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Ant, Phil and Andy recap the two season finales for URC and Super Rugby as well as the non-Test between the B&I Lions (minus Leinster) and Argentina (minus most of their first choice French clubbers). The Lions head off to Australia with more questions than answers but Ant like a good Brit thinks this might be a good thing. The Super Clubs of Leinster and the Crusaders add more trophies to their storied histories, and the Bulls bullies get taught a lesson at Choke, I mean Croke, Park. Meanwhile, attention turns to the Test window, with an appetizer in the form of the BaaBaas in Cape Town who have already run up significant bills at Caprice in Clifton if rumours are to be believed.
This week, much to our dismay, the Crusaders have done it again—another Super Rugby title, this time over the Chiefs. Meanwhile, Los Pumas pulled off a cracking win against the Lions in a game that had everything, and Razor Robertson has named his first All Blacks squad... complete with a few eyebrow-raisers.Plus, there's the usual helping of BS, distractions galore, and Mark has a therapeutic moment with some delightfully grumpy YouTube commenters.
The Telegraph Rugby Podcast is back ahead of the 2025 British and Irish Lions Tour to Australia!Alan Dymock, Charlie Morgan and Charles Richardson pick the bones out of an opening game defeat for Andy Farrell's side who were beaten 28-24 by Argentina in Dublin.They take a look at what went wrong on the night, and what positives there were to take out of the game with a number of players putting their hand up for test spot despite the loss.Next up is the first clash on Australian soil against the Western Force, we take a look at the threat posed by the Super Rugby side and what the Lions XV is likely to look like for that onePlus, we look back on England's narrow defeat to France at Twickenham and tackle all your burning questions as usual. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The celebrations are continuing in red and black country following the Crusaders Super Rugby triumph at the weekend. Crowds are gathering in central Christchurch this afternoon to catch a glimpse of the players with the Super Rugby trophy, back in their hands after a forgettable 2024 season. Reporter Adam Burns spoke to Lisa Owen.
The Super Rugby season is over with the Crusaders winning a record 13th title on Saturday night with a 16-12 win over the Chiefs in a tense final in Christchurch. Rugby reporter Joe Porter spoke to Corin Dann.
Crusaders assistant coach Brad Mooar joins Ric and Chappy to preview the Super Rugby final from the Crusaders camp. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Former Chiefs captain Errol Brain joins Ric and Chappy to preview the Super Rugby final. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
The Crusaders take on the Chiefs in the Super Rugby final held in Christchurch tomorrow night. With nearly half the games decided by 7 points or less, the recent games have been tight and entertaining, leading to a boost in viewer numbers. Super Rugby Pacific CEO Jack Mesley says, 'law innovation' and ‘close games and unexpected results' have helped Super Rugby gain its recent boost in audience. Crowd numbers are also up by 6% this year, despite fewer games. This increase is expected to continue next year. LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Chiefs fans have been told that cow bells are not welcome at the Super Rugby Pacific final in Christchurch on Saturday. The Waikato supporters are known for enthusiastically ringing the metal bells that were traditionally tied around cows necks. But the Crusaders have warned fans metal bells will be confiscated at the gate at Apollo Project stadium, and they may be melted down. Crusaders CEO Colin Mansbridge spoke to Lisa Owen.
The crusaders play the Chiefs in this year's Super Rugby final. We take a look at the teams, trawl through the Brumbies and Blues year's and give our opinions on them. And generally wang on a bit. As always, we hope you enjoy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
The Super Rugby final is here and the Crusaders and Chiefs are seeking to carve out their own slice of history on Saturday night in Christchurch. Rugby reporter Joe Porter has more.
On the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast for Thursday 19th of June, what will our GDP number look like? It's set to look quite healthy, but will that give us false hope in Q2? The Crusaders are going to win the Super Rugby final this weekend, so coach Rob Penney is on to tell us how they'll do it. It's a short week, so Kate Hawkesby and Tim Wilson get to have their Mike-bullying session slightly earlier as they Wrap the Week. Get the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast every weekday morning on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
The Crusaders' current Super Rugby season is like chalk and cheese when compared to the las. They missed the playoffs in 2024, with just four wins in 14 matches. In contrast, this year sees them host the grand final against the Chiefs – clashing at the Apollo Projects Stadium in Christchurch on Saturday. Coach Rob Penney told Mike Hosking the Chiefs have beaten them twice this year, but neither team is the same team as they were on those occasions. He says it's going to be another tight match, and the team that holds its composure the longest, prepares the best, and plays the best will be the ultimate victors. LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
The Crusaders are 31-0 in home playoff games. What must the Chiefs do to end that run in the Super Rugby final??There are holes at prop, lock and loosie, so who will be the debutants in next week's All Blacks squad. Will the selectors be conservative or will they choose the likes of Carter and Tavatavanawai?We give a sneak peak at our SBW interview, as he recalls his iconic try and jump into the stands from the Chiefs' first Grand Final win in 2012.Plus. Jake White's whinge about Leinster's global stars. Will the gap between the haves and have-nots of club rugby grow before the World Club Champs? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Moana Pasifika are downplaying their dependence on outgoing skipper Ardie Savea. He will miss Super Rugby next year to take up a sabbatical in Japan, before making a 2027 return. Savea is signed with NZR through to the end of the 2027 World Cup in Australia and will end up spending half of that cycle playing in Japan. Franchise boss Debbie Sorensen told Mike Hosking that Savea's contribution might look inordinate, but there's a lot of things that go together to make the team work really well. She says that he's worked quite hard to ensure he's not the single outlier, working hard to bring the squad together and mentor other players. LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
The Crusaders and Chiefs have both secured a spot in the Super Rugby Pacific final after hair-raising games for both teams in the semi's. Sports reporter Jamie Wall spoke to Lisa Owen.
A win at the weekend has sent the Chiefs to the Super Rugby Pacific final against the Crusaders in Christchurch. Rugby commentator Tony Johnson spoke to Corin Dann.
On the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast for Monday the 16th of June, the police are starting the ball rolling on putting bodycams on our frontline police. The Prime Minister is gearing up to head to China but before that he pops in to talk the economy, balancing world egos and why we still have 10 sick days. Andrew Saville and Jason Pine talk the F1, the Super Rugby semifinals and Auckland City getting pumped by Bayern Munich. Get the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast every weekday morning on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Super Rugby? What Super Rugby?! Join Mitch and Lachie they turn eyes Aussie towards the upcoming British and Irish Lions Series with a full 40-man squad breakdown and a few bold predictions. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The first domestic silverware of the year was handed out in London and Dublin, and Brett McKay and Harry Jones rip into it all for the first Grand Final edition of the Weekend Post-Mortem for The 8-9 Combo Rugby Podcast. Bath and Leinster took the spoils in the Premiership and URC deciders respectively, the former overcoming a valiant Leicester and the latter doing enough to stay ahead of and withhold the Bulls. There were Semi Finals of contrast in the Top 14, and it was very similar in Super Rugby Pacific, just much angrier and fightier. And what on earth does any of this have to do with the 2000 film High Fidelity, starring John Cusack? It's a great question… Plus, the conference semi-finalists are underway in Major League Rugby in the States. #rugby #rugbypodcast #89Combo #SuperRugbyPacific #UnitedRugbyChampionship #Premiership #Top14 #JapanRugbyLeagueOne #MajorLeagueRugby Find us: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@8-9Combo?sub_confirmation=1 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1BcKhb24YOtwQhKc0S3sDm Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-8-9-combo-rugby-podcast/id1729575866 Social media: #89Combo Twitter: https://twitter.com/89combo BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/89combo.bsky.social Find Brett and Harry on both Twitter and on BlueSky: @BMcSport + @HaribaldiJones Music: "Stalling" by Topher Mohr & Alex Elena (via YouTube Creator Studio) Voiceovers by Chookman + Sean Maloney Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
The Chiefs' man with the golden boot is finding his feet at the right time as another Super Rugby final looms. First-five Damian McKenzie was instrumental in the Chiefs semi-final win over the Brumbies, scoring 22 points to set up a final with the Crusaders in Christchurch. Chiefs midfielder Daniel Rona joined Piney to recap the action. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
This week, James McOnie from The Crowd Goes Wild joined Piney to discuss how NPC ruby can be improved, the ongoing Super Rugby season and Ryan Fox's golf prowess. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
The Crusaders are into another Super Rugby final after defeating the Blues 21-14. Will Jordan scored the deciding try in the 70th minute of the semi-final in Christchurch after scores were locked at 14-all at halftime. Crusaders Commentator joined Piney to recap the clash. LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
The Crusaders feel last season's pain has been this season's gain. And for seasons to come. The perennial Super Rugby contenders have shrugged off the agony of missing the finals in 2024, to now be hosting this year's final. Crusaders captain David Havili says last year's suffering was worth it. He told Piney it wasn't ideal at the time, but there were huge learnings to come of it, which has set them up for this year and the years to come. LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
WATCH THE FULL EPISODE ON OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL HERE!James Lauderdale McOnie joins Finn Caddie to drop another 'McOj Bomb' (00:00)...Then, the fellas preview the Semi-Finals of Super Rugby (10:30) and head to Lord's for an update on the World Test Championship Final (18:10)! Plus, they check in on Foxy at the US Open (25:00) and head to the 'NBA Desk' for an update on the Finals (27:45).Finally, they get to your feedback in 'Yours Please' (32:15)...Brought to you by Export Ultra!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Today on the radio show. 1 - Smoko chat. Gorilla vlog https://shorturl.at/AsqNA 4 - There’s no one else like me. 8 - Friday funny. 10 - Super Rugby semi-finals. 12 - Rhonda Smith. Prison guard. 16 - This week in science. 20 - Country trucker caps. 22 - Friday funny. 26 - Old Battlers. 28 - Knuckles from CTC. 31 - Friday funny. 35 - Red Bull cutter. 37 - Late mail. 41 - Last drinks. Get in touch with us: https://linktr.ee/therockdrive
NEW YORK, NY - The Rugby Odds Season 5, Episode 34 Featuring #WWE Hall of Famer/Rugby Advocate John Bradshaw Layfield, Irish legend George Hook, 3X Olympic 7s coach Mike Friday, King Gift Egbelu & host Matt "Money" McCarthy. A Special Guest joins us today! Hint: He's South African and his nickname is Shimmi. And his full name is Hanyani Shimange. TOPICS (in 24 minutes): RECORD: 21-31 “Shimmi” Bullish on Bulls Ghost of the Aviva MLR Playoffs Mike Friday Goes Against Bath Chiefs vs Crusaders Final? Layfield: “Leinster Sucks” Croke Park or Choke Park? Hook on Club Rugby World Cup R360 Exclusive Highlghts Grown A$$ Man Player of the Week AND BE SURE TO CHECK OUT... The new MLR Weekly with Peyton Wall, Chicago's Rookie Sensation. Please share and join our weekly newsletter: http://rugbywrapup.com/weekly-updates/ Find All Here: -Web: www.RugbyWrapUp.com -X/Twitter: @RugbyWrapUp @TheRugbyOdds, @MLR Weekly @Matt_McCarthy00, @CollegeRWU, @JonnyLewisFilms -Face Book: Rugby Wrap Up -Instagram: RugbyWrapUp -YouTube: Rugby Wrap Up -Reddit: RugbyWrapUp -TikTok: RugbyWrapUp -Podcast Platforms: RugbyWrapUp Please share and join our weekly newsletter: http://rugbywrapup.com/weekly-updates/ Find All Here: -Web: http://www.RugbyWrapUp.com -Twitter: https://twitter.com/RugbyWrapUp @RugbyWrapUp, @Matt_McCarthy00, @JonnyLewisFilms, @LizardRugby, @LanningZach, @ColbyMarshall2, @Junoir Blaber, @JWB_RWU, @MeetTheMatts, @Declan Yeats. -Face Book: https://www.facebook.com/RugbyWrapUp -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/RugbyWrapUp -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/RugbyWrapUp -Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/user/RugbyWrapUp #USARugby #MajorLeagueRugby #RugbyWrapUp #OldGlory #RugbyATL #MLR2020 #SixNations #WorldRugby #SuperRugby #Top14 #PremiershipRugby #Pro14 #URC #UnitedRugbyChampionship #RugbyOdds #RugbyBetting #USARugby #MajorLeagueRugby #RugbyWrapUp #OldGlory #RugbyATL #MLR2020 #SixNations #WorldRugby #SuperRugby #Top14 #PremiershipRugby #Pro14 #URC #UnitedRugbyChampionship #RugbyOdds #RugbyBetting #Sam Golla #CarolinaAnthem
All eyes are on the Super Rugby semi-finals as the Crusaders and the Blues go head-to-head in Christchurch on Friday night.
It is semi-final time in Super Rugby with three New Zealand sides and an Australian team seeking to cement their place in the final. Joe Porter reports.
The Super Rugby semi-finals get underway in Christchurch on Friday.
The Crusaders' 27-year perfect home playoff record is on the line again as they size up the Blues for a place in the Super Rugby Pacific final. It's week two of the playoffs and the two teams will be facing off in tonight in Christchurch. After that, the ‘lucky losers', the Chiefs, will take on the Brumbies in Hamilton. Crusaders CEO Colin Mansbridge told Mike Hosking that Super Rugby Pacific CEO Jack Mesley keeps banging on about wanting jeopardy in every match, and last week's clash between the Blues and the Chiefs was a good example. He says the Blues' win surprised most of them, but that's the nature of the game – you don't know who's going to win, and that's what you want. LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
On the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast for Friday 13th of June, do we need to be concerned about the US reviewing AUKUS? It's a big weekend for sports with the Super Rugby semifinals and one of the most iconic motorsport races in the world, Le Mans. We speak to Brendon Hartley ahead of the race. Kate Hawkesby and Tim Wilson cover off Mike's marital issues, and some interesting stats on how many people survive plane crashes. Get the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast every weekday morning on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
This week on Maul or Nothing:•Max Lahiff reveals the brutal story behind his broken leg injury
Well, somehow… against all odds, common sense, and good taste, we've made 100 of these little buggers! Celebrate our 100th episode as we welcome some very special contributors, shout into the rugby void, and do what we do best: talk shit and Rugby.The Blues give us a reason to smile (finally), the Hurricanes absolutely soil the linen, and Super Rugby and the URC wobble their way to the sharp, terrifying end of the season.Massive thanks to all of you legends for watching, listening, and enabling this strange audio experiment to keep going.Grab a beer and enjoy!
Au programme de ce 40ème numéro de la saison:Pro D2, URC, Super Rugby, Super Rugby Americas, Blessure Capuozzo, BUS du TOP14, Les BARRAGES du TOP14 inédits, XV de FRANCE contre l'ANGLETERRE
Big Truss Tuesday! We know this isn't Play On BUT let's talk Super Rugby! Because Matua Marc has something too say... We also want to ask you if you feel the change of rules has created some exciting rugby or has been a waste of time?... What's Your Theory? We all have a theory on why something is the way it is, whether it's a well known, popular one or one you have thought and kept to your self, what's YOUR theory?... And why would Disney do this... What gave them the RIGHT to do this?! Thanks to Bargain Box, Use Our Promo Code 'Shifters145' for 45% off your first box, and 10% off the next two after that! Hit that link below to stay caught up with anything and everything TMS. www.facebook.com/groups/3394787437503676/ Shop our TMS Merch here fam! https://youknowclothing.com/search?q=tms Thank you to the team at Chemist Warehouse for helping us keep the lights on, here at The Morning Shift... www.chemistwarehouse.co.nz/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Ryan Fox is having the time of his life, winning a second PGA Tour competition within a month by claiming the Canadian Open. In attendance and in support of Ryan Fox were the All Whites - who played in Canada earlier, beating the Ivory Coast 1-0 - one of the team's best-ever results. A thrilling round of Super Rugby playoffs saw the Blues sneak into the final four, alongside the Crusaders, Chiefs and Brumbies. And in the ANZ Premiership - the Mystics overturn the Pulse in a top-of-the-table clash.
It was another big weekend of Super Rugby with the Blues beating the Chiefs 20-19 in a thrilling last-minute victory in Hamilton. Rugby writer and commentator Tony Johnson spoke to Corin Dann.
On the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast for Monday the 9th of June, the Government is making changes to parent visas so will this actually change anything? Will it help bring in the people we need? The Prime Minister is in for a chat about our ferries, our gas (or lack of it) and when some of the changes they've promised will actually come into effect. Andrew Saville and Jason Pine cover off the Super Rugby playoffs, the Warriors' big win and the French Open final. Get the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast every weekday morning on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
It's far from a well worn path, David Feliuai gave up on footy until a re-ignition in Romania that has led him to Super Rugby finals with the Brumbies in 2025. Chatting to Declan Byrne on 'The Saturday Sledge', Feliuai talks not knowing rugby even existed in Romania, Pasifika pride and his Samoan culture and what appealed to him about the Brumbies when the Rebels got the flick.
NEW YORK, NY - The Rugby Odds Season 5, Episode 33 Featuring #WWE Hall of Famer/Rugby Advocate John Bradshaw Layfield, Irish legend George Hook, 3X Olympic 7s coach Mike Friday, King Gift Egbelu & host Matt "Money" McCarthy. TOPICS (in 24 minutes): RECORD: 36-25 Faking Cramps Glasgow's Heart of a Champion Mike Friday & India's Rugby Premier League Blame The Victorians URC Semis Premiership Semis Super Rugby Qualifiers MLR Playoff Races George Hook re Crowley vs Hendrikse Exclusive Highlights Grown A$$ Man Player of the Week ND BE SURE TO CHECK OUT... The new MLR Weekly with Sam Golla, Captain of the 0-15 Carolina Anthem. Please share and join our weekly newsletter: http://rugbywrapup.com/weekly-updates/ Find All Here: -Web: www.RugbyWrapUp.com -X/Twitter: @RugbyWrapUp @TheRugbyOdds, @MLR Weekly @Matt_McCarthy00, @CollegeRWU, @JonnyLewisFilms -Face Book: Rugby Wrap Up -Instagram: RugbyWrapUp -YouTube: Rugby Wrap Up -Reddit: RugbyWrapUp -TikTok: RugbyWrapUp -Podcast Platforms: RugbyWrapUp #USARugby #MajorLeagueRugby #RugbyWrapUp #OldGlory #RugbyATL #MLR2020 #SixNations #WorldRugby #SuperRugby #Top14 #PremiershipRugby #Pro14 #URC #UnitedRugbyChampionship #RugbyOdds #RugbyBetting #Sam Golla #CarolinaAnthem
In today's episode, Te Pati Maori co-leaders and one of its MPs are beginning their suspension from Parliament after unprecedented punishments against them were confirmed, we cross the Tasman for the latest from Kerry-Anne Walsh, and Nathan Rarere previews the weekend's Super Rugby and NBA finals.
On the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast for Friday 6th of June, the farce in Parliament over the Te Pati Māori MPs is over and we can finally get back to fixing our country. The Super Rugby playoffs begin this weekend, so we need to catch up with the table topping Chiefs ahead of the only Kiwi derby in this round. Kate Hawkesby and Tim Wilson celebrate Newstalk ZB's and the Mike Hosking Breakfast's success at the NZ Radio Awards. Get the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast every weekday morning on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
The Super Rugby Pacific playoffs are upon us. The three-week series kicks off tonight, and the Chiefs are currently sitting in the top spot on the table. They'll clash with the Blues tomorrow night in the only Kiwi derby in the qualifying finals. CEO Simon Graafhuis told Mike Hosking a good game can always be expected between the two teams. However, when it comes to the finals, he's expecting the Chiefs will be facing off against the Crusaders or Hurricanes, as both teams are tracking well. LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
A huge week of rugby to talk, with the Super Rugby playoffs this weekend. With Brynna celebrating the end of his Japanese season, Ross and Jippa are joined by Welsh Grand Slam hero Hadleigh Parkes on the panel.Who will win the qualifying finals and why? What's going on with the crazy Super Rugby playoffs format and why are the Blues so edgy on social media.Richie Mo'unga's earned his 11th domestic title in 11 years, after back-to-back trophies with Japanese side Toshiba. When he returns to New Zealand, will he walk back into the All Blacks ahead of Beauden and DMac? What would you do? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
On the show today we talked about who's getting King's Birthday Honours, bulls walking through Invercargill, and how Manaia didn't seem to appreciate his Butter Bell that Jerry got him. Plus ACC Head G Lane joins us to add clarity to the Super Rugby playoffs. Or he tries anyway...See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
It was a frustrating end to the Super Rugby regular season, with the Tahs out and the Brumbies going down in Canberra. But at least the Reds got up. The two Nicks and Nath turn their frustrations into podcast therapy for your enjoyment. WARNING: swear words and grumpy opinions on the Tahs. Though if you are a Reds, Brumbies or Force fan, hook this into your veins. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
NEW YORK, NY - The Rugby Odds Season 5, Episode 32 Featuring #WWE Hall of Famer/Rugby Advocate John Bradshaw Layfield, Irish legend George Hook, 3X Olympic 7s coach Mike Friday, King Gift Egbelu & host Matt "Money" McCarthy. TOPICS IN 24 MINUTES: RECORD: 27-21 Bordeaux Europe's Champions Mike Friday Calls Out Officials Saints Valiant in Defeat George Hook's 3 Favorite Rugby Memories MLR Playoff Races URC Quarter Finals Premiership Critical Point Sizzling Super Rugby Exclusive Highlghts Grown A$$ Man Player of the Week AND BE SURE TO CHECK OUT... The new MLR Weekly with Seattle Director of Rugby/Head Coach, Allen Clarke. Please share and join our weekly newsletter: http://rugbywrapup.com/weekly-updates/ Find All Here: -Web: www.RugbyWrapUp.com -X/Twitter: @RugbyWrapUp @TheRugbyOdds, @MLR Weekly @Matt_McCarthy00, @CollegeRWU, @JonnyLewisFilms -Face Book: Rugby Wrap Up -Instagram: RugbyWrapUp -YouTube: Rugby Wrap Up -Reddit: RugbyWrapUp -TikTok: RugbyWrapUp -Podcast Platforms: RugbyWrapUp #USARugby #MajorLeagueRugby #RugbyWrapUp #OldGlory #RugbyATL #MLR2020 #SixNations #WorldRugby #SuperRugby #Top14 #PremiershipRugby #Pro14 #URC #UnitedRugbyChampionship #RugbyOdds #RugbyBetting
It's Friday - but for rugby fans it's more of a Fri-YAY as Aotearoa heads into the exciting and somewhat confusing final round of Super Rugby. Sports Reporter Jamie Wall spoke to Lisa Owen.