Podcasts about race racism

Danielle (00:20):Welcome to the Arise podcast, conversations about reality and talking a lot about what that means in the context of church, faith, race, justice, religion, all the things. Today, I'm so honored to have Sarah Van Gelder, a community leader, an example of working and continuing to work on building solidarity and networks and communication skills and settling into her lane. I hope you enjoy this conversation. Hey, Sarah, it's so good to be with you. And these are just casual conversations, and I do actual minimal editing, but they do get a pretty good reach, so that's exciting. I would love to hear you introduce yourself. How do you introduce yourself these days? Tell me a little bit about who you are. Okay.Sarah (01:14):My name is Sarah Van Gelder and I live in Bremer and Washington. I just retired after working for the Suquamish Tribe for six years, so I'm still in the process of figuring out what it means to be retired, doing a lot of writing, a certain amount of activism, and of course, just trying to figure out day to day, how to deal with the latest, outrageous coming from the administration. But that's the most recent thing. I think what I'm most known for is the founding yes magazine and being the editor for many years. So I still think a lot about how do we understand that we're in an era that's essentially collapsing and something new may be emerging to take its place? How do we understand what this moment is and really give energy to the emergence of something new? So those are sort of the foundational questions that I think about.Danielle (02:20):Okay. Those are big questions. I hadn't actually imagined that something new is going to emerge, but I do agree there is something that's collapsing, that's disintegrating. As you know, I reached out about how are we thinking about what is reality and what is not? And you can kind of see throughout the political spectrum or community, depending on who you're with and at what time people are viewing the world through a specific lens. And of course, we always are. We have our own lens, and some people allow other inputs into that lens. Some people are very specific, what they allow, what they don't allow. And so what do we call as reality when it comes to reality and politics or reality and faith or gender, sexuality? It's feeling more and more separate. And so that's kind of why I reached out to you. I know you're a thinker. I know you're a writer, and so I was wondering, as you think about those topics, what do you think even just about what I've said or where does your mind go?Sarah (03:32):Yeah. Well, at first when you said that was the topic, I was a little intimidated by it because it sounded a little abstract. But then I started thinking about how it is so hard right now to know what's real, partly because there's this very conscious effort to distort reality and get people to accept lies. And I think actually part of totalitarian work is to get people to just in the Orwellian book 1984, the character had to agree that two plus two equals five. And only when he had fully embraced that idea could he be considered really part of society.(04:14):So there's this effort to get us to accept things that we actually know aren't true. And there's a deep betrayal that takes place when we do that, when we essentially gaslight ourselves to say something is true when we know it's not. And I think for a lot of people who have, I think that's one of the reasons the Republican party is in such trouble right now, is because so many people who in previous years might've had some integrity with their own belief system, have had to toss that aside to adopt the lies of the Trump administration, for example, that the 2020 election was stolen. And if they don't accept those lies, they get rejected from the party. And once you accept those lies, then from then on you have betrayed yourself. And in many ways, you've betrayed the people who trust you. So it's a really tough dilemma sort of at that political level, even for people who have not bought into the MAGA mindset, or I do think of it as many people have described as a cult.(05:31):Now, even for people who have not bought into that, I think it's just really hard to be in a world where so many fundamental aspects of reality are not shared with people in your own family, in your own workplace, in your own community. I think it's incredibly challenging and we don't really know, and I certainly don't know how to have conversations. In fact, this is a question I wanted to ask you to have conversations across that line of reality because there's so much places where feelings get hurt, but there's also hard to reference back to any shared understanding in order to start with some kind of common ground. It feels like the ground is just completely unreliable. But I'd love to hear your thoughts about how you think about that.Danielle (06:33):It's interesting. I have some family members that are on the far, far, including my parent, well, not my parents exactly, but my father, and I've known this for a while. So prior to what happened in a couple weeks ago with the murder of an activist, I had spent a lot of time actually listening to that activist and trying to understand what he stood for, what he said, why my family was so interested in it. I spent time reading. And then I also was listening to, I don't know if you're familiar with the Midas Touch podcast? Yeah. So I listened to the Midas Brothers, and they're exact opposites. They're like, one is saying, you idiot, and the other one is like, oh, you're an idiot. And so when I could do it, when I had space to do it, it was actually kind of funny to me.(07:34):Sometimes I'm like, oh, that's what they think of someone that thinks like me. And that's when that guy says, calls them an idiot. I feel some resonance with that. So I did that a lot. However, practically speaking, just recently in the last couple months, someone reached out to me from across the political ideology line and said, Hey, wouldn't it be fun if we got together and talked? We think really differently. We've known each other for 20 years. Could you do that? So I said, I thought about it and I was like, yeah, I say this, I should act on it. I should follow through. So I said, okay, yeah, let's meet. We set up a time. And when you get that feeling like that person's not going to show up, but you're also feeling like, I don't know if I want them to show up.(08:24):Am I really going to show up? But it's kind of like a game of chicken. Well, I hung in there longer, maybe not because I wanted to show up, but just because I got distracted by my four kids and whatnot, and it was summer, and the other person did say, oh, I sprained my ankle. I can't have a conversation with you. I was like, oh, okay. And they were like, well, let me reschedule. So I waited. I didn't hear back from them, and then they hopped onto one of my Facebook pages and said some stuff, and I responded and I said, Hey, wait a minute. I thought we were going to have a conversation in person. And it was crickets, it was silence, it was nothing. And then I was tagged in some other comments of people that I would consider even more extreme. And just like, this is an example of intolerance.(09:13):And I was like, whoa, how did I get here? How did I get here? And like I said, I'm not innocent. I associate some of the name calling and I have those explicit feelings. And I was struck by that. And then in my own personal family, we started a group chat and it did not go well. As soon as we jumped into talking about immigration and ice enforcement and stuff after there were two sides stated, and then the side that was on the far right side said, well, there's no point in talking anymore. We're not going to convince each other. And my brother and I were like, wait a minute, can we keep talking? We're not going to convince each other, but how can we just stop talking? And it's just been crickets. It's been silence. There's been nothing. So I think as you ask me that, I just feel like deep pain, how can we not have the things I think, or my perception of what the other side believes is extremely harmful to me and my family. But what feels even more harmful is the fact that we can't even talk about it. There's no tolerance to hear how hurtful that is to us or the real impact on our day-to-day life. And I think this, it's not just the ideology, but it's the inability to even just have some empathy there. And then again, if you heard a guy like Charlie Kirk, he didn't believe in empathy. So I have to remember, okay, maybe they don't even believe in empathy. Okay, so I don't have an answer. What about you?Sarah (11:03):No, I don't either. Except to say that I think efforts that are based on trying to convince someone of a rational argument don't work because this is not about analysis or about rationality, it's about identity, and it's about deep feelings of fear and questions of worthiness. And I think part of this moment we're in with the empire collapsing, the empire that has shorn up so much of our way of life, even people who've been at the margins of it, obviously not as much, but particularly people who are middle class or aspiring to be middle class or upper, that has been where we get our sense of security, where we get our sense of meaning. For a lot of white people, it's their sense of entitlement that they get to have. They're entitled to certain kinds of privileges and ways of life. So if that's collapsing and I believe it is, then that's a very scary time and it's not well understood. So then somebody comes along who's a strong man like Trump and says, not only can I explain it to you, but I can keep you safe. I can be your vengeance against all the insults that you've had to live with. And it's hard to give that up because of somebody coming at you with a rational discussion.(12:36):I think the only way to give that up is to have something better or more secure or more true to lean into. Now that's really hard to do because part of the safety on the right is by totally rejecting the other. And so my sense is, and I don't know if this can possibly work, but my sense is that the only thing that might work is creating nonpolitical spaces where people can just get to know each other as human beings and start feeling that yes, that person is there for me when things are hard and that community is there for me, and they also see me and appreciate who I am. And based on that kind of foundation, I think there's some hope. And so when I think about the kind of organizing to be doing right now, a lot of it really is about just saying, we really all care about our kids and how do we make sure they have good schools and we all need some good healthcare, and let's make sure that that's available to everybody. And just as much as possible keeps it within that other realm. And even maybe not even about issues, maybe it's just about having a potluck and enjoying food together.Danielle (14:10):What structures or how do you know then that you're in reality? And do you have an experience of actually being in a mixed group like that with people that think wildly different than you? And how did that experience inform you? And maybe it's recently, maybe it's in the past. Yeah,Sarah (14:32):So in some respects, I feel like I've lived that way all my life,(14:44):Partly because I spent enough time outside the United States that when I came home as a child, our family lived in India for a year. And so when I came home, I just had this sense that my life, my life and my perceptions of the world were really different than almost everybody else around me, but the exception of other people who'd also spent a lot of time outside the us. And somehow we understood each other pretty well. But most of my life, I felt like I was seeing things differently. And I don't feel like I've ever really particularly gained a lot of skill in crossing that I've tended to just for a lot of what I'm thinking about. I just don't really talk about it except with a few people who are really interested. I don't actually know a lot about how to bridge that gap, except again, to tell stories, to use language that is non-academic, to use language that is part of ordinary people's lives.(16:01):So yes, magazine, that was one of the things that I focused a lot on is we might do some pretty deep analysis, and some of it might include really drawing on some of the best academic work that we could find. But when it came to what we were going to actually produce in the magazine, we really focused in on how do we make this language such that anybody who picks this up who at least feels comfortable reading? And that is a barrier for some people, but anybody who feels comfortable reading can say, yeah, this is written with me in mind. This is not for another group of people. This is written for me. And then part of that strategy was to say, okay, if you can feel that way about it, can you also then feel comfortable sharing it with other people where you feel like they're going to feel invited in and they won't feel like, okay, I'm not your audience.(16:57):I'm not somebody you're trying to speak to. So that's pretty much, I mean, just that whole notion of language and telling stories and using the age old communication as human beings, we evolved to learn by stories. And you can tell now just because you try to tell a kid some lesson and their eyes will roll, but if you tell them a story, they will listen. They won't necessarily agree, but they will listen and it will at least be something they'll think about. So stories is just so essential. And I think that authentic storytelling from our own experience that feels like, okay, I'm not just trying to tell you how you should believe, but I'm trying to say something about my own experience and what's happened to me and where my strength comes from and where my weaknesses and my challenges come from as well.Yeah, you mentioned that, and I was thinking about good stories. And so one of the stories I like to tell is that I moved to Suquamish, which is as an Indian reservation, without knowing really anything about the people I was going to be neighbors with. And there's many stories I could tell you about that. But one of them was that I heard that they were working to restore the ability to dig clams and dies inlet, which is right where silver Dial is located. And I remember thinking that place is a mess. You're never going to be able to have clean enough water because clams require really clean water. They're down filtering all the crap that comes into the water, into their bodies. And so you don't want to eat clams unless the water's very clean. But I remember just having this thought from my perspective, which is find a different place to dig clamps because that place is a mess.(19:11):And then years later, I found out it was now clean enough that they were digging clamps. And I realized that for them, spending years and years, getting the water cleaned up was the obvious thing to do because they think in terms of multiple generations, and they don't give up on parts of their water or their land. So it took years to do it, but they stayed with it. And so that was really a lesson for me in that kind of sense of reality, because my sense of reality is, no, you move on. You do what the pioneers did. One place gets the dust bowl and you move to a different place to farm. And learning to see from the perspective of not only other individuals, but other cultures that have that long millennia of experience in place and how that shifts things. It's almost like to me, it's like if you're looking at the world through one cultural lens, it's like being a one eyed person. You certainly see things, but when you open up your other eye and you can start seeing things in three dimensions, it becomes so much more alive and so much more rich with information and with possibilities.Danielle (20:35):Well, when you think about, and there's a lot probably, how do you apply that to today or even our political landscape? We're finding reality today.Sarah (20:48):Well, I think that the MAGA cult is very, very one eyed. And again, because that sense of safety and identity is so tied up in maintaining that they're not necessarily going to voluntarily open a second eye. But if they do, it would probably be because of stories. There's a story, and I think things like the Jimmy Kimmel thing is an example of that.(21:21):There's a story of someone who said what he believed and was almost completely shut down. And the reason that didn't happen is because people rose up and said, no, that's unacceptable. So I think there's a fundamental belief that's widespread enough that we don't shut down people for speech unless it's so violent that it's really dangerous. We don't shut people down for that. So I think when there's that kind of dissonance, I think there's sometimes an opening, and then it's really important to use that opening, not as a time to celebrate that other people were wrong and we were right, but to celebrate these values that free speech is really important and we're going to stand up for it, and that's who we are. So we get back to that identity. You can feel proud that you were part of this movement that helped make sure that free speech is maintained in the United States. Oh, that'sDanielle (22:26):Very powerful. Yeah, because one side of my family is German, and they're the German Mennonites. They settled around the Black Sea region, and then the other side is Mexican. But these settlers were invited by Catherine the Great, and she was like, Hey, come over here. And Mennonites had a history of non-violence pacifist movement. They didn't want to be conscripted into the German army. And so this was also attractive for them because they were skilled farmers and they had a place to go and Russia and farm. And so that's why they left Germany, to go to Russia to want to seek freedom of their religion and use their farming skills till the soil as well as not be conscripted into violent political movements. That's the ancestry of the side of my family that is now far.(23:29):And I find, and of course, they came here and when they were eventually kicked out, and part of that them being kicked out was then them moving to the Dakotas and then kicking out the native tribes men that were there on offer from the US government. So you see the perpetuation of harm, and I guess I just wonder what all of that cost my ancestors, what it cost them to enact harm that they had received themselves. And then there was a shift. Some of them went to World War II as conscientious objectors, a couple went as fighters.(24:18):So then you start seeing that shift. I'm no longer, I'm not like a pacifist. You start seeing the shift and then we're to today, I don't know if those black sea farmers that moved to Russia would be looking down and being good job. Those weren't the values it seems like they were pursuing. So I even, I've been thinking a lot about that and just what does that reality mean here? What separations, what splitting has my family had to do to, they changed from these deeply. To move an entire country means you're very committed to your values, uproot your life, even if you're farming and you're going to be good at it somewhere else, it's a big deal.Sarah (25:10):Oh, yeah. So it also could be based on fear, right? Because I think so many of the people who immigrated here were certainly my Jewish heritage. There is this long history of pilgrims and people would get killed. And so it wasn't necessarily that for a lot of people that they really had an option to live where they were. And of course, today's refugees, a lot of 'em are here for the same reason. But I think one of the things that happened in the United States is the assimilation into whiteness.(25:49):So as white people, it's obviously different for different communities, but if you came in here and you Irish people and Italians and so forth were despised at certain times and Jews and Quakers even. But over time, if you were white, you could and many did assimilate. And what did assimilate into whiteness? First of all, whiteness is not a culture, and it's kind of bereft of real meaning because the real cultures were the original Irish and Italian. But the other thing is that how you make whiteness a community, if you will, is by excluding other people, is by saying, well, we're different than these other folks. So I don't know if this applies to your ancestors or not, but it is possible that part of what their assimilation to the United States was is to say, okay, we are white people and we are entitled to this land in North Dakota because we're not native. And so now our identity is people who are secure on the land, who have title to it and can have a livelihood and can raise our children in security. That is all wrapped up in us not being native and in our government, keeping native people from reclaiming that land.(27:19):So that starts shifting over generations. Certainly, it can certainly shift the politics. And I think that plus obviously the sense of entitlement that so many people felt to and feel to their slave holding ancestors, that was a defensible thing to do. And saying it's not is a real challenge to somebody's identity.(27:51):So in that respect, that whole business that Trump is doing or trying to restore the Confederate statues, those were not from the time of slavery. Those were from after reconstruction. Those were part of the south claiming that it had the moral authority and the moral right to do these centuries long atrocities against enslaved people. And so to me, that's still part of the fundamental identity struggle we're in right now, is people saying, if I identify as white, yes, I get all this safety and all these privileges, but I also have this burden of this history and history that's continuing today, and how do I reconcile those two? And Trump says, you don't have to. You can just be proud of what you have perpetrated or what your ancestors perpetrated on other people.And I think there was some real too. I think there were people who honestly felt that they wanted to reconcile the, and people I think who are more willing to have complex thoughts about this country because there are things to be proud of, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and the long history of protecting free speech and journalism and education for everyone and so forth. So there are definitely things to be proud of. And then there are things to recognize. We're incredibly violent and have had multiple generations of trauma resulting from it. And to live in this country in authenticity is to recognize that both are true and we're stuck with the history, but we're not stuck without being able to deal with that. We can do restitution and reparations and we can heal from that.Danielle (30:15):How do you stay connected even just to your own self in that dissonance that you just described?Sarah (30:30):Well, I think part of having compassion is to recognize that we're imperfect beings as individuals, but we're also imperfect as cultures. And so for me, I can live with, I mean, this is something I've lived with ever since I was in India, really. And I looked around and noticed that there were all these kids my own age who were impoverished and I was not. And that I knew I have enough to eat at the end of the day, and I knew that many of them would not have enough to eat. So it's always been a challenge for me. And so my response to that has been when I was a kid was, well, I don't understand how that happened. It's certainly not right. I don't understand how it could be, and I'm going to do my best to understand it, and then I'll do my part to try to change it. And I basically had the same view ever since then, which is there's only so much I can do, but I'll do everything I can, including examining my own complicity and working through issues that I might be carrying as somebody who grew up in a white supremacist culture, working on that internally, and then also working in community and working as an activist in a writer in any way I can think of that I can make a contribution.(31:56):But I really do believe that healing is possible. And so when I think about the people that are causing that I feel like are not dealing with the harm that they're creating, I still feel just somebody who goes to prison for doing a crime that's not the whole of who they are. And so they're going to have to ultimately make the choice about whether they're going to heal and reconcile and repair the damage they will have to make that choice. But for my part, I always want to keep that door open in my relationship with them and in my writing and in any other way, I want to keep the door open.Danielle (32:43):And I hear that, and I'm like, that's noble. And it's so hard to do to keep that door open. So what are some of the tools you use, even just on your own that help you keep that door open to conversation, even to feeling compassion for people maybe you don't agree with? What are some of the things, maybe their internal resources, external resources could be like, I don't know, somebody you read, go back to and read. Yeah. What helps you?Sarah (33:16):Well, the most important thing for me to keep my sanity is a combination of getting exercise and getting outside(33:27):And hanging out with my granddaughter and other people I love outside of political spaces because the political spaces get back into the stress. So yeah, I mean the exercise, I just feel like being grounded in our bodies is so important. And partly that the experience of fear and anxiety show up in our bodies, and we can also process them through being really active. So I'm kind of worried that if I get to the point where I'm too old to be able to really move, whether I'll be able to process as well. So there's that in terms of the natural world, this aliveness that I feel like transcends me and certainly humanity and just an aliveness that I just kind of open my senses to. And then it's sort, they call it forest bathing or don't have to be in a forest to do it, but just sort of allowing that aliveness to wash over me and to sort of celebrate it and to remember that we're all part of that aliveness. And then spending time with a 2-year-old is like, okay, anything that I may be hung up on, it becomes completely irrelevant to her experience.Danielle (35:12):I love that. Sarah, for you, even though I know you heard, you're still asking these questions yourself, what would you tell people to do if they're listening and they're like, and they're like, man, I don't know how to even start a conversation with someone that thinks different than me. I don't know how to even be in the same room them, and I'm not saying that your answers can apply to everybody. Mine certainly don't either, like you and me are just having a conversation. We're just talking it out. But what are some of the things you go to if you know you're going to be with people Yeah. That think differently than you, and how do you think about it?Sarah (35:54):Yeah, I mean, I don't feel particularly proud of this because I don't feel very capable of having a direct conversation with somebody who's, because I don't know how to get to a foundational level that we have in common, except sometimes we do. Sometimes it's like family, and sometimes it's like, what did you do for the weekend? And so it can feel like small talk, but it can also have an element of just recognizing that we're each in a body, in perhaps in a family living our lives struggling with how to live well. And so I usually don't try to get very far beyond that, honestly. And again, I'm not proud of that because I would love to have conversations that are enlightening for me and the other person. And my go-to is really much more basic than that.Maybe it is. And maybe it creates enough sense of safety that someday that other level of conversation can happen, even if it can't happen right away.Danielle (37:14):Well, Sarah, tell me if people are looking for your writing and know you write a blog, tell me a little bit about that and where to find you. Okay.Sarah (37:26):Yeah, my blog is called How We Rise, and it's on Substack. And so I'm writing now and then, and I'm also writing somewhat for Truth Out Truth out.org has adopted the Yes Archive, which I'm very grateful to them for because they're going to keep it available so people can continue to research and find articles there that are still relevant. And they're going to be continuing to do a monthly newsletter where they're going to draw on Yes, archives to tell stories about what's going on now. Yes, archives that are specifically relevant. So I recommend that. And otherwise, I'm just right now working on a draft of an op-ed about Palestine, which I hope I can get published. So I'm sort of doing a little of this and a little of that, but I don't feel like I have a clear focus. The chaos of what's going on nationally is so overwhelming, and I keep wanting to come back to my own and my own focus of writing, but I can't say that I've gotten there yet.Danielle (38:41):I hear you. Well, I hope you'll be back, and hopefully we can have more conversations. And just thanks a lot for being willing to just talk about stuff we don't know everything about.As always, thank you for joining us, and at the end of the podcast are notes and resources, and I encourage you to stay connected to those who are loving in your path and in your community. 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Website: https://www.kitsap.gov/hs/Pages/SBHO-Get-Behaviroal-Health-Services.aspx• Deaf / Hard of Hearing: Use your preferred relay service (for example dial 711 then the appropriate number) to access crisis services.• Warning Signs & Risk Factors: If someone is talking about harming themselves, giving away possessions, expressing hopelessness, or showing extreme behavior changes, contact crisis resources immediately.Well, first I guess I would have to believe that there was or is an actual political dialogue taking place that I could potentially be a part of. And honestly, I'm not sure that I believe that.Well, first I guess I would have to believe that there was or is an actual political dialogue taking place that I could potentially be a part of. And honestly, I'm not sure that I believe that.Well, first I guess I would have to believe that there was or is an actual political dialogue taking place that I could potentially be a part of. And honestly, I'm not sure that I believe that. Well, first I guess I would have to believe that there was or is an actual political dialogue taking place that I could potentially be a part of. And honestly, I'm not sure that I believe that.

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At Them Before Us, we want to highlight things that might be a great resource for individuals and families engaging in politics and culture. Our sphere is particularly marriage & family but The Center for Biblical Unity has many great resources for Christians considering cultural topics like LGBT ideology, racism/race/CRT/DEI and more. Krista and Monique are great friends of TBU and have also brought our resources to their audiences. Check them out! https://www.centerforbiblicalunity.com/ - Center for Biblical Unity https://walkinginunity.com/ < For more on the book Youtube

Dr. Rob Eschmann, Associate Professor of Social Work at Columbia University, discusses his latest book When the Hood Comes Off: Racism and Resistance in the Digital Age (University of California Press). We cover how social media works to unmask everyday experiences of racism, and how this affects student life at American universities. Dr. Eschmann also shares his research on social media, racial microaggressions, and Black Twitter; thoughts on TikTok and algorithmic bias; and how resisting racism requires engaging in conversation.  

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Trey's Table Season 2: Episode 7: In the Well: Race, Racism, and the Tennessee Three. In this episode I talk about the racial implications of #tennesseethree saga. I also discuss a new piece of legislation designed to protect Confederate/Terrorist monuments in Florida. Finally I close with a book recommendation and I give a shoutout to my son and his podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/... Faculty Profile: Theresa Runstedtler Black Ball: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Spencer Haywood, and the Generation that Saved the Soul of the NBA: Runstedtler, Theresa: 9781645036951: Amazon.com: Books Senate Bill 1096 (2023) - The Florida Senate #treystable #podcasts #blackpodcasts #race #criticalracetheory #blackhistory #blackculture #hamptonuniversity #blacktiktok #fyp #blackbookstoreweekend #crt

Racism is not a sin. The modern-day ‘sin' of racism was invented in the 19th century and then imported into the churches from the decadent and decaying culture. If you think that racism is a sin, then you have been misled. In this episode, we go over the history of the term “racism” — where it originated and how it entered our modern culture — and take a look at how Satan is using it to destroy the Church. This is the culmination of our series on race and the most important episode in the series. This episode may make you uncomfortable, but the truth is worth the price. Subscribe to the podcast here. Show Notes Racism and Overcoming the Idolatry of Babel [YouTube] Partiality “Racism” in Webster's Dictionary (1828) If you want to read the resolution from the second half of this episode, it can be found in the proceedings of the 2019 convention, which can be found here. See Also Magnus Hirschfeld [Wikipedia] Further Reading Formula of Concord: Solid Declaration, Art. I Racism by Magnus Hirschfeld Parental Warnings Some discussion of sexual matters, but not in explicit terms.

Having conversations around race, racism, and social justice is very often hard for parents and caregivers. Yet, parents and caregivers are the most equipped to create spaces for healthy dialogue—today, children have access to news, commentary, and social media but lack the context that history provides.This month I am celebrating Black History Month, in my annual Black History Month Series. We're kicking this series off with today's episode titled:  Developmentally Appropriate Conversations about Race, Racism, and Social Justice. In this episode,  I am sharing a framework that parents and caregivers can use to begin discussing race, racism, and social justice with children and adolescents, in  a developmentally appropriate way!We cover the following: How adults prepare mentally and emotionally for these difficult conversations.The key to having developmentally appropriate conversations with your children about race,  racism, and social justice. Note of the Week- Click Here! How to Find me!Website- https://www.drtashabrown.com/Email Address- dr.tashabrown7@gmail.comInstagram- https://www.instagram.com/dr.tashabrown/Facebook- https://www.facebook.com/dr.tashabrown7Twitter- https://twitter.com/DrTashaB

Keith R. Burich, Ph.D. is my guest. we talk about his new book which puts race and racism at the front of the history between colonization and the Native people of this hemisphere. But through it all We Remain.

Links for full episode - 014 Race & Racism in Australia with Nick Bradley-Qalilawa iTunes Spotify Connect with Nick Instagram

In this special bonus episode of The Forum Podcast, Margaret Greenberg and Gina Greenlee from The Business of Race, LLC answer questions from listeners that attended our June 16, 2022 Webinar What is Your X_ Why the Workplace is the Perfect Place to Discuss the Undiscussables, Race + Racism. Margaret and Gina answer the following questions: Question 1: Race means different things to different people. What does "Race" mean to the two of you? Question 2: Are you aware of the IDI (Intercultural Developmental Inventory) tool and if so, would you recommend using this tool with the OSA? Question 3: [And speaking of metrics} What are some likely metrics for equity? Question 4: Could you speak to responding to an organization hesitant to explore this topic? [of workplace racial equity] Question 5: Can you discuss the increased focus on performance and outcome? How do you manage expectations for those who feel DEI is fixable rather than an ongoing part of an organization's culture? Question 6: How does this book address the “othering of racially diverse talent” so that white talent doesn't feel that it is an attack on whiteness and a burden on them to learn/unlearn? --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/fwi/support

Glenn Loury is a professor of economics and social sciences at Brown University, and a prominent podcaster and social critic who speaks and writes about race, inequality, and social policy. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: – Lambda: https://lambdalabs.com/lex – LMNT: https://drinkLMNT.com/lex to get free sample pack – Coinbase: https://coinbase.com/lex to get $10 in free Bitcoin – ROKA: https://roka.com/ and use code LEX to get 20% off your first order – MasterClass: https://masterclass.com/lex to get 15% off EPISODE LINKS: Glenn's Twitter: https://twitter.com/GlennLoury Glenn's Substack: https://glennloury.substack.com Glenn's YouTube: https://youtube.com/c/GlennLouryShow The Anatomy of Racial Inequality (book): https://amzn.to/3N7jmz0 Race, Incarceration,

In this bonus SXSWedu episode of Entrepreneurial Appetite's Black book discussions, we feature a conversation with Marcus Croom, Ph.D. author of Real Talk?: How to Discuss Race, Racism, and Politics in 21st Century American Schools, and  Tara Blackshear, Ph.D., co-author of Critical Race Studies in Physical Education. Please consider supporting the show as one of our Founding 55 patrons. For five dollars a month, you can access our live monthly conversations. Your patronage will help us meet our goal of hiring an intern to help with the show's production. See the link below:https://www.patreon.com/EA_BookClub

In this episode I discuss the confirmation hearing of Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson and the role that race played in the hearing.

Although there is no mention of race in the U.S. tax code, tax law professor Dorothy Brown believes race and taxes are closely intertwined.

03/20/22The Healthy Matters PodcastEpisode 8 - An Essential Conversation on Race, Racism and the Healthcare System The difficult truth is that racism still exists in America (yes, even in healthcare). So what are some things we do to create change? Dr. Nneka Sederstrom, Chief Health Equity Officer at Hennepin Healthcare joins Dr. David Hilden as they confront current issues surrounding racism in healthcare and discuss new programs in place that will work toward a more equitable healthcare system for all.  Got a question for the doctor?  Or an idea for a show?  Contact us!Email - healthymatters@hcmed.org Call - 612-873-TALK (8255) Twitter - @drdavidhildenFind out more at www.healthymatters.org

How do we have conversations about race, racism and politics in the classroom? Today we spend the hour with Marcus Croom from Indiana University to talk about the 'Real Talk' protocol he came up with to answer that question.

Welcome to the second installment of this 4-Part series: In last week's episode, we discussed: How Knowing Their History Can Improve Your Child's Mental Health.In this week's installment, I am sharing a framework that parents and caregivers can use to begin discussing race, racism, and social justice with children and adolescents. In this intimate conversation, we cover the following: How adults prepare mentally and emotionally for these difficult conversations.The key to having developmentally appropriate conversations with your children about race,  racism, and social justice. How families who do not identify as Black can advocate for social justice.  This episode aims to ensure that all children feel safe, seen, and heard.Feature episodes in this series include: Why representation is crucial for your child's mental healthThe importance of breaking the stigma around mental health for Black Children and Adolescents[00:01:20] Upcoming episodes on race and mental health[00:03:10] The note of the week and the fantastic resources on PBS.org[00:06:35] Children listen to what you say, but what they really focus on is your behavior. Listen as I share tips that adults can use to check their personal biases and prepare to have meaningful dialogue.  [00:07:21] Strategies to navigate and process your emotions before engaging with your child(ren). [00:09:31] Techniques for age-appropriate conversations and [00:11:51] Modeling authenticity and several conversation openers that you can use to initiate the discussion [00:13:44]The importance of validating your child's emotional response. [00:17:38] Why authenticity matters[00:18:19] How can non-black families talk about race, equal treatment, anti-racist behavior? Here I discuss the importance of teaching children about the complexities of people to promote equal treatment. [00:25:48] Using the resources provided in the show notes and ways that children and families can get involved Resources: PBS ArticleRecommended Black History Month Reading List for Children:  Connect with Dr. Tasha Brown:Website- https://www.drtashabrown.com/ Email Address- Dr.tashabrown7@gmail.com Instagram- https://www.instagram.com/dr.tashabrown/ Facebook- https://www.facebook.com/dr.tashabrown7 The Value-Based Masterclass is for parents and caregivers who need guidance to identify their Parenting Values and who would love a space where they can explore the values they bring to parenting.The Masterclass will take place Live via Zoom on Monday, March 28th at 8:30 pm EST / 7:30 pm CST. After you purchase your ticket, you will receive a Zoom link.REGISTER HERE

What can Christians do to tackle the topic of racism? In the fifth week of Uncompromised: Holding to Christian Convictions in a Cancel Culture, John Elmore, Marvin Walker, Sierra Sanchez, and Oscar Castillo share how (and why) we can pursue God's ideals of diversity, unity, peace, and reconciliation.

What can Christians do to tackle the topic of racism? In the fifth week of Uncompromised: Holding to Christian Convictions in a Cancel Culture, John Elmore, Marvin Walker, Sierra Sanchez, and Oscar Castillo share how (and why) we can pursue God's ideals of diversity, unity, peace, and reconciliation.

How are we to understand race and racism?  Many would say they aren't racist, but often our impact bias and prejudice can go unnoticed and unchallenged.  Joshua Koh is a Regent grad and pastor in Vancouver and he brings clarity and sheds light on these often hidden and unmentioned sins.  We hope this sparks conversation and leaves you in a place of wonder and conviction.  

Join Cynthia as she dives into recent learning around her own journey of becoming anti-racist. This week we focus on what's next for us with the new learning that's taken place over the last few episodes. Grab a pen, a journal, & get ready to reflect on values, actions, & setting goals for your own work. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ownyour-ish/support

In part 1 of the series "Race & Racism 101: A Guide for White Folks", host Cynthia Corn discusses the impact of race & racism in America & how white folks need to start owning their *ish about it all. Join Cynthia on a journey from ignorance to anti-racism as she provides insight into the work, practical steps on how to dismantle racism inside yourself, & steps to move towards being anti-racist. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ownyour-ish/support

If you missed the "live" show here's a recording of the last episode in our "Real Talk about Love, Dating & Relationship" series!! We'll be back in a week to get Kandid about The Divided State of America: A Kandid Discussion on Race & Racism!

In this episode, Eli tells the story of a recent personal encounter he had with antisemitism and the intersectional bigotry that followed from it before he and Jeff discuss the meaning of patriotism. They then wade into the contemporary culture wars on race using Ross Douthat's recent OpEds in the New York Times as an access point to the controversies and dig a little deeper into the work of Robin DiAngelo and Ibram X. Kendi. Jeff levels a withering critique against DiAngelo's concept of white fragility which to Eli's ears sound an awful lot like the tenets of Nonviolent Communication. They then discuss Kendi's insistence that there is no middle ground between racism and antiracism.Show Notes:To read Ross Douthat's June 26th OpEd, click/tap here. To read Ross Douthat's July 3rd OpEd, click/tap here.

Welcome to Introduction to Feminist and Social Justice Studies. This is the seventh audio episode of the semester-long course for the Gender, Sexuality, and Feminist, and Social Justice Studies program at McGill University, taking place in the Fall of 2021.    The transcript is available at: https://introtofeministstudies.blogspot.com/2020/07/episode-7-race.html   Today's episode will discuss: Privilege, through the lens of race Racism and Anti-racist work in Canada and the United States Black feminist thought Asian American feminism and Asian Canadian feminism An introduction to Police Abolition and Defund the Police Movements This podcast is by Dr. Alex Ketchum

In this episode, Jeff and Eli discuss the Derek Chauvin verdict and its implications for the country and the criminal justice system. They then continue their deep dive into racism with an examination of  Lawrence Blum's concept of the moral asymmetries inherent in different kinds of racism.Show Notes:To read Lawrence Blum's "I'm Not A Racist But..." click/tap here.

Jordan and Brandon talk with Alex DiPrima about race, racism, and social activism from Martin Luther King Jr to Charles Spurgeon to modern critical race theory. They consider what race and racism is among these various thinkers, whether there is racism currently, and what we should do about racism in the present.Find more info about the London Lyceum or contact us at our website.Resources:1. The Case for Color-Blindness, Coleman Hughes2. Let Justice Roll Down, John Perkins3. One Blood, John Perkins4. Beyond Racial Gridlock, George Yancey5. Disparities and Discrimination, Thomas Sowell6. Confronting Injustice without Compromising Truth, Thaddeus Williams7. What is the Mission of the Church, Kevin DeYoung and Greg Gilbert8. Reforming Culture, Gary StewardSupport the show

In this episode, Jeff and Eli continue their discussion on the metaphysics of race with a quick review of Hardimon's biological realism and a discussion of social realism/constructionism and anti-realism. They examine the metaphysics of Sally Haslanger, Paul C. Taylor, and Joshua Glasgow as they discuss the merits and problems posed by social realism and anti-realism.Show Notes:To read Sally Haslanger and Joshua Glasgow argue about race, click/tap here.To read Paul C. Taylor's excellent book, click/tap here.

Black Thought University is a monthly program that is a collaboration with Professor Paul Robinson's Black Thought University. We aim to provoke thought and dialogue about Black Philosophy, Black Psychology, Black Sociology, Black Culture, History, and Racism. Episode 1 will analyze the system of Racism/White Supremacy and clarify some confusing assertions about race. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/mastermine-mrg/message

In this episode, Jeff and Eli begin by discussing a controversial SNL joke about Israel's vaccination program. Next they discuss the devastating empirical problems faced by the classical racialist view of race before launching into a discussion of the different metaphysical camps in the philosophy of race. They start with Biological Realism using Michael Hardimon's work as a model and talk about the pros and cons of holding on to a minimalist concept of biological race. Show Notes:To watch the controversial SNL joke, click/tap here.To read Richard Lewontin's 1972 population study click/tap here. To read Noah Rosenberg's 2002 population genetics study click/tap here. To read Hardimon's defense of Biological Realism click/tap here.

In this episode, Jeff and Eli examine different definitions of racism. They look at Robin DiAngelo, Ibram X. Kendi, and Paul C. Taylor's definitions and talk about the strengths and weaknesses of each before talking about the way in which Jeff thinks racism should be redefined.Show Notes:To read Robin DiAngelo's book White Fragility, click/tap here. To read Ibram Kendi's book How To Be An Antiracist, click/tap here.To read Paul C. Taylor's book Race: A Philosophical Introduction, click/tap here.

In this episode, Jeff and Eli wrap up their non-comprehensive stroll through the history of racial thinking and move on to talk about the role that religion played in the history of racism and slavery. Eli then argues for the centrality of racism to the Enlightenment project, while Jeff defends its honor.Show Notes:To read about the Curse of Ham, click/tap here. For an excellent series of essays on Philosophers and Race, click/tap here. For Ibram Kendi's history of racial thinking in the United States, click/tap here.

There is a lot being said and a lot to talk about concerning race, racism, and what the Bible has to say about all of it. Let's keep the conversation going in Part 5 of 6. Find all episodes where you listen to podcasts as well as at www.goodnewsnotgoodadvice.com

In this episode, hosts Alexis Dunn, Tim Cunningham, Carolyn Clevenger, and Roxana Chicas discuss racism and diversity in healthcare. It's a detailed, nuanced and emotional topic. Nell Hodgson Woodruff School of Nursing alumnus Donte Flanagan also joins the show. The Nurses Station is a bi-weekly podcast for nurses and nursing students. Join our hosts to discuss current events in nursing, life as a nurse and misconceptions about the profession. #emorynursing #emorynursingknows #emoryhealthcare #nursing #thenursesstation

There is a lot being said and a lot to talk about concerning race, racism, and what the Bible has to say about all of it. Let's keep the conversation going. Find all episodes where you listen to podcasts as well as at www.goodnewsnotgoodadvice.com

In Part 3, Jeff and Collin continue to discuss the idea of identity, finding our identity in our race, and using race-identity to solve the problem of racism. Is a greater focus on race as it concerns skin-color the solution to racism? As always, we'd love to hear from you! Reach out via www.goodnewsnotgoodadvice.com with questions, comments, agreements, and disagreements. Find all episodes where you listen to podcasts as well as at www.goodnewsnotgoodadvice.com.

In Part 2, the guys talking about whether or not we should identity ourselves with our race (among other things). What does the Bible say about finding our identity in something like our race? Should we find our identity in our skin color? What could be the problems, if any, with doing so? Questions like these and more are addressed. Find all episodes on iTunes, Spotify, at www.goodnewsnotgoodadvice.com and wherever you listen to podcasts! Reach out for questions and comments at www.goodnewsnotgoodadvice.com.

The world is on fire when it comes to race and racism. For every one answer we all have 10 questions. And each answer seems to be either incomprehensible, destined for failure, or unbiblical. So, how should Christians think about race, racism, and the Gospel? Jeff and Collin are going to tackle that broad question and many specific questions in the coming weekly episodes. These episodes will cover race, race-identity, racism, systemic racism/oppression, police, the official organization called Black Lives Matter, and a lot more. The goal is to answer this broad question again and again: What does the Bible say about this or that? Submit questions at www.goodnewsnotgoodadvice.com Find all episodes on iTunes, Spotify, and wherever you listen to podcasts, as well as at www.goodnewsnotgoodadvice.com

In today's episode I invited my good friend Derrick Boone to the podcast to talk through issues of race and racism. We have an extemporaneous …

Today we talk with Chrissy King all about the strength training journey, body image, race, racism, and intersectional feminism. -    -    -    -    -If you liked this episode of To Birth and Beyond, tell your friends! Find us on iTunes and Stitcher to rate/review/subscribe to the show. Want more? Visit www.ToBirthAndBeyond.com, join our Facebook group (To Birth and Beyond Podcast), and follow us on Instagram @tobirthandbeyondpodcast! Thanks for listening and joining the conversation! Resources and References:Instagram/Twitter: @iamchrissykingfacebook.com/chrissykingfitnesswww.chrissyking.com Time Stamps:3:21 – Who is Chrissy King? 6:16 – Chrissy tells us how she found strength training initially, and how it changed her relationship with her body. 9:51 – “Being your own best hype woman,” what does that mean to Chrissy? And loving your body in the moment. 15:36 – Discussing Chrissy blog post: “Our Life's Purpose Is Not To Shrink.” 21:24 – What we are complimented on being “brave” about. And peoples' reaction of “shock and aw that this is still happening” regarding racism in action. 25:52 – On apologizing for your body. 30:46 – “Confidence is an inside job.” How so, and how do you build confidence? 34:49 –  On changing the face of the fitness industry when it comes to race. 38:44 – On Intersectional Feminism, discomfort, and being an ally. 42:32 – Where you can find Chrissy King and her work!43:37 – On the next episode of To Birth and Beyond…

“It's okay to make mistakes when you're advocating or speaking out. And not everyone's going to welcome your participation. That's okay. That's the price we pay for our privilege. Just listen, learn and continue to do the best you can to make a positive difference.”   This week on the 3D Parent Podcast, I am going to share six actionable steps that you can take right away to address race, identity, prejudice within your own families.   Some of the topics covered in this episode include: Common reasons why White parents choose to not to talk about racism and prejudices (and how that choice is actually a privilege) The importance of intentionality when teaching kids about race, racism, and privilege. Six actionable steps that parents can start taking TODAY to effectively and appropriately address race, racism, and privilege within their family.   If you're feeling intimidated or unsure of how to discuss the topics of race, racism, and privilege with your children, know that you are not alone. However, these conversations are necessary building blocks to a more equal society. So I encourage parents to make a commitment to complete at least one step a week to genuinely address these difficult topics within your households.   If you have enjoyed this episode of the podcast, take a screenshot, head on over to Instagram and share it your IG stories and tag me, @the3Dparent   Do you have a parenting question for an upcoming episode?  I would LOVE to connect with you and answer your questions. Please share your parenting question here!   Grab your free copy of the 10 Steps To Get Back in Control of Your Children here!   EPISODE RESOURCES: Explanation of what it is to be a white accomplice: https://www.whiteaccomplices.org PDF on what children understand about race from birth through age 6+:  Five episode program for parents from Seattle's King 5 News on race, racism, identity Harvard Implicit Association Test Children's Book: Something Happened in Our Town: A Child's Story About Racial Injustice by Marianne Celano PhD, Marietta Collins PhD, and Ann Hazard PhD. Here is a link to a YouTube read-aloud version. Children's Book: A Kids Book About Racism by Jelani Memory. Here is a link to a YouTube read-aloud version. Website with book lists on police brutality, black heroes, recognizing privilege and more resources King 5 Series on Race and Parenting:  “How we talk to our kids about race, racism and identity”  http://www.willaplayschool.org   EPISODES TO FURTHER THE DISCUSSION: Episode 24: Surviving and Thriving During the Coronavirus Outbreak Episode 28: Talking to Your Kids About Sex   CONNECT WITH THE 3D PARENT: Instagram Facebook

Coleman Hughes is a writer living in New York City who has contributed to Quillette, The Spectator, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and more. In 2019, he testified before a U.S. House Judiciary subcommittee at a hearing on reparations for slavery. Meghan Murphy speaks with him and race and racism in America, the Black Lives Matter movement, police violence, the uprisings in response to the killing of George Floyd, the impact of rioting, and more. This interview originally aired on YouTube on June 2, 2020. Support The Same Drugs on Patreon. The Same Drugs is on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/the-same-drugs/support

On this week's Media Project Alan, Barbara, Judy, and Rex discuss President Donald Trump’s feud with Twitter. The panel also analyzes the power of bystanders, and how the media covers race and racism. Featuring: Dr. Alan Chartock, President and CEO WAMC Northeast Public Radio Rex Smith, Editor Times Union Barbara Lombardo, Journalism Professor at the University […]

How should we talk about race and racism in America? Loki Mulholland and Luvaghn discuss this issue. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/the-uncomfortable-truth/support