Podcast appearances and mentions of nancy ortberg

It's the inconveniences that matter mostHERE'S HOW: As you go through your day, look at the shoulders of the people around you. Their shoulders will give away the burdens they carry. Pray for them; carry their burdens with them. If you feel emboldened, ask someone what they're going through and take one step toward carrying it together.Become New is here to help you grow spiritually one day at a time.

In this episode, Nancy Ortberg discusses her passion for leadership and the journey of discovering our calling. She emphasizes the importance of feedback and the cultivation of character and heart as we embrace our limitations. She explores the connection between leadership and spiritual formation, emphasizing the need to be deeply rooted in one's identity in Christ. She also emphasizes the need to find God in the gaps of our stories as we embrace lament and vulnerability.

“I put someone right in front of you tonight and all you thought about was…”HERE'S HOW: As you go through your day, see how often you can be with God. While you work, while you serve someone, while you talk to someone… find God there. Offer your service to Him.Become New is here to help you grow spiritually one day at a time.

Finding humanity in an emergency room HERE'S HOW: Today, take a page out of the doctor's book. Learn someone's name. Look them in the eyes. Hear their story, make the space, care deeply. Remember that just like you, they have a story–and it isn't always the story they want.Become New is here to help you grow spiritually one day at a time.

Embracing Purpose in Our StoriesHERE'S HOW: Reflect and invite God to reveal aspects of your story you can't change. Write them down and practice accepting them in prayer.Become New is here to help you grow spiritually one day at a time.

How to live with curiosity

The Courage to Confront Conflict | Conflict is the only way to intimacy.Join in community. Comment below! And sure to tap the bell icon

Pastor Tommy and Nancy Ortberg give some additional thoughts on the sermon, "So What? Now What?" given at WCPC on Sunday, October 15, 2023. Watch the sermon Listen to the sermon

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John and Nancy Ortberg join Steve to endure several of his Gauntlet of Anxiety Questions. Not surprisingly, the questions generated MUCH wisdom from these giants in our faith. Steve found himself doing some deep work in real time as John and Nancy fleshed out a way of being human and with God.    To get tickets to our upcoming Unlocking Faith conference, click here. 

John and Nancy Ortberg join Steve to endure several of his Gauntlet of Anxiety Questions. Not surprisingly, the questions generated MUCH wisdom from these giants in our faith. Steve found himself doing some deep work in real time as John and Nancy fleshed out a way of being human and with God.    To get tickets to our upcoming Unlocking Faith conference, click here.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Message from Nancy Ortberg on August 13, 2023

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Not all of us parents are called into leadership at work or at church – but we ARE called to be leaders in an equally...

If you're a parent, the kind of leadership you show in your home will have a powerful impact on your children.

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Become New for Leaders is all about helping you to lead like Jesus, one day at a time. We just debuted a seven-part video series called Rediscover Leadership (new videos releasing weekly). Be sure to subscribe so you never miss a new drop. Join John Ortberg and Alan George in part one as they discuss today's cultural climate and how despite all the turmoil, there's never been a better time to lead. Remember: Good leaders lead, but great leaders follow. And Jesus called each one of us to be a follower.Want more? Subscribe at www.becomenew.com/leaders to get weekly emails with discussion questions to help you and your team grow. Become New is here to help you grow spiritually one day at a time.Interested in daily content from John Ortberg? 

Become New for Leaders is all about helping you to lead like Jesus, one day at a time. We just debuted a seven-part video series called Rediscover Leadership (new videos releasing weekly). Be sure to subscribe so you never miss a new drop. Join John Ortberg and Alan George in part one as they discuss today's cultural climate and how despite all the turmoil, there's never been a better time to lead. Remember: Good leaders lead, but great leaders follow. And Jesus called each one of us to be a follower.Want more? Subscribe at www.becomenew.com/leaders to get weekly emails with discussion questions to help you and your team grow. Become New is here to help you grow spiritually one day at a time.Interested in daily content from John Ortberg? 

In this episode John and Nancy reflect on Spiritual Disciplines (Practices), the series HOME, field some questions from the community, and even talk a bit about what's coming next.  (Join us May 15th for our new series: IN THE BEGINNING).Enjoy!-tim

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From John and the whole BecomeNew team, we're extraordinarily grateful for you. If you celebrate Thanksgiving this week, we're praying you have a wonderful time with loved ones.

On today's episode, Alan has a great interview with Nancy Ortberg about spiritual disciplines and why there may be a better term simply a discipline. About Nancy Nancy Ortberg served as a teaching pastor for eight years at Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Illinois. During that time she led Network, a ministry that helps people identify their spiritual gifts and find a place of service in the church, and Axis, a weekly gathering for the eighteen- to twenty-something generation. She is a founding partner of Teamworx 2, a business and leadership consulting firm that provides fast-paced, practical, and compelling sessions to leaders and their teams. Teamworx 2 works with businesses, schools, nonprofits, and churches to address issues of organizational effectiveness and teamwork. Nancy is a gifted communicator who is passionate about helping people connect what they believe with their everyday lives. She is currently the CEO of Transforming the Bay with Christ, a non-profit organization working to catalyze a holistic gospel movement in the San Francisco Bay Area. Nancy is the author of Looking for God: An Unexpected Journey through tattoos, tofu, & pronouns and Unleashing the Power of Rubber Bands, lessons in non-linear leadership. She and her husband, John, live in the Bay Area and have three children. Connect with Nancy Website Book Podcast Level your leadership in 2022 Right Side Up Collective Schedule your FREE breakthrough coaching session

I bring in a Big Gun to talk about choosing conversational risks to be truly known. Watch for a cameo appearance as well.

When a lonely heart goes searching for God, many times it turns out that “the journey is its own reward.”

Often times the world can't see the Lord's influence on our lives because they don't know where to look.

Who's ready for Become New: Favorites Edition? Kicking us off is the fabulous Nancy Ortberg with a past episode called, “What Makes Night Within Us May Leave Stars.” Tune in to hear her commentary and reflect on an incredible message of hope. ✨ Text 'become' to 855-888-0404 to receive text alerts when new episodes air #johnortberg #nancyortberg #victorhugo #becomenew #become #new

Join us next week as we hear from John's team and friends looking back over episodes from the past two years. We'll revisit some of our favorites and tell you why... beginning Monday, July 4th. If you're apart of our Facebook Group let us know which episode had an impact on your life here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/913876866229056 We'll feature YOUR top pick as a part of the series! Pssst...also, here is a (hefty) link featuring a catalogue of ALL the Become New videos for you to browse if you're interested: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQdXMOxSRi2O5q8gYzCwJ1i7NLo8k9TFpujqtpkKPVP8PteQma0KZbi8FLJvR7NMOhtjILB73KF443V/pubhtml?fbclid=IwAR14NE6FOYQkLVMWUmSQy7UapJzOFNDfLqCggXXv2vV0j_W1dIzXFVxZh5Y#

Join John and Nancy Ortberg as they reflect on the cross Jesus, the joy & pain of our human experience, and the everlasting hope of the resurrection. #johnortberg #nancyortberg #goodfriday #lent #holyweek #dallaswillard #renovation of the #heart

On today's episode, Alan has a great interview with Nancy Ortberg about spiritual disciplines and why there may be a better term simply a discipline. About Nancy Nancy Ortberg served as a teaching pastor for eight years at Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Illinois. During that time she led Network, a ministry that helps people identify their spiritual gifts and find a place of service in the church, and Axis, a weekly gathering for the eighteen- to twenty-something generation. She is a founding partner of Teamworx 2, a business and leadership consulting firm that provides fast-paced, practical, and compelling sessions to leaders and their teams. Teamworx 2 works with businesses, schools, nonprofits, and churches to address issues of organizational effectiveness and teamwork. Nancy is a gifted communicator who is passionate about helping people connect what they believe with their everyday lives. She is currently the CEO of Transforming the Bay with Christ, a non-profit organization working to catalyze a holistic gospel movement in the San Francisco Bay Area. Nancy is the author of Looking for God: An Unexpected Journey through tattoos, tofu, & pronouns and Unleashing the Power of Rubber Bands, lessons in non-linear leadership. She and her husband, John, live in the Bay Area and have three children. Connect with Nancy Website Book Podcast Level your leadership in 2022 Right Side Up Collective Right Side Up Community Purchase a Right Side Up Journal Schedule your FREE breakthrough coaching session Invest in your leadership by joining free Right Side Up Community

Junkyard Wisdom Generosity is Messy Roy Goble and Nancy Ortberg January 31, 2022

Junkyard Wisdom Generosity is Messy Roy Goble and Nancy Ortberg January 31, 2022

[Guest Speaker Nancy Ortberg]How does your work tie together with your faith? We are excited to have Nancy Ortberg, CEO of Transforming the Bay with Christ, here with us this Sunday. The post November 7, 2021 – Visions of Vocation first appeared on Current Silicon Valley.

Sometimes it is the smallest moments and least-noticed contributions that make the biggest difference. Amazing story—and my favorite guest! In this series, Passage to Wisdom, John reflects on passages from books that have found particular influence in his life. Be sure to subscribe to our YouTube channel BecomeNew.Me and say hello

John and Nancy go live in "Passages to Wisdom" to reflect on passages and books that listeners sent in. Don't miss it!

Nancy Ortberg is kicking off our new series “Storyline” tomorrow @eastownchurchNancy served as a teaching pastor for eight years at Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Illinois.She is a founding partner of Teamworx 2, a business and leadership consulting firm that provides fast-paced, practical, and compelling sessions to leaders and their teams.Nancy is a gifted communicator who is passionate about helping people connect what they believe with their everyday lives. She is currently the CEO of Transforming the Bay with Christ, a non-profit organization working to catalyze a holistic gospel movement in the San Francisco Bay Area.Nancy is the author of Looking for God: An Unexpected Journey through tattoos, tofu, & pronouns and Unleashing the Power of Rubber Bands, lessons in non-linear leadership.Make sure to join us online @ 9 & 10:15 on YouTube or Facebook #eastownlovelocal #storyline

You just can't not listen to this episode. Nancy is quite simply one of the most refreshing voices and wisest women of faith out there. Nancy's words are full of grace and truth and she is unapologetically and hilariously honest. Nancy is a gifted speaker, author and leader. She was an ER nurse in her early career and she has worked as a pastor and in leadership development for the last 2-3 decades. She has 3 adult children and she resides in the Bay Area with her husband John.

Key Scripture: Matthew 5:23-24

When a lonely heart goes searching for God, often it turns out that “the journey is its own reward.”

Often times the world can’t see the Lord’s influence on our lives because they don’t know where to look.

Nancy Ortberg has over twenty-two years experience in sales, service and the healthcare industry, including eighteen years in leadership roles. She has in addition, led a staff team in the recruitment and mobilization of thousands of volunteers as well as spoken internationally and domestically on topics of leadership and the creation of corporate culture.  She is currently serving as the CEO of Transforming the Bay with Christ, seeking to help catalyze a holistic Gospel movement in the San Francisco Bay Area. In the first half of her career, Nancy worked in hospital and healthcare administration, providing leadership and team development in large medical organizations. From 1991-2003 she held leadership positions in sales and marketing and did extensive work with non-profit organizations. Nancy is passionate about improving personal and organizational effectiveness and believes that teams are the most dynamic way to produce those results. She believes in helping people bring the best of who they are to what they do best. Her particular interests are leading teams through the process of analyzing, and planning the changes needed to improve how they work together as a team; starting with building trust with each other through getting exceptional results which they can only achieve by being a dynamic leadership team. She is a the founding partner of Teamworx2.co and a consulting partner with Patrick Lencioni, author of The Five Dysfunctions of a Team, Silos Politics and Turf Wars and Death by Meeting. Nancy was a teaching pastor who worked for 13 years at Willow Creek Community Church in the Chicago area, and knows what it can mean to do the "good, right and wise" thing, even when it isn't easy, as she mentions on today's podcast.  Nancy is for the church, for women, for men, for wholeness, but above all- for Jesus.  She knows what it means to be brave and follow God, even at great personal cost. Nancy is the author of Looking for God: An Unexpected Journey through tattoos, tofu, & pronouns, Unleashing the Power of Rubber Bands, lessons in non-linear leadership and Seeing in the Dark finding God's light in the most unexpected places. She and her husband, John, live in the Bay Area and have three children: Laura, Mallory, and Johnny.  Stay In Touch: Connect on Facebook and Instagram with thoughts, questions, and feedback. Rate, review and share this podcast with anyone that would love to listen.  On Clubhouse @loriadbr. Find Us Online: @aworldof.difference on Instagram and A World of Difference on Facebook on Twitter at @loriadbr https://linktr.ee/aworldofdifference --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app (https://anchor.fm/app) Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/lori-adams-brown/support (https://anchor.fm/lori-adams-brown/support)Mentioned in this episode: Patreon Support us for as little as $5/month at Patreon.com/aworldofdifference and receive exclusive audio content and free merch. Coaching Sept 22 Want to get unstuck and make a difference? Go to loriadamsbrown.com/coachnig for a free exploratory session. This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy

Nancy Ortberg has over twenty-two years experience in sales, service and the healthcare industry, including eighteen years in leadership roles. She has in addition, led a staff team in the recruitment and mobilization of thousands of volunteers as well as spoken internationally and domestically on topics of leadership and the creation of corporate culture.  She is currently serving as the CEO of Transforming the Bay with Christ, seeking to help catalyze a holistic Gospel movement in the San Francisco Bay Area. In the first half of her career, Nancy worked in hospital and healthcare administration, providing leadership and team development in large medical organizations. From 1991-2003 she held leadership positions in sales and marketing and did extensive work with non-profit organizations. Nancy is passionate about improving personal and organizational effectiveness and believes that teams are the most dynamic way to produce those results. She believes in helping people bring the best of who they are to what they do best. Her particular interests are leading teams through the process of analyzing, and planning the changes needed to improve how they work together as a team; starting with building trust with each other through getting exceptional results which they can only achieve by being a dynamic leadership team. She is a the founding partner of Teamworx2.co and a consulting partner with Patrick Lencioni, author of The Five Dysfunctions of a Team, Silos Politics and Turf Wars and Death by Meeting. Nancy was a teaching pastor who worked for 13 years at Willow Creek Community Church in the Chicago area, and knows what it can mean to do the "good, right and wise" thing, even when it isn't easy, as she mentions on today's podcast.  Nancy is for the church, for women, for men, for wholeness, but above all- for Jesus.  She knows what it means to be brave and follow God, even at great personal cost. Nancy is the author of Looking for God: An Unexpected Journey through tattoos, tofu, & pronouns, Unleashing the Power of Rubber Bands, lessons in non-linear leadership and Seeing in the Dark finding God's light in the most unexpected places. She and her husband, John, live in the Bay Area and have three children: Laura, Mallory, and Johnny. Stay In Touch: Connect on Facebook and Instagram with thoughts, questions, and feedback. Rate, review and share this podcast with anyone that would love to listen.  On Clubhouse @loriadbr. Find Us Online: @aworldof.difference on Instagram and A World of Difference on Facebook on Twitter at @loriadbr https://linktr.ee/aworldofdifference--- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/appSupport this podcast: https://anchor.fm/lori-adams-brown/supportMentioned in this episode:Do you want to go deeper?Join us in Difference Makers, a community where we watch and discuss exclusive content that truly makes a difference. Give us $5 a month (the price of a latte), and join in on the conversation with our host Lori and others who want to make a difference. We'd love to have you join us!PatreonJoin Difference MakersJoin us in our membership community for exclusive content for only $5/month at https://www.patreon.com/aworldofdifference. We go deeper with each guest, and it makes such a difference.PatreonThis podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacyPodtrac - https://analytics.podtrac.com/privacy-policy-gdrp

Nancy Ortberg has over twenty-two years experience in sales, service and the healthcare industry, including eighteen years in leadership roles. She has in addition, led a staff team in the recruitment and mobilization of thousands of volunteers as well as spoken internationally and domestically on topics of leadership and the creation of corporate culture.  She is currently serving as the CEO of Transforming the Bay with Christ, seeking to help catalyze a holistic Gospel movement in the San Francisco Bay Area. In the first half of her career, Nancy worked in hospital and healthcare administration, providing leadership and team development in large medical organizations. From 1991-2003 she held leadership positions in sales and marketing and did extensive work with non-profit organizations. Nancy is passionate about improving personal and organizational effectiveness and believes that teams are the most dynamic way to produce those results. She believes in helping people bring the best of who they are to what they do best. Her particular interests are leading teams through the process of analyzing, and planning the changes needed to improve how they work together as a team; starting with building trust with each other through getting exceptional results which they can only achieve by being a dynamic leadership team. She is a the founding partner of Teamworx2.co and a consulting partner with Patrick Lencioni, author of The Five Dysfunctions of a Team, Silos Politics and Turf Wars and Death by Meeting. Nancy was a teaching pastor who worked for 13 years at Willow Creek Community Church in the Chicago area, and knows what it can mean to do the "good, right and wise" thing, even when it isn't easy, as she mentions on today's podcast.  Nancy is for the church, for women, for men, for wholeness, but above all- for Jesus.  She knows what it means to be brave and follow God, even at great personal cost. Nancy is the author of Looking for God: An Unexpected Journey through tattoos, tofu, & pronouns, Unleashing the Power of Rubber Bands, lessons in non-linear leadership and Seeing in the Dark finding God's light in the most unexpected places. She and her husband, John, live in the Bay Area and have three children: Laura, Mallory, and Johnny.  Stay In Touch: Connect on Facebook and Instagram with thoughts, questions, and feedback. Rate, review and share this podcast with anyone that would love to listen.  On Clubhouse @loriadbr. Find Us Online: @aworldof.difference on Instagram and A World of Difference on Facebook on Twitter at @loriadbr https://linktr.ee/aworldofdifference --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app (https://anchor.fm/app) Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/lori-adams-brown/support (https://anchor.fm/lori-adams-brown/support)Mentioned in this episode: Patreon Support us for as little as $5/month at Patreon.com/aworldofdifference and receive exclusive audio content and free merch. Coaching Sept 22 Want to get unstuck and make a difference? Go to loriadamsbrown.com/coachnig for a free exploratory session. This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy

Nancy Ortberg has over twenty-two years experience in sales, service and the healthcare industry, including eighteen years in leadership roles. She has in addition, led a staff team in the recruitment and mobilization of thousands of volunteers as well as spoken internationally and domestically on topics of leadership and the creation of corporate culture.  She is currently serving as the CEO of Transforming the Bay with Christ, seeking to help catalyze a holistic Gospel movement in the San Francisco Bay Area. In the first half of her career, Nancy worked in hospital and healthcare administration, providing leadership and team development in large medical organizations. From 1991-2003 she held leadership positions in sales and marketing and did extensive work with non-profit organizations. Nancy is passionate about improving personal and organizational effectiveness and believes that teams are the most dynamic way to produce those results. She believes in helping people bring the best of who they are to what they do best. Her particular interests are leading teams through the process of analyzing, and planning the changes needed to improve how they work together as a team; starting with building trust with each other through getting exceptional results which they can only achieve by being a dynamic leadership team. She is a the founding partner of Teamworx2.co and a consulting partner with Patrick Lencioni, author of The Five Dysfunctions of a Team, Silos Politics and Turf Wars and Death by Meeting. Nancy was a teaching pastor who worked for 13 years at Willow Creek Community Church in the Chicago area, and knows what it can mean to do the "good, right and wise" thing, even when it isn't easy, as she mentions on today's podcast.  Nancy is for the church, for women, for men, for wholeness, but above all- for Jesus.  She knows what it means to be brave and follow God, even at great personal cost. Nancy is the author of Looking for God: An Unexpected Journey through tattoos, tofu, & pronouns, Unleashing the Power of Rubber Bands, lessons in non-linear leadership and Seeing in the Dark finding God's light in the most unexpected places. She and her husband, John, live in the Bay Area and have three children: Laura, Mallory, and Johnny. Stay In Touch: Connect on Facebook and Instagram with thoughts, questions, and feedback. Rate, review and share this podcast with anyone that would love to listen.  On Clubhouse @loriadbr. Find Us Online: @aworldof.difference on Instagram and A World of Difference on Facebook on Twitter at @loriadbr https://linktr.ee/aworldofdifference--- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/appSupport this podcast: https://anchor.fm/lori-adams-brown/supportMentioned in this episode:Do you want to go deeper?Join us in Difference Makers, a community where we watch and discuss exclusive content that truly makes a difference. Give us $5 a month (the price of a latte), and join in on the conversation with our host Lori and others who want to make a difference. We'd love to have you join us!PatreonJoin Difference MakersJoin us in our membership community for exclusive content for only $5/month at https://www.patreon.com/aworldofdifference. We go deeper with each guest, and it makes such a difference.PatreonThis podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Chartable - https://chartable.com/privacyPodtrac - https://analytics.podtrac.com/privacy-policy-gdrp

When a lonely heart goes searching for God, many times it turns out that “the journey is its own reward.”

Often times the world can’t see the Lord’s influence on our lives because they don’t know where to look.

We were so inspired by those of you who were able to join us for the conference this year, and we are eager to share an amazing interview from last years' conference with all of you. A conversation with Nancy Ortberg, Teaching Pastor, Founder, CEO, Notable Author and more - as she walks with us through some tough questions regarding ministry and finding balance, boundaries and confidence! --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/lead-bold/message

In episode nine Daniel and Jessica sit down with Nancy Ortberg. Nancy is the CEO of Transforming the Bay with Christ in the Bay Area. Nancy is also our first guest repeat! Nancy has written several books including, Looking for God (2015) and Seeing in the Dark (2015). In this episode Daniel and Jessica talk to Nancy about the enneagram, the perks of the constructivist movement, and the dark side of leadership. To learn more about what Nancy does check out TBC: http://www.tbc.city/about2Host, Daniel Kunkel (shorturl.at/exIZ1)Co-Host, Jessica Senbetu (shorturl.at/gjLO7)Producer, Scott Bolin (shorturl.at/kloX9)Graphics, Gabe Senbetu (shorturl.at/ikJR7)Photographer, Gina Mangiante (https://bit.ly/2m7C4iQ) Social Media, Sarina Wadhwa (https://bit.ly/2mqllYg) ALSO, follow us on Instagram, https://www.instagram.com/eib.podcast/?hl=enALSO, ALSO our website: eibpodcast.com

Nancy Ortberg teaches on the two longings that all of us have — to be known and to be loved — and how marriage is just one reflection of this experience in our relationships with one another, and ultimately with Christ. Nancy is the CEO of Transforming the Bay with Christ.

Guest Bios Show Transcript Two Churches in the Chicago area have been rocked by scandal. Now, how does the Christian community move forward? And how do those hurt by these scandals, the so-called church refugees, find healing? This week on The Roys Report, I'll have two refugees from Willow Creek Community Church and one from Harvest Bible Chapel join me. Also joining me will be two area pastors whose churches have taken in a number of refugees.  I really hope you can join us for The Roys Report, this Saturday morning at 11 on AM 1160 Hope for Your Life and on Sunday night at 7 on AM 560 The Answer! This Weeks Guests Joe Thorn Joe Thorn is the Lead Pastor of Redeemer Fellowship in St. Charles, Illinois, and the author of several books, including Note to Self and Experiencing the Trinity. He has been a columnist for Ligonier's Tabletalk magazine and is the co-host (with Jimmy Fowler) of the podcast Doctrine & Devotion. Dave Jones David has been privileged to serve as Senior Pastor at Village Church since 2010.  He seeks to combine the in-depth study of Scripture with a shepherd's heart.  He has been married to Helen for more than thirty years.  They have three grown sons, two daughters-in-law, and one grandson.    Rob Speight Rob Speight graduated from Dallas Theological Seminary and served in vocational ministry prior to working in the market place and attending and volunteering at Willow Creek for 27 years.  Rob started a blog when the Bill Hybels scandal became public.   Carol Behrends Lifelong Christian. . . Survivor of toxic fundamentalism and sexual abuse. . . in attendance at Willow Creek since 1980 (theater days). . . zealot for Truth and accountability Terri Streich Terri was a member of Harvest Bible Chapel for 15 years until she left 1 1/2 years ago. She has also been in Women's ministry as a counselor for 9+years. Currently she is a member of Redeemer Fellowship St Charles, Ill. with her husband of 35 years Dave. Together they have 3 children and 4 grandchildren. Show Transcript Note: This transcript has been edited slightly for continuity. Segment 1 JULIE ROYS:  Welcome to The Roys Report, brought to you in part by Judson University.  I am Julie Roys and today, we're going to be talking about a topic that has absolutely ravaged the Christian community in the Chicago area. And, if you've been listening to the news, you know that in the past 18 months, two major, evangelical megachurches have been rocked by scandal.  First, Willow Creek Community Church, one of the 10 largest churches in the United States—experienced major upheaval after allegations of sexual misconduct surfaced concerning founder Bill Hybels.  Initially, the women who brought those allegations were discredited by the church. But as evidence against Hybels mounted, senior leaders and elders recanted, and resigned. Yet many say the damage that is done is just too much and they've left the church.  Attendance at Willow is down at least 15-percent at Willow's main campus—and at least 9-percent overall.  Then several months later, another megachurch—Harvest Bible Chapel—was upended when its pastor, James MacDonald, was accused of rampant wrongdoing. This included financial misappropriation, bullying, and shocking vulgar speech that was aired on morning-drive radio here in Chicago.  The results were similar.  All the executive staff resigned. The elders resigned.  And there was a major exodus of people away from the church. Obviously, this has sent shock waves throughout the Chicago area.  There are literally thousands of so-called church refugees—people who feel betrayed and hurt and are in need of healing. At the same time, these people are suspicious of anyone in spiritual leadership. Some don't want anything to do with the church. Yet there are others who are coming into these area churches and they're looking for healing and they're looking and longing for help.  And then there are pastors—many of whom are godly, hardworking, and often underpaid.  Yet now, they're viewed with suspicion.  And God forbid, they ask for money or any commitment from people in the pews.  This has become trigger issues for people who are coming into their churches. So how does the Christian community recover from this? How do we move forward as the Bride of Christ? And can we ever again be a city on a hill?  Well, that's what I'm going to explore today. And I've gathered a very special group of people to help me do that. With me today are two Chicago-area pastors and three so-called church refugees. The pastors are Dave Jones, senior pastor of Village Church of Barrington.  And Dave and I met while I was reporting on Harvest Bible Chapel.  In fact, he was a great source of information for me so I'm very grateful for that, Dave.  Dave, you also were on staff at Harvest Bible Chapel—ten years served there, and I know also your church has become just a major wide-open door for an awful lot of refugees.  So welcome to the program.  I'm just really glad to have you. DAVE JONES:  Thank you.  Glad to be here. JULIE ROYS:  Also joining me is Joe Thorn, pastor of Redeemer Fellowship in suburban St. Charles.  Joe also hosts a podcast called Doctrine and Devotion.  And Joe and I also met while I was reporting on Harvest Bible Chapel.  You had me in, I think it was pretty early.  It was after my World piece had hit—that expose which I think was mid-December—came in and really enjoyed the opportunity and had a good time with Joe.  But I know you've been impacted as well and you have a number of refugees at your church.  Correct?   JOE THORN:  Yeah.  Over the years, even before this broke, people started to kind of bail on Harvest for various reasons.  And some of them have made their way towards Redeemer. JULIE ROYS:  Okay.  Let me start with you, Dave, because I know you've had, I think, when I interviewed you, you said maybe 300 or so had come from Harvest at some period of time, stayed for at least six months or more.  I'm guessing that was with, there was kind of like two waves.  There was 2012 when there was gambling exposed and then there was this ex-communication of elders which a lot of people left then.  Then the church kind of rebounded and then this latest, you know, revelations of wrong doing and, you know, James eventually got fired by the church.  Has that brought in another wave, I'm guessing? DAVE JONES:  Yes, it has.  You know, we did have several hundred people, actually, that came from, you know, during like 1.0 and now there's another wave coming yet again.  And we have not tried to, you know, we have no way of really counting that or anything but we are seeing visitors every service, every weekend. JULIE ROYS:  Yeah.  So tell me, I mean, what's it like being a pastor of a church that's receiving these refugees?  Like, what has it been like the past 6-9 months at your church? DAVE JONES:  Well, obviously we're seeing new people every weekend.  So we're trying to, you know, be welcoming and outgoing toward them and just trying to let them find a place where they can find healing.  We get the context.  We know what's happening there.  And so we've just tried to love and we've tried to model Christ-likeness the best we can.  And let them reestablish confidence in the church and in church leadership. JULIE ROYS:  And when you say you get it not only do you get it because you've been there.  But you've experienced spiritual abuse.  Can you talk a little bit about that? DAVE JONES:  Sure.  You know, I was on staff at Harvest for 8 ½ years and that was, you know, I would say those early years were good years.  And there would be occasional things that would happen.  But toward the end especially, my eyes began to get opened to some things.  And once the leadership there got the sense that I was beginning to think and maybe had one foot out the door, it did get really bad.  And so I came out of that situation quite beat up.  And it took me several months just to even get my smile back.  And I was having nightmares.  I was starting to have like some paranoia.  And I was really beginning to wonder if something was wrong with me on the inside.  But God was gracious and through some loving friends who just walked with me through that, and prayed me through it, I did get to a point of healing.  But I would say the healing took place over a 3-4 year period.  So yes, so I get it personally and I also get it corporately. JULIE ROYS:  Yeah, I'm glad you said that about feeling the paranoia and some of that.  I remember when I was reporting on this story and I'm giving these stories to my editor, right?  And I remember one point he said, Julie, these people, you know, I hate to say it, they sound a little crazy.  And I'm like, you should talk to them.  They're not crazy and you have no idea what they've experienced.  And that comment, you know, I know initially, was just getting used to this story.  And now we've seen, as it's come out, the people are traumatized on a level that I think nobody imagined initially.  And the people aren't crazy but what they experienced has been absolutely crazy.  And so I think churches need to be just aware.  So I appreciate that Dave.   So Joe, same question to you.  What has it been like for you the past 6-9 months? JOE THORN:  Well, we have a small church right, relatively small church — 350's probably the average attendance on a Sunday between 3 services.  So we have a small space. JULIE ROYS:  Now why do you do 3 services? JOE THORN:  Because we can't fit everybody into a small space.  Literally it's not to grow, it's to manage the small growth that we have.   JULIE ROYS:  You sure you don't want to start a big building program? Probably not the right time.  (laughter) JOE THORN:  We're not going that way.  We plant churches.  We planted 3 churches out of us so we're sending our people out all the time.  We're not fans of big church for us.  But our people, at Redeemer, don't really have to do anything different than they normally do.  Our congregation, who we are a congregational Baptist church. JULIE ROYS:  Say what that means.  Congregational.  That's a form of government. JOE THORN:  Right.  What it means is that our church is governed or led by a plurality of elders who all function together in parity, meaning, me as the lead pastor, I don't have more say than the volunteer elder.  We all have the same authority.  But the congregational holds us accountable.  They vote on leadership, they vote us in and out.  They can fire me.  They vote on budget.  They vote on members.  So that's a congregational church with a lot of transparency and accountability.  We don't change anything that we're doing other than, because our people are generally nice and welcoming.  They're very warm towards people that are coming in.  The only thing that we've done is we've let our congregation know, a long time ago during our members' meetings, listen these people are hurting.  Some of them are coming in angry.  They're in the rage stage right because they've been betrayed and hurt or abused.  Others are coming in just broken and mourning.  So we just tell them be gentle, give them patience and space but be kind.  And that's all we've had to do.  And our people have warmly welcomed them.  So people, most people from Harvest and that kind of a church, don't come to Redeemer because we are a small, reformed Baptist church.  Culturally it's just very, very different.  But the people that have come, have come because of that almost.  It's like they want to distance themselves from even the culture of what they went through.  Not because the culture was necessarily wrong in every way, but because they want to distance themselves from not only abuse but some of the other trappings and they wind their way towards us.  And I think it's been, for most people that have come and stayed, it's been a pretty seamless transition.   JULIE ROYS:  Yeah.  I mean it's interesting that we mention even in this first segment church government. Because I remember, again, when I was reporting on this, I had all this information, actually I hadn't published yet that about how church government at Harvest changed over time.  And James McDonald took power, you know, and had had this façade of being elder led but it really was James led.  And I think people are asking about church government.  But I remember when I was first reporting, again my editor saying to me, Julie, you and I are interested in that, and about 12 of our readers but that's about it.  You know, I mean people don't care about church government.  I think people care about church government now.  And I think that's a good thing.  I think they need to care about church government.   Real quickly, because we just have like 30 seconds.  What kind of church government do you have Dave? DAVE JONES:  We are also congregational.  We have elders but they are voted on by the congregation. JULIE ROYS:  Okay, so they're actually accountable to the congregation.  That's a very important piece.    Well again you're listening to the The Roys Report.  I'm Julie Roys.  Joining me today Joe Thorn, pastor of Redeemer Fellowship, Dave Jones, pastor of Village Church of Barrington.   And coming up next, I've got some refugees.  Some people who have come from some of these churches who are wounded and hurt and I think you're going to want to hear what they have to say. Stay tuned, I'll be right back.  Segment 2: JULIE ROYS: After being betrayed by a pastor or a church, how do you ever trust again? Welcome back to The Roys Report. I'm Julie Roys. And if you've followed the news at all, you know that two Chicago-area megachurches have been rocked by scandal. At both Willow Creek Community Church and Harvest Bible Chapel, pastors have resigned, or been fired, in disgrace. Elder boards have been replaced. And congregations have shrunk as many people have determined that they no longer can stay in a place where they don't trust the leadership. So, how does the Christian community respond to a crisis like this?  How do area churches welcome literally thousands of people coming to them wounded and hurting? And how do these so-called church refugees heal and learn to trust again? Do they EVER go to a church again?  Our show today is recorded, so I can't take your calls. However, I encourage you to join the live conversation online by going to Facebook.com/ReachJulieRoys. Or to get to me on Twitter, use my handle @ReachJulieRoys. Well today with me are two Chicago-area mega, not mega church pastors. Two Chicago (laughter) pastors—Joe Thorn and Dave Jones. You heard from them in the last segment. But what I want to do now is have you meet three people who have experienced the devastation at Harvest and Willow Creek personally.    First, Terri Streich was a longtime member at Harvest Bible Chapel. In fact, she served in the counseling ministry, but recently she left after experiencing first-hand some of the abuse and the toxic culture there at Harvest.  So, Teri, welcome, great to have you.   TERRI STREICH:  Thank you.  Good to be here.  JULIE ROYS:  Also joining me are two former members at Willow Creek Community Church—Carol Behrends and Rob Speight. Carol was a member at Willow Creek for decades, right Carol, is that right?  And Rob actually served part-time on staff for a time. Both have been disheartened and disillusioned by what they've seen. And I appreciate you coming on as well and being willing to share your stories.  So welcome Carol.  CAROL BEHRENDS:  Thank you. JULIE ROYS:  And welcome Rob. ROB SPEIGHT:  Thanks for having me. JULIE ROYS:  So why don't we start with you Terri.   I know this, I can see it in your eyes, they can't see it, maybe they'll be able to hear it, but this is still raw for you.  I mean, how did you first become aware of the issues at Harvest and how has this impacted you on a personal level?     TERRI STREICH:  Yes, well, it has impacted my husband and I on a personal level. But to give you a little backdrop, we attended Harvest for about 15 years, and it was wonderful at the beginning.  We felt refreshed as if in a dry and weary land. JULIE ROYS:  When was this?  What year? TERRI STREICH:  Boy, you know it's got to be 19 years ago now probably. JULIE ROYS:  Okay. TERRI STREICH:  Off and on.  So, just got plugged in right away and was very honored to be asked to serve in some leadership roles and made some wonderful friendships there. And we loved to serve the Lord and the people that come and that are new to Christianity or that just need encouragement.  Then I got invited to be on staff as the Women's Director in Elgin and over the years the roles somewhat changed and then I did get invited to counsel women at the church and yes. And so for 9 years I was on staff there. And during those 9 years, front row seat witnessed wonderful things of people getting saved but also the things that you only see whether you're on staff or my husband served as an elder for a few years. So we had the interesting dichotomy of once my husband being on the elder board and me being on staff and we would go home and talk about some things. And it was just shocking to both of us in the spin factor on what was said in the congregation from the pulpit and then behind the scenes, whether it's in the staff meetings or in elder meetings. JULIE ROYS:  Two different things and not feeling like they're telling the truth then to the congregation.  And didn't your husband and you, I don't know if you want to talk about it, didn't you originally discover the gambling that James McDonald was involved in? TERRI STREICH:  Yeah, Women's Ministry or the ministries there at Harvest they have small groups and then they have flock leaders that oversee small groups and then elders, of course, oversee the congregation.  But yes, one of the small group, no, one of the flock leaders that I was serving with had witnessed and had heard about some things and so and then there's rumbling behind the scenes.  We sat on it for almost a year, praying about it, hoping, you know, to test it to see if that's true and finally the gal and I went to, you know, one of the pastors and brought this to the attention of the elders and were very concerned . . . JULIE ROYS:  And when you say “this” that James McDonald was gambling in Vegas, right? TERRI STREICH:  Yes, he was yeah.  And the attitude and the language and the amount of money that was being played all in different areas of the city, we were aware of. So we of course brought that to the elder board.  We brought that to Pastor Rick and it was . . . JULIE ROYS:  Rick Donald? TERRI STREICH:  Yeah, he wasn't shocked, I don't believe, but he seemed to listen and then the next elder meeting my husband was there to kind of discuss it a little bit, so. JULIE ROYS:  He wasn't shocked because he probably knew already.  I mean these are some of the things that are coming out.  So much we could talk about. But I want to get everybody involved here.  So Carol you were at Willow Creek Community Church for decades.   CAROL BEHRENDS:  Yes JULIE ROYS:   The only, you grew up, you said, Plymouth Brethren? CAROL BEHRENDS:  Yes JULIE ROYS:  That's an interesting church.  I mean that's a very small church where you're not allowed to have pastors, right? CAROL BEHRENDS:  They choose not.  Yes, that's not their way.  JULIE ROYS:  Yeah. CAROL BEHRENDS:  One-man ministry is not, they think, the way to go. JULIE ROYS:  So you've experienced these two very different churches.  Tell me about Willow. I'm guessing, there were wonderful years. But then it soured for you.  Tell me about that? CAROL BEHRENDS:  Well, growing up in Plymouth Brethren it was like wonderful to come to Willow Creek and see that style of church, yeah, two opposites, that's all I can say.  We jumped right in.  We were small group leaders and my husband was heading up the prison ministry, Exodus, and many, we had several small groups. JULIE ROYS:  And you probably saw a lot of people come to know the Lord in that time? CAROL BEHRENDS:  Yeah, maybe not through the small groups so much.  We had couples that we were bringing along that we were bringing along that who were young Christians and meeting in homes and became very close to the couples and some of them were still, we still travel to visit. JULIE ROYS:  So, when these women came forward, you know, started out with a few in the Chicago Tribune saying that Bill Hybels had, you know, had some sexual misconduct toward them and abusive behavior.  At first when you heard that what was your response? CAROL BEHRENDS:  I believed it immediately. JULIE ROYS:  You did?  And why did you believe it? Because I'm guessing you had a high opinion of Bill Hybels. CAROL BEHRENDS:  I had a high opinion of Nancy Beach and all the other ones. JULIE ROYS:  That's what was, you know, I felt the same way like we had attended Willow actually back in the late 80's, early 90's. And Nancy Beech, Nancy Ortberg, my goodness.  So, but how did, this is your pastor for like decades you know, how did that impact you, to have your pastor now be involved in something like that?  CAROL BEHRENDS:  My pastor suddenly became in the same category of some of the men I had come in contact with in the work place who were, you know, sexual harassment, guilty of. And so then I hear Bill Hybels is behaving the same way so I just lumped him into that category.  JULIE ROYS:  But I'm guessing devastating, yes? CAROL BEHRENDS:  Devastating, shocking, disgusting.  I was disgusted. JULIE ROYS:  Well, and it's interesting you say that about, you know, you kind of think of the people, you've been in the work place.  For women, I know that's me too.  And now, I read those things I'm like, oh yeah, I've had bosses like that, I know what that's like. CAROL BEHRENDS:  I get it. JULIE ROYS:  It's tough and to think that this person that was a spiritual leader, a shepherd over you.  Now, is sort of a wolf. CAROL BEHRENDS:  Exactly. JULIE ROYS:  Yeah and how'd that make you feel about church?   CAROL BEHRENDS:  I don't need church to have a relationship with the Lord. JULIE ROYS:  So you feel done with it? CAROL BEHRENDS:  I am done with it.  For right now, that's where I'm at. JULIE ROYS:  Yeah, understandable.  I get the pain and I get where you're coming from.  Rob you're not going to have a chance to talk in this segment.  I hate to tell you that. ROB SPEIGHT:  That's okay. (laughter) JULIE ROYS:  But when we come back, Rob Speight will tell his story and Rob was at Willow Creek, also served on staff.  So, you have kind of both worlds there from being on staff and being a member. ROB SPEIGHT:  I do. JULIE ROYS: And now you're kind of, you're preaching in a church and doing itinerant thing. ROB SPEIGHT:  Getting back into the pulpit now. JULIE ROYS:  Yeah okay.  And your wife is going to a small group but that's about as much as she can handle right now, right? ROB SPEIGHT:  I'd say that's affirmative. JULIE ROYS:  Yeah, okay.  Well, again, we're going to explore this more when we come back.  You're listening to The Roys Report.  Joining me Carol Behrends, Terri Streich, also Rob Speight and two Chicago area pastors, Dave Jones and also Joe Thorn.  We'll be right back after a short break.  Stay tuned. 3rd Segment JULIE ROYS: Welcome back to The Roys Report, brought to you in part by Judson University.  I'm Julie Roys.  And today, we're discussing Living in the Aftermath of Church Scandals. Here in the Chicago area, we've had two, major scandals—first at Willow Creek Community Church, involving founder Bill Hybels. And then at Harvest Bible Chapel involving former pastor, James MacDonald. Many feel betrayed and duped and are profoundly wary of churches and pastors. And pastors—many of whom are godly and honest—suddenly are viewed with suspicion. In fact, I remember our first show was talking a lot about the Harvest Bible Chapel situation. I got an email from somebody that said, “Man, you sound like you're pastor-bashing.” And I'm like, “Ahh.” It made me feel awful because I do love pastors and I know the majority of them are great people and godly people. But that's just the reality right now. So, as a Christian community—how do we heal? How do we deal with this situation?  Today's show is recorded, so I can't take your calls. But I encourage you to join the live conversation. That's going on online on Facebook.com/ReachJulieRoys. Also, on Twitter, you can use my handle @ReachJulieRoys. Well joining me this morning, two Chicago-area pastors, Joe Thorn and Dave Jones. Also joining me are three people who have left their churches, following scandal there. We just heard in the previous segment from Carol Behrends and Terri Streich. But now I've got Rob Speight. And Rob was at Willow Creek Community Church. But Rob, I'm sure you saw great things at Willow. That's what brought you there. But tell me how you became disillusioned and decided to leave. ROB SPEIGHT: Well, when the story broke, that was the first time I heard it, anything about it, was from the Chicago Tribune in March of 2018. And very much like Carol, I believed it because of the people, and their characters, who were making these claims. And then when I attended the first family meeting, which was a defense of Bill Hybels and a defense of the Elders and how the women were liars and colluders, I immediately began to write to the Elders. Because, even though I'm a lone, or a small voice in large church, I wanted them to know that there were people questioning decisions that were made. And so I started to write to them, and the answers that I continued to receive were lacking in transparency. They were, I don't believe, forthcoming with what was happening. And then eventually, it wasn't too long after, that we stopped attending. But I continued to write to the elders and continued to be shushed. They did not want me speaking up and sharing my thoughts. JULIE ROYS: And then we had, initially what was it, 3 women? Was it 3?  ROB SPEIGHT: Well, it was Vonda Dyer, Nancy Beach,  JULIE ROYS: Nancy Ortberg ROB SPEIGHT: Nancy Ortberg. And then Jimmy and Leanne Mellado were advocates, trying to tell the story of an affair that they knew about, that the elders supposedly investigated . . . JULIE ROYS: And the woman had recanted. Taken back her testimony.  ROB SPEIGHT: They use that as an excuse.  JULIE ROYS: I know . . . ROB SPEIGHT: They use that as an excuse when there are others that know something very different. JULIE ROYS: So since then, though, as it became 10 women or more, and then Pat Baranowski—Bill Hybel's former assistant—when she had her exposé in the New York Times, that seemed to be sort of a, the last straw . . . ROB SPEIGHT: That was the last straw, yes. JULIE ROYS: So then you had Steve Carter resign and apologize. An elder apologized to the congregation. All the elders resigned. It wasn't enough for you, though? ROB SPEIGHT: Steve Carter was, he isn't given enough credit as he deserves for standing up to a machine. And if he hadn't resigned, I'm not sure what would have happened. But he caused, in my opinion, Heather Larson to resign and all the elders to resign. Was it enough? Well it hadn't been enough, because I'd started a blog and I was writing there. And then when there was a meeting called in August, a very spur of the moment meeting, and Heather Larson and the elders resigned, that was enough. And I stopped writing my blog. And I wanted to give Steve Gillen and the new elders to be, space. JULIE ROYS: Well, and we can talk a lot about because just recently there was a meeting, a reconciliation meeting—I know a lot of the victims didn't feel like it was reconciliation at all, didn't feel like—they weren't even mentioned by name. And so, we could talk a lot about those specifics, but I really want to move it now toward what about your feeling now towards the church in general and toward joining another church? You've left Willow, how do you feel about joining another church? ROB SPEIGHT: I like the idea of joining another church. I like the idea of being part of a community. Do I look with a jaundiced eye at what might be going on behind the scene? Ya, I do. JULIE ROYS: You're skeptical. ROB SPEIGHT: I am skeptical. But, for good reason. But I also know that God uses the local church. God wants his followers to be part of a community, and to build into each other's lives and to use their spiritual gifts. And that happens in the local church. JULIE ROYS: But you're kind of in a wasteland right now. I kind of understand that. We're going to need to go to break. When we come back, I want to hear just briefly, what do you need to hear from a pastor for you to feel safe there. Then I'm going to give our pastors a chance to respond to that. Just reminds me, I remember when we were looking for a church years and years ago and we'd had a bad experience on staff at the church. Really bad. Very wounded. And I remember meeting with a pastor, which it took about 6 to 9 months to get a meeting with the pastor. Finally got a meeting with the pastor and he looked at me and he said, “You know, I just get the feeling that you're not that excited about this church and that enthused.” And I looked at him and I'm like, “Well, yeah, you know, but it's kinda the best we could find. We love the church with its warts and everything else, so we're just going to roll up our sleeves and serve.” And he looked at me and he said, “Well, if that's how you feel, you can't serve at this church. We want people who are enthusiastic.” Needless to say, we walked out of that meeting and we didn't join that church. I know some of you are listening, you can relate to this. I hope you'll stick with us, we're going to come right back after a short break. Again, you're listening to The Roys Report with Julie Roys. Joining me, 2 area pastors, 3 Harvest and Willow Creek refugees. It's going to be a great discussion. Hope you stay with us.  4th Segment JULIE ROYS: Well, how does the Christian community recover from church scandals? Welcome back to The Roys Report. I'm Julie Roys. And today, we're tackling a painful subject that has impacted so many people here in the Chicago area, but also around the country. Of course, in Chicago, we've had two major church scandals involving Willow Creek Community Church and Harvest Bible Chapel. But unfortunately, these scandals are not isolated. I can still remember back in the 80s and probably a lot of you listening can remember this as well when Jimmy Swaggert, that scandal hit. When the PTL scandal and Jim Bakker hit. It was disillusioning. It really was, not that I was a big follower of Jim Bakker or Jimmy Swaggert but man, that was the first big evangelical scandal and I just didn't think that was possible for us.  These scandals are so, so painful. And they shouldn't happen. Pastors should love and protect the sheep, not fleece and abuse them. But that is what has been the reality at some of these churches. And what do we do when this unthinkable thing happens? Well, we're going to jump back into that discussion in just a minute. But first, I want to remind you this month for a gift of any size to this ministry I am giving away copies of the book by apologist Norm Geisler, an amazing defender of the Christian Faith, who just passed away last month. The book is I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist. And it's a great read by someone I greatly admired. And if you read any of my coverage of the battle for inerrancy at the Moody Bible Institute last year, you'll see Norm's name because I interviewed him several times about the issue. He was so passionate about the truth and inerrancy. And I'm thrilled to offer his book. So if you'd like to support this ministry and get a copy of I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist just go to my website JulieRoys.com and click on the donate button. Also, I want to let you know, if you've missed any part of today's broadcast or just want to listen again, or share it with friends, the audio of today's program will be posted by 1:00 pm today to my website. And again, the website is JulieRoys.com.  You know it's funny, I even feel this because I just asked for donations, that there's a sense in this room, my goodness how dare she (laughter) and I get that. I will say this, we have made a commitment to publishing a line item budget and how much I have made or taken out of that. I can promise you it's a part-time salary to do this radio program. It is nothing anywhere on the level that we have seen by megachurch pastors. But again, I believe completely in open and complete conversation about that and being transparent. But part of that is because it has to be.  So, let me return to this conversation, Rob and I had said this before the break. Again joining me is Rob Speight. Rob is a former member at Willow Creek Community church. Rob, what do pastors need to know about you and people like you that are walking through their door? ROB SPEIGHT: I believe the folks who are visiting churches who have come out of places like Willow Creek and Harvest Bible Chapel, they're going thru various stages of grief. And there are those who want to be left alone. They want to come in, hopefully experience and be part of good worship and be taught from the word of God and I want to leave. But for my wife and myself, that wasn't the case. We had pretty much recovered from some of the shock of what had occurred at Willow. And we had visited a number of churches and we have never stuck anywhere. And one of the—there's a community in a church, there's strengths and weaknesses about community. The strength is, if you've got it, you love it! And you want to hold on to it. But the weakness is, how does a refugee break into that community? So, for the pastors to communicate to their body, who have community, we know you love each other and you have great small groups and all you want to be together and cannot wait to talk with your friends after church or before church. But there are refugees coming. And will you, you've got to go out of your comfort zone. Your comfort zone is to be with your friends. Out of your comfort zone is to be noticing, watching, who is new? And not to be like, “Hey, did you sign in yet?” Not to be over bearing. But to be caring, winsome, and to be sensitive. Are you hearing from someone who wants more or are you hearing from someone who wants their distance? So that is a value that I believe incoming churches need to have for refugees. JULIE ROYS: Absolutely. Carol, that question makes you furl your brow, just the idea of what do pastors need to hear from you? CAROL BEHRENDS: I don't need the pastors. JULIE ROYS: You've kind of had it. CAROL BEHRENDS: I'm really on my own. I have Christian fellowship without being in church. JULIE ROYS: It would take a miracle for you to go back to the church at this point. CAROL BEHRENDS: I don't trust myself to choose a church that in the end I will be able to trust. Because I was in a church for 38 years and didn't realize what the reality was.  JULIE ROYS: Boy that's hard. You know what? And I've heard people say that, like who have had multiple experiences even at bad churches and say, “What's wrong with me? Why didn't I do a better job picking a church?” It's certainly not your fault, Carol.   CAROL BEHRENDS: I pride myself on my intuition and this time it didn't work. JULIE ROYS: That's tough. Terry? TERRI STREICH: Yah, after many, many years of making relationships and but seeing the hypocrisy that was going on in the church, very painful. You can't equate it to anything. They're starting to write about these things now. It is such a grief and a disappointment to come from the Christian community from Holy Spirit led supposedly people. The paranoia that was going on, on the staff at the end, was difficult. And so when I quit, we invited the pastor over, never contacted. There was no love, no outreach. People are left all by themselves, you feel naked. And it is very, very painful. Many tears, you question your own discernment, even. “Why didn't I see that?” Dave and I, we had our meetings. We had a million meetings. And believing the best and nothing. Most things didn't change. JULIE: Yet you ended up at Joe's church. TERRI STREICH: Yes. JULIE ROYS: I don't think I introduced you at the beginning of the segment, Terry Streich you were at Harvest Bible Chapel and Carol was at Willow Creek Community church.  Joe Thorn one of the area pastors on this program also David Jones. You ended up at Joe's church. Did Joe do something right that made you say, “okay, I can trust this dude?” TERRI STREICH: Well this is what happens. ‘Cause a lot of people were calling us and asking. Dave and I had to decide, “what are the main things that God will have us . . .?” It wasn't easy to go somewhere new. But, you can listen to sermons online now. You can kinda check out people's doctrine before you step in and invest yourself or get hurt again. We did our investigation as best we could, and we came. And our hearts, we really ached for the word of God to be preached with no apology. In regards to doctrine, the theology, we weren't distracted because our lens that we were looking through, its sermons before, we were so critical, all of that. And we just didn't want to be distracted. We wanted to hear God's word just wash over us. That's what we were so hungry for. JULIE ROYS: So you were drawn to the preaching, was there something else?  TERRI STREICH: Yes. Well Joe is very accessible. We met him at a Starbucks that week. Dave wrote him an email affirming his gift. And we asked a million questions. The people were lovely there. But our eyes always have to be set on the Lord and trust his leading and guiding. And ask for discernment as we read His word. That's really important. JULIE ROYS: And you said earlier before we were on air, I'm never going to a megachurch again.  TERRI STREICH: No, we won't. JULIE ROYS: That's interesting. Dave, you don't have a megachurch, but it's, you know what would you say, about 600, 650? How do you respond to you know what these women want from a church, what Rob's wanting from a church? What have you guys done? DAVID JONES: Yeah, so again, I think a big part of it for people is just hearing that they understand and know. And so just to let a visitor who's coming know, “I get what you're going through right now. Like I experienced it myself personally.” And I think that is disarming in and of itself. And it begins a process of building trust. I think another thing that's important for them to realize is that even that this is new to you, this is not new to the church. Jesus predicted that there would be ravenous wolves who would come in among the sheep not sparing the flock. He spent His last major discourse of teaching, according to Matthew's gospel warning people about false teachers. The book of Revelation details seven different churches. And some of them received no condemnation. Some received only condemnation. Some received mixed reviews. And, you know, we look at the problems with Corinth and otherwise. Like the early church was not a perfect place. They were real people who wrestled with real issues, and some of these issues were leadership issues. So I think for people who have come to that awareness of, “This has been going on since the beginning of church history. It's just happening to me now.” JULIE ROYS: Man, that is great. Joe I am going to let you land this plane. Although Dave, you just got us down the runway, Joe, speak to these people hurting right now. JOE THORN: Listen to what pastor Dave, said. JUILIE ROYS: You second that? JOE THORN: Yes, he's giving you the truth of God's word. My encouragement to people that are hurting that are coming out of spiritually abusive and toxic cultures, churches and situations is to give yourself time. But to draw near to God through the means of Grace meaning His word and meaning prayer. But the means of grace are really most vibrantly and intensely experienced in the Christian community of faith. And so, I want to say I understand, I am not mad at you that people are distancing themselves. I am angry at the wolves. But, I guess the challenge would be, I don't think that we can be the people that God calls us to be or I don't even think we can do all the things God called us do, outside of the local church. Now that's going to look different, different kind of churches, whether it's house churches, megachurches, big, regular, small churches were made for that kind of covenant Christian community. So, I think the people that I have talked to haven't completely said, “I'm never going back under any circumstances. They just understand, “I don't know when I'm going back.” So, I want to encourage them, “leave that door open. And surround yourself with good Christians who can speak into your life and perhaps you'll find your way back to church through them, eventually.”  But do not distance yourself from the means of grace, that is going to be critical for your spiritual health. JULIE ROYS: I know Dave you've actually done something intentional at your church about spiritual abuse, inviting people in to process these spiritual abusive situations they've been from. I think those are really important, and I so appreciate. Thank you so much Rob, Dave, Joe, Terri, Carol for being willing to come and be a part of this, I think it was really helpful. You know I resonate with what you guys just said and the scriptures that are coming to mind, Matthew 16:18, where Jesus says to Peter, “I will build my church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.”  So the church is God's church He won't give up on her and I truly believe that these horrible things, and abuses that have come to light, have come to light because God is purifying his church, he has brought these things out, I don't think it's  just man's work, it's God's work. Second scripture is Hebrews 10:25 where the apostle Paul urges us not to stop meeting together and I get it that for some, find fellowship where you can and come to the hospital for healing. We need each other, we desperately need each other. If you missed any of this program the entire podcast will be posted to my website JulieRoys.com. Thank you so much for joining me. Have a great weekend.  Read more

Nancy Ortberg, CEO of Transforming the Bay with Christ, talks about courage in leadership and the church’s need to stay engaged in the difficult conversations   For more resources for a deeply formed spiritual life, visit Fuller.edu/Studio

Nancy talks anxiety in groups, phantom strikes and the importance of losing track of time to refresh your soul. Oh, and surfing and of course, anxiety triggers. 

She's known as many things. Writer, wife, new mom...but in some circles she's known as a "christian culture enthusiast" . Laura Turner made her way in the world as a pastor's kid and somehow survived. Her parents are John and Nancy Ortberg and she is the oldest child of three. She's faced crippling anxiety most of her life which has become a major cornerstone to her writing. She endeavors to make the often shameful and secretive pains we hide, like the difficult journey to motherhood, stories in which her readers can relate. With grace, humility and candor she shares her sacred and strange life of prank calling from her Dad's mega-church office, crying in the car with her newborn son Chance, celebrating a sister who became a brother, and her new fave binge-worthy Netflix show who's title will make you giggle. Episode 25 is a gift that will keep on giving. Her Twitter https://twitter.com/lkoturner The Why Christian conference in San Francisco April 2019 https://whychristian.net/ On her miscarriage: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/lauraturner/i-was-pregnant-and-then-i-wasnt Other books referenced in our conversation Henri Nouwen https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0046A9JA2/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1 Brother Lawrence https://www.amazon.com/Practice-Presence-God-Brother-Lawrence-ebook/dp/B002BH3NN6/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1542616305&sr=1-1&keywords=practicing+the+presence+of+god+by+brother+lawrence http://www.lkoturner.com/ (Oh and JERKY BOYS is the prank calling guys that I was referencing). --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/holycannoli/support

This week, otherWISE hosts writer and pastor John Ortberg. John is a well-known author, with books like The Life You've Always Wanted, The Me I Want to Be, and If You Want to Walk On Water, You Have to Get Out of the Boat.In this episode we talk about his new book, Eternity Is Now In Session: A Radical Rediscovery of What Jesus Really Taught About Salvation, Eternity, and Getting to the Good Place.John is the Senior Pastor of Menlo Church in Menlo Park, California. He and his wife, author and speaker Nancy Ortberg, live in southern California. You can find more about John here.Music by Austin MartinCover art by Eric Wright/Metamora Design

Nancy is the author of Looking for God: An Unexpected Journey through Tattoos, Tofu, & Pronouns and, Unleashing the Power of Rubber Bands, Lessons in Non-Linear Leadership. She is currently serving as the CEO of Transforming the Bay with Christ, seeking to help catalyze a holistic Gospel movement in the San Francisco Bay Area. She and her husband, John, live in the Bay Area and have three children: Laura, Mallory, and Johnny. Interview by Daniel Kunkel Produced by Scott Bolin Song by Joel Adam Russell

Nish and Amy are back together again! This week we talk about the abrupt resignation/retirement of Willow Creek's founding pastor Bill Hybels after one of the women who have accused him of sexual misconduct and harassment wrote publicly about her story. When it comes to championing women in ministry, Hybels has been one of the good guys in evangelicalism. But good guys are not immune to abusing their power. We also take up an alarming BuzzFeed News analysis of Muslim-bashing by American politicians that documents instances in 49 states, primarily by GOP officeholders. And we ended by talking about Amy's recent piece in the New York Times about Trump and evangelicals, in which she argued that 80 percent of white evangelicals would vote against Jesus Christ himself if he ran as a Democrat. **_Please visit our [Patreon Page](https://www.patreon.com/impolitecompanypodcast) and consider becoming a monthly patron of the show, for as little as $1 per month. We're planning a Google Hangout with patrons in the month of April--there's still time to sign up as a patron and join us!_** Discussed This Week: [Why It's a Big Deal That Evangelical Pastor Bill Hybels Just Stepped Down Amid Sexual Misconduct Allegations](https://slate.com/human-interest/2018/04/why-its-a-big-deal-evangelical-pastor-bill-hybels-just-quit-amid-sexual-misconduct-allegations.html) (Ruth Graham, Slate) [Vonda Dyer's Statement Re: Chicago Tribune and Bill Hybels](https://vondadyer.weebly.com/blog) (VondaDyer.com) [Flawed Process, Wounded Women](https://www.nancylortberg.com/) (statement from former Willow Creek board member Nancy Ortberg) [Shining the Light on the Truth](https://veritasbetold.wixsite.com/website) (statement from former Willow Creek Elder Betty Schmidt) [Why We Can't Move On](http://www.nancylbeach.com/blog/2018/4/11/why-we-cant-move-on) (statement from former Willow Creek pastor Nancy Beach) [State and Local Republican Officials Have Been Bashing Muslims. We Counted.](https://www.buzzfeed.com/hannahallam/trump-republicans-bashing-muslims-without-repercussions?utm_term=.hvj0Nz8GXQ#.qiEN9kPR8E) (Hannah Allam and Talal Ansari, BuzzFeed News) [Trump's Christian Soldiers](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/31/opinion/sunday/trump-evangelicals-christians-easter.html) (Amy Sullivan, New York Times) [Depolarize](http://badchristianmedia.com/depolarize/) podcast (Dan Koch)

Ryan Huguley shares a powerful framework that will empower pastors to cut their sermon prep time in half! About the Book:  The clock is every pastor's nemesis. Between meetings, administration, counseling, and other duties, it's hard to find enough time for sermon prep. Unless you change the process. 8 Hours Or Less will show preachers how to write the same sermons they've been writing, but in half the time. Author Ryan Huguley reveals: The biggest time-wasters in sermon prep The five marks of a faithful sermon A day-by-day plan for writing sermons Tips for preparing your mind, heart, and notes for preaching Common pitfalls in ending a sermon And more Huguley is a pastor and the host of a podcast featuring leaders like Matt Chandler, James MacDonald, Doug Wilson, and Nancy Ortberg. What he shares in 8 Hrs or Less is a process he's been refining for six years, and it has radically improved both his preaching and experience in ministry.   Why work harder when you can work smarter? 8 Hours or Less brings relief to the time crunch and helps pastors be healthier, more balanced, and more effective—all without making their sermons suffer for it. About the Author:  Ryan Huguley planted Redemption Bible Church in Arlington Heights, IL in 2009 and served as lead pastor for seven years. In 2016 he accepted a call to become the senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel in Hickory, NC, a growing congregation of 1,000. Ryan has worked in church planting since 2001 and has a passion to help the next generation know Jesus and make Him known. He helps assess, coach, and train church planters and hosts a podcast called In the Room. Connect with Ryan: RyanHuguley.com In the Room Podcast Facebook Twitter (@RyanHuguley) For additional show notes, visit ShaunTabatt.com/175.

Nancy Ortberg joined the podcast to talk about her journey from Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Illinois, to the San Francisco Bay Area. During her conversation with Jordan, Nancy talks about working through change, and adjusting, even if you like change. She is a founding partner of Teamworx2, a business and leadership consulting firm affiliated with Patrick Lencioni, which provides fast-paced, practical, and compelling sessions to leaders and their teams. Nancy is currently working at Menlo Park Presbyterian Church as the Director of Leadership Development where she is working to create a dynamic and innovative approach to leadership development. Nancy is the author of Seeing in the Dark, Looking for God: An Unexpected Journey through Tattoos, Tofu, & Pronouns and, Unleashing the Power of Rubber Bands, Lessons in Non-Linear Leadership. Nancy's Website Nancy on Facebook & Twitter Transforming the Bay with Christ Century Leadership Experience

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Nancy Ortberg, AKA Mallory’s mom, joins us for questions today. How do you to talk to a stepdad who tries to boost your confidence by making borderline-creepy remarks about your appearance? What do you say to stop your parents from complaining to you about their marriage? Plus: Anti-vaxxers, handling disappointment, and how to keep the peace when you get the better office at work. Hear more Prudence by joining Slate Plus: Slate.com/Prudiepod. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nancy Ortberg, AKA Mallory’s mom, joins us for questions today. How do you to talk to a stepdad who tries to boost your confidence by making borderline-creepy remarks about your appearance? What do you say to stop your parents from complaining to you about their marriage? Plus: Anti-vaxxers, handling disappointment, and how to keep the peace when you get the better office at work. Hear more Prudence by joining Slate Plus: Slate.com/Prudiepod. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nancy Ortberg - Being a leader is about creating a way for people to contribute in order to make something extraordinary happen. Nancy Ortberg discusses two simple ways in which leaders can do this to humanize work. First, she explores the ways God reminds us to look in small places for great things. Second, she tackles the importance of workplace conflict and the need for giving feedback to those we respect.

    Most of us want light, plenty of it, to accomplish the task at hand. We all know the stereotypical photograph of miners working below ground. It’s a picture of them wearing headlamps. They need light to do their jobs. Nancy Ortberg takes us into the dark spiritually speaking... The post Nancy Ortberg on Seeing in the Dark appeared first on Anita Lustrea.

On this episode, I’m in the room with Nancy Ortberg. Nancy currently serves as the Director of Leadership Development at Menlo Park Presbyterian Church in Northern California. She’s a leading voice on the topic of leadership and has written a number of books. Her most recent is  “Seeing in the Dark: Finding God's Light in the Most Unexpected Places” and that’s what we’re discussing today.  In my conversation with Nancy, we cover why God allows us to walk through dark seasons, how God means them to produce joy in our lives, and why it’s so crucial that we fight for faith in community.Buy “Seeing In The Dark” on Givingtons.com: rdmptn.org/InTheRoomBooksFollow Nancy on Twitter: twitter.com/nancyortberg Books Nancy recommended in the episode:rdmptn.org/LamentForASonrdmptn.org/AGraceDisguisedrdmptn.org/MyBrightAbyss

This week, Nancy Ortberg wraps up the TGIM series by hosting a discussion with 4 guests on how God manifests Himself at work.

This week Nancy Ortberg continues the series "Unstuck" with a message on how to make a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves as the next step in becoming "Unstuck."Featured Scripture: Matthew 7:3-5, Psalm 139:23, 1 Corinthians 4:4, Ephesians 2:10, Romans 12:3

Carlos Whittaker sits down with Nancy Ortberg to talk leadership and your natural connection to God. Brad chats with worship leader, Seth Condrey, about songwriting and a major change in his life. We also hear from David Kim of CaseCrown, a great partner of Catalyst. Be sure to listen for a special offer for our Catalyst listeners!

Nancy Ortberg served as a teaching pastor for eight years at Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Illinois. During that time she led Network, a ministry that helps people identify their spiritual gifts and find a place of service in the church, and Axis, a weekly gathering for the 18- to 20-something generation. Nancy is a gifted communicator who is passionate about helping people connect what they believe with their everyday lives. A highly sought-after speaker, Nancy has been a featured presenter at the Catalyst and Orange conferences and has been a regular contributor to Rev! magazine. She and her husband, John, live in the Bay Area and have three children: Laura, Mallory, and Johnny.

Nancy Ortberg served as a teaching pastor for eight years at Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Illinois. During that time she led Network, a ministry that helps people identify their spiritual gifts and find a place of service in the church, and Axis, a weekly gathering for the 18- to 20-something generation. Nancy is a gifted communicator who is passionate about helping people connect what they believe with their everyday lives. A highly sought-after speaker, Nancy has been a featured presenter at the Catalyst and Orange conferences and has been a regular contributor to Rev! magazine. She and her husband, John, live in the Bay Area and have three children: Laura, Mallory, and Johnny.

Nancy Ortberg and Jim Candy

Nancy Ortberg and Jim Candy

Nancy Ortberg and Jim Candy

Nancy Ortberg and Jim Candy

Nancy Ortberg served as a teaching pastor for eight years at Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Illinois. During that time she lead Network, a ministry that helps people identify their spiritual gifts and find a place of service in the church, and Axis, a weekly gathering for the eighteen- to twenty-something generation. She is a founding partner of Teamworx2, a business and leadership consulting firm that provides fast-paced, practical, and compelling sessions to leaders and their teams. Teamworx2 works with businesses, schools, nonprofit's, and churches to address issues of organizational effectiveness and teamwork. Nancy is a gifted communicator who is passionate about helping people connect what they believe with their everyday lives. A highly sought-after speaker, Nancy has been a featured presenter at the Catalyst and Orange conferences, and has been a regular contributor to Rev! Magazine. Nancy is the author of Looking for God: An Unexpected Journey through tattoos, tofu, & pronouns and Unleashing the Power of Rubber Bands, lessons in no-linear leadership.

Nancy Ortberg served as a teaching pastor for eight years at Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Illinois. During that time she lead Network, a ministry that helps people identify their spiritual gifts and find a place of service in the church, and Axis, a weekly gathering for the eighteen- to twenty-something generation. She is a founding partner of Teamworx2, a business and leadership consulting firm that provides fast-paced, practical, and compelling sessions to leaders and their teams. Teamworx2 works with businesses, schools, nonprofit's, and churches to address issues of organizational effectiveness and teamwork. Nancy is a gifted communicator who is passionate about helping people connect what they believe with their everyday lives. A highly sought-after speaker, Nancy has been a featured presenter at the Catalyst and Orange conferences, and has been a regular contributor to Rev! Magazine. Nancy is the author of Looking for God: An Unexpected Journey through tattoos, tofu, & pronouns and Unleashing the Power of Rubber Bands, lessons in no-linear leadership.

Description:Nancy Ortberg discusses about the word 'wonder' and how it can be applied to our relationship with God. Biography: Nancy Ortberg served as a teaching pastor for eight years at Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Illinois. During that time she lead Network, a ministry that helps people identify their spiritual gifts and find a place of service in the church, and Axis, a weekly gathering for the eighteen- to twenty-something generation. A highly sought-after speaker, Nancy has been a featured presenter at the Catalyst and Orange conferences, and has been a regular contributor to Rev! Magazine. Nancy is the author of Looking for God: An Unexpected Journey through tattoos, tofu, & pronouns and Unleashing the Power of Rubber Bands, lessons in no-linear leadership.

A double episode, featuring Nancy Ortberg and Craig Groeschel. Nancy served as a teaching pastor for eight years at Willow Creek, and currently is a founding partner of TeamWorx2. She is the author of the recent release Looking for God. Craig is the founder and senior pastor of LifeChurch.tv, and is the author of Chazown, Confessions of a Pastor, and Going All the Way.

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