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A Justiça vem sendo atacada por movimentos populistas de extrema direita em vários países, Brasil, Estados Unidos e Israel, para citar alguns. A França não escapa dessa retórica construída para desqualificar as decisões de juízes e procuradores, tomadas à luz da lei, mas deturpadas como se fossem "condenações políticas". Juízes franceses, geralmente reservados por dever profissional, têm apontado campanhas de desinformação a respeito deles nas redes sociais, com a publicação dos endereços onde moram, às vezes acompanhados de chamados à violência física e à vingança por decisões que desagradaram uma minoria de pessoas. Atualmente, há 20 juízes sob proteção policial na França, depois de receberem ameaças de morte. Alguns casos são relacionados com sentenças aplicadas contra o crime organizado e o tráfico de drogas, mas uma parte deles é difamada pela atuação em processos que envolvem políticos.Essa pressão sobre o Judiciário, que desafia garantias constitucionais de independência dos poderes, se intensificou e, hoje, é considerada uma ameaça à democracia e ao Estado de Direito.Veredicto para Marine Le PenAtualmente, a líder de extrema direita francesa, Marine Le Pen é julgada por desvio de verbas públicas. Os juízes desse processo têm recebido ameaças de morte há alguns meses. Na segunda-feira, 31 de março, Marine Le Pen conhecerá o veredicto de uma ação penal em que ela, seu partido Reunião Nacional (RN) e 24 integrantes da sigla são acusados de ter desviado verbas destinadas à bancada da legenda no Parlamento Europeu, para o pagamento de despesas de funcionamento do partido na França, durante 12 anos, o que é ilegal. Esse desvio de milhões de euros de prejuízo ao Parlamento Europeu já foi em parte reembolsado pelo partido de Marine Le Pen, em um reconhecimento implícito de culpa. A Justiça francesa abriu uma investigação à parte, descobriu outras irregularidades e agora pode condenar Marine Le Pen a cinco anos de prisão, acompanhados de inelegibilidade com execução imediata da pena, mesmo se ela apresentar um recurso contra a condenação, o que a impediria de disputar a eleição presidencial de 2027. Como acontece no Brasil com bolsonaristas descontentes com a decisão do Supremo Tribunal Federal (STF) de tornar o ex-presidente Jair Bolsonaro réu por tentativa de golpe de Estado, na França os militantes do partido de Le Pen acusam a Justiça local de tentar influenciar o processo eleitoral. Durante os interrogatórios, a juíza titular do caso, Bénédicte de Perthuis, insistiu em obter respostas claras de Marine Le Pen sobre o pagamento dos salários desses colaboradores, mas ela se esquivou de fornecer os esclarecimentos, repetindo várias vezes a mesma versão, de que não havia feito nada de ilegal. Le Pen desviou a atenção do público das acusações, para sinalizar uma suposta politização da Justiça. Narrativas manipuladas inflamam as redes sociaisEssa tática da extrema direita de questionar as decisões de juízes é vista em vários países. Entre ultraconservadores e políticos de perfil autoritário virou regra bater na Justiça, minar a confiança dos eleitores na instituição por meio de campanhas de difamação e desinformação na internet, desviar a atenção da gravidade das acusações e das provas recolhidas nos inquéritos, para o réu se apresentar como vítima de perseguição política. A incitação à vingança contra os juízes é uma consequência dessas narrativas manipuladas. Um grupo de militantes de Le Pen que defendeu em um chat na internet "atirar na nuca dos juízes do caso", ou seja, promover execuções sumárias, está sendo investigado. Um agravante inesperado nesse caso foi o atual primeiro-ministro de centro-direita, François Bayrou, também processado no passado por empregos-fantasma em seu partido, ignorar o princípio de separação dos poderes e considerar o julgamento contra Marine Le Pen "injusto". Os juízes franceses ficaram furiosos com essa postura do chefe do Executivo.Sarkozy cai na teia das próprias contradiçõesNa quinta-feira (27), a Justiça francesa pediu sete anos de prisão contra o ex-presidente de direita Nicolas Sarkozy em um caso de corrupção. O Ministério Público e os juízes do processo também sofreram pressões.Sarkozy defende sua inocência desde o início do julgamento e considerou a pena requisitada "escandalosa" e "violenta". Ele se sente perseguido pela Justiça, apesar de ser suspeito de ter armado "um pacto de corrupção" com o ex-ditador líbio Muammar Kaddafi para financiar sua campanha presidencial de 2007. Para os procuradores do caso, todos os crimes pelos quais Sarkozy está sendo julgado, desde janeiro, foram comprovados: corrupção, encobrimento de desvio de dinheiro público, financiamento ilegal de campanha e associação criminosa. A Procuradoria Financeira de Paris trabalha para recolher provas sobre esse caso, revelado pelo site de jornalismo investigativo Médiapart, desde 2013, depois do fim do mandato presidencial e de Sarkozy ter perdido a imunidade do cargo. No ano seguinte, quando descobriu que estava com um telefone grampeado pelos investigadores, Sarkozy publicou um artigo num jornal comparando os métodos dos juízes franceses aos da Stasi, a polícia secreta comunista da ex-Alemanha Oriental. Políticos de direita reagem com frequência da mesma forma: a Justiça "é de esquerda", "comunista", "vermelha". O pedido dos investigadores para instalar a escuta foi motivado por indícios concretos e cumpriu os requisitos legais.Esses ataques para desacreditar o Judiciário e transmitir uma ideia de parcialidade têm sido banalizados. Sarkozy já foi condenado, em outro caso, a um ano de prisão por corrupção, pena que cumpre em casa com uma tornozeleira eletrônica. Centenas de ameaças por anoO Ministério da Justiça francês registra, em média, 150 ameaças a juízes nos tribunais por ano. O Tribunal de Bobigny, no subúrdio de Saint-Denis, na região parisiense, documentou nos últimos três anos um aumento das tentativas de agressão nas salas de audiência. Alguns casos se tornaram famosos. Em 2022, depois do presidente de um tribunal anunciar a condenação de um réu, cerca de 30 pessoas que estavam na sala, entre elas a mãe e a irmã do acusado, voaram para cima dos policiais que faziam a segurança do réu para tentar soltá-lo na marra.Houve também o substituto de um promotor que foi alvejado com um sapato na cabeça enquanto apresentava as alegações finais de acusação. Além do caso de uma juíza da Vara da Infância que teve parte do couro cabeludo arrancado por uma mãe que discordou da decisão judicial ao encontro da filha dela. Magistrados franceses têm alertado que a polarização permanente nas redes sociais, as teorias da conspiração e campanhas de difamação instrumentalizadas contra o Judiciário, para além da crítica legítima, criam uma atmosfera de desconfiança que sai do controle, pondo em risco princípios básicos da democracia.
Poslušalca je zanimalo, kako naj pripravi česen v kozarčkih, da bi njegovi ženi olajšal kuhanje – da se ji ne bi bilo treba ukvarjati z ljubljenjem drobnega domačega česna. Sestra Nikolina mu je svetovala, naj ga olupi in strese v mikser ter zmiksa. Pred tem naj posoli in doda olivno olje. Nastati mora gosta omaka, po potrebi dolije olje. To naloži v kozarčke, dobro pokrije oz. zapre in postavi v skrinjo. V hladilniku naj ima le kozarček, ki ga trenutno potrebuje – česen ven postrga z žličko.
Augustis esietendub Esna mõisas absurdikomöödia "Võluöö ulgumerel".
Svetovalnica je bila tokrat vrtnarsko obarvana. Naša gostja Barbara Lončar je spregovorila o zakonitostih saditve česna in čebule ter tudi okrasnih čebulic.
Česen očistimo in narežemo, solimo ter dodamo olivno olje. To zmiksamo, da dobimo nekakšno kremo ali namaz. Nalagamo v plastične kozarčke ali škatlice s pokrovčkom ter damo v skrinjo. Ko rabimo, česen z lahko z žličko postrgamo
Oh boy! A whole extra episode to talk about our THREE nights IN A ROW of KCON concerts wherein we saw: (g)i-dle, 8TURN, ATEEZ, CRAVITY, CRAXY, EsNa, EVERGLOW, George, INI, ITZY, IVE, JO1, justB, Kep1er, Kevin Woo, LAPILLUS, Limelight, NMIXX, Rain, RIIZE, Shownu x Hyungwon, Stray Kids, Taemin, Taeyong, The Boyz, VeriVery, WayV, XG, Xikers, and Zerobaseone!! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Notas del episodio: http://elrincondeaquiles.com/podcast/debate-recuenco-nogueras/ Únete a la comunidad en Telegram: https://t.me/elrincondeaquiles Llega el episodio 140 y El Rincón de Aquiles acoge el debate que todo twitter estaba esperando: Ramón Nogueras contra Javier Recuenco. La perspectiva del primero como psicólogo y tendiente al colectivismo, frente a la polimatía del segundo, acompañada por su visión más individualista. Ramón Nogueras es Licenciado en Psicología por la Universidad de Granada (2001) y máster en Dirección de Recursos Humanos por la Fundación ESNA (2003). Ha trabajado como psicólogo en consulta privada, como consultor y formador en empresas y como docente universitario en psicología de las organizaciones. Javier Recuenco es ingeniero informático y graduado en administración y dirección de empresas además de estar especializado en resolución de problemas complejos, siendo docente de máster en formación permanente en Problem solving. Ramón y Javier aseguran tener una gran relación en el ámbito privado pero en Twitter llevan años lanzándose cuchillos en cada tema del que disienten (prácticamente cualquiera). La gran capacidad argumental de cada uno y la solidez de sus afirmaciones hacen que estos cruces de tuits sean seguidos por un amplio público que lleva tiempo pidiendo un debate cara a cara. Los temas que hemos tratado en este episodio han sido los siguientes: • ¿Qué es la psicología evolutiva? • ¿Cuál es la evidencia más sólida que respalda la validez de la psicología evolutiva como disciplina científica? • ¿Es una realidad o una pseudociencia? • ¿Simplifica demasiado la complejidad del comportamiento del ser humano? • ¿Qué aplicación tiene la psicología evolutiva en nuestra sociedad actual? • ¿Somos realmente libres o respondemos a incentivos? • ¿Cuál es la importancia del individuo en la sociedad? • ¿Deberíamos priorizar el bienestar individual sobre el bienestar colectivo, o viceversa? • Cuándo es más beneficioso cada uno • ¿Cuales son los puntos de mejora del sistema capitalista? • ¿Se está infantilizando a la población al pretender quitar toda la responsabilidad en el individuo? • ¿Cómo podemos equilibrar la importancia de la evidencia científica con la necesidad de considerar otros factores? • Bullying en niños con AACC • ¿Van a votar en el 23J? ¿Qué sentido tiene ir a votar? YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@elrincondeaquiles Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/elrincondeaquiles.es Twitter: https://twitter.com/RinconDeAquiles
Notas del episodio: http://elrincondeaquiles.com/podcast/debate-recuenco-nogueras/ Únete a la comunidad en Telegram: https://t.me/elrincondeaquiles Llega el episodio 140 y El Rincón de Aquiles acoge el debate que todo twitter estaba esperando: Ramón Nogueras contra Javier Recuenco. La perspectiva del primero como psicólogo y tendiente al colectivismo, frente a la polimatía del segundo, acompañada por su visión más individualista. Ramón Nogueras es Licenciado en Psicología por la Universidad de Granada (2001) y máster en Dirección de Recursos Humanos por la Fundación ESNA (2003). Ha trabajado como psicólogo en consulta privada, como consultor y formador en empresas y como docente universitario en psicología de las organizaciones. Javier Recuenco es ingeniero informático y graduado en administración y dirección de empresas además de estar especializado en resolución de problemas complejos, siendo docente de máster en formación permanente en Problem solving. Ramón y Javier aseguran tener una gran relación en el ámbito privado pero en Twitter llevan años lanzándose cuchillos en cada tema del que disienten (prácticamente cualquiera). La gran capacidad argumental de cada uno y la solidez de sus afirmaciones hacen que estos cruces de tuits sean seguidos por un amplio público que lleva tiempo pidiendo un debate cara a cara. Los temas que hemos tratado en este episodio han sido los siguientes: • ¿Qué es la psicología evolutiva? • ¿Cuál es la evidencia más sólida que respalda la validez de la psicología evolutiva como disciplina científica? • ¿Es una realidad o una pseudociencia? • ¿Simplifica demasiado la complejidad del comportamiento del ser humano? • ¿Qué aplicación tiene la psicología evolutiva en nuestra sociedad actual? • ¿Somos realmente libres o respondemos a incentivos? • ¿Cuál es la importancia del individuo en la sociedad? • ¿Deberíamos priorizar el bienestar individual sobre el bienestar colectivo, o viceversa? • Cuándo es más beneficioso cada uno • ¿Cuales son los puntos de mejora del sistema capitalista? • ¿Se está infantilizando a la población al pretender quitar toda la responsabilidad en el individuo? • ¿Cómo podemos equilibrar la importancia de la evidencia científica con la necesidad de considerar otros factores? • Bullying en niños con AACC • ¿Van a votar en el 23J? ¿Qué sentido tiene ir a votar? YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@elrincondeaquiles Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/elrincondeaquiles.es Twitter: https://twitter.com/RinconDeAquiles
Vous vous en doutez, la sécurité occupe une place de choix parmi les caractéristiques fondamentales d'une solution collaborative. Rien d'étonnant à cela : les outils collaboratifs comme Jamespot voient transiter en leur sein documents, messages, tableaux et toute sorte de données. C'est bien toute la vie de l'entreprise qui circule quotidiennement au sein de ces outils. Alors quand il s'agit de renforcer la sécurité de Jamespot, Alain est toujours partant ! Et ça tombe très bien puisque notre podcasteur a participé il y a quelques jours au Bug Bounty de l'ESNA, l'Ecole supérieure du Numérique Appliqué ! Une nuit entière durant laquelle les étudiants de l'école partent à la chasse aux failles de sécurité de systèmes définis en amont de la compétition pour mettre en pratique leur apprentissage et tenter de remporter de fabuleux lots ! En sa qualité de président de Jamespot qui faisait parti des systèmes à craquer, Alain était présent à l'édition 2023 et vous emmène à la découverte de cette compétititon passionnante autour de la cybersécurité !
Kara and Jordan cover four ancient Egypt-themed headlines from the void in the Great Pyramid to the recently restored zodiac at the Temple of Esna. Make sure to stay up-to-date with other Egypt and archaeology related news via out substack-- ancientnow.substack.com
La tertulia semanal en la que repasamos las últimas noticias de la actualidad científica. En el episodio de hoy: Pospuesto el lanzamiento de la misión europea JUICE (min 4:00); El techo astronómico del templo egipcio de Esna (10:00); Fragmentarium: Reconstruyendo el puzzle de las tablillas babilonias (36:00); Ciencia ciudadana y tomografía de rayos X para leer los papiros de Herculano (1:01:00); El problema de einstein: Teselado aperiódico con una tesela (1:19:00); El polémico caso de Rafael Luque (1:54:00); Señales de los oyentes (2:39:00). Contertulios: María Ribes, Sara Robisco, Francis Villatoro, Héctor Socas. Todos los comentarios vertidos durante la tertulia representan únicamente la opinión de quien los hace... y a veces ni eso! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Ouça a história de Esna Boyd, campeã do Australian Championship Siga o podcast nas redes sociais:Twitter @poddotenis https://bit.ly/3pI3sTFInstagram @podhistoriasdotenis https://bit.ly/3m68lU1 O Podcast Histórias do Tênis é 100% independente. Ajude com qualquer valor para a produção de mais conteúdos sobre a história desse esporte.PIX: historiasdotenis@hotmail.com Festering by Blue Dot Sessions
News items read by Laura Kennedy include: 7,000-year-old cemetery reveals oldest evidence of cattle bloodletting (details) Archaeologists discover rare Zodiac reliefs in Egyptian Temple of Esna (details) Genomic analyses of hair from Ludwig van Beethoven reveals clues about his death (details) (details) (details) (details) (details)
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SpaceTime Series 25 Episode 58*Has an ancient doorway been found on Mars – well no!NASA's Mars Curiosity rover has taken an image of what looks like a doorway leading into a secret alien temple hidden in a cliff face on the red planet.*The largest asteroid to approach Earth this yearThe Earth has just been visited by the largest asteroid to approach the planet this year.*Starliner completes its second orbital test flightAfter a string of failures and other technical issues Boeing has successfully completed the second orbital test flight of NASA's new Starliner CST-100 spacecraft.*The Science ReportConcern continuing to mount globally over the increasing number of cases of Monkeypox.Vaccinated people who catch COVID tend to spread less virus.Archaeologists discover vibrantly-coloured frescoes in an ancient temple at Esna.Skeptic's guide to manmade weather eventsListen to SpaceTime on your favorite podcast app with our universal listen link: https://spacetimewithstuartgary.com/listen For more SpaceTime and show links: https://linktr.ee/biteszHQ If you love this podcast, please get someone else to listen to. Thank you…To become a SpaceTime supporter and unlock commercial free editions of the show, gain early access and bonus content, please visit https://bitesz.supercast.com/ . Premium version now available via Spotify and Apple Podcasts.For more podcasts visit our HQ at https://bitesz.com #astronomy #space #science #news #podcast #spacetime #mars
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Join Kareem Ibrahim, an architect and CEO of Takween Integrated Community Development, as he reveals an Egyptian hidden gem, the ancient city of Esna, and an innovative project to introduce sustainable tourism through community "site-doing"rather than site-seeing!
A Kom Ombo, a l'Alt Egipte, hi ha un grup de grans cocodrils momificats. El vell temple ha resistit el pas del temps, i des de fa m
A Kom Ombo, a l'Alt Egipte, hi ha un grup de grans cocodrils momificats. El vell temple ha resistit el pas del temps, i des de fa m
Gostja sredine Svetovalnice je bila Miša Pušenjak, svetovalka specialistka za pridelavo vrtnin na Kmetijsko gozdarskem zavodu Maribor. O saditvi česna, o jesenskem gnojenju in drugih opravilih na vrtovih je svetovala in seveda odgovarjala tudi na vaša vprašanja.
It's not all fun and games when the net is down. Dave and Evan meet with Mo Nezarati, President of Voice at Subspace. A funny thing happened to the folks at Subspace when they set out to improve gaming, they discovered how to upgrade the entire internet. Subspace harnesses the power of games to improve real-time apps. Latency and other network issues deprive us all from the online experience we deserve and expect. The obvious solution is to build a high performance, global platform that can personalize network performance for our specific situation - that's what Subspace did. It uses gaming data to fix the performance of real-time applications around the globe. Mo is a voice pro. He has technical chops and understands the business side too. His career experience includes 26 years at Esna, a company he co-founded. Esna was acquired by Avaya in 2015, and that's where Mo launched Zang. That service is now known as Avaya OneCloud Spaces and CPaaS, and are among Avaya's most significant recent launches. He did a short tour at Sangoma after Avaya and landed at Subspace about a year ago.
eSNa has been releasing music through her ‘Hanpuri Project' and she explains the process of how a song gets officially released.Remember to subscribe, like, comment, rate/review on all of our platforms! Your feedback means everything!Connect with eSNa (에스나):http://www.youtube.com/esnathesingerhttp://www.instagram.com/esnahttp://www.instagram.com/notsoclassyshowhttp://www.facebook.com/esnahttp://twitter.com/esnathesingerSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Min and eSNa drink together on camera for the first time and Min opens up about her experience at JYP over Tokki.Remember to subscribe, like, comment, rate/review on all of our platforms! Your feedback means everything!Connect with eSNa (에스나):http://www.youtube.com/esnathesingerhttp://www.instagram.com/esnahttp://www.instagram.com/notsoclassyshowhttp://www.facebook.com/esnahttp://twitter.com/esnathesingerSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Capítulo 5. Un podcast grabando en pleno río Nilo donde hablaremos de la esclusa de Esna y de los templos de Edfú y Kom Ombo.
Jongup and eSNa talk about working on new music, call all the B.A.P. members, and play “Spill It Or Throw It Back” over soju.Connect with eSNa (에스나):http://www.youtube.com/esnathesingerhttp://www.instagram.com/esnahttp://www.instagram.com/notsoclassyshowhttp://www.facebook.com/esnahttp://twitter.com/esnathesinger
Lucky talks about his whole process of ending up in Korea and becoming a TV personality over food from his restaurant, Lucky India.Remember to subscribe, like, comment, rate/review on all of our platforms! Your feedback means everything!Connect with eSNa (에스나):http://www.youtube.com/esnathesingerhttp://www.instagram.com/esnahttp://www.instagram.com/notsoclassyshowhttp://www.facebook.com/esnahttp://twitter.com/esnathesinger
Sabrina explains about Muslim culture, shares how she got a government scholarship to study in Korea and asks eSNa some tough questions while eating Halal Guys.Remember to subscribe, like, comment, rate/review on all of our platforms! Your feedback means everything!Connect with eSNa (에스나):http://www.youtube.com/esnathesingerhttp://www.instagram.com/esnahttp://www.instagram.com/notsoclassyshowhttp://www.facebook.com/esnahttp://twitter.com/esnathesinger
Eric is the first guest to willingly drink on the show and knew exactly how to get eSNa riled up over Johnny Walker Black.Remember to subscribe, like, comment, rate/review on all of our platforms! Your feedback means everything!Connect with eSNa (에스나):http://www.youtube.com/esnathesingerhttp://www.instagram.com/esnahttp://www.instagram.com/notsoclassyshowhttp://www.facebook.com/esnahttp://twitter.com/esnathesinger
Daniel Sandrin (이동준) did not think they would finish the bottle he brought. He was not prepared.Remember to subscribe, like, comment, rate/review on all of our platforms! Your feedback means everything!Connect with eSNa (에스나):http://www.youtube.com/esnathesingerhttp://www.instagram.com/esnahttp://www.instagram.com/notsoclassyshowhttp://www.facebook.com/esnahttp://twitter.com/esnathesinger
Today in "Double Date," Kevin & Ashley talk about bad habits and how to kick them. Then they chat about long-distance relationships and how to make them work with singer Esna in . Finally, in the second half of the show, they share a couple messages from listeners in .
Today in "Double Date," Kevin & Ashley share their favorite quotes and talk about issues related to cat-calling during with singer Esna. Later, they read a from a listener named Heidi and finally share several submissions for Ashley's nickname before announcing the winner!
Today in "Double Date," Kevin & Ashley celebrate Kevin's birthday with a special edition of with guests, JP and Esna, and half-way through Producer Primary crashes the party and makes a rare appearance on radio! All throughout the show, we get lots of congratulatory from listeners, including one from a group singing "Happy Birthday," and later, even a very special from an old friend, Xander!
Today on "Double Date," Kevin answers a Voice Mail from listener Bora about guys and emoticons, debates about splitting cleaning duties at home with singer Esna in , and delivers a couple listeners' messages in .
Sue Fernand, VP of Channel Sales at Cirrus Insight joins us to discuss how smaller businesses can scale quickly and effectively with both the right channel partners and the right tools on this episode of The Allbound Podcast. Effective selling takes an ecosystem. Explore how to supercharge your sales and master the art of never selling alone. Welcome to the Allbound Podcast, the fundamentals of accelerating growth with partners. Jen: Hi, everyone. Welcome to the Allbound Podcast. I'm Jen Spencer and today I am joined by Sue Fernand, VP of Channel Sales at Cirrus Insight. Welcome, Sue. Sue: Thank you, Jen. Happy to be here. Jen: Well, I'm really glad to have you, and especially I wanted to share a little bit about your background because you've been working in a channel for about 18 years, and you've pretty much had almost every role within the channel. So, from like being strategic accounts director at Esna Technologies to different specialized director of channel roles, and I know you also serve as a strategic advisor, focused on like I.E partnerships and channel for the small business web, so you definitely know channel inside and out. We are just really, really, really glad to have you here on the show. Sue: Well, thank you. I'm glad to be here. Jen: So let's dive into some questions I have for you. You know, you've got a lot of experience, not just in channel, but in tech, and we think about like rapidly growing software companies and the software industry and SaaS. Would love to hear from you where you think the software industry has the greatest opportunity, specifically when it comes to channel, and knowing that channel has been more of a traditional hardware type of go-to market strategy for many, many years. Sue: Yeah, that's definitely a good question, because you're right, and in my early years of being in sales and being in channel sales, it was. It was all hardware. You know, in the OEM space a little bit, as well as, you know, just being an additional product in like a telecom vendor's portfolio. And then SaaS is a little bit different. I think the partnership story and channel story, you know, changes a little bit, but I think the greatest opportunity is really for growth, right? I mean a lot of the, like you mentioned, small startups, you know, they don't have the scale out the gate. So trying to get the word out on your own about what your product does or getting in front of, you know, customers that would be a good fit, it's oftentimes challenging, and you can spend a lot of money doing events and, you know, you might blow through any sort of VC, let's say, that you have. But you can get a really strong partner ecosystem that knows your product, sees the value in it, sees the value for their clients, I think that's a really great way to scale. I mean, again, a lot of these companies that you would sign up to be a partner, they have clients already and it's, you know, super...I think it's a great place to start, and that's one of the things I always do when I bring on a new partner. It's like, "Let's get some webinars or events or things like that set up with your existing clients. Let's get in front of those clients." I think it's always easier for customers to sell to their existing customers, right? So it's a really great way to kick off the relationship and it's a great way to have some initial wins. I think, you know, getting success out the gate is a good way to do it. You know, even if you have to maybe spoon-feed a couple of deals to your partners, I think that that kind of creates a good environment when the relationship kicks off, instead of spending a ton of time training and creating awareness and creating, you know, collateral, and then it's like there's no opportunities, so things just sit there. But I think, you know, being able to get in front of, you know, whatever channel you choose, get in front of their existing clients and make sure that you can kind of have some pipeline right away. Jen: That's such a good point, and you know what it makes me thing of, it reminds me of when we recently promoted one of our BDRs to be an account exec, right? And when we did that, we didn't just kind of set him free, right? Actually our director of sales kind of worked with him and, you know, did those sort of ride-alongs and got a win under his belt, right, and really helped him see that and taste it, right, and be hungry for more. And it's an approach I see a lot of sales leaders taking when it comes to their direct business, but when it comes to channel, I mean, they're still just...they're salespeople. So how do you teach them how to have a win and get that win for them, help get that win for them, and then let them go and do it on their own after that? So I think it's just something I hadn't really thought of before and then you mention this, and it's like that makes perfect sense to me. Sue: Yeah, exactly. It kind of started out with a positive. That way, the story can kind of resonate throughout the company, and people will pay a bit more attention to, you know, your offering. Jen: So, you know, I try to be a really good social listener and pay attention to some of the really great content that's being shared in the space. And you had shared an article that was written by one of your colleagues at Cirrus Insight. It was called "Why Small Businesses Are Struggling Without Sales Software," and I really liked that piece. We'll link to it in the show notes. So in it, the author says that only around 50% of all businesses survive 5 years or more and only about one third make it a full 10-plus years. And if you want to be a success now, it's such a key to work carefully, so it was pretty eye-opening. And, you know, from our perspective, you know, here over at Allbound, we 100% agree sales software, partner sales software can make a world of difference in those companies being successful. I would love to hear from you what you think a business needs, you know, for their channel to create a path that's gonna lead a business to that 10-plus year mark, given the fact that so many small businesses are, you know, struggling to survive. Sue: Yeah, definitely, and that article was super interesting because some of the statistics in there were just crazy. You know, it said, you know, of the people that were polled, 74% of those companies were managing things manually, and only 16% even leveraged CRM, which just seems surprising in this day and age. But, you know, that's true, obviously, and you do see it. I mean, I think being in the sales and tech world, sometimes we tend to live in a bubble and we assume everybody's using all these really cool things and managing their business in the most effective manner, when, in reality, that's not the case. And I think small businesses, in general, sometimes try to do a lot of things manually to maybe cut some corners and save some money, or they'll like patch together a bunch of free apps, let's say, but I really think that's where you fail, right, because you're not getting any of the tracking data either, so how do you even figure out what's working or what's not working, and those types of investments, they definitely pay off. And I think when you're managing a channel, you have to have a really good system in place of how that's gonna work from beginning to end. Otherwise, it would be just a big mess because, again, it's probably gonna be, you know, one or two people managing an ecosystem of partners, so you need to have some automation. And you absolutely want to track the data, track performance, so that you really can figure out where your efforts are best served, right, which partners are bringing you the most leads. That's hugely important. Which partners are maybe bringing you the bigger size deals, so you're gonna want to put your efforts there, or which partners are just not getting it, they're just not engaging, and, you know, what can you do to get them engaged or maybe that's just not a good fit, and you move along. But I think it's really important to invest in sales or partner enablement software because there's a definite investment upfront, but it's going to pay off. Jen: And, you know, I think you'll agree with me when I say that successful partners and salespeople, successful salespeople, tend to be really happy. They're gonna be your happy partners. They're going to continue to drive business for your organization. And if they're unhappy, that probably means they're not making money, right? So, you know, how do you do it? How are you enabling your partners to sell more efficiently? Are you running promotional programs? Are you producing any types of materials or marketing tools? You know, love to hear a little bit about what you do to ensure that those partners are well enabled to sell. Sue: Absolutely, yes. I kind of have three different channels within the channels that I focus on. The majority of the channels that I'm focusing on now with my current role at Cirrus are Salesforce consulting partners. So they're actually referral partners. They're not actually selling our licensing, but, you know, they are involved with their Salesforce deployments, all of their clients, our Salesforce users, so it's really, really important for them to know about what our product does. So one of the things we do for them, and I think it's a really smart move, is give them the software to use in-house. So they're using it, and it's a great app. They love it and they know that it's going to help increase Salesforce adoption, so it makes natural sense to recommend it. Then, obviously, we also pay referral fees and we launch, you know, different types of promotions from time to time, you know, that will offer the ability to maybe win a trip or get a gift card, or something like that. But constant engagement and having a really easy way for them to get to that content too. Like, we've got a landing page with resources, so we've kept up-to-date, but it's got all of our marketing materials, tape studies, tutorials, everything, you know, is right there so that they're not having to, you know, go all over the place to kind of figure out what they need. As well as we've done what we call micro-sites, so when someone signs up to be a partner, we'll create a custom branded page with their logo and a little description. We'll also list them as a partner on our site, but they are referring people to us. It has that really nice look. You know, we've got their logo on there, and it just, you know, shows that there's a relationship there. So I think that that's, you know, important, to make sure that you not only have a program, but make sure that it's easy and continually, you know, query the partners too, like, "Is this working for you? Is this a mutually beneficial relationship?" And if you need to make changes or you need to maybe launch something as a promo, then you can, you know, go ahead and do that just to kind of keep that engagement going. Jen: That's a good point. And I'm wondering, have you ever created something or worked for a company where you guys put something together, whether it was a promotion or it was some, you know, content or something that you did that just fell flat, that you thought like, "Oh, this is gonna be great," and the partners just not respond to it? Has that ever happened? Sue: Oh yeah, definitely. You come up with this great promotion, let's say, and you're like, "People are gonna be signing up left and right, and we're gonna get so many leads or so many referrals out of this," and it just doesn't take off. I think you really need to figure out what's important to their business, because, you know, their business has needs, right? And I think for us, like with our consulting partners, their business is services, they're implementing, so that's what's hugely important to them. Retail partners, they're selling something else, and we're a bolted-on attachment, so that's a little bit different because they're making potentially a little bit more money off of it. So I think you almost have to continually, before you launch a promotion, really understand what's gonna drive them. It's gotta help their business, not necessarily the actual prize at the end of the day, but it's got to be something that's gonna overall effect and allow them to have more business out of the promotion that you're offering. Jen: I'd love to hear a really great partnership story. I'm wondering, from your experience, whether it's at Cirrus or maybe at Esna, you know, really anywhere you've worked over the course of your career, if you have just, like, one of your favorite partnership stories, whether that's like the most revenue, or a really big accomplishment, or some like amazing strategic alliance that you were able to build. Do you have any anecdotes for us? Sue: Yeah, definitely. I think probably like the most challenging but exciting time in my career of managing in channels was when I made the switch, when I was, you know, with the previous employer, Esna. We'd kind of switched from working with like traditional telecom hardware vendors to trying, you know, working in the SaaS base. Even though we were technically still equipment, we were repositioning and attaching ourselves to SaaS products, like Google and, you know, Office 365, and other, you know, cloud based platforms. So we had to seek out a different kind of partner, and that was an exciting time, challenging time, because it was very different, and a much, much different approach, but it allowed me to really get involved in a lot of the early on enterprise companies, you know, moving to the cloud. One of the deals I worked on with one of our partners was with LinkedIn, and that was a super exciting opportunity, super exciting deal. We were very critical in that decision of moving that entire company over to Google. I know they've now been acquired by Microsoft, but it was a very exciting deal, and it really solidified the relationship with that partner, because, you know, it's pretty obvious without our piece of it, maybe that deal would not have gone down, and we really worked very strategically together on it, so that when it came through, it was very, very exciting. So it was a real success and a win, and I think it left a better engagement for both parties, because that was so much investment on both ends and it was a very long process, but it was definitely a big accomplishment. Jen: I think, you know, recruiting the right partners is so important, and it's something that we've talked about a great deal on this podcast or other content that we created at Allbound about, you know, who you decide to partner with and build those alliances with. And, you know, ideally, it's all of your partnerships all result in these amazingly successful relationships, you know, like the one you shared. You know, but realistically there are partnerships that fall flat, you know, that don't quite get to where we had hoped they want to. And then there are some that we consider like those diamonds in the rough, right, where you didn't know how amazing it was gonna be, and then it just blossomed into a really great partnership. Do you have an effective recruiting tool or a strategy that you've used to really help gain meaningful partnerships? Sue: Yeah, definitely, and that's hugely important, because I think, you know, there is the challenge of knowing who the people are, the players, and their respective base that you want to get into. And I think sometimes we all want to go right to top, right? We want the biggest ones, like, you know, in the Salesforce ecosystem that would be like the Accentures. You know, we want to go right to the top. And I think that for my purposes, what I found is going right to the top isn't always the best way. Yes, they're very, very big companies, and they have lots of clients, but it's very, very hard to get mind share in those large organizations, because, you know, there may be potentially even a lot of red tape to even get that partnership going, and then once you're there, you know, it's really hard to get mind share. So I think kind of going for, you know, more of a smaller business, but maybe if you're looking for particular verticals, a business that focuses entirely on that vertical, that makes sense, or more of a boutique type, you know, partner, and a lot of times can be that diamond in the rough, right? Like, maybe it's only a two- or three-person operation, but they've got this reputation, where they're just bringing you these really big deals. I really like to, you know, take a look at people's websites quite honestly and see what kind of work they've done, what kind of content they're putting up. I like to see people that are kind of thought leaders, because then I know that they're gonna get the ROI and the story that we're gonna bring to the client. So I like to do a little bit of investigation, not just knowing, "Hey, this is a big partner, this is a successful partner," but let's see what kinds of clients they have, what's on their website, what's on their blog, what are they putting out there, what's important to them. So certainly bringing social into the mix is a lot about how I do the recruitment or seeking out additional partners. Jen: Well, I think that's really smart because I've seen culture make or break a partnership, right? So you can have two organizations. You might be both targeting a similar, you know, that same ideal customer profile or you might be focusing on the same buyer percentage. But culturally, if you're extremely different in your approach, that could definitely impede the success of that partnership. So, I mean, I think that's really, really wise, but there's not always a clear-cut way of figuring that out, right? That takes time. Like you said, going onto someone's website, consuming some of the content that they're creating, looking at what they're posting on social media. I mean, do you have a team that helps you with that, or are you kind of doing that on your own? How do you scale that kind of...yeah. Sue: At Cirrus, we're small, we're a startup, but yeah, it's kind of on me. But in the past, gosh, I mean I remember back in the early days of my career, you know, going and getting like the phone books and going through and finding like all the interconnect companies in a particular area, you didn't have, you know, as many online resources, so you had to go a little bit, you know, more old school on that. But I think that, in general, you're right, the culture thing is super important, and you also need to understand the rules of engagement, too. That's big as well. You know, some partnerships will want you to be very hands off. You know, they'll want you to entirely enable their teams, but they don't want you talking to their customers. They want to own the deal and they're just gonna kind of come to you, you know, to order it, let's say, or if they have technical questions. Where other partners are gonna really want you kind of side by side in the deal, especially the larger strategic ones. So I guess knowing, you know, what the rules of engagement are and how much, you know, visibility you're gonna want into their pipeline, let's say, you know, these are all things that you kind of need to find out when you identify what types of partners you're looking for. Jen: Oh yeah, I agree 100%, and it's like it's not a one size fits all, right? So you have to adjust that communication. Sue: Yeah, definitely not, definitely not. And I've even worked in OEM relationships too, where you can't even...it's not even something that you're publically saying that it's your product, even though it is your product. So that's a whole other different partnership, where it is, really, truly hands off, and you're just kind of managing, you know, the actual relationship between the two companies, but there's not gonna be any sort of a forward facing discussion with the client. In my experience, I prefer it when it's more of a, you know, collaborative approach. I think it's more successful, and maybe that's just the types of products that I've sold, but I think no one can tell the story better than you can. You can definitely enable your partners, and they can tell that story, but when it comes to a really large strategic deal, I think having, you know, both people there, them selling their company and their services, and you coming in as, you know, supporting them as the expert on your technologies. For me, that's been the recipe for success. Jen: Before I let you go, I was just thinking, Cirrus Insight's a younger company, like you said. You've got this partner play. Maybe you can kind of take a step back and share a little bit about the company, you know, so all the listeners have an idea of like, okay, who is Cirrus Insight, right? And then also, you know, love to know when the organization decided to make that go-to market, to make that partner play and have a go-to market strategy around channel partners. Was it right out of the gate? Did it come later? Can you just shed a little bit of light on how you did that? Because I know we have a lot of listeners who are in similar situations or maybe even like a year or two behind where you are, I think it would be great to hear your story. Sue: Yeah, absolutely. In fact, I mean, I joined them almost...so it'll be two years next month. So when I came onboard, they already did have, you know, partners. I think out the gate, they focused on the partner model right away, because they knew that was gonna be the way to scale, and Salesforce partners were the way to go because they owned the relationship, and building a name and a brand in that ecosystem, that's where you had to go. In terms of, you know, the company and the history, it's kind of a funny story actually. I was one of the first users of Cirrus Insight when I was at Esna, so I actually found the product. We were a Gmail shop. We used Salesforce and, you know, quite honestly we were struggling with our adoption, and I found it, and I used it, and I was a huge fan. I have posted one of the first reviews on the app exchange, so I knew about them for quite some time and was a big fan. So when I was looking into new opportunities, it made sense for me to reach out to other products that I loved and used and I knew made my life easier because I think, you know, that adds a lot of credit and validity to your story when you can say, like, "Hey, I've been there, I've seen the transformation, and I use this," or it's not like you're just selling a product, so to speak, if you have a little bit of history on it. But yeah, they've been partner focused before my time. I know that's how they grew the company. So when I came in, there were already some established partners, and now I've just taken that process and just grown it even further and brought in some additional relationships with OEM Salesforce partners and building up a little bit more on the resale side and getting a better handle on tracking, the referral partners that we have and just having a point person that's just engaging with them on a regular basis. I think, in general, with any channel, it's just about enablement and engagement. And, again, the thing that we were talking about earlier, having a system in place that allows you to do that, not manually, but having something in place that allows you to use some software so that you can have the data that you need, and be able to track that, and track the metrics on it, and figure out what's working and what's not working. Otherwise, I don't think, you know, it's going to be a successful channel if you don't do it right. Jen: Absolutely. It's like, you know, if you were a DemandGen marketer and you never paid attention to what marketing efforts produced the most number of leads, right? If you did that, you know, that would be very foolish, right? So putting the same approach, the same thing we're all doing with the direct sales and marketing efforts, putting those same processes and holding those same standards, you know, with indirect sales and indirect marketing as well. So it's a big passion point of mine for sure. Sue: Yes, definitely. I agree. Jen: So before I totally let you go, I do like to ask a couple of more personal questions so the listeners can get to know you a little bit better and maybe bond with you over some other commonalities besides just channels, because we are more than our jobs, right? So my first question for you is, what is your favorite city? Sue: My favorite city, oh gosh, that's a good question. You know, I hate to say it, because it's so close to home, but New York City. I just always find something new and exciting to do there, and I'm pretty close to New York. I'm in Connecticut, so I get there quite often. So I've been in a lot of places in the world, but I do have to say New York City is definitely my favorite city. Jen: Awesome. Okay, question number two, do you consider yourself an animal lover? Do you have any pets? Sue: You know, it's funny. If you asked me this like five years ago, I would say no, but I have a dog now, and I'm like a complete convert. I was against it. My children really wanted a dog, and, of course, made all sorts of promises that they were gonna take care of the dog, and that's really not what happened. I take care of her, but I am like...I just like ride or die for that dog. Jen: What kind of a dog is it? Sue: She is a long-haired Chihuahua. So she's like a little, you know, a little lap dog, but she's adorable, and I just adore her, and I didn't anticipate myself feeling this way about a dog, but I do. Jen: I'm a very similar story, and actually he's like five-eighths Chihuahua. There's a couple other things in there. We did the whole like doggie DNA thing. So, yeah, I have a Chihuahua, and I swear I think he would be most happy if he was in a Baby Bjorn attached to me at all times. Like, if he could get inside my skin, he would be happy, right? It's so funny. They're funny dogs. Okay, question number three, Mac or PC? Sue: Mac all the way. In fact, you know, I think I used like a PC laptop like once in my life. I've been a Mac user since I was a child. Jen: Awesome. Last question for you. Let's say I was able to offer you an all expenses paid trip, where would it be to? Sue: Ooh, I would go to Italy. Jen: Ooh. Anywhere particular in Italy or just like see it all? Sue: I would just like to go. I would like to see it all and eat my way through Italy. Jen: Yeah, sounds good. Sue: And drink wine as well. Jen: Sounds really good. I know I went to Italy a number of years ago, like a good, you know, like, I don't know, 14 or 15 years ago, and I think I remember it being actually cheaper to drink wine than anything else, and so that was what I did. Sue: Nice. Jen: But I do hope you get to Italy, even if I'm not the one who has the opportunity to send you there. Sue: There you go, exactly. Jen: Well, thank you. Thanks for joining me and joining us in the Allbound Podcast. If anyone wants to reach out to you, maybe they're interested in becoming a Cirrus Insight partner, maybe they kind of want to pick your brain about some of the thoughts you've shared, what's the best way for them to get a hold of you? Sue: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, feel free to follow me, obviously on LinkedIn, Twitter, Instagram. But if you want to, you know, directly communicate with me, you can just e-mail me at S, as in "SAM," fernand, F-E-R-N-A-N-D, @cirrusinsight.com, and I'm happy to talk channel. And then hey, if we happen to be in the same town, have a cup of coffee or a glass of wine, whatever works, I'm happy to share thoughts. Jen: Great. I'm sure folks will appreciate that, especially considering the experience you have and what you're building over there at Cirrus. So, again, thank you, Sue, for joining us, and thanks everyone else for joining us for the podcast, and we'll catch you all next week. Sue: Excellent. Thank you so much, Jen. Male: Thanks for tuning into the Allbound Podcast. For past episodes and additional resources, visits the resource center at allbound.com. And remember, never sell alone.
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