Over the Lege, The Live Podcast!

Find out more about Rep. Josey Garcia here.  all the podcasts.our FB pageour website.our Youtube channel.our patreon.our Twitter.our Insta.Our TikTok.Our Reddit.Our newsletter signupCome see our live show! October 11-13th, 2024 at the Scottish Rite Theater in Austin, Texas. .

The live show is a little different from the podcast. The first act is sketches and musical numbers, while the second act includes a late night show interview with a legislative celebrity guest. Guests:Friday, Oct 11 - State Representatives Lulu Flores, Vikki Goodwin and Donna Howard.Saturday, Oct 12 - Pastor Jim RigbySunday, Oct 13 - Senator Wendy DavisTickets:Tickets available at bit.ly/OTLPART7. $25 General Admission.$15 Student with valid ID.Sponsorships available.  all the podcasts.our FB pageour website.our Youtube channel.our patreon.our Twitter.our Insta.Our TikTok.Our Reddit.Our newsletter signupCome see our live show! October 11-13th, 2024 at the Scottish Rite Theater in Austin, Texas. .

Charlie Bonner is a youth voting rights advocate and communications professional working to engage a new generation of civic leaders. A graduate of the University of Texas at Austin, Charlie majored in government and Plan II Honors where his thesis, A Republic If You Can Jeep It, was awarded the Lois Baird Trice Prize for Creative Scholarship after he drove 10,000 miles across the country to interview strangers about democracy. Currently, Charlie runs state-wide communications and outreach at MOVE Texas, a non-partisan non-profit dedicated to empowering young people in civic life and tearing down barriers to the ballot box. As a spokesperson for the voting rights movement, he frequently appears in local and national outlets including The Texas Tribune, The New York Times, National Geographic, CNN, and MSNBC. Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Dave Ronn & Kirsten AndersonSpecial Guest: Charlie BonnerAnnouncer: Jasmine OwenPodcast Editor: Tom BookerWriters:Stephanie Chiarello, Amy K. all the podcasts.our FB pageour website.our Youtube channel.our patreon.our Twitter.our Insta.Our TikTok.Our Reddit.Our newsletter signupCome see our live show! October 11-13th, 2024 at the Scottish Rite Theater in Austin, Texas. .

Host: Stephanie ChiarelloGuests: Amy Lowrey, Aaron Salinas all the podcasts.our FB pageour website.our Youtube channel.our patreon. our Twitter.our Insta.Our TikTok. Our Reddit.Our newsletter signup.

Cast:Host: Stephanie Chiarello, Comedians: Aaron Salinas, Carolyn Kelleher, Announcer: Amy LowreySpecial Guest: State Rep. Gene Wu  Writers:Stephanie C., Amy K., Carolyn KelleherShow Notes:Patreon link: https://www.patreon.com/overthelegeGene Wu on Twitter - https://twitter.com/GeneforTexasGene Wu on Reddit - https://www.reddit.com/user/GeneforTexas/ all the podcasts.our FB pageour website.our Youtube channel.our patreon. our Twitter.our Insta.Our TikTok. Our Reddit.Our newsletter signup.

Cast:Host: Stephanie Chiarello, Announcer: Amy LowreyComedians: Linzy Beltran, Grace JamesSpecial Guest: Aimee from High SchoolWriters:Stephanie C., Amy K., Shawn Fernando, Joe Green, Carolyn KelleherShow Notes:Patreon link: https://www.patreon.com/overthelege  all the podcasts.our FB pageour website.our Youtube channel.our patreon. our Twitter.our Insta.Our TikTok. Our Reddit.Our newsletter signup.

Host: Stephanie ChiarelloGuest: Dr. James Henson (https://liberalarts.utexas.edu/government/faculty/hensonjr)Show Notes:  What are the origins of using the color red for republicans and blue for democrats? Find out here - https://www.npr.org/2014/11/13/363762677/the-color-of-politics-how-did-red-and-blue-states-come-to-be. Register to Vote in Texas: https://www.votetexas.gov/register-to-vote/update-voter-registration.htmlSupport our Work - become a patron at patreon.  all the podcasts.our FB pageour website.our Youtube channel.our patreon. our  Twitter.our  Insta.Our TikTok. Our Reddit.Our  newsletter signup.    all the podcasts.our FB pageour website.our Youtube channel.our patreon. our Twitter.our Insta.Our TikTok. Our Reddit.Our newsletter signup.

Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Mitch Mills, Dev  Special Guest: Senator Sarah EckhardtAnnouncer: Carson Quinn Writers:Stephanie C.Shawn FernandoJoe GreenAmy K.  Carolyn Kelleher Show Notes:Patreon link: https://www.patreon.com/overthelegeState Senator Sarah Eckhardt - https://senate.texas.gov/member.php?d=14 all the podcasts.our FB pageour website.our Youtube channel.our patreon. our Twitter.our Insta.Our TikTok. Our Reddit.Our newsletter signup.

Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Aaron Salinas, Paige BurnettSpecial Guest: Mayor Kirk WatsonAnnouncer: Amy LowreyWriters:Stephanie C., Shawn Fernando, Joe Green, Amy K., Carolyn Kelleher Show Notes:Patreon link: https://www.patreon.com/overthelegeAmplify Austin link: https://www.amplifyatx.org/campaigns/over-the-lege-2024 all the podcasts.our FB pageour website.our Youtube channel.our patreon. our Twitter.our Insta.Our TikTok. Our Reddit.Our newsletter signup.

Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Aaron Salinas, Bryn WrightSpecial Guest: State Rep. Salman BhojaniAnnouncer: Amy Lowrey Writers:Stephanie C.Shawn FernandoJoe GreenAmy K.  Carolyn Kelleher Show Notes:Patreon link: https://www.patreon.com/overthelegehttps://www.house.texas.gov/members/member-page/?district=92https://www.bhojanifortexas.com/https://www.tiktok.com/@salmanbhojanitx  all the podcasts.our FB pageour website.our Youtube channel.our patreon. our Twitter.our Insta.Our TikTok. Our Reddit.Our newsletter signup.

Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Aaron SalinasHayato DeSouzaSpecial Guest: Journalist John MoritzAnnouncer: Amy Lowrey Writers:Stephanie C.Shawn FernandoJoe GreenAmy K.  Carolyn Kelleher Show Notes:Patreon link: https://www.patreon.com/overthelege  all the podcasts.our FB pageour website.our Youtube channel.our patreon. our Twitter.our Insta.Our TikTok. Our Reddit.Our newsletter signup.

Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Tom Booker, Cameron La BrieSpecial Guest: Senator Roland GutierrezAnnouncer: Janet M.   Writers:Stephanie C.Shawn FernandoJoe GreenAmy K.  Show Notes:Patreon link: https://www.patreon.com/overthelegeRoland Gutierrez for U.S. Senate - https://rolandfortexas.com/  

Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Aaron Salinas, Patrick GallagherSpecial Guest: Samantha Singleton, Border Network for Human RightsAnnouncer: Amy Lowrey Writers:Stephanie C.Shawn FernandoJoe GreenAmy K.  Carolyn Kelleher Show Notes:Patreon link: https://www.patreon.com/overthelege

Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Aaron Salinas, Shawn FernandoSpecial Guest: Chas Moore, Austin Justice CoalitionAnnouncer: Tom Booker Writers:Stephanie C.Shawn FernandoJoe GreenAmy K.  Carolyn Kelleher Find Austin Justice Coalition at: https://austinjustice.org/ 

Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Aaron Salinas, Debbie OdetteSpecial Guest: Radney Foster, Texas LegendAnnouncer: Debbie OdetteWriters:Stephanie C.Amy K.  Show Notes:Patreon link: https://www.patreon.com/overthelegeFind Radney at: https://www.radneyfoster.com/

Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Mitch Mills, Valerie NiesSpecial Guest: James Canup, JOLT ActionAnnouncer: Jimmy SmolitchWriters:Stephanie C.Amy K.  Show Notes:JOLT ACTION: https://jolttx.org/OTL PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/overthelegeResearch Notes: https://www.privateschoolreview.com/texas/religiously-affiliated-schools https://anderson.austinschools.org/aboutus/mission https://www.brentwoodchristian.org/about/core-beliefs/  

Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Paul NormandinPatrick GallagherSpecial Guest: Emily Witt, TFNAnnouncer: Amy LowreyWriters:Stephanie C.Amy K. Producer:Stephanie C. Show Notes:Patreon link: https://www.patreon.com/overthelegeCheck if you're registered to vote: https://teamrv-mvp.sos.texas.gov/MVP/mvp.doTexas Freedom Network - https://tfn.org/Follow the Texas Legislature by signing up for a Texas Legislature Online (TLO) account: https://capitol.texas.gov/MnuMyTLO.aspx

Cast:Announcer - Stephanie ChiarelloJeff Leach - Aaron SalinasMichelle Smith - Amy LowreyMusic: Track: "Like the Movies", HUKUMusic provided by https://slip.streamFree Download / Stream: https://get.slip.stream/Lf0f3QTexts taken from Dallas Morning News Article - https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2023/07/26/exclusive-texts-show-lawmakers-were-pissed-off-at-ken-paxton-before-impeachment/ Follow the Texas Legislature at: https://capitol.texas.gov/ 

I sat down with my 11-year old niece, read her news headlines, and asked her what she thought. As the Chicks say, "our children are watching us, they put their trust in us, they want to be like us".

Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Aaron SalinasShawn FernandoSpecial Guest: Monty Exter, ATPE DirectorAnnouncer: Debbie Odette Writers:Stephanie C.Shawn FernandoJoe GreenAmy K.  Carolyn Kelleher Show Notes:Patreon link: https://www.patreon.com/overthelege 

Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Aaron Salinas, Sophia SpagnuoloSpecial Guest: Kristen Ylana, ED Women's Health CaucusAnnouncer: Amy Lowrey  Writers:Stephanie C.Shawn FernandoJoe GreenAmy K. Carolyn KelleherPatreon link: https://www.patreon.com/overthelegeWomen's Health Caucus: https://www.txwomenshealth.com/All things Texas Lege #txlege: https://capitol.texas.gov/

Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Aaron SalinasMitch MillsSpecial Guest: Ash Hall, AdvocateAnnouncer: Amy Lowrey   Writers:Stephanie C.Shawn FernandoJoe GreenAmy K.   Show Notes:Patreon link: https://www.patreon.com/overthelege 

Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Aaron Salinas, Joe GreenSpecial Guest: State Rep. Venton JonesAnnouncer: Amy Lowrey   Writers:Amy K.  Stephanie C.Shawn FernandoJoe Green Show Notes:Patreon link: https://www.patreon.com/overthelegehttps://www.billboard.com/lists/best-karaoke-songs-all-time/  

Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Debbie Odette, Eric ThronsonSpecial Guest: Us!Announcer: Amy Lowrey  Writers:Stephanie C.Shawn FernandoJoe GreenEditor:Stephanie ChiarelloShow Notes:Patreon link: https://www.patreon.com/overthelege 

Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Aaron Salinas, Jason LevittSpecial Guest: Odus Evbaughanu, Chair of the Harris County Democratic PartyAnnouncer: Debbie OdetteWriters:Stephanie C., Amy K.Show Notes:Patreon link: https://www.patreon.com/overthelegeYoutube video - Get Chattr Today! Starring Debbie Odette and Stephanie Chiarello - https://youtu.be/XV7juysVWWs  

Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Aaron Salinas, Joy LinSpecial Guest: Josh Sanderson, Deputy  Executive Director of the Equity CenterAnnouncer: Amy Lowrey Writers:Stephanie C.Amy K. Producer:Stephanie C. Editors:Stephanie C.Aaron S.  Show Notes:Patreon link: https://www.patreon.com/overthelegeEquity Center: https://equitycenter.org/ Follow the Texas Legislature at: https://capitol.texas.gov/ Here are links to all the Over the Lege assets: all the podcasts.our FB pageour website.our Youtube channel.our patreon. our  Twitter.our  Insta.Our TikTok. Our Reddit.Our newsletter signup.  

STARRINGJohn Moritz - He's covered two major-party national conventions, three governors, five lieutenant governors, five House speakers and more mass shootings and executions than he cares to recall over the course of 14 legislative sessions and interims.The bulk of is time in Austin was spent with the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, but since 2016 John has been a Capitol correspondent for the USA Today Network where his stories regularly appear in about a dozen Texas newspapers and occasionally in the national publication. His political column runs on Page 2 of the Sunday in the print editions of the Austin American-Statesman and in sundry USA Today Network papers.Aaron Salinas - Aaron is a writer, actor, director and all around fun guy between the hours of 8-9 central time. He loves to share a laugh with folks almost as much as he loves to share a meal with them. A native Texan with a penchant for good times and good BBQ, if you can't find Aaron on Over The Lege, he's either at a storytelling show, or playing with his sweet pup, Mango. She'd love to meet you too.Paul Normandin - Paul is a large man with a big mouth who loves to tell stories to anyone who can't outrun him. Paul is an award winning storyteller, an improvisational comedian, actor, producer, and the Dean of the Merlin Works Institute for Improvisation. When not on a stage, in a classroom, or playing Ultimate Frisbee, Paul loves to go bicycle riding with one of his best friends.With announcer, Amy Lowrey, and host, Stephanie Chiarello. Games Played: Wrote or Wroten't and Bill or Bluff.Most KnowLEGEable Comedian: Edited by: Aaron Salinas and Stephanie Chiarello

Original air date December 21, 2021.  On this episode of The Over The Lege Podcast, the OTL Podcast Crew (Stephanie Chiarello, Aaron Salinas, and Amy Lowrey) are joined by Texas Agriculture Commissioner Candidate Susan Hays (https://www.hays4ag.com/) and Regular Guy and Longtime Friend Of Stephanie's Clay Parham!So listen, learn, and laugh!  Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Aaron Salinas & Clay ParhamSpecial Guest: Susan HaysAnnouncer: Amy LowreyPodcast Editor: Tom BookerWriters:Stephanie ChiarelloAmy K. 

Tickets at bit.ly/OTLP6ticketsShow dates:Friday, September 16th at 8:00 p.m.Saturday, September 17th at 8:00 p.m.Sunday, September 18th at 8:00 p.m.Special Guests:Senator Sarah Eckhardt - FridayRepresentative Gina Hinojosa - SaturdayRepresentative Erin Zwiener - Sunday

To celebrate Over The Lege returning to the stage at The Long Center in Austin, Texas September 15th - 17th,  we are re-posting our favorite episodes of the Over The Lege LIVE podcast!  So today we are reposting Episode 8 from Season 1 of The Over The Lege LIVE! podcast, which was first posted way back in the early days of the pandemic shutdown on May 19, 2020. Enjoy!Head over to our website at www.OverTheLege.com and sign up to be notified as soon as tickets for Over The Lege Part 6 goes on sale!  Cast:Announcer/Game Master: Katie ChristonHost: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Aaron Salinas and Shana MerlinSpecial Guest: Bruce ElfantSound Engineer: Myrriah GossettWriters:Amy K.Carson Q.Ross T.Stephanie C.Intern:Brahvan RanganathanPSA: Happy 49th Anniversary to Stephanie's parents. She's glad to have been there for 51 years of their relationship.  (Note: Their 49th Anniversary was on May 19, 2020, so if you do the math, as of the date of this posting, the Chiarellos have now been happily married for more than 51 years!)

This is the Season 3 Finale of The Over The Lege LIVE! Podcast! So we're pulling out all of the stops! Not only do we have two guests like we regularly do (this week we have Youth Voting Right Advocate Charlie Bonner and Austin Stand Up Comedian  Kirsten Anderson) we also have two special guests taking the place of our regular guests! The part of Aaron Salinas, our regular cast funny man, is being played by Actor/Musician! And the part of our announcer, Amy Lowry, is being played by  Jasmine Owen, a Legislative Insider at the Texas House Of Representatives!  And, don't worry, Stephanie Chiarello has not been replaced. She is, as always, the host of this episode! Yay!So sit back, learn, and laugh! Charlie Bonner is a youth voting rights advocate and communications professional working to engage a new generation of civic leaders. A graduate of the University of Texas at Austin, Charlie majored in government and Plan II Honors where his thesis, A Republic If You Can Jeep It, was awarded the Lois Baird Trice Prize for Creative Scholarship after he drove 10,000 miles across the country to interview strangers about democracy. Currently, Charlie runs state-wide communications and outreach at MOVE Texas, a non-partisan non-profit dedicated to empowering young people in civic life and tearing down barriers to the ballot box. As a spokesperson for the voting rights movement, he frequently appears in local and national outlets including The Texas Tribune, The New York Times, National Geographic, CNN, and MSNBC.  Kirsten Anderson is a ten-year resident of Austin and the mother of Edwin Muffins, a geriatric terrier. While newer to the city's stand-up scene, her jokes have been prominently featured in the office, not the sitcom, just her actual office for many years. Speaking of work, fun fact: as a child, she wanted to be a political talk radio host! Well, today, we've made it! You can follow her at KirstenAnderson_comedy. Dave Ronn is an improviser, musician, and actor from Austin, TX. He's technically on Instagram and Twitter, but he doesn't use them, and he likes taking walks around the neighborhood. Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Dave Ronn & Kirsten AndersonSpecial Guest: Charlie BonnerAnnouncer: Jasmine OwenPodcast Editor: Tom BookerWriters:Stephanie Chiarello, Amy K.

Why is tonight different from all other nights? Because Stephanie Chiarello, Aaron Salinas, and Amy Lowry recorded this podcast episode on Passover! And the were joined by two very special guests - Texas State Representative Erin Zwiener and Austin Area Funny Man Jeremy Lamb!   Rep. Erin Zwiener holds a Bachelor of Science in Natural Resource Conservation, a Master of Fine Arts in Creative Writing, and is a three-time Jeopardy! Champion.Rep. Zwiener serves on the House Committees on Public Health, House Administration, and Appropriations, where she is the Vice-Chair of the Subcommittee on Article III (Education). She is a member of the House Democratic Caucus, LGBTQ Caucus, Criminal Justice Reform Caucus, Women's Health Caucus, and IT Caucus. In January of 2021, Rep. Zwiener established the Caucus on Climate, Environment, and the Energy Industry and currently serves as its Chair.She lives in Driftwood with her husband Quincy, daughter Lark, a dog, three horses, a mule, a pony, a pig, and too many chickens. Jeremy Sweetlamb is a lifelong student, director, actor, teacher, promoter, producer, and defender of improvised theatre.For 25 years he has lived and trained in Chicago, LA, and New York before returning to his native Austin, TX. He has recorded a comedy album: 'Beardedlamb Sings Along to the Urban Cowboy Motion Picture Soundtrack.' He has performed with Bill Hader and Bob Odenkirk at the Just for Laughs festival in Montreal.Jeremy started one of the biggest comedy festivals in the country in Out of Bounds. He continues to embrace failure gracefully by teaching middle school theatre and trying to be a good partner and Dad to two lil bitties.Champion,theyCast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Aaron Salinas & Jeremy SweetlambSpecial Guest: Rep. Erin ZwienerAnnouncer: Amy LowreyPodcast Editor: Tom BookerWriters:Stephanie Chiarello, Amy K.

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On this episode of The Over The Lege Podcast, OTL Podcast Crew Regulars Stephanie Chiarello and Amy Lowrey are joined by OTL Podcast Alum Warren Pacheco. And they are joined by Texas State Senator Carol Alvarado and Author/Poet/Teacher Sean Petrie! So listen, learn, and laugh!  Sen. Carol Alvarado is proud to serve Texas Senate District 6 in Harris County. She was first elected to the Texas State Senate in a 2018 Special Election.  She was first elected to the Texas House of Representatives in 2008 and served five terms representing District 145. Now in her second term serving in the Texas Senate, Carol is Vice-Chair of the Senate Select Committee on Ports and a member of the Senate Committees on Administration, Natural Resources and Economic Development, Nominations, Transportation, and the Special Committee on Redistricting. Carol's primary legislative focus has been on economic development, public health, and public education. She has championed legislation to strengthen our state's workforce, regulate the use of e-cigarettes for children, and criminal justice reform. Carol is an advocate for women's health and reproductive rights and has passed legislation to assist victims of sexual abuse. As a member of the Houston City Council from 2002 to 2008, Carol led the effort to make restaurants smoke-free, stopped the shipping of more hazardous chemicals through our neighborhoods, and had air quality monitors installed in neighborhoods near chemical plants. Carol is a native Houstonian and a longtime resident of Houston's East End. She holds a Master of Business Administration and a Bachelor of Arts degree in Political Science from the University of Houston and is a member of St. Alphonsus Catholic Church. Sean Petrie is an author and award-winning poet. As a founder of Austin's Typewriter Rodeo, he has written over 20,000 poems for strangers all across the country. His poetry books include Typewriter Rodeo, Listen to the Trees, and his latest, an art-poetry collaboration titled Pet Poems (also not just pets).He also has multiple fiction and non-fiction books for kids and teaches legal writing at the University of Texas School of Law. More at SeanPetrie.com Warren Pacheco is an actor, comedian, and agent of the dark lord based in Los Angeles, California. When taking a break from being poor, he enjoys long walks on the beach, foreign films and being a rapturous beauty. Warren is best known for his breakout roles as Gay #3 and Bitchy Receptionist..Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Warren Pacheco & Sean PetrieSpecial Guest: Sen. Carol AlvaradoAnnouncer: Amy LowreyPodcast Editor: Tom BookerWriters:Stephanie Chiarello, Amy K.

On this episode of The Over The Lege Podcast, the OTL Podcast Crew (Stephanie Chiarello, Aaron Salinas, and Amy Lowrey) are joined by Author/Storyteller/Communication Strategist Jason Stanford and Writer/OTL Cast Member/Political Strategist Joe Green.So listen, learn, and laugh! Jason Stanford is a writer whose bylines have appeared in Texas Monthly, the Texas Tribune, Texas Highways, the Texas Observer, as well as many publications that have nothing whatsoever to do with Texas. Jason also publishes a Substack newsletter called The Experiment.The former communications director for Austin Mayor Steve Adler, in 2018 he was named by Austin Monthly “Best Man Behind the Curtain." A former political consultant, Stanford often contributed to the Austin American-Statesman, Politico Magazine, Talking Points Memo, and MSNBC. From 2011 to 2015, he was a nationally syndicated columnist. During this time, he co-wrote with James Moore "Adios, Mofo: Why Rick Perry Will Make America Miss George W. Bush."Stanford majored in Russian at Lewis & Clark College which led in 1992 to editing the Moscow Guardian, an English-language expatriate tabloid and working as a researcher for the Los Angeles Times bureau. Joe Green is a Texas native, since graduating with a degree in mass communication, Joe has worked with a variety of Democratic campaigns in both Texas and Louisiana. He has run digital programs for Democratic candidates and The Louisiana Democratic Party.Aside from politics, Joe is an amateur BBQ enthusiast smoking meats on the weekends.Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Aaron Salinas & Joe GreenSpecial Guest: Jason StanfordAnnouncer: Amy LowreyPodcast Editor: Tom BookerWriters:Stephanie Chiarello, Amy K.

On this episode of The Over The Lege Podcast, the OTL Podcast Crew (Stephanie Chiarello, Aaron Salinas, and Amy Lowrey) are joined by Pastor/Author/Mystic Activist Rev. Amelia Fulbright and Happy Sad Clown/OTL Cast Member Sandra Ybarra!So listen, learn, and laugh!  The Rev. Amelia Fulbright is a pastor, author, and mystic-activist living in Austin, TX. She currently pastors the Congregational Church of Austin and advocates persistently for reproductive justice and LGBTQ+ rights (in Texas, no less!). Amelia writes on a variety of theology and justice-related topics, and her sermons, Op-eds, and essays have been published by outlets including Rewire, The Houston Chronicle, and Progressive Southern Theologians. Most recently, her faithfully pro-choice advocacy was featured by The Cut, The Texas Standard, and Zerlina On Peacock. She is the 2021 recipient of Texas Freedom Network's Faith and Justice Award.  When she is not pastoring or writing, Amelia makes a life with her spouse, Jonathan, and their two young children. She has survived the pandemic with a queue of good podcasts, biweekly therapy, cold brew in the morning, and an occasional glass of dry Prosecco."   Sandra Ybarra is a workaholic, and a mix of happy/sad improviser, comedian, and clown. Pre-pandemic, Sandra had performed in various improv festivals around the country with comedy troupe Shades of Brown and comedic duo Butter.Sandra's hobbies include drinking coffee with a sweet dessert over a nice chat with friends, eating nachos while watching Love is Blind, and pondering her love/hate relationship with bread.  Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Aaron Salinas & Sandra YbarraSpecial Guest: Rev. Amelia FulbrightAnnouncer: Amy LowreyPodcast Editor: Tom BookerWriters:Stephanie Chiarello, Amy McKay

On this episode of The Over The Lege Podcast, the OTL Podcast Crew (Stephanie Chiarello, Aaron Salinas, and Amy Lowrey) are joined by 201st District Court Judge Amy Clark Meachum and Funny Man/Professional Hugger Paul Normandin. Here comes the judge, and here come the hugs!So listen, learn, and laugh!  Judge Amy Clark Meachum was elected in November 2010 and began presiding over the 201stDistrict Court in January 2011. She was formerly a litigation partner with the Austin-based law firm of McGinnis, Lochridge & Kilgore LLP. She graduated magna cum laude from Southern Methodist University with degrees in political science and journalism and graduated from the University of Texas School of Law with honors.  She is passionate about children's literacy and currently serves on the board of the local nonprofit, Bookspring. She and her husband Kurt have three children and live in Northwest Austin. Paul Normandin is a large man with a big mouth who loves to tell stories to anyone who can't outrun him. Paul learned to tell stories from the loving feedback of other people's children.Paul is an accomplished StorySlam champion. Winner of the 2017 Tejas Festival StorySlam. He is a producer and occasional performer at the Austin storytelling show, Testify. Paul has performed on the RISK! Live show twice in Austin and around the country at Cafe Improv in Princeton, New Jersey, and any Moth StorySlam he can get in. Paul is also the 2016 Houston Moth GrandSlam Champion.Paul is a father, husband, and a survivor of 13 years of teaching Sunday School at University United Methodist Church in Austin. He's also a former US Army Infantry soldier, founder of Austin Free Hug Day, and co-founder and former president of Austin's Ultimate (Frisbee) Players League.  Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Aaron Salinas & Paul NormandinSpecial Guest: Amy Carter MeachumAnnouncer: Amy LowreyPodcast Editor: Tom BookerWriters:Stephanie Chiarello, Amy McKay

On this episode of The Over The Lege Podcast, the OTL Podcast Crew (Stephanie Chiarello, Aaron Salinas, and Amy Lowrey) are joined by Journalist Scott Braddock and Comedian/Podcaster Ivy Le!So listen, learn, and laugh! Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Aaron Salinas & Ivy LeAnnouncer: Amy LowreyPodcast Editor: Tom BookerWriters:Stephanie ChiarelloGuests:Scott Braddock is a journalist and political analyst based in Austin, Texas. He covers the Texas Legislature and politics in the Lone Star State by working with Austin legend Harvey Kronberg to produce the most successful political newsletter in Texas: The Quorum Report. In January of 2015, Scott became Quorum Report Editor as Mr. Kronberg assumed the role of Publisher and CEO.Scott served as the chief political reporter for the two biggest radio news operations in Texas: Newsradio 1080 KRLD in Dallas and Newsradio 740 KTRH in Houston. He has been honored with Edward R. Murrow and AP awards for investigative journalism and received recognition for excellence and fairness in political reporting from members of Texas' Congressional delegation. www.ScottBraddock.com Ivy Le is a Vietnamese American comedian and writer based in Austin, Texas. She is the host and creator of the Spotify podcast FOGO: Fear of Going Outside, a nature show by the most reluctant host ever.Ivy is a first-generation college grad and first-generation American. She speaks Spanish, German, Vietnamese, and English. She's a bi mom of two kids, and since she can't safely throw parties right now, she's using her spare time to teach young queer people how to drink wine and seduce women.She has performed at Bedpost Confessions, Coldtowne Theatre, the Decatur Book Festival, Kollaboration, and more! Ivy is seeking representation as a writer, a comic, and an actress. www.IvyLeWithOneE.com 

This is our second bonus episode of Over the Lege. We're calling the series "Under The Lege," and we're going to do some deep dives into moments of Texas State Legislature Lore that come up during our Over The Lege Podcast episodes. In this episode of "Under The Lege," Stephanie Chiarello speaks with Cynthia Van Maanen, the Executive Director of The Travis County Democratic Party (https://www.traviscountydemocrats.org/) about the confusion over mail-in ballot applications caused by the passage of SB 1, and what you can do to make sure that  your request for a mail-in ballot will be accepted.  

On this episode of The Over The Lege Podcast, the OTL Podcast Crew (Stephanie Chiarello, Aaron Salinas, and Amy Lowrey) are joined by Texas State Representative Gene Wu, and Austin Comedian Katie Felton! So listen, learn, and laugh! Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Aaron Salinas & Katie FeltonAnnouncer: Amy LowreyPodcast Editor: Tom BookerWriters:Stephanie Chiarello, Amy K. Guests:Gene Wu is the Texas State Representative for District 137 in Houston. Raised in Sharpstown, State Representative Gene Wu has been active in improving his community. Gene has devoted countless hours tutoring at-risk youth in programs at Sharpstown High School, mentoring adults in the Skills for Living program, and conducting monthly workshops for residents seeking US citizenship. www.GeneForTexas.comKatie Felton is a fresh-faced, although not fresh in age, stand-up comedian from Austin, Texas. She has been doing comedy coming up on 3 years and performs all around town at theaters, coffee shops and breweries. When she is not doing comedy she is stuffing her face with chips and queso while catching her friends up on the latest housewife drama. Follow her on Instagram @k8efelts to see her next stand-up dates and desperate attempts to stay young by doing TikTok dances.Adoption / Foster ResourcesSearch for children waiting for adoption:https://www.dfps.state.tx.us/application/tare/search.aspx/childrenhttps://heartgallerytexas.com/https://www.dfps.state.tx.us/application/tare/home.aspx/defaultFoster Care:https://www.dfps.state.tx.us/Child_Protection/Foster_Care/default.asp Problems with DFPS / CPS in Texas:https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/news/2022/01/21/judge-blasts-state-officials-over-conditions-for-texas-foster-kids-sent-out-of-statehttps://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2022/01/10/to-ease-texas-foster-care-crisis-experts-say-mental-health-addiction-services-needed/https://www.texastribune.org/2022/01/12/texas-foster-care-system-fines/  

On this episode of The Over The Lege Podcast, the OTL Podcast Crew (Stephanie Chiarello, Aaron Salinas, and Amy Lowrey) are joined by Carrie Collier-Brown, the Co-Founder and Chair of Texas Blue Action Democrats, and Dana Yanoshak, an Austin area performer and artist and a longtime member of the Over The Lege Live Show Cast.So listen, learn, and laugh! Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Aaron Salinas & Clay ParhamSpecial Guest: Susan HaysAnnouncer: Amy LowreyPodcast Editor: Tom BookerWriters:Stephanie ChiarelloGuests:Carrie Collier-Brown is co-founder & chair of Texas Blue Action Democrats (www.blueactiondems.com), a neighborhood-based network mobilizing progressive suburban voters in Texas. Since starting in January 2018 in SW Austin, Blue Action has raised over $150,000 and trained over 400 volunteers in two years. Carrie also co-hosts the "Left In Texas" podcast and is a member of Planned Parenthood's Austin Community Board. Carrie is Senior Counsel with Locke Lord LLP, with 20 years of experience in energy regulatory law & policy.Dana Yanoshak has been a cast member of Over The Lege for years. She is a Comedian, Actor, Model, Voice Actor, Queer Artist, and Healthcare Worker. She can heal your body through physical therapy, and she can heal your soul through laughter!

On this episode of The Over The Lege Podcast, the OTL Podcast Crew (Stephanie Chiarello, Aaron Salinas, and Amy Lowrey) are joined by Texas Agriculture Commissioner Candidate Susan Hays (https://www.hays4ag.com/) and Regular Guy and Longtime Friend Of Stephanie's Clay Parham!So listen, learn, and laugh!  Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Aaron Salinas & Clay ParhamSpecial Guest: Susan HaysAnnouncer: Amy LowreyPodcast Editor: Tom BookerWriters:Stephanie Chiarello

This is our first bonus episode of Over the Lege - we're calling the series "Under The Lege" and we're going to do some deep dives into moments of Texas State Legislature Lore that come up during our Over The Lege Podcast episodes. In the second podcast episode of this season with legislative guest Andy Cates on October 29th, we briefly mentioned that there had been a fire in the Lt. Governor's apartment back in the 1980s. So Stephanie Chiarello decided to do some research on the fire and report her findings back to you. Enjoy!The official story can be found at these links:https://www.nytimes.com/1983/02/07/us/around-the-nation-fire-kills-a-guest-in-the-texas-capitol.htmlhttps://www.kut.org/austin/2015-02-04/wayback-wednesday-the-capitol-fire-of-1983https://tspb.texas.gov/prop/tc/tc-history/restoration/index.htmlThe "Only Murders in the Building" version of the story was found at the blog: "Babylon On The Colorado" - Posted on the blog, Texas Mostly, on May 6, 2019Every fifteen minutes of the day a tour begins on the first floor of the Capitol. The guides are mostly fresh-scrubbed college students, young women in identical skirts and white blouses, and the young men in button-down shirts with conservative striped ties. They begin at the south foyer offering visitors a view of the flags carved in the marble floor representing the six countries that have, at one time or another, ruled Texas. It's the original granite-faced big house, completed in 1888, by prison labor and Scottish stonemasons, paid for by a swap of 3,000,000 acres of public land in West Texas – an area twice the size of Delaware – that remains the soul of the state.            From the rotunda, the guide leads the way to the Senate floor. When the Legislature is not in session, tourists oooh and aaah over the paintings of heroes and ask more questions. Except for the velour ropes and portraits of dead white men on the walls the Senate chamber has the feel of a bordello parlour. The tour leaders were previously warned by the Preservation Board, responsible for the Capitol's maintenance, “Do not add material or stories to your tour that are not in your packet. If someone asks you a question that you don't have information on, tell them to stop by our office after the tour and we will try to answer it." Nowadays a little adlibbing is permitted. Invariably it's in the back of the mind of any Texan of a certain age that a fire took place on the Senate side – a very destructive fire in which someone died. The occasional tourist may even know that the fire led to the renovation of the capital and eventually, in a sense, to the creation of the extension. “Wasn't it something about an apartment?” visitors may ask, referring to the origin of the blaze. It was so long ago that details only buzz vaguely in the back of minds, as a sense more than a concrete knowing.            If the visitor asks how the fire started the official story is that a television set shorted out in what was then the Lieutenant Governor's apartment behind the Senate floor. Specifically, it was a Zenith TV although that's not mentioned. The set originally cost $425 and had a “self-extinguishing cabinet,” which isn't mentioned either, yet it spontaneously melted down and almost took the soul of Texas with it.            That's the official story.            It has survived three decades, but in recent years old evidence that was obscured has come to light – and a key witness spoke a few words before dying. Both contradicted the official explanation. The official story of the Capitol fire now appears to be exactly what it is, a complete fabrication told to protect a very powerful political family – a family that has included a governor and lieutenant governor and once defined the Texas establishment the way the Bushes now do.Actually, two people died in the fire. One of the victims of the Capitol fire was a 23-year-old horse trainer from a barn in New Caney, outside Houston, who succumbed to smoke inhalation on February 6, 1983, in a bedroom of the then-Lieutenant Governor Hobbyr's then-apartment, behind the Senate chamber. The other was a Capitol policeman who breathed his last breath after a minor car accident in Guanajuato, down on Mexico's central plateau, a year later.Those are the latest two victims of the Texas myth – or in this case the Texas lie. February 5, 1983: The 68th session of the Legislature had just begun and Lt. Gov William P. Hobby was in town, staying at a duplex he shared with his wife a few blocks from the Capitol, as was the Hobbys' custom. There were two apartments in the Capitol then, dating from the days when the legislative leadership only came to Austin for the legislative session, every two years. The Hobbys preferred to use their state quarters (consisting of four bedrooms, a kitchen, dining room, a den, and four baths) as a guesthouse for out-of-town visitors. (The other apartment is on the second floor on the west side and belongs to the Speaker.) Kate Pettus Hobby, a high school senior at St. John's in Houston, and a couple named Waterman, owners of the stable where Miss Hobby was a rider, and Mathew Hansen, her instructor, were all in town that day for the Texas Riding and Hunting Association banquet at the Driskill Hotel where Miss Hobby was to receive an award. She and her party stayed in the Capitol apartment. A dance followed the awards banquet and Kate Hobby and Matt Hansen left at two in the morning, driven the few blocks from the hotel by an older Hobby sibling, Andrew, who did not stay. In the apartment the Watermans, who were in their mid-30s, were already asleep. Kate Hobby poured a glass of juice for herself and a coke for Matt Hansen, she recalled in her official statement, and the two sat eating Fritos on the couch in the den where the fire started. Kate stayed with Matt Hansen a few minutes, she said to investigators the next day, and then went to bed. When last seen alive by Kate Hobby, Matt Hansen – who had been drinking all night – was stretched out on the couch, smoking cigarettes and watching Music TV.Two hours later Kate and the Watermans were awakened by smoke and noise, according to the official account, as glass and wood cracked in the flames. Heat detectors designed to sound an alarm in the security office on the Capitol's first floor summoned police. Officer Joel Quintanilla had been on patrol on the grounds outside and was called in, raced upstairs, and heard Hansen beating on the walls of the apartment but the smoke was too much to penetrate. Quintanilla was burned on his hands, arms, and face, as his lungs filled with soot. The Watermans and Kate Hobby escaped but firemen found the riding instructor dressed only in pants and socks, lying between the twin beds in a guest room. That's the official line. “This particular [television] set, we can prove that it was defective and that it caught fire and damaged the Capitol,” Attorney General Jim Mattox said following a legal settlement under which Zenith agreed to pay $600,000 to the Hansen family, $300,000 to Quintanilla's survivors and $1.3 million to the State of Texas for repairs to the then 95-year-old red granite building.“We got ninety or ninety-five percent of what we wanted,” Mattox told the press.From the beginning, there were doubts about this account of events, related to both the progression of the fire and its cause. First, the timing did not make sense. Capitol security officers clocked the smoke detectors' alarm at 5:25 in the morning and the fire department was alerted at 5:33. Yet every physical indication was that the blaze had begun much earlier with Officer Quintanilla testifying that he had been called in from patrol on a report of smoke at 5 a.m. Acting Chief Brady Pool who led firefighters that morning was the first to hint that something was not right.“Anybody who was in the business, any professional,” he said later in an interview, “could tell that the fire had been burning for a while before we got there. It hadn't just started five minutes before [the alarm] was turned in.” He cited as an example a hot-water heater, normally in position in one of the false ceilings above the den. The first firemen to enter the apartment found the heater on the floor – the whole ceiling had already burned away. Chief Pool first thought the cause was electrical, sparks from a short circuit – the usual house-fire kind of thing—just on a bigger scale. At first the trauma of the fire itself trumped the search for a cause. It was a mind boggling scene that dawn at the north end of Congress Avenue downtown. Mark White, sworn in as governor the month before, walked over from the Mansion and was put to work dragging water hoses. The first firemen to arrive called in a second alarm and a third was turned in almost an hour later. At one point the governor, lieutenant governor, secretary of state, mayor and city manager were all on the scene together with 100 firemen and at the height of the fire Chief Pool informed Governor White that he needed to be prepared to give the order to abandon the building. Almost a century earlier the first Texas Capitol also burned down – no one could believe it was happening again.Eventually, the flames were “knocked down,” as firefighters like to say, before reaching the Senate chamber. In addition to Mathew Hansen who was already dead when he was dragged from the apartment, three Capitol police officers and eight firefighters were also injured.Early that same morning, not long after the first alarm, city fire investigators were already on their way to the scene. As they drove along Festival Beach Road looking north they saw smoke a mile away, rising from the most prominent building in Texas, including the Alamo. The State Fire Marshal's people began arriving too. The city and state investigators had joint jurisdiction – or so they thought. Because of the nature of the damage, the origin of the fire was quickly narrowed down to the den of Governor Hobby's apartment. Malcolm Light, the city's chief arson investigator, focused first on the two likeliest causes. “In this fire, like most where damage is particularly severe,” he wrote in his notes, showing particular literary care in what was likely to be a highly scrutinized investigation, “determination of the exact point of origin is extremely difficult.“Barring any unexpected event in the investigation, there appear to be only two possibilities regarding fire cause. Either a fault or shorting occurred in an electrical conductor in the vicinity of the northwest corner [of the lieutenant governor's den] resulting in the fire, or the fire was initiated by a carelessly discarded cigarette or smoking materials.”In the northwest corner of the den there was a television on a shelf, near bookcases, and an easy chair. “During excavation operations in the room of origin,” Chief Light wrote, “remains of a television were recovered from the northwest quadrant of the room along with remnants of electrical conductors. What appeared to be the operating cord to the television was recovered intact with no evidence of faults or melting.” A piece of unidentified electrical wire was found nearby with blisters indicating a short. A short can cause a fire – but a fire can also cause a short.   Officer Quintanilla was interviewed in Brackenridge Hospital where he was in intensive care. He had joined two other Capitol policemen on the first floor of the east wing that unhappy morning when he came in from patrol, and from his hospital bed Officer Quintanilla told Chief Light, “The three of us ran to the elevator. As soon as we got off the elevator, we looked down and we could see smoke coming from the door leading to the den.” They entered the apartment, and down the hall Quintanilla could hear someone shouting, “Help me, get me out.” Quintanilla moved toward the den where the door was still closed. Seen from another perspective, one of the other officers explained how Joel Quintanilla made a fatal mistake. “Officer Spinks told [Officer Quintanilla] that the fire and smoke were too bad and for him not to open the door; however, at that minute, Quintanilla kicked the door and the door exploded open onto Officer Quintanilla. The hallway was immediately filled with smoke and fire, all the lights went out and we were unable to see anything.”In that half-second peek inside the den, which he would eventually pay for with his life, Joel Quintanilla said he saw fire to the left ("Fire, man," he said specifically, in his formal interview, after being asked what he saw, "and lots of smoke") in the northwest corner near the television, and also straight ahead, to the east, on the sofa.Subsequent examination would determine odd burn patterns on the sofa itself.In a house in North Austin an old man sat two decades later with his wife and reminisced. This former public official held two major positions in his life, both related to the detection and prevention of fire. For the last fifteen years of his professional career Ernest Emerson was Fire Marshal of Texas.On the morning of February 9, three days after the Capitol fire, Marshal Emerson was on a “walk-through” of the ruins of the east end of the building with other state officials, he said, including Attorney General Jim Mattox. The cleanup had already begun and Chief Light and Emerson's investigators were trying to determine a cause. As the tour ended Mattox asked the Fire Marshal to stay for a moment. “I accompanied Mr. Mattox and his group on the tour and remained behind, at Mr. Mattox's request,” Emerson included in his notes written at the time, which can be found in state archives, “for a short discussion concerning the matter of overlapping jurisdiction and the need to coordinate investigative efforts.”“He told me,” Emerson recalled two decades later, at home in his living room, “that he was taking over the investigation of the fire.”Chief Emerson knew Attorney General Mattox from Dallas. Before coming to the capital city a few years earlier, Ernest Emerson had ended a 31-year career in the Big D – rising from firefighter to chief arson investigator to fire marshal, while Mattox was there too as an assistant district attorney, before winning a seat in Congress.Did Marshal Emerson object to General Mattox taking over the investigation? “He was the attorney general,” Emerson said years later at home. He showed discomfort, as investigators do when confronted with interference by powerful interests, but he was outranked. Of what happened later, Emerson added, “I believe he [Mattox] was trying to protect some people.” When Jim Mattox took over the Capitol case he hired an outside consultant to solve it. General Mattox had in effect removed both the city and state fire marshals from the case, yet the attorney general is not in the fire-detection business and needed expertise. Mattox named a private consultant to head the investigation, named Leland Priest, who had preceded Malcolm Light as the City of Austin's fire marshal. While not satisfied with the Attorney General assuming authority for the investigation, Emerson was reassured because he knew Priest on a professional level and knew “he was a good man.” A few days later Ernest Emerson got a call from Priest, who had discouraging news. Although never made public at the time, a “confidential supplemental report” can be found in the State Fire Marshal's records in the William P. Hobby State Office Building, in downtown Austin today, reflecting that the Capitol fire had taken a dangerous turn. The report is one paragraph written by Emerson and dated February 18, twelve days after the big burn: “I met with Leland M. Priest, who had been retained by the Attorney General as a fire cause consultant. He said that he had been dismissed by the Attorney General on Tuesday, February 15th. He said that he had in his possession fire debris samples taken Friday, February 11th, from the den (fire scene) at the Capitol. He said the sample of carpet taken from the northwest corner of the den near the TV was hot.”“Hot,” Emerson explained in his home during the later interview, “is what investigators say for evidence pointing to the cause of a fire.” Without referring to his notes, the 80-year-old former State Fire Marshal Emerson recalled certain details of what was found among the ashes of the East Wing. The Attorney General had fired Priest, a strategic decision, but doing so he made a tactical error – General Mattox had not recovered the evidence that Leland Priest collected in the Capitol apartment. Specifically, Priest had discovered suspicious burn patterns in the carpet of the room. “Priest called me and said Mattox had let him go. He said Mattox wanted the cause of the fire to be one thing and not another,” Emerson recalled twenty years after the fact.“Priest said he trusted me and he would only turn over the evidence to me, and only with a subpoena. I drew up a subpoena and went to see him.”Without telling anyone – and even though he had been taken off the investigation – Ernest Emerson collected the evidence and assigned one of his men to drive to the Metroplex, to the private Armstrong Forensic Laboratory outside Dallas.“The purpose of this trip was to deliver and submit five (5) fire debris samples for complete laboratory testing and analysis,” Emerson's man, who made the trip north, wrote in his own “confidential supplemental report,” dated Feb. 22, 1983. “These five debris samples were those recovered from the fire scene by Leland M. Priest, Fire Cause Consultant. …”“It was requested of Dr. Armstrong that all testing and analysis of the debris samples be aimed at determining any presence of flammable hydrocarbon or other substances in the samples, and, if possible, to identify such substances.” The firemen had already guessed what they were looking for. Among the ruins of the den were unidentified fragments of green glass, as well as a small silvery instrument, melted beyond recognition. Three years earlier comedian Richard Pryor had put “freebasing” in the dictionary after he burned himself while preparing a potent form of cocaine for smoking. Today's fashion is crack but at that time freebasing – essentially home-cooking your own crack – was the thang to do.To freebase requires “washing” cocaine in a strong solvent, a hydrocarbon like ether, to remove impurities and prepare the drug which is then placed in a pipe. Freebased coke is almost instantaneously absorbed by the lungs. The narcotic effect is fast, ecstatic and short-lived. The preparation, mixing hydrocarbons with fire, is also very dangerous as Pryor discovered to his horror and, later, bitter humor.The suspicion among the firemen was that someone had learned the same lesson in the Lite Governor's apartment.While he waited for the results of the lab tests, Marshal Emerson kept busy. His official duty assigned by General Mattox was to investigate any possibility that the building had been intentionally torched which no one believed from the beginning but which was presumably intended to keep the fire marshal's people occupied. In practice it meant talking to a lot of crazies.Emerson said that, surreptitiously, “I still had people looking at things.”One avenue of inquiry was to see if the party at the Driskill Hotel, a few blocks down Congress Avenue, had carried over into the Capitol. To find out if the awards banquet spread beyond the ballroom, one of Emerson's men spent a week trying to track down a musician named Mark Stuart, leader of Dash Rip Rock and the Dragons, the band that had played Top 40 for the equestrian crowd at the Driskill that night.Emerson's agent finally contacted Mr. Stuart by phone at his home in the Big D. The results were disappointing – slightly comical – but remain part of the record in the fire marshal's “report.” “Mr. Stuart stated that he had talked further with all members of his band about remarks they may have heard at the dance on this particular night, and none of them remembered any comments or remarks about anyone going to another party or a meeting of any kind at any other location. He stated that after a period of time playing in a band, most musicians don't pay much attention to talk or actions in the attending crowd unless something out of the ordinary occurs.” Emerson's investigator had just been introduced to after-hours life in the Live Music Capital of the World. Dash Rip Rock and the Dragons were crossed off the list.In the meantime, the results had come back from the lab.Leland Priest was right.The carpeting from the den was hot.The fourth sample, debris taken in front of the bookcase where the TV was located, “had a strong odor of aromatic components,” the chemist Dr. Armstrong reported. To chemists, aromatic does not mean a good smell like perfume – instead, that the source is petroleum-based and volatile, meaning it catches fire. Further testing identified the remains in the carpet as a methyl-ether compound with “strong solvent capabilities.” Because solvents necessary for freebasing can be created from household products, Emerson'soffice quietly contacted the Capitol Police, to determine if any supplies of the same ingredients might have been stored in the apartment den. The answer, recorded in another “confidential supplemental report” was that “No materials of this kind were kept or stored in the den at any time.”Marshal Emerson said he talked with Armstrong by phone, to confirm his findings.“It was our belief that,” the former State Fire Marshal said, those years later, of events leading to Texas' big burn, “they were freebasing.” By “they” Emerson said he means a person or persons unknown, but presumably Matt Hansen and perhaps someone else as well. The lab report was ordered sent to Attorney General Mattox. When it became clear what Emerson had done – ordering tests without permission of the AG – Emerson said that he incurred the displeasure of certain high-ranking state officials. As to why no cocaine was found if drugs were being cooked, former Fire Marshal Emerson suggested a possibility: “That room was pretty well burned-up.” Any cocaine could have been destroyed, just as the presumed pipe. Attorney General Mattox, meanwhile, as part of his investigation, had decided to consult that National Aeronautics and Space Administration on the origins of the fire – for reasons that to this day remain unclear. NASA has wonderful scientists but they aren't known for their fire forensics work. It looked good, however, NASA, oh wow. In the end the state of Texas sued Zenith Radio Corporation and Mattox said he had found evidence of other fires in similar products. Mattox's trump card was that the State of Texas was prepared to introduce the testimony of Governor Hobby's servant, responsible for care of the apartment, who would testify that on a previous occasion the TV had blacked out and made a “popping” noise. During the civil suit, which never went to trial, Zenith' lawyers (Fulbright & Jaworski) tried to get their hands on Emerson's notes, a collection which came to be known popularly as “the State Fire Marshal's Report.” Although the report is really a series of memoranda written by Marshal Emerson and his men for their files, in the days following the Capitol fire, as the search for a cause developed into intrigue. Once a much sought-after document, not made public before now, these famous slips of paper can actually be viewed in state archives, in the Hobby Building.Tipped to the fire marshal's covert activities Zenith's lawyers asked for Emerson's papers at the time. The request was refused by the state's lawyer, Jim Mattox. The appeals court refused to force the document's release. Zenith's lawyers said privately that even had they won in court, the case would be a public relations nightmare for the company. A frustrated lawyer for Fulbright & Jaworski asked privately, after the settlement was reached, “One question you need to look at is, did the television set the fire, or did it burn up in the fire?”A year later Officer Quintanilla remained on complete disability. He was seeing the old homestead in Mexico when he was involved in a minor traffic accident in Guanajuato. While hospitalized his lungs failed. He received a posthumous Carnegie Medal in recognition of his heroism that morning. Leland Priest, who broke the case, died in a freak accident a few years later.Ernest Emerson died a year after he gave his final interview and was the last real witness – not to the fire but to the intrigue. Emerson spent 12 years of his later life on the national board that sets fire-code standards, he said that the men who maintained the integrity of the investigation are not the heroes of this fire or of any blaze – but the firefighters themselves who, on the morning of February 6, 1983, knocked down the flames before they reached the Texas Senate chamber. It would be dramatic to say that the Capitol fire haunted Chief Emerson through the decades until he spoke out but that's simply not true. The fire that haunted him took place almost thirty years earlier – at the Golden Pheasant restaurant in Dallas. It was seven alarms and the legend is that every firefighter in Dallas worked that night. Four of them died. At least, Chief Emerson said, he got the Capitol blaze down on paper and out of his head. All those false ceilings and dead spaces created through a century of makeshift engineering and quick fixes—after the Scottish masons and prison laborers finished work—were removed. The entire Capitol is now fitted with a sprinkler system. Looking back what was most intriguing about the Capitol fire is that the official story was almost contradicted from the very beginning. When Joel Quintanilla first opened his eyes after kicking in the door of the den, he was in the lobby-floor Capitol security office having been carried down by his comrades, and the first person he saw was Kate Hobby seated across from him with a policeman's raincoat over her shoulders. What really happened in the apartment might have been discovered then and there if investigators were able to sit down with her, another official lamented long after the fact. Miss Hobby was allowed to leave and gave a brief statement hours later at her father's townhouse, a few blocks away, signing her name the girlish Katie, which she's still called by some today. She would later testify in a deposition, “There were no drugs or anything in my presence at any time.” Kate Hobby now leads a presumably quiet life doing good deeds in Houston, married to a man who was a pallbearer at the funeral of her grandmother Oveta, the first secretary of the U.S. Department of Health, Education and Welfare. “It is a complete fabrication,” she said once of any idea that drug use led to the fire. And, as her patrician backbone stiffened, “You will hear from my lawyer.” She didn't reveal if she still rides. Only days after the embers had cooled people were already whispering that something wasn't right about the story that the state Democratic Party was trying to feed the public. Some of the rumors could be attributed to Richard Pryor's sensationally unhappy experience – the sort of innuendo you might have heard after any suspicious blaze at the time. But in the case of this tragedy, some of the rumbling could be traced to investigators themselves who thought the fix was in. Even the initial excavation of the fire scene had suggested that someone was not telling the truth. The apartment's “panic button” installed to enable the lieutenant governor to alert security in case of an emergency was found in the on position. Someone had tried to summon help. The switch was known to be properly functioning because it had, by coincidence, been inspected the night before the fire. The Capitol Police officer who checked wrote in his log that the apartment was strewn with beer cans.In your mind's eye, you can almost see Kate Hobby, young, horsey, rich, with a powerful father and a place to crash in Austin for an early Spring Break. Kate like her matriarch grandmother – the owner of the Houston Post, Oveta – and the Hobby men, mostly named William or Bill, who mostly went into politics, were part of a family that meant a great deal in this state. The Hobbys have rendered considerable service to Texas—although they've also tended to run a little wild, especially in their last generations in power. It's unlikely that the Watermans or Matt Hansen, first-time visitors to the apartment, would have known of the panic button's existence. The Watermans were described by rescuers as half-asleep and dazed when pulled from their rooms. Kate Hobby would have known, though. She said she was in her bedroom the whole time and was only awakened by the arrival of Capitol police. She came out the door into their arms. That's what she's always said. That's part of the official story too.A few hours after the last flames were extinguished, a search began of the bedroom where Mathew Hansen's body was found. “This investigator noted that a leather jacket was located on the foot of the west twin bed,” an investigator from the Fire Marshal's office wrote in his report that morning as he surveyed the ash and ruin. “This leather jacket appeared to be the size of one that belonged to a male subject. A maroon and white athletic type jacket was found on the middle portion of the east twin bed. This was a small jacket which appeared to possibly be one belonging to a female.“Several other articles of clothing were found on the floor next to the victim and upon the east twin bed. All of this clothing appeared to be of male design with the exception of one shirt. This light blue and white shirt actually appeared to be a blouse.” A search of the bathroom found a toothbrush, a Lady Shick razor, and a tube of muscle ointment. The ashtray on the vanity between the beds contained two cigarette butts of different brands.The victim's travel bag held “a small ‘shot glass' type container containing a clear liquid. The container was clear in color with the opening covered by ‘masking' tape.'” Attorney General Mattox's office would later describe the contents of the shot glass as horse liniment. Burn patterns on the bedroom door indicated the door had been closed after the fire began. That meant Hansen was probably not in the bedroom at the time the blaze started and may have taken refuge there. “This investigator noted a very unusual circumstance within the bedroom,” the officer recorded that morning in the bedroom. “Neither of the twin beds had been slept in. All of the linens and bedspreads were still in a ‘made-up' position.“Additionally, the general appearance of the bedspreads indicated that neither bed had been laid upon prior to the fire. Considering the time frame involved, this investigator considered this circumstance very unusual.”             It was.

On this episode of The Over The Lege Podcast, the OTL Podcast Crew (Stephanie Chiarello, Aaron Salinas, and Amy Lowrey) are joined by Blake Rocap the Legislative Counsel for Avow Texas, and the super-duper funny comedian Jim Smoltich! So listen, learn, and laugh!  Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Aaron Salinas & Symply CourtneySpecial Guest: Matthew DowdAnnouncer: Amy LowreyPodcast Editor: Tom BookerWriters:Stephanie Chiarello

Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Aaron Salinas & Symply CourtneySpecial Guest: Matthew DowdAnnouncer: Amy LowreyPodcast Editor: Tom BookerWriters:Stephanie Chiarello

Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Aaron Salinas & Jess ScottSpecial Guest: Andrew CatesAnnouncer: Amy LowreyPodcast Editor: Tom BookerWriters:Stephanie ChiarelloAmy Knopp

Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Aaron Salinas & Rochelle McConicoSpecial Guest: John MoritzAnnouncer: Amy LowreyPodcast Editor: Tom BookerWriters:Stephanie Chiarello 

Cast:Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Aaron Salinas & Jasmine OwenSpecial Guest: Senator Kirk WatsonAnnouncer: Amy LowreyPodcast Editor: Myrriah GossettWriters:Amy K.Stephanie C.Sam HollomonIntern:Sam Hollomon

Host: Stephanie ChiarelloComedians: Birthday Boy Aaron SalinasSpecial Guest: OTL's Interns - Sam Holloman and Benedict ParksAnnouncer: Amy LowreySound Engineer: Myrriah GossettWriters:Amy K.Stephanie C.

Host - Stephanie Chiarello, @schiarellotxAnnouncer - Amy Lowrey, @lowreyamyComedic Guest - Peter Liu @peterliucomedyComedic Guest - Aaron Salinas, @sudsypandaCelebrity Guest - Jonathan ConnorsIntern: Benedict Parks, @BenedictParks86Edited and Engineered by: Myrriah Gossett Resources for Jokes: The Texas legislature online https://capitol.texas.gov/Resources for following the Texas Legislature:https://lrl.texas.gov/index.cfmhttps://capitol.texas.gov/https://www.texastribune.org/http://quorumreport.com/ (subscription only)#txlege hashtag on social media

Host - Stephanie Chiarello, @schiarellotxAnnouncer - Amy Lowrey, @lowreyamyComedic Guest - Myrriah Gossett, @MyrriahGossettComedic Guest - Aaron Salinas, @sudsypandaCelebrity Guest - Jeffrey Clemmons, @jefflmclemmons Intern: Benedict Parks, @BenedictParks86Edited and Engineered by: Myrriah GossettPeople we talked about:Greg AbbottKen PaxtonDan HubertySid MillerBriscoe CainShelby SlawsonResources for following the Texas Legislature:https://lrl.texas.gov/index.cfmhttps://capitol.texas.gov/https://www.texastribune.org/http://quorumreport.com/ (subscription only)#txlege hashtag on social media