Tailgate Talks

In this follow-up conversation, Donald Forgione reconnects with Minnesota's State Park Managers, Katie Foshay (Tettegouche & George H. Crosby Manitou State Parks) and Nate Springer (Gooseberry Falls State Park), to continue the insightful dialogue on the challenges, lessons, and successes of stepping into senior park leadership. Building on their previous episode, Katie and Nate share what's changed since we last spoke—what they've learned, grown, and handled new complexities as site managers. Listen to honest reflections and practical advice for up-and-coming park professionals. We also dive into mentorship, work-life balance, and what it means to be responsible for an entire park operation. Whether you're a seasoned park leader or just entering the profession, this episode is packed with relatable stories, real-world wisdom, and encouragement for all levels of leadership.

In this episode of Tailgate Talks, host Donald Forgione welcomes back Phil Gaines, retired Director of South Carolina State Parks, for a timely and insightful conversation on the delicate art of community engagement. Together, they explore the techniques and strategies needed to facilitate stakeholder meetings—especially when working with groups who have deep emotional and historical ties to a project. Topics covered include: Effective planning and preparation for community meetings The importance of room layout and setting the tone before anyone speaks The art of listening—truly hearing concerns, not just responding Skillful questioning to uncover root issues and opportunities Building authentic trust, even amid disagreement Ensuring all voices feel heard, valued, and respected Phil and Donald also share real-world stories, hard-earned lessons, and tips for preventing meetings from becoming unproductive or contentious. Whether you're a park professional, community leader, or project facilitator, this episode is packed with practical advice for turning community challenges into collaborative success stories. Key Takeaways: Successful stakeholder engagement starts long before the meeting begins. How a room is set up can send a powerful message. Listening is a skill—and a strategy. Trust is built through consistency, authenticity, and small gestures that show respect. Conflict is not the enemy—poor facilitation is. Connect with Us: Visit donaldforgione.com to learn more about Tailgate Talks and upcoming episodes.

In this episode of Tailgate Talks, Donald Forgione welcomes two rising leaders in Minnesota's state park system—Nate Springer, Park Supervisor at Gooseberry Falls State Park, and Katie Foshay, Park Manager of Tettegouche and George H. Crosby Manitou State Parks. Nate and Katie sit down for a candid conversation about what it's really like to step into park management. From staffing and operations to public expectations and personal growth, they share the surprises, challenges, and lessons they've already learned on the job. This episode is packed with practical tips for new and aspiring park managers—and a few laughs too—as the guests take over the mic and ask Donald their own questions in a special Tailgate Takeover format. Whether you're managing your first park or mentoring the next generation, this episode offers insight, encouragement, and a behind-the-scenes look at what leadership in parks really means.

In this captivating episode, host Donald Forgione is joined by Phil Gaines, the retired Director of South Carolina State Parks and a current Professor of Practice at Clemson University's Department of Parks, Recreation, and Tourism Management. Together, they embark on an insightful journey through three of Florida's remarkable state parks: Devil's Millhopper Geological State Park, Dudley Farm Historic State Park, and Paynes Prairie Preserve State Park. Donald and Phil delve into the unique features and management practices of each park, sharing fascinating stories and historical insights: Devil's Millhopper Geological State Park: Phil and Donald discover the wonders of this National Natural Landmark, featuring a 120-foot-deep, 500-foot-wide sinkhole that harbors a miniature rainforest ecosystem. They learned about the park's geology, the diverse flora and fauna within the sinkhole, and the efforts to preserve this geological marvel. Dudley Farm Historic State Park: Phil and Donald stepped back in time to experience Florida's farming heritage from the 1850s to the mid-20th century. They explored the authentic working farm, complete with original buildings and period-dressed staff performing daily chores, and gained an understanding of the significance of preserving this slice of history. Paynes Prairie Preserve State Park: Phil and Donald uncovered the rich biodiversity of Florida's first state preserve, home to wild bison, horses, alligators, and over 270 species of birds. They discuss the park's historical significance, its role in conservation, and the challenges of managing such a diverse habitat. Throughout the episode, Donald and Phil reflect on their experiences in park management, the importance of conservation, and the stories that make these parks treasures of Florida's natural and cultural landscape. Bios: Phil Gaines: With a 38-year career at the South Carolina Department of Parks, Recreation, and Tourism, Phil served as Director for 13 years. Following his retirement, he continues to contribute to the field as a Professor of Practice at Clemson University, where he focuses on developing future leaders in parks and recreation management. ​ Donald Forgione: Director of Florida State Parks (ret), Author, Keynote Speaker. Donald brings decades of experience in park management and conservation. As host of this podcast, he shares his passion for the outdoors, storytelling, and preserving the natural and cultural resources of our parks.

Director to Director: Stakeholder Engagement Join host Donald Forgione on the Tailgate as he welcomes Craig Seaver, retired Park Ranger and former Director of Virginia State Parks, for an insightful conversation on the power of community engagement. With decades of experience in stakeholder relations, Craig shares proven strategies for building strong, lasting partnerships with communities, advocacy groups, and elected officials. In this episode, Craig and Donald discuss: ✅ The importance of stakeholder engagement in park and recreation management ✅ How to foster relationships with key partners and decision-makers ✅ Effective strategies for public relations and advocacy ✅ Lessons learned from years in leadership—from field ranger to director ✅ Real-world examples of successful community collaborations Whether you're a park professional, public servant, or leader in outdoor recreation, this episode is packed with practical advice on navigating partnerships, earning trust, and leveraging relationships to support parks and public lands.

On this episode of Tailgate Talks, we dive deep into avalanche rescue and survival training. Rich Gummersall from Idaho State Parks, joins Donald Forgione on the Tailgate to discuss this important topic. Whether you're a first responder, outdoor guide, or backcountry adventurer, understanding avalanche safety can mean the difference between life and death. Our guest, Rish Gummersall, shares expert insights on how to prepare for, respond to, and survive an avalanche emergency. If you work or recreate in avalanche-prone areas, this episode is packed with actionable advice that could save lives. Tune in to learn how to prepare for the unexpected and respond effectively in high-risk situations. Richard.Gummersall@idpr.idaho.gov https://avalanche.org donald@tailgate-talks.com

In this episode of Tailgate Talks with Donald Forgione, we dive into the art of the job interview from the applicant's perspective. Whether you're applying for a park ranger position, a leadership role, or any other job in the field, this episode is packed with expert insights to help you shine. Special guest Tim Dyck is a seasoned HR expert and shares invaluable tips on preparing for an interview, answering tough questions, and standing out as the ideal candidate. Tim is the founder of Best Culture Solutions and can help elevate you and your team. Check out Tim's podcast, World at Work, for more insight.   tim@bestculturesolutions.ca donald@tailgate-talks.com 

Hiring the right people is one of the most important decisions any organization makes. In the latest episode of Tailgate Talks, I sat down with Tim Dyck from Best Culture Solutions, an expert in hiring and employee selection, to dive deep into the hiring process. We explored the key strategies that hiring managers need to know to attract and select top talent, from crafting effective job postings to conducting interviews that reveal true potential. Tim shared insights on what separates great hires from mediocre ones and how organizations can create a hiring process that builds a strong, engaged team. One of the biggest takeaways? The importance of hiring for culture fit—skills can be taught, but the right attitude and values are what truly make a difference. Whether you're a park professional, a recreation leader, or anyone involved in hiring, this episode is packed with actionable tips to help you make better hiring decisions. tim@bestculturesolutions.ca  donald@tailgate-talks.com  

Learn about the great things the Ranger Association of California (PRAC) is providing to park professionals. Matt Cerkel, President of PRAC, is the Senior Park Ranger at Marin Municipal Water District and sits on the Tailgate with Donald Forgione to discuss this critical work. Matt@calranger.org Donald@tailgate-talks.com

David Landis Joins Donald Forgione on the Tailgate to discuss the power of planning for leaders. Good planning provides confidence in yourself, your team, and your leadership team. David's 30 years of experience as a Firefighter and paramedic have galvanized for him the importance of proper planning. With his business, "Playing with Possible, LLC," he helps leaders with self-mastery and helps build stronger leaders and stronger communities. Davidlandis.me donald@tailgate-talks.com  

Welcome to this special episode of Tailgate Talks! As we close out another incredible year, I wanted to take some time to reflect, celebrate, and look ahead. This year has been a whirlwind of growth and connections. I'm genuinely amazed at the success of Tailgate Talks. Hosting this podcast has introduced me to many incredible people, and I'm honored to share their stories with you. 2024 brought us so many memorable episodes. While the podcast is a huge part of what I do, it's just one of the many ways I serve the parks and recreation community. Consulting, training, keynotes, and coaching make up most of my work, and I'm passionate about helping professionals and organizations reach their full potential. Thank you for being a part of this journey. Your support, your ideas, and your passion are what make this podcast possible. Here's to another year of inspiring, educating, and celebrating conservation and recreation together! donald@tailgate-talks.com 

Greg Snider joins Donald Forgione on the Tailgate to discuss the Southwest Parks and Recreation Training Institute (SWPRTI). Greg is a long time retired employee of Oklahoma State Parks and a member of the SWPRTI. Their 69th Conference will be heled the first week of February at Sequoyah State Park in Oklahoma. gregsnider62@gmail.com donald@tailgate-talks.com  Sequoyah Lodge 918-772-2545

Ky Harkey joins Donald Forgione on the Tailgate to discuss their mutual love of Interpretation. Ky is the Founder/Principal of the Visitor Experience. Ky is a master storyteller and serves parks nationwide with all levels of Interpretation. Join Donald and Ky on the Tailgate to discuss the importance of Interpretation.   Ky@thevisitorexperience.org donald@tailgate-talks.com

Jody Mayberry, the Host of the popular podcast The Park Leaders Show, returns to join Donald Forgione on the Tailgate to discuss getting and being a mentor. Donald shares how Jody is a mentor who taught him the ropes of being a podcaster. Join them as they discuss the power of getting and being a mentor. jody@jodymaberry.com donald@tailgate-talks.com

Tim Dyck joins Donald Forgione on the Tailgate to discuss Culture In The Workplace. Tim is an expert on workplace culture and owns Best Culture Solutions and The World of Work podcast. tim@bestculturesolutions.ca donald@tailgate-talks.com

David Landis joins Donald Forgione again on the Tailgate to discuss the importance of Caring For The Caretakers. Maintaining your team's Mental Health during a Crisis Response is imperative for the responder. Compassion Fatigue is real and can be mitigated if properly trained. This episode hopes to discuss the importance of this reality on the Tailgate. David is a retired Firefighter and Paramedic from Indianapolis, Indiana. His company, Playing with Possibilities, provides strategic growth advisory services and coaches for personal transformation. david@davidlandis.me donald@tailgate-thals.com

Rosie Forgione, Stacie Linley, and Tom Linley joined me on the Tailgate to discuss our final thoughts on our trip to Alaska. We spent four months, 12,000 miles, 2 RV's, and shared a lifetime of memories together. Join us on the Tailgate for North To Alaska IV. donald@tailgate-talks.com

Matt Cerkel joins Donald Forgione on the tailgate to discuss Rangering Past And Present. Matt is a Park Ranger and the President of the Park Rangers Association of California. Join them on the tailgate to learn how the Park Ranger Association of California is helping the profession. www.calranger.org https://www.calranger.org/certifications.html https://www.marinwater.org/visiting-mt-tam donald@tailgate-talks.com

Ricky Gease, Director of Alaska State Parks, joins Donald Forgione on the Tailgate to discuss Alaska State Parks.  Ricky hosted Donald several times during his summer in Alaska and dives into what makes Alaska different and what is consistent with all recreation and park professionals. Ricky.gease@alaska.gov donald@tailgate-talks.com

Warren Poplin Joins Donald Forgione on the Tailgate to discuss Volunteer Management. Warren is the retired District Manager with the Florida Park Service with years of practical experience managing an extensive volunteer program.

Mike Simmons joins Donald Forgione on the Tailgate to discuss Problem-Solving, Decision Making, Communications, and Achieving Results. It's a great conversation that leaders need to hear. Mike helps business leaders and founders FIND Clarity, STOP Second-Guessing the Work They Do, and take the Next Logical Step by making fearless decisions. He is a seasoned coach and leader with over 22+ years of experience in high-growth tech companies. He helps business leaders find clarity, stop second-guessing, and fearlessly take the next logical step. From UPS to Intel and MIT, he's worked with industry giants and early-stage startups alike. Get ready for insights on strategy, tactics, and leadership development. Let's dive in!

Rosie Forgione, Stacie Linley, and Tom Linley join Donald Forgione on the Tailgate for the third installment of North To Alaska. If you have not listened to the first two episodes, you might want to check them out before listening to this episode. Enjoy.  donald@tailgate-talks.com

Roger Phelps, with STIHL Inc., Joins Donald Forgione on the Tailgate to discuss their relationship with the recreation and conservation communities. Roger Phelps joined STIHL Inc. in 2001 as the Corporate Communications Manager. In that position, he is responsible for creating and telling the STIHL story through integrated event marketing, strategic partnerships, sponsorships, and digital and social media to increase the visibility of and affinity for the STIHL brand and over 10,000 STIHL dealers. He attended the U.S. Naval Academy and served ten years in the U.S. Navy, attaining the rank of Lieutenant Commander. He has served on the National Association of Landscape Professionals Foundation Board of Directors, the National Association of State Park Directors Leadership School Board of Regents, and the Professional Grounds Management Society Board of Directors. roger.phelps@stihl.us donald@tailgate-talks.com

Rodney Franklin, Director of Texas State Parks, joins Donald Forgione on the Tailgate to discuss what is next for Texas State Parks.  Coming off a successful Centennial celebration, winning the gold medal, and the passage of Proposition 14, establishing a $1 billion trust fund to acquire and develop new state parks across Texas.  The transformative impact alone of the Centennial Parks Conservation Fund on the future of Texas State Parks and the landscape of Texas.  How do you plan to implement the funds, and what goes into selecting appropriate land for a state park? How is this opportunity driving strategic decisions, enhancing natural resources, expanding public access and recreation, and shaping the next century of Texas public lands?   Rodney.Franklin@tpwd.texas.gov donald@tailgate-talks.com

Derek Christoffel joins Donald Forgione on the Tailgate for an exciting ride-along discussion. Derek is a Park Ranger with the Plymouth County Conservation Board. Plymouth County Conservation manages over 2,700 acres of oak timber and river bottom forest, native and reconstructed prairies, wetlands, ponds, and lakes. With numerous miles of unpaved trails, multiple campgrounds, a snow tubing hill with a lift, a disc golf course, boat ramps, picnic shelters, and playgrounds, there is something for everyone to enjoy at Plymouth County's 17 wildlife areas, recreation areas, and parks. Year-round environmental education and recreation programs allow everyone to learn new skills and learn about their natural environment. dchristoffel@plymouthcountyiowa.gov donald@tailgate-talks.com

Pat Wright joins Donald Forgione on the Tailgate to discuss park management. Pat is the Park Manager of Montgomery Bell State Park located SW of Nashville, TN. Pat is a 40-year veteran of Tennessee State Parks.  Pat.Wright@tn.gov donald@tailgate-talks.com

Jessica Dolin joins Donald Forgione on the Tailgate to discuss the benefits of gift shops within our operations. Jessica is the Retail Merchandizer for West Virginia State Parks. Jessica.L.Dolin@wv.gov Donald@tailgate-talks.com

Rosie Forgione, Stacie Linley, and Tom Linley join Donald Forgione on the Tailgate for an update on their journey to Alaska. donald@tailgate-talks.com

Brent Leisure returns to join Donald Forgione on the Tailgate for a discussion from Director to Director.  Brent is the retired Director of Texas State Parks, and Donald is the retired Director of Florida Stae Park. Both gentlemen rose through the ranks in their respective large park systems. Brentleisure1@gmail.com Donald@tailgate-talks.com

Ludie Bond and Ash Ehlers join Donald Forgione on the Tailgate to discuss the benefits of family members working in the same department. Ludie is a Wildland Mitigation Specialist and a Public Information Specialist for the Florida Forest Service. Her Daughter Ash Ehlers is a Forest Ranger with the Florida Forest Service. Many trades have been passed down throughout history from mother and father to daughter and son. This trend especially happens in the first responder fields, including Rangers, Land Managers, and other conservation industries. Join this fun and enlightening conversation on the Tailgate. Ludie.Bond@fdacs.gov Paige.Ehlers@fdacs.gov donald@tailgate-talks.com

Kyle Bernis joins Donald Forgione on the Tailgate to discuss Safety In Action. Safety is an essential aspect of our day-to-day operations. donald@tailgate-talks.com

Tom Linley joins Donald Forgione on the Tailgate to discuss their trip to Alaska. Tom is a returning guest, seasoned park professional, and full-time RVer. They discuss the adventure and the challenges of embarking on this long trip. North to Alaska is a song by Johnny Horton that was popular in the 50's. tom@tomstarservices.com donald@tailgate-talks.com  

Lauren Emmert and Cole Ross join Donald Forgione on the Tailgate to discuss generational differences and Similarities. Lauren is a Park Ranger at Winchester Lake State Park, and Cole is a Park Ranger at Round Lake State Park. Both of these park professionals work for Idaho State Parks.  Lauren.Emmert@idpr.idaho.gov Cole.Ross@idpr.idaho.gov donald@tailgate-talks.com

Richard Edwards joins Donald Forgione on the Tailgate to discuss the personal, professional, and common sense side of the American Disability Act, Unerversital Assccesability, and just doing the right thing. Ric is the ADA Director for the Indiana Department of Natural Resources and is a wheelchair user. Ric's insight into this critical subject is invaluable. rededwards@dnr.IN.gov donald@tailgate-talks.com

David Landis returns to joins Donald Forgione with a Tailgate Takeover to discuss Leadership. David is a retired Fighter and Paramedic from Indianapolis, Indiana. His company, Playing with Possibilities, provides strategic growth advisory services and coaches for personal transformation. Find him on LinkedIn or at  David@davidladis.me donald@tailgate-talks.com

Angelina Stancampiano joins Donald Forgione on the Tailgate to discuss Tribal Relations. Angelina is the Shoshone District Interpretive Ranger for Wyoming State Parks and a Tribal Member. Angelina and Donald share experiences and suggestions to start, and grow relationships with tribal entities.  Angelina.Stancampiano@wyo.gov Donald@tailgate-talks.com 

David Landis joins Donald Forgione on the Tailgate to discuss Self Mastering Skills To Live By. David is a retired Fighter and Paramedic from Indianapolis, Indiana. His company, Playing with Possibilities, provides strategic growth advisory services and coaches for personal transformation. Find him on LinkedIn or at  davidladis.me   david@davidlandis.me  donald@tailgate-talks.com 

Join Donald Forgione on the Tailgate as we delve into the crucial work of Park Ranger Associations. These associations serve as pillars of support for park professionals nationwide, offering various forms of assistance and fostering a sense of community among those dedicated to preserving our natural treasures. donald@tailgate-talks.com 

Warren Poplin returns to join Donald Forgione on the Tailgate to discuss the Principles of Authentic Leadership. Warren is a retired District Manager for Florida State Parks and a life long conservation and recreation professional. He is a former Coast Guardsman who lead his team to success during many stressful situations. An Authentic Leader who shares his experiences and passion of leadership on the Tailgate. 

Warriors To Rangers; Service To Service   Are you finding it challenging to fill your vacant positions? Join Eric Hougland and Donald Forgione on the tailgate as they discuss the Skill Bridge program. This program is provided to service men and women to help transition them from military life to civilian life. Eric is the Professional Development Coordinator for Virginia State Parks and shares his insight with this program.   skillbridge.osd.mil eric.hougland@dcr.virginia.gov donald@tailgate-talks.com

The Staircase To Stewardship Concept is a great way to think about visitor engagement. Ky Harkey joins Donald Forgione on the Tailgate to discuss this engaging concept.   Ky Harkey founded The Visitor Experience to spread joy and protect public lands through wildly successful visitor experiences. Ky honed his approach to Visitor Experience Design during a 10-year career serving Texas State Parks. As Interpretation Director, he led 35 program staff and 65 field Interpreters to develop projects and products which engage new audiences and improve 10 million annual visits. Ky facilitated the National Collaboration of State Park Interpretation Directors from 2017-2022. He's also spent time as a NOLS Backpacking Instructor, Wilderness EMT, and active leader in the Children in Nature Network. When he's not helping parks, he's playing in them. Ky has visited all 88 Texas State Parks, 26 National Parks, and he founded the longest backpacking route in Texas.  ky@thevisitorexperience.org   donald@tailgate-talks.com 

Join Dani Schneider on the Tailgate with Donald Forgione to discuss Leadership and the State park leadership School. Dani is a Regional Operation Manager for Vermont State Parks and this years Class Representative for the State Park Leadership School. 

Join Donald Forgione as he sits on the Tailgate again with South Carolina State Park's Book Club. Members of the Book Club include James Revis, Regional Chief; Alexandra Mariona, Assistant Park Manager; Michelle Cunningham, Park Manager; Nate Johnson, Park Manager; Kathryn Gompers, Park Manager.   The Book Club is reviewing The Ecotourism Provider's Handbook, 180 Techniques For An Exceptional Park, Preserve, or Nature Based Attraction, written by Donald Forgione and Vincent Magnini, PH. D.  The book is available on Amazon and at www.tailgate-talks.com  jrevis@scpt.com  donald@tailgate-talks.com 

Join Donald Forgione on the Tailgate as he learns about South Carolina State Park's Book Club. Members of the Book Club include James Revis, Regional Chief; Alexandra Mariona, Assistant Park Manager; Michelle Cunningham, Park Manager; Nate Johnson, Park Manager; Kathryn Gompers Park Manager.  The Book Club is reviewing the book "The Ecotourism Provider's Handbook, 180 Techniques For An Exceptional Park, Preserve, or Nature Based Attraction co-written by Donald Forgione and Vincent Magnini, PH. D. The book is available on Amazon and at www.tailgate-talks.com    jrevis@scprt.com  donald@tailgate-talks.com 

Donald Forgione's old truck is at the Kentucky State Park Managers Conference at Jenny Wiles State Resort Park. Kentucky State Parks is celebrating their 100 year anniversary.  Donald Forgione will be the Keynote Speaker at the conference.  Leadership is so important in any organization and Donald will share his thoughts on the importance of Trust, Communications, and Resilience.  donald@tailgate-talks.com    

Jerry Dugan joins Donald Forgione on the Tailgate to discuss overcoming challenges and finding fulfillment beyond the rut. Let's face it: Sometimes, We find ourselves in a rut and need practical solutions to climb out. Jerry is the Author of the book Beyond The Rut and the host of the popular podcast of the same name. Join Jerry and Donald on the Tailgate for some common sense approach to getting out of the rut.  jerrydugan@btrimpact.com  donald@tailgate-talks.com

Linda Lanterman joins Donald Forgione on the Tailgate to discuss a new Kansas State Park. Acquiring property for a new or existing state park is not an easy task. Even if the property is donated, the process can be daunting. Linda is the Director of Kansas State Parks and shares her journey and excitement of a new State Park. 

Lauren V. Davis joins Donald Forgione on the Tailgate to discuss the importance of branding to your operation. Lauren is the owner of Lauren V. Davis Creative and works with entrepreneurs and organizations with branding expertise.  She is a popular speaker and the host of the Real Personal Branding Podcast.  Lauren can help your park, friends group, concession, or other allied organizations. contact her at info@laurendaviscreative.com   donald@tailgate-talks.com 

Tommy Turk Joins Donald Forgione on the tailgate to discus the great benefits of hiring seasoned workers. Todays hiring challenges call for a renewed focus on older workers with a lifetime of experiences. Come sit on the Tailgate with Tommy and Donald. 

Brent Leisure returns to the Tailgate to discuss the State Park Leadership School and the importance of leadership training. Brent is the retired Director for Texas Tate Parks and a Regent at the School. brentleisure1@gmail.com  donald@tailgate-talks.com  

Donald Forgione sits on the Tailgate and tells impactful stories that inspires us to pay attention to the little things that can make big impacts for your staff and community.  Happy Holidays Donald@tailgate-talks.com