Live Behind The Veil

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This conversation centers on God's desire for a people who live in continual worship—not limited to music or moments, but expressed through a life lived in His presence. True worship is a spiritual state of being, rooted in relationship, obedience, and surrender. It involves standing in God's presence through all circumstances, allowing Him to work through refining processes, and choosing daily to respond to Him. This lifestyle of worship transforms believers into a priestly and prophetic people, functioning in spirit and truth and building up the Body of Christ. Show Notes 1. God's Desire for a Different Kind of Worship God is calling for more than traditional expressions of worshipHe desires a people who live as akingdom of priests and prophetsThe journey requires walking with God and allowing Him to reveal the way forward 2. Worship Begins with a Choice Israel refused direct relationship with God out of fearGod originally intendedall His people to be priestsEntering deeper worship requires willingness to hear God—even when it is difficult 3. From Levites to Melchizedek Priesthood There is a contrast between:Settling for structured religion (Levites)Entering relationship-based priesthood (Melchizedek) God is calling His people into the higher order of relationship and authority 4. Worship as a 24/7 Lifestyle Worship is not limited to songs or gatheringsIt is:Walking with God continuouslyLiving with awareness of His presenceCarrying worship in the spirit at all times 5. Standing in God's Presence Standing before the Lord is itself worshipTrue worship is revealed:During trialsIn devastationWhen remaining unmoved and trusting Him 6. Worship Beyond Music Worship includes:Waiting on GodServing othersLiving life with a surrendered heart If worship is only singing, it stops when the song ends 7. Worship in Everyday Life Worship continues even while:WorkingThinking deeplyGoing about daily tasks A spirit of worship allows God to speak at any moment 8. Worship Builds the Body of Christ Serving others = worshipSpeaking truth and building others up is worshipMinistry flows out of a life rooted in God's presence 9. Worship in Spirit and Truth True worship must be:Spirit-ledRooted in Christ (truth) Anything outside of this lacks effectiveness 10. Refining Fire Produces True Worship Trials and hardship refine believersThe proper response is:GratitudeSurrender God removes everything that hinders relationship with Him 11. Worship Is a Daily Choice Every person is given the opportunity to worshipIt is not forced—it is chosenEach day presents the decision to live in His presence Key Quotes “God is looking for worshipers on a 24/7 basis.”“Standing in His presence is a form of worship.”“If all worship was singing, when you stop singing, you stop worshiping.”“Our worship is because we're standing in His presence all the time.”“It's not important what the mind understands—it's that the spirit moves into it.”“When you stand in His presence and speak what He speaks, it becomes a creative force.”“No matter the devastation… the first thing should be, ‘Thank you, Lord.'”“Every day is a choice to worship Him.” Scriptural References John 4 (23–24)Worship in spirit and truthExodus 19m(5–6)A kingdom of priestsHebrews 7Priesthood of MelchizedekRevelation 1 (6 / 5 10)Made kings and priestsRevelation 7 (15)Serving Him day and nightRomans 12 (1)Living sacrifice (lifestyle worship)Ephesians 4 (11–16)Building up the Body of Christ1 Thessalonians 5 (16–18)Rejoice always, give thanksMalachi 3 (2–3)Refiner's fireHebrews 13 (15)Sacrifice of praise Takeaway True worship is not something you do—it is who you become. It is a continual life lived in God's presence, expressed through obedience, surrender, and relationship. Whether in trials, daily tasks, or ministry to others, worship flows from a spirit aligned with Him. And at its core, it is a daily choice to stand before God and live for Him in everything.

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This discussion centers on the necessity of moving beyond intellectual knowledge of God's Word into a living, personal experience with Christ. True spiritual growth comes as the Word becomes alive within the believer through direct encounter, not just study or conversation. Faith is developed through experiencing Christ in real circumstances, and the transformation occurs in the spirit—not the mind. As believers cultivate a relationship with the Lord, endure through trials, and remain led by the Spirit, the Word becomes their life, producing maturity, endurance, and a deeper union with God. Show Notes 1. Growth Requires Experience, Not Just Knowledge Spiritual growth is essential—without it, there is no movement forward.The Word must be experienced, not merely read or discussed.Faith grows through real encounters with Christ in everyday life. 2. The Word Must Become Alive Within Hearing the Word is not enough—it must be imparted to the spirit.The difference between “knowing about” and “knowing” God is personal experience.A living Word transforms the believer from within. 3. Relationship with God is Central The goal is not information but relationship.Encountering God's presence makes the Word real and personal.Waiting on the Lord allows the Word to become life. 4. The Spirit Over the Mind True understanding comes through the spirit, not the intellect.The mind can resist or distort the Word, but the spirit receives life.Being led by the Spirit defines true sonship. 5. Endurance and Testing Produce Maturity Trials and devastation are used by God to deepen relationship and growth.Endurance is essential to spiritual completion.Holding fast to God in difficulty draws believers closer to Him. 6. Living as Carriers of the Word Believers are called to speak a living Word that penetrates hearts.The Word becomes life—what we think, speak, and live daily.This life flows from a deep, Spirit-led relationship with God. Quote “The Word must be alive. It must be living in you. It must be an experience to you.”“It's not just talking about the Word… it's actually experiencing Him in a reality.”“Knowing about the Word is not good enough… it's about knowing Him.”“The Word must become real to you in your own heart… otherwise you really haven't heard it yet.”“Endurance means you hold fast… and instead of pulling away, you draw closer.” Scriptural References Romans 10 (17)“Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.”Colossians 1 (27)“Christ in you, the hope of glory.”Romans 8 (14)“Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.”Matthew 24 (13)“He who endures to the end shall be saved.”John 5 (39)“You search the Scriptures… these are they which testify of Me.”John 6 (63)“The words that I speak… they are spirit, and they are life.” Takeaway The Christian walk is not about accumulating knowledge of God but about encountering Him. When believers pursue a real relationship with the Lord, allowing His Word to be imparted into their spirit, it becomes life within them. Through endurance, testing, and continual surrender, they grow into maturity—living not by the mind, but by the Spirit—and becoming vessels through which the living Word flows to others.

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This conversation centers on breaking spiritual bonds—especially preconceived ideas, doctrines, and attachments—to truly know God. The speakers emphasize that bonds, even those formed around God Himself, can become limitations or idols. Through testing, repentance, and even devastation, believers are refined into a deeper, more authentic relationship with God. True knowing of God comes not through comfort or fixed beliefs, but through surrender, transformation, and continual turning toward Him. Show Notes 1. The Nature of Bonds Human nature seeks attachment—to people, doctrines, and systemsThese bonds can become spiritual limitationsEven religious structures (denominations, worship styles) can restrict knowing God 2. Bonds Can Become Idols Anything we cling to for identity or security can replace GodA fixed concept of God can actually block deeper revelationTrue relationship requires freedom from these attachments 3. Breaking Bonds to Find God We must let go of ourideaof God to truly know HimQuestioning our foundation is necessary—not rejecting God, but refining understandingFear of losing what we “know” about God reveals hidden bondage 4. Testing Our Relationship with God Are we willing to have our beliefs shaken?Resistance to change or correction reveals spiritual bondageA real relationship with God can withstand testing 5. Devastation as a Path to Revelation God often uses hardship more than blessing to reveal HimselfDevastation strips away false foundationsThrough this process, we see God's love more clearly 6. Repentance and Turning to God Repentance is not just sorrow—it's turning fully to GodGod becomes the answer—not circumstances or emotionsHis reassurance builds trust: “I'm still here” 7. Becoming God's Workmanship God forms His nature within us through repeated dealingsHis love and heart are woven into us over timeThis process creates a deep determination to walk with Him 8. Walking Through Failure and Restoration Failure is part of the journeyGod remains present through mistakes and confusionLike Peter, restoration comes through love and renewed calling Key Quotes “Bonds are death… you don't bond—you become alive in Him.”“The problem with bonds is that they become an idol.”“You have to break bonds with God in order to find God.”“Are you afraid of losing your security… can you let the Lord shake it?”“Through devastation, we come to know God in a greater way.”“Let God be your answer—not circumstances.”“I'm still here… you're just not where you should be.”“Out of devastation, we'll find God.”“Are you going to make mistakes? Absolutely… but God's with you through it.” Scriptural References Exodus 20 (3–5)Idolatry and placing anything before GodIsaiah 55 (8–9)God's ways higher than our understandingHebrews 12 (6–11)God disciplines those He lovesJames 1 (2–4)Trials produce maturityRomans 12 (2)Transformation through renewed thinkingJohn 21 (15–17)Jesus restoring Peter (“Do you love Me?”)Proverbs 3 (11–12)The Lord corrects those He lovesPhilippians 3 (8–10)Letting go of all to know Christ Takeaway To truly know God, you must be willing to let go of everything you think you know about Him. Bonds—whether to doctrine, experience, or identity—can quietly replace relationship. God uses testing, shaking, and even devastation to strip away what is false so that what is real can emerge. In that process, you discover that He has never left—and that kwnoing Him is a continual, living journey, not a fixed conclusion.

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This conversation explores how God allows seasons of shaking, testing, and even loss to move believers beyond dependence on security and into a deep, personal relationship with Him. Through trials, God reveals what is truly in the heart and draws His people into a genuine, Spirit-led walk where they hear His voice, know Him intimately, and remain steadfast regardless of circumstances. Show Notes 1. Recognizing the Voice of God There is a clear difference between hearing words spoken intellectually and hearing words spoken by the Spirit.A true relationship with God brings discernment—believers recognize when something is not from Him.God is raising sensitivity to His voice and presence. 2. The Need for a Firm Spiritual Foundation Even a slight deviation from the Lord can lead away from truth.A consistent focus on God is essential to stay aligned with Him.The relationship with God is ongoing—there is always “more.” 3. Pursuing God with the Whole Heart The desire to fully know God goes beyond words—it requires lived experience.True pursuit brings transformation, not just understanding.“Where the rubber meets the road” is in daily walking it out. 4. Letting Go of False Security Many pursue God out of a need for security rather than relationship.God often removes those securities to reveal Himself.True knowing of God comes when natural supports are stripped away. 5. The Journey of Job: Testing and Revelation Job's life illustrates how God allows testing to reveal genuine faith.The removal of protection exposed the depth of Job's relationship with God.Through devastation, Job encountered a deeper revelation of God. 6. Testing Produces Endurance and Dedication Trials develop endurance, faith, and unwavering commitment.God uses testing to form something real and lasting in believers.True devotion is proven when everything else is shaken. 7. Revelation Comes Through Relationship God reveals Himself more deeply through seasons of testing.Familiar words take on new meaning after experience with God.The foundation of the Body of Christ is revelation from the Father—not knowledge alone. 8. Hearing God Personally Christianity is not meant to be secondhand—it is relational and direct.Each believer must hear God personally.The goal is a real, living relationship with Him. Quotes “You recognize immediately—that's not God—when it's not spoken by the Spirit.”“Without that foundation in the Lord, everything can be just slightly off.”“We're running after Him—we want to know Him with our whole being.”“God is not about providing security—He removes it so we can know Him.”“Only when everything is shaken do we discover what's really in our hearts.”“Job would go through anything—but he would not reject God.”“Revelation comes alive through the experience of walking through the test.”“We have to hear from God—it has to be real.” Scriptural References Job – The testing of Job and his deeper revelation of GodRomans 5(3–4) Tribulation produces perseverance, character, and hopeHebrews 12 (26–27) Everything that can be shaken will be shakenMatthew 16 (16–18) Revelation from the Father as the foundation of the ChurchJames 1 (2–4) Testing of faith produces endurancePhilippians 3 (10) “That I may know Him…” Takeaway God allows everything that can be shaken to be shaken—not to destroy us, but to remove false security and bring us into a real, unshakable relationship with Him. In the end, it's not about what we have, what we know, or what we rely on—it's about truly knowing God and hearing His voice for ourselves.

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This episode centers on the call to fully trust Christ within and enter into a place of rest, where believers stop striving and begin relying on the Spirit of God in them. Through testing and difficult situations, God is proving and deepening that trust, teaching believers to surrender control and recognize His sovereignty in every circumstance. The conversation also reveals that this walk is not meant to be lived alone. The Body of Christ functions as a living organism, where members support one another through trials. True oneness is not something manufactured by human effort—it is a spiritual reality imparted by God, unfolding within His people as they yield to Him. Ultimately, the message emphasizes that transformation, unity, and guidance come from Christ within, not from human reasoning or effort, leading believers into a deeper experience of oneness with God and each other. Show Notes Trust is being testedGod is proving whether believers truly trust Him in all circumstancesSpiritual growth comes through testing and endurance Rest in Christ within Stop striving, second-guessing, and relying on selfTrust that Christ within knows what to do and say God is in control Even when situations feel overwhelming or unclearTrust must remain even when there is no visible answer The Body is essential Believers are not meant to walk aloneThe Body functions together in suffering and support The Body is an organism, not an organization Connected directly to Christ as the HeadOperates by the Spirit, not human systems Oneness is imparted, not created It comes from God through a living wordIt unfolds within believers, not produced by effort Transformation happens by the Spirit Not through discipline or self-effortThrough yielding, waiting, and listening to God Quotes “Be still and let God be God… trust that what you're going through, God is aware of it.”“Throw all your weight on Christ in you… and quit second guessing yourself.”“Do you really trust Me, even when you can't stand?”“You're not supposed to deal with it alone… this is a body function.”“The body is not an organization… it's an organism connected to the Head.”“Oneness had nothing to do with us… it was an impartation from the Lord.”“You are not going to figure this out… it's Christ in you.” Scriptural References Psalm 46 (10)“Be still, and know that I am God”Galatians 2 (20)“Christ lives in me”Colossians 1 (27)“Christ in you, the hope of glory”John 17 (21)That they may be one as the Father and Son are one1 Corinthians 12 (26)If one member suffers, all suffer togetherEphesians 4 (15–16)Christ as the Head, the Body joined togetherHebrews 4 (9–10)Entering into His restEphesians 5 (21)Submitting to one another in the fear of God Takeaway True spiritual maturity comes when we stop striving and fully trust Christ within us, allowing Him to lead, speak, and act through our lives. This trust is proven through testing, strengthened in surrender, and expressed through a living connection with the Body of Christ. As we yield to the Spirit, oneness with God and one another naturally unfolds—not by effort, but by His life within us.

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This conversation explores the progression of God's purpose for believers—from being predestined in Christ to ultimately being glorified and walking in the fullness of God. The speakers emphasize that the Kingdom of God requires a spiritual determination, a “violence of spirit,” that refuses to remain on a lower level of life and presses into the presence and purposes of God. Romans 8 is presented as a key passage revealing that God's work of salvation—from foreknowledge to glorification—is spoken of in past tense. Believers are called to be conformed to the image of Christ in spirit, soul, and body, not merely experiencing inward redemption but moving toward a full expression of Christ's life. The conversation highlights that this fulfillment is not meant to occur through isolated spiritual individuals but through a corporate Body of believers functioning together in love and unity. As the Body of Christ grows into maturity, faith becomes collective—where one member's strength supports another. Through this unity, the life of Christ can be manifested more fully. Ultimately, the speakers point to a time when the glory of God will be revealed through His people. As believers step into their identity as sons of God and walk in the fullness of Christ's life, creation itself will experience freedom through the revealing of God's children. Show Notes Pressing Into the Kingdom The Kingdom of God advances through spiritual determination and pursuit.Believers must shake themselves free from spiritual ruts and press into the presence of the Lord.The call is to rise to the level where Christ is and dwell in the Father's presence. Conformed to the Image of Christ Romans 8 reveals that believers are predestined to become like Christ.This transformation involves the whole person—spirit, soul, and body.The life of Christ is meant to be manifested through believers. A Corporate Fulfillment God's ultimate purpose is not fulfilled through one spiritual hero.The fulfillment of Scripture requires a family of believers walking together in love.The Body of Christ functions collectively, with shared faith and mutual support. The Atmosphere God Has Been Waiting For Love, humility, and service toward one another create the environment where God's purposes can unfold.Laying aside self allows the Body to move together into the fulfillment of God's promises. The Hope of His Coming The coming of Christ is not only future but is also being completed within His people.Persistent faith and prayer bring the manifestation of what God has spoken. Refusing a Lesser Level Believers are called to refuse living on a lower spiritual plane.The “violence of spirit” is a determination to walk in the level God intends. The Glory Revealed Through the Sons of God Romans 8 reveals that creation itself awaits the revealing of the sons of God.As believers step into their identity and glorification, creation experiences freedom. Key Quotes Mike: “Sometimes we just gotta shake ourselves loose in the spirit and go after things in the Lord.” Trisha: “We are predestined from Romans eight to be conformed to the image of Christ… spirit, soul, and body.” Roger: “It cannot be fulfilled except in a family of people who really have given their lives one to another, to love each other.” Ken: “We refuse to live on a lesser plane, a lesser level, but insist on being where God is bringing forth His people.” Roger: “Where we're lacking, one is lacking faith that's made up for by somebody else's faith that we can go on into the fullness of God.” Mike: “If we've been glorified, then creation is set free to come into the glory of the sons of God.” Scriptural References Matthew 11 (12)“The Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.”John 14 (2–3)“In My Father's house are many dwelling places… that where I am, there you may be also.”Romans 8 (28–30)Predestined, called, justified, and glorified.Romans 8 (19–21)Creation waits for the revealing of the sons of God.Malachi 4 (2)“You will go out leaping like calves released from the stall.”John 9 (1–3)The blind man healed so that the works of God might be displayed.Luke 18 (1–8)The persistent widow before the unjust judge.1 Thessalonians 5 (23)“May your spirit and soul and body be kept blameless.” Takeaway God's purpose for His people moves from predestination to glorification, forming a corporate Body that reflects the life of Christ. This fulfillment does not come through isolated individuals but through a unified people walking in love, faith, and determination. As believers press into the fullness of God and become conformed to Christ in spirit, soul, and body, the glory of God is revealed through them—and creation itself begins to experience freedom.

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This conversation reveals that true sonship is formed through a deep relationship with God expressed in both His love and His discipline. While many understand God's love as comfort and affection, the speakers emphasize that His love is most powerfully revealed through refinement, correction, and personal dealings. As believers draw near to God in worship and surrender, He responds not only with comfort, but with transformation—shaping the heart, mind, and nature into His likeness. This process often involves trials, testing, and discipline, which are not signs of rejection, but evidence of acceptance as sons. Sonship is not automatic—it is a choice to walk with God through whatever He allows, trusting that every experience is designed for growth, holiness, and maturity. Over time, what once felt painful becomes understood as love, and even embraced as part of becoming fully aligned with the Father's heart. Show Notes 1. Being Set Apart and Transformed Salvation is a transfer of ownership—giving your whole life to GodGod begins actively working in the heart to bring changeAdvancement in God always produces inner transformation 2. Love Expressed Through Relationship Worship and love deepen intimacy with GodAs we love Him, we become more aware of His loveRelationship is cultivated through ongoing communion with the Father 3. God's Love Through Discipline God's response to closeness is refinement, not just comfortDiscipline is aimed at making us partakers of His holinessEach person's process is uniquely “tailor-made” by God 4. The Path of Sonship Is a Choice God does not force sonship—He invites itWalking as a son requires accepting disciplineGrowth depends on how far we choose to walk with Him 5. Learning to Embrace Trials Trials and testing are opportunities for growthThankfulness in difficulty accelerates maturityLooking back reveals God's purpose in every hardship 6. The Fire of God as Love God's fire refines and cleanses those who love HimJudgment becomes purification for those who receive HimHis love removes what is not like Him 7. Trusting the Father's Process Trust is foundational to enduring disciplineSpiritual maturity produces rest in difficult circumstancesGod uses every situation to reveal His love and build faith 8. Becoming the Bride and Sons of God God's love is relational and purposefulWe are being formed into a people aligned with His heartSonship and relationship lead into union with Christ Key Quotes “As God thrusts us into a new level, it brings about a change in our heart.” — Dale“The more we love Him, the more we experience His love.” — Ken“When you draw near to God, His response is to discipline you.” — Ron“He disciplines us so we can be partakers of His holiness.” — Ron“The fire is His love… it's refining and cleansing.” — Lois“If you want to be a son, you've got to accept His discipline.” — Debbie“He'll walk with you as far as you want to walk.” — Ron“Learn to thank Him in the trial.” — Ken“There is a trust and rest because you know who you have believed.” — Ron Scriptural References Hebrews 12 (6, 10–11)“He disciplines every son whom He receives… that we may share His holiness.”Hebrews 12 (7)“Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as His children.”James 1 (2–4)Trials produce endurance and maturityRomans 8 (14–17)Sons of God are led by the SpiritRomans 8 (28–29)All things work together for good… conformed to His imagePsalm 23 (4)“Though I walk through the valley… I will fear no evil”Galatians 3 (28)New creation identity in Christ1 Peter 4 (17)Judgment begins at the house of GodHebrews 3 (14)“If we hold firmly… we share in Christ” Takeaway God's love is not just something we feel—it is something that transforms us. If you truly want to grow into sonship, you must embrace both His love and His discipline. The very things that feel difficult are often the clearest evidence that He is working in you. ? Sonship is a choice: To trust Him. To walk with Him. To thank Him—even in the fire. Because in the end, every trial is shaping you into His image—and drawing you deeper into His heart.

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This episode explores the reality of Christ expressing Himself through His Body. As believers grow in maturity and oneness, they begin to move beyond striving and into a deeper flow of the Spirit where the Lord speaks through yielded vessels. The cross becomes the pathway into this life, bringing the dying out of self so that Christ can live and minister through His people. Instead of relying on knowledge, religious systems, or personal effort, the Body of Christ is learning to trust the Spirit of God and enter into His rest. In that place of faith and surrender, believers become living channels of the Holy Spirit, speaking a living word and ministering Christ to one another in love, freedom, and unity. Show Notes Entering a Life in the Spirit The discussion begins with the recognition that believers are being drawn into a deeper experience of knowing the Lord by the Spirit and relating to one another in that same realm. God's purpose has never been centered on isolated individuals but on a corporate Body—a family and a Kingdom through which Christ can express Himself. Maturity and Oneness in the Body As the Body matures, there is a growing sense of unity and shared life. Ministry becomes less about individual effort and more about the collective expression of Christ flowing through His people. The Cross as the Pathway The cross remains central to spiritual growth. Through the process of dying to self and accepting the Lord's dealings, believers are transformed and brought into true sonship. What may seem like pressure or difficulty is actually God's loving work shaping His sons and daughters. Moving Beyond Religion into Spirit Many believers remain stuck in systems that operate at the level of the soul and flesh. Without the work of the cross, spiritual growth stalls. True life in the Spirit requires leaving behind religious striving and entering into genuine spiritual experience. Freedom From Striving As believers learn to trust the Spirit, they stop striving to perform or prove themselves. Instead, they begin to minister from the Lord's presence, allowing His Spirit to speak through them naturally. Christ Ministering Through His People When believers serve one another with love and faith, Christ Himself is ministering through them. The Spirit flows through simple acts of obedience, planting seeds, watering hearts, and allowing God to bring the increase. Entering Into God's Rest The conversation concludes with the call to enter into God's rest. This means trusting the Lord rather than relying on personal understanding, past experiences, or religious tradition. In this place of faith and surrender, the Holy Spirit flows freely and Christ speaks through His Body. Quotes Debbie: “We're coming into a place of spirit and a place of knowing the Lord by the Spirit, and knowing each other by the spirit.” Ron: “He wants a kingdom. He wants a family. He wants a body of Christ.” Ken: “You just jump into the water and go with it. The Lord creates something that you look back and you say, who spoke that word?” Ron: “This is what God's doing because He loves me and He wants me to be a son, and He wants me to come closer to Him.” Mike: “That which is spirit is spirit. That which is flesh is flesh and religion is flesh.” Ken: “When things drop off because of the cross, all of a sudden you realize how much lighter you are.” Ron: “We're not asking people to come to the Lord. We're creating an open door in their hearts.” Ken: “We're simply ministering out of the Lord's presence in the Spirit.” Ed: “You're ministering to your brother as if he is Christ.” Ron: “This is gonna be Christ speaking through me.” Scriptural References Galatians 2 (20) “I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me.” Matthew 28 (19) “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations.” Matthew 25 (40) “Whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.” John 3 (6) “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” Hebrews 4 (9–11) “There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.” Proverbs 3 (5–6) “Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding.” Philippians 1 (21) “For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain.” 1 Corinthians 12 (27) “Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.” Takeaway Christ desires to express Himself through His people. As believers embrace the work of the cross, release striving, and trust the Holy Spirit, they enter a place of rest where the Lord speaks and ministers through them. The Body of Christ becomes a living channel of the Spirit—bringing life, freedom, and revelation to others.

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This conversation reveals that God is not primarily raising up individual spiritual heroes, but a corporate Body of believers functioning together as one living organism under Christ the Head. Through the many-membered Body, Christ receives His voice in the earth as believers speak and live the Word of God. A true word from God is creative, imparting the life and nature of God into those who receive it. As believers become cleansed and yielded vessels, they function as channels of that living Word. The vision presented is of a corporate people—an anointed family, a mighty army—each member placed by God and functioning in their unique role. Some speak the Word, others build, create, govern, serve, or perform practical works. Together they demonstrate the Kingdom of God on the earth. This corporate functioning fulfills Jesus' promise that greater works would be done, not by individuals alone but by a unified Body empowered by the Spirit of God. Show Notes 1. The Body of Christ Is Corporate, Not Individual God does not work through isolated individuals but through a many-membered Body. Believers help prepare and build one another through the living Word.Christ receives His voice through His people.The Holy Spirit speaks through yielded vessels. Key idea: God needs a people, not just a person. 2. God Places Each Member in the Body Every believer has a divinely appointed function. God sets members in the Body according to His will.No one appoints themselves or judges another's role.Each person fills a place designed by God. Realizing this brings humility and unity. 3. A Word From God Is Creative God's Word is not merely information—it creates spiritual reality. It is not aimed at intellect alone.It forms Christ within the believer.It carries the same creative power that formed the world. Receiving the Word requires openness, dedication, and purification. 4. God Is Raising a Body That Knows Him The Holy Spirit is emphasizing a corporate people who know God personally. Each member can hear from the Lord.Each member can speak a living word.Christ is expressed through the whole Body. This represents a new level of corporate awareness of Christ within. 5. Greater Works Through the Corporate Body Jesus' promise of greater works becomes possible through a unified Body. One person can accomplish much.Many functioning together can accomplish far more.The family of God releases multiplied authority. This reveals the potential power of the Body when aligned with Christ. 6. The Kingdom Requires Many Functions The Body includes far more than speakers or preachers. God raises up: CraftsmenBuildersWorkersCreatorsLeadersServants The Kingdom operates through anointed people doing God's work in every sphere of life. 7. The Body of Christ Is a Mighty Army The Body functions like an army with many roles. Not everyone is on the front line.Each function contributes to victory.God's power is revealed through the collective. The strength of the army comes from God working through His people together. Key Quotes Mike “God needs a people, not one person. Through this many-membered body He functions, and we give Christ His voice.” Ken “When you realize you're part of something greater than yourself, you begin to see the greater works Jesus promised.” Ron “When a word comes from God, it is God. It carries the same creative power He used to create the world.” Mike “Our prophecies and prayers will do more than any law passed by man.” Ron “The Kingdom is not just people speaking the Word. It's men and women who do God.” Ken “What we're really talking about is a mighty army.” Scriptural References The Body of Christ 1 Corinthians 12 (12–18)“For as the body is one and has many members…”Romans 12 (4–5)“So we, being many, are one body in Christ.” Members Placed by God 1 Corinthians 12 (18)“God has set the members, each one of them, in the body just as He pleased.” The Creative Power of the Word Genesis 1 (3)“Then God said, ‘Let there be light,' and there was light.”Isaiah 55 (11)“So shall My word be… it shall accomplish what I please.”Hebrews 4 (12)“The word of God is living and powerful.” Greater Works

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This conversation explores the central truth that love is the only foundation upon which spiritual life and ministry can function effectively. While doctrine, discipline, gifting, and structure all have their place, they ultimately fail if they are not rooted in the love of God. The speakers identify frustration in ministry, especially around the recognition of the fivefold ministry, as often stemming from a deeper issue—the absence of love as the driving motivation. Love is not about position or title. Christ alone holds the position. The Body functions properly not when offices are recognized, but when believers operate in His presence and His love. True maturity is not defined by visible roles but by oneness formed through divine love. As believers press into love and unity, everything contrary to it surfaces—division, pride, self-will, and accusation. These exposures are not setbacks but part of God's cleansing process. Love sustains, corrects, humbles, and empowers the Body to function as family. Without it, nothing works. With it, Christ prevails. Show Notes 1. Love as the Core Motivation Change begins with motivation.Ministry, gifts, and discipline fail without love.Love must be the foundation of everything. 2. The House Analogy Structure alone does not make a home livable.Spiritual systems may look perfect but won't function without love.Love is what makes the “house” of God livable. 3. Frustration Around Fivefold Ministry Correct doctrine does not guarantee effectiveness.Recognition of offices does not produce maturity.The missing element is the impartation and appropriation of God's love. 4. No Positions in the Family Christ alone holds the position.The fivefold ministry functions organically within the Body.Grace, not title, brings forth true ministry. 5. Love and Oneness Love cannot be separated from unity or fullness.Maturity comes through shared participation in love.Oneness emerges as love deepens. 6. Love Exposes the Opposite Pressing into love brings hidden division to the surface.Accusations and relational tensions test love.Laying down self-will is necessary for unity. 7. Love Sustains and Prevails The Lord prevails through love, not personal striving.Love keeps believers steady through backlash.Failure becomes an opportunity for cleansing and growth. 8. The Example of Moses Korah operated from position-thinking.Moses responded in humility and worship.Love trusts God to defend and establish. Key Quotes “It's all about motivation.”“If the true motivation of the love of the Lord's not in your heart… things just fail.”“You can have all your doctrines correct… and yet things don't work.”“There are no positions in the family.”“He's the only one with the position.”“Without the love of Christ, you're nothing.”“Take up the banner of love and oneness—we're not going any further.”“The Lord will prevail—not you—but the Lord will prevail through you.”“The love of Christ controls us.”“It's God's love in all aspects of who we are and what we're doing.” Scriptural References 1 Corinthians 13 (1–3) Without love, even spiritual gifts and sacrifice amount to nothing. Ephesians 4 (11–16) Fivefold ministry given for maturity and unity in Christ. Colossians 3 (14) Love as the perfect bond of unity. 2 Corinthians 5 (14) “The love of Christ controls us.” Matthew 22 (37–40) The greatest commandments: love God and love others. 1 John 4 (8) “God is love.” 1 John 1 (9) Faithful forgiveness and cleansing. Numbers 16 Moses and Korah — humility before God versus position-seeking. Takeaway Spiritual growth, unity, and effective ministry cannot be manufactured through structure, recognition, or correct teaching alone. The determining factor is love—God's love imparted, received, and lived out. When love governs: The Body functions without striving.Positions fade and grace emerges.Christ prevails through His people. The real question is not, “Are we structured correctly?” It is, “Are we motivated by love?” Love is not an addition to the foundation. It is the foundation.

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. SUMMARY This episode explores what it truly means to seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness. The discussion centers on surrendering to Christ's authority, aligning with His purposes, and allowing Him to manifest His Kingdom through a yielded people. The family emphasizes that worship is not merely singing, but presenting our lives as living sacrifices. True Kingdom alignment is revealed when believers continue loving, trusting, and walking with God regardless of circumstances. The ultimate question remains: Is God enough? SHOW NOTES Seeking first the Kingdom means living under Christ's authority.Righteousness is alignment with His will, not self-effort.The Kingdom has been present since Christ introduced it and is now being manifested.The Kingdom is revealed through humility and surrendered vessels.We do not bring the Kingdom; we align with His purposes and allow Him to work.Worship is the purest expression of seeking the Kingdom.Worship is not just singing—it is presenting our bodies as living sacrifices.The greatest worship is loving God regardless of circumstance.True commitment says, “I will walk with God whether I live or die.”Overcoming comes through the blood of the Lamb, our testimony, and loving not our lives unto death.The love of the Lord is unchanging and unfathomable.God completes what He begins.The central question: Is God enough in every situation? KEY QUOTES “If He's King, then He's in authority, and whatever He speaks, that we do.”“We don't bring the Kingdom; we align our spirits with His purposes.”“The greatest worship you and I can give is when, in spite of everything we go through, we say, ‘Yes, I love You.'”“Is God enough for you? Worship Him.”“To love Him is His perfect will.”“There has to be that thing in your spirit that says, ‘I'm going to walk with God regardless if I live or die.'”“The love of the Lord is the key.”“What He has begun, He will complete.” SCRIPTURAL REFERENCES Matthew 6 (33)– Seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness.Matthew 11 (12)– The Kingdom suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.Romans 12 (1)– Present your bodies a living sacrifice, your spiritual service of worship.Revelation 12 (11)– Overcome by the blood of the Lamb, the word of testimony, and loving not our lives unto death.Hebrews 12 (2)– Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith.Psalm 22 (3)– He dwells in the praises of His people.Jeremiah 31 (33)– I will write My law on their hearts.Philippians 1 (6)– He who began a good work in you will complete it. TAKEAWAY Seeking first the Kingdom is not about activity—it is about surrender. When we worship, yield, and love God regardless of circumstances, we align with His purposes and allow His Kingdom to be manifested through us. The question every believer must answer is simple but profound: Is God enough?

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This message reveals that divine order is not created by human structure, hierarchy, or position, but by submission to the Lordship of Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit. In this “new day,” individual independence gives way to corporate submission—each member of the Body aligned under Christ as Head. Ministries such as apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers are not ranks of authority but expressions of the Holy Spirit moving through different members at different times. No individual receives preeminence; the anointing belongs to God alone. Just as a physical body functions in coordinated harmony under the direction of the head, so the Ecclesia functions when every part submits one to another under Christ. Divine order is not democracy, nor hierarchy—it is Spirit-led alignment under the Lordship of Jesus. Show Notes 1. Divine Order Is Not Man-Made Divine order is not someone “setting people in place.”It is not structural hierarchy.It flows from submission to Jesus Christ as Lord.In this day, independence in spiritual life is not sustainable.The whole family must be aligned together. 2. The Holy Spirit Creates the Order The Holy Spirit is the source of all anointing.Ministry roles are not fixed titles but Spirit-led expressions.At one moment someone may function apostolically; at another, differently.The Spirit is the true Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor, and Teacher.God does not share His glory with individuals. 3. The Body Functions Through Alignment No part is more important than another.Just as the physical body functions under the brain's direction, the Body of Christ functions under Christ as Head.When one part is missing or out of alignment, the whole body suffers.Divine order means the right function at the right time under the Spirit's direction. 4. Submission Is the Key Jesus washing the disciples' feet demonstrated mutual submission.Leadership exists for equipping the saints—not self-exaltation.“Submit one to another in the fear of God.”Lordship is not democracy; Christ is Lord.Under His Lordship, we are changed and refined. 5. The True Ecclesia The church is not a building but people gathered in submission to Christ.Ministries are gifts for maturity in the Body.God sets members in the Body as it pleases Him.The goal is a mature, functioning Body under Christ. Key Quotes “Divine order is centered in the Holy Spirit.”“It's not hierarchy—it's the Holy Spirit expressing Himself.”“God is not going to share His glory with anyone.”“No one has to be the outstanding one—we are all equal in the Body of Christ.”“Submission is such a key point in all of this.”“He's the Lord—not a democracy.”“When we submit our spirits to the Lordship of Jesus Christ, He controls what we speak.”“There will be order in the Kingdom Ecclesia—and it's happening.” Scriptural References Lordship & Submission Ephesians 5 (21) “Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.”Philippians 2 (9–11) Every knee bowing to Jesus as Lord.Luke 22 (26–27) The greatest among you shall be as the servant. The Body of Christ 1 Corinthians 12 (12–27) Many members, one body.Romans 12 (4–5) Members one of another.1 Corinthians 12 (18) God sets the members in the body as it pleases Him. Ministry Gifts Ephesians 4 (11–13) Given for equipping the saints.1 Corinthians 12 (4–7) Varieties of gifts, same Spirit. God's Glory Isaiah 42 (8) “My glory I will not give to another.” The Ecclesia Matthew 18 (20) Where two or three are gathered in My name.Acts 2 (42–47) The functioning early church community. Takeaway Divine order is not about position, prominence, or control—it is about submission to the Lordship of Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit. When each member yields to Him and to one another, the Body functions in harmony, maturity, and power. The Spirit determines expression, God receives the glory, and Christ alone remains the Head.

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. SUMMARY This podcast explores the deeper work of God beyond salvation and the baptism of the Holy Spirit. The family emphasize that true oneness in the Body of Christ is formed not by gifts or experiences, but by the purifying fire of God that burns away the old nature. Many believers stop after initial experiences with the Lord, but God calls His people into a progressive, transformative journey that requires hunger, submission, and surrender. SHOW NOTES Many believers move in gifts but lack ongoing hunger.Gifts alone do not produce oneness—only continual revelation does.The Holy Spirit gives power but not transformation by itself.The fire burns away carnality, individuality, and self-centeredness.The early church was forged in fire—pressure, persecution, divine dealings.True oneness forms when people face fire together.When tested, believers can either submit or become bitter.Trials expose the “chaff”—selfishness, attitudes, and old patterns.God won't force surrender.The key is asking what God desires.Believers were bought with a price.Self-will and personal control must submit to the potter's hands.Being Christ's disciple means relinquishing ownership of one's life.Christ leads; believers follow.“This is just who I am” is not truth—God plans to remake His people. QUOTES Ken: “The gift without the hunger leaves something lacking.” “There is more. It's an exciting, eventful journey into God.” “You're the one God wants to change and create in His image.” Ron: “You may move in the gifts and still be very carnal.” “The fire is the next step God is requiring.” “If you're not your own, you don't get to make the decisions about your life anymore.” Debbie: “To become a son, you must go through the fire.” “To be a Kingdom disciple means I no longer belong to myself—I belong entirely to Christ.” “If Christ leads, nothing is wasted.” Mike: “You are not your own… you were bought with a price.” “We glorify God by letting Him come through the vessel.” Lois: “What is being burned out? Selfishness. All of those attitudes.” SCRIPTURAL REFERENCES - 1 Corinthians 6 (19–20) - Acts 2 – Day of Pentecost - Acts 5 (1–11) – Ananias & Sapphira - Philippians 1 (6) - Malachi 3 (2–3) - Romans 12 (1–2) - Luke 22 (42) - Isaiah 64 (8) - John 17 (21–23) TAKEAWAY The pathway to oneness in the Body of Christ is formed in the fire of God that burns away the old nature and forms His likeness in us. The fire reveals motives, removes selfishness, reshapes our identity, and brings us into a unity only God can create. Oneness is born when believers surrender their will, humble their hearts, embrace God's dealings, and allow Christ to fully live through them. The fire is not punishment—it is formation, God's love forging His sons into His image, together.

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This message reveals that the “greater works” Jesus spoke of are not primarily outward signs and wonders, but the inward work of God forming His people into true oneness. Through the breaking of the human nature and the renewing of the mind and spirit, God is creating a people who can see with His eyes, love with His heart, and function together as a fully formed body in Christ. These greater works culminate in the completion of the Body of Christ—living, unified, and expressing God's heart toward all. Show Notes • The “greater works” include miracles, but go far beyond outward manifestations • Human personality, mindset, and effort cannot produce true unity • Oneness is a work of the Spirit, not agreement of opinions • God is forming a people who are not recognizable by natural or religious standards • Comparison and self-measurement hinder spiritual transformation • A broken spirit allows God to change us more quickly and deeply • The greatest sign is what happens inwardly before it manifests outwardly • Seeing with God's eyes removes contempt, prejudice, and judgment • Jesus consistently defied human ideas of worthiness • The ultimate greater work is the completion of the Body of Christ • Oneness reveals God's heart toward every person • God alone receives the glory—this work cannot be credited to human effort Key Quotes “You cannot bring people into one mind naturally, but in the Spirit, God brings us into oneness.” “The greatest sign you're going to see is the one that happens inside.” “God is creating something so new that it's

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This conversation explores God's work in forming not isolated individuals, but a corporate people—a family and a royal priesthood. Through devastation, humility, and submission, God is bringing forth a purified company that exists not for personal gain, recognition, or ministry ambition, but to minister to the Lord Himself. The family emphasize that devastation is not meaningless suffering but a divine process that strips away self-interest and prepares God's people to walk as sons, worshipers, and priests. This priesthood is not defined by position or title, but by a spiritual state of being—one that fulfills God's eternal purpose revealed from the foundation of the world. Show Notes God is shifting from individual ministry emphasis to acorporate, family expressionTeaching and ministry flow through thebody, not a single voiceEach believer carries a different aspect of what the Spirit is speakingDevastation humbles the heart and removes pride and self-ambitionGod is raising acompany, not elevating personalitiesWorship is offering ourselves fully to God as living sacrificesPriesthood is aspiritual state, not an individual roleThe motivation of walking with God changes from “what I get” to “what God gets”God is forming a people for His own possessionSons of God walk in the earth as Christ walkedTrue priesthood is formed through submission, not recognitionGod is the potter; we are the clay Key Quotes “The teaching priest is coming through the family, through the body—not one person.”“There is a greater purity in the company God is raising up rather than individuals.”“Devastation is a prelude to the priesthood.”“The motivation of walking with God changes when it's no longer about us.”“God is creating a people for His own possession.”“

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary Interdependent By Design: Living As One Body In Christ explores God's intention that His people grow, mature, and function together—not as isolated individuals, but as a unified spiritual body. Through shared revelation, submission, and love, believers are formed into a living family where Christ ministers through each member to the whole. The discussion highlights how spiritual relationships are established by God Himself, refined through humility and service, and sustained by a revelation of Christ's love for His body. True oneness is revealed not through preference or personality, but through obedience, forgiveness, and a willingness to open our hearts to one another in the Spirit. Show Notes Spiritual growth deepens in seasons that feel like “winter,” producing stronger rootsGod designed believers to live interdependently, not independentlyTrue oneness flows from a shared revelation of Jesus ChristRelationships within the body are formed and established by GodLoving one another begins with understanding how God loves His bodyServing one another is central to walking in Christ's lifeWashing one another's feet represents humility, openness, and spiritual ministryClosing our hearts to one another closes our hearts to the LordForgiveness and reconciliation are essential to spiritual fellowshipThe Spirit often ministers without words—presence carries lifeEvery believer is a spiritual being, carrying Christ to those around them Key Quotes “We're never separated. We're always together.”“It's not an individual thing; it's a collectiveness of the family, the body of Christ.”“Our oneness is based upon a common revelation of Jesus Christ.”“It's the Lord Jesus Christ establishing relationships.”“We don't have the right to close our heart and walk away.”“Sometimes all you have to do is just love one another.”“Serving is giving what we are and who we are to each other.”“The body cleanses itself—Christ in me, ministering to you.”“We are 24/7 spiritual beings.”“It's not hard to be what we are—we're sons of God.” Scriptural References...

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary In From One Voice to Many: God Is Raising an Anointed Family, the family unpack a profound spiritual transition taking place in this present Age of the Spirit. God is moving His people out of leader-centric ministry models and into a many-membered, anointed family where Christ alone is the Head. This shift is not the result of human strategy or failed systems, but a sovereign work of God forming a unified body marked by oneness, shared anointing, and collective revelation. As old structures crumble, God is not repairing what is broken—He is birthing something entirely new. This new life emerges through dying to the old nature and discovering resurrection life together, not individually. The anointing increases as oneness increases, and revelation flows through a hungry, seeking people who are committed to walking together in total discipleship. God is raising up groups around the world who hunger and thirst for Him, learning to function as one body where every member carries life, purpose, and voice. Show Notes The era of ministry flowing through one dominant voice is endingGod is forming a many-membered, anointed familyThis move is initiated by God—not human innovationThe anointing is common to the whole body, not a select fewOneness produces greater revelation and greater anointingOld religious structures are being dismantled, not repairedGod is creating something entirely new by His SpiritSpiritual growth and transformation happen in community, not isolationEvery believer has a function and carries life for the bodyHunger, faith, and seeking God are the doorway into this realityThe body of Christ is designed for mutual impartation and supportWeakness is met with strength through shared life in the SpiritChrist alone is the Head—ministry flows from Him through His body Key Quotes “The ministry is going to come out of the family.”“This is not human maneuvering—God is creating this.”“It's not a few anointed leaders and many unanointed followers.”“The anointing and the revelation grow as the oneness grows.”“God doesn't want to fix what's broken—He wants to create something new.”“You're not going to do this...

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This conversation explores the end of fixed ministry roles and the emergence of a fluid, Spirit-led divine order centered entirely in the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Rather than assigning titles such as apostle, prophet, pastor, or teacher through human designation, the discussion emphasizes that Christ Himself manifests through His body as needed, moment by moment, by the Holy Spirit. Rigid structures often limit spiritual flow, while humility, flexibility, and recognition of Christ in one another allow true divine order to function. Jesus modeled the fullness of ministry, showing that ministry is not a position to hold but Christ to be lived. Show Notes Ministry roles are expressions of Christ, not static titlesDivine order is fluid and Spirit-ledThe Holy Spirit determines function and timingJesus embodied all expressions of ministryHumility and flexibility protect against prideRecognition of Christ replaces formal designationThe fivefold ministry becomes a shared realityFocus shifts from identity to union with ChristLove and intimacy with Christ release authentic ministrySpeak Christ, Live Christ becomes the posture of the body Key Quotes “Divine order is fluid. A human doesn't designate it—the Holy Spirit does.”“Christ isn't in pieces. He's all in one.”“You do not have to have recognition to function in what God puts in your heart.”“When the emphasis on ministry disappears, Christ flows naturally.” “Speak Christ,...

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary When Striving Ceases and Christ Remains explores the paradox of spiritual rest—how God continues His deep, transforming work in us even as our own striving comes to an end. True rest is not the absence of God's dealings but the assurance that what He began, He will complete. As self is crucified and Christ is formed within, believers learn to trust the process, rest in God's faithfulness, and walk together as one body. This rest is rooted in trust, impartation, and living from Christ's life rather than our own effort. Show Notes God's rest does not cancel His work; it anchors us while He continues itThe assurance that God finishes what He begins brings deep inner restStriving harder does not satisfy the soul—rest in Christ doesSpiritual rest coexists with transformation, crucifixion, and inner dealingsDispleasure with self often signals God's deeper work within usRest is not passivity; it is trust in God's faithfulness and processTrue growth comes byimpartation, not information or knowledge aloneOur life is no longer our own—it is Christ living in usTrust is cultivated through the Word, which connects us to the FatherThe Body of Christ grows together; no one walks this path aloneGod has already brought us into rest—we are learning to live from itFocusing on who Christis, not who we are not, sustains spiritual rest Quotes “There's a place of rest we can move into in the Lord Jesus that satisfies us right down to the root.”“Our energy ceases, but the travail of our heart does not.”“What He began in us, He is going to complete.”“The deeper God goes in our hearts, the more displeasure we have with ourselves—and that is His good pleasure.”“It's not knowledge; it comes by impartation.”“When you begin to rest, you trust—and trust is the key.”“Don't look at what you're not. Look at what He is.” Scriptural References

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This episode reveals how God uses the fire of His Spirit to purify and perfect His sons. Through trials, sufferings, and divine fire, believers are transformed into His likeness. The conversation unfolds the purpose behind life's fiery experiences—showing that they are not punishment, but God's refining process. The speakers emphasize that holiness, sanctification, and spiritual maturity come only through the fire of God's presence. As the chaff is burned away, what remains is purity, gold, and the image of Christ manifesting through His people. Show Notes The Purpose of Fire: Every suffering and trial is God's design to complete His work in His sons.Chaff and the Old Nature: The “chaff” represents the Adamic nature being burned away through God's refining fire.Submitting to the Process: Transformation is not achieved through human effort, but by surrender to the fire of God.God as a Consuming Fire: To walk with Him means to partake of His purifying nature (Hebrews 12:29).The Fire of Pentecost: The tongues of fire in Acts were the fulfillment of John's prophecy—baptism with the Holy Spirit and fire.Rejoicing in the Fire: Trials are not strange occurrences but evidence of being chosen and sanctified.Faith Tested in the Furnace: Like the three Hebrew children, believers are not destroyed by the fire but transformed in it.Sanctification Through Fire: God uses the fire to purify His people, making them ready to dwell in His holy presence.Obedience and Judgment: Once obedience is complete, the purified sons of God will release His righteous judgment and cleansing on the earth.Transformation and Victory: Through the fire, believers move from victimhood to conquerors, walking in divine authority.End Result: The fire burns only the wood, hay, and stubble—leaving behind refined gold and silver that glorify God. Quotes...

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary Not by the Ear, but by the Spirit centers on learning to hear the voice of the Lord beyond human reasoning, preference, or intellect. The speakers emphasize that true hearing comes by the Holy Spirit and is confirmed inwardly and corporately through the many-membered body of Christ. God speaks through many channels—Scripture, family, songs, children, circumstances, and the presence carried by believers—but His voice always resonates with the spirit, not merely the mind. This conversation calls believers to remain open, discerning, and present-focused, hearing what God is saying now, walking in divine order, and submitting every thought, word, and action under the lordship of Christ. Show Note Hearing God's voice requires waiting, humility, and openness of heartThe Holy Spirit makes the Word alive beyond human understandingGod speaks through many spiritual “channels,” not just one familiar voiceDivine order comes through confirmation in the body, not private interpretationHearing in the Spirit protects us from being led by intellect, emotion, or desireWho we are in Christ ministers more than what we sayThe presence of Christ carried within believers changes atmospheresGrowth requires letting go of old thinking, habits, and soulish reactionsThe mind must become a servant to the spirit, not a challenger to itChrist revealed—not human perspective—is the highest form of revelationKnowingaboutGod is different from knowing Him in the SpiritThe present speaking of God is more vital than past experiences Quotes “It's not about hearing things on a human intellectual level—it's about hearing in the Spirit.”“There are many voices, but when the voice of the Lord comes, it identifies with your spirit.”“Who we are ministers more than what we say.”“Our spirits speak louder than our words.”“Divine order is when you hear a word from God and it resonates and is confirmed through your brothers.”“You can't iron the wrinkles out—you have to fill the bag.”“It's a determination not to be part of the world, but part of the Kingdom.”“

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. SUMMARY “Aggressive Submission: The Path to Kingdom Authority” explores the foundational truth that spiritual authority flows directly from submission—first to God, and then to Christ expressed within His body. Authority is not something we seize, claim, or declare independently; it is released through a mature, intentional, and ongoing surrender of our will to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. The discussion emphasizes that true submission is not passive or coerced but aggressive—a deliberate choosing of obedience, accountability, and alignment with God's order. As believers mature, they become personally responsible for maintaining submission in spirit, resisting individualism, and remaining connected to the body of Christ. This shared submission creates a pure spiritual atmosphere where Christ's authority moves through His people as one, establishing His kingdom on the earth. SHOW NOTES • Authority is given by God and expressed through obedience to what He speaks to our hearts • Submission is progressive; deeper submission brings greater authority • Christ Himself modeled aggressive submission to the Father • Submission is relational and lived out within the body of Christ • Spiritual maturity requires personal responsibility for one's spirit • Authority in the Kingdom is ordered, not equal • Revelation must be confirmed within the body • Apostolic and fivefold ministries equip the saints • A pure spiritual atmosphere is formed through shared submission • God is bringing His people into chosen maturity KEY QUOTES “We move in the degree of authority that we've submitted to.”“Christ was aggressively submitted to the Father.”“Submission is not passive—it's a demand you place on your own spirit.”“If we are truly submissive like Christ was, there's no limit to the authority that can move through us.”“Revelation without confirmation takes you out of the body.”“The kingdom of God is not in the sky—it's here, and it's real.”“A pure atmosphere is created when we submit our hearts to the Lord and walk as one.” SCRIPTURAL REFERENCES Luke 22-42  “Not My will, but Yours be done” Ephesians 4-11to13  Fivefold ministry equipping the saints toward maturity Matthew 16-16 to19  Revelation as the foundation of the Ecclesia Judges 21-25 – Every man doing what is right in his own eyes 1 Corinthians 14-29 – Confirmation through two or three witnesses 1 Corinthians 15-24 to 28 – Christ submitting all things to the Father TAKEAWAY...

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. SUMMARY This conversation centers on holding a right spirit before God, especially when dealing with people who challenge, irritate, or disagree with us. The speakers emphasize that spiritual maturity is not about reacting from human nature but about remaining open, humble, broken, and led by the Spirit. Rather than relying on personal discernment or strong opinions, believers are called to listen, take matters to the Lord, and respond from love. God's corrective work—though often uncomfortable—is an expression of His love, shaping His sons and daughters into His nature. True oneness, family, and spiritual growth flow from maintaining a right spirit before Him. SHOW NOTES • God often speaks through people who rub us the wrong way • Keeping a right spirit is a continual surrender to the Lord • Not everything spoken needs to be received—hold it before God • Break bonds with human reactions; stay connected in the Spirit • Strong opinions do not equal spiritual truth • Ask the Holy Spirit what to take and what to leave • Authority comes from recognizing the spirit behind words • Humility, brokenness, and sensitivity are essential • Trust the voice of the Lord over personal discernment • Love without buying into disagreement • God's love includes chiseling and shaping His workmanship • Trials refine the spirit and form Christ's nature in us • We are the reward of Christ's suffering • True fellowship produces oneness, inclusion, and spiritual flow KEY QUOTES “The end result is I'm wrong, and He's right.” “You have to be able to speak through anyone to me.” “If it's from the Lord, the Lord's gonna minister to you something from it.” “Break your bonds on a human level.” “Keep your spirit open and right before the Lord—that's the key.” “I don't want to rely on discernment; I want to rely on the voice of the Lord.” “God's love is not human.” “He's gonna get the chisel out again.” “We are the reward of His sufferings.” “Love them and be one with the Lord on earth.” SCRIPTURAL REFERENCES Psalm 51:17 — A broken and contrite heart God will not despise Matthew 7:1–5 — Removing the beam from our own eye Ephesians 4:14–15 — Not tossed by every wind of doctrine John 10:27 — “My sheep hear My voice” Romans 8:29 — Being conformed to the image of His Son

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This episode explores what it truly means to belong to God and to live as vessels of His Spirit. Drawing from Paul's words in Corinthians, the conversation centers on the profound truth that we are the temple of God and no longer our own. True freedom comes not from external circumstances but from yielding our will to His and allowing the Holy Spirit to dwell, renew, and govern our lives. Through shared insights, the family veils how living as God's possession breaks the bondage of the soul-flesh nature and brings us into freedom, love, and purpose. The episode emphasizes the power of relationships within the body of Christ, the necessity of prayer for one another, and the reality that no one stands alone—we stand because others uphold us. Communion, humility, and faith become the pathways into transformation and deeper oneness in His Spirit. Show Notes • We are God's temple. The Holy Spirit dwells in us, not as a theological idea but as a present, active reality. • Submission brings freedom. Yielding our will to His produces the peace, joy, and love that true freedom is made of. God is the potter—we are the clay. • Freedom from the soul-flesh nature “For freedom we have been set free.” We escape bondage only by the Spirit, never by self-effort. • We belong to Him Accepting ourselves as His possession removes fear, doubt, and striving. It frees us to serve His purposes without burden. • The essential ministry of the body No one stands alone. We are upheld by each other's prayers, love, and intercession. Every believer has a ministry of love and edification. • Communion as transformation We partake of His body and blood not as ritual, but with sincerity, inviting His nature into our present circumstances. • Praying for one another

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This podcast explores how God uses the baptism of fire to transform believers from merely human reactions into the expression of His divine nature. Through trials, discipline, and surrender, the Lord burns away dross, purifies the heart, and brings His people into deeper realms of peace, joy, and freedom. As we submit to His dealings, Christ Himself perfects us, creating a pure bride who responds to every situation out of His nature rather than the soul. This process leads us level by level into maturity, oneness, and fruitful participation in the life of God. Show Notes God's fire finishes the work by burning away dross, chaff, and hidden attachmentsThe baptism of fire produces peace, freedom, and deeper release in GodVictory comes through submission, not self-preservationGod is preparing a clean bride to stand in His presence without reservationTransformation comes through yielding, not human effortDiscipline is evidence of sonship and loveThe fire produces divine responses instead of human reactionsGod is forming His own nature within usEach level of fire produces greater fruitfulnessFellowship strengthens us through God's dealingsThe goal is participation in the divine nature Key Quotes “The fire finishes the work because it burns away everything that doesn't belong in our spirits.”“We're not going forward by our humanity, but by the grace of God and His anointing.”“The only thing we have to do is submit—Christ is the One perfecting us.”“

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary The discussion focuses on becoming living epistles—believers whose lives and words embody the living Christ. Using the parable of the wise and foolish virgins as a foundation, the speakers emphasize that maintaining the oil of the Spirit is essential to engage with the Bridegroom. True transformation and ministry flow not from intellect or revelation alone, but from impartation—the living Word of Christ spoken through a heart filled with the Holy Spirit. The group also reflects on building upon the true foundation of Christ, allowing the Spirit—not human leadership—to guide this maturing movement. The conversation concludes with an acknowledgment of God's love, grace, and free will given to all, highlighting that every person is being drawn to deeper relationship and maturity in Him. Show Notes • The parable of the five wise and five foolish virgins illustrates spiritual readiness through maintaining the anointing (oil). • Revelation is valuable, but the goal is relationship and impartation, not just knowledge. • Living epistles are those who speak Christ—their words create, impart, and transform. • The true Word of the Lord brings fruit; if no fruit appears, it's time for growth, not condemnation. • Foundation in Christ remains essential—believers must build upon it, not start over. • The movement today is leaderless in human terms but guided by the Spirit of Christ, the true Apostle and Head. • As each person matures, roles shift—sometimes shepherd, sometimes sheep—all under grace. • Even those focused on basic salvation messages have their purpose in God's plan. • Spiritual growth comes through hunger and choice—a willingness to move beyond the familiar. • God's plan is inclusive—He gives everyone opportunity to come into the knowledge of the Lord. • We are living in the day of impartation, where transformation happens through the Spirit's presence and spoken Word. Quotes • “Without the oil—the anointing, the Holy Spirit—there's no connection.” — Ken • “The true living epistles aren't revelators or expositors. They are those who speak Christ in the earth.” — Ron • “If a true living epistle speaks to you, you're going to change if your heart's open.” — Ron • “Be careful how you build on that foundation.” — Ken (quoting Paul) • “We're leaning on the Spirit to lead us. The true apostle is Christ Himself, the Head.” — Mike • “It's because we're solid in that foundation that we can go higher in revelation.” — Lois • “Every heart has to decide—am I hungry enough to seek out something different?” — Ron • “This is the day of Spirit—the year of Spirit—we are there.” — Ken Scriptural References • Matthew 25:1–13 — The Parable of the Wise and Foolish Virgins; keeping oil (the Spirit) to engage the Bridegroom. • 2 Corinthians 3:2–3 — You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men... written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God. • John...

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This episode explores the essential process of spiritual growth for new believers and the importance of being integrated into a living, functioning Body of Christ. The speakers emphasize that Christianity is not an individual journey but a shared walk where believers are brought into oneness, trained to wait on the Lord, and taught by impartation—not just teaching. Small groups, relationships, and spiritual family dynamics are highlighted as the key environment where believers mature, learn to hear God, and develop genuine oneness in the Spirit. The episode stresses the supernatural nature of the Body of Christ and the deep need for relationship, impartation, and the leading of the Holy Spirit. Show Notes The problem of placing new believers into immediate church work.Many believers begin doing tasks before learning to walk with the Lord or being led by the Spirit.Learning to wait on the Lord.New believers must be trained in waiting on God, His Word, and His Spirit.The shift from individuality to oneness.God is moving His people from isolated spiritual lives into a connected Body where every joint supplies.Why small groups matter.Smaller gatherings foster relationship, impartation, safety, trust, and real spiritual growth.Impartation versus teaching.Growth happens through spiritual impartation, not just instruction.The supernatural nature of the Body.Structure alone won't work—only the Holy Spirit brings unity and transformation.Being set into the Body by God.Believers are placed into spiritual family "as it pleases Him," not through personal choice or human organization.Challenges of...

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary “Creating a Pure Kingdom Atmosphere” explores how purity of spirit shapes the environment in which God moves. Each speaker emphasizes the inner condition of the heart—brokenness, humility, confession, and right motivation—as the essential foundation for maintaining a spiritual atmosphere where revelation, healing, and unity flourish. The episode stresses that a pure atmosphere is not something we enter; it is something we become. By refusing to relate to one another after the flesh, confronting our reactions, embracing God's dealings, and pressing on to know the Lord, we create an atmosphere where His presence is free to work in and through the Body of Christ. Show Notes 1. Purity Creates Atmosphere - A pure spirit purifies the environment around us. - The pure in heart see God (Matt. 5:8). - Jesus could not perform miracles among those who knew Him after the flesh. - We must know one another after the Spirit. 2. The Formula for Purity - Psalm 51:17: A broken spirit and contrite heart create an atmosphere God receives. 3. Entering a Pure Atmosphere - Humility and contrition open the door to God's presence. 4. Confession and Reactions - Confessing sins cleans the air spiritually. - Hidden reactions obstruct personal and communal growth. - Even small attitudes shape atmosphere. 5. Evaluating the Spirit, Not Deeds - True evaluation is the motivation of the spirit. - Past victories or failures cannot define us. 6. God's Loving Wounding - God exposes, heals, and purifies. - Hosea 6:1–3—He tears and heals. 7. Becoming the Atmosphere - By God's grace, we become the spiritual atmosphere for one another. Key Quotes “A pure spirit can purify the atmosphere.” — Dale“A broken spirit and a contrite heart: there is the formula.” — Pauline“If I react against someone, I hinder their growth and my own.” — Linda“All you can evaluate is the motivation of your spirit.” — Pat“The Lord can lance wounds and heal them—He can hurt you and bind you up again.” — Debbie Scriptural References Matthew 5:8 — Blessed are the pure in...

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary “The Rise of the Prophet-Priest People” unveils a deep spiritual reality: God is forming a remnant of believers who embody both the prophetic and priestly ministries, walking in oneness, love, and divine impartation. The speakers emphasize returning to the original purpose of God—people created in His image before time—to become a functioning Body led by the Spirit rather than religious structures. Like Ezekiel's dry bones, the Church must be spoken to, revived, and brought into life and unity. This transformation is not based on individual greatness, denomination, or human qualification, but on the lordship of Christ, the creative Word, and a heart of willingness. God is forming a people who walk as one Body, without division, egos, or rank—where His glory alone is revealed through a many-membered expression of the prophet-priest people. Show Notes 1. Created Before Time — Returning to Our Origin Ephesians 1:3–6 reveals our identity before creation: spirit beings patterned after Christ.Walking in this revelation brings urgency and clarity to the present day. 2. The Dry Bones Must Live The Church is like Ezekiel's dry bones—divided, lifeless, fragmented.The Word and Spirit must be spoken to revive and unite the Body.Life must be breathed not only into “the church,” but into all who hunger for God. 3. Lordship of Jesus Christ Access to God is based on relationship, not doctrine or denomination.Denominations often create barriers to oneness; God is bringing forth a united family. 4. The Emergence of the Prophet-Priest People Yesterday emphasized preaching; today emphasizes impartation and priestly ministry. 5. God Creates...

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This episode explores the deep spiritual process of hungering and thirsting after the righteousness of God. The family emphasize that righteousness cannot be earned through human effort or religious works, but comes through submission, faith, and a genuine hunger for His presence. The Lord alone performs the inner transformation, removing the old nature (the 'chaff') and filling believers with His Spirit. Through humility, repentance, and faith, we position ourselves before God to receive His righteousness and live as true sons in His presence. Show Notes True righteousness is not attained by works, but by hungering and thirsting after the Lord, allowing Him to fill and transform us by His Spirit.Jesus Christ alone baptizes us with the Holy Spirit and fire — we cannot make ourselves righteous.The 'fire' of God burns away the old nature (the chaff) to reveal His divine nature within us.Our only responsibility is to submit to God with all our hearts and hunger after Him.Faith is the movement that draws the righteousness of God into our lives — 'You can't steer a parked car.'Repentance is simply turning toward the Lord and humbling ourselves before Him.Many people stop short of sonship, content with partial experiences of God, but the true sons go on to be made perfect before Him.The greatest reality we can experience is the living presence of God within us. Quotes “It's Jesus Christ who's doing the doing — He's the one baptizing us with the Holy Spirit and fire.” — Ken“There's nothing we can do to obtain righteousness other than, like Abraham, believe the Lord.” — Mike“It's your hunger and thirst. Then the Lord will come and rain righteousness on you.” — Ron“We do the submitting — He does the removing.” — Debbie“

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This episode explores how healing, growth, and maturity happen within the Family of God — not in isolation, but through love, correction, and openness to one another. The speakers discuss how Christ works in us and through one another, not “from the sky,” and how true oneness in the Body of Christ requires humility, confrontation, forgiveness, and submission to His lordship expressed through our spiritual relationships. The family becomes the instrument of God's healing when we let His Spirit bring both correction and restoration in love. Show Notes Blind spots are part of growth — we all have areas we can't see; the issue is how we respond when others lovingly point them out.Christ in us — not in the sky. The presence and ministry of Christ flow through the Body of believers.Confrontation is love in action — correction from others is not rejection but an opportunity for transformation.Spiritual oneness brings clarity — agreement in the Spirit brings freedom, flow, and the anointing.Wounds from friends heal — true family love sometimes hurts, but it leads to purity of heart and deeper unity.The shepherd's heart — watching over one another is essential as we move forward together in the Kingdom. Quotes “It's Christ in us, not Christ in the sky. He's put Himself and His presence in us.” — Ron“We can't do it by ourselves. We have to do it with each other.” — Ken“These wounds I received in the house of my friends.” — Lois“Create in me a clean heart and renew a right spirit within me.” — Debbie“We're not going to be deceived because we're one.” — Ken“They're not rejecting you — they're walking with you through it.” — Ron“Let them...

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. SUMMARY This episode explores the transformative journey of walking with God — a lifestyle of dedication, obedience, and continual movement into the “next phase” of His leading. The family reflect on how God leads His people much like He led Israel out of Egypt: through seasons of refreshing, seasons of movement, and seasons of deep personal dedication. They emphasize that the walk with God is not casual; it requires listening, obedience, and a willingness to pay the price of discipleship. The conversation also highlights God's intention to manifest His presence through all His people, forming a remnant who are wholly devoted to Him. Each believer carries a piece of the puzzle, and together they reveal a greater picture of Christ. As the parousia — the presence of the Lord — becomes more real, His glory is being manifested in His saints in a new way. The episode closes with a call to wholeheartedly pursue this lifestyle, to know the voice of God, and to move with Him into the next level of His purpose. SHOW NOTES Main Theme: Walking with God requires dedication, obedience, and an ongoing willingness to move with Him into deeper phases of His purpose. Key Segments: Delivered From Egypt to Walk With God Ken explains that every believer is brought out of their personal “Egypt” to enter a real relationship with God. There are times of refreshing and times of movement — and listening to His voice is essential. God Seeking His Inheritance Mike shares that we are living in a day where the Holy Spirit and the presence of the Lord are becoming more tangible. We are part of God's chosen inheritance. The Old Testament as Our Pattern Ken emphasizes that the Old Testament is an example for us, teaching us how God leads His people and the consequences of obedience or disobedience. Greasy Grace vs. God's...

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary In this discussion, the family explore the importance of guarding the heart and mind through the Word of God, emphasizing faith, focus, and transformation by renewing the mind. Ken and others share that in times of confusion and anxiety, believers must anchor their thoughts in truth and maintain an atmosphere filled with God's presence. They highlight Philippians 4:8 as a blueprint for keeping the mind centered on what is true, honorable, and praiseworthy. The conversation calls for believers to shift from old patterns of thinking into a new day led by the Spirit, trusting that faith and rest in God will bring inner transformation and clarity. Show Notes • Living in a time of confusion and anxiety – holding the Word in the heart. • Applying Philippians 4:8 to guard thoughts with truth and righteousness. • Maintaining the right atmosphere around yourself through prayer and focus. • Transitioning from old ways of thinking into being led by the Holy Spirit. • The importance of teaching truth and renewal of the mind to younger generations. • Learning to rest in God's promises rather than struggling in the flesh. • Faith as the foundation—believing God above circumstances or symptoms. • Wholeness in spirit, soul, and body as part of walking in sonship. Quotes • “Thy word have I hid in my heart that I might not sin against Thee.” – Ken • “Whatever is true, whatever is right, whatever is of good report—dwell on these things.” – Ken • “I love to do that first thing in the morning—ask God, ‘What do You want for today?'” – Dale • “Be transformed by the renewing of your mind.” – Mike • “As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he.” – Ken • “

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary In this heartfelt episode, the Live Behind the Veil family explores how repentance within the Body of Christ becomes a living expression of oneness. Through open sharing, Ken, Ron, Lois, Monnie, Trisha, and Debbie reveal that repentance is not condemnation—it's the doorway to unity, healing, and spiritual transformation. True repentance is simply turning to the Lord and allowing Him to do the work in us and through our relationships. Together, the family shows how standing in the gap for one another releases the flow of God's love and power in this new day of His appearing. Show Notes The enemy seeks to divide, but repentance disarms him and restores oneness (Ken).Job's vicarious repentance for his children shows the heart of intercession (Lois).True repentance is turning to the Lord, not self-effort or guilt (Ron).The family of God is called to bear one another's burdens and believe together (Ken, Monnie).Clarity and freedom come when we open our hearts to one another and rest in the Lord's work (Ken).Admitting our weakness and dependence on God brings joy and creativity in His presence (Trisha).Repentance brings healing and joy—love restoring each member back into their place in the Body (Ken, Debbie). Quotes • “There's something about repentance—if we hold that in our hearts for each other because we're a family and we're one—anything that tries to come in, we can take care of it just by repentance for each other.” — Ken • “Job repented on behalf of his children. He was one with them, believing for the Lord's forgiveness.” — Lois • “Repentance is simply turning to the Lord. When I find myself questioning, I can dwell on those thoughts—or I can just turn to the Lord.” — Ron • “We are helpers of one another's faith. It's interdependence—we need each other.” — Monnie • “Every time...

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This episode centers on the spiritual depth of communion — not as a ritual or remembrance of a distant event, but as a living reality of Christ's presence within His people today. The family share heartfelt expressions of gratitude, reflecting on the coming of the Lord as a present experience within believers. Through prayer, thanksgiving, and reflection, the family emphasizes relationship over religion, reality over ritual, and life over theory. The conversation expresses deep awareness of God's presence, His love (hesed), and the transformation occurring as Christ's life becomes their life. Show Notes Communion is not a ceremony from 2000 years ago — it's a present reality of Christ's life within us.The coming of the Lord is happening in us, not as an external event.God desires authenticity and reality in our relationship with Him.Gratitude for the freedom and sonship made possible through Christ's sacrifice.The family offers personal prayers of thanksgiving for God's love, grace, faithfulness, and presence.Communion is described as partaking of Christ's being, not just His symbols.The focus moves away from ritual and toward fulfillment and manifestation.Bill's reflection encourages living with constant awareness of the breath of life — the presence of God.Mike highlights the Word as divine instruction guiding believers in this present age.The family expresses thanksgiving for being part of the unfolding Kingdom now. Key Quotes “Christ coming forth in us is a reality.” — Ken“We're not looking for another time, another Jesus, another system. You are the answer to every need that we have.” — Ken“We partake of Your whole

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary In this episode, the discussion centers on the deep, transformative work of God as He separates the chaff from the wheat within us — revealing the purity of His nature. Through loving discipline, repentance, and the baptism of fire, God removes the old human nature that obscures His divine life. The family share personal revelations and scriptural insights showing that what seems like suffering or correction is actually the Father's loving process of making us into His sons. As the wheat is flailed to separate the chaff, so are we refined to reflect Christ in fullness. Show Notes • The chaff and wheat both represent parts of us — not the world versus the believer. • God uses fire, pressure, and suffering to remove the old nature. • Christ Himself was perfected through obedience and suffering (Hebrews 5:8–9). • The baptism of fire is a divine process of purification that leads to sonship. • True transformation happens through repentance, humility, and a contrite heart. • Every believer is under God's hand of preparation — even before salvation. • Through ongoing repentance and surrender, the Holy Spirit can flow freely in and through us, just as it did in Christ. Application: • Submit to God's dealings without resistance. • Maintain a daily heart of repentance and humility. • Recognize that suffering is not punishment but divine shaping. • Allow the Holy Spirit to remove all that hides the fullness of Christ in you. Quotes • “The chaff and the wheat are us together — our old nature growing up with our new.” — Debbie • “He has to flail us. He has to beat it out of us. It sounds negative, but it's a loving thing.” — Debbie • “The Lord wants a sweet bread — He wants us to reflect Him.” — Ed • “He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.” — Ken • “Christ suffered, and through that suffering, His obedience was made complete.” — Ron • “Repentance and a broken spirit are the key to becoming pure channels of God's life.” — Mike • “All we can do is open up our hearts. God's got to do the rest.” — Debbie • “Christ learned obedience through the things which He suffered — that's how the chaff is removed.” — Ken Scriptural References • Matthew 3:11 – He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. • Hebrews 5:8–9 – Though He were a Son, yet learned He obedience by the things which He suffered. • Psalm 51:10,17 – Create in me a clean heart, O God... a broken and contrite heart, O God, You will not despise. •

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary In this compelling discussion, the family explore the deep connection between Christianity and its Jewish roots. Ron, Mike, Debbie, and Ken uncover how centuries of church history have drifted from the original faith of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. They emphasize the need for believers to rediscover the Hebraic foundations of their faith, restoring the oneness that existed in the early church. As the Holy Spirit reveals truth for this present age, the group recognizes that God is blending Jew and Gentile together once again, preparing His bride for the culmination of the ages. Show Notes The Root of the Faith: Christianity's foundation is found in the patriarchs—Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The early church lost its connection to Judaism, leading to centuries of misunderstanding.Historical Separation: By the second and third centuries, Christianity had distanced itself from its Jewish heritage, contributing to antisemitism and a perversion of the original message.The Law and Fulfillment: Jesus did not abolish the Law but fulfilled it (Matthew 5:17). The Old Testament provides the framework for understanding the New Testament.Restoration and Revelation: The Holy Spirit is unveiling truth in this age to bring restoration and unity. Believers must return to understanding God through His original covenant people.The First-Century Model: Early believers continued observing feasts—Passover, Pentecost, and Tabernacles—while walking in the revelation of Christ.Blending of Jew and Gentile: The Spirit is merging both groups into one new man (Ephesians 2:14-16). This union represents the bride being made ready for Christ.Culmination of the Ages: God is perfecting His people by restoring what was lost. A new era is dawning, not by invention but by revelation of ancient truth. Quotes “The root is the patriarchs — Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The Christian church left those roots, and that's why we've had 2,000 years of perversion.” — Ron“If you don't have the root, you cannot understand the New Testament. It's the revelation of the Old...

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. SUMMARY: When a believer begins to experience the Lord, they often encounter the Holy Spirit, which may manifest through speaking in tongues. As seen in the book of Acts, tongues of fire appeared over the disciples, and they spoke languages they had never learned. As believers continue to seek deeper experiences in God, the fire becomes a purifying force—one that cleanses and refines them. This baptism of fire is God's process of perfecting His people and bringing them into true sonship. SHOW NOTES: When a believer begins to reach into sonship and wants to grow in his spirit, he begins to hear about the fire. The refining fire that the Holy Spirit brings on a believer who is seeking to move beyond the salvation experience at first may seem to be more on a soulish level than in a person's spirit. A relatively new Christian can begin moving in the gifts or speaking in tongues and become excited about areas he is moving in, but it may really be mostly the expression of the soul. John the Baptist emphasized that Jesus was coming to baptize with the Holy Spirit and with fire, which was superior to the baptism that John had ministered. As the Lord begins to put the cross or the fire to a person's life, he feels very uncomfortable and may even try to back out of the pressure on his circumstances. There comes a point in a person's life where he realizes he has an Adamic nature that God is trying to refine out of him. QUOTATIONS: I think one of the things we're looking at in the restoration, and salvation, and then the baptism of the Holy Spirit, is many people went off on a soulish realm to the degree that they thought the soulish realm was the anointing. And it was not. I don't think the understanding was there on what “the fire” meant. I don't think I ever realized we were born with chaff. I always felt like chaff came as a development as we grew up, and that's not true. A part of the old nature was called chaff, and the chaff had to be burned off. It couldn't remain if we were going to come into the presence of a holy God. You have to realize too that God doesn't technically put the fire on us. We are beaten, and that is how you get rid of the chaff. You're beaten, and then it is thrown in the air, and the wind takes it off. But then when it is done, to make sure the chaff is gone, they pick it up and burn...

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary In this episode, the family share how love is the creative force behind everything God does—His discipline, His calling, and His purpose for our lives. Love is not only the beginning of our relationship with Him but also the power that transforms us into mature sons who walk as Christ walked in the earth. Through real examples, heartfelt discussion, and scriptural insight, they reveal how God's love shapes us, refines us, and flows through us to bring forth His divine nature and unity in the body of Christ. Show Notes • God begins everything in love—His plans, His discipline, and His relationship with us. • Love is the creative power that forms Christ's image within His people. • True humility is believing and walking in what God says about you. • The maturity of sonship comes through love expressed in relationship with one another. • Christ was the firstborn Son of a new race—life-giving spirits who express the Father's nature. • We are called to be living epistles—His Word made flesh in the earth. • Revelation of Christ in us moves us from head knowledge to living experience. • Love, not arrogance, gives expression to God's Word through our lives. Quotes • “Everything God begins, He begins in love.” • “True humility is believing what God says and walking it out.” • “We are not doing things for God—He's doing His works through us.” • “The love of God is the creative force that changes us and creates Christ within.” • “As He is in the earth, so are we.” Scriptural References •

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This episode explores how the presence of God is imparted—not merely through teaching or words—but through the living anointing within each believer. Ron, Ken, Debbie, and Mike share their experiences of how walking in God's Spirit transforms encounters, prayer, and ministry. They emphasize that impartation happens as we become the Word and allow His Spirit to flow through us. The conversation reveals how openness, obedience, and love prepare hearts to receive the living Word and how gathering together deepens the experience of His presence. Show Notes Living Example: Ron explains that when others haven't received the same impartation or teaching, our lives become an example of the living Word in action.Power of the Anointing: It's not teaching or eloquent speech that changes people, but the Spirit of Christ working through us.Prepared Hearts: Ken shares how the Lord prepares hearts to receive before we ever speak; openness is key.Daily Readiness: Debbie emphasizes praying before every gathering, asking God to show her whom to minister to.Spiritual Hunger: Every person has a “hole” in their heart only God can fill—no amount of wealth or success can satisfy that longing.True Riches in Christ: Ken contrasts worldly wealth with the eternal riches of knowing and walking with the Lord.Vessels of Healing: Mike reminds us that believers are channels of healing when they speak with the right spirit.Imparting the Spirit: Ron stresses that impartation flows only when Christ's anointing is real within us.Co-Laboring with God: Mike and Ken highlight that we work with God, speaking as He gives utterance, and allowing His presence to minister through us.The Power of Gathering: The group affirms that coming together in unity increases the manifestation of His Spirit. Quotes “You just be what the Lord's doing now, and it imparts if they're...

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary “Walking Through the Fire Into Sonship” explores the transformative process of spiritual growth through the baptism of fire. The discussion reveals that this fire represents God's refining work, testing believers and burning away everything not aligned with His will. Through trials, correction, and surrender, we move from mere belief into experiential knowledge—true sonship. The speakers emphasize interdependence within the Body of Christ, where brothers and sisters strengthen and refine one another, and where walking with God means complete submission to His Spirit and will. Show Notes • The baptism of fire represents God's refining and testing of true believers. • Sonship comes through endurance, discipline, and surrender to God's will. • Walking with God involves deep correction, not just emotional experience. • True discipleship demands yielding personal ambitions and desires to Christ. • The process of fire burns away self-dependence and produces maturity in the Spirit. • Interdependence within the Body of Christ is vital for growth and perseverance. • Oneness in the family of God is key to fulfilling His divine purpose. Quotes • “You may not define what a baptism of fire is, but you want to walk with God.” – Ron • “Be careful what you ask for; walking with God brings trials and testing.” – Ken • “To be a disciple means to belong—body and soul—to Christ, now and forevermore.” – Debbie • “Our God is a consuming fire; He's going to burn up everything that's not Him.” – Ron • “Submitting to my brothers and sisters is submitting to the Lord—it's one and the same.” – Mike Scriptural References •

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Episode Summary In “A Living Relationship: From Doctrine to Experience,” the family talks about how truth must become real through experience. Knowledge alone can't transform lives; only revelation born of relationship can. They reflect on examples like Charlie Kirk, whose life expressed the reality of God's Word. The conversation contrasts religious activity with Spirit-led action, reminding us that God looks at the heart, not performance. In this day of the Spirit, He is raising up living epistles—men and women who reveal Christ not just through words, but through His life flowing from within them. Show Notes • Moving from head knowledge to experiential relationship with God • The difference between man's word and God's Word—it's life • Religion versus revelation: why the world longs for something real • Living epistles—people who embody the Word • Dead works versus living works: the motivation of the heart • The day of the Spirit: God working through His people • Charlie Kirk's life as an example of revelation made real • Becoming God's temple—His hands, His voice, His expression in the earth Quotes • “We can quote the greatest doctrines in the world, but it doesn't change us—it has to be an experience.” – Ron • “People are looking for something that's real, not phony. When someone speaks from their heart, it reaches their spirit.” – Debbie • “A true living epistle is a person who's had an experience with the Lord—His Word spoken through them becomes an impartation.” – Ron • “If it doesn't come out of a relationship with the Lord, you might as well be picking up sticks and throwing them at people.” – Debbie • “We become His temple—His hands, His feet, His voice in the earth.” – Ken

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This conversation explores how humility, discipline, and the Word of God form the foundation of a believer's spiritual maturity. True humility is not self-deprecation but faith that God can work through our limitations. The speakers discuss David's failure to discipline his sons, using it as a lesson on the importance of structure and responsibility both in families and spiritual life. The group reflects on ambition versus being Spirit-led, noting that self-promotion leads to followers, but humility builds people. Discipline is shown to touch every part of life—from personal habits to time in the Word—and is a sign of love, not legalism. Ultimately, the Word and the Spirit together produce transformation, birthing humility, faith, and love—the true marks of God's Kingdom. Show Notes Main Theme: The relationship between humility, discipline, and being Spirit-led. Key Discussions: Misunderstandings about humility—real humility involves faith, not unbelief.The absence of discipline in David's family as a warning for parents and leaders.The difference between spiritual ambition and being led by God's Spirit.The need for personal and spiritual discipline in everyday life.The power of combining the Word of God with the Spirit for real transformation. Reflection Points: How does humility invite God to work through you?Are your disciplines born of love or of legalism?Do your ambitions build your name or God's people? Quotes Humility isn't weakness; it's confidence that God can work through even the most ordinary vessel.Ambition builds followers. Humility builds people.

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary “The Bride Coming Forth” explores the spiritual journey of the Bride of Christ emerging from traditional religious systems into true freedom in God. The family emphasize that while the church birthed the bride, the purity and fullness of the bride emerge only as individuals are freed from religious rituals, legalism, and striving. Through the anointing of the Holy Spirit, believers experience life, rest, and a flow of God's presence that transforms them from within. This highlights the importance of a personal relationship with God over religious performance, the hunger for deeper intimacy, and the spiritual preparation for the return of Christ, the Bridegroom. Show Notes • The bride emerges from religious systems to experience true freedom in Christ. • Religious rituals and legalism cannot impart life—only the anointing of the Holy Spirit can. • The Bride of Christ is prepared through a process of dying to self and surrendering to God. • God draws His called-out ones through hunger and desire for righteousness. • True ministry flows naturally when believers relate to others out of love and authenticity. • The presence of Christ in a person draws others into life and transformation. • Focus on relationship with the Holy Spirit rather than adherence to doctrines or traditions. Key Quotes • “The letter itself is dead without the anointing. And the anointing is what we're looking for in the bride.” – Ken • “Christ is a Bridegroom. When He returns, He's going to take His bride. He's going to have a marriage—the marriage supper of the Lamb.” – Debbie • “I'm not fighting to make myself pure. I'm not fighting to be better or become something on my own. This is something God is doing. I'm rejoicing at it.” – Ken • “My sheep know My voice. That's how they leave Babylon.” – Mike • “You're just being who God has made you. And when you relate to people...

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary: This episode explores the transformative power of true confession in relationships and before God. The hosts emphasize that merely confessing to God without relational accountability often leaves sin unresolved, while confessing to a trusted spouse or mentor cultivates humility, freedom, and healing. By creating a safe, non-judgmental environment, individuals can openly share their struggles, confront personal failures, and experience genuine spiritual growth. Through examples like Isaiah's humility and David's repentance, the discussion highlights that confession exposes the heart yet invites God's love and restoration, ultimately preparing believers to stand confidently in His presence. Show Notes: Confession is more impactful when shared with a trusted person rather than only internally or to God in abstraction.Safe accountability fosters honesty, freedom, and spiritual growth.True humility involves acknowledging sin without rationalizing or hiding it.Examples: Isaiah's immediate awareness of his sinfulness (Isaiah 6), David's repentance after Nathan's confrontation (2 Samuel 12).Confession is preparation for encountering God and deepening relational intimacy.Key principle: “Confess your sins to one another, that you may be healed.” Important Quotes: Ron:“You can confess to the Lord in the sky all day long, and nothing happens—'cause you're really not confessing to anybody.”Ed:“You should have somebody that actually can say ‘no' to you—somebody that you can talk with and confess to without condemnation.”Debbie:

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. INTRODUCTION: The Father's plan is for He Himself to come and take up His abode in us. This is not a one-time experience, but it's the development of an ongoing relationship, as the Holy Spirit comes to us and leads us. It's important to develop a relationship with the Holy Spirit by opening our hearts to Him and receiving what He is saying. This voice may come from the “God in the sky” but in this day, it is more likely to come from people who know Him and love Him. SHOW NOTES: Christ is teaching us to function together as we come into oneness as the body of Christ. Before we come into a maturity in the Lord, we try things on our own to observe what's available in the world and eventually realize it is pretty dead. When a new person begins to search to find life and God's love, he will most likely find help from someone in Christ's body. Many people say they're being led by the Holy Spirit, but they may only be led by their minds, their imaginations, their own independence. As believers function together, they are being built up into the head—Christ. Remaining open and teachable is really important so we don't miss things that the Lord is trying to impart to us. Even if you don't get a witness the first time you hear a word, stay open for possible confirmation. QUOTATIONS: The Lord in the flesh is knocking on our door; each one of us is Christ in the flesh. At times you don't know where you're at, and it helps to have someone walk you into it. As we love one another, the Christ in us begins to create these deep relationships of trust and love in one another. As we go into this deep oneness of the body of Christ, as we enter into it more and more, I believe we're going to be so open to the Christ in one another, that we will have our wills crossed, and we will be taken to places that we would not. Someone comes up with something that you can't handle, put it on the shelf for a little bit and let the Lord deal with you on it. I personally do not want to close off or reject something that I either don't understand or that doesn't resonate with me at that moment.

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary: In this episode of *Live Behind the Veil*, the family reflect on the legacy of Charlie Kirk, emphasizing how his life, ministry, and untimely passing are being used by God to spark revival, especially among young people. His work, words, and influence are seen as a seed that continues to bear fruit in the lives of those he touched. The discussion points to a season of transformation, unity, and expectation for the Body of Christ as God brings His people from glory to glory. The family also emphasize the importance of forgiveness, oneness in the Body, and the raising up of a mighty army of believers as foretold in Scripture. They call listeners to see Charlie's passing not as a defeat but as part of God's greater plan to ignite hearts, empower the next generation, and usher in His Kingdom. Show Notes: The life, ministry, and legacy of Charlie Kirk as a catalyst for transformation and unity among believers.Expectation of transformation as we move from glory to glory.Charlie's legacy continues through those who carry his impartation.The importance of forgiveness, even toward those who cause pain.Unity and oneness as essential to revealing Christ to the world.A prophetic call for revival among young people, fulfilling Joel's vision of a mighty army. Quotes: “We should be expecting to come into His glory because that's where we're going to be changed into the same image.” – Ken “What the enemy meant for evil, God is turning and using for good.” – Debbie “Charlie is not gone in what he did in the Lord. Just like Satan thought he won when Christ was crucified, he did not win.” – Monnie “This is a great opportunity. Right now, we are releasing the spirit of forgiveness into the Body of Christ—even forgiveness toward the young man responsible.” – Trisha “We need to be one. Why...

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This episode emphasizes how believers can become channels for God's Word, walking boldly in faith and manifesting His presence in the world. It highlights the importance of separating God's Word from human imperfection, stepping beyond fear, and engaging in effective prayer that leads to miracles. The discussion also focuses on the unity of the Body of Christ and the rising remnant that will retain God's presence to influence future generations. Show Notes Embracing God's Word within us and speaking from the heart. How to separate the Word from human imperfection. Overcoming fear to walk in faith and spiritual boldness. Powerful examples of prayer and miracles happening today. The Body of Christ being freed and empowered to manifest God's presence. Raising a remnant to retain God's work and influence future generations. Quotes “All they have to do is open up to what God's speaking to them in their hearts and what they're to become and what they're to move in.” “If you're gonna reject the living word because of the vessels of what they've done, you might as well go home and burn your Bible.” “The fear is the thing that limits the sons of God… we felt no condemnation because we've been trained by the Lord.” “We're touching on something that is effective. Prayer. Very effective, effective prayer.” “It's the body of Christ being set free… God's freeing up his people to be what he's called them to be.” “If the remnant that God is raising up is functioning as he raised it up to function, then there's gonna be those in the world that will be drawn to it.” Scriptural References: 2 Peter 1:4 “…through them you may participate in the divine nature… John 14:26 “…the Holy Spirit…will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.”

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This conversation explores the shift from a primarily “soulish” Christian experience — driven by feelings, fear, and physical evidence — into a mature, Spirit-led life. The speakers celebrate a growing readiness to hear, see, and move in the Spirit, urge believers to pursue wholeness (body, soul, and spirit), and call for spiritual preparation and warfare through the Word (symbolized by “selling the cloak and buying the sword”). The overall tone is hopeful and expectant: deliverance and fuller spiritual living are already purchased and available; now is the time to receive and stand in what Christ accomplished. Show Notes Introduction: framing the “Day of Spirit” and the transition from a soulish age to a Spirit age. Readiness to receive: Jesus' promise of “many more things” and the sense that the body of Christ is becoming ready to receive deeper revelation. (John 16:12) Practical wholeness: the need for body and soul to support the spirit—seeking physical, mental, and emotional health as part of spiritual growth. Spiritual conflict and preparation: “Sell your cloak and buy a sword” as a call to exchange old defenses for the Word of God and spiritual maturity. (Luke 22:36; Hebrews 4:12) Deliverance and preservation: contending for preservation of body, soul, and spirit and living in the freedom purchased by Christ's blood. (1 Thess. 5:23; 1 Peter 1:18–19) Anecdote/metaphor: “Two little fishes” parable illustrating how those anchored in the Spirit perceive the world differently. Final exhortation: stand, move forward, expect deliverance now — the finished work is enough and available. Quotes “This is a Day of Spirit… God is doing things by His Spirit, and I believe that is what we're going to experience as we walk into this new day.” “We're walking on in the Spirit to do and become more and more capable of ministering in the spirit and receiving things from God in the spirit.” “Sell your cloak and buy a sword… the sword: the Word of the living God, the sharp two-edged sword.” “

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary: This Podcast captures a powerful conversation about spiritual awakening, oneness, and resurrection life. The speakers discuss walking in the spirit, trusting in Jesus Christ, and aligning the mind with divine truth. They emphasize the importance of unity among believers, spiritual growth, and the role of faith in navigating life's challenges. The discussion also highlights the spiritual significance of servitude, exemplified by washing one another's feet, and the call to ascend into the presence of God. Show Notes:  The beginning of a new day and a new spiritual season. Trusting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Overcoming fear, doubt, and division. Walking in the Spirit and using the mind for spiritual growth. Experiencing Resurrection Life and spiritual ascension. The importance of oneness among believers. Practicing spiritual servitude and unconditional love. Important Quotes:  “Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior, and He is the one creating us and bringing us forth.” – Ken “The renovation, the fixing of our minds, the utilization of our minds is our responsibility.” – Bill “If we reach up to the higher levels and come into the presence of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in that oneness, he can't touch us.” – Mike “We don't look out for ourselves; we let somebody else look out for us, and we look out for them.” – Ken Scriptural References: John 11:25 Jesus said, “I am the resurrection and...

*Listen to the Show notes and podcast transcript with this multi-language player. Summary This conversation explores spiritual responses to betrayal and spiritual attack, using the Feast of Passover and the biblical example of Daniel as focal points. Speakers describe how an 'excellent spirit'—a posture of right-hearted worship and trust in God—acts as protection during times of betrayal, allowing believers to maintain faith, honor authorities despite hostility, and experience cleansing and renewal through the feasts of Passover and Unleavened Bread. Show Notes Context: A strong spiritual assault occurred before a recent service, leading some to feel betrayed. Passover described as 'the feast of betrayal'—connections made to Judas and Pharaoh. Daniel as the model: 'excellent spirit' (Daniel 6:3) provided protection amid powerful opposition. Practical emphasis: focus on your own spirit before the Lord rather than assigning blame. Passover/Unleavened Bread: times for cleansing, repentance, and becoming a 'new creation.' Worship in the presence of the enemy—asking for grace to continue worshiping and serving God. Action items: identify one or two attitudes/behaviors to remove during Passover season for deeper renewal. Quotes “If your spirit is right before God, really excellent, it is the greatest defense you have.” “The Feast of Passover is the feast of betrayal.” “Have that right spirit before the Lord, because I think that's everything.” “We will not only worship in the presence of our enemy, but you will spread a table before us in the presence of our enemy and make our cup to run over.” “The Feast of unleavened bread was created for cleansing, and we have a purpose.” Scriptural References