Podcast appearances and mentions of Saeed Jones

Welcome to Indulgence Gospel After Dark!We are Corinne Fay and Virginia Sole-Smith. These episodes are usually just for our Extra Butter membership tier — but today we're releasing this one to the whole list. So enjoy! (And if you love it, go paid so you don't miss the next one!) Episode 212 TranscriptCorinneToday is a family meeting episode. We're catching up on summer breaks, back to school, and a whole bunch of diet culture news stories that we've been wanting to discuss with you all.VirginiaWe're also remembering how to make a podcast, because we haven't recorded together in like six weeks. And it didn't start off great. But I think we're ready to go now.CorinneSomeone definitely said, “What day is it?”VirginiaIt's hard coming out of summer mode. I don't know if you feel that because you don't have kids, during back to school, but it is a culture shift.CorinneI don't think I feel the back to school thing as much, but I'm still in Maine, and it's actively fall. It's actively getting cold, and I'm just like, what is happening? I feel this pressure to do something, but I'm not sure what? Hibernate?Virginia“Should I buy a notebook? Should I be wearing fleece? I could go either way.” I don't know. It's weird. It is the start of fall. So we are moving into fall mindset. But like, don't rush me, you know? The dahlias bloom till first frost. That's my summer.CorinneSummer is so brief.VirginiaI'm having a lot of clothing feelings right now. I am not in a good place getting dressed, and it is for sure weather related, shoulder season-related. I'm in my annual conundrum of when do the Birkenstocks go away? When must our toes be covered for polite society? Am I showing arms? I just I don't even know how to get dressed. I hate all my clothes. Everything's terrible.CorinneI think this is part of what I'm feeling. I don't have enough warm clothes and I also don't want to buy another pair of sweatpants.VirginiaAnd you're traveling. So you're like, “I have warm clothes at home.” Didn't bring them because you didn't understand, even though you grew up in Maine and should remember that fall starts quite early there.CorinneI need to get it tattooed on my body. Bring a sweater, bring sweatpants.VirginiaWell, to be fair for this Maine trip, you were really focused on your sister's wedding. You had your nephew. You've had a lot going on.CorinneI was very focused on August, and really not thinking about September.VirginiaWill we even exist after? I mean, that's how it always is when you're gearing up for a big event, the post-event doesn't exist.And I don't know if you do the thing where you're like, well, I can deal with that after the big event. And then suddenly it's after the big event. You're like, well, now there's 47 things I need to deal with.CorinneI absolutely do that. Now I'm like, wait. How and when do I get back to New Mexico? Am I going back to New Mexico ever? In which case maybe I do need to buy sweatpants?VirginiaIt's so hard. Even without a wedding —I feel like all summer, because I have pretty skeleton childcare and I'm wanting to take time off, and it's a privilege that our job allows some flexibility like that, so when I get requests to, like, do a podcast, do a special thing. I'm like, “Talk to me in September. I can't do it this summer. Summer mode Virginia can't do anything extra!” And now I've just spent the week saying no to lots of things, because September me can't do it either. That was folly. I should have just said no the first time!That's one of those life lessons I'm always relearning that's really funny. If it's not an instant yes, it's a no. And I so often fall into the trap of it's not an instant yes, so let me kick that can down the curb a little bit, and then then I feel ruder because they come back and I'm like, no, I'm sorry. Actually, we were never going to do that.CorinneAs someone who's been on the other side of that where, like, I'll reach out to someone for the Style Questionnaire, and they'll be like, “Oh, can you ask me in two months?” And then when I reach out in two months, and they're like, “No.”VirginiaTotally. I'm on the other side of it all the time when we're booking podcast guests. So I'm completely aware of how shitty it feels. So I have a resolution. Summer Virginia just has to say no to things and not push it to Fall Virginia. Everyone hold me accountable next summer, because I'm so sorry to everybody I've said no to this week, but September is a real intense parenting month. There are just a lot of moving parts.I get 62 emails a day from the school. The middle school just announced back to school night will be tomorrow. They told us yesterday! One cool thing is, my older kid is in seventh grade now, so I no longer have to scramble for babysitters, which is a real achievement unlocked. Although she's going to realize at some point that she should increase her rates with me.CorinneOh, you pay her!VirginiaFor stuff where I'm going to be out of the house and need her to put her sister to bed. It's one thing, if I'm like, “I'm going to the store, you guys don't want to come.” Fine. You can doodle around at home. And it's not even really babysitting. She's going to ignore her the whole time. But I'm going to be out from 6 to 8pm tomorrow night. I need her to actually make sure her younger sibling gets in pajamas and brushes teeth and, moves towards bed. I'm not expecting them to be in bed when I get home, but I would like them to not be nowhere close.CorinneThat's really sweet.VirginiaPlus we have some big stuff in the works for both Burnt Toast and Big Undies, which we cannot discuss just yet. Yes, I am actively teasing it for you all.CorinneYou're going to bring that up now?! I feel like we should mention it at the end.VirginiaI think we can mention it whenever we feel like? I think they're probably like, “Why are they both doing reader surveys? What's going on?” And we can't say yet, but there's something going on, and it's also requiring a lot of our time and attention.CorinneWe're really busy. But I think it's going to be really good, and everyone's going to love it.VirginiaIn the meantime, though: What are we wearing? Real talk, what are we wearing to get through this weird it's not summer, it's not fall, it's some hybrid state. Are you still wearing open toed shoes? Sandals?CorinneNo, I'm not.VirginiaOkay. Should I stop, too?CorinneI mean, I'm only not because I'm cold. It depends on if you're cold. I also think now is kind of the perfect time for socks with sandals.VirginiaMost of my sandals are something between my toes style. CorinneOh, I was thinking, like, socks with Birkenstocks.VirginiaAh! I do have some of the two strap Birkenstocks, and I don't tend to wear them a lot in summer. Maybe I should experiment!CorinneI feel like, when you wear socks with the two strap Birkenstocks, they become really cozy.VirginiaI don't wear them a lot in summer because I don't have particularly wide feet, and they're a little wide on me. But the sock would solve for that! And they would be cozy… all right, I'm going to experiment with this, as part of my shoulder season style.CorinneI'm still figuring out my fall must haves, which is one of my favorite topics. Although I will say I feel like this year I've seen a lot of people posting like, “I don't want to hear about back to school, or I don't want to hear about fall fashion.”VirginiaI have terrible news for people about this podcast. CorinneI feel it's very light hearted. It could be literally anything like, who cares? We are entering fall, so…VirginiaTime is passing.CorinneI am getting cold. I do want to put on socks with my sandals and sweatshirts.VirginiaTrigger warning for anyone who is not available for a fall fashion conversation.CorinneMaybe by the time this comes out, people will be ready.I know this is like florals for spring, but I'm feeling for fall… brown pants.VirginiaWait, what? You're blowing my mind? You've been feeling brown for a little while. CorinneBrown has been ramping up. I'm wearing brown pants right now.VirginiaIs it one of your colors, as a true spring?CorinneWell, I do think there are definitely some camels. And I think brown is preferable to black. So I'm thinking brown pants instead of black pants.VirginiaOh, I don't even know what I'm thinking about pants. I'm thinking frustration with pants. I have my one pair of jeans that I reliably wear. I think I need to order another pair in case they stop making them. I'm at a scarcity mindset point with those Gap jeans. I mean, they aren't going to stop making them. They've had them for years, but I just feel like I need an insurance policy.CorinneDo you fit other Gap pants, or just the jeans?VirginiaI only buy that one pair of jeans. I mean, I generally try not to shop at the Gap because they do not have a plus size section.CorinneBut they do have some really cute stuff.VirginiaIt's gross though! Make it bigger.CorinneIf it fits you, maybe you should buy it.VirginiaCorinne is like, “Or counterpoint, don't take a stand.”CorinneI'm always sending links to my straight-size sister for stuff at the Gap that I think she should buy.VirginiaThey do have some really cute stuff, but it infuriates me that Old Navy can make plus sizes, and Gap cannot, and Banana Republic really cannot. It's just like, hello, class system, capitalism. It's so revolting.CorinneOh, my God. Do you know what else I'm feeling outraged about? I went thrift shopping here a couple weeks ago, and I found some vintage Land's End that was in sizes that they don't make anymore.VirginiaWow, that's rude.CorinneIt was a 4X! So they used to be way more 26/28 or 28/30. So they also, at some point, kind of cut back.VirginiaThey do, at least legitimately have a section called plus size, though.CorinneThey do, but it clearly used to be bigger.VirginiaNo, no, no. I'm not saying it's great. I am wearing my favorite joggers a lot, because I think I'm really resisting the shift back to hard pants.CorinneHow do you feel about trousers, like a pleated trouser kind of pant?VirginiaIs that comfortable for working from home? A pleated trouser?CorinneWell, I feel like they're comfortable because they're kind of baggy but narrower at the bottom, you know?VirginiaI do love a tapered ankle. I also unpaused my Nuuly. And I did get a blue corduroy pair of pants from them that it hasn't been quite cold enough to wear because shoulder seasons. Corduroy, to me is like a real like we are fully in cold weather fabric. And when it's 50 in the morning, but 75 by lunchtime, am I going to be hot in corduroys? I guess I should just start wearing them and see.CorinneAre they jeans style? VirginiaThey're slightly cropped so that's another reason to wear them now, while I can still have bare ankles. They're slightly cropped and slightly flared, and they're like a royal blue corduroy.They're Pilcro, which is an Anthropologie brand and I know we feel gross about Anthropologie. But when it comes to pants, I think Corinne is saying we can't have moral stances because pants are so hard to find. Other things, yes.CorinneIt's just hard.VirginiaI'm not excited about clothes right now. I want to feel more excited. Maybe I need to think about what my fall must haves are. Maybe I need to make a pin board or something.CorinneI think that's a good idea. Is there anything you're feeling excited about? I remember the last episode you were talking about those Imbodhi pants.VirginiaOh yeah. They've really become lounge around the house pants, and they're great, but they're very thin. Imbodhi feels like a brand you could not wear once it gets cold.Although, the jumpsuit I have from them in periwinkle—which does feel like a very summery color to me—I also got black. And over the summer it felt a little too black jumpsuit. It felt like too formal or something. But I've been enjoying it as a transition piece. I am still wearing it with sandals. I think it would look cute with maybe my Veja sneakers, though, and then layering over my denim shirt from Universal Standard, like open over it.I'm glad we're talking about this, because that's what I'm going to wear to back to school night tomorrow night, which is a high pressure dressing occasion.CorinneI can see that.VirginiaYou don't want to look like you tried too hard, but you also don't want to look like you came in pajamas. Lots of yoga moms, a lot of pressure. Okay, I'm going to wear that black jumpsuit. I'm glad we talked about that. That's been a good transition piece.CorinneYeah, okay, well, speaking of transitions, I want to ask you about something else. Are you familiar with the Bechdel Test?VirginiaYes.CorinneDon't you think we should have a Bechdel test for anti-fatness? And/or diets? Like, does this piece of culture have a fat character who's not the bad guy, or on a weight loss journey, or being bullied for their size?VirginiaOohhh… OK, so what would our terms be? They can't be the fat villain.CorinneWell, I feel like there's one list for anti fatness, and one would be a piece of culture or whatever that doesn't discuss dieting or weight loss. And I don't know if it should all be one under one Bechdel test umbrella, or if it should be two different tests.VirginiaI feel like it's related. Wait, I need to look up the actual Bechdel Test criteria.CorinneIt's like, does the movie have two female characters talking about something other than a man.VirginiaThe work must feature at least two women.They must talk to each other. And their conversation must be about something other than a man.I was just watching Your Friends and Neighbors, that new John Hamm show about super rich people stealing from each other, and it's very entertaining, but it fails the Bechdel test so dramatically. It's got Amanda Peet in it! She's so smart and funny, and all she does is talk about her ex husband and how much she loves him. And I'm just like, fail, fail, fail. Anyway, okay, I love this idea.CorinneSo it's like, does it have a fat character?VirginiaWait, I think it should have more than one fat character.CorinneThat bar is too high. I feel like we have to be able to name something that passes the test. And what are we calling the test? The Burnt Toast Test?VirginiaWe can workshop names in the comments.CorinneWe need a famous fat person to name it after, maybe.VirginiaWell, I guess Allison Bechdel named it after herself. So it could be the Fay test, because you did this. The Corinne Fay test.CorinneOh, God.So it has to have one fat character, they have to talk about something other than weight loss, and they can't be the villain.VirginiaI would like them not to be the sidekick, too. I think it's a central fat character.CorinneCan we name anything that passes?VirginiaShrill by Lindy West. And Too Much. Well, Lena Dunham doesn't totally pass the Bechdel Test, but she passes the fat test.CorinneSee, it gets very complicated. This is intersectionality!VirginiaWe strive for an intersectional world where the shows pass all the tests. This is such an interesting topic. I love this.CorinneI was also thinking about it because on my drive out, I read two of these Vera Stanhope mysteries. Have you read any of these?VirginiaI have not.CorinneThe main detective woman is fat, and I feel like it' mostly fine. Like, 90% of the time they're just talking about her, she's fat, and she's sloppy. She's a sloppy fat person. And then, like, occasionally, there'll be like, a sentence or two where I'm like, Ooh, I didn't like that.VirginiaIt's so deflating when you have something that's seeming good, and then it takes a turn on you real fast.CorinneSo would that pass the the fat Bechdel Test? Or whatever? Probably would.VirginiaBecause it's as good as we can get.CorinneShe's the main character and not talking about dieting, really.VirginiaYeah, wait, so where does it fall apart for you?CorinneI should have brought an example, but I feel like occasionally there will be narration about her, and it's suddenly like, “her body was disgusting,” you know? VirginiaOh God! I was thinking she maybe lumbered, or she sat heavily, or something. And you're like—CorinneYes. She sat heavily, that kind of thing. And I'm like, okay, sure.But occasionally there's just a twinge where I'm like, oh, you do kind of hate fat people.VirginiaI would then like that author to read Laura Lippman's work. Because Laura Lippman—regular Burnt Toasty! Hi, Laura!—has been doing such good work as a thin author to really work on her fat representation. And I just read Murder Takes a Vacation, which is one of Laura's most recent novels, and it's such a good read. Her protagonist, Mrs. Blossom, I believe was previously a side character in other novels who now has her own book. And the way she writes about body stuff in there is like… Laura's been doing the work. She's been really doing the work. It for sure, passes the Fay Fat Test.CorinneThat's awesome.VirginiaSo everyone check that out. And I would like Ann Cleeves to be reading Laura Lippman.Should we talk about airplanes? Are you in a safe space to talk about airplane feelings?CorinneSure. Yes.VirginiaCorinne was just quoted in The Washington Post, which is very exciting, alongside Tigress Osborne, friend of the show, Executive Director of NAAFA, about how Southwest Airlines is changing their passenger of size policy. Do you want to brief us on what's happening there?CorinneSo Southwest has had a policy in which a “customer of size,” meaning a person who doesn't fit between two plane arm rests, can book two seats and be refunded for the second seat. Or you could show up at the airport day of, and ask for two seats. And not have to pay up front and then be refunded.And in the past couple of months, this policy has somehow gotten really wobbly. I've heard all these anecdotal stories about people showing up at the airport and having Southwest tell them, “You're not going to be able to do this anymore.” Like, don't expect to show up and be able to book a second seat. You need to do it in advance. Blah, blah, blah.Now Southwest has come out and said they're changing the policy. They're also implementing assigned seating, which they didn't used to have. So going forward, you are going to have to book two seats in advance, and you will only be refunded if there are empty seats on the plane. Which, when are there ever empty seats?VirginiaThere are never empty seats on the plane? Never happens.I don't understand, because you needed two seats before, you still need two seats. So why does it matter whether there's an empty seat or not? My brain breaks trying to follow the logic.CorinneI think the logic says like they could have sold the second seat to someone else.VirginiaBut then they're not selling seats that work for people who are paying money to be there. Like, they're taking your money, but if you can't fit on the plane, then they just took your money. It's so shady,CorinneAnd people who don't need a whole seat don't pay less.VirginiaOver the age of two, your children do not get discounts for the fact that, they are using a third of a seat. You pay the same price for a child. CorinneYep. It's really sad, and it's making life harder and sadder for a lot of people.VirginiaI'm curious if another airline will step up on this. I think NAAFA has been doing a good job of making noise about this. I think people are putting pressure on them. It will be interesting if someone else realizes this is like a marketing opportunity.CorinneI think, they absolutely will not.VirginiaWell, I'm not naive enough to think someone would do it just because it's the right thing to do. But I'm hoping maybe one of Southwest's direct competitors would realize it's an opportunity.CorinneBut I think that Southwest previously was the that airline. I think they were using that to their advantage, and now I think they've just been like, “It's not worth it.” I think Alaska has the same policy where you can book two seats, and then if there is an empty seat, they'll refund it.VirginiaWell that's great because Alaska flies so many places, people need to go.CorinneWell, if you're in the if you're in the part of the country where I live, they do! But.VirginiaOh! That's good to know.CorinneI think they're more on a competition level with Southwest versus like United or something, right? I don't think United or Delta even has a customer of size policy.VirginiaThey've never cared.CorinneThere's no way to even book a second ticket for yourself, even if you want to just straight up pay for it.VirginiaIt leaves you the option of figuring out if you can afford business class to have a bigger seat. And that makes flying so much more expensive.CorinneRight? And it's also just like, does business class fit everyone? Probably not.VirginiaWell, we're mad about that, but I did, like seeing you in the Washington Post article saying smart things. So thank you. Thanks your advocacy.Let's see what else has been going on… The Guardian had this interesting piece, which I'm quoted in a little bit, by Andrea Javor. She's articulating something I've seen a few people starting to talk about, which is the experience of being on Ozempic and not losing weight from it.And I think this is an interesting kind of under the radar piece of the whole GLP1s discourse. Some folks are non-responders, whether because they stay on a lower dose by choice, and it improves their numbers, but they don't really lose weight, or some folks just don't really lose weight on it. Her piece really articulates her feelings of shame and failure that this thing that's supposed to be a silver bullet didn't work for her.CorinneWhen I started reading the piece, I was extremely confused, because the the author has diabetes, but type one diabetes, and these drugs don't help with type one diabetes. She eventually goes on it, just for weight loss. So what it didn't work for was weight loss, And I think it actually may have ended up helping with her, like A1C, and stuff. I agree that it does a good job of looking at the feelings that come along with that. And I do think, this does happen, and it's not being talked about as as much as it's happening probably.VirginiaIt feels important to highlight it in this moment where we have Serena Williams talking, about her husband's telehealth company and promoting her use of GLP1s. And we had a great chat on Substack chat about the whole Serena Williams of it all. So I won't rehash that whole discourse here. I also think that's a conversation where I want to hear from Black women. Chrissy King wrote an incredible piece. I also really appreciated the conversation that Sam Sanders, Zach Stafford and Saeed Jones had on Vibe Check about it. So, I don't need to get into Serena's personal choices. But it does mean, we have another huge, very admired celebrity pushing into the conversation again to say, “This is this magic trick. This is the thing I was always looking for. It finally worked for me” And we are all vulnerable to that messaging. So it's important to read stories like this one and understand oh, it really doesn't actually work for everybody. Setting aside whether we think people should be pursuing weight loss, this isn't necessarily going to be guaranteed, amazing results. CorinneAnother interesting article that I thought maybe would want to mention is the the one in The Cut about ARFID.VirginiaThis was a great cover story in New York Magazine. The headline is The Monster at the Dinner Table, and it's basically just encapsulating that ARFID has really been on the rise in recent years, and I think a lot of that is just because now we know what it is and we can diagnose it.But it did include a pretty interesting discussion of what causes kids to lose the instinct to eat, what things get in the way of it. Like, it can be trauma, it can be a feature of autism. It can be a choking experience, all sorts of different things.CorinneARFID is one of those conditions that I feel like I barely knew about before TikTok, and then I've just seen so much stuff about it on Tiktok.VirginiaIt only became a diagnosis in 2013, so it's very, very new. My kiddo would have been diagnosed with it, if it was more fully in the vernacular at that point, but it wasn't. So we were just told it was a “pediatric feeding disorder” type of thing. But it was very vague.I think it's great it's getting more attention. Both for kids and adults. It can be such a source of anxiety and shame for parents. It is so much work. It is very difficult, and it's harder than it should be because of diet culture, because of all the pressure put on parents to feed our kids certain ways. The backlash against ultraprocessed foods is really not helping anyone navigate ARFID. I can't underscore that enough, really not helping. No one needs to feel shame about your kid living on chicken nuggets or frozen burritos or whatever it is.CorinneThe amount of stigma against people who eat certain ways is nuts.VirginiaIt's nuts and it's sad.CorinneYeah it's socially isolating.VirginiaIt is harder to share, right? It's very socially isolating, and it's sad for the people around them. Anytime you're navigating eating together with someone with food restrictions, it does create barriers and extra work and more you have to navigate.But if we didn't have that layer of stigma over it, where it's like, it's probably the mom's fault, if only they like more whole foods at home, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, if we didn't have all of that, you could focus just on the logistics are hard enough. You don't need the shame.So many sad topics. Airlines are terrible. Virginia doesn't have any clothes to wear. ARFID is sad. Do we have anything to bring it up?CorinneWell, our exciting news? VirginiaOh, right! We are working on some very fun things.It is exciting to think about new directions that Burnt Toast and Big Undies are going in. So stay tuned. Don't worry, it's not a reality TV show.ButterVirginiaOkay, my Butter is adjacent to the wardrobe frustration conversation. Which is: I have started cutting the collars off a lot of my shirts.To back up: Last month, I'm on vacation in Cape Cod with my sister, and she comes down looking extremely cute. She's wearing a graphic tee tucked into a long maxi skirt. And I was like, “This whole thing is delightful. What's happening here?” And she was like, “Well, this shirt was actually too small for me, but I realized if I just cut the collar off it, it opened up the neck enough that then the shirt, the whole shirt fit better.” And she could still wear this cute shirt. And she said she got the idea from watching Somebody Somewhere, because Bridgett Everett cuts the collars off all her shirts.CorinneOh yes! That was my signature look when I was 18. A Hanes T-shirt with the collar cut off.VirginiaI'm dressing like 18-year-old Corinne, and I'm here for it! But I've realized, frequently a place that something doesn't fit me is my neck. I've talked about feelings about chins and necks. I have many complicated feelings about chins and necks. This is one place where my fatness sits. So the shirt might otherwise fit okay, but it doesn't fit my neck, and then it feels tight and it's a miserable feeling. So at the end of our trip, I wanted to buy a Cape Cod sweatshirt, because there were some really cute sweatshirts. But they were not size inclusive. So I was like, can I make this extra large work? And it was a little small, but I cut the collar off, and now it's okay.And then I did it with my old Harris Walz T-shirt from the election. It was a cute stripe. I just really liked the stripe. And I was like, Oh, I could still wear this if I get the collar off it. And a couple other things. I've just been, like, cutting collars off shirts that are uncomfortable. I'm into it!CorinneI think that's a great Butter. I'm into any kind of clothes modification that will make you wear stuff that you wouldn't otherwise wear.VirginiaIt was a good solution for a couple of things in my closet that I did like, but I was not reaching for. And now I'll use them again. And the key I figured out, because I experimented with a couple ways to cut it, is really just cut right along the seam of the sewed on collar. You might think that's going to not open it up enough, but it will stretch once you start wearing it. you could always cut more if you needed to, but that seems to have done it for me.CorinneOkay, well, I want to recommend a recipe, and I feel like I possibly mentioned this before. I'm staying with my mom, and we've been making this recipe from the New York Times called stuffed zucchini, and it's a really good recipe for if you have a surplus of zucchini, which a lot of people do this time of year. You kind of scoop out the middle of a zucchini and then mix some of that together with, like, sausage, tomatoes, basil, and then put it back in the zucchini and bake it with, like, some crispy breadcrumbs, and it's so good. I can literally, eat a whole zucchini in one sitting. Highly recommend.VirginiaThat sounds amazing. All right. Well, that makes me a little more excited about the season.CorinneYeah, it is a very good time of year for eating. We should have talked more about food maybe?VirginiaThat is a good point. Our tomatoes in the garden are going gangbusters. I've made some great sauces. I'm having a lot of cheese and tomato sandwiches. toasted and not toasted. Delightful.Well, this was a good family meeting catch up. I think we've covered a lot of ground. I'm excited to hear what folks are feeling about their dressing issues, and airlines, all the stuff we got into today.The Burnt Toast Podcast is produced and hosted by Virginia Sole-Smith (follow me on Instagram) and Corinne Fay, who runs @SellTradePlus, and Big Undies—subscribe for 20% off!The Burnt Toast logo is by Deanna Lowe.Our theme music is by Farideh.Tommy Harron is our audio engineer.Thanks for listening and for supporting anti-diet, body liberation journalism!. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit virginiasolesmith.substack.com/subscribe

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The People's Project by Maggie Smith and Saeed Jones is a carefully curated collection of poetry, essays and art from some of our greatest voices. Maggie and Saeed join us to chat about finding community in poetry, the challenge of vulnerability, using metaphor as a tool, writing across genres and more with host Miwa Messer. This episode of Poured Over was hosted by Miwa Messer and mixed by Harry Liang.                     New episodes land Tuesdays and Thursdays (with occasional Saturdays) here and on your favorite podcast app. Featured Books (Episode): The People's Project by Maggie Smith and Saeed Jones Dear Writer by Maggie Smith How We Fight for Our Lives by Saeed Jones You Could Make This Place Beautiful by Maggie Smith Generations by Lucille Clifton Prelude to Bruise by Saeed Jones Blood Dazzler by Patricia Smith  

Maggie Smith and Saeed Jones join us this week on the Stacks to discuss their anthology, The People's Project: Poems, Essays, and Art for Looking Forward. With original work from twenty-seven authors exploring hope in times of difficulty, Maggie and Saeed discuss what inspired them to start the book and how they picked contributors for this project. We also spend some time sharing what keeps us from falling into despair before giving superlatives to the different works in The People's Project.For the month of September, the Stacks Book Club will be reading The Lilac People by Milo Todd. We will discuss the book on Wednesday, September 24th with Denne Michele Norris returning as our guest.You can find everything we discuss on today's show on The Stacks' website:https://www.thestackspodcast.com/2025/9/10/ep-388-maggie-smith-saeed-jonesConnect with Saeed: Instagram | BlueSky | WebsiteConnect with Maggie: Instagram | Facebook | Twitter | WebsiteConnect with The Stacks: Instagram | Twitter | Shop | Patreon | Goodreads | Substack | SubscribeSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week, Liberty and Vanessa discuss Play Nice, The Macabre, Grave Flowers, and more great books! Subscribe to All the Books! using RSS, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify and never miss a book. Sign up for the weekly New Books! newsletter for even more new book news. Ready for a cozy, bookish autumn? Let Tailored Book Recommendations help you find your next favorite read with handpicked suggestions from professional book nerds. Get started today from just $18! This content contains affiliate links. When you buy through these links, we may earn an affiliate commission. Books Discussed On the Show: Play Nice by Rachel Harrison The Macabre by Kosoko Jackson Middle Spoon by Alejandro Varela Grave Flowers by Autumn Krause You Weren't Meant to Be Human by Andrew Joseph White The Most Unusual Haunting of Edgar Lovejoy by Roan Parrish Detective Beans: Adventures in Cat Town by Li Chen The People's Project: Poems, Essays, and Art for Looking Forward by Saeed Jones, Maggie Smith For a complete list of books discussed in this episode, visit our website. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Recorded by Saeed Jones for Poem-a-Day, a series produced by the Academy of American Poets. Published on August 5, 2025. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.poets.org

We're on vacation, so please enjoy this very special episode of the Vibe Check podcast, featuring former Forever35 guest Sam Sanders and his co-hosts Saeed Jones and Zach Stafford. We'll be back with a fresh mini-ep on Wednesday!On this episode of Vibe Check, Sam, Saeed, and Zach reflect on what life has taught them in the past month. Then, they talk about the state of Americana. Plus, a few recommendations to keep your vibe right.To leave a voicemail or text for a future episode, reach Doree & Elise at 781-591-0390. You can also email the podcast at forever35podcast@gmail.com.Visit forever35podcast.com for links to everything they mention on the show or visit shopmyshelf.us/forever35.Follow the podcast on Instagram (@Forever35Podcast) and sign up for the newsletter at forever35podcast.com/newsletter. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Poet and Kirkus Prize winner Saeed Jones unpacks his newest collection Alive at the End of the World and why Billie Holiday had a bone to pick with Maya Angelou; writer Silvia Moreno-Garcia (Mexican Gothic) explains how her love of horror at a young age found its way into her latest book The Daughter of Doctor Moreau; and indie folk duo The Lowest Pair perform "Pear Tree" from their first record 36 Cents. Plus, host Luke Burbank and announcer Elena Passarello discuss our strange childhood obsessions.

In this Black History Month special episode, former U.S. Poet Laureate Tracy K. Smith discusses her memoir To Free the Captives, which looks to uncover Black strength, continuance, and community by looking back at her own family's history; poet Saeed Jones (Alive at the End of the World) unpacks the backstories behind some of his poems involving Billie Holiday, Maya Angelou, and Luther Vandross; and Ethio-Jazz musician Meklit performs the song, “I Want to Sing for Them All” as a tribute to her musical influences.

In today's special bonus episode, we're offering some counterprogramming to the inauguration with a discussion of Toni Morrison's lecture, “Goodness: Altruism and the Literary Imagination.” Saeed Jones joins us to explore Morrison's thoughts on how goodness sustains itself in the face of evil and what it means to lean into our own goodness as we move into 2025 and beyond.The Stacks Book Club pick for January is The Ministry of Time by Kaliane Bradley. We will discuss the book on January 29th with J Wortham returning as our guest.You can find everything we discuss on today's show on The Stacks' website:https://thestackspodcast.com/2025/1/20/bonus-Saeed-JonesConnect with Saeed: Instagram | Twitter | Bluesky | Threads | Vibe Check | SubstackConnect with The Stacks: Instagram | Twitter | Shop | Patreon | Goodreads | Substack | SubscribeInclusive Action for the City Fundraiser | Ways to Help with Fire ReliefSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Smart strategies that emerged from a brutal year. Sam Sanders is an award-winning reporter, radio host and podcaster. He co-hosts the podcast Vibe Check with Zach Stafford and Saeed Jones. He also currently hosts The Sam Sanders Show from KCRW. Check out the album he mentioned in the episode, Caroline Rose's The Art of Forgetting. This is part 2 in a 3-part series we're running on grief.In this episode we talk about:The fact that there is no right way to deal with grief The value of feeling your feelings — even though it sucks Why it can be helpful to take breaks from your grief without guiltThe importance of joy and play The changing nature of griefWhat it means to be “anointed” by griefAnd what it looks like to maintain a relationship with someone even after they've diedRelated Episodes:How (and Why) to Hug Your Inner Dragons | Richard SchwartzKryptonite for the Inner Critic | Kristin NeffThe Voice in Your Head | Ethan Kross Jonathan Van Ness on Shame, Shopping, Bodies, and HopeSign up for Dan's weekly newsletter hereFollow Dan on social: Instagram, TikTokTen Percent Happier online bookstoreSubscribe to our YouTube ChannelOur favorite playlists on: Anxiety, Sleep, Relationships, Most Popular EpisodesFull Shownotes: https://www.tenpercent.com/tph/podcast-episode/sam-sanders-873See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lucy Jane Wood's debut book, Rewitched, is out, and we connected to talk all things cozy, witchcraft, all the different 90s witches in pop culture, and the big feelings around turning an age with a zero on the end. Ultimately, this is a book about a person who wants to keep her own power – a theme I could certainly celebrate!Lucy Jane is also a TikToker and YouTuber with a sizeable following, so we also talk about her best practices for social media as a creator and author.You can find Lucy Jane Wood online on Instagram, YouTube, and TikTok.We also mentioned:Saeed Jones on BlueSky: ” The first draft of a piece of creative writing is a radical act. It literally defies capitalism. You're doing it for the LOVE. You're risking possibility.The blank page isn't the canvas. The canvas is the first draft. Get it all down, then get to work. Joyful rigor. LET'S GO!”Lucy Jane Wood on Tiktok: “Meg Ryan Core”Music: purple-planet.com Join our Patreon for complete mayhem, shenanigans, and more! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Lucy Jane Wood's debut book, Rewitched, is out, and we connected to talk all things cozy, witchcraft, all the different 90s witches in pop culture, and the big feelings around turning an age with a zero on the end. Ultimately, this is a book about a person who wants to keep her own power – a theme I could certainly celebrate!Lucy Jane is also a TikToker and YouTuber with a sizeable following, so we also talk about her best practices for social media as a creator and author.You can find Lucy Jane Wood online on Instagram, YouTube, and TikTok.We also mentioned:Saeed Jones on BlueSky: ” The first draft of a piece of creative writing is a radical act. It literally defies capitalism. You're doing it for the LOVE. You're risking possibility.The blank page isn't the canvas. The canvas is the first draft. Get it all down, then get to work. Joyful rigor. LET'S GO!”Lucy Jane Wood on Tiktok: “Meg Ryan Core”Music: purple-planet.com Join our Patreon for complete mayhem, shenanigans, and more! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Each Sunday, TED shares an episode of another podcast we think you'll love, handpicked for you… by us. Today we're sharing a special collaboration with Vibe Check, a podcast hosted by Sam Sanders, Saeed Jones, and Zach Stafford. Sam and Zach talk to Elise about her new book, “Flawless: Lessons in Looks and Culture from the K-Beauty Capital”. Elise gave her thoughts on body modification, digital culture setting beauty standards, and more. Then, tune in for a TED Talk from Lindsey Kite about how body image obsession can impact mental health.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Each Sunday, TED shares an episode of another podcast we think you'll love, handpicked for you… by us. Today we're sharing a special collaboration with Vibe Check, a podcast hosted by Sam Sanders, Saeed Jones, and Zach Stafford. Sam and Zach talk to Elise about her new book, “Flawless: Lessons in Looks and Culture from the K-Beauty Capital”. Elise gave her thoughts on body modification, digital culture setting beauty standards, and more. Then, tune in for a TED Talk from Lindsey Kite about how body image obsession can impact mental health. 

The far-right made gains in European Union parliamentary elections this past weekend. The Washington Post's Emily Rauhala analyzes what the results mean. Then, the Supreme Court still has more than a dozen major cases outstanding with less than three weeks before its typical July 1 deadline for announcing decisions. Law professor Stephen Vladeck explains why the court is saving the biggest opinions until the end. And, the empire that hip-hop mogul Diddy, or Sean Combs, has built since the 1990s is crumbling. "Vibe Check" hosts Sam Sanders, Zach Stafford and Saeed Jones, talk about the allegations surrounding Combs.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

Join your hosts Katherine and Shelbi to explore the impact of time on our daily lives, and how to make time for everything we want and need to do.Making Time for What MattersDiving into the science behind how our brains perceive time and space (referencing Denise John, PhD's ​​How to Slow Down Time, based on Cognitive neuroscientist Martin Wiener, PhD's studies)Reflections on how time feels for us right now, along with embracing what can realistically get done in a day and what can be optimized to support this better Leaning into spending time on relationships that stimulate the mind, assigning cadences to communication with friends (referencing @sundaskhalidd's Thread), and traveling to see friends and family to savor the value of in-person time and gain context through their environmentProtecting Our Greatest CommodityLessons learned in protecting time from others by disappearing (referencing Stars and Stars with Isa featuring Saeed Jones), but also keeping time wide open for your closest peopleRelieving ourselves of the pressure to be constantly available and constantly out and about, in service of spending time on what feels worthwhileLocking in with discipline and rituals to drive our desires forward, versus relying on dopamine-fueled (but short-lived) momentum from moments that give instant gratification When the Work is Not WorkingAssessing chronotypes to understand our bodies' preferences for sleep and how this impacts when we work and reset (referencing Sleep Foundation's overview of chronotypes)Rewinding the clock to reflect on early education and work experiences, the tension between personal work style and the expectations of larger institutions, and knowing when to cut the cordTaking the time to dilly dally as a form of being present with ourselves and others, whether it's on the street or casually hosting at home (referencing Kurt Vonnegut's 2005 PBS interview, and Jancee Dunn's February 2024 article, Why Don't Adults Hang Out Anymore? How Friendship Benefits Us. - The New York Times)Question of the Week:How does your relationship with time feel right now, and what do you think needs to be further supported or shifted?You can email us at tablepancakespod@gmail.com and leave us a voice memo here. We'd also love it if you'd rate, review, and subscribe to the show!Join the Table Pancakes Community on IG: @tablepancakespodStay in touch with us: @shelbihq & @katherinehfoster Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Poet, writer, and podcast host Saeed Jones is a Sagittarius Sun, Taurus Moon, and Libra Rising. Our host, Isa Nakazawa, leads Saeed to reflect on how his seemingly opposing appetite for life and tendency to turn inward harmoniously meet in his Sagittarius, or what Saeed calls the “party hermit.” Also, Saeed's Venus in Scorpio has influenced his pursuit of intense experiences, sometimes confusing dangerous passion for depth. Finally, Saeed satiates his Moon in Taurus through his home, where he's created a sanctuary for life, work, and play in Columbus, Ohio.

Zach Stafford is a journalist, podcast host and producer whose wide-ranging work explores pop culture, queer joy and loss, and police brutality among other issues. Today, Zach is co-creator and co-host of Vibe Check, an original podcast in our Stitcher family, which he leads with fellow journalist Sam Sanders and writer Saeed Jones. Zach has also recently earned a Tony for his co-production of the Broadway musical A Strange Loop, which also won a Pulitzer Prize in drama. Isa Nakazawa discusses Zach's Pisces sun, Pisces moon, and Leo rising, and how together, they allow him to ride the in-between spaces and identities that can't be contained nor easily defined.

The hosts of the podcast Vibe Check (Sam Sanders, Saeed Jones, and Zach Stafford) share the songs that make them feel okay.  _ If you have anxiety, depression or any sense of the world around you, you know that not *everything* is going to be okay. In fact, many things aren't okay and never will be! But instead of falling into the pit of despair, we're bringing you a little OK for your day. Every weekday, we'll bring you one okay thing to help you start, end or endure your day with the opposite of a doom scroll. Created and hosted by Nora McInerny. Find Nora's weekly newsletter here. _ Share your OK thing at 612.568.4441 or by emailing IGTBO@feelingsand.co. _ The IGTBO team is Nora McInerny, Claire McInerny, Marcel Malekebu, Amanda Romani and Grace Barry. _ The transcript for this episode can be found here. Find all our shows and our store at www.feelingsand.co.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

*Patreon- and Substack-only bonus episode teaser*If you've ever felt like you didn't "get it" when it comes to poetry, The Stacks is here for a little poetry therapy featuring five spectacular poets breaking down their favorite poems. We are joined by José Olivarez, Morgan Parker, Saeed Jones, Nate Marshall and Gabrielle Bates. Each has selected a poem to read with Traci; then they discuss what they notice, how it works, and why it excites them. This episode is for folks who love poetry, those who cower in fear, and everyone in between. *This episode is exclusive to members of The Stacks Pack on Patreon and our Substack subscribers. To join a community, get inside access to the show, and listen now, click the link below.JOIN PATREON OR SUBSTACK TO LISTENYou can find everything we discuss on today's show on The Stacks' website:https://thestackspodcast.com/2024/04/19/tsu-33-poetry-therapyConnect with José: Instagram | Twitter | Website | SubstackConnect with Morgan: Instagram | Twitter | WebsiteConnect with Saeed: Instagram | Twitter | Website | SubstackConnect with Nate: Instagram | Website | SubstackConnect with Gabrielle: Instagram | Twitter | WebsiteConnect with The Stacks: Instagram | Twitter | Shop | Patreon | Goodreads | Substack | SubscribeSUPPORT THE STACKSJoin The Stacks Pack on PatreonPurchasing books through Bookshop.org or Amazon earns The Stacks a small commission.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week, Emily Bazelon, John Dickerson, and David Plotz discuss Special Counsel Robert Hur's description of President Joe Biden; House Republicans' impeachment of DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas and refusal on Ukraine aid; and Democrat Tom Suozzi's win in the New York congressional special election. And in Slate Plus, Emily, John, and David talk local news with reporter Ellie Wolfe.    Here are some notes and references from this week's show: Matt Viser and Tyler Pager for The Washington Post: Biden responds angrily to special counsel report questioning his memory and Marianne LeVine: Trump says he'd disregard NATO treaty, urge Russian attacks on U.S. allies Politico Magazine: What Biden Needs to Do to Reassure the Public Elena Moore for NPR: Biden's campaign gives in and joins TikTok. Blame the youngs Mike Lillis and Mychael Schnell for The Hill: Lawmakers scramble for Plan B on Ukraine Jake Tapper for CNN: Marco Rubio reacts to Trump threatening NATO country to ‘pay up' Zack Beauchamp for Vox: The moral and strategic case for arming Ukraine Joshua Matz, Michael J. Gerhardt, Amit Jain, and Laurence H. Tribe for Just Security: Why and How the Senate Should Swiftly Dismiss the Impeachment Charges Against Mayorkas Nate Cohn for The New York Times: Not an Ordinary Special Election, and Yet a Typical Result and Carl Hulse: How Senate Democrats Flipped the Border Issue on Republicans Here are this week's chatters: Emily: American Fiction; Sam Sanders, Nadira Goffe, and Stephen Metcalf for the Slate Culture Gabfest podcast: American Fiction, Oscar Contender?; and Sam Sanders, Saeed Jones, and Zach Stafford for the Stitcher Vibe Check podcast: A Special Conversation with Cord Jefferson  John: Timeguessr and Matt Levine for Matt Levin's Money Stuff: Lyft Had an Earnings Typo David: The Greatest Night in Pop on Netflix and USA for Africa: We Are the World  Listener chatter from J.T. Horn in Strafford, Vermont: Peter Frick Wright for the Outside Podcast: A Wild Conversation with E. Jean Carroll   For this week's Slate Plus bonus segment, David, John, and Emily discuss with Ellie Wolfe her local-news reporting as Education Reporter for the Arizona Daily Star. See Proposed law would limit shared governance at Arizona's universities; U of A to ‘permanently eliminate' $27 million worth of jobs in academic units; U of A's Robbins talks about his pay, layoffs, athletics debt, more; and CFO: U of A must cut $200M in spending, rethink mission, accept layoffs. Thanks to listeners Alison, Anna, and David for the recommendation!    In the latest Gabfest Reads, John talks with Brad Stulberg about his book, Master of Change: How to Excel When Everything Is Changing – Including You.   Email your chatters, questions, and comments to gabfest@slate.com. (Messages may be referenced by name unless the writer stipulates otherwise.)   Podcast production by Cheyna Roth  Research by Julie Huygen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, Emily Bazelon, John Dickerson, and David Plotz discuss Special Counsel Robert Hur's description of President Joe Biden; House Republicans' impeachment of DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas and refusal on Ukraine aid; and Democrat Tom Suozzi's win in the New York congressional special election. And in Slate Plus, Emily, John, and David talk local news with reporter Ellie Wolfe.    Here are some notes and references from this week's show: Matt Viser and Tyler Pager for The Washington Post: Biden responds angrily to special counsel report questioning his memory and Marianne LeVine: Trump says he'd disregard NATO treaty, urge Russian attacks on U.S. allies Politico Magazine: What Biden Needs to Do to Reassure the Public Elena Moore for NPR: Biden's campaign gives in and joins TikTok. Blame the youngs Mike Lillis and Mychael Schnell for The Hill: Lawmakers scramble for Plan B on Ukraine Jake Tapper for CNN: Marco Rubio reacts to Trump threatening NATO country to ‘pay up' Zack Beauchamp for Vox: The moral and strategic case for arming Ukraine Joshua Matz, Michael J. Gerhardt, Amit Jain, and Laurence H. Tribe for Just Security: Why and How the Senate Should Swiftly Dismiss the Impeachment Charges Against Mayorkas Nate Cohn for The New York Times: Not an Ordinary Special Election, and Yet a Typical Result and Carl Hulse: How Senate Democrats Flipped the Border Issue on Republicans Here are this week's chatters: Emily: American Fiction; Sam Sanders, Nadira Goffe, and Stephen Metcalf for the Slate Culture Gabfest podcast: American Fiction, Oscar Contender?; and Sam Sanders, Saeed Jones, and Zach Stafford for the Stitcher Vibe Check podcast: A Special Conversation with Cord Jefferson  John: Timeguessr and Matt Levine for Matt Levin's Money Stuff: Lyft Had an Earnings Typo David: The Greatest Night in Pop on Netflix and USA for Africa: We Are the World  Listener chatter from J.T. Horn in Strafford, Vermont: Peter Frick Wright for the Outside Podcast: A Wild Conversation with E. Jean Carroll   For this week's Slate Plus bonus segment, David, John, and Emily discuss with Ellie Wolfe her local-news reporting as Education Reporter for the Arizona Daily Star. See Proposed law would limit shared governance at Arizona's universities; U of A to ‘permanently eliminate' $27 million worth of jobs in academic units; U of A's Robbins talks about his pay, layoffs, athletics debt, more; and CFO: U of A must cut $200M in spending, rethink mission, accept layoffs. Thanks to listeners Alison, Anna, and David for the recommendation!    In the latest Gabfest Reads, John talks with Brad Stulberg about his book, Master of Change: How to Excel When Everything Is Changing – Including You.   Email your chatters, questions, and comments to gabfest@slate.com. (Messages may be referenced by name unless the writer stipulates otherwise.)   Podcast production by Cheyna Roth  Research by Julie Huygen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, Emily Bazelon, John Dickerson, and David Plotz discuss Special Counsel Robert Hur's description of President Joe Biden; House Republicans' impeachment of DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas and refusal on Ukraine aid; and Democrat Tom Suozzi's win in the New York congressional special election. And in Slate Plus, Emily, John, and David talk local news with reporter Ellie Wolfe.    Here are some notes and references from this week's show: Matt Viser and Tyler Pager for The Washington Post: Biden responds angrily to special counsel report questioning his memory and Marianne LeVine: Trump says he'd disregard NATO treaty, urge Russian attacks on U.S. allies Politico Magazine: What Biden Needs to Do to Reassure the Public Elena Moore for NPR: Biden's campaign gives in and joins TikTok. Blame the youngs Mike Lillis and Mychael Schnell for The Hill: Lawmakers scramble for Plan B on Ukraine Jake Tapper for CNN: Marco Rubio reacts to Trump threatening NATO country to ‘pay up' Zack Beauchamp for Vox: The moral and strategic case for arming Ukraine Joshua Matz, Michael J. Gerhardt, Amit Jain, and Laurence H. Tribe for Just Security: Why and How the Senate Should Swiftly Dismiss the Impeachment Charges Against Mayorkas Nate Cohn for The New York Times: Not an Ordinary Special Election, and Yet a Typical Result and Carl Hulse: How Senate Democrats Flipped the Border Issue on Republicans Here are this week's chatters: Emily: American Fiction; Sam Sanders, Nadira Goffe, and Stephen Metcalf for the Slate Culture Gabfest podcast: American Fiction, Oscar Contender?; and Sam Sanders, Saeed Jones, and Zach Stafford for the Stitcher Vibe Check podcast: A Special Conversation with Cord Jefferson  John: Timeguessr and Matt Levine for Matt Levin's Money Stuff: Lyft Had an Earnings Typo David: The Greatest Night in Pop on Netflix and USA for Africa: We Are the World  Listener chatter from J.T. Horn in Strafford, Vermont: Peter Frick Wright for the Outside Podcast: A Wild Conversation with E. Jean Carroll   For this week's Slate Plus bonus segment, David, John, and Emily discuss with Ellie Wolfe her local-news reporting as Education Reporter for the Arizona Daily Star. See Proposed law would limit shared governance at Arizona's universities; U of A to ‘permanently eliminate' $27 million worth of jobs in academic units; U of A's Robbins talks about his pay, layoffs, athletics debt, more; and CFO: U of A must cut $200M in spending, rethink mission, accept layoffs. Thanks to listeners Alison, Anna, and David for the recommendation!    In the latest Gabfest Reads, John talks with Brad Stulberg about his book, Master of Change: How to Excel When Everything Is Changing – Including You.   Email your chatters, questions, and comments to gabfest@slate.com. (Messages may be referenced by name unless the writer stipulates otherwise.)   Podcast production by Cheyna Roth  Research by Julie Huygen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this Black History Month special episode, former U.S. Poet Laureate Tracy K. Smith discusses her memoir To Free the Captives, which explores Black strength, continuance, and community by looking back at her own family's history; poet Saeed Jones (Alive at the End of the World) unpacks the backstories behind some of his poems involving Billie Holiday, Maya Angelou, and Luther Vandross; and Ethio-Jazz musician Meklit performs the song, “I Want to Sing for Them All” as a tribute to her musical influences.

We're taking a much needed break to gear up for 2024, but we're excited to share an exclusive clip from Friend Of The Pod Sam Sanders' weekly podcast Vibe Check. Each week on Vibe Check, Sam, Saeed Jones, and Zach Stafford make sense of what's going on in news and culture – and how it all feels.  For a closed-captioned version of this episode, click here. For a transcript of this episode, please email transcripts@crooked.com and include the name of the podcast. 

Co-hosts of VIBE CHECK Sam Sanders, Saeed Jones and Zach Stafford sit down with Cameron to discuss finding their voices -- and finding each other.

Saeed Jones is a Pushcart Prize-winning writer whose first collection of poetry, PRELUDE TO BRUISE, was a 2014 finalist for the National Book Critics Circle Award. His 2019 memoir, HOW WE FIGHT FOR OUR LIVES, won the Kirkus Prize for Nonfiction. And his second poetry collection, ALIVE AT THE END OF THE WORLD, is a 2023 winner of an Anisfield-Wolf Book Award, the only national juried prize for literature that confronts racism and explores diversity. In this episode, Annmarie and Saeed talk about weaving both joy and sadness into poetry and what it means to speak each other's language in grief. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Introducing Vibe Check, a podcast where hosts Sam Sanders, Saeed Jones, and Zach Stafford make sense of what's going on in news and culture – and how it all feels. On this episode of Vibe Check, Sam, Saeed and Zach talk about the literary works that they turn to frequently, what purpose they serve in each of their lives, and why.You can find Vibe Check on every podcast listening platform.*This is a special episode from the Vibe Check hosts, all friends of The Stacks.*Connect with Sam: Instagram | Twitter Connect with Saeed: Instagram | Twitter | WebsiteConnect with Zach: Instagram | Twitter Connect with The Stacks: Instagram | Twitter | Shop | Patreon | Goodreads | SubscribeSUPPORT THE STACKSJoin The Stacks Pack on PatreonTo support The Stacks and find out more from this week's sponsors, click here.Purchasing books through Bookshop.org or Amazon earns The Stacks a small commission.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Poet and Kirkus Prize winner Saeed Jones unpacks his newest collection Alive at the End of the World and why Billie Holiday had a bone to pick with Maya Angelou; writer Silvia Moreno-Garcia (Mexican Gothic) explains how her love of horror at a young age found its way into her latest book The Daughter of Doctor Moreau; and indie folk duo The Lowest Pair perform "Pear Tree" from their first record 36 Cents. Plus, host Luke Burbank and announcer Elena Passarello discuss our strange childhood obsessions.

Three of Lizzo's former dancers sued her for alleged sexual harassment and creating a hostile work environment. How does this change how we feel about Lizzo — especially those inspired by her joyful, unapologetic persona and empowerment of plus-sized women of color? Sam welcomes his Vibe Check co-hosts Saeed Jones and Zach Stafford to talk it out. Then, as a palette cleanser: A game of Into It / Not Into It where they break down Cardi B's mic throw, Justin Trudeau's separation, and the resurrection of Bed Bath & Beyond from beyond the grave. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Episode 191 Notes and Links to Sarah's Work       On Episode 191 of The Chills at Will Podcast, Pete welcomes Sarah Fawn Montgomery, and the two discuss, among other things, her early reading and writing, storytelling, growing up in Central California, the ways in which blue-collar Americans have been depicted-or not depicted in literature, and salient themes in her essay collection, like nostalgia, father-daughter relationships, cycles of poverty and violence and trauma, and evolving ideas of home.      Sarah Fawn Montgomery is the author of Halfway from Home (Split/Lip Press, 2022), Quite Mad: An American Pharma Memoir (The Ohio State University Press, 2018) and the poetry chapbooks Regenerate: Poems of Mad Women (Dancing Girl Press, 2017), Leaving Tracks: A Prairie Guide (Finishing Line Press, 2017), and The Astronaut Checks His Watch (Finishing Line Press, 2014). Her work has been listed as notable in Best American Essays many times, and her poetry and prose have appeared in Brevity, Crab Orchard Review, DIAGRAM, Electric Literature, LitHub, New England Review, The Normal School, Passages North, Poetry Foundation, The Rumpus, Southeast Review, Terrain, and numerous other journals and anthologies. She holds an MFA in creative writing from California State University-Fresno and a PhD in English in creative writing from the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. She is an Associate Professor at Bridgewater State University in Massachusetts.      Buy Halfway from Home: Essays   Sarah's Website   Review of Halfway from Home: Essays from Kirkus Review   Split Rock Review-Review of Halfway from Home   At about 2:20, Sarah talks about her early relationships with reading and writing, and about how she wanted to write stories about often-overlooked working-class people   At about 4:20, Sarah cites some early favorite books and writers, and she analyzes the ways she reads a favorite, Joan Didion, now differently than she did then   At about 7:00, The two discuss class and how it is talked about in our society (or not) and represented in literature    At about 9:00, Sarah discusses how she got excited about writing-she shouts out to a high school teacher who gave a meaningful and transformative journal assignment and invited Sarah to keep writing   At about 13:00, Sarah references nonfiction writers who thrilled her in college-like Audre Lorde, Sandra Cisneros, and Jamaica Kincaid-and thrill her today, like Chen Chen, Ada Limón, Donika Kelly, Saeed Jones, Dorothy Chan, and torrin a. greathouse     At about 14:40, Sarah recounts the genesis of her Halfway From Home collection and answers Pete's questions about making the individual essays cohere   At about 17:40, Pete summarizes the book's first essay and its “dig sites” and focus on her father's whimsy and her love of dirt-it's called “Excavation”    At about 19:00, Sarah speaks to the significance of “excavation” in the first story and beyond   At about 21:00, Pete compliments the story's “imagined ending” and Sarah speaks about its significance and background    At about 23:25, Sarah discusses the power and symbolism of fire and light, cold and darkness, as featured in her book   At about 26:10, The two discuss ideas of homes, serenity, and respite from traumas and chaos   At about 31:30, The two discuss her essay on cartography   At about 35:40, Pete muses   At about 37:00, The history of Sarah's family in mines is discussed, along with the multiple meanings of “descendants”   At about 40:50, Sarah talks about “complicating humanity,” especially with regards to her grandfather and grandmother   At about 42:15, Pete asks about the end of an essay and how Sarah approached its second-person address   At about 44:20, The two discuss nostalgia and its connections to the essays, the intriguing concept of saudade, and nostalgia's history as something to be discouraged   At about 48:35, Pete recounts how nostalgia has informed the podcast's ethos   At about 50:45, Sarah confesses to being “anti-time” (!) and the two reference a classic Saved by the Bell scene   At about 54:45, Cycles of violence as depicted in the essay are examined   At about 56:45, Sarah reflects on how she sees and saw he father throughout her collection and in more recent times   At about 1:01:00, Pete notes the ways in which women in Sarah's family are portrayed in her collection    At about 1:02:30, Pete compliments a beautiful scene with father and daughter and Sarah talks about the nostalgia associated with parents and childhood-Pete    At about 1:04:45, Sarah shares an interesting new project involving combatting ableist writing as default    At about 1:05:50, The two fan boy/girl over Alice Wong's work   At about 1:06:15, Sarah shouts out her publisher Split Lip Press as a place to buy her book   At about 1:06:45, Sarah gives out social media/contact information    You can now subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts, and leave me a five-star review. You can also ask for the podcast by name using Alexa, and find the pod on Stitcher, Spotify, and on Amazon Music. Follow me on IG, where I'm @chillsatwillpodcast, or on Twitter, where I'm @chillsatwillpo1. You can watch this and other episodes on YouTube-watch and subscribe to The Chills at Will Podcast Channel. Please subscribe to both my YouTube Channel and my podcast while you're checking out this episode.    Sign up now for The Chills at Will Podcast Patreon: it can be found at patreon.com/chillsatwillpodcastpeterriehl     Check out the page that describes the benefits of a Patreon membership, including cool swag and bonus episodes. Thanks in advance for supporting my one-man show, my DIY podcast and my extensive reading, research, editing, and promoting to keep this independent podcast pumping out high-quality content!    NEW MERCH! You can browse and buy here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/ChillsatWillPodcast    This is a passion project of mine, a DIY operation, and I'd love for your help in promoting what I'm convinced is a unique and spirited look at an often-ignored art form.    The intro song for The Chills at Will Podcast is “Wind Down” (Instrumental Version), and the other song played on this episode was “Hoops” (Instrumental)” by Matt Weidauer, and both songs are used through ArchesAudio.com.    Please tune in for Episode 192 with Donovan X Ramsey. He is a journalist, author, and indispensable voice on issues of identity, justice, and patterns of power in América; When Crack Was King: A People's History of a Misunderstood Era comes out on June 11, i.e. the day this episode with Sarah has been published.  The episode will air on July 18.

In this episode, the co-hosts of Stitcher's Vibe Check, Sam Sanders, Saeed Jones, and Zach Stafford joins Prudie (Jenée Desmond-Harris) to answer your letters from readers about sharing food with ungrateful people, wanting to date a friend's crush, and getting emotional needs satisfied by AI. If you want more Dear Prudence, you should join Slate Plus, Slate's membership program. Jenée answers an extra question every week, just for members. Go to Slate.com/prudieplus to sign up. It's just $15 for your first three months.  Podcast production by Se'era Spragley Ricks and Daisy Rosario, with help from Brandon Nix. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, the co-hosts of Stitcher's Vibe Check, Sam Sanders, Saeed Jones, and Zach Stafford joins Prudie (Jenée Desmond-Harris) to answer your letters from readers about sharing food with ungrateful people, wanting to date a friend's crush, and getting emotional needs satisfied by AI. If you want more Dear Prudence, you should join Slate Plus, Slate's membership program. Jenée answers an extra question every week, just for members. Go to Slate.com/prudieplus to sign up. It's just $15 for your first three months.  Podcast production by Se'era Spragley Ricks and Daisy Rosario, with help from Brandon Nix. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, the co-hosts of Stitcher's Vibe Check, Sam Sanders, Saeed Jones, and Zach Stafford joins Prudie (Jenée Desmond-Harris) to answer your letters from readers about sharing food with ungrateful people, wanting to date a friend's crush, and getting emotional needs satisfied by AI. If you want more Dear Prudence, you should join Slate Plus, Slate's membership program. Jenée answers an extra question every week, just for members. Go to Slate.com/prudieplus to sign up. It's just $15 for your first three months.  Podcast production by Se'era Spragley Ricks and Daisy Rosario, with help from Brandon Nix. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, the co-hosts of Stitcher's Vibe Check, Sam Sanders, Saeed Jones, and Zach Stafford joins Prudie (Jenée Desmond-Harris) to answer your letters from readers about sharing food with ungrateful people, wanting to date a friend's crush, and getting emotional needs satisfied by AI. If you want more Dear Prudence, you should join Slate Plus, Slate's membership program. Jenée answers an extra question every week, just for members. Go to Slate.com/prudieplus to sign up. It's just $15 for your first three months.  Podcast production by Se'era Spragley Ricks and Daisy Rosario, with help from Brandon Nix. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

How do you eat ice cream on a first date? When should you start meal prepping when you're in a new relationship? What's the perfect tailgating food? Sam Sanders, Saeed Jones, and Zach Stafford, the hosts of the podcast Vibe Check, join us to chat about food issues and obsessions in their lives. And they help us settle some listener food disputes about repeat recipes, and Chipotle bowls. The Sporkful production team includes Dan Pashman, Emma Morgenstern, Andres O'Hara, Nora Ritchie, and Jared O'Connell.Transcript available at www.sporkful.com.

Books and Selected Other Work by Saeed JonesAlive at the End of the World (Coffee House Press, 2022)How We Fight For Our Lives (Simon & Schuster, 2019)Prelude to Bruise (Coffee House Press, 2014)Also ReferencedOpen Books: A Poem EmporiumV ConatyChristine LarussoCommonplace Goes to Taiwan, Episodes 1 and 2Pema ChödrönJorge Luis BorgesRoger ReevesRoxane GayClaudia RankineMorgan ParkerAlexander CheeFrank B. Wilderson IIIKatelyn Hale WoodAdrienne RichPrince, "I Wanna Be Your Lover"YanyiTorrey PetersMatthew ShepardKenneth GoldsmithSaidiya HartmanRigoberto GonzalezCommonplace has no institutional or corporate affiliation and is made possible by you, our listeners! Support Commonplace by joining the Commonplace Book Club: https://www.patreon.com/commonplacepodcast

Amy is joined by Stacey Harkey to discuss How We Fight for Our Lives by Saeed Jones and focus on the experience of being Black and queer in America.Born in Dallas, Texas, Stacey Harkey considers himself to be a Southerner to the core. After graduating with a degree in public relations from Brigham Young University, he was a writer and actor for the sketch comedy TV show, Studio C. He is currently a personal trainer, a corporate DEI consultant, and owns a media company called JK Studios. Stacey is a firm believer in the power of an embarrassing moment, a burnt meal, and an extremely difficult challenge.

Poet and Kirkus Prize winner Saeed Jones unpacks his newest collection Alive at the End of the World and why Billie Holiday had a bone to pick with Maya Angelou; writer Silvia Moreno-Garcia (Mexican Gothic) explains how her love of horror at a young age found its way into her latest book The Daughter of Doctor Moreau; and indie folk duo The Lowest Pair perform "Pear Tree" from their first record 36 Cents. Plus, host Luke Burbank and announcer Elena Passarello discuss our strange childhood obsessions.

Today on the pod, Kristen and Jolenta share an episode of one of their favorite new podcasts: Vibe Check. Vibe Check is hosted by journalist and podcaster Sam Sanders (Into It, formerly NPR's It's Been a Minute), writer Saeed Jones (How We Fight for Our Lives), and journalist and Tony Award-winning producer Zach Stafford (formerly The Advocate, A Strange Loop). Each week on Vibe Check, Sam, Saeed and Zach turn their group chat into a weekly podcast. They check in on each other, make sense of what's going on in news and culture and reflect on how it all feels. Take a listen.

Today's poem is Alive at the End of the World by Saeed Jones. This episode was originally released on June 3, 2022.

If you've been listening to our last few episodes, you'll know we've had the hosts of Vibe Check – Sam Sanders, Saeed Jones, & Zach Stafford – on the show to do the ultimate friendship test with Brittany and Eric. Now that FCN has ended, Vibe Check has become our go-to podcast for the latest in news, pop culture, and politics. In this unaired clip, the Vibe Check trio give their unfiltered thoughts on that controversial NYTimes Popeyes nuptial article.

An episode full of shocking revelations. Someone in the room (EJ) has never been to TGI Friday's. Someone else in the room (Shelby) thinks Taylor Swift is a psychopath. And someone else in the room (our guest Sam Sanders [It's Been a Minute, Vibe Check, Into It]) didn't know that Jason Mraz says he's Mr. A to Z because Mr. A to Z spells... Mraz . Also we rarely get this topical/controversial but if you're looking for a primer on the entire DWD drama between Oliv*a and H*rry and J*son, we've got a literal NPR reporter (our guest Sam Sanders) to take you through it beat by beat.  At some point, artifacts were sent to the aliens.  Sam's Artifacts:  Continuum by John Mayer (Music) "Pop-Up Video" (Audio-Visual) Really Good California Edibles (Drug) Carly Rae Jepson (Person) Funyons (Food) Lisa Frank Trapper Keeper (Ephemera) Follow Sam on Twitter and Instagram. Watch the video version of the episode Follow the show @keepingrecordspod Advertise on Keeping Records via Gumball.fm See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week, Brittany and Eric are joined by the hosts of Vibe Check - Sam Sanders, Saeed Jones, & Zach Stafford. Vibe Check is their group chat come to life and they spill it all! From their honest reactions to Beyonce's Renaissance to the state of the Democratic Party - you won't wanna miss this.

Today we speak with Saeed Jones - award-winning author of the new poetry collection Alive at the End of the World. Our conversation covers the art of embracing chaos and finding humor, and how Saeed considers his poems in relation to the reading and the performance of poetry. Saeed also explains why he thinks of all his poems as traps. The Stacks Book Club selection for September is The Trees by Percival Everett. We will discuss the book on September 28th with Lisa Lucas.You can find everything we discuss on today's show on The Stacks' website: https://thestackspodcast.com/2022/09/21/ep-233-saeed-jonesConnect with Saeed: Instagram | Twitter | WebsiteConnect with The Stacks: Instagram | Twitter | Shop | Patreon | Goodreads | SubscribeSUPPORT THE STACKSJoin The Stacks Pack on PatreonTo support The Stacks and find out more from this week's sponsors, click here.Purchasing books through Bookshop.org or Amazon earns The Stacks a small commission.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Sam Sanders and Saeed Jones help us unpack a big week, from student loan forgiveness to the made up phrase “quiet quitting.” Sam is the host of the Vulture podcast ‘Into It' and Saeed Jones is author of the forthcoming poetry collection ‘Alive at the End of the World.' They are also two of the hosts of the new Stitcher podcast ‘Vibe Check.' Then, indie rock musician Courtney Barnett tells us about her extreme vulnerability in the new documentary ‘Anonymous Club.'

Today's poem is Alive at the End of the World by Saeed Jones.

Today's poem is Alive at the End of the World by Saeed Jones.

Over the past several years, corporations and entire industries have quickly made statements and some policy changes in response to social and racial justice movements. Those statement and initiatives, however, often exist as feel-good marketing initiatives or sincere efforts with unintended consequences. In her new book “Some of My Best Friends: Essays on Lip Service,” Tajja Isen explores these efforts and the realities they mask and reveal. “[A] stellar debut collection...Some of My Best Friends shows a bracing willingness to tackle sensitive issues that others often sweep under a rug.” —Kirkus Reviews (starred review) "Isen scrutinizes society's attempts to bandage over such issues as race and gender inequality in her powerful debut. Isen's voice is both wry and sensitive as she fearlessly lays out the limits of talk in solving inequality; fans of sharp cultural criticism, take note." —Publishers Weekly “Beautifully written, wildly funny, and whip smart, the essays in Some of My Best Friends are among the best I've ever read. Tajja Isen is unafraid to ask deep questions and embrace their messy answers. She's one hell of a writer.” —Kristen Arnett, New York Times bestselling author of Mostly Dead Things and With Teeth “Isen understands that our shared future demands we expose and call out wasted time, hollow gestures, and empty words. Some of My Best Friends is an inspiring, determined work of personal narrative and cultural criticism.” —Saeed Jones, author of How We Fight for Our Lives “The essays in this book dazzle stylistically, thrill intellectually and flip the finger to the many ways North America pretends to talk about racial experiences. Isen is a provocateur of the first order. Her wit and wisdom capture the current moment and soar above it.” —Kamal Al-Solaylee, author of Return and Brown “Sure-footed and illuminating, Some of My Best Friends brilliantly lays bare the lies that accompany some of the most insidious aspects of racism— lip service, pandering, and plausible deniability—and offers a bracing inoculation.” —Jess Zimmerman, author of Women and Other Monsters “Every essay in this collection reminded me of what makes Tajja Isen a must-read writer: her thoughtfulness, her incisive humor, and her deadeye aim. Some of My Best Friends is a genuine pleasure to read and the best kind of intellectual conversation.” —Nicole Chung, author of All You Can Ever Know “Some of My Best Friends is the rare essay collection that feels both modern and timeless. Hilarious and fresh, it's the type of analysis that feels vital and made me go, "Finally!" What a joy to read.” —Sarah Hagi, writer at Gawker "Often hilarious, always thought provoking." — ELLE, Canada --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/alyssa-milano-sorry-not-sorry/message