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Did you know I'm a journalist? I mean, you probably do because I mention it in the intro of many episodes of Humans Outside. But you probably didn't know I'm launching a local nonprofit newspaper. It's an all-consuming project, and going outside has been key to helping me get it off the ground. Going outside daily has also been key to helping me understand how to manage my time, how to prioritize what's important to me, how to make all of it happen in one day. But it's also taught me that the world is full of natural beginnings and endings as a part of the seasons. Listen now. Connect with this episode: Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [:36] A fun fact about me [:54] In which I wax reminiscent about days of yore [1:52] Why local news is so, so important [2:35] My new local news project [3:14] What outdoors continues to mean to me [4:05] But I can't do everything [5:23] And so it comes down to this

Do you have one person whose work you've looked to for inspiration? For me, that's Gretchen Rubin, author of the Happiness Project, and it's why I was so excited to get her on Humans Outside for a sit-down.  It was such a fun conversation that I want to make sure you get to hear it in this best of humans outside episode. I hope you love this interesting and inspirational conversation with Gretchen Rubin.  Connect with this episode: Read Life in 5 Senses (affiliate link) Visit Gretchen's website Follow Gretchen on Instagram Follow Gretchen on Facebook Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [3:05] Gretchen Rubin's favorite outdoor space [4:10] How Gretchen became someone who likes to go outside [6:35] The problem of things taking effort [8:47] Why Gretchen started her Life in 5 Senses project [11:33] Does she still go to this place every day? [11:38] How that practice is like a sit spot [14:40] The freedom (and challenge) of doing something every day [18:28] Gretchen's favorite sense and how her experiment impacted it [19:41] What do we lose when we ignore our senses? [22:27] All about Gretchen's daily outdoor project [24:15] The difference between a chore and recess outside [27:00] Why the freedom to choose your own rules is important (and hard) [30:13] The inspiration for Gretchen's project [33:17] How her five sense are influencing her outdoor project [36:19] Personal habits that make her outdoor time better [40:21] Gretchen's favorite outdoor moment  

What happens if you say "yes" to just one adventure or step out of your comfort zone? Maybe you'll create a single unforgettable experience. Or maybe that "yes" will lead you down a path where you encounter more interesting (and maybe a little scary) ideas and opportunities. That's what today's guest, author and physician Mimi Zieman, found when she stepped out of her comfort zone in New York City to try something new. From the streets of the city to the base camp of Mt. Everest, Mimi discovered how saying yes to ideas and taking up space in the world can lead to a lifetime of growth. In this episode, Mimi takes us on her journey from "yes" to Everest and gives us tips for finding our own space by following the power of that one word. Listen now. Connect with this episode: Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [2:42 ] - Mimi Zieman's favorite outdoor space [04:22] - How Mimi went from city to nature [06:27] - The challenges Mimi found up at Rocky Mountain Biological Lab. [09:25] - How Mimi ended up in Nepal [15:10] - The wild challenges on Everest [21:45] - Here's how that Everest experience impacted Mimi. [28:59] - Why you have to take up space in the world [31:11] - Mimi's best advice for those wanting to say yes to more adventures

There are a lot of reasons to spend time in nature, but as I reflect back on all of the things I've learned by heading outside every day for more than 2,500 days in a row, some takeaways stick out more than others. The biggest thing I've learned by spending time outside is also both my favorite lesson and the thing I least expected. What is it? Listen now! Connect with this episode: Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [00:45] The start of my outdoor challenge [01:39] There were some benefits I expected [02:21] And then there is one big benefit I didnt see coming [03:33] I realized while doing this unpredictable thing [04:15] 2016 Amy would NEVER [05:08] It's time to face the change

There's something both comforting and amazing about the way nature takes the reigns no matter what happens. During a recent walk in the woods, I saw startling new growth on top of recent harm, and it was just the reminder I needed about nature's power to reclaim itself and me. Maybe it's a reminder you need, too. Listen now! Connect with this episode: Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [00:23] Here's what I did outside this week [00:35] Nature just out there healing its own self [01:37] Here's where I face the music [02:32] And here's what I saw when I did [04:03] Oh yeah, nature heals people, too

No matter how you define “hard,” heading outside offers plenty of chances to tackle it. Many people who choose to tackle hard stuff outside are pushed to do so to honor some kind of “why.” For some of us, that “why” is health or to push our own personal boundaries. For others, the “why” is on behalf of someone else. Ultrarunner Emily Halnon's “why” has everything to do with her mom, who died from an aggressive form of cancer in early 2020. To honor her she headed out to tackle a major challenge running on the Pacific Crest Trail (PCT). It's a story she's now shared in her new book “To The Gorge.” Through her journey, she learned the power of moving through hard stuff. In this episode you'll hear Emily share the things she's learned through that journey and how you can make yourself do hard things outside, too.   Connect with this episode: Read Emily Halnon's new book, To The Gorge (affiliate link) Visit Emily's website Follow Emily on Instagram Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [4:06] Emily Halnon's favorite outdoor space [5:36] How Emily became someone who likes to go outside [7:05] How Emily's mom inspired her running career [10:29] All about Andrea Halnon's adventurous life [15:27] The grief and grit in running across Oregon [22:37] How to get mentally tough to prepare for a mega run [30:01] Why hard stuff outside helps us prepare for life's challenges. [33:04] The internal dialogue of pushing through the tough stuff [35:07] Why it's not a bad thing to feel a little scared [36:39] Emily's favorite outdoor moment

There's something special about the way spring sounds in Alaska. Maybe it's how dramatic the experience is as compared to the sounds of winter. Maybe it's that they're happy sounds that I can hear through my windows. Maybe it's that the weather is so much nicer than it had been, that I'm outside more to hear sounds at all. Whatever the reason, I love the outdoor symphony. Here's what I've been noticing. Listen now. Connect with this episode: Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [00:35] I'm feeling really grateful for my ears [00:52] Here's the source of my leaning into my senses challenge [01:46] The sounds of spring are basically the best [02:02] Here's a few examples [02:26] Birds, birds, birds. [03:31] Not birds but still souds [04:04] OK, winter has sounds, too

I do it to myself and over and over again. That feeling of overwhelm sneaks right in, and it's entirely because of my own poor choices. (You would think I'd learn my lesson, but I have not.) So when the going gets crowed, what do I do? I think you're probably going to guess. But the wild thing is just how much adding more of it to my schedule helps. Listen now. Connect with this episode: Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [00:23] Yeah, OK I do this to myself [01:17] We know the signs -- truly [01:32] Maybe I could do this before [02:25] This is the part where we come up with a solution [02:43] When, in fact, the real solution is this one that doesn't make any sense. [03:33] The reason it helps? Priorities.

Florence Williams has learned a thing or two about making the most of what you have right outside your door and the tools you already possess to do so. Since Florence, author of “The Nature Fix,” literally wrote the book on how going outside creates positive impacts on our mental health and wellbeing, that's really saying something. I learned about Florence before we even started going outside every day. It was her book, published shortly before we knew we were looking for it, that gave us the 20 minute daily goal. We are so honored that she gave some of her time to share her latest lessons in exactly how you can harness the power of nature for your health, happiness and mental well-being. Some of the good stuff: [2:05] Florence William's favorite outdoor space [3:14] Why she started writing about outdoor benefits [5:16] Why going outside makes us feel good [8:01] Why going outside is good for your brain [10:26] Why going outside helps trauma [16:36] Why finding what speaks to you is important [19:05] Why tuning in matters [21:24] The difference between “seeking” and “available” [23:48] Why many doctors love drugs and ignore nature [25:49] How to find awe in what's right outside your door [35:30] Florence's favorite and most essential gear [36:47] Florence's favorite outdoor moment Connect with this episode: Read (or listen to) The Nature Fix, by Florence Williams Listen to The 3-Day Effect on Audible Read Florence William's website Follow Florence Williams on Instagram Like Florence William's Facebook author page Follow Florence Williams on Twitter

I used to hear friends talk about the crazy wonderful things they were spotting outside and wonder how it was I was missing out. Why didn't I see that stuff? Were they trying harder? Going places I didn't want to go? Getting up in tbe middle of the night to do it? And then one day I stumbled upon their secret by accident. And now that I've figured out the trick to seeing wonders outside, I just can't stop. It's not that hard It doesn't take any extra work It does take intention Listen now! Connect with this episode: Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [00:35] Yes, I'm an early riser [01:32] This morning experience changed my perspective [02:12] All I had to do was take this step [02:31] Yes, I missed stuff [03:03] But now I see this stuff, too

When was the last time you thought about the way learning to notice and navigate changing seasons affects how you view your indoor life? One of the best things about spending a lot of time outdoors is how it prompts you to pause and see how the world is shifting day by day. Are you ready for it? Are you taking it as it comes? No matter how you approach the shift in seasons, one thing is certain: getting used to changes outdoors can teach you a thing or two about changes indoors.  Getting okay with growth  Noticing when it's coming  Embracing what it brings Listen to this episode of Humans Outside now! Connect with this episode: Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [00:35] Here's a highly philosophical observation about the sun [01:28] We've got some signs of spring up in here [02:31] Let's get aware of seasons [03:11] No solar eclipse here, but we do have seasons changing [03:29] There's sun and I'm not mad about it [04:00] Just over here learning from nature for my inside life, once again

Ready for solo adventure? Feeling safe? Getting out there by yourself can feel like a real safety risk. I absolutely love going out alone, but I know it comes with pros and cons.  But it doesn't mean I don't go. It just means I go empowered. Nicole Snell, a safety expert and owner of Girls Fight Back who specializes in self-defense in the outdoors, has a different idea. In this episode she shares her best tips and tricks to empower you to get into nature solo while also staying safe.  Hear Nicole talk about staying stafe outside in this "best of" episode. Connect with this episode: Visit Nicole Snell's website Visit Nicole's Girls Fight Back website Watch Nicole's Outdoor Defense YouTube series (it's really good!) Book a one-on-one session with Nicole Connect with Nicole on LinkedIn Follow Nicole and Girls Fight Back on Facebook Follow Nicole on Instagram Follow Girls Fight Back on Instagram Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Some of the good stuff: [4:06] Nicole Snell's favorite outdoor space [4:52] How Nicole became someone who likes to go outside [7:16] How she got into self-defense [14:05] Why people (often women) feel unsafe alone outside [20:12] What self-defense tools should people use? [26:54] What we mean when we say “use your words.” [28:55] Why she didn't say “I'm sorry”  [31:57] The role of intuition [37:41] How to make the outdoors more safe for everyone [41:10] Top three tips for self-defense in nature [44:41] Nicole's favorite outdoor memory   

  When did you last hug a tree? I mean literally, actually hug a tree? Yeah, I know it sounds weird, but hang with me, because this silly thing has been recharging and reshaping how I feel about heading outside. Listen now!      Connect with this episode: Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Listen to Alastair Humphrey's episode on Humans Outside Listen to my episode about my scary Grand Canyon trip   Some of the good stuff: [00:35] Tree Hugging as Gratitude [01:20] Grounding Experience of Tree Hugging [01:41] Winter Contrast and Appreciation in Seattle [02:49] Monthly Sit Spot Reflection  [03:08] Observations and Gratitude for Trees [04:36] Emotional and Sensory Connection with Nature  

The changing of seasons is the perfect time to look around for signs of changing life outside. But what if instead of just seeing the signs, you looked at them as encouragement for your day? What if you saw them as symbols of hope that you can take with you or find whenever you need a little push through your day? What would you choose? How would it help you? Learn about my chosen symbol in this episode of Humans Outside. Listen now! Connect with this episode: Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [:35] Signs of spring and easter [1:19] Here's where I see new life in nature [1:58] Excuse me winter, please leave permanently [2:21] Here's some personal symbols I see [2:48] Why I look to the birds [4:12] And why you should find your own symbols

If you've ever spent time living in a major city, you know finding nature takes a lot more intentionality than if you spend all of your time in a rural environment. You might even think about experiencing nature in a city as happening in spite of the concrete jungle, not because of it. But what if you flipped that on its head? What if you learned ways to appreciate nature because of the city it's in? That's something today's guest, Brittany Gowan, has become good at as part of her work coaching organizations and executives. With an industrial and organizational psychology master's degree, she works with her clients to lean on nature in and out of the city, a concept also shares in her new book “Turn to the Sun.” In this episode of Humans Outside Brittany talks about: Finding nature wherever you are The gifts of an outdoor habit in an urban environment How noticing nature can raise awareness for other things Listen now! Connect with this episode: Visit Brittany Gowan's website Read Brittany's book “Turn to the Sun” (affiliate link)Follow Brittany on Facebook Follow Brittany on Instagram Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [2:17] Brittany Gowan's favorite outdoor space [4:02] How Brittany became someone who likes to go outside [4:57] How do people react to the idea of nearby nature? [6:02] Ways to find natures in the city [8:23] Why birds are cool for this [10:59] How to build awareness for nature in a city [13:06] How to create space for nature [15:03] The art of nature visualization [22:53] Do houseplants move you towards nature? [28:00] The top thing Brittany has learned through her outdoor practice [34:01] Brittany's favorite outdoor moment

You know the photos don't tell the whole story: doing something cool outdoors or going on an epic adventure takes work. And I don't just mean deciding where to go and then peeling yourself out of your house. I mean: Sacrificing other things you want/need to do Living with the discomfort of flexibility Preparation and vision But is it worth it? Yes. Listen to this episode to hear more now! Connect with this episode: Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [:35] Just a little introvert dilemma [1:06] Answering the call of adventure despite inconvenience [2:56] You're going to have to make some sacrifices [3:40] Some of them will be related to flexibility [5:07] Regrets? None so far.

You'd think after all of these days outside over years of keeping my outdoor habit, I'd have figured out that after feeling some kind of way in the winter, I am an entirely new person when the daylight comes back. But no. So this is a letter from current me to future me, based on the experience of past me. And I bet these me-s can you help you, too. Listen now. Some of the good stuff: [:35] Dear all the Amys: listen up [:48] This is a letter about the power of sunshine [1:52] Remember back like two weeks ago when you thought you were done for? [2:22] It's all about powering through to the light [3:27] Will I ever get the memo? Connect with this episode: Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook

Remember my rim-to-rim hike in the Grand Canyon that became a dangerous disaster after another member of the group put us all at risk? Yeah, that wasn't great. But when I shared that story, I immediately received a parade of messages from Humans Outside followers and podcast fans with their own stories of outdoor misadventures caused by someone else's poor choices. There's some comfort in knowing my experience wasn't unique. But it also made me think maybe there's a lesson there on what we can all do better next time. If so many of us have had a similar problem, maybe we need someone to help us avoid it happening again. Enter: Luc Mehl and Sarah Histand, adventure experts who happen to be married to each other. You've probably heard Sarah here before, bringing insight on adventuring in ways that feel safe. Luc is a trip planning expert who has done major expeditions in Alaska and teaches courses on heading into the wilderness while having fun and not dying. Together they're the perfect pair to help us with this problem. In this episode hear: Luc's advice for building a solid adventure group What to do if you're stuck on adventure with someone who is falling apart How to be kind to yourself (and others) while deal with the whole thing. Listen now!     Connect with this episode: Check out coaching with Sarah on Mind & Mountain Take one of Luc's cool adventure courses Follow Sarah on Instagram Follow Luc on Instagram Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [3:33] Sarah's favorite outdoor space [4:04] But wait, Luc has a different favorite [4:50] Luc and Sarah's outdoor stories (plus, how they met) [8:05] What is risk management and why is it important? [11:04] It sounds harsh, but are there simply people who shouldn't be invited on adventures? [12:20] How to figure out who is the right fit for your trip [13:45] What to do when you thought your had it figured out, but actually you did not [17:41] The role of people picking in trip planning [20:24] What to do when you get into the adventure and now you've got real problems [26:45] The fear of offending someone [29:29] Think about it as “carrying pride” [32:28] So you're in a bad situation. Here's what to do next. [37:50] The rumors are true: don't leave a buddy (or frienemy) behind [41:40] How to avoid an emotional stress injury [45:16] Luc and Sarah's favorite outdoor moments

There are just certain outdoor things that drive me absolutely bonkers. They make my nerves feel like tattered edges, especially if they've been going on for awhile. And that's a problem, because I am committed to getting outside every single day, no matter what. … and that “no matter what” includes stuff I don't like, and even stuff I hate. So what do I do when this happens? I take these three steps. Listen now. Connect with this episode: Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [:35] I'm betting you have some outdoor thing you hate. Don't be a hero about this. [1:01] Here are some really good examples [1:55] And here's the thing I hate, thank you. [2:04] I need you to hang on while I get this off my chest. [4:06] Obviously, it's not going to keep me inside [4:34] Which means I have to take a few steps to move through it [6:54] Here's a fun fact about Amy in March

They clear-cut part of my backyard trails and I'm devastated (Outdoor Diary) When I heard the saws, I should've known it was not a good thing, not just a trail crew clearing wood downed on the trail. I never guessed the loss those sounds were bringing. And when I saw it, I stood in disbelief. I guess that's the risk brought by loving something. When it's taken away, a piece of you feels gone, too. Listen now. Connect with this episode: Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [:35] Man-made destruction without warning [1:45] I assumed it wasn't major. Boy was I wrong. [2:55] Only Treebeard has the words for this [3:45] These trees were my friends [4:50] It feels like a heavy loss [5:12] My bad for trusting anyone on the internet [6:22] But I do think this is a universal experience

Planning a visit to one of the many national parks or federally protected lands? You'll be in good company. Visiting these spaces is more popular than ever before. So how do you make sure the company isn't too good? How do you avoid the crowded spots, still get to have that bucket list trip and make the most of the journey? Matt and Karen Smith are national park travel experts because they've been there, done that, and share their journey in their podcast “Dear Bob and Sue” and books of the same title. Their show is packed with practical, clear advice on visiting the parks, and in this episode of Humans Outside they bring that help here. In this episode hear: The biggest mistakes national park visitors make The wonderful parks experience you might be missing The best way to avoid big crowds Listen now! Connect with this episode: Visit Matt and Karen's website Follow Matt and Karen on Instagram Follow Matt and Karen on Facebook Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [3:01] Matt and Karen's favorite outdoor spaces [6:38] How they got into visiting national parks [11:30] What is it about the national parks that we love so much? [13:26] How the heck can you afford that? [16:46] Biggest national parks mistakes they see [21:31] Their favorite parks [25:41] How to avoid seeing too many people [32:33] Where you really should go [34:23] Their best tips for making the most of any national park trips [40:00] Matt and Karen's favorite outdoor memory

partial selection. Check to make sure intra-doc links work. -----> What would happen if you spent a handful of hours attempting to do every available outdoor activity in a certain area? That's the question I asked before a Do All The Things day I just did with a friend. We loaded up our cars with outfit changes, equipment and nowhere near enough snacks, and headed into Hatcher Pass for a packed five hours of outdoor fun. Here's what happened. Connect with this episode: Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [:35] The siren song of a challenge, even it's just one day [1:09] Can we even do all the things?! [2:16] A tiny edit, and then we set forth [2:26] (Don't get me started on my people and these ski passes) [2:52] Here starts the activity check-check-check [5:17] A few ta

With four years of running this podcast behind me, I've been thinking about what I have learned from this journey and the many, many guests I've interviewed. Inspiration. Thought-provoking lessons. A change in perspective. All of my interviews and outdoor hours have left a mark on me. But this year, those are not my favorite takeaways. Instead? It's all about connections like the ones I talk about in this episode of my Outdoor Diary. Listen now! Connect with this episode: Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Nature for Everyone: Working for Outdoor Inclusivity and Respect (Brandi Small, inclusivity advocate and hiker) She Went Outside to Finish Her Dad's Epic Bucket List and Found Big Things About Herself (Laura Carney, author and bucket list chaser) Canoeing the Entire Mississippi River to Shatter Barriers (Cory Maria Dack, Canoe guide and inclusivity advocate) She's Conquering Trails with a Rare Brain Disease (Crystal Gail Welcome, BIPOC and disabled thru-hiker) Some of the good stuff: [:35] Four years = a lot of takeaways [1:33] But my favorite thing right now? Connections [1:35] And here's a bunch of my favorite examples, near and far [3:15] My other favorite connections? It's you, of course.

When life comes at you hard -- pain, trauma, injury, loss, grief -- the outdoors is there just waiting for you to use it for healing. You just have to go outside. That's what Denali Strabel, a semi-professional mountain runner and life-long Alaskan has found as she navigates the wide variety of victories and challenges life has thrown at her. From addiction to the loss of her identical twin sister, Rubye, Denali knows that by keeping the mountains a part of her, she can move through pain. In this episode Denali gifts us a rare window into what it's like to actively move through grief after loss while still in the thick of it as she's daily making the decision to heal and move. Hear Denali share how the mountains, ocean and running have been key in helping her with this challenge and so many others -- and learn how you, too, can lean on heading into nature to get through the hard stuff. Listen now. Connect with this episode: Follow Denali Strabel on Instagram Follow Rubye Blake (Denali's identical twin) on Instagram In honor of Denali's nephew, Gunnar Visit Denali's website Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [3:20] Denali Strabel's favorite outdoor space [5:45] Denali's outdoor story [8:35] What it's like to grow up in Seward [12:31] About Mount Marathon [16:05] Using nature to recover [22:25] The importance of reconnecting with the outdoors [29:53] All about Rubye Blake, Denali's identical twin sister [35:44] What it's like to lose a twin [44:22] Advice for dealing with grief when you're in the thick of it [53:44] Denali's favorite outdoor memory

It's a question I've heard several times over my more than 2,300-day outdoor streak: ‘what do you do if you're sick?' Since I've never missed a day, and I've definitely been sick more than once, you can easily guess that I still go outside. And fortunately the benefits I find there -- even though getting out in it takes extra effort -- make it all worth it. Of course they do. In this episode I talk about how (and why) I get outside even when I'm sick and down for the count. Listen now! Connect with this episode: Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [:35] You can tell when I'm sick -- probably [:59] But then you might assume this [2:11] I gotta get out there, but it's winter, so… [2:37] The best thing about the 20-minute minimum [3:10] Plus, then I'm grateful

One of my favorite benefits of spending time outside is how doing so daily has worked to better my relationships, giving me space to grow them in the context of nature. But did you know nature can also help when a relationship ends -- that it can literally be a part of healing heartbreak? In this Best Of episode we hear from best-selling author Florence Williams about her up close and personal study on that topic. You might remember Florence from her work on one of her previous books, The Nature Fix: Why Nature Makes Us Happier, Healthier and More Creative. She joined us to talk about the book in a previous episode of Humans Outside. In her new book Heartbreak (and the immersive audio book) Florence pairs her own experience with the kind of research she's known for, and in the process lays out a map for using nature to heal from a broken heart. Connect with this episode: Read or listen to Heartbreak by Florence Williams (affiliate link) Hear Florence Williams' previous episode on Humans Outside  Listen to Amy and Luke Bushats with Florence on the Outside Magazine podcast Follow Florence Williams on Facebook Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook   Some of the Good Stuff: [4:33] Florence William's favorite outdoor space [5:46] All about Florence's heartbreak [7:00] The not entirely secret story of Amy's heartbreak [8:53] Why heartbreak becomes a book [12:58] Why she decided to try a nature cure [17:01] What she tracked for her project [23:00] Exactly how to heal heartbreak by going outside [29:00] Can healing happen close to home? [32:55] Why this is all actually really simple -- but not immediate  [40:05] One surprising thing Florence learned  

It was a sad closing to the week in my house as we said “goodbye” to our dog of 12 years. We brought so much joy to each other. But it was time to let her go. Chloe was there when I first started spending time outside for nature's sake, so remembering her in an episode seemed like the least I could do to honor her place in our lives and the joy dogs bring so many of us. She was a very good girl. Terrible breath; but such a good girl. This one is for her. Connect with this episode: Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [:42] It was harder than I thought it would be [1:30] What kind of dog is she? [2:04] All about best good girl, Chloe [4:18] Ever tried to write news stories while a dog snores? [5:19] Please, pet a dog

Every now and then you run across something that captures your imagination while giving you a connection to an outdoor experience you loved. That's exactly how I felt the first time I came across one of the National Park posters designed by amateur parks historian Ranger Doug Leen and his team of artists and creators. The colors, design and connection to the past reminded me of all of the work and drama that went into protecting the lands I had come to love -- and why doing so is important. Many other collectors and park enthusiasts feel just as I do about the prints -- and the mystery and chase around creating them. In this episode Ranger Doug, so-called ‘Ranger of the Lost Art,' tells the story of chasing down the historic park prints, creating new ones in their style and why these connect visitors to the national parks they love. Listen now. Connect with this episode: All about Ranger Doug's art Buy the Ranger of the Lost Art table top book Follow Ranger Doug on Facebook Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [2:10] Talking to Doug Leen from here [3:44] Ranger Doug's outdoor story [5:53] A career that took him all sorts of place [7:48] How he became ‘Ranger of the Lost Art' [16:21] What these posters look like [20:27] Why people like the posters [22:29] How the posters connect us with the parks [27:22] How people can support this work [30:17] Doug's favorite outdoor space

Wondering if you really do have time for that epic outdoor adventure in the middle of your otherwise normal life, or not quite sure if you can make it happen? That's how I felt recently while trying to balance my desire to head out for an ice skating trip to a glacier with having 1 million surely very important things to do. Did I actually have time? Would I be dropping too many balls by going? The answer, of course, was that, yes, I had time. You have time to add some fun to your schedule, too. And in this episode I share some ideas for making it happen. Listen now. Connect with this episode: Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [:35] My brain said no but my heart said go [1:32] The work I've been doing on my brain [2:31] Epic things come when you make the time [2:44] A series of three helpful tips for making time for epic stuff during normal life

How do you handle zero-fun outdoor time? Push through and get the goal anyway before calling it quits? Wrap it up and head back to the car? Beat yourself up about quitting? Know that it's OK? This week on a mountain adventure with a few friends I found myself having zero fun time. The whole thing just didn't feel right. And I was big done. So what did I do? Listen now. Connect with this episode: Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [:46] OK, so I like a challenge [:59] But even I have to draw a line [1:55] So I started trying to work with my nervous system [2:48] But you know what? No. [3:44] Here's the permission we didn't need but we have anyway

How well do you know the outdoor areas near your home? I don't just mean the obvious spots, I mean all of the spaces. And what would happen if you took the time to truly and deeply explore them? That's something British adventurer and author Alastair Humphreys set out to discover as part of a personal project that turned into his new book, Local. Dividing the region into one-kilometer grid squares, Alastair systematically experienced all of the outdoor spaces near his urban home, and in the process became not only more familiar with where he lived, but also grew a deep appreciation for the nature around him found in some of the most unlikely places. In this episode you'll hear all about Alastair's truly local adventure, plus some of the simple benefits of taking time to enjoy everything -- the good, the bad, the ugly and the beautiful -- that nature has for you close to home. Listen now! Connect with this episode: Follow Alastair Humphreys on Facebook Follow Alastair on Instagram Visit Alastair's website Buy Alastair Humphrey's new book, Local (affiliate link) Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [3:08] Alastair Humphrey's favorite outdoor space [4:02] Alastair's outdoor story [5:46] What “Local” is about -- project and book [8:37] What is “nearby nature?” [10:35] For the record, I don't have this outside my window [11:38] What did Alastair find during his project that surprised him? [15:21] Embracing technology to make outside time better [17:59] The inspiration to fix problems [21:55] A mind shift to gratitude and curiosity [26:12] Taking the time for adventures big and small [28:36] How anyone can get started on a project like Local [34:03] Alistair's favorite outdoor moment

If you've been keeping your outdoor habit for awhile just like me, you might be looking for a way to give it a little boost. Or maybe you're new to this, but want to add a little spice or specific outings to your outdoor life. If that's you, this easy new outdoor habit I'm trying this year is probably the perfect fit. It's a simple, low time commitment and interesting option and I can't wait to see how it goes over the coming months. Want to join me? Learn all about it in this episode of Humans Outside. Listen now! Connect with this episode: About Alister Humphrey's “year in a tree” Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [:28] I was worried about getting stuck in a rut [:54] I was curious about forest bathing [1:22] And then I heard this idea from Alastair Humphreys -- brilliant! [2:19] How I picked my own version [3:24] Here's what I picked [4:05] Here's what I did while I was there [5:04] You should do this, too!

One of my favorite things I've gained from heading outside every day? The discovery that I have an incredibly useful superpower. No, it's not x-ray vision, time travel or flying, which is a bummer because those would all be very cool. It's a move power -- the power to make myself do things I don't want to do. And you cannot imagine how helpful this superpower is in all sorts of circumstances. I think you have a superpower, too. Let's figure out what it is. Listen now! Connect with this episode: Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [:35] I was here when I remembered my superpower [1:14] This is my superpower and why I love it [2:35] I think you have a superpower, too -- here's what it might be [3:29] Why these superpowers matter

The weather might be frightfulish or not exactly what you'd order for your perfect outdoor day, but Humans Outside is still out here helping you get inspired to build and keep that outdoor habit all year long. And now we're ready for Humans Outside season 9.

If new habits or a wellness practice refresh is on your mind, you're in good company. The start of a new year or new season often feels like the perfect time for a refresh. But if you're going to squeeze in a new helpful habit or practice, you might need to phase out an old, less-helpful one. And that's easy to say, but hard to do. In this episode of Humans Outside, wellness coach and habit expert Sarah Hays Coomer walks us through how to build good habits and get rid of old ones while talking through practical examples of how to make it happen. Listen now! Connect with this episode: Visit Sarah Hays Coomer's website Read Sarah's Forbes column Follow Sarah on Instagram Follow Sarah on Facebook Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook   Some of the good stuff: [2:54] Sarah Hays Coomer's favorite outdoor space [4:28] How Sarah became someone who likes to go outside [7:12] A little bit on the nuts and bolts of habits [9:29] Some practical habit building [14:41] The seasons of habits [18:20] The cruel irony of flexibility vs. consistency [19:30] Why some habits are hard to break [22:23] What a growth mindset has to do with it [24:00] The curiosity factor [28:30] Microdosing wellness [31:00] Fitting in the stuff you know you like even when the internet calls your name [34:18] Breaking out of a ‘bad' habit [37:16] You really do have time [39:52] Sarah's favorite outdoor moment

So you want to create a new habit -- maybe it's heading outside daily for that 20 minutes, maybe it's something related, maybe it's something else entirely. It can be easy to pick a really aggressive goal, or, on the flip side, toy with committing to something and then back out because you don't want to disappoint yourself.  In the happy middle, though, is aiming for a habit that both improves your wellness life and gives you what you need. So how do you get there? In this episode of Humans Outside, Sarah Hays Coomer, a wellness coach and habit expert joins us for a third time to talk about creating a habit that focuses on what you need, gently. Listen now.   Connect with this episode: Visit Sarah Hays Coomer's website Read Sarah's Forbes column Follow Sarah on Instagram Follow Sarah on Facebook Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook   Some of the good stuff: [2:34] Sarah Hays Coomer's favorite outdoor space [3:55] How Sarah became someone who likes to go outside [7:33] The nuts and bolts of a habit [16:27] The role of sustainability in habit picking [19:35] How to create a gentle guide for what you need [26:57] What counts as going outside? [32:40] Is habit building a muscle? [37:29] Some tips for a gentle wellness practice  

It's good to take a beat, think about the past few seasons and decide with intention how you want to go forward. My preferred method for memory? Photo scrolling. And so I dove into some memories of outdoor time from the past year, and when I was done I had found two important outdoor lessons that I can take with me to make my future choices and adventures that much better. … And they can help you, too. Listen now! Connect with this episode: Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [:35] Taking a cruise through old photos [1:05] A few lessons from the past year [2:03] The first lesson [2:49] Lesson, the second [4:26] My hope for you

Want to find a way to chase a goal for the new year without becoming one of the estimated 91% of Americans who abandon their new year's resolution before completion? Here at Humans Outside we believe that one simple habit can change your life. And if you're already chasing it, I have some simple ideas for you to give it a little boost.  Listen now. Connect with this episode: Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook  

In seasons of literal darkness it's important to hunt for the light. And there's plenty of places to find it -- warming fires, twinkle lights or the Menorah, shining stars, headlamps and more. But my favorite way is through a more figurative means: the light of other humans. With winter darkness and the importance of light on my mind, now is a perfect time to briefly pause and appreciate the light of humans as we go outside together.  Listen now.   Connect with this episode: Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [:35] The question: where do you find light? [1:00] The light situation around here [1:48] Some light places [2:45] My favorite source of light [3:06] Here's who they are and where to find them

Today's best of episode is with one of my favorite productivity thinkers, Laura Vanderkam. I love her for her practical advice and steps, including those shared in her most recent book Tranquility By Tuesday. This is the perfect episode to hear as you deal with an intense season of busy where pushing yourself outside in less than ideal weather may not be your favorite idea.  On the one hand is time management -- using steps to get the most out of every hour. On the other hand is energy and having the bandwidth to get it all done. So what happens when you're great at time management but always find yourself energy poor? You've got time to do everything you need to do, but lack the energy to get around to the things you want to do. Instead you feel rushed at best, or simply exhausted at worst. In this episode Laura lays out nine guidelines that she has found make a measurable difference in how satisfied people feel about how they spend their time. In this episode she digs into two of the nine and gives tips on how we can make them work for us.  Connect with this episode: Visit Laura Vanderkam's website Follow Laura on Instagram Follow Laura on Facebook Follow Laura on Twitter Listen to Best of Both Worlds Listen to Before Breakfast Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook   Some of the good stuff: [3:39] Laura Vanderkam pretty much just writes books for me [4:50] Laura's favorite outdoor space [7:13] What is tranquility? [9:37] What are the ‘Tranquility by Tuesday' rules? [12:44] Why is ‘three times a habit?' And what does that mean? [17:28] Intensity vs. consistency [21:00] All about ‘one big adventure, one little adventure' [24:15] There are no adventure police [27:00] We're back to intentionality again [30:30] Overcoming inertia [33:57] ‘Police the muscle'  

If the deep, dark winter and cold are hitting you like a ton of bricks just like they are hitting me, it might be time to stand back and remember what you've done in the past that can boost your mood this time of year. It's OK to say you hate the darkness and winter weather. Saying it out loud helps me move through it. But what isn't going to help me is giving up and hating it from my couch. So to fight back I'm trying a pair new outdoor habit experiments to see if they can help my mood and get me through the dark months. Learn more in this episode. Connect with this episode: A Humans Outside episode about Seasonal Depression (SAD) More about the “one big adventure, one little adventure” idea with Laura Vanderkam Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [:35] We've got the outdoor blahs [1:00] Oh, hi seasonal depression [3:00] Let's just acknowledge that everything actually is terrible [3:39] Busting me out of this mood in two parts [3:54] Chasing daylight [5:20] One big adventure, one little adventure

Modern American culture uses Greek mythology to refer to stars and constellations in the night sky. But a rich tradition of Native American astronomy and indigenous star stories is out there, too, waiting for us to learn it. Better yet? Learning star stories can help us chart the seasons and help us enjoy heading outside.  In this episode of Humans Outside Carl Gawboy, a Native American astronomer, Native Skywatchers elder and Ojibwe artist based in Minnesota, guides us through his groundbreaking work in Ojibwe star stories and what they can mean to us today. At almost 80, Carl shares a lifetime of work, study and cultural understanding with us.    Connect with this episode:  Learn about Native Skywatchers Learn about Carl Gawboy's art Read the Forest Service pamphlet that doesn't recognize the star stories Learn more about the Hegman Lake pictographs The Sun Dagger documentary Talking Sky by Carl Gawboy and Ron Mortin Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook   Some of the good stuff: [3:32] Carl Gawboy's favorite outdoor space [5:55] How Carl became someone who likes to go outside [7:31] How indigenous star stories because a part of his journey [16:32] How he discovered the connection of Ojibwe pictographs to star stories [26:19] What the Hegman Lake pictographs mean [32:05] The Ojibwe words for what's in those pictographs [34:00] What do you indigenous star stories teach us about our world today? [38:19] How Carl's artwork and star stories connect to simplicity [42:29] The role of myth in understanding our world [45:44] Using star stories to chart the year [48:57] How to learn more about star stories wherever you are 

When I moved to Alaska from Tennessee I was not someone who spent a lot of time outside, and I owned virtually no clothing you and I would think of as “winter gear.” I simply had no experience spending time outside in cold weather, and I had no idea what I was doing. In the years since I have quite a lot of time to practice going outside comfortably in all types of weather and seasons, which means I have had some time to figure out what I like to wear out there -- and what I don't. Maybe these experiences can help you, too, as you learn to how to stay warm and comfortable outside all winter long. Connect with this episode: Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [:35] I have a whole lot of practice with outdoor gear because it's winter here for months and months and months [1:30] First let's talk about the things I like the most and why [2:00] The star of the show [2:45] Foot stuff [3:31] The core of the issue [4:06] Neglect not the hood [4:41] Skip this stuff [4:45] Things that don't fit right [6:07] Cold heads even if they're cute

Learning how to stay warm and, therefore, comfortable in cold weather can be the difference between a great outdoor experience and one you never, ever want to have again. And while so much of the “what” of the clothing that you wear outside will be based on your own personal preferences and needs (helpful, right?), there are some basic building blocks that you can lean on to get started. Enter the mysterious yet necessary “base layer.” What do you need to know about picking a great base layer? What kind of fabric and fit should you look for? What goes on top of it? And why do some outdoor adventure clothes cost so much? In this episode Jen Loofbouroow, founder of the outdoor apparel company Alpine Fit, tells us all of the secrets to layering, gives her best tips for staying warm and happy during any outside adventure and walks us through what we need to know about getting dressed for cold weather. Listen now! Connect with this episode: Visit the Alpine Fit website Follow Alpine Fit on Instagram Follow Alpine Fit on Facebook Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [3:59] Jen Loofbourrow's favorite outdoor space [4:55] The very Canadian way she became someone who likes to go outside [5:51] The Alpine Fit story [8:35] A word of caution about too many good ideas during adventures [11:40] The secrets of sizing [22:32] What the heck is a “base layer” [24:02] Why we're glad layers don't have butt flaps anymore [25:00] A few gear essentials [28:41] What to wear on a normal person cold day [31:47] A digression on the subject of hand warmers [35:50] What to wear on a really cold day [41:24] A little bit about price point and why things are so expensive [50:16] Jen's favorite outdoor moment

If the annoying perky people in the world are right and your perspective really does determine your reality, then there's one tried and true way to make heading outside in less than great circumstances -- weather, schedule, whatever -- just a tiny bit better. I've tested what it's like to go out there with a bad attitude. So, what happens when I take a different track? And what happens if I do when things are really, really hard? I'm talking -15 degrees, blowing, very frosty, don't want to be there, have other stuff to do hard? Let's find out. Connect with this episode: Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [:35] A reality check [1:03] What happens when you have a bad one [1:45] I know this because I've tested it [2:20] A little hunting for the good and what I've found [2:58] A smart aleck saying that's true [3:59] Check in on me on this

Call it a gift of my daily outdoor habit: I am surprised to be grateful for some outdoor stuff that old me would've considered either not a big deal or downright bad. And yet here I am, including it on a gratitude list? Life is weird. Gratitude is a healing practice, and when it comes to challenging seasons (like winter … or any bad weather … or hard personal life stuff …) taking time to name it and claim it can be a powerful practice. And so here we are, listing it out. Connect with this episode: Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [:35] Back when I first started all of this [1:12] I am surprised by what I am grateful for, honestly [1:53] Here's a list of crazy things, including birds -- which, frankly, is weird [4:53] Here's the thing I'm still not grateful for, sorry

There's pushing yourself to chase big goals outside because it's something you want to do -- and then there's doing it because someone else can't. When Laura Carney found her dad's unfinished bucket list years after his tragic death, she knew completing it wasn't just a fun sounding idea -- it was something she absolutely had to do. And since many of the list items were outdoor activities, that meant digging deep to find the courage to step outside her comfort zone and tackle a series of crazy. Impossible-sounding tasks. What she learned on her journey to finishing his list for him goes beyond just self-discovery or liking new hobbies. The courage and insight she found through her time outside is fueling her life today -- and can inspire you to chase big dreams, too. Don't miss this excellent and inspiring episode with Laura. Listen now. Connect with this episode: Visit Laura Carney's website Follow Laura on Instagram Follow Laura on X (Twitter) Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [3:27] Laura Carney's favorite outdoor space [5:33] Who Laura became someone who likes to go outside [6:52] A little about Laura's dad and his list [10:39] What is a “thin place?” [15:33] Getting outside for list items [17:52] How working on the list changed her relationship with herself [21:34] How the list project changed her relationship with her husband [25:51] Some really good lessons from the list work [28:39] The big life lessons from the list [30:19] The value of learning to laugh at yourself [38:40] Making her own list and the rules that don't exist [42:54] Laura's favorite outdoor moment

If the weather outside is frightful or simply not delightful, how do you make yourself go outside anyway? What's the trick for getting past the discomfort and I-don't-want-to so you can experience what nature has to offer even in bad weather? I lean on two tools to help me -- and you can lean on them, too. Learn how in this episode. Listen now. Connect with this episode: Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [:35] Yes, it really is hard out there [2:00] So how do we make ourselves go out? [2:57] Here are two tools [3:29] First tool: gear [4:02] Second tool: a plan

We know heading outside helps us all sort through the junk of life -- a tough day, actual trauma, relationships, whatever. And veterans know spending time in nature also has special power over the wounds of military service. For Vedia Barnett, a disabled Black Air Force veteran and founder of the nonprofit organization Black Vets Outdoors, spending time outside has extra power. She's seen it work to heal the double trauma carried by those who carry both the burden of military service and the weight of racism. In this episode she talks about: Creating a sense of belonging outdoors Why reaching out and supporting Black veterans is important The power of heading outside for everyone Join us as we explore the transformative impact of nature on veterans, the incredible resilience and camaraderie found within veteran-led groups like Vedia's -- and how you can make an impact for them, too. Connect with this episode: Visit Black Vets Outdoors Connect with Vedia Barnett on LinkedIn Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [3:33] Vedia Barnett's favorite outdoor space [4:01] Vedia's outdoor story [4:40] About Vedia's military service [6:18] Yes, to join the military, she really did have to sign over custody of her son [9:08] Vedia's work with veterans [11:06] How does going outside help veterans? [14:06] Why a sense of belonging matters outside [16:44] Do military veterans experience healing outdoors differently from other people? [20:03] All about Black Vets Outdoors [22:38] Why outdoor affinity groups are important [25:00] Simply finding outdoor joy [29:02] How spending time outside impacts the Black veteran community, specifically [32:00] The impact of historic trauma [35:18] How Black vets can access the group and how allies can help [43:12] Vedia's favorite outdoor moment

When everything is cold, and drab and just not that great outside, are you able to find the small wonders in nature? It's that time of year when things aren't exactly lovely or pleasant all the time, and hunting for the good takes some work and some practice. It also takes understanding that the small wonders aren't going to be predictable -- you're going to have to work for them. So how do you make that happen? Learn how I'm doing it for myself in this episode. Listen now. Connect with this episode: Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [:53] No, I really am ridiculous about my habits [1:36] But heading outside has shown me this [2:06] Why October is terrible [2:25] How finding the small daily wonders changes my outlook [3:14] And then there are the bigger wonders [4:03] Take the time for this

What is it about wilderness that draws us? And how do you find wilderness wherever you are? Those are just two of the questions Jon Waterman, an author and adventurer best known for his work around Denali, the highest mountain in North America, tackles within the pages of his gorgeous new table-top book from National Geographic, Atlas of North America. But this book sparks more than just awe for the wilds across the nation. In this episode Jon takes us on a journey through: The evolving definition of wilderness Why that definition and those places matter How we can experience the true essence of wild places And yet wilderness isn't just about physical landscapes, Jon says. Learn why in this fascinating conversation. Listen now! Connect with this episode: Visit Jon Waterman's website Check out his gorgeous new book, The Atlas of Wild America (affiliate link) Follow Jon on Instagram Follow Jon on Facebook Join the Humans Outside Challenge Follow Humans Outside on Instagram Follow Humans Outside on Facebook Some of the good stuff: [2:26] Jon Waterman's favorite outdoor space [3:35] How Jon became someone who likes to go outside [6:26] Why Alaska is special to Jon [7:06] Why wilderness matters [10:36] What is wilderness, anyway? [14:02] Did he leave anything out of the book? [16:59] Did he almost skip including anything because it's just too special to him? [22:22] Why going to wilderness is important [28:30] How to get yourself into wilderness [35:20] Why easy-access places are important, too [37:22] Jon's favorite outdoor moment