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In this engaging episode, Tom and Simon reconnect to discuss various riveting cases and police strategies. Kicking off with the announcement that their live event at the Mitchell Library has sold out, they humorously banter about their upcoming appearances and the success of their TikTok video, which garnered nearly 60,000 views. The conversation transitions into serious territory as they delve into the latest work of their Deep Dive team, reviewing landmark cases such as Colin Pitchfork's, the first murder case solved using DNA. Tom elaborates on the significance of DNA in modern investigations and its dual role in convicting criminals and exonerating the innocent. The duo also discusses the London bombings, their impact on police procedures, and the tragic errors like the mistaken shooting of Jean Charles de Mendez. The historical “Siege of Sydney Street” is revisited, highlighting early 20th-century anarchist activities and the birth of media spectacles around crime. Next, they explore the profound ramifications of the Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman murder case by Ian Huntley, emphasizing how it exposed systemic flaws in intelligence sharing. Tom narrates the gripping 'Leith Outrages' case, an 1881 series of crimes committed by Australian outlaws in Edinburgh, underscoring the tenacity of the Leith Borough Police. Concluding with the 1968 Democratic National Convention riots in Chicago, they reflect on effective crowd control tactics and the consequences of Mayor Richard Daley's confrontational approach. The episode wraps up with lighthearted planning for their next live show at The 3 Craws, encouraging audience engagement on social media platforms like TikTok, Facebook, and Twitter.00:00 Welcome and Banter00:48 Upcoming Events and Live Shows02:06 BBC's Peter Tobin Story03:54 Viral TikTok Success06:22 The Pitchfork Case and DNA Revolution13:13 London Bombings and Anti-Terrorism Efforts21:29 The Siege of Sydney Street27:59 Policing and Intelligence Sharing28:23 Ian Huntley Case Analysis29:45 Lessons Learned and System Improvements31:38 Challenges in Modern Policing34:20 Historical Case: Edinburgh Leith Outrages41:43 Chicago Riots of 196845:19 Crowd Control and Policing Strategies51:42 Upcoming Live Show and Closing Remarks Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode of Crime Time Inc., we delve into the case of Colin Pitchfork, a landmark moment in forensic science history that profoundly affected England in the 1980s. The discussion centers on the murders of two 15-year-old girls, Linda Mann and Dawn Ashworth, and the revolutionary introduction of DNA profiling in criminal investigations. We explore the brutality of the crimes, the initial investigative challenges using traditional methods, and the subsequent introduction of DNA profiling by Alec Jeffries, which not only cleared an innocent suspect but also led to Pitchfork's arrest through a massive DNA screening effort. The episode highlights the ethical and logistical complexities of building DNA databases, their impact on solving countless crimes globally, and the balance between public safety and privacy concerns. We also touch on the contentious issues around Pitchfork's parole, his brief release in 2021, and the ongoing debates about his potential for rehabilitation. The case posed significant questions about justice, technology, and ethics, making it relevant to contemporary discussions. Tune in for a compelling exploration of how one tragic case triggered monumental advances in forensic science and continues to provoke thought on ethics and privacy.00:00 Introduction to the Colin Pitchfork Case00:38 The Murders of Linda Mann and Dawn Ashworth01:30 The Breakthrough of DNA Profiling02:41 The Massive DNA Screening03:30 Pitchfork's Capture and Confession04:37 The Legacy of the Pitchfork Case05:56 Ethical Concerns of DNA Databases07:00 Pitchfork's Parole and Reincarceration08:55 The Ongoing Debate: Justice vs. Rehabilitation12:20 Conclusion and Reflections Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

From criminal cases to designer babies, DNA is reshaping humanity's future. Michael Regilio unravels this double helix of discovery on Skeptical Sunday! Welcome to Skeptical Sunday, a special edition of The Jordan Harbinger Show where Jordan and a guest break down a topic that you may have never thought about, open things up, and debunk common misconceptions. This time around, we’re joined by skeptic, comedian, and podcaster Michael Regilio! On This Week's Skeptical Sunday, We Discuss: DNA is simultaneously microscopic and massive in scale — while coiled up tightly in each cell's nucleus, if you unraveled all the DNA in a single human body and laid it end-to-end, it would stretch to the sun not once, but 600 times! This mind-bending fact perfectly illustrates how we're all walking around with an astronomical amount of genetic information packed into our cells. The ethical implications of DNA databases are more complex than a double helix — even if you never take a genetic test yourself, your relatives' DNA decisions can expose your genetic information. It's like playing genetic poker where someone else can accidentally show your hand. This raises serious concerns about privacy, insurance discrimination, and how genetic information could be weaponized by bad actors. CRISPR technology has opened Pandora's genetic toolbox — while it offers incredible potential for treating diseases like sickle cell anemia, it also enables the possibility of "designer babies" and genetic enhancements that could create new forms of social inequality. We're essentially writing code for humans now, but without a clear user manual for the consequences. DNA evidence has revolutionized criminal justice — but it took decades to establish proper standards and protocols. From its first use in catching Colin Pitchfork (whose villainous name seems almost too on-the-nose) to modern genetic genealogy solving cold cases, DNA has become the ultimate witness that never forgets and never lies. Understanding and working with DNA is becoming increasingly accessible and beneficial — from personalized medicine to ancestry exploration to crop improvements, we all have opportunities to engage with and benefit from DNA science. By staying informed about genetic advances while thoughtfully considering their implications, we can help shape a future where this powerful technology serves humanity's best interests rather than our darker impulses. Connect with Jordan on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube. If you have something you'd like us to tackle here on Skeptical Sunday, drop Jordan a line at jordan@jordanharbinger.com and let him know! Connect with Michael Regilio at Twitter, Instagram, and

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Today we're going to explore a historic case that changed the course of criminal investigations forever: the first-ever case solved by DNA fingerprinting. This groundbreaking technique was used to catch Colin Pitchfork, a man responsible for the brutal murders of two young girls, Lynda Mann and Dawn Ashworth, in the 1980s. What started as a complex investigation, with dead end after dead end, took a revolutionary turn when DNA evidence exposed the killer in a way that had never been done before.

Mike takes on the Shadow Secretary of State for Science over Labour's rumoured tax hikes, Alberto Costa MP about the parole hearing of Colin Pitchfork and Sadiq Khan stepping out of the pecking order having a go at Donald Trump Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

REDIFF - Il s'appelle Colin Pitchfork mais je ne suis pas sûr que cet homme nous évoque immédiatement quelque chose. Pourtant, le nom de cet Anglais est depuis plus de trente ans inscrit à jamais dans l'histoire du crime. Pitchfork est le premier meurtrier à avoir été confondu par l'ADN. Le meurtrier zéro comme on parle parfois du patient zéro. C'était en 1987 et cette nouvelle science venait de changer à jamais la marche des enquêtes policières. Retrouvez tous les jours en podcast le décryptage d'un faits divers, d'un crime ou d'une énigme judiciaire par Jean-Alphonse Richard, entouré de spécialistes, et de témoins d'affaires criminelles. Ecoutez L'heure du Crime du 23 février 2024 avec Jean-Alphonse Richard.

REDIFF - Il s'appelle Colin Pitchfork mais je ne suis pas sûr que cet homme nous évoque immédiatement quelque chose. Pourtant, le nom de cet Anglais est depuis plus de trente ans inscrit à jamais dans l'histoire du crime. Pitchfork est le premier meurtrier à avoir été confondu par l'ADN. Le meurtrier zéro comme on parle parfois du patient zéro. C'était en 1987 et cette nouvelle science venait de changer à jamais la marche des enquêtes policières. Retrouvez tous les jours en podcast le décryptage d'un faits divers, d'un crime ou d'une énigme judiciaire par Jean-Alphonse Richard, entouré de spécialistes, et de témoins d'affaires criminelles. Ecoutez L'heure du Crime du 23 février 2024 avec Jean-Alphonse Richard.

REDIFF - Il s'appelle Colin Pitchfork mais je ne suis pas sûr que cet homme nous évoque immédiatement quelque chose. Pourtant, le nom de cet Anglais est depuis plus de trente ans inscrit à jamais dans l'histoire du crime. Pitchfork est le premier meurtrier à avoir été confondu par l'ADN. Le meurtrier zéro comme on parle parfois du patient zéro. C'était en 1987 et cette nouvelle science venait de changer à jamais la marche des enquêtes policières. Retrouvez tous les jours en podcast le décryptage d'un faits divers, d'un crime ou d'une énigme judiciaire par Jean-Alphonse Richard, entouré de spécialistes, et de témoins d'affaires criminelles. Ecoutez L'heure du Crime du 23 février 2024 avec Jean-Alphonse Richard.

Il s'appelle Colin Pitchfork mais je ne suis pas sûr que cet homme nous évoque immédiatement quelque chose. Pourtant, le nom de cet Anglais est depuis plus de trente ans inscrit à jamais dans l'histoire du crime. Pitchfork est le premier meurtrier à avoir été confondu par l'ADN. Le meurtrier zéro comme on parle parfois du patient zéro. C'était en 1987 et cette nouvelle science venait de changer à jamais la marche des enquêtes policières.

tw/cw: Child murder, Child SASomeone was out there killing teenage girls as they made their way home. Known as the foot path killer, investigators thought they had their suspect...but DNA testing would prove that the killer was still on the loose. Join us as we explore the first court case that convicted using DNA evidence! Discord, merch, Tarot readings, star charts, patreon, kofi and much more right here: https://linktr.ee/cruelteaContact Lillian: lillianasterios@icloud.com (for questions, tarot readings, art commissions and more!)Do you own a small business? Would you like for us to feature your business on our podcast? Please contact Lillian for more information!Follow us on Threads! Follow Lil on TikTok: wolvesandwineWant to help? Fellow tea bag needs some funds to get dental surgery! Please donate if you can: https://gofund.me/56262543Producer Will's info: https://cash.app/$williamvee407Venmo: willyveeiscoolOur deets: Venmo: Lillian-Asterios, Cash App: $LillianAsterios, paypal: merrisasterios@gmail.comSupport the show

We have an urgent episode today about a case listeners particularly in the U.K. need to be aware. Serial Child Murderer and rapist Colin Pitchfork — who raped and murdered two 15 year old girls, Lynda Mann in 1983 and Dawn Ashworth in 1986 in Leicestershire - is about to be released from prison into the community unless Ministers take action. In our opinion as experts, we strongly believe that it's not possible for psychopath Colin Pitchfork to be rehabilitated and we explain why in this episode.The Parole Board has shown a shocking lack of understanding of psychopaths (which Pitchfork has been diagnosed) in allowing this 63 year old man his freedom. Would you believe that he was granted parole in 2021 but had to be re-locked up because he had immediately violated the terms? Why is he getting another chance? Laura lays out the glaring red flags and her fears about what cunning strategies Pitchfork may be planning in order to offend again. Jim weighs in on the layers of psychopathy that Pitchfork appears to possess. If you are in the U.K., please take action and write to the Lord Chancellor and Secretary State for Justice Alex Chalk at Alex.Chalk.Mp@parliament.uk and ask him to intervene and challenge the Parole Board's decision for their flawed assessment. You can list the many reasons you have heard on today's show. #LyndaMann #DawnAshworth #SerialKiller #SerialRapist #StopReleasingMurderers #Psychopath #ExpertAnalysis#NewScotlandYard #FBI #CriminalBehaviorAnalysts #ParoleBoard #PublicSafety #ColinPitchfork #ChildMurderer #LordChancellor #AlexChalk #DNAProfiling #WomensSafety #RiskAssessment #MinistryofJusticeYou can listen to Laura's interview on the BBC about this case here.https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001mv0gYou can also watch Laura speak on this case on her Youtube Channel:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCksfRSwfwFqUCjcxKYju6_QFollow us and continue the conversationOn Instagramhttps://www.instagram.com/realcrimeprofile/?hl=enOn Twitterhttps://twitter.com/realcrimeprofilOn Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/realcrimeprofile/>>>>>>>>> SUPPORT OUR OTHER SHOWS

On this morning's show, a discussion of the Tories in crisis after the explosive Partygate report. Ex Cabinet Minister Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg and Lib Dem leader Sir Ed Davey join live. Child killer Colin Pitchfork is set to be released, says the Parole Board. And a tribute to Glenda Jackson. All of that and more on this episode of the Nick Ferrari Whole show podcast.

On Nick Ferrari's Breakfast, we discuss the Home Secretary a 'national emergency' on the small boat crisis, Fox News settles Dominion defamation case for $787.5M, The Northern Ireland Secretary urges unionists to the 'put the union first', London marathon fears as Just Stop Oil warns of more sporting chaos, Suella Braverman claims Labour councils' ‘political correctness' failed to stop grooming gangs, 1980S double teen murderer Colin Pitchfork faces his parole hearing, Sacked CBI boss says his reputation has been ‘totally destroyed' and Greater Manchester Police Chief Stephen Watson takes your calls.

Il s'appelle Colin Pitchfork mais je ne suis pas sûr que cet homme nous évoque immédiatement quelque chose. Pourtant, le nom de cet Anglais est depuis plus de trente ans inscrit à jamais dans l'histoire du crime. Pitchfork est le premier meurtrier à avoir été confondu par l'ADN. Le meurtrier zéro comme on parle parfois du patient zéro. C'était en 1987 et cette nouvelle science venait de changer à jamais la marche des enquêtes policières. Retrouvez tous les jours en podcast le décryptage d'un faits divers, d'un crime ou d'une énigme judiciaire par Jean-Alphonse Richard, entouré de spécialistes, et de témoins d'affaires criminelles. Ecoutez L'heure du Crime du 16 mars 2023 avec Jean-Alphonse Richard.

Il s'appelle Colin Pitchfork mais je ne suis pas sûr que cet homme nous évoque immédiatement quelque chose. Pourtant, le nom de cet Anglais est depuis plus de trente ans inscrit à jamais dans l'histoire du crime. Pitchfork est le premier meurtrier à avoir été confondu par l'ADN. Le meurtrier zéro comme on parle parfois du patient zéro. C'était en 1987 et cette nouvelle science venait de changer à jamais la marche des enquêtes policières. Retrouvez tous les jours en podcast le décryptage d'un faits divers, d'un crime ou d'une énigme judiciaire par Jean-Alphonse Richard, entouré de spécialistes, et de témoins d'affaires criminelles. Ecoutez L'heure du Crime du 16 mars 2023 avec Jean-Alphonse Richard.

On this episode of MWMH, Payton and Garrett discuss the first case to ever use DNA profiling. This was the murder of both Lynda Mann and Dawn Ashworth. Live Show Tickets: https://www.moment.co/murderwithmyhusband Links: https://linktr.ee/murderwithmyhusband Case Sources: Medical Detectives, “The Footpath Murders,” broadcast October 23, 1996 on TLC Wikipedia.org, Colin Pitchfork The Blooding (1989, Random House Publishing Group), by Joseph Wambaugh Sky News: news.sky.com, “Colin Pitchfork: Double child killer arrested and recalled to prison after 'breaching licence conditions',” November 19, 2021 bbc.com, "Colin Pitchfork recalled to jail after approaching young women,” November 22, 2021  Newspaper.com sources: Tony Donnelly, Nottingham Post, "Hunt is on for two killers," 23 November 1983, archived (https://www.newspapers.com/image/760618392); citing print edition, p.1 Leicester Mercury, "Lynda ‘might have screamed'," 1 December 1983, archived (https://www.newspapers.com/image/860734136); citing print edition, p.1 Leicester Mercury, "Lynda: Youth seen running," 2 December 1983, archived (https://www.newspapers.com/image/860734331); citing print edition, p.27 Leicester Mercury, "Fresh plea over Lynda murder," 7 December 1983, archived (https://www.newspapers.com/image/860735339); citing print edition, p.13 Leicester Mercury, "Murder hunt police seek 'crying youth'," 8 December 1983, archived (https://www.newspapers.com/image/860735594); citing print edition, p.21 Leicester Mercury, "Scarf used to kill Lynda, inquest told," 26 January 1984, archived (https://www.newspapers.com/image/860742794); citing print edition, p.19 Leicester Mercury, "Lynda: Police issue picture," 1 February 1984, archived (https://www.newspapers.com/image/860747472); citing print edition, p.1 Leicester Mercury, "Lynda in walk to death on Black Pad," 3 February 1984, archived (https://www.newspapers.com/image/860748945); citing print edition, p.30 Leicester Mercury, "Lynda seen with punk in city," 17 May 1984, archived (https://www.newspapers.com/image/860751836); citing print edition, p.23 Leicester Mercury, "Murder 'started road into debt'," 9 July 1984, archived (https://www.newspapers.com/image/860879334); citing print edition, p.6 Associated Press, The Charlotte Observer, "DNA 'Fingerprinting' Process Nearly Foolproof, Scientists Say," 7 December 1985, archived (https://www.newspapers.com/image/624686909); citing print edition, p.17A Leicester Mercury, "Murder of Lynda: Police issue new appeal for clues," 26 April 1986, archived (https://www.newspapers.com/image/860868746); citing print edition, p.11 Leicester Mercury, "Dawn vanishes after trip: Huge hunt for missing schoolgirl," 1 August 1986, archived (https://www.newspapers.com/image/860906178); citing print edition, pp.1, 15 Leicester Mercury, "Three years on — a killer still at large," 2 August 1986, archived (https://www.newspapers.com/image/860907003); citing print edition, p.9 Leicester Mercury, "Dawn's killer 'has struck before'," 3 August 1986, archived (https://www.newspapers.com/image/846785964); citing print edition, p.1 John Meehan and Alan Kay, Coventry Evening Telegraph, "Tell on Strangler: Don't shield girls double murder, pleads mum," 4 August 1986, archived (https://www.newspapers.com/image/819772229); citing print edition, pp.1-2 Leicester Mercury, "Tiny scratch 'could be a vital clue'—Dawn: Hunt for Double Killer," 4 August 1986, archived (https://www.newspapers.com/image/860908353); citing print edition, pp. 1, 5 Leicester Mercury, "Dawn: Man seen fleeing from scene," 5 August 1986, archived (https://www.newspapers.com/image/860908553); citing print edition, p.1 Leicester Mercury, "Sadistic double killer is jailed for life," 23 January 1988, archived (https://www.newspapers.com/image/861261211); citing print edition, pp.1, 10-11 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey and welcome back!! This week we recorded the full episode trying to be fancy and use a different program and it all went terribly wrong so we recorded it again the day after, however Tash was busy for this second recording so our lovely friend JT from brew crime stepped in and came to hang with us for a bit.Emma wraps up the black monk of pontefract series and is very glad to see the back of Fred for good, he can stay in pontefract thank you very much.Bex follows up with the first ever murder cases to be solved using DNA. And thank goodness it was around to catch the monster that is Colin Pitchfork.We really hope you enjoy this episode is you did please don't hesitate to leave us a rating or review on whichever platform you use and feel free to follow us on social media @SCSK_podcast for twitter, Tik Tok and instagram, Facebook is "spine chillers and serial killers" and you can email us at chillers.killers.pod@gmail.com.If you'd like to listen to more of JT and his lovely co host Mike over at "Brew crime" you can find them anyway you get your podcasts or here https://brewcrime.comMost haunted episodes : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwlpnAORvYchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9uROuzBn0EMusic credit : Tasha's wink : Music from Uppbeat (free for Creators!):https://uppbeat.io/t/kite-flight/near-youLicense code: 4J28DYEVACMHXYMUAnd spooky song credit : Music from Uppbeat (free for Creators!):https://uppbeat.io/t/kevin-macleod/gathering-darknessLicense code: WILMYQXEAHDPOBCUbook sources : Colin Wilson, Poltergeist! a study in destructive haunting : https://www.amazon.com/Poltergeist-study-destructive-haunting-Wilson/dp/B001UDLZ64 Richard Estep and Bill Bungay, The Black Monk of Pontefract: The World's Most Violent and Relentless Poltergeist : https://www.amazon.com/Black-Monk-Pontefract-Relentless-Poltergeist/dp/1074231341 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The birth of DNA fingerprinting will forever be tied to Leicester, England. It was invented in a lab in the city's university by Alec Jeffreys in 1984. And it was in the outskirts of the city that it was first used to catch a murderer – Colin Pitchfork who raped and killed the young girls Lynda Mann and Dawn Ashworth.It has gone on to revolutionise policing.Our guest to tell this story is Turi King who was taught by Alec Jeffreys and is now professor of public engagement at Leicester University and the inhouse geneticist on the BBC TV show ‘Family Secrets'.Since this is the final episode in our mini-series on forensics we thought it would be nice to round things out with a chat with a real forensic scientist. Niamh Nic Daeid is the head of Leverhulme Research Centre for Forensic Science in Dundee. We talk about the realities of being a forensic scientist today and what the future might hold.Produced by Freddy ChickEdited by Thomas NtinasExecutive Producer was Charlotte Long Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In the mid 1980s in England two teenage girls were found raped and strangled.  Their murderer, Colin Pitchfork, was eventually identified by his semen that he left behind through the discovery of Alek Jefferys' DNA identification.Sources for this episode:Wikipedia - Colin PitchforkWikipedia - Newbold VerdonWikipedia - LeicesterThe Guardian - Killer breakthrough - the day DNA evidence first nailed a murdererBBC - Colin Pitchfork: Parole hearing for double child killer and rapistThe Daily Mail - EXCLUSIVE: The disturbing truth behind sex killer Colin Pitchfork's return to jail: Urgent calls for parole reform after predator 'walked up to' teenage women in the streetSupport the show

Professor Turi King speaking with Detective Chief Superintendent David Baker (retired), about tracking down double child-murderer Colin Pitchfork. A case that made history for being the first criminal case, in which someone was proven to be innocent, on the basis of genetic evidence. Also, the first time that genetic evidence was used to convict somebody.

March 23rd: Footpath Murderer Born (1960) Sometimes a simple mistake can lead to something incredible. On March 23rd 1960 a dangerous man was born who, had it not been for a simple mistake by some brilliant scientists, may just have gotten away with the brutal murder of two 15 year old girls.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Pitchfork, https://forensicfiles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Footpath_Murders, https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/07/killer-dna-evidence-genetic-profiling-criminal-investigation, https://www.worldcat.org/title/footpath-murders/oclc/37900076, https://murderpedia.org/male.P/p/pitchfork-colin.htm

The investigation into the murderer Colin Pitchfork is referenced in forensic courses around the world. Why? Because it was the first case where DNA screening was used. From the team responsible for this remarkable break-through, Lynda and Cass welcome Dr Tim Clayton. Tim discusses the cases of Colin Pitchfork, and later that of Colette Aram, and explains how they developed the DNA screening programme, its limitations and how it was refined into the crucial investigative tool it is today.  Dr Timothy Clayton has close to 30 years of criminal casework experience in both the public sector, and after the closure of the FSS, in the private sector. He is an authority in the field of forensic biology and has an extensive research history as you'll hear in this episode. In 2013, his work was recognized in the Queen's New Year Honour's List when he received an MBE for his contribution to forensic science and the administration of Criminal Justice. Tim is currently Senior Forensic Scientist at Eurofins Forensic Services, one of the largest private providers of forensic services in the UK: https://www.eurofins.co.uk/forensic-services/ Lynda's new novel Vanished is out on March 31st 2022 in hardback, ebook and audiobook.  Discover more at: www.lyndalaplante.com/listening-to-the-dead/ Credits  This podcast was made by Bonnier Books UK  Host & Director: Jon Watt  Producer: Laura Makela  Sound Engineer: Chris Attaway  Theme music: Game Over by Magic in the Other  End music: Sweeney by Mike Relm 

This week we have yet another new guest, an update on a previous episode and a brand new, 51-year-old mystery for you! Warning: references to suicide Find us on twitter and instagram, and find everything else you need to know on our website Research on Colin Pitchfork from BBC News and Sky News Research on The Isdal Woman from Death In Ice Valley, The BBC, Mental Floss and Wikipedia

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This week on the podcast we discuss sex abusers reoffending and whether changes should be made to increase safety for the population. This follows the news article that double killer and sex offender Colin Pitchfork, 61, has been recalled to prison after only two months after his release. Pitchfork made headline when he was sentenced to 30 years in prison in 1987 following the rape and strangling of two girls in Leicestershire. Following his release in September 2021, routine checks by probation handlers flagged concerning behaviour and he also failed a polygraph lie detector test. It is stated Pitchford was subject to strict monitoring and licence conditions such as tagging, exclusion zone and a ban on contact with children on his release. Pitchfork had been reportedly approaching young girls when out and was recalled to prison. However, he could once again be released in as little as 28 days. This raises important questions, regarding the success of prison reform, the release board consideration process, and safety to the population on release of unknown sex offenders. Many high profile sex offenders are provided with new identities when they return to the outside world. Statistics for the US found 5% of sex offenders reoffended within three years and 24% after 15 years. A UK study in 2019 found proven reoffending rates were 24.8% for any reconviction and 12.6% for sexual reconvictions after a 13-year average follow-up. Rates increased greatly for offences relating to indecent images of children online. A further study by Centre of Expertise on child sexual abuse found Of sexual reoffending It is widely believed that adults convicted of CSA have an enduring high risk of sexual reoffending, but reoffending studies – although not CSA-specific – show that most individuals convicted of sexual offences are not reconvicted of further sexual offences. In England and Wales, for example, 7.5% of those released from prison between 2002 and 2012 had been convicted of another sexual offence by October 2015 (Mews et al, 2017). It should be noted, however, that most CSA does not come to the attention of the authorities. In that study, the reconviction rate for offences of any sort over the same period was considerably higher at 38% (Mews et al, 2017). However, there is some evidence that, in comparison with those convicted of sexual offences against adults, individuals convicted of CSA offences are more likely subsequently to commit only sexual offences rather than other offences (e.g. Harris et al, 2009; Harris et al, 2011). Long-term international studies suggest that most adult males convicted of sexual offences no longer have a significant risk of sexual reoffending after 10 years (having a similar risk to those with histories of other crimes), and only a small proportion remain at risk after 15 years (Hanson, 2018). This applies for all risk levels; even in the highest risk group, four-fifths of individuals in a 20-year study were never reconvicted for another sexual offence (Hanson et al, 2014). Research evidence also indicates that women convicted of sexual offences reoffend at significantly lower rates than men (Cortoni et al, 2010), with an average sexual reoffending rate of around 3%, which may partly reflect that women are unlikely to be identified and reported. This suggests that distinct policies and procedures are needed to assess and manage the risks from women and from men. The full report can be found here: Key messages from research on institutional child sexual abuse from research on institutional Key messages (csacentre.org.uk) As discussed on many of our previous podcasts, sexual abuse is significantly unreported and therefore these statistics are likely to be higher. In addition, monitoring of those on probation is dependent on the probation services monitoring individuals efficiently. There is no requirement to disclose to neighbours the offender's previous offences. In 2018 the BBC aired Second Chance Sex Offenders presented by Stacey Dooley which looked at the position in Florida, where convicted sex offenders were required to disclose a large sign outside their home to confirm they have been convicted. Other states required sex abusers to live in sperate communities. In the UK the balance must be correct, with the risk of reoffending to protect the population and ensure safety, but if the sentence is spent that individual's human rights to re-enter society, this is always going to be a difficult position. We encourage anyone who has concerns about sexual abuse to get in touch. You can contact Alan Collins at Alan.collins@hughjames.com or Danielle Vincent at  Danielle.vincent@hughjames.com.

Mother:He had problems from a very early age, but no one ever reported or dealt with his issues.  As an adult he never saw anything wrong with his behaviour or actions.  Even after being caught and sentenced to prison, being eventually released after much therapy, he is STILL making people very uncomfortable with his behaviour.   What to do with a problem like Colin?Cameron:Na na na na na na na na FLASHERMAN ....This week we discuss:  Murder, Sexual Assault, Predator, Sex Offender,  Cold Case, DNA, Mass Screenings, Identity Fraud and baking, UK True Crime, Narborough Leicestershire.Contact us:Email: murdermeonmondaypodcast@gmail.comTwitter: https://twitter.com/MMonMondayInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/murdermeonmondaypodcast/Sources:https://sites.google.com/site/audreycahillforensicscience/case-study---colin-pitchorkhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Pitchforkhttps://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/PBRA/2021/96.htmlhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10227973/Colin-Pitchfork-no-conscience-threat.htmlhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10227973/Colin-Pitchfork-no-conscience-threat.htmlhttps://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/uk-colin-pitchfork-child-killer-may-be-released-from-prison.564610/page-4Theme Tune is published under license from:   Tribe of Noise – Awkward Mystery https://prosearch.tribeofnoise.com/artists/show/29267/32277

Mike, Marsh and Alice are joined once again by Emma to talk about the recent decision to recall Colin Pitchfork to prison, and Marsh talks about the recent terrorist attack at the Liverpool Women’s Hospital. Due to the nature of Colin Pitchfork’s offences, this episode makes occasional references to murder and rape which some listeners […]

Have YOU been to Peppa Pig World? Brendan Chilton starts the show, chatting about the PM and his fumbling efforts trying to address the nation. Professor of Criminology James Treadwell continues the narrative of Colin Pitchfork and how he has been recalled to prison. Laura Dodsworth and Mike have their weekly chat, speaking about the increasing amount of lockdowns across Europe. Mike has a rant about the Brit Awards, and finally, Jeevun Sandher, Economist talks to Mike about the Health and Social care reform bill. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Bill Wiggin starts the week off, discussing the recall to prison of child killer Colin Pitchfork. Chris Daw QC continues the Pitchfork narrative, but things get a little heated. Mike has a rant about calling people 'woke.' Peter Hitchens and Mike have their weekly conversation. Finally, Mike speaks to Amelia Jones, live from Wisconsin, reacting to the news of the Christmas Parade. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Jim White, standing in for Andrew Pierce, talks to talks to author and feminist campaigner Julie Bindel, who warns that criminals like Colin Pitchfork can't simply be rehabilitated by going on a course, and speaks to Hugo Tagholm, Chief Executive of Surfers Against Sewage, on the companies spilling raw sewage into our rivers (and how to check if your local river is clean). Plus, as Adele insists we listen to her album in the ‘right' order on Spotify, is it really that important? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

TV and radio presenter Melanie Sykes has just announced that she's been diagnosed with autism at the age of 51. She says it's 'truly life changing, or rather life affirming… and so many things make sense'. She tells us more. Colin Pitchfork, the man who murdered and raped Lynda Mann and Dawn Ashworth but was released from prison recently, has been sent back to jail for breaking his licence conditions. We speak to the former Justice Secretary, Robert Buckland, who always maintained that Pitchfork should remain behind bars. We also hear from Dawn's uncle, Philip Musson. David Salmon comes onto the programme to talk about his wife, who took her life last year after suffering extreme menopausal symptoms. He wants other men to pick up on signs that the women in their lives may be struggling. We have the fourth episode of our series on toxic relationships. And we hear why thousands of midwives took to the streets at the weekend to voice their concerns about safety. Kay King from March With Midwives Alliance and White Ribbon Alliance UK speaks to us.

This week we have Auntie Kelly talking about Colin Pitchfork and the first uses of DNA as evidence. Warning: discussion of sexual assault, rape and murder. If that's not for you, we'll see you next week! Find us on twitter and instagram, and find everything else you need to know on our website Research from the BBC, Leicester Mercury and Wikipedia.

Kailee and Karoline kick off season two of Partners in Crime with an update on some old cases and two new ones. 03:22 Colin Pitchfork 16:45 Summer Wells Edited by: Kailee Harris

In Episode XX - Carla explores a case which holds the tainted honour of being a landmark first in British law. In a previous time, Colin Pitchfork's henious crimes of rape and murder in rural Leicestershire might have gone unsolved and cruelly unpunished... What he hadn't banked upon though were extraordinary breakthroughs in forensics- changing the landscape for him and his criminal kind forever.   Phil recalls the tragic story of the Tiede's, who had planned their perfect Christmas secluded away amongst the Utah mountains.... Little did they know their peace would be disturbed by two runaway burglars, intent on inflicting their cruelty on 3 generations of this family. Truly a holiday nightmares are made of.   #theunspeakableisspoken  

This week H. N. Lloyd and Kristof Britton discuss the case of Colin Pitchfork. The double rapist and murderer who was controversially released from prison this week after being incarcerated for 33 years. This is a seminal case in criminal history as Pitchfork was the first man to be caught thanks to DNA evidence and therefore the case revolutionised forensic science and murder investigation for evermore. It's a fascinating episode that examines how thanks to Pitchfork's duplicity DNA evidence was almost seen as a failed experiment, and a discussion about his very controversial release from prison.

On today's episode of Farage, immigration lawyer Ivon Sampson discusses how migrants are taking their lives into their own hands to make the dangerous journey across the Channel. Nigel also gives his take on the release of double child killer Colin Pitchfork. And as always, Nigel takes your questions in Barrage the Farage. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Piers Morgan comments about Meghan cleared by OFCOM, and double child murderer Colin Pitchfork released from jail.

Toby Young starts the show, discussing the breaking news that Piers Morgan has been cleared by Ofcom of the comments he made about Meghan Markle. Conservative MP Alberto Costa speaks about Colin Pitchfork's release today. Dr Rakib Ehsan joins Mike in the studio to talk about the Taliban. Finally, Clive Driscoll and Mike cover the three part drama about Stephen Lawrence, and the role he played in convicting Stephen's murderers. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Dominic Raab grilled by MPs on Afghanistan and Colin Pitchfork is released from prison

MURDER: This weeks talking topics include the infamous "Black Widows" Olga Rutterschmidt & Helen Golay and their blood soaked path of insurance fraud. After, we discuss the first case in which DNA Fingerprinting was ever used: In pursuit of the man who brutally assaulted and murdered 15 year olds Lynda Mann and Dawn Ashworth. Join the discussion.TW: Rape, Strangulation, Pedophilia 

Three female football fans – hashtag ‘TheThreeHijabis - as they called themselves set up a petition calling for racists to be banned for life from all football matches in England. Shaista Aziz, Amna Abdullatif and Huda Jawad tell us about the petition which now has over a million signatories. As the Royal College of GPs marks 150 years of women in general practice we ask why more than half of GPs in the UK are women. We also discuss why women GP's may still face issues like lower pay compared to men in their field. We hear from the President of the Royal College of GPs, Dr Amanda Howe and GP trainee, Dr Sophie Lumley. After more than a year of working from home during the pandemic, a third of women say they want to ditch their bra forever. Joanna Wakefield-Scurr, is Professor in Biomechanics at the University of Portsmouth she talks about the pros and cons of not wearing a bra. A Government challenge to a Parole Board decision to release Colin Pitchfork has been rejected - paving the way for the double child killer to be freed in the next few weeks. Pitchfork has served 33 years in prison after being jailed for raping and murdering 15-year-olds Lynda Mann and Dawn Ashworth in the 1980s. We hear from Philip Musson the uncle of Dawn Ashworth and from Belinda Winder, a Professor of Forensic Psychology and Research Director of the Centre of Crime, Offending, Prevention and Engagement (COPE) at Nottingham Trent University, and from David Wilson Emeritus Professor of Criminology at Birmingham University. Deborah James is a the host of the BBC's You, Me And The Big C podcast, a campaigner, writer and mother of two. She tells us about her recent experience of liver failure followed by sepsis and how she attended Wimbledon only 12 hours after leaving hospital. And we have music and chat from Bronwen Lewis a Welsh singer songwriter whose style sits between Country, Pop, Folk and Blues. Presenter: Anita Rani Producer: Rabeka Nurmahomed Editor: Siobhann Tighe

Starting the show, Baroness Claire Fox joins Mike to discuss how compulsory vaccinations for care home staff have been backed by MPs. Alberto Costa and Mike speak about Colin Pitchfork's release. Colin Breen talks about how the government plan to end historical prosecutions in Northern Ireland, and how an MP named Soldier F in parliament. Finally, Security Expert Will Geddes and Mike have a chat about how MI5 want you to look for Russian and Chinese spies. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Colin Pitchfork's parol release confirmed, Tech chiefs quizzed over social media racial abuse, and face masks set to remain compulsory on London Underground.

Deborah James is a the host of the BBC's You, Me And The Big C podcast, a campaigner, writer and mother of two. As @bowelbabe she blogs about living with stage 4 bowel cancer since Christmas 2016. After trialling experimental drugs she was told she had ‘no sign of active disease', not once but twice. She joins Emma to discuss her recent experience of liver failure followed by sepsis, how she attended Wimbledon only 12 hours after leaving hospital, her mission to protect cancer care, and why she is rewriting her next book, How to Live When You Could Be Dead. Yesterday the Government's challenge to a Parole Board decision to release Colin Pitchfork was rejected - paving the way for the double child killer to be freed in the next few weeks. Pitchfork has served 33 years in prison after being jailed for raping and murdering 15-year-olds Lynda Mann and Dawn Ashworth in the 1980s. A judge-led independent review rejected a bid by ministers to halt his release. Philip Musson, the uncle of Dawn Ashworth tells Emma how disappointed the family are by the decision. David Wilson Emeritus Professor of criminology at Birmingham City University and former prison governor, is concerned that Pitchfork has “gamed” the rehabilitation system. Belinda Winder, a Professor of Forensic Psychology at Nottingham Trent University, whose primary field is sexual offending explains how carefully parole boards come to their decisions and the importance of reintegration into the community. Have you ever been in love with an object? Yes, that's right. Not a person: a thing, or maybe a building? There's a new French film out called Jumbo, and it's about a young woman who falls in love with a fairground attraction. Zoe Wittock is the director. A number of high profile gruesome cases of women dying after their partners claimed “rough sex gone wrong” as a defence led to a change in the law earlier this year. The Domestic Abuse Act states that even if consensual, the infliction of serious harm, or worse will lead to prosecution. The veteran labour MP Harriet Harman was instrumental in getting the law changed but she says it's not always working in practice and she joins Emma Barnett to explain why she's calling for the Director of Prosecutions Max Hill to review two cases of particular concern.

Andrew Pierce talks to Andrew Mitchell on why foreign aid cuts will diminish Britain and damage the Conservative party, and speaks to lawyer Chris Daw on why he believes paedophile double killer Colin Pitchfork should be freed on parole. Plus, the darkweb marketplace where British people's bank details are on sale for just £12. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Release of Colin Pitchfork, Cross Question and should we cut or foreign aid budget?

Mike, Marsh, and Alice are joined by returning guest Emma to talk about the furore surrounding the Parole Board’s recommendation to release Colin Pitchfork. Meanwhile, Mike looks at a research paper into the morality of autistic people. Mixed and edited by Morgan Clarke. Note: Emma’s segment in this episode includes references to indecent exposure, murder, […]

Alberto Costa starts the week speaking about the leaked video of Matt Hancock kissing Gina Colangelo; he also discusses the Parole Board's decision to release Colin Pitchfork. Paul Charles and Mike speak about quarantine and vaccines. Peter Hitchens and Mike have their weekly chat, and Chair of Migration Watch UK, Alp Mehmet, talks about Priti Patel's plans to house migrants offshore while waiting for their applications to come through. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

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Listen as Steve and Hannah discuss England in the 1980's when DNA was first used to convict a killer and exonerate the innocent…where would murder investigations be without this case. Colin Pitchfork raped and strangled two teenage girls between 1983 and 1986. Early scientific DNA profiling connected Pitchfork's DNA to the girls and he was sentenced to life in prison. Thanks for listening this week! Stay subscribed to True Crime Archives. Please rate us on Apple Podcast, we would love to hear your feedback. Follow us on Instagram @truecrimearchivespodcast and Twitter @TCArchivesPod for regular updates, sneak peaks, and our story! Forensic Cases: Colin Pitchfork, First Exoneration Through DNA – Explore Forensics Colin Pitchfork - Wikipedia Colin Pitchfork: Double schoolgirl murderer can be released - BBC News Proof that this monster must NEVER be released: Child murderer Colin Pitchfork gets freedom | Daily Mail Online Colin Pitchfork – The Forensics Library (aboutforensics.co.uk) Who killed Lynda Mann and Dawn Ashworth? – The Sun Lynda Mann | Forensic Files Wiki | Fandom Colin Pitchfork: How violent maniac who raped and killed two schoolgirls was first murderer to be snared by DNA (thesun.co.uk) Colin Pitchfork: Man who raped and killed two schoolgirls in 1980s suitable for release, Parole Board says | The Independent Sister of Colin Pitchfork victim Lynda Mann fears double-child killer will strike again | Daily Mail Online Dawn Ashworth and Lynda Mann murders: how DNA evidence convicted killer Colin Pitchfork over deaths (inews.co.uk) Killer breakthrough – the day DNA evidence first nailed a murderer | Crime | The Guardian No parole for Colin Pitchfork: First killer caught by DNA - BBC News --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

We have it all this week! Singing, gin reviews, EVPs, impersonations and of course the story of murderer Colin Pitchfork who was caught thanks to not 1, not 2 but 4 firsts in forensic science.

Welcome back to a full furnace in full effect this week. Peter takes a turn in the hot seat, he gave his opinion on whether or not Christians should be using mediums to contact the dead as Saul did, and how he would respond to someone who having left the faith decided their new religion is love. Speaking of new beginnings we talk about the recent news of Colin Pitchfork being released from prison after 40 years having served his time for the murder and rape of two underage girls. We talk about the failings of the justice system and how we would feel if he was being released into any of our neighbourhoods. For our Hook ups. Mo suggested checking out a lo-fi hip hop instrumentalist called Tenno have a listen here https://open.spotify.com/artist/3yu4VilcxpQ6h35vRcemBp, Peter suggested checking out a live stream that he was part of regarding bearing fruit in keeping with repentance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWOsPkb3Rho&t=863s, and Robert suggested a restaurant called Bodeans for some nice meaty meals https://bodeansbbq.com/ We hope you enjoy the episode and if you do please let us know in the comments and let your friends know by sharing, and if you don't, please let us know in the comments and let your friends know by sharing. We're big believers in the "win-win"Take care and stay blessed. Special thanks to RUDE (@itsrudeboy) for the intro and outro music. And to Calvin A Turner founder of Torra Media (facebook , @torramedia) and digital designer extraordinaire for TheOrdinaryAmazing.com logo design.

Molly and Geoffrey discuss a case that has been in the British headlines this week: the pending release on licence of murderer and rapist Colin Pitchfork. Join our community on Patreon, where you can access bonus content, listen to our podcasts ad-free, and more! https://www.patreon.com/bloodtiespodcast CREDITS - Producer: Sam Brain Artwork: George Leigh Music: Dan Wansell CONTACT: Twitter: @BloodTies_Pod Instagram: bloodties_pod Email: bloodties.podcast@gmail.com.

Colin Pitchfork, you may have heard his name recently? On 7th June, it was announced that he will be released from prison after spending 33 years inside. This one isn't for the faint hearted as it includes rape of minors and murder. With many DNA 'firsts', this case covers it all.

Mike starts the show talking to Conservative MP for Mid-Derbyshire Pauline Latham over the potential delay for freedom day June 21st. Mr Loophole also known as Nick Freeman, Criminal Defence Lawyer, author and commentator, chats with Mike over the rise of e-scooters. Dr Rakib Ehsan discusses with Mike England football fans booing after footballers took a knee and the release of Colin Pitchfork. Finally Alberto Costa, Conservative MP and Parliamentary Private Secretary to the Attorney General, further discusses the double schoolgirl murderer Colin Pitchfork with Mike on the show. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Colin Pitchfork could be released from jail, concerns grow over June 21st lockdown lifting and we get your thoughts on cricketer Ollie Robinson's suspension. Vaccines Minister Nadhim Zahawi also joins Nick Ferrari for an exclusive interview to mark 6-months since the first jab.

Andrew Pierce talks to criminal law expert Chris Daw QC, author of ‘Justice on Trial' about why a life sentence shouldn't always mean life in jail, and speaks to Brendan O'Neill of Spiked on cricketers being ‘cancelled' for social media posts they did as teenagers. Plus, with E-Scooters whizzing through streets legally for the first time, are the machines here to stay? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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1983 ve 1986'da İngiltere'nin ufak bir kasabasında iki genç kız, Lynda Mann ve Dawn Ashworth, acımasız bir cinayete kurban gitti. Peki soruşturmayı yürüten dedektif, katili yakalamak için nasıl bir yol izlemişti? DNA parmak izi çalışmalarını yürüten biliminsanı Alec Jeffreys, adli tıp tarihinde çığır açacak bir gelişmeyle birlikte davanın kaderini nasıl değiştirmişti? Özlem Özdemir, Fulya Turhan ve Yoldaş Özdemir, Colin Pitchfork vakasının derinliklerine iniyor ve adli tıp alanındaki en önemli gelişmelerden biri olan DNA parmak izi ve DNA'ya dair temel bilgileri de detaylarıyla aktarıyor.

Leicester - England. Listen to the hometown Murders cases of Colin Pitchfork the first killer caught with DNA fingerprint evidence, the Hot Dog Wars murder and the Green Bicycle case. 

The case seemed open and shut -- someone was lying. Or was it that simple?It doesn't seem like a long time ago, but it's been more than 30 years since Saba's death, and in that time, technology has advanced at a rate far faster than most developments.So we have to ask ourselves -- could this case, as it was, have been solved with the tools of the trade at the time?This is the second episode of our special edition podcast series, Silicon Valley Beat: Major Crimes._______________________________________________________________________________________________________________[[Disclaimer: The Silicon Valley Beat, Major Crimes, is a podcast that deep-dives into major cases investigated by the Mountain View Police Department. Because this podcast covers investigations including critical incidents and homicides, what we discuss here may contain material that is not suitable for all listeners. Names and other sensitive information may be changed to protect the identity of the innocent.]]Saul Jaeger: On last week's episode -- a young woman, newly transplanted to the Bay Area, found dead in a dumpster. A 20-something immigrant, in the prime of her life, taken too soon. Her death puzzles investigators -- who killed Saba Girmai? The one lead detectives had -- a lie detector test that indicated Saba's apparent boyfriend wasn't being so truthful about his relationship with her. But was that enough to pursue him as a potential suspect in her murder?This is The Silicon Valley Beat: Major Crimes. [[Opening bumper]]Episode 2: Then and Now Katie Nelson: It would have appeared that police had a major lead. ‘Deception indicated' reeks of foul play, or at the very least, that something was wrong. Or, does it? The investigation into finding Saba's killer seemingly comes to a stop in April, 1985. There are no notes beyond that the polygraph exam showed something was perhaps amiss between Saba and her alleged boyfriend. There was no glaring error, no hesitation in his responses, no obvious sign of a tell that he was lying. In short, it simply wasn't enough. In California, for lie detector test results to be admissible in court as evidence, both the prosecution and the defense have to agree on their use. Saul Jaeger: John Larson, a medical student working for the Berkeley Police Department, invented the first polygraph in 1921. This first polygraph simultaneously traced a subject's blood pressure and respiration. Under Larson's assumptions, irregularities in blood pressure and breathing patterns would indicate lies. Katie Nelson: But that's for the modern technology, when in fact for centuries, humans have looked for reliable means to detect lies. In ancient Hindu and Chinese civilizations for example, authorities would look for lies by asking a suspect to chew a grain of rice and then try and spit it out. In China, a dry grain of rice would be indicative that the person was lying. In India, rice was believed to stick to the mouth of those who were guilty. So, by April 1985, the investigation had stalled mainly because the evidence trail went cold. And truthfully, that is something that many departments grapple with on a daily basis. In some cases, this reality haunts us. Because who knows what could have been, what steps could have been the turning point if we had just had one more piece of evidence, or one more lead? But talk to anyone who later worked on this case and you will hear a unanimous agreement that in Saba's case, at the time detectives did everything they could to try and pinpoint her murderer. But with no DNA evidence, no cameras, no witnesses, it certainly made the investigation that much more difficult. Saul Jaeger: What is fascinating here is just how much work the detectives actually did at the time that ended up being game-changers when advances in investigative techniques – chiefly, DNA – became available over 25 years later. DNA was brand new to investigative work back in the 1980s. Remember how we mentioned that fingernail clippings were taken during the autopsy on Saba? That the medical examiner automatically knew to do that at the time was extraordinary. Why? Because it wasn't until later that DNA was first used to solve a major crime. In 1986, a revolutionary -- and new -- DNA testing process helped police solve two cases in which two teenagers were raped and murdered in and near the village of Narborough in England. Katie Nelson: Here is a clip from a 2017 documentary that highlights the use of DNA evidence in its early iterations to capture and convict murderer and rapist Colin Pitchfork back in the late 1980s. [[Clip from documentary]] Saul Jaeger: In that investigation, DNA blood samples were obtained voluntarily from roughly 5,000 men working or living near where the crimes occurred. The testing ultimately led to the conviction of a local bakery employee in January 1988. This begs the question – what did detectives have at their disposal in 1985 to help further the investigation of this case, and what would this investigation look like if it were to take place today?Katie Nelson: We sat down with Lt. Mike Canfield, who most recently headed our Investigative Services Division, which is where all major crimes – including cold cases – are investigated. Mike also played a role in investigating Saba's case in 2012 and 2013. On this episode you'll hear from Mike how the bones of investigative work haven't changed much, but what has been phenomenal is how tools have helped elevate the idea of what is “good old fashioned police work.” Here's Lt. Canfield.Mike Canfield: The main tenets of investigations in law enforcement have not changed, we've just added new tools. But in regards to how detectives would talk to people then, I think now we would use technology to narrow down that field and start looking at ‘Ok, based on this person's cell phone patterns or their social media patterns, we've narrowed down their main, most important connections to six people.' And so instead of doing canvassing, where you're talking to everybody at a bar or everybody who might possibly know this person, we're able to use better analysis and narrow down the number of people we have to talk to. Katie Nelson: Keith Wright, a former detective in England, agrees. In an article he wrote for Police One, in July 2019, Wright talks about how just roughly 30 years ago, CCTV was still a new thing, and only a handful of private companies had it. Today, it's one of the first things we consider in an investigation, he said, but in the 1980s, it was probably one of the last. Saul Jaeger: Keith Wright continues -- in the 1980s, in the absence of DNA, CCTV, location devices, social media, cellphones, and high-tech covert equipment, investigation in those days relied heavily on interviewing, particularly in investigative divisions. “The art of the interview was king. If you could find what buttons to press, catch them in a lie and sell them your product -- prison -- you might just prove the case. Nothing to it.”“When you look at the changes in technology in society during and since the 1980s, this incredible change has made a huge impact on our lives, both as people and as law enforcement officers.”And he's right. What will the next 30 years bring?And this brings us back to today. Katie Nelson: So, that's how our investigative work today has been helped in terms of how traditional police work has been elevated by new technologies. But what is the one thing that has changed the way in which we have improved investigations now?It's a cell phone.Mike Canfield: Virtually every victim of a violent crime then, if they were in our current time, would have a cell phone. And that would create a volume of information to pour through and look through so their connections in cell phone, their location based on the cell phone, their last actions before the homicide, maybe even where the cell phone went after the homicide -- we've certainly seen those. I think the biggest change is everyone, well virtually everyone, has a computer on them virtually all the time. And that opens up so much more information and a whole other field of investigation for these cases. Saul Jaeger: This then took us to the science of crime scene investigation in 1985; how it was completed, how it differs -- or not -- from today, and what they were looking for at that time. Mike Canfield: You know, one of the main tools would be crime scene analysis, predominantly probably looking much more for fingerprints than for DNA obviously at the time. But they would also be looking for trace evidence, perhaps fibers that were transferred from a vehicle onto a person that they could later match. So, there was definitely an emphasis and a skill placed on crime scene analysis and photography of the scene, for sure. And then, in fact I bet, a lot of detectives were probably more skilled in this in the past and ... with so much more riding on interviews and information from people versus machines and computers, you have to be able to speak to people very well and figure out who has information for your case and while I don't think it's a lost art -- we do have some people who do a fantastic job -- it was practiced more then and probably in some ways they were better at it than we are a profession now. Saul Jaeger: Another major difference is the prevalence of video cameras in our society. This wasn't the case in 1985, but today, cameras are everywhere. Mike Canfield: Video surveillance today is dramatically better obviously now than it ever was before. And, it's not just video surveillance at a store, but they're everywhere. Front doors have cameras, people's personal homes have cameras, bridge tolls have cameras. There are opportunities, and it's not always recorded, but there are opportunities to gather visual data, video data, everywhere. It's kind of like the old method -- they may have had to go interview dozens of people to get information when they really only needed to find the two. Now, we have to pour through tons of video data to find something that may or may not be relevant. So, we are out there scouring. And, I'm looking forward to technology that improves that.Saul Jaeger: CODIS is an acronym for the Combined DNA Index System. It is a national database created in 1989 by the FBI. But that was just when it was created. It wasn't until 1990 that the FBI actually began testing the system with a pilot program involving 14 state and local labs. But even then, the system wasn't launched nationwide. It would require an act of Congress in 1994 to authorize the FBI to officially create a national DNA database of convicted offenders. It also allowed the FBI to create separate databases for missing persons and any forensic samples collected from crime scenes. So, nearly a decade later, the information needed to even remotely begin to narrow down who might have killed Saba was launched. Katie Nelson: But that would have only gotten investigators potential leads in California. It wasn't until 1998 that the National DNA Index System was launched, which allowed investigators from different states to compare DNA information with one another – meaning if Saba's killer was from somewhere other than California, the earliest the DNA could be tested and checked against other databases was nearly 15 years after she was killed. To add to that, quality assurance documents from the FBI were first issued 1998, four years after the program began testing, meaning that at least initially, the science and accuracy may not have been up to the standards we know today. It also means that over time, the system had to grow.Saul Jaeger: Now, back to Sgt. Don McKay, to talk about DNA and its use in investigations around that time. Don McKay: We figured that we could use DNA in rape cases for you know pubic hairs and stuff like that, but that was what a rape kit was for. We didn't have any really way to, if we had a suspect, tie him to the scene. We didn't have any database. We couldn't just plug something in and find out who the suspect was. That was nonexistent at that time. DNA was obviously in its infant stages, basically, in 85. Saul Jaeger: In a 2008 interview with the CBS news show, Eye to Eye, correspondents spoke with the FBI's Bob Orr, about the bureau's national DNA database. In this interview, he speaks about the importance of the collection of DNA, and why it is significant in investigations then and now. [[Eye to Eye interview plays]]Saul Jaeger: And once again, Lt. Mike Canfield.Mike Canfield: If there was, if things had maybe at the time had given more information as to who the suspect was, that vehicle I imagine would have been a very pivotal part of this investigation. And I would suspect that there was probably fiber evidence on our victim from that car, and probably even, I would bet, some DNA of her's inside the vehicle as well. We believe she was assaulted inside of the vehicle. I would expect to see it in an atypical manner, you know in different locations than you would find in a normal car. Katie Nelson: Lt. Canfield mentioned a car. That means that Saba could have potentially been in more than one place between the time that she was assaulted and killed. How would officers in different jurisdictions communicate back in the 1980s? Mike Canfield: I imagine that detectives then were like the detectives now and they knew their peers and communicated regularly perhaps even moreso, because it was more difficult to share information.Katie Nelson: In 1985, to share information, more often than not, detectives from surrounding jurisdictions would need to meet in person in order to share vital information regarding cases that they were investigating. Or, it was possible that they would share information by sending it through the mail, or by having carriers bring it from one department to another. But, this certainly added time to investigative loads, delaying expediency and possibly solving crimes. Today, however, things like emails, bulletins, and video conferencing and cell phone calls exponentially speed up the process. But, even in the midst of all this technology, tried and true practices like solid communication and information sharing is still vital to the success of any investigation. Mike Canfield: But now, our ability to share information has never been matched in history. It's so easy to push out information, and request information, and share information, with our neighbors, with our neighboring law enforcement, and global law enforcement, that if somebody has information and they see that request, it's a phenomenally great tool. And, it's very easy for them to then share that information that they have with us. So not only can we ask, but we don't have to worry about how we get a VHS tape from Florida to us. They can email it, they can Dropbox it, they can do a number of things for us to get this information while we log into their same portal they use to record it.Saul Jaeger: Knowing all of this, comparing and contrasting investigative work in 1985 to that of the 21stcentury, was it possible that this case had a real shot at being solved? Before the 90s? Most likely? No. There were too many variables that had no hard foundation. By the time the investigation stalled four months after Saba was found, investigators had learned definitively she wasn't from Mountain View, that she didn't live in Mountain View at any point, and that she more than likely spent little, if any, time in the city. Also, we didn't nearly have the reach and resources available that we do today, even in today's high-tech investigative world, cases still take time, can be hard to track, and suspects can still evade capture. Katie Nelson: Speculative, for sure, but highly probable that we're right about just how difficult this case was on investigators, given what they had to work with in the 1980s. But one thing we do know for certain – in 2008, a fortuitous decision to re-test DNA would change the course of this case forever. [[End episode]]Thank you for listening to this episode of The Silicon Valley Beat: Major Crimes. 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