What happens after the experiences of true crime survivors have been shared with the world? Does the media truly capture all it entails to survive such tragedy in the public eye? What comes after the convictions are in, the cameras stop rolling, and the court of public opinion has spoken? Can sharing our stories lead to justice, and is there ever really justice? These questions and many more are discussed on the new true crime docuseries podcast brought to you by Broken Cycle Media (https://www.brokencyclemedia.com/) . What Came Next (http://www.instagram.com/whatcamenext_podcast) is co-created and produced by Something Was Wrong (http://www.somethingwaswrong.com) ’s Tiffany Reese and host, award-winning writer, victim advocate and true crime survivor Amy B. Chesler (http://www.amybchesler.com) . On What Came Next (http://www.instagram.com/whatcamenext_podcast) , you’ll hear firsthand accounts from those impacted, with behind the scenes insights about what came next for survivors after their stories were shared with the world, and how the media impacts crime victims and their loved ones.
The What Came Next podcast is a compelling and important addition to the true crime genre. Hosted by Amy, it focuses on the stories of survivors and their lives after experiencing trauma. This podcast stands out from others in the genre by giving a voice to the victims and shedding light on their journeys towards healing and recovery.
One of the best aspects of The What Came Next podcast is its empathetic storytelling. Amy approaches each survivor's story with great care and compassion, allowing them to share their experiences in their own words. Her interviewing skills are exceptional, creating a safe space for survivors to open up about their trauma and its aftermath. The episodes are structured beautifully, providing insight into the emotional and psychological impact that these events have had on the survivors' lives.
Another strong aspect of this podcast is its ability to inspire hope and help for those who may be experiencing abuse or trauma themselves. By sharing stories of resilience and strength, The What Came Next podcast serves as a source of empowerment for survivors. It highlights the bravery and courage it takes to speak out about these difficult experiences, offering support and understanding to listeners who may be going through similar situations.
While The What Came Next podcast has many positive qualities, one potential flaw is the rambling nature of some episodes. Although Amy generally does an excellent job with structure, there are moments where tangents or excessive detail can detract from the main focus of the episode. This can make it challenging for listeners to stay engaged with certain segments.
In conclusion, The What Came Next podcast is a well-produced and impactful exploration of survivors' stories after traumatic events. Through its empathetic storytelling and compassionate hosting, it provides a platform for survivors to share their experiences while inspiring hope in others who may be going through similar situations. Despite some minor flaws in pacing or structure at times, this podcast remains an essential listen for those interested in understanding the long-term effects of trauma and how individuals can heal from it.
Content warning: depression, suicidal ideation, suicide, sexual assault, rape, statutory rape, and sexual abuse. As shared in Episode 52 'What Happens Next // Part Two' (which originally aired on January 12th, 2024), Kelly Gee is a former professional hockey player and coach, and the current powerhouse executive director of the non profit organization Survivors for Change. Kelly has always been driven to make an impact, but it wasn't until surviving alleged sexual abuse at the hands of his former coach that he found his true calling: being an inspiration and motivator for survivors around the world. He hopes to utilize all that continues to come next for him in his journey for justice and peace to change present and future resources and support for all victims. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful for all of Kelly's advocacy and continued efforts for survivors, as well as for this conversation. Survivors for Change https://www.survivorsforchange.org/ Survivors for Change Instagram https://www.instagram.com/weares4c/ Survivor for Change Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheS4C/ The Incubation of Silence https://vimeo.com/549070172?share=copy The Army of Survivors https://thearmyofsurvivors.org/ Child USA https://childusa.org/ “I Was One of Them:' Kelly Gee Speaks Out via The Athletic https://theathletic.com/1956786/2020/07/28/i-was-one-of-them-survivor-of-alleged-sexual-abuse-by-hockey-coach-speaks-out/ Additional help and resources are available 24 hours a day at the National Sexual Assault Hotline, which can be reached at 1 800 656 4673 and the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988. You are not alone. For more resources, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Content warning: depression, suicidal ideation, substance use disorder, sexual assault, rape, statutory rape, and sexual abuse. As shared in Episode 51 'Against Big Odds // Part 1' (which originally aired on January 5th, 2024), Kelly Gee is a former professional hockey player and coach and the current executive director of the non profit organization Survivors for Change. Kelly has always been driven to make an impact, but it wasn't until surviving alleged sexual abuse at the hands of his former coach that he found his true calling: being an inspiration and motivator for survivors around the world. He hopes to utilize all that continues to come next for him in his journey for justice and peace to change, present and future resources and support for all victims. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful for all of Kelly's advocacy and continued efforts for survivors, as well as for this conversation. Survivors for Change https://www.survivorsforchange.org/ Survivors for Change Instagram https://www.instagram.com/weares4c/ “I Was One of Them:' Kelly Gee Speaks Out via The Athletic https://theathletic.com/1956786/2020/07/28/i-was-one-of-them-survivor-of-alleged-sexual-abuse-by-hockey-coach-speaks-out/ The Incubation of Silence https://vimeo.com/549070172?share=copy Trauma-Informed Care in Behavioral Health Services: Understanding the Impact of Trauma https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK207191/ Additional help and resources are available 24 hours a day at the National Sexual Assault Hotline, which can be reached at 1 800 656 4673 and the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988. You are not alone. For more resources, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Content warning: sexual abuse and child sexual abuse. It has been a great honor to host Mike Sacks and Kelly Gee on What Came Next prior to this conversation. Kelly first shared his experiences of abuse in episodes 51 and 52, entitled “Against Big Odds” and “What Happens Next,” which aired in January of 2024. Episodes 109 and 110, entitled “Silence is an Incubator” and “Up to Us to Protect,” were released over a year later and highlight Mike's abuse experiences with the same hockey coach nearly a decade prior to Kelly's abuse. The two men, united by sharing their experiences in the media and a similar mission to change the world, created a non-profit organization called Survivors for Change. In this special episode of What Came Next, both men join us again to share about their process of developing a revolutionary program for survivors and their support systems in the wake of their healing. The Broken Cycle Media team extends our immense gratitude to the Survivors for Change team; it's survivors and organizations like them that will enable the vicious cycle to end. Survivors for Change: https://www.survivorsforchange.org/ Survivors for Change Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheS4C/ Survivors for Change Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/weares4c/ Kelly Gee's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/goaliedr/ Mike Sacks's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/msackss4c/ [Mike Sacks] Silence is an Incubator // Part 1 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mike-sacks-silence-is-an-incubator-part-1/id1674051643?i=1000689894186 [Mike Sacks] Up to Us to Protect // Part 2 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mike-sacks-up-to-us-to-protect-part-2/id1674051643?i=1000692173278 Ep. 51 [Kelly Gee] Against Big Odds // Part 1 - 1/5/24 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-51-kelly-gee-against-big-odds-part-1-1-5-24/id1674051643?i=1000708699137 Ep. 52 [Kelly Gee] What Happens Next // Part 2 - 1/12/24 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-52-kelly-gee-what-happens-next-part-2-1-12-24/id1674051643?i=1000708699138 'I was one of them:' Survivor of alleged sexual abuse by hockey coach speaks out https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/1956786/2020/07/28/i-was-one-of-them-survivor-of-alleged-sexual-abuse-by-hockey-coach-speaks-out/ Three former players join lawsuit over alleged abuse by hockey coach Adrahtas https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/4204181/2021/07/23/three-former-players-join-lawsuit-over-alleged-abuse-by-hockey-coach-adrahtas/ Resources: RAINN - Rape, Abuse, & Incest National Network: https://rainn.org/ National Alliance on Mental Health: https://www.nami.org/ For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Content warning: child sexual abuse material, child sexual assault, sexual assault, nonconsensual pornography, sexual violence, sexual paraphilia, and pedophilia. Kim is a mother and nurse from Indiana. She reached out to the Broken Cycle Media team in hopes of sharing her story for the first time to bring awareness to a trajectory she never thought she would have had to traverse. Nearly a decade into her marriage, her whole life changed with a home raid by the FBI and several other criminal justice forces. The organizations would consequently find a large catalogue of child sexual abuse material in her then-husband's possession. However, at the start, Kim was not aware of all facets of his crimes. It would eventually take her years to learn everything, as well as to receive what closure the legal system offered. We are so grateful that Kim was willing to highlight all that continues to come next for her and her children, and that she is sharing her immense fortitude and strength with our audience today. Sources: Case Law summary | i. SORNA Requirements | Office of Sex Offender Sentencing, Monitoring, Apprehending, Registering, and Tracking. (n.d.). Office of Sex Offender Sentencing, Monitoring, Apprehending, Registering, and Tracking. https://smart.ojp.gov/sorna/current-law/case-law/i-sorna-requirements International Megan's Law of 2016 (P.L. 114-119) | U.S. Representative. (n.d.). https://chrissmith.house.gov/lawsandresolutions/international-megan-s-law.htm For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources. And don't forget to find Ice Cold Case wherever you listen to podcasts!
Content warning: child sexual abuse material, child sexual assault, sexual assault, nonconsensual pornography, sexual violence, sexual paraphilia, and pedophilia. Kim is a mother and nurse from Indiana. She reached out to the Broken Cycle Media team in hopes of sharing her story for the first time to bring awareness to a trajectory she never thought she would have had to traverse. Nearly a decade into her marriage, her whole life changed with a home raid by the FBI and several other criminal justice forces. The organizations would consequently find a large catalogue of child sexual abuse material in her then-husband's possession. However, at the start, Kim was not aware of all facets of his crimes. It would eventually take her years to learn everything, as well as to receive what closure the legal system offered. We are so grateful that Kim was willing to highlight all that continues to come next for her and her children, and that she is sharing her immense fortitude and strength with our audience today. For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to Green Chef for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget: to make this spring your most delicious yet with Green Chef, head to greenchef.com/50WCN and use code 50WCN to get 50% off your first month, then 20% off for two months with free shipping!
Content warning: assault, sexual assault, rape, serial rape, and nonconsensual pornography. As shared in part one of her story, Hannah Vanderhorst is a special education teacher and administrator living in Denver, Colorado. Having moved to the city in 2016, just before going through a breakup, Hannah turned to dating apps to expand her social circle and look for potential love. However, an October 2019 date changed her trajectory forever. It was on this date that she became a victim of a serial sexual predator, although she wouldn't find that out until over three years after her assault. Hannah would then join a taxing legal battle to receive justice, witness legal change elicited by her and others' experiences, and work to heal from the trauma. The Broken Cycle Media team is grateful that Hannah was willing to so selflessly share her story to bring awareness to our listeners. Sources: Allyn, B. (2024, February 15). Maker of Tinder, Hinge sued over “addictive” dating apps that put profits over love. NPR. https://www.npr.org/2024/02/14/1231513991/tinder-hinge-match-group-lawsuit Dugdale, E., & Harjani, H. (2025, March 6). Rape under wraps: how Tinder, Hinge and their corporate owner chose profits over safety. The Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/13/tinder-hinge-match-investigation Maass, B. (2024, March 11). Colorado bill seeking to regulate dating apps passes through committee: “Something clearly has to be done.” CBS News. https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/colorado-lawmakers-seek-regulate-dating-apps-following-cardiologist-case/ Maass, B. (2024, October 26). Cardiologist Stephen Matthews sentenced to 158 years for drugging, sexually assaulting Colorado women he met on dating apps. CBS News. https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/stephen-matthews-sentenced-158-years-drugging-sexually-assaulting-women-met-dating-apps-cardiologist/ Online-Facilitated Misconduct & Remote Tracking | Colorado General Assembly. (n.d.). Colorado General Assembly. https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/sb24-011 Schweitzer, A. (2025, February 25). Online dating giant Match Group is slow to remove dangerous daters, investigation finds. NPR. https://www.npr.org/2025/02/21/nx-s1-5301046/match-group-dating-app-tinder-hinge-assault-cases-investigation https://www.9news.com/article/news/crime/stephen-matthews-verdict/73-b3d763d5-5469-4852-a86a-e4c64d740ef7 For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Content warning: assault, sexual assault, rape, serial rape, and nonconsensual pornography. Hannah Vanderhorst is a special education teacher and administrator living in Denver, Colorado. Having moved to the city in 2016, just before going through a breakup, Hannah turned to dating apps to expand her social circle and look for potential love. However, an October 2019 date changed her trajectory forever. It was on this date that she became a victim of a serial sexual predator, although she wouldn't find that out until over three years after her assault. Hannah would then join a taxing legal battle to receive justice, witness legal change elicited by her and others' experiences, and work to heal from the trauma. The Broken Cycle Media team is grateful that Hannah was willing to so selflessly share her story to bring awareness to our listeners. Sources: Maass, B. (2024, October 26). Cardiologist Stephen Matthews sentenced to 158 years for drugging, sexually assaulting Colorado women he met on dating apps. CBS News. https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/stephen-matthews-sentenced-158-years-drugging-sexually-assaulting-women-met-dating-apps-cardiologist/ Are We Dating the Same Guy? https://www.facebook.com/groups/1284517869185949/ For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Content warning: abduction, kidnapping, violence, gun violence, robbery, assault, and murder. Crime House True Crime Stories is the ultimate destination for true crime fans. Every episode features two notorious cases from that week in crime history, tied by a common theme like infamous serial killers, mysterious disappearances, tragic murders, and more. Every Monday, uncover the full stories behind the headlines as host Vanessa Richardson takes you through high-profile investigations like the murder of Gabby Petito, the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart, and the mass suicide of the Heaven's Gate cult. Follow Crime House True Crime Stories — a Crime House Original — wherever you listen to podcasts.
Content warning: pedophilia, sexual sadism, paraphilia, psychopathy, brutality, child sexual abuse material, rape, sexual assault, torture, and murder. Joan Hoyt is a business professional and family woman from Santa Cruz, California. Although she has proudly served her county as a juror before, a 2024 jury duty assignment opened her eyes to the harsh realities of a criminal justice process she would have never thought was real prior. Her assignment included listening to the heartbreaking facts of Madyson Middleton's gruesome 2015 murder, then deeming whether Madyson's murderer should be released from juvenile incarceration in February of 2025, only ten years later. And when the jurors learned this process will occur every two years in perpetuity because of laws placed in effect after Madyson's murder, Joan and her fellow jurors began using all they witnessed as fuel towards making legal change. The Broken Cycle Media team is so deeply grateful Joan was willing to share her unique perspective with us today, and that she continues to fight for justice for Madyson and so many others. This episode is dedicated in loving memory of Madyson Middleton. Sources: California Supreme Court Upholds Law Protecting 14–15-Year-Olds from Transfer to Adult Court. (2022, July 27). National Center for Youth Law. https://youthlaw.org/news/california-supreme-court-upholds-law-protecting-14-15-year-olds-transfer-adult-court Chun, M. (2025, February 28). Juror in Gonzalez trial urges reform of state bill that prevented him from being charged as adult, allows repeat chances for release. Lookout Santa Cruz. https://lookout.co/juror-in-adrian-gonzalez-trial-urge-reform-of-state-bill-that-prevented-him-from-being-charged-as-adult-allows-repeat-chances-for-release/story Santa Cruz jury denies release of man convicted of murdering 8-year-old Maddy Middleton. (2025, February 20). ABC7 San Francisco. https://abc7news.com/post/maddy-middleton-death-santa-cruz-jury-denies-release-adrian-gonzalez-man-convicted-murdering-raping-8-year-old-girl/15934976/ For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Content warning: fraud and professional abuse. As shared in part one of her story, Victoria Latham is an established professional living in South Carolina. At the encouragement of her friend Lauren (who will also be sharing her perspective on the following episodes), Victoria has joined us to share about her experiences working for a burgeoning technology company that collapsed after its founder was charged with and sentenced for twenty counts of wire fraud amounting to over nine million dollars. It was Victoria's diligent evidence collection and courage to report that deeply contributed to prosecutors' success. However, this is the first time Victoria will have shared at-large about all that she's navigated in the process. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful for all of Victoria and Lauren's time, energy, and care in walking us through what was a very layered battle for justice. Victoria's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/victorialatham Oliver Pluff & Co: http://www.oliverpluff.com Sources: Charleston man and business indicted in federal court in over $9M. (2019, May 15). https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/pr/charleston-man-and-business-indicted-federal-court-over-9m-fraud Neel, M. a. S. M. R. S. C. (2021, November 30). ARIN taking a hard line on fraud pays off in Precedent-Setting criminal trial and conviction. American Registry for Internet Numbers. https://www.arin.net/blog/2021/11/30/hard-line-fraud-pays-off/ For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to Green Chef for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget to try the number one meal kit for eating well! Go to greenchef.com/wcnfree and use the code WCNFREE to get started with free salads for two months plus 50% off your first box.
Content warning: fraud and professional abuse. As shared in part one of her story, Victoria Latham is an established professional living in South Carolina. At the encouragement of her friend Lauren (who will also be sharing her perspective on the following episodes), Victoria has joined us to share about her experiences working for a burgeoning technology company that collapsed after its founder was charged with and sentenced for twenty counts of wire fraud amounting to over nine million dollars. It was Victoria's diligent evidence collection and courage to report that deeply contributed to prosecutors' success. However, this is the first time Victoria will have shared at-large about all that she's navigated in the process. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful for all of Victoria and Lauren's time, energy, and care in walking us through what was a very layered battle for justice. Sources: Charleston man and business indicted in federal court in over $9M. (2019, May 15). https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/pr/charleston-man-and-business-indicted-federal-court-over-9m-fraud Neel, M. a. S. M. R. S. C. (2021, November 30). ARIN taking a hard line on fraud pays off in Precedent-Setting criminal trial and conviction. American Registry for Internet Numbers. https://www.arin.net/blog/2021/11/30/hard-line-fraud-pays-off/ For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Content warning: fraud, coercion, professional abuse, child sexual abuse material, and gun violence. Victoria Latham is an established professional living in South Carolina. At the encouragement of her friend Lauren (who will also be sharing her perspective on the following episodes), Victoria has joined us to share about her experiences working for a burgeoning technology company that collapsed after its founder was charged with and sentenced for twenty counts of wire fraud amounting to over nine million dollars. It was Victoria's diligent evidence collection and courage to report that deeply contributed to prosecutors' success. However, this is the first time Victoria will have shared at-large about all that she's navigated in the process. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful for all of Victoria and Lauren's time, energy, and care in walking us through what was a very layered battle for justice. Sources: Charleston man and business indicted in federal court in over $9M. (2019, May 15). https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/pr/charleston-man-and-business-indicted-federal-court-over-9m-fraud Neel, M. a. S. M. R. S. C. (2021, November 30). ARIN taking a hard line on fraud pays off in Precedent-Setting criminal trial and conviction. American Registry for Internet Numbers. https://www.arin.net/blog/2021/11/30/hard-line-fraud-pays-off/ For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Content warning: substance abuse disorder, lethal substance consumption, domestic violence, intimate partner violence, childhood sexual abuse, sexual abuse, rape, statutory rape, pedophilia, murder, and mediumship. As shared in part one of her story, Kiersten Hathcock is a multi-crime survivor, self-taught carpenter, entrepreneur, author, volunteer intuitive medium, and co-founder of the non-profit organization, The National Institute of Law and Justice. Although she was born and raised in Ohio, her journey has taken her to many places and through many professional phases. It wasn't until turning 36 that her trajectory became much more spiritually-based, and she realized she had become re-attuned to an ability she had first experienced as a child. In the process, she would also recover memories of her own childhood sexual abuse. In uncovering her past, as well as many other victims' untold narratives, she has become an advocate for the voiceless within her work. Since starting her volunteer role as a medium in cold case murders and other related crimes, she has helped bring justice and/or solace to families across the country. The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful for her energy, advocacy, and openness to share, and the listener's nuanced understanding of Kiersten's narrative. Sources: National Institute for Law and Justice: https://nilj.org/ Kiersten's website: https://www.kierstenhathcock.com/ Little Voices: A Memoir https://www.kierstenhathcock.com/littlevoicesmemoir.html Kiersten's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/kierstenhathcock For additional resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources. And don't forget to follow Familicide for new episodes and updates.
Content warning: domestic violence, intimate partner violence, childhood sexual abuse, sexual abuse, rape, statutory rape, pedophilia, murder, and mediumship. Kiersten Hathcock is a multi-crime survivor, self-taught carpenter, entrepreneur, author, volunteer intuitive medium, and co-founder of the non-profit organization, The National Institute of Law and Justice. Although she was born and raised in Ohio, her journey has taken her to many places and through many professional phases. It wasn't until turning 36 that her trajectory became much more spiritually-based, and she realized she had become re-attuned to an ability she had first experienced as a child. In the process, she would also recover memories of her own childhood sexual abuse. In uncovering her past, as well as many other victims' untold narratives, she has become an advocate for the voiceless within her work. Since starting her volunteer role as a medium in cold case murders and other related crimes, she has helped bring justice and/or solace to families across the country. The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful for her energy, advocacy, and openness to share, and the listener's nuanced understanding of Kiersten's narrative. Sources: Kiersten's website: https://www.kierstenhathcock.com/ Little Voices: A Memoir https://www.kierstenhathcock.com/littlevoicesmemoir.html Kiersten's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/kierstenhathcock Chu, J. A., Frey, L. M., Ganzel, B. L., & Matthews, J. A. (1999). Memories of childhood abuse: dissociation, amnesia, and corroboration. The American journal of psychiatry, 156(5), 749–755. https://doi.org/10.1176/ajp.156.5.749 Loftus, E. F., Garry, M., & Feldman, J. (1994). Forgetting sexual trauma: what does it mean when 38% forget?. Journal of consulting and clinical psychology, 62(6), 1177–1186. https://doi.org/10.1037//0022-006x.62.6.1177 Williams L. M. (1994). Recall of childhood trauma: a prospective study of women's memories of child sexual abuse. Journal of consulting and clinical psychology, 62(6), 1167–1176. https://doi.org/10.1037//0022-006x.62.6.1167 Williams L. M. (1995). Recovered memories of abuse in women with documented child sexual victimization histories. Journal of traumatic stress, 8(4), 649–673. https://doi.org/10.1007/BF02102893 For additional resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Content warning: domestic violence, intimate partner violence, narcissistic abuse, cultic abuse, cults, and sexual abuse. Liz Iacuzzi is an athlete, writer, performer, and personality who focuses on exploring uncomfortable subject matter through comedy. However, it wasn't until extricating herself from an acting class-turned-cult that she would eventually discover her next passion: educating the masses about cultic abuse. She does so on her podcast, Was I in a Cult? on which she helps other cult survivors share their stories for awareness. We are so grateful Liz was willing to share her journey with us today, especially because it is one of the first times she's publicly divulged it at-length. Was I in a Cult? Podcast: https://www.wasiinacult.com/ Was I in a Cult? Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wasiinacult/ Liz's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/theiacuzzi For a list of resources and related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Content warning: substance abuse, suicidal ideation, domestic violence, child abuse, childhood sexual assault, childhood sexual abuse, sexual assault, and sexual abuse. Mike Sacks is a hockey player, telecommunications engineer, founder of the non-profit organization, Survivors for Change, and a true change-maker. Through Survivors for Change, it has become his personal mission to aide survivors of sexual abuse and assault in their journey of healing, alongside Kelly Gee, whose story has also been featured in What Came Next episodes 51 & 52. But before Mike was able to begin helping others, he had to come to terms with his own abuse and begin healing from his childhood experiences. In these episodes, Mike candidly shares about his struggles, the healing process, and what it's like traversing the media in an attempt to improve procedures in the athletic world. The Broken Cycle Media team is deeply grateful for Mike's time, energy, and the ability to amplify his efforts towards curating change for athletes around the world. Resources: Survivors for Change: https://www.survivorsforchange.org/ Survivors for Change on FB: https://www.facebook.com/TheS4C WCN E51: [Kelly Gee] Against Big Odds // Part 1 WCN E52: [Kelly Gee] What Happens Next // Part 2 For additional resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources Sources: Goldberg, R. (2020, May 28). USA Hockey Pres. Jim Smith's Handling of Alleged Sexual Misconduct Investigated. The Bleacher Report. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2893866 Illinois General Assembly - Illinois Compiled Statutes. (n.d.). Illinois General Assembly. https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/fulltext.asp?DocName=073500050K13-202.2 Schulte, S. (2017, August 14). Illinois wipes out statute of limitations for child sex abuse. ABC13 Houston. https://abc13.com/illinois-sex-abuse-statute-of-limitations/2310638/ Strang, K. (2020, February 21). Former players say Chicago area hockey coach sexually abused them. The Athletic. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/1591547/2020/02/21/former-players-say-chicago-area-hockey-coach-sexually-abused-them/
Content warning: substance abuse, suicidal ideation, domestic violence, child abuse, childhood sexual assault, childhood sexual abuse, sexual assault, and sexual abuse. Mike Sacks is a hockey player, telecommunications engineer, founder of the non-profit organization, Survivors for Change, and a true change-maker. Through Survivors for Change, it has become his personal mission to aide survivors of sexual abuse and assault in their journey of healing, alongside Kelly Gee, whose story has also been featured in What Came Next episodes 51 & 52. But before Mike was able to begin helping others, he had to come to terms with his own abuse and begin healing from his childhood experiences. In the following episodes, Mike candidly shares about his struggles, the healing process, and what it's like traversing the media in an attempt to improve procedures in the athletic world. The Broken Cycle Media team is deeply grateful for Mike's time, energy, and the ability to amplify his efforts towards curating change for athletes around the world. Resources: Survivors for Change: https://www.survivorsforchange.org/ WCN E51: [Kelly Gee] Against Big Odds // Part 1 WCN E52: [Kelly Gee] What Happens Next // Part 2 Sources: Goldberg, R. (2020, May 28). USA Hockey Pres. Jim Smith's Handling of Alleged Sexual Misconduct Investigated. The Bleacher Report. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2893866 Strang, K. (2020, February 21). Former players say Chicago area hockey coach sexually abused them. The Athletic. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/1591547/2020/02/21/former-players-say-chicago-area-hockey-coach-sexually-abused-them/ For additional resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Content warning: intimate partner violence, domestic violence, and murder. Stacy Kaiser is a licensed psychotherapist, relationship expert, author, and speaker. She was drawn to Psychology in youth and finds deep value in helping others navigate some of the hardest portions of their lives. In this thoughtful conversation, Stacy shares about the field of psychology, offers tips on finding the right therapist, and divulges how she's utilized her expertise both in-front of the camera and behind-the-scenes of some of true crime's most well-known docuseries. The Broken Cycle Media team extends our intense gratitude to Stacy for her work, time, energy, and advocacy in this episode and otherwise. Stacy's website: http://www.stacykaiser.com Stacy's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thestacykaiser/ For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to Apostrophe for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget, to get started just go to apostrophe.com/wcn and click get started, then use our code WCN at signup and you'll get your first visit for only five dollars.
*Content warning: car accidents, medical trauma, stalking, medical fraud, doula fraud, birth worker abuse, domestic violence homicide, murder, legal abuse. Please sign our petition to hold Jessica Polly accountable: https://www.change.org/p/hold-jessica-polly-accountable What Came Next Episodes referenced in this episode: [Amy B. Chesler - Evil Lives Here] This Sh*t Doesn't End - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/amy-b-chesler-evil-lives-here-this-sh-t-doesnt-end/id1674051643?i=1000602598564 [Amy B. Chesler - Evil Lives Here] The Darkest Times Are All Behind Me - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/amy-b-chesler-evil-lives-here-the-darkest-times-are/id1674051643?i=1000612743331 [John-Michael Lander] An Athlete's Silence - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/john-michael-lander-an-athletes-silence/id1674051643?i=1000619765637 [John-Michael Lander] Episode 22 Updates // Part 1 - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/john-michael-lander-episode-22-updates-part-1/id1674051643?i=1000662000663 [John-Michael Lander Hosts] WCN E1 & E13 Updates // Part 2 - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/john-michael-lander-hosts-wcn-e1-e13-updates-part-2/id1674051643?i=1000662716253 [WCN Presents] SWW S19 Updates - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wcn-presents-sww-s19-updates/id1674051643?i=1000667242886 For a list of related free and confidential resources, please visit: http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources FBI Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3): https://www.ic3.gov/ Follow Something Was Wrong: Website: somethingwaswrong.com IG: instagram.com/somethingwaswrongpodcast TikTok: tiktok.com/@somethingwaswrongpodcast Follow Tiffany Reese: Website: tiffanyreese.me IG: instagram.com/lookieboo business@tiffanyreese.me The SWW theme Song is U Think U, by Glad Rags. The S21 cover art is by the Amazing Sara Stewart.
Content warning: sexual assault, physical violence, brutality, and murder. Karie Kroll is a nurse of over 30 years, a family woman, and a co-victim of murder from Iowa. She found her passion for nursing at a young age and pursued a degree in the medical field out of college. However, it was not long into her professional trajectory that her family experienced a devastating loss: the horrific 1996 murder of her sister, Amanda. In this episode, Karie describes all that came next for her family while navigating the criminal justice system throughout the last 30 years, and the drastic changes they experienced just last year. The Broken Cycle Media team is incredibly grateful for Karie's candidness, advocacy, and her willingness to share her sister's memory with our audience. This episode is in loving memory of Amanda Michelle Folker. Sources: Registrant Information. (2024). In Murderer and Violent Offender Against Youth Database. https://isp.illinois.gov/MVOAY/Details/X16B2238 For a list of non-profit organizations and related resources at http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to Acorns & Apostrophe for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget to head to Acorns.com/wcn or download the Acorns app to start saving and investing for your future today. Also, remember our special Apostrophe deal, Get your first visit for just $5 at apostrophe.com/wcn when you use our code WCN.
Content warning: gun violence, armed robbery, grand theft, and home invasion. Milena Monrroy is a Los Angeles-based producer and the host of the podcast Latina Life with Jen and Milena. Her life has been largely influenced by her roles as a single mother and a storyteller, but her trajectory took a drastic turn when she became a victim of a home invasion and armed robbery in January of 2022. The months following would be filled with not only immense stress, upheaval, and fear, but also a taxing legal battle to receive justice. The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful for Milena's vulnerability and raw accounts of all that's came next for her over the last two years, in hopes of bringing awareness to our audience. Milena's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/milenaonair Latina Life with Jen and Milena: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-latina-life-with-jen-and-m-89358863/ Latina Life with Jen and Milena on IG: https://www.instagram.com/latinalifepodcast Sources: Burglary Statistics. (2024, July 19). The Zebra. https://www.thezebra.com/resources/research/burglary-statistics/ Home Invasion Statics By State. (2024, April 11). Consumer Affairs. https://www.consumeraffairs.com/homeowners/home-invasion-statistics-by-state.html For additional resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Content warning: suicidal ideation, intimate partner violence, criminal threats, domestic violence, physical, mental, emotional, and psychological abuse, and gun violence. As shared in part one of her story, Elle Gargano is an entrepreneur, writer, survivor, and victim advocate from Southern California. She originally began sharing her story of resilience after attending the Las Vegas Route 91 festival and surviving a gunshot wound to the head. After enduring several surgeries and physically recovering, Elle began to realize she still had more trauma to digest. After escaping an abusive, nine-year relationship that persisted throughout her entire healing journey, Elle's path of sharing has evolved and now allows her to advocate for domestic violence victims. The Broken Cycle Media team is so very grateful for Elle's tenacity, resilience, and willingness to share so much of what came next for her with our audience today. Elle's website: https://www.ellegargano.com/ Elle's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/ellegargano Elle's TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ellegargano Brave the Label: https://bravethelabel.com/ For a list of related non-profit organizations that can help, visit http://www.somethingwaswrong/com/resources
Content warning: intimate partner violence, domestic violence, physical, mental, emotional, and psychological abuse, gun violence and mass murder. Elle Gargano is an entrepreneur, writer, survivor, and victim advocate from Southern California. She originally began sharing her story of resilience after attending the Las Vegas Route 91 festival and surviving a gunshot wound to the head. After enduring several surgeries and physically recovering, Elle began to realize she still had more trauma to digest. After escaping an abusive, nine-year relationship that persisted throughout her entire healing journey, Elle's path of sharing has evolved and now allows her to advocate for domestic violence victims. The Broken Cycle Media team is so very grateful for Elle's tenacity, resilience, and willingness to share so much of what came next for her with our audience today. Elle's website: https://www.ellegargano.com/ Elle's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/ellegargano Brave the Label: https://bravethelabel.com/ For a list of related non-profit organizations that can help, visit http://www.somethingwaswrong/com/resources Thank you again to Mint Mobile for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget to visit mintmobile.com/wcn to cut your wireless bill to $15 a month!
Content warning: domestic violence, physical violence, murder, and mass murder. Kyleigh McPeek and Grace Carroll are recent graduates of Stanford University. While they were students there, they launched an honors project that took podcast form. In this special episode of What Came Next, they share about their work on the True Crime Podcast Podcast, and their goal to promote awareness about the impact of - and ethics in - the true crime podcasting industry. The Broken Cycle Media team is not only incredibly grateful for their time and energy, but also for the advocacy and awareness they're promoting through their podcast platform. The True Crime Podcast Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-podcast-podcast/id1763286752 The True Crime Podcast Podcast on IG: https://www.instagram.com/_podcastpodcast Know My Name by Chanel Miller: https://amzn.to/3VAatEO Sources: Boling, K. S. (2022). “It's that ‘There but for the Grace of God Go I' Piece of It”: Domestic Violence Survivors in True Crime Podcast Audiences. Mass Communication and Society, 26(6), 991–1013. https://doi.org/10.1080/15205436.2022.2061359 For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations who can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Content warning: stalking, catfishing, fraud, narcissistic abuse, gaslighting, self-harm, suicidal ideation, and criminal threats. As shared in part one of her story, Jordan is a mother and survivor from Florida. She originally reached out to the Broken Cycle media team after hearing similarities between her journey and the journeys of the women from season 20 of Something Was Wrong. Jordan was compelled to share her experiences surviving catfishing, fraud, abuse, and stalking, in order to offer awareness and community to others, as Season 20 previously did for her. The Broken Cycle Media team is immensely grateful for Jordan's transparency and desire to continue our mission to support other survivors. Internet Crime Complaint Center: https://www.ic3.gov/ For additional resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to Miracle Made for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget to go to TryMiracle.com/WCN and use the code WCN to claim your free three piece towel set and save over 40% off.
Content warning: stalking, catfishing, fraud, narcissistic abuse, gaslighting, self-harm, suicidal ideation, and criminal threats. Jordan is a mother and survivor from Florida. She originally reached out to the Broken Cycle Media team after hearing similarities between her journey and the journeys of the women from Season 20 of Something Was Wrong. Jordan was compelled to share her experiences surviving catfishing, fraud, abuse, and stalking in order to offer awareness and community to others, as Season 20 previously did for her. The Broken Cycle Media team is immensely grateful for Jordan's transparency and desire to continue our mission to support other survivors. FBI Internet Crime Complaint Center - https://ic3.gov/ Thank you again to Uncommon Goods for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget to check out Uncommon Goods by visiting uncommongoods.com/wcn for 15% off! For additional resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Content warning: sexual abuse, sexual assault, childhood sexual abuse, statutory rape, human trafficking, sex trafficking, and suicide. Lisa Phillips is a model, actress, survivor, and victim advocate who has spent much of her life all over the world. While cultivating a career in the modeling and acting industries, Lisa even found herself overseas and as a guest on Jeffrey Epstein's private island. That specific trip would become quite traumatic for Lisa, and although she would never return to the property again, she would soon be trafficked into a vast and widespread ring that enabled mass sexual assault. However, it wouldn't be until after navigating the legal system and sharing her story with other survivors of the same serial abuser, that Lisa truly was confronted by the depth of her trauma. The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful Lisa was willing to share all that came next for her in her healing process, and in creating her beautiful podcast community entitled From Now On. Lisa's Links: From Now On Podcast: https://www.lisaphillips.la/podcast Lisa Phillips' Website: https://www.lisaphillips.la/ From Now On Podcast Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/fromnowonpod Lisa's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/iamlisaphillips For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources Sources: ABC 7 Chicago. (2024, July 2). Jeffrey Epstein grand jury documents released by judge in Florida [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x8ESdS_mkU. CBS New York. (2019, July 6). Jeffrey Epstein Arrested For Sex Trafficking [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tJ9-tFKJaA&list=PPSV Cohen, L. (2023, November 9). JPMorgan's $290 million settlement with Epstein accusers approved by US judge. Reuters. https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-judge-weigh-jpmorgans-290-million-settlement-with-epstein-accusers-2023-11-09/ Ghislaine Maxwell Charged In Manhattan Federal Court For Conspiring With Jeffrey Epstein To Sexually Abuse Minors. (2020, July 2). United States Attorney's Office. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ghislaine-maxwell-charged-manhattan-federal-court-conspiring-jeffrey-epstein-sexually Ghislaine Maxwell Sentenced To 20 Years In Prison For Conspiring With Jeffrey Epstein To Sexually Abuse Minors. (2022, June 28). United States Attorney's Office. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ghislaine-maxwell-sentenced-20-years-prison-conspiring-jeffrey-epstein-sexually-abuse NBC News. (2024, January 4). Newly unsealed documents reveal Jeffrey Epstein's relationships with powerful people [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_x7tg5YO5s&t=4s Jeffrey Epstein Charged In Manhattan Federal Court With Sex Trafficking Of Minors. (2019, July 8). Press Release. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/jeffrey-epstein-charged-manhattan-federal-court-sex-trafficking-minors Judge releases 2006 PBC grand jury documents in Jeffrey Epstein criminal case. (2024, July 1). [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfPV4c2Tnic&t=32s Over $150 Million Paid to Jeffrey Epstein Victims by His Estate Claim Executors in Latest Financial Filing. (2023, November 14). Inside Edition. https://www.insideedition.com/jeffrey-epstein-victims-payments-estate-value Will We Ever Know How Many Girls Jeffrey Epstein Abused? (2019, July 19). The Cut. https://www.thecut.com/2019/07/how-many-jeffrey-epstein-victims-are-there.html WFLA News Channel 8. (2024, July 2). New documents reveal sordid life of Billionaire Jeffrey Epstein [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HloA3-rZnFw&list=PPSV&t=72s WPBF 25 News. (2024, July 1). Judge releases grand jury records in 2008 Jeffrey Epstein criminal case [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3erEsEhjLk&t=12s WPTV News. (2024, July 1). Breakdown of newly released Epstein grand jury testimony [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCz87fmI5ks&list=PPSV
Content warning: childhood sexual assault, childhood sexual abuse, rape, self-harm, suicidal ideation, attempted suicide, domestic violence, fraud, and financial, physical, emotional, mental, psychological, and narcissistic abuse. Anu Verma is a mother, survivor, author, speaker, and film producer from the United Kingdom. Her childhood experiences of sexual abuse, as well as several future toxic relationships she would navigate, deeply affected her trajectory. In this very candid conversation, Anu shares much of her heartbreak and consequent healing, in order to bring awareness and allow other victims to become victors over their own story. The Broken Cycle media team is extremely thankful Anu was willing to share so much of herself in order to allow others to feel less alone. Anu's website: http://www.victim2victor.com/ Anu's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/victim_2_victor_podcast/ Anu's Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/victim2victor/ Anu's Podcast: https://victim2victor.net/podcast-episodes-listen-on-apple-spotify/ For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to Mint Mobile and Uncommon Goods for sponsoring this episode. Remember, to get Mint Mobile's new customer offer and your new 3 month premium wireless plan for just 15 a month, go to MintMobile.com/WCN. And don't forget, to get 15 percent off your next gift, go to uncommongoods.com/WCN.
Content warning: spiritual, religious, financial, mental, and emotional abuse. Lori Adams-Brown is a mother, survivor, leader, and an expert in cross-cultural business affairs. On today's episode, Lori bravely shares her experiences working for a megachurch, and the consequent financial, verbal, psychological, mental, and spiritual abuse she faced while working for the church. The Broken Cycle Media team is in awe of Lori's dedication to helping other survivors in the wake of all that came next for her and her family. We're also grateful she continues to work to equip society with knowledge and awareness through her work and podcasting efforts. Lori's website: https://www.loriadamsbrown.com/ Lori's podcast, A World of Difference: https://www.aworldofdifferencepodcast.com/ Lori's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lori_adamsbrown/ Petition to Release NDA's: https://www.change.org/p/petition-to-release-former-echo-church-employees-from-non-disclosure-agreements For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Content warning: stalking, burglary, gun violence, mass shooting, and murder. Anthony Jensen is a father, actor, producer, and survivor from Idaho by way of Oregon. He moved to Los Angeles in the late 1980's to pursue a career in entertainment, and although the years following would be filled with great success, a 1991 shooting would forever impact the way he navigated life. Anthony was the manager of a movie theater, and in the auditorium, when a film's opening night turned violent. The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful that Tony took was willing to share about his experiences that evening, as well as about all that came next in his career and within his healing process. Tony's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/tonyjensen Multnomah Productions: https://multnomahfallsproductions.com/ Sources: Man Guilty in Killing at Drive-In. (n.d.). Chicago Tribune. https://www.chicagotribune.com/1993/05/14/man-guilty-in-killing-at-a-drive-in/ For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to Uncommon Goods for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget, to get 15% off your next gift, go to uncommongoods.com/wcn. Uncommon Goods: we're all out of the ordinary.
Content warning: gun violence, stalking, emotional, mental, and psychological abuse, violent threats, criminal threats, hate crimes, racism, antisemitism, transphobia, and homophobia. As shared in part one and two of their story, J.E. Reich is a journalist, editor, survivor, and victim advocate. They shared their story on Something Was Wrong season 6, episodes 5 and 6, which aired on December 6th and December 13th of 2020. The episodes discuss the impact of the devastating 2018 shooting at The Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and the impact the hate crime had on J.E.'s community. The three episodes also bring awareness to the related, horrific stalking J.E. and their family would be subjected to in the years following. However, at the time of the episodes' release, J.E. and their family had received no justice for the unending harassment and death threats ‘The Caller' executed over those years. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful J.E. was willing to return today to share more of their journey to seek justice, and about the start of their consequent healing process. Something Was Wrong Season 6 E5, Massacre at the Tree of Life Synagogue | JE: https://wondery.com/shows/something-was-wrong/episode/10716-massacre-at-the-tree-of-life-synagogue-je/ Something Was Wrong Season 6 E6, Panic Attack City | JE: https://wondery.com/shows/something-was-wrong/episode/10716-panic-attack-city-je/ J.E.'s Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/jereichwrites For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Content warning: gun violence, stalking, emotional, mental, and psychological abuse, violent threats, criminal threats, hate crimes, antisemitism, transphobia, and homophobia. As shared in part one of their story, J.E. Reich is a journalist, editor, survivor, and victim advocate. They shared their story on Something Was Wrong season 6, episodes 5 and 6, which aired on December 6th and December 13th of 2020. The episodes discuss the impact of the devastating 2018 shooting at The Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and the impact the hate crime had on J.E.'s community. The episodes also bring awareness to the related, horrific stalking J.E. and their family would be subjected to in the years following. However, at the time of the episodes' release, J.E. and their family had received no justice for the unending harassment and death threats ‘The Caller' executed over those years. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful J.E. was willing to return today to share more of their journey to seek justice, and about the start of their consequent healing process. Something Was Wrong Season 6 E5, Massacre at the Tree of Life Synagogue | JE: https://wondery.com/shows/something-was-wrong/episode/10716-massacre-at-the-tree-of-life-synagogue-je/ Something Was Wrong Season 6 E6, Panic Attack City | JE: https://wondery.com/shows/something-was-wrong/episode/10716-panic-attack-city-je/ J.E.'s Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/jereichwrites For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to Mint Mobile and CB Distillery for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget to get your new Mint Mobile customer offer and your new three month premium wireless plan for just 15 bucks a month by going to mintmobile.com/WCN. And remember to visit cbdistillery.com and use code WCN for 20% off!
Content warning: gun violence, stalking, emotional, mental, and psychological abuse, violent threats, criminal threats, hate crimes, antisemitism, transphobia, homophobia, genocide, and war. J.E. Reich is a journalist, editor, survivor, and victim advocate. They shared their story on Something Was Wrong season 6, episodes 5 and 6, which aired on December 6th and December 13th of 2020. The episodes discuss the impact of the devastating 2018 shooting at The Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and the impact the hate crime had on J.E.'s community. The episodes also bring awareness to the related, horrific stalking J.E. and their family would be subjected to in the years following. However, at the time of the episodes' release, J.E. and their family had received no justice for the unending harassment and death threats ‘The Caller' executed over those years. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful J.E. was willing to return today to share more of their journey to seek justice, and about the start of their consequent healing process. Something Was Wrong Season 6 E5, Massacre at the Tree of Life Synagogue | JE: https://wondery.com/shows/something-was-wrong/episode/10716-massacre-at-the-tree-of-life-synagogue-je/ Something Was Wrong Season 6 E6, Panic Attack City | JE: https://wondery.com/shows/something-was-wrong/episode/10716-panic-attack-city-je/ J.E.'s Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/jereichwrites For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you Miracle Made for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget to Upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! Go to TryMiracle.com/WCN and use the code WCN to claim your FREE 3-piece towel set and save over 40% OFF.
Content warning: child sexual assault, child rape, statutory rape, incest, sexual abuse, cultic abuse, religious abuse, narcissistic abuse, assault, physical, emotional, mental, and financial abuse. Jessica Willis-Fisher is a singer-songwriter living in Nashville, Tennessee. Her childhood as the eldest of twelve siblings and member of a family band was marked by great tumult and abuse, despite spending several years in the public eye. Jessica would eventually free herself and deal with all that came next: coming to terms with her abuse, navigating the media, working to see her abuser imprisoned, and healing from the harm. The Broken Cycle Media has immense gratitude for Jessica's time, energy, and all the awareness she is bringing with this conversation to intrafamilial abuse. Jessica's website: https://jessicawillisfisher.com/ Jessica's song, “My History:” https://jessicawillisfisher.com/brand-new-day-lp/ Unspeakable: Surviving My Childhood and Finding My Voice - https://jessicawillisfisher.com/book/ A Little Bit Culty feat. Jessica: https://alittlebitculty.com/episode/behind-the-reality-jessica-willis-fisher-on-her-childhood-abuse For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources Sources: Fisher, Jessica Willis. “My History.” Brand New Day LP, Bard Craft Records, 2022, Track 6. https://jessicawillisfisher.com/brand-new-day-lp/ Baker, K. C. (2017, July 11). Former TLC Star Toby Willis Pleads Guilty to Child Rape and Receives 40-Year Sentence. People Magazine. https://people.com/crime/tlc-toby-willis-guilty-plea-child-rape/
Content warning: gender-based violence, abuse, domestic violence, intimate partner violence, and rape. Alison Jones-Lockwood is a mother and victim advocate in Colorado. Her career in aiding survivors began years ago while she was in college, and continues to this day. Although her journey recently pivoted when she became Executive Director of the Rape Crisis Center for Northern Colorado, at the time of our recording she worked with EVAWI or End Violence Against Women International. The Broken Cycle Media team is grateful Alison was able to offer such a broad perspective of the advocacy arena, as well as a detailed account of what's coming next for EVAWI, as the organization works to change the criminal justice and legal landscapes for victims. Although the importance of advocacy work is always relevant, this conversation is especially timely considering October is Domestic Violence Awareness Month. Sources: How the Indy Star and Rachael Denhollander took down Larry Nassar. (2018, January 25). CNN; CNN. https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/25/us/larry-nassar-indy-star/index.html Investigative Journalist Digs Deeper to Tell Overlooked Stories. (2023, December 5). CSUNshine Today. https://csunshinetoday.csun.edu/community/investigative-journalist-digs-deeper-to-tell-overlooked-stories/ Miller, T., & Armstrong, K. (2015, December 16). An Unbelievable Story of Rape. ProPublica. https://www.propublica.org/article/false-rape-accusations-an-unbelievable-story Resources: SAVA Center: https://www.savacenter.org/ End Violence Against Women International: https://evawintl.org/ Metropolitan Organization to Counter Sexual Assault: https://mocsa.org/ For additional resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Content warning: sibling abuse, sexual harassment, voyeurism, stalking, rape, narcissistic abuse, professional abuse, self-harm, and suicide. As shared in part one of her story, Amanda is a mother, mental health compliance professional, and advocate. Nearly twenty years ago, Amanda was employed by a fixture in the family court whose deviousness would be unearthed in 2007 when he faced charges for alleged voyeurism. Her experiences surviving professional abuse, sexual harassment, and suspected voyeurism at the hands of this renowned forensic psychologist have been motivation in Amanda's mission to ensure the mental health industry fosters safety and wellness. In this episode, Amanda bravely shares what she was subjected to within the walls of this psychologist's office, and what came next within her healing journey after freeing herself of the abuse. The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful for Amanda‘s time, energy, professional perspective, and the awareness about professional abuse she is cultivating today and within her work. Resources: Simon, C. (1998). Mad House: Growing Up in the Shadow of Mentally Ill Siblings. Penguin Publishing Group. Zahariades, D. (2017). The Art of Saying No: How To Stand Your Ground, Reclaim Your Time And Energy, And Refuse To Be Taken For Granted (Without Feeling Guilty!). What Came Next, Episode 21 [Tina Swithin] One Mom's Battle: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tina-swithin-one-moms-battle/id1674051643?i=1000618845906 Sources: Congress Criminalizes Video Voyeurism. (n.d.). Women's Congressional Policy Institute. https://www.wcpinst.org/source/congress-criminalizes-video-voyeurism/ White, T. (2018). Few video voyeurism cases result in prison sentences. WPRI 12 News. https://www.wpri.com/target-12/few-video-voyeurism-cases-result-in-prison-sentences/ For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Content warning: sibling abuse, sexual harassment, voyeurism, stalking, rape, narcissistic abuse, professional abuse, self-harm, and suicide. Amanda is a mother, mental health compliance professional, and advocate. Nearly twenty years ago, Amanda was employed by a fixture in the family court whose deviousness would be unearthed in 2007 when he faced charges for alleged voyeurism. Her experiences surviving professional abuse, sexual harassment, and suspected voyeurism at the hands of this renowned forensic psychologist have been motivation in Amanda's mission to ensure the mental health industry fosters safety and wellness. In this episode, Amanda bravely shares what she was subjected to within the walls of this psychologist's office, and what came next within her healing journey after freeing herself of the abuse. The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful for Amanda‘s time, energy, professional perspective, and the awareness about professional abuse she is cultivating today and within her work. Thank you again to CBDistillery and Mint Mobile for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget to visit CBDistillery.com and use code WCN for 20% off. And to get your Mint Mobile customer offer and your new 3-month premium wireless plan for just 15 bucks a month, go to MintMobile.com/WCN. For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Content warning: infidelity, serial infidelity, narcissistic abuse, and physical, emotional, mental, and financial abuse. Allyn Amerongen is a mental health advocate, podcaster, and survivor of narcissistic abuse. Allyn just launched her new podcast, When Heaven Meets Hell, to highlight her experiences and healing. She also hopes to offer listeners resources and tools to thrive after their own abusive experiences. The Broken Cycle Media team is thankful for Allyn's perspective, energy, and work in the advocacy space despite all that continues to comes next for her amidst her healing journey. Allyn's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/allyn.amerongen When Heaven Meets Hell podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/when-heaven-meets-hell/id1757647021 For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you Miracle Made for sponsoring this episode! Don't forget to upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! Go to TryMiracle.com/WCN and use the code WCN to claim your FREE 3 PIECE TOWEL SET and SAVE over 40% OFF. Again, that's TryMiracle.com/WCN to treat yourself.
Content warning: substance abuse, substance use disorder, infidelity, serial infidelity, narcissistic abuse, assault, attempted murder, and gun violence. Jessie Buttafuoco is a mental health professional, advocate, speaker, and co-victim of gun violence from Long Island, New York. Her journey in the media began at an incredibly young age, as the result of a vicious attack and attempt against her mother's life in 1992. Shortly thereafter, pieces of Jessie's family story would be covered by what felt like every media outlet. However, Jessie's own experiences navigating the media, growing up in the public eye, and healing from prolonged trauma have gone largely unshared. Her goals in imparting more of what came next in her personal journey are to bring awareness to the impact and potential detriment of non-consensual media coverage, to offer support to other survivors, and to change the legislative landscape for future generations. The Broken Cycle Media team is incredibly grateful that Jessie was willing to share so much of her over 30-year journey within the true crime landscape with our audience today. Jessie's website: https://www.jessiebuttafuoco.com/ Jessie's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/jessiebuttafuoco Jessie's Podcast, Live Your Life Kween: https://open.spotify.com/show/3ueLsPkZA2bj2I9Qk85Xfz Sources: Haidt, J. (2024). The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness. Penguin Press. Efron, Z., Hudgens, V. and Seeley, D. (2006). Start of something new [Song]. High school musical soundtrack [Album]. Walt Disney. For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Content warning: substance abuse, substance use disorder, infidelity, serial infidelity, narcissistic abuse, assault, attempted murder, and gun violence. Jesse Buttafuoco is a mental health professional, advocate, and speaker, and co victim of gun violence from Long Island, New York. Her journey in the media began at an incredibly young age, as the result of a vicious attack and attempt against her mother's life in 1992. Shortly thereafter, pieces of Jessie's family story would be covered by what felt like every media outlet. However, Jessie's own experiences navigating the media Growing up in the public eye and healing from prolonged trauma have gone largely unshared. Her goals in imparting more of what came next in her personal journey is to bring awareness to the impact and potential detriment of non-consensual media coverage, to offer support to other survivors, and to change the legislative landscape for future generations. The Broken Cycle Media team is incredibly grateful that Jessie was willing to share so much of her over 30 year journey within the true prime landscape with our audience today. Jessie's website: https://www.jessiebuttafuoco.com/ Jessie's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/jessiebuttafuoco Jessie's Podcast, Live Your Life Kween: https://open.spotify.com/show/3ueLsPkZA2bj2I9Qk85Xfz For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Content warning: stalking, cyberstalking, emotional, mental, and psychological abuse, domestic violence, and murder. Something Was Wrong Season 19 featuring Amy's episodes began airing January 11th, 2024 and finished airing February 8th of the same year. In the five episodes, Amy's tenacity and resiliency became resoundingly clear as she and her loved ones recounted all they faced amidst years of stalking and cyber stalking. Through what felt like a never-ending criminal justice and legal battle, Amy would eventually put her stalker, Morrison, behind bars, and she would share in hopes of finding more of his victims. She returns today to share about all that's come next in the parole process since Season 19 ended, and all that she continues to work for in honor of other victims of stalking. The Broken Cycle Media team is immensely grateful for Amy's continued candidness and advocacy, as well as the time, energy, and awareness she's offered our listeners. Something Was Wrong Season 19: https://wondery.com/shows/something-was-wrong/season/19/ For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to Mint Mobile and Miracle Made for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget to get Mint Mobile's new customer offer and your new three month premium wireless plan for just $15 a month. Go to mintmobile.com/wcn. See Mint Mobile for details. And remember to upgrade your sleep with MiracleMaid. Go to TryMiracle.com/WCN and use the code WCN to claim your free three piece towel set and save over 40 percent off!
Content warning: infidelity, serial infidelity, narcissistic abuse, stalking, cyberstalking, physical, emotional, mental, and financial abuse. Dr. Kathi Miner is an organizational psychologist, professor, author, and survivor from Southern California. After losing her mother at a very young age, Kathi gained a poignant view of the universe and her desired place in it. As a result, she would eventually become a professor of women's studies and psychology. She also forged her own family with her ex-husband. However, after finding out about his egregious infidelities and seeking a divorce, Dr. Miner's entire world would be turned upside down when she began to face incessant narcissistic abuse by her ex. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely thankful that Dr. Miner was willing to join us today to offer so much of her time, personal perspective, professional expertise, and advocacy. Dr. Miner's website: https://kathiminerphd.com/ Dr. Miner's Book: Dr. Miner's TikTok: http://www.tiktok.com/kathinminerphd Dr. Miner's Instagram: http://ww.instagram.com/kathiminerphd For more information about narcissistic abuse, listen to SWW Data Points: Narcissistic Abuse (featuring Vanessa Reiser, LCSW): https://wondery.com/shows/something-was-wrong/episode/10716-data-points-narcissistic-abuse-featuring-vanessa-reiser-lcsw/ For further resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to Greenlight and Miraclemade for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget that you can sign up for Greenlight today and get your first month free when you go to greenlight.com/WCN. And don't forget to upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! Go to trymiracle.com/WCN and use the code WCN to claim your free three piece towel set and save over 40% off.
Content warning: sexual assault, rape, abduction, murder, and serial murder. Charlie Shunick is a Louisiana educator, co-victim of murder, and advocate for missing persons and their loved ones. The devastating mid-2012 disappearance and murder of her sister, Mickey, altered her life forever. Since then, it is Charlie's tenacious spirit that has carried her through and enabled her to use her voice for justice and ethical advocacy. Although the road has been difficult and at times, debilitating, Charlie has navigated the media, the criminal justice system, and the aftermath of losing her beloved sister, with incredible grace. The Broken Cycle Media team is so thankful that Charlie shares her twelve-year journey, and her incredible perspective of the true crime landscape since then. Sources: National Missing and Unidentified Persons System: Reports and Statistics. (n.d.). https://namus.nij.ojp.gov/library/reports-and-statistics Resources: Missed Australia: https://missed.org.au/ Shunick Missing Persons: https://www.shunickmp.com/ Resource Association for Missing People: https://ramissingpeople.org/ Texas Equusearch Search & Recover: https://texasequusearch.org/ National Missing and Unidentified Persons System: https://namus.nij.ojp.gov/ Charlie Shunick: Charlie's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/grrrlcharlie Shunick Missing Persons on TikTok: http://www.tiktok.com/shunickmissingpersons Shunick Missing Persons on Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/shunickmissingpersons For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Introducing a NEW investigation from the BBC's World of Secrets podcast: The Apartheid Killer. All the victims were black and the youngest was just 12 years old. Some relatives are still searching for the graves. They were killed during a three-year bloodbath in the 1980s, in the South African city of East London – by one person. He killed so many, he lost count. It has been 30 years since the white supremacist apartheid regime crumbled. The unresolved trauma of this time has cast a long shadow across a nation. In piecing together this story, the new season of World of Secrets exposes the disturbed past and racial injustices of South Africa itself. Search for World of Secrets, wherever you get your podcasts. World of Secrets is the BBC podcast about the stories they don't want told. Delve into a World of Secrets – major BBC global investigations and gripping storytelling. Holding the powerful to account and exposing scandals around the world.
Content warning: domestic violence, sibling abuse, cultic abuse, religious abuse, abortion, and mental illness. Mary Garden is a mother, educator, journalist, author, survivor, and advocate from New Zealand. She was born into a family with a great deal of history and many layers of generational trauma that normalized abusive behavior from as early as she can remember. However, it wasn't until escaping her family home, and eventually forging her own family, and healing through writing and speaking, that Mary truly began to understand the impact of her journey. The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful for Mary's advocacy, openness, and grace while discussing the ongoing tragedy of familial and sibling abuse. Mary's website: https://www.marygarden.com.au/ Mary's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/garden.mary My Father's Suitcase: A story of family secrets, abuse & betrayal - and breaking free https://www.marygarden.com.au/deliveries
Content warning: stalking, emotional abuse, mental abuse, suicidal ideation, sexual assault, and rape. Susanne Gold-Smith is a mother, creative, advocate, and survivor from New York. Her ability to transcend tragedy and prevail after heartache are defining characteristics apparent in each of her endeavors. However, her personal journey took a dark turn after she was allegedly stalked and sexually assaulted by a private investigator. The event would launch her down a precarious legal path and an onslaught of efforts to seek justice. All that continues to come next in Susanne's battle is a testament not only to her personal strength, but also to what the criminal justice system requires of victims. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful for her time, energy, and the advocacy she is curating by sharing and bringing awareness today. Susanne's website: https://www.susannegoldsmith.com/ Not This Time by Susanne Gold-Smith: https://youtu.be/e0trndqFhRI?feature=shared The Safe Center: https://www.tscli.org/ For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources Don't forget Ice Cold Case is available now. Listen for free on Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Content warning: stalking, emotional and mental abuse, suicidal ideation, sexual assault, and rape. Susanne Gold-Smith is a mother, creative, advocate, and survivor from New York. Her ability to transcend tragedy and prevail after heartache are defining characteristics apparent in each of her endeavors. However, her personal journey took a dark turn after she was allegedly stalked and sexually assaulted by a private investigator hired by her then-estranged husband's legal team. The event would launch her down a precarious legal path and an onslaught of efforts to seek justice. All that continues to come next in Susanne's battle is a testament not only to her personal strength, but also to what the criminal justice system requires of victims. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful for her time, energy, and the advocacy she is curating by sharing and bringing awareness today. Susanne's website: https://www.susannegoldsmith.com/ The Safe Center: https://www.tscli.org/ For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to Greenlight for sponsoring this episode. Sign up for Greenlight today and get your first month free when you go to greenlight.com/wcn.
Content warning: child-to-parent violence, sibling abuse, sexual assault, childhood sexual assault, and suicidal ideation. As shared in Part One of his updates, John-Michael Lander is a former Olympic-bound diver, actor, author, speaker, and advocate. His words and efforts have been seen everywhere from TIME magazine to the TED Talk stage; he has entitled his experiences of sexual abuse and trafficking “An Athlete's Silence.” By sharing his story on What Came Next Episode 22 entitled An Athlete's Silence and elsewhere, his goal is to bring awareness to predatory practices in the athletic and education worlds, as well as to change the way society receives sexual abuse victims. I am so honored he joined me AGAIN today to discuss updates in his journey. He also had the beautiful idea of flipping the script and host-swapping with Amy B. Chesler for this second part of these two episodes. The Broken Cycle Media deeply appreciates John-Michael's time, dedication to his advocacy, and for the creativity he is bringing to these episodes. John-Michael Lander: An Athlete's Silence: https://anathletessilence.com/ John-Michael's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnmichaellander WCN Episode 22 [John-Michael Lander] An Athlete's Silence: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/what-came-next/id1674051643?i=1000619765637 Amy B. Chesler: Keep Jesse Winnick in Prison: https://change.org/KEEPJESSEWINNICKINPRISON Working for Justice: One Family's Tale of Murder, Betrayal, & Healing https://amzn.to/42adAo7 Something Was Wrong Season 7: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/2dec880d-db88-4156-aa12-4f82dc496422/episodes/adb93563-71ee-484a-82a8-b74b74aec0c7/something-was-wrong-s7-e1-extreme-anger?ref=dm_sh_BeYRh06neVQMkqxYAAAP0lFnU Amy's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/amybchesler Free + Confidential resources: somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to Miracle Made for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget to upgrade your sleep with Miracle Maid. Just go to TryMiracle. com/WCN and use the code WCN to claim your free three piece towel set and to save over 40 percent off!
Episode *Content warning: extortion, sextortion, sexual extortion, sexual abuse, sexual assault, trafficking, sex trafficking, self-harm, suicidal ideation, and suicide. John-Michael Lander is a former Olympic-bound diver, actor, author, speaker, and advocate. His words and efforts have been seen everywhere from TIME magazine to the TED Talk stage; he has entitled his experiences of sexual abuse and trafficking “An Athlete's Silence.” By sharing his story on What Came Next Episode 22 entitled An Athlete's Silence and elsewhere, his goal is to bring awareness to predatory practices in the athletic and education worlds, as well as to change the way society receives sexual abuse victims. I am so honored he joined me again today to discuss updates in his journey. He also had the beautiful idea of flipping the script and host-swapping for the second part of the next two episodes. The Broken Cycle Media deeply appreciates John-Michael's time, dedication to advocacy, and for the creativity he is bringing to the next couple episodes. Resources: U.S. Sextortion Laws by State: https://www.bark.us/blog/sextortion-laws/ Sources: Gavin's Law. (n.d.). South Carolina Department of Education. Retrieved July 6, 2024, from https://ed.sc.gov/newsroom/strategic-engagement/gavins-law/ John-Michael Lander: An Athlete's Silence: https://anathletessilence.com/ John-Michael's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnmichaellander WCN Episode 22 [John-Michael Lander] An Athlete's Silence
Content Warning: emotional, mental, and physical abuse, narcissistic abuse, and mental illness. Vanessa Reiser is a licensed social worker, therapist, and an abuse survivor from New York. Her personal and professional histories have been deeply varied, but what remains to be constant are her tenacity and strength. She has reinvented herself and her path several times, but most especially after escaping an abusive relationship in 2020. Amidst all that came next for her, Vanessa has harnessed the media in all facets to curate healing and offer support to other survivors. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely thankful Vanessa was willing to share with us what she could about her transformative journey and all the awareness that's come from it. Sources: VanDerBell, B. (2022, March). How Common is Narcissistic Abuse in the United States? Pysch Central. https://psychcentral.com/health/how-common-is-narcissistic-abuse-in-the-united-states#prevalence Resources: Tell A Therapist: https://tellatherapist.net/ Vanessa's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/vanessareiserlcsw Vanessa's TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@vanessareiser Narcissistic Abuse Run: https://narcissisticabuserun.com/ National Domestic Violence Hotline: https://www.thehotline.org/
Content Warning: sexual assault, rape, violence, brutality, murder, and serial murder. Holly K. Dunn is an author, speaker, non-profit founder, and the sole survivor of a serial killer. As Holly began her junior year of college, she and her boyfriend Chris were attacked not far from Chris's fraternity party by a murderer who was dubbed The Railroad Killer. In the years that came next, Holly faced every facet of the criminal justice system, as well as her own grief journey, with immense grace. Since her attack and Chris's murder in 1997, Holly also began her own non-profit called Holly's House, released her book entitled Soul Survivor, and continues to advocated deeply for survivors across her state and the nation. The Broken Cycle Media team is immensely grateful for Holly's undying dedication to advocacy and carrying on Chris's memory. Resources: Holly's House: https://www.hollyshouse.org/ For more related non-profit organizations, visit: http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources Holly K. Dunn: Holly's website: http://www.hollykdunn.com/ Holly's book, Sole Survivor: http://www.hollykdunn.com/sole-survivor/ Holly's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hollykdunn Holly's Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hollykdunn/ Thank you again to Greenlight for sponsoring this episode! Don't forget to sign up for Greenlight today and get your first month free when you go to greenlight.com/wcn.
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