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What are you doing to strengthen your communities or your organizations? Kevin sits down with Lee Benson to discuss the concept of value creation and how leaders can identify their most important number to drive results. Benson introduces the MIND methodology, which stands for Most Important Number and Drivers which helps organizations focus on key metrics that drive significant value. Benson discusses the importance of holistic value creation, encompassing material, emotional, and spiritual aspects, and emphasizes the need for leaders to continuously learn and adapt. He also discusses the role of strategic initiatives and the importance of a culture of accountability in achieving value creation. Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction to the episode and the topic of value creation 02:02 - Lee Benson's background and journey in value creation 04:10 - Definition and importance of holistic value creation 05:43 - Explanation of the MIND methodology 08:15 - Identifying the most important number for an organization 10:51 - Designing the most important number for different departments 13:15 - Examples of drivers for most important numbers 17:12 - Role of strategic initiatives in value creation 19:18 - Creating organizational values based on employee behaviors 24:00 - Lee's personal interests and hobbies 26:10 - Recommended reading: "Free Your Mind" by Laura Dodsworth 27:16 - How to learn more about Lee Benson's work 28:54 - Kevin's closing thoughts and call to action Resources Mentioned: Lee Benson's Book: Your Most Important Number: Increase Collaboration, Achieve Your Strategy, and Execute to Win Free Your Mind: Free Your Mind: The must-read expert guide on how to identify techniques to influence you and how to resist them by Laura Dodsworth, Patrick Fagan Execute to Win Website: ETW Lee Benson on LinkedIn: Lee Benson LinkedIn Execute to Win on LinkedIn: Execute to Win LinkedIn Execute to Win on Facebook: ETW Facebook Learn more at Remarkable Masterclass Related Episodes: Execution Excellence with Stephen Lynch The 4 Disciplines of Execution with Jim Huling How to Achieve Breakthrough Execution and Accelerate Growth with Patrick Thean Join Our Community If you want to view our live podcast episodes, hear about new releases, or chat with others who enjoy this podcast join one of our communities below. Join the Facebook Group Join the LinkedIn Group Leave a Review If you liked this conversation, we'd be thrilled if you'd let others know by leaving a review on Apple Podcasts. Here's a quick guide for posting a review. Review on Apple: https://remarkablepodcast.com/itunes    Podcast Better! Sign up with Libsyn and get up to 2 months free! Use promo code: RLP

Laura Dodsworth, journalist and author of the book Free Your Mind: The New World of Manipulation and How To Resist It was a Sunday Times best seller. The conversation explores the use of fear and psychological techniques to manipulate and control behavior. The discussion also touches on the role of the Nudge Unit and the use of propaganda and advertising to instill fear and shape public behavior. Overall, the conversation highlights the need for critical thinking and awareness to resist manipulation and protect individual freedom. Laura Dodsworth emphasizes the need for self-individuation, knowing what one stands for, and finding meaning in life. LAURA DODSWORTHSubstack | The Free MindLaura Dodsworth (@BareReality) / XBare Reality (@barereality) • Instagram photos and videosLaura Dodsworth - YouTubeFree Your Mind: The must-read expert guide on how to identify techniques to influence you and how to resist themNote: This podcast episode is designed solely for informational and educational purposes, without endorsing or promoting any specific medical treatments. We strongly advise consulting with a qualified healthcare professional before making any medical decisions or taking any actions.*If you are in crisis or believe you have an emergency, please contact your doctor or dial 911. If you are contemplating suicide, call 1-800-273-TALK to speak with a trained and skilled counselor.RADICALLY GENUINE PODCASTDr. Roger McFillin / Radically Genuine WebsiteYouTube @RadicallyGenuineDr. Roger McFillin (@DrMcFillin) / XSubstack | Radically Genuine | Dr. Roger McFillinInstagram @radicallygenuineContact Radically GenuinePLEASE SUPPORT OUR PARTNERS15% Off Pure Spectrum CBD (Code: RadicallyGenuine)—-----------FREE DOWNLOAD! DISTRESS TOLERANCE SKILLS—----------ADDITIONAL RESOURCES13:00 - “Nudge Unit” | Institute for Government25:00 - Illusory truth effect - The Decision Lab32:00 - Are Scare Tactics Off the Table for Public Health Campaigns Targeting HIV?33:00 - The Two Faces of Fear: A History of Hard-Hitting Public Health Campaigns Against Tobacco and AIDS - PMC35:00 - Tyranny, One Tiny Step at a Time | Jordan Peterson on JRE41:00 - What is the difference between absolute risk and relative risk and why on Earth should I care?49:00 - Authority bias: when we irrationally trust the judgement of experts55:30 - MK Ultra and Culture1:08:00 - Just What Is Mass Formation Psychosis? | MedPage Today1:17:00 - New normal - Wikipedia

Sponsor special: Up to $2,500 of FREE silver AND a FREE safe on qualifying orders - Call 855-862-3377 or text “AMERICAN” to 6-5-5-3-2“Now you have nudge units embedded in governments or advising governments all around the world. And what they're really trying to do is change the will of the people from the top down. Now, there's no democratic mandate for this. So, governments are sneakily using pre-conscious subliminal and covert techniques to change the way we behave, to make us model citizens. And maybe it's supposedly in our best interests, but we haven't been consulted upon it.”In this episode, I sit down with Laura Dodsworth, one of the first journalists to expose COVID-era government manipulation and how “nudge units” used fear to change behavior.“I feel it and I think I know a lot of people do—this feeling of something quite dark brewing, socially and politically. There's a feeling of a net tightening and of truth being squashed, of more surveillance, more censorship, institutions captured by woke ideology,” says Ms. Dodsworth.We discuss the new book she co-authored: “Free Your Mind: The New World of Manipulation and How to Resist It.”“Your mind is wonderous. You do deserve to be sovereign of it. And you can be in charge of your own decision-making capability. You're not on a sliding scale with a piece of machinery at all,” says Ms. Dodsworth.What is the real threat of AI? Of social media? Of pornography? Of net-zero?“One study in 2007 estimated that the human brain receives the equivalent of 174 newspapers worth of information every day. So, that's the first thing. You're overwhelmed with information. And the human brain simply can't cope with it all. So, what you do is you depend upon shortcuts—cognitive biases to make sense of the world,” says Ms. Dodsworth.Views expressed in this video are opinions of the host and the guest, and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Epoch Times.

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In episode 226 of The Just Checking In Podcast we checked in with Laura Dodsworth. Laura is a author, journalist and photographer. We came across Laura through her latest book, 'Free Your Mind: The New World of Manipulation and How to Resist it', which she co-authored with Patrick Fagan. She is also the author of several other books including ‘A State of Fear: how the UK government weaponised fear during the Covid-19 pandemic', ‘Bare Reality: 100 women, their breasts, their stories', ‘Manhood: The Bare Reality' and ‘Womanhood: The Bare Reality'. In this episode we discuss Free Your Mind through a mental health lens, Laura's wider journey in broadcasting, media commentary and photography, as well as a very ahead of its time Channel 4 documentary called 100 Vaginas! For Laura's mental health we discuss how the concept of trauma has informed all of her work as a professional, her father's struggle with addiction and what affect her parents divorce had on her. We finish by discussing the mental health impact of the menopause on Laura and the taboo about it in the wider mental health conversation. As always, #itsokaytovent You can purchase a copy of Free Your Mind here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Free-Your-Mind-Manipulation-Resist/dp/B0BVGL98X9/ref=sr_1_1?crid=GMC0LJV1EO0L&keywords=laura+dodsworth+book+free+your+mind&qid=1706960651&sprefix=laura+Dodsw%2Caps%2C307&sr=8-1 You can follow Laura on social media below: Twitter: https://twitter.com/BareReality Support Us: Patreon: www.patreon.com/venthelpuk GoFundMe: www.gofundme.com/f/help-vent-supp…ir-mental-health Merchandise: www.redbubble.com/people/VentUK/shop Music: @patawawa - Strange: www.youtube.com/watch?v=d70wfeJSEvk

On today's show, Jeffrey Peel discusses the latest Bob Moran cartoon that British author Laura Dodsworth reported to the police as anti-Semitic. Later, John talks about how he obtained 500,000 unredacted death certificates from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and how they revealed a significant number of deaths from COVID injections. John also talks about how he revealed fraud related to death certificates where COVID had been entered as the cause of death when it had no causal relation to death. GUEST 1 OVERVIEW: Jeffrey Peel is a tech marketer and also the writer/editor of The New Era, which covers articles on free-thinking and democracy. GUEST 2 OVERVIEW: John Beaudoin has an MBA and a degree in Engineering and had a 30-year career in the research and development of semiconductor devices and semiconductor manufacturing processes.

The Independent Republic of Mike Graham returns to provide a daily dose of common sense as Mike is joined by author Peter Hitchens, journalist Laura Dodsworth, broadcaster Adrian Mills and many more! So tune in! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Fascinating conversation with Laura Dodsworth about her new book 'Free Your Mind'. Laura talks about: -Why some resisted the Covid propaganda, while others bought it all -How sales techniques were used to get people to take the vaccine -The dangers of 'midwits' -How some go too far and end up seeing everything as a conspiracy  -The 'woke vs Israel' battle  -How porn is turning people trans(!) -Why our denial of death makes us vulnerable to manipulation   -How to win the culture war  And lots more! Follow Laura on Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/BareReality Buy her book: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Free-Your-Mind-manipulation-resist/dp/0008600945 Follow her Substack: https://www.thefreemind.co.uk/ Nick's Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/nickdixoncomic Nick's Substack: nickdixon.substack.com Nick's YouTube (with all Current Thing episodes): https://www.youtube.com/@nick_dixon Keep the podcast going by buying Nick a coffee! https://www.buymeacoffee.com/nickdixon Produced by Jason Clift.

The Independent Republic of Mike Graham returns to provide a daily dose of common sense as Mike is joined by Laura Dodsworth, Peter Hitchens, Peter Bleksley and Richard Pater live from Jerusalem. Tune in! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Laura Dodsworth investigated how tech giants manipulate users for her co-written book, titled Free Your Mind, which even involved a stay at a nun's convent to escape the endless pings. Ancient alien radio bursts clue to ‘weight of universe'. Regrowing Maui's scorched trees after deadly wildfires.Also in this episode:Nighy & Fiennes in National Theatre Live plays streaming to UK cinemasThumbs ready for London's Counter-Strike 2 game finalUS Marines ‘MacGyver' rocket launcher on robodog Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Public schools are seen as a collective training ground for leftist teachers to groom young activists. Percy Sinclair makes a solid case that school choice alone isn't enough to save us. We must stop the flow of Marxists into the classroom. Despite the best efforts of social and mainstream media to convince us that humanity has devolved into savages, there is goodness out there. Here's a great illustration of how not all angels have wings. The danger posed by Central Bank Digital Currencies cannot be overstated. Laura Dodsworth explains how CBDCs could be the ultimate tool of oppression. When something horrific happens, we have a tendency to believe that such things are more common than they actually are. Lenore Skenazy has some great advice for keeping horrible crimes in perspective. Article of the Day: We're all feeling the pain of inflation every time we buy something. Brandon Smith breaks down the societal effects of inflation and how we can know for sure that our monetary system is in trouble. Sponsors: Monticello College Life Saving Food  TMCP Nation Climbing Upward Quilt & Sew

In this episode of SDPtalk, William Clouston is joined by photographer, artist and author Laura Dodsworth. We are constantly bombarded with attempts to influence our behaviour, our speech and even our thoughts. Some are overt and transparent, such as advertisements which seek to persuade you to buy their product instead of a competitor's. Others are more insidious, such as the ‘nudge' tactics and fear propaganda deployed by the Behavioural Insights Team during the Covid pandemic. In their bestselling book Free Your Mind, Laura and her co-author Patrick Fagan discuss how to spot and resist the increasing manipulation present in our everyday lives.  Why are some attempts at political or social manipulation more successful than others? Can such tactics ever be justified? And what are the implications for freedom of thought and for democracy? Laura is also a guest speaker at the SDP Conference in October 2023. Learn more about the SDP at: https://sdp.org.uk/ The opening and closing music for SDP Talks is "Prelude in C (BWV 846)" by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com). Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

"Modern technology encourages artful choreography over truth”. What are some instances where the digital marketing world exploits data and predictive models to influence behaviours and beliefs? What ethical concerns arise from the convergence of AI, machine learning, and personal data, specifically regarding privacy, control, and abuse for both consumers and humans in general? How do products and brands manipulate emotions to influence us, given your perspective coming from the 'dark side,' and shed light on the tactics used to emotionally manipulate and nudge consumers? How does the illusion of choice impact decision-making, and how do businesses and marketers across various sectors use this manipulation to guide outcomes in their favour? What is the concept of "trigger stacking," and how does it magnify the impact of emotions? How can comedy and humour effectively dismantle manipulated narratives and combat misinformation? Patrick Fagan answers the above questions and gives us a peek into his new book 'Free Your Mind' . Patrick Fagan is Co-founder and Chief Science Officer, Capuchin Behavioural Science. He is a consultant, lecturer, author, public speaker. Patrick was Lead Psychologist at Cambridge Analytica for until the company went into administration. In this podcast Patrick Fagan talks about his book 'Free Your Mind,' co-authored with Laura Dodsworth. The book reveals the hidden tactics used by manipulators, from advertisers to politicians, and arm you with expert insights to defend your mental freedom. Patrick's book on Amazon : https://www.amazon.in/Free-Your-Mind-manipulation-resist-ebook/dp/B0BHYFC5PV Patrick's Linkedin -https://www.linkedin.com/in/pfagan87/ Patrick's Website -https://www.patrickfagan.co.uk/ Jagged with Jasravee is facilitated by Jasravee Kaur Chandra. She is Senior Vice President of Strategic Planning at Havas Creative. Jasravee has over 20 years experience as a Strategic Brand Builder, Communications Leader and Entrepreneur. Please visit Jasravee at https://jasravee.com/ Connect with Jasravee on Linkedin at https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasravee/ Email Jasravee at jasravee@gmail.com Index 00:00 Preview & Introduction to Patrick Fagan 02:30 Free Your Mind : Book's Fundamental Idea 04:37 Nudge-ification of Society & Marketing 05:12 Book for Consumers as well as Marketers 06:58 Artful Choreography Over Truth 09:45 Building Immunity to Manipulation 19:13 Trigger Stacking, Fear as a Manipulation Tool 28:30 Role of Humour in Countering Manipulation 31:27 Demanding Transparency from Institutions 32:54 Filtering & Using Text Based Sources for Critical Thinking 35:58 Distinguishing Between Influence and Manipulation 40:00 Power Of Incrementalism & Metaverse Follow Jagged with Jasravee on Social Media Campsite One Link : https://campsite.bio/jaggedwithjasravee Facebook Page : https://www.facebook.com/jaggedwithjasravee Instagram : https://www.instagram.com/jagggedwith Podcast Page : https://anchor.fm/jagged-with-jasravee Youtube Page : https://www.youtube.com/c/jaggedwithjasravee Website : https://jasravee.com/ #MindControl #BehavioralScience #MarketingTactics #ConsumerAwareness #MediaManipulation #SocialInfluence #MediaLiteracy #Psychology #BehavioralPsychology #EthicalMarketing #DataPrivacyMatters #PsychologicalPersuasion #BrandEthic #freeyourmind #peterfagan

Virgin Radio Presenter Chris Evans kicks off today's show by discussing the recent news he has been diagnosed with skin cancer and his plans for a strong, speedy recovery. Former No10 Adviser Tim Montgomerie kicks off shortly after on the Lucy Letby case and the apparent failures by the NHS. Professor Health & Nursing Policy, King's College London & Former President, Royal College of Nursing Dame Ann Rafferty joins shortly after to discuss further the sentencing of Lucy Letby as she is given a whole life term, with no chance of parole, for the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six more. The Bruges Group Robert Oulds returns to The Independent Republic to discuss the ongoing migrant crisis as 661 people crossed the Channel in small boats yesterday, and Laura Dodsworth returns for her weekly takedown of the worst headlines from clown world. All that and so much more, so tune in! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Anthony Albanese stumbles on the price of petrol. Plus, author Laura Dodsworth joins Outsiders to discuss her latest book ‘Free Your Mind'. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Laura Dodsworth is a photographer, artist and author. In her most recent book Free Your Mind: The New World of Manipulation and How to Resist it, Laura draws on the Nudge Unit, behavioural psychology and fact checking services to analyse the range of ways in which our minds are manipulated. On the podcast, Laura talks about the government propaganda machine and how this all relates back to issues such as climate catastrophe, the pandemic and free speech. 

Laura Dodsworth is a photographer, artist and author. In her most recent book Free Your Mind: The New World of Manipulation and How to Resist it, Laura draws on the Nudge Unit, behavioural psychology and fact checking services to analyse the range of ways in which our minds are manipulated. On the podcast, Laura talks about the government propaganda machine and how this all relates back to issues such as climate catastrophe, the pandemic and free speech. 

Church of England rev with a difference Jamie Franklin sat down with author Laura Dodsworth to discuss themes arising from her new book Free Your Mind: The New World of Manipulation and How To Resist It.In a wide-ranging conversation, we spoke about brainwashing by the government and in education, the infantilisation of the UK population during COVID, how fear is used as a tool of control, how to help people wake up, what self-individuation is and how to do it, behavioural psychology and MINDSPACE, the weaponisation of climate change as a means of population management, whether or not brainwashing is a left or a right phenomenon, going to church and whether or not all vicars are agents of manipulation (including me!).If you enjoyed this special episode, please consider supporting the podcast in the following ways:Support us on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/irreverend) or Buy Me a Coffee (https://www.buymeacoffee.com/irreverend). Subscribe to Jamie's Blog here: https://jamiefranklin.substack.com. And please rate, review us and share on social media!Support the show

Those who love and defend personal freedom catch a lot of hate these days from both wings of the uniparty. Logan Albright has some great insights on how liberty has become the universal scapegoat. Fear is a useful tool in the hands of activists. Laura Dodsworth explains how the green agenda is fueled by fear as climate alarmists try to terrify us into changing our behavior. Cities have long been equated with civilization but things are changing. Doug Casey makes a strong case that the ongoing deterioration of large cities may be a signal that it's time to relocate. The fight over school choice is largely driven by resistance to the introduction of woke ideology and indoctrination into our government schools. Brandon Smith says the next generation is being groomed for destruction. Article of the Day: To fully grasp the irrationality of the ruling class towards former president Trump, it's necessary to follow the timeline of madness that began more than 7 years ago. Sasha Stone is a former Democrat and leftist who broke out of the bubble during the covid madness. Her take on Trump and the seeds of hysteria is enlightening. Sponsors: Monticello College Life Saving Food  TMCP Nation Climbing Upward

Those who love and defend personal freedom catch a lot of hate these days from both wings of the uniparty. Logan Albright has some great insights on how liberty has become the universal scapegoat. Fear is a useful tool in the hands of activists. Laura Dodsworth explains how the green agenda is fueled by fear as climate alarmists try to terrify us into changing our behavior. Cities have long been equated with civilization but things are changing. Doug Casey makes a strong case that the ongoing deterioration of large cities may be a signal that it's time to relocate. The fight over school choice is largely driven by resistance to the introduction of woke ideology and indoctrination into our government schools. Brandon Smith says the next generation is being groomed for destruction. Article of the Day: To fully grasp the irrationality of the ruling class towards former president Trump, it's necessary to follow the timeline of madness that began more than 7 years ago. Sasha Stone is a former Democrat and leftist who broke out of the bubble during the covid madness. Her take on Trump and the seeds of hysteria is enlightening. Sponsors: Monticello College Life Saving Food  TMCP Nation Climbing Upward --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/loving-liberty/support

Today opens with me congratulating Democrat Representative Dan Goldman (D-NY) for being one of the most effective Hunter Biden investigators helping the GOP prove their case. After Devon Archer was able to testify in a closed session, he ran to the microphones to declare we learned nothing more than Hunter loves to call his dad and talk about the weather. That was the first attempt to convince us there is nothing to the Biden Crime Family. But, in a curious move, after saying again that Joe Biden did nothing wrong and there was no conflicts of interest, he admits, “Well, except for the firing of the prosecutor in Ukraine.” Then, as if to dismiss that admission, adds that it was a good firing because he was helping Burisma. Yeah, he literally went into gas-lighting mode and said the exact opposite of the truth. But, more importantly, he confirmed Joe Biden does take orders and he charges handsomely for access to him. Democrats and the media then jumped into a third spin story, saying that it doesn't matter what Hunter said or how many times he put his dad on the phone, the reality is, Hunter was selling the “illusion” of access. They want us to believe that Joe Biden is as pure as the wind-driven snow and would never allow himself to bend to Hunter's demands. We are supposed to accept Hunter is some kind of Svengali, hypnotizing all of these powerful nations and business leaders with the illusion of having his dad in his pocket. The problem with that spin is it doesn't hold up to what Rep. Dan Goldman (D-NY) admitted from Devon Archer's own testimony. If Hunter is only selling the illusion, yet we know there was a demand to get the Ukrainian prosecutor fired, how did Joe decide to follow through on that demand? I mean, if Joe couldn't be made to do anything, how did he get on a plane, fly to Ukraine, demand the firing and threaten to withhold $1 billion in loans before finally getting the prosecutor fired? And then, to top it all off, he brags about it on video a few years later? If it's all an illusion, how did this particular chain of events come to pass? Mollie Hemingway, Editor-in-Chief at The Federalist, and Miranda Devine, with the NY Post, both weigh-in on the revelations, the Democrats attempt at spin and that the Biden Crime Family was in the business of selling access to Joe. It's stunning to see how much proof has been laid to bare and still the Legacy/mainstream media refuses to acknowledge it. Even former Democrat Rep. Tulsi Gabbard sees the two-tiered system at play and how it is going to bring an end to our Republic if it is not addressed immediately.  As a closing topic, I once again have to hit the PsyOp campaign being waged against the free world regarding the hoax of man-made climate change. Dr. Ian Plimer was on Sky News with Rita Panahi to discuss the latest doom predictions. Much as I've said for years, Professor Plimer says in his 30 years of science, they have never been right about a single prediction. Journalist and author, Laura Dodsworth, explains how this is happening in the UK and the rest of the Western world as well and it's all orchestrated to get us to comply. When they can compel us to behave as they choose, we have lost all semblance of freedom and liberty. Take a moment to rate and review the show and then share the episode on social media. You can find me on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, GETTR and TRUTH Social by searching for The Alan Sanders Show. You can also support the show by visiting my Patreon page!

On this week's #NCFNewspeak, NCF Director Peter Whittle and Senior Fellow Rafe Heydel-Mankoo are joined by special guest Laura Dodsworth, best-selling author of Free Your Mind: The New World of Manipulation and How to Resist It. They discuss: * Sadiq Khan's disastrous anti-misogyny #maaate campaign * Nigel Farage's victory over NatWest has exposed the sinister workings of ALL our banks * Are Michael Gove's new housing proposals an exciting opportunity, a disaster or simply pie in the sky thinking? Also, please visit our new website, featuring all 6 episodes of our critically-acclaimed documentary series THE WEST: https://www.westerncivilization.co.uk/ --------------- SUBSCRIBE: If you are enjoying the show, please subscribe to our channel on YouTube (click the Subscribe Button underneath the video and then Click on the Bell icon next to it to make sure you Receive All Notifications) AUDIO: If you prefer Audio you can subscribe on itunes or Soundcloud. Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/user-923838732 itunes: https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/s... SUPPORT/DONATE: PAYPAL/ CARD PAYMENTS - ONE TIME & MONTHLY: You can donate in a variety of ways via our website: http://www.newcultureforum.org.uk/#do... It is set up to accept one time and monthly donations. JOIN US ON SOCIAL MEDIA: Web: http://www.newcultureforum.org.uk F: https://www.facebook.com/NCultureForum/ Y: https://www.youtube.com/@NewCultureForum T: http://www.twitter.com/NewCultureForum (@NewCultureForum)

Laura Dodsworth is an author, journalist and photographer. Laura's brand new book 'Free your mind' is out now. Buy here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Free-Your-Mi... In this conversation today, Laura & I discuss influence techniques that are being used commonly today to 'nudge' our behaviours in certain directions, and what we can do to think critically about them. To watch this online: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VYGV40ZeW0 Connect with Laura: https://twitter.com/BareReality https://www.lauradodsworth.com Connect with us: https://freedompact.co.uk/newsletter​ (Healthy, Wealthy & Wise Newsletter) https://instagram.com/freedompact​ https://twitter.com/freedompactpod freedompact@gmail.com

Show notes and Transcript Dr Clare Craig has become known to many of us over the last 3 years for her medical wisdom and common sense shared on her Twitter account.  For 15 years she worked in the NHS so her subsequent time in pathology and clinical data puts her in a perfect position to make sense of the Covid data bombarding us all.  Clare joins Hearts of Oak to discuss her first book that was recently published titled 'Expired: Covid, the Untold Story'.  She goes through 12 beliefs or assumptions we were all told as fact which she debunks in a clear and systematic way before discussing the media attacks which she has faced, including from so called 'friendly' media. We finish by looking at a new train of thought, that maybe viruses don't even exist, and Dr Craig eloquently puts forward the case to dismantle this argument. Dr Clare Craig BM BCh FRCPath studied medicine at Cambridge University moving to Oxford for her final three years of clinical training. After qualifying she practised in the NHS for 15 years specialising as a diagnostic pathologist and becoming a fellow of the Royal College of Pathologists. Subsequently she was the day to day lead for pathology and clinical data in the cancer arm of the 100,000 Genomes Project and worked in A.I. cancer diagnostics. From May 2020, she has worked full time, pro bono, on covid research, distilling the evidence for a lay audience. Since January 2021 she has co-chaired HART with Dr Jonathan Engler. HART (Health Advisory and Recovery Team) is a multi-disciplinary body of experts who have provided an independent source of information on covid issues. Despite attempts to smear her (supported by government) she has continued speaking out and remained a consistent voice of reason and calm throughout the covid era. 'Expired: Covid the untold story' available from Amazon in paperback, audio-book and e-book https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0C9FNHYTV/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i0 Connect with Dr Craig... TwitterX:         https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath?s=20 HART Group:  https://www.hartgroup.org/ Interview recorded 19.7.23 *Special thanks to Bosch Fawstin for recording our intro/outro on this podcast. Check out his art https://theboschfawstinstore.blogspot.com/ and follow him on GETTR https://gettr.com/user/BoschFawstin and Twitter https://twitter.com/TheBoschFawstin?s=20  To sign up for our weekly email, find our social media, podcasts, video, livestreaming platforms and more...  https://heartsofoak.org/connect/ Please subscribe, like and share!   Subscribe now Transcript (Hearts of Oak) Hello Hearts of Oak and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with Dr. Clare Craig.  I had the privilege of meeting Clare at a Workers for England Union conference earlier this year and she has for the last three years spoken boldly truth on COVID and on Twitter. Not one of her impersonators is the tagline and she's obviously got a medical background, studied Oxford, Cambridge, 15 years in the NHS and she joined us to talk about a book she has just had published her first book, Expired, Covid the Untold Story, and she goes through 12 of the lies, the myths that we were given, and systematically takes those apart. Very well written. And then we look at HART, the Health Advisory and Recovery Team that she has co-chaired since the beginning of 2021, why that's needed, the attacks they have had from the mainstream media, but also more surprisingly the attacks from the so-called friendly media, those that supposedly were on side with us, that often are the most vicious.  Dr. Clare Craig, it is wonderful to have you with us today. Thank you so much for joining us.  (Dr Clare Craig) Thanks for having me on Peter. No, great to have you on and can I just point out that she is not one of her impersonators. Do you know that tagline, that stuck with me and I knew what your tagline was before I knew who you were and I kept saying, what's this not one of her impersonators? Who is this person and then I delve deeper. So I love that little tagline you have on it. Actually, my daughter persuaded me to remove it this week, so why do you say that, it's so embarrassing. And actually I haven't had an impersonator for a while, so I did take it off this week, so now I'm just me. Just you, all good, all good. And obviously, @ClareCraigPATH on Twitter, the best place to find you and then all the links out from there. And your background, obviously medical, studied medicine at Cambridge University before moving to Oxford. You were in the NHS 15 years, and then you worked a lot on the cancer side. That's possibly for another time. That's an intriguing side, just that, but we'll park that aside. We're going to get on to your book, which has just come out at the end of last month, expired. Get on to heart why, that was started, what that's for and then a couple of the stories that you have been highlighting as you have been doing for the last three years. But Claire if I can ask you first, just give us a little bit of your background and also your medical background because that actually gives you the, legitimacy to write a book which you've written. Okay, so yeah I'm a fully qualified doctor, I qualified in 2000 and you know I was a junior doctor on the hospital wards back in the day, but I went and specialised in diagnostics because it always struck me that that was the most important thing really, you've got to get that bit right and I also never had enormous faith in all that pharmaceutical companies told me about their drugs, and didn't particularly want to be a drug peddler. So I went down the diagnostics route from early on. And also that fascinated me because you get the full breadth of medicine and you get all the kind of scientific backing of it. And so it really felt like the meat to me of the subject. And so when I first started down the kind of COVID path, it was with that diagnostics hat on. So it was in summer of 2020. And as somebody who knows about medical testing, there were issues that were really clearly going on with how we were testing for COVID in that period. And there were clearly testing errors being treated as if they were real disease. And I didn't have time to dig into it at the time. So I had been home-schooling four children. And then it was the summer holidays. And so during the summer holidays, I was like, I can't wait for them to go back to school because I really want to get some data out and have a look at what's going on here. And so it was September when I did. And what I tried to do was check that hypothesis that there was a problem by looking at whether the people who are being diagnosed or in hospital and dying with a COVID label in the summer had the same characteristics as the ones in spring. Because there were certain things about COVID that were quite unique, like it killed 60% men in the spring of 2020. And there were far more Black people in ICU. And there were more diabetics and hypertensive. And there's all sorts of things that tell you that this is COVID without the test. So you can compare those and see how well the test is doing. And so I did that and it didn't look like it was doing very well. And I thought, well, what do I do with this? And I wasn't on social media or anything like that, really not my cup of tea, that kind of thing, nor is being on these sorts of shows, by the way, but I'm doing it anyway. But that, so you've grown your Twitter to a sizable following really on the back of you speaking truth on COVID. Yeah, I've kind of just tried to do that and you know I have just told people what the evidence is showing and there does seem to be an appetite for that because it's not being provided by mainstream sources and yeah that really is all that I have done. It's been a very odd journey really, the whole social media thing, because I remember getting stage fright repeatedly at particular points. The number of followers would go up to a hundred and I'd think, oh god, now that feels like I'm speaking to a lot of people and then it'd be a thousand and I'd have the same thing and I'd just go quiet for a while. I'd hit each of the landmarks and then it got so big that I just couldn't actually visualize it anymore and then just carried on. But yeah, every now and again I do, I'm astonished by how many people are listening to what I'm saying. But it is a huge responsibility and I think all of us who are speaking out, you're speaking out, as a real expert, a true expert, but there are many commentators and we really do, you do others, you have a responsibility in what we put out because there are a lot of people watching that and observing and taking that as fact and that is, that is pressure.  Yeah, absolutely and, you know I have made mistakes along the way and so I have tried to always acknowledge that but there's this awful thing that happens where, if you make a mistake, especially when it's something that, like the it's more likely to be a mistake if it's something slightly shocking, something surprising. So you'll make a mistake and that will go really far and then you'll try and correct it if it's wrong and then that doesn't get picked up and so there's always that it's really really difficult because you can't go wrong. If you go wrong you can't really pull it back and you know I've learned that lesson the hard way. I think I've touched wood, it's been a while since I made a mistake that I've had to try and pull back on. But I was doing that earlier on and, you know, had to really learn that the hard way around. And the thing is that I'm going to make mistakes, right? That's the problem. And that's the whole problem with the way that free speech is approached at the moment, is that people seem to have this idea that you should be allowed to speak as long as you get everything right. Well, nobody. That means that nobody can speak, because everybody knows they're going to make mistakes at some point about some things. And so as soon as you're told that you're going to be cancelled if you make a single mistake, then you're basically silencing everybody. Yeah, 100%. Before we get on the bit, what point was it? Many of us were looking on at the information coming out. At daily death totals and I'm trying to make make sense of it and I've always found intriguing talking to those in the medical community because I want to hear kind of where they came from, what they were looking at, what they were suspicious about, how they viewed it. What was it for for you? Was there a point where you thought, hmm, this doesn't seem right. Yeah, so I was really bought into the whole thing in spring 2020, and I think that the Diamond Princess story stopped me worrying about me and my husband and my children, but I was still worried about the system collapsing, and I was still worried about my parents, you know, I was still watching BBC, looking at the counts. I remember that, I really vividly remember actually, the time when it was about to peak and like the amount it had risen each day had slowed and every day you'd kind of say well has it fallen yet, has it fallen yet, and there was about a week before the death toll finally fell. But in that period you know I was completely bought into the whole thing and worried about the staff on the front line, volunteered myself to help but was never contacted and really it wasn't until the summer and that sort of testing issue that I started to properly question what was going on and then having you know put my face and my name online saying there's a problem here, really naively I expected one of two things to happen I thought either they're going to say oh no no no you've got that wrong you've looked into it and it's x y z or they'd say, oh yeah, you're right, we'll see what we can do to fix it. I really thought those were the two scenarios I was facing. But what actually happened was that I got attacked, and people tried to cancel me and then other people got in touch and introduced themselves and said, actually, you know, I've had this concern about my area of expertise. And so I was then kind of thrown into this world of scepticism with a lot of people who sounded genuine but who were clearly minorities in their field, as no one else in their field was saying this, it was just a few of them, or just them. I thought, well I can't just believe all these people because that's not rational. And so I had to sort of go back to first principles and try to figure out what they they were saying each time. And it took ages. And I wasn't working, so I could do it. But I was literally all hours of the day trying to figure out what was going on. And I always said it took about six months to figure out what was really happening. But I mean, that's not really true, because I've continued to learn about it since. I mean, it's been a huge amount of work to try to figure out what's going on. And that was part of the reason for writing the book, actually was, if I've just gone through all this complexity to try to get a handle on it, other people can't be expected to do that, you know, I want a shorter journey for other people. And obviously a lot of people have taken that journey independently and are where we're at, But what I really wanted for the book was to aim for people who are at the beginning and want to, well not necessarily the beginning, hopefully appeals to everyone. I learnt loads writing it and I think there'll be, you know, I think even though you know loads about it Peter, I hope you'd enjoy reading it because there's brilliant stories in there, there are new little bits of information you might not know. But the style I wanted to write it in was to avoid anyone running away, sticking their fingers in their ears, feeling foolish. I didn't want any of that and ultimately there's some brilliant books already out there for our side of the argument. But the titles are very off-putting to say the least to someone who's on the other side. And there's a lot of anger, understandably, in those books. And to be honest, there's a bit of anger in my book, too. But I've tried to keep it towards the end. Because I think if you're going to explain to people what's happened, the problem we had when I started out writing this in 2001 is that when you were speaking to someone about it face-to-face, You might take some little part of the puzzle, and you would explain that to them, and they'd understand it. And then they would be in cognitive dissonance because it didn't fit with all the other parts of the puzzle as they understood it. And so next time you met them, you'd be back at square one. And so I thought the only way to actually teach people about this is to have their attention for a considerable period of time, because you have to explain all the different facets in order to understand the whole. And so that was why I thought I'm going to have to write a book because otherwise people won't get it. So the book isn't really, it's not my Twitter feed. It's not the kind of maths and graphs and science, but that I could have written. And maybe one day I will write because I wanted it to really have a purpose, which was to be able to, you know, get through to people who maybe just now starting to get curious, who just now the fear starting to ebb, they're able to actually think rationally again, I want to talk to them. Well, I'll bring it up. Obviously there have been so many. Some look at the political failure. Ed book looks at the excess deaths that's happening. Others look at the media. Laura Dodsworth book looking at how fear was used in the media. And there are so many aspects of it. Here is, let me bring up, here is Expired, COVID, the untold story. And it's a large book. How, so you spent quite a while, I assume, working on it. What was that like? I've never written a book. I've talked to others who, big things have happened and they said, I have to put pen to paper and I have to put my thoughts down. Did you ever feel you were never going to get it finished because there's so much to cover? What was your kind of, was a narrow focus? Did that become wider? Were you concerned you, you know, you never get to covering everything? What was it like for you as someone writing the first book? So, I mean, all of the things that you just said, really. So, I set out to take each of these beliefs around COVID and start with where people were at and explain to them why they believe what they believed and then sort of show which parts of that story aren't very true. And I kind of came up with quite a few beliefs because there are all sorts of beliefs around COVID that are flawed. And then I thought, actually, that's not going to really be enough. So what I need to do is also explain to people, the psychology of belief, why we believe what we believe, what we take on trust, why we change our mind, how important authority is, how important fear is, because otherwise you haven't really understood why you've believed it all. So I put that bit in. And then it became also a little bit about sort of almost pseudo-religious aspects of it, the way we have these false prophets and the high priests and Puritans with their zero COVID claims. And so there was that theme running through it too. And actually at one point it was, got really too big. And so I pulled out the vaccine. I just thought, right, let's just do a book about the virus and how it spreads. And so the vaccine is gonna be book two and the treatments and the origin. So all the kind of slightly meatier topics. And actually the book two is also more about the witch hunts. And it's just like it's step two of the whole thing. So step one is the mild introduction version. And then it really ramps up. And so having done that, it was a more reasonable size. And then it sort of grew again. And so what was helpful about it taking? It really did take a lot of work. And I read loads of nonfiction. And whenever I read a nonfiction book, I always think, wow, that must have been so much work to do. And it is. It's so much work to do. But what I was hopeful about taking a long time is that It didn't change. So, you know, I'd written this story, I've explained everything in this way, and you think, well, over time, other things might be revealed, which would mean that you, might have to rewrite bits, or you might have emphasised things wrongly, and it didn't change. That was really reassuring, that after sitting on it, well, it wasn't sitting on it, but you know, after the editing and the typesetting, all the processes you have to go through, I didn't feel like it needed to be changed. It's the same story it held for that length of time. And, you know, it's also a brilliant reference book. So whilst doing it, it was really helpful to me because I knew where to go for all the different key bits of information because it was all there and referenced in the document I was working. You go, you break down, you go through different, you call them beliefs. And you say, well, this is one belief and wasn't correct. COVID only spread through close contact or COVID would likely kill me or everyone's susceptible. And you go through each of them and disprove it. You even say, how does Scientists get things wrong? Wow, that's a break with tradition in this day and age where everything we are told from someone who has an educational background must be true because they've learned it in a university somewhere. What, as you were going through, tell us about, yeah, putting all those in and how you, I guess, how you went about refuting it because it is, we've all had these debates with friends, family, colleagues, and sometimes you feel as though you're hitting a brick wall And they're just saying, but the BBC told me. And you're like, no, let's think through. How did you feel just trying to break down these positions and nullify each of them. So, I mean, this was, like, the thinking behind it, I can't say this all 100% mine. You know, I've been talking to people about this stuff for a long, long time, and, you know, the people in HART in particular, and trying to figure out what was going on. And that took us on all sorts of different journeys. So sometimes where we ended up was in the history books 100 years ago, we're thinking, well, where did this come from, this idea? So the idea, say, of asymptomatic transmission. That's been around a long time, and it's never been based on anything more than it was a really good explanation for why some of the other myths don't look right in the real world. So there was this guy called Charles Chapin, who was a public health officer in Providence in Rhode Island. And he wrote a book in 1910, which became the textbook of public health medicine. And sure, he's a perfectly pleasant guy, but it's quite clear from his writing that he's got an issue with germs. He talks about how he has to touch things that people have touched on public transport, and the windowsills are all dirty, and people lick the pages of a book he might touch. So he's got this real issue with it. And he is absolutely passionate about close contact transmission. And he's passionate about it because he's living in an era where there's still a bit of a hangover from miasma theory. So the germ theories won the argument 50 years before him. And the miasma theory was discredited and was over. But people still talked about things being spread through the air. And they talked about, he calls it the sewer gas fogie, this idea that the smells from the sewer have got disease in them and you want to avoid it. And he thought this was completely wrong and that it was only spread through close contact for every disease except TB. He had an exception for TB because people had done this experiment where they put hamsters in cages at the top of a TB ward and the hamsters caught TB. So he thought, well, we'll exclude TB, but he basically grouped every other infectious disease, the same. So TB was different, but everything else must spread the same way. And he talks about mouth spray and how it's coming out in mouth spray. And so you have to be in close contact to somebody for a spread to occur. And he did some good things. Well, probably did some good things. So one of the things that made him so passionate about this was that there was evidence at the time that in infectious disease wards in the hospital, if you separated the beds a bit more, disease spread less in that ward. And so he thought, well, this is proof that it must all be from bodily fluids. And therefore, you know, we've got to really, we've got to make sure people are all doing this. And so that's what he was really evangelical about. And I think probably he was right that spreading out the beds reduced infection in hospitals. But it wasn't because of mouth spray. It was because of a variety of reasons, depending on the disease. And for respiratory diseases, it was largely because aerosols are at a much higher concentration than they are to a person that you are. But they can spread a long, long way. And anyway, so he had this theory. He wrote up his book. And towards the end of the book, he says, well, the real problem with my theory is influenza, because we know that it appears overnight, just rapidly, all across the world. And we get these massive surges that are too fast for it to be spread person to person. So he said, the only way to explain this is a symptomatic transmission. It must be that all of these people that are apparently healthy are the ones giving it to you. And then, at the end of the book, he says, probably wrong on most of this, but you know. So he kind of does this disclaimer where he says, obviously, this is just based on what we know today. There's bound to be more that we find out along the way. And I'm very happy to keep learning and accept that some of this is going to be wrong. And that bit obviously always gets completely ignored. And everyone bought into the close contact spread idea and bought into the asymptomatic transmission idea. And it doesn't really seem to have been questioned properly since. And the close contact transmission story has been questioned a lot by physicists who do work on aerosols. So often they were experienced in air pollutants and how they move. But the physics is the same for aerosols from people. And so they knew all about how aerosols could spread and how they'd go long distances. And we're saying this at the beginning of the pandemic, as it were, inverted commas, and they were shut down and ignored. They were called misinformation spreaders by the WHO. And what's interesting about that particular group though, is that they have always tried to go along with the narrative. So that they would always, in their writing, they'll say, well, we know that it's not droplet spreading it, which masks might be able to stop because a big droplet of saliva would be stopped by a mask. We think it's aerosols, but that means you need to mask more with better masks. So they kind of use that, I think. Well, I don't know if it's deliberate or subconscious, and maybe they do believe it. So that's a way in to the medical literature, is to say what your findings are, and then you sort of recite the scriptures of the public health high priests, and then you get published. It's ridiculous, but if you look at it, you can see that this has happened again and again throughout the last few years, where people will show a result that actually contradicts the scriptures, but in the abstract introduction and the discussion, they'll repeat the scriptures, and then they get published, and then they're through. And so that's what these people were doing as well, but I think they do believe it because they continue to talk about the importance of respiratory masks to reduce aerosol transmission. But do you think, so looking at this, usually with any business you assess what you're doing, you assess your relationship with the customer, you assess how you're growing and you keep looking at that and want to do things better and you get rid of things that aren't working. My huge worry, is that no one in position of authority seems to have learned anything. No one is willing to say actually we really screwed up on this in this area or that area. It's no no no we we did our best and if something happens again we'll probably do something similar. How is it that those in authority, I mean the medical, media, government. They're not learning from mistakes. It's weird. It's very, very weird. So they sort of do these kind of goalpost shifts, don't they? So with the vaccine, the goalpost was, well, it starts off with, we're going to get herd immunity and COVID is going to go away. And I think that was said repeatedly by all sorts of people. That was how it was sold at the beginning. And that was a justification for no one is safe until everyone is safe, which actually that phrase is still being used, still up on the WHO website. And then the evidence came out that actually that was not the case. These vaccines do not stop infections. And so they started saying, well, but they stop hospitalisations and deaths and emphasise that more. But at no point have they said, no, they don't stop infections. And so we still, and even in June, the Department of Health was still pushing adverts, last chance to get your first dose aimed at people like me who haven't had one. Because for good reason, and it's not bad to go and get one, but the reasoning can only be, to stop an infection. And they're still now justifying giving it to children, because the child lives with someone who believes that they are at risk. That's frightening. That's completely unethical and yet that justification is ongoing. But in the meantime, we've had good evidence since that actually it's worse than nothing. It's not that it's not stopping infection, the people who've had the most doses are the ones most likely to be infected. And that message is obviously being massively suppressed, but there's good evidence for it. And where there was sort of public health data sources that were showing this shifting trend that with Delta, the infections did appear to be more in the unvaccinated relatively. Over time that reduced, reduced, reduced, and then it went the wrong way and it became more in the vaccinated. And then that data source got pulled and that happened again and again across the world. And those data sources have not been put back up. And you think, well, what are we meant to think about that, guys? That's just the biggest signal that there's a terrible issue going on here. And so they might suppress this big, cleave-in study with 45,000 health care workers being tested repeatedly. Which clearly shows a dose dependency. But if they're not showing the real-world data either, you're like, well, you're just hiding this problem that you've created now. And we don't know where that problem's going to go. We don't know what that means longer term. And there seems to be a belief that almost everybody holds at the moment, which might well be right, that COVID's basically over now. It's done. But I am not 100% sure that is right. So if you look at wastewater sampling, which is obviously are pretty, that measure isn't affected by how often people are tested and all that kind of thing. It's just a straightforward measure over time. And it's starting to creep back up in the southern states of the USA, which at this time of year start to get COVID again. And it may be that it'll just come and go, but I'm not completely convinced by this story that everyone's had it. We're told repeatedly everyone's had it, based on blood donor samples, looking at antibodies, and they say, well, you know, we've traced it all through, and we've seen it rise and rise and rise, and now everybody's had it. But I'm not very sure that that data is right, because when you ask people, which I've done repeatedly, albeit on Twitter, but you know, samples of 20,000 people, and I've done it over time, every few months, and I'm always getting around the same answers, and it changes over time. But we're still at a point where about 40% of both vaccinated and unvaccinated people say they've not had this thing. You think, well that's a huge chunk if we're, you know, if it's working its way through the population, we've got some way to go yet. Where does that put the public in terms of trust in the health profession, because now I think actually I really don't want to go and see my doctor. Not that you can anymore, because you have to go through four phone calls and have a full assessment by some person somewhere before you even see a doctor, but that's a separate issue. Simply, I think that if I go and see my doctor, all they're going to do is give me a load of drugs that they're probably making money on. And it's the last place. I mean, anyone who tells me that, oh, yes, you're sick because you don't have any symptoms. So if you have no symptoms, that means you're sick. That's great. Or because you've had a a box that's made in China and therefore that tells you, I mean it's, we used to not trust when I said made in China, now actually we have trusted our lives literally with that. But what from your assessment is, as someone who has worked in the health industry all your professional life, what's the damage this has done to the profession and to doctors and to the public going to see their medical professional.  So for a long time I was really distraught about the damage this had done to the medical profession and the inability of my peers to see it. They couldn't see the harm that they each individually were causing and that's the thing isn't it, that because they're in the majority, because they're in the group, they sort of think, well I'm I'm doing the right thing. It's not me. It's not on me, any of this. But of course it is, because you didn't speak out. You didn't say the difference. You didn't show. You didn't question it. You didn't speak to your colleagues and say, we can't be doing it like this. Anyway, over time, I've come to not only be reconciled with the loss of trust, but actually, I see it in a completely different way. I think there was too much trust in doctors. There was too much. And I absolutely think that every patient who's properly sick needs a doctor that they can trust, a trusting relationship with their doctor. And that's absolutely what I would want if I was sick. But I think that trust has to be earned. And it shouldn't just be there just because of a white coat. That's not a good place to be. Because when you're acutely ill and anxious, of course, you want to just be able to put all of your faith in medicine. But that isn't probably where faith belongs. And,  If it means that people are a little bit more questioning, a little bit more careful, a little bit more cautious about the advice, wanting to check what it really means and understand it for themselves, a little bit more careful about preventing having to ever see a doctor, if you can do all those things to keep yourself healthy so that you're not in front of a doctor. Then actually that's a good thing. I think all of those are good things. And I think as a society we perhaps have become more unhealthy because of this faith in the medical profession, being able to just solve all your ills. And very often in reality, I mean medicine's done some brilliant stuff. I mean I'm a really big fan of some aspects of Western medicine. We have testicular cancer used to kill young men and now almost all young men, if they're diagnosed early enough, they're going to be cured. It's a brutal treatment, but they get to live the rest of their life. And that's a phenomenal thing that is a really exciting achievement of the way that science has developed and taught us things. So I'm not anti-medicine in any way. But on the other hand, I know lots of people who take far too many drugs. And doctors are not very good good at stopping people taking drugs. And my father is one of the people that it brings to mind. But he actually died last year. But in the lead up to his death, it felt like he was consuming more pharmaceuticals than food. It was just the balance was completely wrong. And I'd been fighting for some years to get him off certain drugs that clearly weren't appropriate. And I couldn't get the doctors to stop it. And I didn't want to be the one that stopped it. His relationship was with his doctor, not with me. And I think he was sceptical about some of them, too, but didn't want to rock the boat. And that's not healthy, right? We need to have a medical profession that thinks as often about stopping this into starting them. because... That every medicine has a side effect, you know, they all have side effects and some, you know, if you get the dose right, hopefully it makes not much difference, but over time you might find that a side effect becomes a problem and then you're going back to the doctor and you're getting a drug to treat the side effect and these quickly enter a bit of a vicious cycle that we need to avoid if we want to have a healthy population. Can I, I want to ask you about HART, Health Advisory Recovery Team that you have co-chaired since the beginning of 2021 and I'm sure writing this book will not do your medical career in the UK any good and I'm amazed at people's willingness to speak truth despite the personal cost it is for them and I know to people like you I think wow if only we had more people like yourself in all different fields who would actually stand up and speak what they believe is right as opposed to following the line. But tell us about HART. I've read a lot of the information HART has put out. Is that a collection of those working in the medical profession that are questioning? Just tell us about that and what people can find on the website. So HART is a group of professionals but we're not all medics by any means. We've got other healthcare professionals including lots of psychotherapists who you know obviously they were very, concerned about the fear propaganda and the impact that everything's had on mental health. But we've also got other professionals including economists and ethicists and lawyers and all sorts of skill sets, because really it's not about just medicine. And so a good chunk of those people were speaking out independently and were being dismissed as being outliers or lone wolves and attacked as individuals. And so the person who set it up said, we've got to bring you guys together so that you can't be attacked like that and that you're speaking as one, which is why we did it. And we actually started off authoring different articles. We started off with a big review of the evidence, sort of going through different aspects of the narrative that didn't make sense based on conventional science. So there's something very interesting about how this played out in that if you have something new discovered in science. What happens is that the person with this sort of new hypothesis will say, Look now, I found this thing. And they might have to argue their case against the sort of established authorities who've got their evidence base where that didn't fit. So you've got this sort of new thing, new evidence up against the old guard and this old body of old beliefs. So that's where the battle lies. But with Covid, we had the authorities taking on a new belief system. And so in HART, we had the whole body of established scientific knowledge that we could rely on to say, well, this is actually what's going on. And so that's what was happening. It's we were writing based on decades of knowledge, saying, well, what they're saying there isn't right. And so what the benefit of that was, that a year on, we went back to that evidence review and we said, which of it did we get wrong? Because it's been a year, we've bound to got some of it wrong. Let's go back and review each of those things and update it. And when we did that, there wasn't very much we'd got wrong at all, because it was just common sense and broad understanding of how the world works compared to some really very strange new beliefs that had been introduced but had been bought by the whole population. So from that, we went on to writing weekly bulletins. So we've kind of tried to give an evidence-based review of things that have been happening in the world that mainstream media aren't covering. Largely around COVID, almost entirely around COVID. And so we have now this huge, this website's full of information, which again stacks up over time. You know, it hasn't really, all of it still works. And there was a time, in fact, it was in the summer of 2021, when we were quite badly under attack. And I had already been attacked brutally back in January 21 by Neil O'Brien, who was an MP. And at the time, he was a minister in the Justice Department. And he did this sort of Twitter shaming of me, where he pulled out tweets that I'd said and was essentially saying, oh my god, she said this. Look at this. She said this. And for some of them, I'd got it wrong. And so by all means, tease me, shame me. I made a mistake. But for quite a lot of them, I was just stating facts. I was saying things like the number of A&E attendances in this period was less than the period the year before. And that was something that didn't fit with what you'd expect, because that was during January 2021, when we were in the middle of the COVID wave. We're going to get overwhelmed. And so somebody who was reading the BBC and thinking we're about to be overwhelmed might read that and think, well, that's not true. It can't be true. But it was true. It was true. And I was being shamed by a minister saying, oh, my God, she said this. Can you believe it? What is this person? Call yourself a doctor. She's saying there's fewer attendances. There were fewer attendances. So it's a bit hard. It's really odd to know how to defend yourself. When someone's like calling you out for telling the truth, what's the defence there? Anyway, so that happened. And then in the summer of 2021, HART were using this kind of conversation software. So we were sort of sharing conversations with each other online, and it got hacked. So we were sort of illegally hacked, and the content of those conversations were shared. And within 24 hours of being hacked, a company called Logically AI contacted us and said, we're about to publish all of your chat logs, do you want to, you know, write to respond as if they're, as if they're journalists, right? So you're like, oh my God, what the hell is this? And we did actually give a response and they did print that response. But it turns out this company was a tiny setup that was formed by a 27 year old on his own who's still the only named shareholder director in the company, was given 1 and 1⁄2 million pounds by the government. And this is what they did. And if you go back now, actually, I just wrote an article recently for HART. You can find it on the website, where I went back to reviewing what they said about us in June 2021. And basically, the way they were trying to smear us was saying, these people say lockdowns don't work. These people say masks don't work. So they were literally saying that because our beliefs, well, our knowledge was conflicting with their beliefs, that was enough to be smeared. And so I went through in the Tweets and the article all the things that they were using to discredit us, to show that absolutely those have stood up over the course of time. And the one thing that was slightly more controversial was the last one, where people in the HART chat group we've been having a conversation about how certain people after their injections seem to have magnetism in their arm at the injection site and that sounds bonkers but actually there was really good evidence of that and people did Kind of Vox Pox type videos where they were out in the street with people, complete strangers, asking them if they've been vaccinated and trying it out and half the time there was nothing there at all. But, you know, like 40% of the time, these magnets were sticking and you could feel the pull and it wasn't just, you know, it was only in that particular point in the arm, it wasn't in the other arm, it wasn't sweat, it was really clearly there was something going on there. But, you know, that is obviously quite an odd thing to be talking about. And we talked about it in the chat log in private saying, what do we do with this? What do you think about this? Because actually, that's how science works. You get to discuss things. And we didn't talk about it in public. But I did in this article that I just wrote just now, because I think this was a real phenomenon. I don't think it was microchipping and all that nonsense that people sort of, you know, but I do think it was a real phenomena. And the fact is that. So some, although we don't know all because it's all secretive, but some of the manufacturers who are making this product use magnetic beads to separate out the nucleic acid. So what happens is you have all sorts of stuff, sort of cellular machinery that's being used to make the product, and you have to go through purification steps along the way, otherwise you're gonna be injecting all sorts of gubbins. And so one of the ways to purify is to use magnetic beads that have antibodies on them that hold on to the bits that you're trying to separate out. And then you wash them clean. And then you use electric forces to get the magnets to release it. And then you've got what you need. But we know now that there were all sorts of contaminants in these vaccines. So we have DNA from the bacterial plasmids of being used that got into the vaccines. There's endotoxin from bacterial cell walls that seem to have got into some of the vaccines. So the idea that these magnetic beads never made it, never got sucked out along with the rest, is just, of course, they would have done sometimes. And so we can't prove how many of the manufacturing lines had magnetic beads. But the idea that some people have magnetic beads in them, having been injected with something that wasn't very pure, Yeah, I completely buy that. Yeah, that whole thing on different batches is a massive area. And just two things I want to ask you, one was the attacks. You've had friendly fire attacks. I mean, that article spiked, I think, that had issue. And the attacks are either calling you out for speaking truth or throwing names at you. Those are the two tactics, the truth. Yeah, that is what I said, or you're anti-vaxxer, flat-earther, whatever it's going to be. Has that surprised you, coming from angles that you think, actually, I thought we were kind of on the same side here. I've never been called a flat earther. But yeah, I do get called things by people who were supposedly on the same side as me. And probably not as much as some people, because I kind of don't do anything dramatic ever. So I never quite get the same attention that some of them. I mean, I don't know if this is right, right? I'm not criticizing here. I really strongly believe that having a whole range of voices over a spectrum of beliefs is what free speech is about, and it's really, really important that all voices are heard. But my voice is a bit boring. You know, if there's a sort of level of evidence that you've got, you've sort of got a bar, and I will always go a bit below that bar to say, well, this is what we know. We have some flamboyant characters who engage in this, I know. Particularly, it's really interesting, the kind of cultural divide with the US. Because the US always, they go a bit above the bar. And I don't think that that's wrong. I think that's just a cultural difference. In the UK, you say, we've got proof of sort of this. And you under-exaggerate, and people believe you. Whereas in the US, if you're not going over the bar, they think you're talking about something else, because they have that, they just that's how they communicate about risk and about harm. And anyway, so there is that difference. But I have these days, the attacks I get it's friendly fire, it's all around the virus not existing. So there's a lot of people who think that there is no such thing, and I'm not one of them and they get upset by that and you know I think they've probably been shut down more than most and I don't think that's helpful. As I said I think it's really important to hear all voices, but I'll just go through the arguments for why I think virus exists, if you like. So, I believe there was a new illness with characteristic symptoms. They're not completely unique symptoms, because there's only so many symptoms a body can have, right, but they're fairly characteristic. So, actually, one of the polls that I did was trying to work out, you know, who's who's had this thing, and I was talking to people who think they'd had it before testing was widely available, and comparing their answers to people who had it when testing was widely available. And basically, you could tell you had it because of how long it lasted, and because even if you didn't have characteristic symptoms, someone else who cohorted around the same time as you did. And, you know, so there were ways of telling without any testing at all whether or not, you'd had it and I've had it and I've had some weird symptoms. I had eye pain, I couldn't look sideways without my eyes really hurting and actually that's other people have reported that as well. So you know I think you can kind of tell if you've had it. So I think there was this disease with characteristic symptoms and I think it would have been noticed regardless but it would have probably been called a nasty flu if we'd had no molecular biology. And we know that there were instances of spread where groups of people caught it at the same time as each other in a particular place. So there was some kind of environmental factor that is responsible for the symptoms, right? And then we know that these people with these symptoms that caught at the same time as each other, are much more likely than other people to have this particular sequence of RNA when you test their orophants, right? And the sequence of, you know, the testing's not perfect, but the chances of these people testing positive compared to random people is massively different. So there was definitely something there and it's a very specific sequence. And then these same people also test positive for the proteins that that sequence produces. So you can say, well, look, you know, this is the sequence that codes for these proteins and that these people also have these proteins in them. And then they develop antibodies to those proteins over time, right? So you've got a whole sequence of things that say there is a virus. All of that to me says there is a virus. Now. The no virus people seem to be in various different camps, so some of them seem to think there's no viruses at all ever, which is ridiculous, because we've got biological systems which work based on replication of nucleic acid, and any system that's working based on, code is going to be susceptible to viruses, because why wouldn't there be a virus that can interact with that code? It's almost that's the harder thing to believe, is that you could have a system like that where there isn't such a thing as a virus. Now where I have some sympathy with the no virus people is that there are bits of evidence that don't completely fit with this narrative of scary virus out to get us, breathe it in, you get sick, you know there's all sorts of aspects of that that are wrong. So part of it's around the fact most of us aren't susceptible to any one variant, and parts of it's around the fact that our immune systems are developed such that they learn from other foreign material what apparently novel things would look like because it's only ever looking at shapes, it's not ticking off nucleic acid sequences on a list. And one of the things that I have sympathy with them over is that if you look at hospital COVID. You could come up with, based on the narrative, you'd come up with this theory. You'd say, OK, so we had this disease in the community. And over time, there'll be, after it's peaked in the community, you'd expect to see a peak of people coming through A&E, which is what happened. Coming through A&E, also testing positive, because they've been sick in the community and they've now got so sick they've got to come to hospital. And then you're going to have, after that, a peak of people in hospital who are breathing out the virus. And so the peak of people catching it in hospital should be after that. You've had a peak of virus, and then you get a peak of people who've caught it in hospital because you've got that sort of incubation period of a few days, and then it would all die away. But when you look at the data, that's not what happens. So what actually happens is that the peak of people testing positive in a hospital setting happens at the same time as it happens in the community. So there's something that's causing people, whether they're in hospital or in the community, to be susceptible in this wave-like manner that peaks and falls. And then some people get really sick following that. And I'm not suggesting the hospitalized population only had as much COVID as the community. They didn't. They had substantially more. But there you've got people who are, their immune systems, you know, are either very busy with something else or really not working very well at all because they're sick people. So of course you have a higher rate of spread among sick people than you do in the community. But the point is that there is something causing waves of susceptibility that we don't understand. And this has been talked about for a long, long time, but never really acknowledged. So there's a GP called Dr. Hope Simpson who worked in the, well, in the 30s, he set up as a GP and shortly afterwards, he turned his cute little Cirencester cottage, this 18th century cottage, into the epidemiological centre for influenza research. Well, I can't remember the exact title, but he gave it this very, very impressive sounding name. And he studied influenza and he studied it in a really holistic way. So he's got all sorts of evidence based on old parish death records going through his local area, what happened over time. And a lot of his work was based on people developing antibodies to influenza. And he showed that only 10% to 15% of people are susceptible to any wave. And he talked about this susceptibility. And he called these surges and what happened after them. He said that they were caused by a seasonal trigger. And I think that's a really useful term because there is a seasonality to it. It doesn't mean it's once a year, but there is definitely a predictable timing of these seasonal triggers. But we don't know what causes them. And actually, one of the things he reports in his book on influenza is that when you're working in a lab with animals on influenza and you're trying to infect the animals, and people have done this with all these careful experiments where they're looking at different temperatures and humidity and other environmental factors. And what they find is that, regardless of those factors that they're controlling carefully in their experiments, it's much easier to infect them in the winter. Well, that's kind of interesting, isn't it? There's something going on there that we don't understand. And I think that the way the susceptibility isn't just around how likely you are to catch it. I think it's also how sick it makes people. Because we saw that the hospital fatality ratio, which was hard to measure at the very beginning because there wasn't as much hospital testing. But over time, by the time you get to April, May, there was actually plenty of hospital testing. And you see it fall quite dramatically, and then rise again with the next wave and fall again. You think, well, there's something to that, that there's more than. And it kind of makes sense to have. It makes sense of a lot of things, because we know that we've got variants in the community now. And we've had them every summer and yet it doesn't spread. And so, well, you know, how come this one that was around all summer not spreading. When people suddenly become susceptible to in the autumn and the winter, I think, why were none of them catching it in the summer? You know, it was around. And, you know, I get the idea of the mass of the spread, that it might start off slowly. And then, but actually, when you do the maths, the timing is not like it would be with close contact spread. So the all the modelers at the beginning, when Neil Ferguson et al, when they looked at their models of, you know, this person gives it to this person, gives it to this person, then they were anticipating a peak in July of 2020. That's when it should have peaked. And so that's why they believed lockdown had worked, because it peaked earlier than that. But, you know, it peaked, it peaked at the time of year that these things peak. So it wasn't, and we've seen so many ways subsequently, haven't we, across the world, across years now. And in this country, we see peak deaths in January, in April, in July, and then in sort of end of October, beginning of November. And it's been like that, sometimes it's not every single one of those every time, but those are the times when it might peak. And so people, the fact that people still, after three years, are claiming that the earlier peak was to do with lockdown and the second peak was to do with vaccination. Wow, really? Really? And all the subsequent peaks were natural ones. But those two, those two were different. Yes, it's bonkers. And if I could just leave people with the book, Expired: Covid, The Untold Story, you can get it as a paperback, you can get it as an e-book, you can get it as an audiobook, and Dr. Clare Craig will read that to you. It is her herself, so that is an extra treat. I always love when authors put in the time, and there's a lot of time, talking to many of them, of spending hours and hours recording that. So Dr. Clare Craig, thank you so much for joining us today. It's been great having you with us.  Thank you very much for having me, Peter.

In the latest episode, before the rocket blasts off for a brief summer break, it's Allison vs Alison as co-pilot Pearson takes on Dame Alison Rose in the still brewing Coutts Bank versus Nigel Farage war. But who will emerge victorious?Allison thinks things have taken a sinister turn and demonstrates the dark side of the diversity , and equality industry invading big corporations and businesses.Liam thinks this story could be less about wokery and more about the potential dangers of banks moving away from cash transactions and is concerned for the millions of people in the UK that can't get access to a bank account.Elsewhere on the podcast, boarding the rocket this week is previous stowaway Laura Dodsworth and her co-author Patrick Fagan, to chat through their new book ‘Free Your Mind' and some of the techniques they have developed to resist the increasing manipulation present in our every day lives, and how to spot it!Read more from Liam: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/authors/liam-halligan/ |Read more from Allison: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/authors/a/ak-ao/allison-pearson/ |Listen to The Lockdown Files: https://podfollow.com/the-lockdown-files Need help subscribing or reviewing? Learn more about podcasts here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/radio/podcasts/podcast-can-find-best-ones-listen/ |Email: planetnormal@telegraph.co.uk |For 30 days' free access to The Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/normal |See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

On this week's #NCFWhittle we are joined by best-selling author Laura Dodsworth & behavioural scientist Patrick Fagan, co-authors of the excellent new book: Free Your Mind: The New World of Manipulation and How to Resist It. Book description: "There is a war on for your mind. You may not notice, but you are surrounded by manipulators: advertisers, politicians, big tech, even the humble waiter who asks, ‘Still or sparkling?' "Free Your Mind is your field manual to surviving the information battlefield. In this indispensable book, Laura Dodsworth and Patrick Fagan draw on interviews with mind-control experts ranging from monks to magicians, infiltrate cults and forums to uncover their most deceptive techniques and expose the hidden tactics used to influence you, from social media to subliminal messages. "Learn how to recognise the nudges, dispel efforts to brainwash you and always question those who say the choice is yours. If you don't control your mind, someone else will." To order the book please click here: https://harpercollins.co.uk/products/... --------------- SUBSCRIBE: If you are enjoying the show, please subscribe to our channel on YouTube (click the Subscribe Button underneath the video and then Click on the Bell icon next to it to make sure you Receive All Notifications) AUDIO: If you prefer Audio you can subscribe on itunes or Soundcloud. Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/user-923838732 itunes: https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/s... SUPPORT/DONATE: PAYPAL/ CARD PAYMENTS - ONE TIME & MONTHLY: You can donate in a variety of ways via our website: http://www.newcultureforum.org.uk/#do... It is set up to accept one time and monthly donations. ABOUT THE SHOW: Whittle is a weekly discussion show with experts and significant figures from the political, cultural and academic worlds. The host is Peter Whittle (@PRWhittle), Founder & Director of The New Culture Forum, a Westminster-based think tank that seeks to challenge the cultural orthodoxies dominant in the media, academia, and British culture / society at large. JOIN US ON SOCIAL MEDIA: Web: http://www.newcultureforum.org.uk F: https://www.facebook.com/NCultureForum/ Y: https://www.youtube.com/@NewCultureForum T: http://www.twitter.com/NewCultureForum (@NewCultureForum)

Laura Dodsworth, Luke Gittos and Tom Slater discuss climate alarmism, Farage vs Coutts, and the hypocrisy of Just Stop Oil. Order Free Your Mind, by Laura Dodsworth and Patrick Fagan, here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Free-Your-Mind-manipulation-resist/dp/0008600945/  And while you're at it, order Brendan O'Neill's A Heretic's Manifesto from:

It's pretty established that crisis is a marvelous tool for power-seekers and opportunists. Remember that as Jeffrey A. Tucker explains how climate change is the new covid. Most of the media's attention today will be focused on a new Trump indictment. By a strange coincidence, the FedNow digital dollar is launching and the Federal Reserve wants to assure us that it has "no relation with CBDCs." It's always interesting when a media outlet tries to tell us which are the best and worst states in which to live. CNBC's latest list shows the worst states as the ones most people are moving to and the best states as the ones they're fleeing. The craziest thing about the covid and lockdown deceptions was that the intellectual class seemed to buy into them the hardest. Laura Dodsworth has a fascinating take on why intelligent people are so easily tricked. Article of the Day: The leftist grooming of children in public school is like so many other things that are first dismissed as a conspiracy theory only to eventually found out to be factual. The bigger question now is can concerned parents stop schools from grooming children. Sponsors: Monticello College Life Saving Food  TMCP Nation Climbing Upward

It's pretty established that crisis is a marvelous tool for power-seekers and opportunists. Remember that as Jeffrey A. Tucker explains how climate change is the new covid. Most of the media's attention today will be focused on a new Trump indictment. By a strange coincidence, the FedNow digital dollar is launching and the Federal Reserve wants to assure us that it has "no relation with CBDCs." It's always interesting when a media outlet tries to tell us which are the best and worst states in which to live. CNBC's latest list shows the worst states as the ones most people are moving to and the best states as the ones they're fleeing. The craziest thing about the covid and lockdown deceptions was that the intellectual class seemed to buy into them the hardest. Laura Dodsworth has a fascinating take on why intelligent people are so easily tricked. Article of the Day: The leftist grooming of children in public school is like so many other things that are first dismissed as a conspiracy theory only to eventually found out to be factual. The bigger question now is can concerned parents stop schools from grooming children. Sponsors: Monticello College Life Saving Food  TMCP Nation Climbing Upward --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/loving-liberty/support

In a world saturated with information, we have more choices than ever – but how freely do we make them? In their new book Free Your Mind – The new World of Manipulation and how to Avoid it, journalist Laura Dodsworth and behavioural scientist Patrick Fagan argue that there is a war on our minds as the media, advertisers, politicians and big tech vie to influence our decisions.They investigate the psychological techniques – from fear to flattery - that are used every day to manipulate us, and offer advice on how to recognise and resist them.We sat down for a fascinating conversation that ranged from the excesses of Covid lockdowns to the joy of rediscovering your masculinity by getting naked in a forest. Listeners are encouraged to enjoy this episode in the spirit of the book – sceptically… Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Former MEP Rupert Lowe kicks off today's show by delving into the morning's headlines as the Illegal Migration Bill is set to become law after the government won a final series of votes in the Lords. The legislation is central to the prime minister's pledge to stop small boats crossing the English Channel. Former NHS Trust Chair Matin Gower joins shortly after to discuss why on earth more than one million patients a month are having to wait four weeks to see their GP, with rural areas the worst affected. Leader of The Reform Party Richard Tice returns to The Independent Republic to discuss his recent visit to Wales as protesters are claiming victory after a siege ended at a top hotel due to take in more than 200 asylum seekers. The four-star Stradey Park Hotel in Llanelli, South Wales, which allegedly sacked its staff after gaining the Home Office contract, has been surrounded by demonstrators who blocked off the two main entrances, trapping six security workers inside. Author of ‘Free Your Mind' Laura Dodsworth returns for her weekly takedown of the worst headlines from clown world and Baroness Karren Brady CBE closes the show to discuss how we can save the high street. All that and so much more, so tune in! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Columnist at Spiked Online Ella Whelan kicks off todays show by delving into the mornings top headlines as a police investigation looms over what could become the biggest maternity scandal in NHS history as it emerged the inquiry into baby deaths at Nottingham University Hospitals NHS Trust will be the largest ever carried out in the UK with 1,700 cases now being examined. TalkTVs very own Kevin O'Sullivan joins shortly after to discuss the latest from the BBC as controversy continues as the broadcaster made just two attempts over several weeks to contact the family who made what it describes as a "very serious" complaint about a BBC presenter. Social Policy Analyst Rakib Ehsan returns to The Independent Republic to discuss his latest report for Policy Exchange in the Daily Mail as asylum-related spending hits £3.5bn a year which includes hotel accommodation, allowances, healthcare, school places & more. Journalist & Author of ‘Free Your Mind' Laura Dodsworth returns for her weekly takedown of the worst headlines from clown world, and Times travel correspondent Ben Clatworthy closes the show to explain why your train ticket might finally become cheaper - but don't hold your breath!. All that and so much more, so tune in! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Church of England vicars with a difference Thomas Pelham and Jamie Franklin sit down to give a spiritual perspective on the big events of the day. This week, after an absence on the show, Tom gives his own inimitable take on the coronation of King Charles III, we review a Daily Telegraph headline article that tells us that the lockdowns were an enormous, disastrous mistake (about three years too late), and we talk about Laura Dodsworth's recent Substack article in which she shares her desire to go back to church but finds difficulty with the wokeness and lack of spirituality on display in local CofE outlets. We ask why the Church of England hierarchy continues to promote the alternative green religion of Net Zero and engages so little with traditional Christian themes of sin, repentance, forgiveness and eternal life. Maybe it's time for us to try a different approach?Question the Rev asks us to consider the significance of a pride flag on the set of The Chosen and a fourteen year-old convert sends us an email to ask for advice about growing in the faith in the midst of a hostile world. That and much more as always!Please Support!Support us on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/irreverend) or Buy Me a Coffee (https://www.buymeacoffee.com/irreverend). Subscribe to Jamie's Blog here: https://jamiefranklin.substack.comFor your merchandise needs: https://irreverendmerch.bss.designLinks:Daily Telegraph on Lockdown Study - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/04/first-lockdown-prevented-1700-deaths-landmark-study-finds/ Peter Hitchens, 'Lockdown like burning down your home to destroy a wasp's nest' - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12162317/PETER-HITCHENS-accept-lockdown-like-burning-home-destroy-wasps-nest.html Laura Dodsworth, “CofE's Road to Davos Moment” - https://lauradodsworth.substack.com/p/the-church-of-englands-road-to-davos Pride flag on The Chosen - https://www.dailywire.com/news/the-chosen-defends-pride-flag-spotted-on-set-let-the-show-speak-for-itself https://twitter.com/JonnyRoot_/status/1663574950232625152 Notices:Join our Irreverend Telegram group: https://t.me/irreverendpodFind links to our episodes, social media accounts and ways to support us at https://www.irreverendpod.com!Thursday Circles: http://thursdaycircle.comJamie's Good Things Substack: https://jamiefranklin.substack.comIrreverend Sermon Audio: https://irreverendsermonaudio.buzzsprout.comSupport the show

Former MEP Alex Phillips kicks off todays show as we delve into the mornings headlines as Prime Minister Sunak pledges two more barges holding 1,000 migrants will be in place within months, vows Rishi Sunak and despite growing Brexit woes amongst remainers the UK has defied Brexit fears by topping Europe for finance investing. Director for the Centre For Migration And Economic Prosperity Steven Woolfe joins shortly to discuss further the nation's migration crisis as a survey finds that half of young Albanians want to come to Britain despite risks of crossing the channel. Author of “A State of Fear: How the UK government weaponised fear during the Covid-19 pandemic” Laura Dodsworth returns for her weekly takedown of the top headlines from clown world as a new report finds the 'benefits'; of lockdown were ‘a drop in the bucket compared to the costs', we also ask why Anglo-Saxons aren't real according to Cambridge in an effort to fight ‘nationalism'. Conservative MP For Stoke On Trent North Jonathan Gullis returns to the home of common sense to provide his view on Sunaks plans to defy the House of Lords as net migration continues to soar, Founder of UsForThem Molly Kingsley joins Mike to discuss her front page story in The Telegraph this morning for being cast as an extremist during lockdown, and Andrew Whitmarsh from the D-Day Museum in Portsmouth closes the show to commemorate the fallen veterans who fought for our freedom during the second world war. All that and so much more, so tune in! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

GUEST OVERVIEW: The same themes run through everything Laura Dodsworth does: an exploration of people, our lives and our place in the world and telling the untold story with integrity. Her recent focus on fear follows a trajectory of interest in the taboo and what makes us who we are. Laura's books include Bare Reality: 100 women, their breasts, their stories, Manhood: The Bare Reality and Womanhood. Her new book Free Your Mind: The new world of manipulation and how to resist will be published July 2023.

Today I'm speaking to Laura Dodsworth, author of the ‘A State of Fear: How the UK government weaponised fear during the Covid-19 pandemic.' We discussed how fear was used during the pandemic to influence decision-making in government and manipulate us! She breaks down exactly how they did it…this is an interview you don't want to miss! Laura's book 'A State of Fear': https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/57504035-a-state-of-fear  For a bit more from us join our Stay Free Community here: https://russellbrand.locals.com/ Come to my festival COMMUNITY - https://www.russellbrand.com/community-2023/ NEW MERCH! https://stuff.russellbrand.com/

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I welcome this week the behavioural scientist Patrick Fagan, described by comedian David Mitchell as a "Mother Superior in nipple tassels".He's also a former Cambridge Analytica man, if your minds can take you back to that scandal and time in history. Patrick is the author of Hooked whose by-line is 'Why cute sells and other marketing magic we just can't resist.And by the way, he is soon to publish a new book Free Your Mind: The New World of Manipulation and How to Resist It in collaboration with Laura Dodsworth.You'll pick up some old references in this conversation to our former PM (which one you may reasonably ask?!) Boris Johnson here as this episode was recorded before he toppled. That aside, all the chat is super relevant.Show notesMagic and creativityPioneering work as lead psychologist at Cambridge AnalyticaWhat factors influence political preference?Status quo bias and fear of changePatrick's book: the 10 psychological principles for crafting effective communications in 3 categoriesGrab attentionGet people to think about your messageInfluence behaviourWhy do we get dressed?Unintended consequencesWhy we need to take care with nudgesSubscribe for more hereFollow me on TwitterPodcast music: Tamsin Waley-Cohen's Mendelssohn's violin concerto

Leader of the Social Democratic Party William Clouston kicks off today's show to discuss the morning's top headlines as civil servants demand a four-day working week without losing any pay. Former MEP Rupert Lowe joins shortly after to discuss the ongoing migrant crisis as Albanians crossing channel to UK in small boats plummets after launch of removal scheme. Medical director of Rutherford cancer centres Professor Karol Sikora returns to the independent republic as Britain suffers cancer crisis after pandemic prioritised covid over treatment. Author and journalist Laura Dodsworth returns for her weekly takedown of the headlines from clown world as Joe Biden announces his intention to run in the 2024 presidential election. Lance Forman visits mike in the studio to discuss the king's coronation and Jake Wallis Simons from the Jewish chronicle closes the show to discuss his recent revelation the “antisemitic” letter from Diane Abbott's own email account had been sent twice to the Observer a week before it was published raising new questions about her claims that it was just a “draft”. All that and so much more, so tune in! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Former MEP Ben Habib kicks off today's show to discuss the morning's top headlines as eco zealots from just stop oil attacked snooker last night, we delve into lawless Britain as the government crackdown on knife possession, and the ever increasing cost of the housing of migrants in this country. Political reporter from the Scottish express David walker joins shortly after as SNP treasurer colin Beattie is arrested by police investigating party's finances. Chairman of the police and crime committee Susan hall am returns to the independent republic to continue the discussion on lawless Britain as well as Sadiq khan who is to face a high court challenge over his ULEZ expansion plans. Author and journalist Laura Dodsworth returns for her weekly takedown of the top headlines from clown world and food critic for the telegraph to discuss the royal family's plans for a French quiche featuring spinach, broad beans, cheese and tarragon will form the centrepiece of street parties across Britain . All that and so much more, so tune in! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In the second of this two-part lockdown retrospective, your co-pilots welcome back onto the rocket some of their heroes from the pandemic, those they feel that have spoken out against the mainstream.Previous stowaways Sir Graham Brady, Professor Pat Price, Laura Dodsworth, Lord David Frost, Luke Johnson, Lord Jonathan Sumption and the infamous 'George' all strap in to share where they were in March 2020, reveal what they think the collateral damage has been, as well as how they think historians will remember it.And co-pilots Pearson and Halligan delve into the rocket's bulging mail bag once more to share listeners' own retrospectives from the lockdown.Read more from Liam: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/authors/liam-halligan/ |Read more from Allison: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/authors/a/ak-ao/allison-pearson/ |Listen to Ukraine: The Latest: www.playpodca.st/ukraine|Need help subscribing or reviewing? Learn more about podcasts here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/radio/podcasts/podcast-can-find-best-ones-listen/ |Email: planetnormal@telegraph.co.uk |For 30 days' free access to The Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/normal |See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Former government adviser Leon Emirali kicks off todays show to discuss another day of Lockdown Files as we find out MPs who criticised lockdowns were placed on secret red list, and former Health Secretary Matt Hancock hoped to offer Emmanuel Macron ‘spare' intensive care beds in Britain, despite increasing levels of the virus. As Rishi Sunak announces his plans to set an annual cap on the number of refugees entering the UK, we speak to Conservative MP Jonathan Gullis live from College Green to get his thoughts on the Prime Minister's initiative and how the government has handled the migrant crisis until now. Laura Dodsworth returns to The Independent Republic for her weekly lowdown on the top headlines from clown world and former police officer Norman Brennan closes the show to discuss the sentencing of Wayne Couzens who has bee sentenced to 19 months in prison for exposing himself on three occasions - one of those was just days before he killed Sarah Everard, we also get Normans thoughts on the parole hearing for notorious criminal Charles Bronson. All that and so much more, so tune in! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Writer and sociologist Professor Frank Furedi kicks off today's show to discuss The Queen's service and how she enriched our society and culture here at home and around the world throughout her 70 year reign and how that may be under threat to growing concerns that multiculturalism is failing in this country. Royal Historian Elizabeth Norton joins shortly after to examine what King Charles III will have to do in order to ensure his services as reigning monarch becomes something more than a filler role. Lee Anderson MP returns to The Independent Republic to help us understand what Liz Truss should have at the top of her priority list now parliament is set to reconvene after the 10 days of mourning for her majesty, Mayor of Leicester Sir Peter Soulsby joins shortly after to discuss what he plans to do to alleviate the violence on the streets of Leicester as religious tensions rise between Hindus and Muslims, and Laura Dodsworth closes the show with her weekly lowdown of the headlines you may have missed; from censorship around Andrew Tate, Biden claiming that the Pandemic is over in the US, and the horrific story about a 22-year-old Iranian woman who died after being arrested over a strict hijab law. All that and so much more, so tune in! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Leader of Greater London Authority Conservatives Susan Hall kicks off todays show to discuss why the country needs to return to the office, and the failings of London Mayor Sadiq Khan, Travel Editor of The Sun Lisa Minot joins shortly after yo shed light on planned rail strikes across the country during the jubilee weekend. Author and journalist Laura Dodsworth returns to The Independent Republic for her weekly takedown of the headlines dominating clown world as our Union Flag displays for Platinum Jubilee trigger the woke activists, and Former Foreign Correspondent for Channel 4 News and NBC & Author of Every Breath You Take: China's New Tyranny Ian Williams closes the show to discuss his recent trip to Taiwan hours after Joe Biden vows US will defend Taiwan if China invades. All that and so much mores tune in! See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Associate Editor of The Spectator Rod Liddle kicks off today's show to discuss the top contenders for Keir Starmer's replacement, and Emmanuel Macron's latest invitation for Britain to join an alternative' European Political Community, and we delve into the SDPs recent success in the local elections to many peoples surprise. Head of Political Economy Dr Kristian Niemietz joins shortly after to discuss why NHS workers are being told Microaggressions are as bad as overt hatred. Laura Dodsworth returns to The Independent Republic to discuss the latest headlines from Clown World and Travel Editor for The Independent Simon Calder closes the show to discuss the continued travel chaos ongoing within British airports as passport renewals face a heavy backlog. All that and so much more so tune in! See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

Laura Dodsworth, author of the fantastic book: "A State of Fear: How the UK government weaponised fear during the Covid-19 pandemic" joins the show to discuss masks and how global governments used fear to ensure compliance with mandates. You can find Laura’s Substack here and her incredibly important book here. You can also follow her on Twitter here.The podcast is also available through Apple Podcasts and Spotify.Full transcript is available from the web version of Substack.Ian Miller (00:00):Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of the unasked podcast. We've got another very special guest today. Her name's Laura Dodsworth she's the author of the book, a state of fear, and she writes the Laura Dodsworth Substack. Everybody should go check that out. But so Laura, welcome. Thank you so much for taking the time to do this.Laura Dodsworth (00:17):Oh, thank you for having me. I can't think of a better podcast really you know, fit wise for me. So it's fantastic. I loved your book.Ian Miller (00:26):Yeah. Well, thank you. And I, I really enjoyed speaking with you, so I'm glad we're getting to do this again. My, my first question for you was kind of about your initial reaction to it. And, and you wrote about it in the book that the virus you were initially seemingly were a little concern because it's something new you weren't familiar with and, but you kind of seemed a little bit more, fairly measured in your response, but then when Boris Johnson gave his speech saying everybody needs to stay home, we're locking down. That's you know, we're moving in that direction in terms of policy, it seemed like you kind of reacted a bit more viscerally. So why do you think it was that his speech in particular kind of do that way? Maybe even more so than the virus did?Laura Dodsworth (01:06):Mm, yeah, isn't it funny? I think that there was just a lot of fear in the air and really everybody was subjected to some fears. It's just which fears you yourself are susceptible to. Now, I did have some fear about the virus and, you know, I remember up on tined food, I'm a, a single parent. And I thought, well, if I'm, if I'm terribly ill, how will my children cook? Because we were being told we couldn't leave the house at all. Mm-Hmm . And so the sort of normal recourse to help like family and friends wouldn't be available. So I had some nerves and my children still tease me about the fact that I asked them to wash hands when they came indoors for the first couple of weeks. . But my my approach is often to sort of deep dive and research and, and look things up for myself.Laura Dodsworth (01:56):And from very early, I was reading up on different epidemiologists and scientists, views of the virus. So rather a lot of unknowns at the beginning, there were also very respected voices urging caution on the IFFR for instance professor Johnny and Artis and contextualizing epidemics and pandemics. And I don't think I had an out of scale fear of it. And you see here in the UK, the initial response was that we would cocoon the elderly and a certain amount of herd immunity would build up. And then there was this sudden U-turn and I think I found the U-turn discombobulating. I just couldn't believe the address to the nation. On the 23rd of March, it was very stern. It was really going for a wartime vibe, you know, war on a war, on a virus. And for some reason I fast forwarded mentally very quickly, not that night, but very quickly into what the consequences could be.Laura Dodsworth (03:06):And to be honest, watching those fears become fulfilled, you know, to see them on furl over time has been quite horrific. So the longer lot I went on it was, it was obvious that we would have high inflation because we were quantitative easing our way through this. I was surprised that people were so adamant that children were resilient and children would be okay, and shutting schools and masking children would be fine because clearly it hasn't been. And I felt very frightened about the consequences of the very extreme, absolutely unprecedented actions we were taking. I think what confounded that as well was, as soon as you stepped outside your, your daily allowed exercise, people were really different with each other, just, you know, where I live just semi country side. They would hop to the side of country lanes or pavements to avoid each other.Laura Dodsworth (04:06):And it, it created that additional fear in the air. So for me, the fear wasn't of the virus, I thought it was strange that people were so frightened of a virus out in the open. For me, the fear was how easily fear was communicated and how manipulated people could be and what the effect of lockdown would be. And I did, I did feel it viscerally that first night of the speech. I had that freeze response. I felt everything drained from my body. It was, it was a very, very wobbly, shaky feeling. I've always thought I've got the most useless fear response. this is not the first time this has happened to me, that I drain and become, become useless. And interestingly, there is a lot of shame with this fear response because you know, it's people feel like they should have been able to run away or, or to fight, I guess I'm a freezer.Ian Miller (05:03):Hmm. Did you also mentioned in the book about a section about his body language during that speech, and did you know, is that something that you noticed as well that he, it, you know, I think it was phrased something like that. It was almost like a hostage situation. Was that something that you noticed when you were watching it or was that something that just kind of came up with in conversations with people?Laura Dodsworth (05:24):No. The whole thing felt completely weird to me and it threw me and it is part of what scared me. His words about the virus did not scare me the extreme semi Churchillian and authoritarian language SC me. And it was that combined with this very staccato, peculiar body language, there was something about it that just felt off. And that's why I thought it would be a good place to start the book. So I consulted with forensic psychologists, somebody who interviews people who have lied to the authorities and tried to cover their traces and somebody who also works with body language to see what they made of it. And actually it's more that their professional opinions concurred with the feeling that I'd had that is his body language. Wasn't congruent with his words. There are parts when he's more relaxed, cause he, he appears to believe what he's saying. And there are parts where he's not comfortable with what he's saying at all, what that means exactly. Who knows whether he was lying, whether he just felt uncomfortable, maybe with delivering some very bad news to the nation. This is a man who likes to be liked and to deliver the news about lockdown would be a very difficult message for any statesman.Ian Miller (06:45):Yeah, it's interesting. And it's, it's one of those like important moments of history and, and it's really important I think, to kind of go back and look and see and what they were thinking and saying at the time and how they, how they were saying it. Another thing I think that we, we kind of both bring up a lot is what a poor job the media has done with with regards to COVID. And, and I know you wrote about it, how they kind of gave a lot of softball questions to, to Boris Johnson or to other health leaders which was definitely the case of the United States as well with certain governors that were not Ron DeSantis from Florida. So why do you think that that was a consistent feature across both countries? Like what, what was it about the journalism profession that was so ready and willing to go along with, with lockdowns and all these other policies?Laura Dodsworth (07:29):Oh, it was just so depressing. I had to stop watching the press briefings, cause I felt like shouting at the TV to, you know, tell the journalists off for not asking more probing questions. We had questions like, do you think we'll be able to have Christmas? Or can we hug our relatives? It was truly pathetic. all the questioning came from within the framework, not outside of the framework. So things like the, you know, the, the assumption to the model weren't challenged, the ingests were never questioned the data wasn't questioned. The presumptions weren't questioned. The only question was, are we doing enough? Are we doing it early enough? Hard enough, soon enough. I think that there are it's multifactorial. There are probably a number of reasons for this. I think activists, journalism is a real problem. The response to COVID has been very partisan among journalists.Laura Dodsworth (08:25):You know, if Trump said something had to be wrong, you know, orange man, bad wrong. And here, you know, there's also a lot of Tory bashing. So anybody who doesn't like the conservatives or didn't like Brexit might taking opposing position and give their conservatives a hard time for their handling. Also, you know, it was a pandemic, things were happening fast. There isn't a lot of time in newsrooms to consider things carefully. It's been obvious to me as well that some journalists aren't very Nuer or scientifically minded. Now I'm not saying that I'm especially Nuer or scientifically minded. I had to work harder to it. And where I didn't understand, I I've asked maths with friends to help me with, with stuff. And I think there's a big problem about click bait, journalism fear, fear cells, better than sex. It turns out, and there is a way in which remuneration is very, at least subtly connected to those clicks. There is one there's one broad sheet journalist I interviewed anonymously who explained that there remuneration is linked to the success of their articles. So, you know, the most lurid headline, the most fear driven headline will also generate the most clicks and views. And then journalists are compensated for that. Everybody likes their likes on, on Twitter. You know, Twitter's an important habitat for journalists too. And you'll see that you'll see broadcasting, print, journalists break their thoughts and stories on Twitter.Ian Miller (10:04):Yeah.Laura Dodsworth (10:05):So I think, I think it's multifactorial and, and there's another really important aspect, which is off com that's the the regulator for broadcast media here to guidance saying that broadcast journalists should be careful not to go against the government advice cause it might create public harm.Ian Miller (10:29):It's, it's crazy. It, it's insane to think about that. That a regulator was telling journalists not to question the government. I mean, that's just mind boing. It's, that's literally their whole job, you know, it's seemingly that's their whole job. But you, you mentioned how the fear seems to sell and, and that was a section I really enjoyed of your book was where there's a lot of these quotes that you, you bring up from the media with these kind of outrageous, at least looking back, they're outrageous headlines that are very obviously fear driven. And it, it seemed like, and let me know if I'm wrong, but it seemed like the vast majority of people, especially in the UK and in the us bought into that would you have, have expected that people would buy it pre COVID or were you surprised that people weren't skeptical? I, I mean, I, my personal sense as an outsider is that a lot of, you know, Britain, there's a lot of skepticism towards these things, but it seemed like that kind of went away recently.Laura Dodsworth (11:17):Oh no, I think we've got a very, he healthy, skeptical community here. I'm gonna have to say, but I think you can't underestimate something like this off con guidance. You know, it really chilled the inclination of the media to explore theories. And the broadcast media is very important and also big tech were sensory views that went against the world health organization or governments. And we gotta to remember that their positions changed on things. Now, if you know, social media like say YouTube or Twitter, we we're going to hold up the world health organization view at any one given time think about things they said during this pandemic, there's no human to human transmission. That's one thing world health organization said or it didn't originate from a lab or it's not airborne. Well, you know, the, the advice and the, the thoughts change constantly.Laura Dodsworth (12:08):So it's very, you know, you have to have debate and allow questions. And this is, this is part of, of science to, to ask questions and challenge hypotheses. There shouldn't be a faith in it. You know, the situation we had here is where the, the state broadcast or the BBC and other broadcasters couldn't really challenge the state orthodoxy because of off con guidance. So that's, you know, that's part of the, the media landscape. Now publications, which have had a, a good epidemic were probably more skeptical, such as the Telegraph and the spectator. They've both seen their subscriptions grow substantially during this time. And they, they have online subscriptions as well. They have a subscription model, which personally I, I'm a really big fan of, you know, you're gonna pay for your news one way or the other you're gonna pay via ads or sponsorship or the sale of your data, or you're gonna pay through individual copy sales or subscription.Laura Dodsworth (13:05):I think subscription is a really good model for providing sound journalism. So we have had a, a mix and, you know, that chapter referring to my book that is called headlines. So it's really some of the very worst examples. It, I mean, it was horrific in a way, keeping the tally of it through the year. People were told to be frightened of literally everything from ice cream to semen. There wasn't anything you couldn't catch COVID from. And there wasn't any aspect of your health that could, it could damage. I dunno how much people believed it all. I, I mean, I really don't know in my own little bubble, I, I brought quite a lot of skepticism to it, but I think there's something about Britain, you know, where we're definitely at home of liberal thought and I nation, and I, I think there's actually been a lot of pushback in this country about things such as vaccine mandates, for instance, and vaccine passports, a very successful political pushback and some political rebellion. And I think overall there has been a good amount of skepticism, but it's very difficult to know in your own bubble. And of course, this is one aspect of, of lockdown where atomized we talk, you know, during those really crucial peak times, we didn't talk to other people as much in real life. Whereas you might settle some ideas in the par or, you know, by the water cooler at work. We were all at home and really engaging with our screens a lot more.Ian Miller (14:30):Mm-Hmm . Yeah. and so you, you brought up kind of the vaccine mandates and, and that there was a little bit, it, more of a success successful pushback. And I did want to ask you about that as well, because you, you recently wrote a SubT stack kind of to talking about how masks were essentially the idea was to soften the public up for plan B, which was essentially vaccine passports among other things. But it seemed like they, you know, were, were, do you think that they were successful in that attempt to soften people up, but, or did, were they, were the people willing to kind of fight back against, was that like a bridge too far for them at that point?Laura Dodsworth (15:03):No people dawned their masks again. See, that was very interesting. That's some, somebody who works on a COVID task force within government contacted me to say they would like to talk to me anonymously about developments and they, they shared some documents with me and we talked, and that was a report of that conversation really. And the reason those contacted me is I'd written about this already in the Telegraph, one of our national newspapers, when the government brought out its its winter plan, it had plan a and plan B. And for me it was obvious that the, the whole point of these plans were to, to lay the groundwork for what they really want to do. And the government advice were saying, yes, that's correct. Masks have been reintroduced to soften you up for the next stage. It's it's like a, you know, a form of psychological technique.Laura Dodsworth (16:01):And the interesting thing about that person that contacted me and really some of the most severe criticism of the government is it has come from government advisors. You know, some, some quite shocking accusations, really. I mean, one of the, one of the behavioral psychologists who spoke to Mely anonymously did warn about creeping authoritarianism in government, that the pandemic can be used to grab power and drive things through that wouldn't happen otherwise. And another told me that psychology is, is a, is a weapon without a psychology without vaccine psychology is your best weapon and said, psychology has had a really good epidemic actually. And another told me that the use of fear had been dystopian. And I think this is part of the reason that the works and it's had such a good audience it's because there are people who are close to government who report with the techniques with the psychological with the games, with the behavioral psychology approach. And that's why they wanted to talk to me anonymously to, to help expose it.Ian Miller (17:12):Yeah. Well, I I'm, I'm glad that they did because it is, I think it's very, very important, but you know, I, I, I focus a lot on mass. We're just kind of talking about it. And so I wanted to, to get your thoughts, you know, what was, what did you think of mass as the mandates started to roll out in the UK and especially there, because I feel like early on maybe even more so than the us, a lot of the, the kind of health leaders in the UK were downplaying masks and saying that they weren't going to make a difference and what gonna work.Laura Dodsworth (17:41):Oh, that's exactly right. I mean, you had Fauci, didn't you say that masks wouldn't actually prevent transmission. They might just stop a few droplets. And we had the, the, the same here from multiple public health officials, senior public health officials. And then there was this U-turn wasn't there. Now, one of the MPS I interviewed for the book told me that the sec of state for health and social care told the MP that masks were introduced to encourage confidence when the first lockdown ended. The problem was that the high street didn't bounce back. When the lockdown ended, people didn't go and hit the shops and hit the high street in the way the government had expected. And so masks were supposedly reportedly introduced as a way to give people confidence. The problem is they turned people into walking billboards for danger, and it became obvious that masks offer another kind of signal known a select committee hearing.Laura Dodsworth (18:48):That's when MPS get to ask experts for their almost like witness statements for their opinions David Halpin, who is the head of the behavioral insights team, that's the nudge unit referred to masks as being a signal that masks be useful as a signal, as well as the underlying evidence that they reduced transmission. I think it's really important to note that there are people in government ministers, the head of the nudge unit and behavioral psychologists science for my book who referred to masks primarily as serving the purpose of being a signal. Now, how did I feel about it? I hated it. I couldn't actually believe that the uptake was as high as it was mm-hmm cause it was clear that there wasn't any new scientific evidence to justify the use of cloth and surgical masks in the community to reduce transmission. And I think it's incredibly onerous to make a law, to compel people, to dress a certain way without evidence, because really without evidence, it is just a form of dress.Laura Dodsworth (19:54):It's not PPE mm-hmm . And I think over time, the symbolism of masks has really changed while they were signals to indicate that we were in a pandemic, they've become something else. It's, it's fading now it's receding now, but they've really become signals of morale and virtue, you know, good compliant, virtuous people wear masks, your mask shows you care for other people. And if you don't wear a mask, what does that mean? That you don't care? And so that's, that's the thought behind it. Now, there also was quite a lot of shaming attached to masks. Don't CRE to Dick who's the head of the, the met police said that police wouldn't be enforcing the mask mandates and shops. And instead she was trusting on the public to shame each other for not own masks. Now in this country, we did actually have exemptions.Laura Dodsworth (20:45):For instance, let's say you had a physical disability that might prevent you from wearing a mask or even if the idea of wearing a mask could cause you significant stress. You didn't have to wear one. So you can imagine that could in, that could include perhaps people who have been raped, who might commonly have a problem with stomach covering the mouth or veterans with post-traumatic stress to I've spoken to two veterans with PTSD that make masks very difficult. There's lots of reasons people could have for not wearing a mask. So we always had exemptions. So the idea that we had the head of London police saying she wanted the public to shame each other was quite staggering. Going back to, again, the head of the UK's nudge unit, he also talked about the, that the British public would do most of the heavy lifting in socially enforcing masks. And this is all part of the behavioral psychology approach to use that kind of herd mentality so that we are really policing each other and making, you know, enforcing the mask querying.Ian Miller (21:45):Yeah. And, and the nudge unit thing I wanted to, to ask you about as well, because, you know, I think in the us, most people listeners are probably in the us. That's not something that we've been familiar with. I mean, I've read about it obviously because of your book and, and other sources, but you know, can you explain to people what exactly the nudge unit is and, and how they've been operating during the pandemic?Laura Dodsworth (22:07):Yes. Sure. So you will also have nudge in the us, you do, you just don't have something called a nudge unit. you need to find out where your nudges are lodged within government, because nudge is really part of how governments do their business now. So the nudge unit is the col political term for the behavioral insights team. And that was set up in the UK in, oh, I'm gonna get the date right now. I hope 2011 under the David Cameron department. And originally it was part of strategy and policy. And then it spun out to become its own unit. And it was one third owned by the government. It's one third by an organization called nester and one third by the nudge unit directors. So that's lovely set up a expense, but it's ended up making some of them really quite rich and the idea behind behavioral psychology and nudge is that it's all about helping us to become better people and model citizens without having to resort to new laws.Laura Dodsworth (23:17):In fact, there's a great quote from cast Einstein, who you probably have heard of as he, he held from your side of the pond mm-hmm and he said, let think I got the quote just here. Yes. So Kas Einstein is a famous behavioral psychologist, scientist. He's a famous behavioral scientist. And he said by knowing how people think we can make it easier for them to choose what is best for them, their families and society. So isn't it great. There are people who know what's best for you. Now, cast Einstein was quite close to the Obama administration. I believe he still works for the us government now. So behavior, the behavioral insights team of it exported their company around the world. They have offices around the world, but other, other countries too, have nudge units embedded in government. And even beyond the nudge unit, there are behavioral scientists in other government departments too. I believe there are 54 in the treasury, in the UK governments and also in government agencies, you know such as the UK HSA and also the NHS in the cabinet office itself, they're everywhere.Ian Miller (24:34):Hmm. That's in, it's very interesting and it's kind of scary and that's, that's, I also wanted to, to get your thoughts on that because you know, do you think that this is something that will, the public will be more aware of now? I mean, it it's obviously been around for 10 years or a little more, but you know, this, it feels like this was the most concerted effort to, to deploy that kind of behavioral psychology to get people to comply with, with lockdowns and mandates. So do you think the population will be more aware of it and more skeptical towards these kinds of, of ideas now? Or is it gonna be continued and, you know, accepted going forward?Laura Dodsworth (25:06):I think it's interesting that well, I do, I do think, I like to think, I hope that my book has moved the dial. I mean, it was out early, it was out in may 21, and it was really important to me to, I mean, in a way, lay ego aside and get it out early so that it would move the dial because I, I could have turned out a more, a more complete and more perfect book had waited another year, but I really wanted people to be aware. And they obviously are. Now there was a poll that was conducted this week in the UK by a grassroots organization called recovery. And, you know, they used a, a reputable polling company to do this with a representative sample of the British public. And they were fi they were trying to find out what people think of the COVID inquiry terms of reference.Laura Dodsworth (25:54):So the government is gonna hold an inquiry into its handling of the pandemic, but there are quite a few things missing from the terms of reference, you know, most, most famously people talking about the fact that children aren't specifically mentioned in the inquiry mean, obviously we have to look at what lockdown and school closures did specifically to children. Now, this poll by recovery found that 42% of the British public want the inquiry to consider the use of behavioral psychology in influencing public behavior. And I think that's incredible because before the I before the pandemic, the issue of nudge rarely, rarely hit the headlines. And although my books had some very favorable press and media coverage in certain outlets, it's been completely ignored by others. So it was on the Sunday times best sell list for four weeks. It's sold really well. It's had reviews from really respect to public figures, such as law assumption.Laura Dodsworth (26:55):Number of times it's been mentioned by the BBC, or I've been invited for interview zero, you know, it's, it's interesting, there's been a real I really tend to ignore nudge and the fear Mon growing on use behavioral psychology in some areas, but not in others. So the fact that 42% of British people want this specifically to be looked at in the inquiry, I think is incredibly hopeful. It's the best news I've had for ages in . However, I don't think the government will want to look at it. Cause I think the enactors are the policy, you know, that plans deliberately frighten people to make them comply with the lockdown is a really difficult charge to answer. Yeah, most people would say that frightening people beyond the scale of a threat is quite egregious. It's quite sinister, quite insidious, and it's also anti-democratic to subliminally influence people and frighten them in to doing what you want them to do. You know, furthermore, they're still nudging all the time. You know, depending how much time we got to send this interview, but there are other areas where nudge is being applied now to not just towards policy goals, to soften us up for tough, tough policies. It's incredibly convenient and effective for government rather than passing laws and having all the tricky and convenient debates.Ian Miller (28:08):Mm-Hmm , if you can get people to do what you want without having to force them to do it, it's theoretically it's better for them. And it's kind of the implications of that are really, really horrifying when you think about it in detail mm-hmm I did wanna ask you one, one more thing about kind of a data related question and it was, it was mentioned, I believe in your, in your Subec about masks making the comparison between England and Scotland and, and I've done this recently with, you know, you can post the charts showing that England without mandates is doing better than Scotland with, with mask mandates in place. And you show, you said it was, you know, essentially the trial and it showed that really matter. So how are people able to kind of continue to get away with ignoring these comparisons? It just, it feels inarguable at this point, doesn't it? Laura Dodsworth (28:56):Oh, in you'd think so. I wish I had an answer to that because literally just today there, there were calls for mask mandates to be in IED because cases are so high in England. And like you I'm thinking, excuse me, would you look at Scotland? They haven't dropped their mask mandates and they've had higher case numbers in England. Yeah. So although there might be other confounding factors, there's no clear argument in favor of masks here. It's ridiculous us. And you know, the number of cases has recently just peaked and it's peaked despite the fact that we haven't reintroduced masks or lockdowns or any other restrictions. So that kind of illusion of control that people might have been, you know, hanging onto before it's got to be dispelled by the fact that a wave has, has peaked and is declining all on its own.Ian Miller (29:51):Yep. Yeah. It's it seems so obvious, but it, it's still so hard to get people to to accept that. BecauseLaura Dodsworth (29:59):There's such vision reminders. That's the thing, because it seems to be common sense. It's covering your mouth where you breathe or you cough, you know, it feels intuitive and it feels like common sense for people. Plus it's something that they can do. It gives them the illusion of control, which is why they were introduced in the first place.Ian Miller (30:17):Yeah. But it,Laura Dodsworth (30:19):An illusion,Ian Miller (30:20):It is an illusion, but it's very hard to convince people of that. And ironically, you know, they can't use the nudge unit to convince people that it was all an illusion in the first place. Laura Dodsworth (30:28):Well, absolutely. Now I, I have had an MP say to me, do you think we need a reverse nudge plan? I said, no, I couldn't possibly agree with that. What we need is a honesty from now mm-hmm and forever not gonna happen. But the, you know, the, the problem with using fear is how you reverse from it. You do see some signs of reverse nudging now. So a little bit of challenging of the data. So while a year ago, you would not have been able to challenge or drill down on hospitalization easily, not without insight sources, which, which I had, and some journalists that the Telegraph had, and you were kind of breaking the story that the overall hospitalization figure we had was including people who were admitted hospital with COVID and had symptoms. It also included people who went to hospital with something entirely different and were tested and found to have COVID.Laura Dodsworth (31:21):And it also include people who called COVID hospital. So it's important to know about all of those subgroups people, but the reason the number was presented as one big number was for effect mm-hmm . Now what they've done this year is say, ah, but this number includes incidental hospitalization. So you have people who hospitalized with COVID and from COVID and they're different things. So this is what I'd call a little reverse, nudge, a little bit of honesty about the granular detail of the data in order to start dispelling fear, because you can't go back and say, well, we were exaggerating before.Ian Miller (31:57):Yeah. Well, do you, and do you think that part of that also was, was to show, okay, well, you know, we've had this incredible vaccination roll out huge amount of uptake. If hospitalization numbers are so high, people are gonna start doubting how well these are working and not potentially going to get a booster or a, you know, they're rolling up four shots now, or fish shots down the road. Do you think that that played a part in that as well?Laura Dodsworth (32:20):Yeah, I mean, absolutely because I think people oversold what the, what the vaccines could do and were four at the beginning which I think is very unfortunate. There was never any evidence in the trial data that they would stop death or reduce transmission. Those were hopes there was an evidence. But you know, indeed if they have reduced severity of symptoms and reduced hospitalization, then that has to be shown in the figures. Otherwise it would look like it hadn't worked. So you're right. The data has to correspond, although have been enormous amounts of inconsistencies in data at various times.Ian Miller (32:57):Yeah. looking at, at the UK's reports on those occasionally it's it's you can see there's a shift when they started putting in a little add-on there saying, you know, we we've calculated vaccine efficacy ourselves. So look at our numbers. Don't go look at the rates that we've posted down further on. Those are those can't be interpreted properly. That that was very entertaining. Well,Laura Dodsworth (33:16):I mean, that, that is difficult because the HSA has published really transparent data about vaccine efficacy. And it's quite hard to know what it means. Cuz for instance, at the moment, if you look at the report, it would appear that the triple vaccinated are much more likely to be effective COVID than the UN vaccinated. But this is, it depends which population estimate you use. Cause there are different ways of estimating the overall population. And so that's what all those disclaimers are about. I would have personally, no idea mm-hmm which population estimate is the right one to use and therefore what it shows about vaccine efficacy.Ian Miller (33:52):Yeah. It's it is a really hard question to answer. I don't think we'll ever get a, a perfect answer and it might be totally different between different populations even as well. So but I wanted to ask you as well you know, the UK has pretty much dropped almost every restriction and, and it kind of seemed like it happened pretty quickly after going from, you know, mass mandate or softening up to plan B to almost essentially back to normal, just a matter of months. Mm-Hmm so do you think that kind of Boris Johnson's political issues that happened around that timeframe that kind of came up the party gate, things like that, did that play a part in it? You think?Laura Dodsworth (34:26):Yes. Two things party gate was an absolute gift. I mean, nobody E everybody likes fair play don't they, nobody likes hypocrisy. So the idea that while people were suffering really, really strict restrictions, which came enormous personal that the number 10 Downing street was hosting parties was so unpalatable and that had to has in the end of the restrictions here, but also Omicron. So although our own public health officials didn't want to concur with the view coming out South Africa, that it was milder and needing to feel of hospitalizations. Ultimately it has proven to be milder and like, so I think it's the combined effective party gate massive gift and on micron.Ian Miller (35:14):Yeah. Well, I guess we have one thing to be grateful for with being hypocritical about not follow our own rules. So what, what's the end game for kind of the opposite side of the coin, which is countries like, you know, Australia, New Zealand and others, you know, Chinas and these incredibly strict lockdowns now and they're, they seemingly are okay with having kind of endless pandemic policies. You know, what, what do you think is the end game for those places?Laura Dodsworth (35:40):They'll have to reverse out of it because it's not sustainable. The, the social, the health, the economic destruction can't be, can't be sustained. You can't keep countries lodge down. I think, you know, zero, zero, that zero COVID is being revealed as the absolute nightmare that it was, it was always going to be cause funny people don't talk about Sweden much anymore. Do they? Yeah. You know, Sweden was in the news all the time, all the time when they were branching out on their own and following existing pandemic policy. But look how well it's worked out for Sweden.Ian Miller (36:19):Yep. That'sLaura Dodsworth (36:20):Good. So yeah, I, I, I I'd say it can't be sustainable because if it is all that will be all that will remain is to salt the earth in those countries.Ian Miller (36:28):Yeah. I was gonna say that's exa and that I listened to an interview with one of the Swedish epidemiologists at the time who was saying, you can't sustain these policies forever in democracy. You just, you can't do it. But some, some, some places are still trying. Your latest sub was about something other than COVID, which I think is, is also good to have reminders of there are other issues in the world.Laura Dodsworth (36:50): andIan Miller (36:51):, it was kind of about how ignoring biology is, is impacting the NHS in a real way in, in, and and it's become a hot topic here in the us as well with the we've had this, the, the transgender swimmer that has been swimming in these, in female sports competitions. So I wanted to ask what you think about this topic and you know, where does it go from here with these kinds of policies?Laura Dodsworth (37:12):Mm, well, it's been quite hot topic in the UK for several years because the conservative government proposed to reform the gender a recognition act, which would mean that somebody would change their gender just on self identification. They wouldn't need to go before a medical panel or have a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. They certainly wouldn't need to embark on any kind of medical treatments. And there have been concerns that that would impact single sex spaces and single sex rights and the most obvious examples of sport. Like your you're just saying with Leah Thomas also prisons, we have had a transgender male sexually assault women in a, in a woman's prison here in England. But also, you know, this, this issue with the NHS is just arisen and it's kind of incredible really because the NHS waiting list has gone from 4.2, 4 million, the outset of the pandemic to 6.1 million in January, 2022.Laura Dodsworth (38:04):So the NHS has got some big problems on its hands and with the hidden backlog, that's going to grow millions more that's people who avoided elective outpatients or elective procedures. So it was just astonishing to find out that thanks to advice from the society of radiographers that some hospital trusts are asking everybody man, or woman, if they could be pregnant before they have cancer treatment or scans involve radio. Now, obviously it's essential to protect unborn babies from radiography. You know, patient safety is paramount, but it's normally quite obvious whether somebody could be pregnant or not based upon their sex. And there will be times when it's not in the case of say a pregnant trans man, but these case are quite rare. And you would think that in those cases, a question might suffice or even referring to the patient notes. But in fact, the NHS doesn't record biological sex anymore.Laura Dodsworth (39:06):It records gender identity, and it could record both, but it's not it's recording gender identity. So it just seems incredible that where, you know, in the exact place where biological facts and data are really important, they're not being recorded. So my article was to draw attention to that. We've got the NHS asking very silly questions of elderly men, whether they're pregnant before they have an x-ray. And at the same time you know, journalists are asking politicians here, you know, what's a woman, what's a man because they hot topic and some of foundering unable to answer. So we've got the NHS asking silly question and politicians completely unable to answer them.Ian Miller (40:00):Yeah. I mean, do you think that this continues just to get worse as far as these, these kinds of obvi things that seem very obvious that don't make sense? Is that just gonna get worse or is it, do you think that there will be some pushback and get better?Laura Dodsworth (40:14):Oh, there's lots of pushback. And there has been, there has been here for a while. So I think ultimately truth always wins. Sometimes it just takes time, you know accommodating people's identity and rights is one thing, but denying biological reality is ultimately going to be futile. And you know, it's a bit like zero COVID, it's not, it's not gonna work long term. I don't think.Ian Miller (40:44):Hmm. I hope you're right. And so my last question for you is, is back to COVID because, you know, what else are we gonna talk about at the end of the day so I just wanted to, to get your idea of the future of pandemic policy in the U. Okay. And, you know, specifically with COVID and or if they're a future pandemic. So, you know, I mean, do you think mass vaccine passports that they, that there's the political capital for them to come back there at some point? Or are they gone permanently and then, you know, down the road there's another pandemic or severe flu or something like that will lock downs become kind of a permanent feature now of societies.Laura Dodsworth (41:18):Yeah. I think there's a real danger that some people would exert muscle memory and want to go back into lockdown and also masks. And I just pray that the inquiry will be independent, will be robust and dispel any remaining ideas that they're scientifically proven. I think that the vaccine passport isn't going anywhere, it's just quiet at the moment because Saed, Jat made a speech at a digital transformation summit and he was talking about the NHS app and saying, it's been, you know, it was the most downloaded free iPhone app in England. And, and that would've been unthinkable just, you know, just a little while ago, couple of years ago now he said he wants to keep the momentum going. And he would like by March 20, 24 for 75% of adults to have the NHS app. So he actually said he wants the app to be life, not just for COVID now using the app as a way of interacting with the NHS.Laura Dodsworth (42:28):I remain to be convinced whether it's a good thing or a bad thing. I haven't looked at that. And it doesn't mean it's the same past sports being required for entry into civic, social and, and economic life, but it's not actually going away. There's clearly some plan to retain it. So I think that's something to be aware of. There is at the moment, a lot of bad press right now about some of the effects of the pandemic things, which, I mean, honestly, they're, they're kind of enraging. I, I barely have words to express how I feel about what's being done to children. You know, it's coming increasing that children have got social development and language issues from having been surrounded by masks in their early years. And not having had normal social interaction and not going to school. And I, I think this has been an explosion of drugs, bullying and depression among teenagers.Laura Dodsworth (43:20):You know, I have teenage sons and I've, I've seen this for myself. So there is gonna be more and more coverage, I think about the harms of lockdown. And I hope that will make people pause for thoughts in the future, but what we've seen kind of an ideological split in people where, you know, the difference between left and right left and white wing, isn't really the main thing anymore. It's about authoritarianism and, and Liberty. And we've seen, there are a lot of people who want to lean into that sort of strong on government into the government, making decisions for them and into this authoritarian response. And that is, that is still what frightens me. It frightens me. It frightens me when I wrote the book and, and it frightens me now.Ian Miller (44:02):Yeah, well, hopefully you know, the, the inquiry and another kind of pushback will hope get, get these policies out of the, the public view of as being acceptable. You know, we gotta stop thinking of them as something that could even be tolerated at any point. Cuz like you say, the harms are tremendous Lu Laura, thank you so much for coming on the show. I really appreciate all of your input and everybody you can follow Laura on SubT stack, Laura dot SubT stack. The book is called a state of fear, how the UK government weaponized fear during the COVID 19 pandemic you can also follow follow Laura on Twitter at at bear reality. And again, and thank you so much Laura for doing this. This was great.Laura Dodsworth (44:39):Oh, it's an absolute pleasure. Thanks for having me. This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit ianmsc.substack.com/subscribe

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