The Steep Stuff Podcast

Send us a textThe trail running world has a new star to watch, and she comes from an unexpected background. Rena Schwartz, fresh off her victory at the Mount Washington Road Race, joins the Steep Stuff Podcast to share the fascinating journey that took her from Nordic skiing champion at Dartmouth College to dominating some of America's most challenging mountain races.What makes Reena's rapid rise in trail running so remarkable is how new she is to competitive racing. After graduating from Dartmouth in 2022 where she competed as an elite Nordic skier, Reena moved to Boulder and almost accidentally discovered her talent for mountain running. Within months, she stunned the trail community with a fifth-place finish at the US Mountain Running Championships at Sunapee Scramble before claiming victory at the iconic Mount Washington Road Race.Throughout our conversation, Rena reveals how her extensive Nordic skiing background created the perfect foundation for mountain running success. The physiological adaptations, training approach, and mental toughness developed through years of elite skiing transferred seamlessly to the trails. "Most of [ski training] is honestly hiking," she explains. "Skiers, when they're going slow training, they're going slow training, and so you're hiking a lot. I think that's probably a huge part of the way I run today."What truly sets Rena apart is her balanced perspective on athletic achievement. Currently pursuing a master's degree in social work, she views running as one component of a multifaceted life rather than her sole focus. As she navigates the possibilities of sponsorships and more competitive racing, she brings a refreshing mindset to a sport often defined by singular dedication. For anyone fascinated by athletic crossover potential, the science of endurance performance, or simply inspiring stories of unexpected excellence, Reena's journey offers valuable insights into what's possible when Nordic skiing precision meets mountain running passion.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textThe mountain running world turns its attention to Palisades Tahoe this week for what promises to be an epic showdown at the Broken Arrow 46K. This isn't just any race – it's a Team USA selection event that has attracted virtually every elite mountain runner in the country, creating what might be the most competitive field ever assembled on American soil.The race itself presents a formidable challenge: approximately 28 miles with a punishing 9,000 feet of vertical gain over two loops. Course record holder David Sinclair's time of roughly four hours could be under threat this year, with perfect weather conditions and extraordinary talent at the starting line. Unlike previous years where scorching heat played a factor, this year's forecast calls for cooler temperatures in the 60s, potentially setting the stage for blistering performances.What makes this race particularly fascinating is the strategic complexity surrounding Team USA selection. Several favorites, including Eli and Tabor Hemming, have indicated they may decline team spots even if they qualify, preferring to focus on European races like OCC and CCC. This creates a dynamic where some athletes are racing purely for personal achievement while others see this as their golden opportunity to represent their country internationally. With limited spots available and such depth of talent, expect fierce competition down to the final descent.The women's field features multiple former champions including Helen Mino Faulkner and Jennifer Lichter, with Grayson Murphy's potential participation looming large over the competition. On the men's side, Eli Hemming enters as the clear favorite after dominant performances this season, with Garrett Corcoran, David Norris, Brian Whitfield, and John Aziz among those battling for podium positions. For mountain running fans, Saturday's race represents a rare opportunity to witness America's best athletes pushing their limits on one of the sport's most challenging and prestigious courses.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textThe trail running universe's spotlight turns to Squaw Valley as the Broken Arrow Sky Race earns its rightful place on the prestigious Golden Trail World Series. James Lauriello and Nick Tusa dive deep into this watershed moment for American mountain running, breaking down why this recognition has been long overdue and what makes this race so special.The hosts explore the fascinating dynamics of the 23K course with its 4,500 feet of vertical gain over roughly 14.5 miles. They analyze the thoughtful race format that gives elite women their own separate start time—a progressive move that ensures clearer race dynamics and better visibility for women competitors.Joyce Njeru enters with an unblemished record on American soil as defending champion in the women's field, while Anna Gibson, Allie McLaughlin, and Lauren Gregory lead a formidable American contingent fresh off impressive performances at recent races. The conversation highlights exciting up-and-comers like Courtney Coppinger, who's been turning heads with remarkable back-to-back victories.On the men's side, Patrick Kipngeno returns to defend his title against El Hazine and Swiss mountain running legend Remy Bonet, who recently demonstrated exceptional uphill fitness in European competition. The hosts make compelling cases for American hopefuls Mason Coppi and Andy Wacker, both arriving in career-best form and poised to challenge the international stars.The episode wraps with detailed predictions for both races, analyzing not just who might win, but the strategic battles likely to unfold across the challenging Broken Arrow terrain. Whether you're heading to Squaw Valley or following from afar, this preview provides everything you need to appreciate what promises to be one of the most competitive American trail races ever assembled.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textWelcome to a special preview of what might be the most competitive mountain race ever assembled on American soil. As the Broken Arrow Skyrace approaches, we're diving deep into the Ascent competition (formerly known as the VK) where the stakes couldn't be higher – the top four American men and women will earn spots on Team USA for the World Mountain Running Championships.The star power in this year's field is simply astounding. Patrick Kipngeno returns to defend his title against an unexpected challenger – the legendary Killian Jornet, who's taking a detour from Western States preparation to test himself on American soil. Perhaps most exciting is the Broken Arrow debut of American mountain running GOAT Joe Gray, bringing decades of uphill expertise to a course that rewards pure running ability over hiking strength.On the women's side, we're witnessing what could be the making of a historic rivalry. Kenya's Joyce Njeru, undefeated in American races, faces rising star Anna Gibson, whose trajectory suggests she might become one of the all-time greats in mountain running. Veterans like Ali McLaughlin mix with breakthrough talents like Allie Ostrander and Oakley Olsen to create a fascinatingly deep field.We break down the modified course (3.61 miles with 2,840 feet of gain), analyze the key contenders, and make our predictions for both podium spots and Team USA qualification. The international talent is so strong that Americans might struggle to crack the top five, especially in the men's competition, making this one of the most compelling mountain races to watch this season.Whether you're filling out your FanTrail fantasy picks or simply wanting to understand the significance of this incredible event, our detailed preview gives you everything you need to appreciate the epic battle that's about to unfold on the slopes of Palisades Tahoe.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textSam Lewis brings a wealth of experience to the starting line of the Broken Arrow 46K, having represented Team USA three times internationally and competed in the 23K version of this iconic mountain race twice before. In this compelling conversation, she shares the meticulous preparation that has her feeling "in the best shape of my life" heading into one of the season's most competitive events.Training from her temporary base in Boulder, Colorado has given Lewis the mountain-specific preparation needed for Broken Arrow's demanding terrain. Working with long-time coach Travis Fleck, she's compiled her highest-ever training volume while maintaining the physical health that's become the hallmark of their eight-year partnership. "He's always thinking about what I'm doing not just today, but five years from now," Lewis explains, highlighting the sustainable approach that's kept her performing at an elite level.Lewis reveals her tactical approach to the challenging two-loop course, describing herself as a hunter who patiently waits to strike on the second loop. "I like to hunt down my prey," she says with understated confidence, drawing on lessons learned from aggressive European race starts that left her frustrated. This balanced strategy reflects both physical preparation and philosophical grounding—Lewis holds a PhD in philosophy of sport and embraces the ancient Greek concept of "arete" (pursuing personal excellence) rather than fixating on placements.The conversation delves into equipment choices, including On's new Cloud Ultra Pro trail shoe that Lewis describes as "game-changing," nutrition strategies for mountain ultras, and the profound meaning she finds in representing her country. "Being on Team USA is one of the greatest honors of my life," she reflects, while maintaining perspective about the exceptional depth of American talent.Most compelling are Lewis's insights on mental resilience, drawn from races like the 2023 Verbier Marathon where she battled severe stomach issues yet finished. "It's not if it's going to happen in these ultra races, it's when," she notes about inevitable low points. This hard-earned wisdom, combined with her physical preparation and measured approach, makes Lewis a formidable competitor at Broken Arrow and beyond as she looks toward OCC at UTMB later this summer.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textDenali Strabel returns to the Steep Stuff Podcast for a deeply personal conversation about her journey back to the Broken Arrow 46K Skyrace after a five-year hiatus. The Alaskan mountain runner opens up about the transformative path that led her here – through pregnancy, postpartum recovery, and the heartbreaking loss of her twin sister.From the moment she arrived at the race venue, Denali's connection to this special place is palpable. Since 2008, she's been drawn to these mountains, first for college training camps and later with her sister when they craved elevation. Her 2019 race proved she could compete with the best "down in America," finishing fifth and feeling like her career was just beginning to soar. Then came pregnancy and the pandemic, dramatically altering her trajectory.What emerges in this conversation is the portrait of an athlete reborn through challenge. "I wasn't fueling right," she admits about her pre-motherhood approach. The demands of breastfeeding while returning to training forced a revolution in her relationship with food: "I eat a lot and my body is strong." Working with coach David Roche, she's redefined success on her own terms, building back gradually from nerve damage and hormonal challenges through a quality-over-quantity approach.While dreams of making Team USA flicker in her mind (especially poignant given one of her final conversations with her sister), Denali approaches this race with beautiful perspective. Her strategy reflects the wisdom gained through life's obstacles – patience on the first loop, then "catch the carnage, don't be the carnage" on the second. Most movingly, she carries her sister's ashes to spread on the mountain, merging her competitive ambitions with profound personal meaning.Join us for this intimate look at motherhood, grief, comeback, and the enduring spirit that drives mountain runners back to the places that challenge and heal them. Follow Denali and the strong Alaskan contingent as they take on Broken Arrow and demonstrate what's possible when passion meets perspective.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textMeet Oakley Olson, a rising star in the trail running world who's breaking barriers between collegiate track and mountain racing. Fresh from her NCAA steeplechase season and now a Trail Team Elite selection for 2025, Oakley joins us just days before tackling both the Vertical Kilometer and 23K races at Broken Arrow Skyrace.Oakley's story is remarkable – from showing up at her first trail camp in worn-out road shoes to finishing top-10 at the US Mountain Running Championships within months. Speaking from the Trail Team camp in Grand Lake, Colorado, she shares how this supportive community transformed her understanding of the sport. "I had no idea what Broken Arrow was, what a running vest was, or what trail running shoes were," she laughs, describing her bloody-legged introduction to mountain terrain just a year ago.When the conversation turns to race strategy, Oakley reveals a mature approach beyond her experience level. Drawing from her NCAA racing background, she plans to start conservatively at Broken Arrow rather than getting caught in the frantic early pace. "I'd rather be the hunter than the hunted," she explains, a strategy that served her well at Snowbird last year against seasoned professionals.Most powerful is Oakley's motivation – she runs for her two younger brothers who have Duchenne muscular dystrophy. Wearing a lime green ribbon on her shoes, she pushes through difficult moments by remembering their daily struggles. "When it got so hard, the only thing that got me through was thinking about my two younger brothers and how that's how they feel every day walking up a staircase," she shares with heartfelt emotion. Her family will be waiting at the aid station atop the Vertical Kilometer, making a potential Team USA qualification even more meaningful.Listen now to this inspiring conversation with an athlete whose genuine passion, strategic intelligence, and heartfelt motivation are quickly making her one of trail running's most compelling figures. The future of American mountain running looks brighter with Oakley Olsen on the scene.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textFrom podium finishes to mountain FKT ambitions, Jane Maus has been quietly building an impressive resume in trail running. Just weeks before the highly anticipated Broken Arrow Skyrace 46K, she joins the Steep Stuff Podcast to share her practical approach to one of North America's most competitive mountain races.Having placed 7th at Broken Arrow in 2022, Moss brings valuable course experience to this year's event. She candidly discusses her race strategy—holding back on the first loop to avoid the late-race blowup she experienced previously. "Last time I raced this, I felt amazing the first lap and was third or fourth place the entire lap," she recalls. "And then I had a bit of an explosion the last four miles and got passed by like three or four women."What makes this conversation particularly refreshing is Maus' honest self-assessment. Despite strong performances this season, including a second-place finish at Lake Sonoma 50 Miler and victory at GoPro Mountain Games, she acknowledges the specialized nature of Broken Arrow's terrain and the depth of the women's field. While making Team USA would be "absolutely a dream come true," she's focused on executing her best possible race rather than fixating on specific placement goals.The discussion extends beyond Broken Arrow to explore her ambitious plans for 2023, including potential FKT attempts on Grand Teton and Whirl Peak, several Cirque Series races, and possibly the Leadville 100. Her excitement about blending traditional trail racing with technical mountain objectives showcases the versatility that defines today's elite mountain athletes.Whether you're preparing for your own mountain race or simply fascinated by the strategic thinking behind elite performances, this conversation offers valuable insights into the mindset required to succeed in competitive mountain racing. Give it a listen, then follow along as Jane takes on one of the year's most exciting trail events.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textAshley Brasovan redefines what success looks like in ultrarunning. With 25 years of competitive running experience, four Team USA appearances, and consistent podium finishes, she's accomplished what many dream of—all while running just five days a week.The secret? Balance. After battling four femoral stress fractures during her collegiate career at Duke, Ashley developed a sustainable approach to training that prioritizes cross-training, recovery, and listening to her body. Rather than chasing high mileage, she focuses on quality workouts, strategic race selection, and proper tapering. This approach not only keeps her healthy but allows her to maintain a professional career alongside her athletic pursuits.As she prepares for the Broken Arrow 46K, Ashley shares her race strategy for the challenging two-loop course: patience. While others might charge hard from the start, she plans to run her own race, knowing many will fade on the second lap. This measured approach has served her well throughout her career, including at last year's race where she secured a podium finish.What's perhaps most remarkable is how Ashley has adapted her training around motherhood. With a one-year-old at home, she acknowledges being slightly "under-trained" compared to previous years but has become more efficient with her limited time. Her flexible approach to nutrition and hydration—using salt tabs to adjust on the fly rather than following rigid plans—exemplifies her adaptability.Whether you're chasing podiums or simply trying to stay injury-free while juggling life's demands, Ashley's story offers a refreshing perspective on what sustainable success in endurance sports can look like. Ready to rethink your approach to training and racing? This conversation might just change how you view what's possible.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textA broken bone can shatter more than just your foot – it can fracture your confidence. When professional Adidas Terrex athlete Dani Marino suffered a cuboid fracture (the rare "nutcracker fracture") during OCC last year, the physical damage was just the beginning. The psychological barrier of running downhill again loomed larger than any mountain course.This conversation captures a pivotal moment in Marino's comeback journey. Fresh off a confidence-building performance at the GoPro Games, where navigating through crowds of runners on technical terrain proved she could trust her body again, Dani opens up about the mental obstacles that often outweigh physical ones. "Coming home I'm like I think I'm healed, like I can run downhill now," she reflects with palpable relief.What stands out most is the evolution of athletic support systems in trail running. Marino describes her approach as a table where she sits at the center, with equal input from specialists: coach Tom Evans, nutritionist Kyla Chanel, sports psychologist Kai, her sister as strength coach, plus massage therapists and chiropractors. This integrated method represents how trail running has professionalized beyond solo training into comprehensive athletic development.The relationship between athlete and sponsor shines as especially progressive. When injury struck, Adidas Terrex didn't disappear – they increased support. "Getting a phone call from my team manager, 'Hey, just how's it going today?' goes such a long way," Marino explains. "It makes you want to show up more for the brand when you know they care about you." This approach respects athletes as humans, not just result-generating machines.Looking ahead to Broken Arrow 46K and CCC later this season, Marino reveals her tactical approach as "a hunter" who excels at closing strong. Her race philosophy and patient return from injury offer valuable lessons for athletes at any level. Whether you're battling back from injury or seeking to understand elite performance, this candid conversation reveals the mental, physical, and professional elements that shape a champion's journey.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textJade Belzberg has quietly become one of the most formidable forces in North American mountain running, with podium finishes at Broken Arrow Skyrace that have turned heads throughout the elite trail running community. As she prepares to tackle both the Vertical Kilometer and 23K races at this year's event, Jade offers a rare glimpse into the mindset and preparation of an athlete operating at the highest level of mountain sport.The journey to elite status wasn't predetermined by genetics or family background. "I don't feel like I'm super talented genetically," Jade reveals. "No one runs in my family. I was last at every trail race growing up." Instead, her rise has been built on consistency—80-90 mile weeks with significant vertical gain—and a refreshingly healthy perspective toward competition. Her approach balances ambition with self-compassion: "I know that I can have a strong performance, but I also know that I'm not granted that on any given day."What makes Jade particularly fascinating is her versatility across distances. Few athletes can excel at both the lung-searing intensity of vertical kilometers and the strategic demands of longer mountain races. This adaptability stems from years of ultrarunning experience dating back to 2014, combined with targeted training for specific events. For the VK, she's learned from past tactical errors: "Last year I charged out way too hard at the start... This year I'm going to hold back a little bit in the hopes that I can overpower some of them in the later stages."As a dual Canadian-American citizen who has qualified for Team Canada at the upcoming World Championships, Jade represents the global evolution of mountain running while remaining grounded in a philosophy that emphasizes process over outcomes. Her equipment choices (Ultra Mont Blanc Carbons) and nutrition strategy reflect the detailed planning that accompanies high-level competition.Whether you're a competitive trail runner looking for strategic insights or simply a fan of mountain sport, Jade's perspective offers valuable wisdom on balancing ambition with enjoyment in the beautiful but demanding world of mountain running.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textThe countdown to Broken Arrow is on, and Colorado Springs crusher Brian Whitfield has his sights set firmly on earning a coveted spot on Team USA for the World Mountain Running Championships. This conversation reveals not just an athlete ready to race, but one who has methodically transformed his approach to professional trail running.Whitfield offers a refreshingly candid look at his evolution from self-coached athlete to someone with a comprehensive support system. "I think if I really want to step it up and make that leap, I need to fund my own team," he shares, explaining his decision to invest in a physical therapist, strength coach, dietitian, and athlete agent. This professional development represents a significant shift in his approach and demonstrates the increasingly professionalized nature of elite trail running.The strategic elements of championship racing come alive as Whitfield breaks down his approach to the two-loop Broken Arrow course. With experience from races like Black Canyon 50K and Desert Rats, he emphasizes patience and racing intelligently when stakes are high. "That first lap is really the warmup and you'll see a lot of guys go and try and make a name or get to the top of the mountain first," he explains. "The second loop is where you want to be closing and that's where you want to be in the money." This measured approach, combined with meticulous nutrition planning and heat management strategies, showcases an athlete who has learned from past experiences and refined his racing philosophy.What makes this conversation particularly compelling is witnessing an athlete at a pivotal moment in their career. Making Team USA represents a two-year goal for Whitfield, who balances his elite running aspirations with his roles as a teacher, husband, brother, and son. His desire to "show up for my community" reveals the deeper meaning behind his competitive pursuits.Listen in as host James Lauriello and Whitfield discuss the nuances of championship racing, professional development in trail running, and what it would mean to represent the United States on the global stage. Are you ready to watch this race unfold?Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textThe trail running world buzzes with anticipation as Broken Arrow 46K approaches, and there's no better guest to break down this iconic race than its 2023 champion, Michelino Sunseri. Fresh off a move to Salt Lake City—which he boldly claims has "the best trail running community in the United States"—Michelino brings refreshing honesty about his current fitness and race strategy.Coming back from winter injury with just five weeks of running in his legs, Sinceri shares why he's approaching this year's race differently: "I'm not going to join the dick measuring contest," he explains, planning instead to leverage his veteran experience against younger, fitter competitors. His candid recounting of a previous race implosion—dropping from second to eighth in the final miles—reveals the hard-earned wisdom behind his current approach.Beyond race tactics, Michelino dives into the broader conversation about training sustainability in trail running. Questioning the extreme 160-mile weeks some competitors are logging, he contrasts this with Anna Gibson's success using moderate running volume supplemented with cross-training: "I enjoy running, I want to run forever," he reflects, highlighting his philosophy of career longevity over short-term gains.Perhaps most compelling is Sinceri's discussion of his World Championship team aspirations. Despite fitness concerns, he's already submitted his application, expressing that representing the United States would mean "everything" to him. This conversation captures not just pre-race strategy, but the deeper motivations that drive elite athletes beyond podium finishes and course records.Want to upgrade your trail running gear? Use code STEEPSTUFFPOD for 25% off Ultimate Direction's new UltraVest 12L, RaceVest 6L, and their just-released quiver.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textThe world of mountain running has transformed dramatically in recent years, with increasing competition and international participation revolutionizing races across America. In this illuminating conversation, elite Brooks athlete Talon Hull shares his journey from collegiate track star to professional trail runner, offering rare insights into the tactical approach needed for mountain racing success.Fresh off an impressive top-10 finish at the US Mountain Running Championships at Sunapee, Talon breaks down his race strategy for the muddy, technical course. "I wasn't climbing well at first," he admits, before explaining how he found his rhythm on the second lap, moving through the field on the most challenging sections. This tactical approach—knowing when to push and when to conserve—showcases the intelligence needed to succeed in today's competitive landscape.As Talon prepares for the upcoming Broken Arrow Skyrace, a Golden Trail Series event, he reflects on how the competition has evolved since his fourth-place finish two years ago. "Two years ago American men swept the top four positions," he explains, "but last year it was taken over by Kenyans." This internationalization has radically changed performance expectations, with times that would have been competitive in the past now falling short against global talent.What makes Talon's perspective particularly valuable is his unique background. Unlike many trail runners, he found success on mountain terrain early, placing third at the World Junior Mountain Running Championships while still in high school before pursuing a collegiate track career at the University of Washington. His story of being noticed by Brooks after setting FKTs in the Pacific Northwest demonstrates how the pathways into professional trail running continue to diversify.Now training in Boulder after years in Seattle, Talon shares insights about altitude training, technical terrain preparation, and the camaraderie within the rapidly expanding Brooks trail team. His friendship with teammate Dan Howell highlights the community aspect that makes trail running special, even as the sport becomes increasingly professionalized.Whether you're a competitive runner looking to transition to the trails or simply fascinated by the evolution of mountain racing, this conversation offers a window into the mindset, training philosophy, and race tactics of one of America's top mountain running talents.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textTrail running fans rejoice! Canadian elite mountain runner Josh Potvin joins the Steep Stuff podcast to share his preparation for the upcoming Broken Arrow 46K race. Coming off a victory at the Gorge Waterfall 50K, Potvin's confidence is high as he aims for a podium finish against top American competition.In this candid conversation, Potvin reveals his meticulous training approach, including innovative heat adaptation sessions on the bike while wearing a heat suit. "It's the first time I've ever done this," he explains, describing how this method provides altitude preparation benefits without adding stress to his running volume. After previewing the course, he shares surprising insights about the terrain: "There was a lot more stuff that you could run that I was not anticipating," noting the fast downhill sections that could prove decisive on race day.What makes Potvin's perspective particularly valuable is his strategic mindset. With a build that "couldn't have gone better," he discusses how he'll approach the notorious first lap that often sees elite runners blow up from going too hard too early. Unlike his American competitors using this as a World Championship selection race, Potvin (already selected for Team Canada) carries different pressures, potentially giving him a tactical advantage. His careful preparation extends to taper strategy, nutrition planning, and even lodging arrangements through Broken Arrow's elite housing program.Whether you're a competitive trail runner seeking performance insights or a fan eager to understand the mental game behind elite mountain racing, this episode offers a fascinating glimpse into an athlete's final preparation for one of North America's premier sky races. Will Potvin's methodical approach pay off against a stacked field? Tune in to learn his strategy, then follow along on race day to see how it unfolds!Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textImagine grinding uphill at a 30% gradient during the Broken Arrow 46K, your heart hammering against your ribs, legs burning with each step. Now imagine doing it twice—because that's exactly what awaits the elite athletes competing for spots on Team USA this weekend in Olympic Valley.Trail running standout Cade Michael joins us fresh off impressive performances at Canyons 50K and GoPro Games to share his mindset heading into what might be the most significant race of his career. With candid humor and thoughtful insight, Cade reveals the dramatic details of his Canyons 50K finish, where he experienced "full body seizes" yet refused to DNF, and the surprising nutritional discovery that might have been holding him back for years.The Boulder-based runner offers a fascinating glimpse into his training environment, where running alongside some of the world's best trail athletes has both humanized these elite performers and boosted his own confidence. His race strategy for Broken Arrow draws inspiration from French pointillist painting—approaching each segment as its own focused effort while maintaining perspective of the complete picture.Most compelling is Cade's deeply personal motivation: the childhood dream of representing Team USA. As a self-described "Olympics junkie" who would wake at 2 AM to watch events during the 2008 Beijing Games, the opportunity to don the stars and stripes represents the fulfillment of a long-held aspiration. With the trail running world converging on Palisades Tahoe for this selection race, we get an insider's perspective on what it means to chase this dream across 28 miles and 8,000 feet of vertical gain.Whether you're following the Broken Arrow race this weekend or looking for insights into elite trail running preparation, this conversation captures both the physical and mental elements that define ultrarunning at its highest level. Subscribe now for more in-depth conversations with the sport's most compelling athletes.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textThe mountains call and Cam Smith answers. Having just secured his spot on Team USA in the Mountain Classic discipline with a stellar fourth-place finish at the Sunapee Scramble, Cam joins us to unpack his tactical brilliance and focused mindset that led to this achievement.What stands out immediately in our conversation is Cam's strategic approach to racing. Despite minimal specific downhill training—"I did maybe about 20 minutes of fast downhill running total this year"—he leveraged his climbing prowess while developing a nuanced plan for the technical terrain. Drawing from his extensive ski mountaineering background, Cam explains how he identifies sections where power can be applied versus technical segments that serve as equalizers regardless of fitness level."When we're running straight through puddles and trying not to slip off hunks of granite, it doesn't matter whether you feel good or not," Cam shares, revealing how this understanding allowed him to push strategically on climbs and hold back where necessary. This calculated approach proved crucial as he navigated the competitive field, battling with elite runners including David Norris, who made an impressive late-race surge.Despite achieving his Mountain Classic qualification, Cam maintains laser focus on the upcoming Broken Arrow Vertical Kilometer. "I'm not letting off the gas yet," he emphasizes, highlighting his opportunity to potentially secure spots on both USA teams—a rare achievement in mountain running circles. His perspective on pressure is particularly refreshing: rather than avoiding it, he embraces the challenge, noting "I want the pressure, I want it to be a need to go fight for that team."Looking ahead to the World Championships in Spain, Cam thoughtfully weighs the benefits of competing in both disciplines, considering how each complements his primary ski mountaineering season. His balanced approach to multi-sport excellence offers valuable insights for athletes navigating similar paths.Listen now to this candid conversation with one of America's most versatile mountain athletes as he continues his quest for dual-team qualification and international success!Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textEver wonder what goes through an elite athlete's mind when injury threatens to derail everything they've trained for? In this captivating conversation with mountain running legend Allie Mack, we discover how the most challenging moments often lead to unexpected triumphs.Fresh off qualifying for her eighth USA Mountain Running Team at the Sunapee Scramble, Allie reveals she almost didn't make it to the starting line. Battling hip pain that left her in tears the night before, she made a last-minute decision to race - then proceeded to lead almost wire-to-wire on a brutally technical course featuring thigh-high water crossings, slick mud, and massive rocks.What's remarkable isn't just the physical performance but the mental approach that made it possible. Rather than pressuring herself, Allie reframed the race as "just a nine-mile run" - her favorite distance on any given day. This shift in perspective allowed her to find joy in the moment and perform with rare freedom.At 34, Allie dismisses any notion that she's past her prime. "I think I'm as fast as I was in 2014," she reflects, "but now with added knowledge and strength." Drawing inspiration from veterans like Joe Gray and Max King, she's convinced her best performances may still lie ahead as she targets the vertical team qualification at Broken Arrow.The conversation turns to what might be America's strongest-ever women's mountain running squad, with Allie eager to build deeper team bonds before Worlds. Her insights on balancing individual competition with national pride offer a fascinating glimpse into elite sports psychology.Ready to be inspired by an athlete who continues to redefine what's possible? Join us for this heartfelt, candid conversation about perseverance, perspective, and finding joy in the journey.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textCrossing the finish line as U.S. Mountain Running Champion wasn't even on Anna Gibson's radar a week before the race. Fresh off a grueling marathon at Zagama on the other side of the world, with jet lag in her system and soreness in her quads, victory seemed improbable. Yet sometimes the greatest achievements come when pressure evaporates."If you had told me this was going to be the outcome the week before Sunapee, I would have probably laughed at you," Anna reveals with genuine surprise still in her voice. What unfolds in our conversation is a masterclass in mental fortitude and race strategy. Gibson walks us through her journey from feeling "mentally foggy" during the first lap to making the decisive move that earned her the championship title, passing established stars Allie McLaughlin and Lauren Gregory with a surge that neither could match.What makes Anna's approach truly refreshing is her commitment to versatility. While many elite runners focus solely on mileage, Gibson embraces cross-training on her gravel bike and approaches racing with an adventurous spirit. "You don't have to specialize a hundred percent in running to be good at running," she emphasizes, offering a philosophy that challenges conventional wisdom. This balanced approach extends beyond physical training—her mental strategy of removing unnecessary pressure by doing Zagama first created the freedom that allowed her championship performance to emerge naturally.Looking ahead to Broken Arrow and the prospect of making both U.S. teams for the World Championships, Anna shares how her victory has transformed her mindset. With one goal already accomplished, she can approach the next challenge with joy rather than pressure. Whether you're fascinated by elite race strategy, seeking training insights, or simply love stories of unexpected triumph, this conversation delivers inspiration that extends far beyond the trail. Listen and discover how sometimes our greatest performances emerge when we stop fighting pressure and simply let ourselves flow.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textMountain running has a new force to reckon with. Fresh off his silver medal performance at the 2025 USATF Mountain Running Championships, Mason Copey joins James Lauriello to break down the race that earned him a coveted spot on Team USA for the upcoming World Championships.What makes this conversation particularly fascinating is the clear evolution of an athlete coming into his own. Mason candidly shares how just two years ago on the same course, he "could not stay on my feet" during descents, losing multiple positions every time the trail pointed downhill. Through dedicated technical training and strategic racing, he's transformed this weakness into a strength that now puts fear into his competitors.The championship race itself unfolded on a course rendered nearly unrecognizable by torrential rain. "You would take steps and your foot would disappear underneath mud," Mason explains, painting a vivid picture of the chaotic conditions that created a truly unpredictable battle. His minute-by-minute breakdown of the final moments—complete with tactical decisions, cramping calves, and the roar of spectators—puts you right in the middle of the action.Beyond the race itself, this conversation delves into training methodology that worked, including the surprising impact of cycling and marathon preparation on mountain running performance. Mason also looks ahead to Team USA's prospects at Worlds, offering genuine excitement about the squad's potential to compete for medals against the best mountain runners on the planet.Whether you're a competitive trail runner looking for training insights or simply enjoy compelling stories of athletic achievement against challenging conditions, this episode delivers a masterclass in what it takes to perform at the highest level of mountain running. Don't miss Mason's journey from falling on every descent to standing on the national championship podium.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textEver wonder what happens when elite Nordic skiers turn their attention to mountain running? The answer might surprise you.David Norris, fresh off his victory as the 2025 US Mountain Running Champion at the Son of Peace Scramble, joins us to break down his remarkable journey from Alaska's cross-country ski trails to the podium of one of America's most prestigious mountain races. Growing up in Fairbanks and now based in Alaska, Norris reveals the specific training adjustments that transformed him from a powerful climber with limited running economy into a complete mountain athlete. His collaboration with coach David Roche represents a fascinating case study in how targeted interventions—weekly track workouts, consistent strides, and year-round running—can rapidly elevate performance even for established athletes.The conversation takes us through the championship race itself, where Norris demonstrates the tactical intelligence that complements his physical prowess. Despite losing a shoe in mud during the first lap, he patiently moved through the field, particularly dominating the technical sections that played to his considerable strengths. His description of the final charge down the mountain, "sprinting the whole way" to hold off a stacked field, puts listeners right in the middle of the action.Norris also candidly discusses his upcoming challenges, including the nutrition issues that have plagued his longer efforts and his strategy for making both the 50K and mountain running world teams. Most fascinating is his insight into why Nordic skiers consistently excel in mountain running—their enormous aerobic engines, technical proficiency, and strength create a perfect foundation for trail dominance.Ready to gain insights from one of mountain running's brightest stars? Listen now and discover how cross-training, targeted workouts, and patience can transform your own running journey.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textLauren Gregory takes us deep into her journey at the 2025 US Mountain Running Championship at Sunapee Scramble, where she secured second place and earned a coveted spot on Team USA. Just a week removed from this performance, Lauren shares the intimate details of a race that demanded everything from her physically and mentally.The conversation reveals the fascinating chess match that unfolded over 80 intense minutes of mountain racing. Lauren explains how she strategically played to her strengths on technical descents while navigating the relentless pressure from competitors Allie McLaughlin and Anna Dalton. Each athlete brought distinct capabilities to the course, creating a constantly shifting battle that Lauren describes as both exhausting and exhilarating: "I think probably all three of us at one point thought we were for sure going to win."This championship holds special significance for Lauren as her first trail race following an injury and represents a carefully planned step toward her ultimate season goals. Unlike her previous national team qualification during college years, this achievement marks a deliberate career milestone. "This time it's like this is planned out. This is strategic," Lauren explains, highlighting how making Team USA now carries deeper meaning as she builds toward the World Championships as an "A race."The conversation also touches on recovery challenges, the unique physical demands of mountain racing, and the extraordinary strength of the women's team representing the United States internationally. For anyone fascinated by elite trail running, race strategy, or the mental aspects of competition at the highest level, this episode offers rare insights from an athlete performing at the pinnacle of the sport.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textThe path to international mountain running stardom isn't paved – it's steep, muddy, technical, and tests athletes to their absolute limits. Taylor Stack knows this firsthand after his breakthrough performance at the 2025 US Mountain Running Championship Son of Peace Scramble, where he secured third place and a coveted spot on Team USA.What makes Stack's performance remarkable isn't just the result – it's how tantalizingly close he came to winning it all. Leading the race during critical sections and finishing just 10 seconds behind the winner, Stack executed a nearly perfect tactical race. Unlike previous competitions where he'd gone out too aggressively, he deliberately conserved energy during the first lap to unleash his potential on the second brutal climb. This strategic patience paid dividends as he moved through the field and eventually took the lead.The race conditions presented their own character-testing challenges. Two inches of rain had fallen the day before, transforming sections of the course into treacherous, slippery terrain. Adding another layer of difficulty, Stack experienced mysterious vision problems during the final technical descent – a moment that may have cost him the victory but showcased his mental fortitude as he maintained composure to secure his Team USA position. The elite men's field maintained a blistering pace throughout, with gradient-adjusted miles around four minutes, demonstrating the world-class caliber of American mountain running.Stack's performance signals his arrival among America's mountain running elite and sets him up for an exciting season ahead. With his primary goal accomplished, he's now contemplating how to approach upcoming races like Broken Arrow Skyrace, weighing the benefits of competing in multiple events versus focusing on specific distances. Whatever path he chooses, his trajectory in the sport looks incredibly promising as he prepares to represent the United States at the World Championships in the Pyrenees this September.Ready to elevate your own mountain running experience? Our podcast sponsor Ultimate Direction just released their new RaceVest 6 liter and UltraVest 12 liter in stunning new colorways. Grab yours at ultimatedirection.com using code "steep stuff pod" for 25% off!Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textAndie Cornish takes us on a breathtaking journey from the iconic peaks of Jackson Hole to the competitive world of mountain running. Growing up just minutes from world-class terrain shaped Andie into the dual-sport athlete she is today—excelling both as a ski mountaineer tackling serious Teton objectives and as an elite trail runner with impressive results at races like Broken Arrow.During our conversation, Andie reveals how Nordic skiing methodology revolutionized her approach to training. Rather than following traditional running dogma, she embraces a more holistic perspective measuring effort in hours and vertical gain instead of just miles. This cross-disciplinary approach incorporating substantial mountain biking and ski mountaineering has kept her injury-free and mentally fresh while developing unique strengths for mountain challenges. "I think it's dumb when people say cross-training," Andie explains. "It's just training—everything goes together and time on feet is time on feet."What truly distinguishes Andie's story is her remarkable resilience facing a recent diagnosis of Median Arcuate Ligament Syndrome (MALS)—a rare condition affecting blood flow during downhill running. Rather than allowing this setback to derail her athletic pursuits, she's brilliantly pivoted to focus exclusively on uphill races like the Broken Arrow VK and Pikes Peak Ascent. This adaptation has unexpectedly elevated her climbing performance to new heights: "I'm in the best uphill shape I've ever been in, breaking my records beyond anything." Andie's journey reminds us that sometimes our greatest challenges lead to discovering our true strengths.Whether you're fascinated by the lifestyle of mountain towns, curious about training across multiple disciplines, or seeking inspiration for overcoming obstacles in your own athletic journey, this conversation offers valuable insights from someone who embodies the authentic spirit of mountain sports. Follow Andie's upcoming season as she tackles iconic vertical challenges in North America and Switzerland!Follow Andie on IG - @andiecornishFollow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textJackson Cole, one of the most compelling figures in skyrunning, returns to the Steep Stuff Podcast for a raw, insightful conversation about his mountain running journey. Currently based in Missoula, Montana, Jackson opens up about training alongside elite ultrarunners Adam Peterman and Jeff McGavro – a dynamic that pushes his fitness while maintaining the pure essence of mountain running he values so deeply.The conversation takes us through Jackson's recent foray into the ultra world at Canyons 100K, where he led portions of the race before ultimately dropping due to Achilles issues. With refreshing candor, he reflects on the stark differences between skyrunning and ultrarunning: "It really does solidify the idea that they're two different sports." His experience highlights how specialized the mountain athlete must become to excel in either discipline.Meet the Minotaur in Canada emerges as a focal point for Jackson's 2024 season, marking his fourth attempt at a race he once won and clearly loves. His passion for proper mountain running shines through as he describes the Canadian mountain running community as "kind and hardcore at the same time." Beyond racing, Jackson shares details of his ambitious plan to attempt the North Cascades High Route – a multi-day, technical journey involving glacial travel and scrambling that represents the intersection of mountaineering and mountain running.Perhaps most compelling is Jackson's thoughtful perspective on the controversial Grand Teton FKT situation that rocked the trail running world. As someone who had planned his own attempt, his insider knowledge offers valuable context about mountain ethics, public perception, and the future of mountain records. Throughout the episode, Jackson's blue-collar approach to mountain running – "I just want to drink beer and train" – reminds us why he remains one of the most relatable and respected athletes in the sport.Ready to follow Jackson's mountain adventures? Find him on Instagram @jaycolee and follow along as he represents New Zealand at the Mountain Running World Championships and pursues his unique vision of what mountain running can be.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

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Send us a textThe countdown to America's most competitive mountain running showdown has begun. In this episode, host James Lauriello sits down with race director Tom Hooper and co-host Nick Tusa to dissect the upcoming Sunapee Scramble – the USATF Mountain Classic Championships that will determine who represents Team USA at the World Mountain Running Championships.This race promises unparalleled drama as athletes tackle a brutally demanding 9.2-mile course with over 3,200 feet of elevation gain. The uniquely designed two-loop format mimics the world championship course in Spain, featuring both service road climbs and highly technical descents through what locals call "the glades" – described as "really steep, really fast, really mushy." It's a course that demands complete athletes, or as Hooper puts it, "Swiss army knives" of mountain running.The conversation dives deep into the compelling storylines shaping both fields. On the men's side, all eyes are on the brewing rivalry between defending champion Dan Kurtz and rising star Mason Copey, who recently outpaced Kurtz on Mount Sanitas. Meanwhile, the women's race presents a fascinating battle between established elites like Ali Ostrander, Rachel Tomajczyk, and Lauren Gregory against emerging talents such as Sophie Wright and Flannery Davis Love. With only four men's spots and three women's spots available for Worlds (plus Grayson Murphy's automatic qualification), several American stars will inevitably be left heartbroken.What makes this selection race particularly significant is the extraordinary depth of talent – many competitors boast sub-14 minute 5K and sub-30 minute 10K credentials – paired with the technical challenges that will expose any weaknesses in descending ability. The trio offers detailed analysis and bold predictions about who will triumph on this unforgiving New Hampshire terrain.Curious about which rising stars might have their career-defining breakthrough? Which established veterans might miss the world team? Or how the unusually wet, cold conditions might reshape the competitive landscape? Tune in for expert insights into what promises to be the most competitive selection race ever assembled on American soil.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textEver wondered how elite mountain athletes transition between winter and summer sports at the highest level? Cam Smith, one of mountain running's most versatile competitors, takes us behind the curtain on his journey from a winter of Olympic-qualifying ski mountaineering races to the upcoming Sunapee Mountain Running Championship.The conversation kicks off with a light-hearted revelation about Smith's off-season consumption of exactly 200 croissants—a feat that earned him a free jacket! But beneath this playful start lies a fascinating exploration of athletic transformation. Smith describes how he completely overhauled his training approach for the winter ski season, reducing volume to 60% while significantly increasing intensity to excel in seven-minute relay efforts critical for Olympic qualification.With the USA team sitting just one point behind Canada in World Cup rankings, Smith reveals everything comes down to a single December competition that will determine which North American nation secures an Olympic berth. The pressure couldn't be higher, yet Smith approaches this challenge with remarkable perspective: "I want it badly... but I know that I'll just move on to what's next, regardless."What makes this conversation particularly compelling is Smith's candid assessment of his current fitness as he transitions back to trail running. Coming directly from competing in Europe at lower elevations to training in Crested Butte at nearly 9,000 feet creates unique physiological challenges. Despite uncertainty about how he'll perform at Sunapee, Smith embraces the high-stakes environment: "I love high pressure races... that do-or-die mentality, and I trust that I'll be ready when the moment comes."Perhaps most moving is Smith's reflection on what representing the United States internationally means to him. Having previously made the mountain running team, he describes wearing the USA jersey as "a childhood dream come true" that offered a second chance at fulfilling a lifelong ambition that once seemed impossible.Ready to dive deeper into the mind of an elite mountain athlete balancing Olympic dreams with present-moment focus? Listen now to this conversation that bridges disciplines, explores mental resilience, and reveals what it truly means to compete at the highest level in mountain sports.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textThe mountains beckon, and Anna Gibson answers with a fresh approach to trail running excellence. Coming off an impressive 11th place finish at the prestigious Zagama mountain marathon in Spain, Gibson shares what it's like to race through corridors of 100,000 screaming fans while tackling 9,000 feet of elevation gain.What makes Gibson's success particularly fascinating is her training philosophy. Unlike many elite trail runners, she thrives on remarkably low mileage—typically just 40-45 weekly running miles—supplemented with strategic cycling sessions. "If I can go for two or three-hour bike rides in a week, that's six hours of training that I could not run," she explains, revealing how this cross-training approach allows her to build tremendous aerobic capacity without breaking down her body. Even when preparing for her marathon-distance race at Zagama, she topped out at just 60 miles in her highest week ever.Working with renowned coach David Roche has helped Gibson develop this personalized approach. Their relationship embodies mutual trust, with Roche pushing her at precisely the right moments while giving her freedom to adapt the training as needed. Gibson candidly discusses her upcoming race at Sunapee, which serves as the US selection race for the Mountain Running World Championships. At 26, despite international success, she has yet to represent the United States at Worlds—something she hopes to change by qualifying for both the Vertical Kilometer and Mountain Classic teams.As trail running continues to professionalize, Gibson offers a glimpse into this evolution through her experience with Brooks, describing their comprehensive team approach where athletes travel together and receive extensive support at international races. She also touches on her future plans, including maintaining her track career alongside her trail endeavors, showcasing the versatility that makes her one of the sport's most exciting talents.Tune in to hear how this rising star balances multiple disciplines, navigates international racing, and approaches the challenges of competing at the highest level in mountain running.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textSydney Petersen stands at the threshold of a defining moment in her trail running career as she prepares for the Sunapee Scramble—a race that could earn her a coveted spot on Team USA. In this candid pre-race conversation, she opens up about her journey, aspirations, and the meticulous preparation leading up to this pivotal competition.Fresh from attending the Brooks Summit with what she describes as "the most stacked trail team in the world," Sydney offers unique insights into the professional side of trail running. Her training build has been comprehensive, mixing tempo runs and flat speed work while waiting for mountain trails to melt, then transitioning to technical terrain work as conditions improved. A recent 20-mile effort—her longest run ever—has provided a crucial confidence boost heading into race week.Sydney's refreshing perspective on race strategy reveals the mind of an elite athlete who has learned from experience: "Every time I go into a race with a really concrete plan, it never turns out well for me." Instead, she emphasizes presence, adaptability, and responding to the flow of competition in the moment. This approach seems particularly well-suited for the unpredictable nature of the Sunapee course and its formidable field of competitors, including aggressive front-runners like Allie McLaughlin.When asked about her preference for race day conditions, her answer speaks volumes about her mental toughness: "The poorer the conditions are and just the gnarlier it is, the better." Training in the extreme climate of Colorado's Gunnison Valley at 9,000 feet has prepared her to embrace rather than fear challenging environments.Listen in as Sydney discusses the emotional significance of potentially making Team USA after coming close but falling short of goals throughout her running career, her equipment choices for the technical East Coast trails, and her ambitious plans for the season beyond Sunapee—including competing in both events at the ultra-competitive Broken Arrow Skyrace. Her journey represents the evolving landscape of American trail running as it continues to attract world-class talent and global attention.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textFrom track workouts to technical mountain trails, Flannery Davis Love defies conventional categorization. The current record holder on Colorado's iconic Long's Peak joins the Steep Stuff Podcast to share her unique approach to the upcoming Sunapee Scramble US Mountain Running Championship.Flannery takes us inside her training methodology that seamlessly blends road marathoning with mountain athleticism. Rather than abandoning speed for the trails, she recently completed a "mini speed roadblock" including her first-ever track 5K at Stanford before transitioning to more specific trail workouts. This hybrid approach has her discovering that road speed translates remarkably well to downhill trail sections, while she continues working on what she considers her weakness – pushing the pace during uphill hiking sections.The conversation dives deep into race strategy for Sunapee's challenging two-loop course. Drawing on her experience from Cirque Series races like Snowbird, Flannery reveals her plan to use the first loop as a controlled threshold effort before truly racing the second loop. "I do better later in races... it just takes me a while to really warm up and get into something," she explains, offering valuable tactical insights for listeners approaching similar race formats.When asked what making Team USA would mean, Flannery shares a surprisingly poignant childhood connection: "I was that kid growing up where you'd ask me what I wanted to be when I grew up and I'd say I want to play for Team USA. But I wasn't talking about running, I was talking about soccer." Her journey from soccer dreams to elite mountain running showcases how athletic aspirations evolve in unexpected and beautiful ways.Join host James Lauriello for this candid conversation about balancing multiple racing disciplines, adapting to East Coast humidity, and the ambitious calendar ahead that includes Broken Arrow and potentially the Berlin Marathon. Whether you're crossing over between road and trail or simply fascinated by high-performance mountain athletes, Flannery's practical wisdom and refreshing honesty offer something for every runner to take to the mountains.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textEver wonder what happens when you take a collegiate mile record holder and unleash her on mountain trails? Sophie Wright is showing us exactly that as she transitions from Western Washington University track star to mountain running phenom. Fresh off her selection to the 2025 Trail Team Elite Team, Sophie joins the Steep Stuff Podcast to discuss her approach to the upcoming Sun of Peace Scramble race.With a resume that includes the mile record at her university, a top-five finish at the legendary Mount Marathon race, and an overall win at Cirque Series Alyaska, Sophie brings serious credentials to this qualifying event. What makes her story particularly fascinating is the contrast between her track background and her growing prowess on technical mountain terrain. "I've been trying to get out of that mentality from college running where every hard workout is on the track," Sophie explains, detailing how she's focused on accumulating vertical gain and threshold training rather than traditional speed work.The Sun of Peace Scramble's unique double-loop format presents strategic challenges, with Sophie planning to "stay calm and collected" on the first loop before attacking the more technical second section. Despite never having raced on East Coast trails, her confidence stems from years navigating Alaska's notoriously challenging mountain routes. Her goal? A top-four finish that would earn her a spot representing Team USA, a lifelong dream. "I do want to race hard for everyone who has helped me grow up to be this runner," she shares, capturing the blend of personal ambition and community gratitude that fuels her running. As Sophie prepares to relocate to Colorado immediately after the race, we're witnessing the exciting evolution of a rising trail running star who refuses to place limits on what she can achieve. Subscribe now to follow Sophie's journey and hear more compelling stories from the trail running world.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textHave you ever wondered how elite mountain runners balance their athletic pursuits with demanding professional careers? In this captivating episode, we dive deep with Jamie Brusa, a PhD marine biologist who doubles as one of the top competitors in the Cirque Series mountain races.Jamie shares her fascinating journey from middle school runner who feared distance events to collegiate track athlete at the University of Illinois, and eventually to becoming an elite mountain runner. What makes her story particularly compelling is how she navigates two seemingly disconnected worlds - analyzing North Atlantic right whale movements from her computer in Montana while training for some of the most challenging mountain races in the country.The conversation reveals powerful insights about the complementary relationship between intellectual and physical pursuits. Jamie explains how running provides essential mental breaks from complex statistical problems, while her scientific approach to problem-solving enhances her training. Her refreshing philosophy on goal-setting challenges conventional wisdom, distinguishing between goals and desires to maintain a positive mindset regardless of race outcomes.We explore the nuts and bolts of Jamie's training approach, her preparation for the upcoming USA Mountain Running Championships at Sunapee, and how she manages to compete at an elite level while balancing a full-time scientific career. For anyone juggling multiple passions or seeking to understand how different life pursuits can enhance rather than compete with each other, this episode offers valuable wisdom from someone who's mastered the balance.Subscribe and join us for more conversations with remarkable athletes who are redefining what's possible both on and off the mountain trails.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textLauren Gregory's meteoric rise in trail running has been anything but straightforward. From contemplating quitting mid-season to standing on podiums at major races, her journey exemplifies the rollercoaster nature of elite athletics.Speaking from Boulder, Colorado—a place she calls home—Lauren opens up about managing an Achilles injury that has forced her to adapt her training. Rather than viewing this setback as purely negative, she's discovered unexpected benefits from cross-training on the bike: "It's nice when the cross-train doesn't take from your soul." Most surprisingly, she's found her hiking ability—previously a weakness—has improved dramatically, potentially giving her an edge on technical uphill sections.As the conversation shifts to race strategy for upcoming championships at Sunapee and Broken Arrow, Lauren reveals her thoughtful approach to two-loop courses. "The expectation is to make the team; the goal is to win," she says with remarkable clarity. This balanced perspective comes despite the pressure of following up her breakthrough 2023 season, which culminated in podium finishes at Headlands and the Golden Trail World Series final.Working with coach Ben True, Lauren has fully committed to trail running after transitioning from track. Her training philosophy emphasizes quality over quantity in racing: "I'd rather under race seasons than over race." While ultra distances intrigue her, she respects the progression required, planning to "add an hour every year" to her racing distances.What emerges is a portrait of an athlete who combines natural talent with strategic thinking and self-awareness. Despite being young in the sport, Lauren demonstrates wisdom in her training decisions, recovery priorities, and career planning that suggests she'll be a force in trail running for years to come.Want to support the podcast? Check out Ultimate Direction's new race and ultra vests in stunning new colorways. Use code "steep stuff pod" for 25% off at ultimatedirection.com.Follow Lauren on IG - @lgeeeeezyFollow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textRachel Tomajczyk pulls back the curtain on elite mountain running preparation in this compelling pre-Sunapee Scramble conversation. With multiple World Championship appearances under her belt, Rachel's approach to race preparation reveals the scientific precision that separates good mountain runners from the truly elite.The fascinating physiological discussion around altitude adaptation offers breakthrough insights for athletes at all levels. Rachel articulates how different limiting factors—aerobic capacity versus leg strength—should dictate training approaches. Her nuanced understanding explains why simply training high and racing low isn't always the optimal strategy. Those struggling with power generation might actually benefit from specific lower-elevation training blocks to develop explosive strength, while athletes limited by breathing efficiency gain more from altitude adaptations.Technical trail mastery emerges as another critical element, with Rachel detailing her methodical approach to conquering unfamiliar terrain. The stark contrast between Western technical trails (sharp rocks, cacti) and East Coast challenges (roots, moss, steep grassy slopes) requires specific preparation strategies. Her practice of arriving days early to mentally map technical sections demonstrates the psychological preparation that complements physical training. This level of detail in course preparation reveals why Rachel has consistently performed at the highest levels across varying terrain types throughout her career. The conversation provides a rare glimpse into the mindset of an athlete performing at the sport's pinnacle. When discussing what another Team USA qualification would mean, Rachel's respect for the depth of American mountain running talent reminds us just how competitive this sport has become. Subscribe to hear more pre-Sunapee conversations with elite athletes as they prepare for one of mountain running's most significant qualification events of the season.Follow Rachel on IG - @rachrunsworldFollow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textDavid Norris might just be the most versatile endurance athlete you haven't heard enough about. The Alaskan-born mountain marathon record holder brings an Olympic-level Nordic skiing engine to the trails, creating a unique skill set that makes him a formidable competitor at the upcoming Sunapee Scramble World Team Trials.What stands out immediately about Norris is his refreshingly balanced approach to both life and sport. While maintaining a full-time banking career, he trains at an elite level, embracing not just running but also mountain biking and gravel cycling. "Just for pure joy and being outside, mountain biking and gravel riding is some of my favorite stuff to do in the summer," he explains, revealing how this multisport lifestyle stems from his cross-country skiing background where diverse training methods were the norm.The conversation explores how Norris's skiing career created the perfect foundation for mountain running success. Years of training to "redline" at high lactate thresholds before recovering and pushing again translates beautifully to the mountain classic format where athletes max out on climbs before recovering on descents. This explains his dominance at events like Mount Marathon and his competitive performances against specialized runners at races like Cirque Series Brighton.Perhaps most compelling is Norris's perspective on competition itself. After multiple heartbreaking near-misses as an Olympic alternate in skiing, he developed a profound understanding that "success comes from the pursuit of those goals, rather than just a true measurement of 'did I achieve these goals?'" This wisdom allows him to approach the World Team Trials with both serious preparation and genuine joy, focused on the process rather than putting pressure on specific outcomes.Whether you're a competitive athlete yourself or simply appreciate authentic approaches to sport, Norris offers valuable insights on balancing ambition with enjoyment, specialized training with multisport variety, and professional obligations with athletic excellence. Listen now to discover why this mountain marathon champion might be about to make a significant impact on the international trail running scene.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textEver wonder how elite runners approach championship races? Tyler McCandless, one of America's leading mountain runners, takes us deep into his preparation for the Sentipee Scramble US Mountain Running Championships in this illuminating conversation.With Pennsylvania roots that perfectly prepared him for East Coast racing conditions, McCandless explains why many Western mountain runners struggle when heading east—while he thrives. "I love the hot, humid races," Tyler reveals, discussing how his background racing in Pennsylvania summers gives him a mental and physical edge that's proven decisive in previous championships. This unique adaptation to humidity and technical terrain positions him as a serious contender for this year's US Mountain Running team.The conversation explores Tyler's impressive 20-week training block, consistently hitting 80-95 miles weekly while balancing family life and work responsibilities. What's particularly fascinating is his recent focus on improving downhill running through equipment changes and targeted training. "I found that especially for me, the downhills, I tend to feel more comfortable with a softer, more cushioned shoe that's still light," he shares, explaining how this simple adjustment has dramatically improved his recovery and performance on technical descents.Perhaps most valuable is Tyler's strategic wisdom for approaching championship races. Rather than getting caught in the excitement of chasing the win, he maintains a laser focus on the ultimate goal: securing a top-four finish to qualify for the World Championships. This measured approach, combined with his exceptional fitness and experience, showcases the mindset that has made him a perennial podium threat.Curious about how elite athletes prepare for championship events? Listen now to gain insights on everything from shoe selection to sauna recovery techniques that could transform your own approach to important races.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textTaylor Stack is redefining what it means to be a young talent in the ultra-competitive world of trail running. Fresh off signing with Brooks and joining one of the most stacked trail teams in the world, Stack brings us inside his journey from self-coached athlete to sponsored professional with World Championship aspirations.The conversation dives deep into the evolution of Stack's training approach since partnering with renowned coach David Roche. "Coaching myself, I was doing it on vibes mostly," he admits with refreshing candor. Now, he benefits from the perfect balance of scientific structure and personalized programming that honors what works for his body. This coaching relationship has provided both the accountability for those easy-to-skip strides and the objective perspective that's hard to maintain when emotionally invested in your own performance.As the Son of Peace Scramble approaches, Stack reveals his meticulous preparation for this World Championship qualifier. His strategy for tackling the unique East Coast terrain – "more grassy, wet and root-laden" than his native Colorado trails – and the challenging two-loop course shows his tactical maturity. Rather than locking into a rigid race plan, he'll trust his instincts developed through purposeful training that balances flat speed work with mountain-specific sessions. And when pushed about what making Team USA would mean? "It's kind of the premier achievement in the sport," he says with unmistakable reverence.Follow along as Stack outlines his ambitious season ahead, including Golden Trail Series races and his ultimate goal of representing his country on the world stage. Whether you're fascinated by the training philosophies of elite athletes or simply inspired by the passion that drives the next generation of trail running stars, this conversation offers a compelling glimpse into what it takes to chase dreams across mountain trails.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textEver wonder what it takes to compete at the highest level of mountain running? Andy Wacker, one of America's most accomplished trail runners, pulls back the curtain on his remarkable journey in this candid conversation.From crushing a string of road races to preparing for the all-important Sunapee Mountain Classic, Andy shares the surprising freedom he's found competing without sponsorship. "Racing for myself takes a lot of pressure off and it's been really fun," he reveals, explaining how this mindset has contributed to some of his best performances ever—including a fourth-place finish at the US Cross Country Championships and a breakthrough 13:51 5K on the track after a decade-long hiatus.The conversation digs into the fascinating tactical challenges of Sunapee's two-loop format, where competitors must navigate non-technical uphills and tricky descents not once but twice. Andy breaks down his specific preparation, including simulating the punishing sensation of hammering a downhill before immediately climbing again. "You've got to be able to hang with everyone climbing insanely fast. You've got to be able to descend on the most techie thing you've seen and be fine, and then you've got to be ready to do it again better than you did the first time," he explains.For Andy, this race represents more than just competition—it's a redemption opportunity after missing chances due to injuries and illness in recent years. He shares his burning desire to make Team USA and contribute to what could be a historic squad: "I really want to be on a team that wins a gold medal at Worlds, and this could be that team." With competitors capable of sub-14 minute 5Ks and sub-30 minute 10Ks lining up together, the stage is set for what promises to be an epic battle for those coveted national team spots.Whether you're a competitive runner or simply appreciate athletic excellence, this episode offers valuable insights into the mindset and preparation of elite mountain runners. Listen now and discover what it takes to perform when everything is on the line.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textRemy Leroux returns to the Steep Stuff Podcast to share insights from his podium finish at the Alta 50K and his strategy for the upcoming Sunapee Scramble mountain running championships. Fresh from the Brooks team summit in Seattle, Remy opens up about the exciting experience of joining what he considers "the best sub-ultra trail team on the planet." He describes how Brooks actively incorporates athlete feedback into shoe design, even creating custom footwear for specific races, and the camaraderie of training with teammates who will race together throughout the season.The conversation shifts to Remy's impressive tactical approach at the Alta 50K, where he maintained disciplined pacing while others pushed too hard on climbs. "I would get dropped on every climb and catch them back on every downhill," Remy explains, demonstrating the race intelligence that earned him a spot on the podium in one of the most competitive early-season fields.As a Canadian athlete whose World Championship spot is already secured, Remy offers a unique perspective on the upcoming Sunapee Scramble. Unlike American competitors fighting for limited team positions, he can focus purely on racing his best. He breaks down the modified course, which combines elements of last year's classic and vertical races, and analyzes the strengths of competitors like downhill specialist Dan Wallis and emerging threat Mason Coppi.What stands out most is Remy's thoughtful approach to his racing schedule – maintaining higher training volume through the early races in a five-week competition block to ensure peak performance during his season's final objectives. His insights provide a fascinating glimpse into the strategic mindset of elite mountain runners balancing competition, training, and recovery across a demanding season.Don't miss this conversation with one of trail running's most consistent performers as he prepares to take on North America's best at the Sunapee Scramble.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textWhen it comes to training for mountain running, conventional wisdom often points to endless miles on technical trails and massive vert accumulation. Mason Copey is challenging that paradigm—and the results speak for themselves.Fresh off his victory at the La Sportiva Mount Sanitas Challenge, where he crushed the FKT and defeated elite competitors like Dan Kurtz, Mason joins the Steep Stuff Podcast to reveal the innovative training approach that's positioning him as a top contender for Team USA's mountain running squad. His secret? Less running, more biking, and highly targeted quality sessions."Biking is the next frontier," Mason explains, detailing how he achieves the aerobic stimulus of 100-mile running weeks while keeping his body fresh for key workouts. Rather than grinding away on technical trails daily, he concentrates his mountain-specific training into focused sessions, building his foundation through track workouts that maximize running economy and speed. This approach has yielded remarkable results—from a significant marathon PR at CIM to blazing fast mountain performances that demonstrate both climbing power and downhill prowess.What makes Mason's perspective particularly valuable is his dual role as both elite athlete and coach. He meticulously analyzes training stimulus, distinguishing between metabolic and mechanical adaptations while crafting sessions that deliver maximum benefit with minimal breakdown. His explanation of how neuromuscular skills (like technical trail running) require frequency rather than volume offers a refreshing counterpoint to the "more is better" mentality.Beyond the physical aspects, Mason offers thoughtful insights on mental preparation, emphasizing self-acceptance and vulnerability as foundations for athletic success. As he prepares for the Sunupi Mountain Classic—a World Championship qualifier with a technical course that will test every aspect of mountain running ability—his confidence is evident but tempered with respect for the competitive field.Whether you're targeting a mountain race, seeking performance breakthroughs, or simply looking to train more sustainably, Mason's innovative methodology offers valuable lessons for endurance athletes at every level. Tune in for a masterclass in cutting-edge mountain running preparation.Follow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textThe mountain running world is buzzing as defending champion Dan Kurtz prepares to face an elite field at the upcoming Sunapee Scramble. Fresh off a dedicated altitude training block in Boulder, Colorado, Dan takes us inside his unorthodox preparation—from living in a van and training on the steepest lines of Green Mountain to battling blizzards and mechanical breakdowns on his way to winning the Canyons 25K.Dan doesn't shy away from discussing the pressure he feels to defend his title and earn another spot on the World Mountain Running team. His candid reflections on training alongside mountain running stars Kyle Richardson and Johnny Luna Lima reveal the camaraderie and competitive edge that's sharpened his preparation. The conversation takes an intriguing turn when discussing his budding rivalry with Mason Kopi following their head-to-head battle on Boulder's notorious Sanitas Challenge—a contest that clearly still fuels Dan's competitive fire.With remarkable insight, Dan breaks down his race strategy for Sunapee's demanding two-loop course, analyzing how he'll approach the aggressive early pace from competitors and leverage his technical descending skills. His knowledge of the course—right down to his preference for minimal Asics Asheels on the potentially muddy terrain—showcases the meticulous preparation of an elite athlete who understands exactly what's required to succeed. Whether you're following the elite mountain running scene or simply fascinated by what it takes to compete at the highest level, this raw and revealing pre-race conversation captures both the physical and mental preparation behind championship-level mountain running. Don't miss this glimpse into the mind of one of America's premier mountain runners as he readies himself for one of the season's most anticipated showdowns.ollow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podUse code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com! 

Send us a textThe mountain running community holds its collective breath as we approach the legendary Soonapie Scramble – the definitive American mountain running championship that will determine who represents our nation on the world stage. This Sunday, June 1st, 2025, Mount Soonapie in New Hampshire becomes the battleground where dreams are made or broken as elite athletes compete for just seven coveted Team USA spots.What makes this year's competition particularly thrilling is the extraordinary depth of talent. The men's field features mountain running royalty like Dan Kurtz and Mason Copey, alongside the legendary David Norris fresh off his Mount Marathon victory. Meanwhile, the women's competition showcases powerhouses Lauren Gregory and Ana Gibson, who recently stunned with a top-15 finish at Zagama against international competition. These athletes aren't just racing for personal glory – they're fighting for the honor of wearing the Stars and Stripes in the Pyrenees against the world's elite mountain runners.Throughout this electric week, we're bringing you exclusive, in-depth conversations with every top contender, revealing their preparation strategies, mental approaches, and personal journeys to this pivotal moment. It all culminates Friday with our comprehensive race preview featuring co-host Nick Tusa and the architect of this brutal challenge himself, race director Tom Hooper. Whether you're a dedicated mountain running fan or new to the sport, you won't want to miss this week's coverage of the event that will crown seven Americans as our nation's mountain running ambassadors. Subscribe now and join us for every breathless step of the journey to Soonapie Scramble glory!

Send us a textFrom collegiate steeplechaser to trail running phenomenon, Rachel Tomajczyk's athletic journey is one of remarkable resilience and evolution. Fresh from her impressive performance at the Great China Wall Race, Rachel joins us to unpack her experiences competing on one of the world's most iconic landmarks – dealing with brutal climbs, technical descents, and navigating cultural differences along the way.Rachel pulls back the curtain on the realities of international competition, from the complex visa processes to the camaraderie formed with competitors from across the globe. Her perspective on training solo versus group dynamics offers fascinating insights into the psychology of elite performance, challenging conventional wisdom about what truly helps athletes thrive.What truly sets this conversation apart is Rachel's candor about her struggles with eating disorders during her collegiate career. She shares how initially associating weight loss with improved performance led to a cycle of injuries that threatened her athletic future. Her journey toward healing wasn't immediate but evolved through painful lessons that have shaped her current approach to health and performance – wisdom that could be life-changing for listeners facing similar challenges.The business side of professional running receives significant attention as Rachel explains how working with an agent has transformed her sponsorship experiences. She offers rare transparency about contract negotiations and the awkward position athletes face when approached by competitors seeking sponsorship connections – insights that aspiring professionals rarely hear discussed openly.Throughout our conversation, Rachel's balanced perspective on competition, faith, and defining success reveals why she's not just a formidable competitor but a true ambassador for the sport. Follow her journey on Instagram @rachrunsworld as she continues to dominate the trail running scene while maintaining the refreshing authenticity that makes her story so compelling.Follow Rachel on IG - @rachrunsworldFollow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow The Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podFollow Ultimate Direction - @ultimatedirectionusaThis episode was brought to you by Ultimate Direction. Use code steepstuffpod for 25% off your purchase ! 

Send us a textStep into the world of mountain running's future with Jeremy Strom, the visionary behind Satori Endurance and coaching partner for the Skyrunner World Series. This conversation unveils the transformative potential of bringing authentic European-style sky running to American soil while nurturing the next generation of mountain athletes.Jeremy's concept of "Satori" – perfect focus without expectations – forms the philosophical foundation for his approach to mountain running. Unlike track or cross-country, mountain running offers a spiritual dimension that creates lifelong connections between athletes and wild places. Through his youth development camps and coaching, Jeremy is building crucial bridges for talented young runners seeking alternatives to traditional collegiate running paths.We dive deep into the technical elements that make sky running distinct – rope-assisted descents, exposure with real consequences, and terrain that challenges both mind and body. Jeremy explains how his upcoming Sky Camp partnership with Gravity House and the Skyrunner World Series aims to introduce more Americans to this intense mountain discipline while providing comprehensive training in mental preparation, technical skills, and physiological adaptation.The conversation explores fascinating contrasts between different mountain regions, permitting challenges facing race directors, and what makes events like Broken Arrow so successful. Jeremy's insights on neurofunctional training reveal how elite mountain runners process visual information at superhuman speeds while managing fear and fatigue.Perhaps most compelling is our discussion of perceived exertion as the ultimate limiting factor in mountain performance. Jeremy shares how changing your mindset can literally change what's physically possible for your body – illustrated by stories of athletes accomplishing seemingly impossible feats on technical mountain terrain.For anyone fascinated by the evolution of trail running, the mental game of outdoor sports, or the growing accessibility of mountain adventures, this episode offers a masterclass in the science, art, and spirit of running in high places.Follow Jeremy on IG - @jeremystromcoachingCheck out Satori Endurance - Satori Endurance Register of Skycamp ! -  Skycamp Register for U23 Trail Camp ! - Elevate Mountain Running Camp

Send us a textWhat does it take to reach the elite level of trail running when your body keeps threatening to derail your dreams? Ryan Becker knows this challenge intimately. After fully tearing his Achilles tendon during a college cross-country championship race—and still finishing to earn All-American honors—he's spent years battling chronic tendon issues while quietly becoming one of the most consistent performers on the American trail running circuit.From his unorthodox beginnings as a tennis player who discovered running relatively late, to his current status as a mountain running stalwart based in Telluride, Colorado, Becker shares the twists and turns of his remarkable journey. His candid discussion about nearly undergoing double Achilles surgery before finding an alternative path to recovery offers hope to anyone dealing with persistent injuries. "Health is really a lot more important than hitting a number of run miles in the week," he explains, detailing how cross-training on the bike and skis has allowed him to maintain world-class fitness despite sometimes running zero miles per week.Perhaps most fascinating is Becker's thoughtful perspective on the sponsorship world, where he's remained largely on the outside looking in despite impressive results like winning the Kodiak 50K and numerous podium finishes at prestigious events. His reflections on what brands truly value—and whether consistency might sometimes be less marketable than dramatic breakthroughs—provide valuable insight for athletes navigating today's complex landscape. As he looks ahead to potentially tackling the Leadville 100 and continuing to compete at the highest level, Becker's story reminds us that sometimes the most impressive athletic achievements aren't just the victories, but the relentless pursuit of excellence despite significant obstacles.Whether you're dealing with injuries, questioning your path in endurance sports, or simply appreciate stories of quiet determination, this conversation will leave you with new perspectives on what it means to succeed on your own terms in the mountains. Join us for this deep dive with one of trail running's most respected and resilient competitors.Follow Ryan on IG - @r_beckzFollow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow the Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podThis episode was brought to you by Ultimate Direction - use code steepstuffpod for 25% off your next order on Ultimatedirection.com 

Send us a textWhen you hear Lindsay Allison's story, you might wonder how one person balances so many contrasting elements. A Stanford graduate working remotely from Telluride while training at an elite level, Lindsay embodies the modern trail runner who refuses to choose between career and athletic dreams.From her unexpected athletic background in competitive trampoline to her recent signing with Altra and podium finish at Big Alta 50K, Lindsay takes us through the fascinating journey that brought her to the trails. Her connection to Mount Tam, where she first fell in love with running as a high schooler, provides a beautiful through-line to her current life as a mountain athlete in one of America's most stunning landscapes.The conversation delves into the realities of living in remote Telluride – a double-edged sword offering unmatched mountain access but presenting logistical challenges that would deter many elite athletes. "You can be in the Alpine at 6 AM and at your desk by 9," Lindsay explains, revealing how she makes the most of this unique training environment despite its limitations. Her insights about the local running community showcase a refreshing perspective where the experience of the mountains trumps metrics and data.What truly stands out is Lindsay's approach to training volume. Running 100-115 miles weekly while maintaining a full-time job requires extraordinary discipline, yet she discusses it with remarkable practicality. "You have to have a reason for everything you're doing," she shares, offering wisdom about finding the right "imbalance" rather than pursuing perfect life balance.Looking ahead to Broken Arrow, Speed Goat, and ultimately CCC in the UTMB series, Lindsay's thoughtful race strategy reveals an athlete who knows her strengths and how to maximize them. Her candid discussion about race nutrition, including mishaps and solutions, provides valuable takeaways for runners at any level.Whether you're fascinated by the lifestyle of elite mountain athletes, curious about balancing professional careers with competitive running, or simply looking for inspiration from someone charting her own path, this conversation delivers honest insights from one of trail running's rising stars.Follow Lindsay on IG - @l_allisonFollow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow The Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podThis episode was brought to you by Ultimate Direction! Use code steepstuffpod for 25% off your cart at UltimateDirection.com

Send us a textMeet Josh Potvin, the Vancouver-based architect who's simultaneously designing buildings and carving his name into the elite trail running scene. Fresh off his victory at the highly competitive Gorge Waterfall 50K, Josh shares the fascinating journey that took him from track roots to mountain summits.Josh's approach to balancing a demanding professional career with world-class athletic performance offers a masterclass in prioritization. "When I have to get my run in, I stop work and then go back later," he explains, sometimes returning to his desk at 9 PM to finish projects after training. This dedication extends to his preparation—sleeping in his car for a month while working remotely to acclimatize before races at altitude demonstrates just how far he'll go to overcome challenges.The conversation reveals a crucial turning point in Josh's development: transforming his nutrition strategy. "I just wasn't eating enough," he admits, describing how working with a nutritionist revolutionized his performance by addressing persistent gut issues and increasing his sodium intake during races. This nutritional evolution enabled him to finally push through the final kilometers of races where he previously struggled with cramping, unlocking his full potential on the trail.Josh shares insights into his training methodology, upcoming races including Broken Arrow and the World Mountain Running Championships, and his mental approach to competition. Whether you're juggling career and athletic pursuits or simply looking to improve your own trail running performance, Josh's thoughtful reflections offer valuable wisdom for navigating both the physical and practical challenges of the sport.Follow Josh on Instagram @jjpotvin to keep up with his racing schedule and continuing evolution as one of Canada's most promising trail running talents.Follow Josh - @jjpotvinFollow James - @jameslaurielloFollow The Steep Stuff Podcast - @steepstuff_podThis episode was brought to you by Ultimate Direction, use code steepstuffpod for 25% off your next purchase on ultimatedirection.com ! 

Send us a textFrom the first moment Abby Bennett stepped onto the technical, demanding trails of the White Mountains, she knew she'd found her calling – despite having no competitive running background whatsoever. Now, as one of the Northeast's strongest mountain runners, she shares the remarkable journey that's taken her from financial services burnout to mountain race podiums.What makes someone believe they can reach the pinnacle of a sport they started as an adult? Abby's answer is refreshingly straightforward: an almost "delusional" belief in her future self, coupled with relentless daily consistency. The results are undeniable – multiple podium finishes at the White Mountain Endurance Cup series and a growing reputation in the technical mountain running community.This conversation dives deep into the reality of training through brutal Northeast winters, where deep cold and minimal daylight create resilient athletes capable of handling any terrain. We explore her ventures into ski mountaineering, her time as an isolated mountain hut caretaker, and the mental challenges of her current injury-induced training pause.Perhaps most compelling is Abby's perspective on growth potential. Despite her rapid rise, she estimates she's only reached 40% of her ceiling – a testament to her long-term vision of where consistent training might take her over the next decade. For anyone who started their athletic journey later in life, her story offers both inspiration and practical insights into building sustainable success.Whether you're fascinated by the Northeast's technical racing scene, curious about the mental aspects of injury recovery, or simply drawn to stories of unconventional athletic paths, this conversation will challenge your assumptions about what's possible when unwavering belief meets consistent effort.Follow Abby on IG - @abby.j.bennettFollow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow The Steep Stuff Podcast on IG - @steepstuff_podThis episode was brought to you by Ultimate Direction USA. Use code steepstuffpod for 25% off your next order on ultimatedirection.com 

Send us a textThe transition from collegiate track to mountain trails represents one of running's most fascinating journeys – and Kyla Christopher-Moody is navigating it with remarkable authenticity and talent. Fresh off her selection to the 2025 Trail Team Elite, Kyla joins us to share her path from Michigan high school standout to Montana State University track athlete and now emerging trail running competitor.Her story isn't the typical straight line to success. After battling persistent injuries at the University of Colorado Boulder, Kyla made the courageous decision to step away from competitive running entirely – a choice she now calls "probably the best decision I've ever made in my life." This reset allowed her to rediscover her passion at Montana State, where mountain trails became her sanctuary during injury recovery. The natural progression to trail racing happened almost accidentally, with a spontaneous entry into the GoPro Games 10K resulting in an impressive fifth-place finish despite minimal specific training.What makes Kyla's approach refreshing is her process-oriented mindset and genuine love of competition. Rather than setting rigid outcome goals as she enters the trail running scene, she's focused on learning and exploration. "I don't have preconceived notions of what I'm able to do," she explains, demonstrating the healthy perspective that will serve her well as she targets races like Sierre-Zinal and the USATF Mountain Running Championships. Meanwhile, her academic pursuits in snow science perfectly complement her athletic journey, connecting her professional interests with her passion for mountain environments.Whether you're fascinated by the track-to-trail transition, curious about the emerging pathway for NCAA athletes into mountain running, or simply enjoy authentic conversations with rising stars, Kyla's story offers valuable insights into finding your path – even when it means taking unexpected turns along the way. Give this episode a listen and discover why we're so excited to follow Kyla's trail running journey in the months and years ahead.Follow Kyla on IG - @Kyla_CMFollow James on IG - @jameslaurielloFollow The Steep Stuff on IG - @steepstuff_pod

Send us a textFor Devin Pancake, trail running represents much more than a post-collegiate athletic pursuit—it's a thoughtful 30-year journey he's just beginning. Fresh off his win at the Antelope Island Buffalo Run 25K and his selection for the 2025 Trail Team Elite, Devin brings refreshing perspective to a sport that often celebrates immediate success.The conversation traces Devin's path from running a 4:00 mile at Utah State University to discovering trail running through iconic films like "Where Dreams Go to Die" and "Found on 49." Unlike many collegiate runners who turn to trails after burnout, Devin maintained a healthy relationship with running throughout college, crediting his coach for emphasizing sustainable development over grinding for immediate results.Devin shares the surreal experience of racing alongside Western States champion Adam Peterman in his first ultramarathon, chatting with the elite runner for miles while pushing his own limits. This story perfectly captures his approach to trail running—competitive but joyful, serious about performance but equally focused on connection and experience. His willingness to return to Speed Goat 50K after a self-described "humbling" first attempt demonstrates his commitment to learning and growth.What makes Devin's perspective particularly valuable is his balanced enthusiasm for everything from fast 25Ks to potential 100-milers and FKT attempts. Supported by the Trail Team Elite and coached by long-trail master Joe McConaughey through the All-In Collective, he's developing the skills to pursue both competitive excellence and soul-enriching adventures. His inspiration comes from thoughtful pioneers like Courtney Dauwalter and Jared Campbell, reflecting his own view of running as "a form of long-life meditation."Follow Devin's journey on Instagram @devinpancake as he tackles upcoming challenges including the Desert Rats 21K, Speed Goat 50K, and potentially Sunapee Scramble Mountain Classic while preparing for his Uinta Highline Trail FKT attempt. His story reminds us that the most fulfilling path in trail running might be one that balances serious competition with genuine appreciation for the mountains and community.