Podcast appearances and mentions of Chris Freeman

On this episode of CD Burners, we're diving into You'll Be Fine by Hot Mulligan with Chris Freeman himself. He breaks down how the band went from playing house shows in Michigan to headlining sold out tours — and how You'll Be Fine accidentally became their breakout album during the pandemic. We get into insane behind-the-scenes stories: recording above a seafood restaurant, band fights over harmonies, Discord fan takeovers, and how a View-Master and secret website helped launch new music.

We love TREES! Our favourite community driven, chilled weekend and independent festival, 2000Trees, always make us feel special. Sappenin' Podcast returned to Upcote Farm, for another round of sunshine, alternative music and the chance to reunite with old friends. Episode 295 features all our backstage gossip, infiltrating stages and chaotic guest moments, as we talk with artists for more behind the scenes adventures. Listen to exclusive conversations with Better Lovers (Greg Puciato & Jordan Buckley), Nova Twins (Amy Love & Georgia South), Hot Mulligan (Chris Freeman), indie princess Lauran Hibberd, Spanish Love Songs (Dylan Slocum), The Nightmares (Adam Parslow & Benjamin Mainwaring), Fangs Out (Mikey White) and more! Turn it up and join Sean and Morgan to find out Sappenin' this week!Follow us on Social Media:Twitter: @sappeninpodInstagram: @sappeninpodSpecial thank you to our Sappenin' Podcast Patreons:Join the Sappenin' Podcast Community: Patreon.com/Sappenin.Kylie Wheeler, Janelle Caston, Paul Hirschfield, Tony Michael, Scarlet Charlton, Dilly Grimwood, Mitch Perry, Nathan Crawshaw, Molly Molloy, James Bowerbank, Amee Louise, Kat Bessant, Kieran Lewis, Alexandra Pemblington, Jonathan Gutierrez, Jenni Robinson, Stuart McNaught, Jenni Munster, Louis Cook, Carl Pendlebury, James Mcnaught, Martina McManus, Jason Heredia, John&Emma, Danny Eaton, RahRah James, Sian Foynes, Evan, Ollie Amesbury, Dan Peregreen, Emily Perry, Kalila Keane, Adam Parslow, Josh Crisp, Vicki Henshaw, Laura Russell, Fraser Cummings, Sophie Ansell, Kyle Smith, Connor Lewins, Billy Hunter, Harry Radford, George Evans, Em Evans Roberts, Thomas O'Neill, Sinead O'Halloran, Kael Braham, Jade Austin, Charlie Wood, Aurora Winchester, Jordan Harris, James Page, Georgie Hopkinson, Helen Anyetta, John Wilson, Lisa Sullivan, Ayla Emo, Kelly Young, Jennifer Dean, Tj Ambler-Shattock, Chaz Howkins, Michael Snowden, Justine Baddeley, David Winchurch, Jim Farrell, Scott Evans, Andrew Simpson, Shaun Croucher, Lewis Sluman, Ellie Gowers, Luke Wardle, Grazyna McGroarty, Nathan Matheson, Matt Roberts, Joshua Lewis, Erin Howard,, Chris Harris, Lucy Neill, Amy Thomas, Jessie Hellier, Stevie Burke, Robert Pike, Anthony Matthews, Samantha Neville, Sarah Maher, Owen Davies, Bethan Downing, Jessica Tiernan, Danielle Oldershaw, Samantha Bowen, Ruby Price, Jule Ferl, Alice Wood, Billy Parmiter, Emma Musgrave, Rhian Friggens, Hannah Kenyon, Patrick Floyd, Hayley Taylor, Loz Sanchez, Cerys Andrews, Dan Johnson, Eva B, Emma Barber, Helen Macbeth, Melissa Mercury, Joshua Ryan, Cate Stevenson, Emily Moorhouse, Jacob Turner, Madeleine Inez, Robert Byrne, Christopher Goldring, Chris Lincoln, Beth Gayler, Lesley Dargie-Walker, Sabina Grosch, Tom Hylands, Andrew Keech, Kerry Beckett, Leanne Gerrard, Ieuan Wheeler, Hannah Rachael, Gemma Graham, Andy Wastell, Jay Smith, Nuala Clark, Liam Connolly, Lavender Martin, Lloyd Pinder, Ghostly Grimoire, Amy Hogg.Diolch and Thank You x Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This podcast episode is a throwback from 2022! Next week's episode will feature an interview with frontman of Hot Mulligan, Tades Sanville https://hotmulligan.band/ Hot Mulligan Instagram: @hotmulligan Chris's Instagram: @chrsfrmn Furnace Fest 2024: The End of an Era October 4-6, 2024 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.furnacefest.us/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Best Friends Forever Fest October 11-13, 2024 ⁠⁠⁠https://www.bestfriendsforeverfest.com/⁠⁠⁠ Connect with Dana B (podcast host): ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.instagram.com/danafuggenb⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.instagram.com/twoweeknoticepodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Two Week Notice Podcast "jingle" written by Travis Shettel & performed by Piebald ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.instagram.com/piebald⁠⁠⁠

In 1979, the Iron Horse Music Hall opened inside a nondescript storefront on Center Street in Northampton — and launched four decades of music and memories. After it was shuttered a few years ago, the nonprofit Parlor Room Collective decided to not only reopen it, but fix what needed fixing while keeping its intimate model intact. On the next episode of BusinessTalk, Parlor Room Collective Executive Director Chris Freeman talks with BusinessWest Editor Joe Bednar about the challenge of this project, an ongoing campaign to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars to complete it, and why live music — and the Iron Horse — are so critical to the cultural life of this city and region. It's must listening, so tune in to BusinessTalk, a podcast presented by BusinessWest.

In 1979, the Iron Horse Music Hall opened inside a nondescript storefront on Center Street in Northampton — and launched four decades of music and memories. After it was shuttered a few years ago, the nonprofit Parlor Room Collective decided to not only reopen it, but fix what needed fixing while keeping its intimate model intact. On the next episode of BusinessTalk, Parlor Room Collective Executive Director Chris Freeman talks with BusinessWest Editor Joe Bednar about the challenge of this project, an ongoing campaign to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars to complete it, and why live music — and the Iron Horse — are so critical to the cultural life of this city and region. It's must listening, so tune in to BusinessTalk, a podcast presented by BusinessWest.

Chris Freeman and Brian Welch of GayC/DC chat about the loss of thier guitarist Clint Yeager, collaborating the the one and only Dug Pinnick, creating the perfect visuals for thier shows. Facebook- https://www.facebook.com/gaycdcband Instagram- https://www.instagram.com/officialgaycdc Listen to "Dirty Dudes Done Dirt Cheap" https://youtu.be/z2c_nxevlDA?si=EgebdtkTLPAtJTFf Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Unlock the secrets behind the Republican race for NC Court of Appeals Judge, Seat 15, as I share a comprehensive analysis of candidates Chris Freeman and Hunter Murphy. . Be informed, be prepared, and join us on this episode to understand the values and experiences shaping the candidates who seek to earn your trust in the upcoming primaries.Chris Freeman & Hunter MurphyNC Deep Dive's Voters' Guide for the 2024 Primary ElectionBallotpediaWRAL's Voters' GuideRaleigh News & Observer Voters' GuideINDY Week's Candidate QuestionnaireCampaign Finance Reports for All Candidate CommitteesVoter Information --Register to Vote --Voter Info (Designated Polling Places, Sample Ballots, Registration Status, Voting Jurisdiction, Verify Address and Party Affiliation) --Election Information --Election Day Voting FAQs--Absentee by Mail FAQs Closest Early Voting Locations February 15th-March 2ndW.E. Hunt Recreation Center in Holly SpringsHilltop Needmore Town Park & Preserve2024 Primary Election Early Voting Bus Route Guide ELECTION DAY Tuesday, March 5th from 6:30 AM to 7:30 PMSupport the showAs always, if you are interested in being on or sponsoring the podcast or if you have any particular issues, thoughts, or questions you'd like explored on the podcast, please email NCDeepDive@gmail.com. Your contributions would be greatly appreciated.Now, let's dive in!

Being wealthy is meaningless if you're not healthy, but unfortunately, for a lot of people wellness is a lot more elusive than money. With all the illnesses and diseases out there,  it seems like our bodies are ticking timebombs, but that doesn't have to be the case.   With the right modalities, our bodies can sustain and health themselves, and we won't have to rely on traditional medicine. How have thousands of people solved their health issues through fasting? How do we cut through the health lies we've been told and key into what our bodies are telling us?   In this episode, I'm joined by health guru, author, speaker, wellness consultant, and founder of A Healthy Alternative, Chris Freeman. He shares how we can transform our lives by changing our relationship with food, and how we can create the ultimate legacy for our children - one of wellness.   The body is the only thing that heals the body. -Chris Freeman  Three Things You'll Learn In This Episode    -Eat your water  Could certain foods be a richer source of hydration than the 8 glasses we've been told to drink everyday?   -How to get rid of hunger pangs  How do we start fasting without setting ourselves up for failure?   -Build on your passion How did Chris build a thriving community on YouTube?   Guest Bio   Chris Freeman is a health guru, author, speaker, wellness consultant, and the founder of A Healthy Alternative. A Healthy Alternative is here to help you realize your potential as a whole(listic) human “Being” primarily through, but not limited to, Water Fasting. A Healthy Alternative is a wellness community with water fasting as its fundamental practice.  For more information, head to https://ahealthyalternative.org/, http://www.AHAcommunities.com, http://AHAwellnessacademy.com and subscribe to the YouTube channel.

​​W​e meet the members of a barbershop quartet that is preparing to deliver musical love notes​. The Wired4Sound barbershop quartet is made up of Deborah Smith, Chris Freeman, Jill Woodley and Rachel St. Laurent.

Glenn Poulos is the cofounder, vice president, and general manager of Gap Wireless Inc. With over three decades of experience in sales, he has developed a successful strategy system by spending thousands of hours in the field or on the phone with customers and working with salespeople in several successful companies. https://glennpoulos.com/  https://www.linkedin.com/in/glenn-poulos-45bab86/   Chris Freeman - https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisfreeman/  

Chris Freeman, flamboyant founder and front man of the world's 1st and only all-gay AC/DC tribute band, sits down for a loud & proud edition in celebration of GayC/DC's 10th anniversary. Formed in LA, Chris discusses everything from their tongue & cheek covers (Whole Lotta José, Let There Be Cock), to Doug Pinnick & Sebastian Bach joining the band onstage and even AC/DC's origin connection to gay culture, this fabulous episode just may have the biggest balls of all. 

In this episode, Hot Mulligan guitarist Chris Freeman dives into the creation and recording of the fan-favorite track "*Equip Sunglasses*". While producer Brett Romnes played a pivotal role in bringing the song to life, the track's structure remained remarkably faithful to its original demo. Beyond its catchy melodies, "*Equip Sunglasses*" serves as a lyrical expression of frustrations directed at those who attempt to confine the band within a predetermined box or enforce standards they never intended to uphold. If you enjoy Chris DeMakes A Podcast and would like to support the show, head to http://www.ChrisDeMakes.com to sign up for the Supporting Cast. By joining, you'll get weekly bonus episodes, plus instant access to a giant back catalog of episodes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Chris Freeman is the founder and CEO of Grainmaker, an open kitchen that uses quality ingredients to produce food that is both mindful and flavor forward. He is also the Chief Executive Officer of B.GOOD, a local, New England fast casual restaurant chain with an innovative, sustainably-grown take on the foods you love. -- If you haven't yet had the chance, make sure to register for our 2024 Real Leaders Impact Awards. Our Impact Award winners gain access to a values aligned community, credibility through Real Leaders, and access to our network of Impact capital sources. Apply now to claim your discounted application ⁠https://eunbi5zgbx7.typeform.com/to/XNdfGsS2#app_first_name=xxxxx&company_name=xxxxx&work_email=xxxxx&campaign_name=xxxxx&channel=LN&owner=Z⁠ Also, check out Outsource Access for all of your Virtual Staffing Needs. At an affordable rate you can outsource the work you need to get done at an extremely affordable rate. You can find more info about them here using this link. https://outsourceaccess.com/

In this episode of the High Tech Freedom Sales Podcast, host Chris Freeman welcomes guest Neil Rogers, who shares his journey from the food industry to entrepreneurship in the athletic footwear and apparel business. Neil emphasizes the importance of consistency, organization, and professionalism in sales. They discuss the power of incorporating both email and physical mail in marketing strategies, and Neil shares creative ideas for grabbing clients' attention. They also highlight the significance of personalization, value-driven outreach, and building relationships. Tune in to gain valuable insights into successful sales strategies and the art of standing out in a crowded marketplace. About Neil Rogers For over three decades, Neil Rogers has built a successful career in sales and marketing, working with clients in a wide range of verticals, including pharmaceutical, biomedical, manufacturing, logistics, financial services, and government defense contractors. He is the  Owner and VP of Marketing & Sales at Rogers Marketing, winner of several Million Dollar Sales awards, the Velocity Award for growth, and Heavy Hitter Awards for large accounts. Neil and his wife Lori are the creators/owners of the Positive Activity 11-Step Process, using scientifically proven activities to increase the quality of life and business through creativity, optimism, and positivity. The two entrepreneurs started the non-profit PASE (Parents Assisting Special Educators) and PASE After 21 for special needs adults. Bar Tips is his first published book, drawing on the lessons learned during his years as a bartender that Neil has applied for success in sales. Discover more at: https://www.positiveactivity.net/ Host Contact Information - Chris Freeman LinkedIn - http://linkedin.com/in/chrisfreeman Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/chris.freeman.9461

In this episode, we cover: In this episode of the High Tech Freedom Sales podcast, host Chris Freeman interviews guest Harrison Ryder. Harrison shares his background in sales and how he got started in the industry. He also discusses his role as the owner and founder of Elevation Sales Group, where he serves as an outsourced VP of sales and sales acceleration advisor for small to medium-sized companies. Harrison dives into the common problems and challenges he helps these companies overcome, such as stagnant or declining revenue and lack of sales infrastructure. He emphasizes the importance of aligning sales processes, compensation plans, and CRM systems with organizational goals. Harrison also highlights the key traits that separate the top 20% of sales professionals from the rest of the pack. Tune in to discover valuable insights on sales management and success.   About Harrison: As Founder and President of Elevation Sales Group, powered by Sales Xceleration, a sales management consulting firm, Harrison leverages his 35 years of successful sales and sales management experience to help small and medium-sized companies exceed their revenue targets.  Having worked with start-ups and Fortune 500 companies, managed national and international sales organizations, Harrison now partners with Owners, CEOs, and Presidents to create high performing sales teams that consistently deliver breakthrough sales results. By aligning corporate goals, installing the proper sales processes and procedures, mentoring existing sales talent, and executing on effective sales strategies, Harrison helps create an accountable, professional, results oriented sales culture within his client companies.   He can be reached at   Website:  https://lnkd.in/dHJ9wHC Email:  hryder@salesxceleration.com Phone:  774-232-2904   Host Contact Information - Chris Freeman LinkedIn - http://linkedin.com/in/chrisfreeman Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/chris.freeman.9461

At his weekly press conference on Monday, Tom Allen spoke about the disappointing loss for the Indiana Hoosiers on Saturday, analyzing the offense and quarterback play of Tayven Jackson. On a night with so many disappointments, there were some positive aspects of IU's win as well.On today's episode of Locked on Hoosiers (@LO_Hoosiers), Jacob Rude (@JacobRude) looks at Allen's comments and discusses where the IU offense stands. Offensive coordinator Walt Bell deserves a lot of blame, but the offense as a whole has struggled to execute.Jackson's play also dipped on Saturday, including a very notable miscue in the third overtime involving Jaylin Lucas. While it was an expected growing pain for Jackson, the key for him, Allen and Bell is learning from it and improving.The show wraps by looking at the positives of the win, including Cam Camper and Christian Turner on the offensive side of the ball. Defensively, Louis Moore and Phillip Dunham in the secondary and Andre Carter on the defensive line as well as Chris Freeman on special teams all had strong showings.Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!NutrafolTake the first step to visibly thicker, healthier hair. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners ten dollars off your first month's subscription and free shipping when you go to Nutrafol.com/men and enter the promo code LOCKEDONCOLLEGE. DoorDashGet fifty percent off your first DoorDash order up to a twenty-dollar value when you use code lockedoncollege at checkout. Limited time offer, terms apply.Jase MedicalSave more than $360 by getting these lifesaving antibiotics with Jase Medical plus an additional $20 off by using code LOCKEDON at checkout on jasemedical.com.Athletic BrewingGo to AthleticBrewing.com and enter code LOCKEDON to get 15% off your first online order or find a store near you! Athletic Brewing. Milford, CT and San Diego, CA. Near Beer.GametimeDownload the Gametime app, create an account, and use code LOCKEDONCOLLEGE for $20 off your first purchase.LinkedInLinkedIn Jobs helps you find the qualified candidates you want to talk to, faster. Post your job for free at LinkedIn.com/LOCKEDONCOLLEGE. Terms and conditions apply.FanDuelMake Every Moment More. Right now, NEW customers can bet FIVE DOLLARS and get TWO HUNDRED in BONUS BETS – GUARANTEED. Visit FanDuel.com/LOCKEDON to get started.FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

At his weekly press conference on Monday, Tom Allen spoke about the disappointing loss for the Indiana Hoosiers on Saturday, analyzing the offense and quarterback play of Tayven Jackson. On a night with so many disappointments, there were some positive aspects of IU's win as well. On today's episode of Locked on Hoosiers (@LO_Hoosiers), Jacob Rude (@JacobRude) looks at Allen's comments and discusses where the IU offense stands. Offensive coordinator Walt Bell deserves a lot of blame, but the offense as a whole has struggled to execute. Jackson's play also dipped on Saturday, including a very notable miscue in the third overtime involving Jaylin Lucas. While it was an expected growing pain for Jackson, the key for him, Allen and Bell is learning from it and improving. The show wraps by looking at the positives of the win, including Cam Camper and Christian Turner on the offensive side of the ball. Defensively, Louis Moore and Phillip Dunham in the secondary and Andre Carter on the defensive line as well as Chris Freeman on special teams all had strong showings. Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors! Nutrafol Take the first step to visibly thicker, healthier hair. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners ten dollars off your first month's subscription and free shipping when you go to Nutrafol.com/men and enter the promo code LOCKEDONCOLLEGE.  DoorDash Get fifty percent off your first DoorDash order up to a twenty-dollar value when you use code lockedoncollege at checkout. Limited time offer, terms apply. Jase Medical Save more than $360 by getting these lifesaving antibiotics with Jase Medical plus an additional $20 off by using code LOCKEDON at checkout on jasemedical.com. Athletic Brewing Go to AthleticBrewing.com and enter code LOCKEDON to get 15% off your first online order or find a store near you! Athletic Brewing. Milford, CT and San Diego, CA. Near Beer. Gametime Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code LOCKEDONCOLLEGE for $20 off your first purchase. LinkedIn LinkedIn Jobs helps you find the qualified candidates you want to talk to, faster. Post your job for free at LinkedIn.com/LOCKEDONCOLLEGE. Terms and conditions apply. FanDuel Make Every Moment More. Right now, NEW customers can bet FIVE DOLLARS and get TWO HUNDRED in BONUS BETS – GUARANTEED. Visit FanDuel.com/LOCKEDON to get started. FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode of the High Tech Freedom Sales Podcast, host Chris Freeman welcomes JC Otero, an experienced sales professional with over 15 years of industry experience. JC shares his background in sales, his journey from individual contributor to managing sales development teams, and his insights on what sets top performers apart from the rest. Key Takeaways: Background in Sales: - JC Otero has been selling since he was a child, with a range of side hustles to generate income. - Professionally, he has over 15 years of sales experience, including roles at Wells Fargo Financial, Dell, Informatica, and leadership positions in sales development. Transitioning to Sales Development: - JC made the transition to sales development leadership because of his passion for helping and developing future sales professionals. - He rapidly progressed from managing a team of 14 reps to leading multiple teams and teams across different regions. Managing Managers: - When JC transitioned to managing managers, the biggest challenge was the people aspect. - Many of the managers had limited experience in people management, so JC focused on developing their skills in managing the reps. Differentiating Top Performers: - JC consistently saw three pillars that differentiated top performers in his organizations: organization, communication, and collaboration. - Effective organization includes organizing thoughts, time management, and maximizing productivity. - Top performers prioritize their time and plan their year, month, week, and day to ensure productive use of their hours. Maximizing Time: - JC shares his strategies for maximizing time, which include reviewing and planning the week every Friday and setting goals for each day. - Putting everything on the calendar, including individual tasks, helps create a clearer picture of priorities and deadlines. - By managing his time effectively, JC ensures that he stays focused and productive. Conclusion: JC Otero emphasizes the importance of organization, communication, and collaboration in sales. Top performers in sales development excel in these areas and prioritize effective time management. By implementing these strategies, sales professionals can increase their productivity and achieve superior results. Contact JC at https://www.linkedin.com/in/juancarlosotero/  Enter our monthly drawing for an insulated High Tech Freedom tumbler - www.hightechfreedom.com/mug   Host Contact Information - Chris Freeman LinkedIn - http://linkedin.com/in/chrisfreeman Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/chris.freeman.9461

In this episode of the Interesting B2B Marketers podcast, Chris Freeman, Advisor & EIR at Techstars, Colliers Intl., & Food Foundry, shares his experiences as a tech advisor and startup mentor. Chris discusses a case study about a startup that utilizes technology to impact the lives of the deaf and hard-of-hearing community. The conversation covers the challenges faced,  strategies employed to overcome them, and the importance of finding talent within niche communities.Steve and Chris delve into the significance of effective communication, sales training software, and networking strategies. They also touch on Chris's mentoring work with a food accelerator and his assistance in helping a company find office space. Finally, the discussion explores advertising best practices and the need for B2B marketers to focus on the fundamentals in their tech stacks.So tune in to hear Chris's journey and the valuable insights he has to share!Connect with Chris and Steve on LinkedIn.

In this episode, we learn about the new partnership between Walden Local Meat Co. and B. Good. The companies' CEOs, Nancy Pak and Chris Freeman, join host David Crowley from Cooking Chat to talk about how these two New England companies with a focus on local food are now offering local grass-fed beef burgers at B. Good's fast casual restaurants. In this episode, we cover: Background on the mission of the two companies involved in this partnership. The local grass-fed ground beef burgers now being served at B. Good as a result of this partnership. How this partnership came about and how it taps into the synergy between the two companies. Nancy shares about celebrating the partnership with the Walden Local Meat team by enjoying some of the burgers. Chris talking about feeling great and going for a run after enjoying one of the burgers. How providing the grass-fed ground beef for B. Good builds on Walden's core business of delivering local meat to households in New England and the New York tri-state area. The B. Good list of "No-No Ingredients" and how this partnerships fit well with their focus on clean, local food.

Shhhh! Golf Is On. Number one hot new band, meme makers and winners of funny song titles, Hot Mulligan, are our guests on Episode 232 of Sappenin' Podcast! Vocal duo Nathan 'Tades' Sanville and Chris Freeman introduce us to their world of unhinged chaos, stepping out of comfort zones and confusing Mark Hoppus (Blink-182). In this conversation, Tades and Chris discuss travel nightmares, war hammer, new music, shooting a wrestling music video, creating their own HM championship belt, how their song names broke the internet, recovering from awful shows, growing up in Michigan, $1200 milk, getting an apology from Tony Hawk and more! Turn it up and join Sean and Morgan to find out Sappenin' this week!Follow us on Social Media:Twitter: @sappeninpod.Instagram: @sappeninpod.Special thank you to our Sappenin' Podcast Patreons:Join the Sappenin' Podcast Community: Patreon.com/Sappenin.Kylie Wheeler, Janelle Caston, Paul Hirschfield, Tony Michael, Dilly Grimwood, Kelly Irwin, Scarlet Charlton, Natasha Morris, Emma Barber, Nathan Crawshaw, Mitch Perry, Sammy G, Kat Bessant, Dana Lasnover, Jenni Robinson, Amee Louise, Stuart McNaught, Louis Cook, Danny Eaton, Carl Pendlebury, Martina McManus, Jenni Munster, James Mcnaught, Kelly Emma Cannon, Emily Perry, Jason Heredia, John&Emma, Craig Harris, Kalila Keane, Ollie Amesbury, Adam Parslow, Josh Crisp, Alice Wood, Rhys Bowring, Cate Stevenson, Kyle David Smith, Connor Lewins, Harry Radford, Let it Flow Yoga, Billy Hunter, Chris Hawthorne, Jordan Harris, James Page, Jade Austin, Helen Hartga, John Wilson, Kelly Young, Ayla Emo, Steph Blakemore, Lisa Sullivan, Jennifer Dean, Stephanie Lowe, Scott Evans, Samantha Neville, Amy Thomas, Stevie Burke, Heather Stote, Sharif O, Lewis Sluman, Michael Snowden, Sarah Maher, Tim Whatley, David Winchurch, Luke Wardle, Justine Baddeley, Nathan Matheson, Bethan Downing, Robert Pike, Jessie Hellier, Ash Foster, Jamie O' Jaime, Matt Roberts, Owen Davies, Joshua Ehrensperger-Lewis, Anthony Matthews, Erin Howard, Chris Harris, Jim Farrell, Andrew Simpson, Ida Christensen, Vicki Willis-Dent, Samantha Bowen, Daniel Cullen, James Bowerbank, Ruby Price, Lucy Neill, Loz Sanchez, Eva B, Hannah Kenyon, Emma Musgrave, Vicki Henshaw, Tom Hylands, Sophie Brydon, Beth Gayler, Lydia Henderson, Sabina Laura, Madeleine Inez, Hannah Rachael, Ieuan Wheeler, Robert Byrne, Gemma Bisi, Andrew Keech, Alexandra Pemblington, Chris Goldring, Chris Lincoln, Gemma Graham, Charley Allison, Kerry Beckett, Jemma John, Jacob Turner, Andy Wastell, Leanne Gerrard, Livvy Cropper, Antony Hersey, Jay Smith, Lesley Dargie-Walker, Nuala Clark, Grazyna McGroarty, Danielle Oldershaw, Sian Foynes, Even Dodd, Ellen Southfield, Anthony English.Diolch and Thank You x Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this Topical Tuesday's episode, I spoke with Chris Freeman who is a high-tech sales professional, as well as a savvy capital raiser and real estate Investor. He's been investing in and operating multifamily investments for the last 20 years and he's focused on helping others to grow their multifamily investments. Be sure to tune in if you're interested in learning about: How his skills as a sales professional have allowed him to thrive in the world of multifamily real estate Why sales professionals in particular can benefit massively from investing passively in multifamily investments What the most common challenges are that sales professionals face and how passive investments can help them to overcome those challenges The most important risks that passive investors in multifamily investments should be paying attention to right now To your success, Tyler Lyons Resources mentioned in the episode: 1. Chris Freeman Podcast LinkedIn Interested in investing in ATMs? Check out our webinar.   Please note that investing in private placement securities entails a high degree of risk, including illiquidity of the investment and loss of principal. Please refer to the subscription agreement for a discussion of risk factors. Tired of scrambling for capital?  Check out our new FREE webinar -  How to Ensure You Never Scramble for Capital Again (The 3 Capital-Raising Secrets). Click Here to register.   CFC Podcast Facebook Group

The young vlogger & creator Chris Freeman joins for a great conversation. Chris is an artist at heart, a comic with his wits, and a skeptic of UFO sightings. Tyler & Chris discuss why there needs to be better evidence of UFO sightings, especially for those of us who want to believe but will never do so blindly. There will be a few rants about how difficult customers can be, and some about how those who work in customer service find it hard to perform at certain levels of demand & stress. So tune in for yet another great episode & conversation from The Symbiosis Now Podcast. Be sure to find Chris Freeman on Instagram @lonelycalifornianightss & of course find his channel " lonely california nights " on YouTube! Check out the many episodes of The Symbiosis Now Podcast on Spotify & Apple Podcasts -- and be sure to find the show on Instagram @symbiosisnow.podcast for highlights, pictures, and clips from the show! TELL YOUR FRIENDS ABOUT THE PODCAST. Find the host Tyler Colombero @brodudemann . Check out the NEW TSNN website with links to The Symbiosis Now Podcast & THE CALI AG PODCAST from The Symbiosis Now Network ! Give Alfredo Vargas from Academy West Insurance a call at (559)638-3800 ! Cheers to Nic Chagoya aka @nicos_wurld , aka nicos_artbook , aka @nicosgotsatiktok for creating the new podcast cover art that you are witnessing now! Be sure to find him on the socials and see his wide variety of skills & art. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/symbiosisnow/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/symbiosisnow/support

A reflection from an interview earlier in the year. In this episode, I take 4 keys to success that one of my guests talked about, and I put my own opinion to each one.    While the 4 points may not be a surprise, spend the time to hear my personal examples and ideas. Pasion Focus Discipline Structure To connect with Chris, please schedule a 15 minute introduction call. https://calendly.com/freeman-ppp/15min   What does Freedom mean to you? Check out our webinar: “How Top Sales Pros Create Passive Income & Achieve Financial Freedom With Hands-Off Real Estate Investing”   Download our free eBook on “Passively Investing in Real Estate” by going to www.hightechfreedom.com   Host Contact Information - Chris Freeman LinkedIn - http://linkedin.com/in/chrisfreeman Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/chris.freeman.9461

See the writing on the wall and understand when to pivot and invest in different markets as a commercial real estate investor. Seasoned investor Chris Freeman of Pacific Pine Property is our guest and explains how. Alex covers the market recap for the week of 12/19/2022, and what comparative advantage is. Advanta IRA does not offer investment, tax, or legal advice nor do we endorse any products, investments, or companies that offer such advice and/or investments. This includes any investments promoted or discussed during the podcast as neither Advanta IRA nor its employees, have reviewed or vetted any investments, persons, or companies that may discuss their services during this podcast. All parties are strongly encouraged to perform their own due diligence and consult with the appropriate professional(s) before entering into any type of investment.

Episode 207 - A Yank on the Footy - Grand Final Preview with Myk Aussie and Chris Freeman In this episode, I sit down with Myk Aussie and Chris Freeman to talk about the Cats/Swans Grand Final New podcast website If you want to help with the birthday card project for my mom, please share a birthday card, and a picture or anecdote that makes you happy.  Her birthday is in mid-November.   The mailing address is:  Anne Wessels c/o Craig Wessels 1124 McKinley St. Sandusky Ohio 44870 USA Guest Intake Form - link Want to help out the podcast? Leave me a review! Buy me a coffee, Podcast fundraiser Podcast "merch" storefront @Yank_on A Yank on the Footy Podcast - Home | Facebook ayankonthefooty@gmail.com MykAussie.tv AFANA.com TV schedule Club of the Round, sponsored by mykaussie.tv - The Tracy Village Razorbacks Tracy Village | AFL Northern Territory https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100063469932813 MAILING LIST signup:  I hope you'll consider signing up for the mailing list, so you'll be the first to have the new episode dropped off right into your inbox.  You can sign up for the mailing list that is on ayankonthefooty.com For crisis support, please contact: Lifeline http://lifeline.org.au 13 11 14  Beyond Blue http://beyondblue.org.au 1300 22 4636 In the U.S.: https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ 1-800-273-8255 –  Active duty military and veterans, dial 988 and press 1

Chris Freeman (co-founder of the band Hot Mulligan) checks in on a day off from the Sad Summer tour. We also discuss: his first tour in Europe, growing up in Manistique, Michigan, touring with New Found Glory and Less Than Jake, transitioning from drummer to guitarist, and much more. Chris & Hot Mulligan's links / socials: Hot Mulligan Instagram - @hotmulligan Hot Mulligan Link Tree: https://lnk.to/drinkmilk Chris's Instagram: @xlhc_ Chris's solo stuff: https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/extralargeholidaycard1/first-time Pins & Needles Cleveland, OH (70s Classic Cocktail Lounge): https://www.pinsandneedlescle.com/ Two Week Notice Podcast partners: www.piebald.com Downeast Hard Cider - https://downeastcider.com/ Furnace Fest - for tickets & more info, visit https://www.furnacefest.us/ Follow Furnace Fest on Instagram: @furnacefest & @furnace_fest_community Go to www.plugyourholes.com and enter the code "TWNPOD" at checkout for a 15% discount Two Week Notice Podcast partners: www.piebald.com Downeast Hard Cider - https://downeastcider.com/ Furnace Fest - for tickets & more info, visit https://www.furnacefest.us/ Follow Furnace Fest on Instagram: @furnacefest & @furnace_fest_community Go to www.plugyourholes.com and enter the code "TWNPOD" at checkout for a 15% discount Ways to support the Two Week Notice Podcast: Follow Dana on Instagram: @danafuggenb Follow the podcast on Instagram: @twoweeknoticepodcast iPhone users - give the show a 5-star written review on Apple Podcasts Non-iPhone users - give the show 5 stars on Spotify Spread the word on the socials, and tell a friend! --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/dana-bollen3/message

Chris Freeman is an experienced real estate investor with $20M in assets under management. His 20 years of real estate investment have focused exclusively on multifamily apartment buildings that can generate immediate cash flow. Over 26 years, he has been fortunate to experience financial success through high-tech sales and sales leadership. Working with companies like Juniper Networks, CIENA, Lucent, and Citrix, he has learned how to achieve a high level of performance in sales while re-deploying a portion of his commissions into cash flow generating real estate. Through a consistent process over time, Chris has created enough passive income to replace his high-tech sales income. This success inspired Chris to create High Tech Freedom Capital and help his peers achieve their own personal success. Chris has his own podcast, High Tech Freedom which caters to people involved in sales. Personally, he's been sharing his expertise and experiences with a lot of people not only through his podcast but also through community interactions, especially with the youth. Check out this episode to learn more about: Chris briefly talks about himself and the things that matter balancing W2 jobs and the real estate business. Efficiently managing time and delivering results. How the dot-com bubble crash shifted Chris's interest in investing toward real estate The challenges that Chris has encountered while growing his real estate portfolio. Advantages of working with an experienced business partner when working on syndications. Creating partnerships, maximizing what each partner is good at, and setting up goals. The importance of building relationships and adding value to your team and potential partners The value of persistence and looking for opportunities and the right motivation. What is Chris's "why's" and how does it fit into his real estate business? Blending real estate and high-tech business together in one platform. How podcasting can help you learn new ideas for your business How does faith play an important role in Chris' life? To connect with Chris Freeman and know more about High Tech Sales and Multifamily investing please visit: ➡️Website:

If you're juggling both being a W2 employee and a real estate investor, you do not want to skip today's episode. Joining us is Chris Freeman to show how to work full-time while investing at the same time, the importance of hiring a property manager, building a rental portfolio, and being a great team player in real estate. Make sure to listen in!Key Takeaways To Listen ForAdvice for balancing a W2 job and a real estate businessIssues that could arise from self-managing your propertiesStrategies for building a large rental portfolio within two decadesTips for finding real estate operators and partners to work withWays to show your value and contribution to your teamHow podcasting can help you learn new ideas for your business Resources Mentioned In This EpisodeBuildiumFree Apartment Syndication Due Diligence Checklist for Passive Investor About Chris FreemanChris is an experienced real estate investor with $38M in assets under management. His 20 years of real estate investment has focused exclusively on multifamily apartment buildings that can generate immediate cash flow. He has a background in high tech sales and sales leadership and through a consistent process over time, Chris has created enough passive income to replace his high-tech sales income. This success had inspired Chris to create High Tech Freedom Capital and help his peers achieve their own personal success. Connect with ChrisWebsite: High Tech FreedomLinkedin: Chris FreemanFacebook: Chris FreemanInstagram: @hightechfreedomTwitter: @PDXFreemanPodcast: High Tech FreedomTo Connect With UsPlease visit our website: www.bonavestcapital.com and please click here, to leave a rating and review!SponsorsGrow Your Show, LLCThinking About Creating and Growing Your Own Podcast But Not Sure Where To Start?Visit GrowYourShow.com and Schedule a call with Adam A. Adams.

Chris Freeman, Brian Welch, & Clint Yeager of GayC/DC on tipping the janitor for cleaning up after a show, overcoming inherited & implicit bias, and the bands approach to creating fun, informative, high quality Rock & Roll. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/brutally-delicious/message

On this recap episode from our recent conversation from Chris Freeman, Derek and Sophie discuss how important it is to think long term. We also discuss how organization and processes can supercharge results. By having systems, the seemingly impossible can be done while you sleep. In addition, having a daily focus on your largest goals and being aware of them can help you get farther than ever before.We thank our guest Chris Freeman for coming on and providing us some powerful takeaways that we discussed on this episode!Unlock 3+1 degrees of freedom (time, location, financial + health) with our 5 Point Blueprint! https://elevateequity.org/podcastgiftIf you really enjoyed this content and are looking for more, you can continue to learn more about us in several different places for free!on our website for blogs & other podcast interviews! elevateequity.orgour YouTube channel! youtube.com/channel/derekcliffordour book/audiobook! amazon.com/dp/ebookIf you'd like to have a FREE copy of our 7 Ways Commercial Real Estate Syndications Protect and Build Wealth, simply click the link below. We are here and vested in your long-term success! elevateequity.org/7waysEbook

Longevity and sticking with it is one of those skills that comes back to serve you in spades! On this show, we talk with Chris Freeman to tackle some tough questions, including:• What skills have you leveraged into your investing from the W-2 world?•  Why not leave your W-2?•  Where is your spouse's opinion on your massive action here?•  What are some systems & criteria you use to deploy any active capital into passive?•  What would you say is your talent and how did you leverage that to success?Chris is an experienced real estate investor with $20M in assets under management. His 20 years of real estate investment has focused exclusively on multifamily apartment buildings that can generate immediate cash flow. Over 26 years, he has been fortunate to experience financial success through high-tech sales and sales leadership.Working with companies like Juniper Networks, CIENA, Lucent, and Citrix, he has learned how to achieve a high level of performance in sales while re-deploying a portion of his commissions into cash flow generating real estate. Through a consistent process over time, Chris has created enough passive income to replace his high-tech sales income. This success had inspired Chris to create High Tech Freedom Capital and help his peers achieve their own personal success.Learn more about Chris and his business by visiting his website at https://hightechfreedom.com/. You can also connect with him on LinkedIn and on Facebook. Please check out his podcast channel and listen in High Tech Freedom.  If you really enjoyed this content and are looking for more, you can continue to learn more about us in several different places for free!on our website for blogs & other podcast interviews! elevateequity.orgour YouTube channel! youtube.com/channel/derekcliffordour book/audiobook! amazon.com/dp/ebookIf you'd like to have a FREE copy of our 7 Ways Commercial Real Estate Syndications Protect and Build Wealth, simply click the link below. We are here and vested in your long-term success! elevateequity.org/7waysEbook

Chris Freeman Episode 112 High-tech sales and high-tech freedom, featuring Chris Freeman, Principal Partner, High-tech Freedom Capital -The Lockbox Podcast with Jeffrey Brogger  Chris Freeman has enjoyed success in his years of employment in high-tech sales and sales leadership, working with companies like Juniper Networks, CIENA, Lucent, and Citrix. He has always been a money “saver,” and early in life, learned that investing in real estate is safer than investing in stocks. He created a consistent process over time and eventually created enough passive income to replace his high-tech sales income. With his proven skills, he proudly teaches his own teenage kids how to safely invest in real estate! Using his connections from LinkedIn, Chris created High Tech Freedom Capital, where he helps his high-tech peers achieve their own personal financial success.  In our conversation, Chris shares his insights on investing and his new passion for podcasting. Highlights include: How he learned about real estate investing. The influence of Dan Sullivan's teachings. Understanding that investing requires consistent behaviors. How he partners and invests with others. Analyzing an investment and adjusting for inflation and other current market factors. Sharing a rapport building tactic. The fulfillment of working with others and helping them achieve their dreams. Enjoy the show! Connect with Chris: Website: www.hightechfreedom.com LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/chrisfreeman Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chris.freeman.9461  YouTube: https://www.facebook.com/chris.freeman.9461  Connect with Jeff: https://steezy.digital/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.brogger  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffrey-brogger/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/jeffbrogger FREE DOWNLOAD: The Ultimate Real Estate Goal Setting Framework This SMART spreadsheet will automatically breakdown the number of phone calls, appointments, or open houses you need to achieve your income goal!!! Click below to download this SMART spreadsheet today! https://steezy.digital/ultimate-real-estate-goal-setting-framework Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Chris Freeman is an investor, entrepreneur and sales professional based in Portland, OR. He is also the host of the High Tech Freedom Podcast. He brings a unique perspective as he works the W-2 and builds a real estate empire on the side. We discuss the importance of sales, the benefit of making money and tying it all back to a journey. He's also got some great tips on goal setting and getting your kids involved! Be sure to check out Chris's podcast 'High Tech Freedom Podcast' and the High Tech Freedom Website High Tech Freedom Website: https://hightechfreedom.com/ High Tech Freedom Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/high-tech-freedom/id1590671171 ---- For more information about tax savings and stewarding your financial situation, be sure to check out the Better Books website and connect with Chris directly Website: betterbooksaccounting.co CONNECT with Chris on LinkedIn: Chris McCormack CPA, MBA FOLLOW Chris on Instagram: @chris_mccormack__ FOLLOW Better Books on Instagram: @better.books_llc --- Subscribe to our channels! Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/21FK4WSAdgzwRq2niiFq7c?si=8e96630d2a774fa9 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvisblLePw42lYk6z36XY-w Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/know-your-numbers-with-chris-mccormack/id1548255525----

Grab your favorite bowl of ice cream as we sat down with Chris Freeman the founder of High Tech Freedom a company that is all about helping technology sales professionals explore a level of freedom in what they do. Guest Bio Chris Freeman is an experienced real estate investor with $20M in assets under management. His 20 years of real estate investment has focused exclusively on multifamily apartment buildings that can generate immediate cash flow. Over 26 years, he has been fortunate to experience financial success through high-tech sales and sales leadership. Working with companies like Juniper Networks, and Citrix Guest Links  https://hightechfreedom.com/ LinkedIn : https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisfreeman/ Podcast: https://hightechfreedom.com/podcast/] Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/chris.freeman.9461 YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGCXcEQtwg_bd3QJYrMSGoA

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/301 Presented By: Togens Fly Shop, Anglers Coffee, Stonefly Nets, Reyr Gear Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors Chris Freeman, the creator of Emerger Fly Fishing waxed products, is here today to tell the story of how he got started crafting these awesome water repellant fly fishing bags and wallets. From growing up in a musical family to majoring in music in school, to being a full-time fly fishing gear craftsman, Chris tells us how he found his way into fly fishing and crafting. Find out how Chris and his wife manage to produce quality products all by themselves. Amid a world where people are losing their jobs and business owners are going bankrupt because of the pandemic, Chris sees this as an opportunity to take the fly fishing gear to a whole new level, and he tells us why. Fly Fishing Bags Show Notes with Chris Freeman 06:42 - The movie, A River Runs Through It (1992), inspired Chris to try fly fishing 09:30 - We had John Dietsch on the podcast at WFS 135 - he was Brad Pitt's fly fishing coach for the movie, A River Runs Through It 13:12 - Chris used to carry an Eddie Bauer satchel bag for fly fishing and traveling 16:09 - Chris sold his first bag on Etsy 18:49 - Chris answers that FAQ about his bags being waxed - he says that his bags are saturated by wax all the way through into the fibers of the material - water repellant, not waterproof 23:49 - We did an episode about classic gear with Ward Tonsfeldt at WFS 276 24:24 - Emerger Fly Fishing has a wallet made to organize leaders 24:39 - The Streamer wallet is made to hold your flies 24:55 - The Hybrid wallet can do both - organize leaders and hold flies 28:44 - His bags' form was inspired by Eddie Bauer bags, and the brown color was to give it an army look 31:04 - Ross White was on the podcast at WFS 291 where we talked about his bags - Deli Fresh Design 33:18 - Chris's family is musically inclined - he tells us how he got started playing instruments, then later became a music major in college 38:04 - Kerry Burkheimer was on the podcast at WFS 282 - he was also a musician 39:43 - Chris tells us what's coming up for Emerger Fly Fishing 47:29 - Using the chat feature on their website, you can reach Chris and the EFF team Fly Fishing Bags Conclusion with Chris Freeman Chris Freeman told us the story of how he got started crafting water repellant fly fishing bags and wallets. Chris tells us how he found his way into fly fishing and crafting from being a music major in college. We found out how Chris and his wife manage to produce their products all by themselves. Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/301

In this episode, Wayne talks to Chris Freeman, Principal Partner at High Tech Freedom, about consistency, processes, and technology in real estate. Chris is an experienced real estate investor with $30 million in assets under management. His 20 years of real estate investment has focused exclusively on multifamily apartment buildings that generate immediate cash flow. For more than 25 years, Chris has been fortunate to experience financial success through high-tech sales and sales leadership. He learned how to achieve a high level of performance in sales while re-deploying a portion of his commissions into cash flow generating real estate. Through a consistent process over time, Chris created enough passive income to replace his high-tech sales income. This success inspired Chris to create High Tech Freedom Capital and help peers achieve their own personal success. Topics on Today’s Episode: Duplex Days: How Chris got started in real estate was not intentional part of grand plan Mentor/Partner/Father-in-Law: Chris connected with retiree making serious cash flow Commissions: Put money down on multifamily properties to increase cash flowing assets Caution - Shiny Objects: Leverage basic tech platforms and tools to scale business Workflow: Follow steps in processes, make it consistent, and checklist everything Avatar: Why Chris focuses on raising capital, growing with high-tech sales entrepreneurs Property Challenge: Buying is more competitive but more info is available/accessible Metrics: Are we growing? How are the expenses? Are meetings and investor calls up? Motivation: Big goals and big dreams to own 300 units all paid off to generate cash flow To Do: Plan and map out daily, weekly, yearly goals - include revenue-generating activity Moving the Business Forward: Is what you are doing matter or just keeping you busy? Primary Partnerships: How Chris builds relationships and sources deals to grow portfolio Lessons Learned: Feel sorry for yourself for a few minutes, then start working again Overlooked Aspects: Numbers game - don’t let emotions/assumptions get in the way Links and Resources: High Tech FreedomChris Freeman on LinkedIn

Chris Freeman is in agony 24/7 but says he will never give up spreading the word about chronic illnesses. His Twitter bio says 'stay strong– you matter'. Freeman has more than twenty-two thousand followers on the bird platform. He tweets from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. He's on National Pain Advocacy Center's Community Leadership Council.In this episode, Freeman talks about family, online community and religion. Support the show

In the fifty-sixth episode of Collecting Real Estate, we interviewed Chris Freeman from High Tech Freedom.  Over a 25+ career in high- tech sales and sales leadership, Chris actively invested in multifamily real estate with a buy-and-hold strategy focused in the Pacific Northwest. In an effort to share his experience with other high-tech sales professionals, he founded High Tech Freedom. High Tech Freedom is helping high-tech sales professionals create passive income in real estate while crushing their sales quota! 

What are the ways to make you think big for yourself to be able to be successful in the real estate industry? Tune in to this episode with Chris Freeman and learn how to get yourself known and be efficient in your way.WHAT YOU'LL LEARN FROM THIS EPISODE Why you should put deals under property managementShifting from active to passive investingWhen is it essential to choose things that you are passionate about?How do you get known for scaling up your businessThe importance of creating goals that you want to accomplishABOUT CHRIS FREEMANChris Freeman is an experienced real estate investor with $20M in assets under management. His 20 years of real estate investment has focused exclusively on multifamily apartment buildings that can generate immediate cash flow. Over 26 years, he has been fortunate to experience financial success through high-tech sales and sales leadership. Working with companies like Juniper Networks, CIENA, Lucent, and Citrix, he has learned how to achieve a high level of performance in sales while re-deploying a portion of his commissions into cash flow generating real estate. Through a consistent process over time, Chris has created enough passive income to replace his high-tech sales income. This success had inspired Chris to create High Tech Freedom Capital and help his peers achieve their own personal success.CONNECT WITH CHRISWebsite: https://hightechfreedom.com/ Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/high-tech-freedom/id1590671171LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisfreeman/CONNECT WITH USGreen Light Equity Group: http://www.investwithgreenlight.com/Special Announcement! Tate's brand new audiobook "F.I.R.E.-Financial Independence Retire Early Through Apartment Investing" is downloadable! Go to: Green Light Equity Group: http://www.investwithgreenlight.com/ 

Over a 25+ career in high-tech sales and sales leadership, Chris actively invested in multifamily real estate with a buy-and-hold strategy focused in the Pacific Northwest. In an effort to share his experience with other high-tech sales professionals, he founded High Tech Freedom. High Tech Freedom is helping high-tech sales professionals create passive income in real estate while crushing their sales quota! _______ Pinny is an entrepreneur and multifamily real estate syndicator; he studied business management at Fairleigh Dickinson University. He then went on to be a sales representative for a building supplies company (Dependable Plastics). He was promoted to business development manager, where he supervised and grew a sales team that grossed over 5 million annually in sales. After meeting many successful real estate professionals on the job, Pinny was inspired and decided to begin his own entrepreneurial journey. He began in 2019 by purchasing his first real estate deal, a single-family home in Pennsylvania. Concluding that he would have to acquire hundreds of such properties to reach his goals of financial freedom, he decided that multifamily syndication would be the more efficient vehicle to help him reach his goals. Today Pinny is truly enthusiastic about multifamily syndication and has made it his mission to help as many people as possible achieve financial freedom, thus enabling them to pursue their true passions in life. Outside of real estate, Pinny is a gym rat, loves the outdoors, and enjoys baseball, swimming, and hiking. To connect with Pinny Lubinsky. E-mail: Pinny@PLCapitalVentures.com Website: https://plcapitalventures.com/.

The High Tech Freedom inaugural podcast. In this episode, Chris Freeman shares some insight into why he started the podcast, his personal journey, and the plans for future podcasts. He talks about: -Working with great tech companies -Investing commissions into real estate to build passive income -Building financial freedom -Crushing it at your sales role -Value of constantly be learning, taking action, and increasing you earnings -Guest suggestions for future episodes   Contact Chris at  LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/chrisfreeman Facebook: facebook.com/chris.freeman.9461 www.hightechfreedom.com

Director of Modern Worship Chris Freeman offers his perspective on loving God and your emotional health, the joys and frustrations of church work, and the power of music, spiritual practice, and Gospel-oriented inclusion.

Bailey and Tyler are back with another episode of The All Punked Up Podcast. Episode 39 sees the boys sharing their thoughts on newly released music this week from Lil Lotus ft. Chrissy Costanza, as well as music from All Time Low, As It Is, Turnstile and The Maine.As for news this week: remember that Hot Mulligan track called “Featuring Mark Hoppus” that didn't actually feature Mark Hoppus? Well, Mark Hoppus has responded and talked with Hot Mulligan guitarist Chris Freeman. Is an actual collab now in the works?The crew also discusses how it may be a time to rejoice, because it sure seems like touring is back. Plus, TikTok Radio is about to be a thing? Will this new SiriusXM channel be a good move or a bad move for the satellite radio company?Want to hear the new music we discussed this week? We've got them here: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/703qte0myFr6bmwHkglJob?si=05a86949803447c0Sign-up for our weekly newsletter!http://allpunkedup.com/subscribeSupport the show

Chris Freeman is the bassist for Pansy Division, the first openly gay rock band featuring predominantly gay musicians. This episode highlights his 30+ year journey in music, including a groundbreaking tour with Green Day.The Guest:Chris Freeman - www.pansydivision.comContact the Host:Michael Carmona - production@carmonasound.comProduction Co. Website: www.carmonasound.comAdditional Dialogue Editing:Jen Carmona

In this episode, In this episode, Leah Colucci, AAEM/RSA Medical Student Council Vice President and Bryan Redmond, AAEM/RSA Medical Student Council Northeast Regional Representative interview East Coast Program Directors: Mark Supino, MD and Chris Freeman, MD from Jackson Health EM; Ryan Bodkin, MD MBA from the University of Rochester School of Medicine and Dentistry; Manish Garg, MD FAAEM from New York Presbyterian Weil Cornell Medical Center; Robyn Hoelle, MD FACEP and Tami Vega, MD FACEP from North Florida Regional Medical Center.

We preview today's primary elections.Then, in celebration of Women's History Month, we meet with two prominent women from the Department of Archives and HistoryPlus, an airbag recall could affect 100,000 Mississippi vehicles. How to know if yours needs to be replaced.Segment 1:Today, Mississippi joins five other states in what is being called Big Tuesday - a day of primary elections that will help shape local national races. Voters in Mississippi will have the ability to vote in either the Republican or Democratic primaries in races determining the two major parties' candidates for president, senator, and all four house seats. Lucien Smith is Chairman for the Mississippi GOP. He tells our Kobee Vance he estimates a good turnout of Republican voters.The race for the Democratic nominee for President has been hotly contested. A field of over 20 active campaigns has been whittled down to three - former Vice President Joe Biden, Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, and Hawaii Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard. Mississippi Democratic Party Chairman Bobby Moak thinks the candidates at the top of the ticket will motivate voters to turn out at the polls. But, as he tells our Kobee Vance, spring break could have some effect.Segment 2:The year 2020 marks the 100th anniversary of the ratification of the 19th amendment - granting women in the United States the right to vote. The Mississippi Department of History is honoring the role of women and the suffrage movement with a variety of programs this year, including its newest exhibition. We meet with Pam Junior, Director of the Two Mississippi Museums and Katie Blount, Director of the Department of Archives and History to discuss women, history, and leadership in Mississippi.Segment 3:More than 100,000 vehicles in Mississippi have unrepaired, recalled airbags. In a crash, defective airbags could rupture, spraying sharp, metal fragments that can cause injury or death. The National Safety Council's "Check To Protect" program urges all drivers to make safety a priority by checking their vehicles, and getting their defective airbags repaired immediately. Chris Freeman is the airbag recall campaign manager for Fiat Chrysler. He tells our Michael Guidry, how recalled airbags can be hazardous to Mississippi drivers. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Guests: Brandon Hays: @tehviking | Blog Chris Freeman: @15lettermax In this episode, former Fronsiders, Brandon Hays and Chris Freeman join Charles and Taras to talk about the difference between a framework and a library, whether or not React + Redux a framework in itself, red flags to signal that you're actually building a framework, attributes of a good framework, how can you tell if you created a bad framework, and how you can make a bad framework better. Resources: Test Sizes by Simon Stewart This show was produced by Mandy Moore, aka @therubyrep of DevReps, LLC. ** Transcript:** CHARLES: Hello everybody and welcome to The Frontside Podcast. My name is Charles. I'm a developer here at Frontside and today, we're going to be talking about the things that go into making a JavaScript framework. Because, hey, there's not enough of those in the world today, so we're going to talk about that and with me is Taras. TARAS: Hello, hello. CHARLES: And we've got two very special guests, who have a lot of experience with this topic. Mr Chris Freeman and Brandon Hays. Hey, guys. CHRIS: Hi, there. BRANDON: Hi, there. We're talking about the poofberry framework, right? CHARLES: What's a poofberry? BRANDON: There's a tweet that's going around right now that one of them says, "I don't know what I should be doing," and the next person says, "Oh, just use poofberry." What is that? It's like fluffnuts but the [inaudible]. Hey, dot, dot, dot. Then, it integrates with log bungler. CHARLES: There's a reason that I'm dying laughing. BRANDON: It's so true. CHARLES: It's so true, laugh, cry, laugh, cry. Let's start with kind of a very basic assessment here. Because there's a lot of different things that you can use to compose the applications that you build but for some reason, some of these things are grouped and considered as libraries and some of them are considered frameworks. I don't know that the boundary is very clear like I'll know it when I see it type thing. Maybe, we can start with what is the difference between a framework and a library? CHRIS: I have some thoughts of these. I feel like this is one of those questions that could easily just turn into an infinite bike-shed but I remember reading something a while ago that stuck with me for a long time. I'm pretty sure it's related to Java but that makes sense because if anyone is going to talking about frameworks, it's Java developers. But it was saying that the difference between a library and a framework is inversion of control and the idea is a thing that's a library is a thing where you are in control. You bring the library code into your code and it's up to you what you do with it. In a framework, the framework code calls you as I think what it said. It's like, you call the library code, the framework code calls you and -- CHARLES: In Soviet framework. CHRIS: Yeah, exactly. A framework says, "Here are a bunch of open spaces for you to put your code in and I will take care of the rest," versus a library is just like... I don't know, "Here's some things that you can use. It's up to you. What do you want to do with them?" CHARLES: Right, so in kind of like [inaudible], that would be basically, a framework would be the thing that's got the main method. I think the same thing in JavaScript and when you call it, does it actually implement the main method. In JavaScript, it'll probably like in node. Under that definition, it would be like, "Are you the main scripts when you invoke node? Do you control the main script?" If you were doing your own command line parsing, for example, you're looking at the process.rb and pulling off the command lines and doing all the things but even if you're using something like Yargs or option parser in Ruby, that's more of like a framework. I guess Yargs is a library because you're still implementing the script. You're instantiating the Yargs thing. TARAS: React calls render to figure out what to convert to DOM. Does that make React the framework? CHARLES: I think React as a library. That's a good question. What's the equivalent of the main method on the web? CHRIS: I think there's a very clear distinction, especially if you look at React versus something like Ember and I'm sure Angular does this as well. In React, by default, to build a React thing, you're going to pull in React, you may write some components, you may import them elsewhere but the main method is that you have an index.html with some div in it and you are the one that has to call ReactDOM.render and you pass it like document.query selector or whatever and then, your top level component and that can be as simple as complicated as you like or you can have a webpack plugin do it or whatever else. But the onus is on you to actually take that React app and get it starting up on the page versus Ember, it's like, "There's an index.html. It's fully wired up." There is one point where you sit down and say, "Start my program here," like Ember abstracted all that away. To me, that's the main method for a frontend application. CHARLES: Right and if you actually look at something that Ember generates, then look at index.html, they generate a script tag for you that instantiate your application and mounts it on an element. If you want to change that element, that's actually a configuration option that you can change but it still a configuration option that's consumed by the framework. In that sense, there is that inversion of control. I see what you mean like in React, you're the one who flicks off the first domino, like who's the prime mover. Is it you or is it the framework that knocks over the first domino? BRANDON: I like Chris's explanation and I think it's elegant to say because I was thinking in terms of structure. If it imposes a structure on you but really, the structure is there, it's like one of those Ikea shelf systems for you to put stuff into. If you're trying to solve a problem, here's a shelving system for you to put stuff into, whereas a library is just the tool that you might get out to put something together. Something that's multi-purpose but doesn't impose any structure on you or a ton of structure on you. My question is what's the usefulness of distinguishing between the two? TARAS: I think what's interesting and I had experienced this in a last couple of projects is that people, especially React when they kind of assume, because a lot of people entering to React not understanding the context within which React emerged and so, they're getting into React assuming that it has everything you need to build application that you need to build. A lot of them haven't necessarily built a single page application from scratch before and so, the jump into building something with React and then, it takes about a year for them to realize the full scope of all of the features that their application actually has and then, they kind of take a retroactive look and look like, "Okay, what do I have now?" and what emerges is that they've actually over the last year, they may be creating a framework without realizing that this is actually happening. CHARLES: They've imposed the structure of saying, "Here's the shelving system. Books about geography go here. Books on English literature go there and so on and so forth." BRANDON: But when you rolled your own framework, that's not how it goes. It's like, "You have to launch this balloon into the stratosphere to put a book on the shelf from geology." Taras, to your point, it sounds like the importance is setting expectations properly for people, so that they know what they're in for because kind of calling back to Ryan Florence's post a few years ago, you can't not have a framework. At some point, you will have a framework in order to ship something. I would actually take it one step further. My friend, Kyle talks about this that library is the smallest unit that you're working within a framework but that still doesn't take your code to production and put it in a debugable state. You need a platform. It's arguable, if you're handling deployment tasks and debugging tasks and operating software in production, you now have a platform and it's fair to say that Rails crossed that threshold at one point. It's fair to say that Ember has probably crossed that threshold, if you combine Ember with CLI deploy and the CLI tooling and all of that stuff. This almost like acts as a platform if you're owning and maintaining the software in production. CHARLES: Now, can I play devil's advocate here and say, the platform, is that necessarily predicated on a framework? Is there a pyramid where it goes library, framework, platform and one is built on top of the other? Why couldn't I have a library? Because what I'm hearing is the scope of concerns is just rendering HTML based on a state is a very small chunk. The actual scope of things that you need to do to get that code in production and have it be reliable and do all of the features that you want to do is just massive but why is that predicated on a framework? For example, one thing you have is a bunch of libraries out there, like routing for managing the title tag, managing all these things that you have to do for managing deployment, for building your application, for compressing it. There's all these different libraries out there. What if there was one massive library that just picked a bunch of other libraries but I was still in control? TARAS: I've actually seen this happen in the last of the projects. When people jump into building, they will eventually realize that they're building a platform but what happens before that is that they take user's requirements and they break those up by sections and then they assign them to a bunch of development teams who go and actually start to build. On one platform, they end up building five or six or 10 of siloed, packaged applications that have, in some cases, have their own dependencies, they have similar architecture, might not have similar architecture. Each team kind of implements thing differently and there's an expectation that once you package these things as npm and then you install them into one package, to one application when you run build, it's just going to work together. That's where I think, with the framework, it does create a foundation for these verticals to be implemented using kind of common foundation. This is what a lot of times that as if you don't realize that what you're trying to set out to build, the way that the projects get managed quite often, especially for big applications, for big platforms is that, it creates this period of about two years, where there's a lot of confusion and there's a lot of duplication and then, you end up seeing code that it's hard to put in production. CHARLES: Yeah, I agree. I'm curious then, because we'd started out talking about library and framework and talked about it takes two years to recognize that you're building a framework or you're building not a framework but a platform. Brandon, you said something very interesting. Rails for example, crossed the threshold of being more than a framework and actually, being a platform. What are the concerns of a platform that are beyond a framework? We talked about and using the kind of loose definition of a framework as being something where the framework create spaces for your code, to run your code so you can just take little dollops of code and they have one concern but the framework manages the coordination of the concerns but what's the next level? BRANDON: For the purposes of this conversation, I may have muddied the waters a little bit because I think it's more interesting to talk about the transition and the level of which you've crossed the threshold from being a library or using libraries or collecting libraries, into maintaining a framework because it's where you're going to experience more pain more than likely, than to me, the idea from works on my machine, to deployed and supported across a lot of users, it sounds like it's more interesting but it's not where we experience most of our pain actually. From my experience, maintaining frontend single page applications most of the pain is actually getting the damn thing to work on your machine and getting the libraries to collectively work together and then, getting that to production, it kind of enters back into an area of more known unknowns. I think that's a surprisingly a more mature ecosystem, still getting from this thing works on my machine to getting it out the door. That wasn't true when Rails was invented and so, Rails had to invent a lot of its own ecosystem around this stuff. Like I said, I don't want to muddy the waters too much. I think to me, the interesting question is how do you know you've crossed this threshold? What pain points are exposed when you start crossing that threshold or when you're pushing the boundaries of that threshold? Because you should not be using a framework if you're using React to do a select dropdown. I think of it as, if you're using it the way to replace something you might do with a jQuery plugin five or 10 years ago, you're using React like it's a library. One of the questions that you brought up was is the combination of React and Redux is a framework and I would argue that it is but I kind of want to throw that out -- CHRIS: Oh, interesting. CHARLES: I would say, it's two libraries stuck together to make a bigger library. It's like a monolithic library. BRANDON: But by the time you're actually using that to do anything, maybe the third thing in there is like transitioning states when you transition routes. At what point is that threshold crossed? I didn't build most of the software that led me to some of the opinions that I have about this. This was actually Chris Freeman's, though. I may defer to you on this. CHRIS: I think React + Redux constitutes if you look at what it does. You have like this view layer and this state layer. There's a set of opinions on there that is useful and there is the foundation for doing quite a bit but in my experience, you've already kind of alluded to this a little bit. I don't think it's a framework because as soon as you start using those two things, suddenly the next thing you hit is, "Wait. How do I handle asynchronous things?" There's a lot of different options for that. "Oh, now, I need to do routing. How do I incorporate routing into my React app but also in a way, that is amenable to state transitions in Redux but also, that is aware of the async stuff that I'm doing, that is going to possibly be triggered by my routes and by my Redux actions or by some other side of things?" Suddenly, you are very quickly pulling out a bunch of other libraries but also, probably starting to build abstractions on top of them because you're already finding a lot of common patterns that you're repeating over and over as you incorporate more and more pieces of the stack and then, you're writing a lot of glue code. I think that's the point where suddenly, you look back and behind you is the footsteps of this framework that's been walking alongside you the whole time. BRANDON: That is where I carried you, then dropped you, then sort of drowned you. CHRIS: Yeah. CHARLES: And then, kicked your core. TARAS: I'd like to suggest a way to think about this. As you guys are talking about, it kind of occurred to me is that it seems to me that libraries concentrate on how and frameworks focus on the 'what.' CHRIS: Oh, I love that. TARAS: Because if you think about for example, React is how geostack efficiently update DOM, then Redux is how do you wire together state across multiple components that might be in different parts of state tree and if you look at, for example, a React router or a kind of a routing component is how do you choose which components you want to render when you navigates specific URL. Because those things by themselves are not a complete solution but when you combine them together, what you get is you have a way of saying, "When I navigate to specific URL, I'm going to load specific data, provide that data to components and then, I would have a way to navigate through a different URL when you click on a link." From that, I think what happens when you get to the framework level is you actually have a kind of a bigger umbrella and under that umbrella, you have ways to address problems that you did not have previously. I think that's what framework does it is over time, it's a way of addressing concerns that cannot be addressed with a solution. They have to address with a collection of solutions and then, they provide a specific solution. I don't know if that's -- CHARLES: That actually sparked off a train of thought in my mind that perhaps what you really want to do is say, "I'm going to go a little bit like Lisp on you all," in the sense of every code at some point is data, that maybe every library, at some point is a framework. It's just that you can look and say, "What is the scope of the 'what' that I'm tackling." For some point, you can say like React is a framework. It creates this space where I can put my JSx, AKA the render function and I'm basically inverting control and so, what it is, it is a framework for efficiently rendering HTML or efficiently mapping an object to a fragment of DOM and then the DOM that gets generated from your render function, patching that into the HTML. You don't have to worry about that. There's that inversion of control. It creates that space but that's the only space that it creates. From that perspective, React is a framework for generating HTML but that's all it is but it is a library for constructing applications. Does that make any sense? I think as you layer on concerns, your framework create spaces for you. You use your library code to put stuff in and so, in the same way, I think one of the key realizations, I'm going to call up like BigTest and I'm not going to take credit for this, which is actually a blog post that I read at Google. I can't remember what it is but we'll link to it in the show notes where he said, "There are no such thing as unit tests. There are no such thing as acceptance tests. There are just tests of varying scope." They're all acceptance tests. To use that one thing, they're all experiments. It's just what is the scope of the test that you're trying to accomplish and his argument was we want to make that scope as big as possible by default and then, where appropriate, you narrow down. Maybe, the framework library distinction is a little bit constructed, kind of a construction of our own minds and what really is there, there's just frameworks of varying scope. BRANDON: Agreeing on a shared scope is actually probably the most important part of this conversation. We're referring to building end-to-end an application from data access to rendering to testing -- CHARLES: To deployment to routing. BRANDON: Yeah. CHARLES: To one day accessibility. BRANDON: Yeah. Adding that into the discussion is like a baseline of what constitutes an application. It's the percentage of people that are able to actually use it, the people that are locked out from using it by ability. That's a very useful frame for the discussion. Let's agree on the scope of what an application is and then, coming back to what Taras was saying is basically, when you're talking about the 'how,' that's a decision point. You hear a lot of people talk about decision fatigue in JavaScript and it's almost a played out trope at this point but it hasn't gone away as a problem, so what frameworks are doing is they're making a series of decisions for you that allow you to basically connect the pieces from end to end. Basically, somebody threw a rope bridge across the canyon and it doesn't have to be the best solution to get end to end but we have to solve the problem end to end. If we agree on the places end to end and the problem is when you're building your own series of libraries, you're like, "I'm going to choose best in class of A, best in class of B, best in class of C," and that sounds really good but if you're trying to build a bridge across a canyon and you're building in 10 best of class sections, for the type of connection we're trying to make here in the middle, we're going to use the best in class here. The weak point is in the connections, so you had better be the world's foremost engineer if you're going to be the person connecting all these disparate pieces that are each best in class, in order to bridge this canyon. That's the thing that's interesting to me and it's not even agreed in our industry that JavaScript-based web applications are a good thing or that the browser is web application runtime, those are things that are up for debate. But I think if we make that assumption, this is sort of the founding principle of where Ember came from and it executed to the best of its ability at the time and that philosophy is, I think you can prove it out in terms of results based on if you have two different applications, one of them is built by somebody trying to jam together best in class components and the other person is starting with an end to end solution with a community of people rallied around that solution. It's been interesting to watch those approaches play out over time. I know Chris has a very specific hands-on experience of having done both of these. I'm curious to get your hot take. CHRIS: There's actually a concept that I think about a lot in relation to this question. It's something that I actually heard come up again recently so the timing was great but it's called hypocognition. The idea is hypocognition is when you either just like can't see or can't understand some kind of cognitive representation of something because you don't have the words for it. An example is in Western cultures, especially like in English speaking cultures, there are not that many words for the color blue but in a lot of other cultures, they have many, many words for the color blue. After doing a big study they found that these English speakers actually have a harder time recognizing different shades of blue, like more of them just look the same versus other cultures where their brains are actually wired to see all this variety because they actually have the linguistic representations for these ideas already. When you were talking about maybe a library is a framework at some point, I think that's right on. I think one of the things that I think about a lot when talking about frameworks and seeing these debates happen on the internet about, "What is a framework?" but also like, "Do you even need a framework?" is obviously, there's a lot of people who absolutely... Like Ryan Florence. Ryan Florence clearly knows what a framework is. He knows what it takes to build a web application and he does not lack the words to define a framework versus a library. He's just made that choice and it's a very informed choice but I wonder if there's also a lot of people who are getting into web development for the first time and they look at something like a framework and it seems just absurd to anyone would want all of the things that like in Ember or in Angular is talking about, when they can make a basic UI with React and it's easy and fun and really cool. But then this two-year path happens and they look back and they've learned a whole bunch and now it's like, "Ooh, you couldn't even have explained this to me before," because all of the words would have fallen on deaf ears but now suddenly, it makes a staggering amount of sense. CHARLES: Right. I love that. BRANDON: You have to make a bad one. CHARLES: Just so that you can inherit the vocabulary to understand why you made a bad one. Now, you guys actually have some experience with this. Brandon, you gave a talk about it, which I think you should give more widely because it's fantastic but for those folks who may or may not be aware that they are walking this to your path, I want to talk first about what are the signs that you're walking along this path and then two, what are the consequences in terms of the cost you're paying for walking this path. Let's start with that first thing. What are the signs? How can you tell that I am building a framework? CHRIS: I think one of the telltale signs and one of the biggest red flags that caused me and Brandon to have a very serious heart to heart about our own personal framework was when we hit the point where you could look at a set of tickets for features and all you saw was 'framework features' that you needed to write before you could build the feature itself. You know like, "Oh, we have basic routing setting and we have it set up so that if you have a route transition and you would like a data request to happen when a certain route transition happens, that will happen," but then someone would like infinite scroll and we want to use a query param. When a query param changes, I want to update the query and fetch more records, except that the glue code that we wrote to tie our router to our redux async stuff is not aware of query params. It has no concept of what a query param is or what to do when it changes. Also, it has no concept of refetching the data without a full route transition, so what do we do, this person wants infinite scroll but I first have to implement several layers of framework code before I build the UI feature that you want? CHARLES: The basic heuristic there is ratio of direct feature code to code that supports the direct feature code and code that supports the code that supports direct feature code. It's anytime you're anywhere above that first layer on the stack. CHRIS: Yeah, I think Taras nailed it like what's the 'what' versus the 'how.' If you're asked a question that is concerned with the 'what' and you spend more time focused on the 'how,' then you might have a framework. BRANDON: I think people will think of building an application like a recipe. If you think of it in those terms, people think of frameworks as very restrictive but I'm a big fan of Blue Apron, a sponsor of this podcast. Thank you. They pre-select the ingredients and they give you the instructions and you know what to do, you still have to do the effort but you know if you connect these pieces together properly that you're going to wind up having a good experience and then, it gives you a lot of freedom to experiment and be creative beyond that, should you choose to. I think one of the signs that you've done a crummy job is that you're staring down, like Chris Freeman said, you actually starting to restrict your choices like, "I can't actually build you that feature because we don't have time to take on the amount of work necessary to build the support structure, to build you that feature," or if you find yourself writing a test framework. CHRIS: Oh, yeah we did that too. BRANDON: You know, we were real deep in this. There are developers that are like, "I really want to feel like I'm walking into a grocery store and selecting all the things necessary for my recipe," and so it really depends on what the problem actually is. If you're working at a giant megacorp and you have a two-year timeline to deliver something and their goals are not about delivering stuff on a tight turnaround, that's usually a recipe for a software failure anyway but let's say, that you're in the 5% of those types of projects that's going to succeed, that might be a good place where you can say, "What we're trying to do here is so custom and we have such a long lead time and a long leash and such a high level of internal expertise here that we should be shopping in the grocery store and we should be selecting all these things and we should be solving these problems." Basically, when is it time to use a framework? Well, when you don't have 10 times the time you think you do, when you don't have the ability to spend 80% to 90% of your time in the first three to four months of your project, maybe six months, debugging you're glue code in between the different libraries that you're gluing together and then coming back and realizing that you've painted yourself into a corner and you have to re-architect your whole framework, then you could be so proud of this baby, 18 months to two years from now, when you actually have delivered both a framework that took about 70% of your time and an application that took 25% or 30% of your time. CHARLES: Yeah. I think it's important to realize that people think we'll do it and we'll build it as we go but I want to call out right there, you will be spending 80% of your time and you have to be upfront about it. Of this two years, 18 months of it is going to be spent building this framework and six months of it is going to be spent actually writing the feature code and you have to be 75% of your tickets or your issues, whoever track the work, 75% of that has to be dedicated to the framework. BRANDON: If you're going to bake in that kind of overhead purely for the satisfaction of a single or one or two developers that like inventing things, that is literally the worst possible reason you could do that. That is almost like a guaranteed recipe for failure. It has to be for some other business reason like, "We want to be the company that owns this." There has to be business value attached in making that kind of investment. If you can't justify that at the outset, then you should probably just go ahead and lean on an existing framework and join a community of people. CHARLES: Yeah and I think one good litmus test for that is, "Is this a 'what' for which there is currently no 'how?' One of the reasons we're writing BigTest is because for the general JavaScript community, there are a number of acceptance test frameworks out there but the market is very, very limited. When we look to actually acceptance tests, our React application, this thing does not exist. Now, we had experience with something that was very like Ember specific and so, we kind of knew what the 'what' was, we experienced the 'what' but there was no 'how' for our current situation. That's like a place where you might be called upon where makes business sense to actually invest in a framework. I'll tell you another thing too is if you have made the decision to kind of follow the beaten path on the other areas, then when a framework is called for, you have the bandwidth. You've allowed for the buffer, for the margin, for you to write in with that framework, whereas if you're already just by default, maintaining all the glue code in every single thing, then if some unique 'what' comes along, for which there is no 'how,' you're not going to have a bandwidth to tackle it. BRANDON: Yeah. That's a real bad situation to be in. TARAS: There's something else that I find interesting is because there's a certain point, like this two-year mark where everyone's like, "We want to fix this now." I think what is interesting what comes next which is the three years of undoing all the stuff that you made because the biggest challenge, especially in really big projects. When your projects has to borderline into platforms and a platform threshold is when you have a multiple teams working separately to write separate modules that run, maybe in a separate Git repo and maybe, packaged in separate npm package and assembled together. Then what happens at that point, the question arises like how do you actually make this changes in this environment. Answering that question is actually really difficult. I think if you look at frameworks like Ember, Ember has made it their business to figure out exactly how to make this happen and I think they've done it really well but it's a really challenging endeavor, especially in incorporate environments where they don't have an update. You have like upgrades are like a curse. It's like a thing that you don't really want to ever do and because most quite often, they don't have the right testing habits in place to be able to support the change if necessary. I think what a lot of times happens is that the team that made the framework in the first place, they end up trying to maintain a fort but you won't have like 10 people and they only have machetes, you know? All you can do is run around and try to chop down little twigs but at the end of day, the trees is still going to keep growing. I think that's the really challenging part of being two years into a project, where you realize that you actually need something much more comprehensive than initially thought you needed. CHARLES: On that, assuming that you have decided that you are going to make a framework, it's a good business decision for you. Based on the criteria of this discussion, how can you assess whether it's good? Chris, you talked about needing to integrate query params with routing and asynchronous data loading and making sure all of that coordination happened and worked together easily. What's the difference between your framework just missing features kind of having holes in it that can be filled in, versus something that's not good and it's going to cost you lots of money down the road. CHRIS: Yeah. TARAS: One thing, if you look at what makes a good library of any kind, it tends to be like how effectively and how much words to take the address the use cases that you need. The problem is that to build a good framework, you need to understand the use cases. This is what usually happens over time. Two years in, you've actually understood the use cases and now, it's time to change and so, I think if you want to build a good framework, you actually need to understand those use cases quite early on or account for understanding use cases over time and that's a big question -- how do you figure out how to know what you don't know. CHRIS: Yeah, I think that's exactly right. I think about what you were just saying Charles and Taras like one of the things that I think has a big impact on and what this process looks like is the completeness of vision for what's your project actually is. If you have a very, very clear idea of what the entire product you're building is going to be or, at least what the key money-making feature is going to be and you can understand the ins and outs of that, then I think that's the point where you can look at what you have and say, "Have I created a good or bad framework? Does this framework have the ability to solve this one very important thing that I have to be able to do? If the framework doesn't do it, then I need to build my own but I now know what very important features I need to front load my framework with." I kind of think of it as imagine that you're like Jeremiah Johnson, the Reverend Jeremiah Johnson and you're going to go trekking through the woods for some unknown amount of time and you have no idea yet. You don't actually know where you're going. You don't know what you're going to see. You don't even know what's out there because you haven't done the research or whatever and you need to be prepared for anything, so you bring just a hodgepodge of stuff. If that's you at the beginning of your company or the beginning of your product and yours is kind of like... I don't know, we got to get product market fit and that means that we may have to kind of pivot once or twice or we need to be very flexible, then I would think long and hard before you commit to writing your own framework because you don't even know what framework to build and you might as well take a broad array of tools and use what you need. There will be times where that's frustrating and there won't be exactly the right tool for the job but 80% of the time, it's going to do just fine but if you know you have to do this one very special thing and you know that a framework is going to give you a lot of stuff that you won't need and it doesn't really excel at the one thing you do need, then don't force the framework. There may be time to build your own but just know that you need to go in with a very clear idea of what you're doing before you start building the abstractions that constitute a framework, rather than just like a constellation of libraries. CHARLES: I have a question on that then. Going back to one of the things we were talking about like React plus Redux. Your opinion, Chris that it is not a framework, so the question is does a framework actually exist for React? CHRIS: My guess is that many frameworks exist for React. CHARLES: Is there a public framework? TARAS: There is one called Fusion but it's [inaudible] what you would have imagine. It is essentially Redux and React together conventionalized. They addressed a bunch of concerns around service rendering and such but it does exist. CHRIS: How about Next? Next.js? TARAS: I'm not familiar with its features from a single page application perspective. CHARLES: I think it does have a router. It does bundle with Redux and this is one of the things that when you first started using Redux, it's like, "How do I even get my store to my components?" Yes, I can connect them but there's actually a lot of stuff that you have to do. First, you have to say, "I'm going to put my reducers here and then when I create my store, I'm going to fold all my reducers. If I've got a whole bunch of reducers in my application, I've got to fold them all together. I've got to pass them off to the store. When I create the store, I have to inject the middleware and then, everybody else just imports my store and then, I have to put in a provider and then, I can connect my components." That's actually a lot of stuff that you have to do and I think that, for example, Fusion just says, "Put your reducers here and we'll take care of all that process," and so it makes that decision for you, right? It says, "For state management, you're going to use Redux. For your reducers, they're going to go here. For your actions, they're going to go here." I don't know exactly how it's laid out but I remember reading the ReadMe, it was basically layering conventions over that. That's definitely going into framework territory but that's the only one that I know of, which is really, really odd. TARAS: There's something interesting that's happening also and this goes to what Brandon was saying earlier is that choosing the best in class, there's this 10 things but then, what if one of the best in class stops being the best in class. The fact that the creators of Redux was essentially saying that we needed to basically provide a way to do Flux that was better than 10 different options that were available, so here's Redux. We've created Redux but we don't really think it's ultimately the solution. We need to have something else in React that provides a foundation for us to be able to deliver a better state management than what Redux is, so what happens when one of the best in class is no longer the best in class? The bridge is already standing. There's people walking across the bridge already. How do you replace one of the chains in it? CHRIS: Over the course of six months while you figure out the differences in API between Flux and Redux and all the custom route transition data loading stuff you did with your Ajax library in your state management software that you put in a case statement inside there that you now have to change over. It's easy. It's no big deal. Don't worry about it. BRANDON: Just a simple matter of programming. TARAS: At least 25 years of collective frontend development experience is laughing like hyenas about the simplicity of building a -- BRANDON: Yeah, I'm actually looking at some of the old code that Chris wrote for trying to glue together, Redux Saga. I've been out of the game long enough to not know whether that's been superseded by some new or best in class piece of technology and even then, it was really challenging. This is true for frameworks too, is they don't really optimize for best in class. They optimize, hopefully for best fit for purpose but the world has moved on since Ember launched obviously. A lot of things have changed and it's, at least as difficult to try to keep that up to date with evolving trends and technologies and updates for a core team at a framework level as it is for you, as an engineer on the team. The difference is you get to outsource that work to a core team for a framework. Ember has not done a fantastic job in keeping up with. They've done a good job and they've tried their best but if there were more people working on it or if there was more effort applied to it or if it was a higher priority, you would see Ember being a more up-to-date framework using more modern tools. As a framework author, if you stay too close to the bleeding edge, all you're going to do is change out your build system. You're going to replace a Broccoli with webpack, with Rollup, whatever's after that. What's new in Packer? CHRIS: Parcel? CHARLES: Parcel. BRANDON: Parcel. You should immediately go build your framework with that and have fun. I am excited by the new and interesting stuff that's happening in these ecosystems and I think it's important not to get lulled into the siren song if your goal is to actually ship a piece of software on a timetable or a budget. TARAS: One thing, if it's a red flag, if you think this is easy, if you think your decisions can be made in this isolation without talking to somebody else and actually kind of flashing it out, then you're probably doing something wrong because a lot of these things are not trivial. There's a lot of thought, there's a lot of considerations used to go into decisions that you make, especially when you're creating something that is going to be used by more than a few people. I think that's really one of those things where it's hard to know what you don't know but if you think you know and you haven't done this before, you haven't done this a few times before, you're probably missing some pieces. BRANDON: Yeah, I agree with that. CHRIS: I think one of the things that's really enticing about React and Taras, you just hit on it but I've never felt as clever as when I was writing a React app. If I'm clever, I mean, clever in the same way that I felt really clever when I wrote some unbelievably convoluted Scala one-liner that six months later, neither me nor anyone else could decipher what it meant but at that time, I felt like a god of programming. That's how it felt like, "Well, a lot of the React stuff is addicting." It felt so much fun. It was so much fun until I really had to do something and it mattered for my job and there was a deadline and people were depending on me and I've realized that the clever thing I had done a month later was not the right clever thing but I can see how, if you're like what Taras was saying, where you are at the point where these decisions are easy. These decisions make sense. We're going to be fine and you haven't done it enough to kind of like know where all of the pitfalls are. That cleverness that you feel is fantastic and I can see why it takes two years before you look back and if the cleverness was finally worn off and then, you're just mortified at what you've done. CHARLES: Pride cometh before the fall. CHRIS: Yeah. BRANDON: It's like being a dungeon master in Dungeons and Dragons, where you're like, "Oh, look at this fiendish world." All right, cool. Now, you actually live there though. I have to move into an apartment on Mordor. TARAS: You know what's the funny flipside to that is that coming from Ember world where it's so normal to leverage the work of other clever people, like really smart people who've invested a lot of time to solve a particular problem, is that there's no stronger sense of being dumb than having to write it from scratch in React. That first feeling of like, "I've actually never had to implement this from scratch," and I feel like a bunch of applications before but because I've leaned on for accessibility, I've leaned on something that someone else has done and it worked really well for me and it was perfect. But now, I need to implement autocomplete from scratch in React and I have no support. I'm basically learning as I'm going on this and it's that sense of discomfort that you get from having to do it from scratch and then, comes the euphoria of having to figure it out. But if you figured it out, you figured it out in the last month. You've written it for the first time in the last month and you now understand what all the things that the Ember implementation does for you. It's an interesting psychology of doing this -- CHARLES: Yeah, it gives you a lot of perspective but you have to ask as a business owner, who may or may not be technical and this is the hardest thing for technical people who are business owners is to be able to not see things through a tactical lens. Is what you really want to pay for is to basically give your programmers this kind of a-ha moment of their own shortcomings because that what you want to be buying. BRANDON: Yeah, you want to maximize leverage. Your goal with technology is to maximize leverage. It's like being hired as a chef and you walk in and then you're like, "I'm a terrific chef. I worked in these fancy kitchens in New York and I'm known as a great chef," and they're like, "Okay, cool. Here's some flint and steel and a spear." CHARLES: Go hunt. BRANDON: You're like, "Wait, what?" Yeah, yeah, yeah. Show me what you can do. TARAS: We had a conversation in one of the previous podcast with Michael Jackson and we asked him, "What is the one thing you wish like React community would do more of?" and he's like, "I really wish React community have more conventions." All of this is to kind of say as like, there is a place for frameworks in React world. There's a very strong place for it. The question is how and what it said and how do you actually build it and when do you --? BRANDON: So we need a framework for making framework. TARAS: Getting really meta here. BRANDON: I totally agree with that and that's a great observation and that was actually the point of my talk as well, which is if I could convince people just to use Ember and improve Ember, that would be great because I think it's a really great starting point. But the React community is much larger because it had such a great adoption story. The adoption of Ember was very difficult and the adoption of React was very easy and it expanded to include the scope of full end to end applications in terms of what people thought the problem spaces they were thinking of with React. Ember was built to solve that but it was hard to get into. React was really easy to get into but it's actually hard to build applications with. I would love to see a dedicated subset of the React community, except the idea of shared solutions and the philosophies that made Ember into sort of a powerhouse of value delivery but built out of tools that satisfy the React community and a little more modular and a little more available for people to customize and built in that ecosystem. I'd really love to see that that included all of the main components of what we accept as, "This is an application framework. It handles testing. It handles accessibility. It handles data loading," and it doesn't have to be best in class in every scenario but it does have to be a reasonable bridge across that chasm and have a group of people look at this the same way. I would love to see a collective subset of the React community dedicate themselves to this idea. I don't know if that's too culturally opposed or even orthogonal to what the value system inside the React community. I haven't been able to fish that out but I would really love to see that emerge. this is something I would love to push for and I'd love to see other people jump in and push for as like, "What if 20 of us got together and decided we're all building our applications in similar ways, instead of one person saying, 'I'm going to use --'" Even create React app is kind of a Band-Aid on that, it isn't useful past a certain stage of life. I would love to see a group of people, though, get together that are sort of like-minded like that, the Michael Jacksons and maybe even Dan Abramov or a group of people that shared that set of values or came into React from the Ember community. That's actually one piece of advice I would give to people. You said, "How do you convince this engineer that they've built a bad framework?" Use a decent one. That's the biggest guide. Use a decent one. Build something in Ember and ship it to production and go, "Oh, I get it." If you've used a good framework, you can't go back to rolling a crappy one. Your standards have been ratcheted up. CHRIS: I wholeheartedly agree that you should try something else and Ember is a great option but I don't want to dismiss just like, "React is cool as hell," and there's a lot of stuff in React that's really, really awesome and things that I wish that will show up in Ember and they are starting to show up in Ember but they're taking a while and it'll be nice in there but who knows when that will be but I would encourage even more so is both sides, like Ember folks who are listening to this podcast, if you have never messed around with React because you feel some kind of tribal affiliation that you can't betray, please set that aside and go do something in React because you will learn a lot about why Ember does what it does and you will see a lot of really interesting things that will probably jostle some ideas loose in your brain. The same thing goes for React developers. You, 100% should spend a weekend building something in Ember and nothing about that means that you have to switch or it's going to change the path that you're going on at work but I guarantee you, you will go back to your React application with some new and fair useful perspective that you didn't have before and that's okay. That's great. There's no identity crisis that will come about as a result of that. CHARLES: That is a fantastic advice, Chris. It will only stretch you. CHRIS: Yeah. BRANDON: I think developers have been sold this idea of a competitive landscape by authors of these frameworks because it helps sell the framework. You can build and strengthen a community by leaning into the tribalism that can surround the usage of a tool. The older I've gotten as a person who was deeply tribalistic about Ruby on Rails when I got into it and Ember when I got into it, because I love tribes, I think tribes are awesome and it's a way to make friends but when you really lean into that, the costs are too high and experimenting with other technologies and noticing flaws in your own technology is not only not a betrayal, it's actually critical to your growth as a developer. The more people that do that, like Chris was saying, the better both of those ecosystems will get. CHARLES: Absolutely because having spent as much time in React as I have, I really appreciate the precious things about Ember. It will make you appreciate the things that you hold dear. It will make you appreciate the really, really, really special things about the tool that you're using and at the same time, it will highlight the weaknesses which you can immediately use to feedback and make your tool better. It really is a win-win situation. TARAS: I just want to do a little plug before we close up. I think the feels of working with Ember is actually gone into microstates and we're still getting our things together to make microstates look accessible and usable by everyone but that feeling of pleasure that you get from working with Ember and just things just being there for you, like we really want to reproduce that and make that available in React community and the stuff that we do in microstates is actually really designed for that. CHRIS: Yeah, I see that in BigTest too as well. That's definitely another place where it's like, "These people definitely used to spend time in Ember and they're now in React-land." It's cool to see that stuff getting ported over. CHARLES: Absolutely because it fundamentally changes your taste. Working with an application that doesn't have like a bolted on testing framework is like eating water soup. You just can't enjoy your life. It really is flavored everything that we do. On that note, we can go ahead and wrap up. There actually is some pretty exciting news. We're actually going to be launching a BigTest launcher. Up until this point, you kind of had to roll your own using BigTest for your assertions but using something like Karma to actually launch the browsers and we're actually launching our own launcher. I guess we've written our own launcher and we're going to be pushing it to NDM, not to overload the word launch. You can look for that in the next couple of weeks. There's going to be a CLI that ships with BigTest to help you do even more set up, to make it so that you can just drop BigTest right into your application, whether it's jQuery, React, Ember, you name it. That should be really, really fun. Be looking for that and with that, if anybody has any other remarks... BRANDON: If people are coming through RubyConf this year, I'll be there talking about management stuff. That's my only near-future conference stuff coming up. Hope to see some of the more Ruby-flavored folks out there. CHARLES: All right-y. Definitely, go to every single talk that Brandon ever gives. You won't regret it. I can base that on very dear personal experience. You won't be disappointed. You know, not to put the pressure on or anything like that but you could never put any more pressure on Brandon than he puts on himself. With that, we will say good bye. Bye Chris, bye Brandon. Thank you so much. This is a great conversation. It certainly clarified a lot in my mind -- TARAS: Yes, same here. CHARLES: -- About these problems. With that, we will say goodbye. Thank you for listening The Frontside Podcast. Please get in touch with us at @TheFrontside on Twitter or contact at Frontside.io on email. We do a range of custom services from full stack project development to JavaScript mentoring, to as you go JavaScript help desks kind of stuff. If you need to reach out to an expert, please get in touch. 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