the Cave Podcast is a resource hosted by Lisa Schlosberg, LMSW, for all who struggle with emotional eating, stress eating, under-eating, overeating, mindless eating, and have a complicated relationship to food, eating, and body image.
The Out of the Cave Podcast is a remarkable and insightful podcast that delves into the topics of childhood trauma, disorder eating, and self-love. As someone who struggles with chronic migraine and some aspects of disordered eating, I was drawn to this podcast for its expert research and personal experiences shared by the host. With each episode, I found myself gaining a deeper understanding of the effects of childhood trauma and how to heal from it. The information presented is well-researched and thoroughly lived, making it one of the best resources I've come across in my journey towards healing.
One of the best aspects of this podcast is how it explains childhood trauma and its lasting impact in such a clear and understandable manner. The host's ability to break down complex concepts allows listeners to grasp the psychological effects trauma can have on an individual. Additionally, the host shares her own experiences with vulnerability, which adds depth and relatability to each episode. This authenticity creates a safe space for listeners to explore their own traumas and find solace in knowing they are not alone.
The worst aspect of this podcast is that sometimes the audio quality can be inconsistent. During some episodes, particularly when the host speaks softly or lowers her voice, it can be difficult to hear clearly without adjusting the volume constantly. However, this minor drawback does not diminish the overall quality and content provided by this podcast.
In conclusion, The Out of the Cave Podcast is an invaluable resource for anyone navigating through childhood trauma or struggling with disorder eating. Through well-researched information and personal experiences shared by the host, I have gained a deeper understanding of myself and found tools for healing. This podcast has helped me realize my own self-love and has had a positive impact on various aspects of my life. I am incredibly grateful to Lisa for creating such an impactful platform that fosters healing, authenticity, and growth.
In the first solo episode of this series, Lisa dives into what it takes to build a healthy, lasting relationship with movement and exercise. She explores how tuning into your body — not punishing it — is the key to sustainable exercise, and how self-inquiry and experimentation help you discover what truly feels good. Lisa reframes movement as essential care, not a chore — something our bodies are meant to do — and invites listeners to shift from a mindset of restriction to one of nourishment, growth, and joyful embodiment.Topics Include:Exercise MindsetSelf CompassionBody Awareness[1:03] Lisa makes two announcements: the group coaching program that started in May and the five-day retreat at the Omega Institute in September. [3:54] Lisa explains her motivation for recording a solo episode focused on exercise, aiming to provide a comprehensive resource for those struggling with their relationship to exercise. Lisa reflects on her personal growth since starting the podcast, describing the initial anxiety and how she now feels calm, grounded, and grateful for the platform.[5:33] Lisa emphasizes the importance of understanding one's beliefs and emotional responses to exercise, encouraging listeners to reflect on where their attitudes toward exercise originated. Lisa urges listeners to critically examine the origins of their beliefs about exercise, including the influence of experts and profit motives, and to assess whether these beliefs are still serving them.[15:53] Lisa discusses viewing exercise as maintenance and care for the body, emphasizing the body as a vehicle for the soul and the importance of movement for overall well-being. Lisa addresses the emotional challenges of returning to exercise after a break, the tendency to compare oneself to past abilities, and the need for both gentle and fierce self-compassion to overcome avoidance.[41:21] Lisa talks about the importance of engaging in a conversation with the body rather than making demands. Instead of immediately acting on the urge to move by enforcing structured exercise, one should ask the body what kind of movement, duration, and intensity it desires. [57:28] Lisa encourages listeners to reclaim their relationship with exercise, making it personally meaningful and enjoyable rather than dictated by external pressures or diet culture. The invitation is to reflect on how to integrate these ideas into one's life. Lisa invites listeners to submit questions about exercise and movement via Spotify, email, or Instagram for future episodes. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal PromptsLeave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.comOut of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa's SocialsInstagram Facebook YouTubeReclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025
In this episode, Lisa is joined by Danielle Harel, PhD and cofounder of the Somatica Institute. Together, they discuss healing through embodied pleasure, mindful sensory engagement, and personal growth strategies to counteract societal conditioning and rebuild self-worth.Topics Include:Embodied PleasureSelf EmpowermentPleasurable Experiences[1:06] Lisa welcomes Danielle Harel, PhD in human sexuality and co-founder of the Somatica Institute, for a groundbreaking conversation on tackling themes of sex, intimacy, body image, and self-worth. Lisa shares the email that connected her with Danielle and her excitement at exploring this topic on the OOTC podcast. Lisa notes that with over 120 episodes, this discussion marks a first exploration of topics like sex and intimacy on the podcast. They discuss how societal messages and objectification, such as the constant focus on appearance and weight, deeply influence self-perception and body shame. Danielle talks about the need to counteract these habits by reconnecting with internal sensations. [10:06] Danielle explores using sensuality, intimacy, and erotic embodiment as tools for empowerment and this includes embracing full body sensations and recognizing pleasure as a means to rebuild self-worth and challenge internalized cultural messages. Lisa and Danielle excitedly discuss neurobiology and the concept of neuroplasticity, noting that repetitive thought patterns (like objectifying oneself) form strong neural pathways, which can be reshaped by actively engaging with pleasurable sensations and mindful embodiment.[18:33] Danielle talks about sex beyond penetration, promoting the idea of pleasure in everyday experiences such as movement, tasting food, and overall sensory enjoyment and the empowerment found in diverse pleasurable experiences. discussion about food as a source of pleasure. Lisa and Danielle point out that when food becomes the only source of pleasure, it can lead to disordered eating. They discuss the need for a balanced approach where food is enjoyed along with other life pleasures.[35:30] Lisa and Danielle cover the significance of receiving compliments and self-affirmation as a way to counteract internal criticism, encouraging acceptance and internalizing positive feedback. Danielle discusses how many people have a fear of pleasure due to cultural and societal conditioning. Lisa and Danielle discuss the challenge of slowing down and being present, making gradual steps to allow the nervous system to learn that pleasure is safe.[51:06] Lisa and Danielle talk about the importance of reclaiming one's own sexuality from societal and cultural narratives, emphasizing a shift towards experiencing and expressing bodily pleasure as a natural part of being human.[56:04] Danielle discusses the benefits of personal growth experience in a group of other people who are going to do it with you and the core training offered through the Somatica Institute. She shared that there is also training for coaches. Danielle offered a 20% off discount for the OOTC audience for the Love Your Body class. She can also be found on Instagram. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal PromptsLeave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.comOut of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa's SocialsInstagram Facebook YouTubeReclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025
In this episode, Lisa is joined by group coaching alumni, Jen. They discuss Jen's personal journey of healing from childhood family dynamics, body image struggles, and emotional challenges, highlighting the importance of community, self-responsibility, and ongoing support in achieving self-acceptance and well-being.Topics Include:Family DynamicsBody ImageEmotional Healing[0:31] Lisa announces that the next round of the Out of the Cave group coaching program will start soon in May 2025, encouraging listeners to reach out within the next couple of days if interested.[2:13] Lisa introduces the episode as an interview with Jen, who has participated in the group coaching program, aftercare program, and a retreat, highlighting Jen's growth and healing. Jen shares she is 43 years old, a wife, mother to a 19-year-old and a 7-year-old first grader, the youngest of three sisters, and a special education teacher. She identifies as a recovering perfectionist and people pleaser.[4:07] Jen describes being a ‘surprise' child, with sisters 8 and 13 years older, and growing up in a house built for two children. She recalls her parents' backgrounds, family traditions, and the impact of being the youngest and unplanned. Jen reflects on the recurring family narrative of her being a surprise, how it was discussed publicly, and how she internalized this story, realizing its impact only in adulthood. Jen describes predictable family meals, with her father being present and supportive, and her mother always preparing meals. Jen talks about her father finishing leftover food to avoid conflict, highlighting family dynamics around food and emotional safety.[46:39] Jen describes initial isolation and academic focus during the first quarters of college, experiencing loneliness. Her turning point came when her roommate encouraged her to join a sorority, which led to increased confidence and a sense of belonging. Jen realized that many peers in the sorority share similar body image struggles, which helped her feel less alone and more confident.[58:53] Jen describes a period of self-discovery and reinvention during and after college, emphasizing the importance of social connections, leadership opportunities, and overcoming social anxiety. Jen met her husband through a persistent colleague, married after a few years of dating, and navigated the challenges of blending families and moving homes. Jen experienced a ‘geriatric pregnancy' at age 36, lost weight due to focusing on her child's well-being.[1:03:27] Jen discusses the significant stress from her father's pancreatic cancer diagnosis, his death, and a miscarriage, all compounded by the pandemic. Jen talks about reverting to food for comfort and loss, leading to substantial weight gain. Jen sought out supportive doctors, eventually connecting with Dr. Susan Caldwell who recommended the OOTC podcast. Jen credits this as a turning point, leading to self-reflection and engagement with a supportive community.[1:12:52] Jen emphasizes the necessity of group support, aftercare, and the ongoing connection with others who understand her experience. Lisa and Jen discuss that healing has no finish line, is messy, and requires ongoing acceptance and adaptation. Jen talks about initially resisting group programs but found it essential for connection and healing, noting the value of support from others. Jen encourages listeners to overcome hesitation and invest in their own healing, stating the process is life-changing and worth the investment. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal PromptsLeave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.comOut of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa's SocialsInstagram Facebook YouTubeReclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025
In this episode, Lisa is joined once again by group coaching alumn, Theresa and together they explore Theresa's journey of personal growth. They focus on her evolving relationship with food, emotional awareness, and the continuous process of recovery and behavior change.Topics Include:RecoveryEmotional AwarenessBehavior Changes[2:51] Theresa introduces herself as a mother, a wife, a friend, a sister, and all of the things.Theresa reflects on her personal growth since her last podcast appearance in 2023, noting significant changes in her relationship with food and self-awareness. Theresa discusses her struggle with dieting and the illusion of control over food, highlighting her realization of not eating enough calories.[10:29] Theresa shares her emotional journey regarding her body image, including feelings of sadness and the desire to stabilize her weight. Theresa mentions the concept of addiction transference, emphasizing the importance of not replacing one addiction with another.[17:10] Theresa expresses feeling brave and vulnerable while sharing personal experiences, emphasizing the importance of not caring about others' opinions. Lisa discusses skepticism around dieting and the false promise of achieving a goal weight to solve body image issues.[27:32] Theresa shares personal growth experiences, highlighting changes in mindset and behavior regarding food and self-acceptance. Lisa explains using the relationship with food as a mechanism to learn self-love and reparenting. Theresa describes integrating different parts of oneself and developing self-compassion, leading to less judgment and more conscious choices.[33:47] Lisa discusses the ongoing nature of recovery, comparing it to the 12-step model, emphasizing that recovery is a continuous process and not a one-time fix. Theresa shares initial resistance to the concept of recovery related to food, but finds comfort in the idea of recovery from codependence, as discussed by Terry Cole.[51:43] Lisa explains the importance of recognizing emotional eating patterns and learning to sit with discomfort to make different choices.Theresa highlights the value of group support in the recovery process, noting how group questions can help individuals understand their own experiences.[58:13] Lisa emphasizes the importance of the mind-body connection, particularly in moments of stress or emotional distress and the power of breath awareness to shift from a stress response to a stress relief response. Theresa and Lisa discuss the idea that issues with food are often not about the food itself but about underlying emotional needs and coping mechanisms.[1:01:32] Lisa mentions that in module 11 of the 14-week group coaching program, highlighting the ongoing nature of personal development and the realization that change is a continuous process. Lisa wraps up by telling Theresa how proud she is of her progress. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal PromptsLeave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.comOut of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa's SocialsInstagram Facebook YouTubeReclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025 May OOTC Group Coaching Program
In this episode, Lisa is joined by Jasmine Hormati, a registered dietitian and certified intuitive eating counselor, who founded Mendinground Nutrition in NYC. Jasmine shares her insights on a non-diet, weight-inclusive approach to nutrition, focusing on eating disorders and disordered eating. She discusses her journey into the field, the challenges of working in a non-diet space, and the importance of understanding clients' needs and desires for weight loss.Topics Include:Eating Disorders and RecoveryIntuitive EatingNutrition Therapy[1:48] Jasmine Hormati introduces herself as a registered dietitian, certified intuitive eating counselor, and founder of Mendinground Nutrition, focusing on eating disorders and disordered eating with a non-diet approach. Jasmine shares her journey from being pre-dental to discovering her passion for nutrition and intuitive eating, influenced by her upbringing and education in Los Angeles and UC Berkeley. [8:00] Lisa and Jasmine discuss how intuitive eating and Health at Every Size differ from traditional nutrition education, emphasizing a balanced, non-diet approach to food and body image. Jasmine explains her approach to supporting clients with eating disorders, focusing on food, exercise, and body image, while incorporating emotional and logistical aspects.[14:33] Lisa and Jasmine cover the pendulum swing from dieting to anti-diet culture and finding a middle ground with intuitive eating, emphasizing flexibility and balance. They unpack how emotional eating is not inherently problematic unless it becomes the primary coping mechanism. They talk about the importance of having a balance of physical and emotional solutions.[26:37] Lisa and Jasmine dive into how diet culture often disconnects individuals from their body's cues, leading to mistrust and the need for reconnecting with one's body is essential for intuitive eating. Jasmine explains that her practice is weight-inclusive, meaning she focuses on health indicators beyond weight, such as blood values and emotional well-being.[38:00] Lisa and Jasmine discuss how she addresses clients who express a desire to lose weight. They explore the reasons behind this desire and focus on holistic health rather than prescribing weight loss plans. They both emphasize the importance of keeping the client at the center of care, respecting their goals, and not imposing the practitioner's agenda.[40:56] Jasmine acknowledges the challenges of working in a non-diet, weight-inclusive space, especially when clients have specific weight loss goals. Lisa and Jasmine discuss the influence of medical professionals and the importance of questioning their authority when it conflicts with personal health goals.[50:00] Lisa and Jasmine wrap up the discussion with where she can be found online: Website | Instagram.*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal PromptsLeave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.comOut of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa's SocialsInstagram Facebook YouTubeReclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025 May OOTC Group Coaching Program
In this episode, Lisa and Lara Days discuss the controversial topic of pursuing intentional weight loss during eating disorder recovery. They explore different perspectives, emphasizing the importance of first achieving a stable relationship with food before considering weight loss. Topics Include:Eating Disorders and RecoveryIntentional Weight LossFat Phobia[0:06] Lisa begins this episode by announcing the last day of the early bird special for her May group coaching program and a free seven-day mirror work challenge starting March 31, 2025. She also mentions her upcoming Omega Retreat, Reclaiming Peace With Food, on September 7-12, 2025 for deeper in-person healing work. [6:43] Lara introduces herself as an intuitive eating counselor, sound healer, yoga instructor, and musician, currently residing in Dallas, TX. Her work is rooted in her core belief that all humans have the right to experience a joyful relationship with food, movement, body, and self.[8:00] Lisa and Lara discuss the nuances of eating disorder recovery and intentional weight loss. They emphasize the importance of defining recovery and ensuring a stable relationship with food before considering weight loss. Both agree on prioritizing mental and emotional healing over focusing solely on weight loss.[21:53] Lisa discusses a three-level approach to weight loss, focusing on mental and emotional well-being before addressing physical changes. She emphasizes the importance of self-compassion and healthy habits, noting that weight loss can occur naturally when health is prioritized.[33:00] Lisa and Lara discuss the societal obsession with aesthetics and the need for a distinction between weight loss for health versus aesthetics. They talk about the importance of addressing quality of life issues, such as pain and mobility, over superficial weight goals. Lisa shares her personal experience with weight loss and the stigma around wanting to lose weight. She stresses the importance of creating a space where people can pursue weight loss for comfort and health without feeling judged or shamed.[46:00] Lara and Lisa discuss the nuances of fat phobia and weight loss, emphasizing that wanting to feel better physically does not equate to fat phobia. They highlight the need for more nuanced conversations around body image and health. [53:56] Lara talks about intuitive eating and the importance of understanding body cues. They explore that discomfort often arises from unfamiliarity with one's body and stress the need to explore the reasons behind this discomfort, such as lifestyle changes or physical limitations.[1:03:57] Lisa and Lara discuss the ineffectiveness of one-size-fits-all approaches in health and wellness. They criticize the concept of ‘one size fits all' in clothing and diet plans, emphasizing the need for personalized approaches.[1:06:37] The conversation touches on cancel culture, with Lisa expressing a desire to cancel it. They discuss the nuances of cancel culture, acknowledging that while it can be justified in some cases, it often lacks understanding and context. Lisa and Lara debate the impact of ‘What I Eat in a Day' videos. While acknowledging potential harm, they argue for a more nuanced view, suggesting that these videos can be informative if presented with the right intentions and context.[1:16:57] Lisa and Lara wrap up the discussion with where she can be found on Instagram.*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal PromptsLeave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.comOut of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa's SocialsInstagram Facebook YouTubeReclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025 May OOTC Group Coaching Program - Early Bird Special $500 off by 11:59 PM EST on March 31, 2025
In this episode, Lisa is joined by Jaime where they explore Jaime's journey through bullying, emotional eating and alcohol use, and physical pain to her recovery and transformation through the OOTC group coaching and self-acceptance. Topics Include:Emotional Eating and DrinkingEmotional SobrietyImportance of Community Support[0:06] Lisa begins this episode by announcing the opening of her group coaching program with an early bird discount and a free seven-day mirror work challenge starting March 31, 2025. She also mentions her upcoming Omega Retreat, Reclaiming Peace With Food, on September 7-12, 2025 for deeper in-person healing work. [6:45] Jaime introduces herself as a lifelong learner, a teacher, an artist, a writer, a creator, and a healer who always wants to learn and better herself then goes out into the world to teach and heal others. [8:38] Jamie shares her journey of healing from a toxic relationship with food and body image, influenced by her family's diet culture. She recalls a significant childhood memory of being shamed for her appearance, which impacted her self-worth and eating habits. Lisa emphasizes the importance of not making negative comments about food and body to children and suggests resources for parents to support intuitive eating in their kids.[13:00] Jaime discusses her struggles with emotional eating and alcohol as coping mechanisms during middle and high school, leading to social anxiety and isolation. Jaime acknowledges awareness of problematic drinking habits from a young age, using alcohol to cope with social anxiety and build confidence.[23:07] Lisa shares a similar experience with early alcohol use, seeing it as a social activity without awareness of its coping function. Jaime reflects on her self-worth being tied to body image, influenced by bullying and societal pressures during adolescence. Lisa highlights the issue of self-worth being linked to physical appearance, leading to a lifelong cycle of weight loss and gain. [34:58] Jaime discusses her journey with weight loss and health issues, including sleep apnea and back pain. Despite some improvements, she struggled with back pain, leading her to explore mind-body approaches at Omega retreats. She resonated with the teachings of Nicole Sachs and Lisa, which led to a deeper exploration of journaling and self-discovery. [43:26] Jaime eventually joined Lisa's program to further her personal growth and connect with others. Jaime discusses overcoming chronic pain and the importance of addressing body image and food relationships as part of her healing journey. She emphasizes the value of community support in her recovery process.[50:12] Jaime shares her experience in the OOTC group program, noting the benefits of community support and the opportunity to observe personal growth over time. Jaime highlights the importance of learning in a community setting and stepping out of her comfort zone.[1:01:00] Jaime shares a recent epiphany about her fear of weight loss, linked to receiving comments and judgments from others. She realized that avoiding weight loss was a way to control these interactions. Lisa emphasizes the role of control in weight loss fears, noting that emotional resistance can stem from past experiences and relationships, such as parental expectations.[1:06:59] Jaime discusses the importance of balance and emotional sobriety, choosing not to use food to cope with emotions. Lisa and Jaime wrap up the discussion by talking about focusing on feeling good and healthy rather than achieving a specific weight goal.*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal PromptsLeave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.comOut of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa's SocialsInstagram Facebook YouTube
In this episode, Lisa is joined by Jenny where they explore Jenny's journey through challenging family dynamics, emotional trauma, and eating disorders, highlighting her transformation and healing through the OOTC group coaching and self-compassion. Topics Include: Family Trauma Eating Disorder Healing Self-Compassion and Acceptance[2:06] Lisa introduces Jenny, a recent graduate of the Out of the Cave program, highlighting her as a success story. Jenny describes herself as being 44 years old, living in Rochester, NY with her two cats, and working in education. [5:30] Jenny tells Lisa about her childhood, growing up in a household with contrasting parental influences, addiction, and emotional volatility. Jenny explains how family dynamics, including her father's drinking and strict meal expectations, affected her relationship with food. Lisa discusses the importance of creating a safe and pleasant mealtime environment, referencing the division of responsibility in feeding.[18:00] Jenny discusses binge eating as a coping mechanism for emotional turmoil and financial instability, starting at age 11. Jenny shares experiences of body shaming and emotional abuse from her father, which contributed to her negative body image and emotional distress. [23:41] Jenny describes her parents' struggle with alcohol addiction and the impact of her separation on her emotional well-being. Jenny reveals being sexually abused and subsequently bullied, which intensified her feelings of isolation and led to therapy.[31:09] Lisa and Jenny discuss the duality of wanting to be both thinner and bigger for safety and acceptance, highlighting the complexity of body image issues. Jenny discusses a long-term struggle with body image, feeling disconnected from her body, and the belief that being in a smaller body would make her lovable. [40:46] Jenny shares experiences with punishing exercise routines and restrictive diets, believing these would lead to being loved and accepted.[42:19] Jenny recounts how the COVID-19 pandemic triggered a return to binge eating due to stress and food scarcity fears. Jenny found inspiration and support through social media, leading to a connection with Lisa who provided a new perspective on food and eating. [58:50] Jenny discusses her struggle with food and body image, realizing it's about her relationship with herself and safety. She experienced a shift in understanding her inherent worth and self-compassion. Jenny shares her experience in the OOTC group coaching program, highlighting significant personal growth and shifts in perspective, particularly around self-worth and emotional safety.[1:05:00] Jenny describes learning to binge mindfully, which led to a realization about self-erasure and a subsequent reduction in binging behavior. Jenny talks about gaining the ability to process emotions and make choices, which has been transformative in dealing with life's challenges. [1:18:36] Lisa and Jenny end by discussing her personal growth and healing journey, emphasizing the positive impact of the OOTC group coaching program, which helped her with issues related to food and binge eating. Jenny highlights the importance of group support in her healing process, noting the value of being part of a cohort that provides encouragement and shared experiences. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal PromptsLeave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.comOut of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa's SocialsInstagram Facebook YouTubeReclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025 May OOTC Group Coaching Program - Early Bird Special $500 off before the end of March 2025
In this episode, Lisa is joined by Lesley Logan, a pilates instructor, to discuss the transformative impact of pilates on body image, functional fitness, and the mind-body connection. It emphasizes the importance of self-awareness, inclusivity, and the role of pilates in healing trauma and promoting empowerment. Topics Include: Mind-Body Connection Self-Awareness Functional Fitness Healing Trauma through Movement[2:06] Lisa starts this episode by asking Lesley to introduce herself. Lesley shares her first experience with pilates and how she fell in love with it after one class and thought everyone should try it. She discusses how she became an instructor and eventually quit her retail job to teach full-time. [5:30] Lesley discusses her early experiences with body image, influenced by societal standards and family dieting culture. She highlights the struggle of seeing the body as an ornament and the journey to viewing it as an instrument. Lisa and Lesley discuss the importance of functional fitness for aging well, emphasizing the need for strength and mobility to perform everyday tasks and travel comfortably.[18:00] Lesley discusses personal experiences with body image issues, health challenges, and the pressure of maintaining a certain appearance in the fitness industry. She emphasizes the importance of focusing on health metrics like vitamin levels rather than weight. Lesley explains how pilates can serve as a moving meditation, helping individuals connect with their bodies and improve mental focus. [28:05] Lisa relates pilates to healing trauma and overcoming dissociation by strengthening the mind-body connection. Lisa emphasizes the importance of feeling safe in one's body and how mindful movement can aid in trauma recovery. Lesley shares experiences of bringing diverse groups together through pilates, fostering a sense of community and shared experience, even among people who might not typically interact.[34:53] Lesley provides guidance for beginners in pilates, suggesting they look for comprehensively trained instructors and be mindful of class types and equipment. Lesley suggests practicing pilates 3-4 times a week, emphasizing that sessions can be as short as 15 minutes. [45:49] Lisa and Lesley discuss how the primary intention of pilates is to achieve a balance of strength and flexibility, focusing on posture and muscular strength. Lesley explains that it is designed to be a low-impact exercise that is accessible to many people. Lisa and Lesley discuss how pilates helps individuals become the authority on their own bodies, promoting a sense of safety and embodiment. Lesley also discusses how pilates encourages self-care and empowers individuals to take control of their health. [57:58] Lisa and Lesley conclude this episode by encouraging curiosity and self-kindness in one's pilates practice, highlighting that self-care is essential for overall well-being. They also discuss how listeners can find Lesley online: Website | Free 4-Week Challenge | Instagram | Facebook*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal PromptsLeave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.comOut of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa's SocialsInstagram Facebook YouTubeReclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025
In part two of this two part episode, Lisa and Rachel continue to look into Rachel's experiences with eating disorders, chronic pain, and the journey of recovery through therapy and spiritual growth. Topics Include:Eating DisordersReparentingSpiritual GrowthSelf-Discovery[2:05] As Lisa and Rachel continue their previous conversation, Rachel shares her experience with an eating disorder, describing the physical and emotional toll it took, her family's reaction, and the turning point that led her to seek recovery. [17:31] Rachel reflects on the impact of her eating disorder on social relationships, noting isolation and fear of social situations due to food-related anxiety. Rachel and Lisa discuss the ongoing struggle and the complexity of recovery, and the importance of social health in recovery.[22:53] Rachel discusses her chronic hip pain, initially thought to be physical, but later understood as linked to unprocessed emotions. Rachel discusses with Lisa that a physiotherapist suggested the pain was protective, leading to her realization that emotions were manifesting physically.[26:00] Rachel describes her journey of self-discovery through therapy and podcasts, finding solace in stories similar to her own. Rachel and Lisa emphasize the importance of understanding the emotional roots of her pain and the transformative impact of this realization.[29:38] Rachel shares her transformative experience in the OOTC group program, highlighting the life-changing insights gained about food, body image, and self-reliance. Lisa and Rachel discuss the concept of reparenting oneself and the empowerment it brings.[43:32] Rachel shares her journey of moving from living in her head to being more connected with her body, highlighting the challenges and importance of this shift. Rachel describes how the course has been life-changing, helping them to stop obsessing over food and become more spiritually aware, despite initial skepticism.[51:35] Lisa and Rachel conclude this episode with a discussion of the transformative power of the course, with Rachel acknowledging a newfound acceptance of spiritual concepts and no longer constantly thinking about food. Rachel strongly recommends the course, suggesting it should be a mandatory experience due to its profound impact on personal development.*The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC.Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal PromptsLeave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.comOut of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10Lisa's SocialsInstagram Facebook YouTubeReclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025
In part one of this two part episode, Lisa is joined by group coaching graduate, Rachel, a journalist from Australia. Together they explore the profound impact of her childhood experiences, societal pressures, and family dynamics on her body image and eating disorder. Topics Include: Societal Pressure Body Image Eating Disorders [2:57] Lisa asks Rachel to introduce herself. Rachel introduces herself as a journalist living in Melbourne, Australia, originally from New Zealand, Rachel introduces herself as a journalist living in Melbourne, Australia, originally from New Zealand, who recently moved. [4:23] Rachel discusses with Lisa how she remembers her mother would not join family meals due to lifelong dieting, which influenced her perception of food and family dynamics. Rachel shares how she would eat anything to please adults, associating adult foods with maturity and acceptance. [13:47] Rachel describes becoming aware of other people's body image issues around age 11, influenced by societal and familial attitudes towards weight and dieting. As well as learning about dieting from peers and their families, marking a shift in her awareness of body image and food. Rachel discusses how her sister's weight loss journey and her mother's support highlighted the importance of weight control in her family. [22:22] Rachel shares with Lisa experiences with a surrogate grandmother who was very vocal about body shaming, which influenced their awareness of body image and judgment from a young age. Rachel describes using intelligence and academic success as a coping mechanism to avoid judgment and rejection in high school. Lisa and Rachel discuss how they both avoided engaging with body image issues in high school, using denial and focusing on academics as a way to cope with potential judgment. [40:07] Rachel shares the impact of her parents' divorce announcement at age 15, the move to Australia, and the feeling of needing to be the adult in the situation. Rachel talks about her strong attachment to her mother, feeling safe only when she was present, and the impact of her absence after moving to Australia. She recounts the abusive behavior of her stepfather, the pressure to please him, and the impact on the family dynamics. [1:00:52] Rachel explains to Lisa how the need to please her stepfather and control her environment led to the development of an eating disorder. Rachel discusses the pressure to maintain weight loss after being noticed by others, leading to a cycle of excessive exercise and restricted eating as a form of control and security. [1:06:39] Lisa and Rachel end part one of this episode by sharing personal experiences of how eating disorders provided a sense of control amidst chaos, comparing it to addiction, and the disconnect from physical sensations like hunger. They highlight the common misconception that people with eating disorders are aware of their physical state, explaining the mental disassociation from their bodies. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025
In this episode, Lisa welcomes Laura to share her inspiring journey of healing her relationship with food and body image. Together, they delve into Laura's transformative path toward mindful eating and reconnecting with her body. Topics Include: Body Image Food Rules Emotional Healing [1:24] Lisa introduces Laura, a graduate of the Out of the Cave program, who is excited to share her journey. Laura introduces herself, mentioning her work as a virtual academic advisor and her love for podcasts, movies, and live music. [9:31] Laura shares with Lisa the strict food rules from ages six to ten, influenced by her mother's emphasis on health, such as having half the plate filled with vegetables and limited dessert portions. Laura discusses how she felt the rules around food were just another set of rules to follow in an already unstable childhood environment, leading to a sense of rebellion and desire for control. [15:05] Lisa and Laura discuss how gaining independence around age 14-15 allowed her to make her own food choices, which felt liberating and rebellious against the food restrictions. Laura reflects on her weight gain in high school, which was noticed and commented on by her mother, leading to a need to hide eating habits. [25:40] Laura discusses that she aware of her weight gain and had mixed feelings about it, balancing a ‘fuck it' attitude with a desire for social acceptance and attention. Laura discusses her tumultuous college experience, including transferring schools, dealing with depression, and using food as a coping mechanism. [42:30] Laura describes how food became a source of control and comfort during uncertain times, such as college and the pandemic. Lisa and Laura discuss the emotional relationship with food and how it was intertwined with her life experiences. They talk about the transition to adulthood, focusing on the lack of guidance in managing responsibilities like food and money. They reflect on the challenges of becoming self-sufficient. [51:07] Laura talks about her emotional state during various life stages, including college, early adulthood, and the pandemic. Lisa and Laura discuss how her mental health was affected by life not going as planned. Laura discusses experiencing anxiety during a heavy conversation before a retreat, leading to an emotional breakthrough allowing her to verbalize long-held feelings about her body and food. Laura joins Lisa's group coaching program that helps her understand the science behind her behaviors and emotions. [57:41] Through the OOTC program, Laura learns about the concept of emotional safety, realizing how her brain perceives safety and how it affects her choices around food and movement. Lisa and Laura discuss how the program helped her find a balance between emotional exploration and scientific understanding, leading to personal growth. Laura describes a shift in her relationship with food and movement, moving from fear to empowerment. She shares a significant moment of walking a boardwalk, realizing her capability and safety. [1:07:39] Laura discusses learning to regulate eating habits, understanding hunger cues, and making healthier food choices without strict dieting. Lisa emphasizes the importance of mindful eating, allowing full permission to choose foods without restriction, and making intentional choices. Lisa acknowledges Laura's weight loss as a byproduct of mindful eating and body connection, without focusing on scales or tracking. [1:21:00] As the episode closes, Laura reflects on personal growth, clarity, and understanding of being human, with a focus on slowing down and being present. She also expresses her gratitude to Lisa for all the program has done for her. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025
Lisa is joined by Manya Ronay, a Level 3 Internal Family Systems (IFS) practitioner, Certified Health Education Specialist (CHES®), and Food Addiction Recovery Advocate (FARA) living in Israel. She works at the intersection of physical health and emotional health, specializing in IFS for eating and mind-body healing. The interview explores the impact of ultra-processed foods on health, the complexities of food addiction versus intuitive eating, and critiques mainstream eating disorder treatments. It emphasizes holistic approaches, including IFS, for healing and empowerment. Topics Include: Diet Culture Anti-Diet Culture Food Addictions Eating Disorders IFS [0:36] Lisa describes how she connected with Manya through Instagram, feeling a rare connection with someone like-minded. Manya shares that living in Israel during a war affects her nervous system, causing a shutdown stage, but she feels happy to be part of the podcast. She discusses her journey from conventional medicine to holistic practices after being diagnosed with POTS, leading her to explore food and lifestyle changes. [4:29] Manya explains the concept of ultra-processed foods using the NOVA classification, highlighting their hyper-palatable nature and health impacts. Manya describes her transition to using IFS in her practice, finding it a perfect model for understanding internal and external dynamics in nutrition. [10:11] Manya discusses how changing her diet helped alleviate severe gastrointestinal symptoms and was a step towards overall healing, including acupuncture and mind-body healing. Manya explains the negative health impacts of ultra-processed foods, linking them to chronic diseases and shorter lifespans, and highlights the high percentage of such foods in typical diets. Manya references Dr. Chris Palmer's work linking ultra-processed foods to mental health issues by affecting mitochondria and energy production in cells. [16:59] Manya shares insights from working with a food addiction recovery group, noting that ultra-processed foods can be addictive, similar to substances like alcohol. Lisa examines intuitive eating, suggesting it works for those affected by diet culture but not for those using food to cope with trauma, as it doesn't address underlying emotional issues. [33:01] Lisa discusses mainstream eating disorder treatment for being dismissive and leading to high relapse rates. Manya agrees, noting that both eating disorder and food addiction treatments often involve ignoring or fighting internal voices, which can be harmful. Lisa explains the challenges of balancing intuitive eating with health priorities, highlighting a client's struggle with internal polarization between eating freely and prioritizing health. [34:29] Lisa and Manya discuss using IFS to address eating issues by acknowledging and listening to different internal voices, promoting a holistic and non-judgmental approach to healing. Manya emphasizes the importance of empowerment and choice in healing, suggesting that feeling in control and having options can contribute significantly to recovery. [40:52] Manya shares the IFS eating triangle and how it can go in multiple directions, and the bi-directional arrows represent different experiences of individuals. The roles of firefighters and managers in IFS are not always clear-cut. Eating can be a manager role if it is preemptive, showing the model's imperfections. Intuitive eating and food addiction can be mapped on the same triangle, with intuitive eating going counterclockwise and food addiction clockwise. [1:06:00] Manya draws parallels between mind-body practices and intuitive eating, highlighting how both can ignore the biological effects of food. They emphasize the importance of understanding how food affects the body beyond just emotional or psychological aspects. [1:07:39] Lisa reflects on the pendulum swing between diet culture and anti-diet culture, advocating for a balanced approach that considers both intuitive eating and nutritional health. Manya emphasizes that healing and taking care of one's body is a lifelong journey, not a quick fix. They discuss the importance of continuously attending to one's health and well-being. Learn more about Manya and connect at: Website | Instagram | Facebook | LinkedIn | IFS triangles mentioned in episode *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025
Lisa is joined by Cynthia Santiago-Borbón, a multi-faceted healer, as she discusses healing, personal growth, and the intersection with social change. It emphasizes the importance of self-awareness, societal detachment, and the impact of personal healing on broader social systems. Topics Include: Holistic Healing Personal Growth Disordered Eating Societal Change [1:20] Lisa shares the story of how she met Cynthia, through her ex-client, then highlights the serendipitous and magical nature of their meeting, which led to Cynthia teaching at Lisa's retreat. Cynthia describes herself as a multi-faceted healer, residing between New York City and Puerto Rico. She focuses on the intersection of self-development, spirituality, and social change, working primarily with other healers. [10:20] Cynthia shares how her experience growing up in a home with domestic violence influenced her career path, driving her to advocate for justice and safety for others. Cynthia and Lisa discuss her journey from working with women fleeing domestic violence to becoming a therapist and coach, emphasizing her desire to create inclusive environments for healing. [15:30] Cynthia shares her journey from childhood spirituality to disillusionment with organized religion, and eventually finding a personal spiritual path that includes healing and self-discovery. She emphasizes the importance of continuous personal healing and growth. Cynthia shares her struggle with body image and societal standards, and how she began to challenge negative thoughts and beliefs about her body. She talks about finding what is right about oneself and avoiding comparisons with others. [26:00] Cynthia discusses the importance of the mind-body-spirit connection in personal healing and growth. She describes how she worked on these aspects simultaneously to improve her self-acceptance and happiness. Cynthia discusses the challenge of societal comparison and emphasizes the importance of recognizing one's unique path and character, independent of societal norms. [35:40] Lisa introduces a framework of awareness, acceptance, and aligned action as a process for personal growth and breaking free from dissatisfaction. Cynthia shares personal experiences with body image issues, societal standards, and overcoming an eating disorder by rejecting societal control mechanisms. [39:29] Cynthia attributes personal growth and healing to spiritual and ancestral guidance, emphasizing the importance of connecting with one's roots and inner wisdom. Lisa and Cynthia discuss the importance of commitment in overcoming personal challenges, highlighting that recovery is a continuous process requiring dedication. Cynthia talks about how personal healing contributes to social change by making individuals more compassionate and effective in her interactions with others. [58:52] Lisa and Cynthia emphasize the importance of making conscious choices rather than operating on autopilot. She discusses how choosing actions that align with one's well-being can lead to self-love and commitment to oneself. Lisa and Cynthia discuss the impact of social systems, colonization, and privilege on individuals. They explore the challenge of operating within these systems while striving for personal freedom and not letting them define one's value. [1:04:17] Cynthia shares her frustration with systemic racism and the dehumanization of Black men. She stresses the importance of recognizing humanity in everyone and not allowing oppressive systems to dictate personal worth. Cynthia emphasizes that personal healing and social change are interconnected. She calls for healers to challenge social paradigms that diminish humanity and emphasize the need for collective liberation. Lisa and Cynthia discuss the importance of recognizing and challenging internalized biases, such as racism and fatphobia, to foster genuine human connections beyond societal categories. [1:20:28] Lisa and Cynthia close out with how Cynthia can be found on social media and her website: Cynthia's Instagram | Facebook | Website *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025
Lisa is joined by April, a group coaching alum, as she discusses her journey of personal transformation, focusing on overcoming substance abuse and emotional eating, and the impact of emotional awareness in recovery programs. Her story emphasizes the importance of self-awareness and the influence of online content in personal growth. Topics Include: Food and Body Issues Substance Abuse Recovery Emotional Awareness [1:09] Lisa introduces April, a coaching graduate, and expresses excitement about sharing April's journey. April shares her nervousness about the interview and her decision to approach it authentically without over-preparing. April introduces herself as a 58-year-old mother of three from Cape Cod, Massachusetts, and discusses her transition after her children left home. [4:40] Lisa and April reflect on her childhood, noting that food issues weren't apparent until later, but there were underlying dynamics related to food and money. April recalls learning about food as a reward or punishment during her childhood. [9:01] April shares her self-perception as ‘big boned' from childhood and how it evolved over time, particularly after having children and dealing with weight issues. Lisa and April discuss her childhood, including her parents' young age, lack of attention, and the responsibilities she took on with raising her siblings, which contributed to her substance abuse starting at the age of 12. April reflects on her journey to sobriety at 25, and how a moment with her daughter prompted her to attend AA meetings. [22:00] April describes her struggle with emotional eating as a coping mechanism for anxiety and stress, and her experiences with various diets over 30 years, often resulting in weight gain. [30:15] Lisa and April discuss the importance of recognizing the emotional component in programs, highlighting how it can be a transformative aspect for participants. Lisa mentions how social media algorithms can lead people to discover beneficial programs, as was the case with finding ‘Life With Kate' on Instagram. April describes how following Lisa online provided significant insights and motivation, emphasizing the impact of online content on personal growth. [39:54] Lisa explains the program's structure, divided into three parts: understanding the problem, finding solutions, and maintaining progress. April shares her initial skepticism and eventual breakthroughs, emphasizing the importance of mindful eating and self-permission. [46:05] April discusses significant personal realizations, such as not hating their body but disliking past actions. They highlight the importance of self-awareness, journaling, and reparenting themselves emotionally. Lisa uses Plato's allegory of the cave to illustrate the transformative journey participants undergo, moving from ignorance to enlightenment and freedom. [53:17] Lisa and April wrap up with the discussion of how April is incorporating the tools she learned to cope with the emotions of life and how she has created a sense of safety with them. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025
In this episode, Lisa is joined by Gina, a mother of three and yoga instructor, who loves dogs and to cook, as they discuss the transformative power of yoga in personal and spiritual growth, emphasizing the importance of embracing discomfort, connecting mind and body, and nurturing one's inner child for overall well-being. Topics Include: Healing power of yoga Embracing Discomfort Importance of the Pause Self-Care [1:35] Lisa begins with how yoga has been life-changing for her life, providing mental and physical challenges that promote personal growth. Lisa discusses her personal journey with being introduced to yoga and then becoming a yoga instructor. Lisa highlights the significance of a good yoga instructor, noting that Gina is exceptional in creating transformative experiences. Gina acknowledges that her teaching style may not be for everyone but is beneficial for those who embrace it. [8:21] Lisa and Gina discuss the value of discomfort in personal growth. Lisa shares how yoga challenges her ego, while Gina recounts overcoming her fear of public speaking, leading to growth as a yoga instructor. [14:41] Gina shares her journey into yoga, starting from a suggestion to alleviate stomach pain, leading to a healthier lifestyle and a deeper spiritual connection. [22:49] Gina talks about her family dynamics, including her father's influence as a recovering addict, which shaped her understanding of spirituality and personal growth. Gina discusses her spiritual growth influenced by her father's recovery journey and yoga, emphasizing the idea of being a spiritual being having a human experience. [38:53] Gina emphasizes the transformative power of taking a breath to gain perspective and manage daily stressors effectively. Lisa discusses how yoga helps in connecting the mind and body, aiding in recognizing stress responses and transitioning to stress relief. [40:45] Lisa explains how emotional eating, whether through overeating or dieting, is a response to stress and disconnection from the body. Lisa highlights the physiological aspect of stress, explaining the parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous systems' roles and how breathing can shift between them. [44:18] Gina shared a personal story about controlling food intake during stressful times, realizing it was unhealthy, and the importance of addressing underlying issues rather than seeking control through diet. Lisa and Gina discuss how yoga helped them connect with their bodies, emphasizing the transformative power of yoga in understanding and feeling emotions physically. [1:02:13] Lisa and Gina talk about using yoga to build tolerance for discomfort, which helps in personal growth. They emphasized the importance of feeling safe while being uncomfortable to facilitate growth. Gina advised against perfectionism, suggesting a B-plus approach to tasks to encourage action and progress, sharing personal experiences of overcoming perfectionism. [1:06:30] Lisa discusses the concept of going on autopilot to make beneficial choices, emphasizing that it is a way to honor oneself rather than neglect. Gina agrees, relating it to nurturing the inner child and making healthier choices. Gina talks about nurturing the inner child and allowing children to shine by supporting their interests. This is linked to personal healing and self-care as adults. Gina emphasizes that one can restart their day at any time, accepting human imperfections and making better choices without letting past decisions derail their life. [1:12:26] Lisa and Gina close by discussing how to register for their in-person workshop, Let That Sh*t Go, being held on December 7, 2:00 - 4:00 PM at Merrick Hot Yoga Studio, and how to find Gina on Instagram: GinaMarieYogini and WhatsGinaMaking. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025 - For $50 off use code: graduate1
Lisa is joined by Susan, an OOTC group coaching alum from Rochester, Minnesota, who shares her challenges related to body image, trauma, and personal growth. It highlights her resilience and transformation through radical acceptance and self-compassion, showcasing her ability to adapt and find healing amidst adversity. Topics Include: Family dynamics Grief and Loss Personal Growth through Challenges Radical Acceptance and Self-Compassion [1:11] Lisa and Susan begin the conversation with Susan introducing herself and sharing her early memories of feeling envious of her sister's thin body and internalizing negative comments about her own “stocky” body. She recalls being aware of her family's concern about her weight from a young age. [7:40] Susan recounts experiences of sexual abuse by her grandfather and how the lack of support or acknowledgment from her family contributed to her feelings of shame and isolation. Lisa and Susan discuss her early attempts at dieting, starting in seventh grade. [25:16] Susan discusses using food as comfort during high school, leading to weight gain. Lisa and Susan reflect on dieting and the impact of starvation on weight gain, acknowledging both emotional eating and physical effects of dieting. Susan shares with Lisa the desire to fit in socially and be asked to dance, influenced by her mother's comments. She discusses the impact of social expectations on her self-image and dieting habits. [29:05] Susan recounts significant life events, including marriage, teaching, and family illnesses, highlighting resilience through personal and family health crises, including her son's cancer and her own health struggles. Susan describes to Lisa how she used food, reading, and learning as coping mechanisms during stressful periods, emphasizing the struggle to manage weight amidst life's challenges. [43:02] Susan shares her journey of focusing on health and wellness, including walking marathons and taking fitness classes, despite not achieving significant weight loss. Susan describes her struggles with eye health, including macular degeneration, which led to her retirement in 2005. [47:58] Susan recounts her experience at a school for the blind, learning to adapt to vision loss, and her involvement in political activities during this time. Susan also shares with Lisa the challenges of finding the right care for her son and dealing with the grief of his passing in 2017. Susan describes the isolation and challenges she faced during the COVID-19 pandemic while living alone and her journey towards self-compassion and healing through various resources, including meditation. [1:05:12] Susan and Lisa discuss the importance of radical acceptance in transformation, emphasizing that feelings are not fatal and that transformation begins with accepting what is. They discuss how the OOTC group coaching curriculum design brings together various teachings into a cohesive understanding. They also talk about the importance of embodying knowledge and practicing it, rather than just memorizing it which involves being present in the body and sitting with feelings. [1:14:56] Lisa and Susan concluded with a discussion about the practice of journal speak as essential for processing emotions. Susan also shares her gratitude to Lisa for holding a safe space for her through the interview and group coaching program. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Reclaiming Peace With Food Retreat at the Omega Institute - September 7-12, 2025 - For $50 off use code graduate1 Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
In this episode, Lisa is joined by Wendy, OOTC group coaching program alum, a middle-aged cat lady, scientist, and member of a comedy band in Philadelphia, PA. They discuss the transformative journey of healing one's relationship with food and body image, emphasizing the importance of self-compassion, community support, and mindful eating. Topics Include: Societal messages on body image and eating behaviors Coping with Loss Self Love and Compassion Personal Transformation [1:43] Lisa and Wendy begin the conversation with Wendy sharing that food was not a significant issue in early childhood, though her mom was strict about certain foods like potato chips to avoid getting fat. Wendy discusses how she started noticing her body was different from others around age 7-8, leading to social anxiety and a heightened awareness of her body. [7:29] Wendy and Lisa discuss how media and cartoons in the 80s often portrayed fat characters negatively, reinforcing the stigma around being overweight. Lisa elaborates on how societal messages teach children that being fat is undesirable, often without questioning these beliefs. [13:15] Wendy and Lisa discuss her being sent to a counselor in fourth grade due to anxiety about fitting in and social issues. Wendy recalls avoiding eating in front of others, especially boys, due to fear of being judged for her weight. [19:12] Wendy discusses coming out of her shell in junior high and high school, finding confidence through theater, and noticing friends' eating habits. Wendy realized around age 14 that some people restrict food to control her weight, and shared an incident where she unintentionally spread a rumor about a friend's eating habits. Wendy describes feeling insecure about her body, avoiding wearing revealing clothes, and not wanting to see herself in the mirror. [25:38] Wendy talks about using food, such as fat-free blueberry muffins, as a coping mechanism for stress and anxiety during college. Wendy and Lisa talk about the conflict between wanting to eat for comfort and not wanting to gain weight, even considering extreme measures like a tapeworm. Wendy eventually realized the need for anxiety medication and discussed the stigma around mental health in the late 90s and early 2000s. [38:13] Wendy discussed the impact of her mother's illness and how she stopped eating due to her mother's inability to eat, leading to significant weight loss and a lack of energy. Lisa and Wendy discuss finally attaining her goal but feeling awful as a result of not eating. [40:31] Wendy described a period of personal growth in her early 30s, including taking up cycling, improv, and starting a band. Wendy and Lisa talk about how her struggles with body image, including weight fluctuations and discomfort with her appearance started up again. [44:22] Wendy recounted how they connected with Lisa through a mutual friend and joined a group program and they discuss the benefits of group therapy, including shared experiences and mutual support. Wendy shares that the group program helped her open up and learn a more loving way to relate to herself, and she appreciated the support and understanding from the group. [49:13] Wendy discussed how the program helped her be kinder to herself, using the metaphor of not having a ‘tiger' to fear, and how this shift in perspective reduced her self-criticism. Wendy mentioned that they became more mindful about her eating habits, choosing foods that wouldn't cause discomfort and not feeling guilty about occasional indulgences. Lisa noted the importance of integrating and practicing the lessons learned in the program, which Wendy confirmed by sharing her ongoing mindfulness and self-care practices. [1:06:59] Lisa and Wendy concluded with the message that it's important to like oneself and not listen to negative self-talk, reinforcing the here of self-acceptance. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
In this episode, Lisa is joined by Kimberly, OOTC group coaching program alum, a dancer, psychotherapist, singer-songwriter, and entertainment lawyer as she shares her deeply personal journey through life and her recovery from an eating disorder. Topics Include: Overcoming abuse Perfectionism Loss of a Child JournalSpeak and Recovery [1:15] Lisa and Kimberley jump right in with Kimberly introducing herself and discussing growing up with a mother with an eating disorder and how early family dynamics shaped her views on food and body image. [5:50] Kimberly and Lisa discuss the pressures of perfectionism and how dancing contributed to her struggle with an eating disorder starting at a young age. [18:50] Kimberly recounts to Lisa her experiences in high school, battling anorexia, being hospitalized 13 times between 9th and 12th grades, and her relapse. [23:45] Kimberly talks about how her music career derailed due to her eating disorder, leading her to pursue law school instead. [26:07] Kimberly opens up about her abusive marriage and how that experience impacted her mental health and eating disorder. [32:00] Kimberly and Lisa discuss life after leaving her abusive marriage, how working with a therapist, and having a supportive husband helped her with her beginning recovery and personal growth. Kimberly talks about how her pregnancies, dealing with loss, and becoming a mother helped her embrace body positivity. [42:20] Kimberly shares how her experience at a retreat with Lisa Schlosberg and Nicole Sachs transformed her life, leading to a newfound career in music. Kimberly recently signed a music deal, reflecting on how her recovery enabled her to pursue her dreams fully. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
In this episode, Lisa welcomes back Nicole Sachs to discuss her new book, Mind Your Body: A Revolutionary Program to Release Chronic Pain and Anxiety, which examines healing chronic conditions through understanding the mind-body connection and addressing repressed emotions, offering a transformative approach to personal well-being. Topics Include: Chronic Pain Repressed Emotions and TMS (Tension Myositis Syndrome) Mind-Body Connection and Emotional Health JournalSpeak and Recovery [1:32] Lisa and Nicole jump into the exciting news of the pre-order of Nicole's new book that includes the brain science and steps for healing chronic conditions, [3:34] Nicole and Lisa discuss how chronic conditions like migraines, fibromyalgia, and chronic fatigue are linked to a dysregulated nervous system and repressed emotions. They examine how body image issues are seen as a form of perfectionism projected onto the physical body, which can be linked to repressed emotions and chronic conditions, as well. Nicole outlines a three-step process: believe, do the work, and practice patience and kindness to heal chronic conditions by addressing repressed emotions. [11:45] Nicole discusses how chronic pain is often linked to repressed emotions and the nervous system's response to perceived threats. The conversation emphasizes the importance of addressing these emotions to alleviate chronic symptoms. Lisa and Nicole explore how body image issues are tied to familiar and controllable thoughts, which the brain uses as a safety mechanism. They discuss the societal pressures and personal struggles related to body image. [23:37] Nicole explains the mind-body approach to dealing with chronic pain and emotional issues, emphasizing the importance of feeling emotions and setting boundaries to change one's response to triggers. Lisa shares personal experiences of transformation through mind-body work, highlighting breakthroughs in understanding and addressing deep-seated emotional issues. [30:54] Nicole introduces the concept of ‘breakaway,' which involves breaking free from old paradigms to live a more actualized life, beyond just managing chronic pain. Nicole acknowledges that some people may fear the open space that comes with healing and transformation, and emphasizes the importance of addressing these fears. [36:46:04] Lisa discusses the fear of discovering life without chronic pain, while Nicole emphasizes that the real issue is an epidemic of fear, not pain. Nicole describes the healing process as taking small, manageable steps and not needing to figure everything out at once. [38:57] Nicole] discusses the incentives for pre-ordering the book. Nicole highlights the importance of integrating mind-body practices with traditional medical treatments, such as in an upcoming study with breast cancer patients. [42:25] Lisa and Nicole close out by telling listeners how to find her on social media and how they can order pre-order her book. Nicole Instagram | Website | Mind Your Body Pre-Order *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
Lisa sits down with Hope Pedraza, who is a certified holistic nutritionist and functional diagnostic nutrition practitioner. Hope uses functional labs to address chronic symptoms and combines functional medicine with energy medicine to get to the root cause of health issues. Topics Include: Functional Diagnostic Nutrition Repressed Emotions and Health Issues Energy Work and Recovery [1:14] Lisa introduces Hope, a certified holistic nutritionist and functional diagnostic nutrition practitioner. Hope uses functional labs to address chronic symptoms and combines functional medicine with energy medicine. She also works with entrepreneurs, coaches, and high-performing women whose health is kind of holding them back from living their full potential. [3:34] Hope shares her background in dance, which led her to Pilates and eventually to opening a fitness studio. She also has an online business and a podcast. Hope explains her approach, which combines functional medicine and energy medicine to address deeper issues like hormonal imbalances, gut issues, and emotional and mental health. [6:00] Lisa and Hope discuss their career paths, with Lisa transitioning from personal training to social work and Hope moving from dance to functional medicine. [8:31] Hope shares her experience with disordered eating stemming from her dance background, including body image issues and restrictive eating habits. She talks about the pressure to conform to a specific body type in the dance world and how it affected her self-image and eating habits. [14:14] Lisa and Hope discuss her personal struggles with food and health, including IBS, and how her own healing journey influenced her professional approach. Hope emphasizes the importance of addressing both physical and emotional/energetic root causes to achieve holistic healing. [23:14] Lisa and Hope discuss the importance of the energy and intention behind actions, such as dietary changes, in the healing process. They discuss how people are often uninformed about how their bodies work and the general lack of education on bodily functions. [42:04] Lisa and Hope discuss the importance of integrating physical and energetic bodies for holistic health, emphasizing that energy centers correlate with parts of the endocrine system. Lisa and Hope discuss their experience with Human Design, describing how it has helped them understand and validate their own traits and behaviors. [54:35] Lisa and Hope discuss the importance of a holistic approach that includes mental, emotional, spiritual, social, and physical health. They emphasize that physical issues often have emotional and energetic root causes, and that addressing these is crucial for holistic healing. [1:02:02] Lisa and Hope close out by telling listeners how to find her on social media. Hope's Instagram | Facebook | Website *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form
Lisa is joined by group coaching alum, Alex. This episode discusses the complex journey of addiction and recovery, emphasizing the importance of continuous self-awareness, community support, and emotional growth. It underscores that personal growth is an ongoing process without a final destination, requiring constant practice and self-compassion. Topics Include: Feelings of worthiness Addiction and Dissociation Relationship with Food and Recovery Ongoing Practice of Self-Love [1:07] Lisa introduces Alex, a group coaching alum, and Alex provides a brief background about herself, including her age, profession, and family. [2:52] Alex discusses her early childhood, feeling like a misfit, receiving negative messages about her body, and experiencing dissociation as a coping mechanism. Alex talks about discovering boys and alcohol, getting kicked out of public high school, and finding a sense of belonging at a small private girls' school. Alex describes her life after high school, including heavy drinking, drug use, and the impact of her father's death and her own accident. [18:17] Alex shares her experiences with various diets, over-exercising, and using laxatives as a means to control her weight. Alex talks about getting married, having a baby, and eventually getting sober while raising her child alone. Alex discusses her relapse after 16 years of sobriety, her obsessive exercising, and discovering the work of John Sarno and Nicole Sachs in 2020. [24:51] Lisa and Alex explore the cognitive dissonance between wanting to be in addiction and wanting to be sober, noting that recovery can become a new form of addiction. Alex admits that much of their recovery efforts were performative, driven by how things looked rather than genuine feelings. Alex compares their experience with eating disorders to OCD, emphasizing the importance of gradual exposure therapy in recovery. [29:22] Alex shares their experience with Overeaters Anonymous (OA), noting that it felt like another form of dieting and restriction. Lisa and Alex discuss the concept of powerlessness over substances, with Lisa disagreeing with the traditional OA view and Alex partially agreeing. [42:19] Alex talks about using Internal Family Systems (IFS) to identify and accept different parts of themselves, including negative emotions like rage and despair. Lisa and Alex talk about the balance between codependency and hyper-independence, emphasizing the importance of healthy support systems. [51:53] Lisa and Alex discuss how past experiences shape emotional reactions and the importance of distinguishing between discomfort and actual danger. Alex talks about dealing with multiple losses, including the death of their mother and a friend, and how it has impacted their emotional journey. [1:03:17] Alex shares their positive experience with a group program, emphasizing the value of community and continuous learning. Alex discusses the challenges and empowerment of accepting an aging body and the desire to advocate for older adults. [1:09:46] Alex emphasizes the importance of continuous practice and course correction in their emotional and spiritual journey. Lisa and Alex discuss that there is no final destination in personal growth and self-awareness. It's an ongoing process. Lisa emphasizes the importance of continuous practice in aligning with oneself and embodying authenticity. [1:15:05] Lisa and Alex close out this session by using the metaphor of gardening to describe personal growth, emphasizing the need for constant tending. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
Lisa sits down with primary care physician, Dr. Susan Caldwell. This episode discusses the importance of empathy, self-awareness, and a holistic approach in medical practice, particularly in treating weight and women's health issues. Lisa and Susan discuss the need for understanding patients as whole individuals, addressing the root causes of health problems, and fostering supportive patient-doctor relationships. Topics Include: Holistic approach in medical practice Empathy and self-awareness in medical practice Patient-centered care and realistic health expectations Food addiction and the importance of a balanced approach to health and weight loss [1:09] Lisa introduces Susan, a primary care physician specializing in internal medicine and women's reproductive health. Lisa shares that she became aware of Susan because Susan recommended the OOTC podcast to one of her patients. [5:02] Lisa discusses the trauma and negative experiences many people, especially those in bigger bodies, face when visiting doctors. She emphasizes the importance of finding medical professionals who see patients as humans rather than just a set of data. [7:07] Susan shares her journey from studying psychology to becoming a primary care physician. She talks about her initial focus on treating symptoms with medication and how she realized that this approach was not effective and missed the person behind the symptoms. Susan describes her journey of reconnecting with her faith and starting to pay more attention to her patients' stories and needs. She began to see the importance of listening and understanding rather than just prescribing medication. [17:31] Lisa and Susan discuss the psychological dynamics where patients see doctors as authority figures and how this can trigger feelings of powerlessness and inadequacy in doctors. They emphasize the need for doctors to understand and manage their own emotions. Susan discusses the importance of self-awareness and listening to one's own body, which was neglected during medical training. Lisa highlights the contrasting approaches in training for medical professionals and therapists, where the emphasis is on self-awareness and emotional intelligence in therapy. [39:11] Lisa and Susan discuss how societal expectations place doctors in a position of power, often leading to a disconnect between doctors and patients. Susan advocates for a holistic approach that considers the body, mind, and soul, rather than just treating physical symptoms. [50:19] Lisa and Susan discuss the importance of community and support systems in helping patients heal and feel empowered. They talk about the importance of understanding patients as humans, not just data points, to foster real healing. [1:04:30] Lisa asks Susan about the medical reason for losing weight. Susan shares that the body is not built to handle the extra weight and will eventually begin to experience issues. Lisa shares how Susan's answer really resonates with her given her experience with stress fractures in her feet. [1:22:25] Susan views medications like Ozempic as tools that should be used responsibly and emphasizes the importance of foundational health practices like diet and exercise. Susan stresses the need for individuals to be aware of their eating habits and overall health, rather than relying solely on medications. [1:31:04] Lisa and Susan close with expressions of appreciation for the work they are both doing. Lisa talks about how she will definitely have Susan back to answer and address new questions. Dr. Susan Caldwell's Instagram *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
Lisa is joined by group coaching alum, Andrea. This episode highlights Andrea's journey from childhood to becoming a teacher to struggling with eating disorders and ADHD. Through self-compassion, support programs, and continuous learning, she managed to improve her emotional well-being and eating behaviors. Topics Include: Growing up in the 80-90's with Processed Food Tumultuous Family Life Neurodivergence and Eating Disorders Healing from Disordered Eating through Self-Compassion and Support [2:35] Andrea introduces herself, sharing her love of motherhood, hobbies, serving her community, her spirituality, and learning about biohacking and health. [4:13] Andrea shares with Lisa about growing up in a single parent home, wondering if her biological father didn't want her. Growing up in the 80's and 90's with all of the processed food and it being the highlights of her days with cake or donuts for breakfast. Andrea explains how she felt lonely with her mom's new marriage and working full time, and being left to take care of her little brother. [8:37] Lisa and Andrea discuss how her perfectionism showed up in childhood by always wanting to be a good girl and never wanting to make waves or get in trouble. Andrea talks about how at the age of 10, her parents offered her a dollar for every pound she lost but not really offering any guidance on how she could do that. She went on to share how she started reading magazines about nutrition to learn about healthy foods. She reflects on how much praise she received from everyone when she lost the weight and loving the external validation. [18:30] Lisa and Andrea examine how alone she felt for so much of her life by not being understood by others around her. They talk about how parents often focus on what children are eating or how much they weigh but often don't take the whole human experience into consideration. Andrea and Lisa talk about how having an ADHD diagnosis has played a huge part in her disordered eating. [29:10] Andrea shares how she used food, mainly ice cream, to cope with the stress of being a wife and teacher. How she would often eat several bowls of ice cream to cope with the stress of developing lesson plans, along with being away from family, and navigating the early years of marriage. [46:36] Andrea shares with Lisa how with five kids, life is amazing and chaotic but that she felt inadequate as a mom because of her struggle with food. She continued seeking guidance and joining programs that she hoped would help. While participating in a program, she was brave enough to ask for help with her binging and purging where she was led to Lisa and Out of the Cave. [48:57] Lisa and Andrea talk about how after some hesitation, Andrea joins the OOTC group coaching program and has learned to show compassion to all the parts of herself that she is working on and showing herself love through the struggle. How making the decision to love herself everyday has made all the difference in her life. [58:37] Lisa and Andrea look at the connection between eating disorders and people with ADHD or autism. How having the right medications has been another tool in her toolbox toward living a healthier lifestyle. [1:21:30] Lisa and Andrea wrap up with Andrea sharing how she believes when you search for answers the universe/God will guide you to your best life. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
Lisa sits down with group coaching alum, Kristin. They discuss Kristin's decision to share her story and her journey out of the cave. They discuss her early relationship with food, how the OOTC group has helped her family, and made her a better person for everyone in her life. Topics Include: Food as Comfort Self-Sacrifice/Trying to Help Everyone Else Choosing to Love Yourself What it means to be OOTC as a family [1:47] Kristin introduces herself, how she came to find Lisa and the OOTC community, and her gratitude for everything she has learned through the group coaching program. [3:58] Lisa and Kristin discuss Kristin's decision to not do the podcast anonymously. Kristin shared that she was afraid of making anyone uncomfortable with what she was sharing but ultimately decided that showing up authentically was important and healing. [7:05] Lisa and Kristin discuss Kristin's experiences with food from ages 0 to 5. Kristin shared memories of using food, especially sugary foods, to feel better during uncomfortable times. [13:41] Lisa and Kristin examine how Kristin's use of food for comfort affected her weight and health, particularly during puberty. Kristin reflects on her experiences and symptoms during puberty and linked them to her eating habits. She shares how cultural influences and lack of positive body image role models led to a constant feeling of needing to improve her body. [26:29] Kristin shares how growing up with a sibling with special needs led to self-sacrificing behavior and desire to not add to parental stress led to turning to food for comfort. [41:24] Lisa asked how Kristin learned that the way you eat and exercise affects your body weight and image. Kristin shares that through health class she learned about energy input and output, societal influences like movies and magazines emphasizing body image, and personal experiences with friends and family reinforced these ideas. [43:33] Kristin talks about how her body was signaling health issues, but they were not addressed properly until much later, symptoms like irregular periods, acne, weight fluctuations, and constant sickness, which were masked by temporary solutions. [50:37] Lisa and Kristin discuss how she started to address health from a holistic perspective, including mental and emotional well-being, influenced by personal relationships and professional guidance. [52:10] Lisa and Kristin talk about how the OOTC program provided the missing piece in Kristin's health journey, allowing her to integrate and apply all the knowledge she had gained. Kristin shares how even with this knowledge there is a continuous effort required to maintain personal growth and the realization that there is no finish line in perfectionism and that her problems were literally never about the food. [1:09:10] Lisa and Kristin talk about how the OOTC program has provided tools to help parents understand her children better, breaking historical traumas, and fostering healthier relationships with food for the whole family. Kristin shared how her husband also joined the program which has made him a better husband, dad, brother, son, and friend. [1:16:07] Kristin shares how by choosing to like herself has led to healthier choices around food and effortlessly losing weight. [1:21:30] Lisa and Kristin wrap up with how the OOTC program is life-changing, making it a worthwhile investment. Kristin expressed gratitude for the program's role in helping her focus on core issues, thereby improving her life so much. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
Lisa sits down again with group coaching alum, Bridget. They discuss Bridget's journey with disordered eating, obsessive compulsive disorder, how she found community and understanding her OOTC group, and how she feels confident in how she will raise her own family around food. Topics Include: Chaos around Meals Disordered Eating Habits OOTC Group Coaching Community Creating a Better Life for the Next Generation [1:26] Bridget introduces herself as a community engagement director for a nonprofit, an artist with a nice little and growing family and she love her dog. [2:26] Bridget shares her early life experiences including how there were rules around dessert in her family and how that caused her stress. She also discussed her frustration when the rules changed. [9:55] Bridget goes on to talk about how at eight years old things changed in her family with her mom struggling with a bunch of health issues and becoming disabled. This changed the mealtime routines in her family and mealtimes became stressful and chaotic with them trying to figure out meals on the fly. [15:33] Bridget and Lisa discuss middle school and how she felt pressured to have a crush and make friends, despite not being extroverted, and became self-conscious about her body and appearance. Bridget talks about feeling like something was wrong with her body since she didn't have anyone actively returning her crush. Bridget shares her attempts to fit in by changing her appearance and feeling embarrassed to ask for help. [22:08] Lisa and Bridget discuss high school years and how Bridget's relationship with food became more complicated with increased social self-consciousness during lunchtime and a lack of knowledge about nutrition and cooking. Bridget shares how skipping meals became a way for her to feel in control amidst family chaos and lack of structured meal times. [28:59] Lisa and Bridget move to college and post-college years. Bridget discusses how her life and eating habits continued to worsen with her meals consisting of fast food or still continuing to skip meals. Bridget talks about purging being a response to stress and anxiety, providing a sense of control and relief. She shares how she started therapy and was afraid to share her eating habits of skipping meals and purging with her therapist for fear of being institutionalized. [42:25] Bridget talks about difficulties in finding effective therapy and managing food-related behaviors, especially during the pandemic. Bridget shares with Lisa how the pandemic allowed for more communal cooking and her to reevaluate food habits. Through social media, Bridget found Lisa and started following her content. [46:42] Lisa and Bridget talk about Bridget's initial rejection of joining the OOTC group coaching program. But after a conversation with Lisa, Bridget joined the program where she found such a sense of community and validation for all of her feelings around food and eating. [1:10:34] Lisa and Bridget close out the discussion by sharing that true control comes from making informed choices without guilt. Freedom is having the permission to choose without feeling judged or guilty. Bridget and Lisa also talk about how improving her relationship with food was crucial for her when she thought about her future children. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
Lisa sits down again with her number one fan and group coaching alum, Jade. They discuss Jade's story with food, body image, and how she has healed her relationship with both. They also discuss parenting out of the cave and helping children to develop a healthy relationship with their bodies and food. Listen to Jade's first podcast, From Resistance to Acceptance. Topics Include: Emotional Eating Body Image Intuitive Eating Raising Children Out of the Cave [1:00] Lisa introduces Jade, mentioning her as a dedicated follower and fan. They discuss how Jade initially disliked Lisa's content but eventually became a fan. Lisa and Jade dive into Jade's story, particularly her realization about being an emotional eater after listening to the podcast and following Lisa's social media. [3:26] Jade shares her early life experiences, including her parents' separation, living in a small village in Mexico. Jade discusses how poverty shaped her childhood, and feeling like a burden to her father, experiencing anxiety during supermarket trips, and feeling guilty about the financial strain she perceived she was causing. Jade shares how her large appetite was a frequent topic of discussion among adults in her hippie family. She discusses how she was made to feel that her appetite was undesirable and something to be questioned. [7:30] Jade shares her experience of sexual abuse during puberty and how her mother did not believe her because the abuser was financially supporting the family; how food became a source of comfort, especially through secret consumption of Snickers and Coca-Cola provided by the abuser. [17:24] Jade describes the emotional impact of puberty, including dissociation, withdrawal, and the struggle with body image due to comments from others. She shares her struggle with body image, including avoiding mirrors and feeling like a ‘gross monster.' [18:30] Lisa and Jade look deeper at how comments about eating habits during childhood can impact a child's perception of food and self-worth. They explore how parents' comments about their children's eating habits can create feelings of shame, fear, and judgment, making food and eating feel unsafe. [20:00] Jade and Lisa discuss how Jade is working to make her own child curious about food and how they feel after eating certain foods, like sugar. Then they continue to examine Jade's relationship with food and her body through the years. [33:16] During her pregnancy at 33, Jade was hyper-focused on eating ‘good' foods and maintaining a certain body image, even while preparing for childbirth. She shares her journey of embracing body positivity through photography, capturing postpartum bodies. She talks about her internal conflict of feeling like an ‘ugly piece of shit' despite promoting body positivity and photographing other women. [52:30] Jade describes her experiences with intuitive eating and intermittent fasting, and how she reintroduced fasting as a spiritual practice. Lisa and Jade examine the fear of hunger and healing that. [1:09:08] Jade talks about how she navigates emotional eating by eating without shame and recognizing the need for comfort during exhaustion. Lisa and Jade both emphasize the importance of being kind to oneself and understanding the underlying emotions through practicing compassionate curiosity. [1:19:42] Lisa and Jade close out the discussion by acknowledging that eating habits and body image perceptions go through different seasons and phases, and it's important to honor each phase as part of the journey. Jade Beall Instagram, Jade Beall Website. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
Lisa sits down with the man, the myth, the legend, Jon Gabriel, founder and creator of the Gabriel Method. They discuss how this breathwork addresses mental, emotional, and physical health, offering sustainable and long-term well-being solutions. Sean also highlights the significance of proper breathing techniques, stress management, and the need for continuous improvement in one's personal and professional life. Topics Include: The Gabriel Method Stress Reduction Effective and Sustainable Weight Loss Safety [1:00] Lisa introduces her guest, Jon Gabriel, and shares her personal journey of how she met him and became a supporter of his work after initially being resistant to his message and how she knew she needed to work with him. [5:00] Jon Gabriel shares the story about how so many people who are resistant to his work at first become fierce supporters, including several interviewers. Jon goes on to share how he eventually lost 220 pounds without dieting or forcing restriction but by eating healthier. [9:00] Jon talks about his struggle with weight and his experience with various diets, including working face to face with Dr. Atkins. [11:00] Jon explains the Gabriel Method, which focuses on getting the body to want to be thin by working with its survival programs rather than against them. This involves making the body feel safe, not forcing restriction, and how to turn off your fat programs. [17:24] Jon discusses the concept of fat as a survival adaptation and how understanding this can help in creating a sustainable weight loss strategy. Jon contrasts traditional dieting, which often involves forced restriction, with his method that focuses on making the body feel safe and naturally reducing the desire to overeat. Jon and Lisa discuss how fat programs are inherited for survival, particularly in conditions of famine and cold and how our biology interprets different types of stress. Chronic low-grade stress favors fat retention, while acute stress favors being thin. [22:24] Lisa shares her personal experience of losing 150 pounds through diet and exercise, and her initial skepticism towards the idea that diets don't work. Lisa uses the analogy of holding a volleyball underwater to describe the temporary nature of weight loss through dieting and the challenge of maintaining it. Lisa and Jon talk about the importance of understanding the connection between mind and body in weight management, and how stress and mental state affect physical health. Jon shares a personal anecdote about working on Wall Street and gaining 200 pounds due to stress, contrasting with a colleague who lost weight under the same conditions. [36:16] Jon talks about how he felt like he didn't want to gain anymore weight and took a leap of faith and began his health journey with getting his sleep apnea addressed and real rest lowered his cortisol levels and how through that he lost 120 pounds without making any lifestyle changes. [42:12] Jon talks about the effectiveness of visualization in weight loss, and how it helped him achieve his goals. [56:53] Lisa and Jon emphasize that safety is the baseline for sustainable weight loss. The body needs to feel safe mentally, emotionally, spiritually, socially, and physically to lose weight effectively. Both Jon and Lisa discuss the importance of a daily meditation practice. [1:00:00] Lisa and Jon close out the discussion with their excitement about seeing each other at the Gabriel Method Retreat at the Omega Institute and how to find Jon online: Jon Gabriel Instagram, The Gabriel Method Retreat at the Omega Institute, and The Gabriel Method website. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
Lisa is joined by Restorative Health and Wellness professional, Sean Jacobs, as they discuss the importance of a holistic approach to fitness, integrating mind-body connection and breathwork. They talk about how this method addresses mental, emotional, and physical health, offering sustainable and long-term well-being solutions. Sean also highlights the significance of proper breathing techniques, stress management, and the need for continuous improvement in one's personal and professional life. Topics Include: Holistic Fitness Different Types of Breathing Importance of Breathwork Overall Fitness and Well-Being [2:00] Lisa expresses excitement about connecting with someone who shares similar interests, philosophy, and curiosity, leading to a meaningful conversation. Sean introduces himself as a holistic human performance specialist, emphasizing the importance of a holistic approach to the human body and behavior. Sean explains his philosophy of considering the mind-body connection and the nuances of human differences in his approach to fitness and well-being. Sean talks about how he and his wife run an online training and nutrition coaching business that focuses on holistic approaches, addressing gray areas often disregarded by personal trainers and medical professionals. [5:00] Lisa and Sean discuss the importance of nuance and gray areas in their work, which they feel has been lost in many places. Sean talks about how many of his clients are looking for sustainable, longevity-focused programs rather than short-term quick fixes and are dealing with significant mental, emotional, or physical obstacles that force them to make a change. [11:50] Sean shares his journey into breathwork that began with a lack of answers in traditional fitness and health education, leading to self-study and mentorship in breathwork and human movement. He goes on to tell how it felt important to bring this information to others in a meaningful way. [19:25] Sean discusses how people are unaware of their breathing patterns and how mastering the three types of breathing can improve overall health, manage stress, and enhance mobility. [22:36] Lisa and Sean deep dive into the impact of stress and body image on breathing patterns and the importance of proper breath control for overall well-being. Sean explains the three types of breathing: nasal breathing, slowing respiratory rate, and diaphragmatic breathing. [41:00] Sean shares how his techniques of down regulation help with emptying the stress bucket so that later it can increase to help manage stress better. [1:00:00] Lisa and Sean close out the discussion with how to find Sean online: Jacobs Fitness Instagram, YouTube, Master Class, and website. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
Lisa is joined by OOTC group coaching program alum, Cyndie, as they discuss the profound impact that family dynamics, emotional eating, and societal pressures on body image had on her. They discuss how through the group coaching program Cyndie was able to make the shift towards self-compassion and her happier, authentic self. Topics Include: Family Dynamics Diet Culture Intuitive Eating and Anti-Diet Culture Self-Compassion and Acceptance [2:00] Lisa and Cyndie start off the discussion with who Cyndie is and how she came to the OOTC retreat very early into the group coaching program. [5:00] Cyndie discussed her early memories related to food within her family context, emphasizing the cultural importance of food in her Italian and Mexican heritage and how food was associated with love and family gatherings. [9:00] Cyndie talks about how her father's alcoholism made meal times emotionally charged and potentially dangerous, overshadowing the nurturing aspect of food. [14:00] Lisa and Cyndie discuss the shame and unwanted attention received from early physical development during puberty, leading to body image issues. In response to body shaming and control over appearance, Cyndie talks about adopting a punk rock persona as a form of rebellion during teenage years. Despite being physically small, Cyndie shares how she perceived herself as larger due to body dysmorphia influenced by societal beauty standards. [30:00] Cyndie recounts experiences with Weight Watchers, highlighting the cyclical nature of dieting and the psychological impact of constantly measuring food and body. After multiple dieting attempts, Cyndie explored anti-diet culture, seeking to normalize her relationship with food and body image. [44:00] Cyndie shares that during periods of personal trauma, such as family illness and loss, food became a source of comfort and emotional coping. It was during one of these times that Cyndie found Lisa and made the decision to join the group coaching program. [53:30] Cyndie shares her experience with the group coaching program and all she has learned from the OOTC group coaching program and how it has changed her life and her relationship with food. *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
Lisa describes an online incident, “Eyebrow Gate”, where a video mocking her eyebrows went viral, leading to a flood of negative comments and harassment across various platforms, including Instagram, email, and even her personal cell phone. Topics Include: Online Harassment Resilience Self-Compassion and Support Personal Growth and Healing [3:00] Lisa discusses what happened in the events that led to Eyebrow Gate and her experience of it. [14:10] Lisa then discusses what she did, how she moved through the experience of being harassed online, and her coping strategies. Lisa talks about feeling her feelings, not stopping herself from experiencing them. She talks about navigating her feelings with embarrassment and finally accepting them through all of this. She discusses the support system she had in her friends and the self-compassion she showed herself during this time. [33:05] Lisa shares her takeaways and reflections from going through the whole experience. Lisa talks about the things people said that were meant to be supportive but only made her feel not seen and the things she wished they had said instead. She discusses her experience dealing with her inner child in a compassionate way and how we should always show ourselves kindness and compassion. [48:45] Lisa concludes with sharing the next steps for herself now that she is on the other side of the harassment. She explains how she is proceeding as the person she wishes to be and is operating under that persona. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
Lisa interviews Erin, OOTC group coaching alum, an animal loving veterinarian who, through the group coaching program, has achieved significant personal growth and changes in a matter of months, which years of therapy couldn't achieve. She also has learned to accept herself and has a community of acceptance without judgment allowing her to finally have a feeling of safety. Topics Include: Early Struggles with Food and Body Image Body Image and Self-Worth Eating Disorder and Mental Health Personal Growth and Healing Journey [3:00] Erin discusses the early stages of life, from ages 0-5 and 5-10, and the lack of significant issues with food or body image. However, from ages 5-10, she started receiving messages about being too big and weighing too much, primarily after pediatrician appointments, leading to a restricted diet by her mother [11:00] Erin shares her decision to lose weight before starting high school by counting calories and increasing physical activity and how this weight loss led to a boost in self-esteem and more attention from her peers [14:00] Erin goes on to discuss how the loss of her first relationship led to feeling of inadequacy and how comments about her body affected her self-image and ultimately the beginning of her experience with bulimia [37:00] Erin and Lisa discuss Erin's belief that being thinner would lead to happiness and fulfillment persisted until finally admitting to her husband that she had a problem and made the commitment to seek therapy and work on recovery [40:11] Erin recounts finding the OOTC podcast and how Lisa's approach deeply resonated with her and made her feel understood and less alone; after two years of listening to the podcast and following Lisa on social media, Erin decided to join the group coaching program [46:00] Erin and Lisa discuss the importance of recognizing one's worth and deservingness of healing, love, safety, and stability in life, body, and relationship with food [50:03] Erin closes out with her gratitude that through the group coaching program has found a community of accepting and non-judgmental people where she can be vulnerable *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
Join Lisa as she talks to Out of the Cave group coaching alum, Muna. Topics include: Muna's journey from childhood to adolescence, exploring her evolving relationship with food, body image, cultural influences, and the change in family dynamics. The conversation continues as Muna describes her experiences with disordered eating, specifically bingeing, purging, and later developing a restrictive relationship with food, intertwined with addictive marijuana use. Muna describes how a mountain biking accident led to a period of grief and loss of identity, triggering binge eating as a coping mechanism. This behavior persisted into early adulthood, alongside struggles with depression and insomnia. Muna talks about finding relief from insomnia through marijuana use, which then evolved into an addictive coping mechanism. Muna describes receiving praise for weight loss, leading to a restrictive relationship with food out of fear of losing attention gained from weight loss. Muna recalls how this cycle persisted for decades, and how even though she was maintaining a successful outward appearance, she was struggling internally with disordered eating and addiction. Muna discusses how she experienced addiction transfer and cross addiction, moving from one addictive behavior to another without addressing the underlying issues. Lisa and Muna continue the discussion with Muna's relapse during the pandemic and her new road to recovery. Muna discusses the significance of grief work in her personal growth and recovery and how it is an essential aspect of healing. Muna also shares free recovery resources. Lisa and Muna wrap up the conversation with a discussion of the importance of community and how it makes a difference in recovery and how the OOTC group coaching program helped bring that to her. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts. Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form. Register for Group Coaching! Email Lisa at lisa@lisaschlosberg.com. Become a member of the Out of the Cave Online Community – Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch for 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Socials: Instagram Facebook YouTube
Join Lisa as she continues her conversation with Julie Markowitz, a licensed social worker and psychotherapist who specializes in treating chronic pain, as they continue to discuss Julie's healing journey to her true self. Topics include: [02:10] trigger warnings and their place in weight loss and chronic pain relationships, the difference between taking care of yourself and avoidance, [09:17] Lisa and Julie talk about Julie's recovery from disordered eating and how intuitive eating played a part in it, [12:38] they talk about wavering through recovery and feeling safe through perceived threats, [16:25] Lisa and Julie go deeper into how Julie learned about intuitive eating, and how healing from disordered eating isn't just about the food but healing the whole person, [19:40] Julie explains more about what weight science is, weight set point, why diets don't work, and the Minnesota Starvation Study, how Julie couldn't control her weight the way she thought she could, and how the body needed to gain weight until it felt safe enough to regulate, [25:35] Julie and Lisa discuss how doctors fail to correlate the relationship between their disordered eating and their loss of menstruation, how the return of that was a sign of health , [29:36] Julie and Lisa further explore the recovery process and learning how to eat again, their recovery from disordered eating, the feelings around that, and the importance of finding the right supports to get through the process, [37:00] Julie discusses navigating recovery through the rough times, intentional weight loss, and the feelings around people commenting on her body, [54:00] Julie and Lisa discuss the pivotal moment of finding movement that feels good the body, how yoga helped improve their relationships with their bodies, and explore using exercise not for weight loss but as a way for your body to feel good, [1:02:00] Julie closes out with emphasizing that the recovery process cannot be rushed and recovery does not look the same for everyone. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts. Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form. Register for Group Coaching! Email Lisa at lisa@lisaschlosberg.com. Become a member of the Out of the Cave Online Community – Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch for 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
Join Lisa as she sits with Julie Markowitz, a licensed social worker and psychotherapist who specializes in treating chronic pain, as they discuss Julie's healing journey to her true self. Topics include: [03:10] Julie discusses her personal journey through anxiety, disordered eating, chronic pain, and depression, [11:10] Lisa and Julie talk about the overlap between chronic pain and disordered eating, [15:49] Julie defines and discusses Complex PTSD, [21:27] Lisa and Julie talk about falling through the cracks medically and her eating disorder and the rewards of looking thin, [27:00] Julie talks about the isolation and shame of having an eating disorder and the fear of recovering, [34:27] Julie and Lisa discuss choosing recovery, [45:25] Julie talks about the vulnerability in recovery and opening yourself up to relationships with other people, and [1:02:00] Julie closes out with how to begin on the path to authenticity. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts. Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form. Register for Group Coaching! Email Lisa at lisa@lisaschlosberg.com. Become a member of the Out of the Cave Online Community – Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch for 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
Lisa sits down with Dr. David Wiss to talk about using nutrition as a healing modality in recovery from addiction and how he invites nuance in as he works with clients who struggle with disordered eating from a mind-body approach. Topics Include: Neurochemistry and hedonic (rewards based) eating Ultra-Processed Food Addiction Qualitative approach to nutrition [5 types of] Restriction vs Dietary Restraint [11:40] Dr. Wiss speaks to the overlap between food addiction and eating disorders, and the difficulty of having open conversations about the topic in the current climate of binary thinking [23:00] Dr. Wiss talks about accessing the “Wise Mind,” not thinking in extremes, and addressing black and white thinking [34:00] Dr. Wiss shares how and why he works with clients to deconstruct old approaches and take the math out of nutrition and how one behavior can be totally functional for one person and disordered for another [47:00] Dr. Wiss explains what it means to be food positive and how he uses that mindset when working with clients [53:00] Dr. Wiss how he has made working with him accessible through his app Wise Mind Nutrition *The views and beliefs of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Connect with Dr. Wiss Instagram | Wise Mind Nutrition App | Nutrition in Recovery Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
In part 4 of the conversation around intentional weight loss, Lisa shares vulnerably about the nonlinear journey she is on personally. Topics Include: The balance between being intuitive and planning when it comes to food and eating Alcohol and weight loss Taking a break from the priority of weight loss PMS and body image Seeking external validation/safety while losing weight through other people and the scale Relapse [4:10] Lisa shares her personal dos and don'ts when it comes to intentionally losing weight [40:00] Lisa talks about what is has been like for her practically and real life on her nonlinear journey of weight loss, including a relapse where she began to use food and other behaviors to cope with her emotions again [55:00] “Getting back on the wagon,” the Out of the Cave way aka “The Order of Operations,” of Intentional Weight Loss [1:07] Ancestral and generational trauma Apply for Group Coaching! - Next Cohort Begins January 2024 Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
Lisa sits down to share with you what has been dubbed the (second) most important episode of the Out of the Cave Podcast ever. Topics Include: Feeling shamed for wanting to lose weight Connection to your body as it exists presently Creating a calorie deficit and your brain feeling safe How to set realistic expectations around weight loss [5:00] Lisa shares the definition of freedom and how freedom or a lack of feeling of freedom affects weight loss [9:00] Moving through the discomfort in not being where you used to be [18:00] The impact of saying, “I have to…” and the power of language on a weight loss journey [33:00] The ease of gaining weight vs the ease of losing weight and having realistic expectations around weight loss [48:30] Checking your mindset around saying, “I am on a weight loss journey,” and whether that feels empowering or disempowering [52:00] Honoring your body and not eating like a robot [57:00] Lisa shares an experience she had while personal training and studying integrative nutrition Apply for Group Coaching! - Next Cohort Begins January 2024 Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
Lisa sits down with Sara Baio, mom of three and former Special Education turned mindfulness instructor to talk about the life-saving power of mindfulness. Topics Include: Parenting a child with disabilities Mindfulness deeply defined Practicing mindfulness in a trauma-informed way Mindful Self-Compassion The second arrow [6:00] Sara talks about her shame and struggle about parenting her first son with ADHD, when she felt so competent as a Special Education teacher, and how mindfulness changed everything for both her and her toddler [17:00] Sara shares about some of the walls she ran into when she first introduced mindfulness and how she switched course [26:00] Sara explains how societal expectations and hustle culture affected her body and nervous system and explains mindfulness based stress reduction, a program designed by Jon Kabat-Zin and Lisa relates the work to body image [50:00] Sara busts mindfulness myths and encourages people to find a mindfulness practice that works, because there are so many Connect with Sara YouTube | Website Resources: Sitting Still Like Frog Mindful Schools Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction Save $500 when you register for Group Coaching the Month of March! - The next cohort of group coaching beings January 2024 Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
Lisa sits down with Mordechai who has maintained an over 100 pound weight loss through the Gabriel Method, to talk about life after initial weight loss success. Topics Include: Being a “success” story The Gabriel Method Mindful emotional eating Dealing with cravings [3:30] Mordechai talks about going on stage to represent a weight loss success story only to get off stage and eat pastries [8:00] Mordechai shares what his relationship to food, eating, and body image was like before his weight loss and what was different when he found The Gabriel Method and how he handles emotional eating today [16:00] Mordechai tells us how he learned to feel feelings and shares strategies to move through emotion [29:00] Mordechai talks about the two different ball games that weight loss vs maintenance [38:00] Mordechai explains how the way he maintains his weight loss is different than being on a diet, restricting, or participating in diet culture Feeling Full Podcast *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
In this solo episode, Lisa talks about her approach to her current intentional weight loss on both the emotional and physical dimension. Topics Include: Acceptance on a somatic level Embodying a sense of safety in your current body Emotional sobriety Withdrawal [6:00] Lisa discusses her belief system around weight loss [17:00] Lisa talks addressing emotional issues with emotional solutions and physical issues with physical solutions [30:00] Lisa gives suggestions of things to implement into your self-care routine before attempting intentional weight loss, and talks about not bringing certain foods in the house, and practicing emotional sobriety [59:00] Lisa reveals what did to do to intentionally lose weight on the physical dimension [1:20:00] Lisa explains practicing high involvement, low attachment around weight loss Apply for Group Coaching! - Next Cohort Begins September 12, 2023 Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
In this solo episode, Lisa talks about her recent weight gain and how she is meeting herself on the mental and emotional dimension before addressing weight loss on the physical level. Topics Include: Lisa's opinion on trigger warnings + the research Weight gain Internal vs External motivation for weight loss The scale Mind-Body approach to weight loss [3:30] Lisa delivers an announcement about changes to the Out of the Cave Podcast as we approach 100th episode [6:30] Lisa explains why she does not use trigger warnings (Links to Research Cited: https://empathymatters.org/now/gabor-mate-edwin-rutsch/ https://icfyb.com/four-ways-to-take-control-of-your-psychological-triggers/ ) [27:00] Lisa talks about her weight gain [47:30] Lisa discusses the difference between physically feeling uncomfortable after weight gain and feeling mentally and emotionally uncomfortable after weight gain [53:00] Lisa shares her own experience with the scale [1:00:00] Lisa talks about her own fear around weight gain and walking the walk, and becoming “a product of her product” [1:12:00] Lisa discusses the mental space her weight gain took up in her brain and how she met herself and addressing thoughts of failure Apply for Group Coaching! - Next Cohort Begins September 12, 2023 Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
Lisa sits down for part two of her conversation with Alison Midollo, HHC, RYT, to talk about how reparenting, feeling feelings, and allowing all parts of herself transformed her relationship to food and eating. Topics Include: Eliminating food groups in the name of health Precontemplation phase of making change Conscious input shaping your experience Reparenting around food Discomfort vs Danger Metaphysical and spiritual healing [5:00] Alison recounts her own early memories around food and eating from birth and reflects on the effect of puberty on that relationship and her body image [11:00] Alison embraces medical advice and removes gluten totally from her diet as a young teen and continues to eliminate other types of food from her diet over the years [23:00] After living with limitations around what she can and cannot eat for a decade and a half, Alison shares what happened to make her shift her beliefs and practices around food [32:00] Alison tells the story of deciding to have a cheeseburger after 5 years of being meat free and the meaning she made of the experience and transpired after [56:00] Alison talks about the mental work, reparenting, and rewiring she had to do while reintegrating food groups into her diet, with the understanding that it was not about the food and Lisa relates this practice to those that are healing around overeating, undereating, restriction, mindless eating, picky eating, etc [1:09:00] Alison shares the influence her relationship with Lisa and Out of the Cave has had on her healing and journey of reparenting herself [1:18:00] Alison teaches about the root chakra and the metaphysical level on which we heal and shares where she is with food and eating today *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Connect with Alison www.alisonmidolloyoga.com | Instagram Apply for Group Coaching! - Next Cohort Begins September 2023 Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
Lisa sits down with her colleague and bestie, Alison Midollo, HHC, RYT, to talk reparenting, feeling feelings, and allowing all parts of yourself. Topics Include: Avoiding big feelings Spiritual Bypassing Restraint and discipline from a place of love Unmuting the inner child [14:00] Alison talks about the internal shift that allows her to sit with and feel her darker parts and tell the truth about it and reflects on her past and describes the ways she would resist and avoid uncomfortable feelings [25:00] Lisa and Alison speak to the concept and Alison's experience of spiritual bypassing [32:00] Alison reflects on her journey of leaning on social connection and relationships to avoid feelings of stress, to being an observer of that practice, to giving those feelings and emotions the opportunity to speak to her [55:00] Alison describes a visual where she in parenting her inner children and parts and how she interacts with parts when she does not have time and space to hear them out in the moment [1:15:00] Alison talks about practicing self-care throughout the day, while we carry out our responsibilities and how live in harmony with our emotional selves and spiritual selves *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Connect with Alison www.alisonmidolloyoga.com | Instagram Apply for Group Coaching! - Next Cohort Begins September 2023 Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
Lisa interviews Kasey, self-identified, normal girl from New York, and group coaching alum Kasey, about trying to find safety and validation in a body shape and size to moving to a truer embodiment of internal safety. Topics Include: Thin privilege Feeling superior Internal vs External Validation Body Dysmorphia [7:30] Kasey reflects on how “being small” was rewarded was just the norm that was strived from such a young age [15:00] Kasey and Lisa explore how Kasey felt most safe when she believed people were feeling jealous of her and moving through the shame that came with that realization [27:00] Kasey shares about her all or nothing relationship with diet and exercise and alcohol during her college years [31:00] Kasey gets shredded during Covid lockdown and would look in the mirror and only see what “wasn't good enough” and finds Lisa while walking the line of disorder [43:00] Kasey joins group coaching and reconstructs what it means to be healthy and also feels seen and validated in a way she had not experienced before *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Apply for Group Coaching! - Next Cohort Begins September 2023 Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
Lisa sits down with 14-Week Group Coaching alum, pharmacist, and single mom by choice Erica, to talk about how trauma, grief, and loss, collided with early motherhood and the Covid19 pandemic. She shares how she unconsciously turned to food and experienced rapid weight gain coupled with shame and found Out of the Cave and was able to understand her experience and heal. Topics Include: 90s and early 2000s diet culture Picky eating Trauma, grief and loss and its impact on our relationship to food Operating in survival mode Releasing shame and self-blame Neurobiology [3:30] Erica looks back on her earliest memories around food and eating and the effect of being a Black ballet dancer and cheerleader on her body image [20:00] Erica remembers being a teen and wanting to be in a smaller body and grappling with fitting in as Black AP student and goes into life as a broke college student, experiencing high levels of stress and experiencing clinical depression [30:00] Erica shares when food, eating, and body image really became a top of mind issue for her as she walked a path toward parenthood through donor conception and attempting different diets with a toxic partner [36:00] Erica gives birth to twins boys as a single mom by choice right before the Covid19 pandemic and simultaneously her sister was battling an aggressive cancer and life as she knew it was pulled from under her and turns to food, and beats herself up for her lack of willpower [40:00] Erica finds Lisa and Out of the Cave and shares the freedom of letting go of the story that she is “A lazy piece of sh*t” and shares how the work has positively impacted her sons and the culture of food and eating Apply for Group Coaching! - Next Cohort Begins September 2023 Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
Lisa sits down with Elyse Schunkewitz, LCSW again. This time the roles are reversed and Elyse interviews Lisa about the personal, educational, and professional experiences that have shaped the Out of the Cave Group Coaching Program and discuss how Lisa serves her clients. Topics Include: The difference between Out of the Cave and eating disorder treatment The Binge Restrict Cycle Body Image Confidence vs Self-Esteem Systemic Oppression and Thin Privilege [2:30] Lisa explains how she developed the philosophy that her group coaching program is built upon and shares the influences that has brought her to where she is today, including her lived experience, education and relationships she has built throughout the years [14:00] Lisa shares what it means to work with her as a client inside the 14 week group coaching container [23:10] Lisa gives her thoughts on intuitive eating, anti-diet culture, and eating disorder treatment [42:00] Lisa dives deeper into what she means when she says, “I help people release the addiction of the illusion of control around their bodies.” [52:00] Elyse and Lisa discuss the dichotomy of confidence and self-esteem Apply for Group Coaching! - Next Cohort Begins September 2023 Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
Lisa sits down with group coaching alum and aftercare member, Jenny, to talk about how before we were able to identify “diet culture,” it was just the way we were raised and socialized and how she was able to see the light and ultimately come out of the cave. Topics: Puberty and body image 90s diet culture trends Emotional eating The “drug” of weight loss compliments Internal Family Systems [5:00] Jenny reflects on her early memories around food and eating, how the her mother talked about dieting and her own body and how puberty began to impact her relationship to eating and body image [22:00] Jenny talks about her early 20s and how she used the persona as the very smart, funny, fat friend as a protective factor as she struggled with her body image, all while her parents divorced, her mother battled addiction, and she now had a baby brother and was responsible for his safety, and looked to food for comfort [33:00] Jenny discusses the impact of being told she is pre-diabetic by a doctor and pursuing weight loss, and subsequent swings in her weight for the next ten years and what ultimately made her decide to step away from dieting and seek therapy [42:00] Jenny finds the Health at Every Size and Intuitive Eating movements and started exploring the emotional component of her own eating and ultimately collides with Lisa and Out of the Cave [1:02:00] Jenny shares her biggest takeaways from group coaching *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. SAVE $500 WHEN YOU REGISTER FOR Group Coaching DURING THE MONTH OF JULY! - Next Cohort Begins September 2023 Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
Lisa sits down with Out of the Cave Coach, Alé Cardinalle, MSW to talk about practicing baby led weaning her son and feeding her family has given her own healing journey around food and eating an ultra boost. Topics Include: Reparenting ourselves around food and eating Baby Led Weaning The Division of Responsibility The healing power of love [3:00] Alé reflects on learning about the concept of reparenting in terms of food and eating for the first time and how that laid the foundation for her healing around food and eating [8:00] Alé shares about baby led weaning her son [17:00] Lisa explains Ellen Satter's, Division of Responsibility [25:00] Alé talks about how her own relationship to food and eating has been impacted by watching her son interact with food and eating [1:00:00] Lisa and Alé discuss blocking out all the messages and “shoulds” around diet and landing in the middle of pendulum *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. FOLLOW Alé
Lisa sits down with Eleni Agresta, MS RDN, weight inclusive, registered dietician to talk about the field of nutrition, where it's missing the mark, and how to find a practitioner that's right for you. Topics Include: Childhood diet trauma The effect of restrictive dieting on the mind-body system Fatphobia Weight vs Health [4:00] Eleni talks about her personal story regarding food, eating, body image, and stress that led her to serving her clients in the way she does [15:00] Lisa and Eleni discuss the division of responsibility and advice for parents when it comes to feed, eating, and body topics in the [26:00] Eleni speaks to some of the issues in the nutrition field regarding its eurocentricity and how that has impacted how she has educated herself and how she interacts with her clients and why she no longer preaches intentional weight loss [38:00] Lisa and Eleni talk about the damage that dieting and rapid weight loss did on their own hunger and fullness cues and their own methods for eating when they're hungry [50:00] Eleni and Lisa discuss where they believe the intuitive eating movement, and some of the coaches miss the mark and how they approach things a bit differently [57:00] Eleni speaks to how she approaches potential clients with the goal of intentional weight loss and discusses prioritizing health over weight *The views of podcast guests do not necessarily reflect the views and beliefs of Lisa Schlosberg or Out of the Cave, LLC. Connect with Eleni Instagram | Tiktok | Podcast Get on the Waitlist for Group Coaching! - Next Cohort Begins September 2023 Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
Lisa sits down with group coaching alum, and Marriage and Family Therapist, D, for the second time on the pod to discuss scarcity from an Internal Family Systems perspective. Topics Include: Internal Family Systems Turning toward vs turning away What it means and doesn't mean to validate Scarcity vs Abundance, vs “Enoughness” [5:00] D gives a brief overview of Richard Schwartz's theory, Internal Family Systems, or IFS, and how the scarcity part of her is interacting with food and eating [10:00] Lisa discusses the concept of Nicole Sach's quote, “Life is a choice between what hurts and what hurts worse,” and “Option 3” [19:00] Lisa and D talk about what it looks like to express love to parts of ourselves, like scarcity, who wants what she wants when she wants it, and validate that part even when we don't agree [40:00] Lisa and D explain the process they move through to be with themselves when they act out of alignment [50:00] D and Lisa deep dive on the idea of scarcity and how to be with that feeling [1:10:00] Lisa and D discuss the belief system of the self (core beliefs) vs beliefs of the parts [1:20:00] Lisa and D talk about how to meet a part that says, “I am not enough,” or “I don't belong” Resource: No Bad Parts by Richard Schwartz Get on the Waitlist for Group Coaching! - Next Cohort Begins September 2023 Purchase the OOTC book of 50 Journal Prompts Leave Questions and Feedback for Lisa via OOTC Pod Feedback Form Email Lisa: lisa@lisaschlosberg.com Become a Member of the Out of the Cave Online Community - Includes Two Live Coaching Calls Monthly Out of the Cave Merch - For 10% off use code SCHLOS10 Lisa's Socials Instagram Facebook YouTube
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