Unveiling Mormonism

Note: Much of the content in this podcast can be found in show participant Ross Anderson's book Understanding the Book of MormonThe Book of Mormon claims to be an ancient scripture that tells the story of God's people in the American continent.LDS challenge: “Either the Book of Mormon is what the Prophet Joseph said it is, or this Church and its founder are false, a deception from the first instance onward…Joseph must be accepted either as a prophet of God or else as a charlatan of the first order…” (Jeffrey R. Holland, “Christ and the New Covenant,” quoted in Ensign, September 2002, 14)To accept BoM is to accept JS as a prophet, and everything that he stands for.The Book of Mormon claims can be / should be tested. 1 Thess 5:21 “Test everything that is said. Hold on to what is good.”ArchaeologyBoM claims to be an ancient record of American continentFeaturing great cities, people at warArchaeology has failed to unearth any concrete evidence for BoMInscriptional evidence → names carved into stone monumentsExample: Sennacherib / Assyrians = names of Israel's kingsNo BoM name every foundMaterial remains → walls / foundations of ancient citiesPlenty of ancient cities in America, but none that can be linked to BoMExample: BoM describes its people using gold, silver, iron, brass, copperThe mining, smelting, and casting of metal ores requires special tools / complex processes which leave traces in the archaeological recordScholars generally agree: metallurgy not introduced into America until several centuries after the BoM story endsAnimals → BoM mentions many different kinds of animals: cattle, sheep, goats, horsesNone have been found in any archaeological setting dating to BoM timesUnlike deer, jaguar, peccary, tapir, other native speciesThe horse have never been found depicted in any of 1000s of sample of artNew world archaeology is still a young sciencePerhaps some day some artifact or inscription will be found to validate the BoMBut so far, best LDS apologists can do = create aura of plausibility based on vague similaritiesBy contrast, archaeology has repeatedly demonstrated the reliability of Bible: historically / geographicallyUse of metals as describe in Bible can be verified at many sitesA person can visit the actual cities where Bible describes Jesus or Paul travellingBritish Museum (London)Massive stone panels from ancient Ninevah → cities in Bible are recorded thereEvidence for the reliability of the Bible: “Three Reasons to Trust the Bible”DNATraditional LDS understanding - based on BoM story → native Americans are descended from ancient Jews who left Jerusalem for America around 600 BCThis is what JS taught → the most straightforward way to read the BoM textMainstream science → all native Americans are of Asian originSupported by extensive DNA sampling of American Indian populationsMany current LDS scholars claim that most NA's are of Asian descentWhile a small subset are of Semitic origin, descended from LehiIdea is = Nephite & Lamanite civilizations described in BoM made up a very small % of total population of New World during BoM timesLDS Church has acknowledged the challenges1981 BoM: identifies Lamanites as “the principle ancestors of the American Indians”2006 BoM: Lamanites “are among the ancestors of the American Indians”If BoM peoples were not alone in the Americas, it's very surprising that BoM never mentions these large populations of other peopleIn fact, no references to other peoples or nations, no accounts of Nephites evangelizing pagans, no polemics vs polytheism, idolatry, etc.LDS Church Gospel Topics Essay: Book of Mormon and DNA StudiesBible PlagiarismBoM contains extensive material in common with the BibleFirst type of shared content = simple repetition or direct quotationIncluding frequent phrases such as “it came to pass” and “verily, verily I say unto you”Second type = interpretive changes to a biblical text2 Nephi 2:18 expands on the biblical account of Eve's temptation (Gen 3:4-5)Third type = structural parallels to the BibleIncludes literary forms, common motifs, character types, etcConversion of Alma (Mos 27) has many features in common with Paul's conversion (Acts 9)Point: in many cases, Nephite writers mimic wording from the NTA doc to which they would have had no access.All of this shared content raises the Q: does common material come from independent sources?Or did JS simply copy from the Bible?Case 1 = the Sermon on the MountJesus appears in BoM - apparently in 40 days after resurrection prior to ascensionHis public address in 3 Nephi 12-14 contains much in common with Matt 5-7Case 2 = BoM contains more than 19 complete chapters in common w/IsaiahLehi's people carried a copy of OT scriptures with them → source of quoted materialSeveral lines of evidence suggest JS derived the Isaiah passages directly from KJV rather than an ancient sourceExample: biblical scholarship has advanced since KJV translationMany passages that were obscure in KJV in JS time are now more clearBut some of the misunderstandings found in the KJV are also found in BoMSuggests a direct relationship between KJV / BoMWould not have been present in BoM's quotes of Isaiah if the Isaiah text had originated in Lehi's time, as the story claimsHow would translation problems from KJV find their way into BoM?The extensive content shared between KJV & BoM - and the nature of the parallels - creates strong impression that BoM was produced AFTER the KJVOf course, LDS apologists have answers for all of these objectionsThe question is whether their answers are credibleFor loyal Mormons, the answers are convincing because they already have an existing commitment to the BoMOthers, without that grid, are not convinced that BoM passes the test--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--

Because the LDS Church claims to be led by divine revelation, major changes in doctrine are startling. If LDS prophets are led by God, one might expect current prophets to agree with previous ones. But the LDS principle of continuing revelation allows new “truths” to supersede past ones. Yet changes in LDS teachings raise the question of whether past prophets were wrong. And what will be said in 50 years about the prophets Mormons revere and obey today? With this in mind, consider some major changes in Mormon doctrine over the years.Polygamy The Book of Mormon expressly prohibits polygamy, Jacob 2:27-30: “There shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none.” The 1835 edition of the Doctrine and Covenants (Section 101) agrees: Inasmuch as this church of Christ has been reproached with the crime of fornication, and polygamy: we declare that we believe, that one man should have one wife; and one woman, but one husband, except in case of death, when either is at liberty to marry again. Yet in the 1830s, Joseph Smith began exploring the possibility of polygamy. He formally (but secretly) introduced plural marriage in 1843. The doctrine was not embraced openly until 1852, when the Mormons were safely established in Utah. For the next 40 years, polygamy was taught as a requirement for the highest levels of heaven. By the 1880s, an estimated 20-30% of Mormon families practiced polygamy.Yet polygamy was strongly rejected by the American public as a barbaric practice. The United States government applied increasingly stern measures against it. In 1887, the Edmunds-Tucker Act made polygamy a federal offense and authorized the seizure of LDS Church assets. Polygamous men were imprisoned. Families moved to Mexico and Canada, or went underground. Under pressure to preserve the Church from destruction at the hands of the United States government, LDS President Wilford Woodruff released a statement in 1890 - called “The Manifesto” - declaring his intention to submit to the laws of the land, and advising members of the Church to refrain from entering any illegal marriage. Even so, plural marriages continued to be performed in secret, until polygamy was completed forbidden by the LDS Church in 1904.Many people, out of faithfulness to Joseph Smith, continued to practice polygamy outside the official LDS Church. Known as “fundamentalists”, several close-knit polygamous communities survive across the western United States to this day. They believe that the mainstream LDS Church is apostate, while they represent original Mormonism..While plural marriage is now strictly forbidden in the LDS Church, it was never renounced as an eternal principle. The Church permits men to be married in LDS temples “for eternity” to more than one wife. In fact, the current LDS prophet, Russell M. Nelson, is eternally sealed to two women.After being a mainstay of Mormonism for 50 years, polygamy was shelved so that the LDS Church could survive. But marriage laws in the United States have changed considerably since 1890. Polygamy is no longer prosecuted as a crime. Will LDS prophets reveal that faithful Mormons should practice plural marriage again?The LDS Church's Gospel Topics Essays:Plural Marriage in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day SaintsThe Manifesto and the End of Plural MarriageRacismFor decades, men of black African descent could not hold the LDS priesthood. (In Mormonism, priesthood is the authority to administer key ordinances in God's name. No women have ever been allowed to hold this priesthood.)In the 1800s, Mormonism, like most American religions, had a mixed report card on racism. Some early Mormons were pro-slavery, some anti-slavery, and some neutral. During Joseph Smith's time, two black men were ordained to the LDS priesthood, although this privilege was later revoked. The Book of Mormon reflects the view that dark skin is a curse from God in response to spiritual depravity. In the Utah period, Mormonism was marked by a demeaning attitude toward blacks. It was commonly taught, well into the 2oth century, that black skin was God's curse on Cain (Genesis 4:11-15). In LDS thought, a great war in heaven divided God's spirit children in the premortal existence. Those born black in this life were said to have been less valiant in that heavenly war. Brigham Young, the 2nd LDS Church President and Prophet, had a low view of blacks:You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind. (Journal of Discourses: 7:290-291).This is why interracial marriage was not allowed and social interaction between the races was officially discouraged well into the 1960s and 1970s. It is also the rationale for denying blacks the priesthood and not allowing them to receive temple ordinances.Latter-day Saints will argue that the LDS position on blacks and the priesthood was not doctrine, but a matter of policy. Yet in 1949, the Church's highest leaders spoke clearly against this view:The attitude of the Church with reference to the Negroes remains as it has always stood. It is not a matter of the declaration of a policy but of direct commandment from the Lord, on which is founded the doctrine of the Church from the days of its organization, to the effect that Negroes may become members of the Church but that they are not entitled to the Priesthood at the present time. (Statement of the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, August 17, 1949, Archives, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Salt Lake City.)This changed in 1978, when LDS Prophet Spencer W. Kimball announced a revelation that allowed black men to receive the priesthood. Since then, the LDS Church has made several statements condemning racism. They have increased their missionary efforts in Africa and in black communities elsewhere. We can rejoice that the LDS Church has officially turned away from the evil of racism. But were the LDS prophets in the 1850s right or wrong? Was the First Presidency in 1949 telling the truth? It's good for any church to change policies that are wrong. But what does it say about a church that claims to be led by divine revelation?The LDS Church's Gospel Topics Essay: Race and the PriesthoodTrinityThe historic position of Christianity, based on the Bible, is that there is only one God, who eternally exists in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Latter-day Saints deny this idea of God. They envision a “Godhead” of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost who are not one God in three persons, but separate beings who are one in spirit, purpose, and glory. But their view of God has changed over the years.The way God is depicted in the Book of Mormon is much closer to biblical Trinitarianism. Here is a sampling of just a few examples:And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. (2 Nephi 31:21)And after this manner shall ye baptize in my name; for behold, verily I say unto you, that the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost are one; and I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one. (3 Nephi 11:27)Behold, I am he who was prepared from the foundation of the world to redeem my people. Behold, I am Jesus Christ. I am the Father and the Son. (Ether 3:14)Modern Latter-day Saints interpret statements about “one God” and Jesus being “the Father and the Son” in support of current LDS doctrine, but on the face of it, the language itself suggests otherwise.In the decade after the Book of Mormon was published, the LDS idea of God continued to develop. The Lectures on Faith - published in 1835 as part of LDS scripture - asserted:That the Godhead consists of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Lecture 5, Paragraph 1)That there are two "personages", the Father and the Son, that constitute the "supreme power over all things" (Lecture 5, Paragraph 2)That the Father is a "personage of spirit, glory, and power" (Lecture 5, Paragraph 2)That the Son is a "personage of tabernacle" who "possess[es] the same mind with the Father; which Mind is the Holy Spirit" (Lecture 5, Paragraph 2)Over time, the current LDS view of God emerged. Most modern Latter Day Saints would never accept the idea of a two "personage" Godhead, with the Father as a spirit and the Holy Spirit as the shared "mind" of the Father and the Son.SummaryBiblical Christianity has certainly changed in its practices over the years. But the core doctrines that define the Christian faith are rooted in the stability of the unchanging Bible. Different interpretations of the Bible come and go in different eras, but the Bible is always the definitive standard against which any interpretation is measured. God continues to speak to his people today, not through the changing ideas of mortal prophets, but through his timeless word, the Bible.--The Unveiling...

We learn how to sharpen your awareness so you can identify lust before it takes hold, use Scripture the way Jesus did in the wilderness, and load your mind with ready-to-use verses.Chapter Timestamps:0:00 — Opening hook: flee lust0:36 — Napoleon story: superior foe, run away2:20 — Core message: fight by flight3:20 — Biblical basis: flee sexual immorality4:14 — Personal failure trying to “fight” lust7:09 — Introduces the “fight protocol”7:37 — Step 1: name it11:23 — Step 2: reject it with Scripture15:36 — Step 3: replace it19:12 — Final recap: name, reject, replace21:00 — Closing call to action

Latter-day Saints revere Joseph Smith as a prophet of God. His role is absolutely central to the claims of Mormonism. LDS Church President Joseph Fielding Smith highlighted this important role:“Mormonism, as it is called, must stand or fall on the story of Joseph Smith. He was either a prophet of God, divinely called, properly appointed and commissioned, or he was one of the biggest frauds this world has ever seen. There is no middle ground.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation 1:188. Italics in original)In light of this, it makes sense to examine the story of Joseph Smith to evaluate what we should think of him. Consider five elements of his story that bear upon this question.Occult Treasure Hunting Money digging was a fairly common practice in frontier America in the late 1700s and early 1800s. It involved certain rituals or ceremonies performed to obtain buried treasure. The treasure was thought to be guarded by evil spirits. Joseph Smith as a young man offered his services for hire as a money digger. Smith's entire family practiced various folk-magic practices, including visions, dreams and occult rituals.Joseph's method in finding lost treasure involved the use of a seer stone, which he discovered in 1822 while digging a well for a neighbor. He would place this small rock in his hat and pull his hat up over his face to block out the light. He claimed that he could see supernaturally through the stone to help locate the place where the treasure was buried.The Vagrant Act, a New York law at the time, defined a disorderly person to include one who pretended to have skill in palm reading, telling fortunes, or discovering where lost goods could be found. In 1826 - during the period while Joseph was supposedly being prepared by God to receive the gold plates containing the Book of Mormon - he was arrested, brought before a judge, and charged with being a “glass-looker” and a disorderly person. The judge determined that Joseph was guilty, though no penalty was administered.Shortly after this, Joseph stopped money digging but kept the seer stone. It was with this stone that he claimed to find the gold plates and to later produce the Book of Mormon. Historians have documented many points of connection between Joseph's early occult practices and the origins of the Book of Mormon.The First Vision Joseph Smith's “First Vision” is a key part of the LDS story and establishes several unique LDS beliefs. The official account of this vision describes how the 14-year-old Smith, eager to learn the truth about which of the competing Christian churches was true, went to a secluded grove to ask God. There God the Father and Jesus Christ appeared to him and told him not to join any of them, for all of them were apostate. That event launched the prophetic mission of Joseph Smith to restore Jesus' original church to the earth. The official account, now included in LDS scriptures, was written by Joseph Smith in 1838, 18 years after the events it recounts. Yet historical research in recent years has uncovered eight other accounts of the First Vision. Some were written by Smith himself, or were recorded by others who heard Smith tell about it. Most of these accounts are earlier than the official version. It appears that over time, the story changed and grew into its final form. In some versions, two personages appear to Smith. In another, only “the Lord” appears. In others, the glorious personage is an angel. In the official version, the personages tell Smith that all churches are corrupt. In another version, this message comes from an angel. In other versions, this message is missing. In some versions, In one version, Smith reports that he was told, “Your sins are forgiven.” But this is absent in other versions. The official account says that Joseph was 14 when he had the vision. Another version, in Smith's own handwriting, says that he was 15. Others give his age as 17. The LDS Church's Gospel Topics Essay: First Vision AccountsThe Kirtland Banking ScandalThe LDS Church was officially founded in 1830 in New York, near Joseph Smith's home town. By the early 1830s Smith and his followers moved to Kirtland Ohio, where a number of converts had joined the church. New converts from other areas converged on Kirtland to be part of the LDS community. But the church's presence in Ohio didn't last long.There was friction with the locals on a number of points, which led to persecution. But one significant issue emerged when Joseph Smith and other LDS leaders organized an illegal bank in 1836, called the Kirtland Safety Society. Smith not only broke the law to form the bank; he had no expertise in financial matters and hid behind his prophetic mantle to convince others to fund the bank, claiming that the audible voice of God instructed him to establish it. He prophesied that the bank would grow and flourish, surviving when others failed. Yet this bank failed in 1837, releasing a hornet's nest of creditors who demanded payment, leading to numerous lawsuits and threats of violence. Many in the LDS church at that time lost faith in Smith's prophetic leadership. Others were convinced that Smith intended to defraud investors from the beginning. Joseph left Kirtland in January 1838 under cover of darkness, never to return again. FreemasonryFreemasonry was prevalent in the areas where Joseph Smith grew up. In fact, Joseph's brother Hyrum became a Mason while the family was still living in Palmyra, New York. Some years later, in Nauvoo, Illinois, when the LDS church was at its height, many prominent Latter-day Saints were Masons. Joseph became a Mason in March 1842. Less than two months later, he introduced the core ritual of the LDS temple, the endowment ceremony. Numerous scholars have pointed out the many parallels between the Masonic ritual and the LDS temple ritual, such as: the language of the ritual; the handshakes and other physical signs; the oaths and promises made; the vows of secrecy; the clothing involved in the ceremonies; the presentation of the ritual through drama, and more. Masonic themes and symbols are also reflected in the architecture of the Nauvoo temple, such as the beehive; the sun, moon and stars; the square; and the all-seeing eye. The LDS temple ritual, said by Mormons to have been given by divine revelation, is actually based on Masonic rituals.PolygamyPlural marriage in Mormonism began with Joseph Smith. He was toying with the principle of polygamy as early as 1831, and began introducing the doctrine shortly thereafter, but the revelation outlining the practice was not written down until 1843. Around 1834, Smith had a sexual relationship with Fanny Alger, a teenager living in his home. Faithful LDS scholars view this as the first of his plural marriages, but early LDS leader Oliver Cowdery described it as a “dirty, nasty, filthy affair.” By 1842, Joseph had married 10 women. That summer, he married six additional women, along with 17 others in 1843. Two of these were only 14 years old. While Mormons have denied it for years, the LDS Church has acknowledged that many of these marriages were physically consummated.The revelation authorizing plural marriage is found in Doctrine and Covenants 132. There, Joseph's wife Emma is threatened with destruction if she does not go along with Joseph's polygamy. (Today, most people would view that as spiritual abuse.) Section 132 also requires plural wives to be virgins. Yet Joseph married a number of women who were already married to other men. The revelation required a man taking plural wives to obtain the permission of his first wife. Yet Joseph married many women without Emma's knowledge. The LDS Church's Gospel Topics Essay: Plural Marriage in Kirtland and NauvooAgain, Latter-day Saint leaders have challenged us to consider Joseph Smith's story, to discern whether he was a prophet of God. These five elements of Joseph's history give evidence that he was not.--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--Notes

Today we go over your step by step guide to finally having freedom from lustChronological Chapter Timestamps- The Missing Roadmap: Why willpower isn't enough and the need for a comprehensive blueprint.- The True Foundation: Why personal connection—not rigid religious duty—is the power source for freedom.- The Seven Sons of Sceva: A striking story in Acts revealing why the enemy isn't afraid of your tactics.- Standing on Bought Ground: Shifting from fighting for freedom to defending ground already won.- Actionable Faith: How true belief manifests through intentional daily movement.- The Baseline Question: Are you actually ready to be free? (And what to do when the answer is no).- The Victory Routine: Morning and evening anchors that eliminate unstructured temptation.- Environmental Audit: Why abstinence is easier than moderation when clearing out media and dopamine traps.- Eye & Thought Discipline: Master the art of "bouncing your eyes" and stopping thoughts from building a nest.- The Ultimate Weapon: How Jesus fought temptation in the wilderness—and why scripture memory is your only live ammunition.- The Trachenberg Strategy: What Napoleon's defeat teaches us about "Fight by Flight."- The 3-Step Fight Protocol: Name it, Reject it, Replace it.- One Day at a Time: Winning the current wave instead of getting crushed by the weight of forever.

In this opening episode of a 12-week series on The Pursuit, Pastor Bryan Dwyer, Pastor Ross Anderson, and Tracy Dwyer introduce the fundamental truths of embarking on a journey with God. Designed for both seasoned believers looking to disciple others and seekers exploring Christianity for the first time, the hosts address common misconceptions about God's character and religious expectations. The conversation centers on a pivotal core truth: God is actively for you, not against you, regardless of your past, mistakes, or perceived distance from Him. Drawing from the story of Jesus healing the leper in Matthew 8, the episode illustrates Christ's willingness to draw near to and transform those who feel isolated or unworthy. We introduce the concept of a "full-circle faith"—a dynamic process that begins by trusting Jesus for salvation and naturally progresses into living a life that honors Him and culminates in making disciples.--The PursueGOD Truth podcast is the “easy button” for making disciples – whether you're looking for resources to lead a family devotional, a small group at church, or a one-on-one mentoring relationship. Join us for new episodes every Tuesday and Friday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--Timestamps & Key Topics00:03 - Introduction to "The Pursuit" Series Pastor Brian, Pastor Ross, and Tracy introduce the 12-week series designed to equip Christians to make disciples while offering seekers a clear, biblical picture of God.01:31 - Reframing the Image of God Addressing common cultural and religious baggage, the hosts discuss shifting from a rule-based view of faith to understanding God's heart and intentions toward individuals.04:50 - Evaluating Your Standing with God A prompt encouraging listeners to reflect on where they fall on the continuum of feeling far from vs. close to God.07:10 - Truth #1: God is For You, Not Against You Unpacking the assurance that God is not intimidated by anyone's past or sin, and exploring how Jesus actively pursued the broken rather than avoiding them.08:33 - The Story of the Leper (Matthew 8) An analysis of Jesus reaching out to touch and heal a leper, highlighting Christ's compassion, power, and willingness to restore those who feel rejected.14:43 - The Pitfall of Self-Righteousness & Religious Systems Examining Mark 2:17 and why trying to earn God's favor through moral effort or rule-keeping keeps people from experiencing genuine grace.18:00 - Truth #2: A Pursuit of God Changes Everything Discussing John 10:10 ("life to the full") and how whole-life Christianity impacts eternity as well as daily relational, emotional, and practical living.20:55 - The Full-Circle Faith Framework: Trusting Jesus Understanding the first arrow of the full-circle model: starting a relationship with God strictly through faith in Jesus Christ rather than self-improvement or good works (Romans 3:22).28:53 - The Full-Circle Faith Framework: Living to Honor God Exploring how genuine faith shifts internal desires, leading believers to align their choices, habits, and allegiance with God out of gratitude rather than obligation.Key TakeawaysGod Is Willing and Good: Jesus's interaction with the leper demonstrates that God possesses both the power to transform lives and the desire to draw near to those who feel defiled or far away.Salvation Is a Gift, Not an Achievement: Relationship with God begins solely by placing faith in Jesus Christ (Romans 3:22). It cannot be bought, earned, or supplemented by human effort.Faith Is a Journey, Not Just a Destination: Following Christ offers "life to the full" (John 10:10), impacting every area of daily living—relationships, habits, and internal peace—rather than just securing a future outcome.Grace Drives Obedience: Good works do not earn salvation; rather, experiencing God's free gift creates a natural desire to live a life that honors Him out of gratitude and love.

After spending more than 50 years trying to earn God's approval, Leanne began the difficult journey of leaving Mormonism and learning to trust Jesus instead of religious leaders. She shares how studying church history, reading the Bible for the first time, and stepping into a Christian church transformed her understanding of grace. Her story reaches a powerful turning point when Jesus shows her that she can stop running—because He already finished the race for her.--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--

What happens when trying to be worthy becomes an exhausting race you can never finish? After more than 50 years in Mormonism, Leanne shares how religious scrupulosity, fear, and relentless rule-keeping left her anxious and caused Jesus to feel less and less important. In this episode, she opens up about the experiences that shaped her faith, the moment her testimony began to collapse, and how Jesus emerged from the rubble.--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--

If you sat down with nothing but a Bible, would you ever actually come up with your current belief system? In this episode, Bryan reacts to a classic sermon clip from Francis Chan detailing his front-door encounter with LDS missionaries. But stick around for the twist at the end—because Francis doesn't just challenge LDS theology; he turns the mirror directly on modern evangelical church culture.--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--What happens when one of the most famous modern preachers gets a knock on his door from LDS missionaries?In this episode of Unveiling Mormonism, Pastor Bryan reacts to a powerful sermon clip from Francis Chan. We dive into Chan's incredibly gracious, question-based approach to Mormon theology, compare "traditional" LDS doctrines (like eternal progression and the pre-existence) with modern LDS branding, and tackle a massive challenge that every evangelical Christian needs to hear.Key TakeawaysThe Power of Asking Questions: Why Francis Chan's gentle, curious approach to LDS missionaries is far more effective than getting "fired up" or preachy.The "Two Mormonisms": The difference between the front-page, Jesus-centric marketing of modern Mormonism and the actual, traditional doctrines of eternal progression and grandfather gods.A High View of Scripture: Why starting and ending with the Bible changes the entire conversation—and why we must encourage our LDS friends to read it without any external "filters."The Twist Challenge for Christians: If you only read the Bible from cover to cover, would you actually come up with the consumer-driven, mega-church programs we see today?

What Can Christians Learn from the Mormon Church?It might seem strange to ask this on a podcast usually dedicated to exposing the doctrinal and historical flaws of Mormonism. But while we remain uncompromising on biblical truth, we have to ask: Are there things the LDS Church simply does better than many Christian churches?Drawing from 27 years of ministry in Utah, pastor and host Bryan breaks down 4 powerful principles that ministry leaders and churchgoers can glean from their Mormon neighbors. From creating a "high bar" culture to relentlessly prioritizing the family, we explore how to elevate our commitment to Christ without falling into the trap of legalism.In this episode, we discuss:The High Bar Culture: Why lowering the bar makes it too easy for people to walk away from the church.Prioritizing the Family: Shifting the spiritual burden from church programs back to the home.Proactive Community Support: Building a structural safety net so no one falls through the cracks.Shared Identity: Overcoming Christian infighting to build a unified front for the gospel.Read the full article and get the group discussion guide at pursueGOD.org: What Can Christians Learn from the Mormon Church?--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--

Are Mormons Christians? In a recent viral interview, Christian and cultural commentator Allie Beth Stuckey sat down with Latter-day Saint (LDS) apologist Jacob Hansen to answer that exact question. While the conversation used a lot of shared vocabulary, a deeper dive reveals that historic biblical Christianity and Mormon theology are built on completely different foundations. In this episode, Bryan breaks down the interview, defines the terms, and untangles the crucial, unbridgeable gaps between the LDS worldview and the biblical gospel. Whether you are a Christian wanting to understand your faith better or a Mormon evaluating your own traditions, this episode will help you look past the vocabulary to see the actual theology. --The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--ARE MORMONS CHRISTIANS? In a recent viral episode, cultural commentator Allie Beth Stuckey hosted Jacob Hansen, a prominent Latter-day Saint (LDS) apologist, to tackle a question that has long puzzled many believers and observers alike: Are Mormons Christians? While the conversational surface appeared agreeable, a deeper exploration reveals that beneath shared terminology lies a radically different foundation.For listeners on Spotify or viewers over on our YouTube channel, this breakdown is designed to untangle the terminology and clarify the crucial, unbridgeable gaps between biblical, classical Christianity and Mormon theology.1. The Context of Wisdom: Joseph Smith and James 1:5The foundational story of the LDS movement begins in 1820 with a 14-year-old Joseph Smith who, confused by denominational infighting, read James 1:5: "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God..." Smith went into a grove of trees to pray, leading to what Mormons call the "First Vision," where he claimed God the Father and Jesus Christ told him all existing churches were corrupt and lacked ecclesiastical authority.However, extracting James 1:5 to validate a brand-new revelation takes the text entirely out of context. James was writing to persecuted Jewish Christians scattered abroad, encouraging them to seek God's wisdom to endure trials—not establishing a formula to discover a new gospel. Furthermore, if we look just two chapters later, James 3:13 tells us that true godly wisdom is proven by "living an honorable life."When examining the life of Joseph Smith, the historical reality is deeply troubling. The LDS church has openly admitted over the last decade that Smith practiced polygamy, marrying multiple women, including a 14-year-old girl. From a biblical perspective, this lifestyle fundamentally contradicts the honorable fruit of divine wisdom described by James.2. The Ontological Gap: Same Species or Creator and Creation?During the interview, Hansen noted that while Mormons consider themselves Christians, they are not "creedal Christians." Creedal Christians adhere to historical, biblical summaries like the Nicene Creed, which outline the biblical nature of God.While the official LDS website uses deeply Christian-sounding language—stating that Jesus is our Savior and God loves us—digging deeper reveals a completely different ontology (the study of being):Biblical Christianity teaches an infinite, unbridgeable gap between God and humanity. God is the eternal, uncreated Creator; we are His finite creation.Mormon Theology teaches that God and men are the same species. They believe God the Father was once a man who progressed to Godhood, and that human beings can undergo "eternal progression" to eventually become gods themselves.To call this a minor difference is to miss the entire point of biblical revelation. This is not a secondary issue; it is a fundamentally different view of who God is.3. The Gospel: Simple Grace vs. Priesthood KeysOn paper, an LDS person might agree with a basic definition of the gospel: that Jesus died for our sins to rescue us. But the deception lies in how terms are defined.In biblical Christianity, salvation is a straight line: we are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone (Ephesians 2:8-9). It is a free gift, entirely independent of institutional alignment.In Mormonism, a distinction is made between "general salvation" (resurrection) and exaltation (reaching the highest level of heaven to become a god). To get the "fullness" of relationship with God and achieve exaltation, Hansen explained that an individual must participate in specific ordinances (like temple marriages and secret rituals) that can only be performed by someone holding the "priesthood keys" of the LDS church.When you tell people that Jesus's sacrifice isn't enough on its own, and that they must add a checklist of institutional works and ordinances to be fully reconciled to God, you are no longer preaching the biblical gospel. As Paul strictly warned in Galatians 1:8, anyone preaching a altered, different gospel is under a divine curse.4. Universalism vs. The Reality of JudgmentFinally, the interview exposed a strong current of modern universalism within modern LDS thinking. Hansen argued that the traditional Christian view of a binary Heaven and Hell is too rigid, preferring a "spectrum" of three celestial kingdoms where almost everyone ends up happy. He downplayed the concept of "Outer Darkness" (the LDS version of Hell), claiming it's tough to know who actually goes there.Yet, historical Mormonism is quite clear. Second LDS President Brigham Young explicitly stated in the Journal of Discourses that apostate Mormons—those who leave the LDS faith—are the ones destined for Outer Darkness.More importantly, Jesus Himself repeatedly warned of a definitive, binary reality regarding eternity: those who are in Christ inherit eternal life, and those who reject Him face eternal separation (John 14:6, Acts 4:12). True love doesn't rewrite the blueprint of eternity to sound pleasant; it tells the truth about the cancer of sin and points faithfully to the only True Doctor, Jesus Christ.

Rinsley grew up with deep roots in Mormonism—even tracing her family line back to Hyrum Smith and Brigham Young's brother. But despite her devotion, she was overwhelmed by anxiety, guilt, and the crushing pressure of trying to be good enough for God. After becoming involved in a Mormon splinter movement that promised greater truth and spiritual experiences, she eventually discovered that no amount of effort, rituals, or religious devotion could bring the peace she was searching for. In this powerful episode, Rinsley shares how she found true freedom, not through works, but through the grace of Jesus Christ. --The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--

In this episode, Marie shares her powerful story of how God transformed her life—from depression, anxiety, suicidal thoughts, and hopelessness to a completely new life in Jesus Christ. She is a new creation. After years of feeling like her prayers went unheard and struggling to find God within the LDS Church, everything changed when God met her in an unexpected moment on a raft in the middle of a lake. Hear how God relentlessly pursued her and her family, revealed His grace, and led her into a life-changing relationship with Jesus.--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--

In this episode, Bryan and Brandi Bronson take a closer look at the growing divide between “old Mormonism” and “new Mormonism,” exploring how teachings on prophets, scripture, salvation, exaltation, and the Great Apostasy are being reinterpreted today.--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--Brandi's Instagram: _journeytojesus

Has Mormonism changed?That's the question at the heart of this conversation. For many former Latter-day Saints, the answer is an emphatic yes. What they were taught growing up seems very different from what many younger Mormons believe and teach today.In this episode, Brandi shares her experience growing up in what she calls “old school Mormonism” and contrasts it with what she sees as a rapidly emerging “new Mormonism.”--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--Brandi's Instagram: _journeytojesus

Have you ever felt spiritually exhausted, constantly wondering if you've done enough for God? In this episode, we unpack Hebrews 12 and explore the difference between trying to earn God's approval and resting in the finished work of Jesus Christ. Instead of running a fear-driven treadmill of religious performance, believers are invited to fix their eyes on Jesus and run the race in the freedom, grace, and security He already secured on the cross.--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--Hebrews 12: Getting Off the Treadmill of ReligionHave you ever felt exhausted trying to be “good enough” for God? For many people coming out of Mormonism or other works-based religions, faith can feel like a treadmill that never stops speeding up. You keep trying harder, hoping you'll finally measure up.But Hebrews 12 gives us a completely different picture.After spending eleven chapters explaining who Jesus is and what He accomplished on the cross, the author says, “Therefore… run the race.” Hebrews 12:1-2. The difference is this: Christians don't run to earn God's love. They run because Jesus has already secured it.Jesus already did the work.Hebrews teaches that Jesus is the perfect sacrifice for sin. He paid the penalty we could never pay and sat down at the right hand of God because the work was finished. Hebrews 10:11-14. Salvation is not about trying harder—it's about trusting Jesus.That's why Hebrews 12 tells believers to “strip off every weight” and run with endurance. Hebrews 12:1. Some weights are obvious sins, but others are things like fear, pressure, perfectionism, or constantly trying to please people. Those burdens can keep us from fully resting in Christ.The chapter also gives practical encouragement for following Jesus:Embrace God's loving discipline. God trains His children because He loves them, not because He wants to punish them. Hebrews 12:7Pursue peace with others. Christianity calls us to honesty, humility, and reconciliation. Hebrews 12:14Pursue holiness. God changes us from the inside out through His Spirit. Hebrews 12:14Encourage one another. Christians are meant to help each other remember God's grace. Hebrews 12:15Uproot bitterness. Hurt and anger can poison our hearts if we hold onto them too long. Hebrews 12:15One of the most important verses in the chapter says that Jesus is “the champion who initiates and perfects our faith.” Hebrews 12:2. Jesus doesn't just start salvation and leave us to finish it ourselves. He is both the author and finisher of our faith.That means believers don't live in fear of losing God's love every time they fail. Instead, they live in freedom, knowing Jesus already secured victory through the cross.Hebrews 12 ends with an incredible promise: believers are receiving “a kingdom that is unshakable.” Hebrews 12:28. Our hope is not built on our own performance or worthiness. It is built on Jesus.So stop trying to earn what Christ already paid for. Fix your eyes on Jesus and run the race in freedom.

In this episode, we explore Hebrews 11 and discover that real faith is not built on visible proof, emotional experiences, or religious performance—but on trusting the unshakable character of God. Looking at the “Faith Hall of Fame,” we'll see how biblical faith looks backward at God's faithfulness, forward to His promises, and trusts Jesus even in the uncertainty of the present moment.--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--Hebrews 11 and Real Biblical FaithWe live in a world that wants visible proof for everything. People trust what they can measure, touch, and verify. But Hebrews 11 teaches that real faith goes beyond what we can physically see.Hebrews 11:1 (NLT) says:“Faith shows the reality of what we hope for; it is the evidence of things we cannot see.”The author of Hebrews was writing to people who were tempted to go back to religious systems because following Jesus had become difficult. They were losing comfort, security, and approval. Hebrews reminds them that true faith is not rooted in visible religion or performance—it is rooted in Jesus.Faith Looks BackwardHebrews 11:3 says that by faith we understand God created the universe by His command. Biblical faith begins by trusting God as Creator and believing He is sovereign over all things.If God spoke the universe into existence, then He is powerful enough to sustain us today.Faith Looks ForwardThe chapter then walks through the stories of Abel, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and others who trusted God even when they didn't receive everything they were promised during their lifetime.Hebrews 11:13 (NLT) says:“All these people died still believing what God had promised them.”Their faith was not based on comfort or earthly success. Their confidence rested in the character of God and the promise of something better ahead.Abraham is a perfect example. God promised him a nation, yet Abraham died owning only a burial plot. Still, he trusted God.Biblical faith is not about getting everything we want right now. It is about trusting God even when life feels uncertain.Faith Is About JesusHebrews 11 points us toward Jesus. The Old Testament believers looked forward to the coming Messiah, but today we live after the cross and resurrection.Faith is not something we manufacture through religious effort or perfect feelings. Faith means trusting the finished work of Jesus and relying on God's promises even when we cannot fully see the outcome.Hebrews 11 reminds us to:Look backward at God's faithfulnessLook forward to God's promisesTrust Jesus in the present momentHebrews 11:6 (NLT) says:“And it is impossible to please God without faith.”Real faith is not about performance—it's about dependence on God.

The New Covenant isn't a restoration of ancient temple rituals or a performance-based "covenant path," but a relationship with the person of Jesus who already finished the work for us. When He sat down at the right hand of God, He ended the "waiting game" of religious worthiness and opened the veil for everyone to enter His rest. --The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--Are We There Yet? Finding Rest in the New CovenantMany of us grew up feeling like we were on a spiritual road trip that never quite reached its destination. In the backseat of faith, we constantly ask, "Are we there yet? Am I worthy enough? Have I done enough?" For those coming from a background in Latter-day Saint (LDS) theology, this feeling is often amplified by the teaching that we live in a "restoration" of ancient patterns—new temples, new rituals, and a "covenant path" that can feel more like a performance-based contract than a relationship.However, the book of Hebrews offers a "game-changer" for anyone exhausted by the waiting game. The Word of God shows us that the destination isn't a future point of perfection we reach through our own effort; the destination has already been reached in the person of Jesus Christ.From Contracts to CovenantsIn our daily lives, we understand contracts: "I do this, you do that, and if one of us fails, the deal is off." It is purely transactional. A covenant, in the biblical sense, is relational—like a marriage. It is God saying, "I will be your God, and you will be my people."While many religious systems turn the "covenant path" into a contract—where blessings are earned through tithing, temple attendance, and dietary codes—the New Covenant flips the script. It isn't about what you do to stay on the path; it's about what Jesus did to become the path.The Fulfillment of Every PromiseThe Old Testament is a series of layers building toward a climax. Jesus didn't just add another layer; He fulfilled them all:The Noahic Covenant: God promised never to destroy the earth again, symbolized by a "war bow" pointed toward heaven. Jesus took the arrow of that judgment upon Himself.The Abrahamic Covenant: God promised a "seed" to bless all nations. Jesus is that promised seed.The Mosaic Covenant (The Law): This was a conditional covenant that Israel failed to keep. The sacrificial system acted like a "credit card statement"—it showed the debt of sin but could never pay it off.The Sacrifice That Ended All SacrificesHebrews 10:12 provides a direct challenge to the idea that we need to restore ancient temple rituals: "But our High Priest offered himself to God as a single sacrifice for sins, good for all time. Then he sat down."In the ancient Tabernacle, there were no chairs because a priest's work was never finished. The fact that Jesus sat down is a beautiful, definitive statement. If His sacrifice was good for all time, we no longer need animal sacrifices or modern temples with veils. When Jesus died, the veil was torn, signifyng that the "waiting game" is over.Living in the "Already and Not Yet"We still live in a broken world where we struggle with sin and sickness. Theologians call this the "already and not yet." Our sins are already forgiven and the debt is paid, but the world is not yet fully made new.The difference for a believer is the move from anxiety to assurance. We aren't waiting to see if our check clears at the bank of heaven; the check has already cleared. We are simply waiting for the final statement. You don't need a temple; through the Holy Spirit, you are the temple. You don't need to earn your way; Jesus is the way. It's time to step out of the car and enter His rest.

In this episode, we look at chapter 6 in Hebrews to discover how Jesus serves as the ultimate High Priest, retiring human gatekeepers and removing every ladder between you and the presence of God.--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--The End of Gatekeepers: Understanding Priesthood in HebrewsFor many, especially those coming from a Latter-day Saint background, the word priesthood is synonymous with a ladder of authority—a series of offices, keys, and lineages required to act in God's name. In this view, the Aaronic and Melchizedek priesthoods are essential roles that men must hold to administer ordinances and bridge the gap between God and man.However, a "crash course" in the Book of Hebrews reveals a radically different story. In the Bible, the priesthood isn't a ladder you climb to get more authority; it is the story of how God removed every ladder so you could finally walk directly into His presence.The Tabernacle: A "Keep Out" SignIn the Old Testament, the priesthood system served as much as a barrier as it did a bridge. The Tabernacle was designed in layers—the outer court, the Holy Place, and finally, the Most Holy Place. This innermost room, representing God's presence, was strictly restricted. Only the high priest could enter, and only once a year with a sacrifice. As Hebrews 9:8 explains, this system was designed to show that the way into the holiest place was not yet freely open.The Problem with the Aaronic SystemWhile many are taught that the Aaronic priesthood is a necessary office for today, Hebrews describes it as a "shadow system." Hebrews 7:18 goes as far as to call these Old Testament regulations "weak and useless" because they could never truly clear a person's conscience. They were a temporary fix that became obsolete the moment the true High Priest, Jesus, arrived.The Untransferable Priesthood of MelchizedekThe most significant point of tension lies in the Melchizedek priesthood. In the LDS tradition, this is a higher office given to many men. But Hebrews 7:24 says that Jesus holds His priesthood permanently because He lives forever. The Greek term used here implies that His priesthood is untransferable—it does not pass from one person to another.If Jesus' priesthood cannot be transferred, then no other man—past or present—can hold it. Jesus didn't come to restore a priesthood for men to hold; He came to be the Priest so that human mediators would no longer be necessary.The Veil is TornWhen Jesus finished His sacrifice on the cross, the massive curtain in the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. This was God's "Emancipation Proclamation," signaling that the restricted zone is now open to everyone.Today, we don't need a human gatekeeper, a temple recommend, or a specific office to reach God. Because of Jesus, every believer is part of a "royal priesthood" (1 Peter 2:9). We are invited to come boldly to the throne of grace, not because of our own authority or a certificate, but because of the finished work of Jesus Christ.

In this episode, we explore the shift from a system where the thinking is done for you to the "solid food" of studying the Bible for yourself. Drawing from Hebrews 5, we discuss the stinging rebuke to those who remain spiritually "dull" and why it's time to move past the milk to a direct, living relationship with Jesus. It's time to stop being a consumer of a religious institution and finally launch into the mission of God.--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--Failure to Launch: Moving from Milk to MeatIn 2018, the story of Michael Rotondo went viral—a 30-year-old man sued by his parents because he refused to move out, pay rent, or help around the house. A judge finally had to step in and order him to "launch." While we laugh at the absurdity, the author of Hebrews delivers a similar stinging rebuke to believers who have been in the faith for years but are still "spiritually living in their parents' basement."The Danger of Spiritual InfancyFor those coming out of the LDS Church, this passage hits a specific nerve. Many have spent decades in a system that often keeps members in a state of perpetual spiritual infancy, relying on a central organization to dictate what to think, what to eat, and how to interpret every verse of Scripture. When the "thinking has been done for you," spiritual muscles atrophy.In Hebrews 5:11-14, the author stops a deep theological discussion on Melchizedek to sigh: "You are spiritually dull and don't seem to listen." The Greek word for "dull" is nothros, meaning sluggish or lazy. Maturity requires moving past "predigested" milk to the "heavy meat" of the Word.How to Study for YourselfBiblical maturity requires Inductive Bible Study. Instead of "proof-texting"—searching for verses to confirm what a leader has already said—true study follows three steps:Observation: What does the text actually say? (Not what a manual says it says).Interpretation: What did it mean to the original audience?Application: How does this change my life today?From Consumer to ContributorMaturity isn't just about knowledge; it's about discernment. Hebrews 5:14 says the mature have "trained themselves" (gymnaso—the root of "gymnasium"). It's about learning to recognize right and wrong based on the character of God, not just a handbook of instructions.The "mic drop" moment of the passage is this: "You have been believers so long now that you ought to be teaching others." The goal of the Christian life isn't just self-improvement; it's multiplication. The cure for spiritual dullness isn't more consumption—it's contribution. We don't mentor others to become worthy; we do it because Jesus is worthy, and He has already transferred His perfection to our account.It's time to stop being a consumer and start being a contributor. The eviction notice is on the door: it's time to grow up and launch.

In a culture often focused on maintaining a perfect outward appearance, the Word of God serves as a precise scalpel that penetrates past our masks to expose the hidden motives of the heart. This isn't a process of condemnation, but a necessary surgery led by our High Priest, Jesus, who was pierced for our transgressions so that we could be truly healed.--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--

--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--

In this episode, we unpack seven powerful reasons for the incarnation, showing how Jesus didn't just make salvation possible—He came down to accomplish it.--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--Why Did Jesus Have to Become Human? (Hebrews 2)Last week we explored the “cosmic Jesus”—the Creator and Sustainer of all things, the exact imprint of God's nature. But Hebrews 2 brings the focus down from the throne of the universe to the dust of humanity, asking a deeply personal and essential question: Why did Jesus have to become human?In this episode, we unpack seven powerful reasons for the incarnation straight from Hebrews 2. Jesus became human to represent us, to take on a body capable of dying so He could pay for our sin, and to decisively break the power of the devil through His death. He didn't just make a way for us to save ourselves—He accomplished the work fully and finally.We also explore how Jesus frees us from the fear of death, becoming not just a distant Savior but our compassionate High Priest who understands our struggles firsthand. As both fully God and fully man, He is the perfect bridge between us and God—the priest who is also the sacrifice. And because He experienced real temptation and suffering, He is able to help us in our daily battles with sin and doubt.This conversation also highlights a key contrast between biblical Christianity and Mormon theology. Rather than a system where we climb a ladder of effort and obedience to reach God, Hebrews presents a radically different picture: God came down to us. The incarnation isn't about Jesus progressing to something greater—it's about God rescuing humanity.If you've ever felt like God is distant, or wondered if you've done enough to be accepted, this episode offers hope. Jesus didn't come to help you earn salvation—He came to be your salvation. The ladder didn't go up. It came down.

In this powerful series premiere, we kick off a nine-week deep dive into the Book of Hebrews—a text that serves as "ground zero" for anyone standing at the crossroads between religious systems and the person of Jesus Christ. For those navigating the "covenant path" of the LDS Church, the pull of tradition, community, and structured "plan of salvation" charts can be overwhelming. However, the author of Hebrews dismantles the need for "precept upon precept" by presenting a theological sledgehammer: Jesus is not a step in your progression; He is the end of it. We explore how the first four verses of Hebrews redefine revelation, replace fragments with fullness, and introduce a Savior who didn't just come to help—He came to finish the work and sit down.Key Themes & Discussion PointsThe Gravity of "Better"The First-Century Crisis: Understanding the original audience—Jewish believers in AD 65 tempted to retreat from the "shame" of the cross back to the safety and tangibility of the Temple.The Modern Parallel: For those leaving the LDS faith, the "vacuum of tradition" is real. We discuss the temptation to keep Jesus "in your pocket" while still clinging to the shadows of the old system for comfort.Fragments vs. The FullnessThe Slow-Release Trailer: Historically, God spoke through prophets in "many times and many ways" (dreams, bushes, still small voices).The Final Word: Hebrews 1:1-2 declares that God has now spoken "in Son." If Jesus is the final period at the end of God's sentence, the need for "continuous revelation" or additional volumes of scripture is rendered obsolete. Why use a flashlight when the sun has risen?The Anatomy of a God: The Seven Attributes We contrast the "Elder Brother" Christology of Mormonism with the majestic, uncreated Christ of Hebrews 1:The Heir: He is the "Why" behind the universe, not one of many potential heirs to "worlds without end."The Creator: As the agent of creation (aionas), He stands outside of time and "progression."The Radiance: He is the light flowing from God, not a reflection of it.The Expression: The charaktēr (exact imprint) of God's essence. This challenges the "separate beings" doctrine.The Sustainer: He holds your very atoms together by His word, not by learned priesthood keys.The Savior: "After making purification..." — a finished action in the past tense.The Ruler: He sat down. In a system where the work is never done (no chairs in the Temple), Jesus signals total victory by taking His seat.Addressing the "Cheap Grace" ObjectionThe distinction between doing "works" to get to Jesus versus "works" as an act of worship because of Jesus.The mathematical reality: "Jesus + Anything = Nothing." Adding to the finished work of Christ is a subtraction of its power.Memorable Quotes"If you are a Mormon today and you are tired... it's because you are trying to stand up where Jesus has already sat down.""Jesus is not a 'great addition' to your life. He isn't a 'step' in a progression. Jesus is the End."Scripture ReferencesHebrews 1:1-4 (The Exordium)D&C 130:22 (Contrast regarding the nature of God)TakeawayIf Jesus is who Hebrews says He is, He isn't just "better" than your old life—He is everything. You don't need a middleman, a recommend, or a correlation committee. You need the Son. Stop trying to earn a place in a kingdom that already belongs to the Heir. Look at the Seated King, and finally... just breathe.--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate NowHebrews (Series) - pursueGOD.org

In this episode, AJ and Brandi return to the studio to dive into one of the most jarring and controversial chapters of Mormon history: the Doctrine of Blood Atonement. AJ recounts the "shelf-breaking" moment at BYU when he first discovered that early prophets—specifically Brigham Young—taught that certain sins were beyond the reach of Jesus Christ's sacrifice, requiring the sinner to shed their own blood for salvation. The discussion explores the massive disconnect between 19th-century Mormonism and modern LDS teachings, the theological implications of a "prophet who can lead you astray," and how the biblical definition of atonement offers a stark, grace-filled contrast to the works-heavy requirements of the LDS faith.Key Discussion Points1. The Discovery and the "Shelf"The BYU Moment: AJ shares how a simple student question in a Book of Mormon class led to a dismissive response from a professor, sparking a late-night research session that left him "sick to his stomach."The Infallibility Crisis: Growing up with the song "Follow the Prophet," AJ was taught that a prophet could never lead the church astray. Discovering Blood Atonement shattered this belief, as he realized a prophet had taught something he considered the "antithesis of the gospel."2. Defining Blood AtonementThe Core Doctrine: Taught primarily by Brigham Young and Jedediah Grant in the 1850s, it suggested that sins like murder, apostasy, and adultery were so "grievous" that Christ's blood was insufficient to cover them.Literal vs. Rhetorical: While some modern apologists argue the language was metaphorical, historians (including faithful LDS scholars like Richard Turley) acknowledge instances where the doctrine was taken literally and carried out.The Motivation: Ironically, it was framed as an act of "love"—shedding a person's blood to save their soul from eternal damnation.3. The Changing Narrative at BYUInoculation vs. Secrecy: Brandy and AJ discuss the shift in how the Church handles "difficult" history. While AJ's generation faced silence and "weirdness" from professors, younger generations are being "properly inoculated" with the information early to prevent future shocks.The Internet Factor: The group agrees that the transparency isn't necessarily a choice but a necessity in the information age; the Church can no longer "cover up" what is easily accessible on Wikipedia or historical archives.4. Biblical Atonement vs. LDS AtonementWhere it Happened: The guests note the cultural Mormon emphasis on Gethsemane as the primary site of atonement, whereas the Bible and traditional Christianity point to the Cross.Sufficiency: The biblical view (e.g., Colossians 1:20, Hebrews 9:22) asserts that Jesus' sacrifice was "finished" and all-sufficient.The "Ladder" Analogy: Brandy describes the LDS view of Christ providing a "ladder" that the believer must then climb through obedience, whereas the biblical view is that Jesus is the way, not just a provider of the means to work.Notable Quotes"I can no longer in good faith ever say the prophet can't lead you astray because I have a clear example of that happening here." — AJ"Mormonism blinds people to the gospel. When you say things like 'trust alone for Jesus's righteousness,' they're going to go, 'That's too easy.'" — Brandi"If the president of the church should ever lead people astray, God would take him away... So when you learn of something like blood atonement, it is so damaging." — AJResources MentionedBooks: Vengeance is Mine: The Mountain Meadows Massacre and Its Aftermath by Barbara Brown Jones and Richard Turley.Podcasts: Sunstone Mormon History Podcast, Mormon Stories.Websites: MRM.org (Mormonism Research Ministry), PursueGod.org.Scripture References1 John 1:9: Confession and cleansing from all unrighteousness.Hebrews 9:22: The necessity of the shedding of blood for remission.Colossians 1:20: Peace made through the blood of the cross.John 19:30: "Tetelestai" — It is finished.--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate NowMormonism Archives - pursueGOD.orgConnect with Brandi on Instagram

In this episode, Bryan unpacks the striking parallels between Mormonism and Islam to show how both systems ultimately shift the focus away from the finished work of Jesus and back onto human effort, contrasting it with the true gospel of grace found in the Bible.--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--This episode takes a deeper look at the striking parallels between Mormonism and Islam, highlighting how both begin with the claim that the original message of Christianity was corrupted and needed to be restored. Each introduces a new prophet—Joseph Smith and Muhammad—along with new scriptures revealed through angelic encounters, ultimately reshaping core biblical truths about who Jesus is and how salvation works. The conversation walks through how these systems, while different in many ways, both shift the focus away from the finished work of Christ and toward human effort, obedience, and religious performance.Grounding the discussion in passages like Galatians 1 and Ephesians 2, this episode challenges listeners to examine the reliability and sufficiency of the Bible and the true gospel message. Rather than needing a restored or updated version of Christianity, Scripture points us back to the once-for-all revelation of Jesus. The takeaway is clear and encouraging: salvation is not something we achieve through striving, but something we receive by grace through faith. In a world full of competing truth claims, this episode helps clarify why the gospel of Jesus stands alone—and why it's still enough today.

This episode uncovers the history of the secretive Danite group in early Mormonism and contrasts their use of intimidation and violence with the radically different way of Jesus, whose kingdom advances through truth, not force.--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--In this episode, we explore a little-known chapter of early Mormon history: the rise of the Danites, a secret group formed in 1838 during the Missouri conflict. Recently published historical documents have confirmed that this group existed and operated as a kind of paramilitary society within early Mormonism, using secret oaths and intimidation to silence dissenters—even other Mormons.We also examine how religious movements can drift when loyalty to leaders begins to outweigh commitment to truth and biblical principles. Looking at passages like 2 Corinthians 10:3–4 and John 18:36, the episode contrasts the violent methods used by the Danites with the way of Jesus, whose kingdom advances not through force but through truth, humility, and sacrificial love.Ultimately, this conversation reminds us that God's kingdom doesn't need secrecy, intimidation, or violence to advance. Jesus didn't ask for secret oaths or blind allegiance—He gave His life so that people could be free and walk in the light of truth.

In this episode, Bryan sits down with two siblings who grew up on an ostrich farm in a strict Mormon home. Their stories took very different paths—one running into rebellion, the other chasing perfection—but both eventually discovered the life-changing difference between performance-based religion and the gospel of grace.--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--James and Madi grew up in an unexpected setting—an ostrich farm—inside a deeply committed LDS home led by parents who valued hard work, obedience, and doing “all you can.” As James hit his teen years, the pressure of performance-based religion collided with real-life struggles, leading to conflict, shame, and eventually being asked to leave home at 15. Madi, only seven at the time, watched it all happen and absorbed a powerful message: don't mess up. She doubled down on Mormon checklists and perfection, while James spiraled into instability, early fatherhood, and chasing acceptance wherever he could find it.As the years passed, James carried that same performance mindset into the Marine Corps, then into adulthood—along with addiction and a strained marriage. Madi's story took a different path: religious OCD, emotional despair, theological questions she couldn't get answered, and eventually stepping away from the church entirely. But when James and his wife encountered Jesus through a local Christian church, everything shifted—his identity, his marriage, and his sense of being loved without conditions. Watching that transformation sparked Madi's own journey of deconstruction, as she began to see the profound difference between Mormon doctrine and the gospel of grace—and the hope of becoming a disciple-maker for others coming out of the same world.

In this provocative episode of Unveiling Mormonism, Pastor Bryan challenges the very bedrock of the LDS faith: the necessity of a modern priesthood. By comparing the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' definitions of the Aaronic and Melchizedek offices against the biblical text of the NLT, we explore whether Joseph Smith truly restored an ancient order or created a new organizational hierarchy. From the "toll collectors" of religious systems to the liberating New Testament doctrine of the Priesthood of All Believers, this conversation shifts the focus away from human "keys" and back to the finished, unchangeable work of Jesus Christ.Key Discussion PointsThe Hook: The High Stakes of the MiddlemanReligion often positions itself as the "toll collector" on the bridge between humanity and God. In Mormonism, the priesthood is presented as the essential authority required to access the highest heaven. We ask the "edgy" question: Does the bridge still need a middleman?The Aaronic Priesthood: Ritual or Bloodline?An investigation into the Old Testament requirements for the Aaronic Priesthood reveals stark differences from the LDS "preparatory" office for 12-year-olds.Lineage: Biblical priests required specific DNA (descendants of Aaron).Maturity: Service began at age 25–30, not 12.Purpose: The biblical office was defined by animal sacrifice—a "shadow" that pointed toward the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus.The Melchizedek Mystery: Who Really Holds the Keys?In the New Testament, the Melchizedek Priesthood isn't a category of office for thousands of men; it is a unique, untransferable ($aparabatos$) office held by Jesus alone. Because Jesus lives forever, He requires no successor or local "holder" of His authority.The Priesthood of All Believers: No More MiddlemenExploring the radical shift in 1 Peter 2:9, where the "royal priesthood" is extended to every believer—regardless of gender, age, or status. The tearing of the Temple veil signaled the end of the religious hierarchy, granting every person direct access to the throne of grace.Closing the Loop: The Finished WorkThe bridge to God isn't built of "worthiness interviews" or human rituals. It was built by the cross. For the follower of Jesus, standing with God is tied to the Savior, not a system.Scriptural Highlights (NLT)Hebrews 7:23-24: "There were many priests under the old system, for death prevented them from remaining in office. But because Jesus lives forever, his priesthood lasts forever."1 Peter 2:9: "But you are not like that, for you are a chosen people. You are royal priests, a holy nation, God's very own possession."--Keyword: PriesthoodWhy Is The “Priesthood Of All Believers” So Important?What Is the Melchizedek Priesthood in Mormonism?How Does the Mormon Aaronic Priesthood Compare to the Bible?The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now

In this episode Pastor Bryan challenges the popular but dangerous habit of "narcissistic" Bible reading—treating the Scriptures like a mirror to validate our own feelings rather than a window into the mind of God. By exploring the critical distinction between Eisegesis (reading our own meaning into the text) and Exegesis (drawing God's meaning out of it), we uncover how misusing "inspiring" verses like Jeremiah 29:11 or Philippians 4:13 can actually silence the Holy Spirit's true intent. Listeners will walk away with a practical four-pillar framework for Hermeneutics, shifting from seeking "nuggets of personal approval" to encountering the transformative, Christ-centered reality of the Word.--The PursueGOD Truth podcast is the “easy button” for making disciples – whether you're looking for resources to lead a family devotional, a small group at church, or a one-on-one mentoring relationship. Join us for new episodes every Tuesday and Friday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate NowKeyword: Bible StudyWhat's the Difference between Eisegesis and Exegesis?What Is Biblical Hermeneutics?--

In this episode, former Mormon apologist Michael Flournoy shares how debating Christians and studying Scripture to defend Mormonism unexpectedly led him to the doctrine of grace—until he realized Jesus' righteousness is a gift, not something you earn. His journey exposes the “impossible gospel” of performance and points to the sufficiency of Christ alone.--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--Link to "From Mormon Apologist to Christian: The Story of Michael Flournoy" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi5XP1Qh6OsThe Story of Michael FlournoyWhat does it mean to be a “Mormon apologist”? Michael Flournoy explains it with a smile: it's not someone who's good at apologizing. It comes from the Greek word apologia—a defense. In other words, an apologist is someone who argues their case and tries to prove they're right.And for years, that was Michael.He wasn't employed by the LDS Church, but he took the job personally. As a Mormon missionary, Michael ran into evangelical Christians who used the Bible to challenge Mormon beliefs. Instead of backing down, he doubled down. He became a student of Scripture—not to surrender to it, but to “undermine” Christian arguments. He debated Christians online and in person, wrote a book titled A Biblical Defense of Mormonism, and tried to persuade Christians that Mormons were truly Christians… just with “more truth.”But the story doesn't stay there.When the Bible Didn't CooperateMichael describes an early turning point on his mission. A Christian man confronted him with questions about God's nature, authority, and salvation. The conversation became combative and intense, lasting hours. Meanwhile, Michael's missionary companion tried (and failed) to locate a key proof-text Michael assumed was in the Bible—something to support the Mormon idea that humans can become gods.As the Christian man quoted passage after passage from memory, Michael felt stunned. His assumption was simple: “The Bible is supposed to be on our side.” But suddenly, it felt like Scripture was testifying against him.That moment didn't immediately make Michael a Christian—but it did awaken something: a hunger for certainty. Mormonism often leaves people with shifting ground—“maybe the prophet was speaking as a man,” or “maybe that revelation was partly human.” Michael didn't want “maybe” anymore. He wanted truth that wouldn't move. So he committed to reading the Bible and believing what it said.Ironically, he came out of that study more convinced Mormonism was true—at least for a while. He was using the Bible, but he admits he didn't yet understand how to interpret it faithfully. He collected scattered verses, stretched meanings, and attempted what he later calls “mental gymnastics.” If Christians had to accept the Bible, he figured, he could use it as “checkmate” to prove Mormonism.So he finished his mission, got married, and even dropped out of college to write his book. He

Welcome back to the podcast!Soul Surgery: When God's Word Cuts to HealText: Hebrews 4:12–13 (NLT)Big Idea: God's Word isn't just a book to be read; it's a scalpel used by the Great Physician to heal us from the inside out.About fifteen years ago, I went under the knife for an appendectomy. Surgery is never something you look forward to. You surrender control. You trust someone else to cut you open. It sounds terrifying—until you remember the goal isn't harm, but healing.Hebrews 4:12–13 shows us a different kind of surgery—soul surgery. The author writes:Hebrews 4:12 (NLT)“For the word of God is alive and powerful. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow. It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires.”Hebrews 4:13 (NLT)“Nothing in all creation is hidden from God. Everything is naked and exposed before his eyes, and he is the one to whom we are accountable.”This passage is both comforting and confronting. Comforting because God is active. Confronting because nothing in us is hidden.The Living Word (Logos)The Greek word translated “word” is logos. Long before the New Testament, Greek philosophers used logos to describe the logic or ordering principle behind the universe. It explained why the world wasn't chaos but a structured system. Jewish philosopher Philo of Alexandria later used the term to bridge Greek thought and Hebrew Scripture, describing the logos as the “mind” of God expressed in creation.But the New Testament goes further. The logos isn't just a principle—it's a person.John 1:1 (NLT)“In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.”The Word is Jesus. When Hebrews says God's Word is “alive and powerful,” it isn't describing ink on a page. It's describing the living Christ speaking through Scripture. God is not silent. He is active in our lives right now.And that matters, especially when we feel abandoned or disappointed. Hebrews was written to believers tempted to drift away. The reminder? God is still speaking. His Word is still working.The Sharp Instrument (Machaira)Hebrews says the Word is “sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword.” The Greek term machaira refers not to a long battlefield sword but a short dagger used in close combat. Its strength was precision.Picture not a broadsword swinging wildly, but a scalpel in a surgeon's hand.The Word of God “cuts between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow.” This isn't about splitting human anatomy into categories. It's about penetration. God's Word reaches the deepest parts of us—the hidden motives, secret intentions, unspoken loyalties.In Acts 2, Peter preached the gospel, and the result was immediate:Acts 2:37 (NLT)“Peter's words pierced their hearts, and they said to him and to the other apostles, ‘Brothers, what should we do?'”That's soul surgery. The Word cuts—not to condemn—but to convict. It exposes who we really are, rather than who we pretend to be. It gives us an objective standard, so we stop comparing ourselves to other sinners and start responding to a holy God.Laid Bare (Trachēlizō)Verse 13 intensifies the image. “Everything is naked and exposed before his eyes.” The Greek word translated “exposed” means to lay bare the neck. It was used of bending back the neck of a sacrificial animal—or of a wrestler forcing his opponent into submission.The image is sobering. We can't hide. We can't bluff. We can't spin our motives. Before God, we are fully seen.But this exposure has a purpose. Hebrews isn't about public humiliation; it's about revealing our true allegiance. Will we harden our hearts? Or will we trust and obey?The prophet Isaiah reminds us:Isaiah 55:11 (NLT)“It is the same with my word. I send it out, and it always produces fruit. It will accomplish all I want it to, and it will prosper everywhere I send it.”God's Word always accomplishes something. It never returns empty. When it cuts, it cuts with intention.Why the Surgery?Why would God expose us like this? Why lay bare our necks and operate on our souls?Because untreated sin is deadly.Just as my appendix had to be removed to save my life, pride, unbelief, bitterness, and hidden rebellion must be addressed in ours. The Great Physician doesn't cut casually. He cuts carefully. And though the process may hurt, it heals from the inside out.For believers, this means inviting God's Word to examine us daily. Let it convict. Let it correct. Let it produce fruit.For seekers, maybe you feel “cut to the heart.” That's not coincidence. That's invitation. The same Word that exposes also saves. Jesus—the living Logos—went under the knife of judgment for us on the cross. Because he was pierced, we can be healed.Soul surgery sounds scary. But in the hands of a loving Savior, it's the very thing that brings life.

In this episode Bryan connects the dots between modern prophetic scandals and early Mormonism, exposing how unchecked authority and “new revelation” can lead to deception, cover-up culture, and spiritual harm. This episode warns all believers to test everything against the Word of God, even in the Christian church. --The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--Cover-Up Culture and the Modern Prophetic MovementImagine believing a leader hears directly from God—only to discover manipulation, deception, and hidden sin behind the scenes. Recent scandals in parts of the modern prophetic movement have exposed troubling patterns of spiritual abuse, cover-ups, and unchecked authority.In this episode, we connect the dots between today's prophetic controversies and similar patterns from church history—particularly early Mormonism. This isn't about attacking charismatic Christians. It's about recognizing red flags that can emerge whenever leaders claim special revelation and avoid accountability.The goal? Spiritual discernment. Protecting your faith. Keeping your eyes on Jesus.What We Cover in This Episode1. What Is the Modern “Prophetic Movement”?In some charismatic and Pentecostal circles, certain leaders claim to receive fresh, specific revelations from God. With social media and online platforms, these voices now have massive reach and influence.Recent investigations have exposed:Data mining disguised as prophecyManipulation through spiritual languageAllegations of moral failure and abuseInstitutional efforts to protect reputations over victimsThese patterns aren't new.2. The Historical Parallel: Early MormonismIn the 1800s, Joseph Smith claimed prophetic authority and new revelation. Over time, a culture developed that:Shielded leadership from accountabilitySuppressed inconvenient truthsProtected institutional reputationMinimized or denied moral failuresThe release of the Gospel Topics Essays in 2013 revealed how long some historical realities had been obscured.The lesson? Cover-up culture thrives wherever leaders claim unquestionable authority.The Core Issue: Authority and “New Revelation”The connective tissue between past and present movements is this idea:When someone claims direct revelation from God that overrides Scripture or bypasses accountability, danger follows.Scripture never elevates...

Greater Than the G.O.A.T.Hebrews 3:1–6Who's the Greatest of All Time?In football, fans argue over quarterbacks. In basketball, it's Jordan or LeBron. In soccer, Messi or Ronaldo. Every generation debates its heroes. Today we're asking that same question—but for the Bible.If you had asked a first-century Jewish believer, the answer would have been simple: Moses. He wasn't just a leader. He was the prophet, the lawgiver, the deliverer, the mediator. If you had Moses, you had everything.But Hebrews chapter 3 makes a bold claim: Jesus is greater.The Pressure to Go BackThe book of Hebrews was written to Jewish Christians under intense pressure. They were facing persecution and social rejection. Following Jesus wasn't easy. Going back to Judaism—to Moses—looked safer.Can you relate? Sometimes faith costs something. Maybe it's awkward conversations at work. Maybe it's tension in your family. In those moments, the “old life” can look comfortable.That's why the author writes:Hebrews 3:1–6 (NLT)“And so, dear brothers and sisters who belong to God… think carefully about this Jesus whom we declare to be God's messenger and High Priest… Moses was certainly faithful in God's house as a servant… But Christ, as the Son, is in charge of God's entire house. And we are God's house, if we keep our courage and remain confident in our hope in Christ.”Moses was faithful. But Jesus is greater.Why Moses? Because to understand how great Jesus is, you have to understand how great Moses was.1. The Prophet: The Mouthpiece vs. The MessageMoses was the great prophet of Israel—Moshe Rabbenu, “Moses our Teacher.” When God spoke, Moses delivered the mail.At the burning bush, God said:Exodus 3:10 (NLT)“Now go, for I am sending you to Pharaoh. You must lead my people Israel out of Egypt.”Moses went up the mountain and came down with God's words. He was the mediator. The messenger.But Hebrews tells us something bigger.Hebrews 1:1–2 (NLT)“Long ago God spoke many times and in many ways to our ancestors through the prophets. And now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son.”Moses delivered a message. Jesus is the message.Moses told us what God said. Jesus showed us who God is. The difference isn't subtle—it's seismic.2. The Architect: The Snapshot vs. The Whole PictureMoses didn't just speak for God. He shaped a nation.At Sinai, he brought down the Ten Commandments. In a world ruled by tyrants, this was revolutionary. Authority answered to a higher authority. Justice wasn't based on mood; it was rooted in God's character.Even the Sabbath command was radical:“Six days you shall labor… but the seventh day is a sabbath.”In a world of slavery and subsistence farming, rest was unheard of. God declared that human worth wasn't measured by productivity.But even this was just a snapshot.Fifteen hundred years later, Jesus revealed the whole picture:Matthew 22:37–40 (NLT)“‘You must love the LORD your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.'… ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.' The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments.”Moses gave structure. Jesus gave fulfillment.The law was never the final word—it was the frame around a greater portrait. Jesus didn't abolish the law; He completed it.3. The Servant: The Old House vs. The New HouseHebrews 3:5 says:“Moses was certainly faithful in God's house as a servant. His work was an illustration of the truths God would reveal later.”An illustration. A preview. A shadow.For centuries, God worked primarily through Israel. Kings like David. Prophets like Elijah and Isaiah. All servants in the house.But the house wasn't the destination—it was the conduit.Even the Law hinted at something bigger:Numbers 15:15 (NLT)“Native-born Israelites and foreigners are equal before the LORD and are subject to the same decrees.”Foreigners? Equal?It was there all along.Then comes the mic drop:“But Christ, as the Son, is in charge of God's entire house. And we are God's house…”Not just Israel. Jews and Gentiles. Insiders and outsiders. The offer of salvation goes out to all.Moses served in the house. Jesus rules over it. And through Christ, we become it.The Testimony of MosesIf you asked Moses, “Are you the one we should follow?” he would point beyond himself.Jesus said:John 5:46 (NLT)“If you really believed Moses, you would believe me, because he wrote about me.”That's the point of Hebrews 3.Moses was great. Faithful. Foundational. But his entire ministry was an illustration of what God would reveal later.Jesus is greater than the prophet because He is the Word made flesh.Greater than the architect because He fulfills the law.Greater than the servant because He is the Son.And if you belong to Him, you are part of His house.So when the pressure comes—when faith feels costly—remember this:Don't retreat to the shadow when you have the substance.Don't go back to the servant when you have the Son.Don't settle for the snapshot when you've seen the whole picture.Jesus is greater than the G.O.A.T.

Welcome back to the podcast! Join us this week for a special episode, highlighting the updates to our website in 2026!--The PursueGOD Truth podcast is the “easy button” for making disciples – whether you're looking for resources to lead a family devotional, a small group at church, or a one-on-one mentoring relationship. Join us for new episodes every Tuesday and Friday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--

When a Latter-day Saint (Mormon) says they believe the Bible is the Word of God, they aren't lying—but they are using a different dictionary. In this episode, we pull back the curtain on the LDS "Eighth Article of Faith" and the massive disclaimer that follows their view of Scripture: "as far as it is translated correctly." We explore the "Great and Abominable Church" narrative, the bold claims of the Joseph Smith Translation (JST), and how a "broken" Bible created a vacuum that only a modern prophet could fill. Ultimately, we compare the Mormon hierarchy of truth against the biblical claim that Jesus is the "final word," challenging listeners to return to the sufficiency of the original text.--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--Mormons, members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS), believe the Bible is the word of God, but only as far as it is translated correctly. While they value the Bible as holy scripture, they do not believe it is the final or complete authority for faith. Instead, they view it as one part of a larger collection of scriptures that includes the Book of Mormon.The Bible and the "Translation" CaveatTo understand what Mormons believe about the Bible, you first have to look at their eighth Article of Faith. It states that they believe the Bible to be the word of God "as far as it is translated correctly." This phrase is a major pivot point. For evangelical Christians, the Bible is the inspired, inerrant, and sufficient Word of God. For a Mormon, the Bible is seen as a book that has suffered from the loss of "plain and precious parts" over centuries of translation and human interference.Because of this perspective, the LDS Church generally uses the King James Version (KJV) but views it with a level of caution. They believe that through the centuries, many truths were removed by a corrupt church. This is why they believe a "restoration" was necessary. In their view, the Bible is a good book, but it is a damaged book that requires modern revelation to fix its perceived gaps.The Role of the Book of MormonMormons often describe the Book of Mormon as "Another Testament of Jesus Christ." They believe it serves as a companion to the Bible, acting as a second witness to the divinity of Jesus. However, in practice, the Book of Mormon often takes precedence. Since they believe the Book of Mormon was translated by Joseph Smith through divine power, they consider it the "most correct of any book on earth."This creates a hierarchy of authority. When a biblical passage seems to contradict a teaching in the Book of Mormon or modern LDS revelation, the Bible is usually the one that is reinterpreted. For a Mormon, the Bible is the starting point, but the Book of Mormon is the clarifying finish line. They believe the two books work together to tell a more complete story of God's dealings with humanity, specifically those in the ancient Americas.The Need for Modern RevelationA core belief in Mormonism is that the "canon" of scripture is not closed. While evangelical Christians...

WHY DID JESUS HAVE TO BECOME HUMAN? (CHRISTOLOGY 2)Last week, we began our journey through Hebrews by focusing on Christ's divine nature. In just four verses, we saw that Jesus is the agent, purpose, sustainer, and ruler of creation. He is fully God—uncreated, eternal, and the exact expression of God's nature. That was a lot of theology packed into a small space.Today we slow down and move to Christology part two: Jesus' human nature. This raises a crucial question for Christians then and now: Why did Jesus have to become human?The theological term for this is the incarnation—the central Christian belief that the eternal Son of God took on human nature in the person of Jesus Christ. Importantly, Jesus did not stop being God when He came to earth. He retained His divine nature and added a fully human nature. This means Jesus is one person with two distinct natures: fully God and fully man. No other being in the universe exists like this.While on earth, Jesus didn't “turn off” His divine power. Instead, He chose not to exercise His divine attributes independently. He lived in complete dependence on the Holy Spirit. The early church called this mystery the hypostatic union. It's deep theology, but the book of Hebrews doesn't present it as abstract theory. It presents it as good news.Let's slow down and read our passage for the day:Hebrews 2:14–18 (NLT)Because God's children are human beings—made of flesh and blood—the Son also became flesh and blood. For only as a human being could he die, and only by dying could he break the power of the devil, who had the power of death. Only in this way could he set free all who have lived their lives as slaves to the fear of dying…From this passage, Hebrews gives us seven reasons Jesus had to become human.First, Jesus became human because we are human. Since God's children are flesh and blood, the Son also became flesh and blood. Only a human could represent the human race before God. To save humanity, the Savior had to belong to humanity. In God's courtroom of justice, Jesus stands as our representative—one who truly understands our condition.Second, Jesus became human so He could die. Death is the penalty for sin, established by God from the beginning. This is the great paradox of the gospel: the Author of life became mortal. If Jesus had remained only divine, He could not have died—and if He could not die, we could not overcome death. Hebrews later reminds us that without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins.Third, Jesus became human so He could break the power of the devil. Hebrews says that through death, Jesus destroyed the one who had the power of death. Satan once held the authority to accuse humanity and hold eternal separation over our heads. Notice the tense—had the power of death. Through the cross, that authority was broken.Fourth, Jesus became human to set us free from the fear of death. Death is still inevitable, but it no longer has the final word. In the ancient world, death was a constant companion, and fear of it shaped daily life. The Christian hope of resurrection transformed everything. As Paul later declared, “O death, where is your victory?” Christians don't have to live as slaves to fear anymore.Fifth, Jesus became human so He could be our high priest. A priest bridges the gap between a holy God and broken people. Jesus had to be made like us in every respect to fulfill this role. He is merciful toward our weakness and faithful toward God's holiness. Hebrews will return to this theme again and again.Sixth, Jesus became human so He could be our sacrifice. In the Old Testament, priests offered animals. In the New Covenant, the Priest is the sacrifice. This is the ultimate power move of grace: Jesus offered Himself to take away the...

In this episode, Brandi and AJ share how unanswered questions, painful discovery, and an honest search for truth led them from “grinding for godhood” in Mormonism to encountering the real Jesus of the Bible.--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--Brandi and AJ's Story: Mormon to Atheist to ChristianBrandi and AJ were doing everything “right.” They were BYU grads, married, building a life, raising kids, and fully committed to the LDS vision of a faithful future. AJ describes it like “grinding for godhood”—a life built on steps, worthiness, temple goals, and constant striving. But then the foundation started to crack.For AJ, some of the doctrinal history raised unsettling questions (including ideas like “blood atonement,” which they mention they'll unpack later). For Brandi, the tipping point was watching changes in the LDS church after COVID and feeling like the church was shifting in a more progressive direction. She tried to address it the way a devoted member would: she wrote letters to Salt Lake City headquarters about what she saw as inconsistency—especially related to abortion and human life. She wasn't trying to tear anything down. She genuinely believed the LDS church was true, and she wanted it to be consistent.But the response felt dismissive—more like a polite pat on the head than a meaningful engagement. That frustration pushed them into a place they never thought they'd go: researching.Looking for answers… without wanting to “deconstruct”Brandi makes an important clarification: they weren't hunting for “gotcha” moments. They didn't go searching because they assumed the church was false. In fact, they needed it to be true. That's why reading outside sources felt dangerous. AJ describes that fear as avoiding the “cognitive dissonance fire”—because their hearts were convinced, and they didn't want their minds persuaded that everything was a lie.But once they started reading, the “genie” didn't go back in the bottle.They looked at sources like MormonThink because it included multiple perspectives—both critical claims and apologetic responses. That felt more balanced. Still, it wasn't official, and Brandi felt guilty even being there. Eventually, as more historical issues piled up (like multiple First Vision accounts, questions surrounding the Book of Abraham, and other details they had never been taught), Brandi felt desperate for the church itself to clarify things. So they turned to the Gospel Topics Essays—official LDS content hosted on the LDS website.That's where everything shifted.Instead of restoring confidence, the essays confirmed key issues and, in Brandi's view, exposed more “spin” than clarity. For the first time, she seriously wrestled with the question: What if the church isn't true?The crossroads: nuance or truthAJ explains how people often survive early doubts by “nuancing” their faith—making room for uncomfortable data while keeping the system intact. But eventually, they reached a crossroads: Would they live in a...

The Seven Attributes of Jesus (Christology 1)Big Idea: Jesus Christ is not just a chapter in the story of God; He is the Author, the Hero, and the Ending. When we see Jesus for who He truly is, every other priority in our lives finds its proper place.Today we begin a nine-week journey through the Book of Hebrews, a letter written to magnify the greatness of Jesus Christ. Hebrews isn't primarily about religious rules, moral improvement, or spiritual techniques. It's about Jesus—who He is and what He has done. Everything else flows from that foundation.The original audience was likely Jewish Christians living under Roman rule, facing intense persecution. As pressure mounted, many were tempted to abandon their faith in Jesus and return to the familiarity and safety of traditional Judaism. Hebrews speaks directly into that tension with one clear message: Jesus is greater than anyone or anything that came before Him. To walk away from Him would be to walk away from the fulfillment of all God's promises.The author of Hebrews remains anonymous, one of the great mysteries of the New Testament. While Paul may have influenced it, the writing style is far more polished and rhetorically sophisticated than Paul's letters. Hebrews chapter 1 proves this immediately. Verses 1–4 form a single, majestic sentence in the original Greek—an exordium, designed to grab attention with both beauty and weight.Hebrews 1:1–4 (NLT) sets the stage:“Long ago God spoke many times and in many ways to our ancestors through the prophets. And now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son…”In the Old Testament, God spoke in fragments—a dream here, a burning bush there, a prophet's warning along the way. But in Jesus, God didn't just send messages; He sent the Message. This is Christology—the study of the person and work of Jesus Christ—and Hebrews wastes no time getting to the point.In verses 2–3, the author unleashes a rapid-fire description of Jesus using seven distinct attributes. In Scripture, the number seven represents completeness and perfection. Together, these form a full portrait of the Son.Jesus is the Heir—the goal of history. God has promised everything to Him as an inheritance. History is not random; it is moving toward the coronation of King Jesus. He is the “why” behind all creation.Jesus is the Creator—the architect of reality. Through Him, God made the universe. Jesus is not a created being; He is the source of all things. Nothing exists apart from His will.Jesus is the Radiance—the shining glory of God. He doesn't merely reflect God's glory like the moon reflects sunlight; He radiates it. The Son is the visible manifestation of the invisible God—“Light from Light.”Jesus is the Expression—the exact imprint of God's nature. The Greek word charaktēr refers to a stamp or seal. Jesus doesn't resemble God; He perfectly represents Him. To see Jesus is to see God.Jesus is the Sustainer—the glue of the cosmos. He holds everything together by the power of His word. The universe doesn't persist on autopilot; it endures because Jesus commands it to.Jesus is the Savior—the cleanser of sin. When He purified us from our sins, the work was finished. Unlike Old Testament priests who never sat down, Jesus completed the work once for all.Finally, Jesus is the Ruler—the seated King. He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven, a position of total authority. The victory is won.Hebrews 1:4 reminds us that Jesus is far greater than angels, traditions, or anything else we might be tempted to trust. For believers facing hardship, this truth re-centers everything.The message of Hebrews is clear:...

In this episode, Bryan sits down with Brandi and AJ to hear how a lifetime of devotion to Mormon exaltation turned into what they call “grinding for godhood”—a relentless pursuit of worthiness, temple marriage, and eternal approval. Their story reveals the hidden pressure of a works-based faith and sets the stage for how God began to unravel everything they thought was true.--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--Check out Brandi's Book: The Journey to Jesus: Finding Christ after Leaving MormonismGrinding for Godhood: Life Inside Mormon ExaltationIn this episode, Bryan talks with Brandi and AJ, two former Mormons who were fully committed to their faith from childhood. Brandi introduces a phrase that captures their experience perfectly: “grinding for godhood.” It describes a life shaped by striving—keeping covenants, qualifying for temple blessings, and doing everything necessary to reach exaltation.What does “grinding for godhood” mean?Brandi explains that from a young age she believed her purpose was to tap into her divine nature and eventually become like God. This wasn't driven by ego or a desire to be worshiped. It felt like obligation—this is what I was created for, and I have to take it seriously.AJ felt the same pressure. The temple represented the ultimate goal: exaltation, eternal family, and eternal progression. Getting to the temple—and staying worthy—was everything.Women, godhood, and the templeFor Brandi, godhood wasn't just a “male” idea. She fully expected to become like a “Heavenly Mother,” even though Heavenly Mother was rarely discussed in Mormonism. Eternity was tied to temple marriage, which meant finding the right husband wasn't optional—it was essential.That belief raised the stakes on dating, college decisions, and life itself.Utah vs. California MormonismAJ grew up in Utah, where Mormonism was normal and rarely questioned. Brandi grew up in California, constantly interacting with non-Mormons and Christians who challenged her beliefs. Instead of weakening her faith, that pressure made her more confident and outspoken.Brandi actively debated theology, defended the Restoration, and gave Book of Mormons to friends and teachers—believing she was sharing something life-changing.BYU and the pressure to marryAt BYU Provo, the urgency intensified. Brandi describes the dating culture as competitive and...

In this episode, Bryan and Layne show why the Holy Spirit isn't a reward you earn or a feeling you chase—but God's personal presence given to everyone who trusts in the real Jesus. --The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--How the Holy Spirit Works Personally (and Why Mormonism Leaves People Unsure)In the last episode, we talked about how a biblical church doesn't need one “capital P” Prophet to speak for God. Jesus didn't set up His church to be led by a single man with exclusive access to heaven's messages. Instead, the book of Acts shows something radically different: God gives His Holy Spirit to every believer, revealing truth through Scripture and confirming it through the people of God.But here's the question that hits closer to home: How does the Holy Spirit work on a personal level?That's where this conversation gets especially helpful—because Layne lived for 40 years inside Mormonism, where the Holy Spirit is often treated like something you earn, maintain, or even lose. And if you grew up LDS, you know the anxiety: Do I have the Holy Ghost? Did I lose it? Am I worthy enough today?The “Holy Ghost” in Mormonism: A Gift You're Never Quite Sure You HaveIn Mormon teaching, people are told about the “gift of the Holy Ghost,” along with ideas like “confirmations,” “warm feelings,” and the famous “burning in the bosom.” It's often described as something that comes after baptism, through priesthood hands, and after ongoing obedience and ordinances.But here's the problem: many Latter-day Saints live with what Layne calls Holy Spirit insecurity.You might feel something during prayer or a testimony meeting—then you mess up later and wonder if God is gone. The whole cycle can become spiritually exhausting, emotionally draining, and mentally confusing. Instead of a steady relationship with God, you're chasing a spiritual signal that feels like it comes and goes.The Holy Spirit Is a “He,” Not an “It”One of the practical moments in this episode is when the guys stop and talk about pronouns—because it reveals something deeper.In biblical Christianity, the Holy Spirit isn't an impersonal force. He is a person. Not a “thing” or “energy” or “vibe.” He has personhood. That's why Christians speak of Him as “He,” not because the Spirit has a gender, but because He's personal—God Himself dwelling in believers.Mormonism may technically describe the Holy Ghost as a person, but it's within a very different framework: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as separate beings (and functionally separate gods). That changes everything. Instead of God's direct presence, the Holy Ghost becomes more like a messenger—someone sent—while leaving people unsure what God the Father is doing, and unsure whether they can really trust what they're experiencing.Feelings vs. Fruit: What Are You Actually Chasing?A big “aha” in this conversation is how Mormon “spiritual feelings” often function differently...

In this episode, Bryan and Layne show from Acts and the Old Testament that Jesus didn't set up His church to be led by “one guy,” but by the Holy Spirit—giving every believer direct access to God with Jesus as the Head.--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--How Does God Lead His Church Today?Many people assume that if God is real, and if the church matters, then God must lead His people through one central human authority—one prophet, one president, one pope, one voice you can always trust. That's a natural assumption, especially if you grew up in a system where spiritual certainty came from the top down.In Mormonism, that “one guy” model is baked into the culture. You're taught to trust the prophet's voice. You stand when he enters. You sing songs about him. You learn, subtly, to confuse the voice of the Spirit with the voice of a leader. And over time, it can become so normal that you don't even notice what's happening: you start substituting God's voice for the voice of man.But here's the key question: Is that how Jesus set up His church to work?When we open the Bible, the answer is clear—no. Jesus did not design His church to depend on one human “main character” who can't be questioned. Instead, Jesus promised something far more personal, more powerful, and more stable: He would lead His church by the Holy Spirit, with Jesus as the Head.Jesus' Blueprint Starts in ActsIf you want to understand how God leads the church, you have to start in Acts 1:8. Right before Jesus ascends to heaven, He gives His disciples their mission: they will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes, and they will be His witnesses—starting in Jerusalem and spreading outward to the ends of the earth. Acts 1:8Notice what's missing: Jesus doesn't single out Peter and say, “I'll speak through him now.” He doesn't announce an ongoing chain of centralized authority. Instead, He points them to the Spirit's power and the global mission ahead.Then comes Acts 2, and it's one of the most important moments in church history. At Pentecost, the Holy Spirit comes—not on one leader—but on all believers gathered together. That's the point. The Spirit is not reserved for one office or one “elite” class. God's presence is now available to every follower of Jesus. Acts 2:1-4That alone challenges the entire “one guy” model.The Apostles Were a Foundation, Not a Forever OfficeMormons and Catholics both appeal to the idea of apostolic succession. But the New Testament treats the original apostles as something unique: a foundation.Paul says the church is “built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets.” Ephesians 2:20A foundation is laid once. You don't rebuild it every generation.Acts itself supports this. After Judas dies (after betraying Jesus), the apostles replace him to restore the Twelve. Acts 1:15-26 But later, when James is martyred, the church...

In this episode, Bryan and Layne explore how the Bible teaches direct access to God through Jesus, not through prophets or religious institutions, using the torn temple veil as the key turning point. Drawing from Layne's journey out of Mormonism, they explain why trusting the Holy Spirit over human authority leads to true freedom.--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now--Torn Veil, Open Access Layne (a former Mormon of 40 years) and Bryan talk about what access to God looks like in Mormonism compared to biblical Christianity. The big contrast: Mormonism tends to route access through an institution and its leaders, while the Bible teaches direct access to God through Jesus, guided by the Holy Spirit.They anchor the whole conversation in a key moment from the crucifixion: when Jesus died, the temple veil was torn from top to bottom (Matthew 27:51). That wasn't just a detail in the story—it was God's way of saying, “The separation is gone. The way is open.”What This Episode CoversAccess to God: simple vs. structuredLayne describes growing up Mormon with a built-in ladder of authority—bishop, stake president, prophet—where “hearing from God” felt filtered through leadership. Bryan points out that the idea of having a personal relationship with Jesus often feels like “Christian language,” not the normal relational emphasis inside Mormon culture.Why the torn veil changes everythingIn the Old Testament temple system, the veil represented a barrier between people and God's presence. Only the high priest could pass through, and only once a year, with a sacrifice.But when Jesus died, God tore the veil Himself—from top to bottom—showing that man didn't open the way; God did. The cross didn't just pay for sin. It also removed the whole structure of “you need someone else to get you to God.”Prophets then vs. the Holy Spirit nowThey walk through the New Testament idea that God used prophets “in times past,” but something changes after Jesus (Hebrews 1:1–2). Jesus promised the Holy Spirit would guide believers into truth (John 16:13). Layne puts it plainly: dependence on a prophet is replaced by direct access through Jesus and the indwelling Spirit.Why people prefer a prophet anywayEven if it's not biblical, a prophet can feel comforting because he's visible, official, and “safe.” Bryan compares it to legalism: rules feel helpful because they're clear and controllable—but clarity isn't the same thing as truth. Layne agrees: when a system is built on control, it can't survive if people learn they can truly hear and trust God directly.“What about chaos?” Pastors vs. prophetsThey address a common objection: If you don't have a prophet, won't everything fall apart? Their answer: biblical Christianity still values church, leadership, and community—but a pastor isn't a prophet, and no leader gets to trump Scripture. The moment any person

Comparison is the silent killer of joy. It steals your confidence, shifts your focus, and leaves you spiritually drained. In this episode, we dive into 1 Samuel 18 to look at the lives of Saul and David. David's victory over Goliath should have been a moment of national unity, but instead, it exposed the dangerous power of comparison in King Saul's heart.Join us as we explore how to break free from the "sideways energy" of jealousy and find true confidence in your identity in Christ.Key Takeaways:Comparison Strangles Your Joy: Saul had every reason to celebrate, but he let a song of praise for David turn into personal insecurity. When we look sideways at what others have, we forget the goodness God has already given us.Comparison Stunts Your Growth: Jealousy is like "cancer in the bones" (Proverbs 14:30). It keeps you from being mentored by or mentoring others because you view everyone as a threat rather than a partner in God's kingdom.Comparison Steals Your Focus: You cannot follow Jesus effectively while watching someone else's calling. What you stare at is what you steer toward—if you stare at others' success, you'll steer toward envy.Episode Highlights:[00:00] The Celebration That Turned Into Jealousy David's victory was celebrated by the nation, but Saul fixated on the lyrics: "Saul has killed his thousands, and David his ten thousands!" (1 Samuel 18:7). Saul heard a threat where he should have heard a victory for God.[04:30] The Modern Comparison Trap Social media has made comparison effortless. We discuss how "scrolling" affects our spiritual health and why Psalm 34:10 is the antidote: "Those who seek the Lord will lack no good thing."[09:15] Sideways Energy Saul spent more time watching David than ruling his kingdom. We look at Jesus' words to Peter in John 21:22: "What is that to you? As for you, follow me."[15:45] From Competition to Confidence The Gospel replaces insecurity with identity. Like the Apostle John, we can move from chasing status to resting in the love of the Father (1 John 3:1).Scripture References:1 Samuel 18:7-12 – Saul's jealousy of David.Psalm 34:10 – Lacking no good thing in the Lord.Proverbs 14:30 – The physical and spiritual toll of jealousy.John 21:22 – Jesus' command to focus on our own walk.1 John 3:1 – Our identity as children of God.Mentions & Resources:Learn more about David's life and biblical leadership at pursueGOD.org.Start a Conversation: Use this episode to talk with a friend or small group. Find the full discussion guide at pursueGOD.org/david.

In this episode of the PursueGOD podcast, we dive into the life of David to discover a fundamental truth: God's promises always come with a process. Long before David stood on the battlefield against Goliath, he was being shaped in the "darkroom" of the wilderness. Through faithful obedience in small things, private victories over hidden temptations, and the courage to lead with his unique giftings, David became a man after God's own heart.Whether you feel hidden in an "inglorious" season or are facing your own "lions and bears," this conversation will help you recognize God's hand at work in your development. Learn why your private faithfulness is the prerequisite for your public calling and how God is already orchestrating the "good things" planned for your life.Key Discussion Points1. Developed in the DarkroomThe making of a leader happens in hidden places. Like a photograph, if we are exposed to the "light" of fame or responsibility too soon, the image is ruined. David's journey to the throne began with a "cheese run"—a simple act of obedience to his father (1 Samuel 17:17-20).The Principle: If you're too big to serve, you're too small to lead.Bible Link: “Well done, my good and faithful servant. You have been faithful in handling this small amount, so now I will give you many more responsibilities.” (Matthew 25:21)2. Private Victories Protect Public CallingsBefore David faced the giant, he faced the lion and the bear in solitude (1 Samuel 17:34-37). Your private battles—with pride, envy, or lust—are the training ground for your future.The Principle: Hidden obedience produces visible power.Bible Link: “People who conceal their sins will not prosper, but if they confess and turn from them, they will receive mercy.” (Proverbs 28:13)3. Walk in Your Own ArmorDavid refused Saul's heavy armor because he hadn't "tested" it. He knew that a sling he was used to was better than a sword he couldn't carry (1 Samuel 17:38-40).The Principle: If you don't walk in it, you can't war in it. God equips you uniquely for your specific calling.Bible Link: “Do not neglect the spiritual gift you received...” (1 Timothy 4:14)4. God Prepares the Worker and the WorkGod isn't improvising your story; He is orchestrating it. Just as the head of the idol Dagon fell before the Ark years prior, David's victory over Goliath was a prophetic echo of God's supremacy.The Principle: God's preparation always runs ahead of our participation.Bible Link: “For we are God's masterpiece. He has created us anew in Christ Jesus, so we can do the good things he planned for us long ago.” (Ephesians 2:10)Weekly Takeaways (The Challenge)The Service Challenge: Identify one “inglorious” assignment this week...

In this episode, we kick off a 6-week series exploring the life of David, one of the most significant figures in the Bible. But to understand the king David became, we first have to look at the man he replaced: Saul.Saul looked like a king on the outside—tall, handsome, and commanding—but his heart drifted from God on the inside. Through the story of Israel's first king, we discover that it's possible to "look the part" while lacking spiritual power. We'll contrast Saul's heart with David's and identify three dangerous spiritual drift patterns: fear, expedience, and pride.Key Discussion Points1. From Fear to TrustWhen God doesn't show up on our timeline, fear often takes the driver's seat. Saul felt "compelled" to disobey God's instructions because he was afraid of his dwindling army and a looming enemy.The Lesson: Every sin begins as a failure to trust. Faith is the ability to wait on God when fear tells you to rush.Scripture: 1 Samuel 13:12-142. From Expedience to ObedienceExpedience is taking the convenient shortcut rather than doing what is right. Saul tried to mask his partial obedience as a "sacrifice" to God, but Samuel reminded him that "obedience is better than sacrifice."The Lesson: Integrity means doing what is right even when it's inconvenient. You are only as accountable as you make yourself.Scripture: 1 Samuel 15:223. From Reputation to RepentanceEven when confronted with his sin, Saul's primary concern was his public image. He asked Samuel to honor him before the elders rather than humbling himself before God.The Lesson: True repentance doesn't make excuses or worry about saving face; it focuses solely on returning to God.Scripture: 1 Samuel 15:30The Man of the Moment: David and the Grace of GodGod rejected Saul's man-made efforts and chose David—a man after His own heart. While Saul represented human effort, David's story points us toward grace. Centries later, Jesus (the "Source and Heir of David") offers us the same Spirit that empowered David. When we fail, Jesus provides the transformation we cannot achieve on our own.Resources & Next StepsReflect: Are you currently making decisions based on fear or trust?Go Deeper: Find more Bible studies, videos, and leadership resources at pursueGOD.org.Discuss: Share this episode with a friend or your small group to talk about the "drift patterns" in your own life.

In this episode, Bryan wraps up 2025 and gives us a clear snapshot of what God has been doing through PursueGOD—and what's coming next in 2026.--The PursueGOD Truth podcast is the “easy button” for making disciples – whether you're looking for resources to lead a family devotional, a small group at church, or a one-on-one mentoring relationship. Join us for new episodes every Tuesday and Friday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now --Check out our YouVersion reading plansWant to donate? Click here

In this episode, Bryan talks with Noemi about her journey leaving Mormonism and discovering a relationship with the God of the Bible.--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now --

In this episode, we compare the church in the book of Acts with the church Joseph Smith built—showing how the LDS ‘restoration' actually rebuilds the hierarchy, temples, and priesthoods Jesus fulfilled and the Reformers fought to remove. It's not a return to the New Testament but a reversal of the freedom Christ brought.--The Unveiling Mormonism podcast pulls back the curtain on Mormon history, culture and doctrine. Join us for new episodes every Monday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org/mormonism.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now --SUMMARYLatter-day Saints teach that after the apostles died, the church fell into total apostasy—losing authority, truth, and the gospel—and that Joseph Smith “restored” the original church in 1830.But when we compare the Bible, early church history, and the medieval church, a clear pattern emerges: the LDS system doesn't look like the church in the book of Acts. It looks like the institutional system that developed centuries later.This episode walks through that history and shows why Mormonism isn't a restoration of the New Testament—it's a rebuilding of the very system Jesus fulfilled and the Reformers worked to correct.1. What the Early Church Actually Looked Like (Book of Acts)No templesNo priestly hierarchyNo prophet-presidentNo exclusive priesthood lineageBelievers met in homes, prayed, broke bread, and studied ScriptureLeadership was shared among elders/pastorsEvery believer was a priest (1 Peter 2)Access to God came directly through Jesus, not through mediatorsBottom line: The early church was simple, Spirit-led, and centered entirely on Jesus.2. How the Church Drifted in the Middle AgesBy the 4th century, especially after Constantine:The church became tied to political powerBishops became rulersPriests acted as mediatorsSalvation was tied to rituals and sacramentsA single head (the Pope) claimed God-given authorityThis system dominated medieval Christianity and buried the gospel under layers of tradition and hierarchy.3. The Reformation: Returning to ScriptureLuther, Calvin, Zwingli, and the Anabaptists didn't invent a new church.They removed the medieval layers and returned to:Scripture aloneGrace aloneChrist aloneFaith aloneReal renewal happens when ordinary believers open the Bible again.4. Joseph Smith Recreates the Medieval SystemDespite claiming to “restore” the church, Joseph Smith introduced:A layered priesthood (Aaronic & Melchizedek)A prophet-president with final authorityTemple rituals and restricted accessOrdinances required for salvationCentralized headquarters claiming exclusive truthThis mirrors the medieval Catholic model, not the church in Acts.5. The LDS Temple: The Most Striking IronyJesus

In this episode, we trace how small movements, bold revivals, and ordinary believers shaped the explosive growth of Protestant Christianity from Europe to America—and created the denominational family tree we're part of today.--The PursueGOD Truth podcast is the “easy button” for making disciples – whether you're looking for resources to lead a family devotional, a small group at church, or a one-on-one mentoring relationship. Join us for new episodes every Tuesday and Friday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now --Episode SummaryIn today's final episode of our Church History series, we trace how Protestantism crossed the Atlantic, sparked massive revival movements, and gave rise to the denominational landscape we see today. From the Moravians and the First Great Awakening to Pentecostalism and the modern church, this episode connects the dots and shows how the global church family took shape.1. The Moravians: The Spark Behind Modern MissionsWhere we left off last time.• Descendants of John Hus (the Hussites / Unity of the Brethren)• Refugees who fled to Count Zinzendorf's estate in Saxony (3–600 people total)Why they mattered:• Experienced a powerful renewal on Aug 13, 1727• Launched a 24/7 prayer chain that lasted 100 years• Sent more missionaries than all Protestants combined by 1760• Known for radical sacrifice—including missionaries willing to sell themselves into slavery• Mission field spread across the West Indies, Africa, Asia, and North AmericaThe John Wesley connection:• Wesley encountered Moravians during a terrifying storm at sea in 1736• Their fearless faith pushed him toward his own conversion• This eventually shaped the Methodist movement—the largest U.S. denomination by the 1850s2. The First Great Awakening (1730s–1740s)A transatlantic revival that birthed the modern evangelical identity—people committed not only to studying Scripture but sharing the gospel.The Big ThreeJohn Wesley – The Organizer• Anglican priest, Oxford “Holy Club” leader• Had his conversion at Aldersgate (“heart strangely warmed”)• Formed Methodist societies and class meetings• Emphasized holiness, discipline, and new birth• By his death: 72k British & 57k American MethodistsGeorge Whitefield – The Preacher• Electrifying communicator; could preach to 20k–30k without amplification• Crossed the Atlantic seven times, preaching across all 13 colonies• Popularized the phrase “born again”• First international Christian “celebrity”• Outdoor, mass evangelism pioneerJonathan Edwards – The Thinker• Pastor, theologian, philosophical genius• Sparked revival in Northampton (1734–35)• Wrote Religious Affections, the defining book of revival theology• Fired for restricting communion to true believers• Later became president of what is now Princeton• Legacy...

This episode shows how the church moved from state-controlled religion to voluntary, Scripture-governed communities—and how the Baptists, Congregationalists, Evangelical Free, and eventually Methodists emerged.--The PursueGOD Truth podcast is the “easy button” for making disciples – whether you're looking for resources to lead a family devotional, a small group at church, or a one-on-one mentoring relationship. Join us for new episodes every Tuesday and Friday. Find resources to talk about these episodes at pursueGOD.org.Help others go "full circle" as a follower of Jesus through our 12-week Pursuit series.Click here to learn more about how to use these resources at home, with a small group, or in a one-on-one discipleship relationship.Got questions or want to leave a note? Email us at podcast@pursueGOD.org.Donate Now --How England's Reformation Took a Very Different PathWhile Luther and Calvin led theological reform on the continent, England's story began with politics.Henry VIII wanted a male heir, the Pope refused to annul his marriage, and the king broke from Rome.The Act of Supremacy (1534) created the Church of England—but it simply replaced the pope with a king. It wasn't a movement of revival; it was a power play.After Henry, England spun between Protestant and Catholic identities depending on the monarch. Edward VI pushed Protestant reforms, Mary I violently restored Catholicism, and Elizabeth I settled for a middle-way Anglicanism. The constant whiplash raised a crucial question:If kings can change doctrine overnight, where does true faith come from—crown or conscience?Puritans, Separatists, and the Search for a Church Governed by ScriptureTwo groups rose in response:Puritans — Anglicans who wanted deeper biblical reform.Separatists (Pilgrims) — Puritans who believed the system was beyond repair.King James I shut down most Puritan reforms (except authorizing the King James Bible). He made Anglican worship mandatory by law, and that pressure pushed both groups out of England.The Separatists, who fled first, would shape the future of the church in profound ways.The Birth of the Baptists and CongregationalistsThe Gainsborough Group escaped to Amsterdam and encountered the Anabaptists—believers who rejected state-run religion and emphasized personal faith. John Smyth and Thomas Helwys embraced these ideas and in 1609 founded the first Baptist church. They insisted:Faith must be personalBaptism belongs to believersLocal churches should govern themselvesGovernment must never control conscienceHelwys returned to England in 1612 and founded the first Baptist church on English soil, writing boldly to the king, “You have no power over the souls of your subjects.”Another group—the Scrooby Separatists—fled to Holland, then boarded the Mayflower and founded Plymouth Colony in 1620. Their self-governing church became the root of Congregationalism, shaping early American values of freedom, conscience, and community.Europe's Crisis and the Rise of PietismMeanwhile, Europe erupted into the Thirty Years' War (1618–1648) over forced religion. Millions died. When the war finally ended, the dream of a unified Christendom...