Podcast appearances and mentions of terrence mckenna

Trigger warning:In honor of Joshua's life, Nicholas Fontana agreed to film with PBTR a few years ago to share his experience of losing his adopted friend Joshua to suicide. I ran into Nicholas at a mutual friends party a few weeks ago. Everything fell away as we began to speak about the effort to heal and all of the ways he has made progress. I asked Nicholas if he would be willing to be on the podcast to talk about the ideas he shared during our conversation. This led me to think about how to deal with our diverse levels of pain in a way that I have never considered before. His inspiration for self exploration came from; Gangaji, Alan Watts. Adyashanti, Eckhart Tolle and Terrence McKenna.It is important to understand that the people who love adopted people hurt when we hurt. Adoption is not a singular event that happens to one person. Adoption loss extends out from us; it affects our relationships, our parenting and our ability to feel worthy. In reintroducing you to Nicholas and Joshua we hope you feel inspired by the courage, friendship and the bond they shared. We honor Joshua and his brave battle, we honor all of the warriors we have lost. Remember you are worthy in fact you are spectacular! -Joshua Samuel Kukla -Father, friend, musician, brother, son, adopteeClick here to send us a text. Also, our book “Pulled By The Root” is available at https://www.pulledbytheroot.com/bookhttps://www.pulledbytheroot.com/

Everything that's happened this year so far. Fake in the Real and Real in the Fake.Weird names again, we're allowed to dislike Muslims again.The Trump Hotel Cybertruck explosion. How do you join ISIS? War with Iran, war with China. We're due for some boundary redrawing, trying to get to Greenland.Six Degress of Hitler and family Hitler stories.Flashback!Joshua Cutchin InterviewJoshua Cutchin's character arc and his first supernatural encounter.The sanitorium ghost hunting story.Sumo's paranormal trampoline UFO story.Does consciousness affect our surroundings and if so, what does that have to do with the laws of nature.Terrence McKenna and using psychedelics.Thoughts about having children.Bigfoot stuff.Thoughts about writing and where does inspiration come from?LinksSet Decorating for Psy-Ops Tutorial videowww.joshuacutchin.comMore Linkswww.MAPSOC.orgFollow Sumo on TwitterAlternate Current RadioSupport the Show!Subscribe to the Podcast on GumroadSubscribe to the Podcast on PatreonBuy Us a Tibetan Herbal TeaSumo's SubstacksHoly is He Who WrestlesModern Pulp

Joe Landwehr is an astrologer of 50+ years experience, seeking an eclectic integration of astrology, spiritual psychology and ancient wisdom teachings. He is the author of five books and numerous articles for The Mountain Astrologer and other publications. He is Director of The Astropoetic School of Soul-Discovery, which offers individualized correspondence courses, webinar classes and workshops built around the correlation of astrological cycles with actual life experience. He has taught and lectured at ISAR conferences, the Midwest Astrology Conference, and online at International Academy of Astrology. More information about his work can be found at joelandwehr.com.We got together to discuss the rich ideas Joe outlines in his most recent book: Astrology in the Era of Uncertainty: An Astropoetic Exploration of Psyche and Cosmos. In this conversation, Joe generously shares the gems of his lifetime of Astrological research. We ask the question, what is astrology? It's a broad and unanswerable question, but we find some good ways to approach it, including the idea from Terrence McKenna that it's a trans-linguistic language. We then get into the mythopoetic and magical roots of astrology and discuss what it feels like in a consultation when the chart truly comes to life. In this way, astrology and its symbols encourage a form of what Jung called Participation Mystique; a way to see ourselves as embedded within an alive and soulful world. We end our discussion at the same place Joe ends his book - with Hestia. The first of the Olympians and the goddess of the eternal flame of the hearth: within ourselves; within the home; within the earth; and ultimately within the cosmos. Cover Art: The Feast of the Gods at the Wedding of Cupid and Psyche by Vincenzo CamucciniPodcast Musician: Marlia CoeurPlease consider becoming a Patron to support the show!Go to OnTheSoulsTerms.com for more.

Send us a Text Message.About the guest: Robin Carhart-Harris, PhD is a neuroscientist & psychopharmacologist. His lab at the University of California-San Francisco studies the effects of psychedelics and other drugs on the human brain, using neuroimaging and other approaches.Episode summary: Nick and Dr. Carhart-Harris discuss: psychedelics & the human brain; functional connectivity & entropy in brain patterns; the “entropic brain” hypothesis of psychedelic drug action; psychiatry & depression; psychology, Carl Jung & Sigmund Freud; the FDA's rejection of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for PTSD; latest research on psychedelics; and more.Related episodes:Anesthesia, Placebo Effects, Consciousness, Subjectivity, MDMA, Ketamine, Opioids, Psychedelics | Boris Heifets | #163DMT, Serotonin, Inflammation, Psychedelics, and Past, Present & Future of Psychedelic Medicine | David & Charles Nichols | #137*This content is never meant to serve as medical advice.Support the Show.All episodes (audio & video), show notes, transcripts, and more at the M&M Substack Try Athletic Greens: Comprehensive & convenient daily nutrition. Free 1-year supply of vitamin D with purchase.Try SiPhox Health—Affordable, at-home bloodwork w/ a comprehensive set of key health marker. Use code TRIKOMES for a 10% discount.Try the Lumen device to optimize your metabolism for weight loss or athletic performance. Use code MIND for 10% off.Learn all the ways you can support my efforts

Learn Time Travel Online: https://www.udemy.com/course/time-travel/?referralCode=75A0CD67A06929D40550   Purchase Acid Quote Tees on Etsy: https://acidquotetees.etsy.com/   Related terms: Meditation. Awareness. Developmental Psychology. Philosophy of Mind. Psychedelics. Active Meditation. World Religion. Comparative Religion Studies. Archetypal Psychology. Eric Berne Psychology. Ken Wilber. Greek Philosophy. Speaking with God. The Dosta Method. Terrence Mckenna. Christianity. Islam. Buddhism. Taoism. Social Sciences. Sociology. Anthropology. Noosphere. Theosphere. Theology. Monotheism. New Atheism. Sam Harris. Richard Dawkins. Christopher Hitchens. Therapy. Family Therapy. Family Constellations. Counselling. Motivational Psychology. Self-help. Personal Power. The Power of Now. Ram Dass. Osho. Rupert Spira. Adyashanti. Krishnamurti. Personal Transformation. Transcendental Meditation. Socrates. Plato. Aristotle. Kant. Hagle. Bertrand Russel. Dostoevsky. Jordan Peterson. Tony Robins. Zen Mastery. Spirituality. Oriental Philosophy. Eastern Mysticism. Kabir. Zarathustra. Rinzai. Sadhguru. Enlightenment. Be here now. Home School. Autodidactic.

Learn Time Travel Online: https://www.udemy.com/course/time-travel/?referralCode=75A0CD67A06929D40550   Purchase Acid Quote Tees on Etsy: https://acidquotetees.etsy.com/   Related terms: Meditation. Awareness. Developmental Psychology. Philosophy of Mind. Psychedelics. Active Meditation. World Religion. Comparative Religion Studies. Archetypal Psychology. Eric Berne Psychology. Ken Wilber. Greek Philosophy. Speaking with God. The Dosta Method. Terrence Mckenna. Christianity. Islam. Buddhism. Taoism. Social Sciences. Sociology. Anthropology. Noosphere. Theosphere. Theology. Monotheism. New Atheism. Sam Harris. Richard Dawkins. Christopher Hitchens. Therapy. Family Therapy. Family Constellations. Counselling. Motivational Psychology. Self-help. Personal Power. The Power of Now. Ram Dass. Osho. Rupert Spira. Adyashanti. Krishnamurti. Personal Transformation. Transcendental Meditation. Socrates. Plato. Aristotle. Kant. Hagle. Bertrand Russel. Dostoevsky. Jordan Peterson. Tony Robins. Zen Mastery. Spirituality. Oriental Philosophy. Eastern Mysticism. Kabir. Zarathustra. Rinzai. Sadhguru. Enlightenment. Be here now. Home School. Autodidactic.

Spoštovani, krščanski Bog se dobesedno ponuja grešnemu človeku in tako rekoč brska po košu človekovega umazanega perila, pa ne zato, da bi nas poniževal in sramotil, ampak zato, ker komaj čaka priliko, da nas preobleče v nova in čista oblačila. Neki slikar je iskal človeka, ki naj bi mu služil kot model, medtem ko bi slikal podobo izgubljenega sina iz Jezusove zgodbe, ki je odšel od očeta v daljni svet in je postal potepuh. Slikar je na ulici srečal raztrganega in umazanega berača in ga zaprosil, naj pride v njegov slikarski atelje, za kar mu je obljubil ustrezno plačilo. Dogovorjeno uro je berač res prišel, vendar urejen, obrit in lepo oblečen. Slikar ga je vprašal: »Kdo pa ste vi?« Možak je dogovoril: »Jaz sem berač, ki ste ga povabili v atelje. Mislil sem, da je bolje, če se umijem, uredim in lepo oblečem, preden me naslikate.« Slikar mu je odvrnil: »Žal mi je. Takšen mi več ne ustrezate.« Spoštovani, k Bogu pridimo takšni, kakršni smo. Nič bolj ne gane Božjega srca kot naše priznanje, da se sami ne moremo rešiti. Običajno se za Boga polepšamo, da bi nanj naredili vtis, ga navdušili, dobili njegovo pozornost, naklonjenost in zaslúženje. Pozabljamo, da so naši grehi gorivo za Božjo ljubezen. Naš največji greh je ta, da nočemo biti grešniki. Kajti nihče ne bo prišel v nebesa zato, ker je dober, ampak zato, ker je Bog dober. Žal smo Evropejci na to pozabili. Slišal sem, da je Evropejec, ki se je sprehajal ob potoku, vprašal Afričana, kako ocenjuje krščanstvo v Evropi. Afričan je vzel iz potoka kamen in ga z drugim kamnom razbil, nato pa rekel: »Vidiš, kamen je zunaj moker, znotraj pa suh. Tako jaz ocenjujem evropsko krščanstvo. Srce večine ljudi ni spremenjeno. Tako kot se voda ni dotaknila notranjosti kamna, se tudi Bog ni dotaknil src večine ljudi, čeprav je zakoreninjen v duši vsakega človeka. Po moji oceni ste nepotešeni in tako nesrečni zato, ker odklanjate Boga.« Katastrofe v svetu poosebljajo vse, kar delamo narobe v odnosu do Boga, ljudi in narave, zato prosimo Boga, da bi imeli srce, ki je dovzetno za Boga. Ne pozabimo, da smo stalno na bojišču izbire med svojim suženjstvom in svobodo. Molimo za naš planet, ki je naš skupni dom, in je v resni preizkušnji zaradi našega požrešnega plenjenja. Zahodna civilizacija je namreč kot nabita pištola, ki je usmerjena v glavo našega planeta (Terrence McKenna).

Spoštovani, krščanski Bog se dobesedno ponuja grešnemu človeku in tako rekoč brska po košu človekovega umazanega perila, pa ne zato, da bi nas poniževal in sramotil, ampak zato, ker komaj čaka priliko, da nas preobleče v nova in čista oblačila. Neki slikar je iskal človeka, ki naj bi mu služil kot model, medtem ko bi slikal podobo izgubljenega sina iz Jezusove zgodbe, ki je odšel od očeta v daljni svet in je postal potepuh. Slikar je na ulici srečal raztrganega in umazanega berača in ga zaprosil, naj pride v njegov slikarski atelje, za kar mu je obljubil ustrezno plačilo. Dogovorjeno uro je berač res prišel, vendar urejen, obrit in lepo oblečen. Slikar ga je vprašal: »Kdo pa ste vi?« Možak je dogovoril: »Jaz sem berač, ki ste ga povabili v atelje. Mislil sem, da je bolje, če se umijem, uredim in lepo oblečem, preden me naslikate.« Slikar mu je odvrnil: »Žal mi je. Takšen mi več ne ustrezate.« Spoštovani, k Bogu pridimo takšni, kakršni smo. Nič bolj ne gane Božjega srca kot naše priznanje, da se sami ne moremo rešiti. Običajno se za Boga polepšamo, da bi nanj naredili vtis, ga navdušili, dobili njegovo pozornost, naklonjenost in zaslúženje. Pozabljamo, da so naši grehi gorivo za Božjo ljubezen. Naš največji greh je ta, da nočemo biti grešniki. Kajti nihče ne bo prišel v nebesa zato, ker je dober, ampak zato, ker je Bog dober. Žal smo Evropejci na to pozabili. Slišal sem, da je Evropejec, ki se je sprehajal ob potoku, vprašal Afričana, kako ocenjuje krščanstvo v Evropi. Afričan je vzel iz potoka kamen in ga z drugim kamnom razbil, nato pa rekel: »Vidiš, kamen je zunaj moker, znotraj pa suh. Tako jaz ocenjujem evropsko krščanstvo. Srce večine ljudi ni spremenjeno. Tako kot se voda ni dotaknila notranjosti kamna, se tudi Bog ni dotaknil src večine ljudi, čeprav je zakoreninjen v duši vsakega človeka. Po moji oceni ste nepotešeni in tako nesrečni zato, ker odklanjate Boga.« Katastrofe v svetu poosebljajo vse, kar delamo narobe v odnosu do Boga, ljudi in narave, zato prosimo Boga, da bi imeli srce, ki je dovzetno za Boga. Ne pozabimo, da smo stalno na bojišču izbire med svojim suženjstvom in svobodo. Molimo za naš planet, ki je naš skupni dom, in je v resni preizkušnji zaradi našega požrešnega plenjenja. Zahodna civilizacija je namreč kot nabita pištola, ki je usmerjena v glavo našega planeta (Terrence McKenna).

Emerson Dameron's Carnal Candyland is a sexy and philosophical Bite-Sized Erotic Thriller from the strange world of Competitive Psychedelic Cheerleading. Candy is the world's most present and passionate psychedelic cheerleader... until her ex's cynical machinations get her booted from the squad. When she opts for a synesthetic vision quest, it's clear her adventure is only beginning.Inspired by Voltaire, Terry Southern, Terrence McKenna, and you.This story exists in three mixes:This one right hereAnother one available on BandcampA third will premiere on the next proper episode of Emerson Dameron's Medicated Minutes, S5E7: The Best of All Possible Eyes Without a Face.Words and music by Emerson Dameron, host of Emerson Dameron's Medicated Minutes, the only avant-garde personal development program that matters, as well as the home of the Bite-Sized Erotic Thrillers. I love you, personally. Levity saves lives.Support the Show.Support the show directly, or get exclusive goodies via Bandcamp.

Learn Time Travel Online: https://www.udemy.com/course/time-travel/?referralCode=75A0CD67A06929D40550   Purchase Acid Quote Tees on Etsy: https://acidquotetees.etsy.com/   Related terms: Meditation. Awareness. Developmental Psychology. Philosophy of Mind. Psychedelics. Active Meditation. World Religion. Comparative Religion Studies. Archetypal Psychology. Eric Berne Psychology. Ken Wilber. Greek Philosophy. Speaking with God. The Dosta Method. Terrence Mckenna. Christianity. Islam. Buddhism. Taoism. Social Sciences. Sociology. Anthropology. Noosphere. Theosphere. Theology. Monotheism. New Atheism. Sam Harris. Richard Dawkins. Christopher Hitchens. Therapy. Family Therapy. Family Constellations. Counselling. Motivational Psychology. Self-help. Personal Power. The Power of Now. Ram Dass. Osho. Rupert Spira. Adyashanti. Krishnamurti. Personal Transformation. Transcendental Meditation. Socrates. Plato. Aristotle. Kant. Hagle. Bertrand Russel. Dostoevsky. Jordan Peterson. Tony Robins. Zen Mastery. Spirituality. Oriental Philosophy. Eastern Mysticism. Kabir. Zarathustra. Rinzai. Sadhguru. Enlightenment. Be here now. Home School. Autodidactic.

Closing out this series of chakric journeying accompanied by readings from, That's Just Reality, we explore the awareness of cycles, the number 7, and entropy. Becoming aware of the cyclical nature of Reality, allows us to move with grace as we see all deaths are portals into new life. The process of this book revealed to me the connection of cyclical thinking with the number 7. Throughout mythologies, religions, cosmologies, and science, the number seven clearly represents the journey from seed, expansion, and back to transformation. This brings up the fallacy of the second law of thermodynamics, entropy...Spiral Revival's InstagramAlai's InstagramThat's Just Reality bookMuch love & blessings, Alaï Margarita Canyon Miel'aqua Malaika Delmaré Zaela Starshine

Learn Time Travel Online: https://www.udemy.com/course/time-travel/?referralCode=75A0CD67A06929D40550   Purchase Acid Quote Tees on Etsy: https://acidquotetees.etsy.com/   Related terms: Meditation. Awareness. Developmental Psychology. Philosophy of Mind. Psychedelics. Active Meditation. World Religion. Comparative Religion Studies. Archetypal Psychology. Eric Berne Psychology. Ken Wilber. Greek Philosophy. Speaking with God. The Dosta Method. Terrence Mckenna. Christianity. Islam. Buddhism. Taoism. Social Sciences. Sociology. Anthropology. Noosphere. Theosphere. Theology. Monotheism. New Atheism. Sam Harris. Richard Dawkins. Christopher Hitchens. Therapy. Family Therapy. Family Constellations. Counselling. Motivational Psychology. Self-help. Personal Power. The Power of Now. Ram Dass. Osho. Rupert Spira. Adyashanti. Krishnamurti. Personal Transformation. Transcendental Meditation. Socrates. Plato. Aristotle. Kant. Hagle. Bertrand Russel. Dostoevsky. Jordan Peterson. Tony Robins. Zen Mastery. Spirituality. Oriental Philosophy. Eastern Mysticism. Kabir. Zarathustra. Rinzai. Sadhguru. Enlightenment. Be here now. Home School. Autodidactic.

Mmmmm lalalalala throaaattt chakra. This time is all about getting clear on our discipline, discernment, and boundaries for the sake of keeping our channel clear for divine expression. We can only operate from our highest place when we aren't being depleted - and only we can set the boundaries on that which does so. It's supportive to create a safe space for playful exploration where these blocks can arise and be worked with. So line up your stuffed animals on your bed and put on a show. Spiral Revival's InstagramAlai's InstagramThat's Just Reality bookMuch love & blessings, Alaï Margarita Canyon Miel'aqua Malaika Delmaré Zaela Starshine

The most important shift of the chakric journey is that from the solar plexus to the heart; the lower chakras to the higher. When the double helix's wave begins to come back in on itself - towards unity. I feel we entered the heart chakra energies on May 1 - Beltane. This solar plexus time was a very confronting energy and moving into the heart is allowing us to integrate what has come up in a centered way. Seeing past differences. Grounding into our ability to expand our sense of altruism. Bringing conscious awareness into our inner dialogue so we may face that which secretly controls our disposition - keeping us in delusion! lolSpiral Revival's InstagramAlai's InstagramThat's Just Reality bookMuch love & blessings, Alaï Margarita Canyon Miel'aqua Malaika Delmaré Zaela Starshine

Welcome back to The Trip Report Podcast, a production of Beckley Waves, a Psychedelic Venture Studio.Today, we have the privilege of speaking with Bruce Damer, a distinguished astrobiologist from the University of California, Santa Cruz. He is also the Director and Chief Scientist at the BIOTA Institute and the co-founder and president of the Center for MINDS, which stands for the Multidisciplinary Investigation Into Novel Discoveries & Solutions.Bruce is most well known for the Hot Spring Hypothesis for an Origin of Life. This groundbreaking theory challenges the conventional belief that life on Earth began in the oceans, suggesting instead that it emerged from hot springs. Important for our conversation today and for the work that the Center for MINDS is initiating, the hot spring hypothesis came to Bruce during an Ayahuasca ceremony.The Center for MINDS is a non-profit organization co-founded by Bruce and colleagues to investigate the potential of psychedelics and mindfulness practices to catalyze states of creativity for innovative problem-solving in science, engineering, leadership, design, and other fields. MINDS is sponsoring the research and development of new protocols, facilitating public discourse, and supporting community education, with the goal of finding solutions to some of humanity's greatest challenges.This project is inspired by research that was abruptly halted in the 1960s—which was studying the use of mescaline for promoting technical breakthroughs—along with Bruce's own experience with the hot spring hypothesis.In this conversation, we discuss:* Bruce's introduction to psilocybin from none other than Terrence Mckenna;* How his Ayahuasca and breath work experiences revealed to him the biochemistry of the origin of life;* The Center for MINDS origin story;* The practice of set, setting, and set up—where set up is the crucial ingredient for creative breakthrough;* The research programs and community building he is spearheading with the Center for MINDS; * Endotripping: a term Bruce coined to describe the exploration of the mind without drugs; * And much more.And now, I bring you my conversation with Bruce Damer.Listen to the episode on Substack, Spotify, Google or Apple.Credits:* Hosted by Zach Haigney * Produced by Zach Haigney, Erin Greenhouse, and Katelin Jabbari* Find us at thetripreport.com* Follow us on Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn and YouTubeTheme music by MANCHO Sounds, Mixed and Mastered by Rollin Weary This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.thetripreport.com

Who among us hasn't had apocalyptic visions with a head full of mushrooms? Terrence sure did. This week we're looking at one of the pillars of the legendary psychedelic evangelist's cosmology: Timewave Zero. After Terrence McKenna and his brother Dennis had their noggins rocked by psilocybe cubensis mushrooms in Colombia, Terrence returned from the jungle with "some funny ideas," ideas around a self-similar fractal waveform, calculated through doing fancy wizard math on the I-Ching, the ancient Chinese divination system. According to McKenna the resulting waveform could be overlayed on top of human history and showed a steady, relentless march towards a point of infinite novelty, infinite newness, the eschaton. And this eschaton, according to Mckanna, was set to arrive "on time and under budget" on...December 21, 2012. Spoiler alert: it didn't. But that doesn't make the ideas within Timewave Zero any less relevant, worth talking about, or poetically true. And hey, maybe the apocalypse did happen in 2012 and this is all just our hallucinatory death dream. You really never know.  Increase the density of novelty in our lives by joining our Patreon. You'll get access to bonus episodes, our patron Discord server, and you'll keep The Nonsense Bazaar ad-free. All for just $5 a month! https://patreon.com/thenonsensebazaar

Episode Notes As we wrap up our deep dive into the third issue of (California) UFO Magazine, we find ourselves knee-deep in tales of UFO talk at the Whole Life Expo. Then, we're off to the wilderness where we make contact with the elusive families of Space Sasquatches. Next, we take a philosophical detour with a mind-bending column by the one and only Terrence McKenna. And then, drumroll, please, we look at a review of Strieber's "Communion". which at the time was so fresh off the presses, you could practically smell the ink. And finally, we explore the dolphin-alien connection, complete with dolphin channelling. Subscribe to our Patreon for bonus episodes, behind the scenes action, and more! Website Twitter Instagram Facebook

Jim talks with Bruce Damer about the new Center for MINDS and the ideas in his essay "Downloads from the Modern Dawn of Psychedelics." They discuss alternate ways psychedelics could have been introduced, Aldous Huxley & Humphry Osmond's speculative Outsight project, convergent vs divergent thinking, Bruce's mushroom trip with Terrence McKenna, concrescence into novelty, the stoned ape theory, the unreported influence of psychedelics on breakthroughs, Bruce's coming-out as a psychedelics user, psychedelic-assisted innovation, Bruce's naturally trippy brain, endogenous tripping, the Eleusinian Mysteries, the late Bronze Age collapse, the possibility that hallucinogens powered civilization, alcohol & the poison path, the decline in breakthrough research, the disincentivization of grand thinking, how the Center for Minds is beginning research via surveys, Jim's use of occasional heavy doses of THC, Bruce's set, setting & setup approach, finding the others, MDMA-assisted psychotherapy, the state of ketamine research, and much more. Episode Transcript "Downloads from the Modern Dawn of Psychedelics," by Bruce Damer Center for MINDS Center for MINDS Survey Currents 091: Bruce Damer on Psychedelics as Tools for Discovery The Immortality Key: Uncovering the Secret History of the Religion With No Name, by Brian Muraresku Dr. Bruce Damer is Canadian-American multidisciplinary scientist, designer, and author. In his role as a world-renowned Astrobiologist at the UC Santa Cruz Department of Biomolecular Engineering, Dr. Damer collaborates with colleagues developing and testing a new scenario for the origin of life on Earth and where it might arise in the universe. As a designer he has provided innovative spacecraft architectures to NASA and others which could provide a viable path for the expansion of life and human civilization beyond the Earth.

On this episode, my guests are and of the Podcast.Clementine Morrigan is a writer and public intellectual based in Montréal, Canada. She writes popular and controversial essays about culture, politics, ethics, relationships, sexuality, and trauma. A passionate believer in independent media, she's been making zines since the year 2000 and is the author of several books. She's known for her iconic white-text-on-a-black-background mini-essays on Instagram. One of the leading voices on the Canadian Left and one half of the F*****g Cancelled podcast, Clementine is an outspoken critic of cancel culture and a proponent of building solidarity across difference. She is a socialist, a feminist, and a vegan for the animals and the earth.Jay is a writer, artist and designer from Montreal and is the author of the Substack jaylesoleil.com and the zine series What Else Is There to Live For. Jay is also the co-host of F*****g Cancelled.Show Notes:Clementine & Jay's TravelsThe NexusIdentitarianism and Identity PoliticsGentrification & SolidarityHow Nationalism Leaks into the LeftThe Contradictions of IdentitarianismFreedom, Limits and GuesthoodBorders and BiomesThe Quest for Offline CommunitiesRadical & Reciprocal HospitalityAuthenticityHomework:Clementine's SubstackJay's Substack (including Dumplings & Domination)Clementine's ShopJay's StoreF*****g Cancelled ShopF*****g Cancelled PodcastTranscriptChris: [00:00:00] Welcome to the pod, Clementine and Jay. It's an honor to have you both here today. Each of your work both individually and together has been a great influence on mine and definitely eye-opening and if I can say so much needed in our time. So thank you for joining me. Jay: Thank you, man. Thanks for having us.Clementine: Thanks for having us.Chris: So, I'd like to start, if we can, by asking you both where you find yourselves today and what the world looks like for you through each of your eyes.Jay: Well, we both find ourselves in Montreal which is where we live. I was working in homeless shelters for years and then I got let go cause I tried to unionize the one I was working at. Actually I succeeded in unionizing the one I was working at. And they mysteriously did not have any money to renew my contract after that.And yeah, so I'm writing and I just launched a new solo podcast about like world history outside of the West. And so I've been working on that. It's called [00:01:00] dumplings and domination, which are two things that human beings love. And Yeah, so that's, that's what I'm up to. Clementine: Yeah, so I'm also, yeah, I find myself in Montreal, in the snow, and I guess, relevant to the topics of this podcast one of the things I'm grappling with now is my perpetual existence as a unilingual anglophone in the city of Montreal, which is a bilingual city, but it's a French city, like.Actually. And I'm planning on having a child and I'm planning to have this child here. And so I'm facing the dilemma of being like an English speaker whose child is not going to just be an English speaker. And so I really need to learn French, basically. So this is my struggle, because being 37 and only speaking one language my entire life, it's like super hard to learn another language.And I've really, really struggled. A couple times I've made an attempt to learn French, and it's like really [00:02:00] frustrating, but that is one of the things I'm grappling with. I feel like it's relevant to the podcast, because in many ways, even though I've lived in Montreal for like almost seven years, there's a way in which I still am kind of like a tourist here, because I haven't learned the language.So, will I complete my transition into becoming Quebecois? Chris: Yeah, maybe so. Jay: Only time will tell. Chris: I was just reading this biography of Ivan Illich, who's like was an Austrian philosopher and he said that like trying to learn a new language, especially if you're immersed in the place is the greatest measure or degree of poverty that one can undertake because of the degree of dependence that they have on other people and not just dependence, but like dependence on their hospitality, assuming it exists in order to, you know, be able to understand what you're saying and communicate in that way. Clementine: Like Montreal is interesting because at least in the neighborhood that I live and in many places in [00:03:00] Montreal, it's functionally bilingual. So it's not like learning in an immersive environment as if you went somewhere and everybody's speaking that language.So you kind of just have to or you won't be able to communicate. Like you have to learn here. You know, when I'm fumbling around trying to speak French, people just start speaking English to me because even if they're a francophone, like, at least in the neighborhoods where I live, most people are bilingual, and they speak better English than I do French, so they will accommodate me, which is polite of them, and also, It does not help me learn, you know?Jay: Whereas the government of Quebec will not accommodate you. Clementine: No, the government will not accommodate you at all. And so, like, it's only in circumstances where, like, I desperately need to understand where, like, there's no, there's absolutely no accommodation. So. Chris: And that kind of touches on my next question, which is, you know, in terms of the travels that you two have.Has there been that degree of poverty elsewhere? I mean, I imagine you might have traveled to other places maybe in Canada, maybe elsewhere. [00:04:00] What have your travels taught you each, if anything, about the world, about your lives, about culture? Jay: Yeah. I had kind of an unusual relationship with travel.Because as a kid, I moved to a different country every like three or four years cause of my parents work. And so, yeah, I grew up like in Asia and not just like dipping into a place and then like leaving right away but spending years of my life in each country. Right. And like learning the languages and stuff.And so, yeah, I think that was a quite an unusual way to kind of experience travel as a kid. And I think that it did definitely have a lot of impact on me. Because I think that travel in general, I think is a wonderful and amazing thing, you know, which is why people like to do it. And it can be really profound for your mind and your understanding of the world and of other people, you know but obviously there's travel and then there's [00:05:00] travel.I feel really grateful that I was able to see so much of the world by living there, you know and I think that it was really important for me in my kind of embodied understanding that other people and other parts of the world are, you know, just as real and just as important and just as embedded in history as I am and as like the people are in my passport country, which happens to be Canada, you know?Clementine: Yeah. I've traveled a little bit, but I think for me, like, When I was young, I was too crazy to travel, you know, and I truly mean that, like I have complex PTSD and like as much as my life was so chaotic and like really, like, you know, on F*****g Cancelled, Jay and I talk about how we're both alcoholics in recovery, like, When I was drinking, I always wanted to be someone who traveled, and my life was very, like, chaotic and full of violence and danger and all those types of things, but the PTSD made it really hard to do [00:06:00] anything because I was always scared, you know and being a woman traveling... like, in recovery, I've wanted to try to travel more, but the combination of one being a woman traveling alone, it does come with certain risks to it.You're more vulnerable in certain ways and then add that to the PTSD. It's like... it's super anxiety producing, you know, so it's something that I've done a little bit but not as much as I would have liked to and I guess we'll see like what the future holds with that. One thing is is that like I learned to drive pretty late.I learned to drive in my 30s and once I learned to drive going on road trips was actually a way that really opened up travel for me because having my car with me gave me this sense of like safety, basically, that I could leave a situation like I was there with my car. So I had like the independence to like not be dependent on like strangers because I was afraid of them basically.But we went on a podcast tour last [00:07:00] year and drove like all across the United States in like a month and like drove down to like Arizona and like back up the West coast. And like, that was really, really cool. Chris: Beautiful. Thank you both. And so, you know, it might seem a little strange for you two to be invited on a podcast about tourism, migration, hospitality given that, you know, perhaps on the surface of things, your work doesn't appear to center around such things, but I've asked you both to speak with me today, in part, because I see a lot of parallels between what you've both referred to as the nexus in your work and what I refer to as the, a touristic worldview. And so to start, I'm wondering if you two could explain for our listeners, what the nexus is and its three main pillars.Clementine: So, in shorthand, or in, like, common language, you might call it social justice culture. There's a lot of different ways that this culture has been talked about but it's a particular [00:08:00] way of doing politics on the left, or left of center. And. Like, Jay and I come from inside this culture, so we are coming from inside social justice culture, being, like, leftists and being queer people and having existed in, like, progressive social justicey spaces for our entire adult lives, basically.And basically, we're noticing that there wasn't really language to talk about some of the phenomenons that were happening inside social justice culture or even, you know, social justice culture itself doesn't really give itself a name. Like we can call it social justice culture or we could call it something else, but it doesn't really have a name that it like claims for itself.It basically describes itself as like just doing politics or like being morally correct, you know, right? Yeah, being right. So we just started using the nexus as kind of like a placeholder for talking about a phenomenon that like doesn't really have a name. And we were trying to describe like this social phenomenon that we were totally [00:09:00] immersed in that there wasn't really language to describe. And we pulled out like three components that we saw interacting with each other to produce this phenomenon that we were calling the Nexus. And those pillars or components would be cancel culture, social media, and identitarianism. So, you maybe want to say more. Jay: Yeah, and we were just noticing how like when those three components were interacting on the left, you know they were producing a kind of like fourth thing that we were calling the Nexus and it's just like cancel culture was kind of this, you know, this culture of disposability and very sort of like intense acrimony functioned to sort of like boundary the whole thing and to keep, you know, certain views out and keep certain views in and sort of like establish the boundaries of what was thinkable or not.And the identitarianism provided the sort of ideological underpinning of the whole thing, like a way of making sense of the world, a [00:10:00] way of thinking about any problem and any issue, you know? And then social media was kind of the medium in which it was all taking place. And that was providing a lot of the kind of like the scaffolding of what it ended up looking like.Yeah. Does that make sense? Chris: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you both. And so I like to start then if I can with with identitarianism and you know as it pertains to, I guess, the end of tourism podcast and the way I've come to understand it is that to be a tourist isn't just to be a foreigner, but a stranger to the place one inhabits.And so in this sense, I feel that people can be tourists in their own homes and to a large degree the housing crisis, among many others seems to enable and ennoble this, you know, people know that they won't be able to afford a rent increase. And so they don't bother getting to know their neighbors or participating in the community.And beyond that community is often described in demographic terms, you know, the black community, the queer community, et cetera. But rarely [00:11:00] anymore in terms of the diverse people that you actually live beside or near. And so, for me, this is where tourism not only hits home, but is kind of unveiled as maybe beginning at home.You know, it's not just an industry, but something akin to a lifestyle or culture, as you said, Jay, of disposability. And so in this context, what I understand is identitarianism seems to enable this kind of touristic mentality of not needing to think of myself as a person of consequence in my building or in my neighborhood because I'll be out of here in another year or two anyway, right?And so I'm curious what you think of this idea and whether you think that identitarianism is a consequence of these crises that exist today, like the housing crisis, like landlordism, for example. Jay: Yeah, I definitely think it's all connected.And I think that I think that a huge part of all of this, right, is accelerating alienation that people are experiencing under the [00:12:00] dominant form of neoliberal capitalism. And alienation just describes this deep embodied sense of disconnection from oneself, from one's work and from one's fellows.And this is a concept that goes all the way back to Marx and before him even, you know, but Marx, I think correctly identified that capitalism had a mechanism within it that amplified this, this sense and created more of it. And I think that as we hurdle down the path of neoliberal apocalypse, we're sort of like more and more exposed to the sense of alienation.And so what does that mean? It means that we end up feeling like we don't know who we are. We don't know where we are. We don't know who the people around us are. We're just sort of floating, we're atomized, you know. We don't have roots or the connections that we do have feel fleeting and shallow.You know, and it produces obviously a deep sense of like misery in a lot of people, [00:13:00] whether they know it or not, I would say. But it also produces a longing for connections that feel real and that feel authentic. And I think that the turn towards identitarianism that has become more and more apparent over the last like decade or so both on the left and the right because I think that the rise of like the alt right, for example, was very much an identitarian movement as well. Yeah, it's that, that pivot towards identitarianism is a consequence of people feeling like they have no connections and they really want connections. They want to feel embedded in something, you know and so they're looking for other forms of community that they can belong to other than the communities that they actually live in, you know, because those communities that they actually live in have started to feel so disconnected and illusory, right?I do have more to say about the concept of like authenticity and all of this, which I think is like really foundational to tourism. But I will pass the mic. Well, I feel like we're probably going to get [00:14:00] into it later. Clementine: Okay. Well, yeah. So I mean, I think when talking about identitarianism, it's useful to make the distinction between identitarianism and identity politics.And we make that distinction on the podcast, but in case listeners aren't really familiar with the term identitarianism, I think it's useful for us to be a little bit clear about what we mean. And basically, identitarianism is distinct from identity politics. So, identity politics is just basically saying that identity matters when we're thinking about what is affecting people's lives, right?And when we're organizing politics, when we're trying to think of solutions where we can make the world better, identity is going to play a role. And that just means we're acknowledging that things like racism exists, homophobia exists, like, sexism exists, that the ways that our lives are shaped are impacted by identity.And like, we agree with that, we're not against that, as a framework. But identitarianism takes identity politics to a new place, where it basically does two main things to it. One, it [00:15:00] acts as if identity groups are homogenous, or share, like, very intense essential qualities, you know? So, when you make a statement, like, the BIPOC community thinks this.You're being identitarian and you're also being essentialist because you're actually making a statement in which you're saying that billions of people share a view, which is incorrect and also, like, very disrespectful to the vast diversity of thought that exists within any identity group, right? So it's actually like, it's an expression of essentialism and this belief that, like identity groups share essential qualities.And it erases, like, the vast political differences and personal differences that don't exist always within any identity group. And then secondly, Identitarianism acts as if identity is the primary or only way that power functions. So when we're trying to understand, like, what is wrong with the world, and what is going on, and why are we all suffering?Identitarianism [00:16:00] encourages us to look first, and maybe only, at identity as the way in which power is divided and organized. And so, in this way, you know, we have people, like basically collecting identity points. And what I mean by that is, like, adding up their various identities to try to understand their lives and their access to power.So people will be like, okay, I have these identities that are considered marginalized identities, and then I have these identities that are considered privileged identities. And so if I do some math, I'll be able to figure out where I stand in terms of power, right? And this is a total oversimplification of the way that power works.Identity is probably impacting your life in various ways. and may have a role in like your access to power, but it is not the only thing, and it's not as simple as just adding and subtracting to try to figure this out, and many, many things are lost when we are only using identity as the way to understand power, and so like when you're talking about, I just want to say that like that what you said [00:17:00] about people moving, I think is really fascinating because I moved like every year or two years.My entire, like actually I kind of haven't stopped because I've only lived where I currently live for like just about two years. So, I've basically been doing that since I was 16. I'm 37. Wow. Chris: Wow. Wow. Clementine: You know, and like, I don't mean cities, but I mean neighborhoods and at least apartments, you know, and actually my current neighborhood I've lived in probably the longest that I've ever lived anywhere but I've still moved several times and I've managed to stay in the same neighborhood, but like over the course of my teenage years, all my entire twenties and into my thirties, like, I was just constantly moving.And, you know, I, I had a sense of place in terms of the city I lived in. Like, I was living in Toronto for most of for my twenties. But I lived all over that f*****g city. Like, all over that city. You know, I didn't live in any particular neighborhood. And so because of that, like, I didn't really have that sense of like place and like there wasn't really a point in knowing my neighbors because it's true. I was going to [00:18:00] be moving and I knew that and so that is like a material reality that is being structured by capitalism and by landlords and rent and not having enough money and not having housing security.And identitarianism isn't really helping me to understand that, right? Like I can't really make sense of that experience if my only lens that I'm looking at the situation with is identity. And that's just like one example, but there's many, many things that, identity as if it's our only frame is not going to help us to understand.Jay: Or like it, it might help you feel like you understand it, but it's probably not going to give you a very good explanation, you know clear picture. Yeah, it's like there's this word that I stumbled across recently. I think it's like "monocausotaxophilia" I'm pretty sure is what it is and it's like the it's like the obsessive belief that like one there's like one answer for everything or like one thing can help you explain everything and it's it's like a common like logical fallacy that humans fall into, where like we just we discover something that really seems like it's right and then we're [00:19:00] like this can explain everything we can just apply this to everything, you know, and I think that identitarianism is like a an excellent example of this tendency that humans have Chris: Yeah.Wow. Kind of monotheism for politics, I guess. It's fascinating for me because I see a lot of these identitarianist dynamics play out in the context of tourist cities and the one that I lived in, still live around, just not in anymore.And then of course the people that I interview who deal with over tourism and of course all the crises that come with it. And so You know, like in the early pandemic, for example, in places like Oaxaca or Medellin in Colombia, for example, they suddenly became hotspots for digital nomads and other tourist escapees.And the consequences of over tourism in these places already existed, but once travel restrictions had [00:20:00] dropped and vaccines were doled out, places like this, and maybe the more obvious ones like Bali or Hawaii or Barcelona those consequences exploded and, you know, the number of visitors skyrocketed. And so both local people and foreigners opened Airbnb after Airbnb, and this is kind of what ended up happening in a lot of places in the, in the course of, you know, a couple of years essentially deepening the economic and social divisions in those places. And so what we've seen is that people simply tend to point their finger at the tourists, at the foreigner, ignoring the economic and political issues that affect these things.And so, what's arisen on the internet at least have been faceless social media accounts basically cancelling tourists or foreigners for you know anything you can think of for being cheap, people complaining about prices on their YouTube video or whatever, and others criticizing local cultures for X Y Z Zed pardon me and some Some who [00:21:00] refuse to, like, to speak the local language, for example, all of which, you know, constitutes bad behavior.And even still, like, other people, foreigners who become landlords in their new homes, right, who move to another country and just, you know, rent a nice place and then put it on Airbnb or something. And so, I'm curious about the individual? And why do you think, in so many of these cases, especially in regards to people who claim to be leftists or anarchists or radicals, that the focus is squarely put on individuals or individual behavior as opposed to the conditions or systems that created that behavior?Jay: Oh yeah, I mean, we've become like ludicrously unable to actually look at structural causes of anything in a way that allows us to formulate policy and work towards policy. Like, I think that like one of the major like failings of the left currently is that it is, especially in like the Anglo world, like completely f*****g unmoored from policy.I think in the US there's like a really [00:22:00] obvious reason for that, which is that there is, you know, no political party that's even remotely. So the idea that you could, that you could have policy that you like is sort of like nonsense to people in the first place. Right.So everything then becomes about either it would become either about individual behavior or about some sort of like more radical revolutionary option, you know but the radical revolutionary option doesn't exist. So it's all about the individual behavior. And a comparable situation is going on elsewhere in the Anglosphere as well where the sort of like political avenues for policymaking are severely lacking.So I think that there's this like strong, strong emphasis on the individual, on individual behavior, on moralizing on sort of angrily saying what should be true rather than working with like, you know, like reality. Yeah. Clementine: Yeah, I think that people, like, we haven't seen an effective left in our lifetime, like, you know, like we haven't seen the left making gains, like, for [00:23:00] millennials, like basically for our entire lives, you know?We haven't seen movements be successful, and so we feel very powerless. Like, there's a deep, deep sense of powerlessness in the face of capitalism and in the face of climate change and in the face of so many of the horrible conditions that we're living under, and we don't have a lot of evidence of things working, but we know we have the power to take down some individual person and publicly humiliate them and destroy their life.And so I think people get very addicted to that sense of power because it is like a balm to the abject helplessness that we feel under capitalism where we don't have a lot of power to really make the changes that we want to make, you know, but one of the things we're always talking about on the podcast is how cancel culture, while it provides this like temporary relief and this feeling like we're doing something like we have power.In fact, it erodes the very conditions that would allow us to have real power and the conditions that would allow us to have real power are solidarity. Right. Like, the one thing that the working class of the world [00:24:00] has that the capitalists don't is our numbers, right?Like, they have all the money and the use of force, you know? But we, there's just lots of us, and also we are the ones who make all their s**t. Like, or like, run their little online companies or whatever it is that they're doing now. Yeah, exactly. So, it's like literally the workers of the world are the ones who actually make capitalism run and there are no profits if the workers of the world organized and f*****g withdrew their labor, right? But currently, we don't have any conditions of like an organized working class movement that could actually threaten to do something like that. And so, there's no real avenue. Like unions have been like totally f*****g eroded there's no solidarity.There's no, like Workers movement that is being effective. I mean there are attempts at it like there was I don't know what happened with it because I'm off social media now, and I haven't been checking the news, but there was a gigantic like uprising of Bangladeshi textile workers who were like going on strike and like the police were trying to totally shut them down.I don't know what ended up happening kind of disappeared off my radar, but I think any movement for solidarity, you [00:25:00] know, cancel culture b******t aside, because honestly, it is such a distraction. Like it's annoying and it's a distraction would have to move towards like international solidarity.And I think that this is something that... we don't even have, like, solidarity, like, where we live, let alone solidarity, like, across the globe with workers in different places, you know? But under global capitalism, I think we're going to have to start looking with an internationalist lens and thinking about what would it look like to have the workers of the world actually uniting.Jay: Yeah. It reminds me of gentrification, you know? It's like, individual gentrifiers are sure like annoying, right? You know, people who sort of like don't belong there and are bringing their like annoying habits into the neighborhood or whatever, you know, and driving up prices and all this.But at the end of the day, this is like a structural issue that can only be solved by policy, right? You can't, you can't just sort of like be hostile towards gentrifiers and expect that to sort of like end up with anything other than you being angry and other people perhaps being frightened for like a couple of years until the [00:26:00] process of gentrification is complete.And I think that you know, there's like a similar thing with tourism, you know, I mean, tourism is just kind of like gentrification on like a, an international scale in a certain sense. Yeah. Chris: Yeah. Yeah. I mean here in Oaxaca, tourism is like 85 90 percent of the economy in the center of the city. And so it's all changing really quickly, wherein, people are sometimes hearing more English than Spanish in the streets, right? Not just in Oaxaca, but in other places as well. So there's this relative and understandable kind of resentment against the foreigner, but then when we have these gatherings and, you know, people ask me, well, like, "what should we do?" And I say, "well, go talk to the tourist, like, you can build solidarity with that person, even if it's by them understanding what's going on here, and maybe not coming back. As an extreme example, right. But what's also happened as a result, not just this waving or wagging the finger at the individual, but also in the context of identitarianism, reconvening the nation state.[00:27:00] And so my next question.. It kind of feeds off of the first and has to do with the effects or consequences of this kind of pseudo cancel culture that arises from tourism crises in places like Oaxaca and others. And so what you tend to see are locals identifying tourists or foreigners based on skin color.In Latin America, you know, the tourist is by and large the gringo, or the gringa, basically a white American. And what's happening as a result, especially among people who consider themselves, again, leftist or anarchist, is that they end up self identifying in opposition to the foreigner. And so what we see is an over identification, or what I will call anyways an over identification, with one's own skin color, class, and especially, especially now, nationality.And so, understanding the other as American means I'm Mexican or Colombian, or whatever, right? And I'm curious whether or not either of you consider [00:28:00] identitarianism to be a child of nationalism or how nationalism fits into these contemporary understandings of identitarianism.Jay: Right, right. Well, okay, I definitely have some thoughts about that for sure. I would say that like, nationalism is certainly one of the kind of original modern identities, right?And it was very much like crafted on purpose to be that, which I think that a lot of people don't know, unless they've like, you know, done like a sociology degree or something, but nationalism and the nation itself was like a modern invention created a couple of hundred years ago for specific political purposes, namely to unite quite disparate populations within at that time, mainly like European countries and to try to get the children of those people to think of themselves as like French instead of Breton, you know and to get them to speak French instead of Breton, right? As an example. And there is similar cases all over Europe. Anyways, that being aside, yes, like [00:29:00] nationalism certainly is like a form of identity and one of the most important forms of modern identity. I think that when we talk about identitarianism, often we end up not talking about nationalism very much because on the left, nationalism tends to be sort of like not the most important identity.It's one that you kind of downplay, especially if your nationality is one of the privileged Western rich nationalities, right? However, obviously if your nationality might you know get you points in, in whatever sort of like game you're playing, then you might, you might play it up.Clementine: Yeah, I have a couple things to say about this. I mean, one, the nexus or social justice culture, that we talk about on F*****g Cancelled, comes out of the United States of America. And the United States of America, they don't know that they're in the United States of America. So, Jay: This might be surprising to people because of the number of flags that are everywhere in America, but they don't know that they're in america.Clementine: They think they're just in the world. They think that that is the world, you know? And so, [00:30:00] there is this like, this lack of awareness or like basically they're not contextualizing what they're thinking and doing in an American context, even though it is, and then they're exporting that to the rest of the world, especially like English speaking places.But then it like leaks out from there. But it is an American way of understanding things based in an American context and an American history, right? And so you see this a lot with identitarianism where the popular framings and understandings around race, for example, that are going around social justice culture right now are specifically coming out of an American context and American constructions around race, and they don't map on perfectly to other contexts, but because it's being exported, because Americans are exporting their culture all over the world, we, in other places, are expected to just take it on and to start using that framework. And people do, but it doesn't really work properly. It doesn't really make sense in a different context. So that is a way in which like nation kind of disappears even though it is operating [00:31:00] in the way that identity is actually being shaped. Another thing that happens, and Jay and I were just talking about this for an upcoming episode. Another thing that happens is that because in North America anyway, like we don't really use nation as a category in identitarian thought, what ends up happening is that people actually racialize their national identity in a weird way to make it make sense in identitarianism. And so one of the ways that this can happen is that people from South America who are white, in a Northern American context, are sometimes racialized and considered people of color because they are not speaking like English as a first language, for example, or because there's cultural markers that are showing them as not North American, and so therefore they are impacted by various types of discrimination and so on and so forth, but in their context, they are actually racialized as white, but then in North [00:32:00] America, they may be racialized as non-white. And so this actually comes through like a I mean, first of all, it shows that race is like a made up category that can shift and be expressed in different ways.But also it is partially like the narcissism of North America that can't conceptualize difference, basically, and understand that, like, a person can actually be white and from South America and speak Spanish, for example. Jay: Which, like, this can also sometimes, we were joking about this, too, because it's true, like, this can also sometimes extend to people not being sure about, for example, like Portuguese people, and sort of like racializing Portuguese people on the basis of their sort of supposed affinity with like Latin America.⌘ Chris Christou ⌘ is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know, one thing that I want to mention too, you're just reminding me of this because of my research that you, that you mentioned is that like racialism, which is the idea that race is important and, and as a major identity category that people should care about a lot, let's put it that way, has often existed very [00:33:00] uneasily with nationalism.And so for a lot of like neo Nazis, they're not necessarily like opposed to nationalism, but they would, they would treat racial affinity with much more importance than they would a national affinity, especially when the national affinity is seen to have been kind of polluted by like foreign elements, for example, you know, and a big part of the national project has been to say that, like, we are all members of this national identity, sort of like, no matter who we are, blah, blah, blah. Right. And obviously some of us are more than others, right, is usually is how it's gone, but it tries to integrate like many different groups of people, including, you know, in the United States, for example, including like black Americans.Right. And, you know, the project of the integrated military, for example, has been a big part of the American national imaginary but if you're a white racist, you're not interested in a sort of national identity that, that includes black Americans as [00:34:00] well.Right. And this is also somewhat true on the left in different ways. But yeah, I'll just put that out there. Yeah. And then I guess the only other last thing I would like to say about this is that when we are anti essentialist and anti identitarian on the left, one of the things that, that like an anti racism that is rooted in an opposition to essentialism will argue and put forth is that race is a constructed and made up concept, right, which is something that I believe: race is not a real thing.It is like racism is real, but racism is based on the invention of this way of dividing up people based on race. And so there's a lot of anti essentialist leftists who are arguing this, but one thing that is important is to not confuse race, which is a made up category, with culture and ethnicity, which are real things, right?And one of the things, like, Jay and I have been talking about, and we're going to do an episode about this, or, like, related to these ideas, is, like, we actually care a lot about things, like, language protection, [00:35:00] culture protection, like the importance of people being able to keep and protect their cultural identities is like, it's a very important thing in respecting people's like human dignity.And in Canada, where colonialism has so thoroughly attacked indigenous Canadian people's cultures. They don't have their languages anymore. And like, Protecting language is, like, hugely important for people's mental health and well being, right? So, dividing those two things, that being, like saying race isn't real doesn't mean that we're not in favor of protecting culture and language.Yeah. Chris: Right, right, right. Of course. What's interesting about the, I guess, the reactions to overtourism here, it's not just that, Oh, the gringo is an American, so I'm a Mexican, but it's also racialized. It's also, okay. So who I see on the street, white people, and because I'm dark skinned, it reinforces those dualities, binaries, et cetera but it re-racializes local people, and in the context of Mexico [00:36:00] anyways the roots of their understandings of their racializedness, if I can say that comes from the imposition of race, of races, by the Spaniards, onto them, and saying this is who you are now, 400 years ago.Right? And so the new invasion, the tourism, right, is recapitulating that dynamic in ways in which people internalize the racial impositions that were put on them 400 years ago. Or their ancestors, right, I should say. So it's just mind boggling.Clementine: Yeah, I think, I think it's interesting though, right? Because how do we hold, like, the importance of culture and language and ethnicity while also acknowledging that those things were always shifting, changing, like, were never a static, constant thing, you know?That always included diversity, and within it, language is always changing and evolving. Culture is always changing and evolving, but also those things are real things that you can speak about and point to, and definitely notice when they'restolen from you or when you're no longer allowed to speak your language.Right. So yeah, like, I think we tend to go [00:37:00] to extremes. It's either like it doesn't exist or it's not important, or it's like a very essential, like static thing that has always only been one thing. Chris: Yeah, and also for a lack of history, right? I've been doing this investigation into Macedonian culture, ethnicity, history, etc, in part because my father is a first generation immigrant to Toronto, but from Agaean Macedonia and, you know, the Ottoman Empire was there controlling those lands for four or 500 years.And so the Ottomans were Muslim and the Macedonians weren't Macedonians to them, they were Christians. They were a Christian race, Mm-Hmm regardless of their language. And then when the Ottoman Empire fell, the Greeks and the Bulgarians ended up fighting over that territory, that land, that a lot of people considered to be Macedonian.And so the Greeks and the Bulgarians referred [00:38:00] to the Macedonians as the Macedonian race, no longer the Christian race, but the Macedonian race. So anyways, beyond that, once you get into the 20th century and start speaking in a global context, it's like, no, no, no, they're not the Macedonian race, they're a white race from Macedonia.And so, just this idea that race is inherently tied to skin color is very contemporary and it depends, of course, where it's coming from and who it's coming from, right? This idea of what race is becomes very fluid. I wanted to ask you two about escapism. I was just listening to your episode on freedom as a principle. Mm hmm. One of your most recent episodes and in it, you two speak of carceral institutions, jails, obviously, and I don't think it's very difficult to imagine how a touristic worldview, one built around escapism arises so fervently among people who feel powerless [00:39:00] to change the conditions in the culture that are oppressive and domineering.At the same time the glorification and commodification of that escapism through tourism creates a kind of a culture of abandonment and disposability, in the sense that you're leaving behind all your people and then once you get to this place, well, you're actually not responsible for anything you do there because it's not my, it's not my people, not my home.And so I'm curious, do you think that the freedom, that is usually couched in the freedom of movement has limits? And what do you make of the the inability to stay still in the context of all this?Jay: Man. Yeah, I mean it just makes me think about my own sort of like internal struggles that I have where like, basically like whenever I'm not doing very well, I have this part of me that wants nothing more than to just f**k off and travel sort of like indefinitely. It's like one of my strongest like internal urges, you know.I [00:40:00] don't know. I just keep thinking about that. But yeah, I mean, another thing that comes to mind for me, that is not, not a direct answer to your question, but it's just something that's coming up for me is that like, I think for like so many people in the wealthy West, you know they live in places that are comfortable because they're in the wealthy West, but they're like psychologically so destructive because it's just like these like vistas of like parking lots and like box stores and like depressing nothing places that no one could ever love and I think that like for a lot of people, and I hate to say this because it sounds like snobbish, you know, but it's like, whether or not they know it they are being psychologically attacked by the f*****g places that they live, you know, and there's a part of them that is like, I want nothing more than to get out of here, you know, and see something beautiful, and my question is sort of like, why can't we live in beautiful places? You know, and, and I actually like do live in a beautiful place and I love where I live, you know, [00:41:00] and the neighborhood in Montreal where I live is like gorgeous, you know it's a beautiful place to just walk around and look at stuff.It's very f*****g pretty. And there's a reason why I live here, you know, and I lived in other parts of the city and, and I gave up. You know, bigger, cheaper apartments to live here because I like how it looks and I like how it makes me feel to sort of like leave my house and f*****g walk around. And other people like it too.Millions of people come to Montreal as tourists. We actually have tourists in this neighborhood. And, and like when I leave my house and like walk around the corner, there's like lineups of tourists, you know that I have to sort of like navigate to like get to the gym.Because they're flocking around because it's f*****g nice here. But like a lot of places in North America are really not nice. They're not nice places to look at. They're not nice places to live. You can't f*****g walk anywhere, even if you wanted to you know, everything basically looks the same as everything else, you know?And yeah, it's not surprising to me that people would want to get out of there. Right. Also though, as I say this, it's not just North America that people [00:42:00] come from when they're tourists, right. Right. We're seeing like a gigantic increase in tourism from countries like China. Japan has always produced a lot of tourists, you know? So I think like part of it is just that like, as people get wealthier the desire to just see different things and whatever is always present in people and if they can do it, like there's no particular reason why they wouldn't but I think that it's, it's definitely worth trying to imagine what travel could look like and what like guesthood could look like, you know outside of a context where it's all just like this very commodified process that is not necessarily very great for the people who are on the kind of like hosting end of it.But yeah, again, like I live in a heavily touristed city, but apart from the tourists being quite annoying to have to walk around, like when there's like snow everywhere and they're taking up the whole sidewalk apart from that, and the fact that like Airbnb is a big problem in Montreal they don't bother me much here and I think that like a big part of that is just the, like, you know, Montreal is a very wealthy city, you know, so like an influx of like wealthy [00:43:00] foreigners doesn't like impact it that much other than to sort of like inject cash into the economy, which is not such a bad thing, right? And I do think that like part of the answer to all this is that we need to be like taking seriously internationalist solidarity and like the development of places that are not as developed.And it reminds me of like sort of debates about immigration to the West, you know, and it's like immigration, is a complicated topic and people have lots of different opinions about it, but like a lot of people on the liberal left will, will, will act like immigration is all by itself, like an amazing, awesome thing, always. And then people on the right will act like it's this terrible thing always. And I'm like, I don't know, it's kind of a neutral thing, you know, like there are good and bad things about it. Obviously people being able to travel is like a nice thing. I'll just say this, like, I think that like immigration is a good thing when the places that people are coming from are not so undeveloped or so poor that it's like forcing people out. Right. You know what I mean? And yeah, I dunno, , that was, that was like five [00:44:00] different tensions, so That's great. Chris: Love it. Clementine: So what, what is coming up for me is I saw this drawing that was like of whales swimming in the ocean.And it was like, basically saying something like, borders aren't real, because like, there's no borders in the ocean for whales or whatever. And this is part of this, like, thing on the left, and it's kind of related to what Jay was just saying, that, like, on the left, we do have this, this big like, belief in things like open borders or just free movement, free travel as, like, this positive and, kind of obviously good thing that we should support and I understand it, but at the same time, the fantasy that there aren't different areas in the natural world is false.There might not be borders, but there are biomes. And one of the things about travel that I don't think gets talked about a lot, and that is a big issue with, like, environmental destruction, is actually the reality of biomes and the fact that the movement of people across the world at the rapid way that we do it now [00:45:00] is moving plants, microbes, fungus from biome to biome and in different biomes the way that evolution works is that, like, those ecosystems were totally separate for all of this time, and then when some new, plant, animal, microbe, fungus gets into this new ecosystem, it may be that the other beings that live there have no defense against it, right? And then it causes massive problems, such as what goes on with invasive species.But like, just as a random example, like one of the major things that's causing extinction of bats is the introduction of this fungus into North America that comes from Europe or something and it comes on like tourists. They come and they don't know that they have it on them because it's just like little fungus and then they go and they visit bat caves and then they accidentally infect the bats and the bats are all getting sick and dying, you know, and so I just bring up this random example because the question of like what does it mean to be responsible when we go somewhere [00:46:00] when Even us just going there can cause problems that we didn't intend, you know?And it is a really complicated question. I'm not saying I necessarily have the answer. But especially from an environmental perspective, even if we get climate change under control, even if we deal with, you know fossil fuels, which we're not even close to dealing with, but even if we deal with that, we would still have this big question of, if we are going to continue to travel, say we get rid of planes, and then we have like airships and we're able to fly in a way that's not killing the climate, we still have this big question about what it means when we're bringing things on our clothes by accident.And I'm kind of like, instead of like security at airports, like I wonder if there could be like these places where we go in and we basically have to like leave our things. And like, when we arrive, we get like a special clothes that we wear. I don't know what it would look like because we're carrying fungus on our clothes.Jay: So. It would be really interesting to think about borders in a better world, you know and what that might look like, because I can imagine something like where it's like a supra national kind of like agreement between [00:47:00] different countries and stuff. And like the border is the border of the biome, not the border between the countries, you know?Clementine: Yeah, and I was just talking about it on like an environmental level, which I do think is very important and doesn't really get talked about enough. But I also think we can look at this on a human level where, you know, if we're thinking about like invasive species and like a plant coming in and just growing and taking over, we can also think about how when we bring.You know, for example, English, we can think about English as an invasive species, you know, like English is a species that's going to go there and because it's the language that if people speak more than one language, one of the languages that they speak might be English because it's kind of like taken over the world, then it means more and more people are going to be speaking English and then other languages are going to start dying out.And so this is like literally what an invasive plant species does, you know? And so I think, We need to think about that when we're bringing English into a space. Like, what are we doing in that space? How are we changing that space by bringing English into it? And I say that very self consciously as a unilingual English speaker, but [00:48:00] it is, you know, like.So, like, this idea of what it means to be a responsible guest, what it means to be somewhere, to visit somewhere, we need to think about, not even just the more obvious things, like throwing our garbage around, or being totally disrespectful, or using a place as a party spot, and then leaving, like, all of those things, I think, are very obviously disrespectful, and we need to be more considerate, but there's even more subtle ways, where just our very presence and the way that we bring ourselves can have an impact that we don't intend. That I think is part of the conversation about what it can mean to, to travel in a more ethical and responsible way. Chris: Amen. Amen. Yeah, I'm reminded of, and I don't know how relevant it is for the conversation, but I'm reminded of Terrence McKenna, the great psychedelic bard. He had a hypothesis that the main vehicle of evolutionary change or growth wasn't human beings or mammals, for example, but language.And we were just vehicles for language's evolution and spreading. And that languages are just fighting this secret battle, this secret [00:49:00] war. But, anyways. To speak to what both of you are saying, I interviewed, a man named Daniel Pardo in the first season of the pod, this activist from Barcelona, and he said, you know, "in no way can tourism be sustainable because we can't extend it to everyone on the planet. Like, it's actually impossible to ensure that seven or eight billion people can go on vacation once a year or fly. Right? He said, "there's no right to fly." And, so it's important to ensure that people have these freedoms, but then to what extent can they actually be applied? And I remember being back in Toronto last summer for a few months, and there were whole families and communities of migrants sleeping in front of churches on the street because from what I understand, the Canadian government the year previous had let in something like a million migrants and maybe half of them went to Toronto because it's the financial hub of the country. And there was [00:50:00] simply nothing for them there. There was no plan for them, by the government, there was no jobs, no social support, nothing, right?And so they ended up on the street, sleeping on the street in front of churches, en masse. In terms of the people that I knew who grew up there, and myself, we had never seen that before. And so you can create the freedom to migrate and things like that but what is at the end of that movement, right? So there are definitely these dynamics and nuances that need to be spoken of in terms of travel and the way people travel and the borders and, and biomes that affect the way we move. Yeah, and of course, I could go on and on. I have two more questions for you two, if that's alright? Sure. Okay. So on some of the f*****g canceled podcast episodes you have subtitled the theme of the quest for the offline left. And, you know, I think [00:51:00] largely emphasizing the word offline. And so, you know, what do you think being together offline and organizing offline can do to people whose lives have been shaped around online and social media mentalities?I mean, the three of us are more or less of the age that we still have a lived memory of life before the internet, but what about those who don't? Clementine: Yeah, absolutely horrifying. I mean, I think we are social animals who evolved to be together, looking at each other's faces, like, talking and being in the same space together.Like the alienation that Jay was talking about before, like both leads to our compulsive social media use and our desperate attempt to find community through that, and also completely contributes and worsens the problem, making it a million times worse where we are staring at our phones when we are literally, actually, physically together and could be having a conversation.And that is really like sad and depressing. And I [00:52:00] think that in terms of organizing across difference building solidarity with people... like on the Internet, we can believe that a community is people who share either like an interest or an identity category with us. And that is a community online whereas in real life, community is going to be full of people who are not necessarily like ourselves, who we might not share interests in common with, and we might not share identities in common with, but they actually are the people who are in our spaces in real life, and we actually share many things in common with them that we might not realize because we share a place together, we share a world together and being able to build relationships with people who are different from ourselves is, first of all absolutely necessary as a political strategy if we want to get anything done on the left.But also, it's deeply enriching for our human lives, you know, to be able to meet and talk to people who are not exactly the same, not the same age, not sharing the same politics, like, who are just different from ourselves. So I think it's very important. The other thing is like, the absolute erosion of our [00:53:00] attention span due to social media.I have recently not been on Instagram for, like, a month, and I feel like my brain is, like, damaged, and I'm, like, recovering from a severe damage to my attention span, you know? Like, I wasn't able to read books for years, because I just didn't have an attention span to, like, really keep up with it.It was, like, way harder for me than it used to be when I was younger, you know? Because I have been on the feed that is giving me just five second blips of information and then giving me something else and getting my brain hooked on this, like, dopamine response cycle, which is absolutely horrifying.So, I think it's also really bad for us, like, mentally in terms of our ability to think critically and at length and to, like, pay attention to what we're thinking about. Yeah, Jay: I think that the internet gives people the illusion that things are happening that are not actually happening You know like I don't know you make a a really good post and 2, 000 people like it Wow.Okay. They're all scattered across the f*****g planet. [00:54:00] You know what I mean? It doesn't, you don't know them. It doesn't translate into anything, right? It feels good. And you feel like maybe you're influencing the discourse or something like that, you know but it doesn't translate into anything.And it can give you It can give you the idea that like to be politically active and to be politically successful is to get more people liking your f*****g posts or whatever, you know, but it's not true, right? It also gives people the illusion and Clementine was gesturing at this that a group of people, it's not even really group, it's like a category of people that are like you, is a meaningful sort of group to be in. But let's say like, take like queer people, like LGBTQ community. Okay. And then you extrapolate that to like the whole world, or you can even just extrapolate it to like North America. You know, that's like a scattering of people that are spread out over this enormous geographic area.You couldn't possibly meet them all. Not only because there's so many of them, but also because they're so scattered, right? And you couldn't possibly organize them all and like, and so [00:55:00] on. And, and it's not a community. It's not a community. It is. It's like there's a word I'm looking for and I was, I've been trying to think of it for the past, like five minutes, but I'm just going to say it's like an electorate or something rather than like rather than like a community, you know it's like this, it's this like demographic group that like marketers might market to you or that politicians might try to get to vote for them or something like that. But that's not, that's not what a community is. That's not what a real group is like a real group automatically encompasses difference.Like a, a sort of like authentic human group, like always has differences of like age and occupation and often ethnicity and all these sorts of internal differences that, you know, human groups have always had. Right. And when we try to sort of like make these groups based on identity, which the internet makes very, very, very easy.We like miss. The people that were actually around, like, yeah, but yeah, as for the offline left, I mean, we desperately need to be organizing and in the real world, and I think that[00:56:00] that's not to say that like you can't do anything on the internet.Like the internet obviously has massive advantages for many, many reasons, you know. F**k, there's this like, there's this like image in my head. I'm a very like visual person. I get these like pictures in my head and then I'm like, I have to explain this picture. But it's like the, the thing about like the, the, the groups being this, these kind of like electorates, it's like, if you are this electorate, then you're only choice is to sort of petition your leaders to do something for you. You know what I mean? But like if you are a real and authentic community, you can organize your community to enact something in the real world, you know? And I don't want us to always be in the position of petitioning our leaders, because it presupposes the leaders, it presupposes that we accept their authority, you know, it presupposes that we don't have another option other than to allow a tiny class of parasitical, like rich people to rule everything for us, you know but I would like us to move away from that.Clementine: Yeah. Like just one other thing about that is you'll [00:57:00] see, you know, this gesturing towards actual organizing but through posting, but it's missing the actual organizing piece, which involves building relationships, right? And building trust. And so one of the things you'll, you'll see, like in the last couple of years, I've seen it a few times with different political things that are going on where people will just randomly call for like a mass strike and they'll make a post about it.And they'll be like, on this day, we are calling for people to strike for like this political issue. I saw it for like abortion rights in the United States and I recently saw it for solidarity with Palestine. But it's like, people can't just walk out of their jobs randomly because they will be fired.Like, the point of unions and the point of organized labor is that you have this guarantee where all of these people are taking this risk together in an organized and strategic way and they are trusting each other that they are doing it together and it is their numbers that makes it so that the boss can't just fire them all.And they have strike fund. There's a lot of them and they're [00:58:00] supporting each other to do this and it's organized and they've actually built enough relationship to be like, okay, I trust that my fellow workers are going to do this with me. So, like when I take this risk, it's like the risk is mitigated by the numbers and I know I'm not alone in it.Right. But a social media post cannot produce that. It is not relationship. And so random people reading that, like they're like, "should I just walk out of my job tomorrow?" Like, probably if they do that, they're going to be the only person at their job who's doing that, and they're just going to be fired or reprimanded, best case scenario. And that is not organized at all. And, and so then people are like, "Why aren't you guys walking out of your job? This is not solidarity." And it's like, "you're right. It's not solidarity. Because the solidarity hasn't been built." Like, you have to actually build trust with people to get them to take risks. And if you don't build that trust, and you don't have those actual real relationships, it's not a good idea for people to take those risks because they'll be by themselves taking those risks. Chris: Yeah, begs the question if in order to have solidarity with people elsewhere, does it [00:59:00] have to exist at home first?Clementine: I would say yeah. Absolutely. Jay: And solidarity is kind of meaningless if it's just you. Like it kind of has to be organized, you know, like in some meaningful fashion and that can take place in a small scale or a large scale. But if it was just you feeling solidaristic, like it doesn't, yeah, Clementine: like for example, with the Bangladeshi textile workers, you know. If there was organized labor in North America and say, for example, that like the H&M's were unionized, which I do not think that they are, but if the H& Ms were unionized because, like, the clothing at H&M all comes from Bangladesh, the workers could choose to do a solidarity strike, to strike alongside the Bangladeshi workers, so that the retailers were striking alongside the textile workers, right?And that would be very effective and very cool if that was happening, but in order for that to happen, the retail workers first have to be organized, and they have to have unions, and they actually have to have like an organized labor force here in order to do any kind of meaningful action in [01:00:00] solidarity with the workers in Bangladesh.Chris: Food for thought. Yeah. Thank you both. So my final question. Of the main themes of the pod, one is radical hospitality, which, to me at least, stands as a kind of antidote to industrial hospitality. You know, the systems, the

I love this quote from mystic Terrence McKenna : "Nature loves courage. You make the commitment and nature will respond to that commitment by removing impossible obstacles. Dream the impossible dream and the world will not grind you under, it will lift you up. This is the trick. This is what all these teachers and philosophers who really counted, who really touched the alchemical gold, this is what they understood. This is how magic is done. By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering it's a feather bed." Let's break this quote down and why this matters to how we become free, sovereign and autonomous. In other words, how we bust out of the hamster wheel version of life and be free to contribute to society in valuable ways which align to our personal philosophy. Firstly, “nature loves courage”. We in essence are nature and courage is the very fabric of nature's design. The only blocker most people have to courage is their mind or ego. I will use mind and ego interchangeably here because they are one and the same thing. Many people use their egos to generate drama and complexity to keep them stuck. Drama and complexity are created by the narrative they live by which can keep them hostage to what they don't want. Most wait for something to change before they will change. The problem is that nature or the universe only responds to who we are being in that moment. If we are being “lets wait and see” then all you will have is the “wait and see experience.” Terrence McKenna then says, “You make the commitment and nature will respond to that commitment by removing impossible obstacles.” The impossible obstacles are the mind/ego games before we take action. For example, every week when I go to my local gym to use their cold bath, I see new people, literally dipping their feet only in the bath and then decide they can't do it. They have created a mental impossible obstacle. Impossible meaning, they just cannot see how they can do it. The first time I immersed completely in a cold bath, I was told that the first minute is the worst and when you break through to the other side of that minute you will be fine. Our nervous system realises that it won't die, all relaxes, and we can remain immersed for many more minutes. The body magically creates a thin thermo layer only after we have been in the water for at least a minute. Terrence continues say, “Dream the impossible dream and the world will not grind you under, it will lift you up. This is the trick. This is what all these teachers and philosophers who really counted, who really touched the alchemical gold, this is what they understood. This is how magic is done. By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering it's a feather bed." The feather bed is our freedom from the hamster wheel of 9 to 5, which is really 7 to 6 for many. Stop waiting to be ready, and just hop in and go for it. Life waits for no one. Thank you for reading, love Joe. FREE 3-part training - 2024 Uncertainty Mastery Bootcamp Register now! https://www.joepane.com.au⁠ -------------------------------------------------------------------- Get a copy of the book: Courage to be you  ⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/49nNxy2⁠⁠⁠  ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Download your free copy of Insights Magazine ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.joepane.com.au/insightsmagazine⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To read more visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.joepane.com.au/blog ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Let's connect ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@joepaneinsights⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ -  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@joepaneinsights

Episode #30 of The Happiest Sad Person Podcast. Join me, Alessandra, as I do a deep dive on my microdosing journey thus far. It's been a ride, to say the least. :)As always, email suggestions to 11jacobsa@gmail.com.----------------------Things mentioned in the video:Diary of a CEO, Bryan Johnson interview mentioning KernelBipolar and psilocybinPros and cons of psychedelicsEsketamine for treatment resistant depression&https://www.nbcnews.com/health/mental-health/nasal-esketamine-works-better-alternative-treatment-resistant-depressi-rcna118841Pyschedelics  and their histories and misconceptionsThe theory of Charles Manson and MK ULTRA1960s music scene, laurel Canyon and the role of drugsTimothy Leary, the "modern founder" of psychedelicsJohn M. Allegro book about the Bible and psychedelicsNative Americans and PsychedelicsPanpsychismConscious bookPsychedelic research now&https://www.hubermanlab.com/episode/dr-robin-carhart-harris-the-science-of-psychedelics-for-mental-healthAssociated risks-------------------------More books and articles and videos about psychedelics: Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (a novel about the experience of being on drugs by a gonzo journalist, Hunter S. Thompson)Terrence McKenna and what he learned from psychedelicsBenefits of microdosing with Joe Rogan and Paul StametsRenewing research on psychedelics---------------Links: Podcast InstagramPersonal InstagramHow I host my podSupport the show

In this episode, Paul F. Austin is joined by Hamilton Morris to explore bufotenin, psilomethoxin, and the nuances of psychedelic journalism. Find episode links, summary, and transcript here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-226-hamilton-morris/ Recorded live at the 2023 Wonderland Conference in Miami, their conversation first explores both the science and historical perspective of lesser-mentioned compounds like bufotenine. Hamilton then shares his profound insights drawn from directing the acclaimed Vice TV docuseries Hamilton's Pharmacopeia, as well as his work as a psychedelic chemist. Together, Paul and Hamilton navigate the rich history, chemistry, and cultural impacts of various psychoactive drugs, touching on the wisdom from legends including Alexander Shulgin, Terrence McKenna, and more.   Highlights: The history of psilomethoxin and Hamilton's own experience with it. The limitations of reductionist approaches to understanding psychedelics. Exploring the well-documented history of bufotenine and its subjective effects. Hamilton's takeaways from working on Hamilton's Pharmacopeia. Hamilton on maintaining a balanced perspective in psychedelic journalism.   Links: Hamilton's podcast: https://www.patreon.com/HamiltonMorris Hamilton on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hamiltonmorris/?hl=en Hamilton on Twitter: https://twitter.com/hamiltonmorris?lang=en   Episode Sponsors: Magi Ancestral Supplements - Use coupon code TW10. Psyched Wellness - Use code THIRDWAVE23 to get 15% off. Magic Mind - Enjoy up to 56% off when applied to a 10-day subscription.

Hey there, friends! This week my guest is the fantastically talented Todd Purse! Todd is a professional artist, and a professional awesome dude.  We chat inspiration, art as a manifestation of high strangeness, various motifs in encounter stories, punk culture,  our love for Terrence McKenna, Delaware weirdness, the appeal of UFO emphemera and a ton more.  Todd is also perhaps one of the nicest humans I've ever met in my life, and his EXCELLENT podcast Creative Weirdos is not to be missed! For more info on Todd, check out the links below. Thank you and have a great rest of your week!Love, Steve https://linktr.ee/Createmagicstudioshttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/creative-weirdos-conversations-with-fellow-weirdos/id1618581912https://open.spotify.com/show/6cWemumzaOhZElSL9vfk1X?si=e62c50dc3c364ff7https://www.instagram.com/toddde85/https://www.createmagicstudios.com/

Hi friends, we're on hiatus for the fall. To tide you over, we're putting up some favorite episodes from our archives. Enjoy! --- A pharmacologist and a philosopher walk into a bar... This is not the start of a joke—it's the start of our 2021 finale and our first ever theme episode. The idea with these theme episodes is that we have not one but two guests, from different fields, coming together to discuss a topic of mutual interest. Our theme for this first one—in the spirit of the holiday season—is intoxication and our guests are Dr. Oné Pagán and Dr. Edward Slingerland. Oné is a Professor of Biology at West Chester University and our pharmacologist in residence for this episode. He just published Drunk flies and stoned dolphins: A trip through the world of animal intoxication. Ted is a Professor of Philosophy at the University of British Columbia and our resident philosopher. He is the author of the recent book Drunk: How we sipped, danced, and stumbled our way into civilization. We range over a lot of ground in this conversation. We talk about alcohol as a kind of pharmacological “hand grenade”—whereas other substances are more like “scalpels”. We touch on catnip, cannabis, psychedelic fungi, and poison toads. We discuss Asian flushing genes and what they might suggest about the functions of alcohol. We talk about self-medication in the animal kingdom and in Neanderthals. We size up the "drunken monkey”, "stoned ape”, and "beer before bread" hypotheses. And though we mostly keep things light and festive here, we also do delve into the dark side of intoxication—which may have gotten that much darker with the advent of distilled liquor. Whether you're a tippler or a teetotaler, I'm guessing you'll find this to be a heady conversation. Did you really think I was going to make it to the end of this intro without a single intoxication-related pun? You know me better. Alright friends—be well, be merry, and be safe this holiday season. We'll be back in mid-January after a not so long winter's nap. Now on to my conversation with Dr. Oné Pagán and Ted Slingerland. Cheers!   A transcript of this episode is now available.   Notes and links 4:00 – The “write drunk, edit sober” idea is sometimes (mis)attributed to Ernest Hemingway. 8:00 – Dr. Pagán wrote an earlier book about his favored model organism, the planaria (or flatworms). You may recall we discussed planaria in our recent episode with Dr. Michael Levin. 10:10 – Dr. Slingerland wrote an earlier book about the Chinese ideal of wu-wei. See this brief discussion of his ideas in The Marginalian. 13:00 – The idea of alcohol as pharmacological “hand grenade” is a metaphor due to Steven Braun. 19:30 – An article in Science about “why cats are crazy for catnip.” 21:20 – A recent article in The Conversation about Asian flushing genes. 26:00 – Thomas Hunt Morgan, who won the Nobel Prize in 1933, pioneered the use of drosophila as an animal model. 28:20 – An article on the inebriometer (with an accompanying illustration). 33:00 – The biologist Robert Dudley introduced the “drunken monkey” hypothesis. A recent synopsis by Dudley. 38:00 – Not to be confused with the “stoned ape” hypothesis, which was introduced by Terrence McKenna. A recent popular article on the hypothesis.   41:00 – The idea of psychedelics as introducing “mutagens” into culture comes from How to Change Your Mind, by Michael Pollan. 44:00 – A recent popular article on the “beer before bread” hypothesis. The idea was originally proposed in 1953. 48:50 – Pharmaceutical practices of non-human animals are called “zoopharmacognosy.” A 2014 summary of findings about animal self-medication. 53:00 – The original report in Science on the “flower burial” in Shanidar cave. 56:20 – The Laussel Venus appears to be drinking (alcohol?) from a horn. 59:20 – An article describing the tragic case of Tusko the elephant. 1:03:50 – One example of practices that moderate alcohol's dangerous effect is the Greek symposium. 1:08:00 – A brief history of distillation, which is a relatively recent invention. 1:11:00 – Planaria are widely used as an animal model for understanding nicotine, among other intoxicating substances.   Dr. Slingerland recommends the following books: Buzz, by Steven Braun Drink, by Iain Gately A Short History of Drunkenness, by Mark Forsyth   Dr. Pagán recommends the following book: Intoxication, by Ronald Siegel   You can find Dr. Slingerland on Twitter (@slingerland20) and follow him at his website; you can find Dr. Pagán on Twitter (@Baldscientist), follow him at his website, and listen to his podcast.   Many Minds is a project of the Diverse Intelligences Summer Institute, which is made possible by a generous grant from the Templeton World Charity Foundation to UCLA. It is hosted and produced by Kensy Cooperrider, with help from Assistant Producer Urte Laukaityte and with creative support from DISI Directors Erica Cartmill and Jacob Foster. Our artwork is by Ben Oldroyd. Our transcripts are created by Sarah Dopierala. Subscribe to Many Minds on Apple, Stitcher, Spotify, Pocket Casts, Google Play, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You can also now subscribe to the Many Minds newsletter here! We welcome your comments, questions, and suggestions. Feel free to email us at: manymindspodcast@gmail.com.  For updates about the show, visit our website or follow us on Twitter: @ManyMindsPod.

LGHT is a creator, artist and writer who explores across web3, art, NFTs, DAOs, memetic icons, hypercultures and more at lght.mirror.xyz. Publishing imaginative concepts, research, insights and models.Gami is our first ever returning guest, a member of Nouns and founder of Gnars DAO. This recording session was actually the first time these two have met each other “in person” for a conversation.On June 21, Gami minted “HYPERCOMMONS” A Manifesto for a Positive-Sum World: “In the dawn of a new age, as our society expands and intertwines with the virtual, a proposition is put forward to embrace an unprecedented concept: the hypercommons.A bold exploration of the new frontiers of social, political, and artistic realms, the hypercommons embodies the protocol-built public goods and luxuries, the onchain hypercultures they foster, and the positive externalities they engender.”LGHT has written a series of essays on related topics: “Hypercultures are very much a legitimate feature of onchain activity, and not a bug. With less than 1M onchain collectors in the space and even less creators, anybody here can realistically be part of the next hyperculture.”These ideas live in realms mapped by Zora. Collecting and creating and experimenting onchain and across web3 social.We jam about memetic icons, skateboarding, hyperstructures, minting onchain, psychedelic experiences and the future of the internet. Wandering into the philosophical, a few concepts were struck upon: serendipity machines, and ever increasing novelty in the universe as per Terrence McKenna.SPONSORSZerion combines every corner of web3 in a simple and intuitive app for self-custodial humans. Discover the hottest NFT collections, track your DeFi rewards, and vote in DAOs across 10+ chains. Get started at zerion.ioInterface is a mobile companion for Ethereum travellers. Connect with people and communities you're a part of, stay updated with their onchain footprint through activity feed and notifications, read, watch and listen to onchain media – all in one place. Visit interface.socialLore is where communities come onchain. Helping communities of all kinds raise funds onchain, up and down vote decisions and take action towards a collective mission. They are accepting applications from community leads and creators who want to crowdfund initiatives to be on their V2 launch line up. Go to lore.xyz to apply

YouTube link https://youtu.be/I9fJbns2aBU Dennis McKenna is the brother of Terrence McKenna and is an ethnopharmacologist / research pharmacognosist. His knowledge of psychedelics is extensive. Listen now early and ad-free on Patreon https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal.  - Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal (early access to ad-free audio episodes!) - Crypto: https://tinyurl.com/cryptoTOE - PayPal: https://tinyurl.com/paypalTOE - Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt - Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs - iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal/id1521758802 - Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP - Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e - Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeverything - TOE Merch: https://tinyurl.com/TOEmerch LINKS MENTIONED: - Brotherhood of the Screaming Abyss (Dennis' book): https://amzn.to/3QmjzmT - ETHNOPHARMACOLOGIC SEARCH FOR PSYCHOACTIVE DRUGS: https://espd55.com - Dennis' website: https://mckenna.academy/ - Karl Friston TOE podcast (Cautions on Consciousness): https://youtu.be/SWtFU1Lit3M TIMESTAMPS: 00:00:00 Introduction 00:01:19 Dennis McKenna's working habits / quotidianness 00:03:49 "Hang up when you receive the message" 00:08:35 Psychedelics aren't meant to be taken isolated from community 00:13:22 Terrence, the family, and Brotherhood of the Screaming Abyss 00:18:46 Ethnopharmacologic Search for Psychoactive Drugs (ESPD) 00:27:49 MDMA's uses (and designer drugs) 00:40:31 Mycelium vs. fruiting bodies 00:46:03 Psychological metamorphosis without hallucinogens? 00:56:46 Staying "grounded" and not being "high" all the time 00:59:23 Terrence never found ground and got lost 01:12:13 Perils of investigations into consciousness 01:14:47 Gender differences in psychedelics 01:15:24 Love in disunity rather than pure "connectedness" Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Embark on a profound exploration of philosophy, spirituality, and personal growth as Loui Blake, a visionary plant-based entrepreneur, joins me for an enlightening conversation. Inspired by the teachings of Alan Watts and Terrence McKenna, we delve into the depths of our experiences, unraveling the impact of authority, childhood trauma, and the mysteries of past lives. Together, we navigate the realms of intuition and the transformative power of meditation, revealing how these practices have shaped our journeys. Loui shares his insights gained from pursuits like Jiu-Jitsu, football, and the vibrant world of nightlife, offering unique perspectives on discipline, resilience, and the pursuit of passion. As the conversation unfolds, we dive into the fascinating realm of psychedelics, exploring the profound effects of mushrooms and their connection to spirituality and consciousness. Loui's journey as a plant-based entrepreneur also takes center stage, as we discuss the profound impact of veganism, public speaking, and the art of investment. Through it all, we find solace in simplicity, prioritizing what truly matters and discovering the transformative potential of mantras, breathwork, and cold therapy. The episode culminates in a powerful exploration of visualization and the ability to manifest dreams. Join us on this captivating episode of self-reflection and personal growth, as Loui Blake and I take you on a transformative journey of philosophy, spirituality, and the boundless possibilities of self-discovery. --------- EPISODE CHAPTERS --------- (0:00:03) - Discovering Alan Watts and Philosophy (0:07:42) - Exploring Trauma, Memory, and Past Lives (0:13:21) - Exploring Mystery and Intuition (0:23:42) - Exploring Meditation and Jiu-Jitsu (0:30:43) - From Football to Nightlife (0:42:18) - Mushrooms, Veganism, and Personal Growth (0:54:35) - Overcoming Fear Through Public Speaking (1:05:56) - Investing and the Complexity of Business (1:09:08) - Focus on Simplicity and Prioritizing find out more with what loui is up to below : https://www.louiblake.com/ Thank you for your support! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ryan-john-hewitt/message

Selected are Rude Audio, Estella Boersma, Eye Soul8r, Cannibal Coconuts, Tariq Disu, Vega, & A Psychic Yes.Eds Next level soundbyte abundance fts Dr John, Ian Curtis, Mickey Dread, Marvin Gaye, Quartz, Michael Caine, The Voice Of Planet Love, James Brown, Sly and Robbie, Arthur Connely, The Last Poets, The Radio and Tv choir of Bulgaria, Alex Harvey, Terrence McKenna, U-Roy, and quiet a few more.This Is Dub InterventionTune into new broadcasts of Dub Intervention, Saturday from 8 - 10 PM EST / 1 - 3 AM GMT (Sunday).For more info visit: https://thefaceradio.com/dub-intervention///Dig this show? Please consider supporting The Face Radio: http://support.thefaceradio.com Support The Face Radio with PatreonSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/thefaceradio. Join the family at https://plus.acast.com/s/thefaceradio. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Carolyn and Laila talk about Carolyn's recent theory that AC, with all his scandalousness and mythopoetic self-identification as the Great Beast of The Book of Revelations, succeeded in “immanentizing the eschaton” (to borrow a phrase of the late, great Terrence McKenna) and revealing to Western consciousness a new archetype of the whole Self, later elaborated by Carl Jung in his 1951 classic, Aion, about Christ and Antichrist.

Sandra Ingerman, MA, is an award-winning author of twelve books, including Soul Retrieval: Mending the Fragmented Self, Medicine for the Earth: How to Heal Personal and Environmental Toxins and Walking in Light: The Everyday Empowerment of Shamanic Life. She is the presenter of eight audio programs produced by Sounds True, and she is the creator of the Transmutation App. Sandra is a world-renowned teacher of shamanism and has been teaching for more than 30 years. She has taught workshops internationally on shamanic journeying, healing, and reversing environmental pollution using spiritual methods. Sandra is recognized for bridging ancient cross-cultural healing methods into our modern culture addressing the needs of our times.Sandra is devoted to teaching people how we can work together as a global community to bring about positive change for the planet. She is passionate about helping people to reconnect with nature. Since the 1980's thousands of people have healed from past and present traumas through the classic cross cultural shamanic healing method Sandra teaches called Soul Retrieval.She is a licensed marriage and family therapist and professional mental health counselor. She is also a board-certified expert on traumatic stress. She was awarded the 2007 Peace Award from the Global Foundation for Integrative Medicine. Sandra was chosen as one of the Top 10 Spiritual Leaders of 2013 by Spirituality and Health Magazine.In this episode, Sandra Ingerman and Beth Weinstein discuss …▶ Sandra's early experiences with mind-expanding substances as a kid growing up in Brooklyn in the 60s ▶ Her sense that she was living in a world that was totally misaligned with the experiences of oneness she was having through psychedelics▶ Moving to the Haight Ashbury and becoming friends with psychedelic psychedelic pioneers such as Terrence McKenna and Ralph Metzner▶ Sandra's early education in shamanic journeying ▶ How shamanic drumming can help shift your thinking consciousness▶ The support you can receive if you learn to communicate with your “helping spirits”▶ Your soul as your life force▶ Personal and planetary “soul loss”▶ How your soul decided to incarnate to fulfill its destiny in this lifetime and is encoded with information about what you are truly passionate about▶ A process called “soul remembering” in which Sandra helps people journey back to a time before they were born▶ Shamanism as a way of life▶ How the plants themselves taught the first shamans shamanism▶ Are psychedelics too popular?▶ How your future is created from your presentSandra Ingerman's Links & Resources▶ Website: www.sandraingerman.com▶ Website: www.shamanicteachers.com▶ Website: www.ShamansTV.com▶ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ingermansandra/▶ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/SandraIngerman▶ Learn more about Sandra's award-winning books: https://www.sandraingerman.com/books-cds/

It is often fun to bounce ideas between good friends. This conversation with Creon Levit is no different. Creon's interests are vast, but one thing is for certain, he is working towards a better future. Looking at psychedelic use beyond treatment for mental illness, Creon shares with us the notable tech giants, and their possible inspirations, as well as a glimpse into his daily diet and routine.“Your friendship is one of the highlights of my life. And so thank you for everything.”Creon Levit worked for NASA as a research scientist for 32 years doing high performance computing, data visualization, computational aeronautics, quantum chemistry, and spacecraft optics. For the last eight years he has been chief technologist and Director of R&D for Planet Labs - a satellite imaging company that has built, launched, and operates almost 500 earth-imaging satellites.Creon was good friends with Terrence McKenna, Sasha Shulgin, and John C. Lilly and has had a long interest in the intersection between psychedelics and technology.Show notes:* An applied physicist at NASA for 30 years – introducing Creon Levit* Cyber Security and surveillance* Psychedelics and technology* The use of psychedelics for creativity* The fallout for using some of these substances* Whats the big deal in talking about these things?* Are we in planetary conflict?* How Creon changed his physiology ** This is not medical advice- Always seek the advice of your health care provider before undertaking a new health care regimenLinks and references:* Psychedelic Wisdom (Dr. Richard L. Miller)* Psychedelic Medicine (Dr. Richard L. Miller)* Steve Jobs (Walter Isaacson)* How the Hippies Saved Physics (David Kaiser)* Peter Attia: What if we're wrong about diabetes?Want the episode transcript and video? Join our Tribe!Mind Body Health & Politics is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.https://www.mindbodyhealthpolitics.org/subscribe Get full access to Mind Body Health & Politics at www.mindbodyhealthpolitics.org/subscribe

In this week's edition the guys get into the topic of psychedelics, pharmakeia, and sorcery! The guys talk about psychedelic literature and the various writers in that movement like Terrence McKenna, Aldous Huxley, and others. They talk about the modern-day psychedelic movement and folks like Joe Rogan, Duncan Trussel, and Dennis McKenna. They also talk about if they believe the experiences are real and what they may be, and they talk the spiritual entities that people meet in their experiences and if they're just hallucinations or real spiritual entities. This episode was a blast and we hope you enjoy it! Let us know what you think!

Dr. Peterson's extensive catalog is available now on DailyWire+: https://utm.io/ueSXh Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Dr. Dennis McKenna discuss the science behind psychedelics, the entities found through the looking glass, the current pharmaceutical approach to long life, and why it needs to change. Dr. Dennis McKenna is an American ethnopharmacologist, lecturer and author. He is a founding board member and the director of ethnopharmacology at the Heffter Research Institute, a non-profit exploring the therapeutic uses of psychedelic medicines. McKenna received his masters in botany at the University of Hawaii in 1979, followed by his doctorate in the same field at the University of British Columbia in 1984. Dennis is the brother of Terrence McKenna, a cultural figure and proponent for the exploration of psychedelics. Together they co-authored The Invisible Landscape. Much later Dennis would write a memoir, Brotherhood of the Screaming Abyss,  detailing he and his brothers exploits in the field. Today, Dennis tours and lectures, while also running the McKenna Academy of Natural Philosophy, which seeks to uncover the mysteries of consciousness held within the realm of botany and pharmacology. —Links— McKenna Academy: https://mckenna.academy The Experiment at La Chorrera https://mckenna.academy/events?id=32 ESPD55 Livestream Symposium ESPD55.com Those interested in donations may contact connect@mckenna.academy - Sponsors - Birch Gold - Text "JORDAN" to 989898 for your no-cost, no-obligation, FREE information kit Elysium Health - Save 25% off Basis monthly subscriptions with code JBP25: https://trybasis.com/Jordan Shopify - Get a FREE 14-day trial with full access to Shopify's entire suite of features: https://shopify.com/jbp - Chapters - (0:00) Coming up(0:40) intro(2:33) Dr. Dennis McKenna now(6:47) What is ethnopharmacology?(12:45) Ayahuasca(26:02) Hierarchy of concepts(30:00) The Reality Hallucination(43:50) Breaking down hyper reality(49:30) Commonalities of entities(55:50) The intrinsic form of personality(1:00:15) Ritual, bad shamans(1:02:58) Carl Rogers, voluntary exposure(1:09:15) Roland Griffiths, the flaw in how medicine is practiced(1:12:05) Impending mortality(1:24:45) Dr. McKenna's future plans(1:26:19) Looking back at a life long career  // SUPPORT THIS CHANNEL //Newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/jordanbpeterson.com/youtubesignupDonations: https://jordanbpeterson.com/donate // COURSES //Discovering Personality: https://jordanbpeterson.com/personalitySelf Authoring Suite: https://selfauthoring.comUnderstand Myself (personality test): https://understandmyself.com // BOOKS //Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life: https://jordanbpeterson.com/Beyond-Order12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos: https://jordanbpeterson.com/12-rules-for-lifeMaps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief: https://jordanbpeterson.com/maps-of-meaning // LINKS //Website: https://jordanbpeterson.comEvents: https://jordanbpeterson.com/eventsBlog: https://jordanbpeterson.com/blogPodcast: https://jordanbpeterson.com/podcast // SOCIAL //Twitter: https://twitter.com/jordanbpetersonInstagram: https://instagram.com/jordan.b.petersonFacebook: https://facebook.com/drjordanpetersonTelegram: https://t.me/DrJordanPetersonAll socials: https://linktr.ee/drjordanbpeterson #JordanPeterson #JordanBPeterson #DrJordanPeterson #DrJordanBPeterson #DailyWirePlus #podcast #DennisMcKenna 

A dialogue welcoming Voicecraft Network contributors Cam Duffy & Ethan Wells, in response to McKenna's famous 'culture is not your friend' quote, exploring the challenges of transformation in modern culture. To learn more about the project, the Voicecraft Network, and the speakers visit https://voicecraft.io Support the project at https://patreon.com/voicecraft

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So that's really the book has little to do with money has everything to do with ah creating an inner state that ah of goodness allowing that to emerge and then ah. 01:00.62 Dr_ Placebo Oh. 01:10.26 mikebledsoe Allowing the universe to deliver all your intentions and desires to your doorstep. So if if money is what you need to reach your desires then you know I find that when I find that inner peace and goodness and just sit in that. Really cool things. Emerge. 01:33.25 Dr_ Placebo Kind of reminds me with ah dog training that it's not about training the dog. It's about training the person a lot of the time and as far as creative work is concerned if you are in a. 01:42.60 mikebledsoe Um, yeah for. 01:49.42 Dr_ Placebo Ah heightened state of some kind whether that's a flow state or otherwise you're just going to do your best work right. 01:55.49 mikebledsoe Yeah, you know what? I Also find that I've never figured anything out in Business. It's never been. 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He. 03:30.30 Dr_ Placebo And. 03:37.52 Dr_ Placebo Yeah, yeah. Um, funny wo who. 03:47.14 mikebledsoe He asked me he goes he goes look. We can talk about all the good stuff we could talk about the good times. But why don't you tell us about the dark moments in your career in business I was like oh boy, Oh boy I can deliver that. 04:01.74 Dr_ Placebo Um. O. 04:05.32 mikebledsoe There's some dark moments. And yeah I don't know how long the show went on for it felt like 2 hours and it was you know I think it's the most emotional I've ever been on a podcast I don't think I've ever been interviewed and gotten that emotional. 04:09.82 Dr_ Placebo Whoa. 04:14.54 Dr_ Placebo Whoo. 04:19.92 Dr_ Placebo Woo Whoa. Oh. 04:25.11 mikebledsoe And um, yeah I really just I but basically I covered the year of 2017 for me and I didn't go through the whole year in detail but I went through the the thing a lot of the stuff that you know it's a good story. So I recommend anyone go listen to that. Um. 04:45.43 mikebledsoe Ah, do weightlifting dot com and you click on the podcasts. Ah and it was.. It was so emotional and it brought up. You know? Ah, Ah, you know if I could label the emotions. It was just there were it was just ah, a constant flow so much. So like I don't think I felt my emotions that deeply for that period that extended period of time in a very long time and when I got off the show. My fiance she she went off to dinner with a friend of hers. So I go sit in the sauna afterwards and meditate and just Sawa and cold plunge and then came home and got in bed and it. It occurred to me I was like this story that this story of 2017 is there's so many lessons that I learned that I really a lot of times I share the lessons in a very straightforward way but not in. But I could be sharing it from a place of storytelling which as you know that's the best way to get a point across is if you can embed it in a story. 05:52.98 Dr_ Placebo So. 06:00.80 Dr_ Placebo We need an arc with no arc no one care. No one cares without an arc. It might be true. It might be correct, but no one cares and that's been ah that's been something that I have hardly capitalized on much. 06:03.72 mikebledsoe Yeah, so no one cares. 06:17.43 Dr_ Placebo Because I don't care about the story interestingly enough I just want the I want the bullet points I want them in the correct sequence and I want as little fluff as possible but that's just not how people work. 06:23.76 mikebledsoe I yeah. 06:34.10 mikebledsoe No yeah mean we live by narratives and archetypes and archetypes is even a narrative about a type of person and ah you know? And yeah, so in in the world of you know speakers you know. 06:35.16 Dr_ Placebo The. 06:51.61 mikebledsoe I know you know this is every great speaker has got their keynote story and speakers that have been around for a long time people who get on stage. They'll have 2 or 3 depending on the situation and I've had so many I've had like so many they. So. 06:55.80 Dr_ Placebo A good. 07:10.83 mikebledsoe Speaking Coaches Love targeting me as a client they're like okay you know you're you're good on Stage. You're good at telling stories all this but you haven't really honed in on a story that converts people into a product that you're selling or a service. Or whatever and I go Yeah, you know, ah all the greats. The people who can sell a lot. They do it through storytelling and I've tried different stories and nothing really nothing really stuck. Nothing was super powerful and. 07:48.58 mikebledsoe I'm in bed last night and I'm I'm simply in the fields of my feelings and emergency goes. Oh that's that's the story. You should tell because these guys were on the edge of their seat at the end they were blown away they were it was it was obvious it was and I had never told the story in. 07:56.13 Dr_ Placebo Are. 08:07.62 mikebledsoe That much detail before on a podcast partly because lawsuits are a part of it and ah you know while lawsuits are going on. You can't go around telling stories about it. But it's ah. 08:19.40 Dr_ Placebo Um I would check with someone who knows these things rather than your hunch. 08:23.37 mikebledsoe I Think enough time has passed I think I'm okay. 08:31.30 mikebledsoe Ah I'm pretty sure. Um, yeah, the contract said something about 3 years and it's been more than three years. So I'm not too worried about it. 08:42.63 Dr_ Placebo Yeah, it's Interesting. You mentioned that because I find I know I'm in the minority but I find ah nothing ah less genuine and more fake when I see a speaker going through this big personal story. I'm like I I want to go like I know what you're trying to do. Can you stop it. You're annoying me like I came here to learn something and if you give me this long thing about your life I'm only going to leave. Basically so I I I know I'm in the minority. Um, with with that. But I mean. 09:02.81 mikebledsoe Okay, yeah. 09:12.55 mikebledsoe You are. 09:17.76 Dr_ Placebo Really successful guys. Ah, really do like Tug the heartstrings they play they play a crowd like a fiddle and it's quite a cool skill. But if I'm in the crowd I I like start to hate that person almost and I hate that person that's too strong but it makes me. 09:30.94 mikebledsoe Yeah there. 09:36.60 Dr_ Placebo It makes me ah feel less connected to them because I know that they're not doing this to provide a service they're doing this to like puff up their character right? who. 09:48.20 mikebledsoe Right? right? Yeah I mean um I think you and I are like in that way and that might be why we avoid you know, telling that story and um. 09:54.98 Dr_ Placebo It depends on what message you're trying to convey to right? like it's possible to tell a good story without making it about yourself right? You can talk about like. 10:08.66 mikebledsoe Um, yeah. 10:12.65 Dr_ Placebo Costs and benefits and consequences and archetypes without telling a 20 minute personal story during a 30 minute lecture 10:21.35 mikebledsoe Well one of the most popular one of the most popular books on leadership a couple years ago was extreme ownership and I don't know if you read that is by Jocko willing and the entire the there's like ah a paragraph that gives the lesson embedded in. 10:28.43 Dr_ Placebo Yeah I did. 10:37.93 Dr_ Placebo These war stories. It's worst. It's war stories and I was like what what? yeah. 10:39.20 mikebledsoe this this story it's all war stories war stories with like ah like you could you could have gotten the point in like 2 pages the entire book. But it's buried in all these war stories and everyone loved it and I was like I like I was it was okay. 10:54.25 Dr_ Placebo I Find that? yeah well, what's funny is um, like I I don't like the book I think he is a really interesting character and it's the perfect example. Of who you want to lead a team of killers like but but is that who I want to emulate in my personal life as a leader and it's like I don't think so you know there are qualities that you can pick and choose and that's why it's so tricky to. 11:13.20 mikebledsoe Yes. 11:21.66 mikebledsoe Right. 11:30.89 Dr_ Placebo Pick someone to emulate consciously or subconsciously because you're only ah seeing a window into their life and you may not want their life. Um, right. 11:40.31 mikebledsoe Well in addition to that I mean you referred to dwayne the Rock Johnson in that regard before I think even on the last show but the the and I agree with the Jocko thing there was there were. 11:50.95 Dr_ Placebo That's my go to. 11:56.52 mikebledsoe There were certain things about that book and his attitude that just don't don't jive with me either and it's always been funny because people people are like oh my God It was so good I'm like well what parts are like all of it I'm like ah maybe not all of it. But some of it was Good. Um. And it because we do. We do need to be careful about who we model and. 12:21.57 Dr_ Placebo We're supposed to think that the books are good sometimes sometimes you're just supposed to think a book is good like my ah my friend was really kind. She got me a Tony Robbins book ah his newest who is his newest one life force. 12:33.64 mikebledsoe I who. 12:37.66 Dr_ Placebo Um, and before you think this is a plug This is the opposite of a plug. Whatever I'm about to do right now I was like I was it was fucking unreadable. It was so embarrassing like it was a giant infomercial of widgets that he's invested into. 12:41.84 mikebledsoe Ah me. But. 12:49.41 mikebledsoe A. 12:57.47 Dr_ Placebo Very unclear, very superficial, hardly practical, really like off the-wall shit that applies to nobody I Fucking hated it and of course I told my friend this too I told my friend this I was like that's one of the worst books about health that I think I've ever Read. It was hard to Read. It wasn't Useful. It wasn't simple. It wasn't clear but I really appreciate the gift. You know what? I mean like don't like hey I I Really appreciate that someone would buy a book for me I Think that's really nice but I don't have to like it just because. 13:25.97 mikebledsoe Ah, good effort. 13:36.43 Dr_ Placebo Um, you're supposed to like it and I think that happens quite a lot and. 13:39.62 mikebledsoe Well, you're gonna be my editor for my book. So it's gonna it's gonna have to pass the the max shank Sniff test. 13:47.69 Dr_ Placebo Ah, oh dude, ah call me the copy doced. Yeah copy doctor a doctor the copy up I'm I'm great I'm great at that sort of thing. 13:50.91 mikebledsoe The what the copy Doc Oh okay, all right, all right? Perfect Oh perfect, all right look at that look at that folks. We finally agreed to do something outside of the podcast. So. 14:04.44 Dr_ Placebo Oh perfect. 14:10.16 mikebledsoe Ah, well you brought up something interesting and because ah we are we learn through modeling but we also have anti-models and there are people that we don't want to be like and we got to be ah, equally careful of that. So. There's a number Tony Robbins would fall in this category right? Maybe maybe for you I'm the same way I've never. 14:34.73 Dr_ Placebo I Think he does some great stuff by the way I think there are people that he legitimately helps so much and I think that's fantastic and I think that book was awful. 14:42.98 mikebledsoe I agree. Yeah well I think his style overall is just not for me I don't think you're going to find max and I and a crowd of 10000 people you know psyching ourselves up. It's just not kind of not going to happen and we don't need that we're we're past that. 14:53.93 Dr_ Placebo Woo Totally right? Hey people like different things. 15:01.96 mikebledsoe And people like different things but we're not going to model Tony Robbins you're you're not going to find max or I on stage. You know, screaming at people and getting them pumped up with music and jumping around and it's just not going to happen. And we should. We should just do it just to just a fuck with people like. 15:20.32 Dr_ Placebo Cut to a year we're both on stage with headsets on. Are you guys ready to do fire breathing and then ah. 15:32.28 Dr_ Placebo I would do I would do a fake one I would I would do a fake one and just ah play a character I think that would be hilarious. 15:37.80 mikebledsoe Too bad We don't live in the same town Anymore. We can make a bunch of Spoofs about personal development programs. But ah, we got to be equally Careful. So ah, you know I don't think I shared this with you privately. But I didn't share this On. Podcast and I'll I'll share it I won't mention who this person is but I was hanging out with this person and they refused to wear a seatbelt why because they were because there's a law that says they're supposed to so they just don't want to do it and then the same person. 16:13.64 Dr_ Placebo Rebel without a cause sure. 16:15.25 mikebledsoe Ribble without a cause and the same person opens up their mail at the house opens it up. There's a picture of a license plate and saying you were speeding in the zone or whatever he rips it in half throws in the garbage can he's a god that's the thirteenth one this year and. Ah, and you know I I don't disagree I would handle that differently. But there's a lot of like really easy easy legal ways of getting out of traffic tickets that involve automatic cameras. They pretty much have. You pretty you challenge it at all and they have to drop it because nobody caught you in the act. So ah, the the point is is a lot of times people who who are the rebel without a cause they just rebelling so they they may find some. We could say some people just rebellious in nature like I'm I'm very rebellious you're rebellious I can tell you that you you don't match the status quo heartily at all and yeah, and. 17:18.57 Dr_ Placebo But only because they're really Ill like if they were healthy I would like I I don't even really want to be a rebel I Just want to get a good result. But. 17:26.76 mikebledsoe But to be. Yeah, you're selective right? And so I remember you know I'm in the car with the person and they're not wearing their seatbelt I'm like why you know why didn you put on the seatbelt like yeah, that and I go Well, you know it's it's you're following in the same trap of lack of critical thinking. 17:48.68 Dr_ Placebo Oh. 17:49.85 mikebledsoe You don't want to be like this person so you don't do anything like that person does it like ah Tony Robbins like you were saying there are some aspects of his life that should definitely be emulated. But if you go look I don't like Tony Robbins I'm not can do anything and this is a lot of people and people general. 18:00.13 Dr_ Placebo Yep. 18:07.15 Dr_ Placebo So it's the devil. 18:07.59 mikebledsoe A lot of times generalize this to say wealthy people. Oh I don't wanna be like I don't want to be like that greedy rich guy. So I'm not gonna have any money I'm like you know you can have money without being greedy right? like there's and there's collapsed distinctions in there but you gotta be careful about. 18:20.98 Dr_ Placebo Right? Yep I know Yep, it's the same ah like God and the devil ad hommonym appeal to authority thing. 18:27.37 mikebledsoe Who you're modeling and then who you're anti-modeling. 18:36.32 mikebledsoe Um, yeah, um. 18:36.94 Dr_ Placebo Over and over like if you dislike somebody personally and that causes you to ignore the lesson they have that would help you then you're an idiot you're you're overly emotional and you're conflating this personality that you don't like. Thinking that they are wrong and that's just simply not the case right? You have to be able to dislike somebody and still be able to use your logic to determine whether they're right about something or not and I've had plenty of opportunity to do this because ah, especially. In ah like the copywriting world right? like there's there's a supreme emphasis on exaggerating the truth and maybe even being like a bit of an egomaniac and so those are traits that I really dislike personally and there are even people. 19:18.11 mikebledsoe Um. 19:33.63 Dr_ Placebo That I dislike personally but I still want to take the um the idea separate from the individual. It's like ah is Bill Cosby still funny yes absolutely fucking. Hilarious 1 of the best comedians of all time and whether you think he is ah guilty of certain crimes or not should be irrelevant to the comedy. Um, and this is not a popular take by the way I'm not going to win any friends with this. Idea. Ah okay I think people like ah Bill Cosby less than hitler somehow even though it's entirely possible that the guy was completely set up which is crazy to think about you know, speaking of all that I think it's so funny. 20:08.60 mikebledsoe Um, I'm going to follow it up with a hitler one. So we'll just lose everybody. 20:21.27 mikebledsoe Yeah Trump. 20:27.20 Dr_ Placebo That we we collectively kind of watch the news and we see something or we hear something we're like whoa how did that happen and then we watch a movie and we go whoa. That's amazing. So realistic and we never think that some of those movie people would. Like create some news like if you're directing a movie. You're organizing thousands of people, computer programmers actors extras camera people and it's like you think these ah geniuses of illusion. Never fabricate some sort of reality of. 20:48.91 mikebledsoe No, ah. 21:05.31 Dr_ Placebo Of course they do is. It's very. It's very interesting. How quick we are to throw people under the bus just because ah he said she said kind of thing. 21:13.40 mikebledsoe Yeah, that's absolutely right? Yeah, the the I would say the movie. What's happening in movie theaterore and what's happening in the news is is very much alike I think there's tons of crossover there I mean it what this is. 21:28.87 Dr_ Placebo Of course, there's incentive to do So What do we? What do we know? if there is an incentive and opportunity it happens like there's enough people that if there's incentive and opportunity. It's happening. You don't have to like it. But that's what's happening. 21:36.50 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 21:44.67 mikebledsoe Yeah, there's I'm gonna go into like conspiracy theory land a bit but that but there's there's actual evidence of cia being involved in hollywood in the early stages of of Hollywood coming around. Um. 21:46.43 Dr_ Placebo Are. 21:58.48 Dr_ Placebo If if they weren't They'd be stupid to be the central stupid agency if they weren't using the fucking movies and like I mean are you kidding me like this whole. 22:00.92 mikebledsoe They yeah. 22:08.93 mikebledsoe Ah. 22:12.14 Dr_ Placebo Even the word conspiracy is used as an ad hominem attack when the word conspiracy just means that people meet up in secret everybody people meet up in secret all the fucking time That's like almost all that happens. 22:19.88 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and um, and people have theories about them about these meetings now it and ah even before the cia I mean that's how they drummed up. 22:27.71 Dr_ Placebo No deck. 22:35.18 mikebledsoe Ah, interest or support for the war effort in World War two is they would they would show these they would they would show these hype videos like sizzle reels basically of why you should support the War effort World War Two and. 22:38.52 Dr_ Placebo Oh. 22:51.86 mikebledsoe It worked it hyped everybody up and they use movie theaters for that early on so when you look at what how that was used then and then you look at ah who if you watch the news like so Cbs is probably the worst Cbs Nbc you watching these major news networks. Almost every evening you're going to see them interviewing somebody from the cia or somebody who used to work for the cia or the Fbi or something like that these intelligence agencies have totally got these ah news agencies by the balls. 23:19.54 Dr_ Placebo A. 23:30.74 mikebledsoe Like they they basically get to weave whatever narrative and they desire and people just buy it hook line and sinker and so I bring this up because yeah, the differences between Hollywood and what's happening in the news same thing same people. Ah. 23:34.41 Dr_ Placebo Well. O. 23:47.63 Dr_ Placebo Yeah, no doubt like there's too much incentive and opportunity for that to not be going on I would say it would be foolish to not do that if one of the main goals is to control the domestic population and then. 23:50.16 mikebledsoe Same narratives. 23:56.61 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 24:07.36 Dr_ Placebo Maybe like a secondary goal is ah to defend against foreign invaders because one of them is way more likely to cause a problem actually historically speaking I mean yeah. 24:15.85 mikebledsoe 1 the and the United States that's absolutely true because get waging war on the us is difficult. There's you know two oceans between every yeah, geographically we're positioned really well. There's there's a lot of reasons. 24:25.97 Dr_ Placebo Yeah, there's a lot of reasons lot of reasons. Yeah, you got to watch out for Knida I hear their military has grown to 2000 people I don't know why I'm talking I don't know why I'm talking on Canada. 24:34.42 mikebledsoe Um. 24:38.76 mikebledsoe Sorry Canadian listeners to get fired up. 24:45.18 Dr_ Placebo Like Well what's the point there's it's like ah it's like picking on the small kid that's like hardly fair. Yeah, it's kind of funny I Guess yeah. 24:51.51 mikebledsoe Is got. It's like ah south part in South Bark and the was it Terrence and Philip did you ever watch south part. 25:02.14 Dr_ Placebo I watched ah tons of South Park I actually even caught their ah concert they did to celebrate their ah 25 year ah anniversary um, is on. It's on Youtube they showed the whole thing. It was incredible. 25:08.11 mikebledsoe Did you? Oh I thought you caught it live. 25:16.96 Dr_ Placebo Oh no, no I didn't go live but I did watch it at home. It was fantastic Man it was crazy I mean they got like ah the remaining members from rush to come play. You know they had they had like these serious rock stars like come out of retirement. 25:26.18 mikebledsoe Oh man. 25:34.67 Dr_ Placebo Just so they could play with the guys who made south park and I mean it just shows that what they've created ah goes across all these different genres of art and culture and I think those guys are absolute creative monsters. They played a ton of so it was just those guys are crazy talented crazy motivated. It was a hell of a cool thing to see ah six days to air. Great documentary. Terrific. That's how they stay so current. Meanwhile you know Simpsons. Ah. 25:59.88 mikebledsoe Well they they put the shows together in six days yeah Yeah 26:14.16 Dr_ Placebo Which also ah used to be a great show. Um, they're like six months out basically of what's going on so South Park is always crazy current on what's going on because they ah condense that creative work so much. 26:31.13 mikebledsoe Yeah, my my my favorite south part ever to this date I think I laughed harder on any other one was the ah when they covered the recession 2007 2008 and and when they chopped it. 26:42.57 Dr_ Placebo Oh that was good. So so funny. 26:46.97 mikebledsoe Head off the chicken and let it run around to figure out which who's gonna get bailed out next shit shit sent me over the fucking Moon I was I lost it ugly these people are complete geniuses is this so good. 27:01.42 Dr_ Placebo He's like trying to return a margarita v he's like well what we did is we took your Margaritaville loan and we bundled it together with a bunch of other Margaritaville loans and we traded it on the open market and then we have people betting. On the viability of the payback of those marker. It's like a fucking margarita maker but they're just going through the whole thing. Ah but through the lens of like an overpriced beverage machine is so funny. Those guys are absolute studs anyway, yeah so. 27:26.21 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 27:32.76 Dr_ Placebo Back to conspiracy theories. Ah which are really just ah I Guess it's like ah hypotheses right? It's not like it depends on. 27:42.35 mikebledsoe Right? Well here's the thing is here's the thing is I think we're conspiracy theories people with conspiracy theories get in trouble is when they believe them ah or people who hear conspiracy theory they believe it and it's as if they forget the theory part. And ah, you know there's you know who people are treating like conspiracy facts or conspiracy truth or whatever you want to call it and that's it's it's funny I get sometimes I'll meet somebody who's way into that I'm like like.. What do you believe? I'm like dude I have a hard time believing my own thoughts most of the time let alone some really complicated explanation of how we got this result and somehow you've connected all these dots. 28:27.26 Dr_ Placebo A. 28:34.74 mikebledsoe That are this infinite amount of information and go I know who the bad actorress I'm like oh I don't fucking know but I I do know who to avoid though. 28:41.80 Dr_ Placebo You know what? I think about all this I think that well when when I think about this sort of thing because I I try to use the scientific method which is not ah science tm it's the scientific method. Which is ah see guess test and record right? And if you're really being scientific about things. It really means you're using the scientific method and one of my favorite examples of abandoning the scientific method. Is by people who are atheists. This is a very very funny thing to me because in order to be an atheist the definition of an atheist. Is you believe there is no god certainly but what's funny is that is so far. Equally unproven as the fact is there are 1 or more gods now once again, it depends on your definition of god if you say god is something you believe without proof then there are ah you know certain gods available. Some people could say that money fiat money. Which is faith money is a type of god based on your semantic definition. But what's funny to me is that atheism is a religion of there is definitely no god meaning it is having faith that there is 0 gods. 30:16.86 Dr_ Placebo And religion is a faith based on. There is 1 or more gods. But if you are truly scientific about it. They are both equally invalid because the burden of proof should be on the one who's trying to prove it. So to me atheism is the absolute funniest religion because it's just based on elitism of I'm too smart to believe in 1 or more gods. But I'm also but that's what I'm saying. It's ah it's a cult. 30:41.50 mikebledsoe Well I think a lot of people just that they claim it because they don't want to appear stupid. Yeah. 30:50.28 Dr_ Placebo Of I'm smart. It has no bearing on science whatsoever agnostic is perfectly reasonable but atheism is ah like super unscientific right? So just because no one has proven. There is 1 or more gods doesn't. 31:02.36 mikebledsoe Yeah. 31:09.83 Dr_ Placebo Mean that there is definitely no gods. So it's ah it's like the funniest tribalistic religion that claims to be scientific, but their proof that there is no god is just as scientific as the proof that there is 1 or more which is zilch. If we're talking about the scientific method and that's what's so funny to me. So it's that my favorite example is that atheism is a religion also with no proof and so like like it's it's great. 31:43.30 mikebledsoe Yeah, there's I think there's a ah Terrence Mckenna quote and he he says something. Ah I'm not gonna quote it exactly but basically take a a scientific based sciencebased atheist and. 31:44.77 Dr_ Placebo You. Oh. 32:00.98 mikebledsoe To explain how the world started and it's like look you just give me 1 single miracle and I can explain everything else and it's like oh yeah, so you kind of stuck there. 32:07.90 Dr_ Placebo Right. 32:15.95 Dr_ Placebo Ah, totally even the name is very funny. The big bang that it's like the least scientific ah label I've ever heard. There was a it. It sounds like a a fucking ah ah, primitive tribe. 32:21.47 mikebledsoe Yeah, it's um. 32:33.90 Dr_ Placebo Trying to explain lightning or the sun. First there was a big boom and then there was fire. 32:34.12 mikebledsoe Well. 32:41.51 mikebledsoe Um, as you're you're so spot on so well we got this new telescope out there supposedly I don't know what to believe anymore. Um, probably cgi. Well you you know about the new telescope they put out there that makes the hubble. It's like 20 32:49.88 Dr_ Placebo I Think telescopes are awesome I Well I I I totally telescopes are cool telescopes and microscopes are. 32:58.47 mikebledsoe I Forget how many more times more powerful than the hubble it is but. 33:06.81 Dr_ Placebo Incredibly cool. 33:08.71 mikebledsoe So cool. So um I guess that all these scientists are questioning themselves now they these astrolog astronomers now astrologists astronomers. Um. 33:19.35 Dr_ Placebo K five. 33:25.48 mikebledsoe They're questioning everything because they're looking out there and going oh is the universe contracting and they're doing their job. So but here's. 33:31.70 Dr_ Placebo Wait They're questioning everything. Do you mean? they're doing science. 33:43.50 mikebledsoe I Mean we've already talked about this the scientific community at large is primarily filled with institutional thinking you know and ah yeah, so like I think some of these scientists are having you know existential crises at this moment is what it sounds like. 33:45.82 Dr_ Placebo Um, ah so it's a it's a little religion. It's a little religion. Yeah. 34:01.84 mikebledsoe Because the the new findings put the big bang in question and now they're going. Well we got to find an answer and it's interesting how we as humans. It's like we need to have some type of ah there's this desire to to ah Certainty. It's like if you. If you're an atheist or you're a Christian or you're a muslim or whatever it is. There's a level of certainty that's being clung to and that creates ah safety. So if I can come in the room and I can create certainty in the room then people feel safe and they. Their nervous system calms down and. 34:42.51 Dr_ Placebo That's why people make bomb shelters and and hide away bunkers. It's because there's a natural tendency to expand your sphere of control and um. So that that is a hunger that can never be totally filled because you're always going to find some new thing further as you project into the future. So. The only path is some acceptance right? But if you're a hardcore control freak and you must know and you must have certainty. Then there's no end to the certainty because then you'll be like okay, what about 10 years from now. Okay, what about 15 years from now. Okay, what about 50 years from now. Okay, what about my great-great-grandchildren how do I make sure that they survive to be 1000 years old and. 35:31.58 mikebledsoe Yeah, well, it's interesting. You bring that up the so we think about certainty and we're we're talking about how the universe started people are desiring to have certainty around that so they either choose a religion that has a story about how it started or. 35:32.70 Dr_ Placebo There's no end to it. 35:47.45 Dr_ Placebo Um, how nice that they don't have any real problems. 35:51.22 mikebledsoe Which which I I really like I really like ah yeah I like and I really like a lot of ah religious genesis stories because there's so many metaphors in these genesis stories around language and basically. 36:09.88 Dr_ Placebo Um, in the beginning there was the word and the word was god. 36:09.99 mikebledsoe Ah, the the exactly and so yeah and if you if you it's so easy I remember being a kid and hearing that and I go I don't know what the hell that means and. All right? So then he created Adam and then he created the mountains and the earth and oceans and all the ship in the the birds and the fishes and um, it's really like the way I read that now is it's um, it's a metaphor for consciousness. 36:28.41 Dr_ Placebo Right. 36:42.33 mikebledsoe Consciousness came online for human beings when language came online. Oh I now have a word for this and this word separates me from the from God the natural world and when when read that way. It makes a lot more sense to me. But when some. 36:45.15 Dr_ Placebo Oh. 36:57.72 Dr_ Placebo To me God is the genesis of an idea like that's why they say ah you know the word is God and God is the word is that that's the genesis of an idea. So ah, interestingly enough by that logic God is in fact, real. It's just been made by man just like logic is real and it's also a God Basically an idea that's been invented by man. Yeah. 37:24.78 mikebledsoe Well the well the idea the idea that um was it men don't have ideas ideas have men. Ah who that that's ah man was that voltaire not quite. 37:30.73 Dr_ Placebo Yeah, yeah. 37:37.64 Dr_ Placebo I think that was ah max shank who said that actually I'm just going to misattributing all these baller quotes from like many centuries ago and they'll be like wasn't that Plato I was like no that was me. 37:41.55 mikebledsoe Um, so ah, the a did I I. 37:55.31 Dr_ Placebo Because no one will no one will follow up very few people. 37:59.22 mikebledsoe I love posting really like I'll come across a quote and I'll put it on Twitter and then one out of 10 times I was like you know that's normally attributed to Martin Luther King Junior however it was really said by so I'm like get the fuck out of here focus focus on the quote. Don't worry about where it came from. 38:12.43 Dr_ Placebo Yeah I used to be like that too I used to be totally. Ah well my favorite quote is what's more important the quote or the quoter and that's ah my quote which is fucking hilarious I think because does it really matter who said it and what's funny. Is it. 38:24.97 mikebledsoe Ah, oh. 38:30.16 Dr_ Placebo Does it does a lot of the time sometimes there's a great quote from like an unknown monk in ah, 1500 Bc or something like that or 500 a d or whatever and people are like oh that's really cool but that would be the easiest quote to poach. 38:49.00 mikebledsoe Right? Like you know or you know the and Chinese proverb unknown um know yeah and you know that who you're quoting a context matters. So you know if it's a quote. Yeah, but. 38:52.78 Dr_ Placebo Right? right. 39:01.32 Dr_ Placebo The appeal to Authority That's God Also so God is the genesis of an idea. It's a word. It's a new idea and it's also um, that appeal to an authority. It's ah like a focal point. 39:11.28 mikebledsoe Well are are you coming? Are you coming at this from the perspective that that people create thoughts or ideas. 39:23.61 Dr_ Placebo Um, that's a good question I I believe that ah the thoughts that people have are a combination or permutation of what they have experienced. So. If you put a human being in a vacuum and just gave it food. It wouldn't learn. Ah how to speak it wouldn't learn language so it's just some sort of um. Synthesis or combination or permutation of everything that you are aware of and that's why the idea of having like the genesis of language at all is very interesting and there's a specificity of language. That occurs in many different animals like dolphins and orca have different languages or at least Orca have different languages based on the pod or the family that they're a part of ah green monkeys can lie and say look out. There's a hawk or and we don't know if it. It means hawk or if it just means danger from above but they have distinct calls for danger from above or danger from low below and what they'll do is they will lie. So like if you have a banana I'll say look out a hawk in green monkey language and you'll look out for the hawk and then I'll snatch your. 40:38.97 mikebledsoe A. 40:51.33 Dr_ Placebo Ah, your your banana right? So like it's literally the oldest trick in the book which is look over there while I Rob you so so language ah is I I think um the genesis of some ideas. But. 40:57.26 mikebledsoe Yeah, so. 41:08.71 Dr_ Placebo You know a polar bear may not have language but it can still plan a spider doesn't have language but it can still plan out an attack where it will like walk around and jump around until they're above their prey and then dangle themselves down mission Impossible style. So. 41:23.92 mikebledsoe Well well the question I got to ask next is so are are you I find there's 2 camps. There's one camp which is the most popular camp which is. The the materialistic view which is ah consciousness is a byproduct of biology like the biology exists not is what makes consciousness possible or is our. 41:51.49 Dr_ Placebo Um. 41:56.59 Dr_ Placebo And. 41:57.93 mikebledsoe Is physical matter a ah ah manifestation of consciousness. 42:05.38 Dr_ Placebo Um, you know that's a I knew that's the question you were going to ask actually? um, ah fortunately I have the exact correct answer which is ah how could I know? Ah, it's like ah I. 42:15.78 mikebledsoe Ooh. 42:21.20 Dr_ Placebo I can think so does that mean I am so is it I think therefore I am or I am therefore I think basically so our sensory ah Organs influence the way we interpret the world. 42:28.17 mikebledsoe Right. 42:40.26 Dr_ Placebo as well as um the the influence of our surroundings like in Africa there's way more words for green because the distinction between different plants is a little more important different words for snow in the inuit tribes. Because that distinction is way more important for survival. Um, whether you are ah, an animal having ah an experience of consciousness or whether you are a consciousness who has called yourself an animal is sort of like a chicken or the egg type of situation. My. My personal perspective is that the I that I refer to as I is um, basically a fabrication of our culture so without these ideas of. Names and things like that you would just be an animal and all animals have some level of consciousness ah mushrooms have some level of consciousness. It's it's a different level of consciousness than a human being. But the fact that they can you know send information miles across a web of mycelium as soon as they figure out how to digest a certain type of material like the biggest living organism is actually a mycelium I think it's an Oregon. 44:11.64 Dr_ Placebo And it's several square miles in size which is pretty cool and what'll happen is they'll encounter a material that they can't digest figure out a way to digest it and that information that signal will get sent all the way across the mycelium. 44:14.54 mikebledsoe Yeah. 44:29.63 Dr_ Placebo To the other side and then they'll start being able to digest that material whether that's like some sort of rocky mineral or ah or what have you? Ah so different animals and fungi have different levels of consciousness but ah just like the. Story of of God or no God or these gods or those gods. That's that's our invention. 44:57.47 mikebledsoe Yeah, the um, the perspective I I tend to hold is consciousness creates. There's when I when I went through the hermetic principles. The first principle is that everything is of mind and ah. The idea is that ah everything everything occurs in the mind first and when I when I'm holding that perspective I I find that to be the most useful I don't know which one is true and. 45:31.88 Dr_ Placebo And. 45:34.10 mikebledsoe Like you had said, there's no way to know. Um, you know I I think some people have had some experiences that would have them really believe one way or another for me personally I find it to be more useful to ah to be of the. Belief that consciousness is creating everything it to me. It makes everything a little more malleable and if I believe that anything could be changed through thought. Ah then. 46:10.40 mikebledsoe Then that that seems much more powerful to me and. 46:14.32 Dr_ Placebo There's a great book by Richard Bachman called illusions that I really like it kind of talks about that. How you you know like ah the only reason you can't swim through the earth and stand on the water is because of your belief in the illusion. 46:18.25 mikebledsoe I've read that? yeah. 46:30.80 mikebledsoe Well here's the thing is okay so I the way I see is you don't have a separate mind that I have there's one mind we all share it. You just have different you just you just? yes, you just. 46:30.87 Dr_ Placebo That it can only work a certain way. 46:42.87 Dr_ Placebo For humans humans only so one species has one hive mind. Basically yeah. 46:52.15 mikebledsoe Yeah, we have a certain filter. Um, you know what? I'm gonna have to sit with that one I'm gonna go back and sit with that that question ah because they animals just may have the filter. So the way I see is we share the same mind Consciousness is expanding. 46:59.74 Dr_ Placebo And. 47:09.81 mikebledsoe Um, the universe is doing its thing and um may Ornet may not be expanding I'm sure it goes through expansions and contractions just like everything else. Another hermetic print principle being as above so below and. 47:21.46 Dr_ Placebo How could we measure. 47:27.20 mikebledsoe We can measure it to a point. But yeah, once you get out there. It's not going to happen. Ah so ah, we all have like this super mind and this is why a lot of the same ideas occur to people around the planet simultaneously or they've done studies with rats where. They're teaching them something in a lab in France and then a lab in Alaska they see those rats be able to solve whatever puzzle that was taught to the rats in France and so you know there they never so met they stayed in those locations. There was no. 47:53.45 Dr_ Placebo M. 48:03.33 mikebledsoe No communication between the two that we we would know about and yet they still do that So there. There are some I don't of I would call it ah evidence for it. But there's definitely correlative evidence for that argument and so I really like to think about it as like. These aren't even my thoughts I'm not these are thoughts that are flowing through me and my filter is allowing me to have you know certain thoughts where I'm allowing those thoughts to come and go and so I become a lot less attached to like this is even mine I get a conversation with someone we're having where brainstorming. It's like. This isn't really my thought it's not your thought it's you know it's this is just a thing that's happening right Now. So I like the thing about it like that and I find that to be ah the most useful there's another point I was going? yeah. 48:49.32 Dr_ Placebo Ah. 48:57.34 Dr_ Placebo It makes you sound pretty cool Either way I but I think so ah yeah, it's like ah I I don't think you're using it that way. But it's funny because it's kind of like. 49:01.28 mikebledsoe Does it perfect. That's what I was going for I mean that's the real use utility here. 49:14.95 Dr_ Placebo Kind of like the coolness factor is apathy. So the super enlightened factor is it's not about me man. It's just about you know the collective. Whatever's going I'm just a conduit I'm just a channel for what's happening now there there is no me man and you're like fuck that guy sounds really cool. 49:25.33 mikebledsoe Yeah. 49:33.24 Dr_ Placebo And then what ends up happening is the guy's like fuck. Maybe I am really cool and then it it comes like crashing down and I've experienced that personally a few times myself where I'm like oh man I'm really just like you know I'm I am I'm in it. It's not. There's no me I'm just like. 49:40.90 mikebledsoe Um, be. 49:52.95 Dr_ Placebo It's all happening right now and I'm a big part of it and then I go fuck I think I must be pretty enlightened and then just fucking back to the basement like shoots and ladders all the way back to level 1 49:58.48 mikebledsoe Yeah, the the prop the problem is when you get credit for it. That's that's when it happens someone else gives you credit you give yourself credit and then yeah, then it all just falls at pieces. 50:06.65 Dr_ Placebo Well, that's what. 50:14.14 Dr_ Placebo Well and that's also like the the bane of the guru like I was talking um talking with my buddy Brian this morning. Um I know I was well I was talking to him. But yesterday I was talking to ah another gal who works with me Victoria and she got me this lovely book. Ah, that I haven't read yet. Just got it for me wrote a really nice note in it. Ah and I was like oh man, that's so nice and it's by brene brown and brene brown is one of those people who if you're a lady you have to think she's awesome and. I think she is I think she's got a ton of really good ideas. But I think um as you embody the guru more and more you have to create more stuff so you have to muddy the waters a little bit otherwise you sound like what people call a broken record. So what I notice. Is that someone will have a few fantastic idea and I don't know I haven't read the book. It could be like life changing best book I've ever read. But if a pert. 51:18.31 mikebledsoe Rene Brown is good but to me falls into a similar categories Tony Robbins there's some good stuff in there. But if you dig further beyond the self-love conversation. She gets look. She's an expert in 1 thing and. And think she got lost in some other stuff. 51:35.24 Dr_ Placebo So selling herself right? And that's what I'm talking about with guruism like you have people with good ideas like Jocko. Ah good ideas. But there's a hunger for more and people are like guru. Ah please tell tell me what. Tell me the truth illuminate the way and if the guru says I already did it fits on an index card like I'm done like go do the thing I said people are like I think I'll find a new guru and they're like wait a second I just thought of something in fact, in. 51:57.77 mikebledsoe Yeah. 52:08.50 mikebledsoe I got bills to pay. Ah. 52:11.00 Dr_ Placebo In fact, it's even it's even better than what I taught you before. In fact, this secret I Just I just unveiled and you know so like the that's what I mean with like the bane of the guru is now you have embodied the guru. And I felt that happen to myself which is why I just fucking vanished off the face of the internet for several years and people are like what what totally totally man. 52:34.54 mikebledsoe As you're as you're talking about this. Um I relate completely because I I kind of I fell off as well. Yeah, it was like it's like oh I got to keep making shit up. Ah life is actually pretty good. It's pretty simple, pretty straightforward. 52:45.86 Dr_ Placebo I Wrote 200 plus articles about exercise I Taught 200 seminars all over the world I wrote all these books and video courses and they're excellent by the way like my latest couple primal athleticism and elasticity available on maxshank.com Are so good. They're They're really good. But also if you are having to keep pace with some sort of artificially imposed ah like guruism you're going to muddy the waters a little too much and that's. Um I don't know other than repeating yourself a lot if there is a way to avoid that because there's definitely a hunger and a thirst for knowledge and if you have embodied the characteristics or the character. The avatar of the guru. There's There's definitely a pressure to to make more of this this thing than there actually needs to be. 53:43.48 mikebledsoe But me. 53:50.60 mikebledsoe Yeah, well um, think of my friend Jesse Elder who's amazing. Love that guy and so inspired by his creativity and he tends to attract hit huh. 54:07.11 Dr_ Placebo Here comes here. It comes. Ah. 54:07.94 mikebledsoe But he had. He's very good at attracting a crowd and he's got that guru vibe goinglling on and the thing that impresses me with him is when I met him in 2014 he was just getting started on the like speaking gig thing. 54:12.97 Dr_ Placebo So ah. 54:23.49 Dr_ Placebo Um. 54:24.94 mikebledsoe And what he was talking about then and what he's talking about now is very much the same but he's so good at creating new context and and weaving together stories to bring people in so like it's it's he he really has gotten it to some core truths and he's really good at. 54:38.74 Dr_ Placebo Whoa. 54:44.85 mikebledsoe Ah, communicating it. But what I'm most impressed with is is a ability to communicate those in a way that people can receive has continuously improved over the years and I love seeing you know I'll see him speak and then three months later seem to speak again and he's cleaned it up or he's tightened it up or he's. 55:02.41 Dr_ Placebo Yeah. 55:04.37 mikebledsoe Ah, or he's using a new analogy to get the point across like guy. He's like oh now he's nailing it now. He's nailing it. It's almost like watching you know a comic you know, develop a routine over a year yeah it's like the first show you're like yeah, it's a little clunky and then by the time they're on Netflix special. it's it's tight 55:09.85 Dr_ Placebo Who hone their routine. It's magic. 55:24.50 mikebledsoe So I think that there's I think there's ah that impresses me and I really like that. So there's that's somebody who does have he doesn't I don't think he tries to be a guru but he definitely has you know people people follow him like. 55:27.13 Dr_ Placebo Whoa. 55:34.36 Dr_ Placebo Oh. 55:43.60 mikebledsoe Cult Leader style. 55:43.21 Dr_ Placebo And that's what will happen if you get better and better at transmitting ideas right? is you will You will attract a crowd and so it's like can you maintain that integrity without the crowd. 55:48.34 mikebledsoe Yeah. 55:59.52 Dr_ Placebo Transforming you into something different like I saw this great video the other day by this Youtube channel after school and it showed this ah transformation of this kid who was like a violin prodigy and then he turned into this guy who just. Eats tons of food like he challenges himself. So the guy gained like hundreds of pounds of fat. He oh dude. So it's like 1 of the most recent after school videos Skool and it goes through this like no one cared that he was ah. 56:22.31 mikebledsoe What. 56:36.21 Dr_ Placebo A Violin prodigy but he like ate a big meal once and people were like yeah we like that and so he he was transformed by by the audience because they were craving something else and he's like okay I'll I'll just be that right. 56:51.38 mikebledsoe Or he's craving validation are you? Oh you're gonna validate me. Yeah, we want to be loved. 56:56.51 Dr_ Placebo Aren't we all We want to be Loved. We want. What do we want? um attention power Love mostly we want Love if we can't get Love. We'll settle for power if we can't get Power. We'll settle for attention and if you ah aren't getting the attention you want. And then you do something and suddenly you are oh look out that's temptation big time like I used to get ah like high fives and praise and people would even applaud if I could drink the most poison in college like if I could drink a ah. An alcoholic beverage Really fast. So before I knew what was going on I'm taking like 4 lokos and shotgunning them before ten a M because everyone's like Wow What a what a tough cool guy you are and I I Really liked that positive feedback. So yeah, it's.. It's easy to see why people go down certain paths because these ah these base desires for love power attention ah are almost impossible to avoid. 58:10.55 mikebledsoe Well that that makes me think about my my fitness career and I remember I was I was fifteen years I was like well I had like um. 58:15.49 Dr_ Placebo Me too I talk about that all the time. 58:24.23 mikebledsoe I didn't feel like I was getting love. So yeah, maybe it was attention but the what ended up happening is I remember I couldn't I couldn't wait till my fifteenth birthday because on my fifteenth birthday I was allowed to go to the gym and lift weights because my parents didn't want me to stunt my growth and which we know is all bullshit now. But. 58:39.13 Dr_ Placebo But depends on depends on the level I think if you do gymnastics from age 5 You're probably going to grow less. 58:43.77 mikebledsoe Like a lot mom. 58:50.42 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah, so ah, as soon as I turned 15 I started working out all the time. My dad worked construction. He saw that I was basically burning a lot of energy unnecessarily you know wasn't. 58:54.93 Dr_ Placebo O who. What right? right? o. 59:06.26 mikebledsoe And wasn't making any money. Ah, he's used to like yeah pick up heavy shit and walk around and you know we make money when we do it. We're we're being of service and and my perception of how he viewed what I was doing was ah that it was just a ah superficial. Ah, frivolous pursuit and he was like he's like you're never going to make any money. Ah, you're never going to make any money working out and I remember thinking I was like I'll fucking show. You. 59:27.30 Dr_ Placebo Frivolous. 59:36.94 Dr_ Placebo Um, I'll show you dad I'll show you? um oh my God are those like the famous last words I'll show them I'll show all of them. 59:45.80 mikebledsoe Um, and that's what you want to make yourself miserable live like that. So and there were what will ended up happening is I ended up proving him wrong. Um. 59:54.71 Dr_ Placebo Ah, bro. 59:58.53 Dr_ Placebo And. 01:00:01.65 mikebledsoe And but it's not like I only got paid to work out sometimes I was getting paid to work out but I was getting paid for a bunch of other shit too And um, no, that's not true when I was in the Navy I got paid to work out. 01:00:06.44 Dr_ Placebo Yeah, dude, you never got paid to work out though you got paid to like run a company built around people working out you. 01:00:22.13 Dr_ Placebo That's ah like you got paid extra. You didn't get paid to work out motherfucker you got paid to be in the Navy bitch. Basically what I'm saying is your dad was right. 01:00:23.50 mikebledsoe No, no, no I mean it was it was. 01:00:32.97 mikebledsoe Ah, well I'll tell you there there is that I was I was. 01:00:38.20 Dr_ Placebo Your dad was right? That's all I'm saying. 01:00:41.75 mikebledsoe I do remember I was I was nineteen years old I was in I was in coronado I'm running on the beach with a group of guys and all we're doing is you know, swimming running and managing being cold as fuck and that was it and I was like I was like. 01:00:48.10 Dr_ Placebo Oh. 01:01:01.79 mikebledsoe Fucking Did it I'm getting paid to work out and you know it was very short lived Um, because. 01:01:02.41 Dr_ Placebo And also not true. You were basically paid to be a weapon and your exercising was like greasing the barrel and the parts basically like. 01:01:14.92 mikebledsoe Um, you are 100% accurate about that. Yeah I was ah you know, ah, it's so funny like people are like wow thank you know you're a veteran. Oh thank you I'm like um I'm like I'm like as I got duped you know like I got. 01:01:25.35 Dr_ Placebo Thank you for your service. 01:01:35.14 mikebledsoe Like you're like congratulating me for being a ah for getting duped I appreciate it. Yeah I went and basically worked for the the biggest gangsters on the planet. So cool you know? ah I was muscle for the biggest gangsters on the planet for. 01:01:47.53 Dr_ Placebo Um, hey if you're gonna be in a gang be in the toughest one. It's still like. Ah. 01:01:51.85 mikebledsoe Ah, through a period of time being the biggest baddest toughest one and I was so so eat it. 01:01:59.91 Dr_ Placebo It's still the great. It's It's still the great pirates. It's the same shit is still ah the great pirates who has the fastest boats who has the best range. It's ah hilarious. How true that is. 01:02:02.28 mikebledsoe Yeah, yeah. 01:02:08.18 mikebledsoe Totally yeah so it's funny because a number of years ago. Not that long ago I remember I had that memory I go I go oh my god this is about five years ago I was like oh my god is my entire. Fucking career built around that moment where I was going to prove my dad wrong. do I do I really like working out. Ah do I like talking about fitness do I really like these things and the reality is is yeah I do love health and fitness and I i. Find time in the gym almost every day and I enjoy myself in there. It's one way I show myself love and it doesn't play nearly the role it used to There's so many other interests that get play time and then in addition to that i. I'm showing myself love by taking care of my body but I'm not working out for any type of validation from other people anymore. So it's it's caused me to be in a much better spot and dude I probably make less money because I I seek less validation. 01:03:08.31 Dr_ Placebo Yeah I get it. 01:03:21.22 mikebledsoe Ah, if I if I was one of those people I I listen like no like no the Alex warmosi was talking about this in a video. He's basically saying like insecurity is what you need to be a you know 100 millionaire I'm like you might be right because i. 01:03:22.39 Dr_ Placebo You don't have the same motivation to like you don't care like so value. 01:03:38.94 mikebledsoe Have very few insecurities these days and the necessity that. 01:03:42.22 Dr_ Placebo If you don't feel secure if you don't feel secure with $50000000 then a hundred isn't going to make you feel secure. You know what I'm saying like that that's sort of like what I'm talking about is like who's to say that what's right for you is right for me. It's like why? ah like Gary Vaynerchuk 01:03:51.67 mikebledsoe Um, a. 01:03:59.16 mikebledsoe Yeah. 01:04:00.33 Dr_ Placebo Gary Vee that fucking guy that guy to me is out of his god damn mind and he might have a few good ideas like let's not discount it. But. 01:04:08.94 mikebledsoe Ah I'll say he's made improvements over the years his message five years ago versus today has as improved and from what I can see. 01:04:16.60 Dr_ Placebo And that's cool, but like what we said is you know when we see other people we see through a window so we don't see the big. We don't see the whole thing that's going on and there is nothing to cloud our evaluation of it. When we look at ourselves we look into a mirror so we see basically the whole thing and we have our ego in the way. So that's why I say it's harder to look into a a mirror than it is to look through a window but of course that's because you don't see the big picture. You're more objective rather than subjective about the whole thing. But with um, you know these guys who assume this avatar you know they they embody this persona and you're almost caught in a loop where you're it's sort of a sunk cost fallacy you know Gary Vee I got to own the jets. Someday and look for him that might be exactly the right thing. So I don't want to say that that's a bad goal because it's his goal but it's not my goal like I would not trade ah playing tennis and hanging out with my dogs more often. Ah. To sacrifice maybe owning a sports team because to me that's like no extra value. You know what I'm saying so that idea of insecurity will lead you to a hundred million I mean maybe maybe not but like. 01:05:48.19 Dr_ Placebo Why do you want that in the first place is it because you really believe in what you're doing is it because you feel like 10000000 just won't be good enough or 20 or or whatever I mean it's ah it's really a funny thing like how we fall into these patterns. 01:06:00.19 mikebledsoe I I invested in a sports team once to look cool. Yeah yeah, and then the entire league went belly up like two months after I invested and I lost all my money. 01:06:06.17 Dr_ Placebo Really nice. 01:06:16.55 mikebledsoe That I what I felt cool for about three days and I I got like I got like 15 now I would say the highlight this is the highlight. 01:06:16.61 Dr_ Placebo did you feel cool for two months though did you feel cool for two months though did you get any swag like like ah a hat. 01:06:35.50 mikebledsoe Is what $60000 got me by the way is got me about 10 or 15 tickets at Madison square gardens in New York City ah some like front row shit and I got to like. 01:06:42.97 Dr_ Placebo So. 01:06:48.19 mikebledsoe All my all my northeast friends I called him up I was like meet me at Massison You know we're gonna meet at the bar Beforehand have some drinks go watch the teams compete. So like I had ownership in it. It was the grid league. It was that Crossfit Rip off. 01:06:56.30 Dr_ Placebo Ah, what? what? sport. 01:07:05.34 Dr_ Placebo Nice. 01:07:06.80 mikebledsoe And which I think that sport still exists I actually prefer it over c

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Seriah hosts Joshua Cutchin, Barbara Fisher, and Octavian Graves for a wide ranging discussion focused in part on Josh's new book "An Ecology of Souls". Topics include UFOs, Bigfoot, interactions with the dead, music and pop culture, perspectives on aging, "Stranger Things", reincarnation, panpsychism, the paranormal entertainment industry, fakery, a questionable hominid skull, internet/social media personalities, magick in its many forms, shamanic journeys, Carl Jung, Terrence McKenna, consciousness, psychedelics, an unusual meeting with Robert Anton Wilson, Travis Walton, and much more! This is a round table with real chemistry, not to be missed! - Recap by Vincent Treewell of The Weird Part Podcast Outro Music by Mothers of Jupiter with Hush Download

Seriah hosts Joshua Cutchin, Barbara Fisher, and Octavian Graves for a wide ranging discussion focused in part on Josh's new book "An Ecology of Souls". Topics include UFOs, Bigfoot, interactions with the dead, music and pop culture, perspectives on aging, "Stranger Things", reincarnation, panpsychism, the paranormal entertainment industry, fakery, a questionable hominid skull, internet/social media personalities, magick in its many forms, shamanic journeys, Carl Jung, Terrence McKenna, consciousness, psychedelics, an unusual meeting with Robert Anton Wilson, Travis Walton, and much more! This is a round table with real chemistry, not to be missed! - Recap by Vincent Treewell of The Weird Part Podcast Outro Music by Mothers of Jupiter with Hush Download

Robbie and Abby Martin continue their psychedelic series with an episode about the DEA raid on the LSD missile silo manufacturing plant, Robbie's quest for psychedelics online, his experience taking 2-C-T-7 and dangerous attempts to synthesize DMT at his home. They discuss the fear campaign around several overdoses of 2-C-T-7 and introduce the groundbreaking life and work of the brilliant chemist behind 200+ psychedelic analogs, including MDMA, Alexander “Sasha” Shulgin and his wife Anne. This is Episode 5 of an ongoing series on Psychedelic History, Episodes 1-5 are availible now. Patreon subscribers at the $5 tier get access to Episode 4 of the series: www.patreon.com/mediarootsradio Previous: Episode 1: A Brief History of Hallucinogens, MK-Ultra, the CIA, LSD, Leary & the Psychedelic 60s / 70s Episode 2: How Raves Brought Back the Psychedelic Subculture, DanceSafe, Pill Tests & the DEA vs MDMA Episode 3: Terrence McKenna, Johnathan Ott, DMT, Pharmahuasca, Heroic Dosing, Utopianism & the Psychedelic New Age Episode 4: When Microsoft Employee #9 Boosted an Online Psychedelic Revolution, Erowid.org, DXM & Salvia FOLLOW // twitter.com/AbbyMartin // twitter.com/FluorescentGrey //

Abby and Robbie dive deeper into the life and work of Sasha and Anne Shulgin and their close yet tumultuous relationship with the DEA, their books PiHKAL / TiHKAL , the raid of his home and the crackdown on “designer drug” internet retailers that were selling pure chemical drugs following the recipies from both of Shulgin's books. This is Episode 6 of an ongoing series on Psychedelic History, Episodes 1-6 are availible now. Patreon subscribers at the $5 tier get access to Episode 4 of the series: www.patreon.com/mediarootsradio Previous: Episode 1: A Brief History of Hallucinogens, MK-Ultra, the CIA, LSD, Leary & the Psychedelic 60s / 70s Episode 2: How Raves Brought Back the Psychedelic Subculture, DanceSafe, Pill Tests & the DEA vs MDMA Episode 3: Terrence McKenna, Johnathan Ott, DMT, Pharmahuasca, Heroic Dosing, Utopianism & the Psychedelic New Age Episode 4: When Microsoft Employee #9 Boosted an Online Psychedelic Revolution, Erowid.org, DXM & Salvia Episode 5: the Acid Drought, Making DMT, A Godfather of Psychedelic Analogs & His Problem Child 2-C-T-7 FOLLOW // twitter.com/AbbyMartin // twitter.com/FluorescentGrey //

Rushkoff explores the ecosystem of the early internet, the transition from a passive-to-active media environment, and how digital technology disrupts legacy media gatekeepers in a preview of this week's bonus content, an interview Rushkoff did about Cyberia for KOPB public radio in 1994.

Media Roots Radio on Psychedelics: Episode 1: A Brief History of Hallucinogens, MK-Ultra, the CIA, LSD, Leary & the Psychedelic Sixties / Seventies Robbie and Abby Martin start the series by exploring the Western world's initiation into psychedelics: the CIA buying up the world's supply of LSD to administer MK-Ultra's dark experimentation against unwitting subjects as well as thousands of volunteers through research organizations and front groups at elite universities which spawned Silicon Valley. They discuss the evolution of main characters like Timothy Leary and how the San Francisco Bay Area became a hotbed of psychedelic renaissance through the hippie movement, from the Grateful Dead to Ken Kesey. Figures like John Lilly were attempting to sync consciousness with dolphins using hallucinogenic drugs and performance art by the likes of Alex Grey and others became representative of the era. Nixon's 'War on Drugs' started the reactionary wave of psychedelic criminalization. This is Episode 1 of an ongoing series on Psychedelic History, Episodes 1-4 are availible now. Patreon subscribers at the $5 tier get access to Episode 4 of the series: www.patreon.com/mediarootsradio Episode 2: How Raves Brought Back the Psychedelic Subculture, DanceSafe, Pill Tests & the DEA vs MDMA Episode 3: Terrence McKenna, Johnathan Ott, DMT, Pharmahuasca, Heroic Dosing, Utopianism & the Psychedelic New Age Episode 4: When Microsoft Employee #9 Boosted an Online Psychedelic Revolution, Erowid.org, DXM & Salvia [Patreon Subscriber Exclusive] FOLLOW // twitter.com/AbbyMartin // twitter.com/FluorescentGrey //

Media Roots Radio on Psychedelics: Episode 2: How Raves Brought Back the Psychedelic Subculture, DanceSafe, Pill Tests & the DEA vs MDMA Robbie and Abby Martin discuss the resurgence of psychedelics in the 80s through underground raves. Unregulated warehouse parties featured the revival of psychedelics like LSD and the arrival of MDMA and ecstasy during the era of Regan's 'War on Drugs.' Out of this subculture came DanceSafe, which administered the safe testing of ecstasy pills, and a new government fear campaign. Featuring exclusive insight from DanceSafe founder Emanuel Sferios about the suspicious flooding of the ecstasy market with DXM to help paint MDMA as a dangerous drug that melts brains. This is Episode 2 of an ongoing series on Psychedelic History, Episodes 1-4 are availible now. Patreon subscribers at the $5 tier get access to Episode 4 of the series: www.patreon.com/mediarootsradio Episode 3: Terrence McKenna, Johnathan Ott, DMT, Pharmahuasca, Heroic Dosing, Utopianism & the Psychedelic New Age Episode 4: When Microsoft Employee #9 Boosted an Online Psychedelic Revolution, Erowid.org, DXM & Salvia [Patreon Subscriber Exclusive] FOLLOW // twitter.com/AbbyMartin // twitter.com/FluorescentGrey //

Media Roots Radio on Psychedelics: Episode 3: Terrence McKenna, Ott, DMT, Pharmahuasca, Heroic Dosing, Utopianism & the Entheogen New Age Abby and Robbie dive into the psychonauts that repopularized psychedelics in the 80s and 90s, focusing on the brilliant visionary riddler Terrence McKenna and his wild theories––from Stoned Ape to TimeWave Zero––his promotion of heroic dosing, his mainstreaming of DMT and the notion of DMT 'machine elves.' They explore the complicated nature of McKenna's legacy, including the pitfalls of the utopianism that he and others elevated about heroic dosing. They also cover the lesser known Johnathan Ott, a chemist who coined the term entheogen and pushed for the production of a Pharmahuasca, a pharmaceutical pill version of Ayahuasca. This is Episode 3 of an ongoing series on Psychedelic History, Episodes 1-4 are availible now. Patreon subscribers at the $5 tier get access to Episode 4 of the series: www.patreon.com/mediarootsradio Next: Episode 4: When Microsoft Employee #9 Boosted an Online Psychedelic Revolution, Erowid.org, DXM & Salvia [Patreon Subscriber Exclusive] FOLLOW // twitter.com/AbbyMartin // twitter.com/FluorescentGrey //

Here's a preview of this week's bonus content: Douglas Rushkoff delivers a reading of Cyberia: Life in the Trenches of Cyberspace Rushkoff at Powell's Books in 1994.

We always knew but now we know. The tech elite mean to leave us all behind. Tune in for a special announcement from Rushkoff about his new book, Survival of the Richest. Available everywhere September 6, 2022.

How can we come to understand the human propensity to organize chaotic experiences into narrative, and our tendency to mistake our narratives for reality? Rushkoff explores in a talk originally delivered at Cyber Salon 2002.

How can we view Judaism as less of a religion and more of an approach to media and society? Rushkoff explains in an interview originally recorded April 2002. From KAOS radio, Olympia, Washington.

Here's an excerpt from a keynote talk Rushkoff delivered at Trend Day 2002, an annual conference presented by Der Spiegel. Rushkoff discusses how the advent of interactivity has rendered the main means of communication obsolete and why corporations feel threatened by people creating and enjoying their own content.

Here's an excerpt from a keynote talk Rushkoff delivered at the Silicon Alley Jewish Center in the early-2000s. Rushkoff explores the tenants of Judaism to learn if they can be applied to surveillance technology.