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Scripture Notes - https://scripturenotes.com 180 years ago, these same arguments were prevalent in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and in the RLDS. Today, they are resurfacing and they are all focused on Brigham Young. The triad of the temple, character, and polygamy are ambushing Brigham Young and lancing attacks as a corrupt, evil man. Website - www.cwicmedia.com 

Send us a textVIDEO PODCAST HEREPOWERPOINT HEREWe discuss a couple important discrepancies in RLDS/LDS/Restoration doctrine.   We ask the question "what is our foundation"?   Many different beliefs occur among current and ex LDS, RLDS, Community of Christ, and all factions of the "Restoration",  but why?  It comes down to foundations.  What do we go to as the standard when beliefs diverge?   Freemasonry,  the Book of Enoch, the Inspired version or (Joseph Smith's new translation), the Doctrine and Covenants, the Book of Mormon, the Bible?  How much does truth matter and what is the source of that truth?   The Book of Mormon states we will be judged according to it's words and the knowledge it plainly restored about Christ's simple doctrine and gospel.   How much do we value this great gift given to us in these last days?   Are we willing to embrace its teaching at the expense of giving up our past traditions and beliefs when they conflict? Restored Gospel - Scripture Search and Study Resources Contact us:restoredgospelpodcast@gmail.comMusic by Michael Barrett

When a simple curiosity of well-worn scripture leads to a full-fledged passion, can the pages of history strengthen our faith even more?For family man and dedicated Book of Mormon collector, Robert Messick, the answer is a resounding YES! In this fascinating episode of Latter-day Lights, Robert takes us on a journey through centuries of rare and unique Book of Mormon editions—from early RLDS printings and first-edition 1830 copies, to a near-mythical Deseret Alphabet copy with only 500 ever produced. Robert reveals how these volumes aren't just prized collectibles—they're precious links to the faith, sacrifices, and testimonies of the Saints who came before us.Building on his passion for preserving these sacred artifacts, Robert also introduces The Book of Mormon Census Project, an ambitious effort to track and protect these treasured books worldwide.Robert's testimony shines as a gentle reminder that the Book of Mormon remains a living, unifying force—no matter its publication date, material, or design. Whether you're a history buff, a collector at heart, or simply seeking spiritual uplift, you'll find inspiration in Robert's stories of faith, family, and the timeless power of scripture.*** Please SHARE Robert's story and help us spread hope and light to others. ***To WATCH this episode on YouTube, visit: https://youtu.be/g9asiuaih3k-----To FOLLOW Robert's YouTube channel, visit: https://www.youtube.com/@bookofmormoneditionsTo FOLLOW The Book Of Mormon Census Project, visit: https://bookofmormoncensus.com/-----Keep updated with us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/latter.day.lights/Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/latterdaylightsAlso, if you have a faith-promoting or inspiring story, or know someone who does, please let us know by going to https://www.latterdaylights.com and reaching out to us.#LDSPodcast #ChristianStories #LatterDayLights

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Jeffrey Lundgren, a self-proclaimed prophet and former RLDS preacher, led a cult in Kirtland, Ohio, where he manipulated his followers through religious extremism and violence. In April 1989, he orchestrated the brutal murders of Dennis and Cheryl Avery and their three daughters, believing their deaths were a necessary sacrifice for divine favor. After fleeing to West Virginia and later California, Lundgren was eventually captured, convicted, and executed in 2006, while several of his followers received lengthy prison sentences. Tune in to Crime After Dark here:  Spotify Apple Podcasts Author: Mike Colucci Huge thanks to our sponsors: Acorns Early: Head to acornsearly.com/crimehub or download the Acorns Early app to get started. Sign up now and your first month is on us! Acorns: Head to acorns.com/crimehub or download the Acorns app to start saving and investing for your future today! SelectQuote: Go to SelectQuote.com/crimehub today to find the right life insurance for you. Shopify: Go to shopify.com/crimehub to take your retail business to the next level today. AquaTru: Get 20% off any AquaTru water purifier by going to AquaTru.com and using promo code CRIMEHUB at checkout. June's Journey: Download June's Journey for free on iOS and Android today! * * * DISCLAIMER: This episode contains explicit content. Parental guidance is advised for children under the age of 18. Listen at your own discretion. #crimehub #truecrime #truecrimepodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Send us a textVIDEO PODCAST HEREIs there one true church?   The LDS and RLDS would say yes.   As would the Catholic Church.  But what does Jesus say?   He says a lot in the Book of Mormon about 2 churches.   The church of God and the church of the devil.  He also says a lot about who His church is , and what those requirements are.  It is not as complicated as we have made it!  What is the one true church?  Where is the one true church? Is there one true church?  Yes!!! Restored Gospel - Scripture Search and Study Resources Contact us:restoredgospelpodcast@gmail.comMusic by Michael Barrett

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We're diving into the history of RLDS & LDS in Tahiti. I was surprised to learn that the Community of Christ has a large number of members in Tahiti. Why is this? Well it turns out the LDS missionaries were run off the island over polygamy, and the anti-polygamy RLDS were welcomed back with open arms! Find out more in our next conversation with Amanda... https://youtu.be/j-cXVeW3EiM Don't miss our other conversations with Amanda: https://gospeltangents.com/people/amanda-hendrix-komoto/ Amanda's Potato History Latter Day Saints in Tahiti CoC Replaced LDS in Tahiti Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission. transcript to follow Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission.

Medverkande i detta avsnitt är Martin, Patrik och gästen Pär Öberg. Gillar ni det vi producerar får ni gärna skicka in ett bidrag till bankkonto SEB 5708 35 378 011)     Den 14:e juni 2024 klassade USA:s utrikesdepartement 3 framträdande personer ur Nordiska Motståndsrörelsen som globala terrorister. En av dem var Pär Öberg och i detta avsnitt intervjuar vi honom inledningsvis kring vilka personliga konsekvenser detta inneburit för honom då hans bank Swedbank som han varit kund hos i 34 år några timmar efter beskedet helt enkelt frös hans personliga tillgångar och han förlorade i samma veva sitt bankkonto i samma bank. Diskussionen flyter sedan vidare kring Pärs tankar kring demokratin av i dag och vi ställer nyfikna frågor kring hur han ser på hur mycket den globala median egentligen kan ljuga, men även kring hur Pär ser på den moderna vetenskapen och hur stor tillit man egentligen kan tillägna den.  2)     Outro 1    Rauptiers låt Opus Magni https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs0bKHcUjc4  3)     Outro 2    Pär ringer till Swedbank och ställer frågor kring nedstängningen av hans bankkonto. https://nordfront.se/par-oberg-konfronterar-swedbank    4)     Outro 3    Svaret på ett lyssnarbrev som Martin skickade in till Motståndsrörelsens podcast Ledarperspektiv vilket publicerades den 13:e mars 2019. https://nordiskradio.se/?avsnitt=ledarperspektiv-40-propaganda-konspirationer-och-frammande-valdtaktsman

Most Mormons are committed, moral, and dedicated people. But are they Christians? They claim to be but is that true? Eric Pement, a former Reorganized Latter Day Saint, is on the show to talk to us about his experience growing up in the RLDS organization, and why he thought he was a better Christian than you. Eric came to Christianity after he realized he wanted a personal relationship with Jesus. His story and wisdom will help you understand Mormonism and how to talk to those who think they're Christians but deny the fundamentals of the faith.  Contact Eric Pement at ericpement@ratiochristi.org Register for the EMNR Conference at: https://emnr.org/conference/   Find Shanda www.shandafulbright.com Instagram & Facebook: @shandafulbright Email: hello@shandafulbright.com Free Resources: https://shandafulbright.com/links YouTube: http://bit.ly/ShandaYT2021 Store: www.Shandafulbright.com/shop  

Jeffrey Lundgren was living in Missouri in the early 1980s. He had a wife and four children and was heavily involved in the RLDS church. However, he became disillusioned with the church because he didn't agree with what he saw as some of its progressive views. Join Mike and Morf as they discuss Jeffrey Lundgren. After a stint in the Navy, Jeffrey had a hard time holding down a job. However, he was able to attract followers who agreed with his preachings and were willing to help support him and his family. In 1984, Jeffrey told his followers that God had commanded them to move to Ohio. Jeffrey Lundgren held a lot of sway and power over his followers, and he ultimately used them for deadly purposes. You can help support the show at patreon.com/criminology   An Emash Digital production

On this episode of Mormonish Podcast Rebecca and Landon have a fascinating discussion with Brandon Crockett and Alex Criddle about their new proof of concept project "EntheoMagus," a 40-minute documentary delving into the possibility that Joseph Smith and the early Mormons were using psychedelic sacraments.as a means to connect with the divine.This idea is gaining momentum as the mainstream learns more about plant medicines and their effects. Brandon and Alex present a compelling argument for the use of herbs and plants to facilitate group guided vision experiences as well as personal visions as described in early Mormonism. We know you'll find this as fascinating as we did! Our Guest LinksSeer Stoned Productions Patreon:https://www.patreon.com/SeerStonedProductionsFor exclusive content including the full documentary itself, a digital copy of "The Psychedelic History of Mormonism, Magic and Drugs," exclusive Q&A sessions from our public screenings of the film, research papers including audio and much more check out:EntheoMagus trailer:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0uHmmToTecCheck out the 90 second film trailer here.Seer Stoned Production website:https://seerstonedproductions.com/Find out more about the origin story of our team, upcoming showings and links to plenty of reading material. Debate with Brian Hales: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE7J0y_cPpgThe original debate about the psychedelic origins of Mormonism with LDS apologist Brian Hales on Mormon Book Reviews.Response to debate with Brian Hales:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l0L1EHtQOo&tExtended response to debate with Brian Hales hosted on Bryce Blankenagel's Naked Mormonism channel.Higher Powers of Man by Frederick M. Smith:https://ia800707.us.archive.org/9/items/cu31924029193781/cu31924029193781.pdfFrederick M. Smith's (third prophet-president of RLDS church) 1918 PhD dissertation outlining the various methods for achieving "religious ecstasy" inspired by Fred's desire to replicate the revelatory experiences of his grandfather, Joseph Smith. Included in these methods is a section of drugs, specifically peyote use. Alchemically Stoned: https://www.amazon.com/Alchemically-Stoned-Psychedelic-Secret-Freemasonry/dp/0578194007Practicing Freemason and Rosicrucian P.D. Newman reveals the psychedelic secrets of Freemasonry. Early Mormonism and the Magic World View:https://www.amazon.com/Early-Mormonism-Magic-World-View/dp/1560850892D. Michael Quinn's deep exploration into the magical influences and practices of the Smith family. While Quinn did not delve into the psychedelic use of the Smith family, he books referenced here overtly explore psychedelic / psychoactive plant use and their role in the magical experience. Seer Stoned Productions merch store:https://www.redbubble.com/people/entheomagus/shopThe Psychedelic Kirtland Temple Dedication: https://alexcriddle.substack.com/p/the-psychedelic-kirtland-temple-dedication An article by Alex with more details on the Kirtland Temple Dedication and the psychoactive components. Citations to the visions and charges of intemperance discussed can be found in the article. ***How to DONATE to Mormonish Podcast: If you would like to help financially support our podcast, you can DONATE to support Mormonish Podcast here: Mormonish Podcast is a 501(c) (3) https://donorbox.org/mormonish-podcast ****WE HAVE MERCH! **** If you'd like to purchase Mormonish Merch, you can visit our Merch store here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/mormonishmerch We appreciate our Mormonish viewers and listeners so much! Don't forget to LIKE and SUBSCRIBE to Mormonish Podcast! Contact Mormonish Podcast:...

The manuscript of the Bible JST has been lost for a couple centuries now. But The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints now owns the historic Kirtland Temple and other property from the Community of Christ, formerly RLDS. The Kirtland Temple has immense historic and religious significance to millions of Latter-day Saints and others who consider it sacred because it both is the first temple completed after the founding of the Church of Jesus Christ in 1830 and is a place Latter-day Saints believe Jesus Christ appeared days after Joseph Smith dedicated it in 1836. “We are deeply honored to assume the stewardship of these sacred places, documents and artifacts,” President Russell M. Nelson of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints said in the joint statement. “We thank our friends at Community of Christ for their great care and cooperation in preserving these historical treasures thus far. We are committed to doing the same.” 

In this conversation, Demetra interviews Barbara about her experience growing up as a Mormon. They discuss the different types of Mormons, including extremist groups, and the distinction between the LDS Church and offshoots like FLDS and RLDS. They also touch on the positive aspects of the Mormon community, the patriarchal nature of the religion, and the pressure to be perfect. The conversation concludes with an invitation for further questions and discussion.TakeawaysMormonism encompasses various groups, including the LDS Church and offshoots like FLDS and RLDS.The Mormon community provides a strong sense of community and support.Mormonism has a patriarchal structure and places a strong emphasis on perfectionism.Dating and marriage in Mormonism often involve getting married in a temple and adhering to strict moral codes.Chapters00:00Introduction and Curiosity about Mormonism01:19Different Types of Mormons03:02Discussion on Extremist Groups in Various Religions05:36Personal Preferences and Spiritual Journeys09:12Community and Positive Aspects of Mormonism11:19Patriarchal Nature and Perfectionism in Mormonism12:32Dating and Marriage in Mormonism14:12Summary and Invitation for Further Questions Email us at justhairmeoutpodcast@gmail.comWatch epdisodes on our YouTube channel!https://www.youtube.com/@JustHairMeOutVenmo @Barbara-BodilyAny donations are welcome and appreciated to support the producing of this podcast.Facebook: Just.Hair.Me.OutInstagram: just.hair.me.out.podcastTikTok: @just.hair.me.out

The Community of Christ, formerly the RLDS church, has named its new president! We bring on guest Evan Sharley to help us navigate the history of the RLDS/CoC, the climate into which Stassi Cramm is ascending to the office of prophet/president, and the current issues within the Community of Christ which converge to give a bleak impression of its future. Then we review the movie Whale Rider, a heartfelt legend-exploration story about progress overcoming conservatism. Then we wrap with some happy news about OpenAI and ChatGPT.   Show Notes:  Gileriodekel.com - Evan's personal website facebook.com/people/Heart-of-Discernment/100087683864565 - Heart of Discernment (progressive advocacy group) Gileriodekel.com/Maxims - Maxims of the Mother (Evan's book gathering her thoughts and beliefs) heartofdiscernment.com/polyamory-panel - Sunstone 2023 panel heartofdiscernment.com/polyamory-primer - About polyamorous families https://gileriodekel.com/books/   Media: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0298228/?ref_=hm_rvi_tt_i_2    Happy News:  https://thetechbasic.com/openai-seeks-to-combat-the-use-of-chatgpt-for-political-purposes-in-the-u-s-elections/    Go get your Glass Box Candle!  https://exmocandles.com/creator-candles/ Look for the Destroying Angel.    Other Appearances:    Come see us on Aron Ra's YouTube channel! He's doing a series titled Reading Joseph's Myth BoM. This link is for the playlist:   https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXJ4dsU0oGMKfJKvEMeRn5ebpAggkoVHf  Check out his channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@AronRa   Email: glassboxpodcast@gmail.com  Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/GlassBoxPod  Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/glassboxpodcast Twitter: https://twitter.com/GlassBoxPod  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/glassboxpodcast/  Merch store: https://www.redbubble.com/people/exmoapparel/shop Or find the merch store by clicking on “Store” here: https://glassboxpodcast.com/index.html One time Paypal donation: bryceblankenagel@gmail.com   

It's never too early or too late to stand up for what's right... or to stand against what's wrong. Though it took revelation from Wallace B. Smith to make the necessary change, women, and their advocates, started fighting for equality in the church for many years before that revelation arrived. Thanks to the work of grassroots groups like AWARE, the clarion call for equality and justice was heard around the church.  Join Cuppa Joe host Karin Peter, for an engaging conversation with Historic Sites Foundation lecturers Nancy Ross and David Howlett. Here, you'll get just a taste of what is available in the full lecture. View Nancy and David's lecture, here. If you have stories about the women's ordination or the struggle to get there, please share those with David (dhowlett@smith.edu) and Nancy (nancy.ross@utahtech.edu).  Download TranscriptThanks for listening to Project Zion Podcast!Follow us on Facebook and Instagram!Intro and Outro music used with permission: “For Everyone Born,” Community of Christ Sings #285. Music © 2006 Brian Mann, admin. General Board of Global Ministries t/a GBGMusik, 458 Ponce de Leon Avenue, Atlanta, GA 30308. copyright@umcmission.org “The Trees of the Field,” Community of Christ Sings # 645, Music © 1975 Stuart Dauerman, Lillenas Publishing Company (admin. Music Services). All music for this episode was performed by Dr. Jan Kraybill, and produced by Chad Godfrey. NOTE: The series that make up the Project Zion Podcast explore the unique spiritual and theological gifts Community of Christ offers for today's world. Although Project Zion Podcast is a Ministry of Community of Christ. The views and opinions expressed in this episode are those speaking and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of Community of Christ.

This is the third in a series of four podcasts honoring the life and ministry of Wally B Smith. This episode first aired on July 25, 2023. Controversy, disjunctive revelation, significant change, a new temple, and a connection to essential meaning. This episode of Cuppa Joe continues the theo-history saga with resident panel members, Lach Machay and Tony Chvala-Smith, sitting down with host, Karin Peter to take a look at the Wallace B. Smith era in the church. Grab your coffee and settle in for a fascinating discussion of some of what the church and its leadership encountered during the eighteen years in which “Wally B.” served as RLDS (now Community of Christ) President-Prophet.   Download TranscriptThanks for listening to Project Zion Podcast!Follow us on Facebook and Instagram!Intro and Outro music used with permission: “For Everyone Born,” Community of Christ Sings #285. Music © 2006 Brian Mann, admin. General Board of Global Ministries t/a GBGMusik, 458 Ponce de Leon Avenue, Atlanta, GA 30308. copyright@umcmission.org “The Trees of the Field,” Community of Christ Sings # 645, Music © 1975 Stuart Dauerman, Lillenas Publishing Company (admin. Music Services). All music for this episode was performed by Dr. Jan Kraybill, and produced by Chad Godfrey. NOTE: The series that make up the Project Zion Podcast explore the unique spiritual and theological gifts Community of Christ offers for today's world. Although Project Zion Podcast is a Ministry of Community of Christ. The views and opinions expressed in this episode are those speaking and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of Community of Christ.

If you think you know Mormonism, this one's for you. We examined the origins of the Latter Day Saints last month, and now we're taking a look at the men that led the Mormons in various divisions. There was a nonet of splinter groups that left the early Mormon Church before the assassination of Joseph Smith, but some of them shouldn't really count, since they disavowed everything Joseph taught, and they had no interest in the Book of Mormon, but there were a couple who broke away because they believed what Joseph taught, but believed he was a fallen prophet.After the succession crisis and the Great Mormon Schism, Brigham came out on top as the leader of the largest faction, and he took his party to the Salt Lake Valley, but several groups splintered off to avoid Brigham, while others splintered off much later to keep Brigham's vision alive forever. We're exploring the history of the Bickertonites, the Strangites, and the Smith-family branch formerly known as the RLDS, now called the Community of Christ. (The name change came right after the leadership was separated from the Smith family.)  We also look at the FLDS and their ilk, though they deserve greater attention in a later episode. What makes the Brighamite Majority LDS Church in Utah different from the others?  The biggest difference is the Latter-Day Saint Temples and the secretive Endowment, so we get into that, too.All this and more.... Support us on Patreon or you can get our merch at Spreadshirt.Join the Community on Discord.Learn more great religion factoids on Facebook and Instagram.

Video podcast hereA new series where we look at the doctrine of the Book of Mormon  compared to the traditions and teachings of the restoration church starting in 1830.   Today's focus is the teaching that Jesus and Satan are brothers.  The RLDS did not hold to this on a broad scale but it has been taught by the LDS.   When we look at the Book of Mormon teaching about who Jesus is, we see that this can not be possible.    We also discuss the the sentence in Genesis that shows Jesus is the connection between heaven and earth using Hebrew language.   Show links to powerpoint, charts, and other images used. Contact us: restoredgospelpodcast@gmail.comMusic by Michael BarrettContact us:restoredgospelpodcast@gmail.comMusic by Michael Barrett

Controversy, disjunctive revelation, significant change, a new temple, and a connection to essential meaning. This episode of Cuppa Joe continues the theo-history saga with resident panel members, Lach Machay and Tony Chvala-Smith, sitting down with host, Karin Peter to take a look at the Wallace B. Smith era in the church. Grab your coffee and settle in for a fascinating discussion of some of what the church and its leadership encountered during the eighteen years in which “Wally B.” served as RLDS (now Community of Christ) President-Prophet. Download TranscriptThanks for listening to Project Zion Podcast!Follow us on Facebook and Instagram!Intro and Outro music used with permission: “For Everyone Born,” Community of Christ Sings #285. Music © 2006 Brian Mann, admin. General Board of Global Ministries t/a GBGMusik, 458 Ponce de Leon Avenue, Atlanta, GA 30308. copyright@umcmission.org “The Trees of the Field,” Community of Christ Sings # 645, Music © 1975 Stuart Dauerman, Lillenas Publishing Company (admin. Music Services). All music for this episode was performed by Dr. Jan Kraybill, and produced by Chad Godfrey. NOTE: The series that make up the Project Zion Podcast explore the unique spiritual and theological gifts Community of Christ offers for today's world. Although Project Zion Podcast is a Ministry of Community of Christ. The views and opinions expressed in this episode are those speaking and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of Community of Christ.

The conclusion of the the craziest cult story I had never heard of.  This week, things, incredibly, get even weirder and darker than last week. More sexual debauchery.  
More twisted visions. And mass murder. And then it all comes crashing down after Jeffrey leads his followers into the wilderness where are there are dreams of magical vaginas, additional wives, and a lot more scat play.Want to apply for the Cummins Family Scholarship fund? Click this link!: https://learnmore.scholarsapply.org/cummins/  Deadline for application is April 24th at 3PM CT. Wet Hot Bad Magic Summer Camp tickets are ON SALE!  BadMagicMerch.com Bad Magic Productions Monthly Patreon Donation:  We were able to donate $14,014 dollars this month to Sleep In Heavenly Peace. Sleep in Heavenly Peace is a group of volunteers who build, assemble and deliver beds to families in need. Never getting a good night's rest - has you starting every day off at a disadvantage.    This wonderful organization has chapters all across the US.  
If you want to get involved or can offer up your skills, please visit https://shpbeds.org/ to learn more. We also donated $1,557 to our scholarship fund for next year. Thank you! Get tour tickets at dancummins.tv Watch the Suck on YouTube: https://youtu.be/encQPz46kAUMerch: https://www.badmagicmerch.comDiscord! https://discord.gg/tqzH89vWant to join the Cult of the Curious private Facebook Group? Go directly to Facebook and search for "Cult of the Curious" in order to locate whatever happens to be our most current page :)For all merch related questions/problems: store@badmagicproductions.com (copy and paste)Please rate and subscribe on iTunes and elsewhere and follow the suck on social media!! @timesuckpodcast on IG and http://www.facebook.com/timesuckpodcastWanna become a Space Lizard?  Click here: https://www.patreon.com/timesuckpodcastSign up through Patreon and for $5 a month you get to listen to the Secret Suck, which will drop Thursdays at Noon, PST. You'll also get 20% off of all regular Timesuck merch PLUS access to exclusive Space Lizard merch. You get to vote on two Monday topics each month via the app. And you get the download link for my new comedy album, Feel the Heat. Check the Patreon posts to find out how to download the new album and take advantage of other benefits.

The craziest cult story I had never heard of. Jeffrey Lundgren was a cult leader and a mass leader before being caught, imprisoned, and executed. What a wild ride he had before it all came to an end. Twisted sexual desires, doomsday predictions, and more.  Today I tell the first of two parts of this tale. Who was Jeffrey Lundgren? How did he twist RLDS/Community of Christ teachings to convince his followers that he was the prophet Joseph Smith preached of who would redeem Zion for the faithful?  After giving a refresher on the foundations of Mormonism, how the RLDS split off from the LDS, and explaining some key theological concepts Jeffrey would manipulate - we're off and running on a wild-ass, cult! cult! cult!  timeline...Want to apply for the Cummins Family Scholarship fund? Click this link!: https://learnmore.scholarsapply.org/cummins/  Deadline for application is April 24th at 3PM CT. Wet Hot Bad Magic Summer Camp tickets are ON SALE!  BadMagicMerch.com Bad Magic Productions Monthly Patreon Donation:  We were able to donate $14,014 dollars this month to Sleep In Heavenly Peace. Sleep in Heavenly Peace is a group of volunteers who build, assemble and deliver beds to families in need. Never getting a good night's rest - has you starting every day off at a disadvantage.    This wonderful organization has chapters all across the US.  
If you want to get involved or can offer up your skills, please visit https://shpbeds.org/ to learn more. We also donated $1,557 to our scholarship fund for next year. Thank you! Get tour tickets at dancummins.tv Watch the Suck on YouTube: https://youtu.be/9YBbQ4wDqpMMerch: https://www.badmagicmerch.comDiscord! https://discord.gg/tqzH89vWant to join the Cult of the Curious private Facebook Group? Go directly to Facebook and search for "Cult of the Curious" in order to locate whatever happens to be our most current page :)For all merch related questions/problems: store@badmagicproductions.com (copy and paste)Please rate and subscribe on iTunes and elsewhere and follow the suck on social media!! @timesuckpodcast on IG and http://www.facebook.com/timesuckpodcastWanna become a Space Lizard?  Click here: https://www.patreon.com/timesuckpodcastSign up through Patreon and for $5 a month you get to listen to the Secret Suck, which will drop Thursdays at Noon, PST. You'll also get 20% off of all regular Timesuck merch PLUS access to exclusive Space Lizard merch. You get to vote on two Monday topics each month via the app. And you get the download link for my new comedy album, Feel the Heat. Check the Patreon posts to find out how to download the new album and take advantage of other benefits.

Jeffrey Lundgren had grown up in the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (RLDS) but had been excommunicated for stealing funds from the Kirtland Temple and defrocked as a lay minister for teachings counter to the RLDS. When he left, he took several church members with him and started his own offshoot branch of the church, leading his followers to believe he was receiving messages directly from God. One of those messages would, unfortunately, lead to the murder of the Avery family, who were members of Lundgren's community themselves. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/middleagedandmediocre/message

Women with the priesthood? LGBTQ inclusivity? No forced baptisms? No weird temple ceremonies? Book of Mormon not viewed as the main scripture? Could it be that the Restored LDS church has more things right than the mainstream church? Jake tells Dusti all about the RLDS aka The Community of Christ Church and you'll be surprised how not half-bad it is.

Hasse Persson: God's kingdom is almighty. A single or a few representatives of God's kingdom can shake an entire nation as they manifest the kingdom of God. How, where and when do we  manifest God's kingdom ? Listen and be blessed .

Jacob IsBell from @Disciple of Christ and Jesse Waters join me to talk about discerning truth.  The spiritual realm operates under a different set of laws.   Why is it so hard to discern truth and why are people deceived?  How do we prevent deception? Can we get better at discerning truth?  Real life examples of being deceived, and finding truth are shared.  The goal is to know Christ and to know about Christ and the opposition loves to sew in lies and get us off course.  Two former LDS members and one former RLDS member discuss traditions and false understandings that keep us from knowing Him as he really is.   Join us in our conversation. #discipleofchrist #beingdisceived #howtoknowtruthVideo podcastScripture Search and Study http://www.restoredgospel.comThe Bible Project http://bibleproject.comContact us with comments or questions at:http://restoredgospelpodcast@gmail.comOr call us and leave a voice message at our podcast line816-379-6454

This week we are taking you all to Kirtland, Ohio for an unsavory tale that starts with a religion and ends in the tragic deaths of an entire family. Portions of this episode are straight from their mouths, with included audio interviews. Prepare to be shook.

We're continuing our conversation with Bill Russell, a former professor at Graceland University. We'll talk about RLDS views of apostasy as well as the breakup of the RLDS Church following the 1984 revelation on women & priesthood. We'll also discuss Jeff Lundgren, a man who committed mass murder in Kirtland, Ohio based on the story […]

Bill Russell is one of my favorite Community of Christ historians. He taught at Graceland University, and told Bruce Jenner to train hard for the 1600 meters in the Olympic Decathlon. We'll learn about RLDS history, and his unorthodox beliefs. Check out our conversation… 00-1100 Coaching Bruce Jenner 1100-2440 Early RLDS History-Lineal Succession 2440-3929 Succession […]

Part 5 of our series where we ask honest questions about the restoration history.   This week we discuss the Book of Abraham.  The LDS hold it as scripture, the RLDS had mixed opinions but never fully adopted it as scripture and today it is not used.  Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon  from plates that were revealed to him by an angel.  Shortly after completing the translation he organized a church.  Revelations from God were given through him and recorded and published in various forms and versions.  He wrote The Book of Abraham, built Temples, brought forth the modern concept of Zion, a holy city, to be established in Independence, MO, produced a new version of the King James Version of the Bible with additions and corrections, as inspired by God, among other things.   It is a  colorful history tied to polygamy, murder, division, prophecy, and a restored authoritative priesthood.   We will look at some things that are not talked about openly, question honestly, and discuss what happened in the last 200 years with this young movement.   Video link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQYm8d6YwOQScripture Search and Study http://www.restoredgospel.comThe Bible Project http://bibleproject.comContact us with comments or questions at:http://restoredgospelpodcast@gmail.comOr call us and leave a voice message at our podcast line816-379-6454

Project Zion is partnering with Community of Christ Historic Sites Foundation to bring you interviews with the presenters of the Spring 2022 Lecture Series. Today, we are joined by Eric Paul Rogers who shares about his presentation, "Mark Hill Forscutt: Mormon Missionary, Morrisite Apostle, and RLDS Minister".You can find the original presentation here: https://youtu.be/5Mwix3Ow3u0 Host: Karin PeterGuest: Eric Paul Rogers

The Community of Christ, formerly known as the “Reorganized” Church or “RLDS,” is a global restoration faith which traces its origins to the life and ministry of Joseph Smith.  In this episode, Dr. Keith Wilson of BYU Religious Education provides a fascinating historical and doctrinal journey of two different restoration faiths that share the same roots by comparing each church's respective views of Joseph Smith's First Vision throughout the years. 

Wow Bloodbathers! We have a double doozy for ya. Ash tells the wretched case of Tyler Hadley and his spoiled brat ass. Who throws a party under these conditions? Psychopaths do. Jamie gives us a deep dive into the RLDS cult started by Jeffrey Lundgren. It's a cult!Promo: Three's a crime https://linktr.ee/threesacrimeNEW EPISODES EVERY FRIDAY!BUT WAIT... THERE'S MORE!Use code “BLOODBATH” for 10% off your order at Wicked Clothes https://www.wickedclothes.com/Subscribe to Vurbl and start streaming our playlists and episodes! Don't forget to Subscribe! https://vurbl.com/station/bloodbath-22JVtRUI4d3/If you are enjoying the show please FOLLOW ON SPOTIFY!Do you have a true crime story? Something paranormal? Aliens? A good good you'd like to share?! Write to us at bbtcpod@gmail.comTitle it “Bath Bomb” and then whatever you would like Let us know your pronouns Let us know if your name is ok to say End the Bath Bomb with a good address if you would like a free Holographic Sticker, when your story is read we will send you one!Connect with us: https://www.instagram.com/bloodbathpodcast/Become a Patreon https://www.patreon.com/bbtcpodcastLogo designer: Emily Jameshttps://www.instagram.com/emilyjamesarts/?hl=enMusic produced by Nancy Ruiz, https://www.instagram.com/nancyyohh/For business inquiries, Nancy's email is N.ruiz3@lafilm.edu

On the latest episode of Mormon Book Reviews, John Hamer returns to discuss the 1844-1860 period of Church history. This was a very tumultous time in which many there were many claimants to succeed Joseph Smith. We discuss James Strang, William Bickerton and Joseph Smith III among others. The Mormon Reformation is discussed as well as the beginning of the formation of what would become the RLDS. I want to thank John for coming on and I look forward to having him come back on to tell us about the history of the RLDS/Community of Christ. Stay Tuned!PatreonBrigham Young American MosesJoseph Smith III Pragmatic ProphetWilliam Bickerton Forgotten Latter Day Prophet

On the latest episode of Mormon Book Reviews Steven Pynakker welcomes on Roger Launius who wrote the very important and definitive biography "Joseph Smith III: Pragmatic Prophet". Dr Launius, member of the Community of Christ, wrote his dissertation on Joseph Smith III and it was later published by University of Illinois Press. The book won the prestigious Evans Award for biography. This was a fascinating conversation and we cover topics like the early days of the formation of the RLDS , Emma Smith's denial of polygamy practiced by Joseph Smith, David Hyrum's mental breakdown, Race and the Priesthood, and the legacy Joseph left. We then change it up a bit and discuss his time as the chief historian of NASA where he took on Roswell and Fake Moon landing conspiracy theories. The conversation then turns to baseball and the biography he wrote "Charlie Finley: The Outrageous Story of Baseball's Super Showman". Did you know Finley was instrumental in the American League adopting the designated hitter rule? And that he tried to create the position of the designated runner and introduce orange baseballs to the game? I want to thank Roger for coming on and I look forward to having future conversations with him.Joseph Smith III: Pragmatic ProphetCharlie Finley bio

The Historic Sites Foundation is back with a Spring Lecture Series in 2022! This series kicks off on April 14th and Project Zion is bringing you interviews with the presenters. Today, we are joined by Dr. William Moore who shares about the preaching charts used by RLDS missionaries. You can attend Dr. Moore's May 26 presentation, "Pleasing to look upon, and easy to understand": RLDS Preaching Charts, their History, and Usage by registering at this link. Find a video of this podcast here: https://youtu.be/MHLMBAgHNngHost: Karin PeterGuest: William Moore

Vi ägnar ett helt avsnitt åt den oro, ångest och känsla av hjälplöshet som drabbat oss sedan 24 februari 2022. Det är ett samtal som innehåller handfasta råd, en del ilska, hopp och några skratt. Ja, får man skratta åt eländet? Vad säger vi till barnen? Och hur välinformerad behöver man egentligen vara? --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/relationsskepp1/message

The RLDS Church has historically claimed Joseph Smith never practiced polygamy.  We'll talk about Joseph Smith, III's views on the topic, as well as modern-day beliefs.  Mark:  So, the argument they have, there's a book that was written in 1900 that's the most comprehensive book on the RLDS part of a narrative. It's written by […] The post RLDS positions on Joseph's Polygamy (Part 2 of 10) appeared first on Gospel Tangents.

Wow Bloodbathers! We have a double doozy for ya. Ash tells the wretched case of Tyler Hadley and his spoiled brat ass. Who throws a party under these conditions? Psychopaths do. Jamie gives us a deep dive into the RLDS cult started by Jeffrey Lundgren. It's a cult! Promo: Three's a crime https://linktr.ee/threesacrime NEW EPISODES EVERY FRIDAY! BUT WAIT... THERE'S MORE! Use code “BLOODBATH” for 10% off your order at Wicked Clothes https://www.wickedclothes.com/ Subscribe to Vurbl and start streaming our playlists and episodes! Don't forget to Subscribe! https://vurbl.com/station/bloodbath-22JVtRUI4d3/ If you are enjoying the show please FOLLOW ON SPOTIFY! Do you have a true crime story? Something paranormal? Aliens? A good good you'd like to share?! Write to us at bbtcpod@gmail.com Title it “Bath Bomb” and then whatever you would like Let us know your pronouns Let us know if your name is ok to say End the Bath Bomb with a good address if you would like a free Holographic Sticker, when your story is read we will send you one! Connect with us: https://www.instagram.com/bloodbathpodcast/ Become a Patreon https://www.patreon.com/bbtcpodcast Logo designer: Emily James https://www.instagram.com/emilyjamesarts/?hl=en Music produced by Nancy Ruiz, https://www.instagram.com/nancyyohh/ For business inquiries, Nancy's email is N.ruiz3@lafilm.edu

Evangelical Steven Pynakker interviews John Hamer, a minister in the Community of Christ (formerly know as the RLDS). In this special episode John talks about growing up LDS, questioning his faith in Highschool, and his time spent as a student at BYU. For a period of time John pretty much left his faith, and then returned to the Restoration via Fawn Brody! A pretty in depth dive into John's theology is also explored. What does a metaphorical approach to Scripture look like? Is a more nuanced view of Church history a better approach in a post-modern world? These and many other topics are addressed in this fascinating episode.A link to Toronto Centre Place: https://www.centreplace.ca/

Jonestown, the Manson family, Branch Davidians, Heavens Gate, Aum Shinrikyo, NXIVM. You've heard their names, you've heard their stories. Cults have taken on a huge presence in pop culture which is largely due to a charismatic and an other-worldly leader…Jim Jones, Charles Manson, David Karesh and so on. Bailey and Lilly are diving into a little known cult, The Kirtland Temple Cult and their leader, Jeffery Lundgren. The Kirtland Temple Cult started as a RLDS bible study group that would share a delusion regarding the end of the world. The cult would eventually turn violent when they needed a “blood sacrifice” to ascend to heaven. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

In our final conversation with historian Mel Johnson, we will discuss early Mormon pioneer John Pierce Hawley's conversion to the RLDS Church.  Find out how shocked his congregation was when he announced it to them! https://youtu.be/6TUUKWDnpcU Mel:  In early 1870, John has come to the conclusion that he wants to join with the RLDS Church. John Larson, a RLDS missionary, over near Mountain Meadows/Hamblin area, reads in the Herald, the RLDS newspaper out of Illinois, that (1) John Pierce Hawley has written a letter to Joseph Smith, III, saying that “I rejoice in the doctrines of Joseph Smith, Jr, as did my father, and I wish to join with the RLDS Church.” Larson reads that, and he's a former LDS elder out of New Harmony on the other side of Pine Valley Mountain out near Fort Hamilton on the road to Cedar City. He reads this, and he comes galloping over to Pine Valley and Grass Valley, and John writes, "I was convinced that he was as crazy as people thought he was, but I became convinced also that he had the authority to baptize." So, he baptized John and his family, George and his family, and then John, as first counselor... GT:  Is this his fourth baptism now? Mel:  There will be a total of seven. GT:  Seven, oh my gosh. Mel:  He stands up in Pine Valley Ward, as the first counselor and preaches his farewell sermon to a very startled audience. Only one historian of Pine Valley will write about John, one of William Snow's, granddaughters, I believe, says, "And John Hawley, the first counselor apostatized."  That's the full story.  Yet they were among the first settlers, Presiding Elder, held the second anointing and the second endowment, quite a guy.  Erastus Snow heard.  He comes galloping up from St. George, won't let John talk because he's too vile of an apostate.  He lectures the two Hawley brothers for three hours. Then he asked George if he has anything. George says no. Then Erastus Snow rides away.  John and George bundle everything up, and they travel up to Salt Lake to catch the train to western Iowa. Check out our conversation…. After Mormon pioneer John P. Hawley rejected polygamy, he rejected the LDS Church and joined the RLDS Church.

We're continuing our conversation with Mel Johnson and we'll finish out the Wightites settlement in Texas.  What happened to them? https://youtu.be/ix4oFxboQQ8 Mel  49:24  After 1853 they take about a year to get down to their final colony place, down in Bandera, Texas, in Bandera County. It is West of San Antonio about 55 miles. Bandera is a typical Texas western town and county. The Frontier Times Museum is located there. I am the staff historian for the Frontier Times Museum. They have a good Mormon exhibit there and there they were for four years. That is where the colony finally dissolved, and more than half of the Wightites stayed in Bandera and their descendants are there today. Mel  50:21  They became cattlemen, they became storekeepers, they became farmers. They owned lots and built houses in Bandera. Some are still there. An 1865 RLDS revival mission came to Bandera, Texas after the Civil War, and all of the Banderites supported the Confederacy, so did the Mormons, they were very militant, very anti-union. GT  50:54  Because of states' rights because the Mormons wanted to practice polygamy and they thought that was the... Mel  50:59  And the government, the federal government had not protected them in Missouri or Illinois. GT  51:04  Right. Mel  51:06  And 40 of them were baptized into the RLDS church, and they had an active chapel there in Bandera for 120 years. For any of you watching and listening, I'm going to put in a plug for 2021 John Whitmer Historical Conference is going to be held in Fredericksburg, Texas. I am trying to get the leadership to organize tours down to Bandera and up to Burnet County into the cemetery. GT  51:42  What's the nearest airport to Fredericksburg? Mel  51:44  San Antonio. So there you have it!  Are you going to check out the JWHA meetings?  Check out our conversation…. Many of the Wightites joined the Reorganization. Don't miss our other episodes with Mel! Melvin Johnson on Life of John Pierce Hawley 277: More on the Zodiak Temple in Texas 276: Lyman Wight & Mormon Colonies in Texas 275: Intro to Hawley

Historian Steve Shields tells us that Sidney's unsung role in the early Church was larger than LDS or RLDS historians have acknowledged.  When Sidney joined with Joseph, Sidney's followers overwhelmed the small group of Smith followers.  Should it be called the Smith-Ridgon movement? https://youtu.be/EkueRv8mo90 Steve:      But, eventually, the Rigdon followers outnumber the Smith followers five or six to one. And so, I argue it really ought to be called the Smith-Rigdon Movement rather than the Latter-day Saint movement. Because in the beginning the word "Latter-day Saint" wasn't even there, and it was Rigdon who came up with that. GT:  Oh, it was? Steve: Oh yeah. GT:  Oh really? Steve: [In] 1834 Rigdon announces that the church will now be called the Church of the Latter-day Saints. GT:  I knew that they changed the name, but I didn't know Rigdon was behind it. Steve: Oh yeah. Who else were highly influenced by Rigdon?  Do you think Sidney's role has been downplayed in the modern LDS and RLDS Churches?  Check out our conversation…. Don't forget to check out our other conversations with Steve! 225: Steve's Shields Own Divergent Path 224: Who Owns the Temple Lot?

Steven Shields has been studying various Mormon schismatic groups since he was in Seminary in the 1970s.  We'll get acquainted with him in this first episode, and learn more about his background, and why he got so interested in our Mormon cousins.  What does he know about the temple lot?  There are several sections in the Doctrine & Covenants where Joseph Smith received revelations on a temple in Missouri.  That temple was never built.  Who owns the original temple lot on Independence, Missouri?  It turns out some of our Mormon cousins own it. https://youtu.be/_k1zRJiB_V4 Steve: The Hedrickites is a name that people use. I don't like to use -ites or schism or break off or offshoot or splinter. I've tried to avoid all of that language in my new addition because I don't think it's helpful. All that stuff started out as pejorative, and in some ways it's still used as a pejorative. And so I thought, let's try and get away from that, you know? We don't say Pope-ites or Luther-ites or those kinds of things. So maybe we can get out of that mode in the Latter Day saint movement, I don't know. GT: There's too many -ites in the Book of Mormon. Steve:  That's where it all probably comes from. I guess. I'll let you keep Israelites. But yeah, to be honest, my paper on the earliest church was an anti-RLDS apologetic and my seminary teachers loved it. We'll talk more about how Steve go interested in our Mormon cousins.  Find out our next conversation…. This is the Temple Lot Church, owned by the Hedrickites. If you're interested in other groups, here's an interview with Jim Vun Cannon, Counselor in the Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 067: What are Remnant Church Views on Temple Worship? (Vun Cannon) 066: Women Will Not Hold Priesthood! (Vun Cannon) 065: Joseph was a Monogamist! (Vun Cannon) 064: What's the Order of Enoch?  Consecration in Modern World(Vun Cannon) 063: Jim Tackles DNA & Book of Mormon (Vun Cannon) 062: 18 Revelations to Gather to Missouri!  Remnant Church Scriptures (Vun Cannon) 061: What's the RLDS Perspective on Succession Crisis? (Vun Cannon) 060: From Convert to First Presidency in 5 years!  (Vun Cannon) 059: Found!  A Literal Descendant of Aaron! (Vun Cannon)

Join Lindsay as she interviews three prominent members from Community of Christ (formerly RLDS) about their history, church, and beliefs.   Links mentioned in this podcast: Robin Linkhart, Why I Stay Joseph Smith III biography Community of Christ Enduring Principles […]

[paypal-donation] In our next conversation, we'll talk about differences in temple worship between the LDS Church and the RLDS Church.  (Note:  The Community of Christ has been historically known as the RLDS Church.)  Community of Christ Apostle, Lachlan MacKay and John Hamer (a Seventy) discuss the differences in temple worship between the two churches, and how the temple has evolved. Lachlan:  Sure.  So Kirtland in the 1830s, it's a house for public worship with a strong emphasis on empowerment, both spiritually and intellectually.  Two-thirds of Kirtland Temple was classroom space.  You would worship in the temple on Sundays, and you would go to school six days a week.  Kirtland High School met on the third floor.  Students ranged in age from six through adults, so it was the center of their community life. My sense is that in Nauvoo the same was going to be true, but you did start to have to have, I believe, a receipt saying you were a tithe payer in order to gain access to the baptismal font, and they didn't welcome non-members in the temple in Nauvoo while they were performing ordinances, but it was still a public building.  That receipt, I think, is what many generations later would become the idea of a temple recommend. ... John:  This idea for the LDS tradition of having what constitutes temple work and everything like that, almost all of this is extremely different than what existed in Kirtland.  There's no font, like you say, in the Kirtland Temple.  That's something that begins in Nauvoo.  The same thing, the Endowment ceremony, and things like that is taking place after Joseph Smith had been exposed to Freemasonry and things like that so that also isn't taking place, the whole liturgy and things like that in Kirtland. I have a chart.  I'll give it to you so you can splice it in if you want for the videos, but essentially where you take the spaces that exist, you've taken Kirtland, like what Lach is telling you about, the spaces of worship, the space for learning, the space for order, the church offices and things like that, you can see where they have that same major portion of the space is devoted to that in Nauvoo, but then there's also the space for the baptism of the dead in the basement and there's a space for endowments in the attic. Then you go to Salt Lake, all of that is preserved so there's a big solemn assembly hall and things like that in the Salt Lake Temple.  There are the offices for the apostles and things like that, but then when you get to the little temples that are in the LDS tradition, which might be what most Mormons in the Utah tradition are exposed to, they don't have any of those things that are from the Kirtland period.  All they have is the basement and attic part of the Nauvoo Temple and that's their whole experience.  So they go and that's their temple experience.  They go to Kirtland and say, “What did these Reorganites do to the temple?  It's not even—it's so alien.”  That's what Kirtland is!  But anyway, we're each honoring different parts of the heritage. We'll also talk about baptism for the dead as well as vision of Elijah in 1836 in the Kirtland Temple.  It's going to be a very interesting conversation.  I hope you check it out (as well as part 1 of our conversation)! https://youtu.be/rLfMRzvEUUk [paypal-donation]

[paypal-donation] In the LDS Church we believe in an orderly succession from Joseph Smith to Brigham Young.  In the Reorganized Church of course they don't accept Brigham as the prophet and instead accept Joseph Smith III.  What is the view of RLDS Succession Crisis? In this conversation with Jim Vun Cannon, a counselor in the First Presidency of the Remnant Church, we'll learn that 16 years after Joseph Smith was killed, the Reorganized Church was established. GT:  One of the things I want to talk a little bit about is the Succession Crisis.  As you know Joseph Smith, for those of my listeners who aren't super familiar with church history, Joseph Smith was killed in 1844 in the Carthage Jail.  As I understand it, and correct me if I'm wrong, I believe it was another 15 or so years before—Joseph Smith III was just a young boy.  He was probably about 14 or so? Jim:  Yeah, that's correct.  He was a young boy. GT:  So it took about 15 years or so before Joseph Smith III felt called of God and then the Reorganized Church started in 1860.  I believe it was April 6, 1860? Jim:  Actually that's an interesting point.  It actually started in 1852. GT:  Oh! Jim:  We actually had met together, a number of people during the Succession Crisis had come together.  They organized at the apostle level, so the Second Presidency level if you will.  They had the church until the prophet came forth, and so when young Joseph came, he felt compelled to come.  That's part of what he said, “I come by a power not of my own,” and he came to the church.  It was in April 6, 1860 and so forth.  Most people do look at that as the beginning, but honestly it was 1852, October of 1852 where they held the first general conference of the church at that point. Similarly, following the 1984 revelation where women got the priesthood on the RLDS Church, 16 years later the Remnant Church was begun.  We'll talk about similarities and differences between these two reorganizations, as well as talk about some priesthood differences between the LDS Church and the Remnant Church. Jim:  We have quorums of seventy that are underneath the Twelve, so seven quorums of Seventy is what we have.  Now we don't have seven quorums of Seventy, we only have one quorum. GT:  We only had that for a long time but now we've got six or seven I think.  Yeah seven is the maximum.  We've got that.  I don't believe all of our seven quorums have 70 in them.  They're half that I believe. Jim:  And if I understand correctly, your seventies are based on high priest, or are they based on elder? GT:  They are based on High Priest. Jim:  Ours are based on elder. GT:  Oh really? Jim:  Yes if you're based on an elder in the Melchizedek Priesthood, well obviously because your priesthood is an elder, you're set apart to be a seventy from the office of elder, not the office of high priest. GT:  Oh interesting.  I know it does seem very hierarchal in our church, and I don't believe that's the case in the Community of Christ and I'm not sure in your church as well.  Do you have adult members that are either Aaronic Priesthood or Melchizedek Priesthood holders?  Is that pretty typical? Jim:  Yes that is pretty typical.  We don't look at it as a progression.  We look at it as a calling.  It may be for instance you have a calling as a deacon all your life.  It doesn't mean you didn't magnify your call, it just means that that was what the Lord called you to do.  We have literally men who are 80-90 years old who are deacons, and also vice-versa.  We might have very young men who are elders or high priests, so there's no progression.  The way we look at it is wisdom and revelation is what's in our scriptures for that. Check out our conversation....  (Don't forget to check out part 1 and part 2!) [paypal-donation] https://youtu.be/hivi5IAdc-c  

The Temple Lot Case is one of the most important sources for polygamy documents.  The RLDS Church wanted ownership of the temple lot in Independence, Missouri but another group, sometimes known as the Temple Lot Church owned the property.  The LDS Church assisted assisted the Temple Lot Church and had women testify about their polygamist relationships with Joseph Smith in order to counteract the RLDS claims that they were the true successors to Joseph Smith.  Dr. Brian Hales describes this important court testimony.  This is a continuation of our previous conversation about young bride Helen Mar Kimball, as Brian discusses her relation to the Temple Lot case. If we didn't have the RLDS Church saying Joseph wasn't a polygamist, we wouldn't have the 1869 affidavits, we wouldn't have the 1877 collection by Andrew Jensen, and we wouldn't have the additional information from the Temple Lot Case.  Together those three are 75% of what we know, and it's scary for researchers on polygamy to think about what we would know about Nauvoo polygamy if the RLDS Church had not taken the stance that they did.  It's really scary.  You'd have John C. Bennett.  You'd have William Law, and you would not know even a fraction of what we think we know about it today. Check out our conversation… Don't forget to check out our previous episodes on Fanny Alger, as well as parts 1–7 of our conversations with Brian. https://youtu.be/IDP7Ybvk1cw   Our New Contest! Don't forget to sign up for a contest to win a free book!  You can sign up here!  It is the Parallel Doctrine & Covenants that contains the 1832, 1833, and 1835 Doctrine & Covenants side by side so you can see the changes.  When it was originally published, it was about $50, but the book is now out of print.  Curt Bench was actually the one who wrote the introduction to this book.  It's a fairly recent book, but if you find it on Amazon now, check this out.  It's $175.  On Abebooks it's even higher–$260!  This book is a valuable book and has become a collector's item, especially for historians or those seriously interested in Mormon history. Here's what you need to do for a chance to win.  Just go to https://gospeltangents.com/newsletter .  In there, enter your email address and your name, and we will simply put you in a contest for a drawing on Pioneer Day, July 24th, 2017. https://gospeltangents.com/shop/transcripts/polygamy-temple-lot-case/  

Join Lindsay as she interviews historian John Hamer about the “Joseph Fought Polygamy” claims and old RLDS polemics. This is part one in a four-part series of “Polygamy Controversies” that will air throughout the rest of the series. Links and […]