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Team Human is a weekly podcast and set of resources enabling human intervention in the economic, technological, and social programs that determine how we live, work, and interact. This is media as cultural resistance and a path to social change.

Douglas Rushkoff


    • Jun 4, 2025 LATEST EPISODE
    • weekly NEW EPISODES
    • 53m AVG DURATION
    • 394 EPISODES

    4.8 from 328 ratings Listeners of Team Human that love the show mention: thailand, solutions, humanity, new york, technology, cultural, books, critical, speaking, create, movies, favorites, media, music, future, talks, culture, world, change, positive.


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    The Team Human podcast is a breath of fresh air in a world that often feels disconnected and divided. It offers hope, inspiration, and thoughtful perspectives on society, culture, and the future. Douglas Rushkoff, the host of the podcast, brings together a wide range of guests who share their insights and ideas on how we can navigate the challenges of our fast-paced and technology-driven world while staying connected to our humanity.

    One of the best aspects of this podcast is the diverse range of guests that Douglas Rushkoff brings on. From artists and activists to entrepreneurs and academics, each guest offers unique insights into how we can create positive change in our lives and communities. The conversations are engaging, thought-provoking, and provide practical advice for approaching the future with compassion and humanity. The interview with Grant Morrison, which many listeners had been eagerly waiting for, was particularly inspiring.

    Another great aspect of this podcast is its ability to lift spirits even when discussing heavy topics. Even on days when the state of things may seem bleak, listening to Team Human helps me feel less alone and provides a sense of hope. The content is not only informative but also enjoyable, creating a community where listeners can find inspiration and connection.

    However, one drawback of this podcast is that some episodes may have issues with sound quality or editing. Some listeners have expressed frustration with excessive mouth noises from guests or awkward transitions in certain episodes. These shortcomings can be distracting from the overall message being delivered.

    In conclusion, The Team Human podcast is an essential listen for anyone seeking hope, inspiration, and practical ways to approach the future with compassion and humanity. Douglas Rushkoff's interviews provide valuable insights into navigating our fast-paced world while staying connected to what truly matters. Despite occasional technical issues, this podcast remains a beacon of light in an often dark world.



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    Life is Not a Simulation: It's Magic

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 4, 2025 17:56


    Rushkoff explains the two ways we can understand magic in order to experience more of our embodied lives.Team Human is proudly sponsored by Everyone's Earth.Learn more about Everyone's Earth: https://everyonesearth.com/Change Diapers: https://changediapers.com/Cobi Dryer Sheets: https://cobidryersheets.com/Use the code “rush10” for 10% off Cobi Dryer Sheets: https://cobidryersheets.com/Support Team Human on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/teamhumanFollow Team Human with Douglas Rushkoff:Instagram: https:/www.instagram.com/douglasrushkoffBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/rushkoff.comGet bonus content on Patreon: patreon.com/teamhuman  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Alex Kazemi: Live from The Strand

    Play Episode Listen Later May 28, 2025 39:50


    Playing for Team Human today, Canadian pop artist, author, journalist, magician, and CEO of VOID Collective, Alex Kazemi.New Millennium Boyz: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/New-Millennium-Boyz/Alex-Kazemi/9798888459539 Alex's website: https://alexkazemi.com/Team Human is proudly sponsored by Everyone's Earth.Learn more about Everyone's Earth: https://everyonesearth.com/Change Diapers: https://changediapers.com/Cobi Dryer Sheets: https://cobidryersheets.com/Use the code “rush10” for 10% off Cobi Dryer Sheets: https://cobidryersheets.com/ Support Team Human on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/teamhumanFollow Team Human with Douglas Rushkoff: Instagram: https:/www.instagram.com/douglasrushkoffBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/rushkoff.comGet bonus content on Patreon: patreon.com/teamhuman  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    David Bollier: The Commons Are Not a Tragedy

    Play Episode Listen Later May 21, 2025 67:09


    Playing for Team Human today, activist, Blogger, and Director of the Reinventing the CommonsProgram at the Schumacher Center for a New Economics, David Bollier.Team Human is proudly sponsored by Everyone's Earth.Learn more about Everyone's Earth: https://everyonesearth.com/Change Diapers: https://changediapers.com/Cobi Dryer Sheets: https://cobidryersheets.com/Support Team Human on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/teamhumanFollow Team Human with Douglas Rushkoff:Instagram: https:/www.instagram.com/douglasrushkoffBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/rushkoff.comGet bonus content on Patreon: patreon.com/teamhuman  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Conner Habib: Live Up To Your Fool Potential

    Play Episode Listen Later May 14, 2025 77:07


    Playing for Team Human today, novelist, spiritualist and host of the podcast Against Everyone, my friend Conner Habib. This conversation continues tomorrow on Conner's podcast, Against Everyone.Conner's Patreon: patreon.com/connerhabibConner's Website: connerhabib.comTeam Human is proudly sponsored by Everyone's Earth.Learn more about Everyone's Earth: https://everyonesearth.com/Change Diapers: https://changediapers.com/Cobi Dryer Sheets: https://cobidryersheets.com/Support Team Human on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/teamhumanFollow Team Human with Douglas Rushkoff:Instagram: https:/www.instagram.com/douglasrushkoffBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/rushkoff.comGet bonus content on Patreon: patreon.com/teamhuman  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    The Fascist Atmosphere

    Play Episode Listen Later May 7, 2025 27:02


    Has digital technology turned us all into fascists? Rushkoff explores fascism as an environment in which we live, rather than the specific ideology of one "side." He shows how technology, psychedelics, and business are all "non-specific amplifiers," yielding different results depending on what we bring to them. He asks us to consider what would happen if we stopped seeing issues in terms of "sides," and why our current media and political environment makes that so difficult. How do we break the fascistic state of mind? Team Human is proudly sponsored by Everyone's Earth.Learn more about Everyone's Earth: https://everyonesearth.com/Change Diapers: https://changediapers.com/Cobi Dryer Sheets: https://cobidryersheets.com/

    Mitch Horowitz

    Play Episode Listen Later May 1, 2025 72:35


    Playing for Team Human today, occult historian, author, and esotericist Mitch Horowitz, sharing the formulas that give us all access to Practical Magic. Mitch Horowitz: https://www.mitchhorowitz.com/Practical Magic: https://www.mitchhorowitz.com/booksTeam Human is proudly sponsored by Everyone's Earth.Learn more about Everyone's Earth: https://everyonesearth.com/Change Diapers: https://changediapers.com/Cobi Dryer Sheets: https://cobidryersheets.com/

    Edward Ongweso Jr

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 16, 2025 77:57


    Edward Ongweso Jr., Senior Researcher at Security in Context and co-host of This Machine Kills, journeys with us into the political economy of technology and the deep crazy that is informing the collapse of the still viable, if problematic, civilization. Team Human is proudly sponsored by Everyone's Earth.Learn more about Everyone's Earth: https://everyonesearth.com/Change Diapers: https://changediapers.com/Cobi Dryer Sheets: https://cobidryersheets.com/

    Radha Agrawal

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 9, 2025 74:10


    Radha Agrawal, Co-Founder of Daybreaker and author of Belong, helps us break from our online-induced community confusion and learn to find true connectedness again.About Radha AgrawalRadha Agrawal is a dynamic entrepreneur, Co-founder, CEO, and Chief Community Architect of Daybreaker, a global wellness movement with nearly half a million members across five continents. She's co-founded and invested in several wellness companies, including THINX, and launched DOSE by Daybreaker, a membership platform focused on practicing joy.Team Human is proudly sponsored by Everyone's Earth.Learn more about Everyone's Earth: https://everyonesearth.com/Change Diapers: https://changediapers.com/Cobi Dryer Sheets: https://cobidryersheets.com/

    Universal Weirdness

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 4, 2025 27:20


    Douglas Rushkoff recognizes the high weirdness of our circumstances, and the universal strange characterizing this moment in our shared history. He also offers four recommendations for us to take agency over our situation.Team Human is proudly sponsored by Everyone's Earth.Learn more about Everyone's Earth: https://everyonesearth.com/ Change Diapers: https://changediapers.com/Cobi Dryer Sheets: https://cobidryersheets.com/

    Jonathan Larsen

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 31, 2025 57:54


    Jonathan Larsen, Founder of The Fucking News, proves there's still a path forward for the fourth estate.You can view the full video conversation: https://youtu.be/b8M4zkhtTZgTeam Human is proudly sponsored by Everyone's Earth.Learn more about Everyone's Earth: https://everyonesearth.com/ Change Diapers: https://changediapers.com/Cobi Dryer Sheets: https://cobidryersheets.com/

    Molly Crabapple

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 21, 2025 67:58


    Artist and writer Molly Crabapple helps us retrieve the purpose of the artist - particularly in hard times.About Molly Crabapple:Molly Crabapple is an artist and writer whose inspirations include Toulouse Lautrec, Diego Rivera and Goya's ‘The Disasters of War.' She is the co-author of Brothers of the Gun, an illustrated collaboration with Syrian war journalist Marwan Hisham, which was a NY Times Notable Book and long-listed for the 2018 National Book Award. Her memoir, Drawing Blood, received global praise and attention. Her animated films have been nominated for three Emmys and won an Edward R. Murrow Award.Team Human is made possible thanks to the generous support of our listeners on Patreon. Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Helena Norberg-Hodge

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 12, 2025 71:53


    Helena Norberg-Hodge, Founder and Director of Local Futures, shares the power of local connections and building resilience - even against the globally-scaled abstract monsters threatening human sustainability and sanctity today.About Helena Norberg-HodgeHelena Norberg-Hodge is the founder and director of the international non-profit organisation, Local Futures, a pioneer of the new economy movement, and the convenor of World Localization Day and the International Alliance for Localisation. Helena is the author of several books, including Ancient Futures (“the inspirational classic” -- Random House), an eye-opening tale of tradition and change in Ladakh, or “Little Tibet”. Together with a film of the same title, Ancient Futures has been translated into more than 40 languages, and sold half a million copies. Her latest book is Local is Our Future: Steps to an Economics of Happiness.Team Human is made possible thanks to the generous support of our listeners on Patreon.-------------------Hosted by Douglas RushkoffProduced by Josh ChapdelaineAudio Edited & Mixed by Luke Robert Mason Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    The Job Hasn't Changed

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 7, 2025 9:55


    Rushkoff discusses what we can do in the face of political. cultural, and economic phenomena – and why the Team Human mission hasn't changed.Support Team Human

    Dr. Mara Einstein "Hoodwinked"

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 3, 2025 82:30


    Dr. Mara Einstein, author of Hoodwinked: How Marketers Use the Same Tactics As Cults, helps us recognize the cult tactics being used to hoodwink us into submission and get us to act against our own self-interest. This conversation was recorded February 4, 2025.About Dr. Mara EinsteinDr. Mara Einstein has written books on branding religion (Brands of Faith), cause marketing (Compassion, Inc.), and deceptive marketing practices. This last book was Black Ops Advertising, which The New York Times called “well-researched and accomplished” and The Guardian agreed, saying “Einstein's explanations of all this – from internet news organisations to TV product placement and even dating sites – are thoroughly researched, elegantly explained and often alarming, even for readers familiar with most of the above facts in the abstract.”Support Team Human

    Chapel Perilous with Gabriel Kennedy and Grant Morrison

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 19, 2025 74:06


    Grant Morrison and Douglas Rushkoff celebrate the publication of the first biography of Robert Anton Wilson with author Gabriel Kennedy (PropAnon). Kennedy and Morrison walk us through the Chapel Perilous and land us safely back in consensus reality.

    Every Thing Is In Between

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 18, 2025 31:36


    Rushkoff discusses the importance of looking between major global events in order to find connection and meaning.

    Rushkoff's Christmas Monologue: Corleone-Style Diplomacy and the Post-human Future

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 26, 2024 17:37


    Rushkoff shares a new monologue that makes sense of Trump's latest round of seemingly outlandish proclamations.

    Mitch Horowitz: Occultism and the Fight for Reality - Live from CX

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 18, 2024 78:27


    Award-winning author and host of Discovery/HBO's Alien Encounters: Fact or Fiction Mitch Horowitz helps us create the conditions for a tide pool where only rivers seem to flow. This conversation was recorded on December 10, 2024, at CX in New York City.

    Announcing Team Human Live in NYC on December 10 with Mitch Horowitz

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 26, 2024 1:05


    Join Douglas Rushkoff in conversation with PEN award-winning author, speaker, and narrator Mitch Horowitz for a special Team Human Live on December 10 at CX in New York City.

    Greg Epstein "Tech Agnostic"

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 20, 2024 81:13


    Harvard & MIT Humanist Chaplain and Author of Tech Agnostic Greg Epstein helps us understand the Silicon Valley religion.In his monologue, Rushkoff reminds us about the importance of mutual aid in our communities and the ways AI and Big Tech are fueling a return to historical norms of inequality.

    Post-Election Monologue: This Game is Not Reality

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 11, 2024 25:21


    Rushkoff reflects on the US election and reminds us how we can center mutual aid and community support to foster resilience.

    Anthony James

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 24, 2024 57:34


    Host of The RegenNarration Anthony James makes the case for us to pause long enough for the planet to do its thing.

    Program Or Be Programed: Book Launch Q&A w/ Douglas Rushkoff and Matt Klein

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 16, 2024 64:07


    Douglas Rushkoff celebrates the release of Program Or Be Programmed: Eleven Commands For The AI Future in a special Q&A with cultural analyst Matt Klein. Recorded Friday, October 4, 2024.

    East Forest "Music For Mushrooms"

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 24, 2024 73:08


    Musician, composer, and ceremonial accompanist East Forest engages with us on the occasion of the release of the movie about his work, Music For Mushrooms.

    The Stories We Tell Ourselves

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 9, 2024 32:44


    Rushkoff argues that we can confront vibe shifts through the stories we tell ourselves.

    Rushkoff is Back: Vibing on the Vibe

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 20, 2024 34:00


    Rushkoff discusses the vibe shift he has undergone and the ways we can approach situations we can't control with compassion and care.

    Martin Winiecki "Water is Love"

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 25, 2024 41:12


    Leader of Tamera's Institute for Global Peacework and storyteller behind the new documentary Water is Love Martin Winiecki explains what water wants – and how human beings can facilitate its movement and save our planet for ourselves, and other fellow species.

    Richard Metzger: Magick Show

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 17, 2024 70:01


    Occult researcher and Founder of Dangerous Minds Richard Metzger explains why it's time we leverage the magical sensibilities of popular culture to the pro-human agenda.Support Richard Metzger's Magick Show: A Masterclass in Modern Occultism featuring Douglas Rushkoff, Grant Morrison, Mitch Horowitz, Jamie Cohen, and many more!

    Love and Magick are Our Best Hope

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 24, 2024 13:22


    Rushkoff discusses the easiest, funnest, and most likely path to averting apocalypse.

    Artificial Creativity

    Play Episode Listen Later May 22, 2024 29:34


    Rushkoff discusses how AI teaches us to distinguish between art and industry.

    Team Human Special: Live Q&A

    Play Episode Listen Later May 1, 2024 59:00


    Playing for Team Human today, it's Team Human! Rushkoff and artist, animator, and musician Brynna Campbell field questions from the Team Human Discord community about American authoritarianism, post-Covid lockdown education, protests, and AI.

    The Speed of the Internet

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 24, 2024 23:32


    Rushkoff discusses why he's breaking from the preferred publishing schedules of advertisers and algorithms in favor of a more considerate approach.

    Joanne McNeil

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 17, 2024 69:20


    Author Joanne McNeil shares the inspiration for her new novel, Wrong Way, and the profound beauty of human connection.About Joanne McNeilJoanne McNeil is the author of the novel WRONG WAY (2023) and LURKING (2020). She was the inaugural winner of the Carl & Marilynn Thoma Art Foundation's Arts Writing Award for an emerging writer. She has been a resident at Eyebeam, a Logan Nonfiction Program fellow, recipient of the Warhol Foundation Arts Writers Grant, and an instructor at the School for Poetic Computation. She grew up in Brockton, MA and is currently based in Los Angeles.

    The Secret History and Unwritten Future of Psychedelics and Technology

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 10, 2024 96:10


    Dr. Julie Holland, Paul D. Miller (DJ Spooky), Ken Jordan, and Rushkoff discuss the psychedelic origins of the internet the way tech bros want to monopolize psychedelics as an industry. This conversation was recorded at The Athenæum on January 24, 2024.

    Rushkoff Q&A: Native Ecosystems Live Here

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 3, 2024 61:21


    Playing for Team Human today, it's Team Human! Rushkoff responds to questions and comments submitted by Team Human members from our Discord server. It's a test-drive of what we hope to develop into a live call-in show.

    Astra Taylor & Leah Hunt-Hendrix

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 27, 2024 58:03


    Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    The Model is Not the Territory

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 20, 2024 30:42


    Douglas Rushkoff shares why we need to distinguish between models and reality.

    John Oakes

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 14, 2024 40:13


    Publisher of Evergreen Review and Author of The Fast John Oakes discusses history and biology of fasting at his book launch event in New York City. Recorded live at The Strand on Thursday, February 15, 2024.About John OakesJohn Oakes is the publisher of The Evergreen Review and co-founder of OR Books, a publishing company recognized as one of “the radical alternatives to conventional publishing” (The Guardian), where he is currently editor-at-large. In his thirty years in publishing, Oakes has worked on more than 600 books with several independent presses, starting with Barney Rosset's legendary Grove Press.Keep up with John OakesWebsite | X

    Mushon Zer-Aviv

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 6, 2024 82:23


    Artist, designer, technologist, writer, and Israeli peace activist, Mushon Zer-Aviv shows us why binary partisanship in the Israeli-Palstinian conflict hurts everyone, and what to do about.

    Nathan Schneider

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 28, 2024 72:38


    Director of the Media Economies Design Lab and author of Governable Spaces: Democratic Design for Online Life., Nathan Schneider shows us how the styles of governance embedded in our online platforms change the way we understand governance in real life.

    Brian Merchant

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 21, 2024 77:12


    Author of The One Device and Blood In The Machine:: The Origins of the Rebellion Against Big Tech Brian Merchant shares the lessons learned by the luddites, not an anti-technology movement, but a worker's rebellion against the way automation was used to crush the underclass.

    Douglas Rushkoff on Duncan Trussell Family Hour

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 17, 2024 73:13


    Douglas Rushkoff joined The Duncan Trussell Family Hour on January 15, 2024.

    Noah Tsika

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 14, 2024 54:39


    Professor of Media Studies at CUNY Queens, author of I'm Not There, and film historian, Noah Tsika exposes us to the brilliance in the most pop of cultural expressions — and help us reclaim the wisdom of our own sensibilities.About Noah TsikaNoah Tsika is a film historian whose work explores the links between moving images and state power in West Africa and North America. His research has addressed, among other topics, the entwinement of film (including nontheatrical film) and public institutions and government agencies (such as state and local police departments, the armed services, and the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs). As an Africanist, he has studied the history of colonial documentary in Nigeria and Senegal, among other countries; the politics and economics of Nollywood's star system; and the representational, infrastructural, and corporate relationships between Hollywood and Nollywood.Keep up with Brendan LemonLinkedIn | CUNY Queens College

    Brendon Lemon

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 7, 2024 84:10


    Standup comedian and midwest existentialist Brendon Lemon walks us through the existential abyss, where we find out there's actually something funny about all this.About Brendan LemonBrendon Lemon is a comedian from Detroit, where he started performing regularly at the famous Comedy Castle at age 16. Two years in he was filmed for the documentary Be Funny which featured Christopher Titus and Mike Green. He moved to Paris in the summer of 2013 to both write and perform stand-up in both French and English. He returned to the US and lived between Boulder, Colorado and Chicago performing and writing plays, as well as being featured on the TV show Sex Sent Me to The ER, and the movie Do You Believe.Keep up with Brendan LemonTikTok | Website | Sunflower Glass Company

    Transcendence is for Losers

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 31, 2024 22:13


    Douglas Rushkoff discusses why he feels like we're running away from what matters – or maybe from matter, itself.

    Shawn Kittelsen

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 24, 2024 64:08


    Vice President, Creative at Skydance Interactive Shawn Kittelsen considers our society in revolt, and how pop media from comic books to video games help us see the choices before us

    Heather Dewey-Hagborg

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 17, 2024 58:44


    Transdisciplinary artist and biohacker Heather Dewey-Hagborg shares her latest work on future pigs and hybrids.Keep up with Heather Dewey-HagborgWebsite | InstagramAbout Heather Dewey-HagborgDr. Heather Dewey-Hagborg is a New York-based artist and biohacker who is interested in art as research and technological critique. Her controversial biopolitical art practice includes the project Stranger Visions in which she created portrait sculptures from analyses of genetic material (hair, cigarette butts, chewed up gum) collected in public places.Heather has shown work internationally at events and venues including the World Economic Forum, the Daejeon Biennale, the Guangzhou Triennial, and the Shenzhen Urbanism and Architecture Biennale, Transmediale, the Walker Center for Contemporary Art, the Philadelphia Museum of Art, and PS1 MoMA. Her work is held in public collections of the Centre Pompidou, the Victoria and Albert Museum, SFMoMA, among others, and has been widely discussed in the media, from the New York Times and the BBC to Art Forum and Wired.Heather has a PhD in Electronic Arts from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. She is an Artist-in-Residence at the Exploratorium, and is an affiliate of Data & Society. She is a founding board member of Digital DNA, a European Research Council funded project investigating the changing relationships between digital technologies, DNA and evidence.

    Rebecca Bray & Rachel Gita Karp

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 10, 2024 48:54


    Executive Director of The Center for Artistic Activism Rebecca Bray and Program Director of The Center for Artistic Activism's Unstoppable Voters Rachel Gita Karp show us how to make activist art with, and for, real communities.

    Covid Speaks like ChatGPT

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 3, 2024 22:59


    Douglas Rushkoff discusses what he's learning from Covid about the Internet and other Synthetic Experiences.

    In Depth with Douglas Rushkoff - Book TV

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 27, 2023 117:50


    Douglas Rushkoff joined CSPAN's Book TV to discuss his career in a wide-ranging conversation with callers. Originally published by CSPAN on October 1, 2023.

    Kibbitz Room XIII

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 21, 2023 60:03


    Playing for Team Human today, it's Team Human! Douglas Rushkoff hosts the monthly Team Human call-in show from the community Discord server. This conversation was recorded on December 12, 2023.

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