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In this episode I look again at the Sophists with a focus on their dedication to rhetoric, as described by classicist Bernard Knox in his collection of essays, The Oldest Dead White European Males.
In this episode, we consider some of the philosophically insightful sections of Nietzsche's lectures on rhetoric & the Sophists. In particular, we examine the figure of Protagoras, of whom we have little information, but who is credited with establishing the Sophists as a philosophical school focused on rhetoric. The latter half of the episode concerns the Platonic dialogue named for Protagoras, the "great speech" of Protagoras contained within, and the somewhat puzzling dispute between Protagoras and Socrates on whether or not virtue can be taught.
Is Paul addressing the church and telling them to stay away from non-Christians? Not exactly, although there are times when that separation is needed. He is addressing his opponents in the Corinthians church who had departed from the gospel, ignored Paul's authority as an apostle, and focused on status, rhetoric, and style (the Sophists). Paul… The post Move away from Idolatry towards Holiness appeared first on Trinity Community Church.
*This series and episode is slide show and visual heavy so check out our video episodes on Youtube and Spotify. The Linktree link is at the bottom.In Episode 5 we will be discussing Plato's dialogues that contain sophists and sophistry. We will discuss who all the sophists were and how they interacted with Socrates in Plato's dialogues. Please check out episode 1 on the pre-socratics, Episode 2 on Socrates, Plato, Plato's Dialogues, Episode 3 on Aristotle, and Episode 4 on The Sophists if you have not already. In coming episodes we will be discussing the interplay between them all. *Welcome to a journey into the origins of thought, where we explore the minds that shaped the very foundations of our understanding. Hello, my name is Mike and I am the host of Mind Escape Podcast. I am happy to share my new series called Masters of Rhetoric. Masters of Rhetoric is a free bi-weekly course/podcast that will air on Mondays. The goal is to draw from the earliest philosophers, scientists, and critical thinkers to help navigate the current technological paradigm. In a world where divisive and eristic rhetoric often dominates online spaces, I believe it's crucial to return to the roots of dialectic. This approach can offer the thoughtful discourse that humanity desperately needs today. ***So, join us on this philosophical adventure by subscribing to our channel and podcast. Engage with us through your comments and critiques—we're excited to hear your thoughts. Let's embark on this journey together with ‘Masters of Rhetoric.' Enjoy the series!**Here is the Link to the Masters of Rhetoric Playlist on Youtube:https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLJ-BaaY8oWs0YUhRIbFXg0od7OadLtqP&si=HUekvM63I0hTx_ez**I recently moved a lot of older episodes to our patreon page which you can watch or listen to them for 2$ a month along with other exclusive content. The Link is
Today we've got another Heroic +1 for you featuring wisdom from Brian's recent travels from Athens, Greece after the Athens Heroic Activation Event. If you're enjoying the podcast, make sure to subscribe! And… It's the final week for Heroic's Cyber Week Specials.
Today we've got another Heroic +1 for you featuring wisdom from Brian's recent travels from Athens, Greece after the Athens Heroic Activation Event. If you're enjoying the podcast, make sure to subscribe. And... we're in the final week for our Heroic Holiday strength-for-two specials!
Tonight I am joined by Author of “Psychedelic Outlaws” and Associate Professor of Sociology at Rutgers University Joanna Kempner, PhD. We will be discussing her research and book on psychedelics, clusters headaches, and the cultural impacts of prohibition. ***Also big news!!!! “Masters of Rhetoric” the first four episodes are available YouTube channel, Spotify, and all podcast outlets. I will be dropping episode 5 on “Plato and The Sophists” at the beginning of November. Youtube
Socrates, Plato, and the Legacy of Greek PhilosophyIn this episode, the Daniel and Nathan return after a brief hiatus to explore the life and philosophy of Socrates and his profound impact on his pupil Plato. They discuss the Socratic method of questioning, its influence on Western thought, and how it shaped Plato's works and ideas, particularly in his early dialogues. The dialogue also delves into the historical context of Socrates' life, his opposition to the Sophists, concepts like absolute truth, justice, and the philosopher king. Additionally, the episode examines Socrates' influence on early Christian theology through Plato and Aristotle, the spread of Hellenistic culture, and its enduring impact on contemporary interpretations of the Bible. 00:00 Introduction and Catching Up01:43 Transition to Socrates Discussion02:36 Socrates: Historical and Literary Figure05:16 Socrates' Influence on Plato07:48 Socratic Method and Dialogues12:43 Socrates' Life and Death16:11 Exploring Plato's Socratic Method16:21 The Immortality and Transmigration of the Soul16:56 Socrates' Dialogue on Justice21:13 Socrates' Intellectual Humility22:15 Plato's Philosophical Contributions25:05 Upcoming Discussions on Plato and Aristotle26:05 The Influence of Greek Thought on Christian Theology
*This series and episode is slide show and visual heavy so check out our video episodes on Youtube and Spotify. The Linktree link is at the bottom. In Episode 4 we will be discussing “The Sophists” and the influence they have had on rhetoric and persuasion. Please check out episode 1 on the pre-socratics, Episode 2 on Socrates, Plato, Plato's Dialogues, and Episode 3 on Aristotle if you have not already. In coming episodes we will be discussing the interplay between them all. *Welcome to a journey into the origins of thought, where we explore the minds that shaped the very foundations of our understanding. Hello, my name is Mike and I am the host of Mind Escape Podcast. I am happy to share my new series called Masters of Rhetoric. Masters of Rhetoric is a free bi-weekly course/podcast that will air on Mondays. The goal is to draw from the earliest philosophers, scientists, and critical thinkers to help navigate the current technological paradigm. In a world where divisive and eristic rhetoric often dominates online spaces, I believe it's crucial to return to the roots of dialectic. This approach can offer the thoughtful discourse that humanity desperately needs today. **For those eager to dive even deeper, I'm offering an exclusive series on our Mind Escape Patreon called ‘Masters of Rhetoric: The Epistemology of Mysteries.' This series will analyze and critique researchers, books, and theories, all centered around the question: ‘How do we know what we know about the mysteries of life?' Click the Mind Escape Linktree below to join. ***So, join us on this philosophical adventure by subscribing to our channel and podcast. Engage with us through your comments and critiques—we're excited to hear your thoughts. Let's embark on this journey together with ‘Masters of Rhetoric.' Enjoy the series! **Here is the Link to Masters of Rhetoric Episode #1 on the pre-socratics: https://youtu.be/yarLk7t5H3g *Watch our documentary “As Within So Without: from UFOs to DMT”: https://youtu.be/ao9fyP-lS2I?si=zQI3ok4aFNQkvl31 **Check out our new Merch store. We have some amazing designs for T-shirts, Hoodies, Mugs, Stickers, and more https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mind-escape?ref_id=24655 ***If you are watching on Youtube please check us out on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and all audio/podcast platforms. We appreciate reviews and comments. If you are listening on an audio/podcast platform please check out our Youtube channel where we do our episodes live. You can find all of our links on our LinkTree LinkTree: https://linktr.ee/MindEscapePodcast --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/mindescape/support
Understanding Sophism: Background, Impact, and CritiquesIn this episode, the discussion focuses on the Sophists, their role in ancient philosophy, and their impact on subsequent thought. We delve into their characteristics, methodologies, and goals, exploring how they served as both a culmination and a reaction to earlier philosophical ideas. Daniel summarizes their teaching under the three headings of: skepticism, relativism, and pragmatism. The conversation ultimately highlights the critical role the Sophists played in setting the stage for the great philosophers Plato and Aristotle. Through an analysis of Sophist principles and the response by Socrates and Plato, the episode offers a comprehensive understanding of this significant yet often misunderstood philosophical movement.00:00 Introduction to the Topic00:36 The Role and Influence of Sophists02:06 Sophists' Business Model and Teaching Methods04:58 Protagoras and His Teachings06:53 Skepticism in Sophist Philosophy11:23 Relativism Explained18:24 Pragmatism in Sophist Thought18:49 The Concept of Enlightened Self-Interest20:00 Pragmatism and Societal Values21:50 Cultural Practices and Moral Relativism23:34 Custom vs. Nature: The Debate25:26 Sophocles' Antigone: A Case Study27:59 Socrates and Plato: Challenging Relativism33:04 The Legacy of the Sophists36:01 Conclusion and Next Steps
*This series and episode is slide show and visual heavy so check out our video episodes on Youtube and Spotify. The Linktree link is at the bottom. In Episode #2 we will be discussing Socrates, Plato, and Plato's Dialogues. Please check out episode #1 on the pre-socratics if you have not already. In coming episodes we will be discussing Aristotle, The Sophists, and more… *Welcome to a journey into the origins of thought, where we explore the minds that shaped the very foundations of our understanding. Hello, my name is Mike and I am the host of Mind Escape Podcast. I am happy to share my new series called Masters of Rhetoric. Masters of Rhetoric is a free bi-weekly course/podcast that will air on Mondays. The goal is to draw from the earliest philosophers, scientists, and critical thinkers to help navigate the current technological paradigm. In a world where divisive and eristic rhetoric often dominates online spaces, I believe it's crucial to return to the roots of dialectic. This approach can offer the thoughtful discourse that humanity desperately needs today. **For those eager to dive even deeper, I'm offering an exclusive series on our Mind Escape Patreon called ‘Masters of Rhetoric: The Epistemology of Mysteries.' This series will analyze and critique researchers, books, and theories, all centered around the question: ‘How do we know what we know about the mysteries of life?' Click the Mind Escape Linktree below to join. ***So, join us on this philosophical adventure by subscribing to our channel and podcast. Engage with us through your comments and critiques—we're excited to hear your thoughts. Let's embark on this journey together with ‘Masters of Rhetoric.' Enjoy the series! *Watch our documentary “As Within So Without: from UFOs to DMT”: https://youtu.be/ao9fyP-lS2I?si=zQI3ok4aFNQkvl31 **Check out our new Merch store. We have some amazing designs for T-shirts, Hoodies, Mugs, Stickers, and more https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mind-escape?ref_id=24655 ***If you are watching on Youtube please check us out on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and all audio/podcast platforms. We appreciate reviews and comments. If you are listening on an audio/podcast platform please check out our Youtube channel where we do our episodes live. You can find all of our links on our LinkTree LinkTree: https://linktr.ee/MindEscapePodcast --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/mindescape/support
Topics: Forgiveness, God, Blood of Jesus, Matthew 6:15, Forgive Others, Conditional Forgiveness, Old Testament Forgiveness, New Testament Forgiveness, Matthew 5-7, Sermon on the Mount, Subheading Added by Publisher, The Word Sermon Isn't in the Bible, Greek Rhetoric, Deceitful Argument, Sophists and Philosophers Gave Sermons, Augustine and Chrystostom, Sermons interwoven into Liturgy by Constantine, Sermons Set Aside for Eucharist, Sermons Put Back in Place as Best Part of Service by Reformers, Martin Luther Said you Can't Know God Unless You Hear Sermons, Faith Comes by Hearing Is Not a Sermon, Many Sermons Don't Mention Jesus or the Gospel, Cut Off Your Hand, Pluck Out Your Eye, Sell Everything, Don't Ask For Returns On Your Loans, Don't Pray in Public, Anger the Same as Murder, Call Someone a Fool and Go to Hell, Leave Your Sacrifice at the Altar, Go Be Reconciled, If They Have Something Against You, Annual Forgiveness at Temple, Day of Atonement, Never Forgave Others to be Forgiven, Obey Commandments in Law to be Blessed, Deuteronomy 8, Health and Wealth, Without Shedding of Blood There Is No Forgiveness, Hebrews 9:22, Christ Would Have to Be Sacrificed Repeatedly, Hebrews 9:26, He Appeared Once For All to Put Away Sin Through Sacrifice of Himself, The Blood of Bulls and Goats Could Never Take Away Sin, Hebrews 10:4, Propitiation of Sin Rather Than Atonement, Satisfying Sacrifice, 1 John 2:2, 1 John 4:10, We Don't Forgive to Be Forgiven But Because We Have Been Forgiven Past Tense, Ephesians 4:32, Colossians 3:13, Repent of Your sins, Acts 2:39, Acts 3:19, Two Different Greek Words of Repent With Only One English Translation, “Repent!”, Metanoeo and Metanoia, Change of Belief and Change of Behaviors, Unbelievers Committing Repentance According to the Law in the Gospels, Frontier Revivalists, 18th 19th and Early 20th Century, Traveling Superstar Salesman, No Body Life, Just Save the Souls of the Lost, One-Night Stands of Salvation and Then Gone to Next City, Tay Up Numbers of How Many Came Forward and Were Saved, Altar Call Which Showed Repentance Not Biblical, Lorenzo Dow Created Altar Call, So Popular It Was Interwoven Into the Church Services, Only Forgiven Until You Sin Again, Jews Never Repented of Sins to Be Forgiven, Only Blood Forgives, NLT Not Accurate about Repenting “of” sins, Jews Went to the Temple for Forgiveness, They Repented of Sins to Be Blessed With Health and Wealth Not to be Forgiven, Trade of System, Easier For a Camel to Go Through Eye of Needle than for a Rich Man to Enter the Kingdom of God, Jesus Blew Their Minds about Wealth and Health According to the Law, Confess Sins to Be Forgiven, 1 John 1:9, Proof-Texting From the Devil, Matthew 4, Jump From the Temple and Angels Will Catch You, Jesus Corrected Devil's Proof-Texting With Proper Context and We Can Too, 1 John 1:9 Is About Sin Deniers Not Christians Repeatedly Confessing for Forgiveness, John Was a Jew Who Received Forgiveness Annually, Before the Cross The Jews Didn't Confess to be Forgiven, The Agreed they Broke the Commandment and then Recommitted to Not Do it Again, If You Forget One Sin You'd Go to Hell, What If you Tongue Gets Cut Out, Voice-box No Longer Works, James 5:16, Confess to be Healed In Your Mind, Not About Confessing Secret Sins to Receive Physical Healing, Children's Hospitals, Bonus Lie is God Will Forgive You If You Ask, Ask For Forgiveness Not in the Bible, The Truth About God's Forgiveness Is He Doesn't Forgive Like People Forgive, People Forgive Through Changes Behavior and Apologies, God Only Forgives By Blood, It's Good to Mature and Even Say Sorry But He's Not Repeatedly Forgiving You, Jesus Would Have to Die Repeatedly Each Time, By One Offering tSupport the Show.Sign up for Matt's free daily devotional! https://mattmcmillen.com/newsletter
Today we continue our discussion of Ben Burgis' book "Give Them An Argument, Logic For The Left" with chapters 3 and 4. Here he lays into the Libertarians and his critique of the non aggression principle, among many other things. Disclaimer: All opinions are our own and don't represent any institution we may or may not be a part of, respectively.
Sophist by Plato audiobook. Sophist discusses being and not-being while drawing a distinction between the philosopher and the sophist. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
In one example i can encapsulate the whole mechanism of Dustin Nemos the SOPHIST. I brought up the World Fairs. I DID NOT say anything about a MUD FLOOD, nor of Tartaria. Just because others may link them erroneously, doesn't mean that I do, and he was berating me arguing points about a fucking mud flood. He introduced those elements so that he could argue them away (an aweful Iot like a Jewish Lawyer would a witness) I wasn't conjuring imagery or invoking the name of mud flood. That was him introducing an element that I didn't say, and then arguing the point he injected into my statement about the theaters and the worlds fairs. Who said anything about the Mud Flood? My point was that they were huge elaborate centers with great architecture. And all I said is it seems to indicate they had been there longer. Apparently that triggered Dustin into defending a friggin' "young Earth" theory. He didn't get it. There have been Europeans in the Americas since the 1500s. The World's Fairs were in the mid-late 1800s to about 1930s. There was no need to drag us into the Bible over me casually bringing up the World's Fairs in passing and me making an entirely DIFFERENT point than what he was arguing. The little shit was having an argument with himself and came in hostile and rude. If he was in my house he wouldn't have made it out the door or at least not past the front lawn. I don't put up with that shit and I have a file to show for it. Me saying isn't it interesting they had all these theaters and elaborate fairs reeducating people of their "history" with higher tech than is claimed. I'm not sure how that challenges his Bible, but that is pretty Despotic and Pope-Like to have to shut me down over it. And that stupid shit about how some idiot showed how they can make form blocks somehow dispels the mystery of the World's Fairs, and both of those fucking ass clowns thought that rationale was sound and legitimate? That's insanity. I was talking to fucking mental patients. Wisdom is not something that has ever met Nemos. I know that there's always more information on any topic and that is why I am humble and not absolute in my positions. Data is corrupted in most things, or it's missing, or it's been replaced with a lie. Wisdom should tell you your personal experience with God should be more important than what some sandy child-killing, circumcision-crazed assholes have to say about it. Being wise enough to not be so rigid allows you to grow and learn and consider new information as it presents itself. The two guests are both quite full of themselves. They don't appreciate that I'm probably older than both of them. I went through all this nonsense and grew to understand it wasn't for me by age 15, and reaffirmed it was not where God was again in my 20s. I have 45 years of actual living and life experience. I didn't just read about life. I did what all are supposed to do and what the Gnostics said was most important and that was to go on the personal journey. To spend much time solo so as to know thyself, accept and grow with God within you. I did the countless hikes, the writing, the pondering, analysis. I don't owe them that explanation because it's not my job to qualify to someone else. We are not here to compete with each other. We're here to be measured off of ourselves. From day to day. Are we the same person we were last week, or did we succeed in growing and improving ourselves? I will not lower myself trying to impress people who aren't half the human being that I am, so fck the both of them. The leading questions and the putting of words into my mouth didn't stop. John took a series of shots as well. The last one wasn't addressed but I know what he was trying to fabricate. First I told him twice I wasn't championing the Gospel of Judas. I said I found it interesting. From that he asked me stupid questions about Transgender crap that was supposed to make me recoil and say something but I didn't give him the material to use. Before he could finish trying to set up some mental gymnastics about his ignorant view of Early Christian concepts, Dustin threatened to leave so I kicked him the Fck Off the stream. Don't come into my home as a guest, talk down to me, and then threaten to leave. I want nothing from anyone. No one and no religion holds anything over my head. If he was in my home I'd have thrown him out of my window long before I booted him off. If I wasn't on radio for 2 hours the bullshit would have been shut down much sooner but they may as well do something useful and fill in the time. A sophist is someone whose goal is to appear to have advanced his position no matter what disreputable methods they may use, or whether they believe in what they are saying or not. It's about appearing to have succeeded at whatever the cost to their reputation or to what damage the Truth endures. This is not the same as a Stoic. I am arguing from the perspective of logic and logical steps. I can point to many factors that leave me to dismiss the Old Testament as anything but a regional culture and religion, but certainly NOT a valid historical reference or resouce. The very notion of its literary divinity disqualifies it to me as even a religion which I would consider. It doesn't pass the sniff test. So if you're going to recite chapter and verse to me that is meaningless. You can't make your arguments from within a reference I don't accept if you want me to accept what you're saying. Find the data in the real world. My firm position is the Old Testament is NOT a historical reference book. That shouldn't even be a controversial position. It's a logical one. The bible doesn't pass the most basic test for me to consider it a real log of events past. SO THAT'S WHERE IT ENDS. Before it begins. I'm not telling anyone else to view it in my way. I'm not ridiculing the followers. I'm addressing the simple fact that it's not a valid consideration for me. So when you speak to me of "FACT" come with a different source other than a religious one with some vague disjointed gaslighting to make pieces fit that DON'T. When you want to talk to me about history find something in the historical record. Not in someone's religion. There can be no reasonable discussion with some of those who deem themselves Christian. This particular situation was bound to go like this. It's not the word of God because that's not how it works, so the entire premise is invalid. It wasn't divinely inspired. If anyone thinks God is described in the OT, they are insulting to God, or at least to the God I know. It was greedily and ambitiously inspired. I see it as a work of Magicians, witches, sorcerers... And later, the merchants and thieves. The Cutthroats of the road would write themselves into the story and create characters never written of before. This is a grimoire at best, a list of crimes by the Demiurge and His chosen bastards at worst. Those whose soul was offered to Kronos-Saturn-Yaldabaoth. I'm here to get into it with John Brisson and Dustin Nemos today. Haters out there, this is going to give you caca pants. And with that, F*ck the Rude. I don't get paid to do this. F*ck your hate mail. Come to me if you have something to say and I'll give you an attitude adjustment. 98% of the people out there are not much more than talking livestock. They huddle around clowns like this cult leader as proof. What's coming you will have more than deserved, and it's due to your attitudes that this is true. It's a shame your children have to suffer for your lazy, self-centered, smugness. Don't expect me to give a shit. I knew most people were useless unless you could convince them to be a thick bullet sponge for when shit does go down, but most will fail to even serve that function. https://odysee.com/@weveread:7 For Johnhttps://dustinnemos.comhttps://theserapeum.com For DustinThank the Kristos Family anytime here: https://GiveSendGo.com/BaalBustersHELLO European Viewers! You can support here: https://www.tipeeestream.com/baalbusters/US, use "SuperChat" here to support the effort: https://buymeacoffee.com/BaalBustersBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/ba-al-busters-broadcast--5100262/support.
In this episode I examine the competing forces of Physis (Nature) and Nomos (Custom) as detailed in the erudite examination The Sophists by W. K. C. Guthrie.
This time we move beyond Confucius to look at some of the other schools of thought that contended with each other during the Spring and Autumn Period of the Zhou Dynasty. This included the School of Names and the Sophists, featuring an amusing story about Deng Xi. We also see how the Confucian classics became a pathway to a career in the government. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
This time we move beyond Confucius to look at some of the other schools of thought that contended with each other during the Spring and Autumn Period of the Zhou Dynasty. This included the School of Names and the Sophists, featuring an amusing story about Deng Xi. We also see how the Confucian classics became a pathway to a career in the government. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
This time we move beyond Confucius to look at some of the other schools of thought that contended with each other during the Spring and Autumn Period of the Zhou Dynasty. This included the School of Names and the Sophists, featuring an amusing story about Deng Xi. We also see how the Confucian classics became a pathway to a career in the government. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
This time we move beyond Confucius to look at some of the other schools of thought that contended with each other during the Spring and Autumn Period of the Zhou Dynasty. This included the School of Names and the Sophists, featuring an amusing story about Deng Xi. We also see how the Confucian classics became a pathway to a career in the government. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Most of what we know about the greatest of the Sophists, Protagoras, comes from Plato. Whether, then, what we know about him accurately reflects the reality, we cannot be certain. He was, certainly, one of the most famous itinerant teachers of rhetoric in classical Greece. He is most famous for the line, "Man is the measure of all things," as quoted by Socrates/Plato in the dialogue Theatetus, a dialogue that we hope to read for Simple Gifts at a later date. In this dialogue, the famous but aged rhetorician, encounters Socrates while staying at the home of Callias, a wealthy Athenian. Many other characters are featured or present, including several other prominent Sophists. If you enjoy our content, consider donating through PayPal via https://ko-fi.com/thechristianatheist Take a moment to enjoy our weekly Photos of the Day videos here - short slideshows with relaxing music ...https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_9GPi4HTqoZ8xFgTldbBaA https://www.youtube.com/c/TheChristianAtheist/featured https://www.facebook.com/JnJWiseWords https://wisewordsforyouroccasion.wordpress.com #thechristianatheist #drjohndwise #drjohnwise #johnwise #christian #atheist #christianity #atheism #jesus #jesuschrist #god #bible #oldtestament #newtestament #nocompromise #rationality #faith #philosophy #philosopher #culture #society #hegelism #hegelianism #hegel #reason #incarnation #history#psychology #theology #literature #humanities #hardquestions #postmodernism #woke #wisdom #ethics #science #poetry #paradox #oxymoron
Most of what we know about the greatest of the Sophists, Protagoras, comes from Plato. Whether, then, what we know about him accurately reflects the reality, we cannot be certain. He was, certainly, one of the most famous itinerant teachers of rhetoric in classical Greece. He is most famous for the line, "Man is the measure of all things," as quoted by Socrates/Plato in the dialogue Theatetus, a dialogue that we hope to read for Simple Gifts at a later date. In this dialogue, the famous but aged rhetorician, encounters Socrates while staying at the home of Callias, a wealthy Athenian. Many other characters are featured or present, including several other prominent Sophists. If you enjoy our content, consider donating through PayPal via https://ko-fi.com/thechristianatheist Take a moment to enjoy our weekly Photos of the Day videos here - short slideshows with relaxing music ...https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_9GPi4HTqoZ8xFgTldbBaA https://www.youtube.com/c/TheChristianAtheist/featured https://www.facebook.com/JnJWiseWords https://wisewordsforyouroccasion.wordpress.com #thechristianatheist #drjohndwise #drjohnwise #johnwise #christian #atheist #christianity #atheism #jesus #jesuschrist #god #bible #oldtestament #newtestament #nocompromise #rationality #faith #philosophy #philosopher #culture #society #hegelism #hegelianism #hegel #reason #incarnation #history#psychology #theology #literature #humanities #hardquestions #postmodernism #woke #wisdom #ethics #science #poetry #paradox #oxymoron
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Most of what we know about the greatest of the Sophists, Protagoras, comes from Plato. Whether, then, what we know about him accurately reflects the reality, we cannot be certain. He was, certainly, one of the most famous itinerant teachers of rhetoric in classical Greece. He is most famous for the line, "Man is the measure of all things," as quoted by Socrates/Plato in the dialogue Theatetus, a dialogue that we hope to read for Simple Gifts at a later date. In this dialogue, the famous but aged rhetorician, encounters Socrates while staying at the home of Callias, a wealthy Athenian. Many other characters are featured or present, including several other prominent Sophists. If you enjoy our content, consider donating through PayPal via https://ko-fi.com/thechristianatheist Take a moment to enjoy our weekly Photos of the Day videos here - short slideshows with relaxing music ...https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_9GPi4HTqoZ8xFgTldbBaA https://www.youtube.com/c/TheChristianAtheist/featured https://www.facebook.com/JnJWiseWords https://wisewordsforyouroccasion.wordpress.com #thechristianatheist #drjohndwise #drjohnwise #johnwise #christian #atheist #christianity #atheism #jesus #jesuschrist #god #bible #oldtestament #newtestament #nocompromise #rationality #faith #philosophy #philosopher #culture #society #hegelism #hegelianism #hegel #reason #incarnation #history#psychology #theology #literature #humanities #hardquestions #postmodernism #woke #wisdom #ethics #science #poetry #paradox #oxymoron
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Most of what we know about the greatest of the Sophists, Protagoras, comes from Plato. Whether, then, what we know about him accurately reflects the reality, we cannot be certain. He was, certainly, one of the most famous itinerant teachers of rhetoric in classical Greece. He is most famous for the line, "Man is the measure of all things," as quoted by Socrates/Plato in the dialogue Theatetus, a dialogue that we hope to read for Simple Gifts at a later date. In this dialogue, the famous but aged rhetorician, encounters Socrates while staying at the home of Callias, a wealthy Athenian. Many other characters are featured or present, including several other prominent Sophists.
Most of what we know about the greatest of the Sophists, Protagoras, comes from Plato. Whether, then, what we know about him accurately reflects the reality, we cannot be certain. He was, certainly, one of the most famous itinerant teachers of rhetoric in classical Greece. He is most famous for the line, "Man is the measure of all things," as quoted by Socrates/Plato in the dialogue Theatetus, a dialogue that we hope to read for Simple Gifts at a later date. In this dialogue, the famous but aged rhetorician, encounters Socrates while staying at the home of Callias, a wealthy Athenian. Many other characters are featured or present, including several other prominent Sophists.
Finally, we come to the last words of the first verse of the first chapter of Genesis. “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”With these words comes an inversion that tips over ye olde pagan worldview and also the modern secular worldview. The order here is important. Ordering often has great importance in the Bible, especially once we get to the days of creation and the Commandments. Creation is an act of ordering, and we have a bad habit of disordering that creation. But I won't get ahead of my inversions - let's first look to the heavens. Notice that heavens is first. Earth is mentioned second. Consider how strange it sounds to reverse the order. Read this aloud:“In the beginning God created the earth and the heavens.” Just saying it that way feels strange. I have a bad taste in my mouth now. Yuck. The other creation stories are like drinking orange juice after brushing your teeth. Genesis asserts the reverse. The bible drinks the orange juice at breakfast before brushing with toothpaste. This is the proper order. This may appear inconsequential, but like all the inversions, it matters far beyond mere words in a book, because the right posture of humility before God requires it. In many creation stories, earth comes first. Genesis shoots that idea down like a clay pigeon in this opening line. In the Greek myths, Chaos and the Abyss are the first things, but then the Greeks go even farther in their wager. Earth (Gaia) pops into existence before the Sky God (Uranus). In other words, earth creates itself. Only after earth is born do the heavens arrive. This is incorrect. Heaven is God's first and essential act of creation, as opposed to the second creation of the visible world. God is first. Heaven is created first. Another way of saying this is: heaven is over and above and before earth. In some translations the word heaven is singular, but in most it is plural. (We'll get to this plural/singular question in the next inversion.) But plural or singular, one thing is always true: heaven comes before earth. Heaven was created before earth, by God, who existed before both. This is intentional. Just as there are no accidents in Hollywood, there are no accidents in Genesis. Genesis, in one single opening sentence, has set the entire Bible in opposition to every religious system that surrounds the people of Moses. A great deal of order can be derived from this first sentence of the Bible. This single line may pick a fight across the entire world, but that is not the intention. To argue with the ancient world is not the point. To refute our modern ideas is also not the aim. The aim of these words is to speak the truth aloud, despite the consequences. Once again, the purpose of scripture is not to set the world right-side-up, but to set our eyes right-side-up so that we can see reality properly. Everything is as God made it, only we are upside down or sideways most of the time. The ancient myths and the secular world today are trying to sell you a bad pair of glasses while holding you upside-down. They are offering orange juice after you have already brushed. Before Genesis was written, all the differing ideas about our origin story had already been told. Widely different origin stories existed then and today because we can arrive at different conclusions. Nothing is new under the sun. The sacred writer of Genesis was not the first person to think of “God created the heavens and the earth,” but the writer was the first one inspired by God to record it for the purpose of setting the truth in a form that could be passed on by scribbling, not solely by voice. All ideas that we think are new are old. No idea is original at this point. Ideas are just reintroduced, shined up like a dusty apple for the current generation to eat. Usually, in the reintroduction, the ideas are only made more confusing. Truly, before humans began writing, every idea of modern philosophy had already been told and tried. Every upside-down worldview has had its day, and the reason they never stick and stay is because it's hard to pretend the upside-down is the right way to be. The upside-down doesn't work in practice because it refutes reality. You may pretend that rocks are not real, only projections of the mind, but stub your toe on the rock and you will know that the only thing that wasn't real was your imagination. What's different about Genesis is that it is a book that lasts because it is the written word of God, which is to say, it is the truth. This is why people who have followed the wrong path return to the path of sacred scripture. This is the same reason why mathematical formulas stick around. The reason why Pythagoras' theorem lasts is because it is correct. The theorem cannot be modified to suit imagination. It is simple, beautiful, and true, and it can be applied to the real world. Basic math is a terrific illustration of spiritual truths because it cannot lie. Let's consider the Pythagorean theorem, which describes a triangle's sides. This upsets no one, because it is so easily shown as true, even with a simple diagram using squares on the sides of the triangle. a2 + b2 = c2You cannot write the theorem in another order, or it breaks. The order is critical, where c is the longest side of the triangle. In the image, side c must be at the end of the equation. The following re-arrangement would not produce a correct result. Anyone building a house or measuring distances would make a mess using this incorrect theorem, given the three sides shown in the image:a2 + c2 = b2 You cannot disorder the sides and get the correct triangle. For instance, if the shorter sides of the triangle are 3 and 4 inches long, the longest side of the triangle is 5 inches long. Correct: 32 + 42 = 52 Incorrect: 32 + 52 = 42 The incorrect equation is an absurdity. It fails in the mind and in the real world. When I was learning to program C++ in college, my favorite error message was the dramatic-sounding segmentation fault (core dumped). This would happen when a program I had written (poorly) attempted to access a memory address that didn't exist. The code I had written in the text editor was a representation of what I thought would work in practice. In other words, it was an idea in a text editor, not a physical reality in live memory. But once executed, the code came to life and quickly died, because what I had concocted on the screen was incorrect. A flaw in the design caused a devastating error that dumped the process. There were other errors that came from impossible attempts made in my code, like dividing by zero, but a segmentation fault broke the program in an abrupt fashion, like when mechanics say that an engine has “thrown a rod.” To “throw a rod” or hit a “segmentation fault” is to have violated certain truths of math and physics. The incorrect equation for a triangle is a violation of the truth of mathematics, and if used in the real world, it would “throw a rod” or hit a “segmentation fault (core dumped)” error. In essence, the opening line of Genesis, like the Pythagorean theorem, declares spiritual truth in the same way. Pythagoras is declaring a mathematical objective truth with his formula, and Genesis declares a spiritual truth.If you change the order of “God created the heavens and the earth” you end up with a segmentation fault or a thrown rod as well. At the very least, you move toward a misshapen worldview, just as an error in the theorem creates a misshaped triangle. It does not match reality. Likewise, you cannot square a circle, nor circle a square. This is even impossible for God. You may protest, “But all things are possible with God!” Yes, except for untruth. God is the Sheer Act of Being Itself and God is Truth. Like the Pythagorean theorem, God is also simple, good, and beautiful. A circle cannot be squared. Invalid memory addresses cannot be accessed. A brittle piston rod cannot withstand engine pressures. A triangle cannot have a shape that misfits the proper formula. And earth cannot come before heaven. Pythagoras found one of God's great tricks of geometry, and surely he was not the first, but he was the first to be famous for it, despite it actually being a truth from God, not Pythagoras. He was the first to be widely read, like the sacred author of Genesis, but the truth of “heavens over earth” was known before the age of writing arrived. Numbers (not the book of Numbers, but the numbers used in arithmetic) provide a wonderful method of thinking about God and immaterial things, like heaven. Numbers are not things I can pick up and move from my kitchen to my bedroom. I can pick up two cats, but I can't pick up the number two. We can contemplate the idea of “heavens” by using numbers because they are invisible, unseen things, but we know they are very real. These odd things called numbers have no bodies but have real applications and effects in our material world, where we do have bodies. We cannot use the wrong equation in immaterial numbers and then apply it to the real world because a material triangle will not comply with an incorrect representation of the triangle. In other words, objectively wrong ideas are not a thing - they are nothing. Let me try to explain. If an architect of the Flatiron building in New York City had drawn a blueprint but put the wrong dimensions on each side of his triangle building, the construction company could not have poured the footings to match the dimensions on the drawing. The physical world cannot fit with imagined falsehoods. This is why objective truth matters both in math and in spiritual physics. As long as people have lived, however, we have resisted ideas of objective truth. This is why Socrates and Jesus were both put to death - for not playing along with the imaginary truths of the Sophists, for not playing along with the subjective truth of Pilate and Caiaphas. To speak of objective truths in a world that resists them is to invite anger. If you fully adhere to objective truth, you will be hated. One thing is for sure: it is not the British who first had a stiff upper lip, it was surely Abraham and his descendants, particularly Moses and his court for writing these truths down, because to record and speak these things invited anger, just as it does today. This inversion may not seem relevant today, but like Pythagoras theorem, the order of “the heavens and the earth” is as relevant now as it was in Canaan or Greece. Moreover, if you scratch the fresh paint of modern sacred things with your fingernail, you can find that the old paint job of Gaia's primacy is just beneath the surface. But it is the wrong formula and does not work. “Earth First” has returned for many people. During the Renaissance through the Enlightenment, the chattering classes got high on an old philosophy that tossed out God, and many held that the heavens do not exist at all. Classical antiquity became all the rage for some, and Gaia, or Earth, made a comeback. This was most obvious in what we built in our cities, because when the West believed in “Heaven First,” the biggest building projects were cathedrals glorifying God. When we switched to the “Earth First” disorder, we began building skyscrapers, government buildings (that looked like cathedrals), and stadiums for sports. St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York was the last big project for God, which now sits under the shadow of so many towers, like the Empire State Building and the World Trade Center, the UN building, Madison Square Garden, and Yankee Stadium. However, it wasn't just the builders who shifted to “Earth First.” Truly, the intellectual class has relentlessly tried to invert Genesis and either cancel the idea of heaven altogether or tell us that we need not worry about this unseen realm. We are five hundred years into this process now. We have mostly forgotten about heaven, because we live as if it does not exist, yet at funerals we declare that every deceased person's soul is there. We are godless in how we live, acting as if heaven is not a concern, then suddenly universalists at funerals, where God is just a version of Oprah Winfrey (everyone gets a new car just for showing up). Yet, the upheaval of modernity's blessing of all sins is revealing to people which side of the chasm they want to be on when the collapse comes. As the chasm widens between right and wrong, truth and untruth, Jesus and Pilate, people are reacting and changing sides while they still can. To be on the side of the Pythagorean theorem is to be on the side of “Heaven First.” Some feel that a “Heaven First” view is finally coming back. If that's true, it's happening slowly, but then there are wonderful, wild conversion events like with “Our Lady of Guadalupe” where the efforts of missionaries and evangelists hardly move the needle, while God re-enters our lives with a lovely picture presented by a peasant like St. Juan Diego, and suddenly millions once again recognize that the “Heaven First” viewpoint is the truth. We are seeing the result today of a world that has rejected the spiritual mathematical formula of “God created the heavens and the earth.” Like the example of the architect drawing the Flatiron building triangle with invalid dimensions, a world built on bad math and untruth becomes visible. To use biblical terms, it bears “bad fruit.” We all know what bad fruit looks and tastes like. The error of “Earth First” is becoming more plain by the day. Look no further than the transgender craze to see modern Sophistry at work, yet even this craze is not new but has a history in the ancient cult of Cybele. If someone cries out, “The cult of Cybele was absurd,” that will not bring a mob to his house today. But for those who speak out against the mutilation fad of middle-schoolers invites active, living hatred. But as an advocate of both “Heavens First” and the Pythagorean theorem, it's impossible for me not to speak or write about both, because I think Cybele's followers were wrong just as I disagree with the living, modern version of Cybele's cult that mutilates children. Like Jeremiah, the prophet, I would like to stay silent to avoid the burning hatred of the world, but I cannot do that because to speak untruth feels dirty. It's like drinking orange juice after toothpaste every day, instead of the other way around. It's gross. Most of all, to speak untruth means I have abandoned God. I would rather abandon the Pythagorean theorem than God, but I can't abandon the theorem either, because it came from God. This causes a problem for believers in both the integers and God. Jeremiah, under persecution, wanted to stop talking about the truth of God to save himself some pain, but the burden of objective truth was too much and he had to speak or he would explode. He declares that he would like to stop talking about the truth of God to avoid the ridicule of others and save himself the headaches, but the fire burns within him to speak:“I will not mention him, or speak any more in his name,”then within me there is something like a burning fire shut up in my bones;I am weary with holding it in, and I cannot.” (Jer 20:9)I can relate, although I am more cowardly than Jeremiah. Today, to argue against the media and professors, both of whom insist on a materialistic worldview, is to be a modern prophet. To be a prophet is not to predict the future, it is just to declare truth, like the Pythagorean theorem and God creating heaven before earth. Oddly enough, many atheists now sound like Jeremiah because they understand the implications of mathematics and objective truth. This has been a fascinating turn of events. I marvel as it unfolds, as atheists like James Lindsay and Jordan Peterson sound like devout Catholics. This is why I do appreciate atheists. God bless them. They cut away all the fluff that stands between the two options of 1.) God Most High or 2.) nothing. I feel that if most atheists properly understood the formula called “creation ex nihilo,” they would be suddenly re-attached to the tree of life and chugging God's grace like a bong at a college party. I pray they are all at the next Easter Vigil service where they can join their terrific sense of reason to a newfound faith that makes them whole. The prophets are not that strange after all, because they speak truth. The prophets arise at times of disorder because, like Jeremiah, it's impossible not to speak of the order of God's creation. These prophets are not the crazy ones, but the last remaining sane ones. Jonah, the reluctant prophet, must speak, despite wanting to hide like Jeremiah. He doesn't want to, but he does. Why is that? Because he can't avoid the truth. The prophets are like Socrates and Jesus, who are the most sane people in all of history, and both Socrates and Jesus were very much “Heavens First” in their theology. Plato's Timaeus has a Socrates that sounds an awful lot like Genesis 1:1. This is sanity. Reading the tales of mythology is wonderful entertainment, but nothing to take seriously - they are like Marvel movies: fun to watch, but unbelievable, and not aligned with reality. The reason Jeremiah may seem crazy is that he is speaking objective spiritual truth to a world of Sophists, to a world that worships the wrong “order,” like in the book of Judges that repeats the ominous line throughout: “In those days there was no king in Israel; every man did what was right in his own eyes.” In an age of unbelief, however, it seems natural that people would be more concerned about the material world than the immaterial heaven. But this is only due to people not thinking deeply about their first principles, of which way is up (Hint: Heaven is up). They are flipped over because the advertisements spin them around. They are merely thinking about what they desire and calling it good. In other words, they have rejected God to do “what is right in their own eyes,” as the book of Judges repeats over and over. The naturalistic worldview, where God is not alive nor involved seeks all its answers in the chemical and biological, not in the spiritual. Yet not only the materialists do this - so do lukewarm spiritual people, where the desires of the flesh are projected onto God. Merely declaring “Heaven First” does not cure the error, but it is the first step on the path to wellness and sanity. Many people today complain about the politics of “America First” while in the next breath, they preach sermons of “Earth First.” But I am a keeper of the old code, of “Heaven First.” This is probably why my social life is limited. I reject both “America First” and “Earth First.” I definitely reject “Self First,” which is the most sacred belief of our age. The “Heaven First” view isn't a popular worldview today, but I grew up in the late 80's and early 90's. Listening to hundreds of hours of Nirvana's Nevermind album ingrained in me an ironclad belief that popularity is for sell-outs. The ancient religions are never far away. They don't actually die. In fact, ancient people didn't even know what the word “religion” meant, because the word was invented only a few hundred years ago. Religion is not where you go on Sunday for one hour, it's how you live every day. It's not just an add-on product or opinion or something done in private. We don't really know what religion is today because we've tried to cordon it off like a coat room, and while we point at religion in the coat room, we are actually living our true religion and calling it something else. Thus, with the myriad lifestyles and behaviors today, rest assured that everything from the Bronze Age is still here, but those ways and views have just taken on new names. While we may chuckle at stories about “Gaia” from the ancients, we do not chuckle about the chilling tales and dogmatic belief systems of climate change as handed down from those in lab coats and preached by the scribes of the laptop class. To challenge any assumptions about carbon credits (which are a parallel of what Protestants think Indulgences are in the Catholic faith) or sustainable planning is to invite a mob upon you. Attack the sacred things and you will be attacked. Why? Because the sacred things go back to the order of creation: who created what, when, and why. Thus if you subscribe to “Earth First” then you have a shield against spiritual things. Worse, you have an elevated sense of importance, also known as pride (as opposed to humility), and we will get to that nefarious inversion later. “Earth First” is alive and well. Books about Gaia have been all over the place in the past decade. Mother Earth is worshipped by millions, and while our earth is very good, it was not first. Genesis in its boldness says, “Heaven First.” However, this does not mean, “Earth is not important.” All of creation is important, as the whole is greater than the parts. This is true in geometry, bodies, families, marriages, communities, and God's whole creation. But there is an order of precedence, of how God created everything. If you error in this inversion, more errors will follow. This is why I'm writing this series on inversions, because the errors accumulate, where one wrong turn leads to another. The Catholic cosmology is not arbitrary or strange, it is just not understood or discussed because of the many layers of distractions that clutter our minds, due to centuries of misinformation about what the Church actually teaches, and what the truth really is. Moving on, let's look at the second inversion that comes with the words “the heavens and the earth.” Why is “heavens” plural? Further reading:On Earth as It Is in HeavenHeaven - Catholic EncyclopediaWhat is heaven?Catechism 1029-1029 This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit whydidpetersink.substack.com
Most of what we know about the greatest of the Sophists, Protagoras, comes from Plato. Whether, then, what we know about him accurately reflects the reality, we cannot be certain. He was, certainly, one of the most famous itinerant teachers of rhetoric in classical Greece. He is most famous for the line, "Man is the measure of all things," as quoted by Socrates/Plato in the dialogue Theatetus, a dialogue that we hope to read for Simple Gifts at a later date. In this dialogue, the famous but aged rhetorician, encounters Socrates while staying at the home of Callias, a wealthy Athenian. Many other characters are featured or present, including several other prominent Sophists.
Most of what we know about the greatest of the Sophists, Protagoras, comes from Plato. Whether, then, what we know about him accurately reflects the reality, we cannot be certain. He was, certainly, one of the most famous itinerant teachers of rhetoric in classical Greece. He is most famous for the line, "Man is the measure of all things," as quoted by Socrates/Plato in the dialogue Theatetus, a dialogue that we hope to read for Simple Gifts at a later date. In this dialogue, the famous but aged rhetorician, encounters Socrates while staying at the home of Callias, a wealthy Athenian. Many other characters are featured or present, including several other prominent Sophists.
Most of what we know about the greatest of the Sophists, Protagoras, comes from Plato. Whether, then, what we know about him accurately reflects the reality, we cannot be certain. He was, certainly, one of the most famous itinerant teachers of rhetoric in classical Greece. He is most famous for the line, "Man is the measure of all things," as quoted by Socrates/Plato in the dialogue Theatetus, a dialogue that we hope to read for Simple Gifts at a later date. In this dialogue, the famous but aged rhetorician, encounters Socrates while staying at the home of Callias, a wealthy Athenian. Many other characters are featured or present, including several other prominent Sophists.
QUIDDITY English transliteration of the Latin quidditas, meaning "whatness"; in scholastic usage it designates a thing's essence taken precisely in its capacity to inform the intellect of the answer to the question "what is it?" Related Terms. At most a virtual minor distinction obtains between essence and quiddity: essence is the thing as capacity for existence, whereas quiddity is the thing as capacity to instruct the intellect. The quiddity of a thing, if definable, is analytically expressed in its real definition by its genus and specific difference. As such it is similar to, but more exact than, nature in boethius's first sense: "anything that can be grasped (by the intellect) in any way whatever" (De persona et duabus naturis 1; Patrologia Latina, 64:1341BC). Nature, in the more etymological and Aristotelian sense, is closer to essence than to quiddity inasmuch as nature signifies a thing's principle of operation—effective only through existence. Such are the comparisons between these terms suggested by St. thomas aquinas (De ente 1, 3). To these he adds form and Aristotle's phrase "the what was to be" (τò τί [symbol omitted]ν ε[symbol omitted]ναι, quod quid erat esse ). He defines the form that is convertible with essence and quiddity as "the complete essential determination" of a thing. This is the "form of the whole" (forma totius, ε[symbol omitted]δος) according to the Avicennian interpretation of book seven of the Metaphysics —an interpretation rejected by Averroës but accepted by St. Thomas (In 7 meta. 9. 1467–69). Form in this sense includes the matter as universalizable as well as the "form of the part" (forma partis, μορφή), the substantial form as distinct from matter (see matter and form). Form thus expresses the completeness of an essence's specification in itself with respect both to existence and to intellect, and in the latter respect is synonymous with quiddity. Some modern scholars concur independently in the Averroist interpretation that Aristotle excludes matter altogether from the notion of form or species and its equivalent, "the what was to be." But St. Thomas insists that Aristotle holds its inclusion necessary in the case of natural substances, since it must be included universally in their definition (In 7 meta. 9.1468; In I anim. 1.24–29). Aristotelian Meaning. The term quidditas, coined in the 12th century in translations of Avicenna into Latin and possibly also in paraphrasing the Topics, stems ultimately from Aristotle's own phrase "the what was to be." From its grammar and from the probable places of its earliest appearance (Topica101b 22, 132a 1), it originated in a context of dialectics and predication and was designed as a verbal sort of variable representing the full answer to any Socratic question as to what a thing is, for example, man, virtue, the Sophist, etc. The particular reference of the phrase can be specified in any context by adding a dative, for example, "the what was it for a man to be," or "the being characteristic of man." This full answer, Aristotle says, is expressed in the definition of the thing in question. As such the phrase must be distinguished from another Aristotelian one, "the what is it" (τò τί ἐστι, quod quid est ), of wider range, since it not only may refer to the complete formula or definition but may also be satisfied by any one of its parts taken separately—genus, matter, difference, or form. Grammatically, the past tense, "was" ([symbol omitted]ν, erat ), has a habitual or transtemporal sense, indicating the specifying, or formal, identity of the essence with respect to any individual of that essence at any time (Meta. 1031a 15–32a 11, esp. 32a 5; Aquinas, In 7 meta. 5) or, in the case of the separate substances, beyond time. Going Boldly Where The Last Man has Gone Before! Decrease time over target: PayPal or Venmo @clastronaut Cash App $clastronaut
This week, Jeff and Dave continue on their stroll through the wonders of Marrou's volume on ancient education. Specifically, they look at Chapter V and the question of the Sophists. Men like Protagoras, Gorgias, and Prodicus were doing something new and unusual at the close of the fifth century, no doubt. And that something was -- wait for it -- selling education! Many arch-conservatives like Plato and Aristophanes did not take to it kindly. But is there any way to sort the wheat from the chaff? How can we know that what Plato tells us about the Sophists is the genuine article, and not just some envious hyperbole? Were these traveling salesman peddling snake oil, or could they really teach how to govern a state properly, the πολιτικὴ τέχνη. And if so, does that constitute ἐπιστήμη? Come along for a lively discussion, complete with the usual round of questionable puns, absurd asides, and just a dash of inanity. Before long, you'll be eating at the Midway food court just like the rest of us. Did someone say M-Burger?
Most of what we know about the greatest of the Sophists, Protagoras, comes from Plato. Whether, then, what we know about him accurately reflects the reality, we cannot be certain. He was, certainly, one of the most famous itinerant teachers of rhetoric in classical Greece. He is most famous for the line, "Man is the measure of all things," as quoted by Socrates/Plato in the dialogue Theatetus, a dialogue that we hope to read for Simple Gifts at a later date. In this dialogue, the famous but aged rhetorician, encounters Socrates while staying at the home of Callias, a wealthy Athenian. Many other characters are featured or present, including several other prominent Sophists.
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Most of what we know about the greatest of the Sophists, Protagoras, comes from Plato. Whether, then, what we know about him accurately reflects the reality, we cannot be certain. He was, certainly, one of the most famous itinerant teachers of rhetoric in classical Greece. He is most famous for the line, "Man is the measure of all things," as quoted by Socrates/Plato in the dialogue Theatetus, a dialogue that we hope to read for Simple Gifts at a later date. In this dialogue, the famous but aged rhetorician, encounters Socrates while staying at the home of Callias, a wealthy Athenian. Many other characters are featured or present, including several other prominent Sophists.
Having not taught Plato's Gorgias since graduate school in the '90's, I had forgotten how rich and important this dialogue is to the Western tradition. Having now recorded the whole dialogue for Simple Gifts, I am delighted to share it with you. Gorgias was one of the most famous Sophists in the time of Classical Greece. He was one of a number of traveling teachers of the discipline of rhetoric, the art of persuasive speech. The ability to persuade others to agree with you, regardless of the truth of what you are persuading them of, has given us our modern understanding of the term "sophistry" as persuasive, clever speech that is nevertheless dishonest and misleading. Obviously, this ability is most valuable for two professions, lawyers and politicians. Socrates (and by extension Plato) thinks that the true purpose of speech and dialogue is the discovery of truth, not persuasion. Philosophy, then, is a true art, whereas rhetoric is, as Socrates declares, a sort of flattery. In much of the dialogue, Gorgias is rather a passive listener to the discussion than an active participant, but those who are Socrates' persistent interlocutors (Polus and Callicles) are most definitely maintaining the Sophist position. The dialogue is set in the house of Callicles. Enjoy! If you enjoy our content, why not buy us a cup of coffee? via https://ko-fi.com/thechristianatheist #plato, #socrates, #platoandsocrates, #socratesandplato, #love, #symposium, #republic, #westerntradition, #philosophy, #rationality, #drjohndwise, #philosopher, #philosophical, #philosophicalauthor #westerntraditionphilosophy, #traditionalphilosophy, #foundations, #foundationalphilosopher, #foundationaltext, #platosrepublic, #philosophy, #dialogue, #dialogues, #greekphilosophy, #ancientgreekphilosophy, #athens, #platonicdialogue, #platonic, #ancientgreeks, #ancientgreece,#hellen, #hellenistic, #athenian, #atheniantradition, #greekcivilization, #greeksociety, #greekhistory #euthyphro #plato #socrates #socraticdialogue #trialofsocrates #piety #justice #aporia #socraticirony #onthesoul #phaedo #plato #socrates #ancientgreek #ancientgreece #greek #greece #apology #republic #gorgias #dialectic
Having not taught Plato's Gorgias since graduate school in the '90's, I had forgotten how rich and important this dialogue is to the Western tradition. Having now recorded the whole dialogue for Simple Gifts, I am delighted to share it with you. Gorgias was one of the most famous Sophists in the time of Classical Greece. He was one of a number of traveling teachers of the discipline of rhetoric, the art of persuasive speech. The ability to persuade others to agree with you, regardless of the truth of what you are persuading them of, has given us our modern understanding of the term "sophistry" as persuasive, clever speech that is nevertheless dishonest and misleading. Obviously, this ability is most valuable for two professions, lawyers and politicians. Socrates (and by extension Plato) thinks that the true purpose of speech and dialogue is the discovery of truth, not persuasion. Philosophy, then, is a true art, whereas rhetoric is, as Socrates declares, a sort of flattery. In much of the dialogue, Gorgias is rather a passive listener to the discussion than an active participant, but those who are Socrates' persistent interlocutors (Polus and Callicles) are most definitely maintaining the Sophist position. The dialogue is set in the house of Callicles. Enjoy! If you enjoy our content, why not buy us a cup of coffee? via https://ko-fi.com/thechristianatheist #plato, #socrates, #platoandsocrates, #socratesandplato, #love, #symposium, #republic, #westerntradition, #philosophy, #rationality, #drjohndwise, #philosopher, #philosophical, #philosophicalauthor #westerntraditionphilosophy, #traditionalphilosophy, #foundations, #foundationalphilosopher, #foundationaltext, #platosrepublic, #philosophy, #dialogue, #dialogues, #greekphilosophy, #ancientgreekphilosophy, #athens, #platonicdialogue, #platonic, #ancientgreeks, #ancientgreece,#hellen, #hellenistic, #athenian, #atheniantradition, #greekcivilization, #greeksociety, #greekhistory #euthyphro #plato #socrates #socraticdialogue #trialofsocrates #piety #justice #aporia #socraticirony #onthesoul #phaedo #plato #socrates #ancientgreek #ancientgreece #greek #greece #apology #republic #gorgias #dialectic
Having not taught Plato's Gorgias since graduate school in the '90's, I had forgotten how rich and important this dialogue is to the Western tradition. Having now recorded the whole dialogue for Simple Gifts, I am delighted to share it with you. Gorgias was one of the most famous Sophists in the time of Classical Greece. He was one of a number of traveling teachers of the discipline of rhetoric, the art of persuasive speech. The ability to persuade others to agree with you, regardless of the truth of what you are persuading them of, has given us our modern understanding of the term "sophistry" as persuasive, clever speech that is nevertheless dishonest and misleading. Obviously, this ability is most valuable for two professions, lawyers and politicians. Socrates (and by extension Plato) thinks that the true purpose of speech and dialogue is the discovery of truth, not persuasion. Philosophy, then, is a true art, whereas rhetoric is, as Socrates declares, a sort of flattery. In much of the dialogue, Gorgias is rather a passive listener to the discussion than an active participant, but those who are Socrates' persistent interlocutors (Polus and Callicles) are most definitely maintaining the Sophist position. The dialogue is set in the house of Callicles. Enjoy! If you enjoy our content, why not buy us a cup of coffee? via https://ko-fi.com/thechristianatheist #plato, #socrates, #platoandsocrates, #socratesandplato, #love, #symposium, #republic, #westerntradition, #philosophy, #rationality, #drjohndwise, #philosopher, #philosophical, #philosophicalauthor #westerntraditionphilosophy, #traditionalphilosophy, #foundations, #foundationalphilosopher, #foundationaltext, #platosrepublic, #philosophy, #dialogue, #dialogues, #greekphilosophy, #ancientgreekphilosophy, #athens, #platonicdialogue, #platonic, #ancientgreeks, #ancientgreece,#hellen, #hellenistic, #athenian, #atheniantradition, #greekcivilization, #greeksociety, #greekhistory #euthyphro #plato #socrates #socraticdialogue #trialofsocrates #piety #justice #aporia #socraticirony #onthesoul #phaedo #plato #socrates #ancientgreek #ancientgreece #greek #greece #apology #republic #gorgias #dialectic
Today we continue with our inquiry into rhetoric and dialectic, with Robert Pirsig's Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. Pirsig, like Nietzsche, saw himself as a modern-day Sophist, and part of his work was the rescue of the Sophistic school from the ill repute visited upon them by the Socratics. Perhaps more expansively, Pirsig devotes his philosophical work to the question, “What is quality?”, drawing on the Greek concept of arete, or excellence. His philosophical ideas do not come to us through a dispassionate treatise, however, but through an autobiographical novel. Pirsig was treated with electroshock therapy, leaving him with a new personality, and the feeling that the person he once was is dead: he merely happens to carry the blurry memories of another man. While on a motorcycle trip with his son, Pirsig struggles to unify the dichotomy between classical and romantic, between substance and form, between the two personalities within himself, and between himself and his son. This work remains one of the most important philosophical contributions to American literature in the 20th century, and hopefully today I can show all of you why this work of “pop philosophy” is one of my favorite books, and one to which I regularly return.
Having not taught Plato's Gorgias since graduate school in the '90's, I had forgotten how rich and important this dialogue is to the Western tradition. Having now recorded the whole dialogue for Simple Gifts, I am delighted to share it with you. Gorgias was one of the most famous Sophists in the time of Classical Greece. He was one of a number of traveling teachers of the discipline of rhetoric, the art of persuasive speech. The ability to persuade others to agree with you, regardless of the truth of what you are persuading them of, has given us our modern understanding of the term "sophistry" as persuasive, clever speech that is nevertheless dishonest and misleading. Obviously, this ability is most valuable for two professions, lawyers and politicians. Socrates (and by extension Plato) thinks that the true purpose of speech and dialogue is the discovery of truth, not persuasion. Philosophy, then, is a true art, whereas rhetoric is, as Socrates declares, a sort of flattery. In much of the dialogue, Gorgias is rather a passive listener to the discussion than an active participant, but those who are Socrates' persistent interlocutors (Polus and Callicles) are most definitely maintaining the Sophist position. The dialogue is set in the house of Callicles. Enjoy! If you enjoy our content, why not buy us a cup of coffee? via https://ko-fi.com/thechristianatheist #plato, #socrates, #platoandsocrates, #socratesandplato, #love, #symposium, #republic, #westerntradition, #philosophy, #rationality, #drjohndwise, #philosopher, #philosophical, #philosophicalauthor #westerntraditionphilosophy, #traditionalphilosophy, #foundations, #foundationalphilosopher, #foundationaltext, #platosrepublic, #philosophy, #dialogue, #dialogues, #greekphilosophy, #ancientgreekphilosophy, #athens, #platonicdialogue, #platonic, #ancientgreeks, #ancientgreece,#hellen, #hellenistic, #athenian, #atheniantradition, #greekcivilization, #greeksociety, #greekhistory #euthyphro #plato #socrates #socraticdialogue #trialofsocrates #piety #justice #aporia #socraticirony #onthesoul #phaedo #plato #socrates #ancientgreek #ancientgreece #greek #greece #apology #republic #gorgias #dialectic
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Having not taught Plato's Gorgias since graduate school in the '90's, I had forgotten how rich and important this dialogue is to the Western tradition. Having now recorded the whole dialogue for Simple Gifts, I am delighted to share it with you. Gorgias was one of the most famous Sophists in the time of Classical Greece. He was one of a number of traveling teachers of the discipline of rhetoric, the art of persuasive speech. The ability to persuade others to agree with you, regardless of the truth of what you are persuading them of, has given us our modern understanding of the term "sophistry" as persuasive, clever speech that is nevertheless dishonest and misleading. Obviously, this ability is most valuable for two professions, lawyers and politicians. Socrates (and by extension Plato) thinks that the true purpose of speech and dialogue is the discovery of truth, not persuasion. Philosophy, then, is a true art, whereas rhetoric is, as Socrates declares, a sort of flattery. In much of the dialogue, Gorgias is rather a passive listener to the discussion than an active participant, but those who are Socrates' persistent interlocutors (Polus and Callicles) are most definitely maintaining the Sophist position. The dialogue is set in the house of Callicles. Enjoy! If you enjoy our content, why not buy us a cup of coffee? via https://ko-fi.com/thechristianatheist #plato, #socrates, #platoandsocrates, #socratesandplato, #love, #symposium, #republic, #westerntradition, #philosophy, #rationality, #drjohndwise, #philosopher, #philosophical, #philosophicalauthor #westerntraditionphilosophy, #traditionalphilosophy, #foundations, #foundationalphilosopher, #foundationaltext, #platosrepublic, #philosophy, #dialogue, #dialogues, #greekphilosophy, #ancientgreekphilosophy, #athens, #platonicdialogue, #platonic, #ancientgreeks, #ancientgreece,#hellen, #hellenistic, #athenian, #atheniantradition, #greekcivilization, #greeksociety, #greekhistory #euthyphro #plato #socrates #socraticdialogue #trialofsocrates #piety #justice #aporia #socraticirony #onthesoul #phaedo #plato #socrates #ancientgreek #ancientgreece #greek #greece #apology #republic #gorgias #dialectic
Socrates was a famous opponent of the Sophists, the teachers of rhetoric instead of truth - and yet, in his legal defense, he employs the techniques of rhetoric and displays a mastery of oratory. In a society that distrusted irony and regarded it as a form of dishonesty, Socrates uses the art of persuasion in a manner that is anti-persuasive: a brilliant irony that few of his judges would have understood, and resented if they had. While Nietzsche's later period is characterized by savage criticism of Socrates, Nietzsche describes Socrates as a heroic conqueror of death, in his lectures at Basel. Today we're going to dissect the rhetoric, the irony, and the deeper significance of Socrates' famous defense at his trial: the act of commitment to virtue in spite of the consequences, in defiance of the conventions of society and the sentiments of the majority. Episode art: Death of Socrates by Jacques-Louis David
In this thought-provoking episode, the podcast delves into various themes, juxtaposing seemingly unrelated topics like Subway and Jimmy Johns sandwiches, historical references to Hitler and the Luftwaffe, and the joy and challenges of romantic comedies. The central theme revolves around the teachings of Marcus Aurelius and Seneca, emphasizing the importance of logical and accurate analysis in spiritual growth and the dangers of assigning moral values to external events.Key points discussed include:Seeing Reality Objectively: The episode stresses the importance of simplicity and honesty as direct paths to truth. Decatastrophizing: The concept of "decatastrophizing" is explored through examples like invoices, breakups, and minor annoyances, emphasizing the distortion caused by labeling situations as catastrophic.Seneca's Wisdom: A powerful quote from Seneca urges listeners to approach life's universal challenges with equanimity, underlining that ease is a matter of perception and attitude.Speaking Objectively: The difference between Stoics, who value truth and reason, and Sophists, who appeal to emotions, is discussed. Common communication pitfalls like the use of emotive words, exaggeration, catastrophizing, and lying are highlighted.Conciseness and Objectivity: The episode shares a personal story about a road trip to Denver, illustrating the necessity of concise and objective communication, especially in challenging situations like car troubles.Throughout, the podcast intertwines philosophical insights with everyday examples, encouraging listeners to adopt a more objective, truthful, and straightforward approach to life and communication.
We go deep with the G.O.A.T. on the secrets behind his enduring philosophy, his feelings about Ancient Greece, and the killing of his beloved Socrates. Plato also chimes in on our present day obsession with mindless entertainment. Topics discussed: • The paradoxical nature of Ancient Athens • Socrates and “Know Thyself” • The Academy • Who were the Sophists? • The Socratic method • Was Socrates schizophrenic? • Fake news and the trial of Socrates • The Allegory of the Cave • Image-makers and mindless entertainment • Platonic love • What is knowledge? • Eudaimonia Subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. Thoughts? Dead guest suggestions? Email us at hello@iheardeadpeople.com or visit www.iheardeadpeople.com. And if you'd like your own urn-sized coffee mug featuring your favorite dead person, you can champion your luminary at this link.
Friends, in today's episode of “The Word on Fire Show,” we share Lecture 1 from Peter Kreeft's new 12-part video series on “Socrates' Children: The Great Debates of Philosophy.” In this lecture series, Dr. Peter Kreeft examines key ideas in philosophy by comparing and contrasting two representative philosophers in each lecture. The first lecture compares the father of philosophy, Socrates, with the Sophists, whose philosophy is marked more by cleverness and emotion rather than by wisdom and truth. This video series is being released alongside Word on Fire's new book series by Kreeft, titled Socrates' Children: An Introduction to Philosophy from the 100 Greatest Philosophers. In this four-volume series, Kreeft examines with his characteristic wit and clarity, the big ideas of four major eras—ancient, medieval, modern, and contemporary—and immerses the reader in the “great conversation” the ongoing dialogue among the great thinkers of history. Links Socrates' Children books + video series NOTE: Do you like this podcast? Become a patron and get some great perks for helping, like free books, bonus content, and more. Word on Fire is a non-profit ministry that depends on the support of our listeners…like you! So be part of this mission, and join us today!
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