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Dr. Shanté Cofield, better known as The Movement Maestro, unpack what it really takes to build a business and life that actually feels good. From letting go of roles that no longer serve you to embracing lifestyle design over burnout, she shares the truth about why authenticity is the only sustainable strategy. Whether you're navigating a career shift, battling imposter syndrome, or tired of trying to be someone you're not, this episode will remind you that being yourself isn't just allowed—it's necessary.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. 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Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How the shift from PT to brand-builder was built on small steps.Why creating a lifestyle business is really about time and balance.How authenticity makes your work sustainable without constant struggle.Why confidence shows up only after you do the thing scared.How borrowing belief from mentors can carry you through doubt.Episode References/Links:The Movement Maestro - http://www.themovementmaestro.comDr. Shanté Cofield on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/themovementmaestroDr. Shanté Cofield on Threads - https://www.threads.com/@themovementmaestroJill Coleman Website - https://jillfit.comEp. 385 Danny-J Johnson & Jill Coleman - https://beitpod.com/ep385RockTape - https://www.rocktape.comGuest Bio:Dr. Shanté Cofield, widely known as The Movement Maestro, is a former physical therapist turned entrepreneur who has built a thriving career helping health and fitness professionals take their work online. She is the creator and host of Maestro on the Mic, a podcast with more than one million downloads, and the founder of The Movement Maestro LLC, a company dedicated to showing coaches and clinicians how to build authentic personal brands. Based in Southern California, Shanté is recognized for her vibrant teaching style, love of community, and unapologetic approach to living life on her own terms.With a background that blends over a decade in movement science and several years in online business strategy, she equips entrepreneurs to grow without losing sight of the lifestyle they want to create. Her work emphasizes sustainability over hustle, encouraging clients to pursue balance, authenticity, and freedom in their careers. 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:53  All right, Be It babe, get ready. This, this the word this comes up in this podcast so many times as a like, like, double tap, as a thumbs up, as like, high five as, I mean, if I could have done this in person, we would have been like, just high fiving each other the whole time. I am obsessed with this person, Shanté Cofield, the movement maestro, is our guest today, and someone who has impressed me from the moment I was introduced to her in so many freaking ways. And what I love is like I got to watch her on the outside looking in, and then I got to know her on the inside and still, just like we don't live in the same place. So just like watching from afar, and like being an Instagram friend, hopefully real life friend from afar, but then getting to talk to Shanté today and hear the journey that they've been on, the journey that they're still on, the way they make decisions. I'm so excited for you, because no matter if you run your own business, you work for someone, you are a human being, and you are going to hear so many things that it's going to help you be you, be more you. So much permission is going to be granted. And I hope this is an episode that you save and hit on replay, because I know I am, I know I can't even wait to listen to this again. And also, I hope that this allows you, if you don't know who Shanté is, I hope this helps you find them, follow them and and get more from them, because they will they have so much to teach. They're just inherent teachers. So Shanté Cofield, thank you so much in advance. You guys, here is the Be It Pod with Shanté Cofield, enjoy. Lesley Logan 2:23  All right, Be It babe. Get ready. This is gonna be amazing. I know that currently, Brad has no idea who I'm talking to, otherwise he'd be in this room. He'd be so jealous. He loves this person so much. So, Shanté Cofield, The Movement Maestro, here you are, finally.Shanté Cofield 2:39  Here I am. Thank you for having me on. Lesley Logan 2:40  Oh my god. Shanté Cofield 2:42  I'm excited. I'm actually legitimately excited to be on this positive podcast. I'm like, yeah, let's fucking do it. The energy. Lesley Logan 2:47  This is gonna be great. So here's the thing you guys, I met Shanté through Jill Coleman, who's been on the pod before. And one of the things that you might not well, you know this about yourself because it's what you teach people on but like, I see a recycling truck and I think of you.Shanté Cofield 3:01  As in knowable. And thank you for knowing it's a recycling truck, not the garbage truck. I don't like the garbage truck, it's a recycling truck.Lesley Logan 3:08  And so and then, you know, I was reading I was reading through your form and everything, and I was like, oh, she does have a bright green jeep. That's right, she does. So Shanté, if in case people don't know who you are, can you tell them who you are and what you rock at?Shanté Cofield 3:20  Yes, absolutely. Again, thank you for having me on and you, listening, thank you for being here. I, Shanté Cofield, I think more colloquially or now more commonly known as Maestro. I'm a physical therapist by trade, an entrepreneur by choice, and now I spend my days in Southern California, but try and make the monies I do online business coaching. So like Lesley had said, Jill Coleman is my business partner for one of the projects that we group coaching program that run together, but I help health and fitness pros run, build, grow, profitable. It's an important word there online personal brands. That is my niche, that is my zone of genius, largely using Instagram as their initial kind of top of funnel. Lesley Logan 4:00  Yeah. I mean, I think it's, I love that you had, like, by trade, and then by choice. I think a lot of people get stuck on the by trade, and they kind of don't choose.Shanté Cofield 4:09  Yeah, I'm like, go and do other things.Lesley Logan 4:12  How long ago did you do that, though? And, like, was it the scariest thing? Shanté Cofield 4:16  Totally. So I graduated from PT school in 2010 I did it for eight years, and during that time, kind of on the back end of that, I started working for a company called Rock Tape. So if any of you have seen any colorful tape that the athletes wear, Carrie Walsh really put, like kinesiology tape on the map. I started working for one of those companies, and I was a lead instructor, and I that's when I really found that I love teaching, and I literally traveled the world teaching for them. So, you know, growing up, I wanted to have a job that I could go on planes and I could stay in hotels. Why? I don't know. I don't know why I wanted that, but I did. And then I became a physical therapist, and I was like, well, that's not gonna really allow for that. And then I got that job, and I found myself traveling and teaching across the world, and I concurrently was building my personal brand. Kind of inadvertently building it, not even kind of, 100% inadvertently building a personal brand, as the Movement Maestro on Instagram, because I was like, I have stuff to say, and this is fun, and I'll connect with people. So I did. I practiced for eight years, and just towards the end of it, I was practicing less, and I was teaching more, very much, knowing that I would step back from from treating because I didn't really love it, but it's safe and it's a great first career, but you can't really, in my opinion, teach just from theory, like you have to be practicing still. And I was like, I don't even enjoy this. I don't really want to be doing this anymore. And so the pivot came in 2020 so I was doing things behind the scenes, kind of the online business stuff behind the scenes. I met Jill in 2019 and we linked up. But 2020, I was like, I am done with PT stuff. I'm done talking about it, coaching it, teaching it, working in that field. And then Covid was like, Okay, here you go. And the pivot was actually very easy, because I couldn't travel anymore. I (inaudible) online, and I just brought all of the kind of coaching business stuff that people have been asking me for, just about that front facing. Then stopped with the, the PT stuff. Lesley Logan 6:04  It's funny. Like, I think, you know, obviously 2020, was terrible for so many reasons, and, and also, like, you can't have bad without good. Like, that's a balance. And so, like, if you take advantage of of the the opportunity that it was there, which is like, oh, I can't like the the playground has said that this is the box. And if I, so, how can I be creative in that box? And we also met Jill in 2019 and then, because of a 30-minute talk she did, we like, did her notes, and then I like DM-ed her like, two months, and I was like, just so you know, thanks for what you did in someone else's thing. We did it, and we made $20,000. She's like, who are you? You know, but like, because of how things change, it really did a lend itself for people who wanted to make a big pivot. And I love that you took advantage of that. Shanté Cofield 6:54  100%. Lesley Logan 6:55  I think, like, people who hear that, though, when people work online, they think, oh, my God, you get to work for yourself. It's like the dream life. We're just all printing money. It's like the coffee shop, you guys. Shanté Cofield 7:05  Yes, printing money.Lesley Logan 7:08  You know, I think it's also easy for people to make a switch and then overwork themselves on something that I am so attracted to about you is that you don't do that. Shanté Cofield 7:16  No, I am 100% of the lifestyle business mindset. And mind you, lifestyle business doesn't mean like being a pauper. It's just like, what's the lifestyle that you want? And if you want some extravagant, you know, lifestyle, then you're gonna have to work and earn, you know, commensurate with that. But for me, it is the reason I do what I do and make any money, is so that I can live in the way that I want, you know, and I want to have a lot of time to do the stuff I want to do on a play guitar. I go to the beach a ton. Jill and I are really good balance in that way, because Jill loves the work. She loves it. She loves being in it. She loves the strategy. And I'm like, I'm going to go to the beach now. I'm going to go and play volleyball. I'm going to go downstairs and lift. I have a gym that we put in in the house. So it's like, yes, I have to make enough money that allows for that lifestyle, but the reason that I do things in my first choice will always be, I'm going to go out and live and do the fun activities or stay home and do the activities, as opposed to being like, work, work, work.Lesley Logan 8:12  So is that easy for you? Like, is that how you've always been? Like is it hard for people around you?Shanté Cofield 8:18  I think that it is, there's a definitely, I love you asked this question because I think it's super important when we're listening to people speak, and we're looking to take lessons from them and advice from them that we also realize where they are in life, like I'm 40, right? So it's not that if I would not be saying this if I was 20, right? So when I was 20, I was in I was in college, and then I immediately after that, I was in grad school, and then I was living in New York City, working a lot like, still very much, being like, I want this. I want to be able to do things on my own time. But knew that I couldn't. I was like, I have to work and I'm have no money, and I live in New York City. But that was definitely always the goal, whether I realized it or not, was this time, flexibility and being in control of my own time. So it is easy for me to do that now, and it's all that I want to do now, and I can actually afford to do that. And I'm able to do that because I'm not 20 I'm not 25 like I do think that there is a time in life when, like, you grind, right? The analogy I like to use is surfing, right? If I don't, first of all, I live by the ocean. I don't go in the water, but I understand it, right? Lesley Logan 9:22  I love you so much because I love the ocean. But I don't go usually I'm like, I don't like anything touching me that I can't see. Shanté Cofield 9:30  I could. I will look at it. I don't need to be up in the ocean. But I watch all the surfers there, and it's like, if you want to ride the wave, if you want to coast, you have to paddle out. You don't just end up out there on the wave and like, oh, look at me. Like, you have to, first of all, I don't watch people surfing like, this is like, so much work, and they're not going, like, under the waves, and that things are hitting them and the board is going backwards. There's a lot of work that gets put up, that gets done, gets front loaded, and then you're like, all right, cool. I can ride this wave and sit here. I can pick which wave I ride, but that's after all the work comes. So no, no, it's not a hard thing for me to decide to do now or live into now. But also, like, I'm 40, I'm not 25.Lesley Logan 10:10  I actually, that's so funny. You know, you have the idea people think that, like, people are served are just like, easy going, like they're just like, actually, like, they're the most organized, hard working folks I've ever met, because they're like, they know when the waves are going to be great. They work there. They schedule everything around that. They work really hard. Like, I went to a yoga teacher who was like, so zen, so chill. He taught at 5 am then he was out riding the waves, and he taught again at 9 am he would like.Shanté Cofield 10:37  This, absolutely, absolutely.Lesley Logan 10:40  But I want to see them, like, hanging loose, or what a hanging 10, and they're like, oh, but they have they're chill. It's like, actually. So that's such a beautiful analogy. I think it's really fun. I always tell people like, when I'm doing interviews, like, why I'm 42 because I think, like, you do have to say, like, it. I can say this and I can work my schedule really does my work schedule really is only nine to four, because when I was 30, this was six to seven.Shanté Cofield 11:06  (inaudible) like, I need you to understand that folks that like that is how it works. Like, in general, I love that you typed into that with with surfers. And one thing I think about with that is that form allows for flow right where, like, yeah, he has a schedule and he has, like, this times, and like, yes, we are dictated by, like, what weather is doing, right? And that allows for me to be able to, like, go with the flow, because I had these things, whether that's like in a time, like a looking across a timeline that I did these things first, or I'm looking at within my day, and it's like, okay, I structured this, this and this, so that I can just be chill, going with the flow, if you will, during these other times. Absolutely. Lesley Logan 11:41  Yeah, but is it? Is it easy for the people around you? Because I know, like, I like, I have learned this is when I'm creative. This is when I can actually do the best coaching. If I miss this opportunity, we're not even posting because it doesn't, it's not even gonna work for me. Like, I just, you know, I love about and, like, there are other people like, oh, you're like, like, I feel like you're you're so cold. Like, I'm not cold. 6am to 9am is my time. You cannot be in my time.Shanté Cofield 12:04  No, no one has had an issue. I mean, my partner, Lex, she does online business. She gets it. She's known me for a long time too, so she knows how I am. And I think that exactly what you just said one of the best things, and we've talked about this a little bit before we got on the call, like this, like this idea of authenticity, that can be kind of overused as a word, but one of the biggest gifts of like, actually showing up authentically, is that you give other people permission to do the same, right? Not that they need it, but like they are looking for it. And so when you show up and you're like, Yeah, this is what I do. This is the time I take. This is how, like, when I'm going to be doing this, I'm putting myself first. I'm scheduling this first. You give other people the permission to do that. And people like that. They're like, oh, if maybe, maybe they have some initial pushback, but that's because they're like, oh shit, you just held up a mirror. And now I have to look at myself and be like, Am I doing that? I could do that. What's stopping me from doing that? So I've had no pushback with it at all. You know, I've I say this whenever I go on podcasts or talk about things like so much of everything I credit to my mom, and just like how she raised me and I, she's always supported me. There was never a like, but what about or none of that. It was just like, okay, you have soccer. I'm taking you. You want to do this? Okay. Like, there was never anything but support. So I've never, I've never been in an environment. I never thought to be in an environment or been okay in an environment where someone's like, pushing back on just how I am, I'd be like, why? What is this about? Lesley Logan 13:27  What a cool mom. What a cool, like, evolved, healthy. Shanté Cofield 13:33  Super fortunate. Lesley Logan 13:34  Yeah, yes. And also let, like, it allows for you to be you, and then again, be that mirror for other people. So okay, it's called Be It Till You See It because I don't like the way fake it till you make it sounds. And I have always been someone who, like, is like, okay, I don't know how to be the person who runs a business by herself. So what if I had to know? And like, what would I do if I had to know? So that's kind of how I've always run things out. And so one of the things that, like, you know, I followed you for years, and I love about you, like, I find, and I'm sure this is like, literally, what you deal with is, like, so many people are afraid to put themselves out there as either themselves or the person that they would like people to see them as, and you teach that. And also, like, you know, in the last recent shit show we've all been in, I've watched you continue to show up authentically, and so I guess I want to know, like, are there tips for being it till you see it online? Shanté Cofield 14:26  Yeah, yeah. This is why I'm really excited to come on this podcast, because it is something that I've learned, that this is what I do and teach. I didn't go into online space or anything with that be like, this is what I'm gonna help people with. But, you know, Movement and Instagram and online business, it's all just been a vehicle to help people live into themselves and create their best lives. And I didn't realize that that was a difficult thing for people. And I don't see that as like, oh, it's so easy. It was just like, that's not the world that I was in in any way. And so when you start talking about you're like, oh, this is something that's difficult for you, for many reasons. Society is designed so that this is difficult for you, like, and then seeing that be like, okay, let me see what I can do, or what I've been doing, and kind of like, put a process to it, if you will, to try and help people. I think that the most, the simplest, easiest thing, the action item, is do it scared. Like, there's no other way around it. I think that we like to kind of, like, cerebralize things and be like, I'm gonna try and dissect it. And why am I like this? And why do I do something that's helpful and fine, but like, you still have to then do it. There's no that. There's no like, I'm gonna think my way out of this or into this. It's like, I still have to take the action and show up in this way. So if we're waiting to, like, feel better about it, we know that this confidence is a byproduct, right? It's on the other side of action. So there's a line that I give people that I tell people, I'm like, do it scared, right? Yes, there can be action items of, like, accountability, or you're like, I'm working with somebody and like, I just have to show up, I have to post. I've given myself timeframes and constraints so that, because we know deadlines are magic. But the to me, the big take home is there, do it scared. You're probably, it's probably going to feel uncomfortable, it's probably going to feel far and it's probably not going to feel good. You're probably going to be like, having all these thoughts, do it anyway, because the feeling you're searching for, the confidence, all of that, it's on the other side of the action.Lesley Logan 16:17  Yeah, oh yeah. It's really true. Like people so we have, since I last saw you, like, we actually have, like, streamlined so many things. And because of all the coaching I've done for 10 plus years, and because the world made me put everything out in blogs back in the day and videos, we were able to train an actual bot to be me, right? And it's great. It's fabulous. She, she has the best grammar that I never had. I'm like, wow, I love that the internet's helping with the commas. Like, it's so great. But somebody asked my bot, like, you know, a question where, like, you know, confidence came up, and my bot said a very true story about how I had, you know, like, I do these things scared. I'm not always confident with what I'm doing and the person's like, you're not always confident. You seem so confident. And it's so funny, because, like, I think people are so good at seeing what they want to see in other people you know that right there, because they don't see they don't see, oh, she's doing that scared. They see, they only see it as, like, she's confident. And it's really, like, I tell everyone, I do everything, like, as if the roller coaster is like, at the tip and I'm screaming down the other side and hoping I'm just gonna go with the flow of it all, because you get confident from doing the thing you said you're gonna do. Shanté Cofield 17:32  It's on the other side of it. I think, you know, there's also a lot to be said from drawing from data, right? Like, I'm a physical therapist by trade. That's science through and through. It's how my brain works. I want logic. I want reason. I want things to be rational. There's so much to be said to actually generating evidence and generating data first and then then the second part, which is hard for people, is believing it like there's always this discussion around imposter syndrome. There's a lot of, you know, routes we can take and how it's like, societally imposed, and all these other things. And I'm like, for me, part of the rational side of it is, I'm like, maybe you're just not that good yet. If you just started, why would you be good at this thing? So you feeling like, I'm not good enough. It's like, you're right. Clap for yourself. You're right. You're not that good yet. And then we go and we learn the things and we get the rest. And then this is where I see the switch doesn't flip. You have to choose to believe that evidence, because I'll have people that like do the things and I'm like, you've been doing this shit for five years. You're still not confident, like, you have to choose to believe it then. Day one, no, you're not good. Objectively, you're not like, it's okay. Year five. You are better. You have to look at all of this data that you have generated, and then you have to choose to believe it, and then act from that. Can you still and will you still be scared or have feelings about certain things? Yes, but it's typically the new things that you haven't done. Moving forward, you have this new foundation. You have stepping stones that you've literally laid in place yourself, and you have to choose to believe the structural integrity of these things.Lesley Logan 19:01  I I'm obsessed with that (inaudible) and I'll okay, Seth Godin, like, probably this is a decade ago, I was listening to podcasts when I couldn't afford coaching. I was like, these people are my coach. And Seth Godin was like, being asked about imposter syndrome, and he said, if you're new at something, you are, in fact, an imposter. And he's just right, so just feel those feelings, and then take the steps to not be that way. And I was like, and he also said, and then also take it as a sign that you're probably not a narcissist as well. So when you, yeah, because you care. So we can remove now that we've, like, established you're not a crazy ego narcissist and you are new. Allow yourself to be new, but then go do the thing. And I so I have had some people, some teachers, at my house, and they graduate from my mentorship program, and they were here at the house for retreat, and when I was like, oh, I can't do this exercise. I can't do this exercise. And I was like, okay, well, let's just see what you can do. So they do it, and they come right up, and I'm like, so you just did it. Shanté Cofield 19:59  So you can, actually, objectively. Lesley Logan 20:02  Yeah and I'm like, you need to believe in you more than I believe in you. Like, yes, I'm a teacher. Right?Shanté Cofield 20:09  That, that is huge, Lesley, that is huge. And I think that one of the things that I will talk to people about, or say to people as they're on this journey, is borrowing confidence, right? And so when we're starting out and we're new with something, one of the best gifts you can give yourself is if someone chooses to believe in you believe them. And so I think about, you know, you had asked, what the podcast, and I love, by the way, how organized your shit is. But one of the things I was asking, in that little, little pre podcast thing, and I was thinking of like, you know, instances, and for me, it was starting with Rock Tape and starting to teach with them. I did reach out, because I was like, I can do this because I was five years into my career already. It wasn't like day one. I was like, I can get people better. Like, I could do this. I could learn and, like, learn how to teach this. But like, I have a solid foundation. I'm good at what I do. But going into this, one of the women, one of the head woman, Allison, Allison Evans, who is my self-pointed mentor. We still talk like nearly every day. She believed in me, and she really believed that I could do this and could teach and like she put me on stages and helped me, and I was like, I'm going to choose to believe her. And that confidence, I did have to borrow it like I had my own coming in, but any that I needed, I would borrow from her and then use that moving forward, so that one of the best gifts that you can give yourself, if you are foundering, faltering a little bit having unsure about things, if someone chooses to believe in you, believe them. Lesley Logan 21:34  Ah, I want to put that on replay. Everyone's gonna rewind that. I wanna put that on replay because, like, I it's so true, years it was probably like 20 this was like 2018 and I had and I had, I had been traveling a bit to I was being hired to teach in different countries, and I was always so shocked. I'm like, oh my god, they found me. This is like, you guys, this is 2014-15. I wasn't really doing it on Instagram. They were finding me through like YouTube and then word of mouth. So then it's like 2018, a girlfriend of mine wanted to host this big event. And she was like, she was picking all of her friends to, like, do it, because we believed in her, right? But so I believed in her that she could do this event. And I found myself on a stage, my husband was actually micing me up. There's 85 people in this class, and I was like, Is this mic on? He goes, No. And I was like, I think I'm a little bit nervous. Like, I think there's a mistake here, right? Like, and he goes, why? And I was like, well, I just don't know, like, 85 people. I've never taught 85 people. And I'm looking at this front row, and there's like, famous teachers in the front row and brand new people in the front row, and I'm having just, like, a little having a little moment, a little imposter moment. And he goes, how is this different than anything you've already done? And it was like, I needed to go back and borrow that comment and also be reminded you've actually done this. It's just more people.Shanté Cofield 22:46  That that that you're human, the reminders, the other people, the people that are believing you, that people are giving them around, like, take all of this. Take all of it. Yes, yes. Yes times a million. Lesley Logan 22:57  Yeah, yeah. Um, okay. So you, you have, you went from, I mean, like, I love Rock Tape, thank God for Rock Tape. But between that, Pilates saved my knees and my hips from all my running career. So very appreciative. And then you got into what people would say is, like, a huge pivot, like, I don't know that many people would like the trend of like, oh, you go your physical therapist, and you're a Rock Tape expert, and then you teach people how to be on Instagram. Shanté Cofield 23:27  Yeah, right. Lesley Logan 23:28  So you had the teacher confidence in you from the teaching you've done, but and you had the confidence in what you've put out and what you grew on your own. But what was the be it till you see it? How did you like, how did you set yourself up to, like, coach people on something completely different than what you went to college studying all that?Shanté Cofield 23:45  Totally, totally. I love the phrase that it's be it till you see it, because you're not actually faking it, right? So to me that my, one of my whole sticks is safety and having a safety net. And so from the outside, people will think you've taken massive leaps. And then if they're like, behind the scenes, or if they actually were with you the whole time, they realize, like, there's these little steps that you just, like, didn't fucking stop them. So everything led to the next thing you know, being able to be on social media and being able to teach in person and give presentations came from the fact that I did it for a zillion years, right? Growing up, going through high school, going through college, and then, PT school, you did a million presentations, so like, going and doing more of them. I'm like, this is the same it's actually not an issue at all. Being able to speak to people and connect with people. That's from being a physical therapist like, that's literally all you do all day long, right? This skill set just carries over to the next thing, coaching, things. I've been in sports my whole life. I've been coaching my whole life. So then going into the online business realm, it wasn't so much of a pivot, because I was doing PT. All I did was I took all my PT stuff and I started putting it on Instagram. Because I was like, I started using Instagram simply because I was like, I would like to connect with other people. I didn't do it to this is 2014 right? I didn't do it to start a brand. I didn't do it because, like, no one was really doing it, to be completely honest, in terms of, like, the PT world there was like, (inaudible) was doing it, Perry Nicholson was doing it. But it wasn't like a big thing to see, like, PTs and Kairos just like.Lesley Logan 25:05  Yeah. I know it's hard for people to believe, but there was a window where social media was just social.Shanté Cofield 25:10  Yeah, right, like, here's my breakfast. There was no. Lesley Logan 25:14  I know. Here's a sunrise. I look at the sunrise. I did just look at this tree. Shanté Cofield 25:18  On my high tone filter here. Like it was not, it was like, not a thing. So I was like, okay, I see people doing it. I just want to connect with people and like, I'm, mind you, I'm five years into my career by now. Like, I was like, I can literally just take what I've been doing during the day. Videos was only 15 seconds long. Like, first iPhone didn't even have, like, a camera, I mean, a video on it. Like it was just like, this is very different way of doing things a different time. So I'm taking my PT stuff, I'm putting that on social media. I grow a following behind that, thinking I wanted to work with CrossFitters, but who followed me was other PTs. And I see why, like, looking back, I'm like, the language I was using, how I was showing up. So then I start teaching them things. I'm running courses. So, like, I'm able to run my own courses, because I worked for Rock Tape, at that point, four years. And so I knew how to run a course. I knew how much I would need to charge in order to, like, turn a profit on this. I had connections all around. I launched my personal course in Australia and New Zealand because I had connections from Rock Tape so it wasn't like, how could you launch a course abroad? I'm like, because I've already done literally 500 like, right? It's not a big thing. So from the outside, maybe it looks like that. From the inside, it's like, it's just the next step. As I'm running all these courses, and anytime I would go and they would, I would be specifically asked to teach a course. I by the by the, like, year three of this, I already knew if that facility asked for me specifically, I already knew that owner was going to be like, hey, can we go out to dinner? And then they were going to ask me business stuff. And they were like, going, they were like, gonna be like, I wanna leave. I wanna do something else. So getting asked all these questions, starting to work with those people, but it was just behind the scenes. People didn't know I'm doing it, but I'm like, I've been doing this for years. So then 2019 comes. I start bringing more of it front facing. Jill and I host a live event. That was my first live event with, like, online business. And I was like, okay, this is new, but I'm borrowing confidence from Jill. Jill believes in me. Cool. I'm going to just stay in my lane with this stuff and teach this stuff and go into that even, because I've been doing it like behind the scenes, but not so front facing. And then 2020 I literally just took all the stuff that I was doing behind the scenes and brought it front facing, right so that, and largely what I was doing initially in 2020 was teaching people how teaching people how to bring their presence online. It wasn't so much of the true like launch strategy and things like that that I learned a ton from Jill and then also going through that subsequently. But I started out with what I knew and what I've been helping with people with already. So the pivot felt like a lot like looked like a lot from the outside, but behind the scenes, it was literally like, okay, it's just the next stepping stone, and taking all that I've done with me and using it for the next step. Lesley Logan 27:46  I am so obsessed with the way that you like, talked about what people see on the outside, and then the baby steps behind the scenes, because I do think that they go, oh, you know, Lesley does this, and she does this, and she does this, and so I'm gonna go do these things. And it's like, okay, behind the scenes, there are 20 people who do the million steps. There are, like, from the time I end this call with you, I don't touch this again until a recap episode, and it goes through all the things that does all this stuff. And then I don't, I just hear it on the places you listen to podcasts too. Like, yeah, because, because behind the scenes, you're not, no one's posting. That's boring. No one actually wants to know how many baby steps are back there. But I also want to highlight that you like, you took what you were being asked a lot, and the experiences you were having, and you were utilizing that. And I think where a lot of people, they try to create it from the end point from, like, where this like, oh, here's Shanté on the stage. So I'm going to do what Shanté is doing on the stage, and then what am I going to talk about? What if you, you know, you got to go back behind the scenes, and like you mentioned earlier, where it's like, I didn't know people had a hard time doing this thing that came so easy to me. And I think, like for anyone listening, if you're wondering what you might be doing, whatever you think is easy, someone else, a lot of other people, think is so hard. They think it's so hard.Shanté Cofield 29:02  That, you're like, oh, I had no idea. Oh, I think that that gets at kind of like, one thing we haven't discussed is, like the societal implications, right? Like, how society and patriarchy and supremacy culture play into all of this, and we are fed this lie that success requires struggle, right, there's a difference. Success requires hard work, but not struggle. So if you go back to this, the surfer analogy, this would be like, you don't know how to swim. You hate the water. There's sharks in there. And people think like, that's how you have to do it in order to be able to like surf. And I'm like, you should maybe stay on land and, like, play volleyball, like, don't do something else, don't even like swimming. Like, what are you? Why do we think we have to be the struggle and such? Yes, there is hard work, but it is with things that you enjoy doing, with people you enjoy being around. And then it doesn't feel like this, like, God, I'm like, pulling teeth, and it's the worst thing ever. I truly believe that humans, left to their own devices, they will create, they will work hard, they will do so much. People are not inherently lazy. We all know, anyone that's listening to this, you have any if you've ever created something of anything, and you're like, I like this thing. You will stay up all night, you'll miss meals, you'll skip these things. I just want to finish this thing like that, it's in us, but we fed this lie that we have to struggle and we have to suffer and it has to be the worst thing ever. It doesn't have to be yes, it's a lot of work. Yes, we should probably expand our timelines for things, right? We'd have timelines in terms of minutes and I'm like, make it years and you'll never fail. Yeah, right now it's minutes and you're like, I didn't do it yet. But if you are finding things, leaning into these things and like, Hey, I'm naturally good at it. That's a good thing. But we're kind of taught, oh, you're naturally good at it. It's easy. That means that you're lazy, or that if you're if you're going to do that, that means that, like, you're taking the easy route, and that's bad. And it's like, no, do the things that you like, do the things that come easily, that that is great. That's what we're going for, not this life of like I hate the things I have to go to, where I have to do this, I have to struggle and suffer for it to be worthwhile. No, no, absolutely not. Lesley Logan 31:06  No. And I think there's, I love the distinction of hard work versus struggle. And you mentioned that, like, like, the the interesting thing, I don't know, intriguing, the crazy thing about the society that we are in currently, it is, like, before I before I before I go on this with you, my team is like, hey, which of these podcasts do you want us to pitch you to? I was like, looking and I'm like, you guys, anything that is just looks like an alpha male, like you can just say no. Like, you don't, you don't have to ask me. I don't care if it's a point 1% podcast. I don't care if I'm the first expert ever. They want to talk about Pilates and how it's good for them. Like, I'm gonna tell you right now, like, I cannot handle that vibe, and I don't need to. I can work hard and not struggle, and that would be a struggle, right? So, like, you know, I I like, no. And I think what a lot of people have done online is like, oh, that's popular. What this dickhead over here is doing is doing is popular, and using the red and the orange, and, like, claiming out, I'm gonna eat only steak and so I'm gonna go that way, you know. And like, people have forgotten to, like, be themselves and be different.Shanté Cofield 32:11  This, this, this, this, this times a million times a million. We're looking at sustainability as well, right? Like, sustainability and longevity, because that's what the play should be, being anything but yourself is unsustainable, yeah? Like, it may bring it might bring you flash in the pan, success. It might it absolutely, you might be able to trend track something and ride that wave for a short term. You might. But we also see, we've seen it publicly in social media, where people are like, I have to stop doing social media. I built this thing. I hate it. I have this massive audience. It's fake. I don't like it. And it's like, yeah. And I'm also thinking about, we're just seeing the end product of that right, where they're just like, I'm so unhappy. I have to, like, stop this person's been living like that for however long. Like, that's not, life is short, man, we're not here to be miserable every day and baking this thing like, I love that you're not this fake it till you make it. I'm like, people be faking it till they die, you know. Like, that's not.Lesley Logan 33:13  It's not it. It's really not so. And talk about like imposters, and you'll never feel that way. I'll so Martha Stewart is not one of my favorite people in the world, although she's a badass and like, let's just give her that. And also, she hasn't been to prison. That was a, just, just a woman doing something a man does, and they're gonna put her in prison. Yeah, so if they want to imprison them on it, then fine, I'm okay with it. But if we're not doing that anyways, different argument. But she had her version of The Apprentice. Like, when I was like, you know, I don't know, maybe was in college or in high school, and I remember someone said, well, we gotta fake it till you make it. And Martha said, We never fake anything around here. And I was like, I mean, come on, Martha, you fake a little bit, right? Like, like, I had this thing. Like, I just remember, and I remember that going, like, really, you don't fake anything. And then as I got older, and I started, like, evaluate I was doing, I was like, I'm not faking anything. This is me. But like, acting like if I had the if I knew how that worked, or if I wasn't scared. So it's just, you know, when we think of what actors do, we don't call them faking it when they're on white lotus, they are acting like this weird character. You know, it gives me nightmares. Yeah? So it's just like, you get to act like the person who would have the confidence you act like the person, who is doing the hard work but not struggling, that helps you make decisions that you can filter through until you are you realize one day you woke up and you are that person. That's who you are, because that's who you always were.Shanté Cofield 34:32  That, that last part though. Lesley, I think that's really huge, because that's who you always were. There's something to be said, if you really sit and dissect this, like, be it till you see it, it's not faking it because, like, it is you, like, maybe you don't know this thing, but it's still you, it's still you choosing to do this. It's still you having the confidence to do this thing. You're not lying to saying to someone and being like, I'm a surgeon, like, that is different. That's completely different, but it is you. But there is no fake to this, like, whether or not it's just the nuance and the verbage there is that you don't have the like, the confidence that you believe someone who's like been this way for a long time has, but it's still you, still in it. Lesley Logan 35:17  Speaking of still you, you've always been the person that I like look to when it's like, okay, what's going on with Instagram? Like, what's going on this thing? Lesley, just get out of your fucking way and do, just do a just do the thing. Like, I'm just like, such a reluctant Instagrammer, because I've done so well with the YouTubes and the other things and so to me, like, I'm just kind of like, I don't, I always hop on trends. Like, I'm like, I'm just like, here's, I'm too busy actually. So here's here's here's a picture of me and my assistant, and I'll get back to you next week, because I got a lot to do, but something that like you I I've been watching you, and you're so good, and you are so creative, and you're always so consistent. And also, after the election, you, to me, I think on the outsider's perspective, people might have thought you were pivoting. You were being you in my, because, maybe because I know you behind the scenes a bit, but like, it didn't seem like a pivot. It seemed like you just got, like, turning the volume up on you. How did is that what you felt like you were doing? Do you feel like you were like, do you did you have pushback when people say you've changed?Shanté Cofield 36:19  There was no, this is a great question. There was no overt pushback. There was obviously, like, losing of followers, right? So there's like a silence pushback, if you will. But I, flip side of that is I didn't have anyone that was like, stay in your lane or stick to politics. Like no one said anything to me. They were just like, okay, I'm gonna show myself the door. And I'm like, that's cool. I also will say, I don't look at numbers. I hate looking at numbers. I hate when people are like so in the numbers, because I also believe that, especially on Instagram, a lot of numbers are fake, not even like people buying followers. I'm like in you think that 60,000 people like this is Instagram with fake money, right? Using house money and rewarding certain behavior and being like, hey, we like what you're doing. We're going to give you followers, don't like what you're doing, we're going to take them away. Like, the metrics that I want people looking at, if we're going to talk Instagram, is going to be your actual interaction. How many comments are you getting, and are they real? Like, are you talking to people? How many DMs? How many conversations are you having? That's the stuff that I care about. And while I lost quote, unquote followers, or I should say, well, I lost quote, unquote followers, that's what I want to be quoting there, my engagement and my DMs did not go down. I got more comments on the post that I've been doing since the election. So I'm like, I'm good actually, and I think that my audience this is I've been showing up this way long enough of just like this is me, and what topic am I speaking about? Right? My whole shtick has been, build, create, live your best life, and we're doing it with authenticity, because otherwise it's not sustainable. It's not your best life. It's some caricatures, you know, best life. And I've just used vehicles right, across the years. It's been vehicles, it's been physical therapy, it's been Movement, it's been Instagram, it's been online business. And now I, you know, I'm just speaking to certain points that are just like this, just, like this, just, we're just talking about life now, there's nothing in in between to like, create metaphors for you. We're just talking about life. I'm just asking you to look at the things that you're doing on the day to day, and the things that are happening around us and the implications of that, and speaking to that. So, you know, it hasn't been difficult in the sense of showing up that way, but it has been difficult for me to have the desire to put out what I consider to be trivial things. I understand it can be helpful for certain people, but like, that's not where I'm at. I also have, like, this kind of, like internal clock that, like, kind of resets every five years when I'm like, okay, something new. So PT was five years, and then the last three I was teaching and shifting away from treating, and then 2020 hit, and I'm, you know, doing all online business. I'm like, it's 2025 my clock is like, yeah, next step. What? What else is there? Lesley Logan 38:51  I love that you have that awareness of yourself. I felt like I have a seven year clock. And I only learned that, like in the like, last year, I was like, kind of felt like, like, I felt like I was claustrophobic in my own clothes, you know. And, you know, here's the thing, like, again, behind the scenes, no one can see what we're having to do to pivot businesses, you know. And it takes time and what I just love that you mentioned, like, it's hard to post about trivial things, or things that feel trivial to me. It has, I will be honest, like, in the ever since, like, the last year, of like, oh, fuck, this is where we're headed. I'm like, does it really? Do you really need a fucking tip on that? Because there's a YouTube video like, I I'm trying to figure that. I'm trying to figure out, how do I, like, how do I as female business owner who coaches female business owners whose clients are coming in and telling them stupid shit about the economy, who's making them doubt that they should raise their rates, even though their rent went up, their utilities went up. Like, the cost to have employees went up. Like, yeah, you have to raise your rates, because that's the only way you stay in business. It's you are not a charity. You are a. Business. If you want to be a charity, go file for that. You know, I am so I I appreciate that, because I had, I found like, you know, not just like, what has gone on with politics, but like, in the last month, we had something happen in our family, and I'm like, I just, I have these brands who want me to post something I I'm sorry, like, I'm gonna fail you right now, what I love is like, you're such, you are human, and you give so many people permission to be that. And I didn't even post a ton. Mostly was all my stories. I was like, if you follow me, like, you're gonna get the real me. And then the stories is where it is. And I people, you know, I just really liked it when you didn't talk about politics. And I said, I'm so sorry. I'm a female business owner that is political. Like, like, I might have privileges of a white person, but like, I'm still a female business owner who literally only gets people to answer things if I, I have my husband on calls for things. Like, I have a I have, like, here it's your job.Shanté Cofield 40:51  People are people, audacity. I wish that the people we coach and people listening to this have the audacity of that person. It comes into your DMs and is like, here's how you should run your account. I wish we all had that audacity. Lesley Logan 41:04  Yes, yes. Oh, my God. Shanté Cofield 41:06  Where did that come from? Lesley Logan 41:07  Yes, we need to find these people. Like, teach them audacity because it's what, that's the word, it is. And like, I just said, I said, oh, you know, this is my account. Like, so I I said, I was just like, this is my account. And like, I think rights are, are actually, like, just real and human rights. But if you don't like hearing about that, you don't have to follow me here. You can just go for free and go on YouTube. In fact, they'll make sure whatever ads you get the ones you wanted. And you can, you can actually just search for the content that you want from me, and if you want to pay for it. In my membership group, we don't talk about politics, but just remember, everything is.Shanté Cofield 41:43  Exactly. Everything is political, and people see that. I'm like, you're just saying that it hasn't affected you. I'm like, but it is. It hasn't affected you in a negative way. I'm like, it's just affecting you, but positively or neutrally, like. So it hasn't been hard to switch to speak about that it's been hard to like, you said, the behind the scenes, business side of things. Like, I run, my number one program that I run is an Instagram intensive, and I haven't run it this year because I'm just like, what do I want to do with this thing? Like, how do I want this thing to look? How do I do I want to do this? Am I wanting to encourage people to go and spend their time with this? Is this company that doesn't give shits of value? Like, there's a lot of thinking around the the intentionality piece. And I'm fortunate in a fortunate place that I like have, I have the savings to be able to, like, chill out, and I have other programs going on, and I already have clients that I can be been working with one on one, so I can hold off on that thing. But that, that has been the only difficulty, but.Lesley Logan 42:38  I thank you for sure, because I think, like when everything went down, I had people in my group going, I don't, I don't want to post on these platforms, because I don't want to give them anything. And I was like, okay, first of all, I agree. Like, I like, just know that, like, thank you. And also, what I will always coach you on is you have to be where they your people are. So where are your people? Because if they are there, then if you're not there, then some dude on rib-eye steak for three meals a day is gonna sell to them. Like they're gonna, they're gonna buy the solution to their problem. So then it's kind of like, how do we play in the field, you know, like, how do we do it? And so that's always been a game. It's always been the game like, how do we play in this, like, the sandbox that gets them out of that sandbox and over into the sandbox we want to play in.Shanté Cofield 43:25  Absolutely, the intentionality and taking a moment and, like, again, bang, bang. Having time is a luxury, right? Time is to me, like, it circles back to being a conversation of, like, what ultimately I wanted, and having this lifestyle business. It's the translation of that is having time flexibility and having time ownership, right? Where I have the time to sit and Covid, we saw the importance of time during Covid. We call it the great pause, because it gave people a moment to be like, wait, what do I want? How do I want to do things? Do I believe in this? Do I agree with this? When we're living in a world that's so fast paced, and you just have to, like, you're just trying to eat, you're just trying to, like, get through the day, you don't have the luxury, you don't the ability to sit and think and be like, so intentional with things, right? It's all by design, right? I can sound like a tin hat. I don't care. It's all by design. I'm in a place where I have the luxury to sit and be like, okay, I want to be intentional in community, super intentional with my business and how I'm showing up and how I'm helping people. What does that look like? Like I totally agree, there's a huge (inaudible) and when it comes to social media, because it's like, yes, these businesses and supporting them, and you're like, But the flip side is, how do I support my people? And if it's like, I have to stay with this nonsense and in this sandbox so that I can reach these people, because that's where they're at, I'm going to do that. And yes, I'm going to have to move them somewhere else and do other things and show up with my values and encourage them to do the same. But you know, this is taking a beat, taking a moment to really fit and identify that, and not just being like, knee jerk, like, I'm done with it all. And like, yeah, I'm burning it all down. It's like, if that's what you want to do, fine, but I'm looking at what's the outcome of that. Why am I doing that? And if my goal is to be able to help people and like, let me take a moment and figure out what feels best and how I want to do that. Lesley Logan 45:01  Yeah, I could talk to you forever, Shanté, I'm just obsessed. And really, we need to have a hang next time you're here, next time I'm there, we're gonna take a brief break and then find out how people can find you, follow you, work with you. Shanté Cofield 45:12  Sounds good. Lesley Logan 45:13  All right, Shanté, where do you hang out? And we said Instagram. But also, like, give them all the deets. Where can they stalk you in a good way?Shanté Cofield 45:19  Yeah, the deets, I try to keep everything consistent, is just type in The Movement Maestro anywhere, and it'll come up, and then you can do whatever you want with it. My website, movementmaestro.com, Instagram, The Movement Maestro. I'm on threads as The Movement Maestro, and that's the easiest, the easiest thing, if you want to chat, I'm in my DMs. I haven't been posting as much as I usually do, but I will answer a DM in two seconds. I don't like email, so go to my website and email me, but I probably won't get back to you. Someone from my team may get back, maybe. Maybe I'll have Rupert, my cat, get back, but (inaudible).Lesley Logan 45:51  Oh, I will tell you how I got out of my inbox, and I'm loving it. Now I have to, actually, my sister's like you do have to go and respond to the five that I couldn't do. I was like, okay, alright, I'll get there. All right. You have truly given us so much, but you know, we, it would, wouldn't be Be It Till You See It Podcast without the bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it? What do you have for us?Shanté Cofield 46:11  We're going to circle back, because repetition is key. Once is never, and I'm going to say what I said before. Just do it scared, right? The confidence, the happiness, the understanding, the clarity that you are looking for, the guidance, the direction, the answers that you're looking for are on the other side of doing the thing. So, do it scared.Lesley Logan 46:27  Yeah, yeah. We firmly believe in that. We cosign on that. And once you do it scared, make sure you let The Movement Maestro know and let Be It Pod know because then we can celebrate you. Because guess what? Celebration is how habits are created. That's how the dopamine hits the brain. It's all science people, all right, loves. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 46:45  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 47:28  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 47:33  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 47:37  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 47:44  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 47:48  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/be-it-till-you-see-it/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Ghost dives deep into one of the wildest intersections of celebrity, politics, and global diplomacy ever told, Dennis Rodman's strange and extraordinary story. Joined by Cam Cooksey, Ghost explores Rodman's unlikely journey from NBA legend and cultural rebel to international figure in North Korea's shadowy orbit. The discussion unpacks Rodman's broken childhood, his Hall of Fame reflections, his bizarre yet authentic bond with Trump, and his infamous friendship with Kim Jong Un. Through emotional clips, behind-the-scenes insights from The Apprentice, and jaw-dropping documentary moments, they reveal how Rodman's defiance, honesty, and humanity may have made him the perfect unlikely peacemaker. It's part sports history, part political thriller, and pure Badlands storytelling.

Step into a world where familiar tales take on new life—and discover the power of storytelling to heal, inspire, and transform. Ekta Garg's latest release reimagines fairytales with fresh depth, meaning, and emotional clarity.In this episode, we meet Ekta Garg, a writer who's spent two decades in niche publishing, crafting tales that reimagine the familiar and inspire the bold. Her award-winning works include The Truth About Elves and In the Heart of the Linden Wood. Her upcoming release, The Witch's Apprentice and Other Stories, reimagines classic fairy tales with fresh depth and meaning. This upcoming release, The Witch's Apprentice and Other Stories, invites us to revisit the tales we thought we knew—and discover the truths we never saw coming.Listen on Apple, Spotify or your favorite listening platform; visit us on our YouTube channel Find everything "One More Thing" here: https://taplink.cc/beforeyougopodcastThis podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy

The Spin Chagrin, a concept that finds Frank having to watch a movie he's never seen before based on the random spin of a wheel filled with off-the-wall genres, continues into its fourth year. All the categories are quotables from Frank himself. In this episode, Frank's category was "Goonie Jedi." For this, he watched and reviewed the 2001 fantasy film, The Sorcerer's Apprentice, starring Robert Davi and Kelly LeBrock. They also discuss Karate Kid: Legends and 28 Years Later.

In the ninth episode of Season 22 of Star Wars: In a Galaxy, Eli, Jacob, and special guest Alden Diaz of Anytime with Ken and Alden and Ahch-To Radio discuss the final, double-length episode of Season 2 of Star Wars: Rebels, "Twilight of the Apprentice".Among their discussion:– Malachor's reintroduction in Rebels, and what it meant for Legends material being reintegrated into Canon.– What was Master Yoda trying to teach Ezra, Kanan, and Ahsoka?– Another Inquisitor, this time a lot sillier.– Old Master, Sam Witwer's excellent performance, and a tangent about Star Wars: Battlefront II (2017) skins– Saber copters are cool, actually.– So many lightsaber blades, so little time!– Kanan Jarrus' blindness, and what it means for Rebels going forwards.– The coolest Darth Vader entrance of all time.– Why many people completely misunderstand what "I am no Jedi" means.– The ending montage to end all ending montages.Follow Alden on BlueSky: @thataldendiaz.bsky.socialWatch one of Alden's shows on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@AnytimewithKenAlden⁠The next episode of Star Wars: In a Galaxy will release on October 10, 2025.Follow us on BlueSky, Instagram, and Threads: @InaGalaxyPod/@inagalaxypod.bsky.appFollow our spinoff trivia show on BlueSky: @inagalaxytrivia.bsky.socialFollow Eli everywhere: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/_ochifan327⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Leave us a 5-star rating and review on Apple and Spotify! It really helps!You can email us at swinagalaxy@gmail.com

The guys are back...all the guys. It's going to be a great year with some exciting conversations not only across the country, but the globe. As always, thank you for your passion for craft. When you become a patron of the podcast, you get first access to all episodes, bonus content, and more. Check it out at Patreon. patreon.com/passionforcraft

In this chilling episode of Fear From the Heartland, the line between guardian and monster blurs, and innocence collides with the demands of blood and shadow. When old pacts tremble and dark legacies fall into new hands, survival means choosing between loyalty and damnation. Enter a world where contracts bind deeper than family, where every smile may hide a fanged snarl, and where even the most fragile soul can become the sharpest weapon. Step inside—if you dare—and witness horror not merely inherited, but unleashed. To watch the podcast on YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://bit.ly/ChillingEntertainmentYT⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/FearFromTheHeartland⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ If you like the show, telling a friend about it would be amazing! You can text, email, Tweet, or send this link to a friend: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/FearFromTheHeartland Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

All links here. https://linktr.ee/shepardambellasBuckle up, truth-seekers – tonight on The Shepard Ambellas Show, we're ripping the mask off the latest D.C. circus act: Secretary of War nominee Pete Hegseth's infamous "secret meeting" that's about as covert as a fireworks show on the 4th of July. What was billed as a shadowy strategy session in the Pentagon's bowels? Turns out it was just another scripted clown world military play – a theatrical flex of tanks, tough talk, and Trump-era bravado that had the general public gobbling it up like chum to a school of sharks. Hook, line, and sinker!From leaked memos to viral clips gone wrong, we'll break down how this "top-secret" powwow leaked faster than a sieve, exposed the deep state's puppet strings, and left America wondering if our national security is run by a reality TV crew. Was it a psyop to distract from election rigging whispers? A trial balloon for endless wars 2.0? Or just Pete's audition for the next Apprentice reboot? Shepard Ambellas dives deep with insider intel, declassified docs, and zero-BS analysis that'll make you question everything you scrolled past this week.#PeteHegseth #SecretMeeting #ClownWorld #MilitaryIndustrialComplex #ShepardAmbellas #DeepStateExposed #Trump2025 #PsyopAlertSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-shepard-ambellas-show/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Discover how innovation meets mentorship as David Guttman, President and CEO of Investify, shares the spotlight with his remarkable 18-year-old protege, Ana. Together, they have embarked on an entrepreneurial journey, culminating in Ana's appointment as CEO of "One of One Posters," a company that merges creativity with AI to offer personalized posters. This episode unravels the dynamic between experienced guidance and youthful ingenuity, demonstrating how mentorship can fuel groundbreaking business ideas and offer fresh perspectives that challenge the status quo.Not only do we explore the intricacies of launching a business with Ana's inspiring story, but we also uncover the broader elements of building a robust business strategy. From utilizing effective marketing techniques and the nuances of bootstrapping to understanding capital structures and the benefits of forming an LLC, every aspiring entrepreneur will find nuggets of wisdom here. You'll hear from seasoned entrepreneurs reflecting on their careers, offering insights that validate practical experience and the importance of networking, especially in today's digital landscape.Finally, the conversation turns towards strategic leadership and the art of empowering others. By fostering a strong company culture and hiring for attributes like curiosity and heart, businesses can inspire a sense of ownership among employees. We also touch on the transformative power of mastermind groups and the strategic planning necessary for successful business launches. As we wrap up, there's an exciting announcement about my new book, "Escaping the Drift," and the exclusive bonuses available to eager readers. Join us for an episode packed with inspiration, actionable insights, and a celebration of entrepreneurial spirit.CHAPTERS (00:00) Innovative Business Launch With AI(08:40) Building Business Strategies and Network(14:47) Effective Business Strategy and Hiring Techniques(22:53) Building a Mentorship and Investment Program(33:55) Mastermind Group Equity Investment Strategy(43:05) Empowering Book Release Announcement

It's time for another one-player one-shot!   The Librarian's Apprentice is a solo game I've had near the top of my list to play for a LONG time, and it's a shame it's taken me so long to get this to the table. This is a game by friend of the channel Daniel Bronson-Lowe, a.k.a. Almost Bedtime Theater who you may remember from the Tabletop Tutorial episode of i'm sorry did you say street magic? where we built a city within this game's infinite library together on this podcast!   This is a game about playing a Librarian-to-be in an infinite library and working your way through its halls to find documents and uncover truths that will prove you worthy of the title Librarian. It is full of mystery, amazing oracles, prompts, and is so easy to play thanks to its elegant design. Not only that, the presentation of this game is so beautiful, coming in a package that unfolds into trifold pamphlets with bookmark character sheets, a library card, and the recently published Song of the Scryptwyrm expansion mystery adds even more amazing art through little hidden details and messages in the text. I can't recommend this game enough.   For this one-player one-shot, we follow apprentice librarian Corbyn on his first document retrieval assignment, slowly uncovering information about the strange inhabitants of the library known as the gnosiphages, a.k.a. booklickers.   ----more---- Join the DMs After Dark Discord channel!   I made a Ko-Fi if you feel absurdly generous and want to help cover podcast hosting costs & all the upkeep. I'm still working on whether I want to offer anything special over there or just give my extreme gratitude (maybe some stickers or something in the mail) to those who donate, but no pressure whatsoever :)   Where to Follow Rene Plays Games: LinkTree |  BlueSky | Threads | Instagram | Facebook | DMs After Dark Rene's Games: MECH | MECH Cities 2 | One Last Quest email: RenePlaysGamesPod@gmail.com   Music in the Episode (in order of appearance): Windswept Realms, Vol. I by Vindsvept Darkness Fading by Vindsvept Rene Plays Games Theme written & produced by Dan Pomfret | @danfrombothbands

In the spirit of autumnal decay and ren faire dress-up, Brian shares with Dan a formative TV movie, the two-part Merlin starring Sam Neill. Join as they discuss the film's odd place in a movie history, surprisingly stacked cast, dubious Arthurian authenticity, outstanding score, and cyclic reflections on power. Brian also gives Dan a quick rundown of the shoddy but twisty sequel, Merlin's Apprentice from 2006. Dan's movie reviews: http://thegoodsreviews.com/ Subscribe, join the Discord, and find us on Letterboxd: http://thegoodsfilmpodcast.com/

Teatime with Miss Liz Presents: “Stories That Shape Us: From Reviewer to Author – The Journey of Ekta R. Garg” Introduction: Join me, Miss Liz, on September 30th at 3 PM EST, for an inspiring Teatime with Ekta R. Garg — a reviewer, editor, author, and dreamer of stories and books. Since 2005, Ekta has worked in niche publishing, covering a range of topics including healthcare, home improvement, and Hindi films. She shares her deep love of stories by judging writing contests, hosting writing workshops, and podcasting about books and the art of writing. Ekta is the award-winning author of the holiday novella “The Truth About Elves”, the fairy tale for grownups “In the Heart of the Linden Wood”, and her newest release “The Witch's Apprentice and Other Stories”, published by Atmosphere Press. Her passion for storytelling is matched only by her mission to help others connect with their voices and creativity. Tagline: “Every story has a heartbeat — discover yours with Ekta R. Garg.”Description: Ekta R. Garg brings over two decades of experience in publishing and storytelling to this Teatime conversation. From editing and reviewing to mentoring and writing, she believes that stories are our bridges to understanding and empathy. In this session, we'll delve into her journey as a multi-talented creative, her award-winning works, and her insights on how stories shape, heal, and guide us toward growth. If you've ever dreamed of writing your story or want to understand the power of storytelling better, you won't want to miss this episode. Closing: Join Miss Liz and Ekta for an enlightening conversation filled with heart, inspiration, and the magic of words. Mark your calendar — September 30th at 3:00 PM EST — and join a storytelling journey that promises to inspire writers, readers, and dreamers everywhere.

Dreamslinger by Graci Kim Read Alikes: Amari and the Night Brothers by B.B Alston Pilar Ramirez and the Escape from Zafa by Julian Randall The Dragon's Apprentice by James Riley

Becoming an electrical apprentice is just the start of a career filled with endless possibilities. And for some, that journey leads to shaping the future of the trade itself. That's exactly what our guest, Summer Zachary, an instructor at the Electrical Training Institute in Commerce, California, chose to do. In this episode, Summer talks about her path, her passion for the trade, and what it means to train the next generation of electrical workers.

Is faith meant to be a private, internal feeling, or something more? What if Jesus came not just to share a message, but to put the very life of heaven on display for all to see? This weekend, we explore how our ordinary lives are meant to be the main showroom for the Kingdom on display. Discover how your daily actions can become a compelling preview of God's goodness and power for a watching world.

Ben and Anna Troughton continue our Apprentice series, today looking at Moses and Joshua.

Your work is not secular if the Spirit of God dwells in you, because you make your workplace sacred just by walking in. This week, the guests explore the integration of faith and work, highlighting the challenges and opportunities that arise in the workplace. They emphasize the importance of viewing work as a mission field and the role of apprenticeship in faith. The discussion also explores the significance of economics in understanding faith and work, as well as the church's responsibility to equip believers for their Monday work. Practical tools and strategies for integrating faith into everyday work are provided, along with a vision for the future of faith and work conversations.

Matt Bontrager, founder of TrueBooks, opens up about his journey from UNLV graduate to headlining a successful accounting firm projected to pull in $4 million this year. We chat about how networking, often overshadowed by academic achievements, became the cornerstone of Matt's career leap—from landing that crucial job at Deloitte to building a specialized business for real estate investors. We uncover how his early bonds and fraternity experiences provided professional leverage, illustrating how pivotal connections can be in shaping one's career path.   Transitioning from a stable W2 job to launching an innovative accounting firm didn't happen overnight. Matt shares the strategic risks and decisions that propelled TrueBooks into a thriving enterprise, highlighting the significance of complementary skills in partnerships. His collaboration with Ryan Pineda, leveraging Ryan's sales prowess, was instrumental in scaling the business. We explore the nuances of maintaining quality amid rapid growth and nurturing company culture, especially in a remote setup, while reflecting on the challenges and victories of scaling a business amid an evolving economic landscape.   As we wrap up, the conversation shifts to balancing personal and professional brands, especially in today's digitally charged world. Matt entertains us with insights on keeping accounting engaging and authentic, and how personality differences can affect client relationships. We also tackle the complex world of real estate tax strategies, revealing how savvy tax planning can turn potential pitfalls into financial victories for investors. With a nod to future aspirations for TrueBooks, Matt candidly shares his thoughts on navigating business partnerships and the impacts of potential legislative changes on tax services.   CHAPTERS    (00:00) - Escaping the Drift (07:29) - Growing a Successful Accounting Firm (13:01) - Building a Strong Company Culture (20:27) - Navigating Personality Differences in Business (31:09) - Balancing Personal and Professional Brand (34:23) - Real Estate Tax Strategies for Investors (39:34) - Strategic Business Planning for Future Success (48:29) - Show Appreciation and Engagement  

Throughout Jesus's ministry, we see Him call people out of the crowd around Him to a life of apprenticeship. The cost of following Jesus is high, but what we gain is far greater than what we lose. What in my life needs to die, so that I can truly live?

This week on The Cigar Authority, it's The Cigar Apprentice with Travis Rodd! Travis is a STAR Reviewer & has been working as the first intern for Two Guys Cigars this week! What did he learn & will Dave say "You're Fired!?" Tune in to find out while we smoke Micallef Green in the first hour. Join Mr. Jonathan, David Garofalo and Ed Sullivan as we light up cigars and talk about them. The Cigar Authority is a member of the United Podcast Network and is recorded live in front of a studio audience at Studio 21 Podcast Cafe upstairs at Two Guys Smoke Shop in Salem, NH.

Advocate Aurora is tackling two major challenges in healthcare facilities: an aging workforce and aging infrastructure. In this episode of Healthcare Facilities Network, Ryan Koney, Manager of Facilities Operations at Advocate Aurora Health, shares how the organization's innovative Apprentice-to-Intern program is cultivating the next generation of facilities leaders.Ryan walks us through how the program bridges generational gaps, preserves critical knowledge, and secures C-level buy-in — all while preparing younger professionals to take on future leadership roles. From practical strategies for succession planning to fostering collaboration between Gen Z and Boomers/Gen X, this episode explores how Advocate Aurora is creating a replicable model for healthcare systems nationwide.Whether you're involved in facilities management, workforce development, or leadership strategy, Ryan offers actionable insights to help organizations future-proof their teams and infrastructure.

The New York Times bestselling author and beloved actor from the sitcom Taxi, Marilu Henner delivers an intimate account of how she and her husband stood together and triumphed.After they'd been dating only a short while, and as they were falling madly in love, Marilu Henner and Michael Brown were hit with the ultimate bad news: Michael was diagnosed with cancer. Refusing traditional care, they pieced together a personal and holistic view on battling his cancer, all while forging an unbreakable bond.In this moving and informative book, Marilu pulls back the curtain on how they dealt with the blow. She relates her holistic perspective on health—including the superfoods, exercises, and immunotherapy they used to fight back—and why a diagnosis doesn't have to be the end of romance or of a happy and fulfilling life. Takeaways, tips, and practical advice make this a useful guide for anyone working to sustain a relationship through the adversity of disease.Written with an engaging voice, a sense of humor, and life-changing wisdom, Changing Normal is a personal and touching look at how Marilu and Michael faced down a cancer diagnosis and came out the other side happier, healthier, and more in love than ever.MARILU HENNER BIO (FROM BIOGRAPHY.COM)Actress and author Marilu Henner was born Mary Lucy Pudlowski on April 6, 1952, in Chicago, Illinois. The third of six children, she attended the University of Chicago for three years, before deciding to wholeheartedly pursue an acting career. Billed as Marilu Henner, she originated the supporting role of Marty in the musical Grease at the University of Chicago's Community Theatre.Henner dropped out of school in 1972, in order to travel with the national company of Grease, at which time she carried on a highly publicized romance with co-star John Travolta. In 1976, she moved to New York, landing her first Broadway role in Over Here! Following a handful of forgettable stage performances, Henner made her cinematic debut as a stripper in the 1977 sleeper Between the Lines.In 1978, Henner landed the breakthrough role of her career on a new sitcom called Taxi. As single mother Elaine O'Connor-Nardo, she sought to gain entry to the exclusive professional and social circles of the fine arts world, while holding down a job as a cab driver and fending off the advances of her dispatcher, played by Danny DeVito. The popular show, which also starred Judd Hirsch and Tony Danza, aired for five seasons.A handful of film roles followed, including parts in Blake Edward's farce The Man Who Loved Women (1983), which starred Burt Reynolds, Kim Basinger and Julie Andrews, and the gangster spoof Johnny Dangerously (1984), with Michael Keaton. Over the next few years, Henner's body of work ranged from disappointing films like 1985's Perfect (which paired her with former beau John Travolta) to well-received comedies like L.A. Story (1991), starring Steve Martin and Patrick Stewart.In 1990, Henner found renewed TV success on the sitcom Evening Shade. She enjoyed a four-year run in her role as Ava Evans Newton, the wife of a high school athletics coach played by Burt Reynolds. In 1994, Henner hosted her own short-lived daily talk show, Marilu. Later that year, she published a revealing autobiography, By All Means Keep on Moving, in which she candidly discussed her sexual exploits with many of her Taxi co-stars, including Tony Danza and Judd Hirsch.In 1999, Henner played herself in the critically acclaimed film Man on the Moon, which documented the life of former Taxi cast member and famed comedian Andy Kaufman. She returned to the stage in 2000, headlining a national tour of the revival of Annie Get Your Gun.Henner has also ventured out into the realm of reality television. She served as host of the PBS series America's Ballroom Challenge (2006-09) and she competed in the first celebrity edition of Donald Trump's The Apprentice, aptly named Celebrity Apprentice, in 2008. She made it to Week 8 of the competition before getting fired, losing the chance to win the total prize for her charity, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine.She returned in 2013 for All-Star Celebrity Apprentice, competing against the likes of Lil Jon, Trace Adkins and Dennis Rodman, among others. Although she lost yet again, she was able to last through Week 10 of the competition. During her second appearance on the show, Henner competed for The Alzheimer's Association.Henner has written and co-authored several books, including one on child rearing titled I Refuse to Raise a Brat: Straightforward Advice on Parenting in an Age of Overindulgence (1999). In addition, she has published two best-selling guides on health and beauty—The 30 Day Total Health Makeover (1999) and Healthy Life in the Kitchen (2000). Henner has also published several other books about health and fitness, including 2002's Healthy Holidays and 2012's Total Health Makeover, and has offered online classes to support her total health makeover program. Outside of her bestselling books, she has taken her stance on leading a healthy lifestyle to both the government and the classroom.Henner presented Congress with a dietary plan for children as part of the Child Nutrition Reauthorization Act of 2010. She has also spoken at various schools and organizations, encouraging others to speak out to the government against unhealthy living and eating habits. After the release of Total Health Makeover, Henner went on a book tour and appeared on several talk shows, including The View and Good Morning America, to further promote her healthy lifestyle lessons.In December 2010, Henner revealed that she had highly superior autobiographical memory (HSAM) during a segment on 60 Minutes. The condition, also known as Hyperthymesia, allows her to recall very specific moments in her life. She went on to talk about HSAM on several programs, showing off her hidden talent."You say April 3, 1992, and all of a sudden the whole week starts presenting itself to me," she told CBS. "That was a Friday and I was in New York, actually. Early that week I had won $1,760 at a winner-take-all Academy Awards pool. It was a clean sweep of the Oscars, Silence Of The Lambs, Jodie Foster."Neurobiologist James McGaugh began studying Henner's case of HSAM, along with others who have the same unusual memory patterns, in November 2009. The results were used in the television series Unforgettable for the character of Carrie Wells, a character inspired by Henner and played by Poppy Montgomery.In 1980, Henner wed Frederic Forrest; the couple divorced in 1982. She has two sons, Nicholas and Joseph, with her second husband, director/producer Robert Lieberman. The couple filed for divorce in June 2001. In December 2006, Henner wed Michael Brown, whom she had known in college.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/arroe-collins-unplugged-totally-uncut--994165/support.

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Andy Cam and Todd Glister are joined by business owner James Broadbent to talk about his difficulty taking on a second year apprentice, aged 21, because of the recent increase in minimum wage. James talks about his experiences with five previous apprentices, what he's done to find a new candidate, being inundated with applications and where he feels more support for contractors should come from.

Linda Johansen-James, the trailblazing founder and CEO of International Retail Group, joins us to share her incredible journey through the world of retail innovation. With a keen eye on the future, Linda recounts her pioneering efforts in automated retail, including her pivotal role in expanding the billion-dollar Proactiv brand through cutting-edge technology long before AI became a buzzword. Her partnership with Guthrie Ranker and strategic use of kiosks underscore a career marked by visionary approaches that have revolutionized consumer engagement in the retail sector.   Our conversation with Linda dives into the nuances of modern retail strategies. We discuss the creative use of pop-up shops to test market waters and the critical importance of relationships in real estate negotiations. As a seasoned consultant, Linda offers a glimpse into the comprehensive services she provides, from crafting operational manuals to staff training, emphasizing the fluidity and adaptability required in today's retail landscape. The episode also explores the transformative role of AI in streamlining retail operations, with insights on managing inventory and enhancing customer interaction without losing the essential human touch.   Finally, we explore the art of crafting unforgettable retail experiences in a world where consumer behavior is constantly shifting. From hosting influencer events to creating engaging in-store experiences for tech-savvy Gen Z shoppers, every detail counts in capturing customer attention and loyalty. Linda emphasizes the value of personalized engagement, even as businesses navigate the challenges brought on by the pandemic. This episode offers a treasure trove of insights into the evolving dynamics of retail, making it an essential listen for anyone passionate about staying ahead in the industry.   CHAPTERS    (00:00) - Retail Innovations and Automated Vending (09:47) - Retail Branding and Strategy Discussions (15:14) - AI Implementation in Retail Success (27:28) - Creating Memorable Retail Experiences (31:55) - Enhancing Customer Experience With Human Touch (41:06) - Customer Experience and Brand Protection  

This week, the boys are back for a slightly special episode as they go over the "everything else" in reality TV. Together, they discuss all of the shows they haven't quite got around to debriefing on the podcast - including Genius Game (ITV), which they finally finish debriefing with special guest Ken Cheng, as well as The Apprentice, The Traitors NZ, Fortune Hotel, Devil's Plan, Survivor 48 and a small list of the shows they didn't watch, nor should you! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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What if your child's youth nights became adventures modeled after Book of Mormon heroes?On today's episode of Latter-day Lights, we're joined by Josh Chapman, a creative father of six from Ogden, Utah, who retired from his day job to create 'Nephi's Apprentice'.Nephi's Apprentice is a gospel-centered program that takes life skills like compass work, tool-making, and conflict resolution, and ties them directly to the stories and examples of Nephi and other Book of Mormon heroes. Designed to complement and work within the guidelines of the Church's new youth programs, it's a  Scouting-style adventure reimagined to build both confidence and testimony for both young men and young women.If you're a parent or leader looking for ready-to-run activities that are fun, meaningful, and spiritually powerful, you won't want to miss this conversation.*** Please SHARE Josh's story and help us spread hope and light to others. ***To WATCH this episode on YouTube, visit: https://youtu.be/iuk_U8--OYU-----To LEARN MORE about the Nephi's Apprentice program visit: https://youthforgedinfaith.com/To READ Scott's new book “Faith to Stay” for free, visit: https://www.faithtostay.com/-----Keep updated with us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/latter.day.lights/Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/latterdaylightsAlso, if you have a faith-promoting or inspiring story, or know someone who does, please let us know by going to https://www.latterdaylights.com and reaching out to us.#LDSPodcast #ChristianStories #LatterDayLights

We've all heard warning sirens in our lives—from our phones, our cars, or even the weather. But what do we do when a siren goes off in our culture? Join us as we explore how a small group of fishermen, tax collectors, and outcasts from 2,000 years ago can teach us the most powerful and effective response to the storms of our world today. It's a response that can't be bought, voted for, or Googled, but can absolutely change everything.

"I'm sorry, this is unhinged."One note - the early TSR RPG setting mentioned in this episode is Empire of the Petal Throne, not Empire of the Petal Moon as it was called at least once.Join us next month as we celebrate spooky season with that other master of 90s horror, Dean Koontz. We'll be discussing his 1992 novel, Hideaway.rereadersclub@gmail.com is available 24/7 for all your comment and complaint needs. Guaranteed 210 day reply time. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What If the CIA and Weyland-Yutani Merged? (Spoiler: Everyone Dies) This week on the podcast, Alien: Earth Episode 5 and Episodes 3 & 4 of The Terminal List: Dark Wolf reviews. Episode Index Intro: 0:07 Alien Earth: The Terminal List: Alien: Earth (FX/Hulu) Episode 5 – “In Space, No One…” Summary: A flashback shows the events that occurred on the Maginot starting seventeen days before it reached Earth. Junior security officer Clem wakes Morrow from cryosleep and tells him there has been a fire in one of the containment rooms. Two facehuggers have escaped and latched upon ship’s captain Dinsdale and science officer Bronski. Dinsdale dies from the facehugger’s acid blood when medical officer Rahim attempts to cut the tail from his neck. After being told by engineer Shmuel that the ship’s navigational systems were also damaged in the fire, Morrow concludes that a crew member has sabotaged the ship. Executive officer Zaveri assumes command of the ship, but Morrow threatens to relieve her if she does not prioritize the creatures above the crew. Bronski is placed in cryo-sleep to prevent the gestation of the Xenomorph, but this fails. In science officer Chibuzo’s lab, one leech specimen manages to open its test tube from the inside, and lays its larvae in her water bottle. Witnessing this, the Ocellus also escapes after Chibuzo fails to seal its containment vessel. Apprentice engineer Malachite drinks the water, and the larvae kill him from the inside; Chibuzo and Rahim are also killed by their defensive toxic gas when trying to extract them. Witnessing this, Zavari is in shock and Morrow relieves her of command. After being interrogated by Morrow, navigator Teng is killed by the fully-grown Xenomorph. Chief engineer Petrovich is revealed to be behind the sabotage at the order of Boy Kavalier, who promises him a hybrid body if the ship crashes in Prodigy territory. Petrovich kills Clem and is in turn killed by Morrow, who retreats to the control room and seals himself in. Zaveri is killed by the Xenomorph outside the door. With everyone dead, Morrow locks himself in the panic room and awaits the crash. Back in the present, Morrow meets with Yutani, offering to retrieve the specimens by force and kill Kavalier. Writer/Director: Written and directed by Noah Hawley Cast Highlights: Richa Moorjani (Zaveri), Sandra Yi Sencindiver (Yutani), Amir Boutrous (Rahim), Karen Aldridge (Chibuzo), Michael Smiley (Shmuel), Jamie Bisping (Malachite), Andy Yu (Teng), Max Rinehart (Bronski), Enzo Cilenti (Petrovich), Tom Moya (Clem). Air Date & Stats: Aired September 2, 2025, on FX and FX on Hulu. Duration: 64 minutes. Viewership: ~0.361 million households; 0.10 rating (18–49 demo). Style & Reception: Critics lauded its homages to Ridley Scott's original Alien, elevated tension, and emotional depth. Called a “banger” and “standout” bottle episode. Out of 5 In Space, No One… Hears You in the Loving Embrace of a Facehugger Darryl: 4.15/5 Brian: 4.28/5 The Terminal List: Dark (Amazon Prime) Episode 3 – “What’s Past Is Prologue” Summary: Vahid and Cyrus Rahimi attend a conference on the Iranian nuclear agreement in Geneva, and later meet with Minister Yousef Saedi. Farooq, Landry, and another CIA officer, Ish Reinhart, join Haverford’s team. Danawi’s phone shows he received $5 million in cryptocurrency to deliver to Balaz Molnar, a nuclear physics professor in Budapest. Texts come through from another number identified as Thana Haddad. Farooq questions her and discovers she is Danawi’s estranged daughter, but can’t bring himself to follow orders to kill her. Varon agrees not to tell the others after he confesses that, as a teenager, his sisters were raped by Uday Hussein, but he later helped the Americans in eliminating him. Edwards and Perash bond, but he becomes more estranged from his wife stateside. Impersonating Danawi, Farooq meets with Molnar and purchases proof of concept for proprietary bearings he is selling to Iran, which will enable them to still enrich uranium with the smaller number of centrifuges mandated by the nuclear deal. A third-party team tail Farooq after the meeting until he is extracted by Landry, and one kills Reinhart. Edwards has Varon cut CCTV and guns the man down on the Budapest Metro, taking a photo for identification before being extracted himself. Writer & Director: Directed by Liz Friedlander, written by Naomi Iizuka and Max Adams. Cast Highlights: Taylor Kitsch (Ben Edwards), Tom Hopper (Raife Hastings), Chris Pratt (James Reece), Rona‑Lee Shimon (Eliza Perash), Dar Salim (Mo Farooq), Rashidz Tzarfati (Tal Varon), Robert Wisdom (Jed Haverford), among others. Air Date: Premiered August 27, 2025 alongside Episodes 1 & 2. Episode 4 – “The Sound of the Guns” Summary: Hastings is contacted by a former Selous Scouts associate of his father, who confirms Haverford manages a long-term asset in Tehran codenamed Shepherd. Minister Saedi thanks Cyrus for his clandestine work, but Vahid begins to question their actions of putting nuclear weapons in the hands of such men. The team relocates to Munich, discovering the third party is the nuclear proliferation Khalid Network, working to move the bearings into Iran before the nuclear deal is finalised. Haverford plans to intercept the convoy in Geneva and swap Molnar's bearings for fakes, rendering Iran's new facility useless. He assures a suspicious Hastings that Shepherd’s intel is legitimate. Edwards and Perash kiss whilst scouting a location. Varon secures the fake bearings from Mossad agent Mordechai Ofer. Hastings becomes concerned about collateral damage with the convoy ambush plan and Edwards’ change in attitude. Edwards argues their current posting allows them to take real action compared to serving under military red tape. Haverford kills Molnar. Impersonating Austrian Federal Police, the team attacks the Khalid Network convoy and obtains the bearings, but are met by a large team of shooters on exfil. Farooq is injured and extracted by Landry. The Israelis betray the team, hacking Haverford's phone and stealing the bearings after incapacitating Edwards. Writer & Director: Directed by Liz Friedlander, written by Kenny Sheard. Air Date: Dropped September 3, 2025. Out of 10 Wood Chopping Like Steve Rogers in the Woods Darryl: 8.2/10 Brian: 7.88/10 Contact Us The Infamous Podcast can be found wherever podcasts are found on the Interwebs, feel free to subscribe and follow along on social media. And don't be shy about helping out the show with a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts to help us move up in the ratings. @infamouspodcast facebook/infamouspodcast instagram/infamouspodcast stitcher Apple Podcasts Spotify Google Play iHeart Radio contact@infamouspodcast.com Our theme music is ‘Skate Beat’ provided by Michael Henry, with additional music provided by Michael Henry. Find more at MeetMichaelHenry.com. The Infamous Podcast is hosted by Brian Tudor and Darryl Jasper, is recorded in Cincinnati, Ohio. The show is produced and edited by Brian Tudor. Subscribe today!

Recorded September 10, 2025 In this AAPC Social Hour, you'll hear the inspiring story of Melissa Hardy, CPC, COSC, as she shares her journey into healthcare and medical coding, also featured in the September issue of AAPC The Magazine. Following Melissa's interview, members of AAPC's National Advisory Board join a panel discussion on potential career paths and positions within healthcare that can help new coders remove their apprentice (CPC-A) status.

Join us for a fascinating exchange with Tim Herriage, the visionary CEO and founder of Turnus Lending, as he shares how he's transforming the fix-and-flip lending industry. Drawing inspiration from business luminaries Michael Gerber and Simon Sinek, Tim enlightens us on his innovative approach that places the customer's needs at the forefront and emphasizes deal-based lending. His insights offer a refreshing shift from traditional paradigms, promising both new and seasoned real estate investors a more inclusive and empowering financial landscape.   Explore the intriguing concept of shared ownership in real estate investment as we discuss Turnus's mission to create a customer-centric company. Inspired by Simon Sinek's golden triangle, Tim reveals how Turnus is fostering an engaged network of stakeholders by offering stock for loan payoffs and referrals. These strategies not only promote loyalty but also highlight the company's commitment to making money, generating passive income, and leaving a legacy. Join us as we navigate the intricacies of real estate financing evolution, with a spotlight on Turnus's unique offering of 100% financing for property purchases and rehabs.   As we wrap up, we delve into the crucial aspects of customer service and business growth strategies. Unravel the potential pitfalls of overcomplicated SOPs and discover the proactive measures necessary to maintain customer satisfaction. We also touch on the dynamic real estate markets in Florida and Texas, discussing strategic adjustments in response to fluctuating interest rates and public sentiment. Don't miss the exciting "Find, Fund, and Fix" event in Dallas, designed to streamline the process of financing and renovating properties, especially for new investors. Alongside insights on starting a business and securing capital, this episode is a treasure trove of knowledge for anyone looking to navigate the entrepreneurial world of real estate with confidence and foresight.   CHAPTERS    (00:00) - Entrepreneurial Insights in Realty Financing (13:33) - Shared Ownership in Real Estate Investment (18:55) - Evolution of Real Estate Financing (30:51) - Improving Customer Service and Revenue (39:14) - Real Estate Investment Strategy and Events (49:48) - Real Estate Adjustments Ahead (56:53) - Business Capital and Growth Strategies  

Ehhh kia ora e te homies! Here's what you missed on the show today: TEAM JEREMIAH OR CONRAD. Apprentice of the year on the show Nickson’s getting personalised plates? What’s the best fast food place for first dates? Fame used to catch pray mantis and make them fight. Tegs brings us unhinged mental hacks Shot for listening, From Eds (or Eric) xoxo

Get episodes without adverts at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠EasyStoriesInEnglish.com/Support⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Your support is appreciated! The king asks a clockmaker to repair an old magical clock. But when the clockmaker tries to repair the clock, nothing works... until he discovers a secret that will change his life. Go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠EasyStoriesInEnglish.com/Clockmaker⁠ for the full transcript. Level: Beginner. Genre: Romance. Vocabulary: Clockmaker, Ancestor, Repair, Ban, Apprentice, Gear, Rush, Symbol, Diary, Honesty, Secret. Setting: Fairytale. Word Count: 1753. Author: Ariel Goodbody. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Thunderstorms were raging across southern Germany as Elliot Williams was joined by Jenny List for this week's podcast. The deluge outside didn't stop the hacks coming though, and we've got a healthy smorgasbord for you to snack from. There's the cutest ever data cassette recorder taking a tiny Olympus dictation machine and re-engineering it with a beautiful case for the Commodore 64, a vastly overcomplex machine for perfectly cracking an egg, the best lightning talk timer Hackaday has ever seen, and a demoscene challenge that eschews a CPU. Then in Quick Hacks we've got a QWERTY slider phone, and a self-rowing canoe that comes straight out of Disney's The Sorcerer's Apprentice sequence. For a long time we've had a Field guide series covering tech in infrastructure and other public plain sight, and this week's one dealt with pivot irrigation. A new subject for Jenny who grew up on a farm in a wet country. Then both editors are for once in agreement, over using self-tapping screws to assemble 3D-printed structures. Sit back and enjoy the show!  

Evan B. Matthews is an LA-based director whose feature directorial debut “Motherland” comes out this month, we're recording in September 2025, in both theaters and VOD.Evan got his start under Mark Burnett, working on shows including Survivor, The Apprentice, An Inconvenient Truth, and The Hollow, among others; going on to produce the MTV Movie Awards. Today we get into how Evan went from meeting with an executive to landing his first feature film directing job in just one week, what he focused on during his pitch for this open directing assignment, and how to pivot out of reality-focused projects when pigeonholed and be taken seriously as a narrative director.KEEP UP WITH EVAN:IG: @evanbmatthewsKEEP UP WITH THE SHOW:All Platforms: @NoSetPathShowbio.site/NoSetPath

In July 2020, I wrote a blog post titled “I Want to Clone Myself” and I've fantasized about cloning as the solution to growing my business many times since then. I bet you have too. Being an entrepreneur means wearing many hats, especially in the early years, and most of those hats are unflattering and don't fit well. Enter serial entrepreneur and fellow ADHD-er, Will Christiansen, who has been called “The Tony Stark of Software” in the field of automation. In this fast-paced episode, Will and I unpack the challenges of scaling a business and how AI, automation, and what Will calls “top-tier human talent” are the elegant solution you may be looking for. If you've struggled with overcomplicated, clunky systems that slow you down and failed to find team members who match your drive, creativity, and commitment, this candid conversation is packed with practical strategies that move the needle and boost your bottom line. Guest BioWill Christiansen (he/him) is a systems thinker and automation expert who helps entrepreneurs take back their time and scale their business. Will is the founder of The Entrepreneur's Apprentice and host of Automation Hunter. He specializes in building teams and tech stacks that let visionary minds focus on what they do best. Will is also a champion of the “Automate, Delegate, Eliminate” approach and has a brilliant strategy for hiring “entrepreneurial apprentices” who help founders scale without burning out. Will's revolutionary“15-1-1-5” framework, which he developed to manage his own executive functioning challenges, is an ADHD-friendly alternative to traditional time management strategies. Episode HighlightsYou Don't Need a Clone—You Need Your Opposite: Will reveals that hiring someone just like you might double your chaos, not your output. The real solution? Find an apprentice or two who complements your weaknesses and excels where you struggle. Sometimes, your best partner is someone with a different brain!Automate, Delegate, Eliminate—In That Order: Learning to let go is harder than it looks, so start with identifying what can be automated (especially now that AI makes it easier than ever). Save your executive functioning and cognitive energy for the big, creative stuff rather than routine busywork.Equity and Ownership Breed Commitment: Want your team to “own” their work? Will recommends offering phantom equity to empower top-tier talent to act as “mini-CEOs.” This transforms their sense of responsibility and buy-in, leading to loyalty and drive you can't just hire for.Mentioned by our guest Automation Hunter YouTube ChannelEntrepreneur's ApprenticeKolbe Assessment RemoteWork.com Books referenced:The E-Myth by Michael GerberThe One Thing by Gary Keller & Jay PapasanBuy Back Your Time by Dan MartellThe 6 Types of Working Genius by Patrick LencioniNever Split the Difference by Chris VossWant to Find Out More?Will is offering a FREE 15-minute call for ADHD-ish listeners to jumpstart your “Automate, Delegate, Eliminate” journey. And if he doesn't blow your mind, he'll give you a $50 Amazon gift card. (Spoiler: it never

Michael Ruckman, founder and CEO of Senteo, takes us on a fascinating journey from aspiring medical student to influential global consultant with experience in over 40 countries. Join us as Michael shares his unique insights on the transformative power of AI in reshaping the business landscape, highlighting the concept of relationship currency. We explore his intriguing experiences, from navigating the Russian banking sector as an American expatriate to the nuances of living abroad, all peppered with Michael's signature humor and wisdom.   As businesses face the challenges of adapting to change, we dissect the roles people play in fostering innovation, from early adopters to laggards. Drawing from humor and everyday observations, such as the quirks of our personal habits like organizing gummy bears, we delve into the complexities of leadership and change management. The discussion transitions to remote work's impact, revealing the importance of understanding employee dynamics and the necessity of onstage versus offstage support in organizational transformations.   The conversation further explores the role of AI in customer interactions, stressing the importance of genuine empathy that AI often lacks. We highlight the evolution of business models from product-centric to customer-centric approaches and the significance of prioritizing customer relationships for long-term success. Through compelling case studies, we examine how companies can better utilize AI to enhance human interactions rather than replace them, fostering a future where technology meets the nuanced needs of human experiences. Prepare to be inspired as we navigate the ever-evolving world of business, AI, and the critical role of leadership in guiding impactful change.   CHAPTERS    (00:00) - Escape the Drift (09:28) - Navigating Change Leadership in Organizations (20:07) - AI Application in Business Context (23:52) - Customer Relationships in Business Strategy (31:08) - The Evolution of Business Models (39:08) - Customer-Centric Strategies and AI Development (43:39) - AI's Role in Human Experience (52:07) - Leadership and Change in Business (58:54) - Effective Leadership and Change Strategies  

Michael Hagedorn and apprentice Patch Clark talk about the past year, including the 2024 Pacific Bonsai Expo and garden anxieties while Michael was in Australia.

Catch the message Sharpened: An Apprentice To Invest In by Pastor Ben Stapley!A Timothy is someone behind you who needs your guidance. Someone you can encourage, teach and disciple as they grow. God shapes your faith not only through who mentors you, but also through who you mentor. Pouring into others keeps your faith alive and growing.

Lubna Zaidi joins The Winston Marshall Show for a fearless conversation on Islam in Britain, extremism, and the cultural crisis tearing the UK apart.From her rise as a YouTuber after The Apprentice to becoming a lightning rod for controversy, Lubna explains why she began calling out her own community for failing to integrate, excusing extremism, and protecting grooming gangs. She describes the backlash—death threats, intimidation, and even people turning up at her home—simply for speaking uncomfortable truths.They discuss the silence of so-called moderates, the dominance of extremist voices online, and the dangerous culture of denial around honour-based violence and child exploitation. Lubna warns that Britain is importing “hillbillies” from Pakistan without vetting, fuelling parallel societies that reject British values and put the country's future at risk.All this—grooming gangs, intimidation, failed integration, extremist apologists, and one woman's fight to tell the truth about what's really happening inside Britain's Pakistani Muslim community…Subscribe to Lubna's channel HERE: https://www.youtube.com/@Lubna.Candid-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------To see more exclusive content and interviews consider subscribing to my substack here: https://www.winstonmarshall.co.uk/-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------FOLLOW ME ON SOCIAL MEDIA:Substack: https://www.winstonmarshall.co.uk/X: https://twitter.com/mrwinmarshallInsta: https://www.instagram.com/winstonmarshallLinktree: https://linktr.ee/winstonmarshall----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Chapter 00:00 Introduction 01:21 Lubna Zaidi's Background and Journey to YouTube 04:00 Speaking Out: Breaking Points and Community Reactions 09:15 Cultural Clashes and Personal Experiences in the UK 19:24 Community Psychology and Reluctance to Address Issues 22:41 Pakistani Migration and Social Dynamics in the UK 27:18 Identity, Integration, and Celebrating Independence 31:18 Online Influencers and Community Representation 34:06 Religion, British Values, and Integration Challenges 40:19 India-Pakistan Tensions in the UK 47:10 Civil Unrest, Protests, and Fears of Division 51:36 Luton: Changes, Extremism, and Personal Encounters 56:13 Tommy Robinson: Perceptions and Changing Views 58:51 Patriotism, Self-Reflection, and the Israel-Palestine Conflict 01:02:09 Final Thoughts Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Before he entered politics, most Americans knew Donald Trump as an entertainer. As the host of the hit show “The Apprentice” he was catapulted to a new level of fame. That persona has carried over to Trump's political life as he embraces his role as entertainer-in-chief. In this term, unlike the first, Trump has taken aim at cultural institutions. He initiated a takeover of the Kennedy Center, has declared that Smithsonian exhibits must submit to White House scrutiny, and he's successfully sued – and won settlements from – multiple broadcasting giants.Throughout Trump's second term, he's dramatically expanded the authority of the executive branch. Now, he's using his power to reshape American culture. For sponsor-free episodes of Consider This, sign up for Consider This+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org. Email us at considerthis@npr.org.This episode was produced by Kai McNamee.It was edited by Courtney Dorning and Justine Kenin.Our executive producer is Sami Yenigun.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

Dr. Katherine Ramsland is a renowned professor of forensic psychology and criminal justice at DeSales University, and one of the most prolific authors in the true crime genre. She has written more than 70 books and over a thousand articles, exploring topics ranging from the minds of serial killers to the psychology of death investigations. She is also the executive producer of The Serial Killer's Apprentice (Investigation Discovery), which examines Elmer Wayne Henley Jr.'s involvement with Dean Corll, the notorious “Candyman Killer,” and is based on her book of the same name. Reality Life with Kate Casey What to Watch List: https://katecasey.substack.com Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/katecasey Twitter: https://twitter.com/katecasey Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/katecaseyca Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@itskatecasey?lang=en Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/113157919338245 Amazon List: https://www.amazon.com/shop/katecasey Like it to Know It: https://www.shopltk.com/explore/katecaseySee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Jess here! A while back, Sarina and KJ talked about how much they enjoyed Tess Gerritsen's novel, The Spy Coast, and Sarina reassured KJ she'd enjoy book two of the series even more. I had never read a Tess Gerritsen novel, and while I'd heard her name before and vaguely understood she wrote thrillers, I was starting from square one when I downloaded the audio version of The Spy Coast. Now, I'm not an international spy thriller kind of gal. In the abstract, I understand the allure of books like Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy or Six Days of the Condor. Spies! Intrigue! International [almost exclusively men] of mystery! But they have never really floated my proverbial boat. That said, I loved Tess Gerritsen's spies and the world they inhabit. There's a sense of place - nay, a downright LOVE of place - and a retiring, rural New England domesticity that spoke to this retiring, rural New England reader. Book two, The Summer Guests, is even more rooted in Maine, on its history and the social dynamics of its natives and its summer people. Once I tore through those first two books, I went back to Gerritsen's first book, The Surgeon, one of Time Magazine's top 100 thriller/mystery books of all time and the first in the Rizzoli & Isles series, consequently made into a long-running television series. Gerritsen has a fascinating career trajectory, lots to talk about regarding pantsing and plotting, where the ideas come from, and lots of other geeky details about the writing life. I hope you enjoy it as much as we did. Find Tess at Tessgerritsen.com, or on Bluesky, @TessGerritsen Transcript below!EPISODE 462 - TRANSCRIPTJennie NashHey everyone, it's Jennie Nash, founder and CEO of Author Accelerator, the company I started more than 10 years ago to lead the emerging book coaching industry. In October, we'll be enrolling a new cohort of certification students who will be going through programs in either fiction, nonfiction, or memoir, and learning the editorial, emotional, and entrepreneurial skills that you need to be a successful book coach. If you've been curious about book coaching and thinking that it might be something you want to do for your next career move, I'd love to teach you more about it, you can go to bookcoaches.com/waitlist to check out the free training I have—that's bookcoaches.com/waitlist. The training is all about how to make money, meaning, and joy out of serving writers. Fall is always a great time to start something new. So if you're feeling called to do this, go check out our training and see if this might be right for you. We'd love to have you join us.Multiple SpeakersIs it recording? Now it's recording, yay. Go ahead. This is the part where I stare blankly at the microphone. I don't remember what I'm supposed to be doing. All right, let's start over. Awkward pause. I'm going to rustle some papers. Okay, now—one, two, three.Jess LaheyHey, this is Jess Lahey, and this is the Hashtag AmWriting Podcast. This is the podcast about writing all the things—short things, long things, poetry, prose, narrative nonfiction, fiction, creative nonfiction, queries, proposals. This is the podcast about writing all the things. More than anything else, this is the podcast about the writing life and about getting the work done. I am Jess Lahey. I'm the author of The Gift of Failure and The Addiction Inoculation. And you can find my journalism at The Atlantic and The Washington Post, and my bi-weekly (formerly bi-weekly) column at The New York Times, The Parent-Teacher Conference, ran for about three years I am joined today by Sarina Bowen, who has written 50-odd books. She has written lots and lots of romance, and her most recent addition to the world of publishing has been her thrillers, Dying to Meet You and The Five Year Lie. And she has a book coming out this fall called Thrown for a Loop. The reason I am recording this intro on my own—which, as you may know if you've been listening, is highly unusual for us—is because I know myself. And I know when I'm really excited to talk to someone on the podcast; I'm going to flub the intro. I'm going to forget something. I'm going to forget to introduce them altogether. So today, I'm doing that first, so I don't mess it up. A while ago on the podcast, you may have heard Sarina and KJ read some books by an author named Tess Gerritsen. I had heard of Tess Gerritsen, but I had never read any of her books. I just hadn't yet. I haven't read Nora Roberts yet. I haven't read—there are lots of authors I haven't read yet. And sometimes you don't even know where to start. So when Sarina and KJ recommended Tess Gerritsen's new series set in Maine—the first one being The Spy Coast and the second one being The Summer Guests—I figured I had a good place to start. And you know, as a New Englander, I love a good book about New England, and that was the start of my interest in Tess Gerritsen's work. I have gone back to the beginning and started with her book The Surgeon, which was her first book in the series that became the Rizzoli and Isles Series, as well as a television show. Tess Gerritsen has a—she's written through 33 books at this point. And as I now know, she has also directed a documentary called Magnificent Beast about pigs, which I listened to this morning while I was vacuuming the house. I loved it. She also—she has a lot to say about genre, about publishing, about second careers, about a writing place, and about process. So let's just jump right into it. I am so excited to introduce to you today, Tess Gerritsen. So from the perspective of what our listeners love—this podcast, the Hashtag AmWriting Podcast —is super geek. People who love the nuts and bolts and the dorky details of the writing life. Sarina has a past life in finance, and so she tends to be, like, our “no, but let's talk about the numbers” kind of person. I'm just the research super dork, which is why I spent my morning watching your documentary about pigs.Tess GerritsenOh my god! (Laughing)Jess LaheyMagnificent Beast. I—I've joked in the past that if I could, I would probably just research things in—in, you know, maybe there'll be a book out there, maybe there won't, but I would research things and—and just learn as much as I could. And so I loved—loved—your Magnificent Beast documentary. I thought it was fantastic. But one of the reasons that we wanted to talk to you, just from the very beginning, is that we feel like you do some pretty incredible world-building and relationship-building with your places and your characters. And so I just—I would love to start there, mainly with the idea of starting with the real nuts and bolts stuff, which is, like, what does an average writing day look like for you? And how do you, sort of—how do you set that up? What does it look like, if you have an average writing day? Maybe you don't.Tess GerritsenWell, it's hard to describe an average writing day, because every day is—there are days when you sit at your desk and you just, you know, pull your hair. And there are days when you get distracted by the news. And there are many days when I just do not want to write. But when I'm writing, the good days are when my characters are alive and talking to me. And it's—it's—you talked about world-building and character-building. That is really key to me. What are they saying to me? Can I hear their voices? And it sounds a little—a little crazy, because I am hearing voices. But it's those voices that really make characters come alive.Jess LaheyI—You have said in other interviews that you are very much—sorry to those of you who hate the terms—that you are very much a pantser. And you are sitting on this interview with a consummate plotter. Sarina is our consummate plotter. So could you talk a little bit about how those character—how those voices—influence, you know, the pantsing of the—of the book, and—and how that works for you?Tess GerritsenWell, I mean, it is weird that I am a pantser. And it's funny—I think that people who are plotters tend to be people who are in finance or in law, because they're used to having their ducks lined up, you know. They—they want everything set up ahead of time, and it makes them feel comfortable. And I think a large part of becoming a pantser is learning to be comfortable with unpredictability. Learning to just let things happen, and know you're going to take wrong turns, know you're going to end up in blind alleys—and yet just keep on forging ahead and change direction. So I suppose that what helps me become a pantser, as I said, is hearing a character's voice. If, for instance, when I wrote The Spy Coast, the first thing I heard about that book was Maggie Bird's voice. And she just said, “I'm not the woman I used to be.” And that's an opening there, right? Because you want to find out, Maggie, who did you used to be? And why do you sound so sad? So a lot of it was just—just getting into her head and letting her talk about what a day-to-day life is, which is, you know, raising chickens and collecting eggs and becoming—and being—a farmer. And then she does something surprising in that very first chapter. There's a fox that's killing her chickens, so she grabs her rifle and kills it with one shot. And that opens up another thing, like—how are you, a 62-year-old woman, able to take out a rifle and kill a fox with one shot? So it's—it's those things. It's those revelations of character. When they come out and they tell you something, or they show you they—they have a skill that you weren't aware of, you want to dig deeper and find out, you know, where did they get that skill?Sarina BowenAnd that is a really fun way to show it. I mean, you're talking today with two people who have also kept chickens.Multiple Speakers(All laughing)Jess LaheyAnd had foxes take their chickens, actually.Sarina BowenOh yes, because the two go together.Tess GerritsenYes.Sarina BowenBut yes, I admit I have never shot a fox, and maybe wouldn't.Jess LaheyI have yelled very loudly at a fox, and he actually—I have to say—really mad respect for the fox, because he took one look at me—he did drop the chicken that I was yelling at him for grabbing—and then he went across the street, around the neighbor's house, around the back of the other neighbor's house, and came at the exact same chicken from the other side of the house, where I couldn't see him out the window.Tess GerritsenOh, they are so smart. They are so smart.Jess LaheySo smart. Sarina, it sounded like you had something— you had something you wanted to add, and I interrupted you when we were talking about pantsing and we were talking about world-building and characters speaking to you.Sarina BowenWell, I just had thought that it was a lovely moment to explain why I was so excited to read this book after I heard Tess speak at Thriller Fest 2024, in a packed room where there was nowhere to sit except on the floor. You told the audience a little bit of a story from your real life that—that made you want to write that book. And I wonder if you could tell us what that was, because for me—I mean, we were only five minutes into your talk, and I'm like, oh, I'm—I'm going to download that tonight.Tess GerritsenWell, yes, it was. A lot of my books come from ideas that I've been stewing over for years. I have a folder called the ideas folder. It's an actual physical manila folder. And if I see something in an article or a newspaper or a magazine, I'll just rip it out and stick it in there, and it sometimes takes a long time before I know how to turn this into a book. So the idea for The Spy Coast is a little bit of obscure knowledge that I learned 35 years ago, when I first moved to Maine. My husband is a medical doctor. He opened up a practice, and when he would bring in new patients, he would always get an occupational history. And he used to get this answer—this very strange answer—from his new patients. They would say, “I used to work for the government, but I can't talk about it.” And after he heard that three times, he thought, what town did we land in? And who are these people? And we later found out that on our very short street, on one side of us was a retired OSS person, and on the other side was retired CIA. A realtor told us that our town was full of CIA retirees. So, I mean, of course you want to ask, why did they get here? What are they doing here? What are their lives like? I knew there was a book in there, but I didn't know what that book was. I needed 35 years to come up with the idea. And what I really needed to do was become old and—and realize that as you get older, especially women, we become invisible. People don't pay attention to us. We are over the hill. You know, everybody looks at the young, pretty chicks, but once you start getting gray hair, you fade into the background. And with that experience myself; I began to think more and more about what it's like to be retired. What is it like to be retired from a job that was maybe dangerous, or exciting, or something that you really risked your life to—to achieve? So that was—that was the beginning of The Spy Coast. What happens to CIA retirees—especially women—who are now invisible? But that makes them the best spies of all.Jess LaheyYeah, and we have—we did this really cool thing, this really fun thing for us on the Hashtag AmWriting Podcast. It's like a supporter-only thing, where we call First Pages, where very brave authors—very brave writers—submit their first page to us, and we talk about it and decide whether or not we'd want to turn the page. And you have an incredible skill on your first pages. You're very, very good at first pages. And I was thinking about The Summer Guests, that you had this wonderful line that I'm going to read now:Purity, Maine, 1972. On the last day of his life, Purity police officer Randy Pelletier ordered a blueberry muffin and a cup of coffee at the Marigold Café,Which immediately reminded me of my very, very favorite line from all of literature—my very favorite first line—which is Irving's first line from A Prayer for Owen Meany, in which he ruins the story for you right there in the first line:I am doomed to remember a boy with a wrecked voice—not because of his voice, or because he was the smallest person I ever knew, or even because he was the instrument of my mother's death, but because he is the reason I believe in God.There is this incredible power to first lines. And I'm sort of wondering where—how first lines happen for you. Do they happen first? Do they happen last? Do they happen along the way?Tess GerritsenFirst lines usually happen last. I—it's—I will write the whole book, and I'll think, something's missing in that first chapter. How do I open this up? And, you know, there are things that make lines immediately hypnotic, and one of those things is an inherent contradiction—something that makes you think, wait, okay, you start off this way, but then all of a sudden, the meaning of that line switches. So, yeah, it starts off with, you know, this guy's going to die. But on that last day of his life, he does something very ordinary. He just orders coffee at the local café. So I think it's that contradiction that makes us want to read more. It's also a way to end chapters. I think that—that if you leave your reader with a sense of unease—something is about to go wrong, but they don't know what it is yet—or leave them with an unanswered question, or leave them with, as I said, a contradiction—that is what's page-turning. I think that a lot of thriller writers in particular mistake action for—for being—for being interesting. A car chase on the page is really very boring. But what's interesting is something that—you could feel that tension building, but you don't know why.Sarina BowenI have joked sometimes that when I get stuck on a plot, sometimes I will talk at my husband and—and say, “you know, I'm stuck here.” And he always says, “And then a giant squid attacked.” And it—of course I don't write books that take place where this is possible, so—but it never fails to remind me that, like, external action can sometimes be just, you know, totally pointless. And that if you're stuck, it's because one of your dominoes isn't leaning, you know, in the right spot. So...Tess GerritsenYeah, it's—it's not as much fun seeing that domino fall as seeing it go slowly tilting over. You know, I really learned this when I was watching a James Bond movie. And it starts off—you know, the usual James Bonds have their cold open to those action and chasing and death-defying acts. I found that—I find that really, in that movie anyway—I was like, Ho hum. Can we get to the story? And I found the time when I was leaning forward in my theater seat, watching every moment, was really a very quiet conversation aboard a train between him and this woman who was going to become his lover. That was fascinating to me. So I think that that transfers to book writing as well. Action is boring.Jess LaheyYou and Sarina do something that I feel, as a writer; I would probably not be very good at, which is creating that unease. I—Sarina in particular does this thing... I've read every one of Sarina's books, as a good friend is supposed to do. And I text her, and I say, Why don't they just talk about it and just deal? Get it out in the open! And she's like, you know, we just got to make these people uncomfortable. And you both have this incredible talent for helping—keeping the reader, uh, along with you, simply because there is this sense of unease. We're slightly off-kilter the whole time. And yet in me, as a people pleaser, that makes me very uncomfortable. I want people to be happy with each other. So how do you—if you get to a place where you feel like maybe things aren't off-kilter enough, or things aren't off-balance enough—how do you introduce a little bit of unease into your—into your story?Tess GerritsenWell, I think it comes down to very small points of conflict—little bits of tension. Like, we call it micro-tension. And I think those occur in everyday life all the time. For instance, you know, things that happen that really don't have any big consequence, but are still irritating. We will stew about those for—for a while. And, you know, I used to write romance as well, so I understand entirely what Sarina is doing, because romance is really about courtship and conflict. And it's the conflict that makes us keep reading. We just—we know this is the courtship. So there's always that sense of it's not quite there, because once the characters are happy, the story is over, right?Sarina BowenYeah.Multiple Speakers(All laughing)Sarina BowenAlso, writing the ends of romance novels is the least interesting part. Like, what...? Once the conflict is resolved, like, I cannot wait to get out of there.Tess GerritsenRight, exactly. You know, I—I pay attention to my feelings when I'm reading a book, and I've noticed that the books that I remember are not the books with happy endings, because happiness is so fleeting. You know, you can be happy one second, and then something terrible will happen. You'll be unhappy. What lasts for us is sadness, or the sense of bittersweet. So when I read a book that ends with a bittersweet ending—such as, you know, Larry McMurtry Lonesome Dove—I ended up crying at the end of that book, and I have never forgotten that ending. Now, if everybody had been happy and there had been nobody to drag all those miles at the end, I would have forgotten that book very quickly. So I think—I try—I always try to leave the end of the book either bittersweet—I mean, you want to resolve all the major plot points—but also leave that sense of unease, because people remember that. And it also helps you, if you have a sequel.Sarina BowenThat's so interesting you've just brought up a couple of really interesting points, because there is a thriller—I actually write suspense now—and one of the books that so captured my attention about five years ago was killing it on the charts. And I thought it was actually a terrible book, but it nailed the bittersweet ending. Like, the premise was solid, and then the bittersweet ending was perfect, and the everything between the first chapter and the last chapter was a hot mess, but—but—um, that ending really stuck with me. And I remember carrying it around with me, like, Wow, they really nailed that ending. You know, and—and maybe that has, like, legs in terms of, like, talking about it. And, you know, if it—if—if it's irritating enough, like, the tension is still there—enough to, like, make people talk about it—it could actually affect the performance of that book. But also, um, one thing that I really love about this series—you have—what is the series title for the...?Tess GerritsenMartini—The Martini Club.Sarina BowenThe Martini Club, right? So The Martini Club is two books now. I inhaled the first one last summer, and I inhaled the second one this summer. And The Martini Club refers to this group of friends—these retired spies. And of course, there are two completely different mysteries in book one and book two. And I noticed a couple of things about the difference between those mysteries that was really fun. So in the first case—or in one of the two cases, let's see—in one of them, the thing that happens in their town is actually, like, related to them. And in the other one, it's kind of not. So to me, that felt like a boundary expansion of your world and your system. But also, I just love the way you leaned into the relationship of these people and their town in such a way. And how did you know to do that? Like, how—what does your toolbox say about how to get that expansiveness in your character set? Like, you know, to—to find all the limits of it?Tess GerritsenThat—you know, so much is like—it's like asking a pole-vaulter how they do it. They just—they have just—I guess its muscle memory. You don't really know how you're doing it, but what I did know was—with age, and because I love these characters so much—it really became about them and about what is going to deepen their friendship? What kind of a challenge is going to make them lean into each other—lean on each other? That's really what I was writing about, I think, was this circle of friends, and—and what you will do, how much you will sacrifice, to make sure your friends are safe. No, you're right—the second book is much more of a classic mystery. Yeah—a girl disappears. I mean, there was—there were—there were CIA undertones in that, because that becomes an important part of the book. But I think that what people are—when people say they love this book—they really talk about the characters and that friendship. And we all want friends like this, where we can go and—and—and have martinis together, and then if we—one of us needs to—we'll go help them bury a body.Multiple Speakers(All laughing)Tess GerritsenThat's—they all have shovels, and they're willing to do it. That's the kind of friendship—friends—we want.Jess LaheyWell, and that's funny you mention that—I had an entire question—it wasn't even a question, it was a statement—in here about friendships and being grateful to you for the reminder about the importance of relationships. And this entire podcast was born out of the fact that we were talking writing all the time, and we just wanted an official way to sit down once a week and actually talk about the work. And your work is suffused with just these incredible relationships—whether that's the Rizzoli and Isles—you know, in your first—in the one of your other series—and I'm just—I'm very grateful for that, because we—especially—I think I re—I really crave books about female relationships, especially about older female relationships. And I have been loving your books, and I've—like, as I may have mentioned to you in my initial email—I had—I'm so sorry—never read your books before. And I admitted in the introduction that there are lots of very, very famous authors whose books I have never read. And it's always so exciting to me to dive into someone's series and realize, oh, this person really touches on themes that mean a lot to me, and I can already tell that I'm going to be enjoying a lot of their books to come forward. So thank you for all of the great descriptions of relationships and how we do rely on each other for various aspects of just how we get through all of this stuff.Tess GerritsenYeah—get through life. But you know what's funny about it is that it didn't start that way. For instance, let's go back to Rizzoli and Isles. The very first time they both appear in a book is in The Apprentice. And they don't start off being friends. They start off being—they're so different. As the TV producer once said, “you've really written about Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock.” That's okay—they are—in the books. They are not natural friends. But like real-life friendships, sometimes—just kind of develop slowly, and—and they have their ups and downs. So there are times when—when Jane and Maura are barely speaking to each other because of conflicts they have. But by the time book twelve comes around—or maybe book seven comes around—you know that they would risk their lives for each other. So I think that if you're writing a series like Rizzoli and Isles, or like The Martini Club, it really helps to develop the friendship on the fly and see how they react to certain stresses. The next book, which I just turned in, called The Shadow Friends—it even put—pushes them even further, and it really—it really strains a marriage, because it's—it's more about Ingrid, and an old lover comes back into her life. She used to—they were both spies—and he is, like, hot, hot, hot—Antonio Banderas kind of guy. And here's Ingrid, married to Lloyd, you know, who's just a sweet analyst who cooks dinner for her every night. And I—when I was coming up with that story, I thought, I want to write a book about their marriage. So it wasn't—the plot wasn't about, oh, you know, international assassinations, even though that does occur in the book. It's really about the story of a marriage.Jess LaheyAnd it gives you, it gives you added unease. You know, if you have your two characters not speaking to each other, and you know your readers love those characters and crave those characters to be getting along at some point, then that's just another reason that we're following along. I was just thinking about, uh, Michael Connelly, uh, book the other day, because I really, really like the series he did with Renée Ballard and her relationship with the Bosch character, and how that series is totally about crime, but yet it's also very much about the relationship. And I think I follow—I continue to read those because of the relationship between those two human beings, and less so because of the murder mystery sort of stuff.Tess GerritsenI think it really becomes important if you're dealing also with Hollywood television series. I still remember what the producer first said when he called me up about Rizzoli and Isles. He said, "I love your girls, and I think they belong on TV.” He didn't say, I love your plots. He didn't say, I love your mysteries, you know, all your intricate ups and downs. It was really about the girls. So if you hope to sell to a television series, really, it's about characters again.Jess LaheyAbsolutely.Sarina BowenI was going to ask about longevity, because you have so many books, and you're so obviously still invigorated by the process, or there wouldn't be a book three that you just turned in. So how have you been able to avoid just being sick to death of—of writing suspense novel after suspense novel?Tess GerritsenI refused. That's what it is. You know, I—I don't—I guess I could say that I have a little bit of ADHD when it comes to—to the books I write. I cannot—after 13 books of Rizzoli and Isles, I just had a different idea. And it takes—it takes a certain amount of backbone to say no to your publisher, to your editor, to people who are going, well, when's the next one in this series coming out? And to be able to say, I need a break. I need to do something completely different. So over—how many years I've been a writer—almost 40 now—I've written science fiction and historicals and a ghost story and romantic suspense and spy novels and medical thrillers and crime novels. I've been all over the place, but each one of those books that took me out of what I was expected to do was so invigorating. It was a book that I needed to write. As an example, I wrote a book called Playing with Fire. Nobody wanted that book. Nobody expected that book. It was a historical about World War II, and about music—about the power of music—and having to do with the death camps. I remember my publisher going, "What are you doing?" And, you know, it's—it's true—they're—they—they are marketers, and they understood that that book would not sell as well, and it didn't. But it still remains one of my favorite books. And when you want to write a book, you need to write that book. That's all—even—even if nobody wants it.Jess LaheyI actually was—I'm so pleased that this came up, because that was actually going to be my question, because both you and Sarina have done this—done, you know, 90 degrees—whether it's out of, you know, one genre into another—and that, to me, requires an enormous amount of courage. Because you know you have people expecting things from you. And you in particular, Tess, have people saying, "No, I want the next one. I love this relationship. I want the next one." And—and dealing—you're not just dealing with the disappointment of whether it's an agent or an editor, but the disappointment of fans. And that's a pressure as well. So when I used to do journalism, I remember a question I asked of another journalist was, "How do you continue to write without fear of the comment section?" And essentially, for us, that's our—you know, those are our readers. So how do you find that thing within yourself to say, no, this really is the thing that I need to be writing now?Tess GerritsenWell, that is a really—it's a really tough decision to buck the trend or buck what everybody's expecting, because there's a thing in publishing called the death spiral. And if your book does not sell well, they will print fewer copies for the next one. And then that won't sell well. So you start—your career starts to go down the drain. And that is a danger every time you step out of your tried and true series and do something out of—you know, completely out of the ordinary. I think the reason I did it was that I really didn't give a damn. It was—it was like, Okay, maybe this will kill my career, but I've got to write this book. And it was always with the idea that if my publisher did not want that, I would just self-publish. I would just, you know, find another way to get it out there. And I—I was warned, rightly so, that your sales will not be good for this book, and that will—it will hurt the next contract. And I understood that. But it was the only way I could keep my career going. Once you get bored, and you're—you're trapped in a drawer, I think it shows up in your writing.Jess LaheyI had this very conversation with my agent. The—my first book did well. And so then, you know, the expectation is, I'll write like part two of that, or I'll write something for that exact same audience again. And when I told my agent—I said, "You know, this book on substance use prevention and kids—I—it's—I have to write it. And I'm going to write it even, you know, if I have to go out there and sell it out of the trunk of my car." And she said, "Okay, then I guess we're doing this." And yes...Tess Gerritsen(Laughing) They had their best wishes at heart.Jess LaheyAnd honestly, I love—I loved my book that did well. But The Addiction Inoculation is the book I'm most proud of. And, you know, that's—yeah, that's been very important to me.Tess GerritsenI often hear from writers that the book that sold the fewest copies was one that was—were their favorites. Those are the ones that they took a risk on, that they—I mean, they put their heart and soul into it. And maybe those hurt their careers, but those are the ones that we end up being proud of.Jess LaheyI like to remind Sarina of that, because I do remember we text each other constantly. We have a little group, the three of us, a little group text all day long. And there was—I remember when she first wrote a male-male romance, she was scared. She was really scared that this was going to be too different for her readers. And it ended up being, I think, my favorite book that she's ever written, and also a very important book for her in terms of her career development and growth, and what she loves about the work that she does. And so I like to remind her every once in a while, remember when you said that really scared you and you weren't sure how your readers were going to handle it?Sarina BowenRight? Well, I also did that in the middle of a series, and I went looking for confirmation that that is a thing that people did sometimes, and it was not findable. You know, that was...Jess LaheyWhat? Change things up in terms of—change things up in the middle of a series?Sarina BowenIn the middle of a series. And anyway, that book still sells.Tess GerritsenThat is a great act of courage, but it's also an act of confidence in yourself as a writer. There are ways to do it. I think some writers will just adopt a different pen name for something that's way out there.Jess LaheyIt's funny you should say... it's funny you should say that.Sarina BowenWell, no, and I never have done that, but, um—but anyway, yeah, that's hard. I, uh...Jess LaheyYeah.Sarina BowenIt's hard to know. Sometimes...Jess LaheyWe entertain it all the time. We do talk about that as an option all the time. Shouldn't we just pick up and do something completely different? One of the things that I also—I mentioned at the top of the podcast about, you know, you went off—not only have you done lots of different things in terms of your writing—but you went off and you did an entire documentary about pigs. I have—I have to ask you where on earth that came from and why. And it is a total delight, as I mentioned, and I have already recommended it to two people that I know also love the topic. But, you know, to go off—and especially when you usually, as some of us have experienced—our agents saying, so when am I going to see more pages? or when am I going to see the next book? And you say, I'm really sorry, but I have to go off and film this documentary about pigs.Tess GerritsenYes. Well, you know, I was an anthropology major in college, and I've always been interested in the pig taboo. You know, back then, everybody just assumed it was because, yeah, it was disease or they're dirty animals—that's why they're forbidden food. It never quite convinced me, because I'm Chinese-American. Asia—you know, Asia loves pork. Why aren't they worried about all that? So I was in Istanbul for a book tour once, and I remember I really wanted bacon, and, you know, I couldn't get bacon. And then I thought, okay, I really need to find out why pork is forbidden. This is a—this is a cultural and historical mystery that never made sense to me. The explanations just never made sense to me. It cannot be trichinosis. So I told my son that—my son is—he does—he's a filmmaker as well. And he just said, "Well, let's do it. Let's—we will pose it as a mystery," because it is a mystery. So it took us probably two years to go and—you know, we interviewed anthropologists and pet pig owners and archaeologists, actually, just to find out, what do they say? What is the answer to this? And to us, the answer really just came down to this cultural desire for every—every tribe—to define us versus them. You know, they eat pigs. They're not us, so therefore they're the enemy. And it was fascinating because we—we ended up finding out more about pigs than I was expecting, and also finding out that people who have pet pigs can sometimes be a little unusual.Jess LaheyAnd the people who purchase the clothes for the pigs are also crazy.Tess GerritsenYes. Sew outfits for their pigs and sleep with their pigs. And there was—there was one woman who had—she slept on the second floor of her house, so she had an elevator for her pig who couldn't make it up the stairs, and, you know, ramps to get up onto the bed because they've gotten so fat—they've been overfed. But it was—for me, at the heart of it was a mystery.Jess LaheyAs a nonfiction author whose whole entire reason for being is, "I don't know—let's find out," I think that's just the most delightful thing. And I loved your framing as, "I don't know, we have this question, let's go out there and just ask people about it and find the experts." And that's—oh, I could just live on that stuff. So...Tess GerritsenSo could I. You know, research is so enticing. It's enticing. It is—it can get you into trouble because you never write your book. Some of us just love to do the research.Jess LaheySarina actually has taken skating lessons, done glass blowing—what else have you done? Yoga classes and all—all kinds of things in the pursuit of knowledge for her characters. And I think that's a delight.Sarina BowenYes. If you can sign up for a class as part of your research, like, that is just the best day. Like, you know, oh, I must take these ice skating lessons twice a day for five months, because—yeah—or twice a week, but still.Tess GerritsenYou must be a good ice skater then.Sarina BowenI'm getting better.Tess GerritsenSo you never gave them up, I see.Jess LaheyWell, it's fun because she usually writes about hockey, but she has a figure skater coming up in this book that's coming out this fall. And she's like, "Well, I guess I'm just going to have to learn how to figure skate."Tess GerritsenYeah.Sarina BowenI also—one time I went to see Rebecca Skloot speak about her big nonfiction The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks.Tess GerritsenOh, okay.Sarina BowenAnd she said that all her best ideas had come from moments in her life when she went, "Wait, what?!"Tess GerritsenYes. Yep.Sarina BowenIncluding for The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks. Like, she learned about the cells in high school—she was in high school biology class—and the teacher said, like, "This woman died in the '60s, but we're still using her cells," and she said, "Wait, what?!" And that's—that's what you made me think of with the pigs. Like, I think...Jess LaheyWell, and also your folder of ideas. I mean, I immediately texted Sarina after listening to a podcast where I heard an ad, and the ad made me go, "Oh that could be creepy." And then I'm like, "Okay, this is—this is a plot. This is going in the folder somewhere." And so you have to just think about how those things could unfold over time. And I love the idea of—and even in journalism—there are articles that I've written where I said, this just isn't their time. And then, like, five years later, I'll hear something out there, and I'm like, okay, finally, it's the time for this thing. And there's a reason you put that article in your idea—in your paper—manila folder of ideas.Tess GerritsenWell, I think writers are—we have to be curious. We have to be engaged in what's going on around us, because the ideas are everywhere. And I have this—I like to say I have a formula. It's called "two plus two equals five." And what that means is, sometimes you'll have a—you'll have a piece of information that, you know, there's a book here, but you haven't figured out what to do with it. And you wait for another piece of information from some completely different source, and you put them together, and they end up being like nuclear fusion—bigger than the…Sarina BowenYes!Jess LaheyYes!Tess GerritsenSome of the parts.Sarina BowenMost every book I've ever written works like that. Like, I have one idea that I drag around for, like, five years, and then I have this other idea, and one day I'm like, oh, those two things go together.Tess GerritsenYep.Jess LaheyYeah, absolutely. I think Stephen King mentioned that about Carrie. I think it was like, telekinesis, and that usually starts about the time of menstruation, and it was like, boom, there was Carrie. You know, those two things came together. I love that so much. So you mentioned that you have just handed in your next book, and we don't—we do not, as a rule, ask about what's next for an author, because I find that to be an incredibly intimidating and horrifying question to be asked. But I would love to hear; you know, is this—is this series one that you hope to continue working on? The main series, mainly because we have quite fallen in love with your little town in Maine—in Purity, Maine. Fantastic name for your town, by the way. It's really lovely. It creates such a nice dichotomy for these people who have seen and heard things during their careers that maybe are quite dark, and then they retire to a place called Purity. Is this a place where we can hopefully spend a little bit of time?Tess GerritsenWell, I am thinking about book number four now. I have an idea. You know, it always starts with—it starts with an idea and doodling around and trying to figure out what—you know, you start with this horrible situation, and then you have to explain it. So that's where I am now. I have this horrible situation, I have to explain it. So, yeah, I'm thinking about book four. I don't know how—you never know how long a series is going to go. It's a little tough because I have my characters who are internationally based—I mean, they've been around the world—but then I can't leave behind my local cop who is also a part of this group as well. So I have to keep an eye out on Maine being the center of most of the action.Sarina BowenRight, because how many international plots can you give Purity, Maine?Tess GerritsenThat's right, exactly. Well, luckily…Jess LaheyLook, Murder, She Wrote—how many things happened to that woman in that small town?Tess GerritsenExactly, exactly. Well, luckily, because I have so many CIA retirees up here, the international world comes to us. Like the next book, The Shadow Friends, is about a global security conference where one of the speakers gets murdered. And it turns out we have a global security conference right here in our town that was started by CIA 40 years ago. So I'm just—I'm just piggybacking on reality here. And—not that the spies up here think that's very amusing.Sarina BowenThat is fantastic, because, you know, the essential problem of writing a suspense novel is that you have to ground it in a reality that everyone is super familiar with, and you have to bring in this explosive bit of action that is unlikely to happen near any of us. And those two things have to fit together correctly. So by, um, by putting your retired spies in this tiny town, you have sort of, like, gifted yourself with that, you know, precise problem solver.Tess GerritsenYeah, reminding us.Sarina BowenYeah.Tess GerritsenBut there's only so far I can take that. I'm not sure what the limits... I think book four is going to take them all overseas, because my local cop, Jo, she's never been out of the country—except for Canada—and it's time for her dad to drag her over to Italy and say, "Your dead mom wanted to come to Italy, so I'm taking you." And, of course, things go wrong in Italy for Jo.Jess LaheyOf course, of course. Well, we're going to keep just banging on about how much we love these books. I think we've already mentioned it in three podcast episodes so far in our “What have you been reading lately that you've really loved?” So we're—we're big fans. And thank you so much for sitting down to talk with us and to—you know, one of the whole points of our podcast is to flatten the learning curve for other authors, so we hope that that's done a little bit of that for our listeners. And again, thank you so much. Where can people find you and your work if they want to learn a little bit more about Tess Gerritsen—her work?Tess GerritsenYou can go to TessGerritsen.com, and I try to post as much information there as I can. But I'm also at Bluesky, @TessGerritsen, and what is now called “X”—a legacy person on X—@TessGerritsen, yes.Jess LaheyThank you so, so much again. 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In this episode of Zone 7, CSI Sheryl McCollum welcomes back Dr. Katherine Ramsland and Tracy Ullman to discuss the release of their documentary The Serial Killer’s Apprentice. This two-hour film revisits the chilling case of Elmer Wayne Henley Jr. and Dean Corll, blending archival footage, exclusive interviews, and rare audio recordings. Dr. Ramsland and Ullman share behind-the-scenes insights on producing the documentary. They reveal what has surfaced since the book’s release, and why this case, rooted in grooming, complicity, and trafficking, continues to offer powerful lessons today. Resources: Zone 7 Part I The Serial Killer's Apprentice | The Story of Elmer Wayne Henley Jr. Zone 7 Part II How to Prevent Young People From Falling Victim to Predatory Criminals The Serial Killer's Apprentice How to Catch a Killer The Mind of a Murderer: A Glimpse into the Darkest Corners of the Human Psyche, from a Leading Forensic Psychiatrist John Wayne Gacy: Devil in Disguise The Serial Killer’s Apprentice documentary is now streaming on HBO Max (Originally aired on Investigation Discovery (ID) on August 17, 2025) Highlights: (0:00) Sheryl kicks off Zone 7 with Dr. Katherine Ramsland and Tracy Ullman, introducing The Serial Killer’s Apprentice documentary (2:00) How the documentary expands on the book with new interviews, archival footage, and Henley’s own voice (4:00) Condensing the sprawling Dean Corll case into a two-hour film without losing depth (8:45) “Corll picked two adolescent boys to do his dirty work for him.” – Dr. Ramsland on how predators groom children into crimes (11:00) The purpose of the documentary: helping parents, teachers, and kids recognize signs of grooming and recruitment (12:45) The Devil’s Den murders and how predators hide in plain sight (17:15) Henley’s cries for help that were ignored, and how the film reframes him as both victim and accomplice (22:15) Tracy Ullman urges viewers to move beyond the old “fixed villain” narrative, while Henley confronts the reality of being part of a trafficking network and how it reshaped his view of guilt and remorse (32:00) Henley’s evolving understanding of his role, his remorse, and why the full truth behind these crimes may still be unfolding (36:45) Sheryl closes with a quote from A Darker Shade of Magic: “Some people steal to stay alive. Some people steal to feel alive.” Thanks for tuning in to Zone 7. If you are enjoying the podcast, please leave a rating and review. Your support helps us continue to educate, investigate, and advocate. --- Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award-winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnline, forensic and crime scene expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and co-author of the textbook Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. She is the founder and director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, a national collaboration that advances techniques for solving cold cases and assists families and law enforcement with unsolved homicides, missing persons, and kidnappings. Dr. Katherine Ramsland is a professor of forensic psychology at DeSales University and the author of numerous books and articles. Her works include How to Catch a Killer, The Mind of a Murderer, and The Serial Killer’s Apprentice. She is also a frequent contributor to crime documentaries and television shows, where she shares her expertise on serial killers, criminal behavior, and the psychology of predators. Tracy Ullman is a writer, producer, and investigative journalist who specializes in true crime storytelling and victim advocacy. She co-authored The Serial Killer’s Apprentice with Dr. Katherine Ramsland and has conducted research into John Wayne Gacy and sex trafficking networks. She also served as an executive producer on The Serial Killer’s Apprentice documentary, helping bring new perspective to the story of Elmer Wayne Henley Jr. And Dean Corll.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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