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Hanging with Our Ancestors: Luke Fannin on Climbing, Evolution & Ape LocomotionEver wondered why kids instinctively love monkey bars? Or why apes move so deliberately in the trees? In this episode of Talking Apes, biological anthropologist Luke Fannin takes us on a journey through the evolution of climbing, exploring how primates, from ancient hominins to modern chimps, have adapted to life in the canopy.Luke breaks down the surprising biomechanics of climbing up vs. climbing down, revealing why descending may have played a bigger role in human evolution than we ever imagined. We'll also uncover how playgrounds, rock climbers, and even early tool-making tie into our primate past. It's a fascinating deep dive into movement, survival, and the hidden connections between our everyday actions and our evolutionary history.Explore Luke's publications on his Google Scholar profile.Read Luke's article: The Surprisingly Scientific Roots of Monkey BarsSend us a textSupport the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes BUY OUR MERCH

                                The Amazing People Behind Jane Goodall What does it take to lead one of the most iconic conservation organizations in the world? In this episode of Talking Apes, we sit down with Anna Rathmann, Executive Director of the Jane Goodall Institute USA, to find out. With a background spanning international conservation, business, and storytelling, Anna brings a refreshing perspective on what it means to carry forward Jane Goodall's legacy—and build on it for the future.From her work with National Geographic to directing the Great Plains Conservation Foundation, Anna's career has been all about connecting people to the planet. In our conversation, she shares how JGI is adapting to meet the challenges of modern conservation, and why listening—to science, to communities, and to each other—is more vital than ever. You'll also hear Anna reflect on what drew her into this work in the first place, and what continues to keep her inspired, even in the face of tough environmental realities.Whether you're curious about conservation leadership, passionate about protecting biodiversity, or simply want to hear thoughtful reflections from someone working at the intersection of hope and action, this one's for you. Learn more about the Jane Goodall Institute: janegoodall.org Follow JGI USA on Instagram: @janegoodallinstAbout the JGI:The Jane Goodall Institute's worldwide recognition is undeniable. What started with chimpanzee research has become a international nonprofit with global impact. Through programs like Roots & Shoots it has inspired multiple generations to see the future with hope and a call to action. Joining Talking Apes to share it all is the Jane Goodall Institue's (JGI) Executive Director Anna Rathmann. Jane Goodall for more than 60 years has been spreading a message of conservation hope, inspiring action by generations of youth and the young at heart. Anna Rathmann embodies that same energy and drive, guiding the JGI in the USA as well as through the work of the 26 affiliates in countries around the world.More with Anna Rathmann at JGIMore about the work of Jane Goodal InstitueSend us a textSupport the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes BUY OUR MERCH

Earth Month Special: A Deep Dive into Global Conservation with Sean Southey “This is our global education moment. This is the time to champion. This is the time to be noisy. This is the time to dream.”What if we told you there's a conservation powerhouse that's been quietly shaping environmental policies, protecting endangered species, and inspiring global action for over 75 years—but most people have never heard of it? In this Earth Month special of Talking Apes,  Gerry sits down with Sean Southey, CEO of the Canadian Wildlife Federation and a lifelong champion for nature, to uncover the incredible story of the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN).From the IUCN Red List (the world's go-to guide on endangered species) to its role in shaping major environmental policies, Sean reveals how this under-the-radar organization has influenced everything from wildlife trade regulations (CITES) to nature-based education initiatives. But conservation isn't just about policies—it's about people. Sean shares powerful stories of how simple, community-driven efforts can transform conservation, from opening up wildlife experiences to local children in Kenya to bringing nature into classrooms worldwide.Whether you're a wildlife enthusiast, an aspiring conservationist, or just curious about how global environmental decisions are made, this episode is packed with eye-opening insights, inspiring stories, and a call to action. Tune in to learn how YOU can be part of the movement to protect our planet. Learn more about IUCNGet involved in the IUCN's work Explore the Canadian Wildlife FederationSean is Chair of the International Union for the Conservation of Nature (IUCN) Commission on Education and Communication (CEC). In this role, he has worked tirelessly to enhance IUCN's use of strategic communications for social change. This has included a lead role in designing and implementing IUCN's #NatureForAll campaign.Send us a textSupport the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes BUY OUR MERCH

In this episode of Talking Apes, we're joined by Dr. Andie Ang, a primatologist dedicated to the conservation of Southeast Asia's elusive and endangered colobine monkeys. From the dense forests of Vietnam to the urban green spaces of Singapore, Andie has spent years studying these fascinating leaf-eating primates, whose complex digestive systems, striking colors, and secretive nature make them some of the least understood monkeys in the world.Andie shares her journey from a childhood experience as an accidental primate owner to leading international conservation efforts. She explains why colobine monkeys are so challenging to protect, how species action plans help coordinate efforts across countries and cultures, and the surprising ways ex-poachers and local communities play a role in saving these primates.Tune in to hear about the urgent work being done to protect these monkeys before it's too late. 

Bipedalism - How Walking Made Us Human with Jeremy DeSilva“The history of our lineage is filled with multiple species coexisting—this moment, with only one upright walking ape on the planet, is exceptionally rare.”Why do humans walk on two legs when no other mammal does? And what did it cost us? From back pain to difficult childbirth, our bipedal evolution has its drawbacks—but it also shaped everything about who we are today.In this episode of Talking Apes, we sit down with Jeremy DeSilva, a leading paleoanthropologist whose research has transformed our understanding of early human locomotion. Jeremy takes us on a journey through millions of years of evolution, from the discovery of Lucy, the famous 3.2-million-year-old hominin, to fossilized footprints that reveal a world where multiple human-like species walked side by side.With infectious enthusiasm and a deep passion for science education, Jeremy unpacks the mysteries of how and why we took our very first steps—and why it matters today.Dive into Jeremy's book, First Steps: How Walking Upright Made Us HumanCheck out Jeremy's blogSend us a textSupport the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes BUY OUR MERCH

In this episode of Talking Apes, we sit down with Mary Ford, Senior Director of Roots & Shoots USA, the Jane Goodall Institute's global youth program. Mary shares the inspiring origins of Roots & Shoots—how a conversation on Jane Goodall's porch in Tanzania sparked a movement that now empowers young change makers in over 70 countries.We explore how conservation is evolving beyond protecting forests and wildlife—embracing a more holistic, community-driven approach. Mary discusses the power of mentorship, the ripple effects of grassroots action, and why Jane prefers the phrase “think locally, act locally” over the traditional “think globally” mantra. She also dives into the “compassionate traits” Roots & Shoots fosters in young leaders, equipping them to tackle environmental and social justice challenges with resilience and hope.Tune in to discover how small actions can create a global impact—and how young people everywhere are proving that deep roots and strong shoots can break down any wall.

Why are chimpanzees in Uganda scooping up bat guano and eating it? This strange behavior, captured on trail cameras and observed over 800 times in a single year, is the fascinating centerpiece of our latest episode with disease ecologist Dr. Tony Goldberg. Tony explains how this bizarre dietary shift is linked to mineral deficiencies in the chimps' diet, caused by the loss of raffia palm trees due to human activity. What started as a simple agricultural practice has cascaded into a complex ecological ripple effect.But the story doesn't end with nutrition. The bat guano, rich in minerals, also contains viruses—some closely related to deadly pathogens like SARS-CoV-2 and Ebola. Tony walks us through how this newfound behavior offers a window into the early stages of potential pandemics, with implications for both chimpanzee conservation and global health. His research shines a light on the interconnectedness of human actions, animal behavior, and disease emergence.Join us for a captivating conversation filled with groundbreaking discoveries and urgent lessons for conservation. This episode is a must-listen for anyone curious about the unexpected ways our actions impact the natural world.Tony's lab websiteTony's scientific papers: Pediatric Respiratory Pathogens Circulate in Children and Adults in Communities Near Susceptible Wild Great Ape Populations in UgandaCommon cold viruses circulating in children threaten wild chimpanzees through asymptomatic adult carriersRead more on these subjects:Chimps are dying of the common cold. Is great ape tourism to blame?How Ugandan Tobacco Farming Inadvertently Threatens Spread of Bat-Borne VirusesPhoto of Tony in cover picture: Jessica RothmanSend us a textSupport the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes BUY OUR MERCH

This week on Talking Apes, we're entering the personal world of gorillas and a remarkable woman who has dedicated her life to their stories: Beth Armstrong. As a former gorilla keeper at the Columbus Zoo, Beth's career spans from revolutionizing gorilla care in zoos to advocating for conservation in the wild. She brings decades of experience, wisdom, and unapologetic passion for these gentle giants.Beth's stories from the field are as vivid as they are moving. She describes the transformation of gorilla enclosures from barren cages to enriched spaces that reflect the dignity these animals deserve, built on the simple principle of listening to what the gorillas were telling her. Her work didn't stop at the zoo gates—Beth's commitment to field conservation and questioning the role zoos play in the bigger picture of species survival has reshaped how we view these institutions today.In this episode, Beth also shares poignant reflections on humanity's connection to gorillas, the injustices they've faced, and how each of us can play a part in their story. From heartwarming tales of gorilla mothers to the challenges of fostering community-driven conservation, Beth's insights remind us that conservation is, at its core, about relationships—between people, animals, and ecosystems.‘Conservation is nothing but personal—it's about relationships and community.'Tune in to hear Beth's unforgettable journey, her advice for anyone passionate about making a difference, and why telling these stories matters more than ever. You won't want to miss this one! Beth is the author of the 2020 memoir Voices from the Ape HouseSend us a textSupport the showSend us a textSupport the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes BUY OUR MERCH

Growing Up Chimp: Lessons on Life, Leadership, and the Mystery of PubertyWhat does it really mean to grow up? For chimpanzees, our closest living relatives, the journey from infancy to adulthood is as complex, awkward, and revealing as our own. In the latest episode of Talking Apes, primatologist Dr. Kris Sabbi takes us deep into the lives of juvenile chimps, exploring the web of social behaviors, hormonal development, and environmental factors that shape who they become.Dr. Sabbi's groundbreaking work tracks chimps from playful juveniles to wise adults, uncovering insights about everything from leadership styles to the mysteries of puberty. What happens when a new alpha male transitions from fierce competitor to gentle caretaker? How do social interactions and play behaviors shape a chimp's future? The answers offer fresh perspectives on the pivotal moments that connect us to our primate cousins.Through entertaining anecdotes—like the art of collecting chimp urine—and fascinating discoveries about hormonal milestones, this episode unveils the parallels between growing up chimp and growing up human. How does exposure to aggression affect early play behaviors? Can chimpanzees follow our gaze, and what does it mean for their social intelligence?Tune in now to learn all about growing up as a chimpanzee!Send us a textSupport the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes BUY OUR MERCH

In a groundbreaking discovery, scientists have observed a male orangutan, Rakus, using plants as medicine—a first-ever recording of a wild animal self-medicating for wound care. This unique behavior was spotted in the jungle, where Rakus chewed the stem and leaves of a plant known for its anti-inflammatory properties and applied it to his injured cheek. The wound, likely caused by a territorial fight, healed within a month.What makes this finding extraordinary is its implications for both orangutans and humans. Dr Isabelle Laumer, the lead researcher and guest on our latest Talking Apes episode, highlights how Rakus' actions could offer insights into the evolutionary roots of self-medication in primates, possibly tracing back to a common ancestor. Her research opens up questions about how much orangutans—and perhaps other great apes—might already know about medicinal plants in their environment.Join us for this special Orangutan Caring Week episode to explore how this discovery reshapes our understanding of primate intelligence, behavior, and our shared evolutionary past. Don't miss this look into the wild world of orangutan healing techniques.Tune in to uncover the full story and the fascinating questions it raises!Send us a textSupport the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes BUY OUR MERCH

Generations at Gombe: Elizabeth Lonsdorf on Chimpanzee Mothers, Babies, and the Power of Long-Term StudyIn this episode of Talking Apes we're joined by Elizabeth Lonsdorf whose decades spanning career has been rooted at Gombe, the iconic chimpanzee research site founded by Dr. Jane Goodall. What started as a project to study tool-use in wild chimps has evolved into a lifetime of discovery. Elizabeth, now co-director of the Gombe Mother-Infant Project, explores the most intimate relationships in chimpanzee society: mothers and their babies.How does a chimpanzee's early life adversity—such as losing its mother—affect its behavior as an adult? How do maternal behaviors pass through generations, and what can this teach us about the evolution of childhood in both chimpanzees and humans? Elizabeth shares how her team tracks these remarkable apes from nest to nest, gathering fecal samples (yes, chimp poop is gold!) and data on everything from social bonds to stress hormones.Elizabeth discusses how chimps are not just “chimps.” Every community has its own culture, behaviors, and unique challenges. Tune in to find out how the Gombe research team is now following the fifth generation of chimps and why there are still so many mysteries left to uncover in the lives of our closest animal relatives.You won't want to miss this deep dive into the generational stories of Gombe chimps.Click here to visit Elizabeth's websiteSend us a textSupport the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes BUY OUR MERCH

Amidst the harsh terrain and frequent fires of Senegal's savanna landscape lives a community of remarkable chimps. What makes them different from their forest-dwelling kin? And what can they reveal about human evolution?  Join us on World Chimpanzee Day for a journey into the heart of the savanna to explore the world of chimps with Dr Jill Pruetz. Following her pioneering research in Senegal's savanna habitat, Jill reveals her incredible discoveries about the behavior of our closest relatives, offering insights into the lives of our early hominin ancestors. 'I hadn't anticipated fire as a part of their environment, and it's a major part of their environment.'At Fongoli, Jill has encountered a fascinating array of behaviors that defy conventional wisdom about chimpanzees. From navigating wildfires and soaking in water for thermoregulation, to the systematic use of tools for hunting bush babies, the savanna chimps exhibit behaviors unlike any seen before.‘There were chimps hanging out in this cave!'One of the most striking discoveries was the remarkable imbalance between male and female hunting capabilities. Contrary to the norm observed in other chimp populations, females at Fongoli were the primary hunters, wielding tools with precision to secure prey. This unique cultural phenomenon challenges traditional views of chimp behavior and demonstrates the complexity of social dynamics across different chimpanzee communities.Tune in to learn more now, on Talking Apes Podcast. To support The Fingoli Savanna Chimpanzee Project:https://www.globalgiving.org/projects/fongoli-savanna-chimpanzee-project/ Send us a Text Message.Support the Show.Talking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes BUY OUR MERCH

Learn about the secrets of ape society with Dr John MitaniJoin us for the second time on Talking Apes with John Mitani, a renowned primatologist with over three decades of experience studying chimpanzees in the wild. Known for his ground-breaking research and role as the scientific consultant for Netflix's "Chimp Empire," John shares his wealth of knowledge and incredible experiences from the forests of Kibale and beyond.From discovering unusually large chimpanzee groups to observing intricate social dynamics, John's journey is filled with fascinating tales. His work at Ngogo has unveiled the complexities of chimpanzee cooperation, politics, and hunting strategies, revealing behaviors that were once unimaginable.'This was a giant chimpanzee group - well over 100 individuals - much larger than any other chimpanzee community observed previously.' John explains how long-term observations have led to unexpected discoveries about chimpanzees, their life expectancy; and critical conservation issues, including snare removal efforts and the challenges posed by the global illegal trade in wild meat.'Ecotourism is one success story. I'm absolutely convinced there would be no mountain gorillas left without it.' Tune in to explore the secret lives of forest apes, the importance of long-term studies, and the urgent need for innovative conservation strategies. Send us a Text Message.Support the Show.Talking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes BUY OUR MERCH

Playful Teasing in Great Apes with Isabelle Laumer Did you know that great apes engage in playful teasing, much like human children?Join us for another episode of Talking Apes Podcast featuring Isabelle Laumer, a renowned researcher in animal behavior and cognition at Max Planck. Isabelle and her team have conducted groundbreaking research on playful teasing in great apes, revealing fascinating parallels between our closest relatives and human infants.In this episode, we delve into the cognitive abilities of apes, exploring what their playful behaviors tell us about their social dynamics and relationships. Isabelle's research highlights the deep evolutionary roots of humor and play, offering a fresh perspective on the social minds of these incredible animals.Isabelle shares her insights on how young apes interact with adults in their groups through laughter, playful antics, and more.Click HERE to watch video - Playful teasing in apesCredits: Laumer I. B. et al., 2024, Proceedings of the Royal Society BClick HERE to read the full scientific paper by Laumer et al. Send us a Text Message.Support the Show.Talking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes BUY OUR MERCH

Join us for this episode of Talking Apes featuring Jeremy Hance, a distinguished environmental journalist renowned for his unwavering commitment to biodiversity. With a prolific career writing for outlets like Mongabay and the Guardian, Jeremy shares his insights on conservation and the emotional challenges of his work.Jeremy shares his lifelong love for wild things and his identity as a storyteller. He talks about the joy and challenges of covering critical issues like global warming, poaching, and species loss, and the emotional toll these topics take on his mental health.Jeremy also discusses his book, "Baggage: Confessions of a Globe-Trotting Hypochondriac," which candidly explores his battles with anxiety, depression, and OCD while still finding joy in his work.Discover how Jeremy's storytelling connects people to the natural world and inspires action. We also delve into the urgent need for large-scale solutions to environmental problems and the potential for humanity to make rapid, necessary changes."You have these people who devote their lives to a single species on our planet. That to me is so inspiring - that is a really hopeful side of our species." Tune in for a powerful conversation about the intersection of environmental advocacy and personal resilience, and gain insight into the passion and perseverance behind Jeremy's work.Read Jeremy's Mongabay ArticlesRead Jeremy's Guardian Articles Buy Jeremy's Book Send us a Text Message.Support the Show.Talking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes BUY OUR MERCH

Does connecting to a planet require seeing it? And at what cost to the environment,  the wildlife, and people?Join us for an Earth Day special on Talking Apes Podcast as we chat with Ben Bressler, founder of Natural Habitat Adventures, about the transformative power of purposeful travel.'We're passionate about conservation, and we're passionate about travel, so we use travel to affect conservation.'A Conservation Journey:From humble beginnings in the late 1980s, Natural Habitat Adventures has grown into a global leader in environmental travel. Their intimate, curated wildlife adventures offer unforgettable experiences while prioritizing conservation efforts worldwide.Influencing Change:NatHab's impact goes beyond tourism, influencing industry-wide practices and partnering with organizations like World Wildlife Fund US and GLOBIO to shape a future where travel is purposeful and sustainable.Connect & Explore:Discover meaningful adventures with Natural Habitat Adventures and join the conversation on Earth Day as we delve into the transformative power of purposeful travel.Connect with Natural Habitat Adventures:Website: Natural Habitat AdventuresExplore Trips: Our TripsConservation Initiatives: Electric Safari VehicleWatch: Make Travel MeaningfulNatural Habitat Sustainability Report: https://www.nathab.com/conservation/sustainability-report/Social Media:Instagram: @naturalhabitatadventuresTwitter: @NatHabSupport the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes BUY OUR MERCH

Greetings, troop! Welcome back to Talking Apes Season 3. We're kicking off 2024 with a thought-provoking episode featuring Kathayoon Khalil, conservation psychologist and education professional with a rich background spanning zoos, aquariums, museums, and nature centers.This week, our chat explores:The Power of Empathy  – How it shapes our attitudes towards animals and influences our actions. Kathayoon helps us understand how empathy can be a dynamic tool for positive conservation action. Anthropomorphism Pros and Cons - We navigate the tricky terrain of storytelling, discussing the dangers of anthropomorphism and how narratives can drive empathy for some animals while alienating others.Decolonizing Conservation - Emphasizing the importance of diverse cultural voices and economic considerations, Kathayoon advocates for a holistic approach to conservation.Individual Action - Kathayoon asserts that the collective environmental movement can only be driven by individual action - we can all take responsible steps toward reducing our carbon footprints. Explore Further:The AZA's Educational Research and Evaluation InitiativeProject Dragonfly at Miami University of OhioOregon Fish and Wildlife CommissionYour actions matter! Tune in now to learn more about conservation action! Support the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes BUY OUR MERCH

Evolution - Who are we, where did we begin? The evolution of us and apes like us - gorillas, chimps, bonobos, and orangutans - likely began long before any of us resembled the apes of today. For Dr. Sergio Almécija that journey begins in the Miocene some 5-23 million years ago.Dr. Sergio Almécija studies the evolution of humans alongside that of our living closest relatives, the apes. Modern apes and humans constitute a relict of a once highly diversified group. During the Miocene in Africa, Europe, and Asia, there was a greater diversity of apes that did not resemble or move around like any primates alive today. It is from a Miocene ape that both modern chimpanzees and hominins (the human lineage) evolved. Thus, only by studying the evolution of apes and their environment combined with available early hominins will we be able to fully understand human origins.Support the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes Click here to support the show. BUY OUR MERCH

Beyond Biology: Primate Pelage, Racism, and Academic TriumphsColour and pattern of hair and skin play a powerful role in how primates interpret and interact with others and the world.  Primates are the most colourful and pelage-diverse of all mammals. In this episode, we dive into the vibrant world of non-human primate hair and skin colour with passionate Ph.D. student at the University of of Massachusetts Amherst, Thomas Wilson. Thomas explores the still-emerging and complex field of understanding the role, evolution, and functionality of fur colour and patterns among our primate cousins.Why do primates have coloured hair?What's the reason for the vast array of hues seen in primate species? How does hair colouration occur? Why does hair turn grey?The second part of the episode takes a poignant turn as we explore an open letter penned by Thomas, titled 'Sincerely, a Black Primatologist: An open letter to biological anthropologists' highlighting the experiences of a black primatologist.' Thomas bravely shares the challenges he has faced while navigating the historically problematic and racist landscape of biological anthropology and primatology.In the letter, Thomas reflects on the lingering consequences of a field entrenched in a troubling past. As a black, cis-queer student, he grapples with the haunting irony of studying bones that may have originated from slaves or were wrongfully acquired. The conversation takes a raw and honest look at the struggles Thomas faced, including the hurtful label 'a monkey studying monkeys' that a fellow student cast upon him, and the disheartening lack of support from his professors. Thomas sheds light on the stark reality that not many people of colour enter the field of anthropology due to a historical lack of trust and financial barriers. However, he is determined to be part of a transformative generation, actively engaging in online communities and projects that provide support for minority groups in the field.As we listen to Thomas's story, we are challenged to confront the uncomfortable truths within the field of primatology. This episode serves as a powerful reminder of the need for inclusivity, diversity, and change in a discipline that should embrace all voices and experiences.Support the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes Click here to support the show. BUY OUR MERCH

On this week's episode of Talking Apes Podcast, we're joined by two extraordinary scientists, Dr Cleve Hicks and Toni Romani, as they lead us into the enigmatic world of the Bili-Ape and beyond.Few people have ventured as far and deep into the Congo's dark and secretive forests as Dr Cleve Hicks. Primatologist and associate professor at the University of Warsaw, Cleve takes us back to his thrilling early 2000s expedition in search of the mysterious Bili-Ape; a creature once rumoured to be an amalgamation of chimp and gorilla, displaying astonishing bipedal abilities and fearsome strength. Is it a missing link, a hybrid, or an entirely new species? Cleve and his team ventured into the wilderness with no clear expectations, ready to unearth incredible discoveries concealed beneath the jungle canopy.Dr Hicks and Toni Romani's work in western Uganda also opens up a world of secrets. From chimpanzee ground nests hidden on the dense forest floor, to the fascinating and diverse realm of ape tool 'culture'.Join us as Cleve and Toni guide us through some of their findings:Ground-nesting chimpsDid you know that chimps build nest-like beds in the trees every night? During their expedition, Toni and Cleve began to notice an astonishing percentage of chimp nests down on the ground. Why? And does this discovery have implications for our understanding of human evolution, offering clues about our own sleeping habits from the past?  Elaborate tool-use traditions amongst wild chimp populationsChimps exhibit a remarkably diverse array of tool-use practises. From using sets of sticks in a sequence to access honey in beehives to unique pounding, levering, and probing techniques, the world of ape tool culture is more rich and diverse than we previously thought.The spread of unique behavioural practises making up 'cultural realms' Can the notion of culture truly extend to chimps?  Cleve reveals how behavioural traits and tool-use traditions differ vastly across chimp groups and also cluster, alluding to the idea of 'cultural realms', and mirroring how cultures are dispersed and divided across our own Homo sapien world.  Can understanding these behavioural traits in  our closest cousins shed light on our own ancient history and the tools and traditions of early hominins?  CLICK HERE TO READ: Ground Nesting Chimps Hold Lessons for Conservation and for Human Evolution Click here to watch Cleve's Ted Talk on chimp culture in the Congo BasinScroll down for photos and videos. Support the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes Click here to support the show. BUY OUR MERCH

 Unraveling the Meaty Mysteries of Human Evolution with Dr. Briana PobinerThis week on Talking Apes we journey back in time to explore our ancestral roots with Dr. Briana Pobiner. As a distinguished paleoanthropologist, Dr. Pobiner delves deep into the evolution of the human diet and the pivotal role meat played in our development as a species.Briana, who leads the Smithsonian Human Origins education and outreach initiatives, offers a unique perspective on our shared history with other apes and our progression towards becoming Homo sapiens.  This week we're stepping away from our usual focus on modern apes to explore the dietary habits of our ancient ancestors with Briana as our amazing guide on some key topics:The Myth of Linearity: Dr. Pobiner shatters the common misconception that human evolution is a linear progression from chimpanzees. Instead, she unveils the intricate web of evolutionary branches that make up our family tree.The 2% Difference: Dive deep into the significance of the mere 2% difference in DNA that separates us from our closest living relatives. Discover how this small genetic gap holds significance to our unique journey.'The cool thing about human bodies is we're this archive of evolution and we share a lot of that evolutionary history with our closest living relatives.' - Dr PobinerMeat-Eating in Prehistory: Explore Dr. Pobiner's research spanning up to 2.5 million years ago, focusing on the pivotal role of meat in early human diets. Learn how she deciphers clues in fossilized bones and identifies tooth and butchery marks to reveal the stone tools our ancestors used to process their food and other ideas about how they lived.Coexisting Hominids: Delve into the intriguing story of how multiple species of humans (hominids) lived concurrently, painting a complex picture of our ancient world.‘This is actually a very weird time in human evolution because there's only one type of human on the planet - through most of our evolutionary history there have been multiple lineages, multiple different species of hominids (early humans) that co-existed at the same time - that's something to give us pause.' - Dr PobinerScavenging and Survival: Uncover the theory that early humans might have survived by scavenging meat left behind by carnivores.Modern Paleo Diets: Dr. Pobiner shares her insights on modern paleo diets, offering a bridge between our ancestral past and present dietary trends.Join us as we journey through time, exploring the rich tapestry of human evolution! This episode promises to leave you with a newfound appreciation for the intricacies of our evolutionary heritage (and maybe a rumbling tummy)!Click here to visit the Smithsonian's Human Origins WebsiteClick here to read Briana's articles on human evolutionClick here to see a fascinating diagram depicting human evolutionSupport the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes Click here to support the show. BUY OUR MERCH

A World Gorilla Day Special Exploring the Fate of the Colossal Grauer's GorillasSituated on the eastern edge of the expansive Congo Basin in the Democratic Republic of Congo, GRACE  holds the unique distinction of being the world's sole sanctuary for Grauer's gorillas. The largest primates on our planet, yet the least known of the gorilla species, these giants are facing a dire crisis as their numbers have plummeted drastically over the past two decades. Only 6,800 individuals now remain. 'For every baby gorilla that comes to the sanctuary, we know the family was most likely killed.' In this episode of Talking Apes, GRACE's Programs Director, Katie Fawcett, reveals the  complexities of working in a region historically marred by devastating conflicts. The difficulty of reaching these remote gorilla territories has hampered research, conservation, and tourism efforts over the years, leaving these magnificent creatures teetering on the brink of extinction. 'GRACE lies at the start of the Congo Basin - I find that wildly exciting. But access to work in that area has been very challenging.' Can the elusive Grauer's endure the challenges of the next decade and beyond? There is hope. Throughout our conversation, Katie reveals the remarkable achievements of GRACE. Learn about their efforts in building trust with local communities and establishing a resilient Congolese team, all working toward a vision of sustainable community-led conservation. 'Our goal is to come out with a model of community led conservation - where the forests are protected, the gorillas are protected, and the people are benefitting.' - Dr Katie FawcettClick here to visit the GRACE website.Click here to see GRACE's 14 beautiful gorilla inhabitants. Click HERE to support our show with Talking Apes Merch. Support the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes Click here to support the show. BUY OUR MERCH

Diana Kanweri closes not only our special Making of Chimp Empire series, but Season 2 of Talking Apes. The talented Ugandan chimpanzee field guide and camera operator was the first ever Ugandan woman to work on the Ngogo Chimp Project and made an invaluable contribution to the Netflix docuseries. Diana's expertise in navigating the Ugandan wilderness and her keen eye for capturing stunning shots made her an integral part of the filmmaking team behind Chimp Empire.During her appearance on the podcast, Diana shared her experiences and the challenges she faced while working on the series. Her deep connection to the local environment and her understanding of the chimpanzees' behavior allowed her to capture some of the most impactful and memorable shots of the entire series. Her ability to anticipate and frame key moments in the chimpanzees' lives added an extra layer of visual storytelling to Chimp Empire.‘I know chimps better than I know my own family. I'm happy, and I think in a way I owe that to them.' Director of Photography. Ben Sadd, in our conversation for Talking Apes, himself acknowledged Diana's remarkable talent, praising her for capturing shots that had a profound impact on the viewers. Her camera work not only showcased the beauty and majesty of the Ngogo chimpanzees but also provided an intimate window into their daily lives, drawing audiences into their world.‘A chimp saved me life from a large elephant coming up behind me. He warned me and waited for me to run away with him. I couldn't believe a chimp saved my life.' Diana's contribution to Chimp Empire went beyond her technical skills as a camera operator. Her presence in the Ugandan wilderness and her understanding of the local ecosystem brought authenticity and depth to the documentary series. By capturing the essence of the chimpanzees' natural habitat, Diana's footage added a sense of place and context, enhancing the overall storytelling of the series.As a field guide and camera operator, Diana played an instrumental role in bringing the wonders of the Ngogo chimpanzees to audiences around the world. Her skillful cinematography and her deep connection to the park and its wildlife allowed viewers to witness the chimpanzees' lives with a sense of intimacy and awe. This podcast contains spoilers and we recommend that listeners watch the series on Netflix before listening. Netflix theme, and Chimp Empire intro, narration and music, used by permission and under license from Netflix, for use in GLOBIO's Talking Apes four-part podcast series The Making Of - Chimp Empire - Behind The Scenes.Support the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes Click here to support the show.

‘When I arrived at Ngogo, it didn't take me long to figure out this place was unusual.' For the second installment of our Making of Chimp Empire Series, we were privileged to have the esteemed Professor John Mitani as a guest on Talking Apes. John shared intimate stories about his extraordinary lifetime of work studying the Ngogo chimpanzees and his latest adventure serving as a scientific adviser to the team of filmmakers working on the  hit Netflix docuseries. ‘The Ngogo chimps have been filmed many times by many people - but nothing like this.'During our chat, John spoke passionately about his deep connection with the Ngogo chimps owed to his decades-spanning research efforts. His extensive knowledge and expertise in the field of primatology added a profound layer of understanding to the documentary series. As the scientific adviser to the filmmakers, he played a pivotal role in ensuring accuracy and authenticity in the portrayal of chimpanzee behavior and social dynamics.One remarkable aspect of Professor Mitani's relationship with the director, James Reed, was their blossoming friendship. Through their shared passion for chimpanzees, a bond was formed that transcended the boundaries of their respective disciplines. James recognized the importance of including the scientific community in the filmmaking process and, in doing so, granted Professor Mitani unprecedented levels of creative access. This collaboration between a scientist and a filmmaker brought a unique perspective to Chimp Empire, combining scientific rigor with compelling storytelling. ‘The chimps accept our presence. I have a hard time wrapping my head around why, but I'm grateful for it.' By granting Professor Mitani a significant role in the making of Chimp Empire, James elevated the documentary series beyond a mere visual spectacle. The integration of scientific expertise added depth and credibility to the project, ensuring that the behaviors and social dynamics of the Ngogo chimpanzees were accurately portrayed. John told us that this level of collaboration between scientists and filmmakers at Ngogo is not commonplace, making Chimp Empire a truly exceptional exploration of chimp life. John will be joining us again on Season 3 of Talking Apes Podcast to talk about his astounding career studying chimpanzee society with the Ngogo Chimpanzee Project. Coming Autumn 2023. Click HERE to read more about how the chimps are doing NOW, which was put together with John's help. Click HERE to watch a short behind-the-scenes video of Chimp Empire featuring John.This podcast contains spoilers and we recommend that listeners watch the series on Netflix before listening. Netflix theme, and ChimpSupport the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes Click here to support the show.

‘Chimpanzees are just incredibly special animals and I think what makes them so unique is their individuality. It's such a privilege to be able to spend so much time with them.'The third installation going behind-the-scenes of Chimp Empire in our four-part series celebrating World Chimp Day 2023, featuring immensely talented Director of Photography, Benjamin Sadd. Ben played a crucial role in the creation of the remarkable Netflix docuseries. His passion for wildlife filmmaking and his love for capturing the lives of chimpanzees shines through his work. His dedication to his craft and his genuine affection for these incredible creatures were evident throughout the conversation.During our discussion, Ben shared his journey of falling in love with filming chimps. His deep connection with these animals goes beyond the technical aspects of cinematography. Ben expressed a personal attachment to the chimpanzees he encountered during the filming of Chimp Empire. His desire to return to Ngogo forest reflects his genuine longing to reconnect with the individuals he has come to know and document.‘When you're running through the forest trying to keep up with these chimpanzees, you feel like you're on their team. You're rooting for them.' Ben's commitment to capturing the essence of chimpanzees on film is evident in the stunning visuals of Chimp Empire. His ability to immerse the audience in the world of these intelligent and social creatures is a testament to his skill and artistry as a director of photography. The depth of his connection with the chimpanzees and his desire to share their stories with the world truly sets him apart as a remarkable filmmaker in the wildlife genre.Click here to visit Ben's website. This podcast contains spoilers and we recommend that listeners watch the series on Netflix before listening. Netflix theme, and Chimp Empire intro, narration and music, used by permission and under license from Netflix, for use in GLOBIO's Talking Apes four-part podcast series The Making Of - Chimp Empire - Behind The Scenes.Support the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes Click here to support the show.

‘We didn't decide what we wanted the story to be. We wanted the chimps to tell their story, and document that with the highest level of authenticity.' Director James Reed is a visionary filmmaker whose work has captivated audiences around the world. His 2023 Netflix docuseries, Chimp Empire, showcases his remarkable storytelling abilities and his dedication to shedding light on the lives of chimpanzees. This groundbreaking series provides a rare and intimate glimpse into the complex social dynamics and behaviors of these incredible creatures, unraveling the intricate tapestry of their lives in a way that is both educational and emotionally resonant.‘Your audience is human, so you're bridging a gap. You're connecting a human audience to an animal story.'James is one of four guests joining us on Talking Apes to celebrate World Chimpanzee Day on July 14th with a behind-the-scenes look at The Making of Chimp Empire. During our conversation, James provided insights into the challenges and joys of capturing the chimpanzees' lives on camera. His passion for the subject matter was evident as he discussed the extensive research and patience required to portray these animals' behaviors accurately. He highlighted the importance of storytelling as a means to bridge the gap between humans and chimpanzees, fostering a deeper understanding of our shared evolutionary journey.‘What's really interesting are the comments from people who normally aren't into natural history who say they are blown away by the complexities and similarities and fascination of these animals. That feels like a huge achievement.' As a director, James and his filmmaking crew have elevated the art of nature documentaries, combining stunning cinematography, immersive storytelling, and scientific accuracy to create a powerful viewing experience. Chimp Empire serves as a testament to the profound impact that media can have in fostering a deeper connection between humans and the animal kingdom.James also co-directed the oscar-winning My Octopus Teacher, directed Rise of The Warrior Apes, and worked as a producer on Disney's Chimpanzee. Click HERE to visit James Reed's production company, Underdog FilmsOfficial Netflix clip: The Death of Pork PieThis podcast contains spoilers and we recommend that listeners watch the series on Netflix before listening. Netflix theme, and Chimp Empire intro, narration and music, used by permission and under license from Netflix, for use in GLOBIO's Talking Apes four-part podcast series The Making Of - Chimp Empire - BeSupport the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes Click here to support the show.

In recent years, podcasts have emerged as an innovative and accessible medium for science education. With their ability to engage, inform, and entertain listeners, podcasts have become an invaluable tool for disseminating knowledge about various scientific disciplines...including the best one of all, primatology  ;)It probably won't come as a surprise that  - apart from, of course, our own -  Andrew MacIntosh's, podcast, The PrimateCast,  run out of Kyoto University's Wildlife Research Center, is the Talking Apes team's collective favourite podcast.Enlightening audiences about the wonders of primatology, evolution, and anthropology since 2012, the show has featured fascinating conversations with some of the primatology world's troop-leaders, including Frans de Waal, John Mitani, and the chimp queen herself, Jane Goodall.This week we had a lovely chat with Andrew on Talking Apes, where we delved into the history of The PrimateCast and how podcasting has become an indispensable tool to engage and educate the public about primates, the threats they face, and the vital conservation of their habitats.  We also talked about Andrew's colourful scientific career as part primatologist/marine biologist, behavioural ecologist, and university professor; and his long-term research on the intersection between animal behaviour and parasitism. Check out the wonderful PrimateCast at theprimatecast.comSupport the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes Click here to support the show.

Held captive as pets, dressed in human clothes, forced to perform tricks, and in some cases, even brutally tortured and killed. These are just some of the despicable ways that primates and other wildlife are being exploited online for likes, shares, and cash. The rise of social media has unfortunately made it easier for people to share photos and videos of animal cruelty. And according to research, primates make up an overwhelming majority of the abuse cases we find online. What's perhaps even more disturbing is the growing online community who not only seek out this kind of content, but are willing to pay to see horrific acts of abuse committed. What's worse - the social media platforms, like Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok, allow revenue to flow into the pockets of the content creators thanks to the popularity of these videos. 'I've watched some of these videos and I can't always watch them all the way through because they're so awful...what's worse are the comments from the community watching and enjoying them.'The range of types of online animal abuse is vast, varying from obvious and outright acts of violence to the more subtle and insidious fake rescues and wildlife as pets. Cruelty disguised as cuteness fuelling and perpetuating the illegal wildlife trade. Nicola O'Brien has been on a 20-year mission to ensure that vulnerable and defenseless animals are treated with respect and dignity. She has taken on the goliath-sized task of confronting the social media giants that allow this content to be uploaded to their platforms. ‘We are working with the platforms and trying to pressure them to enforce their own policies and remove these clear examples of abuse.'Leading up the Social Media Animal Cruelty Coalition (SMACC), Nicola and her team are pushing for social media platforms to enforce their own policies and stop providing a platform for this disgusting content. Listen now to find out how you can help from home, with just a few clicks. Visit www.smaccoalition.com to learn more. Support the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes Click here to support the show.

Did tool-use lead to talking? Dr. Gilly Forrester's groundbreaking research has contributed significantly to our understanding of the evolution of language in humans. Her work, focused on the cognitive abilities of great apes, has highlighted fascinating discoveries about their use of tools and problem solving abilities. "We share an incredible evolutionary history with other great apes."One of Gilly's observations has been that apes can modify tools to make them more effective, suggesting a level of cognitive flexibility that was previously thought to be unique to humans. Furthermore, they use tools for a wide range of purposes, including foraging, hunting and  communication. Gilly proposes that tool use may have been a precursor to the development of language in humans. Join us this week on Talking Apes Podcast where Dr Gillian Forrester shares her captivating findings on how tool-use may have been the evolutionary stepping stone that laid the foundations for the language that we humans we use today.Gillian Forrester is Professor of Evolutionary and Developmental Psychology at the University of Sussex. She holds her PhD in Experimental Psychology form the University of Oxford. To learn more about her work visit:gillianforrester.commehuman.iosussex.ac.uk/gillian-forrester*Please note, the chimpanzee in the header photo is behind glass.  Primate professionals do not condone direct human-ape contact unless in an emergency situation. Support the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes Click here to support the show.

Gadget Recycler-Ape Lover.  This is how Eric Ronay signs off on all his emails. From his warehouse in Louisville, Kentucky, Eric works diligently to not only save gorillas and their habitats, but also to save our precious environment while enacting lasting culture change. Eric, whose vision is clearly seen through the work that Eco-Cell does, wants to empower people, especially teenagers and young adults, to demand sustainable changes within the technology world.'What we do is a labour of love - I want to see a different kind of consumption culture.'In an average cell phone, there are several rare minerals. Coltan, for instance, is a mineral that makes tantalum. Tantalum is what allows cell phones and many other handheld electronics to hold a charge. 80% of the world's coltan is in the Democratic Republic of Congo which is also home to endangered gorillas. Mining of coltan (and other minerals) disrupts and destroys their habitats. 'Everybody's got these old cell phones, nobody knows what to do with them, they don't know what's in them, they don't know they affect wildlife.'To mitigate this, Eric started Eco-Cell in 2003. Eco-Cell recycles, reuses, and resells cell phones and other electronics. Since its inception, Eco-Cell has safely recycled nearly one million cell phones and raised close to one million dollars for gorilla conservation.Eric Ronay is a gorilla champion. He has made it his mission to save gorillas and raise awareness of their dire need for protection and increased conservation efforts. He does this by educating children and teenagers about cell phones and other electronics. He inspires them to contact technology companies and demand “gorilla-safe” technologies. His hope is that, with his education and partnerships with zoos and aquariums, electronics will be kept longer and longer, diminishing the need for increased mining. Eric wants everyone to realize that they do not have to trade in their phone every year for the newest version. Eric is striving for sustainable technology which will positively impact not only the gorillas, but the planet as well.Episode description by Maegan Leavendusky - Programs Co-ordinator for GLOBIOClick HERE to visit Eco-Cell's website. Click HERE to find your closest Eco-Cell drop off point. Support the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes Click here to support the show.

Mountain gorilla tourism owes its legacy to one man - Praveen Moman.  A visionary conservationist and entrepreneur, Praveen is also called the father of great ape ecotourism in Rwanda's  Virunga Mountains and the Bwindi Impenetrable Forest of Uganda.Praveen grew up surrounded by Uganda's natural beauty so his passion for conservation was sparked at an early age. After graduating university, he worked for several years in conservation projects in Africa, including as a researcher in Rwanda's Virunga National Park, which is home to endangered mountain gorillas."When you see a gorilla, there's a recognition of some deep connection between you."In 1997, he founded Volcanoes Safaris with the goal of promoting sustainable tourism in Uganda and Rwanda. The company's mission is to provide unique and authentic travel experiences while supporting local communities and protecting the environment. Volcanoes Safaris operates several luxury lodges and camps, including the award-winning Virunga Lodge, which offers stunning views of the Virunga Mountains and the nearby gorilla habitats."Our priority should be to look after the local people. People have got to be part of the conservation chain."Volcanoes Safaris has become a model for sustainable tourism, and the company's efforts have contributed to the growth of Rwanda's tourism industry.  The ethos is based around community conservation -  working closely with local communities to ensure that they benefit from conservation efforts. Volcanoes Safaris works with several local community groups, including women's cooperatives and youth groups, to provide training and employment opportunities in the tourism industry. Volcanoes also supports several conservation initiatives, such as the Mountain Gorilla Veterinary Project, which provides medical care to gorillas in the wild.Click here to visit Volcanoes Safaris WebsiteSupport the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes Click here to support the show.

"Viruses are the dark angels of evolution, terrific and terrible, without which, the immense biological diversity gracing our planet would collapse."In 2013 veteran science writer David Quammen wrote an opinion piece for the New York Times titled, The Next Pandemic: Not if, but When?  Seven years later he found himself writing about the horrors of the very thing he had foretold, as the Covid-19 virus surged throughout our world. This week, continuing our special Zoonotic Disease In the Spotlight month, David joins us for a second time round to discuss his book BREATHLESS: The Scientific Race to Defeat a Deadly Virus. BREATHLESS  is the story of SARS-CoV-2 and its fierce journey through the human population, as seen by the scientists who study its origin, its ever-changing nature, and its capacity to kill us.Through conversations with 95 expert scientists, David examines how Covid and other strange viruses emerge from other animals and infect we human apes, leading to global catastrophe.  This week on Talking Apes, we ask David:How did Covid-19 start?How are bats linked to Covid-19? Why do bats cause pandemics? Why do zoonotic diseases emerge from wet markets? Are all viruses bad?Did governments respond badly to the Covid-19 crisis?How can we prevent future pandemics?  Click HERE to visit David Quammen's Website. Click HERE to learn more about zoonotic diseases. Support the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes Click here to support the show.

Dr Gladys Kalema-Zikusoka is a vet, conservationist, and founder of Conservation through Public Health. Join  us this week on Talking Apes where she tells us about her new book Walking with Gorillas, which chronicles her journey towards becoming Uganda's first-ever wildlife veterinarian, and details her innovative approach to gorilla conservation. Gladys's work has been revolutionary in the field of gorilla protection. She recognized early on that the health of the local human populations was closely intertwined with the health of the gorillas living in the nearby forests when she ascertained that zoonotic and anthroponotic infections were jumping between the animals and people surrounding Uganda's Bwindi Impenetrable National Park.In 2023 she co-founded award-winning NGO, Conservation Through Public Health (CTPH), with her husband. The organization deploys a novel approach known as ONE HEALTH which  focuses on the interconnectivity of human, animal, and environmental health. CTPH's numerous programs work with local communities to improve access to basic healthcare services while promoting conservation awareness and sustainable livelihoods; in turn protecting the health of nearby gorillas. "You need to address human and wildlife health together in order to have holistic outcomes.""One Health is being recognized in the conservation community as a viable way to achieve sustainable development."Gladys detailed some of the difficulties she initially faced as, not just the first woman, but first ever individual tackling the role of wildlife veterinarian in Uganda. Her determination to succeed broke barriers and has paved the way for future generations of female conservationists in Uganda and across the African continent. "Conservation is about understanding that people are part of the equation."Gladys and CTPH's approach to gorilla conservation is recognized as an effective model for other programs around the world. Her focus on the links between human and animal health and wellbeing has been instrumental in promoting sustainable conservation practices that benefit both people and wildlife. Our episode with Gladys is the closing chapter of our special March 2023 zoonosis and disease ecology month. You can find all of the other episodes in this series exploring scary viruses, animal infections, and pandemics here.Support the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes Click here to support the show.

IN THE SPOTLIGHT is a quarterly feature where we revisit past Talking Apes episodes that focus on highly critical issues. For our March 2023 instalment we're featuring our Season 1 episode with disease detective Dr Tony Goldberg, accompanied by three brand new podcasts exploring disease ecology and the links between animal health, human health, and the environment.  Zoonotic diseases occur when viruses, bacteria, or parasites jump between humans and animals. Dr Goldberg explores how these diseases take a toll on us and apes like us.  In this episode he tells us about his quest to understand them, how we live with them, and his adventures in Africa trying to track down and eradicate a scary infection that almost wiped out an entire population of rescued chimpanzees. Tony's episode was originally aired in March 2021 at the heart of the Covid-19 pandemic which threw the world into turmoil, not only within our personal lives, but economically, culturally, and politically.  The pandemic brought to light zoonosis as a critical, prevalent issue and a constant existential threat to us all. Also in this special ZOONOSIS IN THE SPOTLIGHT season throughout March, don't miss our incredible new two-part conversation with award-winning science writer David Quammen, and finally a look at life on the frontlines of zoonotic and anthroponotic disease with mountain gorilla veterinarian Dr Gladys Kalema-Zikusoka; from heart of Uganda's gorilla country, the Bwindi Impenetrable Forest. Visit our website to find out more. Click here to visit Tony's website. Support the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes Click here to support the show.

"Twelve years ago I heard a phrase that changed my life. I was sitting at a campfire in central Africa and heard, 'thirteen dead gorillas'.  I didn't know it at the time, but that phrase was launching me on a long quest to understand the ecology and evolutionary biology of scary viruses."Join us this week on Talking Apes when we talk to science author David Quammen about his years long mission to understand zoonoses - diseases that pass between humans and animals. David's books, SPILLOVER and The Chimp and the River, investigate the origins of human pandemics like AIDS, Ebola, Marburg, Bird Flu, and Covid 19; how and why they emerge, and where they hide between outbreaks. Support the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes Click here to support the show.

This week we're going HOST TO HOST as Gerry is  joined by fellow wildlife podcaster Jack Baker.Jack is creator and host of Pangolin: The Conservation Podcast  which features over 100 episodes highlighting pioneering conservationists at the forefront of wildlife protection. Pangolins are Jack's starting point for celebrating under-appreciated species and conservation stories – no matter how small, strange, or unexpected!  Tune in to hear Jack tell us about his undying passion for the natural world and why he thinks zoos are a positive tool in conservation. Learn how he went about creating a podcast with a positive outlook in the middle of a pandemic, and find out why he hugged a cactus in Arizona.  Check out Jack's wonderful podcast via the links below: Listen here: https://linktr.ee/pangolinpodcast Twitter: https://twitter.com/pangolinpodcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pangolinpodcast/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/PangolinPodcast/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/pangolinpodcast/ Opening Music: Savannah (Sketch) by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://filmmusic.io/song/4323-savannah-sketch- License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-licenseSupport the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes Click here to support the show.

Carl Safina is an American ecologist and author. He writes about our relationship with the natural world and the other beings that share it.‘In my writing I explore our relationship with the living world—and how it could be better. My more recent work also probes how free-living animals experience life. What drives my work is a devotion to free-living things and wild places. And what drives that devotion is my deep love and wonder for the living world. '  (from Carlsafina.org).During our conversation, Carl expressed his deep concerns with overpopulation, pollution, climate change, habitat destruction,  and the cruelty we inflict on other species. He attributes these issues to a fundamental failure of the education system:“What do we learn by the time we're out of high school? We learn to buy things. We're equipped to just be consumers, not human beings. We don't really learn ethics, we don't learn how to take care of each other, how to take care of the world. We don't learn any kind of perspective that would give us wisdom, let alone some of the humility that you would see in indigenous cultures who revere the world. And what do we all do in the way that we live? We use stuff up. We use things that we don't understand the consequences of. We don't understand their origins. We don't really know anything.”Carl's books include Becoming Wild: How Animal Cultures Raise Families, Create Beauty, and Achieve Peace; Beyond Words: What Animals Think and Feel; The View From Lazy Point, and others. He is the founding president of the Safina Center which explores how humans are changing the living world and its ecosystems. Click here to visit Carl's Website Click here to visit The Safina Center WebsiteClick here to read Carl's article on protecting half of Earth Support the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes Click here to support the show.

Jo-Anne McArthur is a multiple award winning photojournalist who has spent over two decades travelling the world to document and bring to light the disturbing truth about our relationship with the other sentient beings that share our planet. Her unflinching photography has been acknowledged with multiple awards including Wildlife Photographer of the Year and The Global Peace Award.She is the author of  three books: We Animals (2014), Captive (2017), and HIDDEN: Animals in the Anthropocene (2020), and is the subject of Canadian filmmaker Liz Marshall's acclaimed Canadian documentary, The Ghosts in Our Machine. Jo-Anne is founder of  We Animals Media, an organisation dedicated to bringing visibility to 'hidden' animals through compelling photo and videojournalism.  The comprehensive archive of work depicting the animals we trap, wear, eat, and experiment on is freely available  to anyone wishing to change the status-quo and work towards a more compassionate world where we co-exist peacefully alongside animals. Jo-Anne and WAM's dedicated team of journalists regularly put themselves in compromising and dangerous situations in the hopes of inspiring others to share their want of a better world for animals. They often have to break the law to obtain the stories they believe will shift our attitudes towards the 80 billion land animals we use and kill every year.  In this episode of Talking Apes, Jo-Anne opens up about suffering PTSD as a result of the cruelty and bloodshed she has witnessed throughout her career. She tells us about the time her entire team ended up in hospital, and explains how she maintains her incredibly positive and warm demeaner despite the dark worlds she documents.  READ OUR BLOG HERE to learn more and see some of Jo-Anne's work, including the photos discussed in the podcast. Visit Jo-Anne McArthur's Website Warning: discusses animal cruelty, animal suffering, animal abuse. Themes: animal rights, animal liberation, animal welfare, vegetarianism, veganism, animal law, animal protection, cruelty free living,  journalism, photography.GLOBIO is a global awareness nonprofit that creates environmental films and provides visual support to wildlife conservation organizations around the world, and tells their stories globally while educating the public about our shared environmental challenges. GLOBIO's mission is to inspire a positive relationship with our environment by connecting species, people and planet.Support the showTalking Apes is an initiative of the nonprofit GLOBIO. Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastTwitter: @talking_apes Click here to support the show.

Great apes — gorillas, chimps, orangutans and bonobos — have been Talking Apes host Gerry Ellis's life long passion. Discover where it started and how it's evolved as guest host Eric Cain explores the world of Talking Apes with photographer, film-maker and podcast host, Gerry Ellis.Long before creating the Talking Apes podcast, Gerry had built an award-winning career as an international wildlife film-maker, photographer, and writer spans three-decades and features work appearing in National Geographic, BBC Wildlife, the New York Times, Ranger Rick, and more. He is the author and/or photographer of more than a dozen books, including two in the highly acclaimed National Geographic Kids Book series.Gerry's filming project in 2001, Wild Orphans, inspired the founding of GLOBIO. GLOBIO is a global awareness nonprofit that creates environmental films and provides visual support to wildlife conservation organizations around the world, and tells their stories globally while educating the public about our shared environmental challenges. GLOBIO's mission is to inspire a positive relationship with our environment by connecting species, people and planet.Support our work by becoming a Patreon subscriber: Click hereMake a one off donation to GLOBIO: Click here Talking Apes is a GLOBIO initiative. Learn more:Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastSupport our work by making a small donation here, or for access to exclusive content and rewards, click here to become a Patreon member.Support the showTalking Apes is a GLOBIO initiative. Learn more:Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastSupport our work by making a small donation here, or for access to exclusive content and rewards, click here to become a Patreon member.

At 22 years old, Rachel Hogan never dreamed that a three month volunteering trip to Africa would result in her becoming the director of one of the world's largest and most well known primate sanctuaries.Over two decades later, Rachel remains on the edge of Cameroon's rainforests overseeing fifty human residents and 300 non-human residents - a growing hoard of gorillas, chimps, and monkeys now living in Ape Action Africa's 17 ginormous forest enclosures.The sanctuary is a lifeline for endangered baby chimpanzees and gorillas that have been illegally stolen from the wild, victims of the bushmeat trade - their parents killed and the babies sold on as pets.Ape Action Africa supports the government by making confiscations of these animals possible, and providing lifelong care to the orphaned apes and monkeys that show up at their gates.Listen to Rachel tell us about the unpredictable and sometimes chaotic day to day life at the sanctuary, the tiny baby gorilla that persuaded her to stay forever, and the recent events that have given her a greater hope for the future of great apes in Africa.To learn more about Ape Action Africa visit: apeactionafrica.orgSupport their work: hereSupport our work by becoming a Patreon subscriber: Click hereSupport the showTalking Apes is a GLOBIO initiative. Learn more:Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastSupport our work by making a small donation here, or for access to exclusive content and rewards, click here to become a Patreon member.

Primate portraits from some of the most unlikely habitats — tiny, century-old, forgotten places. BEHIND GLASS by Anne Berry is an intimate very personal look at the lives of primates nearly forgotten.Visit our BLOG to see the photos from our conversation on Talking Apes. Visit anneberrystudio.com to learn more. Support the showTalking Apes is a GLOBIO initiative. Learn more:Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastSupport our work by making a small donation here.

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On the western edge of the vast Congo basin lies one of the world's most remote rainforests - the Dja. It is one of the last strongholds of a rich biodiversity that includes gorillas, chimps, forest elephants, and a breath-taking range of flora and fauna. Dr Nikki Tagg - conservation scientist and Head of Conservation for the Born Free Foundation is one of those rare researchers who has ventured into this spectacular rainforest in the hopes of understanding the causes of biodiversity loss and the mechanisms of co-existence between people and nature to conserve threatened species. Her work explores the effect of human activities like hunting and logging on great ape abundance - gorillas and chimps. Support the showTalking Apes is a GLOBIO initiative. Learn more:Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastSupport our work by making a small donation here.

We often hear about how we humans are 98% chimpanzee. In fact, biologically, humans are more closely related to chimpanzees than chimps are to gorillas! But when we look past the biological similarities, do we still see ourselves in our closest living relatives, the chimps and bonobos? Dr Catherine Hobaiter and her team have spent almost two decades deep in the rainforests of Africa, studying wild chimpanzees and attempting to read between the lines when it comes to their diverse behaviour - especially the nuances of chimp communication. When chimps shake hands, point, hold out their palms, or beckon, these gestures look familiar to us - but do they have the same meanings as they do for humans? Are chimps always violent? Do chimpanzee communities always have an alpha male? Why do chimpanzees drum on tree roots!?Cat shares some of her team's incredible breakthrough scientific discoveries, and some of her favourite personal anecdotes about her time spent with apes like us.Support the showTalking Apes is a GLOBIO initiative. Learn more:Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastSupport our work by making a small donation here.

Decades of losing. Losing forest habitat, losing primate populations, and losing in our efforts to educate politicians, the public, and policy-makers. Most critically, we are losing great apes by the thousands each year.On Giving Day for Apes we talk with PASA's new director, Kelly O'Meara, about how PASA's 23 member primate sanctuaries across Africa are much more than caring arms for the victims of the illegal wildlife trade. While the sanctuaries are faced with the responsibility of providing lifelong care to the floods of baby chimps, gorillas, and bonobos that show up at their gates, they are also key stakeholders in the conservation conversation - owed to their unique positioning amidst the local surroundings, communities, and cultures. Kelly tells us how PASA acts as a representative for its members and as a voice that raises their importance in protecting not only the individuals in their care but the wild populations beyond their walls too. Visit PASA.org to learn more. givingdayforapes.org#givingdayforapes Support the showTalking Apes is a GLOBIO initiative. Learn more:Official website: talkingapes.orgInstagram: @talkingapes_podcastSupport our work by making a small donation here.

When an entire family of chimpanzees is slaughtered for bushmeat, the baby chimps are captured live and sold into the multi-billion dollar global wildlife trade. Often sold on as pets, they suffer in confinement and misery, deprived of companionship and a natural life in their wild rainforest homes. Iris Ho is Head of Campaigns and Policy at PASA (Pan African Sanctuary Alliance) - Africa's largest coalition of wildlife sanctuaries and one of the world's leading organizations fighting to protect primates. Her role is to represent PASA at multilateral conferences where wildlife protection policies are made, and to be a voice for PASA's 23 member wildlife sanctuaries  - all fighting on the frontlines to tackle this intensifying crisis. Animal rescues by sanctuaries make up one pillar in the struggle against poaching and the illegal wildlife trade, but the issues need to be tackled holistically to get to the roots. Iris tells us how we might begin to strengthen law enforcement, and change global policies and mindsets to drive lasting transformative changes that could save our wild cousins from extinction. Learn more about PASA's work here: pasa.orgPlease consider signing PASA's petition advocating a ban on pet primates: pasa.org/fight-the-trade-of-primates/Support the show

Mountain Gorillas and forest elephants highlight our launch of Talking Apes Season 2 with conservationist and naturalist Ian Redmond. Over his three-decades of life in the wilds, Ian has seen the most beautiful reflections of nature and the most horrific of impacts we humans have dish out. Through it all Ian has remained positive and confident in the resiliency of nature and the strength of our resolve to ensure survival of magnificent species like gorillas and elephants. Part 2 digs deeper into the role of carbon, climate and ecosystem services as an economic commodity that might just provide wildlife with a greater value alive than poached.Support the show

Mountain Gorillas and forest elephants highlight our launch of Talking Apes Season 2 with conservationist and naturalist Ian Redmond. Over his three-decades of life in the wilds, Ian has seen the most beautiful reflections of nature and the most horrific of impacts we humans have dish out. Through it all Ian has remained positive and confident in the resiliency of nature and the strength of our resolve to ensure survival of magnificent species like gorillas and elephants.Support the show

The touching and beautiful photography of Suzi Eszterhas is a reminder that every photograph has the potential to say something powerful, poignant and meaningful. Much of her work used imagery of baby animals to spur big impact for conservation. On this episode of Talking Apes we're going to be exploring the way we think, interpret and talk about conservation and wildlife through the camera lens.  We'll also touch on the challenges of being an incredibly talented and dedicated female photographer in a field traditionally dominated by men.Suzi's images have graced the covers of over 100 magazines such as Smithsonian Magazine, BBC Wildlife, TIME and Ranger Rick. Suzi joins us for a thoughtful — personal look at conservations meaning and its importance in our lives through images, and how that's brought to life in her new book, NEW ON EARTH: Baby Animals in the WildSee more of Suzi's work: https://www.suzieszterhas.com/Support the show (https://globio.org/donate)

Join us for another live Talking Apes with Dr. Karina Flores to dive into her experience as a wildlife veterinarian. With wild patients as varied as African wild dogs, Fishers, Cheetahs, and now rescued chimpanzees here in Sierra Leone at the Tacugama Chimpanzee Sanctuary, Dr. Karina has no shortage of experience rolling with the punches and working through the unexpected! Today, she oversees care for the 106 rescued chimpanzees at Tacugama, where each day brings new triumphs and challenges. More about Tacugama Chimpanzee Sanctuary: https://www.tacugama.com/Support the show (https://globio.org/donate)