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Today I sit down with Denis Langlois — father, climber, and dedicated route developer. Like many of us he balances climbing with a busy life of work and family. Denis found that bouldering gave him the most freedom. It let him climb on his own schedule — quick sessions, solo missions, and total flexibility.One day, while commuting to a job site, he passed through a narrow canyon next to his home town in in British Columbia, Canada..and something caught his eye… boulders — tons of them. Unclimbed and Untouched. Denis knew he had to come back.Fast forward to today — thanks to his vision and the help of a few committed locals, the Fraser Canyon is now home to more than 80 established boulder problems, ranging from V0 to V10, with development still ongoing.In this episode, we dive into the deep and layered history of Fraser Canyon — from the Gold Rush to its roots in Indigenous land. Denis shares his personal journey in climbing, how he fell in love with the area, and what it's been like developing a climbing destination from scratch.He's also teamed up with video producer Jesse Wheeler to create a beautiful short film about the canyon and its development — be sure to check that out after the show.I love having route developers on this show — these are the folks literally giving back to the community by creating more places for us to climb and they usually do so out of their own pocket with their own passion… So if you're ever heading up to Squamish, looking to avoid the crowds and try something new, make a stop in Fraser Canyon. Check out the boulders, soak in the views, and if you can, give Denis a shout — as I am sure he'd be stoked to show you around.----HELP SUPPORT THE SHOW & GET ACCESS TO EXCLUSIVE EPISODES!  For a little as $5/mo!----Don't forget to check out our full video episodes on Youtube!The TCM movement is growing but we need your help to spread the word! Please share this podcast with your friends and family. Word of mouth is one of the best ways to support the show. If you enjoyed the show we'd appreciate it if you could rate and review us on your favorite podcatcher.We are always looking for new guests. If you or someone you know would be a great fit for the show please don't hesitate to reach out. You can reach us on IG or email us directly @ theclimbingmajoritypodcast@gmail.com---ResourcesKaya Climbing App (Download For Route Information)Short Film: Gold Rush: The Nuggets They Left BehindDenis' IGJesse's IG

Photographers Pat Kane and Amber Bracken are two of Canada's finest. Pat invited Amber to Yellowknife as part of the city's Far North Photo Festival, and the two joined Cabin Radio's Jesse Wheeler and Scott Letkeman to talk about how they see their identity as photographers – and what it takes to just switch off when your job is about framing the world around you.

Cabin Radio legend 'Stone Cold' Sarah Sibley makes a glorious return to the morning show for Adult Spelling Bee exhibition showdown against longtime rival, Jesse Wheeler!

Today, we talk with theologian and activist Jesse Wheeler about the rotten fruit of the West's theology in Palestine and the broader region. We get into:-        How everyday Christians can tell the difference between good and bad theology-        Examples of the fruit of bad Western theology in Palestine and the region of the Middle East/North Africa-        How we must acknowledge the horrible effects of the Zionism on both sides of the political aisle, even while rejecting Trump-        What the political witness of Christians should be with respect to how we handle power-        And after the interview, Sy and Jonathan discuss the Christian nationalism and bigotry in faith leaders' response to controversies at the OlympicsMentioned in the Episode-            Our anthology, Keeping the Faith-            Jesse's essay from the anthology, “Bad Theology Kills”-            Jesse's book, Serving a Crucified King-            Jesse's organization, Friends of Sabeel North America-            The new Institute for the Study of Christian ZionismCredits-            Follow KTF Press on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads. Subscribe to get our bonus episodes and other benefits at KTFPress.com.-        Follow host Jonathan Walton on Facebook Instagram, and Threads.-        Follow host Sy Hoekstra on Mastodon.-        Our theme song is “Citizens” by Jon Guerra – listen to the whole song on Spotify.-        Our podcast art is by Robyn Burgess – follow her and see her other work on Instagram.-        Editing by Multitude Productions-        Transcripts by Joyce Ambale and Sy Hoekstra.-        Production by Sy Hoekstra and our incredible subscribersTranscriptIntroduction[An acoustic guitar softly plays six notes in a major scale, the first three ascending and the last three descending, with a keyboard pad playing the tonic in the background. Both fade out as Jonathan Walton says “This is a KTF Press podcast.”]Jesse Wheeler: The Kingdom of God, or Christians, or those who would seek to be citizens of the kingdom, cannot live in such a way that emulates the kingdoms of this world. What that entails is, I call it the proper use of power. It's not like physical versus spiritual as sometimes we try to kind of get. It's like, no, it's actually how we understand power and why Jesus through going to the cross, he was basically saying, “Okay, empire, the forces of violence and hatred and exploitation, give me your all.” And he took it to the cross and took it on the cross, and he rejected the violent option.[The song “Citizens” by Jon Guerra fades in. Lyrics: “I need to know there is justice/ That it will roll in abundance/ And that you're building a city/ Where we arrive as immigrants/ And you call us citizens/ And you welcome us as children home.” The song fades out.]Sy Hoekstra: Welcome to Shake the Dust, seeking Jesus, confronting Injustice. I'm Sy Hoekstra.Jonathan Walton: And I'm Jonathan Walton. We have a great show for you today, including an interview with another one of our authors from our anthology on Christianity and politics in the era of Trump. This one's on how regular Christians can discern between good and bad theology, and how we can see bad theology playing out in the Middle East. Plus afterwards, hear our thoughts on the interview, and we'll be doing our segment, Which Tab is Still Open, diving deeper into one of the recommendations from our newsletter. This week it's all about the Olympic opening ceremony controversy, trans athletes at the games and the White Christian persecution complex.Sy Hoekstra: [laughs]. We should probably say non-trans athletes at the Olympic Games.Jonathan Walton: I was literally about to be like, “and not?” [laughs] but…Sy Hoekstra: Yeah, that's part of the persecution complex. But we will get to that folks, don't worry. You will hear the whole story on how ridiculous it is. Before we get there, a quick reminder, please, everybody consider going to KTFPress.com and becoming a paid subscriber. We will not be able to continue doing this work beyond this election season if we do not get a lot more paid subscribers. So if you want to see this work continue, please go there and sign up. That gets you all the bonus episodes of this show. It gets you access to our monthly Zoom subscriber chats and more community features. So please KTFPress.com, become a paid subscriber.If you already are a paid subscriber, consider upgrading to a founding member level and please share widely with your friends and family to anyone who you think might be interested in joining our community here. Thank you so much all. All right Jonathan, tell everybody about our guest this week.Jonathan Walton: Yes, we have the amazing Jesse Wheeler. For almost three years, Jesse has served as executive administrator and development director for Friends of Sabeel North America, an interdenominational Christian organization seeking justice and peace in the holy land through education, advocacy, and nonviolent action. Prior to that, he served just shy of seven years in Beirut, Lebanon as a project's manager for the Institute of Middle East Studies at the Arab Baptist Theological Seminary. He also ran the Master of Religion in the Middle East and North African studies program, working also as support instructor for MENA history, politics and economics.He has served in Nazarene, evangelical free and Presbyterian churches, and he holds a PG certificate in baptistic histories and theologies from the University of Manchester, a master of divinity with an emphasis in Islamic studies from Fuller Theological Seminary and a BA in diplomatic in Middle Eastern history with a minor in political economics from the University of California Berkeley. Jesse's wife Heidi is Palestinian-American, and they have three amazing boys. Now, Jesse's essay in our anthology was called Bad Theology Kills: How We Justify Killing Arabs. We actually published that at one point on KTFPress.com, so we'll have the link in our show notes to that. And you can get the entire anthology with all 36 essays at Keepingthefaithbook.com. That link will also be in the show notes.Sy Hoekstra: So we did this interview like we did a lot of our interviews a few months ago, at this point [laughs]. We've been releasing these slowly. This one we did in April, which is relevant. I only say that now because we talk about Biden a decent amount, and when it comes to Palestine, which is what we're talking about when we mention Biden, there's not a lot of distance between Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.Jonathan Walton: Nope.Sy Hoekstra: So [laughs], I just wanted to note that up top so that you know that effectively all the content, all the things that we actually say on the subject don't really change given the candidate switch. But that disclaimer behind us, here we go with the interview with Jesse Wheeler.[the intro piano music from “Citizens” by Jon Guerra plays briefly and then fades out.]Jonathan Walton: Jesse Wheeler, thank you so much for being with us today on Shake the Dust. We really, really appreciate it.Jesse Wheeler: Yeah, no, thank you so much for having me. I'm really happy to be with you guys.How Everyday Christians Can Tell Good Theology from Bad TheologyJonathan Walton: Yeah. We were privileged to publish your essay in our anthology, and you gave us a relatively simple and accessible test for judging the value of the theology that we hear from leaders. Could you talk a little bit about the fruit test?Jesse Wheeler: Yeah. The fruit test, basically, it's taken straight from the Sermon on the Mount. It's no secret that there are different theological systems that exist in the world, different schools of thought, different ways of thinking, and it can be overwhelming, actually. And I'm even thinking of either my own context back when I was in seminary and sort of some of the destabilizing aspects of it, or when I was working at a seminary and working with students who are introduced to new ideas. And it can be overwhelming even epistemologically overwhelming when they're getting ideas that sort of might butt up against core ideas that maybe they were grown up with that are core parts of their identity. It can be very destabilizing.And this question of is there a way to distinguish good theology quote, from bad theology quote- unquote, if, I mean, those are very reductionist [laughs] the terminology itself, of course. But I think it comes straight from the Sermon on the Mount actually. And Jesus in the concluding sections of Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 7, Jesus gives this, “By your fruit you will recognize them.” How to tell true prophets from false prophets on the basis of their fruit. He doesn't necessarily say, go get a doctorate in systematic, [laughs] in dogmatics to determine whether they are… He's like, look at the fruit of what is happening.Jonathan Walton: Right.Jesse Wheeler: And it's for normal people too. This is like normal people without massive theology to say, “Hey, look at this. I see that the fruit of this is leading to hurt and harm and destruction, or the fruit of this is leading to healing and health and flourishing.” It's not to denigrate or dismiss theology. I mean, the title of my chapter is Bad Theology Kills. I think Theology is important.Jonathan Walton: ExactlyJesse Wheeler: [laughs] It's a litmus test for assessing theology. And right there, Jesus chapters five, six, and the first part of seven, he gives a whole list of instructions of teachings in the Sermon on the Mount, and then concludes with, “Therefore do to others what you would want others to do for you. This summarizes the law and the prophets,” which is of course, the scriptures. Basically saying, if you wanna know what the scriptures teach, what God is expecting of you, do for others. And even in other parts of the gospels, when people ask, “Oh, what's the greatest commandment?” And he comes back to, “Love the Lord your God,” it's the Shema.And then right on adds it, and your neighbor as yourself taking that from the Leviticus. And he's like, there you go. Basically says that and then immediately goes into this section on two roads, easy road and narrow road. And then right after that talks about the false prophets who will come, who might speak eloquently, lovely, and yet the fruit is rotten.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Jesse Wheeler: The fruit is rotten.Sy Hoekstra: Absolutely.Jonathan Walton: Yeah.Sy Hoekstra: Out of the three of us, I feel like I am the one in the position to most appreciate your point, that you don't need a big theological education to apply this test [laughs]. Because for me and for a lot of the people listening, if you don't have a master's in divinity like Jesse, you haven't been doing ministry and Bible studies and everything for years and years like Jonathan, the more you learn about how little as kind of lay people we know about the whole wide world of theological academics and whatever, the more you realize, I don't feel equipped [laughs]. And so this is, I think, like Jonathan said, it's accessible. It's something that the average person can apply and have some success [laughs] according to Jesus, trying to figure out what's good and bad.Theologies that Have Born Rotten Fruit in the Middle East and North AfricaSy Hoekstra: And then I would like to hear from you, in your work doing work with advocacy in churches in the MENA, in the Middle East and North Africa, sometimes abbreviated MENA region, what have you seen bearing bad fruit? What kinds of theologies have you seen bearing bad fruit?Jesse Wheeler: So, I mean, I could start with the three I listed in my chapter, but I think I kind of want to say like, there is so, so much misunderstanding and prejudice and straight up bigotry that's filtered through a theological system that attempts to justify it.Colonialist PaternalismJesse Wheeler: But I'm going to start with the three I listed in my chapter, and the first one, colonialist paternalism.Jonathan Walton: Yeah.Jesse Wheeler: It's a theology of colonial supremacy. Why one person gets to make the decisions for another person, gets to invade another country, gets to conquer, but it's couched in a paternalistic language, often. In a this is for your own good language.Jonathan Walton: Right.Jesse Wheeler: It's the, I'm not going to attempt to do the French, but the civilizing mission [laughs], hand in hand with the White man's burden from back in the 19th century of bringing our civilization, our Christianity, on one hand… I mean, sometimes it was the church and sometimes it was full on those modern secularists springing [laughs] their enlightened, was just, it was hand in hand with the colonial project too. And that's actually what muddies up the water sometimes in our discourses, especially on more left side of the aisle discourses [laughs].Sy Hoekstra: Yeah, absolutely.Jesse Wheeler: Because you go from there and you go into speaking right in the Middle East, right after World War I, when you had the three competing promises, you had deals, you had The Balfour Declaration on the one hand, you had Hussein McMahon promising the Arabs of the Hajj, the like the Hussein family, a state, an Arab state, if they would help fight against the Ottoman Turks. And then you had the Sykes-Picot which was basically France and Britain getting together and saying, “Okay, here's how we're going to divide up the spoils.” [laughs]Sy Hoekstra: And the Balfour Declaration was Britain's intent to make a Zionist state.Jonathan Walton: Right.Jesse Wheeler: Yeah. Basically a Zionist state in historic Palestine. And so, but you get into afterwards and you had the 14 points, and Wilson came in with, “Oh, we're gonna create a whole new world of peace and…”Sy Hoekstra: The League of Nations.Jesse Wheeler: The League of Nations, yeah. And the mandate system, like the fruit of 2that, where basically it's like Sykes-Picot. It's like Britain takes control, France takes control of Lebanon, Syria, Britain, Palestine, Jordan, Iraq, and they had Egypt too. So it's just, but it's couched in this language of, it's for your own benefit. We are here to provide guidance to these native populations who need to be trained in the ways of democracy.Jonathan Walton: It's framed as benevolence. Like this is a good thing.Jesse Wheeler: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's a good thing. It's like we are colonizing you for your good thing. Of course, land extraction, resource extraction [laughs], all of these marks of colonialism are part of this, right, but this is how it's justified, how it's sold, how it's…Sy Hoekstra: But the theology, like basically you're saying there were always churches and people propping up those colonialist ideas in the Middle East with basically the stamp of approval of the Bible or the church.Jesse Wheeler: Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. And it's not a total. I do need to make the point that sometimes the missionaries were very much… actually in the Middle East and in, or very much part of the colonial project, sometimes they actually would actually fight and counter the colonial project in certain ways, even though they were also facilitated by it. But yeah, these theologies, the colonialist paternalism. But to continue on, you have a theology of the Cold War developed almost of democracy and we'll bomb your entire country, but we will protect you from communism [laughs], you know.Jonathan Walton: Right.Jesse Wheeler: To very much part of my life, the war on terror. We're bringing democracy to the Middle East.Sy Hoekstra: Right. I was going to say that just sounds like George W. Bush, like everything that they were saying post World War I. It hasn't changed a lot.Jesse Wheeler: It has not. It has not. And so that's the first one.Henotheism: My Good God Will Defeat Your Bad GodJesse Wheeler: The second one in my book I describe as, I take this term from a scholar Joseph Cumming, he's a comparative theologian of Christianity and Islam, but he calls, he speaks of Henotheism.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Jesse Wheeler: Which is sort of your tribal deity. I don't want… people push back on using tribal as a negative, but sort of the sense of like God is our God and we are the holy ones, and their God is a demon, and we will defeat them and destroy them. And so I even take this quote again from this, the war and terror era where a general speaking about fighting this warlord, whatever, in North Africa, talking about, “We have God on our side, and their god's a demon, and that's why we're gonna win and be victorious.” And this is so much in situations of conflict and situations, you very much have this sense of, “we are the good, our God is the good, they're the evil. And so because they're so evil, any violence is justified against them.”Sy Hoekstra: And that dates like straight back to the crusades.Jonathan Walton: Yep.Jesse Wheeler: Oh, yeah. This is crusades [laughs]. Exactly. Exactly. It's a crusader theology, but it's also when you really dig into it and you ask, well, these are supposed monotheists. And isn't the whole point of monotheism that there's actually one God for everybody, and thus it's to turn the God of the cosmos, the monotheistic God into a territorial idol.Settler Colonialism/ZionismJesse Wheeler: I'll move on to the third one, which I think is very relevant in that what I listed as manifest destiny. But it's the settler colonial theology, where it's different from the colonialist paternalism, because this is really, it's a theology that justifies why I deserve to go into a land, remove the indigenous people and take it for my own, basically.Sy Hoekstra: Which is the difference between settler colonialism and like metropolis, distant ruler colonialism.Jesse Wheeler: Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And Jim Wallace, once he wrote, the most controversial statement I ever wrote talking about something he previously wrote was how America was founded on the genocide of one people and the enslavement of another. There was a time in my life where hearing words like that would be so deeply, deeply disorienting for me. My identity, my understanding of who I am. I think part of that discomfort, which is very real, because that's part of my background, and is I think what drives people to someone like Trump. Less the logic behind it, but the emotional, the emotions of feeling safe to have this champion on my side. But that's the simple truth. I mean [laughs], there's this belief that we are god's, we have this divine mandate to come into this new territory. And so I'm talking here about America, but of course this happened all over the world, actually. France and Algeria.Jonathan Walton: Right.Jesse Wheeler: That was so utterly destructive of traditional Algerian society. And France would even talk about, “Algeria is fully France. We are one.” And so I don't understand why these people are rebelling because we've given them democracy and freedom, when it's like, no, you've completely disrupted their entire civilization and ruled, but how it affects the news, you have the whole Charlie Hebdo incidents and these attacks in France. And this was violent murderous acts, yes. And morally they should be condemned, but you have to see them in their historical context [laughs] of this, the Algerian conflict. But South Africa, this was a deeply theological Dutch Calvinist movement. Even Argentina was a settler colonial context as well.Sy Hoekstra: I mean, most things in the Western hemisphere are [laughter].Jonathan Walton: Yeah.Jesse Wheeler: Yeah. No, you're absolutely right. But in a way of the natives were cleared out more.Sy Hoekstra: Oh, yes. I see what you're saying. Right. In Argentina, yes.Jesse Wheeler: Compared to like Brazil, just to the north. And then of course, Zionism is right in there with that. I think it's a theology that justifies why one group gets to come in and displace another group. And those three are three big ones.The Rotten Fruit of Colonialism and Zionism is on Both Sides of the Political AisleJonathan Walton: Yeah. I think those three, if we could hold them together as we press into the conversation, all of them are relevant. As we kind of move from the anthology into the present day. So in 2020 you wrote, “If our task is to examine the fruit and avoid falling prey to seductive rhetoric, it is crucial to note that from the vantage point of the Middle East, Republican drones don't look or act much differently than Democrat drones. Biden's record on the Iraq War or Israel-Palestine, while not as appalling or destructive as that of the Republicans is nevertheless quite bad. He's the only viable choice put before us on election day, yet we must remain vigilant in holding a potential Biden administration to account in the weeks, months, years that follow.”Now, I don't think any of us knew when you wrote that [laughs], how relevant, prophetic and important that last sentence would be. Especially when we talk about the settler colonial ideas that you just talked about, and the deep enmeshment and entanglement with Christian Zionism and the colonial state that is Israel. So, can you… I don't know how to say this just in a simple way. Can you tell us a little bit about what you've been up to with the Friends of Sabeel over the past several months, since October 7th? And what are your thoughts about the two candidates? Because they're the same [laughter], as we look towards the election in the Middle East now. And I will also say our thoughts and prayers are with your friends and family in Palestine.Jesse Wheeler: Thank you.Jonathan Walton: And we've been praying that they would be safe in Jesus' name.Jesse Wheeler: Yeah. No, thank you. I'm trying to think of where do I start digging in? First, my wife is Palestinian. Her family, still a lot of family in Bethlehem. My kids therefore are Palestinian. So I have a deep personal connection. And so to your listeners, knowing that [laughs] who is this guy? I definitely have a deep and emotional pull and connection to what's happening right now. But to go back to what you were first saying is, as you were reading that quote, that passage, and you had wrote, Biden is the only viable [laughs] candidate, my heart sank [laughs]. I'm like, “Ugh.” I understand why I said it at the time, but the listeners need to understand the depth of feeling of the pain, the sense of betrayal, especially amongst the Arab and Palestinian-American community and even wider Muslim community. The utter hurt that they felt in these last six months by everything that has happened.And so, it's so hard because Trump, just to get into the politics of, it's like I don't even need to say it. From my perspective, from where I stand, Trump is bad [laughs]. I mean, it's like he's out there saying, re-implement the Muslim ban and all completely bigoted and horrible. His son-in-law's talking about, “Oh, yeah, and there will be prime real estate in Gaza,” and [laughs].Sy Hoekstra: Yes. Right.Jesse Wheeler: You know, back to settler colonialism. And yeah, it's terrifying. But the thing about Biden, and here's where I just have to say, he will in one breath talk about the importance of combating anti-Arab bigotry and Islamophobia, and in the next breath give billion more dollars of armed shipments to a country that the International Criminal Court is saying in their legal language, is very plausibly in the midst of an active genocide [laughs]. I'm not a lawyer. Sy, you're the lawyer [Sy laughs]. And it's just the duplicity is what hurts. So KTF shaped, you talk of Christian nationalism a lot and the dangers of Trump, and that largely the anthology was digging into that. And I remember writing the idolatrous fruit is rotten. I mean, that is like, the man thinks he's Jesus, I mean, or… [laughs] It's just horrifying.Sy Hoekstra: But it's still there with Biden.Jesse Wheeler: It's still there.Sy Hoekstra: Right.Jesse Wheeler: It's like when you are connected to the Middle East, either via family or study, or I lived in Lebanon for seven years, when you're paying attention, it's very hard to cheerlead one political party versus another when it comes to the American presence in the Middle East, which has been incredibly destructive.Sy Hoekstra: And we have come back to that point that you made in your essay. If you listen to a lot of episodes of this show, you will have heard Jesse's name and this point brought up before [laughs].What Should the Political Witness of Christians Be?Jonathan Walton: Mm-hmm. You explained in the essay and just now, drones do not own political parties. The bombs that are dropping are the same. The impact they have is the same, devastation is the same. So the idea of the cross to so many people around the world, particularly in the Middle East, North Africa, the MENA region is a symbol of hatred and violence when it's supposed to be like the ultimate expression of God's holy love. We are recording this just after Easter, contemplating the death and resurrection of Jesus. To you, what should the political witness be of people who carry the cross of Jesus?Self-Sacrifice and a Rejection of Imperial ViolenceJesse Wheeler: Self-Sacrificial love. Quite simply what the cross represents. But at the same time, to dig into it a little more, the cross is what? It's a instrument of imperial violence, that's what it is. There's a reason Jesus died on the cross. It is ultimately a rejection of the Imperial way. Theologically, we need to talk a lot of the kingdom of God and how the kingdom of God exists as a direct challenge to the kingdoms of Pharaoh, of Babylon, of Caesar. And one of the brilliant things of the Hebrew scriptures of the Old Testament is the fact that it's also the kings of Israel and Judah [laughs], who become the Babylonian leaders. So you have the prophets who rail against the injustices of the Assyrians, but also look back at their own kings.And when Jesus comes proclaiming the kingdom of God, and when he comes before Pilate and he's brought before Pilate, what does this show right now? And I'm just pulling straight from N. T. Wright, so don't [laughs] pretend I'm like some great Bible scholar here. No. But you have Jesus, who is the representative of the kingdom of God standing before Pilate, who is the full legal representative of Caesar, son of God as they were known and called. And it's just a straight back and forth. And what does Jesus say? He says, my kingdom, there's the quote that always gets misinterpreted. So if you're talking politics and faith, my people say, my kingdom is not of this world. Well, people tend to say, oh, well, Jesus is, it's a spiritual kingdom.So all we do is sit and pray, and then you just let the world live as what empire, as injustice, like do we have nothing to say? No, he says it's more like, my kingdom is not from this world. It's not in kind to those kingdoms of this world, but it's very much in and for this world. Why?Jonathan Walton: Amen.Jesse Wheeler: Otherwise, Jesus says, going back to the garden, we just came through holy week, otherwise what? My disciples would've fought. They would've picked up arms, they would've become revolutionaries, they would've fought my arrest. They would've holed up in the mountains. They would have… So you have the kingdom, but going full back to the cross, kingdom by way of cross. So the kingdom of God cannot, or Christians, or those who would seek to be citizens of the kingdom, cannot live in such a way that emulates the kingdoms of this world. What that entails is, I call it the proper use of power. It's not like physical versus spiritual as sometimes we try to kind of get… It's like, no, it's actually how we understand power and why Jesus, through non-violence, through going to the cross, he was basically saying, okay, empire, the forces of violence and hatred and exploitation, give me your all.And he took it to the cross and took it on the cross, and he rejected the violent option. He did not take up the swords and the arms. He just said, just previously, those who live by the sword will die by the sword. And so that is the witness of the cross. It's self-sacrificial love. It's not this assertion of like, “Hey, this is mine. This is my space, this is my territory.” This is why, back to America, this is why the Christian nationalism is so idolatrous.Sy Hoekstra: We just had a, our March bonus episode, you're like hitting a bunch of our points, actually [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Yes. Keep going.Jesse Wheeler: Oh, no. Yeah. Thanks [laughs]. It's why it's so idolatrous, is because it's complete rejection of the way of Jesus. It's a complete rejection of what the cross is and what it's supposed to represent. I mean, scrolling through social media, I came across what this is like giant muscle Jesus breaking free from the cross. I'm like, no, that's the complete… no, the cross is the… Like Jesus says, you don't think… back in the garden, he says, you don't think I could call down angels? Call down [laughs] fire from heaven, and just like in an instant, make this all go away? He's like, “No, I'm going to the cross.” It's an example for us to follow.It Takes Faith in the Resurrection to Use Power Like JesusJesse Wheeler: And it's an article of faith. This is where people will come back and say, this is why it is hard for people, because it is a belief in the resurrection.Jonathan Walton: Yes.Jesse Wheeler: All the forces of death and all the things we do to avoid death. All the killing we do of others, the things we… all the hoarding of resources. All the things we do that we try to preserve ourselves and in the process hurt other people. And we build walls and we break them down. He's like, let it go. Let it go. Let it go. Go to the cross because the resurrection is happening. And it's hard for people because if you don't believe in resurrection, in a sense it's very difficult. But it is very much a faith stance and a faith position.The Roots of Sabeel in the Political Witness of Palestinian Liberation TheologyAnd going back to, you asked about Sabeel, you asked about where I work. So Sabeel is an organization founded by Palestinian-Christians out of the time of the first Intifada, the Palestinians uprising. Very much a movement, a spontaneous movement that didn't involve the PLO, which was largely external at the time, or the Palestine political leaders, and was a complete shock to many of the global leaders.And largely involved a lot of nonviolent direct-action, sort of creative actions, creative resistance and great violence actually was to try to throw it down in response. And yet, Naim Ateek, he was the founder of Sabeel, he wrote a book, published it 1989. It's called Justice and Only Justice, A Palestinian Theology of Liberation, basically started asking the question, how does our faith, our Christian faith, does it have anything to say to the situation, to us being under this violent, brutal occupation? And sort of the traditional, across the board, Orthodox Catholic, Protestant theologies weren't really saying much.So they started just, would preach there in St. George's Episcopal Church right in Jerusalem. And after the service, they'd kind of get together and start discussing. Like let's read a passage and let's think and just look. It's very much like you, if you think of the classic liberation theology in Latin America. The base communities just getting together. It's basically kind of got together and started thinking, but it grew from there to, so Naim Ateek sort of was the founder, but then it was really this core group that formed and they started inviting… because even back then, they're like, “We know the narrative imbalance that people are not hearing the Palestinian side of the story. Let's bring people and show them.”And they bring people, they show them, and immediately people are converted once they see the reality. People go on tours with the holy land all the time, they're highly curated and they don't go to those scary Palestinian areas. But the moment you enter Palestinian areas and are greeted with wonderful Arab hospitality and like [laughs]… But then here's what the reality of being under their military occupation is. And it is like, oh, I see it now. So people would go back and they founded, I work for Friends of Sabeel North America, but there's groups all over and it's been still going on. And then there's subsequent groups that have formed and other great partners too that we work with.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Jonathan Walton: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.Sy Hoekstra: Thank you so much for being here. I mean, you didn't just write for the book. You were an enormous help in actually getting it published. You did a ton of work for us, source checking and all kinds of other things. You were… and were not running around looking for credit for any of that. So you definitely had your head down and you were doing [laughs] what you needed to do to get the word out. And thank you so much for being here today to talk to us.Jesse Wheeler: Thank you for doing it. I mean, I was really proud to be.Jonathan Walton: Thank you so much, man.Jesse Wheeler: Thank you for having me. And thank you for your witness. I mean, Palestine is a wheat and chaff issue, and I feel like those who've really stood for the truth and stood for justice and stood for what's right in the face of so much that's wrong. And it's just been amazing to see the witness of you guys, and I just want to thank you for that. It's very, it means so much.Sy Hoekstra: No, thank you for everything you do as well. We so appreciate it, man.Jonathan Walton: Amen. Blessings on you and Friends of Sabeel. Amen.Jesse Wheeler: Thank you so much. Blessings to you guys.Jonathan Walton: Amen. Thanks.[the intro piano music from “Citizens” by Jon Guerra plays briefly and then fades out.]Jesse's Social Media and RecommendationsSy Hoekstra: You can find Jesse @intothenoisejsw on Instagram and Twitter. His organization, the Friends of Sabeel North America is at FOSNA.org, and those will both be in the show notes. And also, Jesse wanted us to mention another organization that just kind of had its grand opening over the summer after we recorded this interview. It's called the Institute for the Study of Christian Zionism. It's a really cool new organization with a lot of people involved who you may recognize if you're familiar with kind of the field of that particular branch of theology [laughs]. And basically, they want to be a one-stop shop, a hub, a go-to resource for everything related to fighting the heresy, as they call it, of Christian Zionism.And so, that you can find that organization at Studychristianzionism.org. We'll also put that in the show notes, obviously.Jonathan's and Sy's Reactions to the InterviewSy Hoekstra: Okay, Jonathan. After that interview, what are your thoughts?Jonathan Walton: Bad theology kills people.Sy Hoekstra: Yes. Uh-huh. It's not a joke.How We Resist Institutions Built to Protect and Reinforce LiesJonathan Walton: [Laughs] I think we need to lean into that and say it over and over and over again. We cannot divorce what we believe from what we do. Can't. They are intertwined with each other. And it's baffling to me that particularly American Christians, and this like runs a gamut like Black, White, Asian, Hispanic, native, all the things, how strongly we cling to, I believe this, I believe this, I believe this, how deeply committed we are, how there are institutions, there are studies and conversations, there are all these different things that are built up around things that are just not true. Like just the level of intricacy of every apparatus to hold together a lie is mind-boggling to me.And it is so effective that we can get caught up in all the details and never think about the impact, which is what I feel has happened. Like, oh, all I do is read these books. All I do is write these articles. All I do is do these podcasts. All I do is give money to this organization. All I do is pray. All I do is watch these documentaries. All I do is host these little dinners at my house. Not knowing at all that it is undergirding the bombing of Palestinians and the rampant Islamophobia and the destruction of Palestinian Christian life. Don't even know it because it's just an encased system. So I think for me, I'm reminded of the power of the gospel transformation because the gospel and liberation is also a complete process, just like colonization is and settler colonialism is.So I'm challenged because the next time I think to myself, I'm going to change the world. I'll remember this conversation and realize only Jesus can [laughs] do that. And I need to have just as robust of a theology and apparatus built around me and participating as a follower of Jesus as the forces that are hell bent on destroying people's lives. That was just a thing I've been holding onto, particularly as we were talking about Easter, as we are reflecting on the reality of the resurrection, we need a theology of life, abundance and liberation that is just as robust, just as supported, just as active and engaged as the theology of destruction that we have now.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah. The theology, specifically what he was talking about kind of toward the end about the use of power.Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: I had that same thought basically that you just said. Like the way that we use power via sacrifice as opposed to using power via dominance. Like that needs to be as emphasized as anything else in our Christian discipleship.Jonathan Walton: Yeah.Sy Hoekstra: Because it is just, it's so absent. You cannot insist to so many Western Christians that that aspect of our faith is as important as the stuff that we'll get into a minute about arguing about like sexuality or whatever [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: We have just so deprioritized these things that were so central to Jesus when he said things like, my kingdom was not of this world. So there's that.We Emphasize the Importance of Theology for the Wrong ReasonsSy Hoekstra: The other thing that I was thinking about was also related to what you just said, which is, you say bad theology kills, and we need to understand how important our theology is in that sense. But we also need to understand the way that our theology is important because we actually do think theology is really important just in the wrong way.Jonathan Walton: Yeah. Right.We think theology is really important for defining who is in and out of Christianity or just for having proper orthodoxy and that sort of thing, just to tick all the boxes to make sure that your beliefs are correct.Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: Which absolutely pales in comparison to the real reason that theology is important, which is it shapes our behavior, or it can shape our behavior [laughs]. Or it interacts with our behavior and they reinforce and shape each other in ways that create policies and government actions and whole social transformations and systems across the world [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: So yeah. That's what I am coming out of this thinking. We need to stay focused on. And I'm just so happy that there are people like Sabeel and others fighting in that way. And by the way, back on the point of how we exercise power and how important it is to exercise power in the way that Jesus did. Jesse actually wrote to us after the interview and said kind of, “Oh, shoot, there's a point that I forgot to make,” [laughs] that I wanted to bring up here, which is something that, so the founder of Sabeel, his name is Naim Ateek often raises, which is that, like Jesse said, Sabeel was founded after the first Intifada in 1987. But he says, there are two organizations that were founded out of that Intifada.One of them was Sabeel and the other was Hamas. And he said, basically just look at the two approaches [laughs]. There's armed insurrection and then there's non-violent direct action and education and advocacy and whatever. Like it is small what Sabeel is doing. It is certainly smaller than what Hamas is doing. And it is one of those things that probably to the rest of the world looks like it's less powerful, it's less effective. And like Jesse said, it is an article of faith to believe that that is actually the stronger way to go. You know what I mean? That is the more powerful road to take, even though it is the much more difficult one to take. And I just really wish that we could all have a faith like that.Jonathan Walton: Yes. Yes, and amen.Sy Hoekstra: Shall we get into Which Tab Is Still Open, Jonathan?Jonathan Walton: [laughs], all the tabs Sy. Let's go.Which Tab Is Still Open?: Christian Reactions to the OlympicsSy Hoekstra: All the tabs are still open. We're gonna talk about two stories that have to do with the Olympics, that also have to do with Western Christians [laughter], and how persecuted we feel.Jonathan Walton: Yeah.Sy Hoekstra: I'm just, let me quickly summarize what happened here. The details are very silly on the first one. You probably heard about this one, this is probably the more popular story. During the opening ceremonies of the Olympics, well, here's some background. The opening ceremonies to the Olympics are weird. They're always weird. They've always been weird [laughs]. I always come away from them thinking, “Wow, that was weird,” [laughter]. They usually include some kind of tribute to ancient Greece where the Olympics came from. And in this case, one of the things they did was a little tribute to the Festival of the Goddess Dionysus. Wait, goddess? Was Dionysus supposed to be a man or a woman?Jonathan Walton: A man. Dionysus is a man.Sy Hoekstra: [laughs] Okay.Jonathan Walton: No. Diana is a woman, but yeah.Sy Hoekstra: All right, fine [laughs]. So anyways, they had this staging of a feast, and the way it was staged with all of the people sitting at the table facing the audience and the cameras reminded a lot of Christians of the way that Leonardo da Vinci's Last Supper is staged with Jesus and all the disciples facing the painter [laughs]. But all of the, or not all, but the most of the people sitting at the table were drag queens. And so Christians took this as a massive insult, that people must be mocking the Last Supper and our religion and our beliefs about conservative traditional sexuality and et cetera. The Olympic organizers came out and said, “This had nothing to do with Christianity, we apologize for the offense. This was about Dionysus, and that was kind of it. We weren't talking about Christianity, but we're sorry if we offended you.”And that was the end of it. But basically Christians said, “We're being mocked, we're being persecuted, they hate us,” et cetera. Second story, a female boxer by the name of Imane Khelif was in a fight with an Italian female boxer and hit her pretty hard a couple of times. And then the Italian boxer quit and said that Khelif is a man who is a trans woman fighting in the women's competition in the Olympics. The only reason that this was a viable thing for the Italian woman to say was because in the year before that, at the 2023 World Championships, the International Boxing Association disqualified Khelif from the competition saying that she had elevated testosterone levels and that she had XY chromosomes and was in fact a man. So she failed the gender eligibility test.The reason this is a ridiculous thing for them to have said [laughs], is that Khelif was born assigned female at birth. Her birth certificate says she's a woman. She has lived her entire life as a woman, she has never claimed to be trans in any way. And they never published the results of the test. And they only came out and said that she had failed these gender eligibility tests after she defeated a previously undefeated Russian boxer. Why does that matter? Well, the president of the International Boxing Association is Russian, has moved most of the IBA's operations to Russia, has made the state-run oil company the main sponsor of these boxing events, has close ties to Putin, et cetera [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Yep.Sy Hoekstra: It has become a Russian propaganda machine. The International Boxing Association, the International Olympic Committee has actually cut ties with them, is no longer letting them run the World Championships or the Olympic games boxing tournaments. They have suffered from corruption, from match fixing by referees, lack of transparency in finances, et cetera. It is a big old mess, and they never published the results of these gender eligibility tests. And it is pretty clear that they were made up in order to preserve the undefeated title of a Russian favorite boxer [laughter]. So it's absolute nonsense is what I'm saying.Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: But that has not stopped anyone, including people like Elon Musk and JK Rowling from saying, “what we clearly saw here in the Olympics was a man punching a woman. And this is where you get when you follow the transgender agenda,” and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Obviously I just named, well, Rowling is a Christian, but lots of Christian leaders jumping on this same train. Jonathan, these were yours.Jonathan Walton: [exasperated exhale] These are mine.Sy Hoekstra: Why did you include these? You have been, I'll say you have been very focused on these, the Christian reaction to things going on in the Olympics has been on the brain for you. Why [laughs]?Fusing Faith with American PowerJonathan Walton: Because I think there's a couple things because bad theology kills people. Sy, we talked about this and like…Sy Hoekstra: Well, no, wait. How is this, explain the relation there, please.Jonathan Walton: Gladly. Gladly. So I think [laughs], I'm gonna read this quote by Andy Stanley who posted this after the Dionysus thing and then took it down because I think he realized the err of his ways. But I am grateful for the interwebs because somebody screenshot it. Here we go [Sy laughs]. “Dear France, the Normandy American Cemetery is the resting place of 9,238 Americans whose graves are marked by 9,238 crosses. American soldiers, who in most cases volunteered to come to your shores in your time of need. Their final prayers were to the God whose son you mocked in front of the entire world. It was during the very meal you went to such creative pains to denigrate, that Jesus instructed his followers to love one another and then define what he meant. Quote, greater love has no one than this, that one laid down his life for his friends, end quote. While you host the Olympic Games, remember your nation hosts 172.5 acre reminder of what love looks like. You don't just owe Christians an apology. You owe the West an apology.” End quote.Sy Hoekstra: It's so much Jonathan [laughs].Jonathan Walton: It is. That's a book. That is a book. It's called 12 Lies.Sy Hoekstra: That's your book, yeah [laughs].Jonathan Walton: And then it's an anthology that like [laughs] called Keeping the Faith, right? So that to me, and what's happened in this season of the Olympics has crystallized something for me that I think about. But these are such concrete, clear, succinct, edited examples of like, here is what happens when geopolitical power of the American apparatus is just completely inseparable, completely fused, completely joined together with the Jesus of empire.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Jonathan Walton: So much so that minutes after this ceremony was completed and broadcast, you have people with the language, you have people with the vocabulary, you have people with statistics. He's like, this is the number of crosses. That means he Googled something, he don't just know that.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah [laughs].Jonathan Walton: We are primed as… not me, because I'm not. But the White American church and folks affiliated and committed to White American folk religion, like this race-based, class-based, gender-based environmental hierarchy that dominates this false gospel of the merchant, the military and the missionary all coming together. Like that is just so frustrating to me. And it's not going to stop because the apparatus is in like, I feel like a full maturation right now because it is under threat and constantly being exposed. So what tab is still open for me is the reality that the people who are armed with a false gospel are finally being met online and in real life by people who are willing to challenge them.And so what was amazing to me was watching a Fox News segment where someone came on and said, “Hey, Imane Khelif was born a woman, is a woman. This is not a trans issue.” There are people willing to go on and say the things. There's an online presence of people willing to go online and say the things. And I think we have an articulation of faithful followers of Jesus who are willing not just to say this is wrong, but name the connection that when we have conversations about Christians being persecuted, boom, here's a picture of Christians actually being persecuted, Palestine. Right?Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Jonathan Walton: When we have conversations, oh, we are being persecuted and violence is being committed against us. No, no, no. Violence is actually happening to trans people at a staggering level. And it correlates with when we have these nonsensical conversations that actually create environments that are more dangerous for them in the bathroom, in schools and wherever they go. And so, I can have a conversation with someone and say—this was a real conversation—we have the luxury of having this conversation as people who are not involved directly, but we do not have the luxury of as followers of Jesus is not then following up and saying, “I was wrong.”So I had conversations about Imane Khelif with Christians who said, “You know what? Oh, I didn't know that. Let me go back and post something different. Let me post an apology. You know what, I see what you're saying. I clicked on the links. Yeah, we shouldn't be doing that. I'm gonna go and have a conversation with these people.” That to me is hopeful, and at the same time, I know that this will not stop because my mama would say, “When the lights come on, the roaches run everywhere.” I fully suspect that there will be more examples like this leading up to and beyond the election.Sy Hoekstra: Oh, for sure.Jonathan Walton: …as there is more light on the sheer nonsense that Andy Stanley and these other people are propagating on a regular basis.Christians Demonstrated How Christian Nationalism is Common and Acceptable in White ChurchesSy Hoekstra: And people who jumped on this by the way, were like, Ed Stetzer and people who are kind of like in the middle politically in America and in American politics at least. They're not Trumpers. These are regular Christians [laughs].Jonathan Walton: Right. And that's the thing that we talked about a few episodes ago. This is the soft Christian nationalism, socially acceptable American exceptionalism. All these things are totally normal, totally fine in quote- unquote. that normal Christianity.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah. And actually, so one of the things I want to emphasize about that thing you, that someone screenshotted from Andy Stanley, was that his idea of love in that post is like, I'm gonna sacrifice myself for you and then in exchange I get control over your culture so that you will not insult me.Jonathan Walton: Yes.Sy Hoekstra: Which is not the love of Jesus. The love of Jesus is laying down your life for your friends, period, end of story. Jesus laid down his life for people who have nothing to do with him. You know what I mean? Who can't stand him, who don't like him, whatever.Jonathan Walton: Who desired to kill him [laughs]. Right.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah, exactly. And did not demand then that they conform to his way. He let them go on their way.Jonathan Walton: Yes.Sy Hoekstra: The quote unquote love that says, all these soldiers at Normandy sacrificed, therefore you cannot insult us, is not Christian. Has nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus. And it does have everything to do with tying your faith to an empire that uses military might to demand conformity. That is colonizing faith, period.Jonathan Walton: Yes.Why White Christians Invent Enemies Where None ExistSy Hoekstra: That aspect of it then kind of plays into some of the stuff that I was thinking about it, which is that like if you are someone who has so fused your faith with dominance like that, then you are constantly looking for enemies who don't exist to come and defeat you because that's your way of living. You live by the sword. So it's almost like a subconscious, like you live by the sword, you expect to die by the sword. You live by cultural dominance, you expect people to culturally dominate you. So you're going to find insults against one European artist's rendering of a scene from the Bible where none exist. Just because they had drag queens you don't like.You are going to find trans women who don't exist [laughs] and argue that they are a sign of the things that are destroying the culture that you built in the West. And I just think that is so much more revealing of the people who say it than it is of anything that they were trying to reveal through what they said.Jonathan Walton: Absolutely. I wonder if there were followers of Jesus who when da Vinci painted what he painted, said, “This is not my savior.”Sy Hoekstra: I can think of one reason, but why would they have said that Jonathan?Jonathan Walton: [laughs] Because the Last Supper is a parody of an event in the scriptures. The reality is Jesus is not a Eurocentric figure sitting with flowing robes with people surrounding him. That's not how it happened. That's not how Passover looks[laughs]. So I mean, the reality of them being these American insurrectionist pastors who say, “You know what, we are going to get angry about a parody that isn't a parody, about a parody that we believe is actually sacred.”Sy Hoekstra: [laughs]. Well, okay. Calling the Last Supper parody I think is a little bit confusing.Jonathan Walton: No, the…Sy Hoekstra: Because I think da Vinci meant it the way that he… [laughs].Jonathan Walton: No, I'm sure da Vinci reflected his cultural reality on the scripture, which is something we all do.Sy Hoekstra: Right.Jonathan Walton: But to then baptize that image to be something that can be defiled and then demand capitulation because of our quote- unquote military might, those lines are bonkers to me. So I can be frustrated that I feel mocked, because that's a feeling, I feel mocked. But what should happen is we say, I feel mocked because I don't actually have cultural understanding and acuity to be able to differentiate my own emotional realities from the theology of the Bible when we don't have those skills. And actually we don't have that desire because we desire for them to be one and the same, like you said. I desire to feel affirmed and good and empowered all the time.And if that comes under any threat, then it's either the merchant, let's take money from you. Let's sanction you, let's get you out of the economic system so you cannot flourish in the way that we've defined flourishing to look. We will bring missionaries and people and set up institutions to devalue and debunk your own cultural narratives and spiritual things that you hold dear. And if that doesn't work, we'll just shoot you and make sure it does. Anyway, that's was more forceful than I expected it to be.Sy Hoekstra: [laughs] It wasn't for me because you keep putting these Olympics things in the newsletter and you keep telling me how frustrated you are about them, but it goes to stuff that is extremely important and I appreciate you bringing up and bringing us into this conversation.Outro and OuttakeSy Hoekstra: We have to go. You specifically have to leave in a couple minutes, so we're going to wrap things up here. Even though you and I could talk about this subject forever [Jonathan laughs]. Maybe Jonathan, maybe we'll talk about it more at the next monthly Zoom conversation.Jonathan Walton: Yes.Sy Hoekstra: …on August 27th that people can register for if they become paid subscribers at Ktfpress.com, which you all should please go do if you want to see this work continue beyond this election season, get access to all the bonus episodes of this show, the ability to comment, other community features like that. The anthology, again, is at Keepingthefaithbook.com, that's what Jesse wrote for and what 35 other authors wrote for trying to give us a faithful path forward as so much of the church idolizes Donald Trump and the power that he brings them in this particular political era. Our theme song is Citizens by Jon Guerra. Our podcast Art is by Robyn Burgess, transcripts by Joyce Ambale, editing by Multitude Productions. Thank you all so much for listening and we will see you in two weeks.Jonathan Walton: Bye.[The song “Citizens” by Jon Guerra fades in. Lyrics: “I need to know there is justice/ That it will roll in abundance/ And that you're building a city/ Where we arrive as immigrants/ And you call us citizens/ And you welcome us as children home.” The song fades out.]Jonathan Walton: The White Christian persecution complex. [Jonathan lets out a deep, croaky “Maaaaaaaah”].Sy Hoekstra: I really should have… what was that noise [laughter]?Jonathan Walton: I think it's appropriate [Sy laughs]. 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Jonathan and Sy get into:-        How a Trump Reelection would harm marginalized people, democracy, and creation-        How God's sovereignty and familiarity with suffering would get us through another Trump administration-        How both the oppression Biden's administration causes and US history give us helpful context for thinking about Trump-        How we can minimize the suffering of others by overreacting to Trump-        And a discussion about a recent highlight from our newsletter on prison slave labor in America's food industryResources Mentioned in the Episode-        Our YouTube video of Dr. Mika Edmondson on MLK's theology of suffering and sovereignty-        The essay from our anthology, “Bad Theology Kills” by Jesse Wheeler-        The AP's investigation into prison labor and the Food IndustryCredits-        Follow KTF Press on Facebook, Instagram, and Threads. Subscribe to get our newsletter and bonus episodes at KTFPress.com-        Follow host Jonathan Walton on Facebook Instagram, and Threads-        Follow host Sy Hoekstra on Mastodon-        Our theme song is “Citizens” by Jon Guerra – listen to the whole song on Spotify-        Our podcast art is by Robyn Burgess – follow her and see her other work on Instagram-        Production and editing by Sy Hoekstra-        Transcript by Joyce Ambale and Sy HoekstraIntroduction[An acoustic guitar softly plays six notes, the first three ascending and the last three descending – F#, B#, E, D#, B – with a keyboard pad playing the note B in the background. Both fade out as Jonathan Walton says “This is a KTF Press podcast.”]Jonathan Walton: I think there's a, there's just healthy, healthy gifts in Scripture when we remember that Jesus lived in an occupied territory by an empire that was ruthless, just like the United States. It's not a new thing to Jesus, it's not a new thing to God, which I'm really, really grateful for. Like our Savior understands. That's the reason he can say in scripture, “There will be wars and rumors of wars, let not your heart be troubled.”[The song “Citizens” by Jon Guerra fades in. Lyrics: “I need to know there is justice/ That it will roll in abundance/ And that you're building a city/ Where we arrive as immigrants/ And you call us citizens/ And you welcome us as children home.” The song fades out.]Jonathan Walton: Welcome to Shake the Dust, leaving colonized faith for the kingdom of God. I am Jonathan Walton.Sy Hoekstra: And I am Sy Hoekstra. We today, are going to be talking about the election coming at the end of 2024.Jonathan Walton: Lord Jesus…Sy Hoekstra: Of course, I'm talking about the election for New York City comptroller. No, I'm talking about the presidential election [laughter] in the United States of America. When it comes to season four of this show when we get started in a couple of months, we are going to be talking mostly, if not all, about the election. Kind of bringing on some guests that we think have a really good perspective, just really diving deep into this crucial subject for this time. And we thought it would be a good idea to give you, our lovely paid subscribers some perspective before we dive into that. Some of like where we are coming from when we think about the election.How important is it? What are the truly bad things that will happen if Trump gets reelected? And without minimizing any of the harm that will come if he is reelected, how can we sort of contextualize these issues within history and theology from the perspectives of marginalized voices, to give us just kind of a broader understanding of kind of the real consequences and really what's going on this year? So what happens if Trump gets reelected and how earth shaking is it [laughter]? That's effectively what we're talking about today. We will also be doing our new segment, which tab is still open, diving a little bit deeper into one of the recent highlights from our newsletter, in this case, is going to be my highlight, a massive AP investigation into prison labor, and how it supplies the food that is absolutely in your kitchen. If you didn't take a look at it, it will be in the show notes. It is a shocking one, and we're going to talk about that one a little bit more. But before we jump into the main discussion, Jonathan.Jonathan Walton: Yes, before we jump into anything, we just have one quick favor to ask of you. And that is, go to Apple or Spotify and give this show a five-star rating. It's a quick, easy, free way to support us and makes us look good, and other people look us up. So please go to Apple or Spotify, give us a five-star rating, and if you can, leave a review. It's just a super, super helpful way to support the show, and many of you have done it. And so there's an unlimited invitation to this party [Sy laughs]. So please do give us a five-star rating, write a review. We really, really, really appreciate it. Thanks so much in advance.A Trump Reelection would Multiply the Harm We Do to Marginalized PeopleSy Hoekstra: Alright, let's jump into it. I know that both of us think this election is really important. But I also know that we both have some historical and theological perspective that might somewhat ironically, maybe make us think that it's a less earth-shaking election than other people might. But I just wanted to start by talking about what will happen. Why is this election important? If Trump gets reelected, Jonathan, what will happen and why does it matter?Jonathan Walton: Yeah, actually, as I've been thinking about this question, I think that the reason that it's important, are the reasons that have always been important. It's just a problem at a fire when someone has kerosene, and it's just walking around, throwing it everywhere. Right?Sy Hoekstra: Yeah.Jonathan Walton: And so it's like, it is not untrue that the United States has, it has been and has baked in racist, bigoted, misogynistic frameworks into our entire systems and structures. It was intentional, and it is still working very strong and well today. That has always been true. What changes, I think, is how these systems and structures impact a lot of the vulnerable people. And if you vote for Donald Trump, or lean into the things that he normalizes as everyday practices, that is a profound problem for the most vulnerable people in our country. We are living in the wake of significant cultural, political, theological and demographic change in the United States, and to have a president that explicitly endorses exploitation and militarism and hyper-capitalism, then we have a serious problem.The things that I am hopeful do not happen is the expressed situational, like contextualized things in our time and culture, which again, I'm not saying they haven't happened before. I'm not saying that they're more unique than other things that have happened before. What I am saying, is we're living in this moment, and we have an opportunity as best as we possibly can to push back against systems that oppress, abuse and violate. And one of the ways to do that is to not vote for someone who's going to do and say things that cause oppression and violence and abuse to be multiplied the world over, because he sits in the most quote- unquote, “powerful” seat in the country. So Sy, that was a lot from me. What do you think about this election, and why is it important to you?Sy Hoekstra: Yeah, so I think this question for me, is the one that I kind of want to answer a little bit talking more to marginalized people than not. And then the kind of like get some broader, bigger perspective questions that we're going to ask in a minute, are kind of the things that I think need to be directed towards people who come from the dominant side of a hierarchy, right? Like, right now I'm talking to people who are not white, instead of me talking to white people. Right now I'm talking to people I think, mostly who are disabled, and I'll be talking to able bodied people in a minute. And the reason I say that is like, I think this question of why is this important, primarily for me is like acknowledging all the things that have happened to marginalized people in his first term, and that will happen again, if he's reelected.So, for instance, because I'm married to an attorney who was working in immigration during the first Trump term, and because I have a good friend who applied for asylum just before Trump was elected, I saw kind of firsthand, like a lot of the very kind of small administrative things that Trump did in the immigration system that had a huge effect on the lives of just like hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people that kind of went under the radar, just because they weren't flashy. I don't know how much you remember—how much you've put your memories of the Trump administration out of your mind for your own sort of mental peace. But there was so much stuff going on every day. Like he would say something new that was absurd, that topped the absurd thing he said yesterday, and proposed some new ridiculous policy and whatever.So a lot of things just like went under the radar that were small. And I'll give you an example. One was this woman I know who applied for asylum just toward the end of Obama's presidency. Had like an absolutely open and shut case for asylum. There's no question ever that she was going to be granted it. She was a woman from Iran who converted to Christianity and basically became a women's rights advocate. She's not going back to Iran. So she—without being persecuted, it's open and shut asylum. So she comes here and applies, and then just as, like she's kind of work… you know, it takes a while to get your asylum application granted, but it doesn't take as long as it took her.Because what happened was, Trump, in his efforts to deter as many people from coming here as possible, did this thing where he said we're going to process all of the applications that have been filed most recently first, and then we're going to make our way back towards the applications that were filed, sort of in the past. So she was making her way through the line through the processing thing, and then all of a sudden, the line flipped, and she was at the end again. So it took eight years to process her asylum application, which was unheard of previous to the Trump administration. And that just like left her in a state of limbo and uncertainty, it makes it, there's all kinds of things that are just harder when you haven't been granted that when you can't be moving on your path towards citizenship. There's all kinds of bureaucratic things that are complicated, and it just put her forever wondering whether she was going to be able to stay in this new place that she had made her home. And that's like one example of so many different things that happened.The worst things that we've been seeing at the state level are going to be amplified if Trump gets reelected. Meaning, think about like the DeSantis takeover of public schools in Florida. Like just anything to do with talking about race in history, or gender or sexuality, those things are going to be stamped out as vigorously as possible by the federal government. The violence towards immigrants on the Texas border that we've written about in the newsletter a couple of times, like the ways that Greg Abbott is just like actively killing people who try and cross the river into Texas.The way that he and Ron DeSantis are trafficking immigrants to Blue cities for like a political stunt. All that kind of stuff would be approved of and encouraged by the head executive of the country. Everything we're seeing about don't talk about…the attempts to completely erase queer people from our public education system, attempts to ban even like life-saving abortions. All that kind of stuff, the President would be behind all of it, and that is quite scary.Trump Will Undermine Democracy, Damage Creation, and Embolden People with the Worst IdeasThere will be I think increased attempts to undermine democratic norms and processes. Obviously, he did that in his first term. He will be maybe better at it. I mean, it's hard to tell, right [Jonathan laughs]? He's still, he's the same blustering guy that he was before. And there are some things that he's proposing doing that he would absolutely never be able to do, that the President doesn't have the power to do.But you know that he's going to undermine as many norms as possible to get whatever he wants. You know that if he loses this time, there will be election violence. I mean, I would be willing to bet that at some point, he goes, “Hey, about those term limits [laughs], what do we think of those still?” And his supporters are going to say, “Get rid of them,” and he will try. Again, not something he has the power to do, but that doesn't mean that there won't be violence if he can't do it. I mean, these are all totally realistic possibilities. And then foreign policy is just going to go off the rails. Can you imagine what would be happening right now in Gaza, if Israel had the full-throated support of the American President to do whatever they want to fight terrorism, which is absolutely what he would do. Right? I mean, it would be… like not that it's not terrible now, it's horrifying now, it would be on a whole different scale if Trump was president. Because ultimately, as we've discussed in the newsletter, like what the American president says are the guardrails of Israel's military operations, are in fact the guardrails of Israel's military operations. We sort of define how far they can go or Western powers defined how far they can go. That's always been the case.Jonathan Walton: Yeah.Sy Hoekstra: The environmental situation will get way worse, he's promised a ton more drilling. He's said he's going to pull out of the Paris Accord, which is the big multinational treaty about climate change that exists right now. It needs strengthening, but it's the one that exists. So basically, everything I'm saying is, the reason that it's important. The reason that it's going to be bad if he gets reelected, is because it will negatively affect actual people. Actual, marginalized people will be hurt. And the creation, like God's creation will be damaged. And the line that I do want to draw there a little bit for the clarity of our thinking is, that's the problem.The problem isn't that he will degrade America's greatness or whatever. He will harm like, he may hasten the decline of America, but America to me is not like theologically or morally significant, except insofar as it contains people. It contains people…Jonathan Walton: Exactly, yeah.Sy Hoekstra: …who bear the image of God, and the creation that God made and wants us to steward. So I think that's worth keeping in mind as well. Do you have any other thoughts? There's a lot from… Now, you did a lot from you, and I did a lot from me. Do you have any thoughts?Jonathan Walton: [laughs] Well, I think what you said put hands and feet to what I was thinking. Like naming specific policies that will violate and destroy the image of God and people downstream of the American empire. And the American empire looks like what's happening in Palestine. Looks like what's happening in the Congo. Looks like what's happening in neighborhoods in New York City, and around the country where kids won't be able to get books because they will pull the funding from the library. They will have made sure that these school boards would be completely flipped because the bully pulpit as they say, the presidency, as you said, full-throatedly endorses a race-based, class-based, gender-based environmental hierarchy that makes sure things run a certain way.Sy Hoekstra: Yeah, the importance of him just emboldening people can't really be understated. I mean, it's like a little bit hard to remember now, but 8, 10 years ago, we were not regularly talking about the Klan, or the Proud Boys or like the QAnon or whatever. Any of these alt right things that have cropped up since he basically made it okay to have their views and be at least around mainstream politics, right?Jonathan Walton: Right.Sy Hoekstra: I mean, you just, I don't know. There are so many people now who on their TV shows will have, who never would have done this before. Now, I feel like they have to have somebody who just has the absolute worst views you can imagine about whoever, to come in and comment like a really serious commenter because that's the environment that Trump has created. That's the people have been emboldened by him.Jonathan Walton: Yes, absolutely.Trump's Reelection Is not the End of the WorldTrump Isn't God, and Jesus Knows the Suffering of OppressionSy Hoekstra: Okay. So let's pivot to some caveats or some ways that we think about another Trump presidency, from a broader perspective. Not at all trying to minimize any of the harm that we just detailed, but Trump isn't the only thing in the world that causes harm to marginalized people or to people in general. So maybe put it this way, Jonathan: would a second Trump term be the apocalypse?Jonathan Walton: [laughs] No.Sy Hoekstra: Why not Jonathan?

Jesse Wheeler kicks off our new sermon series on prayer by teaching us the Lord's prayer within the context of Jesus' time period and how we can apply it to how we pray today.For more information about Bridges Community Church, check out our digital bulletin at: https://linktr.ee/bridgescc.org

In this podcast, Jonathan Kuttab and Jesse Wheeler talk about some of the ideas behind and history of Zionism and Christian Zionism. They explain how the Palestinian identity became a political statement and how Palestinians are perceived by the world and they offer a new framework to think about the issue and work for peace as followers of a “crucified king”.Please refer to this page for Regent College's official statement on the recent violence in Israel and Palestine.Thanks for listening!Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, and Youtube.To learn more about Regent College and our upcoming courses, visit: https://www.regent-college.edu

We apologize for the delay on last week's sermon. Jesse Wheeler speaks on King Solomon, and the struggle between honoring God versus our own selfish desires.For more information about Bridges Community Church, check out our digital bulletin at: https://linktr.ee/bridgescc.org

Every spring, we see a lot of broken water lines when people turn on their sprinklers. Today, Jesse Wheeler is In The House with Mike to discuss why turning your sprinklers on can break your water line. We'll also go over how to check for leaks in your water line and the solutions available.

An email to the Cabin mailbox from Trent University in Peterborough Ontario has awakened the oft-stimulated conspiracy brain of Jesse Wheeler. Sasquatch, anybody?

A quick look around popular dog-walking areas in Yellowknife reveals varying degrees of the spring melt phenomenon known as, "Poopocalypse." And we take our first trip deep inside the Iron Mountains to check on Jesse Wheeler, as his mandatory isolation continues...

In this episode of Medtech Matters, a podcast focused on the medical device manufacturing industry and the factors impacting it, we speak with Dr. Jesse Wheeler, head of MedTech and Analytics at Draper, a not-for-profit engineering innovation company. He explains what organization does and how its projects can help to improve medical devices. His latest project involves the development of an ECG sensing technology that does not require contact with the patient. Specifically, we pose the following questions to him. First can you tell us a little about Draper and what you do?I understand you’re developing a noncontact sensor to replace traditional ECG technology. How does it work and why could it be a better alternative?Beyond the hospital, where could technology such as this enable ECG monitoring?Are there additional applications possible leveraging this technology?What are the obstacles remaining to getting this technology to market? Listen to this episode and see what you think of Draper and its non-contact ECG sensor. If you’d like to share thoughts, ask questions, or suggest a future participant for Medtech Matters, please reach out to me at sfenske@rodmanmedia.com. Listen to the podcast streaming via the player or get the podcast on the Medtech Matters channel via your preferred vendor of podcasts, such as Apple Podcasts (iTunes) or Spotify.

This week we ask ourselves, "If we could only play 10 games for the rest of time, what would they be?" - And then we answered it in this episode.  And the lists might surprise you.  We had very little overlap which means you get nearly 30 games worth of ideas in case you ever find yourself stranded on Mars with the perfect gaming group and have the foresight to order a bunch of board games before that happens. Want to be a spectator while we record over zoom?  Then join us!  You can get all the info at tabletopgametalk.com/live.  There you'll find our next recording time (typically Mondays at 8:30pm central) as well as the zoom link to use to join us. If you want to read the credits, send an mp3 (or similar audio file) of you reading the following names. (feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com, subject: CREDITS) Adam Harrison, The Gift of Games, Jason Strong, Terrence Miltner, Steven Sites, Brian Arnold, Sean P Kelley, CMarie, Rudy Loo, Benjamin Haim-o-witz, Jerry Hwong, Caleb O'Brien, Jennifer Engelbrecht, Justin Willard, Christopher Dong, Jason Marks, Jeremey Fischer, David Radtke, Nick Kuikstra, David Sellers, Jason Rodney, Michael Yanikowski, Myles Clark, Cindy Lum, Phil Swartzell, Anne Reynolds, Eric Huffman, Adrienne Dong, Faz Flintham, Sean Peck, Eric See-lander, Mike Smith, Joe Hoover, Glenn Cotter, Jesse Walkoviak, Don Gilstrap, Steven Judd, Leane Verhulst, Christopher Letko, John Lewis, Joe Rakstad, Ron Nelson, Sahara Wentworth, Weatherman Keef, Nicholas Lotts, Agnes Toth, Paul Raymer, Jimothy, Matthew Droke, Aaron Moore, Jesse Wheeler, Charles Pearson, David Rank, Sam Lacet-Brown, and Christopher Comstock. Email us at feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com - for questions and feedback. Follow us on twitter http://twitter.com/TabletopGameTLK http://twitter.com/GameMasterChris http://twitter.com/LawfulGoodMom http://twitter.com/NetFletch or Facebook http://www.facebook.com/TabletopGameTalkPodcast Chris's facebook (let him know you're a listener in the friend request): https://www.facebook.com/steele22374 Join the conversation on Board Game Geek http://TabletopGameTalk.com/bgg Support us via Patreon http://TabletopGameTalk.com/Patreon

This week we look back at the gaming milestones in the last 120 years.  Well at least Chris's take on those milestones.  We also talk about raw fish.  Chris does one of the worse outros ever, while Adrian Paterson does one of the best reading of the credits ever and doesn't even get credit for it in the episode.  We'll fix that in episode 200 - which is being recored live in 2 days (Thursday, June 18th, 2020).  You can join us live by reading the next paragraph... Want to be a spectator while we record over zoom?  Then join us!  You can get all the info at tabletopgametalk.com/live.  There you'll find our next recording time (typically Mondays at 8:30pm central) as well as the zoom link to use to join us. If you want to read the credits, send an mp3 (or similar audio file) of you reading the following names. (feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com, subject: CREDITS) Adam Harrison, The Gift of Games, Jason Strong, Terrence Miltner, Steven Sites, Brian Arnold, Sean P Kelley, CMarie, Rudy Loo, Benjamin Haim-o-witz, Jerry Hwong, Caleb O'Brien, Jennifer Engelbrecht, Justin Willard, Christopher Dong, Jason Marks, Jeremey Fischer, David Radtke, Nick Kuikstra, David Sellers, Jason Rodney, Michael Yanikowski, Myles Clark, Cindy Lum, Phil Swartzell, Anne Reynolds, Eric Huffman, Adrienne Dong, Faz Flintham, Sean Peck, Eric See-lander, Mike Smith, Joe Hoover, Glenn Cotter, Jesse Walkoviak, Don Gilstrap, Steven Judd, Leane Verhulst, Christopher Letko, John Lewis, Joe Rakstad, Ron Nelson, Sahara Wentworth, Weatherman Keef, Nicholas Lotts, Agnes Toth, Paul Raymer, Jimothy, Matthew Droke, Aaron Moore, Jesse Wheeler, Charles Pearson, David Rank, Sam Lacet-Brown, and Christopher Comstock. Email us at feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com - for questions and feedback. Follow us on twitter http://twitter.com/TabletopGameTLK http://twitter.com/GameMasterChris http://twitter.com/LawfulGoodMom http://twitter.com/NetFletch or Facebook http://www.facebook.com/TabletopGameTalkPodcast Chris's facebook (let him know you're a listener in the friend request): https://www.facebook.com/steele22374 Join the conversation on Board Game Geek http://TabletopGameTalk.com/bgg Support us via Patreon http://TabletopGameTalk.com/Patreon

This week we talk about watching other people play tabletop games.  What are the various ways they are presented?  What do we like best?  Should Chris finally play a game on YouTube for all to see?  Watch (listen) to this and more in the next episode (this one) of Tabletop Game Talk.  [You may skip this add in 5 seconds.] Want to be a spectator while we record over zoom?  Then join us!  You can get all the info at tabletopgametalk.com/live.  There you'll find our next recording time (typically Mondays at 8:30pm central) as well as the zoom link to use to join us. If you want to read the credits, send an mp3 (or similar audio file) of you reading the following names. (feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com, subject: CREDITS) Adam Harrison, The Gift of Games, Jason Strong, Terrence Miltner, Steven Sites, Brian Arnold, Sean P Kelley, CMarie, Rudy Loo, Benjamin Haim-o-witz, Jerry Hwong, Caleb O'Brien, Jennifer Engelbrecht, Justin Willard, Christopher Dong, Jason Marks, Jeremey Fischer, David Radtke, Nick Kuikstra, David Sellers, Jason Rodney, Michael Yanikowski, Myles Clark, Cindy Lum, Phil Swartzell, Anne Reynolds, Eric Huffman, Adrienne Dong, Faz Flintham, Sean Peck, Eric See-lander, Mike Smith, Joe Hoover, Glenn Cotter, Jesse Walkoviak, Don Gilstrap, Steven Judd, Leane Verhulst, Christopher Letko, John Lewis, Joe Rakstad, Ron Nelson, Sahara Wentworth, Weatherman Keef, Nicholas Lotts, Agnes Toth, Paul Raymer, Jimothy, Matthew Droke, Aaron Moore, Jesse Wheeler, Charles Pearson, David Rank, Sam Lacet-Brown, and Christopher Comstock. Email us at feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com - for questions and feedback. Follow us on twitter http://twitter.com/TabletopGameTLK http://twitter.com/GameMasterChris http://twitter.com/LawfulGoodMom http://twitter.com/NetFletch or Facebook http://www.facebook.com/TabletopGameTalkPodcast Chris's facebook (let him know you're a listener in the friend request): https://www.facebook.com/steele22374 Join the conversation on Board Game Geek http://TabletopGameTalk.com/bgg Support us via Patreon http://TabletopGameTalk.com/Patreon

This week we talk about painting miniatures.  Mostly about board game miniatures, but D&D and Warhammer do make their way into the conversation.  No, no, we're not trying to teach you how to paint over a podcast.  But we will talk about the advantages of painting your miniatures as well as the draw backs. To see the minis Chris is referencing in this episode, you can go to his titter page: https://twitter.com/gamemasterchris Want to be a spectator while we record over zoom?  Then join us!  You can get all the info at tabletopgametalk.com/live.  There you'll find our next recording time (typically Mondays at 8:30pm central) as well as the zoom link to use to join us. If you want to read the credits, send an mp3 (or similar audio file) of you reading the following names. (feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com, subject: CREDITS) Adam Harrison, The Gift of Games, Jason Strong, Terrence Miltner, Steven Sites, Brian Arnold, Sean P Kelley, CMarie, Rudy Loo, Benjamin Haim-o-witz, Jerry Hwong, Caleb O'Brien, Jennifer Engelbrecht, Justin Willard, Christopher Dong, Jason Marks, Jeremey Fischer, David Radtke, Nick Kuikstra, David Sellers, Jason Rodney, Michael Yanikowski, Myles Clark, Cindy Lum, Phil Swartzell, Anne Reynolds, Eric Huffman, Adrienne Dong, Faz Flintham, Sean Peck, Eric See-lander, Mike Smith, Joe Hoover, Glenn Cotter, Jesse Walkoviak, Don Gilstrap, Steven Judd, Leane Verhulst, Christopher Letko, John Lewis, Joe Rakstad, Ron Nelson, Sahara Wentworth, Weatherman Keef, Nicholas Lotts, Agnes Toth, Paul Raymer, Jimothy, Matthew Droke, Aaron Moore, Jesse Wheeler, Charles Pearson, David Rank, Sam Lacet-Brown, and Christopher Comstock. Email us at feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com - for questions and feedback. Follow us on twitter http://twitter.com/TabletopGameTLK http://twitter.com/GameMasterChris http://twitter.com/LawfulGoodMom http://twitter.com/NetFletch or Facebook http://www.facebook.com/TabletopGameTalkPodcast Chris's facebook (let him know you're a listener in the friend request): https://www.facebook.com/steele22374 Join the conversation on Board Game Geek http://TabletopGameTalk.com/bgg Support us via Patreon http://TabletopGameTalk.com/Patreon

We did it!  We finished your questions - well mostly anyway.  And we gave away another gift card and made promises that we hope to be able to keep... Want to be a spectator while we record over zoom?  Then join us!  You can get all the info at tabletopgametalk.com/live.  There you'll find our next recording time (typically Mondays at 8:30pm central) as well as the zoom link to use to join us. If you want to read the credits, send an mp3 (or similar audio file) of you reading the following names. (feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com, subject: CREDITS) Adam Harrison, The Gift of Games, Jason Strong, Terrence Miltner, Steven Sites, Brian Arnold, Sean P Kelley, CMarie, Rudy Loo, Benjamin Haim-o-witz, Jerry Hwong, Caleb O'Brien, Jennifer Engelbrecht, Justin Willard, Christopher Dong, Jason Marks, Jeremey Fischer, David Radtke, Nick Kuikstra, David Sellers, Jason Rodney, Michael Yanikowski, Myles Clark, Cindy Lum, Phil Swartzell, Anne Reynolds, Eric Huffman, Adrienne Dong, Faz Flintham, Sean Peck, Eric See-lander, Mike Smith, Joe Hoover, Glenn Cotter, Jesse Walkoviak, Don Gilstrap, Steven Judd, Leane Verhulst, Christopher Letko, John Lewis, Joe Rakstad, Ron Nelson, Sahara Wentworth, Weatherman Keef, Nicholas Lotts, Agnes Toth, Paul Raymer, Jimothy, Matthew Droke, Aaron Moore, Jesse Wheeler, Charles Pearson, David Rank, Sam Lacet-Brown, and Christopher Comstock. Email us at feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com - for questions and feedback. Follow us on twitter http://twitter.com/TabletopGameTLK http://twitter.com/GameMasterChris http://twitter.com/LawfulGoodMom http://twitter.com/NetFletch or Facebook http://www.facebook.com/TabletopGameTalkPodcast Chris's facebook (let him know you're a listener in the friend request): https://www.facebook.com/steele22374 Join the conversation on Board Game Geek http://TabletopGameTalk.com/bgg Support us via Patreon http://TabletopGameTalk.com/Patreon

This week we try and answer seven pages of your questions.  We fail.  So this is only part one.  Mostly we answer game related questions but we do touch a bit on what we miss from before the lockdown as well as a conversation on toilets... Want to be a spectator while we record over zoom?  Then join us!  You can get all the info at tabletopgametalk.com/live.  There you'll find our next recording time (typically Mondays at 8:30pm central) as well as the zoom link to use to join us. If you want to read the credits, send an mp3 (or similar audio file) of you reading the following names. (feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com, subject: CREDITS) Adam Harrison, The SGC, The Gift of Games, Jason Strong, Terrence Miltner, Steven Sites, Brian Arnold, Sean P Kelley, CMarie, Rudy Loo, Benjamin Haim-o-witz, Jerry Hwong, Caleb O'Brien, Jennifer Engelbrecht, Justin Willard, Christopher Dong, Jason Marks, Jeremey Fischer, David Radtke, Nick Kuikstra, David Sellers, Jason Rodney, Michael Yanikowski, Myles Clark, Cindy Lum, Phil Swartzell, Anne Reynolds, Eric Huffman, Adrienne Dong, Nate, Faz Flintham, Sean Peck, Eric See-lander, Mike Smith, Joe Hoover, Timothy Gross, Glenn Cotter, Jesse Walkoviak, Gregory Huber, Don Gilstrap, Steven Judd, Leane Verhulst, Christopher Letko, John Lewis, Joe Rakstad, Ron Nelson, Sahara Wentworth, Weatherman Keef, Nicholas Lotts, Agnes Toth, Paul Raymer, Jimothy, Matthew Droke, Aaron Moore, Jesse Wheeler, Charles Pearson, David Rank, Sam Lacet-Brown, and Christopher Comstock. Email us at feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com - for questions and feedback. Follow us on twitter http://twitter.com/TabletopGameTLK http://twitter.com/GameMasterChris http://twitter.com/LawfulGoodMom http://twitter.com/NetFletch or Facebook http://www.facebook.com/TabletopGameTalkPodcast Chris's facebook (let him know you're a listener in the friend request): https://www.facebook.com/steele22374 Join the conversation on Board Game Geek http://TabletopGameTalk.com/bgg Support us via Patreon http://TabletopGameTalk.com/Patreon

This week we talk about scenario games.  Without defining exactly what a scenario game is.  Is there something about these kinds of games that cause us not to want to repeat a scenario?  What if we added scenarios to games without scenarios, would that change how we look at the base game?  Are scenarios a boon or a bust? David and Sam - Sorry!! We missed your names in the credits, they will be there next week, promise! Want to be a spectator while we record over zoom?  Then join us!  You can get all the info at tabletopgametalk.com/live.  There you'll find our next recording time (typically Mondays at 8:30pm central) as well as the zoom link to use to join us. If you want to read the credits, send an mp3 (or similar audio file) of you reading the following names. (feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com, subject: CREDITS) Adam Harrison, The SGC, The Gift of Games, Jason Strong, Terrence Miltner, Steven Sites, Brian Arnold, Sean P Kelley, CMarie, Rudy Loo, Benjamin Haim-o-witz, Jerry Hwong, Caleb O'Brien, Jennifer Engelbrecht, Justin Willard, Christopher Dong, Jason Marks, Jeremey Fischer, David Radtke, Nick Kuikstra, David Sellers, Jason Rodney, Michael Yanikowski, Myles Clark, Cindy Lum, Phil Swartzell, Anne Reynolds, Eric Huffman, Adrienne Dong, Nate, Faz Flintham, Sean Peck, Eric See-lander, Mike Smith, Joe Hoover, Timothy Gross, Glenn Cotter, Jesse Walkoviak, Gregory Huber, Don Gilstrap, Steven Judd, Leane Verhulst, Christopher Letko, John Lewis, Joe Rakstad, Ron Nelson, Sahara Wentworth, Weatherman Keef, Nicholas Lotts, Agnes Toth, Paul Raymer, Jimothy, Matthew Droke, Aaron Moore, Jesse Wheeler, Charles Pearson, David Rank and Sam Lacet-Brown. Email us at feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com - for questions and feedback. Follow us on twitter http://twitter.com/TabletopGameTLK http://twitter.com/GameMasterChris http://twitter.com/LawfulGoodMom http://twitter.com/NetFletch or Facebook http://www.facebook.com/TabletopGameTalkPodcast Chris's facebook (let him know you're a listener in the friend request): https://www.facebook.com/steele22374 Join the conversation on Board Game Geek http://TabletopGameTalk.com/bgg Support us via Patreon http://TabletopGameTalk.com/Patreon

This week we talk about liking the idea of board games more than the actual playing of board games.  Does this lead to giant collections with little desire to actually pull them off the shelf and play them?  Is a game unplayed more valuable than a game played?  All this and more! Oh, and for questions, email us at feedback@tabletopgametalk.com (Here's a link to the article mentioned: https://www.fastcompany.com/90275343/why-you-should-surround-yourself-with-more-books-than-youll-ever-have-time-to-read) Want to be a spectator while we record over zoom?  Then join us!  You can get all the info at tabletopgametalk.com/live.  There you'll find our next recording time (typically Mondays at 8:30pm central) as well as the zoom link to use to join us. If you want to read the credits, send an mp3 (or similar audio file) of you reading the following names. (feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com, subject: CREDITS) Adam Harrison, The SGC, The Gift of Games, Jason Strong, Terrence Miltner, Steven Sites, Brian Arnold, Sean P Kelley, CMarie, Rudy Loo, Benjamin Haim-o-witz, Jerry Hwong, Caleb O'Brien, Jennifer Engelbrecht, Justin Willard, Christopher Dong, Jason Marks, Jeremey Fischer, David Radtke, Nick Kuikstra, David Sellers, Jason Rodney, Michael Yanikowski, Myles Clark, Cindy Lum, Phil Swartzell, Anne Reynolds, Eric Huffman, Adrienne Dong, Nate, Faz Flintham, Sean Peck, Eric See-lander, Mike Smith, Joe Hoover, Timothy Gross, Glenn Cotter, Jesse Walkoviak, Gregory Huber, Don Gilstrap, Steven Judd, Leane Verhulst, Christopher Letko, John Lewis, Joe Rakstad, Ron Nelson, Sahara Wentworth, Weatherman Keef, Nicholas Lotts, Agnes Toth, Paul Raymer, Jimothy, Matthew Droke, Aaron Moore, Jesse Wheeler, Charles Pearson, David Rank and Sam Lacet-Brown. Email us at feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com - for questions and feedback. Follow us on twitter http://twitter.com/TabletopGameTLK http://twitter.com/GameMasterChris http://twitter.com/LawfulGoodMom http://twitter.com/NetFletch or Facebook http://www.facebook.com/TabletopGameTalkPodcast Chris's facebook (let him know you're a listener in the friend request): https://www.facebook.com/steele22374 Join the conversation on Board Game Geek http://TabletopGameTalk.com/bgg Support us via Patreon http://TabletopGameTalk.com/Patreon

This week we talk about our experiences with playing role playing games online.  The good, the bad, the tactical vs theater fo the mind.  And of course we talk about toddlers eating apples and a new giveaway that's coming up. Oh, and if you're wondering what imperfect is: http://imprfct.us/v/chris_3066  (You and Chris both get $10 off if you use this link to sign up!) Want to be a spectator while we record over zoom?  Then join us!  You can get all the info at tabletopgametalk.com/live.  There you'll find our next recording time (typically Mondays at 8:30pm central) as well as the zoom link to use to join us. If you want to read the credits, send an mp3 (or similar audio file) of you reading the following names. (feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com, subject: CREDITS) Adam Harrison, The SGC, The Gift of Games, Jason Strong, Terrence Miltner, Steven Sites, Brian Arnold, Sean P Kelley, CMarie, Rudy Loo, Benjamin Haim-o-witz, Jerry Hwang, Caleb O'Brien, Jennifer Engelbrecht, Justin Willard, Christopher Dong, Jason Marks, Jeremey Fischer, David Radtke, Nick Kuikstra, David Sellers, Jason Rodney, Michael Yanikowski, Myles Clark, Cindy Lum, Phil Swartzell, Anne Reynolds, Eric Huffman, Adrienne Dong, Nate, Faz Flintham, Sean Peck, Eric See-lander, Mike Smith, Joe Hoover, Timothy Gross, Glenn Cotter, Jesse Walkoviak, Gregory Huber, Don Gilstrap, Steven Judd, Leane Verhulst, Christopher Letko, John Lewis, Joe Rakstad, Ron Nelson, Sahara Wentworth, Weatherman Keef, Nicholas Lotts, Agnes Toth, Paul Raymer, Jimothy, Matthew Droke, Aaron Moore, Jesse Wheeler, and Charles Pearson. Email us at feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com - for questions and feedback. Follow us on twitter http://twitter.com/TabletopGameTLK http://twitter.com/GameMasterChris http://twitter.com/LawfulGoodMom http://twitter.com/NetFletch or Facebook http://www.facebook.com/TabletopGameTalkPodcast Chris's facebook (let him know you're a listener in the friend request): https://www.facebook.com/steele22374 Join the conversation on Board Game Geek http://TabletopGameTalk.com/bgg Support us via Patreon http://TabletopGameTalk.com/Patreon

This week we talk about the effects of negative reviews on our psyche.  Ok, Chris's psyche, Josh and Kitty have different options on the subject.  But overall we try and answer the question... does hearing something negative about something you like, change how you enjoy that something? Sean Peck's Cthulhu: Death May Die review: https://youtu.be/0wSETzkmnRw The board game app tracking site: https://boardgamer.app Want to be a spectator while we record over zoom?  Then join us!  You can get all the info at tabletopgametalk.com/live.  There you'll find our next recording time (typically Mondays at 8:30pm central) as well as the zoom link to use to join us. If you want to read the credits, send an mp3 (or similar audio file) of you reading the following names. (feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com, subject: CREDITS) Adam Harrison, The SGC, The Gift of Games, Jason Strong, Terrence Miltner, Steven Sites, Brian Arnold, Sean P Kelley, CMarie, Rudy Loo, Benjamin Haim-o-witz, Jerry Hwang, Caleb O'Brien, Jennifer Engelbrecht, Justin Willard, Christopher Dong, Jason Marks, Jeremey Fischer, David Radtke, Nick Kuikstra, David Sellers, Jason Rodney, Michael Yanikowski, Myles Clark, Cindy Lum, Phil Swartzell, Anne Reynolds, Eric Huffman, Adrienne Dong, Nate, Faz Flintham, Sean Peck, Eric See-lander, Mike Smith, Joe Hoover, Timothy Gross, Glenn Cotter, Jesse Walkoviak, Gregory Huber, Don Gilstrap, Steven Judd, Leane Verhulst, Christopher Letko, John Lewis, Joe Rakstad, Ron Nelson, Sahara Wentworth, Weatherman Keef, Nicholas Lotts, Agnes Toth, Paul Raymer, Jimothy, Matthew Droke, Aaron Moore, Jesse Wheeler, and Charles Pearson. Email us at feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com - for questions and feedback. Follow us on twitter http://twitter.com/TabletopGameTLK http://twitter.com/GameMasterChris http://twitter.com/LawfulGoodMom http://twitter.com/NetFletch or Facebook http://www.facebook.com/TabletopGameTalkPodcast Chris's facebook (let him know you're a listener in the friend request): https://www.facebook.com/steele22374 Join the conversation on Board Game Geek http://TabletopGameTalk.com/bgg Support us via Patreon http://TabletopGameTalk.com/Patreon

This week we talk about... a lot of stuff.  Easter and Passover, Animal Crossing and Tiger King, Painting and Cthulhu, and we even get a little political/economical about gaming supply chains.  Oh and we did it all with a live (but silent) audience, so if you want to be a part of the show next week, keep reading... Want to be a spectator while we record over zoom?  Then join us!  You can get all the info at tabletopgametalk.com/live.  There you'll find our next recording time (typically Mondays at 8:30pm central) as well as the zoom link to use to join us. If you want to read the credits, send an mp3 (or similar audio file) of you reading the following names. (feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com, subject: CREDITS) Adam Harrison, The SGC, The Gift of Games, Jason Strong, Terrence Miltner, Steven Sites, Brian Arnold, Sean P Kelley, CMarie, Rudy Loo, Benjamin Haim-o-witz, Jerry Hwang, Caleb O'Brien, Jennifer Engelbrecht, Justin Willard, Christopher Dong, Jason Marks, Jeremey Fischer, David Radtke, Nick Kuikstra, David Sellers, Jason Rodney, Michael Yanikowski, Myles Clark, Cindy Lum, Phil Swartzell, Anne Reynolds, Eric Huffman, Adrienne Dong, Nate, Faz Flintham, Sean Peck, Eric See-lander, Mike Smith, Joe Hoover, Timothy Gross, Glenn Cotter, Jesse Walkoviak, Gregory Huber, Don Gilstrap, Steven Judd, Leane Verhulst, Christopher Letko, John Lewis, Joe Rakstad, Ron Nelson, Sahara Wentworth, Weatherman Keef, Nicholas Lotts, Agnes Toth, Paul Raymer, Jimothy, Matthew Droke, Aaron Moore, Jesse Wheeler, and Charles Pearson. Email us at feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com - for questions and feedback. Follow us on twitter http://twitter.com/TabletopGameTLK http://twitter.com/GameMasterChris http://twitter.com/LawfulGoodMom http://twitter.com/NetFletch or Facebook http://www.facebook.com/TabletopGameTalkPodcast Chris's facebook (let him know you're a listener in the friend request): https://www.facebook.com/steele22374 Join the conversation on Board Game Geek http://TabletopGameTalk.com/bgg Support us via Patreon http://TabletopGameTalk.com/Patreon

[Note: there was about 1 minute that a bad audio file went live.  So if you can't hear Fletcher, you auto downloaded during that minute.  Just deleted the file and redownload and everything should be ok.] With so many new releases being delayed and game stores having to fully close down, some of us have had the chance to revisit some old games in our collections. So whether it’s playing a game you haven't played in a while or finally getting a game to the table that’s been sitting on yourself for way too long, we’ll be talking about the advantages of being able to play some older games like they were new again. Next week we'll be recording on Monday, 8:30pm central time (9:30 eastern, 6:30 pacific). If you'd like to hear us in real time and even participate via chat, join us on zoom here.  Or open your zoom app and enter meeting id 441-998-566.  You can also join by phone (but you'll only be able to listen) at +13126266799,,441998566# If you want to read the credits, send an mp3 (or similar audio file) of you reading the following names. (feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com, subject: CREDITS) Adam Harrison, The SGC, The Gift of Games, Jason Strong, Terrence Miltner, Steven Sites, Brian Arnold, Sean P Kelley, CMarie, Rudy Loo, Benjamin Haim-o-witz, Jerry Hwang, Caleb O'Brien, Jennifer Engelbrecht, Justin Willard, Christopher Dong, Jason Marks, Jeremey Fischer, David Radtke, Nick Kuikstra, David Sellers, Jason Rodney, Michael Yanikowski, Myles Clark, Cindy Lum, Phil Swartzell, Anne Reynolds, Eric Huffman, Adrienne Dong, Nate, Faz Flintham, Sean Peck, Eric See-lander, Mike Smith, Joe Hoover, Timothy Gross, Glenn Cotter, Jesse Walkoviak, Gregory Huber, Don Gilstrap, Steven Judd, Leane Verhulst, Christopher Letko, John Lewis, Joe Rakstad, Ron Nelson, Sahara Wentworth, Weatherman Keef, Nicholas Lotts, Agnes Toth, Paul Raymer, Jimothy, Matthew Droke, Aaron Moore, Jesse Wheeler, and Charles Pearson. Email us at feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com - for questions and feedback. Follow us on twitter http://twitter.com/TabletopGameTLK http://twitter.com/GameMasterChris http://twitter.com/LawfulGoodMom http://twitter.com/NetFletch or Facebook http://www.facebook.com/TabletopGameTalkPodcast Chris's facebook (let him know you're a listener in the friend request): https://www.facebook.com/steele22374 Join the conversation on Board Game Geek http://TabletopGameTalk.com/bgg Support us via Patreon http://TabletopGameTalk.com/Patreon

Well this title sounds bad - but no, we're not bored with board gaming, but maybe some people are and we're going to talk about how to get over that boredom.  Also, this episode could be titled something along the line of Tangent Time... so be ready for some of that too! If you want to read the credits, send an mp3 (or similar audio file) of you reading the following names. (feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com, subject: CREDITS) Adam Harrison, The SGC, The Gift of Games, Jason Strong, Terrence Miltner, Steven Sites, Brian Arnold, Sean P Kelley, CMarie, Rudy Loo, Benjamin Haim-o-witz, Jerry Hwang, Caleb O'Brien, Jennifer Engelbrecht, Justin Willard, Christopher Dong, Jason Marks, Jeremey Fischer, David Radtke, Nick Kuikstra, David Sellers, Jason Rodney, Michael Yanikowski, Myles Clark, Cindy Lum, Phil Swartzell, Anne Reynolds, Eric Huffman, Adrienne Dong, Nate, Faz Flintham, Sean Peck, Eric See-lander, Mike Smith, Joe Hoover, Timothy Gross, Glenn Cotter, Jesse Walkoviak, Gregory Huber, Don Gilstrap, Steven Judd, Leane Verhulst, Christopher Letko, John Lewis, Joe Rakstad, Ron Nelson, Sahara Wentworth, Weatherman Keef, Nicholas Lotts, Agnes Toth, Paul Raymer, Jimothy, Matthew Droke, Aaron Moore, Jesse Wheeler, and Charles Pearson. Email us at feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com - for questions and feedback. Follow us on twitter http://twitter.com/TabletopGameTLK http://twitter.com/GameMasterChris http://twitter.com/LawfulGoodMom http://twitter.com/NetFletch or Facebook http://www.facebook.com/TabletopGameTalkPodcast Chris's facebook (let him know you're a listener in the friend request): https://www.facebook.com/steele22374 Join the conversation on Board Game Geek http://TabletopGameTalk.com/bgg Support us via Patreon http://TabletopGameTalk.com/Patreon

Social distancing seems to be the phrase of the day and with all this distancing we're finding ourselves with a lot of extra time on our hands.  So what do gamers do with extra time, they game, but... oh right, we need to social distance.  In this episode we talk about ways we can still game without being in the same room.  (Oh and this isn't about video version of games or electronic gaming platforms.) If you want to read the credits, send an mp3 (or similar audio file) of you reading the following names. (feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com, subject: CREDITS) Adam Harrison, The SGC, The Gift of Games, Jason Strong, Terrence Miltner, Steven Sites, Brian Arnold, Sean P Kelley, CMarie, Rudy Loo, Benjamin Haim-o-witz, Jerry Hwang, Caleb O'Brien, Jennifer Engelbrecht, Justin Willard, Christopher Dong, Jason Marks, Jeremey Fischer, David Radtke, Nick Kuikstra, David Sellers, Jason Rodney, Michael Yanikowski, Myles Clark, Cindy Lum, Phil Swartzell, Anne Reynolds, Eric Huffman, Adrienne Dong, Nate, Faz Flintham, Sean Peck, Eric See-lander, Mike Smith, Joe Hoover, Timothy Gross, Glenn Cotter, Jesse Walkoviak, Gregory Huber, Don Gilstrap, Steven Judd, Leane Verhulst, Christopher Letko, John Lewis, Joe Rakstad, Ron Nelson, Sahara Wentworth, Weatherman Keef, Nicholas Lotts, Agnes Toth, Paul Raymer, Jimothy, Matthew Droke, Aaron Moore, Jesse Wheeler, and Charles Pearson. Email us at feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com - for questions and feedback. Follow us on twitter http://twitter.com/TabletopGameTLK http://twitter.com/GameMasterChris http://twitter.com/LawfulGoodMom http://twitter.com/NetFletch or Facebook http://www.facebook.com/TabletopGameTalkPodcast Chris's facebook (let him know you're a listener in the friend request): https://www.facebook.com/steele22374 Join the conversation on Board Game Geek http://TabletopGameTalk.com/bgg Support us via Patreon http://TabletopGameTalk.com/Patreon

This week, while in quarantine, we talk about The Game Designers Movie by Eric Rayl.  This is a great peek behind the hobbyist board game designer curtain.  We only give an overview, but it's definitely worth watching.  You can find out more at http://www.thegamedesignersmovie.com Also, since most of us are now quarantined in some way, here is Suzanne's list of board game apps which is much longer than our list from last week. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1M824hQ0kgksiNuEmBMGFsAEsVPBo2VD5FvpEvYj6UVI/edit#gid=693775771 If you want to read the credits, send an mp3 (or similar audio file) of you reading the following names. (feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com, subject: CREDITS) Adam Harrison, The SGC, The Gift of Games, Jason Strong, Terrence Miltner, Steven Sites, Brian Arnold, Sean P Kelley, CMarie, Rudy Loo, Benjamin Haim-o-witz, Jerry Hwang, Caleb O'Brien, Jennifer Engelbrecht, Justin Willard, Christopher Dong, Jason Marks, Jeremey Fischer, David Radtke, Nick Kuikstra, David Sellers, Jason Rodney, Michael Yanikowski, Myles Clark, Cindy Lum, Phil Swartzell, Anne Reynolds, Eric Huffman, Adrienne Dong, Nate, Faz Flintham, Sean Peck, Eric See-lander, Mike Smith, Joe Hoover, Timothy Gross, Glenn Cotter, Jesse Walkoviak, Gregory Huber, Don Gilstrap, Steven Judd, Leane Verhulst, Christopher Letko, John Lewis, Joe Rakstad, Ron Nelson, Sahara Wentworth, Weatherman Keef, Nicholas Lotts, Agnes Toth, Paul Raymer, Jimothy, Matthew Droke, Aaron Moore, Jesse Wheeler, and Charles Pearson. Email us at feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com - for questions and feedback. Follow us on twitter http://twitter.com/TabletopGameTLK http://twitter.com/GameMasterChris http://twitter.com/LawfulGoodMom http://twitter.com/NetFletch or Facebook http://www.facebook.com/TabletopGameTalkPodcast Chris's facebook (let him know you're a listener in the friend request): https://www.facebook.com/steele22374 Join the conversation on Board Game Geek http://TabletopGameTalk.com/bgg Support us via Patreon http://TabletopGameTalk.com/Patreon

This week we catalog a bunch of board game apps.  Kitty and Fletcher haven't played many of these, yet, but Chris seems to have played everything - yeah yeah, not surprising.  But we do talk about a ton of games, so in case you missed any, here is the list... Pandemic Catan Classic Ticket to Ride 7 Wonders Splendor Mille Bornes Ganz Schon Clever / Doppelt So Clever Sushi Go Morels Tides of Time Friday Santorini Epic Onitama Patchwork 7 Wonders Duel Jaipur Twilight Struggle NS Hex Eclipse Through the Ages Terraforming Mars Lords of Waterdeep Castles of Burgundy Castles of Mad King Ludwig Suburbia Terra Mystica Agricola Le Havre Raiders of the North Sea Brass Pathfinder Adventure Card Game Sentinels of the Multiverse Aeon’s End Forbidden Island Dresden Files Burgle Bros Zombicide (not a direct port, includes a campaign) Star Realms Mystic Vale Shards of Infinity Ascension Paperback / Hardback Evolution Smash Up Race for the Galaxy Tokaido Galaxy Trucker  Takenoko Talisman Potion Explosion XenoShyft Cottage Garden Small World Steam: Rails to Riches If you want to read the credits, send an mp3 (or similar audio file) of you reading the following names. (feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com, subject: CREDITS) Adam Harrison, The SGC, The Gift of Games, Jason Strong, Terrence Miltner, Steven Sites, Brian Arnold, Sean P Kelley, CMarie, Rudy Loo, Benjamin Haim-o-witz, Jerry Hwang, Caleb O'Brien, Jennifer Engelbrecht, Justin Willard, Christopher Dong, Jason Marks, Jeremey Fischer, David Radtke, Nick Kuikstra, David Sellers, Jason Rodney, Michael Yanikowski, Myles Clark, Cindy Lum, Phil Swartzell, Anne Reynolds, Eric Huffman, Adrienne Dong, Nate, Faz Flintham, Sean Peck, Eric See-lander, Mike Smith, Joe Hoover, Timothy Gross, Glenn Cotter, Jesse Walkoviak, Gregory Huber, Don Gilstrap, Steven Judd, Leane Verhulst, Christopher Letko, John Lewis, Joe Rakstad, Ron Nelson, Sahara Wentworth, Weatherman Keef, Nicholas Lotts, Agnes Toth, Paul Raymer, Jimothy, Matthew Droke, Aaron Moore, Jesse Wheeler, and Charles Pearson. Email us at feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com - for questions and feedback. Follow us on twitter http://twitter.com/TabletopGameTLK http://twitter.com/GameMasterChris http://twitter.com/LawfulGoodMom http://twitter.com/NetFletch or Facebook http://www.facebook.com/TabletopGameTalkPodcast Chris's facebook (let him know you're a listener in the friend request): https://www.facebook.com/steele22374 Join the conversation on Board Game Geek http://TabletopGameTalk.com/bgg Support us via Patreon http://TabletopGameTalk.com/Patreon

This week we go long.  Well not really long in the episode, but long in gaming.  Or really we just talk about long gaming sessions.  Like all day or maybe even a weekend.  Sometimes the same game, sometimes a series of games.  Sometimes you just need to go through an entire legacy game in one session (ok, no, you should never really do that).  But in any case we're talking about long gaming sessions.  Because they are fun! If you want to read the credits, send an mp3 (or similar audio file) of you reading the following names. (feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com, subject: CREDITS) Adam Harrison, The SGC, The Gift of Games, Jason Strong, Terrence Miltner, Steven Sites, Brian Arnold, Sean P Kelley, CMarie, Rudy Loo, Benjamin Haim-o-witz, Jerry Hwang, Caleb O'Brien, Jennifer Engelbrecht, Justin Willard, Christopher Dong, Jason Marks, Jeremey Fischer, David Radtke, Nick Kuikstra, David Sellers, Jason Rodney, Michael Yanikowski, Myles Clark, Cindy Lum, Phil Swartzell, Anne Reynolds, Eric Huffman, Adrienne Dong, Nate, Faz Flintham, Sean Peck, Eric See-lander, Mike Smith, Joe Hoover, Timothy Gross, Glenn Cotter, Jesse Walkoviak, Gregory Huber, Don Gilstrap, Steven Judd, Leane Verhulst, Christopher Letko, John Lewis, Joe Rakstad, Ron Nelson, Sahara Wentworth, Weatherman Keef, Nicholas Lotts, Agnes Toth, Paul Raymer, Jimothy, Matthew Droke, Aaron Moore, Jesse Wheeler, and Charles Pearson. Email us at feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com - for questions and feedback. Follow us on twitter http://twitter.com/TabletopGameTLK http://twitter.com/GameMasterChris http://twitter.com/LawfulGoodMom http://twitter.com/NetFletch or Facebook http://www.facebook.com/TabletopGameTalkPodcast Chris's facebook (let him know you're a listener in the friend request): https://www.facebook.com/steele22374 Join the conversation on Board Game Geek http://TabletopGameTalk.com/bgg Support us via Patreon http://TabletopGameTalk.com/Patreon

This week we're talking about competitive legacy games (or campaign games) and how the story can overshadow the game play and desire to win.  At least for some people.  This is all spoiler free, mostly because we don't remember enough of some of these games to spoil them in the first place, and because it's not nice to spoil stuff. If you want to read the credits, send an mp3 (or similar audio file) of you reading the following names. (feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com, subject: CREDITS) Adam Harrison, The SGC, The Gift of Games, Jason Strong, Terrence Miltner, Steven Sites, Brian Arnold, Sean P Kelley, CMarie, Rudy Loo, Benjamin Haim-o-witz, Jerry Hwang, Caleb O'Brien, Jennifer Engelbrecht, Justin Willard, Christopher Dong, Jason Marks, Jeremey Fischer, David Radtke, Nick Kuikstra, David Sellers, Jason Rodney, Michael Yanikowski, Myles Clark, Cindy Lum, Phil Swartzell, Anne Reynolds, Eric Huffman, Adrienne Dong, Nate, Faz Flintham, Sean Peck, Eric See-lander, Mike Smith, Joe Hoover, Timothy Gross, Glenn Cotter, Jesse Walkoviak, Gregory Huber, Don Gilstrap, Steven Judd, Leane Verhulst, Christopher Letko, John Lewis, Joe Rakstad, Ron Nelson, Sahara Wentworth, Weatherman Keef, Nicholas Lotts, Agnes Toth, Paul Raymer, Jimothy, Matthew Droke, Aaron Moore, Jesse Wheeler, and Charles Pearson. Email us at feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com - for questions and feedback. Follow us on twitter http://twitter.com/TabletopGameTLK http://twitter.com/GameMasterChris http://twitter.com/LawfulGoodMom http://twitter.com/NetFletch or Facebook http://www.facebook.com/TabletopGameTalkPodcast Chris's facebook (let him know you're a listener in the friend request): https://www.facebook.com/steele22374 Join the conversation on Board Game Geek http://TabletopGameTalk.com/bgg Support us via Patreon http://TabletopGameTalk.com/Patreon

This week we're looking at the age old question, why make games.  In doing so we talk about the games we're thinking of and the state of design they are in.  We also touch on the difficulty of making games in the first place.  Oh, and we learn a little bit about White Castle as well! If you want to read the credits, send an mp3 (or similar audio file) of you reading the following names. (feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com, subject: CREDITS) Adam Harrison, The SGC, The Gift of Games, Jason Strong, Terrence Miltner, Steven Sites, Brian Arnold, Sean P Kelley, CMarie, Rudy Loo, Benjamin Haim-o-witz, Jerry Hwang, Caleb O'Brien, Jennifer Engelbrecht, Justin Willard, Christopher Dong, Jason Marks, Jeremey Fischer, David Radtke, Nick Kuikstra, David Sellers, Jason Rodney, Michael Yanikowski, Myles Clark, Cindy Lum, Phil Swartzell, Anne Reynolds, Eric Huffman, Adrienne Dong, Nate, Faz Flintham, Sean Peck, Eric See-lander, Mike Smith, Joe Hoover, Timothy Gross, Glenn Cotter, Jesse Walkoviak, Gregory Huber, Don Gilstrap, Steven Judd, Leane Verhulst, Christopher Letko, John Lewis, Joe Rakstad, Ron Nelson, Sahara Wentworth, Weatherman Keef, Nicholas Lotts, Agnes Toth, Paul Raymer, Jimothy, Matthew Droke, Aaron Moore, Jesse Wheeler, and Charles Pearson. Email us at feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com - for questions and feedback. Follow us on twitter http://twitter.com/TabletopGameTLK http://twitter.com/GameMasterChris http://twitter.com/LawfulGoodMom http://twitter.com/NetFletch or Facebook http://www.facebook.com/TabletopGameTalkPodcast Chris's facebook (let him know you're a listener in the friend request): https://www.facebook.com/steele22374 Join the conversation on Board Game Geek http://TabletopGameTalk.com/bgg Support us via Patreon http://TabletopGameTalk.com/Patreon

This week we finally talk about our gaming couch to 5k which we end up renaming near the end of the conversation (spoiler alert: the title of the episode).  We take 4 different approaches (4th thanks to Joey) to create our lists.  And find it's a fun thought experiment at the very least.  Oh, and Chris really likes Homeworlds, so you should check it out. If you want to read the credits, send an mp3 (or similar audio file) of you reading the following names. (feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com, subject: CREDITS) Adam Harrison, The SGC, The Gift of Games, Jason Strong, Terrence Miltner, Steven Sites, Brian Arnold, Sean P Kelley, CMarie, Rudy Loo, Benjamin Haim-o-witz, Jerry Hwang, Caleb O'Brien, Jennifer Engelbrecht, Justin Willard, Christopher Dong, Jason Marks, Jeremey Fischer, David Radtke, Nick Kuikstra, David Sellers, Jason Rodney, Michael Yanikowski, Myles Clark, Cindy Lum, Phil Swartzell, Anne Reynolds, Eric Huffman, Adrienne Dong, Nate, Faz Flintham, Sean Peck, Eric See-lander, Mike Smith, Joe Hoover, Timothy Gross, Glenn Cotter, Jesse Walkoviak, Gregory Huber, Don Gilstrap, Steven Judd, Leane Verhulst, Christopher Letko, John Lewis, Joe Rakstad, Ron Nelson, Sahara Wentworth, Weatherman Keef, Nicholas Lotts, Agnes Toth, Paul Raymer, Jimothy, Matthew Droke, Aaron Moore, Jesse Wheeler, and Charles Pearson. Email us at feedback@TabletopGameTalk.com - for questions and feedback. Follow us on twitter http://twitter.com/TabletopGameTLK http://twitter.com/GameMasterChris http://twitter.com/LawfulGoodMom http://twitter.com/NetFletch or Facebook http://www.facebook.com/TabletopGameTalkPodcast Chris's facebook (let him know you're a listener in the friend request): https://www.facebook.com/steele22374 Join the conversation on Board Game Geek http://TabletopGameTalk.com/bgg Support us via Patreon http://TabletopGameTalk.com/Patreon

Deputy MLA of Yellowknife, Jesse Wheeler, begins filling out his deputy cabinet this morning live on the air. And Sarah Erasmus of 100 Women Who Give A Damn drops by the Cabin to announce their newest local charity contribution winners!

Deputy MLA of Yellowknife, Jesse Wheeler, has some choice words for NWT Rhino Party leader, Mel Leonard, who disappointed many by failing to file his candidacy papers on time. And a no-nonsense review of the brand new "Joker" movie with the most serious member of the Cabin...AJ!

The Uncharted Live Action Fan Film is a 2018 action adventure short film directed by Allan Ungar and co-written by Ungar and Jesse Wheeler. It is based on the best selling PlayStation franchise, Uncharted, by Naughty Dog. It was released on YouTube on July 16, 2018, and stars Nathan Fillion, Stephen Lang, Geno Segers, Mircea Monroe, and Ernie Reyes Jr Directed byAllan Ungar Written by Allan Ungar Jesse Wheeler Starring Nathan Fillion Stephen Lang Geno Segers Mircea Monroe Ernie Reyes Jr https://www.facebook.com/cocktailswithheather https://www.youtube.com/acoupleofaveragejoes https://www.acoupleofaveragejoes.com The Cinescape Magazine YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9ECdPn_KVQCXGDB1OcvcPw

The Uncharted Live Action Fan Film is a 2018 action adventure short film directed by Allan Ungar and co-written by Ungar and Jesse Wheeler. It is based on the best selling PlayStation franchise, Uncharted, by Naughty Dog. It was released on YouTube on July 16, 2018, and stars Nathan Fillion, Stephen Lang, Geno Segers, Mircea Monroe, and Ernie Reyes Jr Directed byAllan Ungar Written by Allan Ungar Jesse Wheeler Starring Nathan Fillion Stephen Lang Geno Segers Mircea Monroe Ernie Reyes Jr https://www.facebook.com/cocktailswithheather https://www.youtube.com/acoupleofaveragejoes https://www.acoupleofaveragejoes.com The Cinescape Magazine YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9ECdPn_KVQCXGDB1OcvcPw

The Wheel has officially thrown his hat in the ring for an unofficial position: Deputy MLA. This idea was not endorsed in any way (although slightly egged on) by Cabin Radio. And Jennifer Skelton joins us this morning at the Cabin to talk about RePose Yoga - check them out at www.reposelifestyle.com!

Ollie dug deep into the Mornings at the Cabin vault this past weekend to present a new segment - "The Wheel of Time" - where we bring you long-forgotten rants of Jesse Wheeler's on-air past...and see if he remembers what he was ranting about! Also, there's what appears to be a sweet & sour sauce stain on the Cabin Radio Studio 1 floor. Suspects are being named.

Jesse Wheeler is still alive. Don't worry. But then, it's not like he's wrestled any Mountain Lions lately, so don't get too excited. Oh, and Steve? You may need to renew your YK Racquet Club membership.

This month on "Recovery Talks", MPN talks with Jesse Wheeler, the President of Recovery Data Solutions. Jesse offers peer supporters and their employers advice on tracking peer support data. We discuss what data to track, why to track data on peer programming, some best practices for collecting data and more. We look forward to having you listen in on soundcloud and itunes!

Chicago native Jesse Wheeler now living in Brazil came into the studio with the band Tanaman Dul. Their home base is Brasilia. Irish music in Brazil you say, yes and as you will see and hear, excellent Irish music. They are a ton of Fun!!!!

The Uncharted Live Action Fan Film is a 2018 action adventure short film directed by Allan Ungar and co-written by Ungar and Jesse Wheeler. It is based on the best selling PlayStation franchise, Uncharted, by Naughty Dog. It was released on YouTube on July 16, 2018, and stars Nathan Fillion, Stephen Lang, Geno Segers, Mircea Monroe, and Ernie Reyes Jr Directed by Allan Ungar Written by Allan Ungar Jesse Wheeler Starring Nathan Fillion Stephen Lang Geno Segers Mircea Monroe Ernie Reyes Jr https://www.facebook.com/cocktailswithheather https://www.youtube.com/acoupleofaveragejoes https://www.acoupleofaveragejoes.com The Cinescape Magazine YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9ECdPn_KVQCXGDB1OcvcPw