Podcasts about anishinabewaki

Waseem Hijazi, a passionate Palestinian vegan food blogger, and Victoria Hertel, an anti-Zionist Jewish vegan advocate from Vegans for Palestine join the show this week. Wasim discusses how his journey into veganism is not just about health but also a means to advocate for Palestinian rights, while Victoria reveals her transformation into anti-Zionism and her dedication to supporting Palestinians through the lens of veganism and activism. We scrutinize the ethical implications of Western veganism's silence on Palestinian oppression and the troubling practice of "vegan washing" by the Israeli government. Our discussion ventures into the wider landscape of activism, examining the power of collective actions like the BDS movement.  We wrap up our episode by emphasizing the importance of community-driven efforts and solidarity across movements. From supporting Palestinian families with plant-based food parcels to critiquing the support of Israeli vegan products, we call for genuine engagement and the preservation of cultural integrity. This episode is a thought-provoking exploration of how veganism can be a tool for activism and social change, inviting you to reconsider the impact of your choices on a global scale. Guest Bios: Victoria Hertel (she/her) is Vegan for Palestine's Public Image Committee Chair. She is an anti-Zionist Jew, vegan and queer person currently residing on the Lands of the Peoria, Mississauga, Bodwéwadmi (Potawatomi), Anishinabewaki ᐊᓂᔑᓈᐯᐗᑭ, and Wyandot Peoples on Turtle Island. She believes Zionism contradicts the values of Judaism and by conflating the two it is detrimental to the religion. Judaism, according to the Torah, forbids Jews to have our own sovereignty and forbids to kill or steal. Zionism is a genocidal and nationalistic political ideology, which was created by non-religious people. Standing in opposition to the state of “Israel” is standing with true Jewish values, and calling that anti-Semitic is inaccurate. Victoria is a photographer and a healthcare professional. She recognizes her white privilege and continues to learn and unlearn in order to be a better advocate and ally for all sentient beings. She believes that vegans have a duty to be intersectional in their advocacy and cannot only advocate for non-human animals because every injustice is connected whether it's humans, non-human animals, or the environment. Waseem Hijazi is a Palestinian vegan content creator, and the founder of the food blog: Plant Based Arab. His journey towards veganism started around five years ago, after taking on monthly challenges in pursuit of a healthier lifestyle. This led to a deeper realization of how our actions - even as individuals - can contribute to the suffering of other living beings. He's involved with the Vegans for Palestine group: a space to be in community with fellow vegans and animal rights activists, to advocate for Palestine. Helping to raise awareness about Israel's vegan-washing, and how we may be contributing to the oppression of Palestinians with what we choose to consume rather than boycott; as well as highlighting some of the ways to support Palestinians in Gaza via on the ground initiatives, and more. Waseem has contributed a selection of Arabic and Palestinian recipes to a fundraiser eBook, in collaboration with a collective of vegans of the Global Majority, called: Flavours of Freedom. You can find more of his vegan recipes on the website: www.plantbasedarab.com, and connect with him directly on Instagram @plantbasedarab. Thanks for listening to another episode. Follow, review, and share to help Consciously Clueless grow! Connect with me: https://www.consciouslycarly.com/ Join the Consciously Clueless community on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/consciouslycarly Connect on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/consciously.carly/ Connect on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/consciously.carly.blog Music by Matthew Baxley

Marketing doesn't have to be spooky, and visibility as a yoga teacher or entrepreneur doesn't require “perfection.” This conversation with Riss Giammalva explores all of this and more. Riss is a storyteller, communications and marketing specialist, joyful movement enthusiast, and future skeleton living on land stolen from Peoria, Anishinabewaki, and Waawiyatanong peoples, now known as Detroit-ish, Michigan. In the digital management realm, Riss works to support folks in confidently communicating their ideas and aspirations on a grand scale, visually, verbally, and creatively through inclusive and diverse content creation and marketing management strategies. In the movement and wellness space, Riss assists those who do not typically ‘fit the mold' find joy in moving their bodies, by reminding them that movement does not have to be spooky. With specific interest and focus on supporting larger-bodied, queer, trans, neurodivergent, and disabled populations, Riss believes in people over power and patriarchy, in building relationships rather than transactions, in inclusion, accessibility, mental health and collective liberation, and they believe, whole-heartedly, in authenticity, amplifying marginalized voices, and creating kick-ass supportive communities. In this conversation, Riss and Tristan discuss: How Riss came to yoga, what their initial foray into a social media presence looked like, and how both yoga and social media were key parts of their healing journey The fact that showing up and putting yourself “out there” on the internet doesn't get any less spooky over time The role of storytelling in marketing and visibility and how narratives related to internalized oppression might impact one's relationship to being visibile The value of authenticity over perfection and relationships over transactions …and more Check out Riss's work on their website and be sure to follow them on Instagram! For those new to Tristan, you can learn more about them on their website and you'll find them on Instagram as well.

This is a favorite topic for me. There is so much to say and unpack and weave on this. Three magical people in my world have joined me to riff on what naming yourself as a magical person means and can mean. Meet Chels Homes: Chels is an intuitive astrologer, tarot reader, and lifestyle coach offering readings and workshops online and around the Dallas, Texas area. Chels has worked with many facets of woo for years and with her previous career in corporate and nonprofit leadership development she helps you gain perspective on how to best navigate daily life in your own way and find connection to yourself, other, nature and beyond. Check out Chels' weekly astro forecast podcast, Weekly Woo with Chels, for tips on using the energies of the week ahead. Website - www.thiswoowoostuff.com Instagram - @shesintothiswoowoostuff Podcast - Weekly Woo with Chels And Cole: Cole (she/her) is a word weaver, tarot traveler, and magic maker. A Virgo Sun and Gemini Rising, she finds Mercury fascinating and confounding in blissfully unequal measure. She attains her joy in constellating with her community, and aims to elevate and empower her tarot clients as a guide at their side, rather than to lead the way from a distance ahead. Cole spent her 20s and early 30s pursuing a career in psychology as a family therapist, rediscovering her love for tarot just before her first Saturn return. In the nine years that have passed since this rekindling, she has embraced her role as a lifelong student and seeker, standing now at the crossroads of wisdom and mystery, knowing there are more trails to uncover. Perhaps you will show her a path you have found? In the digital realm, Cole is the creator of the forthcoming website Rosie Cole Reads, a medley of invitations and explorations centered on creative expression and tarot adventuring, and you can find her on Instagram and SubStack under that title (@RosieColeReads). On the physical plane, she is often surrounded by open books, chugging iced coffee, burning incense, quoting movies, and bothering her cats. In either dimension, she will try to make you laugh. And Lily: Lily of the Valley (she/they) is a intuitive, artist, and community-builder living on unceded land of the Anishinabewaki near gichi-gami referred to as Lake Superior in Northern Wisconsin. They are a poet, musician, and all-around rabble-rouser offering readings and consultations in astrology, tarot/oracle practice, and sound meditation. Recently Lily has begun providing their research librarian skills to burgeoning magical ‘scholars' as they explore astrology more deeply. Also in their multitudinous identity-roster lists, they are a witch who is slowly working on a fresh take on Italian Kitchen Magic and nature-based delights. Lily wants nothing more than for everyone to find their magical voice and join in the revolution. IG: @lilycristina Thank you all for sharing your genius with M2M and bringing such authentic lived wisdom to this rich topic! +++ CHECK OUT THE MAGICIAN'S TABLE Applications are currently open. We run late March to late June. +++ Podcast art Angela George. Podcast music Jonathan Koe.

How do we show up in our full, authentic humanity at the portal of grief? How can we allow the grief of loss to co-exist with the pleasure of companionship? How does grief show up to teach us about our innate creativity? Right after recording this conversation with my dear friend and incredible artist-healer Rebecca Lopez Mullins, I knew that we were supposed to share it during Scorpio season.Centered around the grief of suddenly losing her mother earlier this year, Rebecca and I weaved a conversation that explored the expansion and deepening of her relationships with her own gifts, her husband, her son, her sisters, and her community.We also spoke about how Rebecca's artistic practice became her spiritual practice, how tapping into the artist within and the larger ecosystem of relationality helped her channel her Altar Companions collection, and how her work connected her to ancestral wisdom.I feel so honored to share this conversation. Rebecca has shown up as a teacher, a conduit for the wisdom medicine of grief and creativity for me at a time when I needed it deeply. Rebecca's willingness to show up so fully to this conversation is such a gift. I invite you to show up with an open heart to this profound conversation.Here's Rebecca's bio: Rebecca is a Multicultural & Multidimensional Creatress of small batch jewels, divination tools and art to activate, align and reconnect folks to their radiance. It is her belief that the pieces people choose to adorn themselves in and invite into their homes and sacred spaces reflect each individual's kaleidoscopic inner landscape. She aspires to cultivate a timeless & powerful connection between people and her work; one that compels them to live a Soul-rich, deeply connected, rooted and meaningful life. Her body of work is a prayer infused with the highest good for those who welcome her pieces into their orbit. Her wish is for people to be emboldened to show up in their full expression. Rebecca's creative process is ignited and guided by ancestral (human/non-human) wisdom, the natural, elemental & cosmic realms, textures, unique materials & colorways. Each piece is handmade and sculpted with heart + conscience in her home studio on unceded Anishinabewaki land in so-called Grand Rapids, Michigan.You can find out more about Rebecca's incredible work through her website and also follow her work on Instagram.This podcast is hosted, produced, and edited by Jonathan Koe. Theme music is also composed by me! Connect with me through my newsletter, my Instagram @nate_qi, my music, and click here to book an astrology reading with me. For podcast-related inquiries, email me at healingthespiritpodcast@gmail.com.

Today's conversation fits under the P of Pricing of the Humane Marketing Mandala. I've invited Lindsay Bryan-Podvin, a trained therapist, to talk to us about what imposter syndrome does to your prices and how you can create a pricing strategy that is sustainable. Lindsay Bryan-Podvin (she/her) is a biracial financial therapist, podcast host, speaker, and author of the book "The Financial Anxiety Solution." In her coaching practice, she helps therapists in social justice or of marginalized identities grow their profitable practices from the inside out; so they can stop feeling icky about money, and start setting and sticking to sustainable rates that allow them to grow their businesses in alignment with their values. She lives with her partner and their dog on the occupied land of the Fox, Peoria, Potawatomi, and Anishinabewaki peoples also known as Michigan.  In this episode, you'll learn about pricing what imposter syndrome does to your prices as well as...   What Imposter Syndrome means and whether it is a clinical term What IS has to do with Pricing Confidence and self-trust High ticket pricing and Lindsay's take on this practice The current situation and what we can do about it And so much more Lindsay's Resources   Lindsay's Website The Mind Money Balance Podcast Money Archetype Quiz Connect with Lindsay on: LinkedIn Instagram YouTube   Sarah's Resources Watch this episode on Youtube (FREE) Sarah's One Page Marketing Plan (FREE) Sarah Suggests Newsletter (FREE) The Humane Business Manifesto (FREE) Gentle Confidence Mini-Course Marketing Like We're Human - Sarah's book The Humane Marketing Circle Authentic & Fair Pricing Mini-Course Podcast Show Notes We use Descript to edit our episodes and it's fantastic! 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Learn more at humane.marketing/circle Don't forget to subscribe to the show on iTunes or on Android to get notified for all my future shows and why not sign up for my weekly(ish) "Sarah Suggests Saturdays", a round-up of best practices, tools I use, books I read, podcasts, and other resources. Raise your hand and join the Humane Business Revolution. Warmly, Sarah Imperfect Transcript of the show We use and love Descript to edit our podcast and provide this free transcript of the episode. And yes, that's an affiliate link. Sarah: [00:00:00] [00:01:00] [00:02:00] [00:03:00] [00:04:00] [00:05:00] Hi Lindsay, so we're looking forward to you talking to you today. I'm so excited. Yes,  Lindsay: Yes. Same here. Sarah, I'm, I'm really excited for this chat and I think it'll be great for your listeners to learn a little bit more about what we're gonna be  Sarah: covering. Yeah, exactly. We decided to [00:06:00] talk about pricing. And the imposter syndrome. And I just wanna say that, you know, I get a lot of pitches. Maybe you do too because you have your own podcast, but, , you know, there's about a handful probably, in a year I would even say that. I was just like, Oh yeah, this person I want to have on this show. And so you're one of those and I'm just, Yeah. So, so happy to have you. So, but let's dive in. Yeah. So this topic. Actually you suggested, to talk about, you know, pricing, which is one of my PS of the Humane Marketing Mandala, but then also kind of juxtaposing it with, , the imposter syndrome. So I think there's a lot that we can cover there. But, let's start maybe with a definition, because you are a trained therapist and I was just wondering if. Term imposter syndrome. You know, we throw this around so often, especially in the entrepreneurship, , era, and, [00:07:00] and I was like, Well, is this even like a medical term? I don't know. Or is this just kind of the thing that we. We say and and, and, yeah. I would love for you to start by defining it and what that actually means. Lindsay: Sure. So imposter syndrome can be defined many ways because it is not a clinical diagnosis. It does not fall into the DSM for folks who are in the Northern Hemisphere. That is really what we use when we are diagnosing clients or patients. , but imposter syndrome is this feeling or. Set of thoughts that a person experiences when they don't feel enough, and that can often look like in work context or business context, like this idea that they somehow got their success by mistake or it was a fluke, or they really are putting on a good veneer, but underneath they aren't as smart as other people think they are. They don't know as much they're going to be found out somehow as being a fraud or fraudulent. When we experience that set of [00:08:00] symptoms or those set of feelings and thoughts, it can make us question our own inherent knowledge and also the wisdom and knowledge we've gained over time. It can make us think that we don't really know as much as we say we know, and it can lead to chasing more external validation. And so an entrepreneurs this often looks like taking more online courses, taking another certificate. Paying for things that maybe you don't really need, right? So paying for, , maybe a costly mastermind or upgrading your website and getting all these, these funnels and clicks and countdown timers that maybe you don't really need. Because there's this idea that if I have these other systems in place, or if I have somebody else's stamp of approval, then I'll finally be enough. And what we know about imposter syndrome is. It's not about external validation. It's about inner wisdom and inner knowing and inner trusting. And when it comes to being business owners, that's [00:09:00] where the real work begins of getting comfortable saying, I am enough. I do know enough. I am competent at helping the clients that I'm meant to serve, or I am competent in selling the products that I know are good and authentic and  Sarah: hopeful. Yeah. Yeah, that's, It always comes back to the inner work, doesn't it? , Right, Right. Absolutely. Um, thank you. That was really helpful. I wonder then, you know, because we placed this conversation under the PPF pricing, let's go into that. So how does having imposter syndrome, , how's that related to pricing? Where does it show.  Lindsay: The way that I see it show up most commonly is in under pricing. And because if we have this inner doubt that we aren't good enough or smart enough, or can't help enough people, by default, we price our services lower. Mm-hmm. instead of a sustainable pricing model, we undercharge we under [00:10:00] price and we undervalue our services. And that is where a lot of. Online business owners get into trouble because they slide their prices down so low again, to try and get that external validation. If I have my price low, then I'll get more clients and, and we're chasing again that external validation that we know enough. , and so when it comes to under pricing, we end up. Actually harming ourselves and creating a bigger imposter syndrome cycle. And what I mean by that is if I price my services so low, that means I need to sell more products, more goods, more services. And that means that I'm stretching myself really thin. And if I'm stretching myself really thin, I probably don't have the time to practice that restorative self care that we all need. I'm probably not getting enough sleep, not drinking enough water, not moving my body enough, not engaging in hobbies. Side of work and when we are operating kind of stretched thin, our minds [00:11:00] and our bodies aren't able to think rooted and think in terms of our wisest self. And when we are stressed out, when we are, you know, afraid, our nervous system is afraid, then we go, Oh my gosh, I really don't know enough and I need to take on more. And it's just adding more and more to our plates and sinking us further down. And the lower we get, the more we think we don't know. And it becomes this really vicious cycle versus pricing for sustainability. Maybe a word that resonates more with your, , listeners, or a word that often is used instead of sustainability is profitability. But that's this idea that in order for us to have sustainable businesses, we need to have not just enough to make ends meet, we have to have enough to be able to pour into ourselves, to be able to pour into our communities and to be able to pour into our businesses. Because if we are operating. From a afraid space and from a frantic space that actually harms our business in the long run. And it actually harms our [00:12:00] clients in the long run because they're not getting the best of us. They're getting this anxious, afraid, imposter syndrome version of us, and then we're not delivering on what we know we are able to deliver. Hmm.  Sarah: Yeah. So good. So good. It's, , interesting. I, I was just typing out an email, , that is gonna go out to my, , readers this weekend, and I was talking about my typical day, , and how, you know, how much rest I plan into my day and outside time and connection time, and, and then also saying, you know, Realize this is the typical day of a very, privileged white person. And that not everybody has that privilege. But if we do have that privilege, then we're not helping anybody by working ourselves to deaths and, getting burned out and exhausted. Like, like you say, that self care. Well, we need to actually make it a priority. And, and I guess, , I see the correlation [00:13:00] here with pricing is like, well, if you have sustainable pricing, , then you can build in more, rest into your day, right? Because when you actually do get paid, you don't feel like you have to work so much to. You know, just the minimum, Yeah, the minimum income in a way. So, yeah. Yeah, that really, that really resonates. Yeah.  Lindsay: I, I want to just reflect back how, how thankful I am that you mentioned privilege and mentioned some of those things because I'm, I'm biracial, I'm a mixed person of color. , and I think it goes even more. For folks who have marginalized identities, whether you are queer, trans, a person of color, of a religious minority, your immigration status is different. We actually have, , a duty to practice self care even more because we have all of these taxing systems of microaggressions, of racism, of [00:14:00] sexism, of homophobia coming at us all the time. And our nervous systems actually need even more time for that space and for that rest, and for that joy too. So I really appreciate you bringing it up and saying, Oh, you know, This is a privileged position to be able to rest, and I want to gently push back and say, actually , it's mandatory. Mm-hmm. , it is so mandatory that we take that time for rest and growth and development outside of our work and how hard it is to do that.  I just shared with my email newsletter. That, , about a year ago I hired somebody to help me just with the things that are I can do, but are not necessarily in my zone of genius. And what happened was, as I had additional spaciousness in my week, , I found myself just doing more work instead of going for walks, taking my dog to the park or anything like that. Because this system is so designed for us to be working and be productive [00:15:00] and all of that, it's so hard to separate ourselves from that. Yeah. So knowing that it took me a while. I specifically put voice lessons on my calendar because I'm the type of person that if something's on my calendar, I will be there. Mm-hmm. . So I had to like block out specific times for rest or specific times for joy and a specific time on my calendar where I was committed to somebody else. A little bit of that external accountability, but also it was something that has nothing to do with business, it has nothing to do with growing my practice. It is all about kind of just engaging in that fun and that joy and that playfulness. So I really appreciate you bringing that piece. Yeah.  Sarah: And I'm glad you're, you're stating how difficult it actually is, , because it is, and I was talking yesterday to someone who's older, you know, and, and for someone, you know, my generation, Gen X or even older, it is especially difficult. And, and even more so if we love our job, you know, [00:16:00] if we actually do love our job. And so I was telling this guy, I'm like, I know you love your job, but think of, you know, who will be there for you. The end of your life, who is really gonna be, you know, valuable, , and counting, , at the end of your life. And so those are the people that we need to hang out with, even though, yes, it's amazing to watch, you know, your client's transformation and whatnot, but, , yeah. It really is difficult. But let's go back to the, the pricing and the, Yeah. Actually one more term that I heard, , on Jonathan Fields, , podcast. , I'm blanking on his, podcast. We'll put in the show notes. , but , this, idea of maximum sustainable generosity that really speaks to me to. My listeners, we are heart centered entrepreneurs, right? And so we do want to give a lot and, , this idea of, you know, pricing, raising our prices and, and where [00:17:00] is the limit and how much can we give before we ask? , and so this term of maximum sustainable generosity really, really spoke to me because we need to define where that is for us. So that we can still give and feel good about ourselves, about giving, but it has to also be sustainable for us. And I think that concept, once you understand that, that's when you're gonna be ready to put boundaries and say, No, until here, I can give. And then here are my boundaries. So I just wanted to bring that up again. , yeah, let's talk about pricing and. What do we do then when we, you know, we, Okay, we have this issue with, , imposter syndrome. How can we do this inner work and what do we need to do in order to be able to say, Okay, I'm ready to raise my prices. Mm.  Lindsay: Okay. So the, the three tiers that I use are sufficient. Leisurely and enoughness. Okay? And [00:18:00] sufficient is the bottom of this kind of tier or this pricing step where you are charging enough and your business is generating enough income to make sure that all of your needs are met. And that means. Your business, but also your personal life. And when I say your needs are met, I'm not just talking about making sure you have enough money for fuel and for food. I'm also talking about making sure you have enough for that weekly yoga class or that monthly massage, whatever it is that helps you regulate your nervous system. So that first step is sufficiency. Mm-hmm. . And then we move into leisurely. So the way that, that the imagery that comes to mind for. Is if you imagine a hot day, we're recording in the middle of the summer here. It is quite toasty and steamy outside today. So if we imagine sufficient is when you're at at a hot day and there's like an outdoor shower and you're cooling down and you have enough water to like rinse your body and to cool off, [00:19:00] and it is enough to regulate your temperature and to feel cool again. Then if we imagine leisurely that's having like a pool, Available to you. You can kind of get in, you can sit on your little raft. You're very relaxed and you have more than enough. And when we have that more than enough, that's when we can start giving back to our communities. Whether that's by offering a sliding scale, offering scholarship spaces, donating money to causes in our community that are important to us, or volunteering in our community with causes that are important to us. And then we imagine that next kind of tier. Is enoughness and that enoughness is whatever natural body of water comes to mind. It could be a river, it could be a lake. It could be a deep well, but it is, you have more than enough to regenerate your business. You have more than enough to pour into yourself, to pour into your communities. But I often think what hap what happens with heart centered entrepreneurs [00:20:00] is they start giving back at that enoughness level before their business is supporting them at that sufficient level. So they're giving too much time, they're giving too much energy, they're sliding. Scale, they're underpricing their services, and then again, it gets back into that imposter syndrome, frantic cycle. If I don't have enough, I need more. And then you are coming to potential clients from this place of desperation, from this place of anxiety, and from this place of underpricing. And when we think about justice and we think about equity, we have to include ourselves in that as well, which means we can't be martyrs for the system. We have to say. I also deserve to have financial compensation that is more than enough, and I also have to be included in making sure that I can buy my groceries and take a holiday. Sleep at night. So those are the things that I kind of think about when we are pricing our services. So we, we need to first meet that first stair step or that kind of cold [00:21:00] shower by making sure that we have enough to take care of ourselves. And then as we move up that scale, We can be increasing our pricing services, but we can also start giving back a little bit more. And the other analogy that gets used all the time that I think is worth repeating is that oxygen mask analogy. We cannot take care of others until we take care of ourselves. And it's not about being selfish, it's about showing up and saying, I'm a part of this equation. I'm a part of my community too, and I also deserve to take care of myself financially.  Sarah: Yeah. What came up for me while you were talking was this kind of trend of the high ticket client. Oh,  Lindsay: yeah. for the podcast listeners. That was a massive eye roll on my part,  Sarah: so, yeah, that, that, I don't know if it's still out there because I just block everybody who's trying. You know, message me being a, a high thick, a client coach or anything like that. Yes. [00:22:00] So, So you're still seeing it out there  Lindsay: now? Oh yeah. I'm still seeing that. So I'm seeing, so I'm seeing two trends that I'm surprised still exists that I think are worth exploring for your heart centered entrepreneurs. So I'm seeing. On the one end, that high ticket offer where you are charging a client 30, 40, $50,000 for your goods service, coaching expertise, whatever. And the idea behind it is that, you know, our income is a math equation, and if I sell one trinket to somebody for $10, or if I sell one trinket to somebody for $10,000, I have to sell fewer of those $10,000 items. To make, to meet my financial needs. Right. It, it makes sense from a financial perspective, right? But from a heart center and entrepreneur perspective, it's not just about selling the thing, it's also about delivering the thing. And are you capable? And you may be, and you may be sitting here listening, going, I am capable of that. Are you capable of delivering a 30, 40, [00:23:00] $50,000 value to the clients that you. Saying that you are going to serve mm-hmm. , and that's a question only you can answer. , and I, I think we all have the capacity to probably charge more than we are. Without getting into that slimy, like trying to chase down somebody and, and ring of them. When I say ring, I mean like a, like a towel ringing out a towel, like ringing of them all of their financial resources. I have heard horror stories of people and I'm sure we know of them. Where these high ticket coaches go after clients who are in desperate need of sustainability in their business, and they say if you just gimme $30,000, if you just gimme $50,000, I guarantee you'll be a seven figure business owner. They are prey on people who are incredibly vulnerable and in the US. We have access to huge lines of credit that you don't have in the eu. So in the US you can really get into a lot of trouble. I have heard horror stories of [00:24:00] people taking out huge credit cards, , and racking up tons and tons of debt. I have heard of people reorging their houses to give these high ticket coaches their money only to be basically found out that they have been bamboozled and they end up in these kinds of situations where, The marketing was great, the promise was great, but the delivery was just the same as anything else. video1642351392: I  Sarah: just wanna add before you go into the other, , example. Yeah. So, so also from, , my own experience, I used to have a $7,000 offer. And from talking to a friend who had, you know, a $20,000 offer, I think the pressure it puts on you. As the entrepreneur to then basically chase after clients who are, who have that kind of money. And of course we're not talking about companies, right? Right. We're talking here to about coaching for individuals and, and already $7,000 is, [00:25:00] is a high number. And so the pressure I felt, , to find clients who are willing to invest that amount. And then also the sense of failure if you are not making those sales, really, it's, it's just not worth it. It really is just not worth it, so. Right. Yeah, I totally agree with you. It, I think though that that trend. Is coming to an end. We're living in way different times now, so. Mm-hmm. , there may be still high ticket coaches, but I'm not sure that they're doing so well right now. So I'm,  Lindsay: yeah, I don't know,  Sarah: like serving that. Lindsay: Trend a bit closer. Yeah, it's interesting because what I find in the online world is that a lot of these things continue, but they're just repackaged. Like they're repackaged as like VIP days. And not to say there aren't ethical VIP days or really good VIP days, but I see these things kind of recycled. So maybe the high ticket one year. Support [00:26:00] Mastermind isn't working anymore, but maybe a v i P day is, or maybe, you know, an expensive retreat is, and again, it's not that the thing is problematic. No. Whether it's a retreat or vip. Yes, exactly. It's everything behind it. , that I think we really just need to be cautious of and just curious. And when I say curious, I mean like getting in tune again, we talked at the start of this, about the inner work, but getting curious if somebody's approaching you with that high ticket, you know, mindset stuff that feels in your body not settled. It makes you feel anxious, it makes you feel a little bit skeptical. I think it's worth turning in with that curiosity. Do you just. What is here? Yeah. What is  Sarah: coming up? Signals  Lindsay: telling me. Yes. Yes. And I think with a lot of that, like high ticket mindset coaching, they tell you to not trust your nervous system. Mm. They say, Oh, no, no, no. You have to jump in. A net will appear. You have to [00:27:00] just trust me. That's a mindset issue. You're in scarcity right now. Mm-hmm. . And it's like, no, your body is pretty freaking wise and it's really good at telling you something is amis. Yeah, and if I am really meant to work with this person, or work with this coach or join this program, I might have some of that anxious excitement, but I won't have fear. And I think we have to start trusting ourselves a bit more in online business, which again comes back to imposter syndrome. If we feel like we don't know enough or we need somebody else to validate our opinions, we will push aside our nervous systems signals and join because we don't trust ourselves. Sarah: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So the second example you wanted to share. Yeah,  Lindsay: so the second example is on the other end of the scale of, you know, we've got these high ticket offers and then we have like super, super, super low ticket offers that. Can also cause a lot of overwhelm. And the way that I've seen them in the [00:28:00] past few years is like the, , the free summits or the free, , master classes, things like that where you join, and then you're bombarded with a lot of information. It's the same thing. You get 10 minutes of information on marketing, 10 minutes of information on sales, 10 minutes of information on a website, and you leave and your nervous system is so over. Stimulated because you've spent two days sitting in all these like mini master classes kind of drinking from a fire hose, and then your brain and body is so overwhelmed. And then again, you're getting into this imposter syndrome of, well, I don't know enough about sales or marketing or websites or SEO or Facebook or TikTok, so I need all these 10 different experts guidance, and now I need to join all 10 of their programs. Right? Right. And it's again, just like having some inner wisdom to. Okay. What is really going on in my. . Actually, I am really struggling with the marketing piece. I know my product is good. I [00:29:00] know my coaching is amazing. I know that all of that is good, like the delivery side of things are really good, but maybe I do need some help showing up visibly and showing up authentically and getting out of my comfort zone there. And maybe there is one person at that summit who has that wisdom to impart on you, but do you need all 10 of those programs? The answers probably. Yeah, and so getting really curious, and this is where getting to know your numbers becomes really powerful. Because if you're following your numbers every month, which I recommend everybody do, is to have a CEO date or a money date and take a look at Where is my money coming from? What am I spending my money on, and also where are my clients coming from? Then you can make informed decisions about your business. You can follow those numbers and you can get to know where are the leaks or where are the holes that need patching in my business? And you can make decisions. From an informed and from a grounded place. And you can say, [00:30:00] Actually, it does make sense for me to invest in a marketing coach right now, but it doesn't actually make sense for me to hire a TikTok coach if I haven't even downloaded the app. Right. . Like we just have to think really curiously and compassionately about what we actually need and then we can invest accordingly so long as we have that money available. Hmm. Yeah. I love how  Sarah: you. Talk about pricing, but we're also talking about investing in a way, You know, it's like it all goes together. It's like, well, it all goes together. If you do increase your prices and you're paid more fairly, then you'll also have more money available to invest back into your business if that's what you want. , right. But again, that doesn't mean that you have. Buy every program out there. It just really neat. No, what I hear you say, and I totally agree with that, is giving power back to the client. I talk a lot about that. It's like, yes, we have been treating our clients as if they were stupid. You know, like telling [00:31:00] them things, talking to them as, as if they were little children. Right. And so, , In a way as clients, as customers, we also started to give our power away and kind of become sheep by talking the marketing, like we're human bug. I talk about, you know, sheep and we've just kind of been following along, and it's time to take that power back and think for ourselves, what do I really need? Is this a good thing for my business right now? So, yeah, absolutely. Mm. Really appreciate that. Mm-hmm. . So in terms of the. You know, we talked a little bit about the high ticket client. Another thing that comes to mind is, is the current situation with inflation. And, you know, everything that's going on in the world. , How do we react to this? Like, it could be that we're just kind of completely frozen and think, Oh, I'm gonna go back to scarcity because , I just feel like nobody has money anymore at all. So how do we react to [00:32:00] a market that, you know, there's, everywhere you look, people are saying lost everything. there's no more money in the market. Is that really true? Or how do we react to.  Lindsay: What I've been telling both my financial therapy clients and the folks I coach, , I'm building their practices, is that. We deal with something every single day that we have no control over, and we have our whole lives, but we learn how to cope. And the example that I give is weather, not climate. Weather . So when it's raining out, what do we do? We dress for the weather. We put on our rain boots, we put on our raincoat, We grab an umbrella. When it is cold out, we grab our parkass and our. And when it's warm out, you know, we get our little . Maybe we go inside somewhere that it's cooler or we find a space in the shade and we dress in like linen and lighter clothing. Because here's the thing, none of us can control the weather, but we can control and prepare how we dress for it. [00:33:00] So when it comes to things like inflation and the stock markets and gas prices, we don't have control over that, and we have to release control over. But we do have control over other things. And when it comes to financially preparing our businesses for the weather, there are certain things that we can do and that we do have control over. I recommend that all of my clients kind of increase the amount of money in their business emergency fund and in their personal emergency fund, and that means having a couple months of business expenses. Readily available in that business bank account so that if you have fewer clients that month, or if you have like a, you know, a quieter month or two, you're still able to pay your business bills, but also continue to pay yourself. Because going back to the sustainability, we have to include ourselves in it. So making sure that that business emergency fund has our business expense. And the ability to make sure that we are getting our pay from that business. [00:34:00] So that's one thing we could do to kind of financially dress for the weather of a a recess. Other things we can do are also making sure that we aren't reacting, we are really being embodied. And when I say embodied, I mean checking in with our physical self and saying, What do I need and what do my clients need? I've seen some entrepreneurs panic put everything on a 50% off sale because they're terrified that nobody's gonna come because of the recession. And so they just put everything on sale. Without going, Are my clients asking for this? Are people saying to me, You know what Lindsay? I'm unable to afford that. What other offers do you have? Or am I reacting and putting everything on sale? Right. So we have to get really wise that there may be creative ways to serve our clients financially speaking that don't put us in harm's way. And that could be saying something like, Hey, you know, I've got all of this great content. I'm gonna offer , a membership community that is a lower cost, but I still am delivering high value knowledge and good and support, [00:35:00] goods and support. It could be saying, you know what, like for me, I do power sessions where I meet with a, a clinician. One on one and we do a deep dive in like one or two things that are really kind of getting them stuck in their business and figuring that out. We could say, You know what, I'm gonna structure that, as a group power session so three people can split the cost of that and each person will get, you know, 20 minutes of my time. But everybody gets. 60 minutes of support. And so you're providing something where you are still getting the income that you need to make your ends meet, but you're providing it maybe to your community at a lower cost. But we need to be really intentional about, So that's the second thing, is making sure that when you're pricing your. Offers. You're not putting everything on sale just because, And then finally, it is worth kind of dialing down spending on areas that maybe aren't working for you any longer. So for example, maybe that is moving from a more expensive community platform to a more affordable community platform. Maybe that is saying, You [00:36:00] know what? I've been paying for ads and maybe ads aren't really necessary for me right now. So maybe I hit pause on those ads so it can be. Dialing down that spending too. So those are kind of the three things I'm recommending for entrepreneurs as this recession likely is coming up, is to make sure you have enough in your reserves to pay yourself and to cover your business expenses. Making sure that when you are pricing your offers, you are doing them in a way that still supports you financially, but might be of greater benefit to your clients by getting creative about your offers. And then three is dialing down expenses that maybe you don't need or don't need in the moment. Mm. Sarah: Yeah. So good. I like the creativity. I think it's really a time for thinking creatively. Yeah. And coming up with, with offers that Yeah. In the past you hadn't thought, Oh, what if I did it this way, What I created, What if I created pods or Yeah. Small groups or things like that. , the other thing you kind of mentioned with the [00:37:00] savings, is really understanding that. Business, especially as entrepreneurs, it comes in cycles and you cannot expect, you know, every month to be the same. I think we know that from experience, but just kind of relaxing into that and knowing that this may be a bit of a DR cycle, but that there's another one, , coming back. so, so just planning already in cycles and knowing Okay. You know, now I'm kind of in this and what was it, eti, I forget the, these terms, but, but now it's kind of like a lower , cycle and plan for the, for the next one. Yeah. The, the one thing I wanted you to share to kind of close up here, is, you know, from some of your clients, the work you, if you can think of one mm-hmm. where, where you kind of worked on. Pricing slash imposter syndrome, , if you would share that success story with  Lindsay: us. Yeah, so one thing is [00:38:00] that in the US , I work with a lot of healthcare providers and specifically mental healthcare providers, and so it's really common for clinicians in private practice to say, I'm going to take insurance, because that feels. You know good. And also insurance companies pay really poorly here. They just do. So by default, we end up sliding our fees to accommodate these insurance companies. And when I say they pay poorly, I'm talking, they pay 40, 50, 60% of our actual fees, so we're putting our fees on sale. And so a big fear for a lot of my clients is leaving insurance panels, and I have seen so many of my clients get comfortable saying, I'm going to leave those insurance panels so that I can actually take care of my financial self. And then what they're able to do with that additional revenue. Is actually be able to offer sliding scale spaces that actually work for them. And what I mean by that is saying, Okay, for every eight clients [00:39:00] I have who pay my full fee, I can offer one client a super discounted rate without impacting my financial bottom line. So it's about kind of getting into that balance and getting into that zone. And so many of my clients have been able to fill their practices in that way. That is in alignment with their values. That also helps to move them towards those other. Of the financial tiers that we talked about earlier. And so for people who are listening, that might also look like, how can I ethically increase my rates in a way that supports me and sustains me? That then allows me to get creative and give back to my community. Maybe that means I do one free coaching call a month and anybody who wants to hop in can hop in. I first have to make sure that I financially am able to support that time going out. So thinking about it, for those of you who are listening, kind of making the scales with my hands right now, kind of getting really creative about how can we find that balance, how can we find that harmony [00:40:00] that supports us and supports our community? Mm.  Sarah: Yeah. So good. And I think that goes for everyone, not just clinicians or therapists, right? Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. So good. Thanks for sharing that. , this has been wonderful. Thank you so much for coming on, Lindsay. Do tell people where they can find, You and your work, and we haven't talked about your book, but you have a book out there as well, so mention that please,  Lindsay: too. Sure, of course. Well, thank you again, Sarah, for having me. This has been such a fun and energizing conversation. So my business is called Mind Money Balance, and you can find me on my website. My podcast is of the same name. My Instagram handle is of the same name. Depending on when this airs, I might be on an Instagram hiatus. I like to take a few months off each year. Good for you. Yeah, which is really important and really, , helps to sustain me to give me that little social media break. , but the book that I wrote was called The Financial Anxiety Solution, and it's a workbook that helps you include. Your thoughts [00:41:00] and your feelings and your relationship with money. My philosophy is that money is about 80% psychological and emotional, and about 20% about the numbers. And even the numbers that we need are very, very basic math. And I say this as a person who failed college algebra , right? Like all of the math that we need for our personal finances and really for the basics of building our business. Finances can be done. Phone calculator or a quick Google search. So those are a couple of places to find me. And if you're interested in learning more about your financial archetype, I have a free quiz@mindmoneybalance.com slash quiz. There are four different financial archetypes that shape the way we look at money and what we do with money. So it can be a fun way to get to know a little bit more about why you might be falling into this imposter syndrome or over consuming. So you can check that out.  Sarah: Wonderful. Yeah, I'll definitely make sure we put all those links in the show notes. And as you know, I always ask last question, and that is, what are you grateful for today or this week,  Lindsay: Lindsay?[00:42:00]  Oh, today and this week I have been really fortunate to spend some outdoor time with my friends living in a climate. I live in Michigan in the United States where it's chili for, you know, good six months of the year. So having. Son come out and be able to sit on back porches and patios with friends has been really nourishing to my soul. So I'm really grateful for that at this moment in  Sarah: time. Wonderful. And it's not too hot either, so  Lindsay: that's No, no, it's, it's steamy, but it's do. Sarah: Thanks so much for coming on to this show. I really enjoyed our time together. Such a treat.[00:43:00] 

This is a special episode where in honour of the National day of Truth and Reconciliation, September 30, we have decided to focus on some cases of wrongful death and murder of Indigenous men, women, and children in Canada. We felt that since we are fortunate enough to have this platform we need to bring awareness to the atrocities that Indigenous communities face everyday. This episode is definitely one of a more somber nature and we hope that it encourages you to educate yourself on the issues that Indigenous communities are facing. And even though we will never understand what Indigenous communities go through and are currently going through, we want to let you know that we sympathize and stand with you. We hope that everyone takes a second to recognize the land that they are living on does not belong to them and was taken from First Nation communities during time of Colonization, that was not that far in the past. We want to acknowledge that the places we live and are currently recording from are the ancestral, unceded, and traditional lands of indigenous peoples. In Halifax, we are in Mi'kma'ki, the unceded territory of the Mi'kmaq peoples.In Calgary, we are in the traditional territories of Niitsitapi and the people of the Treaty 7 region in Southern Alberta, which includes the Siksika, the Piikuni, the Kainai, the Tsuut'ina and the Stoney Nakoda First Nations, including Chiniki, Bearpaw, and Wesley First Nations.And in Burlington, we are in the Haudenosaunee, Anishinabewaki, Attiwonderonk, and Mississaugas of the Credit First Nation, Mississauga peoples.

Justin and Stephen conclude the conversation with Marcus Dip Silas about relational knowing and the nature of truth. In today's episode (pt. 3 of 3), they consider how truth is encountered and shared. Marcus talks about beauty and truth in cooking, and Justin shares about a project in which his students make a soundtrack for the Gospel of John. Marcus and Justin reflect on what Georgia O'Keeffe and Vincent Van Gogh communicate about truth. Stephen asks Marcus about where he finds hope.Justin and Stephen also talk about early morning sports, a recent gallery showing at Sprig, Envision Berlin's creative space, and polarization in US society after the recent Supreme Court decisions. They will post more of their reflections about that on Patreon, before too long. We're also inviting listeners to contribute questions on Patreon. Let us know what questions you have for us!Link: from the Gallery Showing at Sprig (on Instagram).We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com, and bonus material on Patreon!Find Profs in Rooms mugs and more here. Credits: Regular Theme Music “A New Hope” by MeGustaMusic. This episode was partially recorded on the land of the Wahpekute, Anishinabewaki, and the Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux).We may receive commission from Amazon or Bookshop.org for purchases made through some of our links. Those commissions do not reduce authors' royalties. Thank you for your support.

Justin and Stephen continue the conversation with Marcus Dip Silas about relational knowing and the nature of truth. In today's episode (pt. 2 of 3), they consider what truth does. They consider how educational approaches reflect and perpetuate ideas of what truth is, and ask what effective measures of truth are, and what happens when authority interacts with truth selectively.Justin and Stephen also discussed more about the language learning process, and Justin shares about an upcoming episode of another podcast that he's appearing on soon. We're also inviting listeners to contribute questions on Patreon. Let us know what questions you have for us!Link: Stephen referenced these episodes of the Unterwegs podcast:Episode 40: Cultural Transitions - Language Learning - Part 1 of 2Episode 41: Cultural Transitions - Language Learning - Part 2 of 2We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com, and bonus material on Patreon!Find Profs in Rooms mugs and more here. Credits: Regular Theme Music “A New Hope” by MeGustaMusic. This episode was partially recorded on the land of the Wahpekute, Anishinabewaki, and the Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux).We may receive commission from Amazon or Bookshop.org for purchases made through some of our links. Those commissions do not reduce authors' royalties. Thank you for your support.

Marcus Dip Silas dropped by the Studio in Berlin to discuss relational knowing and the nature of truth with Justin and Stephen. In today's episode (pt. 1 of 3), Marcus shares how his own background, including the postcolonial context where he grew up and his multiracial experience, are important to understanding how he considers what truth is.Justin also joined Stephen in the studio in Berlin for a special recording of highlights, lowlights, and insights! This is the first time the guys were in the same room while recording an episode!We're also inviting listeners to contribute questions on Patreon. Let us know what questions you have for us!Link: Stephen referenced these episodes of the Unterwegs podcast:Episode 40: Cultural Transitions - Language Learning - Part 1 of 2Episode 41: Cultural Transitions - Language Learning - Part 2 of 2We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com, and bonus material on Patreon!Find Profs in Rooms mugs and more here. Credits: Regular Theme Music “A New Hope” by MeGustaMusic. This episode was partially recorded on the land of the Wahpekute, Anishinabewaki, and the Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux).We may receive commission from Amazon or Bookshop.org for purchases made through some of our links. Those commissions do not reduce authors' royalties. Thank you for your support.

Justin and Stephen conclude the second series on Justin's dissertation about Ephesians and the Roman Empire. Justin explains socially constructed institutional facts and provides key Speech Act Theory definitions. Stephen asks Justin whether his approach overly complicates Biblical interpretation.Justin and Stephen also explore the question of their own implied audience, what we know what the Bible means (not just what it says), and how Justin wrestles with avoiding doing elitist interpretation of the Bible.In their highlights, lowlights, and insights, Stephen reflects on the challenges of experiencing his own incompetence while language learning and Justin talks about an unexpected setback.We're also inviting listeners to contribute questions on Patreon. Let us know what questions you have for us!We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com, and bonus material on Patreon!Find Profs in Rooms mugs and more here. Credits: Regular Theme Music “A New Hope” by MeGustaMusic. This episode was partially recorded on the land of the Wahpekute, Anishinabewaki, and the Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux).

Justin and Stephen continue the discussion of Justin's dissertation about Ephesians and the Roman Empire. In the second part of this three part series, they talk about Speech Act Theory. Justin applies the ideas of Speech Act Theory to Ephesians 5 and Romans 13.In their highlights, lowlights, and insights, Justin shares about a good deal on a book, Stephen talks about trying to maintain multiple languages, and they reflect on accurately interpreting the church as it is today.Also check out Episode 8.5 on Patreon, in which Justin and Stephen talk about understanding the implied audience and why it matters in Biblical Studies.We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com, and bonus material on Patreon!Find Profs in Rooms mugs and more here. Credits: Regular Theme Music “A New Hope” by MeGustaMusic. This episode was partially recorded on the land of the Wahpekute, Anishinabewaki, and the Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux).We may receive commission from Amazon or Bookshop.org for purchases made through some of our links. Those commissions do not reduce authors' royalties. Thank you for your support.

Justin and Stephen turn back to considering Justin's dissertation about Ephesians and the Roman Empire. In the first part of this three part series, they talk about hermeneutics, and how many interpretive decisions are made before we even realize it. Justin talks about some of the limits of other approaches of Bible study, and then explains the relationship between implied and empirical authorship, and what difference it makes in interpreting scripture.Justin shares about an upcoming project, Stephen talks about losing a friend to illness, and they reflect on what it means to live in the present .We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com, and bonus material on Patreon!Find Profs in Rooms mugs and more here. Credits: Regular Theme Music “A New Hope” by MeGustaMusic. This episode was partially recorded on the land of the Wahpekute, Anishinabewaki, and the Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux).We may receive commission from Amazon or Bookshop.org for purchases made through some of our links. Those commissions do not reduce authors' royalties. Thank you for your support.

Let's talk about Anxiety, particularly when it shows up around money. Money and finances can feel complicated, overwhelming, and anxiety-inducing! Our own individual and family stories around money can inform the way we think about money as adults, and as we navigate the discussion around money with our own children. Today, we're talking all about Money Anxiety with Financial Therapist Lindsay Bryan-Podvin to address all things personal finance, financial anxiety, finances in relationships, and how to talk about money with your children. Lindsay Bryan-Podvin (she/her) is a biracial financial therapist, podcast host, speaker, and author of the book "The Financial Anxiety Solution." In her therapy practice, Mind Money Balance, she uses shame-free financial therapy to help people get their minds and money in balance. She's expanded her services to help private practice therapists with their money mindset, sustainable pricing, and authentic marketing so they can include financial self-care in their work. She lives with her partner and their dog on the traditional land of the Fox, Peoria, Potawatomi, and Anishinabewaki peoples, also known as Michigan. Links and resources below! www.mindmoneybalance.com Mind Money Balance Podcast Financial Archetype Quiz The Financial Anxiety Solution Workbook

Megan Yoder joins Justin and Stephen again for the final installment of this 3 part series. In this episode, Megan reflects on Christian symbolism, arts and artists in the church, and hope.Justin talks about the joys of Spring, and he and Stephen also reflect again on the war in Ukraine, including ways in which they think about their own responses to the conflict.We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com, and bonus material on Patreon!Resources from this episode:Culture Care by Makoto Fujimura (Book): at Bookshop.orgMemorial for the Victims of War and Tyranny at Neue Wache . Photo of the Statue Find Profs in Rooms mugs and more here. Credits: Regular Theme Music “A New Hope” by MeGustaMusic. This episode was partially recorded on the land of the Wahpekute, Anishinabewaki, and the Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux).We may receive commission from Amazon or Bookshop.org for purchases made through some of our links. Those commissions do not reduce authors' royalties. Thank you for your support.

Megan Yoder joins Justin and Stephen again to help them think through the intersection of Art with Beauty and helps them expand their view to include intersections of Art with Truth, Wisdom, and Goodness. In part 2 of this 3 part series, Megan reflects on how Art might influence scholarship.Justin and Stephen also reflect on the war in Ukraine, and Stephen reflects on the weird dual-reality of life going on as “normal” while there is horrible conflict unfolding nearby.We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com, and bonus material on Patreon!Resources from this episode:Culture Care by Makoto Fujimura (Book): at Bookshop.orgMemorial for the Victims of War and Tyranny at Neue Wache . Photo of the Statue Find Profs in Rooms mugs and more here. Credits: Regular Theme Music “A New Hope” by MeGustaMusic. This episode was partially recorded on the land of the Wahpekute, Anishinabewaki, and the Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux).We may receive commission from Amazon or Bookshop.org for purchases made through some of our links. Those commissions do not reduce authors' royalties. Thank you for your support.

Megan Yoder joins Justin and Stephen to help them think through the intersection of Art with Beauty and them helps them expand their view to include intersections of Art with Truth, Wisdom, and Goodness. In part 1 of this 3 part series, Megan considers the ways in which Art expresses Truth, along with the limitations of words.Justin makes a couple of important corrections from Episode 4, and the guys talk about hope and uncertainty as they talk about highlights, lowlights, and insights for the week.We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com, and bonus material on Patreon!Find Profs in Rooms mugs and more here. Credits: Regular Theme Music “A New Hope” by MeGustaMusic. This episode was partially recorded on the land of the Wahpekute, Anishinabewaki, and the Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux).We may receive commission from Amazon or Bookshop.org for purchases made through some of our links. Those commissions do not reduce authors' royalties. Thank you for your support.

In today's episode, Justin and Stephen introduce the guiding themes for this season: truth, beauty, wisdom, and goodness. Then, in today's second installment of this three part series, Justin discusses the Roman Imperial context in the 1st Century and considers how it matters for understanding the book of Ephesians.In particular, he introduces Roman treason laws, espionage, and imperial cults as important elements of context. Justin also wrestles with how Pauline or non-Pauline authorship impacts the Empire's influence on the first readers of Ephesians.Justin and Stephen also talk about coffee and their highlights, lowlights, and insights for the week.We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com, including a wonderful picture of Jerry the Cat, and bonus material on Patreon!Find Profs in Rooms mugs and more here. Credits: Regular Theme Music “A New Hope” by MeGustaMusic. This episode was partially recorded on the land of the Wahpekute, Anishinabewaki, and the Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux).We may receive commission from Amazon or Bookshop.org for purchases made through some of our links. Those commissions do not reduce authors' royalties. Thank you for your support.

Justin and Stephen talk about the upcoming Season of Profs in Rooms. Stephen asks whether he still qualifies to be on the podcast, and Justin considers the question of the most consistent element of the podcast.We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com and bonus material on Patreon!To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com or become a patron. Find Profs in Rooms mugs and more here. Resources related to today's episode:Unterwegs, the En Route Podcast, is our sister podcast. In it, Stephen and Jennie have recurring series in which they discuss their transition to Berlin, Germany. Those conversations are based on Stephen's book Transitions Across Cultures: Bookshop.org or AmazonCredits: Regular Theme Music “A New Hope” by MeGustaMusic. This episode was partially recorded on the land of the Wahpekute, Anishinabewaki, and the Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux).We may receive commission from Amazon or Bookshop.org for purchases made through some of our links. Those commissions do not reduce authors' royalties. Thank you for your support.

How to Be Accessible Beyond the Sliding Scale An interview with Lindsay Bryan-Podvin, LMSW, about how therapy can be accessible (and not just financially). Curt and Katie chat with Lindsay about capitalism versus money exchange, the social enterprise model, and how therapists can make a good living without feeling like greedy capitalists. We also explore the many different types of accessibility and the importance of setting your fees based on your needs and values rather than as a mechanism to single-handedly fix the broken system or to meet an artificial money goal.     It's time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. Interview with Lindsay Bryan-Podvin, LMSW, Mind Money Balance Lindsay Bryan-Podvin (she/her) is a biracial financial therapist, speaker, and author of the book "The Financial Anxiety Solution." In her therapy practice, Mind Money Balance, she uses shame-free financial therapy to help people get their minds and money in balance. She's expanded her services to help private practice therapists with their money mindset, sustainable pricing, and authentic marketing so they can include financial self-care in their work. She lives with her partner and their dog on the traditional land of the Fox, Peoria, Potawatomi, and Anishinabewaki peoples also known as Michigan. In this episode we talk about: How therapy can be more accessible (and not just monetarily) The money “shit” that gets in the way of us thinking about other options for accessibility Decreasing stigma and the notion that therapy is by and for white folks Are we making our practices accessible for all sorts of folks? ADA compliance, supporting neurodivergent and disabled folks Cultural competence, the ability to apply that in sessions with clients who are different than us Being embedded in our communities Taking therapy out of the shadows The challenges in getting out and having a larger voice How accessibility is intertwined with therapist visibility How to become part of your community in effective and impactful ways Financial ways to make your practice more accessible beyond sliding scale Social Enterprise Model: intersection of what you do well, what values you stand for, and what can you get paid well to do Feeling like a greedy capitalist What it means to be paid well How to think about setting your fees Fee-setting based on what you need to survive and thrive (not capitalist principles) The problem with “know your worth” The big cognitive shift required to move from community mental health pricing and work-life balance, fees Tying money to quality of life, not specific monetary goals Getting to “enough” not more and more Capitalism versus money exchange The wealth of knowledge we have as therapists (and how therapists take it for granted and/or devalue it) Sharing your knowledge as a mechanism of accessibility to your whole community To practice self-care, you have to be able to afford it Our Generous Sponsor: Trauma Therapist Network Trauma is highly prevalent in mental health client populations and people are looking for therapists with specialized training and experience in trauma, but they often don't know where to start. If you've ever looked for a trauma therapist, you know it can be hard to discern who knows what and whether or not they're the right fit for you. There are so many types of trauma and so many different ways to heal. That's why Laura Reagan, LCSW-C created Trauma Therapist Network.  Trauma Therapist Network is a new resource for anyone who wants to learn about trauma and how it shows up in our lives. This new site has articles, resources and podcasts for learning about trauma and its effects, as well as a directory exclusively for trauma therapists to let people know how they work and what they specialize in, so potential clients can find them. Trauma Therapist Network therapist profiles include the types of trauma specialized in, populations served and therapy methods used, making it easier for potential clients to find the right therapist who can help them.  The Network is more than a directory, though. It's a community. All members are invited to attend community meetings to connect, consult and network with colleagues around the country. Join our growing community of trauma therapists and get 20% off your first month using the promo code:  MTSG20 at www.traumatherapistnetwork.com.   Resources mentioned: We've pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance! www.mindmoneybalance.com https://www.instagram.com/mindmoneybalance/ Lindsay's podcast: Mind Money Balance   Relevant Episodes: Lindsay's previous podcast episode: Financial Therapy Katie Read: Therapists Shaming Therapists Negotiating Sliding Scale Making Access More Affordable Asking for Money Reimagining Therapy Reimagined   Connect with us! Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group  Our consultation services: The Fifty-Minute Hour Who we are: Curt Widhalm is in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is the cofounder of the Therapy Reimagined conference, an Adjunct Professor at Pepperdine University and CSUN, a former Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, former CFO of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.com Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant supporting leaders, visionaries, executives, and helping professionals to create sustainable careers. Katie, with Curt, has developed workshops and a conference, Therapy Reimagined, to support therapists navigating through the modern challenges of this profession. Katie is also a former President of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.com A Quick Note: Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We're working on it. Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren't trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don't want to, but hey.   Stay in Touch: www.mtsgpodcast.com www.therapyreimagined.com Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist's Group https://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/ https://twitter.com/therapymovement https://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/   Credits: Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/ Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/   Transcript (Autogenerated)   Curt Widhalm  00:00 This episode is sponsored by trauma therapist network.   Katie Vernoy  00:04 Trauma therapist network is a new resource for anyone who wants to learn about trauma and how it shows up in our lives. This new site has articles, resources and podcasts for learning about trauma and its effects, as well as a directory exclusively for trauma therapists to let people know how they work, and what they specialize in so potential clients can find them. Visit traumatherapistnetwork.com to learn more,   Curt Widhalm  00:27 listen at the end of the episode for more about the trauma therapist network.   Announcer  00:31 You're listening to the Modern Therapist's Survival Guide, where therapists live, breed and practice as human beings to support you as a whole person and a therapist. Here are your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy.   Curt Widhalm  00:47 Welcome back modern therapists. This is the modern therapist Survival Guide. I'm Curt Widhalm, with Katie Vernoy. And this is the podcast for therapists about things that we do things that we don't do things that maybe we should do. And both Katie and our guests today are looking at me like, where is this going? And honestly, this is just one of those rambling intros that we have. So rather than making this more awkward, we're joined once again by Lindsey Bryan Podvin. She's been a guest to the show before spoken at therapy reimagined with us, talking to us about money and ways that we could be looking at it for our practice. So thank you for joining us again.   Lindsay Bryan-Podvin  01:35 Oh, yeah, I'm really happy to be here. This is my favorite thing to chat about, and to be in community with you guys. Again, it's fun.   Katie Vernoy  01:43 Oh, we're so glad to have you back. And we'll definitely link to your previous episode in our show notes. But for folks who haven't heard from you for a while, or for our new listeners, tell us who you are and what you're putting out into the world.   Lindsay Bryan-Podvin  01:57 Yeah, so as Curt mentioned, my name is Lindsay Bryan-Podvin. I'm a social worker, and financial therapist, and I have kind of two arms of what I'm putting out there into the world, I have my clinical arm, and then I have my consulting arm. So in my clinical world, I'm doing financial therapy, which is helping clients with the emotional and psychological side of money, which spoiler alert is all of it, I think. And then, on the consulting side, I know you all know that therapists have money, shit, and we have a lot of hang ups about it. And so in my consulting arm, I help mostly other therapists, though, over the past year, I'll say that other kind of helping professionals have woven their way in, whether it's dietitians, acupuncturist, Reiki healers, because I think a lot of us get similar messaging about what money is and what it isn't. And so I help them work on their emotional and psychological relationship with money so they can have sustainable and profitable businesses. And I do, like outside of the the hands on work, or the zoom work, I suppose I have a podcast and Instagram, a pretty active blog and an email list that keeps me using my creative side of my brain.   Katie Vernoy  03:13 Nice. I love it.   Curt Widhalm  03:15 One of the big discussions that's been in the social justice aspects of our field, especially for private practitioners, and admittedly also here on our show, is talking about things like accessibility and being able to make our services go beyond just those top paying cash pay clients. Can you walk us through kind of what you hear in these discussions about accessibility for practices, and especially as it relates to some of these monetary issues?   Lindsay Bryan-Podvin  03:50 Yeah, I think as therapists we get really stuck on accessibility being only a monetary issue. So we think about solving for that problem by sliding our scale or by offering pro bono spaces. But we forget about all the other ways in which we can and should be accessible if that works in alignment with us. So as I think you guys were talking with Katie read about like the the the money talk that comes up on therapists forums and how there's so much guilt and shame and, and judgment about what people do or don't do, whether they do or don't take insurance, whether they do or don't slide their scale, but that's where most of us get stuck. And there are so many things beyond sliding our scale and the fee that we charge that can bring about accessibility for our practices and in our communities.   Katie Vernoy  04:45 What are some of the things that we can think about beyond sliding scale because I think I get stuck there as well with and maybe this is just our focus is that we're so focused on the monetary aspects and our own money shit as you described it, and We aren't thinking about what else isn't making us accessible.   Lindsay Bryan-Podvin  05:03 Yeah, I think taking a few steps back before a client even finds our website or finds us on a therapist directory, really thinking about how can we make our field more accessible by talking about what is therapy, I think in a lot of communities, we still have these stigmas that therapy is buy in for white people. And it's done on a couch with, you know, a person who's got reinforced elbows and they're smoking a pipe, right? You know, like, we have that imagery. And if we are not talking to our communities about what therapy is and who it is for, and how it can be helpful by not just talking about what it is, but also the stigma reduction, we don't even get people landing on our websites or knocking on our, you know, figurative door, right. So being in our communities and talking about what it is and who it's for, and how it can be helpful. And also talking about just the ins and outs of therapy, that it is confidential. I think in a lot of communities, there's a fear that if I go to a therapist, then you know, my mom's cousins going to find out about it, or that my employer will be told about it, or that my partner will be told about it. So I think there's some education that has to happen on the backend before people even get to our doors. And then in terms of other measures of accessibility outside of this scale. Let's get really granular on on what is accessibility? Do our clients see themselves reflected in the way that we practice therapy? Can clients who have disabilities, either neurodiversity or physical limitations, do they have actual access to our offices? Are they ADA compliant? Do we offer you know, nowadays, so many of us offer basically zoom therapy? Which makes it so much more accessible? Are we operating on bus routes and public transportation? Is there easy parking, like the literal accessibility piece? And then the cultural competency piece? Can they speak my language? If I don't speak English? Do I have somebody sitting across from me in the therapy room? Who gets what I'm talking about? When we talk about cultural competence? Not just thinking about, you know, whether or not you took a class on Southeast Asian Studies. But what does that mean? And how does that show up in our spaces, and being embedded in our community beyond just like, hiding in this little bubble, where we're kind of shrouded in mystery, I think, taking therapy out of the shadows and making it more commonplace in our communities, like we are healers in our communities. And we shouldn't be hiding behind the walls of like mystery what when there are community events, I would love to see more therapists out and they're out and about, as sponsors, as networkers and things like that, like, we also have to take ourselves out of the shadow. So there's, there's a lot of different ways we can talk about accessibility.   Curt Widhalm  07:59 So I love what you're saying, I completely agree with getting out there. There's some some stumbling steps that can happen in putting ourselves out there, because so much of our history is in being shrouded to the, you know, the shadows. And sometimes the responses that I hear from clinicians is, oh, that person went out and was talking about this, but didn't represent themselves. Well, it isn't representing the field. Well, do you have any advice as far as taking some of these steps? You know, look at you, and all of the things that you post in your newsletters and social media and this kind of stuff, money seems to be kind of like a fairly neutral ground as far as being able to talk about relationships with money. For those who are looking to maybe take some other steps as far as making this accessibility happen, that might be around more unique issues to communities. Do you have any suggestions on how people might find the confidence to be able to make those steps?   Lindsay Bryan-Podvin  09:03 Yeah, I really like this question. Because I think that accessibility and visibility are are intertwined. And visibility isn't just social media. So let's say you do want to be more accessible in your community and you do want to be more visible in your community, but you're talking about something that is more sensitive, like you know, sexual trauma, then yeah, maybe going on in doing an Instagram live about it isn't probably the most appropriate way because you don't know who's on the other side of it, you really can't create a container of people to make sure that it's safer or at least safer. So maybe in that instance, it's going to, you know, a high school and pulling a you know, having a group of 30 kids that you are talking to about this in like a speaking engagement setting or maybe it is going to the healthcare system and sitting down and talking to the medical social workers about what you know, or to the nurse midwives about what you know, right there. Different ways to get out and become a part of the community that don't involve these kind of one way one sided communication methods. Does that make sense?   Katie Vernoy  10:11 It does, I think this idea of making the whole profession more accessible to folks and all folks, and not just the kind of historical white people and the, the, the patches and the pipes. I think that to me is, it's really, really important. And I think it also is only a first step. Because when they get to our door is there still is I think, you know, financial accessibility concerns for a lot of folks. And so are there financial ways to be accessible that don't involve involves sliding your scale?   Lindsay Bryan-Podvin  10:48 Yeah, of course. So, undoubtedly, money is a real accessibility issue. I'm not just saying like, Oh, you know, just get out there. That's it sounds it? All. Right, exactly. Exactly. An email newsletter is not going to fix accessibility. But as you guys have also talked about on this podcast, it's not the responsibility of an individual therapist, to fix the broken medical system salute here. And at the same time, there are more creative ways to provide services to people in your community that are might be easier on their pocketbooks. So group therapy is also a really great option, because you as the clinician are still generating the revenue that you need to, and the people on the other side are usually paying you less dollars per session. Insurance, I know there's a big again, it's not your job to accept insurance if they don't reimburse you well, but accepting insurance is a measure of accessibility. And even if you aren't accepting insurance, helping your clients out, walking them through what a super bill is, you know, spending a little bit of time in session, making sure that they know what that means and how to actually get it done. That, to me is incredibly helpful. So providing a bit of space in the in the session to talk through how you can do that, particularly if they have anxiety, or they've got some ADHD, you know, they might need a little extra hand holding to get those things done. There are depending on your licensing board, I've seen some people do sponsored therapy spot. So it's a little bit different than a pro bono. It's Think of it like a scholarship for therapy. So the way that I've seen this work is for clients who pay a full fee, you essentially tell them look by you paying a full fee, a portion of your fee goes towards sponsoring somebody who would not be able to afford therapy with me. So you're still getting income, but you're also having the clients who are able to pay your fee, kind of some buy in that they are also kind of helping out other people in the community. So those are some different ways to be accessible, that don't involve sliding your scale doesn't mean you have to do all or any of them. It's just different ways to think about it.   Curt Widhalm  13:04 On of the things that you talked about in your presentation at the therapy reimagined conference, this social enterprise.   Lindsay Bryan-Podvin  13:12 Yes.   Curt Widhalm  13:14 Can you tell us more about that, what it means for people who maybe didn't attend the conference and what the social enterprise model is and how this might fit in for therapists?   Lindsay Bryan-Podvin  13:24 Yeah, I think so many therapists struggle with this idea of charging for services because we've internalized so many things about what money is or what it isn't. And the social enterprise model essentially says, look, there are three things to provide something that you can feel good about doing. And also know that you are being compensated fairly for it. And it exists at the intersection of these three things. One, what do you do well, what values do you stand for? And what can you be paid? Well to do, and as therapists I think, if we can think about ourselves at the intersection of that, of existing, and I do this really well, these are in alignment with my values, this type of therapeutic intervention is in alignment with my values, and I can be paid well to do that. You know, that you are contributing to the greater good of the community by making sure that you're not just wringing out your clients for the most dollars you can get right? I think so many of us think that if I charge money, then I'm a greedy capitalist, but it's also about am I being compensated for the skills that I offer and the transformations that I'm able to help facilitate in a meaningful way?   Katie Vernoy  14:41 I know that there are a lot of different perspectives on how you decide how much money to wring out of your client. And, and and you mentioned the episode with Katie Read and we've had other conversations as well, just about the shoulds. And you know, how I should set my fees and those types of things. Yeah, and to me, it feels like there's so much nuance. It's it's a wide open space, there's a lot of shit. So people feel like it's not wide open, but I feel like it really is. What advice do you have on on setting those fees? Because when we're in that space where I can be paid well for it, it's aligned with my values, and I can do it well, like, it can be hard to figure out like, and what does being paid? Well mean, that I can feel good about?   Lindsay Bryan-Podvin  15:30 Yeah. And I think that's such a good question. Because this idea of what does it mean to be paid? Well, is so skewed in our field, my first job, I was making $32,000, you know, with a master's degree, and I don't think that's an unfamiliar number or salary for people to hear. And so when a lot of people go into private practice, they hold themselves to that standard, oh, well, I was making 40k or 50k. I think that's a reasonable salary. I think that's what I'll try to make. So we haven't thought beyond what do we actually need to survive and thrive. And that's where doing things in alignment with your values can be really beneficial. So when it comes to fi setting, you're not just thinking about what are you charging your clients? You're also thinking about? Does that fee sustain me and allow me to practice financial self care? Which means Can I take care of my financial needs? Yes, but do Am I also able to support my mental, my emotional and my spiritual self. With that? I know, I was, I was loving your episode on burnout. And I love the modeling that the two of you did by saying, Look, we're going to hit pause on the therapy reimagine conference, we also have to build in time off and time for restoration, there is a study that says we need, I think, oh, shoot, I'm going to botch it. Now. I think it's eight or 10 consecutive days off in a row to actually unplug from work. So making sure that you have that built in to your time off. So making sure it covers your time off making sure it covers your health insurance. Unfortunately, we live in a society where your healthcare is tied with your employment. So when you're self employed, you have to make sure that you can cover your health insurance, you have to also make sure that you're thinking about your future self in traditional employment, we often have access to retirement plans or programs. And when we move into entrepreneurship, we are our own 401k or four, three B plan. So we have to make sure that all of those things are taken into account. And we don't want to be overworking ourselves. When we show up exhausted and burnt out and watching the clock, we are not being good clinicians we just aren't. And just taking stock of our own energy, my full pre pandemic was 18, I could comfortably see 18 clients a week that felt like a good fit for me, I wasn't burnt out, I wasn't presenting my clients, I had downtime to get the things done, I needed to do and I charged accordingly. Now, my max is 12. I have found that doing zoom therapy. While there are so many advantages of it, like I genuinely really like it, I find that literally the physicality of sitting still and staring at my screen and just what really watching so much harder for nuances through the screen takes so much more energy out of me and I can no longer comfortably and competently feel like I'm a good practitioner when I'm seeing 18 clients when I've had to scale that back to 12. And then what do I have to do to make up for that income? So that was a long answer of saying it depends. You have to figure out what money you need to be bringing in and you need to make sure that you're not just thinking about comparing it to what you use to earn an agency job because you were likely being underpaid there.   Katie Vernoy  18:47 It's hard not to feel like a greedy capitalist. With that it means you have to charge a premium fee mostly   Lindsay Bryan-Podvin  18:56 Yeah, yeah.   Curt Widhalm  18:59 Give me advice for people making that jump to those premium price because I'm sure that there's a lot of our listeners who might be considering leaving an agency job and being like, you know, I know you know my session value in this agency and this aligns maybe with my values but in going out and charging somebody three four or five times that fee in order to meet my money goals seems like it has a lot of opportunity to bring up some that imposter syndrome and really being able to balance that for those individuals you have any guidance on what to really look at hopefully beyond just kind of know your worth.   Lindsay Bryan-Podvin  19:43 Yeah. Oh my god. Thank you for saying that because also the Know your worth thing. That's a trope I used to find myself repeating. And then a friend of mine who's a behavioral economist, she shared with me Jaquette Timmons and she's goes Lindsay You have to stop saying that because we as humans We don't have a worth. So instead, she invited me to reframe it as charged the value of what your services are worth to give yourself a little bit of psychic distance there between like, I'm worth $300. Now it's like no, the value of my services are worth $300 an hour. So anyway, tangent aside, how can you come into charging fees for your services, I think there is a pendulum swing that I see happen when people try to get out of the mentality of sliding their scale as low as possible to charging premium fees. And so they go from being in spaces where being a good therapist means charging very little into spaces that are like, You need to be a six, seven figure business owner, and you need to be charging premium fees, which can be as we know, a big jump cognitively. And so I always invite people to come back to your values, your lifestyle needs, your unique financial goals. And I'm not about bashing the people who are saying, Oh, you need to make six figures or seven figures. My practice does generate six figures. But I don't think that is a magical goalposts where all your problems are suddenly solved. I think this chase this money charge, the premium fees, you have to work more can backfire. In that it forces us to work more meaning when you have that mentality of I have to work harder, I have to chase this x figure goal or this premium fee number. What happens often is you get into this space where I'll just use myself for an example that that 12 clients Oh, I saw 12 clients a week, I made enough money to hit my goals. I started to cultivate work life balance. But now what if I saw twice as many people, I could make twice as much money? What could I do it twice as much money. And then all of a sudden you forget about why you did it in the first place. So coming back to how much do I need? How much do I desire and is the money that I'm charging, allowing me to do things in alignment with my values, let's say family is like the most important value to me. And I want my 10 consecutive days off in a row with my family. And I want to go somewhere where I don't have to worry about you know, finding activities for us to do or cooking a bunch of food, I want to make sure that I have enough money to pay for that Airbnb to pay for takeout and that Airbnb is conveniently located to a lot of like outdoor activities. That's a goal that I can kind of reverse engineer my way. And to me, it's also modeling for your clients, you don't necessarily have to say to your client, like, Oh, my financial goal was this, this and this, and I was able to achieve it. But you're also modeling for your clients the importance of taking time off of adhering to your boundaries and practicing self care. So again, that's a tangent of an answer. But I guess the long and short of it is as you move towards charging premium fees come back to like, what your WHY IS, and when you feel that anxiety to work more and charge more and go harder, you actually may already have enough.   Katie Vernoy  23:02 I like that I think the piece that resonates for me is this, the letting go of I must get to this number, I must make more money. And I think for me, there's also this big push of like we must leverage we must, we must continue to grow and expand. And I think there's a point at which we have enough I mean, there, there may still be challenges that we need to do. But there's this, this freedom and not having to constantly grow and, and make my business bigger and make my business more successful. Like there's each person has to decide where they land or where they land for a time and you know, different seasons of what I need and what I want and what's most important to me, but it feels like it and this is kind of circling back to the the social enterprise model and kind of this idea of capitalism versus money exchange and, you know, clarifying all of that, but but it seems like when it's completely tied to values, what you're positing is that feels better than just making money for money's sake. And so, so tell us a little bit more about this. Because to me, I feel like I'm just starting to grasp the idea I was I was too caught up in the greedy capitalism, to understand kind of what what we were what we were starting to talk about with a social enterprise model.   Lindsay Bryan-Podvin  24:24 Yeah. So to bounce off of this idea of what is the difference between capitalism and money exchange? I think it's important to note that capitalism is a is a political economic system that we we know the dangers of right it is propped up by the unpaid and underpaid labor. So the person or people who are in charge, get the greatest amount of profit available. And as such, as we kind of touched on earlier, it's a system where we give all the praise to the people who Make a lot of money because they must have worked hard and simultaneously shamed the people who didn't make a lot of money because they must have not been hard workers. And we've we bought into that idea as a society so much so that you know, at the time that we're recording this, if you're on Twitter right now, you can see people rallying around Elon Musk saying like, yeah, he shouldn't have to pay taxes, he worked really hard. So we've got all these people saying, like, yeah, we save the billionaires instead of let's make sure we have a safety net that people can't fall through for the greater good of our society. So that's capitalism. And there's a lot of problems with it. And even if you disagree with it, unfortunately, we live in that society. Yeah. And money exchange, on the other hand has been around since the dawn of time, whether it was literal dollars or coins, there has always been an exchange of things for other things, or things or other services. And when we think about small business owners, which is most private practice owners, if we can think about ourselves as kind of the community farmstand, it helps to shift that mentality. So for example, if I go down to the farmers market, and I purchased a half a dozen eggs, I'm helping to support sustainable agriculture in my community, I get to know the person who grew my crew, my eggs, I don't think we're growing eggs, but you don't I mean, maybe if you're vegan, actually, you're growing your eggs. So you're growing your eggs substitutes? Got it? So we want to think about as therapists, how can we kind of fit into that model, where what we do in charging for services, and helping people in our community is a win win. Because when we have a healthier person in our community, because we are helping them with their mental health, what is that ripple effect on the community? And how can that be beneficial?   Curt Widhalm  26:57 It sounds like, you know, this is what a lot of practitioners do by going out into the community and sharing even some of the things that you were talking about at the top of the episode of just going and talking about mental health and about their practices and doing some, I guess, pro bono work and in the way of psychoeducation, or community education that helps to make that Win Win happen.   Lindsay Bryan-Podvin  27:25 Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I think it's so so powerful. I think when we are in our spaces where we're surrounded by other mental health, folks, we forget what the baseline is of mental health knowledge. Oh, yeah, forget, just like what a wealth of information we have, like the other day, I did a presentation for non mental health care providers about what financial anxiety is, and tips to cope with it right. And for anybody in the therapy field, they'd be like, that's like, entry level CBT, maybe if you're lucky. But for this group of people, it wasn't that they don't, it's just we forget how much knowledge we have, and how valuable explaining some basics of how our minds and bodies and thoughts are connected, can be a huge value for other people in our community. So just don't take what your knowledge is for granted. Get out of your academic kind of echo chambers and go talk to people who aren't in the mental health care field. And that is really where you can offer a lot of wisdom and value in your community.   Curt Widhalm  28:33 So once again, echoing stop hanging out with therapists.   Lindsay Bryan-Podvin  28:41 That might be a theme. Yeah.   Katie Vernoy  28:44 Maybe it's stopped just hanging out with therapists   Lindsay Bryan-Podvin  28:47 That's a good reframe  Katie   Katie Vernoy  28:49 I know, I just it's really hard. I know, for me, and we've all spoken for therapists, we've all kind of done that thing. And I'm sure, just from the way you described it, Lindsay, you've got the thing. Like, that was a really nice reminder. And like, it is so dismissive. When a therapist comes up and says that to you, you're like, Yeah, but why did you need that reminder? You know, so I think it's that piece of when you start talking to folks who are not therapists, you recognize this is really important information. And it's not going to be discarded as Oh, I already knew that because it is this new piece that's coming in, that then allows, and this is, I guess, going to do accessibility thing. It allows this information to be disseminated more widely widely. It's something where they then are able to implement it, and maybe some people wouldn't need therapy if this information are readily available and was there first and so I think I'm putting the pieces together, Lindsay, I'm starting to see but it's it's really sharing the knowledge. It's making sure that you're available and that you've set up a fee system that makes sense for the folks that you're Working with but it's, it's this additional piece of you know, maybe you get creative and you do sponsorships or I mean there's people that have whole mechanisms for nonprofits to donate for, for scholarships for therapy. So I, there's, there's so much creativity that doesn't require an individual to slide their scale to an unsustainable fee. But this notion of just be accessible for all with all of these other pieces, I think is is hard to do. If you're not making enough money to survive, and you're seeing 40 clients a week,   Lindsay Bryan-Podvin  30:33 Ding ding ding that is exactly it. We cannot care for other people in our community when we don't take care of ourselves. And it's, you know, we hammer on this message as therapists but we forget that in order to practice self care, we need to be able to fucking afford it. Like we just do.   Katie Vernoy  30:48 Yeah, exactly.   Curt Widhalm  30:52 And it's not just kind of the big luxurious, affording things like yeah, you know, that eight to 10 days, go and do a vacation if that's your jam, but it's also being able to afford the consistent little things of and you know, it's going home at a decent time of night. It's being you know, not spending your your off hours catching up on notes, or it's having all of the other systems and everything else that we've talked about on this podcast of being able to have the convenience of being able to afford shutting off at each and every day.   Lindsay Bryan-Podvin  31:30 Yeah, absolutely in in those are the things that we know, make. The biggest difference is that consistency and that predictability, that predictability that you can power down the predictability that you can pay your bills that helps to give us that mental space to rest and to be safe.   Katie Vernoy  31:51 Where can people find you?   Lindsay Bryan-Podvin  31:53 My website is called Mind money balance. It's the same name as my practice. My podcast is of the same name. My Instagram handle is of the same name so people can find me on any of those places.   Curt Widhalm  32:08 And we'll include links to Lindsay's stuff in our show notes. You can find those over at MCSG podcast calm and also follow us on our social media and join our Facebook group, the modern therapist group. And until next time, I'm Curt Widhalm with Katie Vernoy And Lindsey Bryan-Podvin.   Katie Vernoy  32:26 Thanks again to our sponsor, trauma therapist network.   Curt Widhalm  32:30 If you've ever looked for a trauma therapist, you can know it can be hard to discern who knows what and whether or not they're the right fit for you. There's so many types of trauma and so many different ways to heal. That's why Laura Reagan LCSW WC created trauma therapist network. Trauma therapist network therapist profiles include the types of traumas specialized in population served therapy methods used, making it easier for potential clients to find the right therapist who can help them. Network is more than a directory though it's a community. 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On March 20th, 1980, Mount St. Helens (traditionally known as Lawetlat'la or Loowit) erupted. Rocks boiled, rivers evaporated into clouds, and Spirit Lake—a site connected with Indigenous whistling spirits known as Tsiatko—was smothered under a blanket of pyrolized trees. As part of a continuing series of works under the “Echomaking” umbrella, in this audio essay, Kristen Gallerneaux (Métis-Wendat) uncovers the sonic, material, and poetic resonances connected to this story. She will focus on the contagion effect of folklore born out of cataclysmic events, new mineral formats, and recovering knowledge within charged landscapes affected by geological and ecological transformation. This recording was made on land occupying the ancestral, traditional and contemporary homelands of the Meškwahki·aša·hina (Fox), Peoria, Anishinabewaki ᐊᓂᔑᓈᐯᐗᑭ, Bodéwadmiakiwen (Potawatomi), and Myaamia people.  The people of these nations were forced from their land through the 1807 Treaty of Detroit. Kristen Gallerneaux is an artist, curator, and sonic researcher holding a Ph.D. in Art Practice & Media History (UC San Diego), an MA in Folklore (University of Oregon), and an MFA in Art (Wayne State University). She is also the Curator of Communication and Information Technology at The Henry Ford Museum in Detroit, Michigan, where she continues to build upon one of the largest historical technology collections in North America. In 2018, she was a Future Thought speaker at Moogfest and premiered the experimental short film, The Hum. She has presented at Unsound editions Dislocation (2014), Presence (2018), and Intermission (2020). In 2017, she spoke about the history of the Votrax text-to-speech synthesizer and taught an electronic music production workshop at Pop Kultur Berlin. She has written for the Barbican Center, ARTnews, the Quietus, and Herman Miller's WHY magazine. She has published on wide-ranging topics like mathematics in mid-century design, the visual history of telepathy research, the world's first mousepad, and car audio bass battles in Miami. Her book, High Static, Dead Lines, is available via Strange Attractor Press and distributed by MIT Press in the United States. Produced by: Zakia Sewell Music by: Nicolas Gaunin Design by: Mariana Vale This series has been programmed as part of the Freelands Lomax Ceramics Fellowship.

In this brief episode, Justin and Stephen talk through highlights, lowlights, and insights for the last couple of weeks as they wrap up Season 2. Watch for the longer meta-conversation Justina and Stephen had thinking through Season 2 on the Profs in Rooms Patreon. It will post within about a week after this episode.We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com and bonus material on Patreon!To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com or become a patron. Find Profs in Rooms mugs and more here. Resources from this episode:Unterwegs, the En Route Podcast, which Stephen mentioned at the beginning of today's show. The first two series of the show chronicle the cross-cultural transition journey that Jennie and Stephen are on as they prepare to move to Berlin - more series later as they arrive and adjust to their new home!Stephen's book Transitions Across Cultures: Bookshop.org or AmazonVideos and other resources for transitions: traxcultures.comCredits: Regular Theme Music by Josiah Enns. This episode was recorded on the land of the Wahpekute, Anishinabewaki, and the Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux).We may receive commission from Amazon or Bookshop.org for purchases made through some of our links. Those commissions do not reduce authors' royalties. Thank you for your support.

Check out this episode on Youtube with automatic closed captioning! In this episode, Lindsay talks with us about financial psychology and the impact that money can have on people. She touches on how this can impact our clients, how we develop our mindset about money as early as 7-8 years old, and how this can effect us in our jobs as clinicians in community mental health and/or private practice. Take a listen to learn a lot with Lindsay! Lindsay Bryan-Podvin is a biracial financial therapist, speaker, and author of the book "The Financial Anxiety Solution." In her therapy practice, Mind Money Balance, she uses shame-free financial therapy to help people get their minds and money in balance. She's expanded her services to help private practice therapists with their money mindset, sustainable pricing, and authentic marketing so they can include financial self-care in their work. She lives with her partner and their dog on the traditional land of the Fox, Peoria, Potawatomi, and Anishinabewaki peoples also known as Michigan. Check out our sponsor: MT-PC! All pod-courses on sale for $20 off! Free Financial Archetype quiz mentioned in the podcast:  www.mindmoneybalance.com/quiz/ Follow Lindsay on Instagram @mindmoneybalance Check out her website: www.mindmoneybalance.com Mind Money Balance Podcast www.mindmoneybalance.com/podcast1/ Check out our sponsor: MT-PC! All pod-courses on sale for $20 off! Join our newsletter for free downloads, creative ideas, and exclusive access to our materials! Follow Creative Therapy Umbrella on Instagram or on Facebook! Have feedback? Fill out our anonymous survey to let us know your thoughts, concerns, questions, suggestions, and feedback. For us to serve you better, we need to hear YOUR voice!

In this episode, Rachel Pieh Jones joins Justin and Stephen again to discuss her new book Pillars: How Muslim Friends led me Closer to Jesus. She shares more about what her Muslim friends have taught her, especially about prayer and giving.Rachel also talks about what she wished American Christians understood about Muslims, and what brings her delight as she walks through life with her Muslim friends.Also in this episode, Justin and Stephen discuss end of year transitions - espeically within academics, doing good for its own sake, and Stephen’s upcoming move. as they talk through their highlights, lowlights, and insights for the week.We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com and bonus material on Patreon!To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com or become a patron. Find Profs in Rooms mugs and more here. Resources from this episode:Resources related to today’s episode:S2. E.18 Profs in Rooms podcast conversation with Rachel Pieh JonesRachel’s websiteFind Rachel on social media:Instagram: @rachelpiehjonesFacebookTwitter: @rachelpiehjonesRachel’s book: Pillars: How Muslim Friends led me Closer to Jesus: On Bookshop.org | On AmazonRachel’s book: Stronger than Death: How Annalena Tonelli Defied Terror and Tuberculosis in the Horn of Africa: On Bookshop.org | On Amazon About Rachel Pieh JonesRachel Pieh JonesRachel Pieh Jones moved to Somaliland in 2003 and has lived in Djibouti since 2004. She and her husband run a school in Djibouti and she writes about life at the crossroads of faith and culture. Her work has appeared in the New York Times, Christianity Today, Runners World, and more. Her writing is influenced by living in the Horn of Africa, raising Third Culture Kids, and adventurous exploration of the natural world. She is the author of Stronger than Death: How Annalena Tonelli Defied Terror and Tuberculosis in the Horn of Africa and her newest book, just out in April is Pillars: How Muslim Friends Led Me Closer to Jesus.Credits: Regular Theme Music by Josiah Enns. This episode was recorded on the land of the Wahpekute, Anishinabewaki, and the Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux).We may receive commission from Amazon or Bookshop.org for purchases made through some of our links. Those commissions do not reduce authors’ royalties. Thank you for your support.

In this episode, Rachel Pieh Jones joins Justin and Stephen to discuss her new book Pillars: How Muslim Friends led me Closer to Jesus. Rachel shares her inspiration for the book, and talks about how discovering the core of her own faith allowed her to work on rooting out unhelpful beliefs, while also opening her to be more deeply present with people who are different from her.Rachel also talks about the unique joys of being a Christian in a place where Jesus-followers are in the minority, and what she has learned as she has deconstructed the idol of safety. In Episode 19, Justin and Stephen talk more specifically with Rachel about what she has learned from her Muslim friends.Also in this episode, Justin and Stephen discuss parenting and the way that memories are connected to material items as they talk through their highlights, lowlights, and insights for the week.We have show notes for you at profsinrooms.com and bonus material on Patreon!To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com or become a patron. Find Profs in Rooms mugs and more here. Resources from this episode:Resources related to today’s episode:Rachel’s websiteFind Rachel on social media:Instagram: @rachelpiehjonesFacebookTwitter: @rachelpiehjonesRachel’s book: Pillars: How Muslim Friends led me Closer to Jesus: On Bookshop.org | On AmazonRachel’s book: Stronger than Death: How Annalena Tonelli Defied Terror and Tuberculosis in the Horn of Africa: On Bookshop.org | On Amazon Justin, Stephen, and Rachel discuss household help in more detail, on Patreon (for subscribers).About Rachel Pieh JonesRachel Pieh JonesRachel Pieh Jones moved to Somaliland in 2003 and has lived in Djibouti since 2004. She and her husband run a school in Djibouti and she writes about life at the crossroads of faith and culture. Her work has appeared in the New York Times, Christianity Today, Runners World, and more. Her writing is influenced by living in the Horn of Africa, raising Third Culture Kids, and adventurous exploration of the natural world. She is the author of Stronger than Death: How Annalena Tonelli Defied Terror and Tuberculosis in the Horn of Africa and her newest book, just out in April is Pillars: How Muslim Friends Led Me Closer to Jesus.Credits: Regular Theme Music by Josiah Enns. This episode was recorded on the land of the Wahpekute, Anishinabewaki, and the Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux).We may receive commission from Amazon or Bookshop.org for purchases made through some of our links. Those commissions do not reduce authors’ royalties. Thank you for your support.

Taja Will (pronouns Taja/they) is a queer, Latinx (Chilean) adoptee, performer, choreographer, somatic therapist and Healing Justice practitioner based in the Twin Cities (MN), on the stolen and  occupied Dakota lands of Wahpekute and Anishinabewaki. Taja’s approach integrates improvisation, somatic modalities, text and vocals in contemporary performance. Their aesthetic is one of spontaneity, bold choice making, sonic and kinetic partnership and the ability to move in relationship to risk and intimacy. Will’s work explores visceral connections to current socio-cultural realities through ritual, archetypes and everyday magic.Will’s work has been presented throughout the Twin Cities and across the United States. Including local performances at the Walker Art Center Choreographer’s Evening, the Red Eye Theater’s New Works 4 Weeks, the Radical Recess series, Right Here Showcase and the Candy Box Dance Festival. Will is the recipient of a 2018 McKnight Choreography Fellowship, administered by the Cowles Center and funded by The McKnight Foundation. Will has recently received support from the National Association of Latinx Arts & Culture, the Minnesota State Arts Board, Metropolitan Regional Arts Council, and was a finalist for Queer Art’s(NYC) Eva Yaa Grant for Queer Women(+) Dance Artists. As a performer Will has collaborated with Sara Shelton Mann, Rosy Simas Danse, Keith Hennessy, Aniccha Arts (Pramila Vasudevan), Deborah Jinza Thayer, Blake Nellis, Timmy Rehborg, Off Leash Area, Vanessa Voskuil, Body Cartography Project and Miguel Gutierrez among others. As an educator Will has been a guest teacher and adjunct faculty at several institutions across the United States, including University of Minnesota, Knox College, Hamline University, Zenon Dance School, Earthdance Creative Living, wcciJam, and the Lion’s Jaw Festival. Taja maintains a dynamic Healing Justice practice that includes consulting with individuals, organizations, and communities in the context of workshops, conflict mediation, one-on-one somatic healing sessions, nervous system triage, board development and organizational cultural competency, and individual coaching on unwinding from white body supremacy culture. They ground their work in indigenous solidarity and decolonization as a means to undo white body supremacy and it’s pervasive relationship to capitalism, Taja is committed to working for healing and liberation of Black, Indigenous and people of color. They have recently accepted the position of Equity & Justice Coordinator at Earthdance Creative Living, an artist retreat center in Western Massachusetts, on the ancestral lands of the Agawams, Pocumtuc, Nipmuck and Wabanaki Confederacy.Taja Will goes by "Taja/they" pronouns. In our interview, you may note the error by host Mathew in referring to Taja as "she" during the middle of the interview. Mathew acknowledges and is sorry for this error. Upon conversation and reflection, Mathew and ARENA DANCES have taken this opportunity to learn more about supporting non-binary folks.