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Taylor Lorenz is a brilliant journalist who has been at the forefront of covering internet culture since the early days of Tumblr. Her book Extremely Online: The Untold Story of Fame, Influence, and Power on the Internet delves into the world of influencers, online communities, and the ways in which the internet shapes our behaviors and worldview. She joins Jeff this week to talk about hacking the algorithm, getting stuck in Tinder's “Ugly Jail,” and why some people are trying to move away from finding love on dating apps. The two discuss the complicated nature of living an online life, offering nuanced discussions on topics that are often refused that treatment, like the controversy around those leaked Jonah Hill texts and the saga of “West Elm Caleb.” And honestly? So much more. This episode is packed full of fun, insightful discussions you won't want to miss.Listen to Jeff's podcast Problem Solved here: https://wavepodcastnetwork.com/Keep up with Taylor Lorenz: https://www.instagram.com/taylorlorenz/Get your copy of Big Dating Energy!

Candice Lim is joined by Milly Tamarez and Alise Morales, the co-hosts of Go Touch Grass — a new podcast that dives into the online gossip and niche drama you've missed this week. They dive into their internet diaries, which include Heather Gay memes, West Elm Caleb conspiracy theories and what happens when AI bots cheat on each other. This podcast is produced by Se'era Spragley Ricks, Daisy Rosario, Candice Lim and Rachelle Hampton. ICYMI is sponsored by BetterHelp. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Candice Lim is joined by Milly Tamarez and Alise Morales, the co-hosts of Go Touch Grass — a new podcast that dives into the online gossip and niche drama you've missed this week. They dive into their internet diaries, which include Heather Gay memes, West Elm Caleb conspiracy theories and what happens when AI bots cheat on each other. This podcast is produced by Se'era Spragley Ricks, Daisy Rosario, Candice Lim and Rachelle Hampton. ICYMI is sponsored by BetterHelp. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Candice Lim is joined by Milly Tamarez and Alise Morales, the co-hosts of Go Touch Grass — a new podcast that dives into the online gossip and niche drama you've missed this week. They dive into their internet diaries, which include Heather Gay memes, West Elm Caleb conspiracy theories and what happens when AI bots cheat on each other. This podcast is produced by Se'era Spragley Ricks, Daisy Rosario, Candice Lim and Rachelle Hampton. ICYMI is sponsored by BetterHelp. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Candice Lim is joined by Milly Tamarez and Alise Morales, the co-hosts of Go Touch Grass — a new podcast that dives into the online gossip and niche drama you've missed this week. They dive into their internet diaries, which include Heather Gay memes, West Elm Caleb conspiracy theories and what happens when AI bots cheat on each other. This podcast is produced by Se'era Spragley Ricks, Daisy Rosario, Candice Lim and Rachelle Hampton. ICYMI is sponsored by BetterHelp. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On this week's episode, I have influencer/creator expert Taylor Lorenz. Tune in as we talk about her book, “Extremely Online: The Untold Story Of Fame, Influence, And Power On The Internet” as well as her experiences working as a journalist for “The Washington Post” and “The New York Times”. We also dive into some tidbits she has about social media.Show NotesTaylor Lorenz on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/taylorlorenz/?hl=enTaylor Lorenz on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@taylorlorenz?lang=enTaylor Lorenz on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCp38w5n099xkvoqciOaeFagMichael's Online Screenwriting Course - https://michaeljamin.com/courseFree Screenwriting Lesson - https://michaeljamin.com/freeJoin My Newsletter - https://michaeljamin.com/newsletterAutogenerated TranscriptTaylor Lorenz:These old school entertainment people come on and they don't really understand the app and they clearly are not doing it themselves. They have some content assistant and then they're like, Hey kids, I guess I have to be here now. And it's like, what are you doing here? I will say the musicians do a better job. Megan Trainor has Chris Olsson, but TikTok buddy that, and music is such a part of TikTok, I feel like they get a warmer reception.Michael Jamin:You're listening to, what the Hell is Michael Jamin talking about? I'll tell you what I'm talking about. I'm talking about creativity, I'm talking about writing, and I'm talking about reinventing yourself through the arts.Hey everyone, what the hell? It's Michael Jamin talking about today. I'm going to tell you what I'm talking about. So for those of you who have been listening for a long time, I'm always telling you, just put your work out there. Get on social media, start making a name for yourself, because whether you want to be an actor or a writer or director, you got to bring more to the table than just your desire to get a big paycheck and become rich and famous. If you can bring a market, if you can bring your audience you're going to bring, that brings a lot to the table. And so my next guest is an expert on this, and she's the author of Extremely Online, the Untold Story of Fame, influence and Power on the Internet. I'm holding up her book. If you're watching this podcast, if you're driving in the car, you can imagine that there's a book and has a cover. So please welcome, pull over your car and give a round of applause to Taylor Lorenz. Thank you Taylor for coming and joining me for talking about this. It's an honor meeting you finally.Taylor Lorenz:Yeah, likewise. Excited to be here.Michael Jamin:So you wrote this great book, which I read, and there's so much, I guess there's so much. You actually document the history starting from the beginning of mommy bloggers and all these people who kind of were at the forefront and then built a name for themselves on social media. And so I'm just hoping to talk to you about how we can take some of this information and apply it to the people who listen to my podcast and follow me on social media so that they can help do the same. So I guess starting from the beginning, what was interesting that you pointed out is that women were kind of at the forefront at this whole thing. You want to talk about that a little bit?Taylor Lorenz:Yeah, definitely. I mean, I talk about this in the book, but in the turn of the millennium, the early aughts, this blogging was taking off and there were tons of blogs, and I talk about some of the big political and tech blogs at the time, but it wasn't really until the mommy bloggers entered onto the internet in the early aughts who were these moms, these stay at home moms that really had nothing else to do. A lot of them were shut out of the labor market, and they turned to blogging and ended up really building their own kind of feminist media empires by building audiences. And they were the first to really cultivate strong personal brands online and then leverage those personal brands to monetize.Michael Jamin:And you're right about, I remember this may have been 10 years ago or maybe longer, one of my friends, our screenwriter, she developed a TV show on these mommy bloggers. And I'm like, wait a minute. And there was a couple of people who did that. Max Nik, who was a guest on my podcast a while, a couple weeks ago, same thing. He wrote a show based on shit my dad says, but it's on a Twitter feed and there's all these people. It's so interesting. I was a little late to the game in terms of Hollywood exploiting all these markets, these people who are making names for themselves. Lemme back up for a second though. Why did you decide to even write this book?Taylor Lorenz:Yeah, so I started covering this. I started as a blogger myself a little bit later.Michael Jamin:What were you blogging?Taylor Lorenz:I was blogging about my life, a lot, about my life and a lot of about online culture stuff. I thought that the mainstream media was really bad at covering the internet, and so I thought, I'm going to write about the internet. This was when I was young millennial, right out of college.Michael Jamin:You were writing about your personal life?Taylor Lorenz:Yes.Michael Jamin:Okay. So that's a whole different thing. You're opening yourself up to everything. And was there any, I know I'm jumping around here, I guess I have so many questions, but I don't know, was there backlash from that? Were there repercussions? Because we're talking about people do this. What's the backlash?Taylor Lorenz:Well, this was like 2009, so it was such a different internet, and I'm so grateful, honestly, that I was blogging in that era and not this era because I think I didn't get a lot of backlash. I had a great community. I met some of my best friends, were other bloggers from that era. I became very popular on Tumblr for my single serving like meme, like blogs. So yeah, I think when you're young, you're just kind of trying a lot of different things out. I didn't know what I wanted to do out of college. I'd never studied journalism. I didn't know I was working at a call center and just became popular on the internet and then was like, I guess I'm pretty good at thisMichael Jamin:Stuff. Really? I didn't know that about it. You have a pretty big following on TikTok and Instagram as well, which is so weird because you're writing about something that you are also participating in. I mean, it's almost meta how you are, what you're talking about. No,Taylor Lorenz:Yeah. I mean, I started, had I been able to monetize my blog nowadays, content creators on TikTok, they can monetize in 2009, 2010, couldn't, the best that you could hope for was one of those book deals that Urban Outfitters. Right?Michael Jamin:ButTaylor Lorenz:You couldn't really leverage it into much. I ended up just leveraging it into a career in media, which has been fun. ButMichael Jamin:See, this is what's interesting to me because right now you see so many people on social media, how do I monetize this? Meaning ads or even sponsorships, but there's other ways to monetize outside of brand deals or views on YouTube getting used. So yeah, there's a whole, I don't know. Do you think that's a large percentage of people on the internet? It seems like to me most are doing it to monetize for the brand deals. What's your take on it?Taylor Lorenz:Yeah, I think now that you can monetize in that way, a lot of people, that's their end goal. I'm kind of glad. I mean, it's a double-edged sword. Who knows what I could have done if I was able to monetize, but I'm really glad actually that you couldn't, because I think myself and a lot of other bloggers, we ended up going in a lot of different ways and entering into a lot of media type of jobs that, yeah, I mean would've never gotten otherwise. And I've learned how to be a journalist and I've gotten all these opportunities and my whole career from just experimenting and having fun online. So yeah, I think I always tell people, it's great if you can monetize, get the bag. If somebody comes to you offering you thousands of dollars, why not? But I think it's really good to take that virality and leverage it into, I like what Kayla Scanlan does, or Kyla, she's the economics YouTuber, and she gives all these talks about econ now, and she has a newsletter, and she's able to just do a lot more. It's not just doing a bunch of brand deals online. It's like using it to launch a career and whatever you want to have a career in.Michael Jamin:Yeah, see, I see. That's the funny, I think it's so smart what you're saying. I see some people, I'm like wondering, what's your end game out of this? Is it just to, but what you're saying is the end game, it's interesting. The end game is to do something else. And I wonder if that's what's going on with Hollywood people when I'm encouraging people to, I don't know, put theirselves out there with their art, their writing their music or whatever in my mind, to build an audience following to basically, so you can do the next thing. But I'm wondering how often that if you see that happening for people,Taylor Lorenz:I think the smart ones do recognize it. I feel like the internet, you're just hopping from lily pad to lily pad a lot of the time, which I know that's how a lot of creative people feel. It's just like, I think internet fame in itself can be a goal. I mean, look, someone like Mr. Beast, you've done it. You crack the code. Most people are not going to reach that level. And so it makes a lot of sense. If you're really into food, you're making food content, use that to open your own restaurant or food line or whatever, but use it to go into something that you're interested in because then you still, you always have that online audience. I still have my online audience. I have people that have followed me for a decade and maybe they know me from my blog or I had a Snapchat show in 2016 or things that I've done over the years, but it's always in service of my broader career.Michael Jamin:And so Well, maybe tell me what that is. Do you have a broader goal ahead of all this? Other than getting a book, which is pretty impressive.Taylor Lorenz:I know. I never thought I would write a book. And then just, there was a lot of revisionist history once the pandemic hit in 2021 and all these venture capitalists were pouring money into the content creator world, and TikTok was taking off. People were just kind of like, they were rewriting history. And I was like, I'm going to write the definitive history. I've been around for this. And I always thought it would be interesting to write a book. I didn't know anything about the publishing industry, except I have a couple friends that did those Urban Outfitters typeMichael Jamin:Books. That's so funny.Taylor Lorenz:See,Michael Jamin:Oh, go ahead. I don't cut you off. So your broader goals. Oh, yeah.Taylor Lorenz:I love media. I love media. I want to keep working in media. I love creative sort of endeavors. I like writing. I make videos as I am very obsessed with news media, so I wantMichael Jamin:To, right. So maybe more of that. There's a couple of things in that book, in your book that kind of took me a little bit by surprise. One is there are, well, first of all, I think there are people who make content. This is just my opinion, their content's a little disposable. And so you spoke about people who, I don't know, it's like pranksters who they got to keep upping the prank until it comes to a point where this one woman you're talking about, she was sick to her stomach with the pressure of having to come up with something all the time. And to me, it felt like that's because you're making, I guess I have a rule. I have a rule. I was like, I don't want to spend more than 10 minutes a day on this. But there are people who spend on posting, but there are people who put way a lot of time and pressure on this, and it winds up destroying themselves, don't you think?Taylor Lorenz:Oh, a hundred percent. I mean, there's a whole bunch of that in my book of just the burnout. And I think, like you said, it comes from just making content for content's sake and feeling like it's an extra burden and giving it, it's also when it's your whole livelihood, the stakes become higher. That's why I say you should diversify a little bit.Michael Jamin:Yeah. There was another, the thing that really surprised me that I learned from your book, because I'm a little older, so I don't really know all this stuff, but there's a whole culture of content creators who their job is just to talk shit about other content creators.Taylor Lorenz:And I'm like,Michael Jamin:Oh my God. And I've witnessed some of this stuff, but I didn't realize it's really a thing, like a gossip. They're just gossipers, right?Taylor Lorenz:Yeah. They basically have replaced tabloid news for the internet, and yeah, it's a huge drama channel industrial complex online that you're lucky if you've not encountered.Michael Jamin:Yeah. And do they go anywhere with, what do you think is the end game for them?Taylor Lorenz:Well, I mean, the woman that runs DUIs, which is more of a blind item, celebrity news page, she has a podcast. She also, she wrote a novel kind of based around the content. Others like Diet Prada have really successful newsletters. A lot of the other commentators like Keemstar and stuff, their goal is just to basically run these media empires of gossip, kind of like a TMZ for the internet.Michael Jamin:And then how are they further monetizing though?Taylor Lorenz:They monetize through partnerships and brand deals and a lot through YouTube ads. They get a lot of views. A lot of them get a lot of views on YouTube.Michael Jamin:See, I just turned, maybe I'm crazy, but I turned down a brand deal today because I thought, I don't know, it doesn't align with anything that I stand for. And I was like, am I crazy for turning this down? Or I don't know. But have you get approached by things that, are you turning stuff down?Taylor Lorenz:Well, yeah, I have to turn down so much stuff. I'll never forget a tech company, which I will not name, offered me $60,000 to do three video, three audio chat rooms for them.Michael Jamin:What is an audio chat room?Taylor Lorenz:Like? A live chat type thing? It was going to be like three hours of work. And obviously I couldn't do it because I can't take on sponsored content. I'm a journalist. You can't do that, especially not with a tech company. But I have to say that one really made me question my career choices. Normally people are like, can you promote X, Y, Z? And I explained that I don't do.Michael Jamin:So there's nothing that you can promote a journalist. There's nothing.Taylor Lorenz:I mean, I could theoretically probably promote companies that I don't cover, but I don't really want to, I don't need to make $500 promoting a mop.Michael Jamin:Right, right. Yeah, it's so interesting. You have to protect what you, it's so odd because I don't see a lot of people making brand when I'm scrolling through my pages for you a page on TikTok, I don't see a lot of people making brand deals, but I guess they are, right? Am I not seeing it?Taylor Lorenz:Yeah, the branded content doesn't always live on TikTok. A lot of times they'll create whitelisted content that the brand then promotes in a TikTok ad.Michael Jamin:Wait, when you say white, okay, explain this to me. So whitelisted means the creator. Go ahead.Taylor Lorenz:The creator creates branded content, but it doesn't necessarily live on their feed. They create it for the brand, and then the brand will use that video they made to the creator, like, wow, I love my air stick selfie thing. They'll run ads. So it's using that creator's likeness in the ad. It's the video that they made, but you're not going to see it on their page. You're going to see it in the,Michael Jamin:But do they not put it on their page or you're not going to see it? No one's going to watch it.Taylor Lorenz:Sometimes they do put it on their page, sometimes they don't. I mean, all of these are negotiated in the terms of the ad deals, which are structured increasingly in complicated ways. But I mean, there's a lot of spun con on TikTok. Also, sometimes there's product placement on TikTok. You'll see people doing videos with certain products. Sometimes the products have paid to be in their,Michael Jamin:And they have to mention this, right? They have to, I wasn't aware of this, but theoretically, yes, theoretically. But you're saying they don't always mention it. They don't always say, this isTaylor Lorenz:The sponsor. So the FTC says Yes, and I write about that decision in 2017 when they had to do that. The thing is that a lot of times they can get away with not saying it because it's not directly sponsored. For instance, you could have a long-term, year long partnership with the brand. They could be giving you tons of free product, but they didn't directly pay you for that post. So you feel like, oh, I don't have to disclose it,Michael Jamin:But they paid you for something. I mean, that doesn't make sense. They paid you. It's totally great. Okay. Yeah. ButTaylor Lorenz:People get around it by kind of fudging things.Michael Jamin:Who would get in trouble then if they got caught? The brand, not the TikTok or whatever.Taylor Lorenz:Not really. I mean, they went after Kim Kardashian. If you're that level, they'll go after you. But normally they're going after the brands. The brands are usually doing this. And also it's ultimately the brand or the agency that's running the marketing campaign that's up. It's up to them to enforce it and be like, Hey, put this in your caption.Michael Jamin:You said something else that surprised me in your book is that at one point, maybe it's still this way that the agencies are making the money and many of the creators are not getting that money. Explain to me what happens. I read it twice. It's like, wait, I'm missing something. SoTaylor Lorenz:There's been this explosion in sort of middlemen agencies, management companies that have come in. And what they do is they find these up and coming creators, they sign them into contracts like, Hey, I'll handle all your spun con, or I'll come in and do this deal. And then they take a huge portion, the brand pays maybe a hundred thousand dollars for a campaign. The agency will come in and take 50% of that or something, and then the rest goes to the creators. They allocate it, soMichael Jamin:They're getting something. You couldTaylor Lorenz:Argue that they are providing a service, and that's true, but the less ethical agencies are less upfront about the amount that they're taking.Michael Jamin:Interesting. Oh, they don't tell you how much it is? Probably,Taylor Lorenz:Yeah. They won't tell you what the brand originally paid. They'll just say, oh, it's $10,000 for this campaign. Nevermind that we got a hundred thousand dollars from the actualMichael Jamin:Brand. Oh, wow. Yeah. There's so much to be careful. There really is. And so I asked you a little bit earlier if you knew of many. Okay, so I'll let give you an example from my experience. So I did a show, I don't know, maybe 10 years ago, maybe not maybe 10. And the studio, we had a cast a role, and the studio wanted to get an influencer to play the part because this influencer had a bigger audience than the network had. And he turned it down several times because the money, he was going to paid a lot of money, but the money wasn't worth it to him. He was making more on a daily, which I was shocked about. And so do you know more? Can you speak more to that?Taylor Lorenz:That happens all the time. Yeah.Michael Jamin:Really?Taylor Lorenz:Yeah.Michael Jamin:I thought this guy was crazy, but okay, go on.Taylor Lorenz:Well, I mean, for a lot of content creators, their goal, it depends on the content creators. Some content creators, their goal is to get into Hollywood, and that would be an amazing opportunity for them. But especially the ones at the upper echelon, they're already the a-list of the internet. They're making millions of dollars. They really don't need to engage. And maybe it's a fun thing if they want to do it, and they have time and it's like a novelty type thing, or it adds some sort of legitimacy to them. But a lot of times, if they're spending, for instance, hours on a set, that's money out of their pocket that they could be making a lot. So it kind of doesn't make sense. And people have struggled. Not every content creator succeeds as well. So I think some of them do have that feeling of like, look, I'm really good at this. I know I'm really good at this. I'm making money. Do I want to gamble? Take time away from that. Try my hand at this thing that maybe I have and succeeded at before. It's not always there.Michael Jamin:Maybe I shouldn't even ask this on as we're being recorded. Do you know this guy, nurse Blake? Have you heard of him?Taylor Lorenz:I don't think so. Wait,Michael Jamin:Okay. Because I can't tell if he's a comedian or a nurse, but whatever he is, he's selling out arenas.Taylor Lorenz:Oh, I know this guy. I've seen him before. Yes. He's a comedian, right?Michael Jamin:Well, he doesn't act, but I also see him also posting in the hospital. It seems like he could be selling out arenas, but also he likes doing the rounds or something. I don't know. Yeah.Taylor Lorenz:So it's so funny. I don't know when you joined TikTok, but the earliest content creators on TikTok back in 2018, when it flipped from musically to TikTok, the earliest groups of content creators that emerged were police officers, nurses and service workers. And they were all gaining huge audiences. And I think it's because those jobs have an enormous amount of downtime, and they kind of almost have interesting stages themselves. They're always in the hospital or at Walmart working or whatever. And so there's a lot of people like that on social media that have kind of pivoted their career in that way to,Michael Jamin:Okay. I've been on a TikTok for maybe two and a half years, and at first I was very self-conscious. I was like, isn't this the app where teenage girls shuffle dance? Am I going to be the creepy guy on this app? And you're saying, it's so hard to tell. I mean, the first time, my first week and a half of posts were like this, this is cringey.Taylor Lorenz:They always say, you know what? My favorite quote is that I think all the time Xavier from Party Shirt said this, that everything is cringe until it gets views. And I think that'sMichael Jamin:True. Until it getsTaylor Lorenz:It's popular. It's not cringe anymore,Michael Jamin:I guess. So when you first started posting, did you look to anyone for, I don't know, to emulate?Taylor Lorenz:Yeah. I mean, there's this woman, Katie nais, who's still hilarious internet person, and she's a blogger too. She ended up working at Buzzfeed for a decade. I always just wanted to be like her. She was so creative and funny. She had this website called, I think it was called Party something. She would aggregate really funny party photos, and she just was really good at finding funny things on the internet.Michael Jamin:And do you know, have you reached out to her?Taylor Lorenz:Yeah, now I'm friends with her because I've been obsessed with her for my whole career. So sheMichael Jamin:Very really, so now you have a friendship with her. That's nice. Do you get recognized a lot when you're out and about?Taylor Lorenz:Not in la. No one gives a shit about me in la.Michael Jamin:But when you're out somewhere else, if I'm notTaylor Lorenz:VidCon or something, yeah, usually. I mean, I got recognized in DC on my book tour when I was eating. That was cool. But yeah, sometimes, I mean, when I was doing my Snapchat show, I got recognized a lot more, I think, because a lot of kids were seeing me on the Snapchat Discover Channel thing.Michael Jamin:I was on your link tree, you're everywhere, but are you active on every, I'm like, damn. She's on every platform.Taylor Lorenz:I'm an equal opportunity poster. Well, I mean, I cover this world, so I kind of feel obligated to be on everything. I definitely think Instagram and TikTok are my main ones. And then I have threads also now,Michael Jamin:Which I, are you making different content you posting? Are you reposting or posting brand new stuff? Everywhere.Taylor Lorenz:I repost. If I make a short video for TikTok, I repost it on reels and YouTube shorts. YouTube's always the one that I like. I'm so lazy about, honestly,Michael Jamin:It's hard to grow on YouTube. It's soTaylor Lorenz:Hard to grow, and I don't know, it's just like there's something demoralizing about YouTube.Michael Jamin:Interesting.Taylor Lorenz:But yeah, I think it's because it's like, you know how it is, it's like you post something, you get a hundred thousand views on TikTok, it's doing really well on Instagram. And then you go on YouTube and it's like me, 2000 views, and you're like, oh, I'm aMichael Jamin:Failure. What's the point of that? And you were blocked. Are you still blocked from Twitter or whatever? Twitter is?Taylor Lorenz:Yeah. Elon banned me for a while. I did get back on. I don't really, Twitter is dead to me, honestly.Michael Jamin:What did you do to get banned?Taylor Lorenz:I was, well, he banned me under this rule that he made that said you couldn't promote your links to other social media profiles. And I was promoting my Instagram account, so that's what he technically banned me under. But what he really banned me for is that I reached out to him for comment. I wrote a story about how he completely lied about a bunch of stuff, and I reached out to him for comment. And the minute I reached out to him for comment, I got banned. And then he tried to say, oh, it was actually because she was promoting her Instagram. No,Michael Jamin:That was Oh, interesting. So do you think he was guy, do you, you made it he enemy. He responds. He knows who you are and hates you.Taylor Lorenz:Yeah. Oh, he definitely, yes. I mean, I've interacted with him somewhat frequent basis, but that week I was not the only journalist that was banned for reporting on him. So the same week, drew Harwell, my colleague was banned, and then a bunch of people from the New York Times, we all got banned within a week, soMichael Jamin:Wow. BackTaylor Lorenz:On.Michael Jamin:And then they let you back on. Interesting. And then you're, screw this.Taylor Lorenz:But yeah, Twitter is also just very toxic and political, and I think culture is happening more on TikTok.Michael Jamin:Don't you think they're all toxic?Taylor Lorenz:Oh, totally. But I think Twitter's uniquely toxic. TikTok is toxic in a different way.Michael Jamin:Okay. I want to know what you think the differences are in each platform, because I have opinions, but Okay. Yeah. What are your differences? I mean,Taylor Lorenz:Twitter is just very political, and it's political in a way that there's a lot of, especially as a member of the media, it's like there's a lot of journalists on there. I think it's a giant group chat for a lot of media people. It's stressful. Editors, bosses are on there. I don't really use it. I use it to keep up with, I'm super immunocompromised, and so I keep up with Covid News on there. It's really the only thing I use it for. It's really hard to get news and information because Elon has sort of made so many changes to make it hard to get news on there. So I don't mess with Twitter. TikTok I love. But yeah, I mean, TikTok is just mob mentality. So I mean, I'll never forget. I defended, do you remember West Elm Caleb?Michael Jamin:No. And it's so funny when you say these names. I'm like, these ridiculous names. I'm like, no, I don't know that comic book character.Taylor Lorenz:Okay, well, west Elm Caleb a year and a half ago was getting canceled on TikTok. He was a guy that ghosted a bunch of people. He ghosted a bunch of women, and a bunch of women went on TikTok, like, this guy's a ghoster. And it got so crazy that he got fully doxxed and fired from his job. And anyway, I defended him and I was like, Hey guys, can we calm down a little bit? We haven't even heard this guy's side of the story. I believe he shouldn't be an asshole to women, but I've been doxxed. It sucks. Don't do that. And TikTok, they came for me hard on that one. They were like, no,Michael Jamin:No,Taylor Lorenz:Somebody from West Tom, Caleb.Michael Jamin:And then, yeah. How worried are you about, I worry about that. How worried about you getting haters and stuff?Taylor Lorenz:I've gotten haters. I write about YouTubers for a living. So if I was worried about haters, it doesn't matter. My friend is a pop music writer, and he was saying, he told me a couple years ago, because if anytime you are covering something with a fandom, you're going to deal with haters. And they're vicious, but a lot of them are 11 years old, or they're just online and they're mad andMichael Jamin:Okay. Do you respond to your posts comments on your post? You do.Taylor Lorenz:I do. I try to mean, don't try not to respond to haters. Sometimes I'm weak and I do respond to the haters, but noMichael Jamin:Good comes of it. Right? When you do, no,Taylor Lorenz:No good comes of it. But sometimes you just, I don't know. You just got to, butMichael Jamin:Even if you respond with kindness, which I did today to somebody, he just doubled down on his stupidity. They don't care. Why am I trying to,Taylor Lorenz:They don't care at all. They're like, fuck you.Michael Jamin:Yeah,Taylor Lorenz:Yeah. No, it doesn't help. I mean, sometimes if I'm bored, I've replied something, but I mostly just ignore those people, or I limit my comments and I try to keep it to that only my community's engaging and not a bunch of randos. Or if they have a good faith question, I get a lot of story ideas from people commenting. Or sometimes smart people will comment, you click on their profile, you're like, oh, cool. Person's interesting. Right.Michael Jamin:Okay. Okay. So you sound emotionally mature about this whole thing? Maybe more than I am because I get upset sometimes.Taylor Lorenz:No, trust me, I've had my moments. It's hard. But I think I've just been through it so long. I've been through the cycle so many times that I'm immune.Michael Jamin:And do you talk to your colleagues who, I guess, are they as active as you are on, let say on TikTok? No. Other reporters?Taylor Lorenz:Journalists are not. It's weird with journalists on TikTok. They're not really, journalists are so addicted to Twitter. Twitter is where everyone in the media is. And there's some journalists on TikTok, but not that many. So the ones that are, I think we all try to support each other,Michael Jamin:Or it's just not competitive. Yeah, it's supportive. You think?Taylor Lorenz:I try to be supportive. I don't, like somebody said this really early on of Don't compete collab or something. It was like early thing. And I really like that. I felt that with blogging too. I had made friends with a lot of bloggers. We were all in the same group. And it's just like the internet is really vast and everyone is unique. AndMichael Jamin:There's not tooTaylor Lorenz:Many internet culture reporters either. So,Michael Jamin:Well, that's a question I can't tell how big TikTok is. Sometimes I'll see, oh my God, this creator knows that creator, and they talk whether they stick to each other. I'm like, wow, this is a small place. But then I'm wondering, well, maybe I'm only seeing this wedge of the pie, and it's actually much larger. I can't get a sense of how big this thing is.Taylor Lorenz:It is really big. I mean, it's like billions of users, so it's really big. But I do think that inMichael Jamin:Terms of the creators though, theTaylor Lorenz:Creator community is smaller than you think. And I think the people that are really active, they form a network. And you're always going to get people that are a couple degrees away from people that you follow usually.Michael Jamin:Yeah. Where do you think, I'm certainly not the first person to say this, but during the early days of Instagram, it was always about people. This is the glamorous life. It was all made up. It was like they got sponsored posts to be on a yacht or whatever. They're pretending to be rich and famous or whatever. And because we're all idiots, we're like, wow, they're rich and famous, and they're living that life. And then that somehow evolved to now influences turn to creators, and creators are more authentic. This is my life. Take it or leave it. What do you think there's next? What comes next after that? Do you have any idea? Yeah,Taylor Lorenz:I mean, I think we always flip back and forth between aspirational versus authenticity. And people want a little bit of both. People still want the aspirational content. It's just not everything. And I do think that the authenticity is part of the appeal, and I don't think it's going away anytime soon. But yeah, I don't know. I mean, different content formats perform well depending on what the platform is promoting. So right now, they really want long form video. So I think we're going to see people that succeed in long form grow faster.Michael Jamin:But do you think when you're posting, maybe you don't even want to answer this on the air. I wouldn't blame you. Are you thinking about, oh, this post will do Well, I should talk about this. I know it'll do well. Or is it like, this is what I'm talking about, take it or leave it?Taylor Lorenz:Yeah. It depends on the day. Some days so many times where I'm like, oh, I know this would do well, but I just don't feel like posting today.Michael Jamin:Oh, really? EspeciallyTaylor Lorenz:Lately, oh my God. There's been so many things where I'm like, oh, that's going to go viral. And then I see somebody else posted and I'm like, good. They got the traffic. You have to be early on something. And then sometimes just most stuff I just post because I think it's interesting, and it's just my taste and news and information and just something I found interesting. But howMichael Jamin:Long will you spend on a post? Do you do it again and again until you get it right? No. One take and you're done?Taylor Lorenz:Usually, maybe I'll do two or three if I might rerecord something, but I don't take it that seriously. It's just one of many things I'm doing during the day, so not, and especially since I've been on book tour, I've just been too busy to make. I go through periods and it depends on how busy I am, how many videos I'm making.Michael Jamin:And how much of your personal life, because I know you're talking about technology and you're interviewing people and you're covering events like a journalist, but how much of yourself do you share?Taylor Lorenz:I share my opinions. I mean, I'm very opinionated, and I think I always tell people that you can be very authentic. And I think a lot of people would find me to be very authentic person online. I'm not a shy person or something, but I don't talk about my personal information. Also, it's not that interesting, I think. Oh, butMichael Jamin:People would love to know. People would love to know. I know Date youTaylor Lorenz:Nosy. They're nosy. But I think about all the cool stuff that I did in my twenties, and I'm like, I wish I had TikTok, I think back then, and I was talking about my life more. I was doing more and going out more. And now I'm like, I have a little bit more of a chill life. So sometimes I talk about walking around the Silver Lake reservoir or something, but I'm not like, if I go to a really interesting event, maybe I'll share it. I mean, I just went to Dubai and I actually haven't posted yet, but I'm making a video about that.Michael Jamin:I can't believe you went. That flight is just too long. I would think it wasTaylor Lorenz:So long. It was so long. But I got invited to this book festival, and I thought, when else am I going to go?Michael Jamin:Okay, what is a book festival?Taylor Lorenz:So there's this really big book festival called the Sharjah International Book Festival, and it's huge. And there's thousands of authors and books, and yeah, I got invited to speak, and I thought,Michael Jamin:Oh, you're speaking. So what if you're not speaking, what happens to Is everyone, okay? If you weren't invited to speak, would you be at a booth? What is it? Yeah,Taylor Lorenz:You just attend. I mean, there's thousands of people that attend and they just come from all over to, there's a lot of book buyers, and then there's a lot of publishing industry people in the Middle East and in Europe and that side of the world. And then there's just a lot of people that are interested in meeting the authors, going to panels. There's a lot of celebrity author type people there.Michael Jamin:Who's setting that up? Your publisher or who?Taylor Lorenz:Yeah, the publisher. Actually, I think maybe my book agent forwarded it to me. They were forwarded it to me, look at this random thing, and I was like, no, that's so cool. I want to do it.Michael Jamin:Oh, wow, really? And so did they fly you out?Taylor Lorenz:Yeah, they flew me out. They didn't pay me or anything. They just flew me out and covered my travel, which honestly was enough for me. It was pretty cool. HowMichael Jamin:Many days were you there?Taylor Lorenz:I was only there for three, four days. Four days,Michael Jamin:Including the flight, which was theTaylor Lorenz:Travel was a day on each side because the travel wasMichael Jamin:Long. And then you were there for the rest of the time, and you spoke on the panel? I was on the panel. That's an hour,Taylor Lorenz:Michael. I just did tourist stuff. I didn't have to do anything aside from that, so I was like, let me just go.Michael Jamin:Oh, okay. So it was a chance for you to be a tourist.Taylor Lorenz:Yeah. My friend is an editor over there for Bloomberg, and so we hung out and just did all the cool Dubai stuff together.Michael Jamin:But I'm curious because it's interesting, since you were a journalist, are we supposed to know anything about you? I mean, are there rules? Yeah,Taylor Lorenz:It's so funny. So the old school sort of notions of journalism is like, I'm serious, and I don't talk about my life, and I never share an opinion. I think that's a very outdated and dumb model of journalism that nobody will trust. That's why we have a crisis in media, I think, of trust is because people don't know about, there's so much mistrust in the media, and I'd much rather be upfront with my beliefs and tell people, Hey, look, this is what I'm thinking about the issue. Do you think I'm wrong? Do you think I'm right? Ultimately, the goal of writing any article is to be fair and accurate.Michael Jamin:WeTaylor Lorenz:AllMichael Jamin:Have. I thought you weren't supposed to be biased. I thought you were supposed to. Why do I know? I thought you supposed to. This is theTaylor Lorenz:Fact everyone. Everyone has opinions, right? There's no such thing on earth. The point is, is that you're not allowed. You shouldn't let that kind of shape the story to the point that it alters the truth. But to act like, oh, I don't have opinions as a journalist, that's stupid. We're all human beings. We all have opinions. Baseball writers that write about sports teams, they still are fans of a specific team. That doesn't mean that it's going to shape their coverage. That's the most important thing. It's like, I might love or hate certain things on the internet, but I'm not going to let it affect some story to the point that it would be truthful. You know what I mean?Michael Jamin:This gets into something else. Whereas you're kind of maybe, I don't know if this isn't the right word, but a celebrity journalist, because you recently had a photo spread in this magazine, and they're dressing you up and couture, right? I mean, so what's that about? You're celebrity journalist.Taylor Lorenz:I know. I've been in a couple things like that. Yeah, I mean, look, journalists have always been, it's always been a public facing job. It's always been a public. I mean, Woodward and Bernstein, obviously. Bob Woodward also works at The Post. He's incredibly famous. Anderson Cooper, Barbara Walters, the original female journalist, Katie Couric. All these journalists are, well-known household names because of their journalism, but of course, they're also people. And I think with the internet now, that's all come to a smaller scale. I'm definitely not at those people's levels at all. But with the internet, I think we all follow journalists and content creators. And again, it goes back to transparency. That's what I think is a big problem with that old model of media, where it's like, don't ever speak your opinion or something on anything. Because I think actually when you don't and you try to sort of act like, oh, I don't have an opinion, that's a lie.Everyone has an opinion on everything. Or maybe, but you should just be honest about it because that helps people trust you. I can be like, look, I don't love, this is a total example. I do love Emma Chamberlain, but I could be like, I don't love Emma Chamberlain, but I had the opportunity to interview her editing style was pioneering. It transformed YouTube. I wrote about it in my book, X, Y, Z. I'm not going to let my personal feelings about her color, but I would answer questions about it. If somebody asked me, I'd be like, well, here's my thoughts.Michael Jamin:Okay, so what is your daily life then? Do you freelance all these? How does it work? What is your life?Taylor Lorenz:No, I work for the Washington Post. So I am on our morning meeting every day at 8:00 AM on Zoom.Michael Jamin:Okay. Is no one, well, that's a good question. Is everyone online now? If you work for the Washington Post, does no one go to the office?Taylor Lorenz:They have a big office in Washington, but I moved out here with the New York Times, so I was at the New York Times for several years, and New York Times does have an office in la. So they moved me out here, and then the Post recruited me, and I was like, well, I'm not leaving la. And they have a lot of people from the post in LA obviously as well. Are youMichael Jamin:From, I thought you were from la. No,Taylor Lorenz:No. I live in la, but I'm from New York originally.Michael Jamin:Oh, where are you in New York? Are you from?Taylor Lorenz:Well, I lived on the Upper East Side when I was little, and I lived all over New York. I've lived, I think 11 different neighborhoods,Michael Jamin:But all, not all in Manhattan?Taylor Lorenz:No, no, no, no. Mostly in Brooklyn. I was in Fort Green before I moved.Michael Jamin:Okay. I didn't know that. So you're a New Yorker. Okay. Yeah. And then not anymore. So are you pitching them ideas or are they telling you, this is what we want you to cover today?Taylor Lorenz:It's a mix. I would say it's probably like 80 to 90% coming up with your own ideas. The rest of it. Sometimes there's an editor assigned story. Most of the time it's breaking news. So for instance, the war breaks out. I cover TikTok. I cover the content. So they're like, well, is there an angle on it?Michael Jamin:Why is news? My God. So what is most of your day then? Is it surfing the internet, or is it making calls to experts or whatever?Taylor Lorenz:Yeah, it's a mix. I wish it was surfing the internet all day, but it's a lot of meetings, a lot of, we have editorial meetings where we discuss coverage and we all give feedback on our stories. And I have meetings with my editor to talk about stories. I write features, so I generally write longer pieces. Sometimes I'm working on investigations for months.Michael Jamin:And then how did you have, go ahead. GoTaylor Lorenz:Ahead. Oh, yeah, it's a mix of, I do a lot of interviews and I do a lot of informational interviews, and I do a lot of consuming content andMichael Jamin:Keeping Well, then where did you get the time to write this book? It sounds very busy.Taylor Lorenz:I know. And I didn't take book leave like an idiot. I was like, I'll just do it nights and weekends.Michael Jamin:People go on book leave.Taylor Lorenz:Leave, yeah. But it's unpaid, so that's how they get you. And I didn't want to do that, so I thought I'll just try to do it all on top of my job. And I did, but it took me two years.Michael Jamin:Are you working on your next book? What's that?Taylor Lorenz:No, I'm not doing another book.Michael Jamin:You're done for now, but you will at some pointTaylor Lorenz:Maybe. Sure. Like yours. I don't want to do that right now.Michael Jamin:It was really hard. Why? I know. It was a lot of work, a lot of research, andTaylor Lorenz:Just the fact-checking. I interviewed about 600 people for the book, and it was just a lot. And throughout it all, I make videos, I do. I speak at things. I go to events. I have a lot going on in between.Michael Jamin:And how are you getting these speaking engagements? You're a celebrity now?Taylor Lorenz:No. No, but I talk at industry conferences type stuff a lot. Just like VidCon or things likeMichael Jamin:That. What is VidCon? Stop talking. I know what I'm talking about. I don't even know what that is.Taylor Lorenz:Wait, Michael, you need to come to VidCon next year.Michael Jamin:I don't even know what it is.Taylor Lorenz:Oh my God. VidCon is the largest, soMichael Jamin:Ignorant.Taylor Lorenz:No, no, no. You know what? You would have no reason to know it. It's the biggest conference for, it's a convention for online content creators. It's in Anaheim every year. They also have VidCon Baltimore this year. But it's a big convention where all the big content creator type people get together and the industry sort of.Michael Jamin:So are you going as a guest or are you going as a speaker?Taylor Lorenz:I've mostly, in recent years, gone as a speaker, but I used to go as a guest.Michael Jamin:And so what do you do as a guest?Taylor Lorenz:As a guest, you get to meet your biggest, you meet the big content creators that are there, talkers meet and greets. You go to panels, you can go to events. There's parties. It's kind of like a fun thing if you're up and coming or you care about the internet. It used to be a really big thing. I mean, I talk about this a little bit in the book, but it started in 2010, and it started as this small thing of just the biggest creators on the internet getting together just because there was no event, physical event. And then it got bought by Viacom, and now it's this huge.Michael Jamin:So now they reach out to you to say, we want you to be on a panel or something.Taylor Lorenz:Yeah, I'm always talking about, sometimes I do interviews with big content creators on the main stage. They need somebody to interview Charlie Delio or something. And so I'll do that. Sometimes. I'm talking about, I mean, I did one, I think it was last year or the year before, on news content creators. That's something that people always want me to talkMichael Jamin:About all. So we don't live far for each other. So we'll ride fair. If you like riding in a Jeep, you're not afraid of writing into Jeep.Taylor Lorenz:I think you might be recognized. Maybe you'll be a speaker soon. They love the entertainment people. There was some women they had there one year. They always get some weird entertainment celebrity that has a YouTube channel to come, and they're always really out of place. It's very funny.Michael Jamin:They wait, why would they be out of place if they're famous? If they're a celebrity? They'reTaylor Lorenz:Not internet people. They don't even run their own channel usually.Michael Jamin:Oh, I see. So that's a whole different thing when celebrities put themselves. That's the thing. I read somewhere, well, I guess there was pushback when a celebrity gets on YouTube, it's like, Hey, or TikTok, get off TikTok celebrity. It's like, why is everyone so mad? But I guess maybe talk a little about that. What happens when they try to do that?Taylor Lorenz:I think it's just these old school entertainment. People come on and they don't really understand the app and they clearly are not doing it themselves. They have some content assistant and then they're like, Hey kids, I guess I have to be here now. And it's like, what are you doing here? I will say, the musicians do a better job. Megan Trainor has Chris Olsson, her TikTok buddy that, and music is such a part of TikTok. I feel like they get a warmer reception. But people, I mean, when Reese Smith first joined, people were like, they were in the comments being mean toMichael Jamin:Her. Aren't you rich enough? Reese? But there is some woman I follow, and I was shocked. I'm like, there's so many ways that people are making on this. And she talks about politics, so she's like a punt. That's her passion. So I'm like, okay, let's get her take on it. But she also does these, they're called TRO trips. Have you heard of this TRO Trotro trip? And so basically it's this website. So she'll run a trip in Europe, we're going to Italy for a week, come onto this and you can pay her basically to be your tour guide.Taylor Lorenz:Oh, this, I see. It's like a host. They're hosting you for the tour. Interesting. Oh my gosh,Michael Jamin:Yes. I'm like, how smart. So she basically gets a free trip, but she has to be with people for a week. She's the host. Well,Taylor Lorenz:They were doing that with our New York Times when I was at the New York Times. I think they stopped doing it because one of the reporters was being controversial on the trip, and I think they kind of scaled back the program, but I think they were like, actually, we don't want our reporters talking to the public. But they used to have people travel with New York Times reporters, and that was a way that the New York Times made money off journalists.Michael Jamin:Oh, wow. And for the same kind of thing where let's go tour the Vatican or something.Taylor Lorenz:It would be like tour the Vatican with the TimesMichael Jamin:Reallys recording or whatever. It's so weird. But there's just so many ways for people to, I don't know, make a name for themselves. I was good for her.Taylor Lorenz:Yeah, totally. I mean, there's just endless ways to monetize online.Michael Jamin:I haven't discovered any of them yet, but I'm waiting for it. I got my eyes peeled, but okay, so yeah, so you go to this VidCon thing, you do a panel, and then people want your opinion. And I imagine it's people a lot smaller than you who aspire to be you.Taylor Lorenz:Yeah. Or it's just people in different industries that are there to learn more about the industry or It's a lot of brand people too. The head of marketing for Walmart or something.Michael Jamin:Oh, really?Taylor Lorenz:Want to understand the ecosystem.Michael Jamin:Oh, so they're not talking, I don't know, conferences. I don't know what this is about. It depends.Taylor Lorenz:I mean, sometimes those people, if they're really good, I mean, I actually know the woman who runs the Walmart, influencer marketing was also at this event I was at recently. So that's a bad example. But a lot of times it's like marketers, maybe they're not totally in it yet, or they're a brand that wants to understand the content creator world, but they don't. Maybe they're not doing that yet, or they want to do more of it. So they go to these events to build connections. AndMichael Jamin:So you're saying, I should go to this thing.Taylor Lorenz:I think you should go to VidCon. It's interesting. It's fun to just go to once. And there's a lot of fans there too. So there's the industry side, then there's the fan side, and then there's just all these sort of adjacent events.Michael Jamin:Hey, it's Michael Jamin. If you like my content, and I know you do because listening to me, I will email it to you for free. Just join my watch list. Every Friday I send out my top three videos of the week. These are for writers, actors, creative types, people. You can unsubscribe whenever you want. I'm not going to spam you, and the price is free. You got no excuse to join. Go to michaeljamin.com. And now back to what the hell is Michael Jamin talking about?Alright, so what about other people who have, I guess, transition from, I guess I'm saying, what I'm thinking is how can we help my listeners into, I don't know, everyone turns to me for like, Hey, what should I put on? It's like, I don't know, just build a following. Do you have advice for them?Taylor Lorenz:Everyone asked me the same thing, and I'm like, I wish it was easy. If I could give you a three step thing, we would all have millions of followers. I mean, a huge part is consistency, which is very hard. And I have to say, you post forever. You can't get obsessed with the views because people just quit and they feel like, oh, if you have an audience of 500 people, that really matters. It is very much about creating more of a community of people, and it is scale. So I think it's just, that's so valuable, and it also matters who's following you, rather than just getting random views. You want influential or interesting or whatever type of market you're trying to go for. You want the right people to follow you.Michael Jamin:Well, this is something that I was always perplexed at the beginning of TikTok, so I guess both of them, but on TikTok, you have followers that are, I get all these followers. I'm like, but if I have all these followers and only a 10th of them are seeing an average post or less, what's the point? Why? Why do I keep track of this metric? Why do they have the metric of followers if they don't show it to your followers?Taylor Lorenz:The way that I explain TikTok is following is just one signal to the algorithm. It's one signal out of probably thousands. And so it's useful. It's like, I have an affinity to this person. Obviously, you follow people too. Then you're mutuals, and then you can DMM with each other more, or comment. Sometimes you can put videos to Mutuals only. So there is a value, I think, in following, but most of people's experience is of consuming content on TikTok is obviously through the for you page. So I wouldn't even, followers doesn't matter that much, right?Michael Jamin:It doesn't.Taylor Lorenz:And also it's like, again, it goes back to who is following you. There's so many creators that people always wonder this with press, because people are like, why? How do I get written about? And it's really not about how big you are. It's like, do you have something new and interesting, or have you cultivated some sort of unique audience that maybe hasn't been served before? Things like that. So you don't have to be the biggest,Michael Jamin:Well, I say this, there's this one guy, I'm trying to remember his name, but he has a show, he's sold a show somewhere. I should know his name, but it was a Twitter feed, and he was just writing, he had a thriller. So every day he posts a little different line from this thriller he was writing. Oh, cool. And then it just blew up because it's mystery and suspense, and people wanted to find out what was in the basement or whatever. Then he was able to, I was like, oh, that's a good idea. So he did it. And so I don't know. Are you following any other people who do anything like that?Taylor Lorenz:Twitter. Twitter. There was this period on Twitter where there were a lot of TV writers and comedians were trying things out there, and you could really get traction, and people were looking at Twitter. Now, no one's looking at that anymore. I would say it's much more TikTok and Instagram for comedy, and that's just where it is. But I mean, things people make, I mean, I was interested, this guy, Ari Kagan, who is kind of like a young director, content creator. He doesn't like to be called a content creator, but he just sold a show with Adam McKay, where they're making it for TikTok.Michael Jamin:They're making it for TikTok. Wait a minute, what does that mean?Taylor Lorenz:They're going to make it on TikTok. It's going to live on TikTok, I guess,Michael Jamin:But not as, what we do is some kind of different TikTok channel or something where it's long form.Taylor Lorenz:Yeah, yeah, it's, hold on, let me find it. I want to actually get it right. Oh, yeah. Here. It's a series that they're making on TikTok. Hold on. It happened when I was, okay. I just put it in the chat. Okay. Yeah, I think it's scripted. Yeah, it's a scripted series to run on TikTok.Michael Jamin:So you may or may not. That means you may or may not see it like we were just talkingTaylor Lorenz:About. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so I guess they're hoping that it'll perform well. I'm sure they're going to put paid media behind it, butMichael Jamin:Oh, okay. Oh, okay. How interesting. Yeah, this whole thing is so you got to be honest, people are always saying, how do I break into Hollywood? And I'm thinking, well, you don't need to. You can do this on your own.Taylor Lorenz:I mean, Ari did a lot on his own initially. I think that's how a lot of people get in there, is they sort of start making their own little projects. I mean, one person that I think has done this really well, he is an actor. His name is Brian Jordan Alvarez. Do you know him?Michael Jamin:No.Taylor Lorenz:Oh my God.Michael Jamin:So I got to know who.Taylor Lorenz:Alright,Michael Jamin:Put him in the chat.Taylor Lorenz:I'm going to put him in the chat. He was an actor on Will and Grace and he was in Megan, and he is very funny. I'll put, oh, he has a Wikipedia now. He's big time. He's an actor, but it makes this really amazing content. And he started making music online and these series online and I think it's like helped him a lot. I mean, everyone knows who he is now. He's been in Time Magazine and stuff, and it's mostly from his, he made this YouTube series a while ago that was popular, and then his tiktoks took off and he started making music. But it's like,Michael Jamin:All right, I got to follow this guy. You're sayingTaylor Lorenz:He's very funny, but it's just raised his profile a lot. I think what he does on the internet, and he does it in a really fun way. And I listened to him on a podcast recently, and he was just saying how it's led to more people kind of knowing his work, and obviously people see his work and then they want to work with you.Michael Jamin:Right. Do you have a podcast yet?Taylor Lorenz:Careful.Michael Jamin:Maybe I might tune.Taylor Lorenz:We'll see, I had one and then the New York Times made me quit it. The Times is crazy about outside projects, so I quitMichael Jamin:It. Oh, really? Hope that the post is not as, maybe they don't.Taylor Lorenz:They're better. That's why I work there now.Michael Jamin:Wow. You got your hand in so many different things. Yeah. I don't know. I just thought you're absolutely fascinated because you are an expert, but you're also in it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Is it overwhelming for you?Taylor Lorenz:I think I have good boundaries because I mean, I'm grateful to be a millennial where I think it's harder for the 22 year olds today where everything, their whole social life is so enmeshed in the internet. I think I have a healthy distance from it, and I have friends that are just my friends that aren't internet.Michael Jamin:So your boundaries are basically how much time you're willing to invest every day on being online. And also justTaylor Lorenz:Like I have a very strong sense of self, and I think when you get on the internet, everybody tries to push you into doing things or making content or being like, oh, you should do this, or, oh, you should do this. And I have always had a mind of, actually, I know what I want and I'm going to do this, and I'm just going to do only what I want. I know who I am if people, because it's hard on the internet and sometimes things perform well. So if I had continued to talk about my life, I think that probably would've performed well back when I was blogging, but I made the decision to just stop doingMichael Jamin:That. But you're right, if something's controversial, I try to steer away from controversy. I feel like I'm just here to talk about art and entertainment and writing and Hollywood, but I also know if I took a bigger stand on things and pissed people off, it would go viral. But then what's the point of this? I don't know.Taylor Lorenz:Then you get all these haters. I've written a lot of political stories that have to do with the content creator world and the political ecosystem, and so those are some of my most viral stories. But I have to say, it just gets you a lot of people that then follow you. They feel like, oh yeah, she's on our side on this, or whatever, or, oh, I hate her. She wrote about this content creator that. So I think it's just better to just be true to yourself. Yeah,Michael Jamin:Though I did a post couple, maybe when I first started off and it went, somehow Yahoo picked up on it and I was on Yahoo Entertainment News. My first reaction was, oh no. You know what I'm saying? Oh no. People know about me. It felt wrong. I don't know. I was like, I don't want people knowing about me.Taylor Lorenz:I know. It feels really, I mean, I've struggled with that a lot, and I actually really like being in LA for this reason. I was thinking just the past few years, more and more people start to know who you are and start writing about you, and that is such a mind fuck. I used to really believe, oh, every journalist is so great and they only have the best interests at heart of, and that is just not true. Unfortunately, there's a lot of places that just aggregate things for clicks and whatever, or they're very partisan in certain ways, and yeah, it's very hard. I used to run around trying to correct people. I tried to correct my own Wikipedia page, and then now I'm like, I gave up on all of that. I don't care.Michael Jamin:See, that's something I still frightens me a little bit is when people will stitch me or they'll make me the face of whatever argument they want. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Keep me out of it. I never said any of this. I didn't sign up for that. This is your thing. I know that frightens me a little bit,Taylor Lorenz:I think, because everybody uses each other as characters online, and so it's like you're the main character. Then you just use all these other people around you as supporting characters and whatever you're trying to do on the internet,Michael Jamin:I thinkTaylor Lorenz:Really, butMichael Jamin:Well, that's what scared me about what you wrote in your book, but those people who just, they're whatever, they gossip about other tiktoks like, whoa, whoa, whoa. This just feels so wrong to me. Just do your own thing.Taylor Lorenz:I know.Michael Jamin:Don't try to cancel me. What are you doing?Taylor Lorenz:I know my first job in media was at the Daily Mail, and it was such a great training ground for media because tabloid news is just so relentless, and

In this special episode taped from the iHeart Music Festival in the Bose recording booth, Bridget and Mike talk about the rise of many-to-many social surveillance via social media and what it means for all of us.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

At some point in my youth, my school brought in these Kid News Shows that we would watch at the start of the day. Logistically, I don't know how this was possible as we were still in the AV cart era and there surely weren't enough TVs for all the classrooms. Maybe it was a weekly experience? I don't know. But I remember these kid reporters. They always seemed a little absurd to me, like, they were playing reporter and taking it all a little too seriously. It felt a little like dressing up a pet in a costume and then making it read the news. It was kind of cute and also a little off. I was listening to a podcast recently that brought those Kids News Networks to mind. It's a podcast about internet culture and is very much not made for me. I listen to it because, sometimes, it can explain internet mysteries I am just too out of the loop to understand. Mr. Beast, West Elm Caleb, BYU Virgins, etc – these are all things I have (sort of) learned about. I like knowing things. I've listened to this podcast for a couple of years and this is the first time the Kids News Network came to mind. I think it's because they have settled on some standard questions for their guests and those questions make it clear that they are not speaking to me or anyone in my generation or older. It's kids talking to kids, I guess? (Except, of course, they are not kids. They are full grown adults with their own apartments and this podcast is their job.) To read more of Internet Memories and Fandoms visit the Songs for the Struggling Artist blog. This is Episode 363 Song: Fish N Chip Paper Image by Lorenz Frolich via Old Book Illustrations To support this podcast: Give it 5 stars in Apple Podcasts. Write a nice review! Rate it wherever you listen or via: https://ratethispodcast.com/strugglingartist Join my mailing list: www.emilyrainbowdavis.com/ Like the blog/show on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SongsfortheStrugglingArtist/ Support me on Patreon: www.patreon.com/emilyrdavis Or help me pay off my tickets to and from Crete on Kofi: http://ko-fi.com/emilyrainbowdavis or PayPal me: https://www.paypal.me/strugglingartist Join my Substack: https://emilyrainbowdavis.substack.com/ Follow me on Twitter @erainbowd Me on Mastodon - @erainbowd@podvibes.co Me on Hive - @erainbowd Instagram and Pinterest Tell a friend! Listen to The Dragoning here (it's my audio drama) and support via Ko-fi here: https://ko-fi.com/messengertheatrecompany As ever, I am yours, Emily Rainbow Davis

We have Ashley Hamilton (Celebrity Memoir Book Club) on to chat with us this week. We learn about West Elm Caleb. Myka introduces a new segment? The audio is a little off in the first 6 minutes I am sorry Myka had her mic off.  Get 100+ Extra Episodes Here https://www.patreon.com/GreatHang   Follow Myka @Mykafox https://twitter.com/MykaFox https://www.instagram.com/mykafox/   Follow Tim https://twitter.com/MayorOfFartTown https://www.instagram.com/hot_comic69/   Check Out Tough Questions with Jeff and Tim  iTunes https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tough-questions/id1669524479   Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/0fy4RZhE6uE6WReq9jVP4O?si=c24824663daf4408   Ask Your Own Question Sign Up for The Patreon HERE! www.patreon.com/ToughQuestions

On today's show, Rachelle is joined by Slate staff writer Nitish Pahwa for a mailbag episode. The two answer questions about Jojo Siwa's rumored pregnancy, the fate of the music industry after an AI-generated Drake song went viral and the most recent instance of internet vigilantism. This podcast is produced by Se'era Spragley Ricks, Rachelle Hampton and Daisy Rosario. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On today's show, Rachelle is joined by Slate staff writer Nitish Pahwa for a mailbag episode. The two answer questions about Jojo Siwa's rumored pregnancy, the fate of the music industry after an AI-generated Drake song went viral and the most recent instance of internet vigilantism. This podcast is produced by Se'era Spragley Ricks, Rachelle Hampton and Daisy Rosario. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On today's show, Rachelle is joined by Slate staff writer Nitish Pahwa for a mailbag episode. The two answer questions about Jojo Siwa's rumored pregnancy, the fate of the music industry after an AI-generated Drake song went viral and the most recent instance of internet vigilantism. This podcast is produced by Se'era Spragley Ricks, Rachelle Hampton and Daisy Rosario. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On today's show, Rachelle is joined by Slate staff writer Nitish Pahwa for a mailbag episode. The two answer questions about Jojo Siwa's rumored pregnancy, the fate of the music industry after an AI-generated Drake song went viral and the most recent instance of internet vigilantism. This podcast is produced by Se'era Spragley Ricks, Rachelle Hampton and Daisy Rosario. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Caleb was a very bad boy. But did we have to John Tucker him x 1 million? Hannah and Maia get personal about life in the trenches of online dating, and whether or not doxxing is a justified means to a feminist end. Intro and Outro song by our talented friend Ian Mills: https://linktr.ee/ianmillsmusic Sources: Camille Cobb and Tadayoshi Kohno, “How Public Is My Private Life? Privacy in Online Dating” Proceedings of the 26th International Conference on World Wide Web, (2017). Katie Notopolous, “Caleb From West Elm Is Bad At Dating But Probably Didn't Deserve Being Pushed Through The TikTok Meat Grinder” Buzzfeed News (2022). https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/katienotopoulos/caleb-from-west-elm-meme

Subscribe to our weekly Substack, infinite scroll: https://centennialbeauty.substack.com/  For our last episode of season 3, we recap the 12 biggest viral moments of the year! Timestamps: 7:01 West Elm Caleb 11:48 The Oscars slap 16:37 Revolve Festival 22:19 Kim Kardashian & the Marilyn Monroe dress 26:36 BBL body to the "return of thin culture" 31:08 Don't Worry Darling drama 36:14 Johnny Depp v Amber Heard 38:10 Queen Elizabeth dies & Trisha Paytas trends   41:51 Elon Musk buys Twitter 48:00 Kanye West's downfall 53:25 Taylor Swift The Eras Tour Ticketmaster debacle  59:21 Balenciaga cancelled Follow us: https://www.instagram.com/centennialbeauty/?hl=en Join our closed FB group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/3178046912258044 Resources: https://zeefeed.com.au/west-elm-caleb-ethics/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Smith%E2%80%93Chris_Rock_slapping_incident https://centennialbeauty.com/tiktok-expose-revolve-festival-2022/ https://www.wmagazine.com/culture/kim-kardashian-marilyn-monroe-dress-met-gala-prep https://www.thedailybeast.com/buccal-fat-removal-is-the-hot-new-plastic-surgery-trend-everyones-talking-about?ref=home https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/dont-worry-darling-drama-explained/chris-pine-spit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depp_v._Heard  https://centennialbeauty.com/queen-elizabeth-reincarnated-trisha-paytas-viral-meme/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/11/03/1062752/twitter-may-have-lost-more-than-a-million-users-since-elon-musk-took-over/  https://www.searchenginejournal.com/elon-musks-twitter-takeover-a-timeline-of-events/470927/#close  https://abcnews.go.com/Business/timeline-elon-musks-tumultuous-twitter-acquisition-attempt/story?id=86611191 https://www.nytimes.com/article/kanye-west-timeline.html  https://theweek.com/kanye-west/1017995/a-complete-timeline-of-kanye-wests-antisemitism-fallout https://centennialbeauty.com/taylor-swift-eras-tour-presale-ticketmaster-tiktok-drama-what-went-wrong/ https://www.wired.com/story/taylor-swift-ticketmaster-department-of-justice/  https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/28/style/balenciaga-campaign-controversy.html 

I can't imagine what it must be like to grow up on social media, especially as someone who says things in public—to try to figure out who you are as an adult while living under the panoptic gaze of TikTok and Instagram, or to have one's intellectual identity shaped by the performative shoutysphere of Twitter. I'm old enough to have missed all that, but Rayne Fisher-Quann, a 21-year-old Canadian writer who has built a large presence on social media and a cult-favorite Substack called Internet Princess, has forged her life and career in the attention economy. How has she dealt with it? With a soul-saving dose of self-awareness. “I think almost everybody who posts to some degree on the internet is addicted to attention,” she says. “I mean, most of these apps literally try to make you addicted to the attention, actively.” And she's acutely attuned to the dark sides, noting that the things that win the most attention on social media are those she considers ethically wrong. If she has her way, she'll be living on a farm by the age of 35, largely disconnected from the internet. For now, however, she remains very online and very interesting. Rayne communicates on social media and Substack with intelligence and wit to a devoted audience mostly made up of teenagers and young women. Her followers devour her takes on the shaming of public-facing women, the real motivations behind the takedowns of “West Elm Caleb,” and the attacks on Amber Heard. They laugh at her jokes on TikTok, thrill to her (sometimes private) tweets, and go deep with her in Substack Chats.In this conversation, which we recorded live in front of an audience at Substack HQ, we talk about the hostility of TikTok, where people are constantly seeking to misunderstand each other; how she cultivates an online persona that's close to, but not quite, her real self; and treading the fine line between an open discussion of mental illness and the commodifying of it through social media. “It's tough,” she says, “because the fan base that I have, and the way that I can present myself, almost anything that I do can become an object of envy or an object of romanticization, which is really strange.”https://internetprincess.substack.com/Publishing note: The Active Voice will be on break for a few weeks over the holidays. See you in January, 2023!Rayne's recommended reads:https://franmagazine.substack.com/https://kieranmclean.substack.com/https://evilfemale.substack.com/Show notes* Subscribe to Internet Princess on Substack* Find Rayne on Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok* Rookie Mag by Tavi Gevinson * [4:53] Becoming famous on TikTok* [6:31] Being misunderstood online* [10:54] Insulating against the backlash* [13:00] The performance of women writers* [14:40] Creating an internet persona* [16:34] Growing up with blogs* [17:56] Writing in lowercase* [20:40] Mental health communities * [23:25] Being made into a Spotify playlist* [27:01] Pitching to Vice* [27: 53] Rayne's writing process* [30:17] Roots in activism* [33:37] Being chemically addicted to attention* [40:07] Big tech * [40:59] Dreams for Rayne's future* [42:14] Role models* [46:17] Making a living as a young writer* [49:27] Dropping out of university* [51:21] Getting a job* [54:17] Recommended writersThe Active Voice is a podcast hosted by Hamish McKenzie, featuring weekly conversations with writers about how the internet is affecting the way they live and write. It is produced by Hanne Winarsky, with audio engineering by Seven Morris, content production by Hannah Ray, and production support from Bailey Richardson. All artwork is by Joro Chen, and music is by Phelps & Munro. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit read.substack.com

The girlies review the most notable pop culture happenings from our cursed year 2022. Ranging from West Elm Caleb to HRH collection's parking lot wedding to Queen Elizabeth's death and subsequent reincarnation, we really cover it all. Plus, a special category for the most insane Twitter discourse we saw this year. Support the podcast on Patreon at patreon.com/binchtopia Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The internet has been as wild as ever this year, delivering stories like West Elm Caleb, the Liver King, the Bridgerton musical and its legal woes, and more. On today's episode, Rachelle Hampton is joined by Time's Moises Mendez II and BuzzFeed's Kelsey Weekman to talk about everything they lived through online in 2022, discussing the good, the bad, and the truly cursed. This podcast is produced by Daniel Schroeder, Rachelle Hampton, and Daisy Rosario. Subscribe to Slate Plus at http://slate.com/icymiplus Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The internet has been as wild as ever this year, delivering stories like West Elm Caleb, the Liver King, the Bridgerton musical and its legal woes, and more. On today's episode, Rachelle Hampton is joined by Time's Moises Mendez II and BuzzFeed's Kelsey Weekman to talk about everything they lived through online in 2022, discussing the good, the bad, and the truly cursed. This podcast is produced by Daniel Schroeder, Rachelle Hampton, and Daisy Rosario. Subscribe to Slate Plus at http://slate.com/icymiplus Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The internet has been as wild as ever this year, delivering stories like West Elm Caleb, the Liver King, the Bridgerton musical and its legal woes, and more. On today's episode, Rachelle Hampton is joined by Time's Moises Mendez II and BuzzFeed's Kelsey Weekman to talk about everything they lived through online in 2022, discussing the good, the bad, and the truly cursed. This podcast is produced by Daniel Schroeder, Rachelle Hampton, and Daisy Rosario. Subscribe to Slate Plus at http://slate.com/icymiplus Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The internet has been as wild as ever this year, delivering stories like West Elm Caleb, the Liver King, the Bridgerton musical and its legal woes, and more. On today's episode, Rachelle Hampton is joined by Time's Moises Mendez II and BuzzFeed's Kelsey Weekman to talk about everything they lived through online in 2022, discussing the good, the bad, and the truly cursed. This podcast is produced by Daniel Schroeder, Rachelle Hampton, and Daisy Rosario. Subscribe to Slate Plus at http://slate.com/icymiplus Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's the offseason baby! Join us as we talk about Julie's bday celebration that Yue was in town for plus the big debate we got into re: sleeping with a partner (not in the way you think). We're also reairing the episode we did on Sydney Lotuaco's podcast 'Something to share' all about how to navigate modern dating in today's world. We discuss avoiding dating scenarios like the extremes of West Elm Caleb and the Tinder Swindler, the shifts in dating over the past 6 years, and how to get inspired to continue your dateable jouney to enjoy dating again!Follow Sydney @sydneylotuaco and check out her podcast 'Something to Share'Follow us @dateablepodcast. Check out our website for more content, virtual live show dates, and merch. Join the Sounding Board at https://www.dateablepodcast.com/soundingboardThank you to our partners for this episode:Kensington Books: Kensington's newest titles The Last Mile and The Last Goodnight by Kat Martin. You can find both titles wherever books are sold or visit kensingtonbooks.comEttitude: Get 20% off your order of bamboo sheets, plus free shipping for a limited time when you visit https://www.ettitude.com/dateableCover art Photography Credit: Larry Wong #lwongphotoDateable is part of the Frolic Podcast Network. You can find more outstanding podcasts to subscribe to at frolic.media/podcastsSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/dateable-podcast/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Espresso, West Elm Caleb, the Amazon show "As We See It", Dating, solving death. ------------------ Patreon: www.patreon.com/pinkocommieslutz Rate us on Apple Podcasts: apple.co/2yI1lGW Follow us on Twitter: @pinkocommieslutz Bunny @bunnythemelis Steve @pinkosteve Cover Art and Theme Song by @eviljekyll on Twitter --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/pinkocommieslutz/support

Yue Xu and Julie Krafchick of the Dateable podcast stop by to help our listeners learn how to be 'dateable'. They have been helping modern daters navigate the complicated dating world for six years now as one of the top 10 dating podcasts. They have tons of insight, advice, and understanding for the modern dater. This episode will make you feel seen, have you reminiscing on your dating woes, and give you all the tools you need for success in the dating world! Sydney and Dateable talk: -The shifts they've seen in dating over the past 6 years -How to navigate modern dating and the shift of gender roles -Answer all your tough dating questions -How to avoid dating scenarios like the extremes of West Elm Caleb and the Tinder Swindler -Getting inspired to continue your dateable journey and enjoy dating again! Reach out! Host: @sydneylotuaco @somethingtosharepodcast Guest: Follow the @dateablepodcast More on Dateable here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

If you play video games, be cautious of this episode.Turning Red spoilers end at 00:26:45Fresh spoilers end at 00:51:25PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/LFABEMAIL: askletsfightaboss@gmail.comTWITTER: https://twitter.com/LetsFightABossINSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/letsfightabossQuest Log:Turning Red, Fresh, Point BreakStrategy Talk:Elden Ring, Tunic, Halo Infinite, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, HoaQuicktime Events:- Ikumi Nakamura announces a new game studio in Tokyo called UNSEEN- Testament is returning to Guilty Gear Strive- Speaking out about the double standard of abuse from staff in small independent game development studios known for making wholesome games - Mountains (Florence), Fulbright (Gone Home, Tacoma), Funomena (former producer on Journey, Wattam), Moon (Ori series)Loot Drop:Niamh:People Make Games on YouTube - Investigating Three Indie Superstars Accused of Emotional Abuse - https://youtu.be/xDPzZkx0cPsJohn:Sarah Z on YouTube - The Horrifying Panopticon of West Elm Caleb - https://youtu.be/EeCi4CSqtzwBryan:Super Mario 64 Complete Clear Guide Book - https://mega.nz/file/RFdnlLZA#2QYK7zM85udxaCnMqx2Miw-hCDbl_2kbSZIkCBRGS6wEditing:Oni Dino - https://twitter.com/Oni_DinoOutro Music:Twinkle Park on SoundCloud - https://soundcloud.com/twinklepark/lets-fight-a-boss-outro-theme

Definitely one of our more offbeat episodes…only we could go from paella to Gwyneth Paltrow…all girl mariachi bands…sorry Orlando, your water sucks…like everyone in the 60s, Joan Crawford probably made pretty gross recipes…many phrases don't translate…Putin se la esta viendo mal…we've got questions about the Hugo Chavez advisor bird…West Elm Caleb or Ikea Sven…an extra $0.25 starts to add up…como habia gente in front of DJ at 7-11…how turned around was that poor guy thinking it was a Chevron… Theme Song: Pero Let Me Freestyle, composed by Michael Angelo Lomlplex - the Official Gay Guy www.PeroLetMeTellYouShop.com The Fair: https://www.fairexpo.com

If you dig this unlocked Patrons-FIRST episode, consider helping us grow by subscribing at Patreon.com/ThePopularPod. From the comedy of West Elm Caleb to the tragedy of an online antisemitism hunter: we reconvened with the Internet's finest anthropologist, Katherine Dee/Default Friend, to discuss how the dynamics of digital media code our personal lives and politics today. Our case studies are the mass TikTok call out of an undistinguished New York fuckboy, and the suicide of a well-liked Humanities lecturer whose online life had become a vigilante mission against Jeremy Corbyn's Left. PLUS how the Left and Right are responding to the problem of digital media ownership.

From The Tinder Swindler, to West Elm Caleb, Kanye West and Julia Fox, everyone's talking about love bombing right now. So what exactly is it? And what's the difference between someone genuinely being into you and someone who's toxic? In this episode we've got everything you need to know about love bombing. If you need support contact: 1800 RESPECT: 1800 737 732 Lifeline: 13 11 14 QLife: 1800 184 527 For questions or topic suggestions email thehookup@abc.net.au or dm us @triplejthehookup https://www.instagram.com/triplejthehookup

Four Canadian provinces announce they'll drop pandemic restrictions—and parliamentarians across the isle give Prime Minister Justin Trudeau a not-so-polite Canadian shellacking. Mary Katharine and Vic dive into the case of West Elm Caleb and ask if he's really the monster social media has made him out to be. Last, but certainly not least, we address Adidas's titillating advertisement—link NOT included in show notes. Times: 00:12 - Segment: Welcome to the Show  06:41 - Segment: The News You Need to Know 07:29 - Vaccine mandate protests continue in Canada, and four provinces announce they'll drop restrictions  15:21 - Purveyor of “trauma” West Elm Caleb, and the New York Times asks a great question 25:44 - Several democratic-led states drop mask mandates, and the White House and health experts change their mind on the Centers for Disease Control's face covering guidance  38:00 - Adidas tweets boob grid (perhaps out of a medical textbook?) to advertise sports bra line  Link  New York Times article, If Everything is ‘Trauma,' Is Anything? 

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Do we have a story for you!!! On today's episode, things get a bit horrifying.... (5:10) We hear about the CRAZIEST first date! From the date boldly saying that he "likes to eat ass" only minutes into the date, to chopping off a piece of her hair to save as a trophy (and that's just the beginning). This story was spine-chilling. (15:19) We then get to speak with the date herself and find out the exclusive info! (26:46) Next, we speak with online dating expert Coach Candice from NYC Wingwoman LLC, to learn about those online dating red flags to avoid so that we don't end up in these scary situations. She gives the listeners tips in order better their dating profile - such as various conversation starters, the best dating apps of 2022, which photos to have on your profile, and so much more. (47:55) Finally, we talk about "West Elm Caleb" the viral dating "Ghoster", and our thoughts on exiting relationships. . To see the photos discussed in this episode, head over to @ChattermouthPodcast on Instagram! . . Visit our website www.ChattermouthPodcast.com . . Email us at TheChattermouthPodcast@gmail.com . . Learn about our Book Read our Book . . Follow us on Instagram @ChattermouthPodcast @MotherDaughterTwins. . Host Cher's Tiktok/Instagram/Twitter- @Cherhubsher . . Host Dawn's Tiktok/Twitter @Dawnhubsher Instagram @Dawn.Hubsher

This week's episode covers how to create the best profile to achieve your desired dating goal. They also share successful dating profile bios and pictures. They also cover the “West Elm Caleb” scandal and how to avoid dating disasters.Plugs of the WeekDrinks First - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/drinks-first/id1480724877https://soulmate88.co/SocialsIG: @thanks4urconcern @berenicediazm @ellaltudor

The girlies talk about the legendary birthday party that Anya threw for Nika, Nika talks to The Besties from the other side (her late 20's) Anya talks about a traumatic day at the doctors, Anya and Nika unpack the drama of West Elm Caleb, talk in depth about the highs and lows of anal sex, and Anya takes us on a deep dive about the time things got emotionally (and sexually) weird with a client. Nika tells us about an accident that led to the discovery of Penicillin. -- SUBSCRIBE TO OUR PATREON FOR WEEKLY BONUS EPISODES: https://www.patreon.com/bestmistakespod Hosted by Nika Lomazzo (@nikalomazzo) & Anya Volz (@anyavolz), produced by Elisa Coia (elisa_etc). Follow the podcast @bestmistakespod and email your submissions to bestmistakespod@gmail.com --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/bestmistakespod/message --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/bestmistakespod/message

It's the first episode! This week Brooke and Connor discuss the West Elm Caleb drama, joke about Axel from TikTok, and review the new season of Euphoria. Email us at DearBandC@gmail.com !! Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/bandc  Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0zzyfgW2qW6y6w5molhrps?si=jH9rkpg6RPaXv0w6Ta3lpA  Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/1b40be98-d17c-4080-a70d-8c67c3414b81 Go to https://HelloFresh.com/bandc16 and use code bandc16 for up to 16 free meals AND 3 free gifts! B+C IG: https://www.instagram.com/bncmap/ B+C Twitter: https://twitter.com/bncmap TMG Studios YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/tinymeatgang TMG Studios IG: https://www.instagram.com/realtmgstudios/ TMG Studios Twitter: https://twitter.com/realtmgstudios BROOKE https://www.instagram.com/brookeaverick https://twitter.com/ladyefron https://www.tiktok.com/@ladyefron  CONNOR https://www.instagram.com/fibula/ https://twitter.com/fibulaa https://www.tiktok.com/@fibulaa Links: Will Ropp: https://tinyurl.com/52rmhfe6 Ryan Scheckler: https://tinyurl.com/4txun3vj Tobey Maguire IMBD: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001497/ Axel Webber: https://tinyurl.com/mr7yupmm Green M&M: https://tinyurl.com/fsukayv7

This week Niccole and Marcella tackle fucbois and West Elm Caleb for the Main Character. Marcella shares an Insider Edition about a photo of MLK that went viral for the wrong reasons, and a Spoiler Alert about the value of good original shows. Last, Niccole and Marcella ask, How Did We Get Here?... Kanye West and Julia Fox. -----Follow Marcella and Niccole!Twitter & IG: @marcellacomedy & @niccolethurman-----Photography by Kim NewmoneyHead Inflation by Manuel Abady-----Advertise on The Scroll Down via Gumball.fm See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Katelyn and Oliver discuss the recent harassment campaign Katelyn recently found herself on the receiving end of and what that says about cancel culture and being a trans woman on the internet. Then the pair delve into the dark abyss that is intersection of heterosexuality and TikTok to give you the run down on the West Elm Caleb discourse. You can support Cancel Me, Daddy on Patreon to join our community and help us become a weekly show: https://www.patreon.com/cancelmedaddy

On this episode, my friend Tony Francis (@tonyfrancisv) and I agree to disagree on West Elm Caleb and the current date of the dating world. We also get a few hot takes from Tony's friend AK (@shotsfromtheak) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

It appears Deb is at it again, making anyone who mentions the pod swear up and down not to listen. This week, listen along as Lauren regales us with the tale of one poor dental hygienist who was forced to make an oath to Deb that she would never subscribe. We get into that heartwarming tale of maternal support and then pivot to a recent a flight Lauren took that almost ended in blows. Chanler breaks down the West Elm Caleb situation and we discuss Bella Hadid's decision to lay off the sauce. Finally, we chat a controversial question: should you share phone passwords with your partner? Buckle in. Also, apologies for the bodily noises. This ep is truly disgusting and should be cancelled. To support the show and access our bonus episodes, visit https://www.patreon.com/popapologists Many thanks to our sponsor of this week's episode, Hello Fresh! Go to HelloFresh.com/pop16 and use code pop16 for up to 16 free meals AND 3 free gifts! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

West Elm Caleb has been love bombing women all over TikTok.  Tom discusses a noise in his New York City apartment and a feud with a nearby grocer over paper bags.

On this episode of Swell Shenanigans, Amanda does a Solo Swell episode about Machine Gun Kelly and Megan Fox getting engaged with an alleged medieval torture device, Ana De Armas fans taking misleading trailers to court, and TikTok taking West Elm Caleb too far. Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry9honCV3qc&ab_channel=Moviebill Deadline article: https://deadline.com/2022/01/ana-de-armas-fans-sue-yesterday-1234917806/ New episodes every Wednesday! Subscribe and rate! Send us your shenanigans! Click the "message" button: https://anchor.fm/swell-shenanigans Subscribe to our Youtube channel for video podcasts! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSOMuzJ978dqxdKWBGpOQPg Have a shenanigan you want us to talk about? Shoot us an email at swellshenaniganspodcast@gmail.com! --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/swell-shenanigans/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/swell-shenanigans/support

This week is a hodgepodge of... nonsense quite frankly. I go from mauve giving the West Elm Caleb fuckboi the benefit of the doubt, then talked abut my own dating experience in 2022. And of course I have to talk about Britney Spears and her ongoing, rather sad feud with her sister Jamie Lynn.. who cant seem to stop talking. Enjoy!

In this week's episode, we talk about Emily in Paris, Summer House, RHOSLC, Euphoria, Harry's penis in AJLT, West Elm Caleb, and Kanye West.Also, check out Kaya's article about why Che Diaz doesn't suck: https://thedipp.com/sex-and-the-city/che-diaz-isnt-even-the-worst-character-on-ajlt-let-alone-tv

Hello and welcome to hell. This week we discuss NFT Bros, M&M's, Chocolate Companies child slaves, West Elm Caleb, Lord of the Rings, and more! --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/cory-and-brandon/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/cory-and-brandon/support

what do we think about the west elm caleb tiktok drama? i care less about the individuals involved and more about the ‘cultural implications' and discourse surrounding it. if you need context, give it a quick google but i'm sharing my thoughts in this week's episode! GQ article https://www.gq.com/story/who-is-west-elm-caleb twitter thread mentioned https://twitter.com/mattruby/status/1484583381073600513 follow me ☆ https://instagram.com/amberakilla/ https://instagram.com/friend.crush/ https://www.tiktok.com/@amberakilla https://twitter.com/amberakilla music & mixes ☼ latest mix: https://soundcloud.com/amberakilla/love-lust-loathing-2022 https://soundcloud.com/amberakilla https://open.spotify.com/user/amberakilla --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/friend-crush/message

This week we discussed the paparazzi's position in pop culture history! We talked about how the tragic death of Princess Diana influenced the way we view the paparazzi but how it continued to be extremely dangerous in the early 2000s. We look at how the paparazzi harassed many celebrities and invaded their privacy until they were scared to leave their homes. Pop culture moments from this week include Megan Fox and MGK's bizarre engagement ring, West Elm Caleb and the new North Face x Gucci campaign featuring Francis Bourgeois. We have a Patreon with TWO bonus episodes released each month! EIGHTEEN episodes of Celebrity Corner and Bad Book Club and our Met Gala 2021 Review are out NOW! Join our Culture Gang! Email us at culturehangpodcast@gmail.com and follow us on instagram @culturehangpodcast, twitter @CultureHang, TikTok @culturehangpodcast and Youtube! Links: https://happymag.tv/female-celebrities/ https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/claudiarosenbaum/downfall-of-the-paparazzi https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20190423-how-the-paparazzi-make-their-money

Podcast Week? Oh yeah, it's Podcast Week. We kick things off by discussing the now-infamous West Elm Caleb from Tiktok, Dillon's (accidental) new haircut, Will's move to England to run a pub, the Green M&M's makeover, and more. Support us on Patreon and receive weekly episodes for as low $5 per month: www.patreon.com/circlingbackpodcast Purchase a Circling Back Candle: www.vellabox.com/circling-back Watch all of our full episodes on YouTube: www.youtube.com/washedmedia Shop Washed Merch: www.washedmedia.shop (0:00) Fun & Easy Banter (16:00) Recapping This Weekend in Fun (30:30) New Haircut Dillon (38:45) West Elm Caleb (49:35) Will Is The King of England Now (1:00:43) Can The Green M&M Still Get It? Support This Episode's Sponsors Vizzy: www.vizzyhardseltzer.com/washed DraftKings: www.draftkings.com (download the app and use WASHED) Fitbod: www.fitbod.me/steam (25% off) Truebill: www.truebill.com/circling Green Chef: www.greenchef.com/steam130 ($130 off!)

Keri and Carter begin with a discussion of "West Elm Caleb" and hook-up culture before reviewing a TikTok video of a substitute teacher who was allegedly failing to "meow" at a student who identified as a cat. Next, they read a bizarre editorial in The San Francisco Chronicle about "swapping children" for "equity," comparing it to the Melissa Harris-Perry MSNBC video about "community" ownership of children. Then they observe the obdurate respond of public school teachers when parents request access to classroom curriculum. Finally, they discuss how the current situation in Ukraine has re-activated simps for the deep state war machine. Keri also announced her new YouTube channel, "Deprogrammed with Keri Smith," which can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/c/KeriSmithDeprogrammed Check it out! The video version of this episode is available here: https://unsafespace.com/ep0707 Links Referenced in the Show: TikTok video of alleged substitute teacher: https://www.tiktok.com/@crazynamebridgetmichael/video/7051734385565044015 SF Chronicle editorial (satire) on swapping children in the name of equity: https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Want-true-equity-California-should-force-parents-16777540.php Melissa Harris-Perry on community ownership of children: https://twitter.com/aimeeterese/status/1484204872480489473 NBC tweet about curriculum transparency: https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1484194537463504897 NBC article on curriculum transparency: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/critical-race-theory-curriculum-transparency-rcna12809 Lancet article on the end of the COVID-19 pandemic: https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(22)00100-3.pdf The shelves are 89% full: https://twitter.com/ksemamajama/status/1485451621668642821 Thanks for Watching! The best way to follow Unsafe Space, no matter which platforms ban us, is to visit: https://unsafespace.com While we're still allowed on YouTube, please don't forget to verify that you're subscribed, and to like and share this episode. You can find us there at: https://unsafespace.com/channel For episode clips, visit: https://unsafespace.com/clips Other video platforms on which our content can be found include: LBRY: https://lbry.tv/@unsafe BitChute: https://www.bitchute.com/channel/unsafespace/ Also, come join our community of dangerous thinkers at the following social media sites...at least until we get banned: Censorship-averse platforms: Gab: @unsafe Minds: @unsafe Locals: unsafespace.locals.com Parler: @unsafespace Telegram Chat: https://t.me/joinchat/H4OUclXTz4xwF9EapZekPg Censorship-happy platforms: Twitter: @_unsafespace Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/unsafepage Instagram: @_unsafespace MeWe: https://mewe.com/p/unsafespace Support the content that you consume by visiting: https://unsafespace.com/donate Finally, don't forget to announce your status as a wrong-thinker with some Unsafe Space merch, available at: https://unsafespace.com/shop

In this week's episode, Courtney, Bridget, and Grace discuss West Elm Caleb, the demise of Peloton, the reverse yassification of the Green M&M, and all the hot deets from their high school proms. Also, a HUGE announcement! We are starting a Patreon with 4 different tiers. Check it out, and see which tier is your vibe! We'd love to create more content for you, our devoted fans! Join our Patreon! 5 Star Reviews Go Here! Submit your Goss Here!

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Abby has notes on the loss of André Leon Talley, the very fun new Scream movie, Jamie Lynn Spears, Abbott Elementary critics, and West Elm Caleb. Then she's joined by her friend and editor of Page Six Style, Elana Fishman, to talk about one of their most beloved topics: Taylor Alison Swift. They get into her style evolution (including how it pairs with her music and how she uses fashion to telegraph a new era), the methods they employ for taking in new Taylor albums, what might be next in 2022, how Tree Paine, Taylor's longtime publicist, gets it all done. Oh, and that time Elana met Taylor...plus much more Taylor talk, that even non-Swifties will enjoy.