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Best podcasts about matt phelan

Latest podcast episodes about matt phelan

Working With Humans by Matt Phelan and friends
Employee Value Proposition with Stephanie Sampiere

Working With Humans by Matt Phelan and friends

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 12, 2025 46:50


Workplace Happiness expert Matt Phelan and Global Communications and HR Leader Stephanie Sampiere sit down to discuss the DNA of the workplace culture and how that manifests in a healthy EVP.About Stephanie SampiereAccomplished global communications, people, change and culture strategist who partners with executives to lead employee communications, engagement, experience, culture, talent and change programmes and activities for global organisations. Award-winning leader focused on creating narratives and building and developing the teams, projects and initiatives to engage and excite employees. Steers multiple, concurrent projects and activities within deadlines and on budget. DE&I and inclusive culture champion.Matt asks Stephanie the following questions.1) What makes you happy?2) How can you make room to hear the voices that matter?3) Why do they work here? 4) Where do they want to go?5) How do you build an EVP?6) What is a company's DNA?7) How do you support managers in times of change?

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I Was Blind But Now I See - Ps Matt Phelan

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Play Episode Listen Later Mar 1, 2025 39:00


Welcome to the Nova Church Podcast. Join us for this episode as Pastor Matt Phelan brings a message called, 'I Was Blind But Now I See.'________// LINKSNova Church https://novachurch.com/Watch Live https://novachurch.com/liveGive https://novachurch.com/giveJoin a Family https://novachurch.com/families________// CONNECT ON SOCIALSInstagram http://instagram.com/novachurchadlFacebook http://www.facebook.com/novachurchadlSupport the show

Working With Humans by Matt Phelan and friends
The 4 enablers of Employee Engagement with Jo Dodds

Working With Humans by Matt Phelan and friends

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 28, 2025 42:51


Matt Phelan sits down to discuss with Jo Dodds her career and work with Engage for Success. Jo defines the 4 enablers of Employee Engagement and how you can use them to drive employee engagement.The Four Enablers of Engagement are 1) Strategic Narrative · 2) Organisational Integrity · 3) Engaging Managers · 4) Employee Voice.Matt asks Jo the following questions What makes you happy?Tell us about your career?How do you find a career with purpose ?How did you get involved in engage for success?Can you give us a brief summary of the Engage for success 4 enablers ???What have you learnt about Strategic narrative?How do you Engage managers?Are there any key lessons for listening to voice of the Employee? What is Organisational integrity and why is it important?Jo in her own wordsI'm an employee engagement consultant. I also coach, speak, train, consult and facilitate depending on the need. I am co-Strategy Director for Engage for Success.My key strengths are around communication, individualisation and collecting and translating knowledge into learning for others. Aside from my consulting and speaking work, this works really well when I have the opportunity to chair a conference! Specialties: Personal Productivity | Wellbeing | Speaker | Facilitator | Trainer | Coach | Consultant Employee Engagement | Organisational Development | Leadership Development | Employee Communications | Employee Collaboration | HR | Human Resources | Business Networking |

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How Healing Happens - Ps Matt Phelan

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Play Episode Listen Later Feb 21, 2025 44:27


Welcome to the Nova Church Podcast. Join us for this episode as Pastor Matt Phelan brings a message called, 'How Healing Happens.'________// LINKSNova Church https://novachurch.com/Watch Live https://novachurch.com/liveGive https://novachurch.com/giveJoin a Family https://novachurch.com/families________// CONNECT ON SOCIALSInstagram http://instagram.com/novachurchadlFacebook http://www.facebook.com/novachurchadlSupport the show

Working With Humans by Matt Phelan and friends
Psychological Safety & High Performance with Richard Reid

Working With Humans by Matt Phelan and friends

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 17, 2025 46:47


Matt Phelan co-founder of The Happiness Index sits down with Richard Reid a Behavioural Psychologist and Psychotherapist to discuss the importance of Psychological Safety in modern leadership.Richard in his own wordsAs a seasoned executive coach, psychologist, and consultant with decades of experience, I am committed to working with senior leaders, entrepreneurs, and public figures in addressing complex problems and taking advantage of strategic opportunities. As an in-demand media spokesperson and keynote speaker, I provide a unique combination of psychological acumen and business insight while supporting organisations in reaching their full potential and prospering in an increasingly fast-changing world.In this episode Matt asks Richard these questions.What makes you Happy?Tell us about your career?What is psychological safety?How can you have an honest supportive environment?How open is an open door?How do you encourage people to speak up?Is vulnerability important?How does feedback and authentic conversations work?What are your managers afraid of asking?How much is the cost of keeping a high fee earner with bad behavior?How do you start a difficult conversation?What does excellence look like?

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He Is Turning The Page - Ps Matt Phelan

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Play Episode Listen Later Feb 12, 2025 38:40


Welcome to the Nova Church Podcast. Join us for this episode as Pastor Matt Phelan brings a message called, 'He Is Turning The Page.'________// LINKSNova Church https://novachurch.com/Watch Live https://novachurch.com/liveGive https://novachurch.com/giveJoin a Family https://novachurch.com/families________// CONNECT ON SOCIALSInstagram http://instagram.com/novachurchadlFacebook http://www.facebook.com/novachurchadlSupport the show

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Dead's Not Done - Ps Matt Phelan

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Play Episode Listen Later Feb 12, 2025 37:50


Welcome to the Nova Church Podcast. Join us for this episode as Pastor Matt Phelan brings a message called, 'Dead's Not Done.'________// LINKSNova Church https://novachurch.com/Watch Live https://novachurch.com/liveGive https://novachurch.com/giveJoin a Family https://novachurch.com/families________// CONNECT ON SOCIALSInstagram http://instagram.com/novachurchadlFacebook http://www.facebook.com/novachurchadlSupport the show

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Broken People In Beautiful Places - Ps Matt Phelan

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Play Episode Listen Later Dec 27, 2024 46:21


Welcome to the Nova Church Podcast. Join us for this episode as Pastor Matt Phelan brings a message called, 'Broken People In Beautiful Places.'________// LINKSNova Church https://novachurch.com/Watch Live https://novachurch.com/liveGive https://novachurch.com/giveJoin a Family https://novachurch.com/families________// CONNECT ON SOCIALSInstagram http://instagram.com/novachurchadlFacebook http://www.facebook.com/novachurchadlSupport the show

The Melting Pot with Dominic Monkhouse
E326 | The Happiness Index for a Thriving Workplace with Matt Phelan

The Melting Pot with Dominic Monkhouse

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 10, 2024 46:00


SummaryIn this conversation, Matt Phelan, the co-founder of the Happiness Index and author of "The Business Case for Happiness" and "The Happiness Index, " shares valuable insight into measuring emotions in the workplace. Matt challenges the old business adage, "If you can measure it, you can manage it," emphasising that understanding and supporting employee happiness leads to better performance.Listen to this entrepreneur's story, which led to pioneering the integration of happiness metrics in workplace culture. Highlighting Richard Branson's belief that employees come first, Matt introduces his data-driven approach to fostering workplace happiness and its significant impact on business outcomes.The episode explores the complex relationship between measuring and managing happiness and the importance of emotional well-being in the workplace. Matt also offers book recommendations and practical advice for enhancing happiness at work, making this a must-listen for any leader eager to disrupt the norm and prioritise employee satisfaction.TakeawaysMythbusting the business concept, “If you can measure it, you can manage it.”Understanding the correlation between happiness and productivity.Professor Jeremy Dawson's fascinating NHS hospital research.Breaking down the Employee Net Promotor Score questions.Debating in the office or work-from-home models.Pixar's global emotions framework.Chapters(00:11) From digital agency to workplace happiness with Matt Phelan.(03:48) The Happiness Index V1(05:54) Measure it and understand it better.(07:52) Changing the value prop.(09:23) Defining happiness as an understandable business metric.(13:26) Employee Net Promoter Score questions.(17:23) TED Talk - Super Chickens.(20:22) Solving different problems from client to client.(24:31) Are happier employees more productive?(27:01) Happy Hospitals vs. Unhappy Hospitals.(28:53) In The Office or Work From Home?(31:40) Building Relationships.(34:08) Quick Fire Questions with Matt Phelan.(39:18) Book recommendations.About Matt PhelanMatt Phelan is the co-founder of the Happiness Index, an organisation that aims to understand what makes people happy at work and how that relates to their work performance. He is a self-confessed proud geek and a supporter of decent people.Matt's career started when he founded a digital marketing agency called 4Ps Marketing when he was 25 years old. After driving this agency to immense success, Matt and his partners sold the company and opted to double down their investment to go again.The Happiness Index is a SAAS platform that helps organisations measure their key employee engagement and happiness drivers. Follow Matt PhelanWebsite: https://mattphelan.co.uk/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewphelan/ X: https://twitter.com/MatthewPhelan Happiness and Humans Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/7h6wCWnjsgOIZSR6h0DKbq Book RecommendationsFreedom To Be Happy: The Business Case For Happiness by Matt PhelanThe Happiness Index by Matt Phelan

Working With Humans by Matt Phelan and friends
What will the workforce and workplace of the future be like? With Chief People Officer Chloe Cameron

Working With Humans by Matt Phelan and friends

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 5, 2024 42:52


Chief People Officer Chloe Cameron and Matt Phelan discuss the workforce and workplace of the future. Matt asks Chloe the following questions What do you mean by workforce and workplace? What is our relationship with work? 4 generations in the workplace, how will that work? Discuss technology in the workplace and how it will impact work in the future? Is belonging going to be important in the future? How can we use AI to reflect the future society we want and who controls it? Is brilliant culture possible in any organisation? Are people good? is agile HR a real thing? Why do you think cognitive dissonance is such a big threat to culture? How can you raise expectations on what work can be? Can you rant about performance management please? About Chloe An unashamed book nerd who loves working in a digital world, Chloe came to her career in B2B technology via a history degree believing the Internet to be the Guttenberg Press of the 21st Century. Starting out in channel marketing for first Micorosoft and then Vodafone, Chloe left behind the corporate behemoths for the lure of the start up journey, joining a small cloud hosting start up called Wirehive in 2013 as employee number seven. Throughout her time at Wirehive Chloe rose to become Managing Partner overseeing three major business pivots creating the go to market and branding strategy behind the business transforming to become a multi-cloud reseller, then cloud consultancy and finally Microsoft cloud distributor. Alongside these strategic commercial initiatives Chloe took lead on the People function in 2018, building out the tools and programmes to scale and sustain a modern flat structure and values driven culture.Chloe joined Pax8 when they acquired Wirehive in January 2021. As VP of Operations she is responsible for ensuring the new Pax8 UK entity has the structure and systems in place to give our rapidly growing team the clarity and confidence to use their unique talents to best serve our partners at scale with speed and in a meaningful collaboration with their colleagues. Her current goal is nothing short of enabling people to do the best work of their lives here.

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The Weight of your Words - Ps Matt Phelan

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Play Episode Listen Later Nov 17, 2024 54:42


Welcome to the Nova Church Podcast. Join us for this episode as our Lead Pastor Matt Phelan brings a message called, 'The Weight of your Words.'________// LINKSNova Church https://novachurch.com/Watch Live https://novachurch.com/liveGive https://novachurch.com/giveJoin a Family https://novachurch.com/families________// CONNECT ON SOCIALSInstagram http://instagram.com/novachurchadlFacebook http://www.facebook.com/novachurchadlSupport the show

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Favour through the Fire - Ps Matt Phelan

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Play Episode Listen Later Nov 17, 2024 50:30


Welcome to the Nova Church Podcast. Join us for this episode as Pastor Matt Phelan brings a message called, 'Favour through the Fire.'________// LINKSNova Church https://novachurch.com/Watch Live https://novachurch.com/liveGive https://novachurch.com/giveJoin a Family https://novachurch.com/families________// CONNECT ON SOCIALSInstagram http://instagram.com/novachurchadlFacebook http://www.facebook.com/novachurchadlSupport the show

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The Test of Rest - Ps Matt Phelan

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Play Episode Listen Later Nov 17, 2024 45:42


Welcome to the Nova Church Podcast. Join us for this episode as Pastor Matt Phelan brings a message called, 'The Test of Rest.'________// LINKSNova Church https://novachurch.com/Watch Live https://novachurch.com/liveGive https://novachurch.com/giveJoin a Family https://novachurch.com/families________// CONNECT ON SOCIALSInstagram http://instagram.com/novachurchadlFacebook http://www.facebook.com/novachurchadlSupport the show

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Ditches in Dry Places - Ps Matt Phelan

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Play Episode Listen Later Nov 17, 2024 42:31


Welcome to the Nova Church Podcast. Join us for this episode as Pastor Matt Phelan brings a message called, 'Ditches in Dry Places.'________// LINKSNova Church https://novachurch.com/Watch Live https://novachurch.com/liveGive https://novachurch.com/giveJoin a Family https://novachurch.com/families________// CONNECT ON SOCIALSInstagram http://instagram.com/novachurchadlFacebook http://www.facebook.com/novachurchadlSupport the show

LPLCast
LPLCast Episode 177

LPLCast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 15, 2024 20:49


Week of 10/20/24 at the Library - Novelist | Hosts Dylan Posa and Barb Leitschuh go over upcoming events, talk about the Novelist recommendations, and for "Barb The Bookie" recommend several books.

The New P&L - Principles & Leadership in Business
The New P&L speaks with Matt Phelan, co-founder & CEO of The Happiness Index

The New P&L - Principles & Leadership in Business

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 12, 2024 44:43


This week on The New P&L - Principles & Leadership in Business we speak to Matt Phelan, co-founder and CEO of The Happiness Index and best-selling author. We discuss with Matt the role the pursuit of happiness plays in both our daily lives and more specifically in our professional careers. We chat about: Why happier employees are more engaged, productive, and collaborative employees The origin story of The Happiness Index An outline of how Happiness Index Platform works What defines the study of happiness in Matt's view Algorithmic bias in employee engagement measurement The complexities of measuring happiness Matt's own entrepreneurial journey LI: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewphelan Speaker inquires: https://mattphelan.co.uk/ Happiness Index: https://thehappinessindex.com/ To join The New P&L - Principles & Leadership movement and learn more about what we do, go to: www.principlesandleadership.com --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/principlesandleadership/support

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Adelaide North // Pray Like It Matters - Ps Matt Phelan

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Play Episode Listen Later Aug 21, 2024 47:12


Welcome to the Nova Church Podcast. Join us for this episode at Nova Church Adelaide North as Pastor Matt Phelan brings a message called, 'Pray Like It Matters'.________// LINKSNova Church https://novachurch.com/Watch Live https://novachurch.com/liveGive https://novachurch.com/giveJoin a Family https://novachurch.com/families________// CONNECT ON SOCIALSInstagram http://instagram.com/novachurchadlFacebook http://www.facebook.com/novachurchadlSupport the Show.

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The Favour that keeps on Flowing - Ps Matt Phelan

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Play Episode Listen Later Aug 21, 2024 49:17


Welcome to the Nova Church Podcast. Join us for this episode as Pastor Matt Phelan brings a message called, 'The Favour that keeps on Flowing.'________// LINKSNova Church https://novachurch.com/Watch Live https://novachurch.com/liveGive https://novachurch.com/giveJoin a Family https://novachurch.com/families________// CONNECT ON SOCIALSInstagram http://instagram.com/novachurchadlFacebook http://www.facebook.com/novachurchadlSupport the Show.

Beanstalk Global
Beanstalk Global /AHDB Talking Leaders Series: Matt Phelan CEO of The Happiness Index – “Why the happiness of farmers matters”.

Beanstalk Global

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 18, 2024 58:24


We know how important it is to be inspired by both big businesses and individuals, which is why we are excited to present Talking Leaders, a monthly initiative from the AHDB which will see a series of inspirational speakers share their life experiences and deliver impactful stories to the AgriLeader community.In our July broadcast we are delighted to be joined by Matt Phelan, Author & Co-Founder of The Happiness Index.In his day-to-day role, he's responsible for the strategic direction of the business. He is the founder of The Happiness and Humans Community, host of The Happiness and Humans Podcast and author of Freedom To Be Happy: The Business Case for Happiness.Matt recently completed a TEDx talk where he presented 12 million data points in happiness from 1 million human beings in 100+ countries in less than 15 minutes!

The Big Drink Rethink
Ep 21: Key Drivers of Happiness and the Influence of Alcohol

The Big Drink Rethink

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 6, 2024 50:02


Anna Donaghey sits down with Matt Phelan, co-founder of The Happiness Index, to explore what makes us happy and the profound effects of alcohol on personal well-being, safety and relationships.They challenge the notion of alcohol as a social adhesive, advocating instead for genuine friendships that thrive beyond the presence of a drink. Together, they examine the importance of psychological safety, not only in the workplace but in all aspects of life, and how alcohol can hinder our abilities to meet basic human needs.Don't miss this enlightening conversation that promises to reshape how you view alcohol, happiness, and the strength of your social connections. Tune in as Anna and Matt share their journeys of self-discovery and the ongoing benefits of living an alcohol-free life.Here are the highlights:05:09 Neuroscience and psychology influence happiness research widely.09:21 Essential human needs endure through the ages.11:40 Alcohol's impact on psychological safety and relationships.16:01 Self-worth influences drinking habits and recovery.19:36 Balanced view on alcohol and regrets.20:41 Regret, self-belief, and the pursuit of happiness.27:35 Alcohol is a poison and happiness from drinking is temporary.33:13 Learn from getting drunk after a long sobriety.33:57 Matt talks about his LinkedIn article re. his journey, happiness and sobriety pros & cons.41:06 Employee happiness and alcohol article feedback.43:56 LinkedIn connections show genuine interest and empathy.47:26 Friendship based on alcohol isn't genuine; explore new genuine friendships.About the host Anna:Anna is a certified Alcohol Mindset Coach, trained by Annie Grace of This Naked Mind. Drawing on her own journey out of alcohol addiction, she now helps others explore and control their drinking. With a career spanning 25 years as a Strategist in the Advertising industry, she combines her own lived experiences, with great insight into what makes us tick and what influences us to behave the way we do. Connect with Anna:Website: thebeliefscoach.comLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/annadonagheyInstagram: instagram.com/bigdrinkrethinkAbout Matt Phelan:Matt Phelan is a Co-Founder of the Happiness Index. In his day-to-day role, he's responsible for the strategic direction of the business.Matt is the founder of The Happiness and Humans Community, host of The Happiness and Humans Podcast and author of Freedom To Be Happy: The Business Case for Happiness & The Happiness Index: “Why Today's Employee Emotions Equal Tomorrow's Business Success". Matt recently completed a TEDx talk where he presented 12 million data points on happiness from 1 million human beings in 100+ countries in less than 15 minutes.Connect with Matt:Website: mattphelan.co.ukLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewphelan/Twitter: https://x.com/MatthewPhelanProduced by...

Life Beyond The Numbers
#175 Book Launch - LinkedIn Live Replay with Introduction

Life Beyond The Numbers

Play Episode Listen Later May 25, 2024 61:15


"Susan, I've taken enough time with these questions. Firstly, I just want to say, I'm thankful that I've met you. And two, this is an absolutely brilliant book and I love it." Matt Phelan In this episode I celebrate the launch of my new book Leading Beyond the Numbers: How accounting for emotions tips the balance at work. The book was launched during a LinkedIn Live on Monday May 13th with the help of Matt Phelan, who wrote the foreword to the book, and Dr. Susanne Evans. The book has already achieved bestseller status in three Amazon categories in the UK. We explore the key themes, some takeaways and personal reflections including the creative process, navigating self doubt and what I hope the legacy of the book will be. Please do purchase, read and review the book to help spread its impactful message.   Matt Phelan is a dad, founder, business adviser & keynote speaker as well as being a proud geek (his words!) and supporter of decent people. He believes that the future of tech is human and co-founded The Happiness Index to try and positively shape the future of work in a small but important way. Matt has written two books ‘Freedom to be Human: The business case for happiness' and most recently ‘The Happiness Index: Why today's emotions equal tomorrow's business success.' He also hosts the insightful ‘Happiness and Humans' podcast.   Dr Susanne Evans creates change, one story at a time. She is on a mission to change the way transformations are managed in organisations. She founded Feldspar Consulting in 2007 to help her clients lead change in a more human, effective way through her work as an organisation change consultant, trainer, coach and researcher. Susanne is a storyteller and is writing ‘ChangeStories: How to have powerful conversations, tell inspiring stories and build engagement for transformation' which is due to be published in November and is the host of the engaging ChangeStories podcast.   Resources Mentioned  Follow this link to purchase Leading Beyond the Numbers: How accounting for emotions tips the balance at work If you would like to read a preview of this book follow this link. If you would like to watch the LinkedIn Live click here

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Adelaide North // His Favour Will Follow Me - Ps Matt Phelan

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Play Episode Listen Later Apr 24, 2024 44:23


Welcome to the Nova Church Podcast. Join us for this episode at Nova Church Adelaide North as Pastor Matt Phelan brings a message called, 'His Favour Will Follow Me'.________// LINKSNova Church https://novachurch.com/Watch Live https://novachurch.com/liveGive https://novachurch.com/giveJoin a Family https://novachurch.com/families________// CONNECT ON SOCIALSInstagram http://instagram.com/novachurchadlFacebook http://www.facebook.com/novachurchadlSupport the show

First-time Founders
The Business Case For Happiness with Matt Phelan

First-time Founders

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 22, 2024 37:35


Matthew Phelan is Co-CEO of The Happiness Index, a SaaS platform that helps organisations measure their key employee engagement and happiness drivers. Matt is also a speaker and business adviser. Prior to the Happiness Index, he founded, scaled and sold a digital marketing agency called 4Ps Marketing (which serviced over 100 brands such as Selfridges, M&S, Nissan and L'Oréal).In this episode of the First-time Founders Podcast, Matt shares some of his key learnings from a decade helping organisations measure their key employee engagement and happiness drivers. He also talks about the Go To Market challenges he experienced selling the concept of ‘happiness' to different types of employers (not all of whom ‘get it')!Interested viewers can reach Matt (https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewphelan/) at matt@thehappinessindex.com and Rob (https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertliddiard/) at Rob@mission-group.co.uk (or to book some free time with Rob, visit https://www.eosworldwide.com/rob-liddiard).

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Adelaide North // Favour Is Coming - Ps Matt Phelan

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Play Episode Listen Later Apr 20, 2024 41:24


Welcome to the Nova Church Podcast. Join us for this episode as Pastor Matt Phelan brings a message called, 'Favour Is Coming'.________// LINKSNova Church https://novachurch.com/Watch Live https://novachurch.com/liveGive https://novachurch.com/giveJoin a Family https://novachurch.com/families________// CONNECT ON SOCIALSInstagram http://instagram.com/novachurchadlFacebook http://www.facebook.com/novachurchadlSupport the show

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What you were born again for - Ps Matt Phelan

novachurch - Sam Long

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 7, 2024 46:47


Welcome to the Nova Church Podcast. Join us for this episode as Pastor Matt Phelan brings a message called, 'What you were born again for'.________// LINKSNova Church https://novachurch.com/Watch Live https://novachurch.com/liveGive https://novachurch.com/giveJoin a Family https://novachurch.com/families________// CONNECT ON SOCIALSInstagram http://instagram.com/novachurchadlFacebook http://www.facebook.com/novachurchadlSupport the show

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The Dream and the Inbetween - Ps Matt Phelan

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Play Episode Listen Later Mar 7, 2024 53:59


Welcome to the Nova Church Podcast. Join us for this episode as our Lead PastorMatt Phelan brings a message called, 'The Dream and the Inbetween'.________// LINKSNova Church https://novachurch.com/Watch Live https://novachurch.com/liveGive https://novachurch.com/giveJoin a Family https://novachurch.com/families________// CONNECT ON SOCIALSInstagram http://instagram.com/novachurchadlFacebook http://www.facebook.com/novachurchadlSupport the show

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Honour His Presence - Ps Matt Phelan

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Play Episode Listen Later Mar 7, 2024 47:18


Welcome to the Nova Church Podcast. Join us for this episode as Pastor Matt Phelan brings a message called, 'Honour His Presence'.________// LINKSNova Church https://novachurch.com/Watch Live https://novachurch.com/liveGive https://novachurch.com/giveJoin a Family https://novachurch.com/families________// CONNECT ON SOCIALSInstagram http://instagram.com/novachurchadlFacebook http://www.facebook.com/novachurchadlSupport the show

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Overwhelming Victory - Ps Matt Phelan

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Play Episode Listen Later Mar 7, 2024 57:44


Welcome to the Nova Church Podcast. Join us for this episode as Pastor Matt Phelan brings a message called, 'Overwhelming Victory'.________// LINKSNova Church https://novachurch.com/Watch Live https://novachurch.com/liveGive https://novachurch.com/giveJoin a Family https://novachurch.com/families________// CONNECT ON SOCIALSInstagram http://instagram.com/novachurchadlFacebook http://www.facebook.com/novachurchadlSupport the show

Employer Content Marketing Pod
How can organisations create happier workplaces?

Employer Content Marketing Pod

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 14, 2024 38:50


Happiness is fundamental to the success of any organisation, but often overlooked. So how can employers embrace this superpower? In Episode 106, I chat with Matt Phelan about the tools and elements that organisations can embrace to help their employees thrive. Matt is co-founder of The Happiness Index, author, business advisor and keynote speaker, so knows a thing or two when it comes to driving successful organisations! Subscribe to get more episode drops, news and events https://www.theengagingemployer.com --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/employercontentmarketing/message

Life Beyond The Numbers
#157 Being Human (from the archives + new intro)

Life Beyond The Numbers

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 6, 2024 45:49


"Happiness comes from a wide variety of different sources. And actually happiness is not the one single thing that we should pursue because part of being human is the whole world of emotion and feelings. And all of them are valid." Gavin Andrews   In this episode, we explore the concept of mind-body connection and its implication for workplaces. The excerpts  highlight the importance of understanding and embracing emotions and feelings as a part of human intelligence rather than suppressing it. Guests share insights on navigating emotional data, enhancing emotional intelligence at a large scale in organisations, the power of belonging, importance of feelings, and the intersection of emotions and rationality. The conversation also emphasises the need for leaders to understand employee emotions, challenge unconscious biases, and foster a greater sense of belonging in the team. The episode offers a different perspective than traditional ways of thinking, urging listeners to tune in to embodied consciousness and bring their emotional selves to work for a more fulfilling and meaningful work-life.  7:30 Steve Haines on how minds and body are connected and the importance of feeling safe including with our interactions with others 13:00 Gavin Andrews on accessing the wisdom of the heart and state of coherence - an optimal state for heart and brain to be in 17:55 Rebecca Cheetham on mind-body disconnection and squishing emotions 18:50 Lisa Milnor on bringing awareness to the body 25:10 Gavin Andrews on bringing our emotional self to work 26:55 Steve Haines on how to make sense of sensations in our body 28:50 Matt Phelan on emotional data in the workplace and a sense of belonging 35:55 Jenny Ashmore on the power of a sense of belonging for teams   Resources Mentioned: My forthcoming book: Leading Beyond the Numbers: How Accounting for Emotions Tips the Balance at Work Alison Jones & Practical Inspiration Publishing  Coaches Rising Episode 10, Life Beyond the Numbers, This Feelings Business with Steve Haines Episode 38, Life Beyond the Numbers, Wisdom and Technology with Gavin Andrews Episode 48, Life Beyond the Numbers, Baby Steps with Rebecca Cheetham Episode 49, Life Beyond the Numbers, A Sense of Belonging with Jenny Ashmore Episode 59, Life Beyond the Numbers, Weird & Wonderful with Lisa Milnor Episode 67, Life Beyond the Numbers, Better Understanding with Matt Phelan

Down To Business
The Happiness Index with Matt Phelan

Down To Business

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 9, 2023 9:31


Bobby has Matt Phelan in the studio to talk about his book 'The Happiness Index Why Today's Employee Emotions Equal Tomorrow's Business Success' and what it can do for a business.

Working With Humans by Matt Phelan and friends
The Happiness Index - Book Q&A with Kashi Chellen & Matt Phelan

Working With Humans by Matt Phelan and friends

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 6, 2023 29:21


In this episode we see Kashi takeover once again, hosting a Q&A session on the release of 'The Happiness Index - Why Todays Emotions Equal Tomorrows Business Success'. A live Q&A with audience participation, you'll find out how this book came to be and why it's such a useful tool.

The Chord
What drives Engagement and Happiness at Work?

The Chord

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 29, 2023 47:32


In this episode of The Chord, we converse with Matt Phelan, Co-Founder of The Happiness Index, delving into the profound topic of ‘What Drives Engagement and Happiness at Work?' As an entrepreneur, author, and happiness expert, Matt Phelan shares his journey, starting from his early years to becoming a pivotal figure in understanding workplace happiness. […]

Inside The Senior Alliance
Inside The Senior Alliance: Alzheimer's and Dementia Advocacy with Matt Phelan (Ep 33)

Inside The Senior Alliance

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 17, 2023


They talk about the work that the Alzheimers Association of Michigan does, the differences between Alzheimer's and Dementia The post Inside The Senior Alliance: Alzheimer's and Dementia Advocacy with Matt Phelan (Ep 33) appeared first on The Senior Alliance.

Inside The Senior Alliance
Inside The Senior Alliance: Alzheimer's and Dementia Advocacy with Matt Phelan (Ep 1.33)

Inside The Senior Alliance

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 17, 2023 9:34


In this episode, Emma Case, Planning and Advocacy Specialist at The Senior Alliance talks to Matt Phelan, Public Policy and Advocacy Manager at the Alzheimers Association of Michigan. They talk about the work that the Alzheimers Association of Michigan does, ...Read More The post Inside The Senior Alliance: Alzheimer's and Dementia Advocacy with Matt Phelan (Ep 1.33) appeared first on The Senior Alliance.

So Dramatic!
279 - POLICE Called After FWAW Contestant Vanishes, the Truth About I'm a Celeb's Kerri-Anne and Domenica's Fight and MAFS' Lyndall Slams Harrison!

So Dramatic!

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 17, 2023 43:07


Survivor's Shonee Fairfax soft launches her new man! MAFS' Duncan James and Evelyn Ellis go public with their relationship! Love Triangle's Madi Clarke and Matt Phelan split! Find out why... MAFS' Harrison Boon's mum Noni shares another vile post! The truth about Ella Ding and Domenica Calarco's new podcast deal! More details about Ella's new boyfriend Guy including how they met! Explosive claims MAFS' Josh White is not the nice guy we all saw on TV! Everything we know about Harrison's new girlfriend Gina! POLICE called after one FWAW contestant mysteriously vanishes from the farm without a trace! I'm a Celebrity's Kerri-Anne Kennerley in 'trauma therapy' after being "bullied" by Domenica Calarco and what REALLY happened during their explosive fight that never made it to air! MAFS' Harrison's many fake social media accounts exposed as he bullies and trolls everyone! Lyndall Grace slams Harrison in the most iconic way! PLUS LOTS MORE! Listen to the bonus Patreon episode 'My Thoughts on Domenica and KAK's Explosive I'm a Celebrity Showdown!' here! Want more of the latest gossip? So Dramatic! has a BRAND NEW podcast - 'So Dramatic! DAILY!' Visit the SO DRAMATIC! ONLINE website and sign up for our newsletter! Follow So Dramatic! on INSTAGRAM, FACEBOOK, TIK TOK, and join the PRIVATE FACEBOOK GROUP! Get extra hot tea on PATREON! Got a hot tip, request, question, or receipts? Contact: tips@sodramaticmedia.com Got a media enquiry? Contact: hello@sodramaticmedia.com For partnerships and advertising enquiries please contact: Megan@sodramaticmedia.com This is an independent podcast by entertainment journalist Megan Pustetto, who is dedicated to bringing you the hottest tea to your ears each week! The best way you can support So Dramatic! is by subscribing, leaving a (gushing!) review, (five star!) rating and super spreading the word on social media with your followers (or haters!) - you will be doing God's work!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Dave and Dharm DeMystify
EPISODE 73: THE HAPPINESS INDEX WITH MATT PHELAN

Dave and Dharm DeMystify

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 20, 2023 27:23


Founder, CEO and Author Matt Phelan chats to us about the Happiness Index, a neuroscience-based platform offering products, insights and tools to shine a light on the cultural health of an organisation.

So Dramatic!
240 - Love Triangle's Matt Phelan's SECRET GIRLFRIEND Who He CHEATED On With Co-Star Madi Tells-All!

So Dramatic!

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 28, 2022 36:29


Turns out Love Triangle 2022's Matt Phelan had a SECRET GIRLFRIEND whilst filming the show. Not only that but his now EX has revealed he CHEATED on her with his co-star Madi Clarke who he is now dating... She's here to tell ALL! PLUS LOTS MORE! Listen to the bonus Patreon episode 'How Set-Up Paparazzi Photos REALLY Work and Did Laura Byrne and Matty J Call the Paps To Their Wedding?' here! Want more of the latest gossip? So Dramatic! has a BRAND NEW podcast - 'So Dramatic! DAILY!' Visit the SO DRAMATIC! ONLINE website and sign up for our newsletter! Follow So Dramatic! on INSTAGRAM, FACEBOOK, TIK TOK, and join the PRIVATE FACEBOOK GROUP! Get extra hot tea on PATREON! Got a hot tip, request, question, or receipts? Contact: tips@sodramaticmedia.com Got a media enquiry? Contact: hello@sodramaticmedia.com For partnerships and advertising enquiries please contact: Megan@sodramaticmedia.com This is an independent podcast by entertainment journalist Megan Pustetto, who is dedicated to bringing you the hottest tea to your ears each week! The best way you can support So Dramatic! is by subscribing, leaving a (gushing!) review, (five star!) rating and super spreading the word on social media with your followers (or haters!) - you will be doing God's work!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

How to Succeed Podcast
How to Succeed at Employee Engagement

How to Succeed Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 19, 2022 24:17


Matt Phelan, Founder of the Happiness Index, talks about productive workforces. In order to create an impactful and successful business, employees need to have confidence and the right attitude. This means treating people with respect and understanding, and not just seeing them as a means to an end. When employees are happy and engaged at work, they are more productive and the company thrives. Employee engagement is key to the success of any organization. Listen to the podcast to learn the secret to getting your team on board and engaged in their work! Timestamps: 0:00:02 How to Succeed at Employee Engagement  0:02:50 The Power of Employee Engagement in Business Success 0:03:57 The Business Case for Happiness: Why the Happiness of Your Employees Matters So Much 0:05:50 The Impact of Employee Engagement on Business Success 0:07:59 The Relationship Between Engagement and Happiness in the Workplace 0:09:36 The Benefits of Psychological Safety in the Workplace 0:13:06 The Benefits of a Positive Work Environment 0:15:17 The Benefits of the Happiness Index in the Workplace 0:17:00 The Power of Happiness in the Workplace 0:18:43 How a Simple Motto Helped One Entrepreneur Survive the Pandemic 0:20:36 The Power of Positivity: How to Succeed in Employee Engagement Key Takeaways  Using the information to make better choices will result in happier employees, less turnover, and higher sales. Having great relationships at work is the foundation for success. ========================================= SUBSCRIBE: https://podfollow.com/howtosucceed Don't forget to subscribe and leave us a comment! Get your TICKET to join our 2023 summit: https://events.sandler.com/summit2023  

Selling the Sandler Way Podcast
How to Succeed at Employee Engagement

Selling the Sandler Way Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 19, 2022 24:17


Matt Phelan, Founder of the Happiness Index, talks about productive workforces. In order to create an impactful and successful business, employees need to have confidence and the right attitude. This means treating people with respect and understanding, and not just seeing them as a means to an end. When employees are happy and engaged at work, they are more productive and the company thrives. Employee engagement is key to the success of any organization. Listen to the podcast to learn the secret to getting your team on board and engaged in their work! Timestamps: 0:00:02 How to Succeed at Employee Engagement  0:02:50 The Power of Employee Engagement in Business Success 0:03:57 The Business Case for Happiness: Why the Happiness of Your Employees Matters So Much 0:05:50 The Impact of Employee Engagement on Business Success 0:07:59 The Relationship Between Engagement and Happiness in the Workplace 0:09:36 The Benefits of Psychological Safety in the Workplace 0:13:06 The Benefits of a Positive Work Environment 0:15:17 The Benefits of the Happiness Index in the Workplace 0:17:00 The Power of Happiness in the Workplace 0:18:43 How a Simple Motto Helped One Entrepreneur Survive the Pandemic 0:20:36 The Power of Positivity: How to Succeed in Employee Engagement Key Takeaways  Using the information to make better choices will result in happier employees, less turnover, and higher sales. Having great relationships at work is the foundation for success. ========================================= SUBSCRIBE: https://podfollow.com/howtosucceed Don't forget to subscribe and leave us a comment! Get your TICKET to join our 2023 summit: https://events.sandler.com/summit2023  

ACTivation Nation
How to Succeed at Employee Engagement

ACTivation Nation

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 19, 2022 24:17


Matt Phelan, Founder of the Happiness Index, talks about productive workforces. In order to create an impactful and successful business, employees need to have confidence and the right attitude. This means treating people with respect and understanding, and not just seeing them as a means to an end. When employees are happy and engaged at work, they are more productive and the company thrives. Employee engagement is key to the success of any organization. Listen to the podcast to learn the secret to getting your team on board and engaged in their work! Timestamps: 0:00:02 How to Succeed at Employee Engagement  0:02:50 The Power of Employee Engagement in Business Success 0:03:57 The Business Case for Happiness: Why the Happiness of Your Employees Matters So Much 0:05:50 The Impact of Employee Engagement on Business Success 0:07:59 The Relationship Between Engagement and Happiness in the Workplace 0:09:36 The Benefits of Psychological Safety in the Workplace 0:13:06 The Benefits of a Positive Work Environment 0:15:17 The Benefits of the Happiness Index in the Workplace 0:17:00 The Power of Happiness in the Workplace 0:18:43 How a Simple Motto Helped One Entrepreneur Survive the Pandemic 0:20:36 The Power of Positivity: How to Succeed in Employee Engagement Key Takeaways  Using the information to make better choices will result in happier employees, less turnover, and higher sales. Having great relationships at work is the foundation for success. ========================================= SUBSCRIBE: https://podfollow.com/howtosucceed Don't forget to subscribe and leave us a comment! Get your TICKET to join our 2023 summit: https://events.sandler.com/summit2023  

Playful Humans - People Who Play for a Living
Matt Phelan - The Happiness Index

Playful Humans - People Who Play for a Living

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 13, 2022 40:13


Can happiness boost employee and organizational performance? Does money make you happy? What drives loyal engaged employees? Matt Phelan is Co-Founder The Happiness Index, author Freedom To Be Happy and a former TEDx Speaker. He is happiest when spending time with loved ones, particularly anything that is outdoors in nature. The Happiness Index offers the products, insights and tools to shine a light on your organizaiton's cultural health and empower management to drive thriving cultures. He also hosts the Happiness & Humans podcast. Find Matt, his book, company, and podcast at: https://thehappinessindex.com/Subscribe to the Playful Humans podcast in your favorite podcast app: https://podfollow.com/playfulhumans/ or follow us on YouTube at: https://youtube.com/playfulhumans/feed?sub_confirmation=1 Support the show

We Not Me
Happiness in teams

We Not Me

Play Episode Listen Later Jun 16, 2022 34:57


If you look after your employees, your customers will be happier, and you'll make more money. That's the hypothesis Matt Phelan took, inspired by Richard Branson. But with that hypothesis in place, where's the data to back it up?Before founding the Happiness Index, Matt began working with animals, then studied marketing, starting his own digital marketing agency just before the 2008 financial crash. As someone used to tracking the efficacy of digital campaigns, he began to explore how the assumption that happier employees meant more money could be proven.Takeaways from Pia and Dan Relationships are the primary driver of happiness. Humans have set points – almost predetermined levels of happiness we return to, after a peak or a trough. Bring a happy person into an unhappy team, and that person's happiness will dip. To build better relationships, we need to express our emotions. Links The Happiness Index How William Kahn revolutionized employee engagement at work Freedom to be Happy: The Business Case for Happiness – Matt's book Leave us a voice message

Helping organisations thrive with Julian Roberts
#95 Matt Phelan | How to have happy and engaged employees through neuroscience

Helping organisations thrive with Julian Roberts

Play Episode Listen Later May 16, 2022 39:02


Is there a correlation between employee happiness and customer happiness? Can emotions be translated into data to show the relationship between engagement in the workplace and the top 4 happiness drivers?   The Happiness Index co-founder Matt Phelan discusses how to analyse data on employee happiness, engagement and productivity from a neuroscience perspective, coaching his clients to use data to make effective decisions for their businesses.    Matt believes people are the future of technology, and explains what it takes for an organisation to thrive. He correlates a thriving business with a high happiness score on the Index, along with a high engagement score. Matt shows how a low happiness score even with high engagement does not lead to a culture of thriving; and he brings neuroscience into the workplace to make sense of the data.   The Happiness Index data shows the current "Great Resignation" in the UK to be emotionally driven, not rationally driven. Psychological safety; freedom to take opportunities; feelings of acknowledgement; and positive relationships are shown to be the top four happiness drivers in the workplace. Matt states that although the order of importance of some of these happiness drivers differs culturally -  across the world the number one factor affecting employee happiness is having positive relationships in the workplace.    Matt is the author of Freedom to be Happy.   Watch the full episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et14son4N5M   Connect with Matt: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewphelan/ Website: http://www.thehappinessindex.com/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/Matthewphelan Email: matt@thehappinessindex.com     Helping SME's build resilient, high performing teams and businesses, quickly, so they can innovate, deliver, and thrive.   The SME's I work with typically struggle/suffer/ with one or more of these challenges: - no clear strategy - dysfunctional team dynamics - not knowing their vision or mission - feeling stuck and procrastinating - business not growing - leadership challenges   If you want support in helping your organisation thrive, do get in contact with me: https://www.julianrobertsconsulting.com  

Rock n Roll Chicago Podcast
Ep 109 Whiskey & Harmony

Rock n Roll Chicago Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later May 10, 2022 52:00


Whiskey & Harmony was established in 2013. The band was started by husband and wife Sarah Hauge and Craig Hauge they added two new members this year, Matt Phelan and Aaron Allan! Music ranging from Miranda Lambert, Janis Joplin, Frankie Valley, Elvis, Pink, Tom Petty, Chris Stapleton, Amy Winehouse, Rolling Stones, Beatles, Johnny Cash, Vance Joy, Carrie Underwood, and many more top 40 songs.

Fully Booked by Kirkus Reviews

Writer and humorist Jill Gutowitz joins us to discuss Girls Can Kiss Now (Atria, March 8), “a witty essay collection about pop culture and queerness” (Kirkus). Then our editors join with their reading recommendations for the week, with books by Kate Folk and Matt Phelan.

What’d You Say?
46: Marshmallows Grow from the Ground [feat. Matt Phelan]

What’d You Say?

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 9, 2022 145:47


Matty P returns to discuss what women talk about, where marshmallows grow, daddy issues, and Matt's new job.

What’d You Say?
31: Wyoming Isn't a State [feat. Matt Phelan]

What’d You Say?

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 17, 2021 71:03


We welcome Matt Phelan as the first in-studio guest. Matt is the Operations Manager at Bradley Brew Project. We talk about Matt's obsession with Ramen, chasing sheep, and why people are afraid to fail.

The Leadership Hacker Podcast
The Business Case For Happiness with Matt Phelan

The Leadership Hacker Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 11, 2021 45:09


Matt Phelan is an entrepreneur, the Co-Founder and CEO of The Happiness Index. He's also the author of Freedom To Be Happy: The Business Case for Happiness. In the superb episode you can learn from Matt:   How to turn emotions like happiness into business metrics. What the business case for happiness is. The role neuroscience plays in happiness. Why happy people are also the most productive.   Join our Tribe at https://leadership-hacker.com Music: " Upbeat Party " by Scott Holmes courtesy of the Free Music Archive FMA Transcript: Thanks to Jermaine Pinto at JRP Transcribing for being our Partner. Contact Jermaine via LinkedIn or via his site JRP Transcribing Services Find out more about Matt below: Matt on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewphelan/ Happiness Index Website: https://thehappinessindex.com Matt on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Matthewphelan Join the humans and happiness community: https://thehappinessindex.com/join-happiness-community/     Full Transcript Below     Steve Rush: Some call me Steve, dad, husband or friend. Others might call me boss, coach or mentor. Today you can call me The Leadership Hacker.   Thanks for listening in. I really appreciate it. My job as the leadership hacker is to hack into the minds, experiences, habits and learning of great leaders, C-Suite executives, authors and development experts so that I can assist you developing your understanding and awareness of leadership. I am Steve Rush and I am your host today. I am the author of Leadership Cake. I am a transformation consultant and leadership coach. I cannot wait to start sharing all things leadership with you   On the show today, we have Matt Phelan. He's the Co-Founder and CEO of The Happiness Index. And he's the author of Freedom To Be Happy: The Business Case for Happiness. Before we get a chance to speak with Matt, it's The Leadership Hacker News.   The Leadership Hacker News   Steve Rush: On today's show, we explore the notion of, “is crisis caused by communication?” And the reason we're focusing on this today is there are a number of different things happening globally, where because of communication; situations have arisen that might not have existed in the first place. Here's a few examples. There was a chip shortage around the world. Now, not a potato crisp or a bag of chips if you're in the UK, but the electronic chip come under great shortage due to supply and demand issues. And the reason that's happened is due to supply and demand due to supply chains, and of course, the COVID pandemic has massively impacted on it. But because of the hype that's been caused by the communication, It has caused manufacturers to overbuy, also causing big motor engineering companies and electronic manufacturers to grab hold of every supply they can. Therefore, rocketing price and reducing the market flow that would ordinarily be there.   Early in the pandemic we saw the same thing happen with supermarkets, where we were told that there would be a shortage of supply. Of course, it wasn't. Yet many people still bought toilet rolls to fill spare rooms and pasta that would last a year. Most recently in the UK, we have a driver shortage for haulage firms and lorry drivers. Taking our fuel and our goods and services around the country. And as such, the media said there might be a fuel shortage. And guess what? You're right. Panic buying at the pumps, people filling up cans and cans of petrol, diesel and fuel. Supermarkets going bare, why? Because the media is driving something that perhaps wouldn't be there had we just carry on our day-to-day life and routines.   So, what's the leadership hack? Well, if we think about how people respond to communication, if we have a perceived problem or a perceived threat that may not be true, and communicate it early, we could reinforce behaviors that could actually make that problem become a reality much sooner. And it may be the problem that wouldn't have arrived. Had we rethought our communication strategy and approach. So, the leadership lesson here is, if we think there may be a problem, be sure that there is a problem before you communicate it. Have foundations, have evidence because unintentional communication can send people down a rabbit hole and lead to challenge and adversity. Thank you for those have raised this through our social media platforms with us this week, so that we could bring it to the attention of our listeners. If you also have some stories or insights that you want us to hear, let's get in touch. In the meantime, let's get on with the show. Start of Podcast   Steve Rush: Matt Phelan is the Co-Founder and CEO of The Happiness Index. He's also the author of Freedom To Be Happy: The Business Case for Happiness, Matt, welcome to The Leadership Hacker Podcast.   Matt Phelan: Thanks for inviting me on.   Steve Rush: Delighted you're here too. So, tell us, how did you end up running and leading The Happiness Index and what is it?   Matt Phelan: So as with most of these good stories, complete accident, so when I was twenty-five, I started a marketing agency and we used to have a saying that employees come first, not the customer. So, we were the opposite. We didn't believe the customer came first. And over a ten-year period, we delivered something like thirty-three quarters of growth. I'm a data geek, and I started to wonder whether that was true, because it sounds good, doesn't it? Your customers will be happy and the business will grow. But as a geek, I've got a very inquisitive mind that I wanted to find out if it was true. So, we built a piece of code to correlate at the beginning. Just to understand the correlation. Is there a correlation between employee happiness and customer happiness? And then our customers of our marketing agency started asking for the code. And we said, you can't have it. It's a rubbish, rubbish piece of code. We'd be ashamed to show at twenty-one, but like most entrepreneurs we saw more and more phone calls came in. So eventually we realized that there was probably a business here called The Happiness Index. And it went from being an internal tool to being a business entity in its own rights.   Steve Rush: So as an organization, how might I use it?   Matt Phelan: So, you would use it, I would say to start off with, to visualize your culture, to figure out where you are. And once you know where you are, you can start to plot where you want to go. So, we say, it's an upgrade on employee engagement. It does measure employee engagement, but also includes employee happiness, which we think is subtly and importantly different.   Steve Rush: So, how would you describe happiness, Matt? Somebody asked you over a beer, what is happiness? How do you response?   Matt Phelan: Yeah, there's technical scientific answer, isn't there? I love your question, Steve. And this is why I'm sort of filling to try and answer, which is, I would say, it's your happiness of how you experience it is just a window into everything else. Like your wellbeing, how you are in life? I see it as a data point. I know that's a very geeky way of seeing happiness, but I think your own happiness can be a way of understanding how the rest of your life is. That could be in your personal life. That could be in your career. That could be in your relationship.   Steve Rush: And your hesitance was because you were going down that kind of geeky data space, right?   Matt Phelan: Yeah.   Steve Rush: Tell us a bit about what's the flip side of that kind of emotional response then? Matt Phelan: Yeah, so the reason I hesitated is because we collect this information in over a hundred countries. So, I'm in the spreadsheets every day, but what I can share with you is like, everyone's different, right? So, my happiness is different to your happiness and so on and so on. But there are huge trends that we have that are similar and also different. But if I give you the top four which is, we define happiness as what the heart needs. So, to give the analogy, if you were thinking of a car, we say engagement is the sat nav. So, it's like the direction. So, it's the clear direction where you're going, what the route is going to be. Whereas happiness is that energy that you need to get there. I used to say, it's the petrol in the car, but it's, I think it's electric vehicle week Steve.   Steve Rush: It is indeed, yeah.   Matt Phelan: I have moved to electric. So, I'm trying to find a new, so let's say it's the electric in the car. The sat nav is the engagement and the happiness is the electric, is that energy, but the top four are psychological safety, positive relationships, freedom to take opportunities and feelings of acknowledgement.   Steve Rush: And are they consistent in all of the teams that you work with and the organizations you work with? Do you see that those manifest themselves in positive score?   Matt Phelan: So, relationships is always number one. But what is number two, changes per person, per company, per country or region?   Steve Rush: Interesting, yeah.   Matt Phelan: I know you have a lot of North American listeners, Steve. I pulled out an example from the data for you. So, European companies often lumped together. The United States of America and Canada, which we shouldn't for many reasons, but in our head, we see this kind of like geographical mass. If you take all the American data and all the Canada data. In America that the second most important thing, and I'm going to add engagement now and happiness together. The second most important thing in America is actually an engagement metric, which is a clear direction. In Canada, it's acknowledgement. So, you could look from over from Europe, you could look over the pond and think they're very similar in terms of their culture and so on and so on, but there's a clear difference every time we run that data, I've got some views and why I think that is and feel free to jump in Steve and why you think that might be, but that's what we see in the data, very clear different. So, if you're an HR Director that indicates that you need a different strategy for the different locations.   Steve Rush: I think it's probably a few things that kick around there, isn't there? You have some cultural differences between Canada and the rest of the U.S.   Matt Phelan: Yeah.   Steve Rush: Which could present itself in the results you get. But also, I would imagine that even within Inter-country and inter-regions, there are nuances that are also different, right?   Matt Phelan: Yeah, absolutely. And I don't want to get political, but I think in America, in the United States of America, your employment is very much tied to also things like your healthcare.   Steve Rush: Of course, yeah.   Matt Phelan: If you think about that, if you think about, I'm in London, if the happiness index failed and I lost my job and my family would still retain their health care. So, acknowledgement can be higher. It's a bit like the Maslow's hierarchy of needs. But if you know that if you were to lose your job and you would lose your health care. Clear clarity on what your role is, is hyper important, Isn't it?   Steve Rush: Absolutely.   Matt Phelan: So, you think it would be the same for everyone, but we're human beings and those underlining elements change how we are in the workforce.   Steve Rush: That's really fascinating. And I guess also organizations make assumptions about what makes people happy, right?   Matt Phelan: Yes, every single day. And we all do it consciously and subconsciously.   Steve Rush: So, what would be some of those assumptions and how right or wrong are they?   Matt Phelan: So, let me run a live case study for you in a real life. There European pan wide retailer, they were focused. The HR team said to us when they briefed us before they did their cultural assessment, that the number one priority is staff retention. Which is a normal thing to hear.   Steve Rush: Yep.   Matt Phelan: When we ran their first cultural assessment. And we cross-reference that with their financial performance data, we found that the managers of the stores that had the highest performing stores financially had been in the business the shortest amount of time.   Steve Rush: Fascinating, yeah.   Matt Phelan: So, the reason that is an important assumption is, the assumption is, retain staff things will be better if we retain our staff. What they found is, the newer managers had happier teams and were performing financially better. So, this is where it's important to not make an assumption again, the second assumption. So, the first assumption was staff retention was the most important thing. The second assumption, and then the next bit is where you can easily lump into assumptions again, which is, for example, you could think, okay, after five years, the employees get bored or lazy, or you could make an assumption actually after five years, we've we just left people alone and actually they need training. So maybe they need to call Steve Rush and think about how they can develop people over the entire employee experience. So that's where data just gets rid of the assumptions, because you could make so many assumptions on those two things, we've discussed there Steve.   Steve Rush: I'd love to get into that whole notion of how you take all of these data points and map that into something that is typically been described as something pink and fluffy. Happiness, it's an emotion, right? So, how do you shift from taking an emotion and turning into a business metric?   Matt Phelan: Yeah, it's really hard for me to answer that because I'm so converted the other way, and I deal with this every day, but I'm going to go out and try and take a step back. So, I think the first stumbling block and the first change in people's mind is a business term called, if you can measure it, you can manage it.   Steve Rush: You hear it a lot, don't you?   Matt Phelan: You hear it a lot. I believe that to be wildly untrue. And what I would change it for is, and I say this as a measurement company, if you can measure it, you can better understand it, which is a subtle change, right, Steve. But I think we've gone down this road where we almost view people as robots. And we think, oh, if we can measure it, we can manage it. But I think, and this is quite a big concept to put out there. But I think the entire idea of management is flawed.   Steve Rush: It's Ironically made up too. We created management in the last hundred years, it didn't happen before that.   Matt Phelan: Exactly, and it goes back, this is sort of taylorism and the factory floor stuff, isn't it?   Steve Rush: Right.   Matt Phelan: So, I think trying to see data as better understand, lead you to seeing data is helping you make better decisions. If we go back to your original question, how is this helping? And this is the second change that I would like to leave people. So, the first is not to use data to manage, but to better understand. The second one is, if we take a piece of data like revenue, generally, if revenue goes up, it's good, and if it goes down, it's bad. Emotions are supposed to fluctuate. It's normal for you to feel happier at one stage in the day and feel unhappy at the other, that's normal, right? So, trying to artificially get people to be happy all the time is actually not a good strategy. So, the second thing I want to leave your listeners with is to see emotional data, more like a weather report.   Steve Rush: Yeah, and can you forecast it?   Matt Phelan: You can certainly start to, we say, today's emotions are an indicator of tomorrow's performance, and that's why we call it the happiness index, right? So, the reason I think this is useful is that if you're a board and you're looking at this data is giving you an indicator of what your future performance may look like. There are subtle shifts, but I think once you start to do that, you start to realize that actually these are important business metrics. They're not the only business metric. They all have to work together. Just like you have revenue in your P&L. We now have companies as big as half a million employees that are measuring happiness in their board report.   Steve Rush: Yeah.   Matt Phelan: Times are changing, but it takes time to take people on that journey from the sort of taylorism that you say, like we've made up in the last a hundred years through to seeing happiness is a really important business metric.   Steve Rush: I totally agree, and productivity is a sidekick for happiness. Happy people are more productive than less happy people. You don't need data to see that, you can see that around you in any store, in any factory, in any office location, happy people are more productive.   Matt Phelan: Yeah, and one of the things that we plot. We're doing this on the modern version of radio. So, I'm going to try and draw it in your head for you. Happiness without engagement is unfocused. So, we see this in a lot of charities where they have happy staff, but not engaged.   Steve Rush: Yeah   Matt Phelan: But we also see the flip, which is highly engaged and unhappy, which is, you get this in a lot of organizations where they think they have a thriving culture when really what they have is a competitive culture which can show up some good metrics. But under the surface, lots of nasty little things are happening. It's going to eventually hold back the growth. So yeah, if you imagine it as a full box quadrant, we want the top right box to be where people are happy and engage is what we're trying to work towards.   Steve Rush: And you also, I know from the time that we've met before, you apply a lot of neurosciences, so this isn't just about data, we're talking about data and science and the people skills coming to this. So, what role does neuroscience play when we look at happiness?   Matt Phelan: Neuroscience is massive for us because if we think again, we've sort of looked at the history or business and taylorism, and so on and so on. If we look at the history of psychology, a lot of psychology is based on observation. Sorry if people eating their breakfast, but also dead brains. That's where we got a lot of our understanding of the body and how we work, observing people in the workplace and also dissecting their bodies, which, sorry, if you are eating a breakfast that I've really offended you.   Steve Rush: Or any of the meal at any of the time, of course, being a globally diverse podcast.   Matt Phelan: Really good point, isn't it? You should be allowed to be upset while eating your dinner as well. But I think what neuroscience just from a technical perspective is, it allows us to go under the hood and see what's happening in a body in real time. So that a huge leap forward, but before everyone turns off the podcast. The reason I love it so much, let's say you're, let's keep with a car, let's say you in a car later, there's a road rage incident, what neuroscience does is it helps you question why you acted in that way? Like, why did that person make me feel angry? Or when I had my meeting with my boss, why did I feel unsafe? Neuroscience is really just helping us understand the emotions. We divide it into four, how you instinctively feel, how you emotionally feel, how you actually feel and how you feel in a reflective basis. Which we think is really important. Businesses tend to be bad, understanding emotions and the instinctive behavior and focus on rational and reflective. But I think it goes back to that. If you can measure it, you can manage it quiet. It's easier to measure and manage rational and reflective beings, but guess what, Steve, there's no human beings out there that are holy. We're all emotional and we're all instinctive. And personally, that's what I think makes us beautiful.   Steve Rush: Well, the emotion reaction comes first anyway from a neuroscience perspective, we'll have an emotional reaction, which we either then can rationalize or not rationalize. And that's where we hit that kind of fight, flight, freeze or appease moment.   Matt Phelan: Yeah, and that's why we say from a neuroscience perspective, there's no such thing as too emotional. So, if your boss made you angry, your emotional responses is how that makes you feel. Anger is just something you're feeling. What you do with that anger is like the good or the bad thing. Because if you feel angry at your boss and then you punch them in the face, that's illegal, right? In most countries. If there is country where it's not, please tell me, Steve, that's bad behavior, right? Punching your boss in the face is bad behavior, but it doesn't change the fact that you instinctively and emotionally felt like that. And that's why we see emotions like happiness as a data point. Because if your boss makes you feel unsafe, it's important to step back and think, why does my boss make me feel unsafe? Maybe this is time to get out of here or speak to someone else or change role. But from a neuroscience perspective, telling someone they're too emotional is like telling a parent that they love their children too much.   Steve Rush: That a great analogy. Yeah, love it. So, here's the thing. Can you ever be Too happy?   Matt Phelan: Yes, the answer Steve.   Steve Rush: Oh Okay!   Matt Phelan: To be happy all the time is a mental health issue as severe, as being unhappy all the time, which people are often shocked when they hear that. But our emotions are supposed to fluctuate and the fluctuation is what is important. This is kind of why I wrote my book. Self-help books, good to a certain degree, right? But if you have a chemical imbalance, which means you're unhappy all the time. You need to go and get help to get out of that. And it would be the same if you were happy all the time, that would be a condition there that you would need help with. We took a lot at the moment about incongruous, did I said it right?   Steve Rush: Yeah, yeah, you nailed it.   Matt Phelan: Incongruous emotion. So, and incongruous emotion could be your mother dies, but you feel happy. So, you feel happy because she was in pain for five years. And you feel that she has had a release, but you feel guilty that you feel happy. The emotion that you feel happy, you can't help how you are feeling in that moment. But what happens is, you can then end up feeling bad. Your rational brain can tell you to feel bad because you think you should be unhappy because your mother just died. So, these are all complex subjects, but it's important to know that it will fluctuate. And the reason I bring up the incongruous bit, sometimes people end up on a downward spiral because they feel unhappy and they get annoyed that they're not happy.   Steve Rush: And it makes it worse.   Matt Phelan: Yeah, certain event. The other way can happen as well. So, to answer your question. Yes, you can be too happy, which I think does surprise a few people when they hear that. Steve Rush: Yeah, it does. And, I guess the reason that might surprise people is, because it's easy to notice when people are less happy than when they are happy, right?   Matt Phelan: Yeah, and I think we need to bring up an elephant in the room on this one, Steve.   Steve Rush: Let's do it.   Matt Phelan: Which is toxic positivity.   Steve Rush: Oh, go on…   Matt Phelan: We made this mistake when we first started The Happiness Index, which is, as soon as we built that software in our old company, we made happiness a target. As in, we said, we want our staff to be on average eight out of ten or above happiness. What I learned from doing that is, it's a terrible idea and don't do it. And the reasons it's terrible idea, and don't do it, is that if you saw someone in the office or down the pub, and they looked unhappy, it's the equivalent of telling them to cheer up. If you tell somebody who's unhappy to cheer up, the only thing that's ever going to happen is, they're going to get unhappy.   Steve Rush: That's true, isn't it? Very true.   Matt Phelan: Yeah, and it goes back to that, seeing it like a weather report, you can't tell the rain not to rain and the sun not to shine. It's just natural, this is what's happening. So, all you can do, if you see someone unhappy is to be there and try and understand what's driving that emotion. And if you can help then great. But if you can't, your job, like we've all learned is to be there to listen. And actually, just the process of listening could actually really help people. But you need to get permission before you go into fixed mode because I think it's an entrepreneurship thing and there's also gender differences in this element, but I'm definitely somebody who likes to jump into fixing.   Steve Rush: Yeah.   Matt Phelan: Before I've been given permission that this person actually wants me to help. That's definitely one of my own developments as leader that I've had to work on. Steve Rush: And in terms of getting balance over the last eight months, two years, where we've gone through this crazy world, that we've been all experiencing, how has that kind of presented itself in terms of people's happiness during and through the pandemic?   Matt Phelan: So, I'm going to use a word from the island in geography back in the day, which it's been a kaleidoscope. I've just been waiting to get that word in really.     Steve Rush: Yeah, I think it's the first time anybody use that word on our podcast. So, congratulations, well done.   Matt Phelan: Thanks Steve, I'm going to send it to my mom. So, she's proud of me, but I think in reality, it's just been different. It's been different for everyone, but there's huge themes again. So, similar to what I was saying about global emotions, some people are happier. For example, introverts many introverts have preferred working from home. Because they don't have people like me walking around the office, asking them how they are.   Steve Rush: Of course, they get their energy internally. So, they don't need to be surrounded by other people to get their energy and focus.   Matt Phelan: Absolutely, some people have really struggled. I've really missed human connection myself. The relationships bit is definitely key, really important for me. The top level, the world was way unhappier in the last two years than it's ever been recognized of unhappiness, just to get that on record. But where we've seen is, we've seen people want to communicate times for the normal amount.   Steve Rush: Wow, that's a lot, isn't it?   Matt Phelan: Yeah, which shows that the digital world is great. But it leaves you with what we call an emotional deficit. So, I think the digital world, I don't want to get too much into hormones today, but I think the digital world really drives your dopamine. Like that reward signal thing that you get from all the social.   Steve Rush: Instant gratification.   Matt Phelan: Yeah, I think we get that a lot from tech and that's not by accident. The Mark Zuckerberg of the world know how to design platforms to do that for us. But there's a huge piece missing on connection there that sitting around the fire, having a chat, all that sort of stuff, you can get bits of it from the digital world. But ultimately, I do think there's a real-world stuff that we need.   Steve Rush: Yeah, I agree. And given all the research and data points, you get, you've gathered data from all over the world. Has there been any pockets of happiness or sadness that spikes, or where's the kind of happiest place to live right now and where would be the place that we might want to avoid?   Matt Phelan: So, this comes up a lot because the nordics always come out as the happiest place. But actually, I think if I'm really brutal with the analysis, I think all human beings, I don't think there's a happier country and a less happy country. There are facts that do come into it that we can't ignore like war and famine.   Steve Rush: Of course, yeah.   Matt Phelan: There is no doubt that if you're in Afghanistan at the moment; that it's going to be impacting how you feel. But if we just take a normal situation, I think in reality, there's measurement differences on it. So, I really encourage everyone to go back to what is important to you and your environment and what's around you because. Denmark and so on, always come out really high, but guess what, Steve, I have to deal with the situation that I have in front of me, which is what I always encourage people to do. So, it's great to be inspired by other countries and other locations, but I think it's more important to look internally and look around you in your own facility. Otherwise, if you heard of that Roosevelt quote, it's like comparison is the thief of joy.   Steve Rush: Yeah.   Matt Phelan: And you can easily do that. Like when I went out to Copenhagen, I loved going for a swim in the harvest that they have there. But I can't do that.   Steve Rush: And here's the other thing that was really interesting bit of a data point overlay on that. Denmark the highest taxed country in Europe, you pay more tax out of your earned income than in any other country in Europe. And in fact, I think in the Northern hemisphere.   Matt Phelan: And I think we talk about that a lot. I talk about that with Jens Nelson. Who's our representative in Denmark and there's a mindset shift. They don't see tax as the thing that's being stolen out of your back pocket after you've done your work.   Steve Rush: Interesting, yeah.   Matt Phelan: There is something that is contributing to society and good. They see it as good; we would need a podcast just to get into the cultural.   Steve Rush: Oh gosh, that's a whole other show, right?   Matt Phelan: Yeah, we'd be back to King John and the Magna Carta to understand that from a UK perspective, maybe that's the follow-up Steve would do King John and the Magna Carta and happiness.   Steve Rush: And then we'll have to of course involve the Romans who started all the thing.   Matt Phelan: Totally.   Steve Rush: Yeah, so you created a fantastic community by the way, called happiness and humans community.   Matt Phelan: Yeah.   Steve Rush: And you always have this question that you'd like to pose and it's what makes you happy. So, I'm going to ask you the same question. So, what makes you happy Matt?   Matt Phelan: Oh, thanks for asking me, Steve. It's where I got the title for my book, which is Freedom To Be Happy. So, freedom was in those top four that I mentioned earlier on happiness, but for me, it's by far the number one thing. like for me, I see life as an adventure. I didn't come from a wealthy family or anything. So, I do have to earn money to pay the mortgage and stuff like that. I do have that side to me, but I can't work anywhere for a second if I don't have freedom to be myself. And it's really higher in that perspective. So, that's all parts of life. That's in my relationships with friends, with my family, with my work colleagues, like I need to know that I can leave at any point. If I was told to come on this podcast, it's very childish. I wouldn't have come on, but because you invited me, I came on. I know it's a very subtle difference.   Steve Rush: It is.   Matt Phelan: I probably need some therapy to work through it, but for me, it's freedom.   Steve Rush: Lovely, awesome.   Matt Phelan: And you, I have to ask?   Steve Rush: Oh, I knew you would do that. So, I'm trying to just articulate this because I've not thought about it and I should have done so it's kind of schoolboy error. I think it's around environment for me. So having happy and calm people around me makes me happy. When there is anger and disruption and chaos, that makes me really unhappy. And I react emotionally in those environments differently.   Matt Phelan: Can you feel that, Steve?   Steve Rush: Oh, hugely. I can feel it even before it happens, so I can sense in a room or in an environment, mood shift and change very, very quickly before it presents itself in the either physical or verbal way.   Matt Phelan: I think that's one of the most important aspects of the COO role. I think a lot of people, when I think about the COO in an organization, I think that person is one of the most organized people in the business, which is also true. But I don't think you can have a COO that can't sense that because the COO has so many interactions with all the different teams.   Steve Rush: Well, actually, I coined the phrase, my Leadership Barometer, right? So that's kind of how it feels for me. You've made the correlation with weather earlier with happiness, didn't you?   Matt Phelan: Yeah.   Steve Rush: So, it's ironic that even without having this conversation before or even connecting the dots, that's exactly what happens with me. I get a sense, a barometer of mood shift, energy shift, culture shift, and I migrate towards it and can energize it and make it better. And I avoid it when it's not or tackle it to re-engineer it, so that it is.   Matt Phelan: And I'm just going to get a bit of free consultancy from you for all your listeners quickly, Steve, with one more question, and then I will stop questioning. I get the sense that you intuitively do that, right?   Steve Rush: It is an intuitively.   Matt Phelan: But if you get people that are not as natural at doing that, right. If you went into an organization and they were low on that skill, do you think you can coach and help people improve that? Or do you think you're just born with it?   Steve Rush: No, I totally believe you can coach it and have done because it's around awareness. So, starts with yourself, and are you paying attention? Are you noticing? And then secondly, it's around, how do you notice? So, what are the clues, the cues, the things that happening around us that make us open to those coincidences. Open to observing those behaviors. So, it's definitely a learned behavior. It might be an intuition for me now, but it probably wasn't twenty-five years ago.   Matt Phelan: That's brilliant Steve and I'm thinking about lots of clients and stuff now where I know that's a challenge they've got.   Steve Rush: Anyway, back to me, it's my show, [laughter] I'm going to spin the lens now and we're going to hack into your leadership mind. So, you've led some really successful businesses and still do, and therefore want to get your leadership spin on how you might do that and what's going to set you and others apart. So, first thing I want to ask you is, if you think about all of the experiences you had, what would be your top three leadership hacks Matt?   Matt Phelan: I think the number one is, I love from my granddad who I never met. So, I learned something from my granddad that I never met, but I learned it through stories passed on to me. This leadership lesson sounds a little bit outdated, because we're probably talking about it from like the forties and fifties. But the thing that I learned from my granddad is that as a leader, your job is to help someone. I'm trying to think of the exact phrase, but it's help someone improve. And I think when you look at it, forties and fifties, it was more like, like my family were immigrants. So, it's about like working your way up and all that kind of stuff. But in a modern world, I see it as personal development. I think if you look at all your employees and think, how do you help them improve? Ultimately that's going to help your organization improve as well. But the massive caveat that I would add to it. For it to really work, you have to be able to have an honest conversation with someone when you think that improvement will be better served outside your current organization.   Steve Rush: Yeah.   Matt Phelan: Which is tough, and you have to park your ego to do that and you to have open lines of communication. But if you've worked with someone for example, five years and you both think, you know, what the best thing this person could do is go and work at this other organization. You have to have a relationship where you could have that conversation with that person. So, I think it's focusing on their improvement, but the caveat that you would be aware that sometimes that improvement might not come from in your organization.   Steve Rush: Yeah.   Matt Phelan: So, we've got number one. And number two, I think is, we've mentioned it before Steve, which is listen. And again, the caveat is not jumping into problem solving. So, it's really listening to your team. But waiting to be invited on the fixed part. And I've learned that the hard way.   Steve Rush: Yeah, easy done though.   Matt Phelan: Yeah, and I think the third point, and this is why I think this is why your podcast has done so amazing Steve is, the power of storytelling. Because I'm a geek, right? And ideal in data, but unless you can turn that data into a story, it just sits in a spreadsheet, isn't it?   Steve Rush: It does, yeah. Matt Phelan: They're just numbers, aren't they? But until you start looking at trends and then once you turn them into trends, you start saying the stories, that's how other human beings learn. So, when you're looking at your cultural data, then taking out those little nuggets and stories, that's how we share it. And we learn and we improve as an organization. So, to recap that I would say self-improvement for the team, really proper listening. And the third point which I just mentioned.   Steve Rush: Love it, really great advice. So, the next part of the show, we call it Hack to Attack. So, this is typically where something in your life or work has not worked out at all well. Could have even been quite catastrophic, but it created a learning experience for you that you now use as a positive in your life and work. What would be your Hack to Attack Matt?   Matt Phelan: I think my Hack to Attack was where you were going to Steve, a bit with like listening to your own body. So, I learned through coaching, my coaches is a neuroscience coach that the most important thing I could do is listen to my body. And the reason that was important was when I first started, I was twenty-five and, you know, what's it like, we took an off the record about how tough the last year has been for both our businesses. But like, you can hit these big moments, can't you? People resign, you lose clients, cashflow is tough. What I used to do to deal with tough experiences. Like when I came home, I found it hard to switch off. So, I would drink red wine to sort of like, get that nice hazy feel.   Steve Rush: Yeah.   Matt Phelan: But what I learned from listening to my body is that it would give me that hazy feel and it would push back the negative thoughts, like, oh my God, we've lost this client or this has happened. But then those thoughts would come back to me at three o'clock in the morning which was a downward cycle because then I couldn't sleep. And then I was getting less sleep, which was negatively impacting my wellbeing. So, Hack to Attack, now I look at my wellbeing as I know that if I'm going to turn up for a meeting or a podcast, my wellbeing and foundation to be myself, needs to be there. So, I've learned that I just need to keep feeding that in. So that led me to doing a year off alcohol. I came back drinking for my brother stag do which I felt like I obliged to him because he drank on my stag do and so on and so on.   And I want it to be part of that, but actually, I don't know if I'll drink again. Now, I've came back for that social event. And I definitely think that I'm a better leader. And the other thing I've learned from it is that there are non-drinkers within the happiness index that have gravitated to me towards me socially.   Steve Rush: It's very interesting.   Matt Phelan: Because in the media world, drinking is part of the world. And that was my old world.   Steve Rush: Yeah.   Matt Phelan: Actually, it's like a diversity thing, isn't it? Which is, drinkers socially gravitated towards me. And my co-founders drink, but actually as a diversity perspective, the fact that I'm a non-drink is actually quite useful. So other people would come to me and say, Matt, we're doing this event, it's got drinking involved. Maybe we could do a different type of activity. Whereas I don't think they would've come to me if I hadn't like explained why it cut down on drinking.   Steve Rush: And we avoid the rabbit hole that says also there's a chemical reaction that gives you an instant high when you drink alcohol, but then it also impacts you negatively after the event.   Matt Phelan: I would recommend to read Alcohol Explained. And for any level of drinker, I wouldn't say I was someone who was a huge drinker, but I was someone who became aware that, I looked at it like a loan in the end, which is, I reckon I had one day up for two days down. And I thought, you know what? This is like a high interest loan that I don't want to keep paying off with interest.   Steve Rush: Like you currently can.   Matt Phelan: But that book alcohol explained, especially if you're into neuroscience and stuff, it explains why that high comes and so on. And I don't want to preach because I've many years of actually really enjoying drinking and lots of friends and families do drink, but I would recommend people to read Alcohol Explained whatever your level of drinking from. Problem drinker to one a month.   Steve Rush: Great stuff. Now, the very last thing we get to do is we get to give you a chance to do some time travel, bump into Matt at twenty-one. And you can get to give him some advice Matt, what would it be?   Matt Phelan: You don't realize how much opportunity you've got. And I would say, go and work in other countries. Like right now, obviously we're in the middle of the pandemic, well, we're not hopefully we're at the beginning of the end, but again, like maybe I'm saying this because our freedoms been locked down and stuff, but I think you can learn a lot from travel, right. But imagine how much you can learn by going and working in another country.   Steve Rush: Yeah.   Matt Phelan: It's been good for me because I've become very ingrained in London. So, anything I need or speak too, like my network in London is huge and London's a global city. So, I've benefited from that perspective. But actually, if I were speaking to twenty-one-year-old Matt, I'd probably say, go and work in Shanghai for a couple of years.   Steve Rush: Yeah, I didn't start working my professional career abroad until in my late twenties and then only really in the last kind of ten or fifteen years, if I had the opportunity to travel the world and see and experience those, and you do get much of a richer experience and diversity of thinking and behaviors, is really powerful, isn't it?   Matt Phelan: Yeah, it would be as simple as that.   Steve Rush: So beyond today, if folk wanted to continue the conversation with you, stay connected with you, where's the best place for us to send them?   Matt Phelan: Yeah, at the moment we realized that moving from engagement to happiness for some can be scary. So, any company in the world of any size can go to the happinessindex.com and they can do a free trial for three months of our entire platform. So that's it on a product perspective. From a keeping in touch perspective, the happiness and humans community, you can find that on the happinessindex.com as well, the test is, do you want to positively shape the future of work. If you are thinking, yes, that's what I want to do, Matt and Steve, then please join that community is people from all around the world. People pose questions, challenges. But most importantly, people connect up and there's been people that have become friends, business partners, they've hired on there. So, yeah, please join the happiness in humans community if you want to positively shape the future of work.   Steve Rush: And we but a little join here button on our show notes as well. So, people can do that as soon as they started listening with us.   Matt Phelan: Thanks Steve.   Steve Rush: Matt, I love chatting with you. You bring a really great perspective to something that is an emotional subject, and you have given us that business case. 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