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Show NotesWe return to our “Doubts Aloud Book Club” with a second episode on Tom Holland's book ‘Dominion' which has caused quite a stir in Christian apologetics circles over the last few years. We cover some of the critical responses, including ours. But most importantly we sought out responses from historians.   Tom makes a bold and interesting set of claims that we list, and then we assess them with a wider philosophical view to go with the historical story that Dominion presents. Links:The book Dominion:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dominion-Making-Western-Tom-Holland/dp/0349141207 Book reviews we found:Jenkins - in Christianity Todayhttps://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2020/january-web-only/tom-holland-dominion-christian-revolution.html De Groot – in The Timeshttps://www.thetimes.com/world/europe/article/dominion-by-tom-holland-review-7pc255qs7 Jonathan Sumption – in The Spectatorhttps://www.spectator.co.uk/article/did-christianity-make-the-western-mind-or-was-it-the-other-way-round/ The Unbelievable episodes with Tom that we discuss:With AC Grayling:https://youtu.be/7eSyz3BaVK8?si=TOdafNjHf22AJuovAnd with Andrew Ollerton:https://youtu.be/f2_W6eCijV4?si=QBEuJnA1N-xyxS7t The Jennifer Glance book on slavery in early Christianityhttps://www.amazon.co.uk/Slavery-Early-Christianity-Jennifer-Glancy/dp/0800637895 Rowan Williams book, Passions of the Soulhttps://www.amazon.co.uk/Passions-Soul-Rowan-Williams/dp/1399415689Doubts Aloud Links:Please give feedback and ask questions using:  doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person again at the monthly  “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion  Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Show NotesTom Holland's book ‘Dominion' has caused quite a stir in Christian apologetics circles over the last few years and we've been reading it. We also attended a church leader's evening where he was the speaker.  So we thought we would start a “Doubts Aloud Book Club” with Dominion the first book covered.We introduce Tom, his current faith position and the book, we discuss his style and how much we enjoyed the read.  We present the key messages that Tom seeks to make and talk about whether it's a book useful for apologetics.  Finally, we read some extracts that had struck us and discussed them.A later episode on the book will cover more on the critical responses, including ours.  He makes a bold and interesting set of claims that we can both learn from and see where we, and historians, may disagree. Links:That bookhttps://www.amazon.co.uk/Dominion-Making-Western-Tom-Holland/dp/0349141207 The Justin Brierley Spectator article:https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/a-christian-revival-is-under-way-in-britain/  Doubts Aloud Links:Please give feedback and ask questions using:  doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person again at the monthly  “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion  Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London 

Show NotesWe are excited to have guest Rev Michael Roberts with us, he's an Oxford geologist who subsequently became an Anglican vicar. He is extremely knowledgeable on the history of geology and the age of the earth in science, Christian academic thought, theology and the modern Young Earth movement. Did you know that Darwin was a geologist at the start of his career? Neither did we. Links:Michael's blog is:https://michaelroberts4004.wordpress.com/Michael's paper “Just before the Beagle”:https://drive.google.com/file/d/17qo3zEeYKZlwL_Y8DpoX3F-35BO4rPPz/view?usp=sharing His 5 day trip exploring Darwin in Waleshttps://www.newscientist.com/tours/retracing-charles-darwins-travels-across-north-wales/?fbclid=IwAR372bjMkHAcr0UU4p6B9KqztYkaOk5bxLH4PUgXRT06Nfo75iuhank-gac That Ovid bookhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metamorphoses That Genesis Flood 1961 book:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Genesis_Flood(The link also mentions the Bernard Ramm book “The Christian View of Science and Scripture” we mentioned.) That irreverent cartoon on Adam and Eve overpopulating the globe due to obedience:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziQrzXmjk-M Doubts Aloud Links:Please give feedback and ask questions using: doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person again at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Show NotesThis month we return to that different form of Apologetics - Presuppositional Apologetics. Please see Part 1 - Episode 70 - where we gave a more social and historical background to it. Here we look at the basic argument made: the Transcendental Argument for God, “TAG”. We set it out and discuss implications and objections to it. Links:The Debunking Christianity material on Presup:https://www.debunking-christianity.com/2022/08/the-failure-of-van-tillian.html The short clip of someone doing a ‘reverse Presup' on Presuppositional Apologists, invoking a “non-conscious power”:https://youtu.be/BPF8lcYWQ1Y?si=_B8mO9jUKdA6z8Q7 Blog expanding on our point that our desire for there to be reliable rationality does not show there ishttps://useofreason.wordpress.com/2019/05/10/the-limitations-of-transcendental-arguments/ Julian Baggini's book “How the World Thinks”https://www.amazon.co.uk/How-World-Thinks-History-Philosophy/dp/1783782285 The Dan Linford paper given to us by Josh on skeptical theism and how it destroys TAGhttps://www.dropbox.com/s/4iojx3honcv4mv4/On_Knowledge_Without_God_Van_Tillian_Pre.docx?fbclid=IwAR34-aQh0Kny9J6pTCQbSKyiiuZauzza1j4ddu4WeCTE3XsXCGqdJFq4sa4 Doubts Aloud Links:Please give feedback and ask questions using: doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person again at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Show NotesWe deal with the current conflict in Israel and Gaza by looking at the influence of religion, in the minds of the Israeli leaders & the settlers taking land in the West Bank and also in the minds of the Evangelical Zionist backers in the UK and US. The UK evangelical influence is more of historical interest but the US is very current and is influencing events now. Links etc:The video by Al Jazeera used for extracts at the start of the show – “How Evangelicals Betray Christians In The Holy Land”https://youtu.be/nHT-SjIM0tA?si=yok7IZPkxAMyasQf Sky News – the Benjamin Netanyahu speech with translation, Amalek bit from 1min50shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5LmB6uup3o Guardian article with quotes from a settler and an administrator of settlementshttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/18/these-are-biblical-lands-promised-to-us-jewish-settlers-in-west-bank-hope-gaza-conflict-will-help-their-cause Pew Research on Jews in Israelhttps://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/03/08/in-israel-jews-are-united-by-homeland-but-divided-into-very-different-groups/ Israel Policy Forum article (an American Jewish organization that works for a negotiated solution to the conflict)https://israelpolicyforum.org/west-bank-settlements-explained/ The video from Turkish TV with a Rabbi condemning Israeli aggression in Gazahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FNtMV2i8-8 Factual article on the British evangelicals behind the Balfour Declarationhttps://balfourproject.org/evangelicals-the-balfour-declaration-and-zionism/ UK Christian teacher David Pawson's lecture:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ika1apsadrQ Video of Franklin Graham Meeting Netanyahuhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozWdH8s32pI Doubts Aloud Links:Please give feedback and ask questions using: doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person again at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Show NotesJosh Parikh is an old friend of ours having contributed to our Discussion Groups over many years as a Christian Apologist who has always thought deeply about the issues and maintained intellectual integrity. He has been on a journey, especially having engaged with Biblical scholarship. This has overlapped with his time at Oxford University and continued since graduating. Like many, he has remained a Christian and has moved in a ‘progressive' direction. Josh recently gave a talk “A Tumultuous Period in Apologetics?” to the “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in London, and we were eager to have him share that material on the show. Josh sees a crisis not just in the scandals such as with Ravi Zacharias but at a root conflict between the aims of apologetics in conservative Christianity and the commitments involved in genuine scholarship. We had so much to talk about that we will need 2 shows to benefit fully from Josh's wisdom. Links:We strongly recommended this podcast: “The Rise & Fall of Mars Hill” Randal Rauser books in conversation with atheists:“God or Godless?: One Atheist. One Christian. Twenty Controversial Questions.” by John W. Loftus and Randal Rauser 2013“An Atheist and a Christian Walk into a Bar: Talking about God, the Universe, and Everything” by Randal Rauser and Justin Schieber 2019 Josh recommends: “The Death and Resurrection of the Beloved Son – the Transformation of Child Sacrifice and Christianity: The Transformation of Child Sacrifice in Judaism and Christianity” 1995 by Jon D Levenson YouTube clips :The film Andrew mentioned - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLbDSxTUuIoThe apologist who previously was hot on resolving contradictions -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1cPnnz-Go Doubts Aloud Links:Please give feedback and ask questions using: doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person again at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Show NotesFor Part 2 of our discussion of same-sex relationships, sexual practice and the Bible, we start with background and origins for the OT Law (we covered its interpretation in Part 1). One scholar has identified an evolution in the laws in Leviticus from a more lenient view to the harsh one found in the final text.Frances has researched reactions to these laws in Jewish writings and that led to a wider ‘world tour' or religious treatment of the issues.Links:See pp 291 & 292 here for ANE backgroundhttps://helda.helsinki.fi/bitstream/handle/10138/325479/EBR_Homosexuality.pdf?sequence=1And here for the possible evolution in the laws in Leviticus by Idan Dershowitz https://www.academia.edu/37294841/The_Secret_History_of_Leviticus_New_York_TimesHere is Dr Michael Brown's commentaryhttps://archive.askdrbrown.org/library/creating-new-version-leviticus-support-gay-sexLinks for mediaeval and modern Jewish thoughthttps://www.myjewishlearning.com/2013/04/19/to-plant-or-not-to-plant-seed-the-truth-of-homosexuality-in-the-bible/https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/orthodox-judaism-and-lgbtq-issues/Links used for the ‘world tour' –https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_religionhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_themes_in_mythologyOn Natural Law ethics the Reasonable Doubts episode was #61:“The Curious Case of Robert P. George”.Doubts Aloud Links:Please give feedback and ask questions using: doubtsaloud@gmail.comJoin the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/Meet us all in person again at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 61 – Show NotesOccam's Razor shows us how simple explanations are superior to complex ones and so simplicity is a concept that might lead us to believe in God as this one simple concept – a supernatural personal agent – can explain all the complexities of the world. We try to assess this line of thinking, especially using the work of the Oxford Christian philosopher Richard Swinburne who favours the approach. This then leads into the doctrine of Divine Simplicity which was prominent in the Medieval church (eg Aquinas). Of course Andrew brings us down to earth with what the Bible says about God and his simplicity. Links:BBC In Our Time podcast on Occamhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007m0w4Learned articles on Occam:https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/simplicity/... and on Divine Simplicityhttps://plato.stanford.edu/entries/divine-simplicity/To find a place where Swinburne's ideas that Ed describes are set out without reading his book:https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/cosmological-argument/Start well down where it says “In place of a deductive argument, Swinburne develops .....”The Unbelievable? Show which has Swinburne discussing with Bart Ehrman on sufferinghttps://www.premierunbelievable.com/unbelievable/unbelievable-10-jan-2009-the-problem-of-suffering-ehrman-and-swinburne/11625.articleDoubts Aloud Links:Please give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.comJoin the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/Meet us all in person again at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 60– Show NotesJohn Nelson returned as our guest to start off 2023. He's been monitoring the debate about what literary genre we should consider the gospels to be and what the implications would be if they are taken as biography in the Greek & Roman tradition. The question fits with his studies for his PhD at the University of Edinburgh in Christian Origins. John maintains that understanding biography allows us to avoid the crass literalism of fundamentalism (and its attendant overconfidence in our ability to recover the historical Jesus), on the one hand, and an equally flat dismissal of its historicity on the other. We chat about the different ways both apologists and counter-apologists misuse ancient biography for their historicising or mythologising agendas. I.e. we're very much the pupils this episode. Links:The Unbelievable? Show which sets up this discussion (With Mike Licona and Richard Burridge)It's the episode of 16 June 2017 ‘Why are there differences in Gospels?' Also find these in your podcast app:‘NT Review' episode 6 on Burridge's thesis - they aren't convinced‘NT Review' episode 17 - on the Prologue to the gospel of Luke – it's not history but the 'science' genre‘NT Pod' episode 98 with guest Robyn Walsh The book “Gospel Fictions” by Randel Helms that Andrew discussed (again): https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gospel-Fictions-Randel-Helms/dp/0879755725 Doubts Aloud Links:Please give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person again at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London If you see this soon after release ... John will be speaking on the topic on 9 Jan 2023

Episode 59– Show NotesWe had a great time with our guest Paul Thompson of the Skepticule Podcast. Paul has done a lot of research on St Nicolas and his afterlife as Santa Claus which we enjoyed. He also researched scams as part of the UK sceptical community and gave us the benefits by leading us through The Perfect Scam. So all good fun and games for the Christmas season.Links:The Unbelievable? Shows on which Paul has been a guest:20 Nov 2010 – with Philip Yancey on "What Good is God?"29 Jan 2011 – Human Value & Subversive StoriesFind the Skepticule Podcast in iTunes etc but sadly they are no longer producing new episodes.To reach out to Paul, ask us by gmail or find him on the official Unbelievable? Facebook discussion group:https://www.facebook.com/groups/unbelievablejb(you will find Frances and Ed fairly active there too) Doubts Aloud Links:Please give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person again at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 58– Show Notes Andrew is on a roll again, reporting his research into flat earth beliefs in the Bible. Actually, it is just a component in a whole cosmology of how the ‘heavens', earth and under the earth fit together. Spoiler – no turtles. This eventually moves on to Ed getting excited over whether Jesus was a flat earther. We can't help but see how this leads to literalist Bible interpreters becoming flat earthers - as in members of the modern conspiracy theory – and how important they were in the rise of that movement.Links:The link with the picture that Andrew mentioned early onhttps://pursuingveritas.com/2014/05/14/ancient-hebrew-cosmology/ The Dr Heiser 20 min video lecture that's really helpfulhttps://youtu.be/CGQDa9Ojk64 Another discussion from 2 evangelicals if you want it“Heaven & Earth • Episode 1 - What is the Old Testament referring to as "Heaven"?”https://bibleproject.com/podcast/heaven-earth-part-1/ We mentioned Skydive Phil debating on this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6eEmfcMjDk Finally the 2018 documentary film to google is “Behind the Curve”.Doubts Aloud Links:Please give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person again at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 57– Show Notes We start with methodological naturalism and whether rejecting can be scientifically legitimate, as this is the next chapter in our 50 Arguments for God book. Chapter title: “The Scientific Status of Design Inferences”. We discuss the argument in the chapter for rejecting methodological naturalism when it comes to the ‘science' of Intelligent Design. For us the boundaries of this ‘methodological naturalism free-zone' is the problem.This leads us on to considering if methodological naturalism doesn't apply in science or in life. God is seen as intervening in the Bible. What are the implications? Is this what we see in the world? What about the idea that we might have heard in school assembly - we are God's or Jesus's hands and feet?Links:The book by Thom Stark that we mentioned: “The Human Faces of God” by Thom Stark and John Collinshttps://www.amazon.co.uk/Books-Thom-Stark/s?rh=n%3A266239%2Cp_27%3AThom+Stark And “Evidence for God: 50 Arguments for Faith from the Bible, History, Philosophy and Science” by Mike Licona and William Dembski. https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=Evidence+for+God%3A+50+Arguments&i=stripbooks&crid=2JZMR7RRQTQ9P&sprefix=evidence+for+god+50+arguments+%2Cstripbooks%2C108&ref=nb_sb_noss Doubts Aloud Links:Please give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person again at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 56– Show NotesWe're delighted to welcome SkyDive Phil back on the show. Not on vegetarianism as we'd trailed (please be patient) but on his recent work on the Kalam Cosmological Argument. The most prominent form of the argument, as defended by Christian apologist and philosopher William Lane Craig, states the Kalam cosmological argument as the following syllogism: Everything that begins to exist has a cause.The universe began to exist.Therefore, the universe has a cause. The conclusion is then used to fit God to that cause. Phil has released a long video based on interviews with scientists, philosophers and mathematicians. It covered various ways the premises have been defended. Craig subsequently responded to the video using his podcast YouTube outlet and then Phil prepared a second video to reply to William Craig. Here's the links to the Phil videos: https://youtu.be/pGKe6YzHiMEandhttps://youtu.be/femxJFszbo8 This was a massive amount of work by Phil and his team and the results are brilliantly helpful. It was great to chat through with Phil on the material, his experience in doing this and how the various participants (not least Craig) view such debate and discussion. Doubts Aloud Links:Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review. Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 55 - Title Suggestions1. God's Body2. Does God have a Body?3. God really has a Body and we're not joking4. The one where God has a body Episode 55– Show NotesThe idea we explore is that the Old Testament authors all thought that God had a body. For them He wasn't an ethereal unembodied universal Being. We look at the evidence for this view and the reasons it seems so contrarian a view to take. There is wonderful history here hidden in the Old Testament and in the story of how views have developed since. Frances shared an infamous legal case from the 19thC. Please see this link which includes a copy of the cartoon she describes:https://www.secularism.org.uk/the-freethinker-blasphemy-trials.html As is often the case we (well Frances & Ed, Andrew seems to know it already) gained immensely from “The Bible for Normal People” podcast. In this case episode 147. Here's the YouTube version:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aFnRpNQFhI Doubts Aloud Links:Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review. Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 53– Show NotesWe start with an argument from our series on 50 Arguments for God's Existence. This time“The Argument from Degrees of Perfection” by Catholic philosopher Peter Freeft. The following link gives a summary.https://peterkreeft.com/topics-more/20_arguments-gods-existence.htm#4We try our best to do the argument justice while discussing how it doesn't work for us.Somehow we drifted into mentioning the recent debate “Theism vs Atheism” between Jonathan McLatchie and Alex O'Connor. Here's the link:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnIQFI1pYLM This idea of God's Perfection led us on to this pair of questions:1) Would a perfect God create a perfect world?2) Is this world perfect? It opened up what the Bible says on God being perfect, which is not just Jesus's words in Matthew 5v48 “Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” The Old Testament Yahweh doesn't come across as perfect. We enjoyed the anger management in Exodus 33v3The classic Christian response to why our world isn't perfect while God is perfect is the Fall and Adam and Eve. We go back there again (sorry). Doubts Aloud Links:Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review. Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 52– Show NotesAndrew's daughter, Jahannah, has a YouTube channel and she takes seriously the possibility of Atlantis being more than a myth. They held a debate together on her channel which Andrew needed to prepare for with a heap of research and reading. The parallels with research into ancient history of relevance to Hebrew and Christian beliefs made this exercise a great window onto the issues our podcast covers, and so we get stuck in. This drifts in eventually to a brief chat about the ‘curse tablet' that may be a significant find to add evidence for an early date for the name Yahweh. Jahannah's channel is FunnyOldWorld:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCN2Z_nuG5XtVnE998unA3PAAnd their debate is called “Dad Debates Atlantis Part 1” (with the 2nd one coming later):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaVl1CORQDY The Premier Christianity article on the ‘curse tablet' which gives both sides:https://www.premierchristianity.com/opinion/is-this-biblical-curse-tablet-the-most-significant-discovery-in-recent-history/12803.article Doubts Aloud Links:Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review. Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 51 – Show NotesWe're delighted to have a British District Judge as our guest. Not any District Judge but Graeme Smith who is a Christian and has written a book on the evidence for the resurrection, which he considers is excellent. We each enjoy a collegiate discussion with Graeme on various aspects of the book and how he concludes as he does. The book is “Was the Tomb Empty: A Lawyer Weighs The Evidence For The Resurrection” Feb. 2014 Here's a purchase link:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Was-Tomb-Empty-Evidence-Resurrection/dp/0857215280 Doubts Aloud Links:Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review. Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 50– Show NotesWe celebrate our 50th episode by getting down and muddy in the issue of divine practical advice. Christians celebrate it when ancient advice or OT Law tallies well with modern health advice, but they don't see the massive misses that there are in the Bible. We spend most of the time diving deep into the example of hand washing with soap, which is simple, within the technology of Bible times and has a massive impact on child mortality rates. Can we expect a loving God to help by giving this advice, especially when He visits earth in the incarnation? Some of the references and links we mentioned:Leviticus 13 & 14 for boils and mould. Chapter 15 for “an unusual bodily discharge” where there is lots of references to washing things and the only reference (v11) to anything remotely like hand washing in the community connected to health or food or sanitation or anything useful. The Christian podcaster excited about God's blessing in the Leviticus mould advice (we played this from 8min40s on):https://www.wholewordpodcast.com/790475/8617765-leviticus-14-mold-abatement-3500-years-before-science The key New Testament passage on Jesus' response to the Jews developing handwashing traditions around food is Mark 7:1-23. Ed made a meal from verses 8-9 and also 18-19. The link for these Jewish handwashing traditions around food:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handwashing_in_Judaism Links for handwashing in general, when there is no clean water available and on soaphttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_washinghttps://globalhandwashing.org/about-handwashing/faqs/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap Finally the where Ed got objections using the Unbelievable Facebook discussion group:https://www.facebook.com/groups/unbelievablejb/posts/3926152774151876/ Doubts Aloud Links:Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review. Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Text for DA Podcast Ep 49 Episode 49– Show NotesWe were delighted to welcome back friend-of-the-show Steve Tomkins to tell us all about the theological debates in late Tudor England which were conducted using, at one extreme, burnings at the stake and, at the other extreme, scurrilous publications akin to a 16thC Private Eye. Much of the material that Steve shared is in his recent book:The Journey to the Mayflower: God's Outlaws and the Invention of Freedom (2020) If you want to know anything about Church history or really anything that matters, please see Steve's other books:A Short History of Christianity (Lion Histories) 2005The Clapham Sect: How Wilberforce's Circle Transformed Britain 2010William Wilberforce: A biography 2007David Livingstone: The Unexplored Story 2013My Ministry Manual by Rev.Gerald Ambulance 2003Jesus and His World - Paul and His World (Steve wrote the Paul part) 2019John Wesley: A Biography 2003 Doubts Aloud Links:Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review. Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 48– Show Notes This month we discuss Open Theism which is based on the idea that God doesn't know the future choices that free agents will make. It is a relatively new idea within the history of Christianity and it has received increasing attention in recent years with thinkers such as Greg Boyd promoting it. The narratives in the Old Testament tend to indicate this view of God's knowledge as God is a more human type of character when compared to the ‘omni' God of classical Theism which follows from classical Greek philosophy such as Aristotle. We discuss the implications on issues such as prayer and changing God's mind, prophecy which requires God to know the future and the Problem of Evil. We end with a quick discussion of how Islam and Judaism fit in with this. Links:We mentioned a few links and sources: Dr William Hasker being interviewed on Open Theismhttps://youtu.be/csGWj1pgrxE The Unbelievable Show episode on this from May 2016 with James White & John Sandershttps://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable/Episodes/Unbelievable-Is-Open-Theism-a-heresy-James-White-vs-John-Sanders The extract from John Sanders that Andrew played was this (from another debate with James White):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQBECHTVCDM&t=1751 Andrew suggested Greg Boyd's website as a good place to get the case for Open Theism:Visit https://reknew.org/ and put ‘Open Theism' in the ‘Search the Site' facility A key 20thC theologian on Open Theism was Clark Pinnock, eg see:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_Pinnock We mentioned several Bible passages, most were easily found stories, but the one we looked at as a possible counter-text for Open Theism is Isaiah 46 v9-11. Finally we briefly discussed ‘God's Body' as rather more than an artistic metaphor in the early texts. This podcast will explain more:The Bible For Normal People - Episode 147: Benjamin D. Sommer - Does God Have a Body?Find it here (or via your podcast app):https://peteenns.com/podcast/ Doubts Aloud Links:Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review. Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 47 – Show NotesIt is a delight to welcome back John Nelson to the show after his time with us back in Episode 3. We got to know John in the London Unbelievable Discussion Group when he was an undergraduate at Nottingham studying theology. He has since moved on to post doctoral research at Oxford University and now Edinburgh. He has tended to concentrate mostly on the gospels, a topic of enduring interest to us. We chat about research into the historical Jesus, the genre of the gospels and - partly due to the season . Doubts Aloud Links:Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review. Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see: https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 46– Show Notes We start with the Gospel of Thomas as it the next chapter in our 50 Arguments for God book. Why do people talk about it? What is it? What is its history? What do we learn from it? This all raises the issue of lost early Christian documents - the surviving ones are the ‘winning' ones, those which scribes chose to copy and keep preserved. Thomas also raises the issues of Orthodoxy, Heresy and Diversity of Beliefs. We continue that discussion for the rest of the show. The towering figure here is German scholar Walter Bauer who changed the way academics think about this with his book published in the 1930s. “Orthodoxy and Heresy in Earliest Christianity”. A great way for podcast fans to learn more on him and his legacy is episode 26 of the podcast “The NT Review” Walter Bauer covered the 2ndC AD and we move on to discuss the 1stC where we have even less material outside those preserved in the New Testament. We look at those documents, along with the Didache which most date in the 1stC, and see both1. The various factions, disputes and diversity of beliefs being addressed in the letters, Acts and even the gospels. 2. The diversity of beliefs regarding core Christian doctrines, such as Salvation. Links:Andrew mentioned a 2ndC book pretending to be by some of Jesus' disciples and it was speaking against Paul. ….. Doubts Aloud Links:Please give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 45– Show Notes We discuss the New Testament Book of Revelation using Andrew's research and knowledge, as we did for Daniel last month. Things are more complex than for Daniel and we leave things a bit more open. The issues of when it was written and by whom are more straightforward perhaps, but what the author is trying to achieve with all the strange imagery and use of apocalyptic genre is not clear. We discuss that along with the massive use of the Old Testament in Revelation, the way the author invites us to expect near immediate fulfilment, the invitation in the text to do decoding, whether this is a crafted text or reporting of amazing dreams/visions and of course the violence - human suffering from God's wrath - that is described. Links:We mentioned the Naked Bible podcast by an evangelical scholar, Dr Michael Heiser, which introduces the book of Revelation, it is episode 352.https://nakedbiblepodcast.com/podcast/naked-bible-352-introducing-the-old-testament-in-the-book-of-revelation/ Doubts Aloud Links:Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review. Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 44– Show Notes We discuss the Old Testament Book of Daniel using Andrew's research and knowledge. The main controversy surrounds whether it is written by Daniel himself as it purports to be (6thC BC) or someone claiming to be Daniel in the 2ndC BC. As it turns out this is only a controversy when conservative scholars are around. We discuss the reasons why the mainstream date Daniel at the juncture when the ‘prophecies' suddenly turn from accurate to hopeless. The significance of this of course impacts on the use of Daniel by apologists, but the significance extends too to the use of it in the New Testament. Links:The quote from Richard Carrier:https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/18242 Doubts Aloud Links:Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review. Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 43 – Show NotesIt is a delight for us to have a long chat with Ed's friend Krish Kandiah, a Christian author and leader in the UK on adoption, fostering, social action and welcoming the vulnerable to our shores. He has written a successful book ‘Paradoxology' which covers a lot of ground that can cause doubts for believers and has been significant in our journeys. In particular the narratives seeming to describe genocide of Canaanites at the command of Yahweh. He sees this as a paradox between God's love and justice and what we read, say in Joshua, as we do. Krish's approach is to embrace the paradox and understand it within wider ones, such as the Trinity, rather than brush it away under the carpet.Here is the Amazon page for the book:https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=paradoxology+by+krish+kandiah Look out for other books by Krish including ‘Faitheism' on good relations between Christians and atheists as we discuss the issues. As we discussed both care for the vulnerable and punishment in hell we discussed this passage often called the ‘Parable of the Sheep and Goats': Matthew 25v31-46 And then when we were diving deep into commands and rules concerning the killing of women and children in the conquest, we discussed this passage: Deuteronomy 20v10-18 Krish is also a podcaster – called Leadershift. Please search for it in your podcast provider. Doubts Aloud Links:Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review. Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see: https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 42 – Show NotesAfter promising this for a while, at last we tackle Mythicism which in our context is the idea that Jesus never existed as a historical human being. None of us subscribe to the idea but we find it an interesting idea and movement to learn from, both in what they use as evidence and what kind of person believes in Mythicism. It leads us to question what we can actually determine about Jesus of Nazareth that isn't myth, either from Jewish or Greek/Roman stories and tropes. Some links:The discussion with Robyn Walsh on her new work about use of Roman tropes (or not) in the gospels, we had listened to it on the NT Pod:https://podacre.blogspot.com/2021/06/nt-pod-98-origins-of-early-christian.htmlThe book on use of material from the Old Testament such as Elijah and Elisha in the gospels:"Gospel Fictions" by Randel Helms 1988The BBC Radio 4 discussion on Agrippina the Younger“In Our Time” episode of 31 March 2016 - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b074yzwkDoubts Aloud Links:Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review. Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see: https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 41 – Show NotesIt is a delight for us to have a long chat with our friend ‘SkydivePhil' - Phil Halper. He's best known for his YouTube channel and has twice been on Unbelievable discussing cosmology and also, for his first appearance, animal suffering. Phil is a vegetarian and sees how the issue of animal suffering is a much more powerful argument against theism than is generally realised. It is that subject that we were keen to discuss, especially because Phil and some of his contacts have just published an important paper on the topic. The paper is not so much philosophy/theology but focuses most on the science of animal pain and suffering, asking the question of the degree to which animals suffer as we do when they experience pain. The conclusions from this are vast, but we stick in this episode to how it informs arguments against theism based on what we now know of animal suffering. SkydivePhil's Youtube channel is herehttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtOgKmAM4MeFu-jd-HB3_cg The best link for Phil's paper is here, it is free to read for its first three months https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09515089.2021.1914829?src=&journalCode=cphp20 Within the SkydivePhil channel, we suggest you look under “Animal videos” and especially Phil's discussion with Randal Rauser:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoRm8Rg4Lh0 Phil's appearances on Unbelievable…..On Animal Suffering, with Michael Murray:https://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable/Episodes/Unbelievable-Animal-suffering-and-God-Michael-Murray-vs-Phil-HarperOn Big Bang:https://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable/Episodes/Unbelievable-Has-the-Big-Bang-gone-bust-Phil-Harper-Jeff-ZweerinkOn Multiverse:https://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable/Episodes/Unbelievable-Who-s-afraid-of-the-Multiverse-Jeff-Zweerink-Skydive-Phil For Sethien cosmology see here (OT God is evil, despite creating the world. Gospel of Judas etc)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sethianism The material that eventually led Phil into becoming vegetarian was from the philosopher Robert Nozick , it can be found here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy,_State,_and_Utopia#Moral_constraints_and_the_state Doubts Aloud Links:Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review. Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see: https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 40 – Show NotesIt is a delight for us to have a long chat with our friend Justin Brierley, the founder and host of the Unbelievable Show (search “Unbelievable?” in your podcast App) where Christians and Atheists meet for respectful dialogue. The show is how the rest of us met each other. We discussed in particular chapter 3 of Justin’s Unbelievable? book, written in 2017:“Unbelievable?: Why after ten years of talking with atheists, I'm still a Christian”Eg: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Unbelievable-after-talking-atheists-Christian/dp/0281077983Chapter 3 is on human worth, the Moral Argument and morality. In the discussion we mentioned Tom Holland’s book “Dominion: The Making of the Western Mind”:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dominion-Making-Western-Tom-Holland/dp/0349141207 Why not pick up on Justin’s offer to join in with the recording of his next BIG CONVERSATION with NT Wright and Douglas Murray on Thurs 13th May 2021:https://www.thebigconversation.show/mythmiraclesandidentity And don’t forget this year’s Unbelievable? Conference on the afternoon of Sat 15th May:https://www.unbelievable.live/ Finally … a shout out to the Unbelievable? Discussion Group on Facebook hosted by Justin (where Frances & Ed are among the Admins) , which we discussed briefly:https://www.facebook.com/groups/unbelievablejbAsk and you’ll get let in soon enough Doubts Aloud Links:Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review. Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see: https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 39– Show NotesWe discuss the issue of some New Testament letters that have strong evidence to suggest that the author was not who they claimed to be. This practice was not uncommon in that period. We dig a bit deeper on the letter 2 Peter in particular. We took the opportunity to quickly discuss another chapter from our “50 Arguments for Faith” book: chapter 47 on the NT canon. What does it say on this issue? Links:The academic Bart Ehrman book is “Forgery and Counter-forgery: The Use of Literary Deceit in Early Christian Polemics“, 2013.Available:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Forgery-Counter-forgery-Literary-Christian-Polemics/dp/0199928037/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Forgery+and+counter+forgery&qid=1617536611&s=books&sr=1-1Doubts Aloud Links:The 50 Arguments for Faith book: “Evidence for God: 50 Arguments for Faith from the Bible, History, Philosophy and Science” by Mike Licona and William Dembski. (It can be found on Amazon.)Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review.Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.comJoin the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 38– Show NotesWe try to be sensitive as we discuss the recent scandal of Ravi Zacharias’ behaviour as a leading Christian apologist and communicator. This was not just a preaching getting into a sex scandal. There were many victims of abuse by his behaviour and his organisations forceful cover up.We seek to cover the aspects and implications of interest to atheists and where we have a more personal take on the story, such as Ed’s involvement with Ravi’s ministry in the UK (RZIM in Oxford). Links:The reporthttps://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/rzimmedia.rzim.org/assets/downloads/Report-of-Investigation.pdfThe Unbelievable Show on the scandal and implications:https://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable/Episodes/Unbelievable-The-Ravi-Zacharias-scandal-Dr-Diane-Langberg-Glen-Scrivener-and-Steve-Baughman-on-lessons-we-need-to-learnPremier Christianity coverage and reflectionhttps://www.premierchristianity.com/Blog/5-helpful-reflections-on-the-Ravi-Zacharias-scandalThe statement Ed was sent in 2017 by RZIM in Oxfordhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1n3cSBwEYqwYr9BQnJ-TEXYYP9Jjx96uU/view?usp=sharing Doubts Aloud Links:Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review. Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see: https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 37– Show Notes We continue the discussion from the last episode which had launched from the chapter in our favourite Apologetics book - "How Darwinism Dumbs Us Down: Evolution and Postmodernism". This time we discuss the theists’ side of deriving confidence in our knowledge (quoting the book): “an absolute mind as the basis for trust in human cognition”, i.e. being in God’s hands when it comes to what we can know.So what does happen when theists face their own source for determining truths and knowledge, which boils down to a reliance on God not deceiving them. Are they Dumber?We discussed the philosophy of how we can know that an all powerful God isn’t deceiving us and then we couldn’t help ourselves and turned to the passages in the Bible (Old and New Testament) where God does actively deceive. (See 1 Kings 22, Ezekiel 20:25 onwards and 2 Thessalonians 2:11 for starters)Ed thought that it might still be OK to live under a good loving God who may well be deceiving so that he (Ed) would just think what he was supposed to think. The question of knowing whether God is indeed good then comes to the fore. We looked at that too and had great trouble seeing how we could get there without merely trusting God’s supposed message to us that He is good.Links:Andrew’s YouTube clips on prophecies of Trump’s election win:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gIAtDxyTaMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfDouDlHM88 Frances’ article by Dallas G Denery II, associate professor of history and chair of the history department at Bowdoin College in Maine, where he discusses the history of the theologians’ struggle with the issue of divine deception.https://aeon.co/essays/how-the-scientific-revolution-made-an-honest-man-of-god Ed’s Christian site “Answering Islam” that claims to show that Allah is deceiving:https://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/allah_best_deceiver.htm Frances’ quote by Bertrand Russell on the absence of good:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absence_of_good The Unbelievable episode on ontological argumenthttps://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable/Episodes/Unbelievable-Debating-the-Ontological-Argument-Peter-S-Williams-Peter-Millican Doubts Aloud Links:The 50 Arguments for Faith book: “Evidence for God: 50 Arguments for Faith from the Bible, History, Philosophy and Science” by Mike Licona and William Dembski. (It can be found on Amazon.) Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review. Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see: https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 36– Show Notes We started with the next random chapter from our favourite Apologetics book "How Darwinism Dumbs Us Down: Evolution and Postmodernism". The idea is that knowledge arrived at for survival purposes is not likely to include metaphysical truth, so evolution undercuts any confidence in concluding naturalism or atheism. This quickly morphed to the more well-known presentation by Alvin Plantinga, which he called the Evolutionary Argument Against Naturalism (EAAN). We discussed it at some length, including how evolution has indeed not endowed us with perfect brains, rather ones subject to plenty of flaws. This is the outcome of observation not philosophical speculation. So we are all Dumb. We hinted at where this will be going in the next episode: what happens when theists face their own source for determining truths and knowledge, which is a reliance on God not deceiving them. Are they Dumber?We didn’t mention specific references to our material beyond Wikipedia, there is a lot of further reading available by doing a google search on the EAAN. Doubts Aloud Links:The 50 Arguments for Faith book: “Evidence for God: 50 Arguments for Faith from the Bible, History, Philosophy and Science” by Mike Licona and William Dembski. (It can be found on Amazon.) Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review. Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/ Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see: https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Rethinking Hell contributor Chris Date interviews atheist Ed Atkinson on how abductive reasoning can inform the intramural Christian debate over hell. Links: Ed Atkinson's "Doubts Aloud" Podcast (iTunes): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/doubts-aloud-podcast/id1344538182 The Unbelievable? Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group London (Meetup): https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London/

Episode 35 – Show NotesAndrew continued the long story of hell, picking up with St Paul. The various twists and turns (and torments) were related up to today. We frequently mentioned Chris Date, he was our guest in episode 9. Then Ed talked through his material on the apologetics of defending hell, based on a paper he wrote with Josh Parikh, find it here:https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Zq-BQro4qIaVMQNX6t4tMGRWIm5uVNc5/view?usp=sharing Finally we became festive and Frances provided some Seasonal debunking. First in her sights was a myth about the shepherds at the nativity, such as given here:https://www.premierchristianity.com/Past-Issues/2014/December-2014/Christmas-ScandalsHer source material was partly from ‘Facts and Trends’:https://factsandtrends.net/2015/12/17/christmas-urban-legends-shepherds-as-outcasts/And Frances mentioned the Jewish take on shepherdshttps://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1762017/jewish/People-of-the-Land.htm For good measure Frances then took on an atheist’s myth about Jesus and Mithras, such as was peddled on the BBC’s QI:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSm7YPMQOSo&feature=emb_logoSee Tim O’Neil’s work on this one:https://historyforatheists.com/2016/12/the-great-myths-2-christmas-mithras-and-paganism/ Doubts Aloud Links: Please leave us a review!Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 34 – Show NotesWe started with a quick update on our Atonement series from 2018 with a discussion arising from the recent Unbelievable Showhttps://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable/Episodes/Unbelievable-Debating-Wrath-Sin-and-Penal-Substitution-William-Lane-Craig-and-Greg-BoydWe applaud WLC for giving it a go to explain Penal Substitution rationally, but Frances’ legal mind unpicked his arguments based on precedents in US/UK law: employer’s liability and legal fictions. The we got stuck into hell with Andrew giving his story of anguish, research and discovery on it as a Christian. This led into a discussion on the emotional aspects of holding a belief in traditional hell. Then we started the long story of hell and afterlife beliefs with the early Old Testament, where there seemed to be no belief in the afterlife, through to Jesus who did teach frequently on hell in Matthew, Mark & Luke, together with useful material in John’s gospel. Of relevance here is Bart Ehrman’s new book: “Heaven and Hell: A History of the Afterlife” (2020)And see Andrew’s Christian Diversity on this one:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V8d-AG8QMk&list=PLIyesuRCrlRFYCYs_XMDKhd_MAyeF8esH&index=10 Doubts Aloud Links: Please leave us a review!Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 34 – Show NotesWe started with a quick update on our Atonement series from 2018 with a discussion arising from the recent Unbelievable Showhttps://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable/Episodes/Unbelievable-Debating-Wrath-Sin-and-Penal-Substitution-William-Lane-Craig-and-Greg-BoydWe applaud WLC for giving it a go to explain Penal Substitution rationally, but Frances’ legal mind unpicked his arguments based on precedents in US/UK law: employer’s liability and legal fictions. The we got stuck into hell with Andrew giving his story of anguish, research and discovery on it as a Christian. This led into a discussion on the emotional aspects of holding a belief in traditional hell. Then we started the long story of hell and afterlife beliefs with the early Old Testament, where there seemed to be no belief in the afterlife, through to Jesus who did teach frequently on hell in Matthew, Mark & Luke, together with useful material in John’s gospel. Of relevance here is Bart Ehrman’s new book: “Heaven and Hell: A History of the Afterlife” (2020)And see Andrew’s Christian Diversity on this one:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V8d-AG8QMk&list=PLIyesuRCrlRFYCYs_XMDKhd_MAyeF8esH&index=10 Doubts Aloud Links: Please leave us a review!Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 33 – Show NotesWe discuss how morality really is in human society and whether that fits better with an evolutionary outlook or typical theism. Theists usually appeal to morality as coming from God and expressing His moral nature. So what is morality like ‘in the field’? Some links we mentioned:That famous experiment with monkeys and fairness using grapes and cucumbers’.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meiU6TxysCgAnd the video of a monkey trying to revive a fellow in the group at an Indian train station: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVWPbd1UykYThe Netflix series “Orthodox” on escaping an ultra orthodox Jewish culture:https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/81019069The Netflix show “The Good Place” which included the trolley problem, in season 2:https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/80113701Doubts Aloud Links: Please leave us a review!Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 33 – Show NotesWe discuss how morality really is in human society and whether that fits better with an evolutionary outlook or typical theism. Theists usually appeal to morality as coming from God and expressing His moral nature. So what is morality like ‘in the field’? Some links we mentioned:That famous experiment with monkeys and fairness using grapes and cucumbers’.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meiU6TxysCgAnd the video of a monkey trying to revive a fellow in the group at an Indian train station: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVWPbd1UykYThe Netflix series “Orthodox” on escaping an ultra orthodox Jewish culture:https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/81019069The Netflix show “The Good Place” which included the trolley problem, in season 2:https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/80113701Doubts Aloud Links: Please leave us a review!Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 32 – Show Notes We complete our Summer of Miracles with our guest Robert L White the ‘common sense epistemologist’ and the kind of Christian apologist that we get along with. His podcast is ‘The Robert L. White Show’https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-robert-l-white-show/id1438270488Robert also blogs on his websitehttps://www.robertlwhite.net/ Robert is keen that we take the data seriously on miracles and he does have a case with the study done by Dr Candy Gunther Brown with healings from blindness and deafness in Mozambique and Brazil. It is presented in the book:‘Testing Prayer: Science and Healing’, April 2012 by Candy Gunther BrownThere is also a research paper:https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Study-of-the-Therapeutic-Effects-of-Proximal-Prayer-Brown-Mory/9c68aaab0d5902cef43d1fcc015eb59305f1dd1f?p2dfRobert mentioned and recommended this lecture by Dr. Brown herself giving an overview of her book and work:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRfLooh3ZOk Doubts Aloud Links: Please leave us a review!Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 32 – Show Notes We complete our Summer of Miracles with our guest Robert L White the ‘common sense epistemologist’ and the kind of Christian apologist that we get along with. His podcast is ‘The Robert L. White Show’https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-robert-l-white-show/id1438270488Robert also blogs on his websitehttps://www.robertlwhite.net/ Robert is keen that we take the data seriously on miracles and he does have a case with the study done by Dr Candy Gunther Brown with healings from blindness and deafness in Mozambique and Brazil. It is presented in the book:‘Testing Prayer: Science and Healing’, April 2012 by Candy Gunther BrownThere is also a research paper:https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Study-of-the-Therapeutic-Effects-of-Proximal-Prayer-Brown-Mory/9c68aaab0d5902cef43d1fcc015eb59305f1dd1f?p2dfRobert mentioned and recommended this lecture by Dr. Brown herself giving an overview of her book and work:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRfLooh3ZOk Doubts Aloud Links: Please leave us a review!Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 31 – Show Notes We continue giving our Overview of Miracles ‘in the field’ as the claims really show up in the world. Then we use our latest chapter from the 50 Arguments for Faith book to launch discussion on Jesus’ miracles: “The Credibility of Jesus’s Miracles” (Chapter 28, see full book details at bottom)The links we mentioned along the way …Frances was on Unbelievable discussing Ken Fish who has a healing ministry and came along with his best storieshttps://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable/Episodes/Unbelievable-Is-miracle-healing-for-real-Ken-Fish-vs-Frances-Janusz-2-healing-stories Andrew’s Christian Diversity YouTube channelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcGJKrkO1LQ A good talk by a cessationist in that he covers all there is:https://youtu.be/9o0z-J4RnwE Frances’ ancient Greek miracles: Asclepiushttps://www.degruyter.com/view/journals/opth/open-issue/article-10.1515-opth-2016-0006/article-10.1515-opth-2016-0006.xml And Epidaurushttps://www.greece-is.com/of-gods-and-dreams-the-ancient-healing-sanctuary-of-epidaurus/ Sathya Sai Baba in India:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Modern-Miracles-Story-Sathya-Prophet/dp/190873325X The book “Gospel Fictions” by Randel Helms that Andrew discussed: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gospel-Fictions-Randel-Helms/dp/0879755725 Doubts Aloud Links: Please leave us a review!Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London That book: “Evidence for God: 50 Arguments for Faith from the Bible, History, Philosophy and Science” by Mike Licona and William Dembski.

Episode 31 – Show Notes We continue giving our Overview of Miracles ‘in the field’ as the claims really show up in the world. Then we use our latest chapter from the 50 Arguments for Faith book to launch discussion on Jesus’ miracles: “The Credibility of Jesus’s Miracles” (Chapter 28, see full book details at bottom)The links we mentioned along the way …Frances was on Unbelievable discussing Ken Fish who has a healing ministry and came along with his best storieshttps://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable/Episodes/Unbelievable-Is-miracle-healing-for-real-Ken-Fish-vs-Frances-Janusz-2-healing-stories Andrew’s Christian Diversity YouTube channelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcGJKrkO1LQ A good talk by a cessationist in that he covers all there is:https://youtu.be/9o0z-J4RnwE Frances’ ancient Greek miracles: Asclepiushttps://www.degruyter.com/view/journals/opth/open-issue/article-10.1515-opth-2016-0006/article-10.1515-opth-2016-0006.xml And Epidaurushttps://www.greece-is.com/of-gods-and-dreams-the-ancient-healing-sanctuary-of-epidaurus/ Sathya Sai Baba in India:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Modern-Miracles-Story-Sathya-Prophet/dp/190873325X The book “Gospel Fictions” by Randel Helms that Andrew discussed: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gospel-Fictions-Randel-Helms/dp/0879755725 Doubts Aloud Links: Please leave us a review!Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/Meet us all in person (after Covid19) at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London That book: “Evidence for God: 50 Arguments for Faith from the Bible, History, Philosophy and Science” by Mike Licona and William Dembski.

Episode 30 – Show NotesWe start another summer mini-series, this summer on miracles, in response to a letter from Christian in Germany. This episode, we focus mostly on actual miracle stories as presented by people seeking to provide the most compelling cases. The video from Lee Strobel who had done 2 years of research:.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y57VUN2TO5M&feature=youtu.be&t=2077 The most striking case is clearly that of Barbara C Snyder here is a link to it we discuss: http://searchingdeeper.com/SearchingForMiracles.html Frances mentioned two links on spontaneous remission from multiple sclerosis unrelated to religion.https://www.sharecare.com/health/multiple-sclerosis-ms/what-is-spontaneous-cure-mshttps://msandbeyond.com/category/spontaneous-remission/ Christian asked us to consider Dr Sean George on Unbelievable last April:https://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable/Episodes/Unbelievable-Did-God-raise-Dr-Sean-George-from-the-dead-Sean-George-Hans-Vodder-and-Bradley-BowenAnd here is the response pdf from the atheist guest on that show, which Justin gave.https://thinkingcriticallyabout.podbean.com/e/nw-miracles-conference-the-resurrection-of-sean-george-powerpoint-pdf/ We stated an overview of the miracles scene in Christianity and general life today, initially noting how they are the exception even in Pentecostal and Charismatic circles, eg the April 2017 Premier Christianity mag p71 by Rob Parsons "Sorry to be awkward, but we need to talk about healing". It is not online. Email us for a pdf of the page. We discussed the kind of healings Derren Brown can do and his “Miracle” show and his appearance on Unbelievable (including a brilliant internal Premier discussion follow up):https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/80219802https://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable/Episodes/Unbelievable-Derren-Brown-show-2-discussing-miracles-and-healing Finally here are the two books we mentioned towards the end.“Heaven And Hell: A History Of The Afterlife” Bart D. Ehrman, March 31, 2020“The Case Against Miracles” by John W Loftus (Editor), 22 Nov. 2019 Doubts Aloud Links:Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review.Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.comMeet us all in person at the monthly (now via Zoom during Covid lockdown) “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 30 – Show NotesWe start another summer mini-series, this summer on miracles, in response to a letter from Christian in Germany. This episode, we focus mostly on actual miracle stories as presented by people seeking to provide the most compelling cases. The video from Lee Strobel who had done 2 years of research:.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y57VUN2TO5M&feature=youtu.be&t=2077 The most striking case is clearly that of Barbara C Snyder here is a link to it we discuss: http://searchingdeeper.com/SearchingForMiracles.html Frances mentioned two links on spontaneous remission from multiple sclerosis unrelated to religion.https://www.sharecare.com/health/multiple-sclerosis-ms/what-is-spontaneous-cure-mshttps://msandbeyond.com/category/spontaneous-remission/ Christian asked us to consider Dr Sean George on Unbelievable last April:https://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable/Episodes/Unbelievable-Did-God-raise-Dr-Sean-George-from-the-dead-Sean-George-Hans-Vodder-and-Bradley-BowenAnd here is the response pdf from the atheist guest on that show, which Justin gave.https://thinkingcriticallyabout.podbean.com/e/nw-miracles-conference-the-resurrection-of-sean-george-powerpoint-pdf/ We stated an overview of the miracles scene in Christianity and general life today, initially noting how they are the exception even in Pentecostal and Charismatic circles, eg the April 2017 Premier Christianity mag p71 by Rob Parsons "Sorry to be awkward, but we need to talk about healing". It is not online. Email us for a pdf of the page. We discussed the kind of healings Derren Brown can do and his “Miracle” show and his appearance on Unbelievable (including a brilliant internal Premier discussion follow up):https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/80219802https://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable/Episodes/Unbelievable-Derren-Brown-show-2-discussing-miracles-and-healing Finally here are the two books we mentioned towards the end.“Heaven And Hell: A History Of The Afterlife” Bart D. Ehrman, March 31, 2020“The Case Against Miracles” by John W Loftus (Editor), 22 Nov. 2019 Doubts Aloud Links:Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review.Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.comMeet us all in person at the monthly (now via Zoom during Covid lockdown) “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 29 – Show NotesThis month we welcomed well known British apologist Jonathan McLatchie to share the show with us. Jonathan is a stalwart of the Unbelievable show and can be found here:www. JonathanMcLatchie.comhttps://www.facebook.com/groups/apologeticacademy/https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr6nvYFyoCk5DsRgYRrhC_gJonathan has seen the importance of demonstrating the reliability of the gospels and has researched the use of ‘Undesigned Coincidences’ to do this. It is where incidental details of a story given by two separate authors mesh together in an undersigned way. It leads to greater confidence that the authors are each speaking about the same factual event rather than a legend. Andrew and Jonathan talk first about the history of Undesigned Coincidences especially regarding the gospels, the approach dates back to the late 17thC and William Paley himself. There are dozens of these apparent coincidences that scholars and then apologists has used. But we go on a deep dive on just one, from the feeding of the 5000 stories narratives which occur in all 4 gospels (starting Matt14.13, Mark6.30, Luke9.10 and John6.1). It is usually the example Jonathan mentions first.The discussion seeks to see the relationship between Undesigned Coincidences and New Testament scholarship as it has developed in the centuries since it Paley.The books and links we mentioned:Friend of the show John Nelson’s bloghttps://medium.com/the-reluctant-convert/some-thoughts-on-undesigned-coincidences-a1949c8bb4f9“Hidden in Plain View: Undesigned Coincidences in the Gospels and Acts” 2017 by Lydia McGrew“The Mirror or the Mask: Liberating the Gospels from Literary Devices” 2019 by Lydia McGrew6 blogs by Jonathan in response to Richard Carrier on Undesigned Coincidences:http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2020/03/yes-richard-carrier-there-are.htmlhttp://www.answeringmuslims.com/2020/03/can-scribal-errors-account-for.htmlhttp://www.answeringmuslims.com/2020/03/who-has-fabricated-data-lydia-mcgrew-or.htmlhttp://www.answeringmuslims.com/2020/03/is-redaction-usually-better-hypothesis.htmlhttp://www.answeringmuslims.com/2020/03/external-coincidences-and-acts-of.htmlhttp://www.answeringmuslims.com/2020/04/rounding-off-my-response-to-richard.html Scholarly article “Fatigue in the Synoptics” by Mark Goodacre, 1998http://www.markgoodacre.org/Q/fatigue.htm Doubts Aloud Links:Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review.Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.comJoin the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/Meet us all in person at the monthly (now via Zoom during Covid lockdown) “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 29 – Show NotesThis month we welcomed well known British apologist Jonathan McLatchie to share the show with us. Jonathan is a stalwart of the Unbelievable show and can be found here:www. JonathanMcLatchie.comhttps://www.facebook.com/groups/apologeticacademy/https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr6nvYFyoCk5DsRgYRrhC_gJonathan has seen the importance of demonstrating the reliability of the gospels and has researched the use of ‘Undesigned Coincidences’ to do this. It is where incidental details of a story given by two separate authors mesh together in an undersigned way. It leads to greater confidence that the authors are each speaking about the same factual event rather than a legend. Andrew and Jonathan talk first about the history of Undesigned Coincidences especially regarding the gospels, the approach dates back to the late 17thC and William Paley himself. There are dozens of these apparent coincidences that scholars and then apologists has used. But we go on a deep dive on just one, from the feeding of the 5000 stories narratives which occur in all 4 gospels (starting Matt14.13, Mark6.30, Luke9.10 and John6.1). It is usually the example Jonathan mentions first.The discussion seeks to see the relationship between Undesigned Coincidences and New Testament scholarship as it has developed in the centuries since it Paley.The books and links we mentioned:Friend of the show John Nelson’s bloghttps://medium.com/the-reluctant-convert/some-thoughts-on-undesigned-coincidences-a1949c8bb4f9“Hidden in Plain View: Undesigned Coincidences in the Gospels and Acts” 2017 by Lydia McGrew“The Mirror or the Mask: Liberating the Gospels from Literary Devices” 2019 by Lydia McGrew6 blogs by Jonathan in response to Richard Carrier on Undesigned Coincidences:http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2020/03/yes-richard-carrier-there-are.htmlhttp://www.answeringmuslims.com/2020/03/can-scribal-errors-account-for.htmlhttp://www.answeringmuslims.com/2020/03/who-has-fabricated-data-lydia-mcgrew-or.htmlhttp://www.answeringmuslims.com/2020/03/is-redaction-usually-better-hypothesis.htmlhttp://www.answeringmuslims.com/2020/03/external-coincidences-and-acts-of.htmlhttp://www.answeringmuslims.com/2020/04/rounding-off-my-response-to-richard.html Scholarly article “Fatigue in the Synoptics” by Mark Goodacre, 1998http://www.markgoodacre.org/Q/fatigue.htm Doubts Aloud Links:Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review.Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.comJoin the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/Meet us all in person at the monthly (now via Zoom during Covid lockdown) “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 28 – Show Notes We start by trying to track Christian responses to the virus from before it was known about at all. Were there any prophecies? We include the reasons given which fell to the two extremes of The Devil and God in Punishment mode. Here are Andrew’s links:Ed noted how this matched this discussion on Unbelievablehttps://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable/Episodes/Unbelievable-2-views-on-suffering-Warfare-vs-Blueprint-Kurt-Jaros-Ken-Brownell We then started to see prophecies of when it would end, which turned out to be flat out wrong.We liked this one, Kenneth Copeland from March 13th.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys3CrUdxSGM The Psalm on protection from pandemics that we read out was Psalm 91 v1-8 This leads to the conflict between belief and good citizenship to save lives. We then moved onto the more serious apologetic responses to the pandemic, here is Justin Brierrley’s blog:https://www.premierchristianity.com/Blog/Why-doesn-t-God-stop-Coronavirus-and-mend-the-world?fbclid=IwAR0XepfueN3CFTYIw318EDj3eZ9uNMuvk95djOTIhwJoNwbPngmX7qdFUIEKey text we read and discussed:“The Christian story is that the whole created order is in some sense ‘out of kilter’ at a cosmic level. Some theologians trace this to human rebellion – an outworking of ‘the fall’ which acts both forwards and backwards in time. Others point to the existence of an earlier rebellion in the angelic realm that sparked a ‘cosmic fall’ (hinted at in Revelation 12:9).” And here is John Lennox’s: text bloghttps://www.premierchristianity.com/Blog/John-Lennox-If-God-why-coronavirus?utm_source=Premier%20Christian%20Media&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=11462416_Voice%20of%20Hope%2008%2F04%2F2020&utm_content=John&dm_i=16DQ,6TOGG,61BRJF,RC4XP,1 We mentioned the far right Catholics at the end, here is the link we used:https://unherd.com/thepost/catholic-far-right-hatred-of-pope-francis-doubles-down-in-covid-era/ Doubts Aloud Links:Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review.Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.comJoin the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/Meet us all in person at the monthly (now via Zoom during Covid lockdown) “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Text for DA Podcast Ep 28 Episode 28 – Title SuggestionsResponses to Covid-19Christian Responses to Covid-19Christians in Pandemic Episode 28 – Show Notes We start by trying to track Christian responses to the virus from before it was known about at all. Were there any prophecies? We include the reasons given which fell to the two extremes of The Devil and God in Punishment mode. Here are Andrew’s links:Ed noted how this matched this discussion on Unbelievablehttps://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable/Episodes/Unbelievable-2-views-on-suffering-Warfare-vs-Blueprint-Kurt-Jaros-Ken-Brownell We then started to see prophecies of when it would end, which turned out to be flat out wrong.We liked this one, Kenneth Copeland from March 13th.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys3CrUdxSGM The Psalm on protection from pandemics that we read out was Psalm 91 v1-8 This leads to the conflict between belief and good citizenship to save lives. We then moved onto the more serious apologetic responses to the pandemic, here is Justin Brierrley’s blog:https://www.premierchristianity.com/Blog/Why-doesn-t-God-stop-Coronavirus-and-mend-the-world?fbclid=IwAR0XepfueN3CFTYIw318EDj3eZ9uNMuvk95djOTIhwJoNwbPngmX7qdFUIEKey text we read and discussed:“The Christian story is that the whole created order is in some sense ‘out of kilter’ at a cosmic level. Some theologians trace this to human rebellion – an outworking of ‘the fall’ which acts both forwards and backwards in time. Others point to the existence of an earlier rebellion in the angelic realm that sparked a ‘cosmic fall’ (hinted at in Revelation 12:9).” And here is John Lennox’s: text bloghttps://www.premierchristianity.com/Blog/John-Lennox-If-God-why-coronavirus?utm_source=Premier%20Christian%20Media&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=11462416_Voice%20of%20Hope%2008%2F04%2F2020&utm_content=John&dm_i=16DQ,6TOGG,61BRJF,RC4XP,1 We mentioned the far right Catholics at the end, here is the link we used:https://unherd.com/thepost/catholic-far-right-hatred-of-pope-francis-doubles-down-in-covid-era/ Doubts Aloud Links:Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review.Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.comJoin the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/Meet us all in person at the monthly (now via Zoom during Covid lockdown) “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Text for DA Podcast Ep 28 Episode 28 – Title SuggestionsResponses to Covid-19Christian Responses to Covid-19Christians in Pandemic Episode 28 – Show Notes We start by trying to track Christian responses to the virus from before it was known about at all. Were there any prophecies? We include the reasons given which fell to the two extremes of The Devil and God in Punishment mode. Here are Andrew’s links:Ed noted how this matched this discussion on Unbelievablehttps://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable/Episodes/Unbelievable-2-views-on-suffering-Warfare-vs-Blueprint-Kurt-Jaros-Ken-Brownell We then started to see prophecies of when it would end, which turned out to be flat out wrong.We liked this one, Kenneth Copeland from March 13th.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys3CrUdxSGM The Psalm on protection from pandemics that we read out was Psalm 91 v1-8 This leads to the conflict between belief and good citizenship to save lives. We then moved onto the more serious apologetic responses to the pandemic, here is Justin Brierrley’s blog:https://www.premierchristianity.com/Blog/Why-doesn-t-God-stop-Coronavirus-and-mend-the-world?fbclid=IwAR0XepfueN3CFTYIw318EDj3eZ9uNMuvk95djOTIhwJoNwbPngmX7qdFUIEKey text we read and discussed:“The Christian story is that the whole created order is in some sense ‘out of kilter’ at a cosmic level. Some theologians trace this to human rebellion – an outworking of ‘the fall’ which acts both forwards and backwards in time. Others point to the existence of an earlier rebellion in the angelic realm that sparked a ‘cosmic fall’ (hinted at in Revelation 12:9).” And here is John Lennox’s: text bloghttps://www.premierchristianity.com/Blog/John-Lennox-If-God-why-coronavirus?utm_source=Premier%20Christian%20Media&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=11462416_Voice%20of%20Hope%2008%2F04%2F2020&utm_content=John&dm_i=16DQ,6TOGG,61BRJF,RC4XP,1 We mentioned the far right Catholics at the end, here is the link we used:https://unherd.com/thepost/catholic-far-right-hatred-of-pope-francis-doubles-down-in-covid-era/ Doubts Aloud Links:Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review.Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.comJoin the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/Meet us all in person at the monthly (now via Zoom during Covid lockdown) “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

Episode 28 – Show Notes We start by trying to track Christian responses to the virus from before it was known about at all. Were there any prophecies? We include the reasons given which fell to the two extremes of The Devil and God in Punishment mode. Here are Andrew’s links:Ed noted how this matched this discussion on Unbelievablehttps://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable/Episodes/Unbelievable-2-views-on-suffering-Warfare-vs-Blueprint-Kurt-Jaros-Ken-Brownell We then started to see prophecies of when it would end, which turned out to be flat out wrong.We liked this one, Kenneth Copeland from March 13th.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys3CrUdxSGM The Psalm on protection from pandemics that we read out was Psalm 91 v1-8 This leads to the conflict between belief and good citizenship to save lives. We then moved onto the more serious apologetic responses to the pandemic, here is Justin Brierrley’s blog:https://www.premierchristianity.com/Blog/Why-doesn-t-God-stop-Coronavirus-and-mend-the-world?fbclid=IwAR0XepfueN3CFTYIw318EDj3eZ9uNMuvk95djOTIhwJoNwbPngmX7qdFUIEKey text we read and discussed:“The Christian story is that the whole created order is in some sense ‘out of kilter’ at a cosmic level. Some theologians trace this to human rebellion – an outworking of ‘the fall’ which acts both forwards and backwards in time. Others point to the existence of an earlier rebellion in the angelic realm that sparked a ‘cosmic fall’ (hinted at in Revelation 12:9).” And here is John Lennox’s: text bloghttps://www.premierchristianity.com/Blog/John-Lennox-If-God-why-coronavirus?utm_source=Premier%20Christian%20Media&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=11462416_Voice%20of%20Hope%2008%2F04%2F2020&utm_content=John&dm_i=16DQ,6TOGG,61BRJF,RC4XP,1 We mentioned the far right Catholics at the end, here is the link we used:https://unherd.com/thepost/catholic-far-right-hatred-of-pope-francis-doubles-down-in-covid-era/ Doubts Aloud Links:Please leave us a review on iTunes and we will respond to any question asked there with the review.Or give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.comJoin the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023280847835278/Meet us all in person at the monthly (now via Zoom during Covid lockdown) “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London