The Steep Stuff Podcast

Send us a textMatt Daniels opens up about his journey through the highs and lows of professional trail running in this wide-ranging, candid conversation. After battling significant health issues from mold exposure while simultaneously going through a divorce, Daniels shares how he's rebuilding his season around the prestigious Run Rabbit Run ultramarathon.The conversation takes us behind the scenes of the phenomenally successful Boulder Boys podcast, which Daniels co-hosts. What started as casual conversations among friends has evolved into one of trail running's most popular media outlets, now part of Jonathan Levitt's podcast collective. Daniels' insights into this unexpected career development reveal how athletes can build platforms beyond their competitive results.As a former Nike-sponsored athlete with experience at world-class events like Sierre-Zinal and Zegama, Daniels offers a rare perspective on the sponsorship landscape in trail running. At 37, he speaks frankly about how his priorities have shifted—now seeking partnerships that value his community contributions alongside race results. His partnership with Hyperlight nutrition exemplifies this approach, where relationship quality trumps transactional sponsorship.Throughout the conversation, Daniels thoughtfully addresses the future of trail running, expressing concerns about potential Olympic inclusion while acknowledging the sport's growing professionalization. His training approach for Run Rabbit Run (focusing on time rather than mileage) and plans for races like JFK 50 and Black Canyon provide valuable insights for ultrarunners at any level.Whether you're fascinated by the business side of trail running, interested in ultramarathon training approaches, or simply enjoy authentic conversations with thoughtful athletes, this episode delivers remarkable depth and honesty. Follow Matt on Instagram @mattdaniels480, check out the Boulder Boys podcast, and reach out directly if you're interested in his coaching services.Follow Matt on IG - @mattdaniels480Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textGet ready for an exhilarating UTMB OCC race preview that blends expert analysis with laugh-out-loud banter! James Lariello teams up with Teddy Tonelli from the Chasing Trail podcast to break down this iconic 55K mountain race that features over 11,000 feet of climbing through some of the most spectacular terrain in the Alps.The duo dives deep into what makes OCC special - from its technical course that prohibits switchback cutting to the mandatory gear requirements that add an extra layer of challenge. With forecasts showing potential rain and temperatures ranging from 48-68°F, the stage is set for an unpredictable battle on the trails.At the heart of this preview is the much-anticipated showdown between Jim Walmsley and Adam Peterman, two American ultra-running stars rarely seen competing in the same race. Has Walmsley's move to France (and his newly acquired French accent, as the hosts joke) given him the European edge? Can Peterman, coming back from injuries, reclaim his position among the elite? The hosts also highlight other Americans to watch including Michelino Sanseri and rising star Cade Michael.On the women's side, defending champion and course record holder Mao Yao returns to face stiff competition from Switzerland's Judith Weider and a strong American contingent led by Hannah Allgood and Sophia Lockley. Canadian Jasmine Lather, fresh off setting records on the Grand Teton, brings her exceptional climbing ability into the mix.Between the analysis, Teddy and James deliver hilarious commentary on everything from European shower habits to the dangers of aggressive Alpine cows, making this preview as entertaining as it is informative. Their chemistry shines through as they debate their podium picks and contemplate the future of betting in trail running.Whether you're planning to follow the live coverage or just want to understand what makes OCC one of the most competitive races of the UTMB weekend, this episode offers the perfect blend of insight, predictions, and trail running culture. Tune in before Thursday's race to get fully primed for what promises to be an epic mountain running showdown!Follow Chasing Trail on Spotify - @chasingtrail Follow Chasing Trail on Apple - @chasingtrailFollow Chasing Trail on Youtube - @chasingtrailFollow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textEver wonder what happens when one of America's most talented track athletes fully commits to the trails? Liam Meirow joins us fresh off his win at the Y East Trail Fest 28K to share exactly that journey.Growing up in Summit County, Colorado, Liam's path wasn't initially pointed toward running - he dreamed of becoming a professional skateboarder or snowboarder. After finding success in high school running, he pursued a collegiate career at Oklahoma, where despite dedication, he never quite reached his full potential. The true breakthrough came after graduation when the pressure lifted and freedom entered his training approach."When you feel good and there's no stress, things just come easier," Liam explains, describing how his post-collegiate mindset shift led to remarkable performances. After joining Bowerman Track Club's elite team in Portland and working for Nike, Liam gradually transitioned to trail running. The pivotal moment arrived in 2023 when he made Team USA for the World Mountain and Trail Running Championships in Austria, placing as the top North American.What makes this conversation particularly illuminating is Liam's candid discussion of the mental challenges elite athletes face. After signing with Nike and experiencing early success, the 2024 season brought struggles and disappointment, including missing the World Championship team. Through this adversity, Liam rediscovered his fundamental motivation: "The rock's always there. You just have to block out that other stuff and bring it back."Today, Liam balances track workouts with trail adventures, mixing distances from 28K to 50K while keeping his training fresh and motivating. As the sport of trail running grows and evolves, his perspective on maintaining its soul while embracing professional opportunities provides valuable insight for where we might be headed.Have you been overthinking your running? This episode might just inspire you to reconnect with the joy and freedom that made you fall in love with the sport in the first place.Follow Liam on IG - @liamrunsFollow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textSpecial Announcement - Live Podcast at the La Sportiva Summer Run Series with Special Guest - Anton KrupickaRSVP will be going live soon, so mark your calendars ! When : Thursday, September 11th Where: La Sportiva Store, Boulder Colorado Time: 5:00pm event start           5:30pm run start           6:45pm Live Podcast DM me on Instagram with any questions ! ________________________________________________________-Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textJane Maus' trail running journey embodies perseverance against formidable odds. After multiple extended injury layoffs that nearly ended her running career, she's emerged as one of America's premier mountain athletes. Her remarkable comeback culminated in earning a coveted spot on Team USA for the World Trail Running Championships in Canfranc, Spain this September.The conversation reveals how strategic racing propelled Jane to success at the fiercely competitive Broken Arrow 46K. Despite rolling her ankle just days before the race, she executed a flawless race plan—conservatively pacing the first lap to stay within the top ten, then maintaining steady effort while others faded. This fourth-place finish, behind only some of the sport's biggest names, secured her selection to represent her country on the global stage.Beyond race results, Jane offers refreshing perspective on injury management that resonates with runners at all levels. "I thought I was the only one consistently taking time off and working through these things," she shares, "but then talking to other runners and people on start lines—it's extremely common." This realization helped transform her approach to training, embracing quality over sheer volume.The conversation shifts to her exciting summer plans—training in Wyoming's mountainous terrain while attempting the Grand Teton FKT (Fastest Known Time). This ambitious goal, despite never having climbed the Grand before, exemplifies her thoughtful approach to progression in the sport. She's balancing high-performance racing with adventure, strategically adjusting her schedule to optimize her World Championship preparation.Her victory at the Cirque Series Snowbird race highlights another dimension of her racing prowess. Competing in her hometown against a stacked field, Jane describes the unique camaraderie she shared with fellow competitor Alexa Jornsten as they pushed each other up the brutal climb. Together they broke the "curse" of the course preview, demonstrating that mental barriers often fall when approached with the right mindset.What's your approach to balancing competitive goals with adventure? Follow Jane's journey toward the World Championships and beyond by subscribing to the Steep Stuff Podcast wherever you get your podcasts.Follow Jane on IG - @_janemaus_Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textTwo of trail running's most beloved podcasts collide in this dynamic exploration of the sport's evolution, challenges, and future. The hosts of SubHub and Steep Stuff dive deep into trail running's identity crisis, debating whether "short trail" or "sub-ultra" better describes races under marathon distance – a conversation that reveals much about how we frame our sport's narrative.The discussion moves through fascinating territory, examining how races can achieve iconic status in today's sponsorship-driven landscape. Can events survive without being part of major series like Golden Trail? The hosts identify community integration as the secret ingredient behind legendary races like Zegama and Mount Marathon, where locals have embraced these events as cultural touchstones rather than merely athletic competitions.Perhaps most illuminating is the frank conversation about athlete longevity and economics. While shorter distances might extend competitive careers, financial realities often push talented runners toward ultras prematurely. Geographic advantages become starkly apparent as the hosts acknowledge how athletes based in trail running hubs like Boulder or California's mountain towns enjoy significantly better sponsorship opportunities than equally talented runners from other regions.The episode culminates with a celebration of standout performers, highlighting athletes like Jen Lichter ("possibly the best mountain 50K runner on the planet right now"), Anna Gibson, and remarkably, Ryan Becker – a consistent podium finisher still without major sponsorship. Rising stars like Mason Copey, Taylor Stack, and Courtney Coppinger round out this insightful assessment of trail running's current competitive landscape.Whether you're a competitive trail runner, industry insider, or passionate fan, this collaboration offers rare insight into the sport's growing pains and potential future. Follow both podcasts across all platforms and join the conversation about where trail running goes from here.Follow the Sub Hub on IG - @the_subhub_podFollow Dani Moreno on IG - @dan_yell_aFollow EmKay Sullivan on IG - @emkaysulliFollow James Lauriello on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textAnnouncing a Collaboration Episode Between the Sub Hub Podcast & The Steep Stuff ! Dropping tonight at 11pm MST - we will be releasing a "State of Sub Ultra" episode ! Part 1 will be available on the Sub Hub Podcast and Part 2 will be available on the Steep Stuff Podcast ! We hope you can tune in !  

Send us a textSarah Kushner captivates listeners with her remarkable journey from childhood jogs through Garden of the Gods to becoming the 2024 Pikes Peak Marathon Champion. With disarming honesty and warmth, she reveals how walking on to Baylor University's track team as a steeplechaser laid the foundation for her trail running success, despite never being the fastest collegiate runner.What makes Sarah's story particularly compelling is her perspective on competition and community. While fiercely competitive (something she admits hides beneath her friendly exterior), she approaches running with refreshing balance. She's intentionally stepped away from the comparison trap of social media and start lists, focusing instead on her own progress and enjoyment of the sport. This mental approach, developed with coach Megan Roche, has been key to maintaining her passion for running.Beyond her athletic achievements, Sarah's commitment to giving back stands out. She serves on the Pikes Peak Marathon board of directors, works as a Lululemon ambassador organizing community events, and coaches high school cross-country with special attention to developing runners who aren't naturally the fastest. This service ethic, rooted in her faith and family values, creates a powerful counterbalance to the often self-focused nature of endurance sports.The conversation delves into practical aspects of her training too—balancing urban runs in Denver with weekend trail adventures, preparing for the elite Broken Arrow 46K race, and her aspirations to eventually tackle 100-mile distances. Throughout, her genuine love for the mountains and the running community shines through, making it clear why she's become such a beloved figure in Colorado's trail running scene.Whether you're a competitive runner seeking performance insights or simply love stories of determination and community impact, Sarah's thoughtful reflections on finding meaning both on and off the trails will leave you inspired to pursue your own balanced path to fulfillment.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textNestled in the Swiss Alps, Sierre-Zinal stands as perhaps the most competitive short trail race on the planet. It's the place where mountain running meets marathon speed in a showcase of pure athletic brilliance. To help break down this iconic event, host James Lauriello welcomes the perfect co-host – Bailey Kowalczyk, who scored a remarkable 5th place finish at the race in 2022.Bailey paints a vivid picture of what makes Sierre-Zinal so special: "It has that European energy – people with enormous Swiss cowbells and even chainsaws at the summit creating this electric atmosphere." The course itself demands a unique combination of skills that few races require – starting with a punishing double vertical kilometer climb before traversing high alpine terrain and finishing with a quad-crushing descent. As Bailey explains, "You have to be a Jack of all trades to succeed here. It's fast, it's technical in sections, and the competition is relentless."What truly separates Sierre-Zinal from other prestigious trail races is the depth of competition. The gap between first and tenth place is often remarkably tight, with mere minutes separating the top finishers in a race that takes elite men just over two hours and women around three hours to complete. The 2024 edition promises another spectacular battle with defending women's champion Jolene Chepchumba returning alongside a deep Kenyan contingent and a historically strong American field that could see multiple athletes crack the top 10.James and Bailey offer detailed analysis of both the men's and women's fields, complete with their top-five predictions. With defending champion Kilian Jornet absent, the men's race appears wide open with Philemon Kirwa as the betting favorite after his second-place finish last year. For anyone passionate about elite trail running or looking for insight into one of the sport's most hallowed events, this comprehensive preview delivers expert commentary from someone who's stood on Sierre-Zinal's prestigious podium.Follow Bailey on IG - @baileykowalczykFollow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textGrant Colligan sits down with the Steep Stuff podcast to share his fascinating journey from Michigan flatlands to Colorado mountain peaks. Despite growing up in the Midwest without access to mountains, Grant developed into an elite trail runner while maintaining his career as a metallurgist.The conversation explores how Grant's decorated collegiate running career at Colorado School of Mines (where he earned 10 All-American honors) ended abruptly—first by being tripped in his final cross country race, then by the pandemic canceling his track season. This unfulfilling conclusion led him to trail running in 2023, where he quickly found success with a podium finish at the Moab Trail Half Marathon.Grant offers valuable insights into his training philosophy, maintaining a collegiate-style approach with two key workouts weekly rather than completely abandoning track principles for trail-specific training. "At the high level, you still have to be a really good runner to be a good trail runner," he explains, challenging the notion that trail success requires entirely different preparation.We dive deep into his recent performances, including his impressive top-15 finish at the Broken Arrow 23K Golden Trail Series race and his near-podium at the GoPro Games 20K—all while recovering from a unique piriformis nerve injury that counterintuitively required more running to heal. Grant also discusses his upcoming European racing debut at the Golden Trail Series event in Austria and the legendary Sierre-Zinal, which he approaches with strategic humility.Perhaps most fascinating is Grant's dual perspective as both competitor and coach at Colorado School of Mines, where he witnesses firsthand how collegiate runners are becoming increasingly "trail curious" as they recognize career opportunities in mountain running. Through his connection with Andy Wacker's Trail Team, Grant has found community and mentorship that have accelerated his progression in the sport.Follow Grant on Instagram @gmoney_hoppin as he takes on Europe's most challenging mountain courses and pursues his goal of winning a US Mountain Running Championship.Follow Grant on IG - @gmoneyhoppinFollow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textWhat happens when an elite athlete rejects pressure and runs purely for joy? Courtney Coppinger's remarkable transformation from burned-out track star to trail running standout offers a blueprint for finding success through authenticity and boundary-setting.A Kansas native and All-American steeplechaser at the University of Kansas, Courtney's path took unexpected turns after representing Team USA internationally in 2019. She candidly shares her journey through multiple "retirements" from professional running, the personal struggles that led to identity crises, and the profound healing that ultimately brought her back to the sport—but on entirely different terms.The turning point came when Courtney set an uncompromising boundary for herself: no nervousness, no pressure, no expectations. This radical shift in mindset coincided with joining the Brooks team, where she was refreshingly honest about wanting to be valued as a person and mentor first, rather than promising championship results. What followed was startling—a breakout 2025 season featuring podium finishes, race victories, and ultimately selection to represent Team USA at the World Mountain Running Championships.Beyond the trail results, Courtney offers wisdom about balancing athletic pursuits with wholeness, describing how she's found fulfillment through coaching (co-founding Wild Rights coaching collective with Grayson Murphy and Rachel Tomajczyk), community-building, and embracing a life outside corporate constraints. Her perspective on success as something flowing from joy rather than striving provides a refreshing counterpoint to traditional athletic narratives.Whether you're battling burnout, questioning your relationship with competition, or simply seeking a more sustainable approach to performance, Courtney's story demonstrates how honoring your authentic self can lead to unexpected breakthroughs—in running and in life.Follow Courtney on IG - @cpcop__Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textFrom collegiate rejection to trail running triumph, Sarah Carter's story is one of extraordinary resilience and self-discovery. After being cut from her university team and told she lacked potential, Sarah transferred to Colorado State University where she rebuilt her confidence and reignited her passion for running.Our conversation dives deep into Sarah's remarkable capacity to overcome adversity – a quality that defines her athletic journey. She candidly shares the emotional toll of her college transfer, the years spent rebuilding her confidence, and how these experiences shaped her approach to professional competition. Rather than viewing setbacks as endpoints, Sarah sees them as redirection toward where she's meant to be.We explore her recent success at the Tepe Pack Trail Golden Trail Series race in Mexico, where she secured an impressive 8th place finish despite coming off a significant glute injury. Sarah reveals how she managed this performance with minimal training, sharing the mental strategies that helped her excel when physical preparation wasn't ideal.The discussion takes us through her partnership with Topo Athletic, training alongside elite runners in Boulder, and finding her sweet spot in distances up to 50K. Sarah offers valuable insights about the competitive nature of shorter trail distances and why patience in progression can yield better results than rushing to ultra distances.What emerges is a portrait of an athlete who embodies grit and authenticity. Sarah's journey teaches us that our greatest growth often comes through our biggest challenges – a reminder that perseverance isn't just about pushing through physical pain, but about maintaining belief in yourself when others don't. Whether you're a competitive trail runner or someone facing your own obstacles, Sarah's story will inspire you to embrace the winding path to your highest potential.Follow Sarah on IG - @sarah_carter_xcFollow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textRyan Becker and Lindsay Allison join the Steep Stuff Podcast fresh off their selection to the US Trail Running World Championship team, bringing listeners a candid glimpse into the realities of high-level mountain running while balancing demanding careers.The conversation begins with Ryan's breakthrough performance at Broken Arrow 46K—a victory made more remarkable by the circumstances surrounding it. Working 70-80 hours weekly at a new job, Ryan nearly withdrew from the race entirely just days before. This work pressure paradoxically created the mental space for his best performance yet. Meanwhile, Lindsay shares her struggle with an unexpected asthma attack during her own Broken Arrow race, demonstrating the unpredictable challenges elite athletes face even with perfect preparation.What truly distinguishes this episode is the honest discussion about the psychological aspects of achievement in ultrarunning. Lindsay articulates the surprising difficulty of "recalibrating" after reaching long-held goals: "Having been an underdog for seven years, now my mindset has shifted. Where do I get my motivation now?" This refreshing vulnerability reveals how success brings its own unique pressures and identity questions that athletes rarely discuss publicly.Unlike many professional ultrarunners who can spend weeks training on course before major events, both Ryan and Lindsay must fit their world-class performances around full-time careers. Their strategies for maximizing limited training time and their practical approach to race preparation offer valuable insights for listeners navigating similar balance challenges.As they look ahead to the grueling Speed Goat 50K with its 10,000+ feet of elevation gain, the couple shares course insights, nutrition strategies, and reflections on how the increasing depth of competition is transforming the sport. Their genuine love for mountain running shines through every segment of this conversation.Join us for this fascinating discussion about finding excellence in both career and ultrarunning, and discover how two of America's top mountain runners approach the delicate balance between professional ambition, athletic achievement, and finding joy in the journey.Follow Lindsay on IG - @l_allisonFollow Ryan on IG - @r_beckzFollow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textMeet Scott Klingonsmith, a rising star in the mountain running scene who's ready to take on one of America's most challenging ultramarathons. At just 20 years old, this Utah-based athlete brings fresh energy and strategic thinking to the grueling Speed Goat 50K.Scott shares his fascinating journey from dabbling in ultras to deliberately focusing on shorter trail races to build speed, and now returning to test himself against the punishing 11,000 feet of elevation gain at Speed Goat. What sets Scott apart is his methodical preparation – he's been exploring the course's notorious rocky back section that has "ruined a lot of people's races," working closely with his Hoka coach Emily Schmitz to build the specific strength needed for Speed Goat's relentless terrain.The conversation dives deep into Scott's race strategy and nutrition plan, revealing the thoughtful approach of an athlete wise beyond his years. Rather than relying on conventional gels, Scott has dialed in a liquid nutrition strategy delivering 90 grams of carbohydrates per hour, carried in a combination of waist-mounted and handheld bottles. His racing approach balances competitive ambition with practical wisdom, as he plans to maintain contact with the lead group while recognizing when to make strategic moves on the course's long descents.Coming off an impressive top-20 finish at the US Mountain Running Championships at Sunapee, Scott represents the exciting next generation of mountain runners from the Wasatch. As host James Lariello notes, Speed Goat has historically launched the careers of Utah-based trail stars like Hayden Hawks and Christian Allen – could Scott be next? Join us for this illuminating conversation that captures both the technical preparation and the infectious enthusiasm of trail running's rising talent.Follow Scott on IG - @scotty_ksmittyFollow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textFrom defending 28K champion to 50K challenger, Robin Lesch brings her trademark consistency and strategic approach to this year's Speedgoat 50K. The mountain ultrarunner from Durango shares a refreshingly honest assessment of her racing philosophy: "I'll either blow up, and that'll be a learning, or I won't, and that'll be a learning."Robin's consistency across diverse race distances and terrains stands out in a sport where many experience dramatic performance swings. She attributes this to her measured racing style—staying within herself during the first half before hunting down competitors in the latter stages. With coaching from Robbie Britton for four years, she's developed a dependable approach that regularly lands her near podium positions.Training in Durango provides the perfect playground for mountain race preparation. With the La Plata Mountains essentially in her backyard and the San Juans just an hour away, Robin has easy access to punishing vertical gain—ideal for preparing for Speedgoat's brutal 11,000 feet of climbing. She's also simplified her nutrition strategy over time, moving away from complicated plans to focus primarily on gels and water, with her sister Celia providing crucial crew support during the race.What truly sets Robin apart is her mindset toward goal-setting. Rather than fixating on placement or times, she focuses on process-oriented objectives: pushing hard on specific sections or maintaining a higher effort throughout. This approach allows her to concentrate on her own performance rather than getting caught up in what others are doing. As women's ultrarunning continues to evolve with increasingly competitive fields, Robin's thoughtful approach to racing and training offers valuable insights for runners at all levels looking to find consistency and joy in mountain ultras.Follow Robyn on IG ! - @Trails4SmilesFollow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textThe legendary Speedgoat 50k isn't just another mountain race—it's a brutal test of endurance that has humbled even the sport's greatest athletes. With 11,400 feet of climbing packed into 31 miles at altitudes reaching 11,000 feet, this Karl Meltzer creation has rightfully earned its reputation as America's toughest 50k.James and Nick dive deep into what makes this race so special, tracing its rich history through the performances of ultrarunning royalty like Kilian Jornet, Anton Krupicka, and Jim Walmsley. They analyze David Sinclair's mind-blowing course record (4:57:35) set last year when he became the first runner to break the 5-hour barrier, while marveling at how the women's record has incredibly stood untouched since Anita Ortiz ran 6:02:06 back in 2008.This year's field might be the deepest in race history. The women's battle features defending champion Jasmine Lowther, Broken Arrow winner Jennifer Lichter, mountain running star Grayson Murphy stepping up in distance, and local favorite Mally Noyes who knows every inch of the course. On the men's side, Michelino Senseri stands as the clear favorite—the only runner in the field who has broken 5:20, and he's done it twice.What makes the conversation particularly fascinating is the hosts' analysis of the unique skills this course demands. Unlike many ultras, Speedgoat rewards ski mountaineering strength and climbing ability over pure running talent, explained by the exposed nature of the course running across ski slopes with minimal tree cover. Weather becomes crucial too, with cooler temperatures potentially setting the stage for record attempts.Whether you're planning your fantasy picks, preparing to race, or simply love the drama of mountain ultrarunning, this preview provides all the insights you need to understand why Speedgoat has become one of the most respected measuring sticks in trail running—a race where legends are tested and new ones are born.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textWelcome to a captivating conversation with Alexa Aragon, the rising trail running star who's taken the mountain running scene by storm. With remarkable top-10 finishes at the Broken Arrow Sky Race, Sunapee Scramble, and most recently, a second-place finish at Cirque Series Snowbird, Alexa has quickly established herself as someone the trail running world needs to watch.What makes Alexa's story particularly fascinating is her unorthodox path. Unlike many elite trail runners, she balances her competitive pursuits with a full-time career as a middle school math teacher. Growing up in Montana in a family of runners (her parents literally met at a track meet!), Alexa excelled as a steeplechaser at Notre Dame before stepping away from competitive running to work in public health in Ecuador. It wasn't until moving to Utah's Wasatch Mountains that she rediscovered her competitive spirit through local trail races.Alexa shares her refreshingly unconventional approach to training - "It's a little chaotic, it's just kind of what I feel like and what makes me have fun." Without a coach or structured program, she runs 30-40 miles weekly, complemented by rock climbing and mountain biking. Her race strategy? "Full send and find out" - a fearless approach that's yielded impressive results against established professionals. We dig into her experiences at Broken Arrow, her mountaineering adventures (including a 42-hour attempt at the WURL), and her passion for introducing underrepresented youth to outdoor sports through her school's adventure club.Whether you're a competitive trail runner, weekend warrior, or simply love inspiring stories of people forging their own path, Alexa's journey demonstrates how making running truly your own can lead to unexpected success and genuine fulfillment. Follow along as she shares her experiences from hiding under rocks during thunderstorms to standing on podiums alongside the sport's biggest names.Follow Alexa on IG - @_lexi_aragonFollow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textThe steep stuff podcast delivers a fascinating glimpse into the minds of elite mountain runners in this special episode featuring the Bar Trail Mountain Race Elite Night panel. Host James Loriello brings listeners directly into the pre-race conversation with six accomplished athletes preparing to tackle one of Colorado Springs' most iconic trail races.The episode opens with crucial safety information from El Paso County Search and Rescue, highlighting the unique challenges of the course, including the infamous Big Boulder section where traffic jams are inevitable. Their practical advice serves as a sobering reminder that even elite athletes must respect the mountain.What follows is an intimate discussion with panelists Melissa Rogers, Wendy Roberts, Amanda Kozlowski, Benjamin Townsend, John Aziz, and Dean Abel. Each athlete shares their distinct running journey – from those who competed in high school to others who discovered their talent decades later. Their stories prove that elite performance can emerge at any age when passion and dedication align.Particularly moving is John Aziz's experience balancing new fatherhood with elite competition. Just three weeks after his daughter's birth, he's toeing the line against Colorado's best mountain runners. Meanwhile, Benjamin Townsend provides a global perspective as he recounts racing across multiple continents on the Skyrunner World Series circuit.The conversation takes unexpected turns as athletes reveal their preferences between climbing and descending, their favorite races worldwide, and even their non-running hobbies – from hacky sack to dog parenting. When asked about motivation, their answers range from supportive partners to the simple joy of experiencing nature without a phone in hand.Whether you're preparing to race Bar Trail yourself or simply curious about what drives elite mountain runners, this episode offers candid insights into the physical challenges, mental strategies, and personal connections that make trail running such a rewarding pursuit. The camaraderie among these competitors reminds us that even at the highest levels, the trail running community remains supportive, genuine, and grounded in shared passion.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textSteve White brings a refreshing perspective to mountain sports as both the West Coast Race Director for the Cirque Series and an accomplished athlete in his own right. Through our conversation, Steve offers a glimpse behind the curtain of what it takes to create memorable race experiences while maintaining his personal connection to mountains and movement.What sets Steve apart is his approach to adventure – less concerned with structure or external validation and more focused on inspiration and meaningful experiences. He describes finding running in his twenties not as a competitive pursuit but as a way to move his body and connect with nature. This philosophy has carried through to his current approach of pursuing what excites him rather than adhering to rigid training plans.The highlight of our conversation revolves around an extraordinary human-powered adventure Steve undertook last summer. Linking three significant peaks – Gannet Peak, Granite Peak, and the Grand Teton – entirely by bike and foot, this journey exemplified the self-sufficient spirit he admires in mountain runners like Anton Krupicka and Kyle Richardson. Along the way, Steve experienced a rare face-to-face encounter with a wolverine, one of only three documented in the Wind River Range at that time – a moment of pure wilderness connection that transcended athletic achievement.Throughout our discussion, Steve champions what he calls the "quiet crushers" – those who accomplish incredible feats without broadcasting them. In a social media age where adventures are often performed for an audience, his celebration of personal experience over external validation offers a compelling counterbalance to outdoor culture's sometimes relentless self-promotion.Whether you're looking to understand the inner workings of mountain race directing, seeking inspiration for your next human-powered adventure, or simply wanting to reconnect with the pure joy of moving through mountains, Steve's story reminds us why we venture into wild places – not for recognition, but for the depth of experience and connection they provide.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textWhen Noah Williams crossed the finish line at Broken Arrow 46K in fourth place, beating dozens of elite international competitors, he knew something special had happened. "I felt almost out of body," he shares, describing that rare state where everything clicks perfectly into place. Just one week later, he stood on the podium at Italy's prestigious Lavaredo 80K.This conversation takes us deep into the mind of one of America's most exciting mountain runners. From his Vermont roots to his current home in the thin air of Leadville, Colorado, Noah reveals how his winter as a ski patroller and dedicated skimo athlete built the foundation for his breakthrough performances. With remarkable candor, he explains how accumulating 20,000 feet of weekly vertical gain on skis translated directly into running power once the snow melted.Noah offers a refreshing perspective on training philosophy, eschewing rigid workout structures for mountain-based efforts that keep him mentally engaged. "I try to focus on what really motivates me – interesting terrain and big climbs," he explains. This intuitive approach stands in contrast to conventional wisdom but has clearly yielded exceptional results.The discussion expands beyond personal performance to tackle the current state of trail running culture. Noah doesn't hold back when addressing what he sees as an "ultra bias" in media coverage and sponsorship priorities. "Ultra running is not that competitive," he argues, pointing to the depth of fields in races like Broken Arrow compared to most hundred-mile events. His passionate advocacy for sub-ultra distances reflects a belief that the sport's future lies in developing athletes progressively rather than pushing them prematurely toward extreme distances.Whether you're fascinated by elite training methods, curious about the intersection of skiing and running, or simply inspired by authentic mountain athletes, this conversation offers invaluable insights into what it takes to compete among the world's best. Join us for this riveting discussion with a trail runner whose star is clearly on the rise.Follow Noah on IG - @nowawillFollow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textThe trail running world has a new star to watch, and she comes from an unexpected background. Rena Schwartz, fresh off her victory at the Mount Washington Road Race, joins the Steep Stuff Podcast to share the fascinating journey that took her from Nordic skiing champion at Dartmouth College to dominating some of America's most challenging mountain races.What makes Reena's rapid rise in trail running so remarkable is how new she is to competitive racing. After graduating from Dartmouth in 2022 where she competed as an elite Nordic skier, Reena moved to Boulder and almost accidentally discovered her talent for mountain running. Within months, she stunned the trail community with a fifth-place finish at the US Mountain Running Championships at Sunapee Scramble before claiming victory at the iconic Mount Washington Road Race.Throughout our conversation, Rena reveals how her extensive Nordic skiing background created the perfect foundation for mountain running success. The physiological adaptations, training approach, and mental toughness developed through years of elite skiing transferred seamlessly to the trails. "Most of [ski training] is honestly hiking," she explains. "Skiers, when they're going slow training, they're going slow training, and so you're hiking a lot. I think that's probably a huge part of the way I run today."What truly sets Rena apart is her balanced perspective on athletic achievement. Currently pursuing a master's degree in social work, she views running as one component of a multifaceted life rather than her sole focus. As she navigates the possibilities of sponsorships and more competitive racing, she brings a refreshing mindset to a sport often defined by singular dedication. For anyone fascinated by athletic crossover potential, the science of endurance performance, or simply inspiring stories of unexpected excellence, Reena's journey offers valuable insights into what's possible when Nordic skiing precision meets mountain running passion.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textThe mountain running world turns its attention to Palisades Tahoe this week for what promises to be an epic showdown at the Broken Arrow 46K. This isn't just any race – it's a Team USA selection event that has attracted virtually every elite mountain runner in the country, creating what might be the most competitive field ever assembled on American soil.The race itself presents a formidable challenge: approximately 28 miles with a punishing 9,000 feet of vertical gain over two loops. Course record holder David Sinclair's time of roughly four hours could be under threat this year, with perfect weather conditions and extraordinary talent at the starting line. Unlike previous years where scorching heat played a factor, this year's forecast calls for cooler temperatures in the 60s, potentially setting the stage for blistering performances.What makes this race particularly fascinating is the strategic complexity surrounding Team USA selection. Several favorites, including Eli and Tabor Hemming, have indicated they may decline team spots even if they qualify, preferring to focus on European races like OCC and CCC. This creates a dynamic where some athletes are racing purely for personal achievement while others see this as their golden opportunity to represent their country internationally. With limited spots available and such depth of talent, expect fierce competition down to the final descent.The women's field features multiple former champions including Helen Mino Faulkner and Jennifer Lichter, with Grayson Murphy's potential participation looming large over the competition. On the men's side, Eli Hemming enters as the clear favorite after dominant performances this season, with Garrett Corcoran, David Norris, Brian Whitfield, and John Aziz among those battling for podium positions. For mountain running fans, Saturday's race represents a rare opportunity to witness America's best athletes pushing their limits on one of the sport's most challenging and prestigious courses.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textThe trail running universe's spotlight turns to Squaw Valley as the Broken Arrow Sky Race earns its rightful place on the prestigious Golden Trail World Series. James Lauriello and Nick Tusa dive deep into this watershed moment for American mountain running, breaking down why this recognition has been long overdue and what makes this race so special.The hosts explore the fascinating dynamics of the 23K course with its 4,500 feet of vertical gain over roughly 14.5 miles. They analyze the thoughtful race format that gives elite women their own separate start time—a progressive move that ensures clearer race dynamics and better visibility for women competitors.Joyce Njeru enters with an unblemished record on American soil as defending champion in the women's field, while Anna Gibson, Allie McLaughlin, and Lauren Gregory lead a formidable American contingent fresh off impressive performances at recent races. The conversation highlights exciting up-and-comers like Courtney Coppinger, who's been turning heads with remarkable back-to-back victories.On the men's side, Patrick Kipngeno returns to defend his title against El Hazine and Swiss mountain running legend Remy Bonet, who recently demonstrated exceptional uphill fitness in European competition. The hosts make compelling cases for American hopefuls Mason Coppi and Andy Wacker, both arriving in career-best form and poised to challenge the international stars.The episode wraps with detailed predictions for both races, analyzing not just who might win, but the strategic battles likely to unfold across the challenging Broken Arrow terrain. Whether you're heading to Squaw Valley or following from afar, this preview provides everything you need to appreciate what promises to be one of the most competitive American trail races ever assembled.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textWelcome to a special preview of what might be the most competitive mountain race ever assembled on American soil. As the Broken Arrow Skyrace approaches, we're diving deep into the Ascent competition (formerly known as the VK) where the stakes couldn't be higher – the top four American men and women will earn spots on Team USA for the World Mountain Running Championships.The star power in this year's field is simply astounding. Patrick Kipngeno returns to defend his title against an unexpected challenger – the legendary Killian Jornet, who's taking a detour from Western States preparation to test himself on American soil. Perhaps most exciting is the Broken Arrow debut of American mountain running GOAT Joe Gray, bringing decades of uphill expertise to a course that rewards pure running ability over hiking strength.On the women's side, we're witnessing what could be the making of a historic rivalry. Kenya's Joyce Njeru, undefeated in American races, faces rising star Anna Gibson, whose trajectory suggests she might become one of the all-time greats in mountain running. Veterans like Ali McLaughlin mix with breakthrough talents like Allie Ostrander and Oakley Olsen to create a fascinatingly deep field.We break down the modified course (3.61 miles with 2,840 feet of gain), analyze the key contenders, and make our predictions for both podium spots and Team USA qualification. The international talent is so strong that Americans might struggle to crack the top five, especially in the men's competition, making this one of the most compelling mountain races to watch this season.Whether you're filling out your FanTrail fantasy picks or simply wanting to understand the significance of this incredible event, our detailed preview gives you everything you need to appreciate the epic battle that's about to unfold on the slopes of Palisades Tahoe.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textSam Lewis brings a wealth of experience to the starting line of the Broken Arrow 46K, having represented Team USA three times internationally and competed in the 23K version of this iconic mountain race twice before. In this compelling conversation, she shares the meticulous preparation that has her feeling "in the best shape of my life" heading into one of the season's most competitive events.Training from her temporary base in Boulder, Colorado has given Lewis the mountain-specific preparation needed for Broken Arrow's demanding terrain. Working with long-time coach Travis Fleck, she's compiled her highest-ever training volume while maintaining the physical health that's become the hallmark of their eight-year partnership. "He's always thinking about what I'm doing not just today, but five years from now," Lewis explains, highlighting the sustainable approach that's kept her performing at an elite level.Lewis reveals her tactical approach to the challenging two-loop course, describing herself as a hunter who patiently waits to strike on the second loop. "I like to hunt down my prey," she says with understated confidence, drawing on lessons learned from aggressive European race starts that left her frustrated. This balanced strategy reflects both physical preparation and philosophical grounding—Lewis holds a PhD in philosophy of sport and embraces the ancient Greek concept of "arete" (pursuing personal excellence) rather than fixating on placements.The conversation delves into equipment choices, including On's new Cloud Ultra Pro trail shoe that Lewis describes as "game-changing," nutrition strategies for mountain ultras, and the profound meaning she finds in representing her country. "Being on Team USA is one of the greatest honors of my life," she reflects, while maintaining perspective about the exceptional depth of American talent.Most compelling are Lewis's insights on mental resilience, drawn from races like the 2023 Verbier Marathon where she battled severe stomach issues yet finished. "It's not if it's going to happen in these ultra races, it's when," she notes about inevitable low points. This hard-earned wisdom, combined with her physical preparation and measured approach, makes Lewis a formidable competitor at Broken Arrow and beyond as she looks toward OCC at UTMB later this summer.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textDenali Strabel returns to the Steep Stuff Podcast for a deeply personal conversation about her journey back to the Broken Arrow 46K Skyrace after a five-year hiatus. The Alaskan mountain runner opens up about the transformative path that led her here – through pregnancy, postpartum recovery, and the heartbreaking loss of her twin sister.From the moment she arrived at the race venue, Denali's connection to this special place is palpable. Since 2008, she's been drawn to these mountains, first for college training camps and later with her sister when they craved elevation. Her 2019 race proved she could compete with the best "down in America," finishing fifth and feeling like her career was just beginning to soar. Then came pregnancy and the pandemic, dramatically altering her trajectory.What emerges in this conversation is the portrait of an athlete reborn through challenge. "I wasn't fueling right," she admits about her pre-motherhood approach. The demands of breastfeeding while returning to training forced a revolution in her relationship with food: "I eat a lot and my body is strong." Working with coach David Roche, she's redefined success on her own terms, building back gradually from nerve damage and hormonal challenges through a quality-over-quantity approach.While dreams of making Team USA flicker in her mind (especially poignant given one of her final conversations with her sister), Denali approaches this race with beautiful perspective. Her strategy reflects the wisdom gained through life's obstacles – patience on the first loop, then "catch the carnage, don't be the carnage" on the second. Most movingly, she carries her sister's ashes to spread on the mountain, merging her competitive ambitions with profound personal meaning.Join us for this intimate look at motherhood, grief, comeback, and the enduring spirit that drives mountain runners back to the places that challenge and heal them. Follow Denali and the strong Alaskan contingent as they take on Broken Arrow and demonstrate what's possible when passion meets perspective.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textMeet Oakley Olson, a rising star in the trail running world who's breaking barriers between collegiate track and mountain racing. Fresh from her NCAA steeplechase season and now a Trail Team Elite selection for 2025, Oakley joins us just days before tackling both the Vertical Kilometer and 23K races at Broken Arrow Skyrace.Oakley's story is remarkable – from showing up at her first trail camp in worn-out road shoes to finishing top-10 at the US Mountain Running Championships within months. Speaking from the Trail Team camp in Grand Lake, Colorado, she shares how this supportive community transformed her understanding of the sport. "I had no idea what Broken Arrow was, what a running vest was, or what trail running shoes were," she laughs, describing her bloody-legged introduction to mountain terrain just a year ago.When the conversation turns to race strategy, Oakley reveals a mature approach beyond her experience level. Drawing from her NCAA racing background, she plans to start conservatively at Broken Arrow rather than getting caught in the frantic early pace. "I'd rather be the hunter than the hunted," she explains, a strategy that served her well at Snowbird last year against seasoned professionals.Most powerful is Oakley's motivation – she runs for her two younger brothers who have Duchenne muscular dystrophy. Wearing a lime green ribbon on her shoes, she pushes through difficult moments by remembering their daily struggles. "When it got so hard, the only thing that got me through was thinking about my two younger brothers and how that's how they feel every day walking up a staircase," she shares with heartfelt emotion. Her family will be waiting at the aid station atop the Vertical Kilometer, making a potential Team USA qualification even more meaningful.Listen now to this inspiring conversation with an athlete whose genuine passion, strategic intelligence, and heartfelt motivation are quickly making her one of trail running's most compelling figures. The future of American mountain running looks brighter with Oakley Olsen on the scene.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textFrom podium finishes to mountain FKT ambitions, Jane Maus has been quietly building an impressive resume in trail running. Just weeks before the highly anticipated Broken Arrow Skyrace 46K, she joins the Steep Stuff Podcast to share her practical approach to one of North America's most competitive mountain races.Having placed 7th at Broken Arrow in 2022, Moss brings valuable course experience to this year's event. She candidly discusses her race strategy—holding back on the first loop to avoid the late-race blowup she experienced previously. "Last time I raced this, I felt amazing the first lap and was third or fourth place the entire lap," she recalls. "And then I had a bit of an explosion the last four miles and got passed by like three or four women."What makes this conversation particularly refreshing is Maus' honest self-assessment. Despite strong performances this season, including a second-place finish at Lake Sonoma 50 Miler and victory at GoPro Mountain Games, she acknowledges the specialized nature of Broken Arrow's terrain and the depth of the women's field. While making Team USA would be "absolutely a dream come true," she's focused on executing her best possible race rather than fixating on specific placement goals.The discussion extends beyond Broken Arrow to explore her ambitious plans for 2023, including potential FKT attempts on Grand Teton and Whirl Peak, several Cirque Series races, and possibly the Leadville 100. Her excitement about blending traditional trail racing with technical mountain objectives showcases the versatility that defines today's elite mountain athletes.Whether you're preparing for your own mountain race or simply fascinated by the strategic thinking behind elite performances, this conversation offers valuable insights into the mindset required to succeed in competitive mountain racing. Give it a listen, then follow along as Jane takes on one of the year's most exciting trail events.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textAshley Brasovan redefines what success looks like in ultrarunning. With 25 years of competitive running experience, four Team USA appearances, and consistent podium finishes, she's accomplished what many dream of—all while running just five days a week.The secret? Balance. After battling four femoral stress fractures during her collegiate career at Duke, Ashley developed a sustainable approach to training that prioritizes cross-training, recovery, and listening to her body. Rather than chasing high mileage, she focuses on quality workouts, strategic race selection, and proper tapering. This approach not only keeps her healthy but allows her to maintain a professional career alongside her athletic pursuits.As she prepares for the Broken Arrow 46K, Ashley shares her race strategy for the challenging two-loop course: patience. While others might charge hard from the start, she plans to run her own race, knowing many will fade on the second lap. This measured approach has served her well throughout her career, including at last year's race where she secured a podium finish.What's perhaps most remarkable is how Ashley has adapted her training around motherhood. With a one-year-old at home, she acknowledges being slightly "under-trained" compared to previous years but has become more efficient with her limited time. Her flexible approach to nutrition and hydration—using salt tabs to adjust on the fly rather than following rigid plans—exemplifies her adaptability.Whether you're chasing podiums or simply trying to stay injury-free while juggling life's demands, Ashley's story offers a refreshing perspective on what sustainable success in endurance sports can look like. Ready to rethink your approach to training and racing? This conversation might just change how you view what's possible.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textA broken bone can shatter more than just your foot – it can fracture your confidence. When professional Adidas Terrex athlete Dani Marino suffered a cuboid fracture (the rare "nutcracker fracture") during OCC last year, the physical damage was just the beginning. The psychological barrier of running downhill again loomed larger than any mountain course.This conversation captures a pivotal moment in Marino's comeback journey. Fresh off a confidence-building performance at the GoPro Games, where navigating through crowds of runners on technical terrain proved she could trust her body again, Dani opens up about the mental obstacles that often outweigh physical ones. "Coming home I'm like I think I'm healed, like I can run downhill now," she reflects with palpable relief.What stands out most is the evolution of athletic support systems in trail running. Marino describes her approach as a table where she sits at the center, with equal input from specialists: coach Tom Evans, nutritionist Kyla Chanel, sports psychologist Kai, her sister as strength coach, plus massage therapists and chiropractors. This integrated method represents how trail running has professionalized beyond solo training into comprehensive athletic development.The relationship between athlete and sponsor shines as especially progressive. When injury struck, Adidas Terrex didn't disappear – they increased support. "Getting a phone call from my team manager, 'Hey, just how's it going today?' goes such a long way," Marino explains. "It makes you want to show up more for the brand when you know they care about you." This approach respects athletes as humans, not just result-generating machines.Looking ahead to Broken Arrow 46K and CCC later this season, Marino reveals her tactical approach as "a hunter" who excels at closing strong. Her race philosophy and patient return from injury offer valuable lessons for athletes at any level. Whether you're battling back from injury or seeking to understand elite performance, this candid conversation reveals the mental, physical, and professional elements that shape a champion's journey.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textJade Belzberg has quietly become one of the most formidable forces in North American mountain running, with podium finishes at Broken Arrow Skyrace that have turned heads throughout the elite trail running community. As she prepares to tackle both the Vertical Kilometer and 23K races at this year's event, Jade offers a rare glimpse into the mindset and preparation of an athlete operating at the highest level of mountain sport.The journey to elite status wasn't predetermined by genetics or family background. "I don't feel like I'm super talented genetically," Jade reveals. "No one runs in my family. I was last at every trail race growing up." Instead, her rise has been built on consistency—80-90 mile weeks with significant vertical gain—and a refreshingly healthy perspective toward competition. Her approach balances ambition with self-compassion: "I know that I can have a strong performance, but I also know that I'm not granted that on any given day."What makes Jade particularly fascinating is her versatility across distances. Few athletes can excel at both the lung-searing intensity of vertical kilometers and the strategic demands of longer mountain races. This adaptability stems from years of ultrarunning experience dating back to 2014, combined with targeted training for specific events. For the VK, she's learned from past tactical errors: "Last year I charged out way too hard at the start... This year I'm going to hold back a little bit in the hopes that I can overpower some of them in the later stages."As a dual Canadian-American citizen who has qualified for Team Canada at the upcoming World Championships, Jade represents the global evolution of mountain running while remaining grounded in a philosophy that emphasizes process over outcomes. Her equipment choices (Ultra Mont Blanc Carbons) and nutrition strategy reflect the detailed planning that accompanies high-level competition.Whether you're a competitive trail runner looking for strategic insights or simply a fan of mountain sport, Jade's perspective offers valuable wisdom on balancing ambition with enjoyment in the beautiful but demanding world of mountain running.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textThe countdown to Broken Arrow is on, and Colorado Springs crusher Brian Whitfield has his sights set firmly on earning a coveted spot on Team USA for the World Mountain Running Championships. This conversation reveals not just an athlete ready to race, but one who has methodically transformed his approach to professional trail running.Whitfield offers a refreshingly candid look at his evolution from self-coached athlete to someone with a comprehensive support system. "I think if I really want to step it up and make that leap, I need to fund my own team," he shares, explaining his decision to invest in a physical therapist, strength coach, dietitian, and athlete agent. This professional development represents a significant shift in his approach and demonstrates the increasingly professionalized nature of elite trail running.The strategic elements of championship racing come alive as Whitfield breaks down his approach to the two-loop Broken Arrow course. With experience from races like Black Canyon 50K and Desert Rats, he emphasizes patience and racing intelligently when stakes are high. "That first lap is really the warmup and you'll see a lot of guys go and try and make a name or get to the top of the mountain first," he explains. "The second loop is where you want to be closing and that's where you want to be in the money." This measured approach, combined with meticulous nutrition planning and heat management strategies, showcases an athlete who has learned from past experiences and refined his racing philosophy.What makes this conversation particularly compelling is witnessing an athlete at a pivotal moment in their career. Making Team USA represents a two-year goal for Whitfield, who balances his elite running aspirations with his roles as a teacher, husband, brother, and son. His desire to "show up for my community" reveals the deeper meaning behind his competitive pursuits.Listen in as host James Lauriello and Whitfield discuss the nuances of championship racing, professional development in trail running, and what it would mean to represent the United States on the global stage. Are you ready to watch this race unfold?Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textThe trail running world buzzes with anticipation as Broken Arrow 46K approaches, and there's no better guest to break down this iconic race than its 2023 champion, Michelino Sunseri. Fresh off a move to Salt Lake City—which he boldly claims has "the best trail running community in the United States"—Michelino brings refreshing honesty about his current fitness and race strategy.Coming back from winter injury with just five weeks of running in his legs, Sinceri shares why he's approaching this year's race differently: "I'm not going to join the dick measuring contest," he explains, planning instead to leverage his veteran experience against younger, fitter competitors. His candid recounting of a previous race implosion—dropping from second to eighth in the final miles—reveals the hard-earned wisdom behind his current approach.Beyond race tactics, Michelino dives into the broader conversation about training sustainability in trail running. Questioning the extreme 160-mile weeks some competitors are logging, he contrasts this with Anna Gibson's success using moderate running volume supplemented with cross-training: "I enjoy running, I want to run forever," he reflects, highlighting his philosophy of career longevity over short-term gains.Perhaps most compelling is Sinceri's discussion of his World Championship team aspirations. Despite fitness concerns, he's already submitted his application, expressing that representing the United States would mean "everything" to him. This conversation captures not just pre-race strategy, but the deeper motivations that drive elite athletes beyond podium finishes and course records.Want to upgrade your trail running gear? Use code STEEPSTUFFPOD for 25% off Ultimate Direction's new UltraVest 12L, RaceVest 6L, and their just-released quiver.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textThe world of mountain running has transformed dramatically in recent years, with increasing competition and international participation revolutionizing races across America. In this illuminating conversation, elite Brooks athlete Talon Hull shares his journey from collegiate track star to professional trail runner, offering rare insights into the tactical approach needed for mountain racing success.Fresh off an impressive top-10 finish at the US Mountain Running Championships at Sunapee, Talon breaks down his race strategy for the muddy, technical course. "I wasn't climbing well at first," he admits, before explaining how he found his rhythm on the second lap, moving through the field on the most challenging sections. This tactical approach—knowing when to push and when to conserve—showcases the intelligence needed to succeed in today's competitive landscape.As Talon prepares for the upcoming Broken Arrow Skyrace, a Golden Trail Series event, he reflects on how the competition has evolved since his fourth-place finish two years ago. "Two years ago American men swept the top four positions," he explains, "but last year it was taken over by Kenyans." This internationalization has radically changed performance expectations, with times that would have been competitive in the past now falling short against global talent.What makes Talon's perspective particularly valuable is his unique background. Unlike many trail runners, he found success on mountain terrain early, placing third at the World Junior Mountain Running Championships while still in high school before pursuing a collegiate track career at the University of Washington. His story of being noticed by Brooks after setting FKTs in the Pacific Northwest demonstrates how the pathways into professional trail running continue to diversify.Now training in Boulder after years in Seattle, Talon shares insights about altitude training, technical terrain preparation, and the camaraderie within the rapidly expanding Brooks trail team. His friendship with teammate Dan Howell highlights the community aspect that makes trail running special, even as the sport becomes increasingly professionalized.Whether you're a competitive runner looking to transition to the trails or simply fascinated by the evolution of mountain racing, this conversation offers a window into the mindset, training philosophy, and race tactics of one of America's top mountain running talents.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textTrail running fans rejoice! Canadian elite mountain runner Josh Potvin joins the Steep Stuff podcast to share his preparation for the upcoming Broken Arrow 46K race. Coming off a victory at the Gorge Waterfall 50K, Potvin's confidence is high as he aims for a podium finish against top American competition.In this candid conversation, Potvin reveals his meticulous training approach, including innovative heat adaptation sessions on the bike while wearing a heat suit. "It's the first time I've ever done this," he explains, describing how this method provides altitude preparation benefits without adding stress to his running volume. After previewing the course, he shares surprising insights about the terrain: "There was a lot more stuff that you could run that I was not anticipating," noting the fast downhill sections that could prove decisive on race day.What makes Potvin's perspective particularly valuable is his strategic mindset. With a build that "couldn't have gone better," he discusses how he'll approach the notorious first lap that often sees elite runners blow up from going too hard too early. Unlike his American competitors using this as a World Championship selection race, Potvin (already selected for Team Canada) carries different pressures, potentially giving him a tactical advantage. His careful preparation extends to taper strategy, nutrition planning, and even lodging arrangements through Broken Arrow's elite housing program.Whether you're a competitive trail runner seeking performance insights or a fan eager to understand the mental game behind elite mountain racing, this episode offers a fascinating glimpse into an athlete's final preparation for one of North America's premier sky races. Will Potvin's methodical approach pay off against a stacked field? Tune in to learn his strategy, then follow along on race day to see how it unfolds!Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textImagine grinding uphill at a 30% gradient during the Broken Arrow 46K, your heart hammering against your ribs, legs burning with each step. Now imagine doing it twice—because that's exactly what awaits the elite athletes competing for spots on Team USA this weekend in Olympic Valley.Trail running standout Cade Michael joins us fresh off impressive performances at Canyons 50K and GoPro Games to share his mindset heading into what might be the most significant race of his career. With candid humor and thoughtful insight, Cade reveals the dramatic details of his Canyons 50K finish, where he experienced "full body seizes" yet refused to DNF, and the surprising nutritional discovery that might have been holding him back for years.The Boulder-based runner offers a fascinating glimpse into his training environment, where running alongside some of the world's best trail athletes has both humanized these elite performers and boosted his own confidence. His race strategy for Broken Arrow draws inspiration from French pointillist painting—approaching each segment as its own focused effort while maintaining perspective of the complete picture.Most compelling is Cade's deeply personal motivation: the childhood dream of representing Team USA. As a self-described "Olympics junkie" who would wake at 2 AM to watch events during the 2008 Beijing Games, the opportunity to don the stars and stripes represents the fulfillment of a long-held aspiration. With the trail running world converging on Palisades Tahoe for this selection race, we get an insider's perspective on what it means to chase this dream across 28 miles and 8,000 feet of vertical gain.Whether you're following the Broken Arrow race this weekend or looking for insights into elite trail running preparation, this conversation captures both the physical and mental elements that define ultrarunning at its highest level. Subscribe now for more in-depth conversations with the sport's most compelling athletes.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textThe mountains call and Cam Smith answers. Having just secured his spot on Team USA in the Mountain Classic discipline with a stellar fourth-place finish at the Sunapee Scramble, Cam joins us to unpack his tactical brilliance and focused mindset that led to this achievement.What stands out immediately in our conversation is Cam's strategic approach to racing. Despite minimal specific downhill training—"I did maybe about 20 minutes of fast downhill running total this year"—he leveraged his climbing prowess while developing a nuanced plan for the technical terrain. Drawing from his extensive ski mountaineering background, Cam explains how he identifies sections where power can be applied versus technical segments that serve as equalizers regardless of fitness level."When we're running straight through puddles and trying not to slip off hunks of granite, it doesn't matter whether you feel good or not," Cam shares, revealing how this understanding allowed him to push strategically on climbs and hold back where necessary. This calculated approach proved crucial as he navigated the competitive field, battling with elite runners including David Norris, who made an impressive late-race surge.Despite achieving his Mountain Classic qualification, Cam maintains laser focus on the upcoming Broken Arrow Vertical Kilometer. "I'm not letting off the gas yet," he emphasizes, highlighting his opportunity to potentially secure spots on both USA teams—a rare achievement in mountain running circles. His perspective on pressure is particularly refreshing: rather than avoiding it, he embraces the challenge, noting "I want the pressure, I want it to be a need to go fight for that team."Looking ahead to the World Championships in Spain, Cam thoughtfully weighs the benefits of competing in both disciplines, considering how each complements his primary ski mountaineering season. His balanced approach to multi-sport excellence offers valuable insights for athletes navigating similar paths.Listen now to this candid conversation with one of America's most versatile mountain athletes as he continues his quest for dual-team qualification and international success!Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textEver wonder what goes through an elite athlete's mind when injury threatens to derail everything they've trained for? In this captivating conversation with mountain running legend Allie Mack, we discover how the most challenging moments often lead to unexpected triumphs.Fresh off qualifying for her eighth USA Mountain Running Team at the Sunapee Scramble, Allie reveals she almost didn't make it to the starting line. Battling hip pain that left her in tears the night before, she made a last-minute decision to race - then proceeded to lead almost wire-to-wire on a brutally technical course featuring thigh-high water crossings, slick mud, and massive rocks.What's remarkable isn't just the physical performance but the mental approach that made it possible. Rather than pressuring herself, Allie reframed the race as "just a nine-mile run" - her favorite distance on any given day. This shift in perspective allowed her to find joy in the moment and perform with rare freedom.At 34, Allie dismisses any notion that she's past her prime. "I think I'm as fast as I was in 2014," she reflects, "but now with added knowledge and strength." Drawing inspiration from veterans like Joe Gray and Max King, she's convinced her best performances may still lie ahead as she targets the vertical team qualification at Broken Arrow.The conversation turns to what might be America's strongest-ever women's mountain running squad, with Allie eager to build deeper team bonds before Worlds. Her insights on balancing individual competition with national pride offer a fascinating glimpse into elite sports psychology.Ready to be inspired by an athlete who continues to redefine what's possible? Join us for this heartfelt, candid conversation about perseverance, perspective, and finding joy in the journey.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textCrossing the finish line as U.S. Mountain Running Champion wasn't even on Anna Gibson's radar a week before the race. Fresh off a grueling marathon at Zagama on the other side of the world, with jet lag in her system and soreness in her quads, victory seemed improbable. Yet sometimes the greatest achievements come when pressure evaporates."If you had told me this was going to be the outcome the week before Sunapee, I would have probably laughed at you," Anna reveals with genuine surprise still in her voice. What unfolds in our conversation is a masterclass in mental fortitude and race strategy. Gibson walks us through her journey from feeling "mentally foggy" during the first lap to making the decisive move that earned her the championship title, passing established stars Allie McLaughlin and Lauren Gregory with a surge that neither could match.What makes Anna's approach truly refreshing is her commitment to versatility. While many elite runners focus solely on mileage, Gibson embraces cross-training on her gravel bike and approaches racing with an adventurous spirit. "You don't have to specialize a hundred percent in running to be good at running," she emphasizes, offering a philosophy that challenges conventional wisdom. This balanced approach extends beyond physical training—her mental strategy of removing unnecessary pressure by doing Zagama first created the freedom that allowed her championship performance to emerge naturally.Looking ahead to Broken Arrow and the prospect of making both U.S. teams for the World Championships, Anna shares how her victory has transformed her mindset. With one goal already accomplished, she can approach the next challenge with joy rather than pressure. Whether you're fascinated by elite race strategy, seeking training insights, or simply love stories of unexpected triumph, this conversation delivers inspiration that extends far beyond the trail. Listen and discover how sometimes our greatest performances emerge when we stop fighting pressure and simply let ourselves flow.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textMountain running has a new force to reckon with. Fresh off his silver medal performance at the 2025 USATF Mountain Running Championships, Mason Copey joins James Lauriello to break down the race that earned him a coveted spot on Team USA for the upcoming World Championships.What makes this conversation particularly fascinating is the clear evolution of an athlete coming into his own. Mason candidly shares how just two years ago on the same course, he "could not stay on my feet" during descents, losing multiple positions every time the trail pointed downhill. Through dedicated technical training and strategic racing, he's transformed this weakness into a strength that now puts fear into his competitors.The championship race itself unfolded on a course rendered nearly unrecognizable by torrential rain. "You would take steps and your foot would disappear underneath mud," Mason explains, painting a vivid picture of the chaotic conditions that created a truly unpredictable battle. His minute-by-minute breakdown of the final moments—complete with tactical decisions, cramping calves, and the roar of spectators—puts you right in the middle of the action.Beyond the race itself, this conversation delves into training methodology that worked, including the surprising impact of cycling and marathon preparation on mountain running performance. Mason also looks ahead to Team USA's prospects at Worlds, offering genuine excitement about the squad's potential to compete for medals against the best mountain runners on the planet.Whether you're a competitive trail runner looking for training insights or simply enjoy compelling stories of athletic achievement against challenging conditions, this episode delivers a masterclass in what it takes to perform at the highest level of mountain running. Don't miss Mason's journey from falling on every descent to standing on the national championship podium.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textEver wonder what happens when elite Nordic skiers turn their attention to mountain running? The answer might surprise you.David Norris, fresh off his victory as the 2025 US Mountain Running Champion at the Son of Peace Scramble, joins us to break down his remarkable journey from Alaska's cross-country ski trails to the podium of one of America's most prestigious mountain races. Growing up in Fairbanks and now based in Alaska, Norris reveals the specific training adjustments that transformed him from a powerful climber with limited running economy into a complete mountain athlete. His collaboration with coach David Roche represents a fascinating case study in how targeted interventions—weekly track workouts, consistent strides, and year-round running—can rapidly elevate performance even for established athletes.The conversation takes us through the championship race itself, where Norris demonstrates the tactical intelligence that complements his physical prowess. Despite losing a shoe in mud during the first lap, he patiently moved through the field, particularly dominating the technical sections that played to his considerable strengths. His description of the final charge down the mountain, "sprinting the whole way" to hold off a stacked field, puts listeners right in the middle of the action.Norris also candidly discusses his upcoming challenges, including the nutrition issues that have plagued his longer efforts and his strategy for making both the 50K and mountain running world teams. Most fascinating is his insight into why Nordic skiers consistently excel in mountain running—their enormous aerobic engines, technical proficiency, and strength create a perfect foundation for trail dominance.Ready to gain insights from one of mountain running's brightest stars? Listen now and discover how cross-training, targeted workouts, and patience can transform your own running journey.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textLauren Gregory takes us deep into her journey at the 2025 US Mountain Running Championship at Sunapee Scramble, where she secured second place and earned a coveted spot on Team USA. Just a week removed from this performance, Lauren shares the intimate details of a race that demanded everything from her physically and mentally.The conversation reveals the fascinating chess match that unfolded over 80 intense minutes of mountain racing. Lauren explains how she strategically played to her strengths on technical descents while navigating the relentless pressure from competitors Allie McLaughlin and Anna Dalton. Each athlete brought distinct capabilities to the course, creating a constantly shifting battle that Lauren describes as both exhausting and exhilarating: "I think probably all three of us at one point thought we were for sure going to win."This championship holds special significance for Lauren as her first trail race following an injury and represents a carefully planned step toward her ultimate season goals. Unlike her previous national team qualification during college years, this achievement marks a deliberate career milestone. "This time it's like this is planned out. This is strategic," Lauren explains, highlighting how making Team USA now carries deeper meaning as she builds toward the World Championships as an "A race."The conversation also touches on recovery challenges, the unique physical demands of mountain racing, and the extraordinary strength of the women's team representing the United States internationally. For anyone fascinated by elite trail running, race strategy, or the mental aspects of competition at the highest level, this episode offers rare insights from an athlete performing at the pinnacle of the sport.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textThe path to international mountain running stardom isn't paved – it's steep, muddy, technical, and tests athletes to their absolute limits. Taylor Stack knows this firsthand after his breakthrough performance at the 2025 US Mountain Running Championship Son of Peace Scramble, where he secured third place and a coveted spot on Team USA.What makes Stack's performance remarkable isn't just the result – it's how tantalizingly close he came to winning it all. Leading the race during critical sections and finishing just 10 seconds behind the winner, Stack executed a nearly perfect tactical race. Unlike previous competitions where he'd gone out too aggressively, he deliberately conserved energy during the first lap to unleash his potential on the second brutal climb. This strategic patience paid dividends as he moved through the field and eventually took the lead.The race conditions presented their own character-testing challenges. Two inches of rain had fallen the day before, transforming sections of the course into treacherous, slippery terrain. Adding another layer of difficulty, Stack experienced mysterious vision problems during the final technical descent – a moment that may have cost him the victory but showcased his mental fortitude as he maintained composure to secure his Team USA position. The elite men's field maintained a blistering pace throughout, with gradient-adjusted miles around four minutes, demonstrating the world-class caliber of American mountain running.Stack's performance signals his arrival among America's mountain running elite and sets him up for an exciting season ahead. With his primary goal accomplished, he's now contemplating how to approach upcoming races like Broken Arrow Skyrace, weighing the benefits of competing in multiple events versus focusing on specific distances. Whatever path he chooses, his trajectory in the sport looks incredibly promising as he prepares to represent the United States at the World Championships in the Pyrenees this September.Ready to elevate your own mountain running experience? Our podcast sponsor Ultimate Direction just released their new RaceVest 6 liter and UltraVest 12 liter in stunning new colorways. Grab yours at ultimatedirection.com using code "steep stuff pod" for 25% off!Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textAndie Cornish takes us on a breathtaking journey from the iconic peaks of Jackson Hole to the competitive world of mountain running. Growing up just minutes from world-class terrain shaped Andie into the dual-sport athlete she is today—excelling both as a ski mountaineer tackling serious Teton objectives and as an elite trail runner with impressive results at races like Broken Arrow.During our conversation, Andie reveals how Nordic skiing methodology revolutionized her approach to training. Rather than following traditional running dogma, she embraces a more holistic perspective measuring effort in hours and vertical gain instead of just miles. This cross-disciplinary approach incorporating substantial mountain biking and ski mountaineering has kept her injury-free and mentally fresh while developing unique strengths for mountain challenges. "I think it's dumb when people say cross-training," Andie explains. "It's just training—everything goes together and time on feet is time on feet."What truly distinguishes Andie's story is her remarkable resilience facing a recent diagnosis of Median Arcuate Ligament Syndrome (MALS)—a rare condition affecting blood flow during downhill running. Rather than allowing this setback to derail her athletic pursuits, she's brilliantly pivoted to focus exclusively on uphill races like the Broken Arrow VK and Pikes Peak Ascent. This adaptation has unexpectedly elevated her climbing performance to new heights: "I'm in the best uphill shape I've ever been in, breaking my records beyond anything." Andie's journey reminds us that sometimes our greatest challenges lead to discovering our true strengths.Whether you're fascinated by the lifestyle of mountain towns, curious about training across multiple disciplines, or seeking inspiration for overcoming obstacles in your own athletic journey, this conversation offers valuable insights from someone who embodies the authentic spirit of mountain sports. Follow Andie's upcoming season as she tackles iconic vertical challenges in North America and Switzerland!Follow Andie on IG - @andiecornishFollow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textJackson Cole, one of the most compelling figures in skyrunning, returns to the Steep Stuff Podcast for a raw, insightful conversation about his mountain running journey. Currently based in Missoula, Montana, Jackson opens up about training alongside elite ultrarunners Adam Peterman and Jeff McGavro – a dynamic that pushes his fitness while maintaining the pure essence of mountain running he values so deeply.The conversation takes us through Jackson's recent foray into the ultra world at Canyons 100K, where he led portions of the race before ultimately dropping due to Achilles issues. With refreshing candor, he reflects on the stark differences between skyrunning and ultrarunning: "It really does solidify the idea that they're two different sports." His experience highlights how specialized the mountain athlete must become to excel in either discipline.Meet the Minotaur in Canada emerges as a focal point for Jackson's 2024 season, marking his fourth attempt at a race he once won and clearly loves. His passion for proper mountain running shines through as he describes the Canadian mountain running community as "kind and hardcore at the same time." Beyond racing, Jackson shares details of his ambitious plan to attempt the North Cascades High Route – a multi-day, technical journey involving glacial travel and scrambling that represents the intersection of mountaineering and mountain running.Perhaps most compelling is Jackson's thoughtful perspective on the controversial Grand Teton FKT situation that rocked the trail running world. As someone who had planned his own attempt, his insider knowledge offers valuable context about mountain ethics, public perception, and the future of mountain records. Throughout the episode, Jackson's blue-collar approach to mountain running – "I just want to drink beer and train" – reminds us why he remains one of the most relatable and respected athletes in the sport.Ready to follow Jackson's mountain adventures? Find him on Instagram @jaycolee and follow along as he represents New Zealand at the Mountain Running World Championships and pursues his unique vision of what mountain running can be.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

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Send us a textThe countdown to America's most competitive mountain running showdown has begun. In this episode, host James Lauriello sits down with race director Tom Hooper and co-host Nick Tusa to dissect the upcoming Sunapee Scramble – the USATF Mountain Classic Championships that will determine who represents Team USA at the World Mountain Running Championships.This race promises unparalleled drama as athletes tackle a brutally demanding 9.2-mile course with over 3,200 feet of elevation gain. The uniquely designed two-loop format mimics the world championship course in Spain, featuring both service road climbs and highly technical descents through what locals call "the glades" – described as "really steep, really fast, really mushy." It's a course that demands complete athletes, or as Hooper puts it, "Swiss army knives" of mountain running.The conversation dives deep into the compelling storylines shaping both fields. On the men's side, all eyes are on the brewing rivalry between defending champion Dan Kurtz and rising star Mason Copey, who recently outpaced Kurtz on Mount Sanitas. Meanwhile, the women's race presents a fascinating battle between established elites like Ali Ostrander, Rachel Tomajczyk, and Lauren Gregory against emerging talents such as Sophie Wright and Flannery Davis Love. With only four men's spots and three women's spots available for Worlds (plus Grayson Murphy's automatic qualification), several American stars will inevitably be left heartbroken.What makes this selection race particularly significant is the extraordinary depth of talent – many competitors boast sub-14 minute 5K and sub-30 minute 10K credentials – paired with the technical challenges that will expose any weaknesses in descending ability. The trio offers detailed analysis and bold predictions about who will triumph on this unforgiving New Hampshire terrain.Curious about which rising stars might have their career-defining breakthrough? Which established veterans might miss the world team? Or how the unusually wet, cold conditions might reshape the competitive landscape? Tune in for expert insights into what promises to be the most competitive selection race ever assembled on American soil.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textEver wondered how elite mountain athletes transition between winter and summer sports at the highest level? Cam Smith, one of mountain running's most versatile competitors, takes us behind the curtain on his journey from a winter of Olympic-qualifying ski mountaineering races to the upcoming Sunapee Mountain Running Championship.The conversation kicks off with a light-hearted revelation about Smith's off-season consumption of exactly 200 croissants—a feat that earned him a free jacket! But beneath this playful start lies a fascinating exploration of athletic transformation. Smith describes how he completely overhauled his training approach for the winter ski season, reducing volume to 60% while significantly increasing intensity to excel in seven-minute relay efforts critical for Olympic qualification.With the USA team sitting just one point behind Canada in World Cup rankings, Smith reveals everything comes down to a single December competition that will determine which North American nation secures an Olympic berth. The pressure couldn't be higher, yet Smith approaches this challenge with remarkable perspective: "I want it badly... but I know that I'll just move on to what's next, regardless."What makes this conversation particularly compelling is Smith's candid assessment of his current fitness as he transitions back to trail running. Coming directly from competing in Europe at lower elevations to training in Crested Butte at nearly 9,000 feet creates unique physiological challenges. Despite uncertainty about how he'll perform at Sunapee, Smith embraces the high-stakes environment: "I love high pressure races... that do-or-die mentality, and I trust that I'll be ready when the moment comes."Perhaps most moving is Smith's reflection on what representing the United States internationally means to him. Having previously made the mountain running team, he describes wearing the USA jersey as "a childhood dream come true" that offered a second chance at fulfilling a lifelong ambition that once seemed impossible.Ready to dive deeper into the mind of an elite mountain athlete balancing Olympic dreams with present-moment focus? Listen now to this conversation that bridges disciplines, explores mental resilience, and reveals what it truly means to compete at the highest level in mountain sports.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textThe mountains beckon, and Anna Gibson answers with a fresh approach to trail running excellence. Coming off an impressive 11th place finish at the prestigious Zagama mountain marathon in Spain, Gibson shares what it's like to race through corridors of 100,000 screaming fans while tackling 9,000 feet of elevation gain.What makes Gibson's success particularly fascinating is her training philosophy. Unlike many elite trail runners, she thrives on remarkably low mileage—typically just 40-45 weekly running miles—supplemented with strategic cycling sessions. "If I can go for two or three-hour bike rides in a week, that's six hours of training that I could not run," she explains, revealing how this cross-training approach allows her to build tremendous aerobic capacity without breaking down her body. Even when preparing for her marathon-distance race at Zagama, she topped out at just 60 miles in her highest week ever.Working with renowned coach David Roche has helped Gibson develop this personalized approach. Their relationship embodies mutual trust, with Roche pushing her at precisely the right moments while giving her freedom to adapt the training as needed. Gibson candidly discusses her upcoming race at Sunapee, which serves as the US selection race for the Mountain Running World Championships. At 26, despite international success, she has yet to represent the United States at Worlds—something she hopes to change by qualifying for both the Vertical Kilometer and Mountain Classic teams.As trail running continues to professionalize, Gibson offers a glimpse into this evolution through her experience with Brooks, describing their comprehensive team approach where athletes travel together and receive extensive support at international races. She also touches on her future plans, including maintaining her track career alongside her trail endeavors, showcasing the versatility that makes her one of the sport's most exciting talents.Tune in to hear how this rising star balances multiple disciplines, navigates international racing, and approaches the challenges of competing at the highest level in mountain running.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textSydney Petersen stands at the threshold of a defining moment in her trail running career as she prepares for the Sunapee Scramble—a race that could earn her a coveted spot on Team USA. In this candid pre-race conversation, she opens up about her journey, aspirations, and the meticulous preparation leading up to this pivotal competition.Fresh from attending the Brooks Summit with what she describes as "the most stacked trail team in the world," Sydney offers unique insights into the professional side of trail running. Her training build has been comprehensive, mixing tempo runs and flat speed work while waiting for mountain trails to melt, then transitioning to technical terrain work as conditions improved. A recent 20-mile effort—her longest run ever—has provided a crucial confidence boost heading into race week.Sydney's refreshing perspective on race strategy reveals the mind of an elite athlete who has learned from experience: "Every time I go into a race with a really concrete plan, it never turns out well for me." Instead, she emphasizes presence, adaptability, and responding to the flow of competition in the moment. This approach seems particularly well-suited for the unpredictable nature of the Sunapee course and its formidable field of competitors, including aggressive front-runners like Allie McLaughlin.When asked about her preference for race day conditions, her answer speaks volumes about her mental toughness: "The poorer the conditions are and just the gnarlier it is, the better." Training in the extreme climate of Colorado's Gunnison Valley at 9,000 feet has prepared her to embrace rather than fear challenging environments.Listen in as Sydney discusses the emotional significance of potentially making Team USA after coming close but falling short of goals throughout her running career, her equipment choices for the technical East Coast trails, and her ambitious plans for the season beyond Sunapee—including competing in both events at the ultra-competitive Broken Arrow Skyrace. Her journey represents the evolving landscape of American trail running as it continues to attract world-class talent and global attention.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textFrom track workouts to technical mountain trails, Flannery Davis Love defies conventional categorization. The current record holder on Colorado's iconic Long's Peak joins the Steep Stuff Podcast to share her unique approach to the upcoming Sunapee Scramble US Mountain Running Championship.Flannery takes us inside her training methodology that seamlessly blends road marathoning with mountain athleticism. Rather than abandoning speed for the trails, she recently completed a "mini speed roadblock" including her first-ever track 5K at Stanford before transitioning to more specific trail workouts. This hybrid approach has her discovering that road speed translates remarkably well to downhill trail sections, while she continues working on what she considers her weakness – pushing the pace during uphill hiking sections.The conversation dives deep into race strategy for Sunapee's challenging two-loop course. Drawing on her experience from Cirque Series races like Snowbird, Flannery reveals her plan to use the first loop as a controlled threshold effort before truly racing the second loop. "I do better later in races... it just takes me a while to really warm up and get into something," she explains, offering valuable tactical insights for listeners approaching similar race formats.When asked what making Team USA would mean, Flannery shares a surprisingly poignant childhood connection: "I was that kid growing up where you'd ask me what I wanted to be when I grew up and I'd say I want to play for Team USA. But I wasn't talking about running, I was talking about soccer." Her journey from soccer dreams to elite mountain running showcases how athletic aspirations evolve in unexpected and beautiful ways.Join host James Lauriello for this candid conversation about balancing multiple racing disciplines, adapting to East Coast humidity, and the ambitious calendar ahead that includes Broken Arrow and potentially the Berlin Marathon. Whether you're crossing over between road and trail or simply fascinated by high-performance mountain athletes, Flannery's practical wisdom and refreshing honesty offer something for every runner to take to the mountains.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com!