Podcast appearances and mentions of john mollura

Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell break down the powerful conversation with keynote speaker and coach John Mollura, exploring how perfectionism, procrastination, and overthinking quietly chip away at your self-trust. They unpack why these three all stem from fear, how they derail the small promises you make to yourself, and why that matters more than you think. This recap is your reminder that confidence isn't a mystery; it's built through honest awareness and daily follow-through.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:The shift from self-judgment to a seeker mindset that opens new direction.How changing lanes later in life reflects growth rather than starting over.The Big Three that derail meaningful actions by operating from fear.Breaking your own commitments as the root cause behind loss of self-trust.Why honoring tiny choices today makes you a hero to your future self.Episode References/Links:Black Friday Cyber Monday Sale - https://opc.me/bfcmOPC Winter Tour - https://opc.me/tourPilates Journal Expo - https://xxll.co/pilatesjournalCambodia Retreat Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.comAgency Mini - https://prfit.biz/miniContrology Pilates Conference in Poland - https://xxll.co/polandContrology Pilates Conference in Brussels - https://xxll.co/brusselsPilates on Tour - https://www.pilates.comSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsJohn Mollura's Website - https://www.johnmollura.comJohn Mollura's Free Resources - https://www.johnmollura.com/freestuffEpisode 119: John Mollura - https://beitpod.com/ep119Episode 592: Dr. Jill Allen - https://beitpod.com/ep592 If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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And he said, all three of them share the same root. Okay, what is the root of perfectionism, procrastination and overthinking? Lesley Logan 0:15  Drum roll please. Brad Crowell 0:18  Fear.Lesley Logan 0:21  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Lesley Logan 1:03  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the encouraging convo I have with John Mollura in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to that one, and then listen to this one, or listen to this one and then listen to that one. They're fun, back-to-back, to be completely honest, in whatever order you want to do. And John Mollura, he said this is his second time on the pod. Brad Crowell 1:28  Yeah, the first one he was in the hundos. Lesley Logan 1:27  Yeah. I know. Is that crazy? It's insane. Brad Crowell 1:28  Yeah, yeah. Like this probably puts him almost 500 episodes ago. Lesley Logan 1:34  I know. Who else should we bring back? Send it in, guys. Brad Crowell 1:38  Let us know. Lesley Logan 1:38  Today is Thursday, November 27th 2025 and for Americans, it is Turkey Day. Brad Crowell 1:46  It's Thanksgiving Day. Lesley Logan 1:47  Yes, but it's also for Americans and anyone else wants to celebrate, Un-Thanksgiving Day. Brad Crowell 1:54  That's right. Lesley Logan 1:54  Let's, before people get upset, this is what Un-Thanksgiving Day is. It's also known as National Day of Mourning, or Indigenous People's Sunrise Ceremony, is commemorated on the fourth Thursday in November. That is on purpose, because, well, I'll tell you more in a second, this place, it takes a place on November 27th but it just happens on to be on the same Thursday as Thanksgiving, because it's always the fourth Thursday. And it actually there's a big thing over on Alcatraz Island in San Francisco Bay to honor the indigenous peoples of America and promote their rights. And the reason why we do this is because, well, there's also, naturally a mourning is what they do in Boston, but what they do in happened in at Alcatraz is when it was no longer being used as a prison, the indigenous people went and took over the island, and they lived in it and inhabited and controlled it for 19 months. And it's kind of amazing. It's basically them taking their land back, which is very beautiful on we didn't do this because we'll have episodes come on Monday, but I really love that on Columbus Day, the day formerly known as Columbus Day in this household, but known as Indigenous People's Day, somebody, somebody posted a meme that said a reminder that on this day in 1492 indigenous people discovered Columbus lost at sea, or whatever day it was. I don't know if I heard the year correctly, but I love it. It's like, yeah, you fucking discovered this place. You so. So anyways, if you're like me and Brad, sometimes these holidays are kind of hard to celebrate, because, like, of course, I want to spend time with family. Of course I'll spend time with friends. Of course, we need days off, and we do need some joy, but I think finding new ways to educate ourselves and then celebrate those people is wise. Brad Crowell 3:48  Yeah, or just to have some clarity around the history of a holiday, you know, like, like, like, historically, the Romans would take the conquered people's holidays, and, you know, morph them so that the people could still celebrate, and then over time, things would change, you know. And now, all of a sudden, we have, you know, things like Christmas or Halloween or whatever, you know. And they've been, they've been basically taken over, and Thanksgiving is, is, I don't think Thanksgiving was taken over, but Thanksgiving has a different premise.Lesley Logan 4:22  There's a folkloric story about, like, what happened I'm like this, but (inaudible).Brad Crowell 4:25  But it's, well, it's, yeah, it's well, it's, it's that, you know, we came, we saw, we conquered, kind of thing and we did that. But it's a day of thanks, right? Thanks for this new land that we took from people. So, you know, thank you for that.Lesley Logan 4:41  It's like a bully kicking a kid taking a lunch, going, thanks, man.Brad Crowell 4:43  You know, so so I still think that we can have a day where we we are thankful for the things that we have and family and those things. But I think it's also fair to to to recognize that, you know, like that, like for the native people of this continent. They they want to remember their history too, and the genocide of indigenous people that happened when we came over here, so.Lesley Logan 5:12  Yeah, and I just think, like, Hallmark washing, and no offense to that company, but like, just making everything, like this beautiful day to like, you know, go out and buy decorations and all this different stuff. It's like, I think you can have a day of thanks, I think. But I also think, like, it is, it is important that we're educating ourselves about the people that have been hurt by this kind of stuff, and also, like, have a day of thanks and be thankful for them and what they did on, you know, for this land before we got here. Brad Crowell 5:39  Yeah, Thanks for Thanks for going down that journey with us. Lesley Logan 5:42  Yeah, Happy Thanksgiving Day. Brad Crowell 5:44  Yeah, it's intentionally on Thanksgiving every year. It's the fourth, same as the fourth, fourth Thursday of November. Lesley Logan 5:50  So and you know what? Here's the deal, if you're like guys, thanks, totally understand. You know, honor them every day. And I love Thanksgiving. That is very, very cool. But for some people who are having a hard time right now with this holiday, we just gave you one. You're welcome.Brad Crowell 6:04  Yeah, all right. Coming up it is. We are in the middle of our Black Friday Cyber Monday sale right now for OPC, onlinepilatesclasses.com. Just go to, actually check your emails. But I want to say it's opc.me/bfcm, Black Friday Cyber Monday, for the short link for that. In December, in literally a week, we leave and we hit the road. We are driving to Colorado. We're gonna be in Colorado Springs. We're not gonna review all the days and the locations and all the things.Lesley Logan 6:32  There's 23 of them. Brad Crowell 6:33  There are 23 cities, public stops there. And we have, you know, definitely more than 50% sold out. We are more than that already as we're recording this, and you know. Lesley Logan 6:44  Powered by Balanced Body, so we're gonna be bringing our Controlology line with us. We'll have some prizes from them. You don't have to be a Pilates instructor to come. You don't even have to have done Pilates for you to come. (inaudible) my fucking friends have come, and they don't, have never done it before. So you are welcome to bring a family member or ditch them and say that you have something to do for work. It's important. Everyone understands. So go to opc.me/tour for tickets in the remaining stops. And then what's also happening later in December, because we're not doing a Black Friday, Cyber Monday sale for Profitable Pilates this year, we are doing something special December 26th through the 31st so, but you'll need to have the be on the email list for Profitable Pilates. So if you're not on that list, you need to get on that list, yeah, and go do that. And then after our tour is over, we come home. I fix my roots, I change my nails, I launch a mentorship program, and then we drive out to Huntington Beach. Brad Crowell 7:40  I think I'll shave while you're doing all those things. Lesley Logan 7:40  I mean, you'll have your shave going on, but you'll probably need a trim. So we're gonna go, we'll be at the Pilates Journal Expo in Huntington Beach. It's the first time the Pilates Journal is doing an event in the States. It's a humongous lineup of teachers, some that I, who I used to take from when I was a baby Pilates person, and some that I've taught how to teach. So it's kind of crazy. So you'll want to go to the Pilates Journal Expo to join us on that party, xxll.co/pilatesjournal. Then we're home for a little bit, thank goodness, because, like everybody and their mom is wanting to visit in February, and, oh, there's more in January. Brad Crowell 8:05  Yeah, there's more in Jan. So we're gonna be.Lesley Logan 8:12  It's also my birthday. I don't see that on the events list.Brad Crowell 8:17  For those of you who've been interested in joining us on a Pilates retreat where we hang out, we decompress from all the insanity that this life has for us. Each and every one of us is different. Go to crowsnestretreats.com. Get yourself on the waitlist. In January, we're going to be doing our pre sale, our early bird for our retreat for next year, which will be in October at our home in Cambodia. We're actually going to be doing a call at the middle end of January. It's not yet on the calendar exactly, but we're going to have a call, and we're going to interview a couple of our past attendees. We're going to hang out, we're going to talk about the trip and all the things that everybody's ever wanted to know. It's going to be great. So come join us for that, but you got to be on the waitlist for that. Go to crowsnestretreats.com to get on the waitlist. And then in February, something that is really I'm passionate about as well, is Agency Mini. Okay, so as you know, we coach Pilates business owners, and we have a coaching program and all those fun things. But people ask, you know, often look at it and go, I don't know if I'm ready for a six month commitment. No problem. That's why we created Agency Mini, and it's a three-day program. Okay? Used to be seven. We've shrunk it down to three, because we all know how crazy life actually is. It is a really powerful three days, and you should join us for that. Go to prfit.biz/mini prfit.biz/mini. That's profit without the O.Lesley Logan 9:35  And then we get on our plane for the first time in almost six months. Brad Crowell 9:39  Which is insane. Lesley Logan 9:40  Insane but so delicious. I'm sitting here knowing we have six months not. Brad Crowell 9:45  Of no flying. Lesley Logan 9:46  So it's the really ridiculous thing. But I saw it on the day we were at the airport some reel which is like, Have you ever been to the airport and you realize, like, every time I go to the airport, it is everybody's first time on this earth. And so I was just like looking at people, and honestly, I had more empathy for them. I'm like, well, it's their first time here. And then we pull a move where we like, just stop in the middle of the airport, like you did, like, like people do, and then we're just like, turn and like, I'm like, so sorry. Brad Crowell 10:11  Cutting people off. Oops.Lesley Logan 10:11  Like, I was like, oops, I'm so sorry. It's our first time on this planet. They didn't understand what I was saying. But I laugh my heart out. But anyways, we're home for six months, and then when we get on a plane, it's a big deal because we are going to be in three different countries, teaching in the content, continent of Europe, because I can't say the EU anymore, since the Brexit. So school year, we're starting to right, I have to like London and England is its own thing. Brad Crowell 10:37  Almost positive. Lesley Logan 10:38  I have to say, like the European continent, so annoying, but we'll just say,Brad Crowell 10:44  Yeah, it's considered part of Europe geographically. Lesley Logan 10:46  But not the EU. Brad Crowell 10:47  Although technically it's the European continental shelf. Anyway, no, it's not the EU but it is part of Europe.Lesley Logan 10:54  It's like when we were in John o'Groats, and we had to be so specific, we couldn't say we were at the top of the UK. We had to say we're at the top of the mainland UK.Brad Crowell 10:58  Right. Because there are islands north of the mainland.Lesley Logan 11:01  Or top of mainland Scotland. So okay, so in March, we're going to be in Poland at the Controlology Pilates Conference, xxll.co/poland Karen Frischmann is doing that with me, and it's really fun. We haven't been back there in a couple of years. Really, really great time. Really cool people there. So I can't wait to see you guys. And then the next weekend we'll be in Brussels. Els Studio tells and you want to go to xxll.co/brussels same, two teachers, very different workshops, also private sessions. So choose the adventure you want to go on, check out both lineups, and pick the one you want to go to or come to both and hang out with us in two different countries, why not? And then in April, Brad and I will be at the POT in London. We're very excited about it, it's my first POT in London, (inaudible) I know it's, it's gonna be a great time. It's gonna be a really fun to see all those people. So pick the one you want, my European fabulous people, because that's it for 2026. That's all there is. Brad Crowell 11:59  So xxll.co/poland or slash Brussels. Eventually we might have slash London, but they're not. They don't even have a landing page up yet to buy tickets for that. Lesley Logan 12:08  From the time that we're recording this. Brad Crowell 12:08  Yeah, we're just, we're putting it on your radar. So go to pilates.com and go see their continuing education. That's where they have all that information about future POTs Pilates On Tour. Brad Crowell 12:19  All right, so this week, we had a question for you from Natalie. Lesley Logan 12:25  Hit me with it. Brad Crowell 12:27  @nathalieds9011 asks on YouTube about the video, How to Take Your Pilates Practice Outdoors. She said, hey, how about doing Pilates outdoors during winter in Madrid, which is where I am, winter is not extreme. I have a big terrace, which is where I do Pilates. Since inside my apartment, there's just not that much space for me to move.Lesley Logan 12:43  I mean, if you live somewhere where it's beautiful in the winter, fuck yeah. Do it outside. Tag me in a video. Take one of my classes on OPC, or Pilates Anytime or on YouTube. And I want to see your, I want to live vicariously through you, because, let me tell you, I would love being in Madrid in the winter. Instead, I am in the winter places. Brad Crowell 13:04  I'm in the winter places.Lesley Logan 13:04  I'm in the places where winter happens. But I would, love that's great. I mean, like, when I did that video, I was being conscious of, like, if I say, you do it outdoors, I'm gonna get someone say I can't. It's negative 21 degrees here, and it's gonna be 115 here. So I have to, like, you know, be considerate, because some people just don't feel seen. So you, my dear, are in the blessed space. We actually have a couple OPC members who also live in Spain, and they do their Pilates outside all year long. So please, rock on. Do it, but, but basically, when you're doing Pilates outside, there's just things to consider. You can check out that video we did on YouTube, because I'm not gonna list the exhaust, exhaustive list that I gave on there, but we just did Pilates in Cambodia, and something we have to consider is, like bugs, you know, rain. We can do it in the rain there, because we have a covered patio, but as long as the rain isn't going sideways, which can happen, then we have these things that we bring down to make the walls. So it's not so much water on the patio, but the mosquitoes don't care, so we have to we have extra fans that like make it harder for them to land, you know. So there's just things you want to think about when you're doing Pilates outside, and I have blue eyes, it is really difficult for me to do outside Pilates when there's no cover. I was doing, early in the spring, I was doing yoga outside in the morning, and it was fine, as long as I was in down dog, but the moment I came up, the sun was in my face, and I was like, well, this isn't this is terrible. I need sunglasses, but you can't do sunglasses. You can't work out with sunglasses. So like you just it looks stunning. Just make sure you have things set up so that you're not constantly distracted from your workout, about being outside. You know that's all. Brad Crowell 13:06  Love it. Lesley Logan 13:06  If you have a question, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534, or submit them at beitpod.com/questions, where I would like you to send a win as well. I'm being demanding here. Come on. You have a win in your life. You do. You wanna know something, one of our retreaters would. Brad Crowell 13:06  You wanna know something. Lesley Logan 13:06  You wanna know something. One of our, one of our retreaters shared a win one day after our retreat. She said, I only said, I'm sorry two times. It was amazing. Like, if you walk around like, that's a fucking win. Huge win. Instead of walking around, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Like, she just said, excuse me, and then when she needed to, she said, I'm sorry, and she's like, oh, two times it was such a win. So those are the wins I want to hear. I don't need to hear, like, I have my biggest launch ever. Okay, great. That's wonderful. I'm super excited for you, and you can send that in, but like, there were little wins along the way. And if you don't celebrate those you are, you're unlikely to feel fulfilled for a long period of time. So send them in. Brad Crowell 13:37  Yeah, I just looked up on our board we have a win. Lesley Logan 13:37  Great. Brad Crowell 13:37  I'm gonna read it. Lesley Logan 13:37  Oh, okay, okay great. Brad Crowell 13:37  Big win this week. This is from Jordan BB, I've neglected using my Wunda Chair for quite a while now. So I decided it was time to break out my Chair Flashcards. I started working through the order and whatever bits of time I had available each day, starting from the top of the deck each day to get to the to get the repetition. By the time I got to my second week, I started feeling connections in my body that the week previous, I couldn't have even dreamed of. Exercises that felt impossible to move were actually moving. But even better, I felt more connected to myself. Super excited to add my Chair back into my regular rotation. Thank you, Lesley for the amazing flashcards. Lesley Logan 16:32  I mean, I'm so grateful for you. And don't click that off, Brad, because I'm going to say it on FYF so she can hear it on one of those episodes. But thank you like that is so freaking cool. Brad Crowell 16:42  Great job, Jordan. Lesley Logan 16:43  I just want another shout out to Jordan. She is also a listener who, when she discovered this podcast, went back to the beginning and listened to every single one. Brad Crowell 16:51  Wow. Lesley Logan 16:51  I know. So pretty big deal. Pretty amazing win. All right, Jordan, you're amazing. I'll put that in FYF so you're gonna hear it twice, because what if she misses this episode? All right, let's talk about John Mollura.Brad Crowell 17:05  John Mollura. Okay, so stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to talk about John. Brad Crowell 17:11  Welcome back. All right, let's dig into this convo you have with John Mollura. John is a personal coach and keynote speaker who helps people move from fear and hesitation into confidence and action, which I love that. For 15 years he had he led test operations on NASA missions before stepping into a new chapter as an award winning photographer, with work featured in National Geographic. Today, he shares those experiences through coaching and his signature talk, Elite Level Confidence, giving people simple tools to build trust in themselves and take consistent action in their lives. Look, we, Lesley and I have, man, we connected with John three or four years ago now, and. Lesley Logan 17:52  At least, he was in the hundreds. So.Brad Crowell 17:54  Yeah, look, if you like to read newsletters, John's newsletters are great. He really takes time to write enjoyable newsletters, and I read them. Lesley Logan 18:05  You don't read anything. Brad Crowell 18:07  I don't really read anything. So John's newsletters are really fun. So I really like that. I feel like I've been along his journey with him, as he's shifted from engineer to photographer to now being a speaker and a coach, so we're really fired up for him. It's been awesome to have him. He's coming to speak to Agency, our coaching group multiple times, and his content is available for those who are members of Agency. And then we were like, hey, man, would you like to be back on the pod? And we got this epic episode. It's like this episode felt like a mic drop moment on every chapter of the conversation that y'all, y'all were having, you know, talking about confidence, talking about perfectionism, talking about all these great things that, I, I literally listened to it twice. So. Lesley Logan 18:58  I love that, that's so good. Well, thanks for doing that. I mean, it's so fun to have guests back and see where they've gone. Some people have gone further in the same lane. Some people have switched lanes. Some people have reversed and then rewound and, you know, like it's and so he has switched lanes. But really it seems like it all aligns, because he, basically what I like that he said, which goes with what I'm just saying, is that he talked about, it's being really important to be aware. Like, the more aware you are, it's actually a really powerful thing and and it's because when you have a seeker mindset, right? Like, that's going to help you, when you have that curiosity, it's going to help you in what you want to be and what you want to do. So clearly, he was in that seeking mode, that being aware mode, and that's where he's like, Oh, I'm a, I'm an award winning photographer, I'm a NASA engineer, but I actually really want, I'm feeling called, to do this thing over here and it lights me up, and that, you, just going to Gay Hendricks like, that's his genius zone. Like, it would be so easy for him to it's, it's a what does Gay call it, like, your whatever. Like, there's a zone of excellence, which is his photography, but his own genius is this. And I just really loved it. He also said, like, when you are being aware, it's important that you don't judge yourself with your awareness. Like, that's where the critic lives. You like things you'll say is like, well, that's not gonna happen. Or, like, this is never gonna work. But instead, shifting into that seeker mindset and having awareness and curiosity.Brad Crowell 20:23  Yeah, that, so, okay, this part, I thought, was really heartfelt, because he already in his adult life with kids and a wife changed from being a, I'm guessing, stable, high paying government job, where he's an engineer for NASA, to an unstable, potentially high paying, but who knows, job of being a photographer. Now he happens to kick ass at being a photographer, you know, but he said, the engineering job, he quit. He started something else. He got another engineering job, then realized that still wasn't the right answer. Then he started doing something that he found fulfilling. And then after a while, was like, this isn't doing it either. And then decided to make us another change in his adult life. And he's like, I honestly didn't even want to tell my wife, because she'd already been on the journey with me getting out of being an engineer. And now I'm like, thought I was doing the thing I wanted to do, but I'm not feeling it, you know, it's not actually the right thing for me. And and then, you know, and so he has, what I thought was really great, is you threw in there. Well, look, it was maybe we end up thinking that we need to do this thing for because we made the decision, right? For me, this really resonated with my decision to go to college for music, right? And I left. And then my whole time in Los Angeles, for the for the first decade I was there, I was like, I am a musician. That's how I defined myself. It's how I saw myself. I am in a band. I do perform. This is what I do. This is who I am. And when you started, when that started to shift and change and not be that anymore. I was like, well, what do I do now? You know, that I'm not, you know, can I do something else? Like, am I allowed? Because I felt (inaudible), I had literally spent $80,000 or whatever was going to college. I don't even know. A lot of money, you know, going to college to be a musician, you know, am I, am I like, is it okay to not be a musician anymore? You know, while I still can think of myself as a musician today, that's not my primary thing that I'm doing, but it was just one step along the way and and I think it's okay for us to be making these changes in our lives. You know, my I never talked with my friend about this, but my high school buddy went to school to be an engineer, right? He went to Germany, he came back, he was doing all this really fancy engineering stuff, and then somewhere along the way, was like, I this isn't it. And then he went back to school to be a doctor. Like, I was like, wait, you signed up for like, four more years of school after already going to, like four or five years of school. And, you know, now he's a doctor, and I have to imagine he really likes it, or he wouldn't keep doing it. But that is quite a path to jump from one to another, especially when the foundation to become a doctor again, you're, you're starting over, in a way, you know, so.Lesley Logan 20:25  Yeah, I think that's and I think that clearly in that instance, like, he must have had to be a seeker and not a judger in his like, well, this is gonna work. Oh my God, it's four more years of school. Brad Crowell 23:33  Judging himself. Lesley Logan 23:39  Like, using himself, you know, or what like, and this is like, this is the hard part, right? Because when you share some things, it's really, really important who you share stuff with. Like, I think sometimes some of you who are listening, you so badly want someone in your life's love that you're telling them the thing that you're wanting to do, and they are not your cheerleader. It's not because they are an asshole or trying to be an asshole, it's that they are in the critic zone. And so you have to be mindful, like, who you're sharing your dreams with, until you feel the muscle is very strong. And I don't think that that was, like, why he didn't want to share it with his wife, but we were very clear, like he was just was just like, now we're starting all over again. But like, I do think that, like, there are, like, when we told my grandfather we're in Cambodia, he's like, it's not safe there, right? And we're like. Brad Crowell 24:32  What's he, like, all he's doing is projecting his own fear. Lesley Logan 24:34  His own fear, you know, and so, so just be mindful those of you who are listening, who are like, in the curious space, in the awareness space, and you're feeling called, yes, you have excellent investments and other things you've done in your life, but you're being called to do something else. Be mindful that you tell the friends who are like, fuck yeah, you should do that. The other people in your life, you'll tell them when the muscle is a bit stronger, because I would just be afraid that their critic will come out and bring your critic to the party, and we don't need that.Brad Crowell 25:05  Well, I think, I think the high level here, you know, the conclusion of this thought is awareness plus curiosity is a win, right? Awareness plus curiosity, it enables progress, right? So no matter where you are in your life, no matter what projects you're working on, if you have both awareness and curiosity, you will be able to move that ball forward. So love that. And speaking of your grandfather, that leads into what I really loved in a roundabout way, you'll get, we'll get there. Lesley Logan 25:36  I can't wait. I'm excited. I'm looking at these notes. Did you know, my grandfather?Brad Crowell 25:41  I did. So the big three that John talked about, this was a whole nother chapter of the conversation, and this is where I kept saying, these are mic drop moments, you know? He said, hey, look, you know, it's not even about perfection. It's not even about procrastination. He said, in fact, there are the, these are the big three things that I talk about all the time, perfectionism, procrastination and overthinking. He said these three behaviors constantly derail us from doing the things that we want to do, or the things that we say are so important for us. And he said the thing that they're like they don't, all three of them share the same root. Okay, what are, what is the root of perfectionism, procrastination and overthinking? Lesley Logan 26:22  Drum roll, please. Brad Crowell 26:26  Fear. Right? And this is what your grandfather was, was applying. He was, he was projecting his fear on us. And that's when, when you share something with someone, be cautious of that in the sense that they are, they know you really well. They love you. They want the best for you. And they are going to immediately, like, look at it and see what is the problem that that could happen here. And they're going to push that out there and right? And that could be really deflating for you, especially if you aren't yet, like you don't yet have surety in the place you're going, you're feeling it out right, because that, like they don't want you to be hurt or fail, or any of those things and fear is that that root, and it's easy for that to blossom into these things, perfectionism, procrastination and overthinking. And he said, by understanding that fear is the root of these three people, can now get honest with ourselves and begin asking, what is it actually that I'm so scared of? What is it actually? I can't remember who it was, but a couple weeks ago, we had another episode. She was a business coach. Lesley Logan 27:37  Oh, Jill. Brad Crowell 27:39  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it was, I think it was her. She said, what am I afraid of? What's the worst could happen. I could go bankrupt, right? And I was like, well, that's a pretty big deal, you know? But for her, she was like, okay. Lesley Logan 27:52  Jill Allen. Dr. Jill Allen.Brad Crowell 27:52  Dr. Jill Allen, yeah she said, okay, I could go bankrupt. And it's like, well, okay, but she acknowledged that, like, what am I so afraid of, if that's the worst that could happen can that be overcome? Like, is that like, it doesn't it's not something to laugh at. But what if it do? What if it does happen? Lesley Logan 28:10  I don't know. Do I share this, like, my, I remember my trainer when I was, like, thinking of breaking up with my ex, and I was like, just like, not. He's like, what are you afraid of? Like, I don't. He's like, you're not gonna die. Like, he's like, to me, the scariest thing, the thing that, like, the ultimate fear, is death. And you breaking up with him, you're not gonna die. Like, in my situation, I'm sure that that's not the same for other people, but in my I could, he would just let me walk away. And I was like, oh, I'm not gonna die. That is, that is I can do like, I love this question. I think it's really important to reflect on and journal about Brad Crowell 28:40  What am I so scared of? I remember being my first I just moved to L.A. and I had no money, and I got a job at this restaurant. It took me a week to get a job at a restaurant of where I walked around to, I don't know, a dozen more, I don't even know. I would evaluate the restaurant, see how busy they were at dinner, decide, could I make enough money here, and then, do I want to work here? Does this seem cool? And I would put in an application, and I went to all these different places, and I finally got this job, because I went back a second a third time, I really wanted to work at this restaurant. And I then I met these guys, and they offered me a job. And I called my best friend at the time and I said, hey, man, I'm thinking of doing this. And he I said, but I'm worried. I'm worried about, you know, like, they're gonna pay me a salary, but I've, I've, I would be, I would have to give up my restaurant job. And he's like, you can get another restaurant job. And I was like, oh, you're right. Like, that's so true. Lesley Logan 29:37  Yes, yes, even in a shitty economy, there's always an opportunity for something. It might not be, you know, it might not be the the restaurant job, but it would be a restaurant job like, you know, like, there's just, there's, there's options.Brad Crowell 29:52  Yeah, so I just thought that was really astute of John to take these three things, which we all have dealt with, struggled with in our lives, perfectionism, procrastination, overthinking, connect the dots that there's fear is the root of these three things, and then how do we how do we lean into that? What are we so afraid of? What are we so afraid of? Lesley Logan 30:18  Yeah, and your fears are allowed to be like, they could be legitimate fears. And then at least the power is removed when it has air, you know, like the power of fear is really removed when you just, like, put it out on the table. And at least then you can figure out, like, well, what would I do if that happened? You know, so I loved it. I loved, you know, John's, we posted the tour, and we'll be at Rehoboth Beach Delaware. Brad Crowell 30:42  Yeah, it's, it's really close to where he lives.Lesley Logan 30:45  I think it's really close. I think we should finally fucking see him. Brad Crowell 30:53  Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be good. Lesley Logan 30:57  John. Brad Crowell 30:57  We're calling you out, John, we're calling you. Lesley Logan 30:57  We're gonna, we gotta talk. Brad Crowell 30:57  We're gonna call you. Lesley Logan 30:53  We gotta talk about food. How about coffee. How about a happy hour?Brad Crowell 30:57  Love it. All right. Well, stick around. We'll be right back, because we've got some great Be It Action Items from John as well. Lesley Logan 31:04  John, you can also text us. That's fine too. Brad Crowell 31:06  Yeah. All right, we'll be right back. Brad Crowell 31:10  Finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What are the bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items that we could take away from your convo with John Mollura. He said, confidence is the ability to trust yourself. Confidence is the ability to trust yourself. Most of us are showing up for the person we've made a commitment to. Okay, I'll pick you up at six. Okay, I'll do the dishes. Okay, I'll take the trash out, right? You're committing to someone else. I'll do my homework. I'll do this thing, whatever. But we constantly let our own selves down. And it doesn't seem like a big deal. Lesley Logan 31:48  It is a humongous deal. You say you're gonna go to bed at 9 pm and you don't go to bed till 10, you are literally taking a drop out of the confidence bucket.Brad Crowell 31:57  Yeah, and it's subconscious. You might not be like, oh, can't believe it. Oh, I didn't go to bed at nine o'clock.Lesley Logan 32:03  Please, please listen to the habits podcast, and don't do that.Brad Crowell 32:05  In your in in your belief you're chipping away at the foundation of confidence that you have in yourself when you don't uphold your own decisions to yourself, right? And you might not realize that that's happening. But he explained the actual root cause of people's lack of confidence is that they're not showing up for themselves, and meaning that loss of self-trust because we consistently and continually break commitments we made to ourselves time and time again, that will it's it's fascinating, because John is an engineer first, so he still thinks and talks like an engineer, even though he's very creative with photography and now working with his clients and coaching. But he started talking about data, you know, or the data, sorry, and so he said, he said, you why, why don't we uphold these things to ourselves? Because we never have upheld these things to ourselves. But we can change that. We can rectify that by starting to keep these promises to ourselves. When you start to give your brain a new set of data to work with, instead of the old data of broken self-promises, right? So how do we do that? Small, consistent actions that aren't a big thing, but over time, they add up to I am consistent. I do this thing. I do wake up, you know, earlier. I do go all the things that we say we want to go do, but we don't uphold we don't do them. Why don't we follow through? It's because we never have. Well, we can change that by making these small decisions, day by day.Lesley Logan 33:38  Agreed. I loved these, he gave us some questions, and this is really fun thing for you to journal upon. It said, when making conscious decisions on honor one's future self, one must ask, is what I'm going to do or not do going to cause me to be a hero to the future me? I love this like I love this. I look back at the the me in 2013 who made that big decision, go, I'm a fucking hero to myself, like, I thank God I fucking did that when I did it, because my whole life was like the domino effect of like, everything that I wanted. So yes, right? The goal is to ensure that when you meet your future self, you are not staying there tired and disappointed because you failed to go after it. Like if you ever said, oh, by this date, I want to have X thing. And then you didn't do anything, and then you got to that day like, I wanted to be over here by now. Well, the effort thing, it's not like I have missed dates on goals that I was working towards. And there's a difference between actually working towards something and the deadline is further than you thought, than not doing anything at all, and getting to the deadline,Brad Crowell 34:47  I think, I mean, I was thinking about goal setting and all that kind of stuff. Like, okay, this, this quarter in business, we're gonna do $100,000 and you, you know, work, work, work, and you make only $60,000 but it was more than you've ever made before. It doesn't mean that you like didn't make that you didn't keep a promise to yourself.Lesley Logan 35:09  Right. Well, were you, were you the person who could like, did the effort you put towards it, could it have been $100,000 if the stars had aligned? Then, then you should, whatever you land with you should celebrate, because the person that you made yourself be to do those things is the goal, is the journey, right? Is the hero. So the action should result in you high fiving yourself and saying, thank you for honoring me. Thank you for doing that, that the thing in that moment. He also said, you can call him. You guys, I have not like, that's insane, free calls. And he also gave some free resources over on his site, on johnnmollura.com, that's John with an H-N-N.Brad Crowell 35:10  Yeah, J-O-H-N-M-O-L-L-U-R-A dot com, johnmollura.com. Lesley Logan 35:49  Yeah. So check those out. I love it. John, you're such an inspiration. Thank you for sharing your journey with us and the Be It Till You See It babes. I'm Lesley Logan. Brad Crowell 36:06  And I'm Brad Crowell. Lesley Logan 36:07  Thanks for joining us. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Tag John. Tell us. Send this to a friend who needs to hear who needs to be a hero in their life, and until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 36:17  Bye for now. Lesley Logan 36:19  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. 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Lesley Logan welcomes back personal coach and former NASA engineer John Mollura for a powerful conversation on confidence, fear, and self-trust. Together they break down why so many high achievers feel stuck—and how it's not about time management but the fear hiding underneath. John shares how to quiet your inner critic, lean into a curious 'seeker mindset,' and rebuild trust in yourself one small promise at a time.  If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How fear of failure kept John from setting goals or making plans.The “two-by-four” life moments that forced him to realign his purpose.Why photography revealed a deeper coaching calling after years in corporate life.Why true confidence begins with keeping the promises you make to yourself.Why fear drives the “big three” — perfectionism, procrastination, and overthinking.Episode References/Links:John Mollura's Website - https://www.johnmollura.comJohn Mollura's Free Resources - https://www.johnmollura.com/freestuffEpisode 119: John Mollura - https://beitpod.com/ep119The Big Leap by Gay Hendricks - https://a.co/d/0DUsv01AmeriCorps – https://americorps.govBrand Builders Group – https://brandbuildersgroup.comGuest Bio:John Mollura (pronounced muh-LAURA) is a personal coach and speaker who knows what it's like to feel stuck—despite a resume that says otherwise. For fifteen years he led test operations for NASA missions as a literal rocket scientist before becoming a multi-award-winning photographer, with work featured by National Geographic. But behind the achievements and titles, he battled self-doubt, perfectionism, and the fear of taking the next step. John didn't just break free—he built a framework for lasting change. Through a powerful blend of science, storytelling, and strategy, he doesn't just inspire—he equips people with the tools to take action, build confidence, and create real momentum. Get ready to move from hesitation to action, from fear to confidence, and from stuck to unstoppable. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! DEALS! DEALS! 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Because here's what happens, is we're lying to ourselves. We say I'm going to wake up and go to the gym, or this is the year I'm going to start eating healthier, or I'm going to floss my teeth every night. Like, pick a commitment you've made to yourself. If we continually break these commitments time and time again, well, guess what? Our brain recognizes I can't trust me.Lesley Logan 0:28  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 1:10  Hi, Be It babe. How are you? Oh my gosh. Okay. We have a blast from the past, an amazing person, that every time I hear him speak, I'm just like, yes, yes that, yes this, yes, that, oh, say that one more time. So you guys are gonna want to repeat this. This is an episode on perfectionism, procrastination, overthinking, confidence, fear. It's really good stuff. And our guest is John Mollura, and I'm really, really excited. And if you haven't heard from him on episode 120 I highly recommend, after you listen to this one, go listen to that one, and just see how far people come in such a short period of time, we think three years is a long time, and it's like, you know, like, it isn't, it happens quite quickly. So anyways, you're amazing. John's amazing. This episode is for you. Here you go. Lesley Logan 1:57  Be It, babe. We have a blast from the past, and like the past, I cannot believe that it's I can't believe how long this podcast has been on, because it feels like I just got started, and I'm like, still getting my groove, but John Mollura is our guest today. He was from Episode 120, oh my God, okay. John Mollura, in case people haven't been with us since Episode 120, can you remind them? John Mollura 2:16  And you should go back and listen to all those if you have not.Lesley Logan 2:21  Well, they're gonna have to. Because I think we're gonna share, what I'm excited about is to share a journey. Like, whenever I have a guest back on, it's like, we get to, like, see where you are, and people get to go, oh, wow, behind like, you don't see behind the scenes very much, and you don't like, we just think, like, things just happen, and the light switch just turns on, and everything works out. So tell everyone who you are and what you're rocking at now.John Mollura 2:45  Hey, everybody. So second time guest here on the Be It Pod with my good friend, Lesley. And fun fact is I actually live right up the road from her hubby's parents in the first State of Delaware. Lesley Logan 2:58  It's really hilarious. John Mollura 2:59  Right? Small world, small world. So what I am up to? I am a personal coach, and no one is more surprised to see me in that position than me. Lesley Logan 3:08  I don't know. I had to be really honest. We'll go on with your because, but I just want to say, like, your talk, (inaudible) like, three years ago, about imperfection was so good, like, to me, you were like a coach over a photographer. But anyways, tell everyone why you're more surprised.John Mollura 3:28  Yeah, and I'm talking like, longer than, like, the time you and I have been buddies, but like, just throughout my entire life, dude, I, like Forrest Gump-ed my way through, like, never really had a plan, and I came to realize the reason why I never had a plan is because if you didn't have, like, a plan and a target and goals, guess what, you could never fail. And I was so afraid of failure, like I never wanted to, you know, put my name on something, be like, this is what I want to do. So that is why I say I've, -like, Forrest Gump-ed my way through. And I I'm surprised I'm here, because it was never the plan, because I never had a plan. Lesley Logan 4:05  This is so fascinating. I think people just freaking like, were like, caught, like that, like, caught, you know, because you just said, If you don't have a plan, you can't fail. And I'm afraid of failure. And I think there's a lot of people who have been just like, it's a lot going on, it's really hard to make decisions in this time, like, you know, and it's like you can do that for so long, and at some point, like, there's a calling that you have, the universe is going to force you to do it. Do you feel forced?John Mollura 4:38  So I like to call them two by four moments, Lesley, and these are those moments in life where the universe, or God or who, whomever you believe, is kind of orchestrating all this. If you're not paying attention enough, they whack you upside the head with a two by four. And you find yourself in these situations where it's like you're just forced into these changes, and you know you don't have to answer the call, but the price you pay is that you just have this just spiritual discontent with inside of you, and that is such a yucky and exhausting feeling.Lesley Logan 5:13  Yeah, it really is like, and I think anyone listening like, I can think of times when, like, I feel like I got hit by a back truck, and then you're like, why didn't you tell me before the Mack truck came? And then you look back and you're like, there was a little flashlight right there, and then there was this like thing over here. You ignored those so I had to hit you with a Mack truck to get your attention.John Mollura 5:37  Yeah, yeah. There is a story that I like to tell when I'm doing like a small group, and it's like people are like, you know, they they end up at the pearly gates, and they're like, God, why didn't you save me? And that is like, what are you talking about? It's like, I sent, I told you to leave the house before it flooded. I sent you the news report, and you didn't listen. And then when you climbed on your roof. I sent you a boat, saying, hey, get in the boat. And you said no, and then I sent a helicopter, like, what else do you want? So we don't, we don't pay attention to these signs all along the way.Lesley Logan 6:10  We're expecting it to say, John, this is for you. Like, Lesley, this is yours. And the truth is, is that, like, you know, we all get choice. That's what we were given. We were given this choice to listen or to not to listen, and those choices have consequences. So if you choose not to listen, you get hit by a two by four, hopefully before you drown. Hopefully, hopefully you pay attention before you drown. So, tell, can you take us back to some of the two by fours that kind of shoved you this way? John Mollura 6:40  Yeah. Yeah. So, so my my career again, like starting back with my career after I graduated engineering school from Penn State in like 2001 shout out, Nittany Lions, we are, is I ended up working in the space program. Right?Lesley Logan 6:58  Yeah, which is so badass. It's like the, I mean, it's what every kid grows up to wanting being an astronaut, you got to do that without going to space. But, like.John Mollura 7:06  Space Cadet, yes, astronaut, no, but I did get to work with them, and the reason why I literally fell into that job was because I lost out on an internship with Disney in college and taught rock climbing for the summer, and that actually was what bubbled me to the top of the guy who hired me, who was former Special Forces and he said, Hey, look, I'm like, why'd you pick me? Like, I had, like, a decent grade, other than my shining personality and, you know, rapier wit, why did you pick me, Skip? And he said, I don't need another, you know, gosh darn egg head on this team. I need someone I can send out into the field and not get me or themselves killed. He said, you're smart enough. So again, like, you know, I wasn't planning on ever being a rock climbing instructor, but I was offered the jobs I know other options. That's what bubbled me to the top, where I worked in the space and defense industry for 15 years, leading test operations for NASA and working with elite military units, and a big two by four moment came in 2009 right after our first child was born, where, like, I really felt like I wasn't going to be a good dad, just because, you know, my past trials and traumas. And then right after that, one of my best childhood friends intentionally overdosed and passed away, and I was I was a mess. I was an absolute wreck. And, you know, I can remember thinking, Well, maybe he got it right. Maybe I shouldn't be here. And for whatever reason, I said the Serenity Prayer like it popped in my head.Lesley Logan 8:41  Isn't it funny how we all know that prayer, we all know, like, if that prayer is like, right there, it's like, so like, like, we're, I feel like we're born with it, like it's so good.John Mollura 8:49  Yeah, yeah. And for those of you, you know, here's a variation I love is, you know, accept what is, let go of what was, and have faith in what will be, you know. And like, as soon as I finished it, I felt this warm sensation and like, you know that that's when I found, like, true religion and freedom. But it wasn't like all unicorns and rainbows and stuff like that. It was quite the opposite. It was where, like the proverbial scales fell from my eyes, and I realized what an a hole I was in life to protect myself. So that started me on this journey of faith and getting my, you know, just seeing how the world saw me, and I built up this like superhero exterior, but really just to protect the wounded person inside. And as I really came to terms with that and started healing, I started realizing that, wow, this job that I have, like you said, which is, like every kid's dream, like, you know, former 80s kid, like you we grew up watching Star Wars and, you know, all the things like that. I was like, this job isn't satisfying me. This isn't this isn't where I'm supposed to be. I'm good at it. I'm world class at it. But, man, I'm just not happy.Lesley Logan 9:58  Yeah, yeah, that's what Gay Hendricks would call from The Big Leap, he would call, like, your zone of excellence, but not your zone of genius. And, like, It's uncomfortable to be in the zone of excellence for a long time. People think you're weird, but like, you just don't like, you're like, I this, I can do this in my sleep, but it's not challenging me. It's not making me feel satisfied. John Mollura 10:19  Right? Yeah, that's not bringing life into me. So I went and, you know, did the responsible thing, and as a now father of three, and got another higher paying job in engineering, and was even more miserable and out of alignment. Lesley Logan 10:32  Just wanted to make sure. John Mollura 10:34  Yeah, just wanted to make sure this is definitely not for you. So almost, almost eight years ago to the day. We're recording this in early April, on April 7th of 2017 was when I walked away from corporate life and turned my side hustle photography in my full time gig. And it, you know, it was filled with a lot of ups and downs. You know, I had the opportunity, like National Geographics featured my stuff. I photograph my Grammy winners, like all the cool things, but it never really took off. Right? So here, you know, we're already up to two, two by four moments. There's, you know, the death of my friend and my spiritual awakening. You know, realizing this, like, dream career wasn't serving me. So if you're counting along, that's two, two by fours to the head, I don't catch on real quick. And then, actually, our initial conversation, and I looked it up, was in January of 2022, shout out, Brand Builders.Lesley Logan 11:34  I know, I know. Oh my God, that is, that is, I mean, we met, I guess, that is crazy. This podcast has been on for a long time.John Mollura 11:42  Yeah, and it wasn't even about the podcast that was about a webinar. You had this like, zany idea to be like, Hey, does anybody want to talk about imposter syndrome? I'm like, What's that? So I, like, Googled. I'm like, Oh my God, that's what I had even like as I was getting, like, letters of commendation from the military, like I felt like I didn't deserve it, and I was like, one screw up away from, like, failing and like everyone seeing I was faking it. So during this photography career, as the photography was starting to slow down, that came into my life, that came into my path, and then that turned into a keynote, and then the keynote turned, you know, into another keynote called elite level confidence. And that started getting traction. Meanwhile, my photography business is going down, right?Lesley Logan 12:30  Yeah, I'm going to challenge you on that second two by four. I think that the second two by four is a door, like a bridge or just like a guide, because I think, like, you would never have been in the room that you were in. So I feel like, maybe there's a second, two by four. And just like, hey, this photography thing is a beautiful hobby, and you're really good at it, and it's another zone of excellence. But like, they're, we're calling you over here. But I just think, like, I think, like, the everything happens for a reason, and you were in that room because of photography, you know, or maybe there was something inside you that was like, calling you to go for more, and maybe you knew about this coaching thing sooner. But I think, like, I wonder, like, would you have gone from engineering to elite level coaching? Like, you know what I mean? Like, I.John Mollura 13:14  Right, I mean, it all falls together. You know, when you're looking back at the path, it's like, oh, that makes sense. But yeah, in the moment you're like, what the heck it's going on here? Lesley Logan 13:23  Yeah, so okay, I remember, because I get your emails, I remember when you're like, oh, I'm not doing this for I'm closing my studio. And I was like, wow, I hope he's not going back to engineering. I'm so happy you're not. But you know, like, I was just like, oh, because I've been in this world long enough and like, it's really, it is really difficult to whatever your passion is, whether you're a photographer, listening or not, like one of my dear friends, like she makes her magic happen as a photographer, but it is you absolutely can get paid for your passion, but you also have to remember, it's still work, you know? And if it's not, if it doesn't serve you and your family, then it's not serving you, and you have to, like, change it. So, okay, how did you be it till you see it, from photographer to coach, because that I feel like, you know, like, how did you address that? How did you come to terms with your heart? How did you tell your family? How to tell people that I feel like people get stuck on like that, but what are people gonna say? What? How do I explain why I changed again?John Mollura 14:20  Yeah, and that was a lot of internal dialog when I was like, oh man, I'm starting to feel this, this just spiritual discontent again. And I'm like, I've wrestled with it. I'm like, are you kidding me, John, like, like you already had, like, a dream everybody wants. Like, you worked in the space program. You literally worked with astronauts and fighter pilots. Like, how cool is that? And then I did photography again. A lot of people like that. They're like, my dream is to be a photographer full time. And I'm like, oh, no, this isn't really filling me up anymore. So that was something I really wrestled with, Lesley, like, like, I didn't want to tell my wife, who's been on this, like, roller coaster with me, like, because I was embarrassed. I'm like, what is wrong with me? Why am I just such a like, you know, then all the negative voices start, right? It's like, you're a malcontent. You're never going to be happy, you know, all the things and but what I realized, what I really leaned into, was the truth of the matter, was, especially after Covid, because the photography I did, like headshots, portraits, things like that. So I was always working with people, and I saw such a change in people's demeanor. Like, I get it. Being photographed is not anyone's favorite pastime, really. But, like barely.Lesley Logan 15:31  I love it, but I'm weird. John Mollura 15:33  Right. Yeah, there's a very small percentage of people, but you know, every photo shoot would start the same. Good luck getting a good picture of me. And it's like, okay, yeah, that before, but there was something different, especially after Covid, where people just had this just lack of confidence in themselves. So I started realizing, like I was doing coaching sessions with people, just to get them comfortable being in front of the lens of the photo shoot they paid big money for.Lesley Logan 16:02  That's insane. I can totally see that 100%, yes.John Mollura 16:06  Yeah. So that's, that's what I really started leaning into. So my first coaching program that I came up with a couple years ago was called Authentic Men of Action. Because, you know, Rory Vaden, who actually brought us together through his Brand Builders was, he always says, you're best suited to serve the you that you used to be. And I'm like, God, I was a mess. So I thought, let me create this program to to work with men, to really help them take action and get after what is important to them and best serve people that are in their lives. And again, it kind of took off. But then, like, women started reaching out, like their girlfriends and wives, and they're like, Hey, can, like, we get in on this? And I'm like, okay, you know, cue all the limiting beliefs, you know, tripping up like, Oh, you gotta know what to say. You're gonna know how to help people. John Mollura 16:52  Almost like, you know when to, like, hit the button. You're like, okay, here they are. Like, just come at me.John Mollura 17:01  Yeah, yeah. And my wife's like, she's like, you know, you're a father to two daughters, you're a great husband. Like, why don't you just see how it goes, John, and quit over thinking this. Like, okay, so yeah. Then I opened the coaching up to the women, and then the keynotes started. Were with which turned into elite level confidence, you know? And it's just been a beautiful progression of just listening and seeing what the need is, and then answering the call and not letting those limiting beliefs stop me. Lesley Logan 17:24  Yeah, I think it like it takes, in the ideal world is like each time you get to know yourself and what you want more, and that each time you be it till you see it, like the space between hearing and limiting beliefs and still taking action, ideally, gets shorter. Like, I actually don't think that you they just go away. John Mollura 17:55  They never go away. Lesley Logan 17:56  I think if you're not a narcissistic, egotistical sociopath, like if you are, they never go away. You just recognize it. You're like, Oh, I know this station. I can actually just turn it off. Like, thank you. You know, like, I get to, I get to turn that off now, and I think that's so interesting. I also, like, was want to highlight, like, I do think that there's a massive confidence problem, and no one is like, you know, the coaches I've worked with, because I worked with a lot, since I'm in the fitness world, there's a lot of people who are like, you are, like, creating fitness programs so women feel confident. And the truth is, as my coach, is correct, no one is actually Googling how to get more confident, right? Like they're Googling, like, weight loss or whatever, but what they are wanting, the byproduct is confidence. Now that we've on the other side of Covid, I do think there's a lot of people who reckon, who are like, defeated, you know, and, and because, especially people our age who, like, you know, graduated, like, went to college in 2001 graduated to the recessions, you know, then once we started getting our legs under us, then Covid hit. Like, it kind of can feel like, if your evidence is every few years you get knocked down, you may as well stay in a safe place which doesn't make you more confident, it makes you have some dissonance, and that is where a lack of confidence comes from. So I do think that more and more people are needing it and even more aware, but they're using the word imposter syndrome and and other things to to describe it. Okay, you've done speeches before because, like, you had, like, you've had the career with, with space and all that stuff. But like, what was it like to give your first keynote under this, like, this iteration, this, like, next level, this, be it till you see it version of you?John Mollura 19:40  Yeah, one of my coaches told me something that really resonated with me, and now I share it with with my clients that want to, like, do keynote speaking. They said the best thing you can do to reduce the nerves is not to focus on yourself, because if you go out there with this mindset of, like, Oh my gosh. I need to, I need I need to, I need to not forget any lines. I need to hit my marks on the stage. I need to. I need to just, just, just, just crush this like, that's when it goes completely sideways, yeah? Because it's all inward focused. So being switching the mindset of like, okay, I'm gonna go out here. I'm well rehearsed. I've done the preparation that I need to do, and I'm doing that not so I look awesome, but so I can best serve everybody that's out in the audience. So the first time I gave that talk, you know, I did like the rotary thing, where I talked to rotary groups and get my legs under me and refined it. The first official time I gave it was to a group of people that had just completed a year of service with AmeriCorps, and they were transitioning out of that volunteer space. And now, you know, going a lot of them going back into whatever organizations they helped with, but also taking this knowledge and going forward, and they and they've changed, during these years of service.Lesley Logan 21:06  Yeah. Who they were when they started is a very different person, you know. John Mollura 21:10  Right, right. So I partnered up with AmeriCorps because they were, the leadership realized that when people would leave, they were they they didn't, they were kind of rudderless, because they weren't the same person going back to their lives they had before. So they brought me in to speak to them. And is a very beautiful thing about like ways we can sabotage ourselves with, with just, you know, whether it's it's perfectionism or having this kind of lone wolf mentality, building walls in our relationship, you know, focusing on, like perfectionism that leads to procrastination and overthinking and all the things it was helping them see and just be aware of these, these things that will pop up.Lesley Logan 21:55  Yeah, yeah. I sorry to hit you off. I think like understanding how we sabotage ourselves is one of the biggest things we could ever do for ourselves. So you mentioned perfectionism, lone wolf. What are some of the other like ways we can we can sabotage ourselves because we look at it as like it's happening to us, but really we're doing it to us.John Mollura 22:17  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So and that, that's where you know, my newest free resource that I've is on my website for people, it's The Six Leverage Points for Success, and it talks about, you know, creating legacy for yourself, like, how to honor this future you that is out there. You know, how to build your confidence. And we'll, we'll chat about here in a moment, about, like, the like, the real reason, like, why a lot of folks' confidence is lacking, talking about the ways that we can put more structure into our relationships, because people don't like to say, I'm going to put boundaries up, because that seems, you know, like they're keeping everything else. Like, no, it's not about putting walls up around. It's about putting walls up, but then putting some gates in with some quality guards that are there.Lesley Logan 23:05  Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of freedom in a boundary that people don't see it like they see it like as a cement wall. And it's like, well, it's actually just like, a guideline of how you can treat me in this situation. But okay. John Mollura 23:16  Yeah and then helping people understand the value of like focus, because so often when we're on these journeys, like, what are we doing? We're looking to that person over there, and then we're looking at their Instagram account, and then we're, you know, next thing, you know, you're completely side you know, you've spun yourself into the ground because you're looking at everybody else instead of keeping your eyes ahead. And then then finally, talking about helping people get into action. So that that's, that's kind of, those are kind of the ways that I've realized people have been sabotaging themselves. Like, okay, this is what they are, heads up, because awareness is so powerful. Yeah.Lesley Logan 23:52  Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, I I think, like, every time I think, like, something is like, not working, I can actually, if I just, like, take a moment after being upset about what's not working, so, oh, I actually tried to this by myself, or I guided this, like, focusing on, like, where my marks are. Where am I doing this, as opposed to, like, how is this impacting them? Why is this the thing that they need? Like, I can see, like, where I, like, got inwardly focused and sabotaged myself when really, like, I know the answer. And I guess what the cool thing is, you can actually pivot. You can actually just make changes once you're aware. But you have to be aware of these things to see them, yeah.John Mollura 24:34  Yeah and there and there's, there's, there's another component to that, which I found is really powerful, is that it's not just being aware, then it becomes very important that we're not judging ourselves with our awareness. Because when you're judging yourself and you're aware, like, I call that like, that's where the critic lives. Like, these are the people that have had their hearts stomped on, and they're like, never, this is never gonna work. This won't work. No one will want it like that's being judgmental and aware. Where we want to be is we want to shift into, like, what I call being the seeker mindset, which is where you're aware, but then you use, I know, one of your favorite words, which is curious. When we're aware and curious, man, that's where beautiful things happen, right? Yeah, that's where, like, we're a seeker, and we're like, this is where I want to go. I'm not really sure how I'm going to get there, but I'm going to start embracing this journey and seeing what resources and people I have that can help me get to there. And spoiler alert, that there is probably going to shift a little bit, but at least you're going towards that with awareness and curiosity.Lesley Logan 25:34  Oh, I love that you called out the judgment, because I think we can. It's so easy for us to like then be aware oh, here I am being my lone wolf and like, just like, continue going down the judgment zone, which is not where creativity nor confidence can live, by the way, like, judgment and gratitude can't live in the same place. Like, so yeah, it's a whole, it's a whole, those energies don't coexist very well. Okay, so can we talk a bit about confidence? Because, like, I do think, like, I find, first of all, I'm always shocked that people think that people like you or I struggle with confidence. And I think, like, it's really hilarious because, like, I just personally think that they see in us what they want for themselves. And so there's a projection that's happening, and us just doing the thing scared shitless. Like, like, it's what they think is confidence, and really it's like, well, I'm not going around with a sign on my shirt saying I'm scared shitless while I'm doing this, but also I am doing this because I know that if I do this sooner than I think I'm ready, I'm gonna get feedback, and when I get feedback, I can get better. Like, that's actually and then confidence is a byproduct, like, can we because I feel like people have a misinterpretation of what true confidence is. John Mollura 26:51  Right, right. So what confidence is, you know, the definition is a belief in yourself, a belief in your abilities. And I'm going to start this with a question. If I ask you, or most people, I'm sure your listeners are, listeners are all lovely, wonderful people, if I ask you or your listeners, like, when you make a commitment to somebody, like, do you show up to that person you've made the commitment to? Right? Like, pretty much 100% right? What if I tweak that question and said, How good are you at showing up when you've made a promise just to yourself?Lesley Logan 27:31  See, this is interesting, because this is where, like, I'm really good with myself, but I also know that, like, the time, I'm the first born, firstborn daughter, first born grandchild. There's like, the upholder in me is real. Like, if I don't have to tell anyone to do something, I'm going to do it. But that is also where perfectionism lives, so I have to be very mindful of that. Of like, am I doing it because I'm trying to be perfect, or am I doing it because I, like, I said I would do it so. But I actually know from studies that like the most people listening, they don't, they don't keep it to themselves. They keep it for everyone else but themselves.John Mollura 28:08  Right, and that and that right, there is the root, from all the research I've done that's actually the root of people's lack of confidence, is they're not showing up for themselves. Because here's what happens, is we're lying to ourselves. We say I'm going to wake up and go to the gym, or, I mean, this is the year I'm going to start eating healthier, or I'm going to floss my teeth every night. Like, pick, pick a commitment you've made to yourself. If we continually break these commitments time and time again, well, guess what? Our brain recognizes I can't trust me.Lesley Logan 28:44  Oh, there. It's, that's it. That's confidence. It's the ability to trust yourself. John Mollura 28:50  Right. Right? Right? Lesley Logan 28:53  That's so good, yes. John Mollura 28:55  Right, and people, when we're when we get into this headspace of, like, why can't I just do the thing like, why can't I start working out? Why can't I start this business? Why can't I have this critical conversation with somebody? They're like, what I don't understand, what's wrong with me? I work with them all the time that they say this and I say, what's causing it is, obviously the root is, you're not keeping promises to yourself on whatever it is, but because you keep your promise to everybody else, your brain kind of short circuits, because it's like, wait a minute, I do keep my promises. And it's like, no, you don't. So there's this like, weird dichotomy going on in your head, as they say, the only way to rectify that is just start keeping promises to yourself and start giving your brain a new set of data to work with, instead of this old set of data that that you with these promises that you've broken to yourself.Lesley Logan 29:47  Okay, yes to all that, because we get we allow our phones to get new data all the time. We allow scientists to give us new data. We allow so much grace for people to bring in new data and yet for ourselves were like, no, I'm gonna go on that old operating system, like.John Mollura 30:04  Yeah, you're like, working on a Commodore 64. Lesley Logan 30:06  Yeah, oh, yeah. Wait, so this is a funny example. So we've, we got a used car, car of my dreams. It's used, and it is amazing. It is a 2015 that has more technology than my 2020 does. And we, but we were like, Bluetooth-ing to it, which is kind of amazing for a 2015, car to have Bluetooth, right? Kind of amazing. And we're like, oh, it's skipping. I wonder how we update this thing. And it's got, you guys, it has a DVD player. Okay? Car has a DVD player. I didn't know. I was like, oh, it's got a CD player. Were people playing CDs in 2015? No, it doesn't connect to the internet, so it cannot update its system. Like, cannot. I'm gonna have to find some dude, I'm sure it exists here, who, like, can change an operating system. Well, at least that part of the car, right? I'm sure it exists where I live. But it cannot change. However, if we look at that, like, since 2015 how much has technology changed? How much have you changed? How much have you learned about yourself, and if you're still operating off the 2015 version of you, that is going to that is not going to be fun and also going to cause a lot of issues, because the whole world has updated 10 years.John Mollura 31:16  Right. Yeah. And the beautiful thing is, it might sound daunting, like, oh my gosh, I don't want to have to, like, reinvent myself. And how am I going to keep promises to myself? You know, I haven't done the thing that I said I was going to do. How am I going to even start doing it now? And I say, the beautiful thing is, about your brain is it doesn't recognize the magnitude of the promise you keep to yourself, like it doesn't recognize the difference between the promise of like, I'm going to climb Mount Everest or I'm going to floss my teeth every night. All it's doing is kicking the block saying, done, done, done, done, and then eventually you're going to hit, like, a critical mass where you're like, wait a minute. I'm just kind of doing things that I said I was going to do that's wild, because that's the beauty of taking small, consistent actions.Lesley Logan 32:08  Yeah, yeah. It's like, I love that you brought that up. We think we need, like, some sort of big goal to get going. And really, if you are not already consistently hitting things you say you were gonna do that is, like, a recipe for disaster. Like that is a self-sabotage in itself. Like it is, like, if you are, like, wanting to, like, just make sure you put another sabotage. You'll put a goal on. You'll put a habit on. Like, if you don't go the gym every day, you're like, I'm gonna go the gym five days this week. I don't even need a crystal ball to tell you that you won't. It is impossible to go from never putting your gym bag in the car, going to the gym, hitting the red lights, getting out, knowing where the equipment is, to get in a decent workout, to get the dopamine high that makes you want to go back again. Like it doesn't work. If you live in my town, every other day there's a new construction site. So you don't even get to go the same route, you know, so like, but you have to make it small so it's attainable. That's where you know that perfectionism stuff lies, because then people are like, well, if it's not, if I don't do it, if it's not all or nothing, then it's not worth doing. Like, how do you talk to yourself about doing a small thing? What did you do? John Mollura 33:19  Right. And a lot of that comes down to like that, like, you hit the nail on the head, where people are like, well, I don't have time to get in my hour long workout, so I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it tomorrow, because, you know, I strive for excellence, and I if it's not done right, it's not worth doing at all, which I say, time out. Like, what's better? 45 minutes of exercises, and maybe you don't do the squats and the overhead press for another set or zero? Like, it's perfectionism. This, this kind of all or nothing mentality, and I call these the big three, Lesley, there's perfectionism, there's procrastination, and then there's overthinking, right? Those are three big things that just derail us from doing the things that we want to do, or the things we say are so important from us. And the good news is about these three, perfectionism, procrastination and overthinking, is they all have the same root, like we don't focus on perfectionism because we really care so much about whatever it is. We don't procrastinate because we suck at time management. That's the story we tell ourselves. I'm just bad at time management.Lesley Logan 34:31  Yeah, we're not, because there's plenty of proof that you've, like, nailed some things on time, like. John Mollura 34:35  Right, right. We don't overthink because, you know, it's just so important to us that we think of every considerable contingency. The root of procrastination, perfectionism and overthinking, it's fear, and if we get a handle on fear being the root of procrastination, perfectionism and overthinking, now we can get honest with ourselves. We can start telling ourselves the truth of what am I so scared of?Lesley Logan 35:03  Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's the question of the day. John Mollura 35:08  Yeah. And it, and it goes back to when we first started here. I said I never came up with a plan, because if you don't have a plan, you can never fail, right? You never, you can never miss your target. So it's the same with procrastination or perfectionism. We find, I bet, if we're honest with ourselves, a lot of things we procrastinate the most on or get, you know, tangled up in perfectionism and overthinking are the things that are probably the closest to our heart and perfectionism, procrastination, overthinking are so convenient ways to hide because if you procrastinate for long enough, you never do the thing. And you can never fail. You try to keep making it perfect, which, spoiler alert, perfection doesn't exist, everybody. Excellence does not perfection. We never have to do the thing. And the reason why these are usually so coupled to the things that are so important to us is because one of our greatest fears as humans, I mean, like we're social creatures, right? One of our deepest fears of everybody is just the way we're wired, is to be kicked out of the tribe, the village, the clan, whatever it is. So a lot of times we resist most putting the things out that show the most of us, because we don't want people to reject us, reject what we're doing, because that taps on a very primal fear.Lesley Logan 36:37  Yes, oh, I mean, I mean, so much so, like, I remember not wanting to put out a YouTube video. My husband's like, you should be on YouTube. It's like, you know, 2014, I was like, no, no no, because people are gonna hate it, and they're gonna wonder, who they who am I to do this? There's other people who in my industry who have been teaching longer, and they should have the time. And he goes, I don't know who those people are. I don't care. You need to be on YouTube. And I remember being so scared, and I did the thing because I had to do it kicking and screaming with him, and no one actually got mad. And I was like, oh, then what am I actually afraid of? You know, like I was afraid of being kicked out of, like, the industry, like people would think that I'm some narcissist who thinks she knows everything, and really, what I do get instead, because I did it, is that people love how I show things imperfectly. I'm quite honest and candid about where I am. I'm very direct, and I'm I invite them to go there's actually, like, your body's gonna look different doing this. And so because, because I was, because I should have as me and focus on like the person viewing it, versus like me, it actually turned out to be the best thing I could ever done, because it's so much more authentic. And what I was afraid of didn't happen. In fact, I got brought into the community more, you know, like, and that's but, you know, here's the thing, it is true that whatever you want to do, you might get kicked out of your tribe. You might. There are, there are people who are assholes, and then probably, if you ask yourself, like, do I really, like, want to be in this tribe, not being my authentic self the and you know what I mean, like, I so you're gonna get a two by four to the head, is really what's gonna happen. But your tribe might come with you. You'd be surprised, like, how many people were like, Whoa, John or Lesley really did the thing. And I'm, I'm inspired by them, they actually might join in.John Mollura 38:31  Yeah, there's, there's a quote by CS Lewis that I absolutely love. You know, the dude who wrote The Chronicles of Narnia is he says friendship is born that moment that someone says, Wait a minute, you too? I thought I was the only one. Right? Lesley Logan 38:50  Well, John, I could talk to you forever about confidence and imposter syndrome. I really do love this topic. I'm so freaking glad this is what you're doing, because your journey has brought you here. And one of the reasons I wanted to have you back on the pod is, like, I think people get so hung up on like, well, I said I was going to be the photographer, so I've got to be the photographer. I made that switch. And the reality is is like, that could have just been the first next step for you. And so I really wanted people to see, like, what can happen. Look what can happen in three in three years. Like, that's kind of insane. Like, it sounds like a long time. It's not a long time. I can't believe this podcast has been this long. I feel like I just started it. So even though. John Mollura 39:36  That's really hitting you deep, isn't it? It's like the fifth time you mentioned.Lesley Logan 39:36  I know I might.John Mollura 39:36  Let's unpack that, Lesley. Lesley Logan 39:36  Well, here's what it is. The unpacking is, I actually don't think I'm getting older. I think I'm the same age I was when I moved to Vegas. Like I, actually, we moved here in June of 2020, so in two months, this will have lived here for five years. And It shocks me every day, because I feel like we just moved here. And so when things like this happen, or I meet my friend's kids I haven't seen a few years, I'm like, oh I have gotten older, and, like, not that I'm scared of getting older. That's not it at all. It's just that I actually haven't noticed that. I haven't noticed how much time has flown. And I think one, it's good to notice it, because you can celebrate all that you have done in the last three years. It's kind of epic, right? And then two, time is always going and so what are we doing with that time? You know, if you are procrastin on something, I hope that the five times I mentioned, like, how long it's been, you realize, if you were with us on episode 120 and you still haven't done the thing you wanted to do, like, this is your sign. John Mollura 40:37  Yeah, here's your two by four. Lovingly swung by Lesley and John. Lesley Logan 40:41  Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, I think that's really the unpacking. It's like, I hope that people who have have listened from that episode on have either noticed their sabotaging moments or are going, oh my goodness, it has been three years. Okay. What can I do today? You know, like, what can I do to be it till I see it today? Like, that's what I hope. Let me get this, anyways, we're gonna take a brief break and we can find out where people can find you, follow you, work with you. John Mollura 41:08  Super duper. Lesley Logan 41:10  Hi, John. Where do you hang out? Where can they take your group or your coaching or watch a keynote? Where's it all happening?John Mollura 41:18  Yeah, so they can go to johnmollura.com J-O-H-N-M-O-L-L-U-R-A dot com, and there is a fun little button there that says, schedule a free call with John. And it is truly that. It is a free call with me, because I just love to chat with people and see where they're at. It's not a sales call. It's just, I love having conversations with people about that. So johnmollura.com they can also download the free resources, the six leverage points for success that I talked about, and they can also get my Elite Level Confidence Blueprint. So there's actually two free resources there. They are under the free stuff tab, creatively titled, but yeah. Just love to connect with people. I post regularly on Instagram, little daily things there my thoughts and musings, and sometimes there's just funny stuff or bloopers. So, John Mollura on Instagram.Lesley Logan 42:09  I love it. Okay, you have given us so many things. And obviously those freebies sound like a Be It Action Item all in themselves, but what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps can people take to be it till they see it? John Mollura 42:19  Right. So when you face these decisions, moment to moment, minute to minute, hour to hour, day to day, when you hit those decision points, you need to ask yourself, is what I'm going to do or not do going to cause me to be a hero to the future you? Is it when I meet the future you in the future, is it going to be standing there like downtrodden, tired, disappointed that we didn't go after it, or when you meet the future you, is it going to just like high five you and give you a big hug and say, thank you for honoring me, thank you for doing the thing in that moment.Lesley Logan 42:19  Oh, I love that. Oh, that's so fun. John Mollura 42:38  Yeah, super deep. Lesley Logan 42:48  That's great. I think that's such an impactful way to explore the fear, too. Yeah, guys, how will you use that tip in your life? Make sure John knows. Make sure you share it with the Be It Pod. Also share this episode with a friend. You know those friends who like keep overthinking the thing or procrastinating send it to them, they will only notice at this moment that why you're sending it to them. But like, you know, sometimes people need to hear it from someone else in a different word or just a different time, and so that's how we actually all rise up. We need to do it together. That's what makes your sandbox with your boundaries a more playful place, because everyone is understanding where that's coming from. So thank you for listening. John, thank you for being here. Fun to catch up with you. It's so good. We'll have to, we have to see each other in real life at some point. But, you guys, you know what to do. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 43:54  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. 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Join Justin Goodbread as he and John Mollura break down essential strategies for overcoming hesitation and taking bold action in your business. Discover the six checkpoints that can transform your approach to entrepreneurship and help you build real wealth and freedom. LinkedIn: John Mollura WWW: JohnMollura.com Learn more about Relentless Value Coaching:  https://www.justingoodbread.com/coaching/

Send us a textWelcome back to the Ones Ready Podcast, where your BS gets exposed faster than a fake pipeline story at selection. In this banger of an episode, Aaron, Trent, and recurring badass John Mollura (former NASA engineer turned keynote speaker) dissect the real reason you keep procrastinating—and spoiler alert—it's not your schedule.Turns out, your “time management problem” is actually a fear problem. Fear of failure. Fear of success. Fear of being average in front of other people. If you're stuck in the cycle of “I'll start tomorrow,” congrats—you're not lazy, you're just lying to yourself with a rocking chair full of excuses.So pour that coffee, put down TikTok, and get ready to be called out—lovingly, of course.

Imposter Syndrome is a silent struggle that affects many individuals, often leaving them feeling like a fraud despite their achievements. Imposter Syndrome can make you feel like a fake, perpetuating self-doubt and robbing you of the joy you deserve. In today's episode Kristin welcomes guests John Mollura who shares his  "Saul to Paul moment," a transformative experience where one can surrender to the realization that they are not alone in the struggle with imposter syndrome.   Takeaways from today's episode: John unpacks past traumas and how it can contribute to struggles with imposter syndrome.  However, instead of succumbing to the weight of these experiences, he found redemption in weakness. It's a powerful narrative of turning vulnerabilities into strengths.  In the midst of brokenness, there was a moment of surrender for John, allowing mercy to flow in.  By acknowledging and embracing the things we are weak in, there's an opportunity for transformation and growth. John introduces listeners to one powerful tool offered is the "Archive of Awesome. Learning to accept compliments is another crucial tool in helping you understand your value and worth.   Imposter Syndrome is a common struggle that affects many, even those who outwardly appear successful. This important conversation between Kristin and John sheds light on the journey of overcoming this internal battle, emphasizing the role of faith, surrender, and practical tools. With faith and resilience, it's possible to break free from the chains of Imposter Syndrome and embrace a life filled with joy.   Quotes from Today's Episode: "I found my rock at rock bottom."   Connect with John https://johnmollura.com/freestuff   Are you looking for guidance? Contact Kristin for Podcast Coaching Schedule a Discovery Call with Kristin to learn more: Book a timeLooking for a community of podcasters? Join us in Podcast Membership  Save your spot in the January Bootcamp: Save your spot here Wanting to monetize and grow your podcast? Learn more here.  Have a question? Reach out to Kristin Join our FB Community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/wholisticpodcasting/ Connect on IG: @kristinfieldschadwick

Welcome back, Uncommon Leaders! In this special episode, we reflect on the profound insights of our most downloaded guests of 2023. A billboard question prompted thought-provoking messages that have the power to shape mindsets and propel us toward uncommon in our daily lives.On this inspiring episode, we feature the impactful responses from our remarkable guests, including Chris Felton, Doug Dulin, Pippa Shulman, Alice Penn, Daniel Harkavy, John Mollura, David K Butler, MD, Craig Gini, Billy Huard, Traci S Barrett, Allison Walsh, Matt Scoletti, Geoffrey Roche, David Campbell, and Zeev Neuwirth.As the episode concludes, we dive into the importance of the intentional pursuit of excellence, emphasizing how intentional habits and disciplines enable us to strive for excellence and create lasting and eternal impact in our lives.Subscribe now to the Uncommon Leader Podcast on your favorite platform to stay connected and never miss an episode, and don't forget to leave a rating and review to help others discover the show.For the full transcript of this episode, visit the podcast website.Don't miss this powerful and inspiring episode, and join the community of uncommon leaders in embracing personal and professional growth.Thanks for listening in to the Uncommon Leader Podcast. Please take just a minute to share this podcast with that someone you know that you thought of when you heard this episode. One of the most valuable things you can do is to rate the podcast and leave a review. You can do that on Apple podcasts, or rate the podcast on Spotify or any other platform you listen. Did you know that many of the things that I discuss on the Uncommon Leader Podcast are subjects that I coach other leaders and organizations ? If you would be interested in having me discuss 1:1 or group coaching with you, or know someone who is looking to move from Underperforming to Uncommon in their business or life, I would love to chat with you. Click this link to set up a FREE CALL to discuss how coaching might benefit you and your team) Until next time, Go and Grow Champions!!Connect with me

Get ready for another valuable episode of the Ones Ready podcast! Join hosts Jared, Trent, and Aaron as they sit down with the incredible John Mollura, a man with a remarkable journey that will leave you inspired and motivated.From his humble beginnings at NASA to discovering his true passion for professional photography, John has consistently made a positive impact wherever life took him. But, like many of us, he too faced intense personal setbacks that left him battling imposter syndrome.In this insightful and informative conversation, John shares his personal journey of recognizing, identifying, and ultimately conquering imposter syndrome. His story is a testament to the resilience of the human spirit and the power of self-belief.Whether you've experienced imposter syndrome or not, this episode is filled with valuable insights and practical tips to help you overcome self-doubt and unlock your full potential.So, grab a cup of coffee, sit back, and let the Ones Ready Podcast team take you on a journey of growth and empowerment. We hope you love this episode as much as we do! Don't forget to like, subscribe, and share with your friends to spread the positivity.00:00 Intro with the Chief and messing up a name 01:06 John's Background 12:10 Other NASA Projects15:40 Using anxiety20:15 Asking for help29:45 Recognizing Imposter Syndrome38:00 Breaking Imposter Syndrome “Archive of Awesome”45:00 Being your more authentic self50:15 PhotographyCollabs:18A Fitness - Promo Code: 1ReadyAlpha Brew Coffee Company - Promo Code: ONESREADYATACLete - Follow the URL (no promo code): ATACLeteCardoMax - Promo Code: ONESREADYEberlestock - Promo Code: OR10Hoist - Promo Code: ONESREADYStrike Force Energy - Promo Code: ONESREADYTrench Coffee Company - Promo Code: ONESREADYGrey Man Gear - Promo Code: ONESREADY The content provided is for informational purposes only and does not constitute legal advice. The host, guests, and affiliated entities do not guarantee the accuracy or completeness of the information provided. The use of this podcast does not create an attorney-client relationship, and the podcast is not liable for any damages resulting from its use. Any mention of products or individua...

In this heartfelt episode, it's couple's “real talk” with the incredible John Mollura, a journey that beautifully illustrates the power of spousal support in nurturing our mompreneurial aspirations. John shares his inspiring transition from a structured, traditional career to embracing his true passion, underscoring the indispensable role of a supportive spouse. Together, we delve into the essence of overcoming self-doubt, the vitality of open, honest communication, and the magic that unfolds when we empower each other in chasing those entrepreneurial dreams. It's a candid conversation filled with insights on how understanding and empathy within our partnerships can be absolute game-changers in the mompreneurial voyage. This heart-to-heart aims to not only inspire but equip you and your partner with the nurturing understanding needed to navigate the entrepreneurial waters together. So, let's explore how a supportive duo can truly set a solid foundation for flourishing in mompreneurship.Did you listen to an episode and love it? Let me know! Tag me with your "aha" moments and Follow me on Instagram and Facebook!

Have you ever felt like a fraud, despite your clear success and achievements?  This week I'm joined by a leader of global test operations for NASA, the US Military, and Homeland Security, as well as keynote speaker and coach, John Mollura, to talk about imposter syndrome.Even when he received a commendation from the Department of Defense, John could not shake the feeling that he just wasnt good enough.  He felt like a total fake.  What's crazy is if you're a higher performer, you've probably felt this before.  In this episode, John shares:how self-awareness and self-development minimize the power of this syndromepractical tips on handling not only imposter syndrome but also other negative emotions like jealousythe unique challenges brought by the digital age, where constant exposure to social media can lead to constant comparisons and feelings of inadequacya three-step theory for overcoming imposter syndromeGrab your headphones, turn up the volume and listen as John helps you turn down the volume on imposture syndrome.Connect with JohnSchedule your FREE, 30-minute Discovery Call to see how I can help.For further support, join the Jealousy Junkie Facebook GroupGrab the 5 Must-Haves To Overcome Jealousy Connect with ShanennTop Self WebsiteShanenn on InstagramClick here to record your message. Tell me your favorite episode and why you love it and I just might put it on the show. Say your name or don't, either is fine just know, you may hear your voice on the podcast!DisclaimerThe information on this podcast or any platform affiliated with Top Self LLC, or the Top Self podcast is for informational and entertainment purposes only. No material associated with Jealousy Junkie podcast is intended to be a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis or treatment, Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health care provider with any questions you may have regarding your condition or treatment and before taking on or performing any of the activities or suggestions discussed on the podcast or website.

Have you ever felt like you didn't deserve to be in the room or to receive the recognition you deserved? I think we all struggle with this, especially as we encounter new challenges and new environments in business. Join me for this conversation on the impact and costs of imposter syndrome with John Mollura.   John Mollura is a professional speaker who went from being a literal rocket scientist to a multi-award-winning portrait photographer and coach. He educates and empowers his keynote & workshop audiences to turn down the volume of Imposter Syndrome and provides coaching for men to help them stop the endless cycle of "what ifs" and become men of authentic action.   Website: https://johnmollura.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/john_mollura/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/johnmolluraspeakingandcoaching YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWwEUyxuNHowfAaWLPnmLxQ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-mollura-1a148124/   What you'll hear in this episode: [07:47] Imposter syndrome can stem from complex psychological factors, such as upbringing and childhood experiences that create a constant internal struggle between feeling praised and feeling inadequate. It is important for parents to understand how their actions impact their children's development. Additionally, imposter syndrome can also arise in non-inclusive environments.   [16:49] Importance of quiet confidence and accepting compliments.   [24:43] You don't need big achievements to be proud. Celebrate every little success and find joy in the simple things. Surround yourself with reminders of your accomplishments and moments that bring you happiness. Feeling overwhelmed? Let your past wins inspire you to keep going.   If you like this episode, check out: Maximize Your Income with the Help of a CFO Staying Motivated in Times of Stress Is There Such Thing as Too Much Transparency?   Want to learn more so you can earn more? CFO On Demand click here Visit keepwhatyouearn.com to dive deeper on our episodes Visit keepwhatyouearncfo.com to work with Shannon and her team Watch this episode and more here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMlIuZsrllp1Uc_MlhriLvQ Connect with Shannon on IG: https://www.instagram.com/shannonkweinstein/   The information contained in this podcast is intended for educational purposes only and is not individual tax advice. Please consult a qualified professional before implementing anything you learn.

John Mollura is a professional speaker and men's performance coach who went from being a literal rocket scientist to a multi-award-winning heart-centered portrait photographer. He educates and empowers his keynote audiences to turn down the volume of Imposter Syndrome and provides coaching for men to help them stop the endless cycle of “what ifs” and become men of authentic action. His website: https://johnmollura.com/ In this conversation with Gian, John talks about: How he ended up working for NASA How to deal with imposter syndrome How to master job transition And much more! ----more---- Chad, Gian, and Jim were all sports coaches at all different levels and institutions. Now, they are joining forces to serve coaches through conversations so they can lead like Jesus. They will have conversations with influential Christian coaches who are making an impact in their teams and communities in the name of Christ. ----more---- Listen to it on your favorite podcast player: https://plinkhq.com/i/1536134061?to=page  Follow us on Twitter: www.twitter.com/christcoachpod Follow us on IG: www.instagram.com/christcoachpod ----more---- Buy Chad's book, The Freshman: https://amzn.to/3sFiM6P Buy Gian's book, The Court of Excellence: https://amzn.to/44GthUC Buy Jim's book, Good stuff God stuff: https://amzn.to/3Z6VfrO  

Welcome to the SYNC Your Life podcast episode #177! On this podcast, we will be diving into all things women's hormones to help you learn how to live in alignment with your female physiology. Too many women are living with their check engine lights flashing. You know you feel "off" but no matter what you do, you can't seem to have the energy, or lose the weight, or feel your best. This podcast exists to shed light on the important topic of healthy hormones and cycle syncing, to help you gain maximum energy in your life.  In today's episode, I'm interviewing keynote speaker John Mollura on the topic of imposter syndrome in both men and women. In case you're wondering, we ALL struggle with imposter syndrome, in various ways.  You can find John on Instagram here, but also be sure to check out his website and sign up for his newsletter so you can receive his FREE Archive of Awesome!  If you feel like something is "off" with your hormones, check out the FREE hormone imbalance quiz at sync.jennyswisher.com.  To learn more about the SYNC Digital Course, check out jennyswisher.com.  Let's be friends outside of the podcast! Send me a message or schedule a call so I can get to know you better. You can reach out at https://jennyswisher.com/contact-2/.

John Mollura is a professional speaker who went from being a literal rocket scientist to a multi-award-winning luxury portrait photographer. His unique career path provided life experiences that most only dream of. John spent decades leading a variety of teams; some that landed missions on Mars and others that protected the pilots of the most advanced fighter jet in the world, the F35. He now provides world-class portraits and photographs that have been featured by National Geographic, multiple Fortune 500 Companies, and some of the biggest names in music. However, John also knows first-hand what it feels like when walls of achievement and elite-level accomplishments fail to fill a void inside yourself. While his career was rocketing to uncharted heights, a personal tragedy forced him to reevaluate everything he thought he knew. Over the years, as the proverbial scales fell from his eyes, John began to see the world, and himself, differently. He knew there was more to life than having an impressive corporate career.  In 2017, he chose to stop living behind a fragile veneer of perfection and left engineering to pursue photography full-time. It quickly became apparent that John could provide much more than a "nice picture"; he could create empowering images as tangible evidence to his clients' greatness.  As John rediscovered his true-self and his heart became more fulfilled, he longed for others to have the same feelings of self-acceptance and empowerment. John is a naturally engaging communicator who inspires positivity and creates immediate rapport with anyone he meets. John educates and empowers his audiences during his keynotes on Unmasking Imposter Syndrome and believing that Positive Change is Possible. As a keynote speaker John specializes in connecting with audience members who are accustomed to performing at elite levels. Especially for top performers, it can be debilitating to have negative thoughts cluttering your mind, leaving you feeling unfulfilled. This makes you incapable of reaching even higher performance levels. John incorporates research with stories from his own life to give you tools to break out of the prison of your limiting beliefs and begin living life as your truest and most-contented self. johnmollura.com  Thank you for listening to The Curious Creatrix podcast. Your donation helps us continue to spread creativity throughout the land.  Thank you! https://www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=2PM3V82XDS7GA  Beautiful music: Good Friends Inc by Jonathan Boyle

In this recap episode of the Flow Over Fear Podcast, I share the nuggets of wisdom I learned from John Mollura, a former rocket scientist turned portrait photographer who overcame the challenges of impostor syndrome. John shares his journey from working on NASA Mars missions to finding his true passion and purpose in portrait photography. Highlights: • John Mollura's transition from a rocket scientist to a portrait photographer who captures people's inner beauty (00:00). • How John's experience with impostor syndrome, anxiety, and depression led to a significant life transformation (00:58). • The powerful role of empathy in John's journey and how he uses it to help his photography clients reveal their true selves (07:48). • John's discovery that fear hates facts and his advice on overcoming impostor syndrome by listing your past successes (13:00). • The importance of practicing grace and embracing continuous growth and improvement to rise above fears (16:40). To learn more about John Mollura and his work, visit his website at johnmollura.com or find him at molluraphoto.com. Don't miss this insightful interview, filled with valuable nuggets of wisdom and inspiration.

While imposter syndrome is commonplace, it doesn't necessarily mean it should be normalized. In fact, it's a telltale sign of a lack of self-worth and self-love, so you have to take that opportunity to do the inner work. In today's episode, John Mollura talks about how he got so terrified of people finding out he wasn't perfect, that he built up this veneer of perfection. He then figured out how to turn the volume of imposter syndrome down to create the life he wanted. Now, he's paying it forward to audiences through his keynotes, educating and empowering his audiences on unmasking impostor syndrome – and believing that positive change is possible.  Here are some power takeaways from today's conversation: His transition from being a NASA rocket scientist to a portrait photographer.  The impact on him of losing his childhood best friend to suicide Figuring out imposter syndrome and how he leaned into faith The concept of noble obstacles How photography fits perfectly with John's imposter syndrome keynotes Fear hates facts. Episode Highlights: [15:04] Steps for Overcoming Imposter Syndrome There are so many reasons why impostor syndrome can show up, but it all boils down to a lack of self-worth. When was the last time you actually praised yourself for how good you look in a picture or for the amazing thing you've done? Many of us feel unworthy of accolades, love, and admiration. And so we've got to be able to acknowledge that lack of self-worth as the first step to overcoming imposter syndrome. The next step is to lean in faith. Start changing the way you show up in the world and in your relationships.  [30:10] The Concept of The Noble Obstacles The “noble obstacles” are those things that, on the surface, seem like a great reason not to do something. For example, John is making six figures as a high-level engineer. When the reality is that he could actually also make very good money being a photographer. And so, a lot of people really tend to stick with what they have right now. They wouldn't challenge it because they think it's a noble thing to do. [42:33] Fear Hates Facts Fear hates facts. Any negative emotion including imposter syndrome is fear-based, and fear will shrivel up and die when you shine some facts on it. And so, any time you feel it again, try to uncover the facts first. Because 9 times, even ten times, out of ten, there won't be any facts supporting the fear. Instead, you actually have a boatload of facts supporting that you are capable and you are worthy. Resources Mentioned: www.molluraphoto.com  Take the Stairs by Rory Vaden

John Mollura went from being a literal rocket scientist to a multi-award-winning luxury portrait photographer. Main Business Issues: Inconsistency in being proactive to build his business John's Key Insights And Takeaways: Despite a super successful career as a rocket scientist John decided to follow a deeper calling and transitioned into photography and public speaking His expertise grew especially in the photography industry but his business didn't reflect his level of skill A lot of pattern of doubt and unworthiness were now surfacing in the business that went unaddressed in his previous life We unpacked a lot of the inner limits surrounding fear and “being annoying” that were stopping John from proactively creating the fullest expression of his business and potential Connect w/ John: https://johnmollura.com

Hey Uncommon leaders, welcome back!My guest today is my John Mollura.  John is a multi-award winning luxury portrait photographer and keynote speaker.  AND, he is so much more.  John was a rocket scientist and his career was ‘rocketing' to uncharted heights.  He spent decades leading a variety of teams; some that landed missions on Mars.  He shares the story of a personal tragedy that resulted in him re-evaluating what he thought he knew was most important to him.Listen in as John shares some fun stories about how dead mice had an influence on him landing his first job in rocket science, but more importantly how he has worked to unmask imposter syndrome in his life and his tips on overcoming it.You do not want to miss a minute of this interview.Thanks for listening in.  Please take just a minute to share this podcast with that someone you know that you thought of when you heard this episode.  One of the most valuable things you can do is to rate the podcast and leave a review.  You can do that on  Apple podcasts, or rate the podcast on Spotify or any other platform you listen.  Until next time, Go and Grow Champions!!John Mollura website: CLICK HEREJohn Mollura on LinkedIn: CLICK HEREDid you know that many of the things that I discuss on the Uncommon Leader Podcast are subjects that I coach other leaders and organizations on?  If you would be interested in having me discuss  1:1 or group coaching with you, or know someone who is looking to move from Underperforming to Uncommon in their business or life, I would love to chat with you.  Click this link  to set up a FREE CALL to discuss how coaching might benefit you and your team)Thanks for listening in to the Uncommon Leader Podcast. Please take just a minute to share this podcast with that someone you know that you thought of when you heard this episode. One of the most valuable things you can do is to rate the podcast and leave a review. You can do that on Apple podcasts, or rate the podcast on Spotify or any other platform you listen. Did you know that many of the things that I discuss on the Uncommon Leader Podcast are subjects that I coach other leaders and organizations ? If you would be interested in having me discuss 1:1 or group coaching with you, or know someone who is looking to move from Underperforming to Uncommon in their business or life, I would love to chat with you. Click this link to set up a FREE CALL to discuss how coaching might benefit you and your team) Until next time, Go and Grow Champions!!Connect with me

Today on Growth Over Easy I'm joined by John Mollura a professional photographer that speaks on Imposter Syndrome. John's life changed the day he found out a dear friend had completed suicide. This event radically changed the way John showed up in life. And led him to leave a lucrative career in order to pursue his passion. If you are ready for a change, this episode is for you! John is a multi-award winning portrait photographer specializing in empowering and creative portraits that create personal transformation. He has worked with globally recognized clients such as country music star Jimmie Allen and Fortune Five Hundred Companies, such as Proctor & Gamble as well as hundreds of individuals to have the human-side of their stories be told in a creative and impactful way. Studying under celebrity portrait photographer and global humanitarian Jeremy Cowart for almost five years, John has developed a unique creative and philanthropic process and whose work shatter's his clients preconceived notions of how powerful a portrait can be. John is sought after by those that desire to have the human side of a story shown in a creative and compelling way. His photographs and projects are routinely featured in media, such as National Geographic and Country Music Television. As an award winning portrait photographer and humanist he can help men and women at cross-roads in the middle of their lives feeling a lack of self-worth and confidence to experience transformation into seeing and believing the incredible that inside of them when he creates their empowering portrait. https://molluraphoto.com https://www.facebook.com/johnmolluraphotography https://www.instagram.com/john_mollura/ www.lillyrachels.com @lllyrachels everywhere ;) --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/lillyrachels/support

How do females work with their hormones for ideal health? Brad and Lesley recap the stabilizing convo with Jenny Swisher, discussing the importance of a having a healthy period, how to get enough protein in the day, and the value of tracking your cycle. If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Why having a period is key to your health Your hormones and gut being off impacts other functionsThe importance of tracking your cycleResearch for dieting, fasting, and working is skewed towards men How cycle syncing your workouts impacts your energy levelsDefining what makes you an expert at somethingHow to know if your getting enough protein The value in tracking your cycleEpisode References/Links:Beyond the Pill: A 30-Day Program to Balance Your Hormones, Reclaim Your Body, and Reverse the Dangerous Side Effects of the Birth Control Pill Hardcover – Illustrated, January 29, 2019 by Jolene BrightenHormone Imbalance QuizTracking Your Menstrual CycleSYNC Your Life Podcast  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyUse this link to get your Toe Sox!ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the stabilizing convo I had with Jenny Swisher in our last episode, if you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now and go back and listen to that one. And then come back and join us. (Brad: Yeah.) I think it could also have been a synchronicity, or a synchronized synchronized convo because that would go with her SYNC. Anyways, just just my notes. Oh my God, I love my team. Okay. So y'all, we are literally flying to Chicago as you if you're listening to in real time.Brad Crowell  No, we're in. We're in Chicago cur... at the current moment. (Lesley: Well, no.) Yeah, (Lesley: We're not.) we're in Chicago.Lesley Logan  We fly at night. Okay. I love it. Now we'll start over that. We are, so we're currently in Chicago at Pilates on tour. It's my first time back to Pilates on tour for Balanced Body speaking for them since 2019, actually. So that's really exciting. And I brought Brad this time, because last time I just, I did it alone. And it's way more fun when Brad's there. So mostly because people just go, "Where's Brad?" And so it's just easier to bring him and then they can ask him how he's doing. Also, if you're not in Chicago, we got something special going on. Y'all, remember John Mollura from the pod and we actually had him do a course for us at Profitable Pilates. And it's really great. It is all about like, getting past your like imposter syndrome. And y'all I know that this is a course you're like, "Oh, yeah, I need to do that." And then you'll like, "I won't buy that one because you're like, I need this strategy on how to actually get more clients." I promise you right now. What's keeping you from work clients is not a strategy. It's your mindset. And so you need this course. And it's 30% off this week only. And if you're listening to this, and you know, a year from now, it's not on sale, but it's still great. And you should get it. It's like amazing stuff. And then we come back and sale is over. We have our Vegas retreat at our house. (Brad: Yeah.) We are so excited. My sister is coming up to help us, which is really, it's gonna be so fun.Brad Crowell  Yeah, it's gonna be an amazing week. We're gonna be doing Pilates in the morning and digging into the customer journey for businesses for both brick and mortar and online businesses. (Lesley: Yeah.) Plus, we're gonna have a photo shoot.Lesley Logan  I know. So fun ...Brad Crowell  ... we've got another a new restaurant that we're bringing for lunches. You're ...Lesley Logan  We're, we're so obsessed with this place. (Brad: Yeah.) We had them deliver every meal during the week of Mini. And then because I'm not sick of it yet. They are also delivering (Brad: Yeah.) our lunches for the retreat, which I'm so stoked about. (Brad: Yeah.) It's amazing local restaurant. And then we recover from all this, and then we head out to Cambodia.Brad Crowell  Yeah, we do. I can't wait ...Lesley Logan  Yeah. Oh my gosh. If you are wanting to get the course it's profitablepilates.com/courses. If you're wanting to come on the Cambodia retreat, it is lesleylogan.co/retreat. These links are in the show notes and there's a really fun thing you can do on your phone, everyone, you just go to the pod, and you'll see it. It's like a play or a pause thing. And if you just keep swiping it up, it actually has a bunch of notes that our team does a really good job, making sure you can get all the bullet points, (Brad: Yeah.) our Instagram handles all the links to anything I talk about, like I just like, say something and then they're like, "Oh, here's the link for that." So they're all there to help you out.Brad Crowell  Absolutely. Yeah, I think and bravo our team spends a tons of time putting everything together just for you. So if you haven't ever checked that out, take a peek.Lesley Logan  Yeah, so we're gonna talk about Jenny Swisher today.Brad Crowell  Yeah, but first we had an audience question. And this is two recaps in a row. It's a very personal question. So this is another one for Lesley. And, again, talking about personal health. And the question was, "Is it true that there was a number of years where you never had your period?"Lesley Logan  Correct. There was many years. I didn't really, I, you know, like I was definitely of the generation of woman who's like, "I don't want a period." And I hope someday that we like teach children, boys and girls what a period is. We talked about that with Jenn Pike on her episode. Because it would be really great if we didn't see this negative thing. Anyways, I, it was inconsistent through junior high in high school, and I did have one, they were awful. And so when I was put on birth control to make them easier, I ended up ended up getting a blood clot, actually. But I was on a particularly new birth control and my doctors had told me that the blood clot was from the car accident and I was in and not from the patch I was on. And so, which I was like, "Okay, well, that makes sense. Like the blood clot was in the same way the head injury, no big deal, I was on bedrest." But then when I met with a doctor years later, and I told her about my family history, she looked at everything she was like, "You should not be on hormones." So then she took me off the birth control, which by the way, birth control, which as you all know, is not a real period. So it was just telling my body to have a period. But I actually like you're not going through a cycle. So when I got off the birth control, it's not abnormal. I didn't have one, because my body had to like, re figure out what it does, but it had never figured that before the birth control. So like, it just, I had no idea what normal was for me. And so it didn't come back, I went through acupuncture for fertility, just to bring it back, and it didn't bring it back. And so it took, it took a copper IUD to bring it back. And I don't necessarily recommend that I wish I'd had. I wish I had ...Brad Crowell  Or even, even after that, you know, with your health,Lesley Logan  I lost it during, I lost it during my health stuff, because I got too lean. So I got my body fat percentage went too low.Brad Crowell  Yeah, and high stress (Lesley: Yeah.) and the lack of sleep (Lesley: Yeah.) and the combination of all the things that were those (Lesley: Yeah.) that were going on (Lesley: I forgot about that period of time.) like basically eliminate your body was just like, we're just gonna skip this part of it.Lesley Logan  Yeah, we're not doing that. Your body will do some interesting things that keep you fucking alive. So so at any rate, I wish I had known what I know now about things like I think I would have, I think I would have handled it all differently to get the period back at the first place. And I think I would have been ...Brad Crowell  What does that specifically mean? What would you have done? Lesley Logan  So there is a book called the After the Pill or Beyond the Pill, After the Pill. And it is it really is a very educational book on like, what happens when you go off birth control ... (Brad: Beyond the Pill.) Yeah.Brad Crowell  And that is A 30-Day bal... Program to Balance Your Hormones, Reclaim Your Body, Reverse the Dangerous Side Effects of the Birth Control Pill. (Lesley: Yeah.) And that is by Jolene Brighten, Doctor.Lesley Logan  Yeah, yeah, so I wish I had had like just any preparation whatsoever for that. And I also wish I would have known how key to your health having a period is, like how it actually is a natural period is, how it is a sign of things working out well. And I I think I probably also when I lost it again, during my health with my stomach would have probably been able to fight a little bit more for myself or at least done more research myself if I really understood the power and have it all and it and now we're good, we're good to go. Everything is and what we're learning with a new cycle is because we don't have the IUD anymore. So ladies if you are on some sort of birth control, I'm not saying get off of it, I am saying it is worth educating yourself around those things and because there are there are things around long term birth control use that are not great. However I didn't have one I I also didn't have doctors around me that were concerned. Their was their responses really were well it just takes time. Well you didn't you were on this roll so it takes time. My my acupuncturist seemed very concerned I was trying her darndest Jamie had me drinking every fucking tea weird, tea out of the sun. So awful but um if you are someone who is excited to skip your period or how are you are with that one and not really worried about it, I'm not saying go get stressed out about it because I would never want you to do that but it is it is important important part of like the the female body and the health of it and and you know go back and listen to Jenn Pike's episode. I might have brought up on Dr. Bender's episode and then Jenny Swisher is is also she's got so much information for you. You should check out her site and I'm trying out this little doodad.Brad Crowell  She's about to release an app.Lesley Logan  Yeah, she's got an app and I'm I'm trying out this little doodad.That she's got because basically just saying your hormones are off and if your hormones are off (Brad: Yeah.) it is a it's only a matter of time before it's not just your sexual hormones that are off. It's going to affect your sleep. It's gonna affect your digestion and we're all we're not compartments.Brad Crowell  Yeah, this is a perfect, perfect transition right into talking about our guest, Jenny Swisher.Lesley Logan  Yeah, let's talk about her.Brad Crowell  Okay, now let's talk about Jenny Swisher. From a struggle that started in her 20s having to do with chronic migraines, and hormone imbalances, Jenny Swisher has been on a lifetime journey to have of self discovery and becoming her own best doctor. She is a Holistic Health Coach, a mom, she's an advocate for women working with their hormones, for total wellness, and hormones is the key. It's really, really an interesting conversation what you have with her. Stuff I never thought about, didn't know about, really fascinating. Her mission is to bridge the gap between the medical community and functional wellness. So I, I it was a very revealing conversation. I know that we described it as a stabilizing convo, it is stabilizing. But but first off, she talked about she talked about stuff that I had never really considered before. And the logic that she presented behind it was was pretty straightforward. And I was like, "Oh, okay, well, this is important. (Lesley: Yeah.) I don't know, why I never knew this before."Lesley Logan  Well, I think what's interesting, I, I'm gonna sound like some weirdo. But I just need to say this. Most of the issues that we have the solution to the problem has very little to do with drugs. (Brad: Right.) And because no one can make money off of the solution. No one promotes a solution. But really, like, it is it's it's it's very interesting thing that if we just had these answers from when we were children getting to know our bodies, then we would know things were off. SoBrad Crowell  Yeah, what I wanted to, I'm just going to quickly recap and I'll keep this brief here because you can, and you should go back and listen to her episode. But for context about what were the points we're going to go through here, I think, I think that it's important to remember, she talks about the four legged chair. (Lesley: Oh, yeah.) The analogy of how your hormone, your hormones, your endocrine system, like the four legs of the endocrine system. And the first leg is your sex hormone, sex hormones, which she said is progesterone, and other things. The second is your cortisol or your adrenals and that's your sleep and stress. The third is your thyroid. And then the last is your blood sugar. And so your hor... sex hormones, cortisol, your thyroid and your blood sugar. Those are the four legs of your hormonal, your endocrine system. And she said they all sit on top of your gut health. Right. So your gut health will affect each and every one of those. And they all will affect each other because she obviously said if you cut off an inch of your, you know, the leg for the, you know, your thyroid, it's going to affect the other three legs because the (Lesley: Yeah.) chair will be wobbly. Right. So those are what one we're what we're about to go through with the different points that we're talking about. Just keep that in mind, she's talking about the four leg, four legs of your hormone your endocrine system.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So what I love that she said I love that she brought up is that research for dieting, fasting, working out has been done mostly on men. So like, and this is very true. This is not an opinion. Like there's so much research on this. We've been one of our favorite shows John Oliver even did a whole thing on this. And there was a whole science experiment on this like cancer research on ovaries and the people didn't have ovaries there were men, they were men. (Brad: Right.) And so it's like, what the...Brad Crowell  How are you possibly doing research on a body that doesn't have the organs.Lesley Logan  Yeah. And so this means the typical workout calendar schedule is not designed for women. So if you are trying to lose weight or get healthy, whatever, whatever that means to you and or just have a better sleep cycle. A lot of the research out there is for a men's hormonal cycle which is 24 hours and ours is between 28 and 31 or 32 days, so it's just not going to work. So she brought up you can cycle sync your workouts for maximum benefits, which is like you could your, and there, you could compare your workouts to your hormones. So it's like, I do this all the time I use an app that helps me just like tells me like, "Oh, these are the types of workouts you can do right now." (Brad: Yeah.) And so it's actually made a massive difference in my energy levels, my ability to recover from a workout, my, my improvements, the strengths I've been able to make. And I also am a lot kinder to myself when I fucking don't feel like it. (Brad: Yeah.) Oh, well that.Brad Crowell  Also, too, I think that, you know, from the sitting on the sidelines here, it helps me as your partner to know, why are you not doing the thing? Right. Because it was specifically for me work, we work together, y'all. If you didn't figure that out. We filmed classes for OPC. And often she would have them on her calendar. And it would be, like, really stressful for me when she had to film during the week. And I was like, "This sucks. I don't want to be around you when you're filming classes." Because if something would go wrong, it was like a really big deal. If something got like, if there was loud noises, it would become a really big deal. And I was like, "I can't control everything. I try but it's not possible." And it was super stressful for me. And it felt like I was walking on eggshells, and then ...Lesley Logan  We moved the classes to a different week of my cycle. (Brad: Yeah, you ...) Yeah, it's like so much fun.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I didn't think about this. But like, we were just like, "Okay, on the second week of every month, you're gonna film and that was just our work schedule." Right. And so not just your work out schedule, but you know, working to this will affect your work. And then when we when you said, "Hey, what if we changed it?" And then and you explained me why I was like, "I mean, for me, I was like, whatever, I don't care, we'll move it to whatever other week it doesn't matter." And it has been night and day difference for me.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Yeah. And, and actually, because, um, because my cycle at is was eight days and now without the IUD is like four days where we're on a journey ... (Brad: Yeah.) had to change the week that it's happening. And this is gonna piss up everybody because like, I was gonna switch it but at the same time, like it, I really do ...Brad Crowell  But you're aware of that. (Lesley: Yes.) Like, that's amazing.Lesley Logan  Yeah. And so I, I'm, I was like, I this is not something I am a professional knowledge person. And like Jenny is, but like, ever since I discovered this and like, how many experts can I get on the show to talk about this, because most of people listening this are females, or identify as one. And the reality is that you are going to have days where you do not want to show up in front of people. (Brad: Sure.) So when you are aware of that in your cycle, you give yourself permission to go go inward and and reflect on what you've done this month, what has worked, what's going on, and then you make plans for when you're ready to bloom up and like be out there in the world. So you can 'be it till you see it' during those days where it feels so comfortable. So ready, instead of like fighting with it and trying to make sure that every single day it looks like the next day. You're not a dude. It's not gonna work. (Brad: You're not a dude. Yeah.) Now they have their own thing they have to worry about but that's a different person's be it till you see it podcast.Brad Crowell  Well, I really loved that. She said, you can become obsessed with something to the point where you become an expert.Lesley Logan  I know I think some people get a little weird about like their obsession around things. And it's like it goes back to last week's episode, like your pain becomes your program like friggin why not you be the expert if ... Brad Crowell  Well, I definitely I understand this. But I, but I I got a little weird about you know, Jenny Swisher has been on a lifetime journey of self discovery and becoming her own best doctor. And literally that one word 'doctor' made me go, "How can she be her own best doctor?" Right. And I think that not in a literal sense of I went to med school and I've got a degree from University that note says I had the title of doctor, but more in the figurative sense of a doctor supposed to be a proponent of your health, is supposed to be able to help you in your health. And so you know, you she became obsessed with something meaning the anatomy of you know, her female anatomy, her like the inner workings of her body, how it was all working and specifically the struggles that she was having from migraines, right because she said the migraines were debilitating. They weren't just like, "Oh, I had an headache." It was like two days of her 100% out commission could not function migraine and how does that happen? And her conclusion after not been getting the results that she needed from going to a doctor was "oh my hormones are actually affecting the what my migraines. And specifically, it was when she had gone off of birth control. And so and she said, it took her years to put the dots together and be like, when I stopped birth control, I started getting migraines. She didn't know how she didn't see it before, but suddenly became very clear. And then okay, now, how can I resolve that since I don't want to go back on birth control? And that literally sent her down this whole path.Lesley Logan  Yeah, so she is her own best doctor, because doctors were not able to put those together either.Brad Crowell  And now she can legitimately say I'm an expert on these things. I mean, she's, she's been studying it for, you know, (Lesley: years) years, right. (Lesley: years) She's been working in it, studying it, talking about it, reading about and all these things for so many years. And so while she may not be able to be hired to diagnose someone, in a medical sense, from that way, she can provide you a lot of information around the subjects (Lesley: Well ...) from her own experience.Lesley Logan  I think she has a course and it goes back to all the things she's developing. And then you can take that information. Brad Crowell  She actually has a quiz. (Lesley: Yeah, you can ...) yeah, the hormone imbalance quiz. And we will make sure to include that we included in the show notes of last last episode, we will include it again in this one.Lesley Logan  And then you can take all that information, and then you can go back to Jessica Valant's episode, and then advocate for yourself where it is needed. And I think I was so excited to have these two women back to back because I like I said in the last episode, I really do see, one of the big things holding women back from showing up the way they want to on this planet is their health issues. And, and one can be also around their cycle, if your cycle is off. Again, there are we talked about it, I believe in Jenn Pike's episode like about the different phases of your cycle. And the truth is, is if you are trying to do something outside of what your cycle wants to do, you're not going to feel very good about it. And then you're going to, and then because most women who listen to this, do this, you start to shame blame judge yourself. (Brad: Sure.) And then that spirals you out of being it till you see it. And so I really want...Brad Crowell  Yeah and then it jacks up your habits that you've created for yourself, because you know, it just hijacks everything.Lesley Logan  Hijacks everything. So I (Brad: Yeah.) just really, I really wanted to have these two ladies together. And like I said, I'll have more women's health advocates on because I really do see like, sometimes it's not the next habits or mindset mantra is oftentimes like your body and how you feel in it (Brad: Yeah.) and all that. So anyways, I like what you liked.Brad Crowell  And I think also too, there's a there's this idea of the 10,000 hours, you're an expert in your field or that kind of stuff. I mean, I think that one of the exercises that I love to do with those who come through Agency, our fitness business coaching program, is I work backwards with them and I say, okay, how long have you been teaching? And they say, oh, 10 years. Okay, amazing. How long did you study before you were allowed to teach? Oh, a year, two years, something like that. Okay, what are the certification programs that you did? How many hours were those programs? Oh, 600 hours. 200 hours. Oh, it was a weekend. Oh, it was a it was a whole year. Whatever. Right. And then, okay, how much have you been teaching in that time? Oh, I've been teaching, you know, 10 clients a week for eight years. Amazing. Add up all those hours, what what, you know, you're probably like, you have you've probably 1000s of hours of experience under your belt with this thing that you're doing, whether it's yoga, or Pilates or whatever it is. And the reality is, the more you stay focused on something, the more you are an expert at it. So it's, it's plausible to also look at your life and be like, "Wow, I'm an expert in this thing." (Lesley: Yeah.) So that's pretty cool.Lesley Logan  It is really cool. I really think I think she's amazing. I really am into what she's doing. So I hope you all are having fun getting synced with her.Brad Crowell  All right, so finally let's talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Jenny Swisher?I'm gonna go first, we're gonna make sure you're eating enough of the right foods. Okay. And she said, specifically, most women, it needs to increase their protein intake.Lesley Logan  Oh, most people we just told my fath, my father, (Brad: Yeah, your dad, the same thing.) Yeah, most people are not actually eating enough protein. And ladies, especially as you're going into menopause, you're gonna frickin want to do that. So I say that because like, I think it's I think that's the next phase that I'm going to my life and I like like, where's the protein? So, but yeah, I love this. I love this take and I think so I think you just, I don't know, most women ... most women increase their protein intake. I'm not really sure how to help you with that as far I was like, obviously, there's shakes and there's animal proteins, I would definitely make sure if you're taking doing shakes, please watch the ingredients that are put into these things, make sure they come from a reputable source, like do your research, but also count them. Like ...Brad Crowell  Yeah, I think that's what we can recommend to you. Because we can't tell you if protein is what you need more of or not. It's just a generalization. But what Jenny was saying is that you have to be eating the right foods. How do you know if you're eating the right foods? That's something that you're gonna have to figure out with bloodwork and doctors and stuff like that where you know, you know, like, "Oh, I'm going to need more of this thing."Lesley Logan  I think a simple thing you can do though, is just for one week, track your protein like look at if you're having like a chicken breasts, like, like weigh the chicken breasts, so you can find out how much protein is in that you don't have to weight it forever. But like, once you have an idea, like, oh, the chicken breasts, the size of my hand is this much protein. (Brad: Yeah.) Then you'll always know that. And so you can you don't have to do this forever. You don't have to, like I know, like, for a lot of people, like the last thing they want to do is actually count their grams of protein. But it's not the same as counting calories. It's very specific. And so you can see on average, how much you're getting. And it really I have heard from many, many a medical professional a gram for every pound weight. Or ...Brad Crowell  So this is macros. Is this what we're talking about effectively. (Lesley: Yeah, yeah, yeah.) Which I know nothing about.Lesley Logan  Yes. So if you are interested in macros coaching you we can go back to several guests, Launa McClung, Giselle Schroer, and Amber Shaw. And they all can tell you how the hell you should count your proteins. (Brad: Yeah.) But, um, but I have a we had Jennifer van Barneveld-Pe on, and she just had a podcast about like, actually, you know, it's, if you don't want people to see weighing your food, you can simply say, I'm working on making sure I'm getting enough nutrients in my system. And I'm doing it for the week to see on average, what I'm doing that doesn't have to be a weird thing. But you can't you can't make sure you're doing that unless you track it for a while. And then you could at this point in my life with certain things, I don't have to do those things. I'm like, I know how much protein is in my my thing here. So I know that stuff. But it is a key thing that we it's very easy ish thing to add in.Brad Crowell  Yeah. (Lesley: So) Yeah. Yeah, it's a it's not quite as complicated as it used to be. So. Okay. Well, (Lesley: Now it's my turn.) What about you?Lesley Logan  Yeah. So, y'all, if you have a cycle, I want you tracking it. So she's developing an app. There are other apps out there. I do know that in the current US climate a lot of people are afraid of doing that. So I am aware of that. However ...Brad Crowell  I think there's actually lawsuits about it right now (Lesley: Yeah.) happening in the US court system (Lesley: Yeah.) about effectively sharing information. Like abortion argument happening here in our country (Lesley: everywhere)Yeah, I'm sure you all know. But basically, the fear is that the apps ...Lesley Logan  Well, they're not HIPAA compliant so they can sell people's information and they already have it.Brad Crowell  If the apps, aren't HIPAA compliant. But either way, even so the fear is still that the police, police enforces, (Lesley: Yeah.) you know, can tap into this information. Anyway, there's a huge court case happening right now, to block them from doing that.Lesley Logan  You don't want to use an app, you can use your own calendar and just, you know, make sure that you you can put like a P on there, you could put like a red heart or something. And then you what I would highly recommend you do is like do that every day of your cycle. And then go back to the first day and have it repeat in 20 days. And if they're a little earlier, a little late, then you can adjust and you should be able to see if you are I'm on a 28 day cycle as I meant while I was we're going to find out what that is now that it's a four day period. Anyway, sorry, I shouldn't be jumping through I just said like we should like love our periods, but I would from eight to four. So you all this is like my life has changed. But do whatever you can do I do use an app, I am unaware if they are protecting the ... or not if they have any protection. I've been emailing them to find out. But but the app is actually out of different country. So I'm not even sure that it is like that a problem that I have to worry about. I like it because it does tell me where what phase I am in. If you're someone where you are beyond a monthly cycle, you are in menopause, please go with the moon cycle and use the moon cycle as your cycle and that will actually help you to know when you are waxing and when you are waning in your hormones. And so there's a lot of research you can do on that. And then ...Brad Crowell  Yeah actually, I just pulled up Jenny's website while you were sharing that and she actually has an entire episode of her podcast dedicated to tracking your menstrual cycle (Lesley: Great.) from April 5th 2022. We will leave the I'll link to her website in the show notes where you can see her blog posts around that and you can listen to her episode as well.Lesley Logan  Yeah and then I also love that she said find a functional medical practitioner near you. This is really helpful she gave actual steps so you can go back and listen to that on how to do it but honestly like just because and I love that she said there's just because there are functional medicine doctors I mean the right one for you and then you can listen back to Jessica Valant episode and our recap episode about finding a doctor that works for you. It is annoying when the first doctor you go to isn't the right doctor. Keep going. (Brad: Yeah.) Keep going there right people out there for you and I love my, we had Dr. Bender on. I love her because I'm like, she's been also following like how my health and stomach will change after I don't have my IUD anymore. And it is insane. Some of the stuff that I was thought was my stomach were not my stomach at all. So it's just you all your body is its own interesting thing and get to know it, like get to know it because that's going to help you be able to listen to it for not just like how you are today with like your health but also like what your what your gut is telling you like your actual gut, not your stomach like your gut instinct is telling you to do in this world, how to act as if you are already the person you want to be because you are it, you just have to step into those shoes. And the more you get to know yourself the easier that's going to be. (Brad: Yeah.) All right. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  And, I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  How are you going to use these tips in your life? We want to know. Tag Jenny Swisher, tag the @be_it_pod. Share this with your friends like seriously share this with your friends. (Brad: Yeah.) One of our agency members Claire Sparrow, she has this thing. I'm gonna have her on one day but she is like women are not telling other women about the stuff that they're going through because it's like this weird like we don't have, we have weird conversation like weird. It's weird. So just share it and then it's not weird like, "Hey, I was just listening to this. Check it out. What do you think?" That's a great conversation starter (Brad: Totally.) and do it. And until next time, Be It till You See It.Brad Crowell  Bye for now.Lesley Logan  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. 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Setting boundaries in your biz can be hard. Learning to say no to a client is difficult but it all ties into today's episode as Brad and Lesley talk through when it's time to let a client go, how to say ‘no' in life, and the value in your free time! If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Agency Mini last releases, last one of the year!! When it's time to let a client go The importance for establishing the professional boundaries Why free time is not availability Saying no allows you to be more intentional with your yesThe people in your life should respect your “no's”Trying one new thing a month  Episode References/Links:AGENCY MINI  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the unfiltered convo I have with Kate Hutson in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to the interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to that one. And then come back and join us or listen to this one, and then listen to that one and see if you like the takeaways we had.Brad Crowell  Yeah, (Lesley: Yeah) you can pick. You choose.Lesley Logan  You have a choice. Um, so we are super like ... the freaking calendar is going way too fast for me personally. But we are like, just a couple weeks away from our seventh Agency Mini, which is our seven day coaching program.Brad Crowell  Pretty amazing.Lesley Logan  I know. And like, I miss it. It's been a long, it's been a long time.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I mean, you know, we only do it twice a year. So it's, we try to make it roughly six months apart. Sometimes it's, you know, a little off ...Lesley Logan  It's like a four month and then a nine month.Brad Crowell  Yeah, this one this one was a longer time than usual. So, yeah.Lesley Logan  Yeah, well, because we, you know, we used to do it in the summer time. And the reality is, it's like, it's not the best time for most people. SoBrad Crowell  Yeah, everybody's traveling and on vacation.Lesley Logan  We have a ... ( Brad: hanging at the beach) we do an early year and then a fall. And that's (Lesley: Yeah) how it goes. And this is a se... our seven day coaching program, which if you've never coached with us, or you've been thinking about coaching with us that this is the way to get specifically clarity on not just how to coach with us, but also on your business.Brad Crowell  Yeah, (Lesley: Yeah) we're very well, we love helping people build a foundation that they might have skipped, you know, most people will start using social media without realizing what they're using social media for, or, you know, they just, they're getting out there. And they're taking messy action, which we love, messy action.Lesley Logan  Sometimes they're not even taking messy action, they're like, "I'm gonna get a logo, and I'm gonna get my colors, and I'm gonna get my font and my branding done." (Brad: Sure.) And the reality is, is if you don't know who you who you're actually for on this planet, and you haven't spent the time and you're just trying to shout to the rooftops to everybody, "Come do my class. Come take my class. My class is amazing." You're talking to no one. (Brad: Yeah.) And so really getting clarity on that and building that foundation. And ...Brad Crowell  How do you connect with people? Who are you for? What problem do you solve? All these kinds of things, this kind of clarity. That's everything we're gonna go through. How do you share your story?Lesley Logan  Yeah. And also, by the way, we'll answer every single question you have about business that we (Brad: Yeah) can. I mean, we really do try to answer them all even if it's like, hey, this is literally requires at least a two hour coaching call. But I love you. But we really try to be honest with you, because we've done it all. So even if you think you have clarity, I still suggest joining the program because a) it never hurts to go back and look and make sure you didn't miss a step. And b) there's tons of time to get questions and answers on everything else. Also, this time, we are doing something new. We've been letting people jump into the group early.Brad Crowell  Yeah. So this is unusual ahead of time, you can jump into our private Facebook group and start getting acquainted and getting yourself prepared.Lesley Logan  Yeah, we're giving like little weekly homework assignments to y'all. And so you can actually sign up now at profitablepilates.com/mini. And then you can get invited into the private group early to start working on some homework so that when we kick off, you're really your foundations are really in the ground. And then we will have that seven days together. We ... it's it's amazing. It's so much fun. It really has helped so many people with their business, whether or not you coach with us afterwards, I have had incredible testimonials (Brad: Yeah) and feedback of things people have done just by being in that seven day group. (Brad: Yeah) And then of course, we hope that you join us inside of Agency where we just love on you all the time. All the time. All the time.Brad Crowell  All the time. Well, next it's time for some drama. (Lesley: What is the drama?) Well, we have this epic audience question that can be dramatic. So ... (Lesley: I know.) All right, so we're just gonna jump right into it. Have you Lesley ever had to fire a client?Lesley Logan  Yes, I got this. I got this question from somebody and, and without naming names, because I don't want to out her on this. She gave me a ton of like, things that went on with the person and I'm gonna tell you right. If you have the urge, if you have this, like, gut feeling, you've got a fire client, you don't actually need to justify it. I'm just a, I'm really really honest. Like, I think and this kind of goes into what we're talking about Kate Hutson, I think especially as women were like, "Oh, I have to have a reason." They have to have been the most off, like there has to be a ...Brad Crowell  I didn't write them up three times. (Lesley: Yeah) I'm not following core pretty ...Lesley Logan  Well actually, they're going to this thing and like, (Brad: Sure.) I you know ... We make all these excuses for them. No, that that stops now. (Brad: Yeah.) For whatever reason, you have this feeling that this client is not right for you whether or not they're being an asshole. Or they are just like saying things that are inappropriate. If you are having this feeling, you must fire this client. No ...Brad Crowell  I mean it could, it could even be like an energy exchange, you know. (Lesley: Yeah. I mean ...) If you're, if your client is always coming in, you know frenetic or hysterical or like, super, super high strung and that is messing with you, you know, then it might be, time to help her find somebody else to work with.Lesley Logan  So as instructors, whatever your modality is, there's a scope of practice. Now, if you are an actual therapist, then your scope of practice is to do therapy. But if, if you're not one of those in your scope, therapy is not a thing. And someone actually is requiring therapy, it is important for you to say, "Hey, hi. Here's what I can help you with. (Brad: Yeah) But what you need right now is this. (Brad: Yeah) And so here are a list of people that I trust who can help you or they will help give you referrals of someone else. (Brad: Yeah) But I actually can only do this for you. And this is what I'm saying you need." And if the person is not willing to stay within your scope, and they're like getting frustrated it, you can refund them on the rest of their package guessing oh, that's money, but give it back. Here you go. I have had to fire a client, and it cost me $1,400. And two very difficult conversations. And to be honest, I knew I was gonna have to fire her the moment she bought a package. It was a bad day, and I needed some money. And I was like, I took it, I knew and I was like, "This is not the right client for me." I knew it in the moment. But I had an assistant we had like, I've hired another person. And I was like, well, "I should just say yes to this." And she, every single day of her standing appointment would text me that day to to move herself, to move herself on that day, every single time. She'd had these standing appointments, and I had to take her aside after session seven, and say "look, here's the deal". You don't get to standing appointments, if you're gonna move them around. (Brad: Right) So if you would like to schedule them randomly, you can but you have to use my booking system, and it only shows you within what's happening within 24 hours, you cannot do same day. So you need to know that. Oh no no, I'm gonna keep my times, my times were really good for me, I'm gonna keep my times. Okay, now our two-three packages later, she's still practicing this whole little shindig, I am ignoring her text messages. And every I just ignored them. I did not even engage whether she showed up or not. I charged her. That's how the tools work. You should use our scheduling tool if you don't have one. And (Brad: Yes) then she started to be abusive to the client that came after her (Brad: Right) because she was being a little snarky. And like, oh, must be nice. And I was like, okay, that now you're crossing a line because now not only are you abusing me, now you're abusing someone else. That's not okay. So she sent me this nasty email about something oh, and she came in, I taught her session at the end. I said, "Here's the deal, you have this many sessions left, here's a check for um. I am not the right teacher for you. And I know that's hard to hear. I know you really like coming here. I know that you've made leaps and bounds. But the reality is you need someone who has a more flexible schedule than I. And you need someone who specializes in the situations that you're going through. (Brad: Yeah) And so when you're ready, I'm happy to refer you to some people. In the meantime, here's your money back." She was horrifying. It was an awful conversation I'd have with her. She couldn't have been more mean. (Brad: Yeah.) And then she sent me another really mean email. And I ignored, I didn't respond. There's nothing to respond to in those situations. By the way, if you feel free to defend yourself, then you feel like just defend yourself. But I stood on like my foundation, "This person was violating my rules. And I'm not going to defend myself. I don't need to." So then a couple months later, she reaches out she wants to come back to Pilates. She's been working on her schedule. (Brad: As if nothing happened.) As if nothing like literally she acted like nothing happened. I was like, "I am ... No."Brad Crowell  Like, "Am I taking crazy pills or ..."Lesley Logan  What is going on? So I refer her to someone else. I said, "Here are some referrals." And then I talked to my referrals. And I said, "Just want you to know, she can be a really good person when she wants to. Here are the things that she does that you need to be aware of." (Brad: Yeah) And let me just tell you, she and her new teacher were two peas in a fucking pod. They had the best time. They did a great job. And last I heard that she never missed a session. So just so you know, if you have a client that's like driving you frickin bananas. They could make someone else a nice coffee cake. And so I would just would say like, don't put up with things if you have put boundaries in place and you've enforced them... what you don't like my analogy?Brad Crowell  When was the last time you had a coffee cake?Lesley Logan  Okay ... (Brad laughs) I miss it. Is it edelmans, endimans? (Brad: Entenmanns) Entenmanns? You know, the coffee cake they make at the store ...Brad Crowell  Yeah. (Lesley: Oh) That's pretty darn good.Lesley Logan  That's so good.Brad Crowell  Entenmanns? Enten...Lesley Logan  I think, it's entenmanns. Endilman is our friend ... (Lesley and Brad laughs) But ... I can see the light, the writing and all that coffee cake. But anyways, going back to this, you don't actually have to justify firing a client. And yes, you probably made mistakes along the way in upholding your boundaries. It's okay. After this podcast, you will not do that anymore. And if you join Agency Mini or Agency you will not do that anymore.Brad Crowell  Yeah, boundaries, you know.Lesley Logan  We train people how to treat us, we really do. (Brad: Yeah.) So here's what you do. Take a deep breath. They are not my sessions, they have left. And then say, "Thank you so much for letting me teach you this entire time. I am no longer available to teach you. And I know that's hard and I know change is hard. So I don't want to assume that you want to find a new teacher right away. But when you do, please reach out. And I will I will happily introduce you to someone or here on this post it note that I've got right here is all the information so you can take it up on your own when you're ready. (Brad: Yeah.) I thank you so much." And then whatever it is ...Brad Crowell  Notice that she didn't even tell her why. I'm not the right teacher for you. Here's your money back.Lesley Logan  There, they are not going to convince crazy. That ...Brad Crowell  There's no chance that like, if you know, you, you, you can say you keep you signed my client agreement, and you keep breaking my client agreement.Lesley Logan  You can't say it ... (Brad: That is super sad.) It's actually what is going on, you could totally do that. And, and that's also really nice. The thing is, it's like firing someone in a job. They're not listening, (Brad: No) and they're never had. Just think back to the last time you were dumped. Did you agree with the person dumping you like, let's just be real? Did you actually agree with like any of the things they said? No. So there's your client who's crazy is never gonna go, "You know what, you're right. I've been lying about all my illnesses." They're never gonna say that.Brad Crowell  You know what I did? I got I got completely blackout drunk last night. And I just skipped my class with you this morning and totally blew you off and then asked you, you know not to charge me for it. Yeah.Lesley Logan  So besides not charging you for I have had clients just text me I got completely blackout drunk last night. And please charge me for that. And they are still my clients because (Brad: Yeah but that's true.) they follow the boundaries. (Brad: They did.) They follow the rules. But I'm just saying like, when you have someone that you're like, "This person is actually like, just really affecting my ability to run, teach my other clients and run my business." You must let them go. You don't have to make excuses for it. You don't even have to tell them why. And if they ask, you can say, "We've discussed this in prior conversations. I'm happy to send you screenshots of those of the boundaries I've had and how you violated them." You can say that, but ...Brad Crowell  They will not take you up on that. (Lesley: They're not ...) They will be like, "Yeah, you text me, you send me every single tag."Lesley Logan  I'm going to tell you right now, no one's gonna say thanks for firing. I promise you. So there's no reason to do that. Just ...Brad Crowell  You don't even need to, you just keep it simple. Hey, you know (Lesley: Keep it simple ...) I'm not the right teacher for you. (Lesley: Here's the money.) Here's the refund.Lesley Logan  And like for if you're worried like the retaliation, well, that's what cops are for. So first of all, if they retaliate you via email, or text, message, screenshot all of it, save it, do not respond, send it to the police. (Brad: Yeah) If they are going to write a bad review, let me just tell you right now.Brad Crowell  You also have the opportunity to reply to said bad review. And that's like that can be just as powerful any other way where you get to, now you get to justify, (Lesley: Yeah) once you get to do it publicly in front of everyone, and you get to say, "You signed my client agreement, and yet you are consistently late over a six month period, and you never did this thing and you never did that thing and you rip my stuff, whatever."Lesley Logan  And you know what? That will make you feel really fucking good. You'll feel really good about that. And that's what I'll say about that. But I know it's scary. This is why a client agreements are a real thing. If you don't have one, use our scheduling tool. We give you one. These are contracts that you actually wear. This is how you allow ...Brad Crowell  Client waiver and the studio agreement. (Lesley: Yeah) Studio agreement is like this what you're agreed ...Lesley Logan  You agree to reschedule in this appropriate time. You agreed to pay on this time, all these very important things. My loves, you are the only person who can do what you do the way that you do it. (Brad: Yeah) I cannot have you burn out because someone did not follow your boundaries. You didn't enforce them and you're like, "Well, they could say something bad about me out there. So, I guess I'll just keep putting up with it." If your friend was telling you about a boyfriend, just treating them like crap, would you go, "Oh, well, you know what they could say things to other guys that can make you not dateable so you should just stay with him." Never, you would never do that. You would never do that. But you do that in your business all the time. Okay, I'm off myself.Brad Crowell  All right. All right. All right. Now let's talk ... I mean, that was that was pretty dramatic. I mean, (Lesley: You you labeled it.) I did. I did. I totally did.Lesley Logan  I didn't think it was gonna be dramatic, but then we went there.Brad Crowell  Okay, now let's talk about Kate Hudson, Hutson Hutson. Everyone has to have their eat, pray, love moment. And for an Executive Life Coach and Owner of Shattered Glass Coaching. Kate Hutson's moment came on the beach in a jungle, sitting in the sand, she decided it was time, it was time for a woman to learn how to show up with confidence. It was time for women to learn how to show up with confidence and embody the mindset needed to lead in their professions. And Kate has now made it her life's mission to help her clients overcome fear and create the life that they really wanted. In fact, I think she also was talking about sitting on a surfboard. (Lesley: I'm pretty sure, sitting on a surfboard.) Yeah. But she she was a workin in a job, not excited about it and was did a retreat. And in the retreat, she was having a conversation with one of the other retreaters and the other retreater was like, "You should be coaching people."Lesley Logan  Yeah. You know what I think? I think anytime you're super bored at your job. And you're like, "Why me?" I think you should go, "Oh, my God, I'm about to have my moment." (Brad: I'm about to have my moment.) I'm about to have ... If I'm bored in a job. That means I've been set up for something amazing. It's time to go to the beach. Just saying. I'm just saying like, I really think that like people like, "Woah is me." And it's like, actually, this is going to be the rock bottom you need to do your movie, your whole thing.Brad Crowell  Yeah. (Lesley: So...) And if you need a forum, in order for you to have that discovery, join us in Cambodia.Lesley Logan  Yeah, that's a jungle.Brad Crowell  It is a jungle. There's there's not a beach in that one. But there's a lake.Lesley Logan  There's a lake, it's beautiful. (Brad: Yes) Anyways, okay, I really love that she said, "Don't confuse free time with availability." Boom. Like, just take a moment right there. Free time and being available. There is times during the day that I am available that I definitely don't want to be called, chat with anyone, do anything, it is not in my free time. I'm like, "Oh what do I want to do?" Not be available for you. That's what it is. And so I really love that she actually verbalize that because I wonder listeners, hi. How often have you confused your free time with being available? (Brad: Sure.) Like people who are like, "I want to read a book." But they're always going out with friends. Well, you probably had time to read that book. You could like, I'm not saying like ditch your friends, but I'm just asking, I'm just saying like, look at how much time you're giving away as free time. That doesn't need to be available time.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I think I think it's, um, we're talking about boundaries already. And this is one of those things, you know, there is whether your free time is in the morning and you're meditating or taking a walk, and it's just you being you know, with you, or it's in the evening. And you know, you specifically don't have plans that night. It doesn't you know, you have free time is valuable. It's a it's an opportunity for your mind to recharge your body, to recharge for you to maybe get into something something fun, a new hobby like she's talking about, or even just reading a book like she's like Lesley was talking about, sorry, but it doesn't, you know, there that time has value. And if you lump it in with this is, I you know, someone calls and says, "Hey, did you want to go out?" You know, it's going to change that time dramatically. Sure, you're going to get a chance to hang with friends or do or any of that kind of thing, but you're not getting that recharge time.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Well, I mean, like, I remember back in LA when people are like, "Okay, when you guys are available for dinner?" And we would see that Friday night is available. But that would saying yes to that would mean that we were having dinner on Friday night, Saturday night and Sunday night. (Brad: Sure.) So yes, it's available but it's not free. (Brad: Yeah.) And and you have to just be really clear on like, if you were if you are an extrovert who's like fuck yeah, booked me all the time with people. That's fine, like know yourself, right? But just also make sure that when you say yes to things, that you are actually being conscious that it is going to take you away from other things which I think I'm leaving it to you.Brad Crowell  Yeah, yeah. Because I really loved she said saying no, actually means you're saying yes to something else, or vice versa. And this and it's funny because it took me a second to realize what she did there, I'm just gonna say it again, saying no means you're saying yes to something else. Okay. So you're not necessarily like, yes, you're telling your friend, "No, I'm not coming out." Okay. And you can you can dwell on that. You can be upset at yourself or, or whatever. But there's a, you can also reframe that decision. And you can say, "Hey, I would love to go out with you. But I have already said yes to something else." And that's something else is going to bed on time, or having a quiet night or reading the book, like we were just talking about. Right. So you know, and it's the same ...Lesley Logan  And just to put in there, you don't have to ever justify a 'no' or a 'yes', just like, going back to our little question. (Brad: Yeah) You don't ever have to justify anything you say.Brad Crowell  Right. You don't have to explain to them. You just made the decision. And that is the decision, that's what you're doing. Right. So if you if you are on a roll, and you know that you feel good when you get eight hours asleep, and you're like, consistently going to bed at nine o'clock. And someone says, "Hey, do you want to go see a comedy show at eight?" You can say, "I'm sorry. I've already said yes to something at nine." (Lesley: Yeah.) And they'll be like, "You did?" And you're like, "Yeah. My fucking pillow." You know, like, you don't have to explain that.Lesley Logan  Oh, you know what? Let's just go back to before we're dating. You called me one night. (Brad: Yes, I did.) And you called me and you wanted to hang out. And I was like, "No. Call me earlier. (Brad: Yeah) I'm sleep already."Brad Crowell  I did... I used to stay super late at the office. Like I would leave at 7 or 8pm. Yeah, you know and she was like, "Don't come by." I was like, "What the ... Okay, I won't."Lesley Logan  Yeah, you can call me earlier. (Brad: Yeah.) And he never called me that late ever again. He called earlier (Brad: That's true.) after that.Brad Crowell  That was boundaries.Lesley Logan  Yeah. So but I just anyways, I think it's really important. Sometimes we think if we say no to something, that we're gonna disappoint people. Here's the deal, you probably will. But if they hold that against you, here's your sign. That's not the right person to be around. (Brad: Right.) You're, all of my most amazing relationships are not offended when I go off the face of the earth to them. They know it's not personal. (Brad: Yeah.) If you are a person in my life, and you take it personally that I took a week and I didn't text or call you, we are not friends. Because I don't have people who need me to coddle them in my life. I don't do that. That's not how it works with me. (Brad: Yeah.) And it might sound really cold. But I promise you, when I had those people in my life, I was an asshole. I was stressed out, (Brad: Yeah.) crying, frustrated, lost. I am so more I'm able to be present with people. I'm able to love and be generous with my time and my love for them because they don't expect me to say yes to everything. So I ...Brad Crowell  Yeah, I mean, like, you know, I just had my 40th birthday party (Lesley: Yes, you did.) and one of my closest friends ...Lesley Logan  Looking good at 40, 40's never looked this good. Brad Crowell  One of my closest friends wasn't able to be there for the for the actual hang. You know, and another one of my closest friends wasn't able to be at our wedding. You know, and it doesn't change the fact that they're still some of my closest friends. You know, so ...Lesley Logan  You know, I just want to say this because I listened to Iliza Shlesinger - Ask Iliza Anything. Everyone is fucking amazing. And Iliza will be a guest in this show. I'm putting that out there. Guys, don't ever have a problem with this. This is only this is sorry, ladies. Like most guys do not take offense. Like it's a bummer. (Brad: Yeah, I was bumed. But it's okay.) But it wasn't you were like, "Oh my God, I can't believe. He wasn't at my wedding." But women, ladies, we need to get it together. It is not personal if someone can't make your thing. (Brad: Right.) And if it is person who is doing that to be personal, have the but like the galls have some balls to actually say, "I'm not coming to your wedding because I don't like the person you're married period." Like and like whatever it is to say the thing. I just think that like, we're like walking around like, "Oh my God, I don't want to offend anyone. I'm gonna do this. One of the things. I'm tired of it." And you are people in your life should understand that no means no. And it's not personal and that you are when you say no to something going back to Kate, because she's amazing. You are allowing yourself to say yes to something else. (Brad: Yeah.) And you may not know what that something else is, or you may be very frickin clear. But I get offered to do things all the time. And it's like, I could say yes to those things. But it will mean saying no to something else that could come up. And so I'm really like I have a little like roadmap. I have some things I think about. I give myself some time on my... "Hey, can I get back to you on that? When do you need to know by so that I can actually weigh it all out and make sure ..." One, I'm not saying yes because (Brad: Yeah, think about it. Sure.) Yeah. Because I don't want to say yes. Because words of affirmation love language, hello. Like, it's really flattering to be invited to things. And I also want to make sure that when I say yes, I'm not going to be able, it's, I'm not I'm not going to bail, because I don't do that. Like if I say yes to something. I'm there. (Brad: Yeah.) So I really try to make sure that I don't say yes to things and then go, "Hey, you know what, I know I said it at dinner at your house tonight. And it's five o'clock, and you've been making dinner all day, I'm sure. And I'm not coming." Like I don't do that. So I'm, so if you're struggling to say no to things, find out when you people need to know things by that should just be a go to when do you know my answer by so that you can then start to practice saying yes or no.Brad Crowell  Right. Yeah. And it's a great way that's actually really solid advice because ... (Lesley: Thank you.) And ... You're so welcome. In the moment, you're going to feel that pressure, right? But if you are giving yourself a buffer, "Hey, thanks so much for the invitation. Like when do you need to know by. I want to check my calendar and just make sure everything makes sense." Now now you have a time to like process that. Lesley Logan  Okay, let's talk about some BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action can we take away from your convoBrad Crowell  From your convo (Brad: From my convo.) with Kate Hutson?Lesley Logan  I know. I was I stole Brad line.Brad Crowell  She did. But it's okay.Lesley Logan  It's fine. I love Kate Hutson. If I haven't said already. She is really fun, concise, like she is was really good at like bringing she had so many great little gems in there. And ...Brad Crowell  Yeah. And it was very unfiltered.Lesley Logan  Yeah. Going back to our thing. I hope you all know we changed the word every week. Anyways, she had one.Brad Crowell  Yes, she gave us one solid action item.Lesley Logan  So she said for the rest of the year, try something new each month that you've never tried before. Holding ... what are you doing this month that you've never done before?Brad Crowell  That is a great question.Lesley Logan  I am going to look up this class that our friend Victoria.Brad Crowell  Can I, what do you need to know that by I'm going to check my calendar and get back to you?Lesley Logan  Well, we're recording this early. So you know, that's a great ...Brad Crowell  I was just joking about answering your question.Lesley Logan  Great. So, you know, we actually already did something this month we've never done before. So we're good there. (Brad: We did.) Yeah, we went to Chippendales. (Brad: Oh, yeah, we did that.) That was so fun. (Brad: It was pretty insane.) Shoutout to LA, what a great job. (Brad: Yeah.) So, but why we, why both Brad and I love this. And now the thing that I'm going to do for this month, I've never tried before, I'm gonna put in September, gonna buy myself sometime. Because our friend Victoria is like, there's a class at Millennium where you just lay on your back and do like leg stuff. And I was like, "She's so amazing."Brad Crowell  It's a dance class (Lesley: It's a dance class.) where you laying your back.Lesley Logan  Yes. But I've never I never did, I don't like to take dance classes because I can't dance. But I was like, "Oh, I can do that. That I could do." I'd be amazing. I might have a new like talent. I might be on a show with this talent. We don't even know yet. I have to go take the class first. But I'll do that first September. But why we love this is because you and I did The Artist's Way. (Brad: Yeah.) And you have to do something different every week. You take yourself on an artist's date every week. (Brad: Yeah, every week.) And it was annoying, and also extremely exciting.Brad Crowell  It was fun. Actually, it took it took a couple of weeks to get in the groove.Lesley Logan  Yeah. The first weeks, is it just felt like pressure.Brad Crowell  Yeah, I was like, "I gotta make time for this in my schedule." But then it became it became something to look forward to.Lesley Logan  Like a game. (Brad: Yeah) And it's kind of like, "Oh, what am I going to do for this that I've never done before?" And so why I love this is I think it is I know for me, I love routine. I love routine so much. I'm like, I'm doing this thing currently, I'm supposed to look for green cars, and I haven't even left the house. So I just keep looking at the only green car across the street like, "Oh, look green car. Look green car." Because like I suppose it's it's a thing from a book I'm doing. (Brad: That's really funny.) Anyway. (Brad: I think ...) I love my routine so much. I won't leave the house. Like I'll just stay here. I could just stay here for days. I could just stay at the house for days and only leave to walk the dogs and (Brad: It's true.) I'd be like, yes. So I love this because it's like, "Oh, if I'd have to do something new each month I'm gonna have to leave the house."Brad Crowell  Well, I think I think I decided what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna go fishing. (Lesley: Oh, okay.) I think I did that once before when I was like 12.Lesley Logan  Are you gonna go with my dad? (Brad: Yeah) Great. You know what I want to do? I want to take our paddle board out maybe I'll do that on Sunday by myself. Um, you'll have the van. (Brad: I will.) Okay, well, I will do that when you get back but I, I just ...Paddle boarding is fun.We have a paddle board and it's fun. And also we ...Brad Crowell  Make sure you paddle board at Lake Mead and well ...Lesley Logan  I'm gonna find a body. Yes. Oh my gosh. Have y'all heard how many bodies their finding out for now? (Brad: I think it's four. Yeah.) Yeah. By the way, there's a lot of people who are pouring water into that on that lake. I swear, like come on the mafia has to be like, "Get the water in the lake. Get the water in the lake." Anyways, I just think can you all please do me a humungous favor? Tag this episode. (Brad: Yeah.) And tell us what you're gonna do this month you've never tried before? (Brad: Yeah.) And if you remember next month, do it again. (Brad: Do it again.) Because this is a great way if you're like hobby hunting, or you're unsure what your next step is, I promise you when you do something different you've never done before. First of all, it's really weird. It's really like scary nervous, like anxious and build this stuff up. And then you do it. And then you have like this data going back to John Mollura's episode, this data that you can do new things, and it breeds confidence.Brad Crowell  Yeah, that's ...Lesley Logan  All right. I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell  And, I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan  Thank you so much for joining us today. We are so freaking grateful for you. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Let us know by send us a DM to the pod, on Instagram and we'll catch you on the next episode.Brad Crowell  Bye for now.Lesley Logan  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day! 'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell   It's written produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli. Lesley Logan  Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing. Brad Crowell  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. 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A big happy birthday to our 40-year old, dad joking co-host, Brad! Join in today's convo to hear Brad and LL's perspective of bringing each of your experiences with you to the next, discovering your strengths and then translating them into other positions in life.  If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:Finding your strengths with StrengthFinder 2.0 Surrounding yourself with people who help create and support opportunities for your dreamIgnore the oddsTherapy, it's like laundry. Do it often.Someone is going to do it. Make it be you. Episode References/Links:StrengthsFinder 2.0 If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:25  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the candid convo I had with John Mollura in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened that interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to that one. And then come back and join us. You know what I saw something? Today, I was trying to listen to a podcast and it had a part two. And I was like, "Ah, I don't want to listen to part two I want to listen to part one." (Brad: Okay) So here's what you do, everyone this is for obviously, just for the one, the one way to listen to podcasts. But on the Apple, you can actually hit the little three dots, the little ellipses on the episode in your listen now. And then you can actually it'll have a bunch of options that go to podcast. And it will take you to all the episodes of that pod. And then you can drop down one below in case your podcast load up like mine, which is the newest one first, which might be the recap and not the original. Just so you know and just a little instruction, the ...Brad Crowell 1:19  I love where you're going with this.Lesley Logan 1:20  Yeah. Anyways, happy birthday, Brad.Brad Crowell 1:23  Hey, thank you. Thank you so much.Lesley Logan 1:26  It took you 40 years to lift this guy. (Brad laughs) Spoiler alert, I tried to order you that shirt and they're sold out.Brad Crowell 1:34  I'm so happy that they're sold out.Lesley Logan 1:37  I think he looks so cute in it.Brad Crowell 1:39  Oh, thanks. (Lesley: Anyways) I do not need that shirt.Lesley Logan 1:41  Brad is 40. (Brad: 40) And all week long, my father has been letting him know.Brad Crowell 1:48  Oh, it mercilessly. (Lesley: Since ...) Every time I go, he goes, "Looks like you're getting close to 40. What's the name of almost 40?" (Lesley and Brad laughs) Lesley Logan 2:00  Yeah, so this year, my mom turned 60, my dad turned 70. Brad turned 40. And the rest of us are going backwards in time. So sucks to be you. No kidding. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 2:09  No. We're going we're also going to jump off a building.Lesley Logan 2:13  Yeah, you keep saying that. So y'all in Vegas, there is this situation on top of the stratosphere. And you pay a lot of money.Brad Crowell 2:25  The Strat is like the second tallest building in town. Maybe the tallest building in town, not even sure.Lesley Logan 2:29  I mean, it was from the 80s. So is it any of those things anymore? Who knows? But the reality is, is you can see it from space. And you can see it from our living room. And you can see people on the little rides. But ... (Brad: No, you could see it from space.) Yeah, that's what my Uber driver said and that you know, they're always correct.Brad Crowell 2:45  It's like the internet. It must be true.Lesley Logan 2:47  Where you should get your information. It's also the same Uber driver who knew what the inside of our house look like before it was remodeled. That was weird. (Brad: Yeah, that was weird.) That was weird. Anyways. Okay. So you're on the stratosphere, and you can pay a lot of money for them. It's not a bungee jump. It's more of like, you're connected to a cable that's ... (Brad: It's like a freefall.) Yeah, it's a freefall, which sounds so scary. And so a person I had dinner with, I was at dinner with Strong Fitness Magazine and somebody there with just did it and he showed me his the video because they put a GoPro on you. And so he was, he fainted at the top. So in the video he is out, he is falling, his out and then when he comes to, he just screams F U to the friend that signed him up, that 's the video. (Brad and Lesley laughs) Anyways, so that's a Brad, my Dad and possibly some other people are gonna do. I want to say I'll do it, but I'm gonna sit and tell you right now I just nothing's gears. I don't want to wet my pants. That is my biggest fear. Like I pee because I'm so scared. (Brad and Lesley laughs) Just coming all the way down. Anyways, happy birthday, Brad. (Brad: Thank you so much.) I love you so much and I'm so happy you're just a tad bit older than me.Brad Crowell 3:58  Somehow, I think I'll be able to maintain that.Lesley Logan 4:01  I love it. I love it so much. Okay, we do have an audience question.Brad Crowell 4:06  We do, which is so fun. And you can wish me a happy birthday or ask an audience question at the @be_it_pod on IG. (Lesley: Yeah, on the gram.) Just shoot us a DM. The question that we had this week was, "What is the quiz you took that told the two of you your strengths?" (Lesley: Yeah. So we ...) We probably alluded to about 4000 times.Lesley Logan 4:29  4000 times (Brad: Yeah) and just enough for people to go, I need to do that and then not know we talked about. So, this is great question. I love this getting this question because I, Brad and I are like obsessed with with the Strength Finders 2.0. So that is the qu... Is that a quiz?It's not really a quiz. It's a test. (Lesley: It's a long time ...) No, it's like 25 minutes, 30 minutes.What is the difference between a quiz and a test, length of time? The score ...Brad Crowell 4:55  That is a great question. (Lesley: The scores and tasks on your brain.) I think that it's a quest. (Lesley laughs)Lesley Logan 5:02  You're such a dad joke hit 40. (Brad laughs) And now, you're a dad joker.Brad Crowell 5:09  That's amazing. I'm proud of my dad joke skills even though I'm, no, I'm not really a dad.Lesley Logan 5:14  Quizzes are shorter than tests, whereas the test may have 50 questions or more, a quiz ... 10 or fewer questions. And by the way, when I was typing, what is the difference between a queue? It was quiz and a test or a quiche and a frittata ... (Brad and Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 5:30  Thank you Google. (Lesley: Thank you Google.) What's the difference between a quiche and a test?Lesley Logan 5:35  Okay, so um, so anyways, it's Strength Finders 2.0. (Brad: Yes) It's a gallup thing.Brad Crowell 5:40  Yeah, gallup, g a l l u p, gallup.Lesley Logan 5:43  You don't have to read the book. Although there is a book that kind of explains why these different strengths matter and how different CEOs have put their strengths together. And we were just out having dinner with Michael Unbroken who was episode 100, something. And he was like, "You guys like Strength Finders 2.0?" We actually talked about why we liked it. So basically, for us, knowing our top strengths kind of allows you to realize like, you are a little bit more able to apply your strengths to different things like you might be thinking, you're really strong in this one job, and you're not sure you can switch over, but when you know your strengths, you know how you can switch it, you can apply those strengths in different roles. So Brad was a musician, but he realized that his strengths, were actually things that a CEO or CEO could use.Brad Crowell 6:29  Yes, Michael was 105.Lesley Logan 6:31  Thank you, 105. Thanks, Google. (Lesley laughs) This episode brought to you by not them. So anyways, um, so that's to me why it's really important for you to know also for us, since we do have people on our team, we, we knowing our strengths allows us to hire people that are not a duplicate of us, because that would be that would be a nightmare for the team if there was too many. Brad Crowell 6:54  Well, I think I think I can honestly say that taking this test, this quest 'changed my life.' Because when I was first took it in 2010. I'd been in Los Angeles for only two and a half years. And I was worried. My concern was, what if I don't become rich and famous from playing music? What am I gonna go do with my life? What do I just like move home? And like, I don't know, work at a bank or something? I don't know where. Because I was like, that's supposed to be where the money is at the bank? (Lesley: If you're gonna say. Oh my God. I don't think so.) I think I would be the best bank teller ever. I would be having a party and everyone would be like, "Dude, just do your job."Lesley Logan 7:37  Yeah, you, therefore the worse. But everyone would love you.Brad Crowell 7:39  Probably, the worst at my job. So anyway, I didn't know I that's the only thing I could imagine for myself. And I was like, I don't know, I don't know what to do if like, I don't sell a million albums. And this quest really helped me ...Lesley Logan 7:54  Just in case you didn't follow the quiz and a test is a quest.Brad Crowell 7:57  quantify, what I was doing in life into a, a skill that I could actually verbalize. For example, I was the guy behind the band, doing all the business stuff, booking the gigs, getting, you know, getting the marketing material together, actually promoting it, going out convincing people to show up, when we get to the venue, we'd be there early, I'd be hauling all the gear inside, it'd be connecting all the microphone cables and all the stuff and then at the end of the show, we would go to the venue and then we'd get paid, right? And it was like a whole, there's all these other things that happen around the band, that don't actually have anything to do with playing. Right. And I was doing ...Lesley Logan 8:43  He did play too, by the way. He said he's the man behind the band, but he's also the man in the band.Brad Crowell 8:47  Yeah, it was in the band, too. But basically, I had to do all these other things. And I didn't really, I never really understood that what I was doing was operations. And so when I took the Strengths Finders quest, what made me realize is that ... (Lesley: I just, can you imagine ...) For those of you who can't see, she's shaking her head.Lesley Logan 9:08  Yeah. Now, look, here's this, they're not like we're not affiliated with them ... (Brad laughs) This is not ... the promo. (Brad: When ...) Though it's not the copy. It's not the copy.Brad Crowell 9:18  It allowed me to tangibly identify what I was doing in a way that I could explain it to someone who isn't doing music, because that anybody else who's doing music, like, of course, you're going to haul the gear from the place to the other thing, of course, you have to rehearse, of course to do all these things. You know, it's just part of the game. But if you're not in a band, you might not really understand that and I certainly was not able to properly connect the dots for what I was doing, potentially being a viable hire at a company somewhere. (Lesley: That was not music like just that you could ...) Right. (Lesley: Yeah) And in fact, I didn't end up like the company that I ended up working for was a startup company and I ended up being the liaison between the CEO, the design team and the dev team because of my communication skills, and one of my top five strengths is communication. (Lesley: Yeah) And so, you know, I never would have understood, "Am I qualified to do this?" Well, maybe I've never done it before. But I can tell you that I'm really good at communicating and listening and understanding what they need. And I can go and I can communicate that to the rest of the team. And so, you know, it was just one of those really revealing moments.Lesley Logan 10:27  I think you all should do it. I think it's so important to know. I mean, there's so many tests out there, they all tell you different things about yourself. But like, even for me, I was I always struggled to understand like, why couldn't just do like, I'm like, "Oh, yeah, that's not I could do that." And I wouldn't like doing it. And so it's one of my strengths is significance. I like have to be do some, that means something, like everything I do, has to be bigger than the task. And it drives me crazy. But I also now understand like, well, that's a strength that I naturally have. (Brad: Yeah) And so no wonder I'm frustrated when the task is just like, kind of not impacting the world. I'm like, this isn't this isn't my strengths wise. So it just helps you make more sense of yourself. So take it and then let us know tag us and your top five. We want to know.Brad Crowell 11:10  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. If you go take this test, this quest because of speaking with us, the you know what, we're gonna put a link in the show notes. If you want to go take this quest, I recommend it. And basically, we want to know what your top five strengths are. So you can you can just ig them to us, ig is IG. (Lesley: Oh my gosh.) So, now really going down. (Lesley: No, no we are not making that a word.) That was a bad one, that was a bad one. (Lesley: No, not and that ... winner.) I can see. That was that was pretty weak. You can just DM, you can DM them to us on the ig. (Brad laughs)Lesley Logan 11:43  No! No, no, you got to make one word up. You don't get to make three words up. It's like it's like multiplicity.Brad Crowell 11:51  Hey, it's my birthday. I can make up words.Lesley Logan 11:53  Happy birthday. I think no, I think in the fine print on birthdays, you could make it one word. Anyway ...Brad Crowell 11:59  Anyway, check the show notes. Really, I couldn't recommend it enough, 'Changed my life.' Okay. So ... (Lesley: Okay, let's talk about John.) Now then, let's talk about John Mollura, a travel enthusiast, ex NASA engineer and a lover of photography. John Mollura left the safety net of his government job become a multi award winning luxury portrait photographer, and he now works to empower individuals through portraits. And as a huge proponent of overcoming impostor syndrome to live out your dreams.Lesley Logan 12:30  I have to just share this I won't say who but one person on our team actually messaged us before you listen to this podcast and tell me all the things that she thought about it. And so way to go, John, the team was listening and talking about the pod before the pod was even released. (Brad: Yeah, our team.) Yeah, our team. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, it was a great, he's a great person, and we're gonna all all go to Delaware and get our photos taken. (Brad: Oh) But I wonder if he'll drive out here to hang it because that ...Brad Crowell 13:00  Right, right, right. That'll be impressive, John.Lesley Logan 13:02  Yeah, cuz I would like to see how long it's gonna take ...Brad Crowell 13:04  Yeah and he also have helps out with wardrobe selection. So (Lesley: Yeah) you know, you're welcome to come to Vegas and do those things. That'd be so fucking ... (Lesley: I think you can do that on Zoom.)Lesley Logan 13:13  Anyways, okay. So something I love that he said is surrounding yourself with people who have been where you are. So he was talking about specifically investing in people who have gone through where you are, and listen to their advice and past. (Brad: Yeah) And, of course, I love this because obviously, we are coaches and we coach people, on past we've gone down, and But truly, I think so many people are like, "I gotta pull myself up by my bootstraps. I got to forge my own path. I gotta do it like this." Let me just tell you, it's so much easier if you get someone that you trust to be someone who invest your time and money in because you'll show up as a different person. And you'll actually take the advice. Like, for example, we go around and I have tons of people, friends who like have asked us questions, and we'd like given them a little bit of business advice or two, not a single one of them has applied any of it. And when we see them a year later, they're literally asking, they're be like, "I know, you told me to do blah, blah, blah." And I'm like, "Yeah, a year ago, I charge a lot of money for that advice and you ..." But because they didn't invest in it, they didn't put value on it. (Brad: Sure) And so I just, you don't have to do this these things alone and in almost any industry, except for maybe I don't know something in NASA. Someone has gone on the journey, even if it's not identical, even if it's like yes, I'm I'm a Pilates teacher who does business coaching but ...Brad Crowell 14:31  Even the guy, even even in NASA, (Lesley: Yeah) because he basically got brought under the wing of a guy who was like, "I like this kid. You know, he's somebody I could hang with." And then that became John's mentor.Lesley Logan 14:47  Yeah. So I just, I, I swear to you, every person that I see doing something I want to be doing, they all have a coach, they've all invested, they put themselves (Brad: Yeah) around and also put themselves in groups. So it wasn't just a one on one coach, but into a mastermind with other people (Brad: Sure) support them, hold them accountable, show them that there are opportunities out there that you may not even have dreamed of. And so if you are stuck, if you are not where you want to be, then I say surround yourself with people. Well, he said it and I agree. (Lesley laughs)Brad Crowell 15:19  Yeah, I mean, when you when you are around other people, you're constantly ideating, you're constantly growing, you're learning, you're referring things to each other, because you're all doing 'it', whatever 'it' might be. And, and then when you have a mentor, who's been where you are, that's the, that's like really a part of it is they know how much effort it takes, they know, you know, they, they're not going to sugarcoat it, they are going to be real with you, because they believe in you. And they know that this is something that can be done, probably because they did it already. And you know, there they are, where they were, or they are where you want to be. And so you know, obviously you're going to learn a lot from somebody in that position.Lesley Logan 16:07  Yeah. What did you like?Brad Crowell 16:08  So, clearly, I loved the Star Wars connection. And in fact, there's a whole lot more of a connection. By the way, side, total total side note, I laughed out loud when his wife said, your, your your skin looks the color of a, what did he say, wet ashtray right now? Because he hated his job. And he was just like, down the he was miserable. Right. And she said, she said, I laughed so hard, you know.Lesley Logan 16:38  I heard I heard you laugh out loud. Also, speaking of Star Wars, did I tell you that Jason went to the star... Jason Frazell from another podcast? He went to the Star Wars thing.Brad Crowell 16:49  No, down in Florida. Oh, yeah. (Lesley: Without you.) Everybody do that, without me. (Lesley laughs) Damn it J.Ah, that's okay. You can go with John. I'm sure he will go. I can go with John ... (Lesley: Anyways) So, so he started to talk about the story about the Nat Geo. And how he, when he was younger was like, "Wow, how amazing would it be? If I were to be able to be a National Geographic." And the odds are like, you know, like, microscopic, right? You basically, it's like trying to become a basketball player. Right. There's like one in one of their, like, 400 basketball players in the world or something, or in the US, anyway, and professional, I mean. And that, that's like, basically the odds of getting your, your photo published by Nat Geo. And he said, his hero, one of his heroes was (Lesley: 3% chance of becoming a basketball player.) 3% chance. Okay, (Lesley: Yeah) this seems even smaller.Lesley Logan 17:44  And less than less than 2% for women. SoBrad Crowell 17:46  Han Solo has a famous line in the movie where he says, "Never tell me the odds." And And so John had pinned that above on his board, were like, above the Nat Geo thing, "Never tell me the odds." And he didn't say how many years later. But that was always there in the back of his mind that he's working on it. And he's submitting things and he's doing all the things. And sure enough, they eventually published or included one of his photos and something, which is amazing. It is so incredible, is like the biggest bragging rights of a photographer to have. But, you know, since then, he's really taking that model to heart. You know, don't tell me the odds.Lesley Logan 18:29  I want that a poster on our wall. I can go above our new couch goal that we got.Brad Crowell 18:33  I'm in it. (Lesley: Yeah, I'm in. I'm in.) I'm in on it.Lesley Logan 18:36  I'm in. He's in it.Brad Crowell 18:37  I'm in it people. (Lesley: He's in it.) I'm in the downtown if you ask. (Brad and Lesley laughs)Lesley Logan 18:43  I'm sure there's a couple letters that make Brad in there. (Brad: Oh man.) Anyways ...Brad Crowell 18:48  I love it. So that was a that was I I don't think (Lesley: Well, you know ...) I've never really talked about this, but I almost went to college for photography. (Lesley: Did you really?) Yeah, yeah. (Lesley: I didn't know that about you.) Yeah, it was music or photography, and I ended up doing music.Lesley Logan 19:03  And now you do photography.Brad Crowell 19:05  And now I do ... Well that's because I was I've always been passionate about it. And and Star Wars and but yeah anyway,Lesley Logan 19:13  Well, John (Brad: good times) you know, made me think because my brain just went, "I'm gonna take you on the journey out." He said he's go... he wanted to go to photography in college if it wasn't music and my brain went to on Cambodia. He takes all of our pictures. And then it made me think that like John needs to come to Cambodia to take pictures because Peach could teach him a ...Brad Crowell 19:31  Oh, she could. Oh, yeah, our tour guide is a wizard.Lesley Logan 19:35  A wizard. Home girl knows how to use the iPhone in ways that Apple hasn't even taught us. I'm just gonna call it they've never said this. It's it's amazing.Brad Crowell 19:45  And we're not revealing her secrets. You're gonna have to come with us. (Lesley: You have to come.) Yeah. (Lesley: You have to come.)Lesley Logan 19:50  I do love that quote. I'm gonna keep it and remember it and even though it wasn't a BE IT action item. I think we should all like BE IT action item number one, never go look at the odds because ...Brad Crowell 20:00  Never tell me the odds.Lesley Logan 20:01  Well, because like, I think if every single person listening to this is like thought back about some of their accomplishments. I bet you all have beat me odds in some way or another. Right. (Brad: Sure) ... just so you know, the fact that you exist on this planet is a beat of the odds, because it's like one and 72 million sperm or something like that, that has to hit a particular one of them. Like, it's you beat the odds just by being born. (Brad: That's true.) Yeah. (Brad: This is true.) Anyways, um, but I'm down with it. And we should just like put on a shirt.Brad Crowell 20:33  All right. All right. All right. Finally, let's talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with John Mollura? (Lesley: It's your birthday.) It is my birthday. So I'm take.. I'm jumping in. So he talks about overcoming the negative voices in your head. And I don't think that it was easy for him. And I don't think that it's something that's like 100% of the way either, because he talked a lot about it during the webinar that he did for our Agency members. But he mentioned therapy. And he said, it's one of the it was a really challenging thing for him to embrace. And the reason is, because he's very self sufficient. Right? So and he made this again, hilarious joke of like, "John, you need some help out there." And he's like, "No, no, it's cool. I got I got it's just a little awkward." You know, and, and that's his mentality for approaching everything, "Do it myself. I got this. I don't need any help." And I think that, what he transitioned that into, to therapy and why he went or how hard it was to go get therapy. But when he finally did, how powerful it was for for, you know, his own self talk, and how that began to make changes in the way that he thinks about himself talks, you know, to himself, and then how that's impacted him today.Lesley Logan 22:03  Yeah, I mean, again, therapy, it's like laundry. Do it often.Brad Crowell 22:09  Everybody needs to do it.Lesley Logan 22:10   Everyone needs to do it. Everyone needs to do it. Okay,Brad Crowell 22:14  What about you?Lesley Logan 22:14  I loved this. He said, like, somebody told them, like, "Somebody's going to do it. Why not you?" And I know you could say like, you can say that in many different ways. But the truth is, is like, let's just because the podcast with positivity, "Somebody's gonna do it. Why not you?" Why not you? Because I say this all the time to our and on Profitable Pilates for our business coaching, you are the only person who can do what you do the way that you do it. (Brad: Yeah) You're it because every single one of us has a life experience that is not duplicatable. (Brad: No) Even if you have a twin who did the entire life with you. You still have different personalities, you still have, like you, there's still different things you resonate with. And so I just, I know so many of you are thinking of all these different excuses of why you can't do what you want to do, or why you're not taking the next steps. But or why even you like who are you to do these things. But you're it,you're the only person who can do it. So why not you? And I just I think whenever your negative self talk is saying like, "Oh, no, you can't do it." And go, "Why can't I do it?"Brad Crowell 23:22  Well, I think that also like reading it again, someone's got it. Someone is going to do it. (Lesley: Yeah) You know, so someone's got to do it. But someone is going to do it. So why not you? Right. So and what I think he was talking about was quitting his job and making six figures as a photographer.Lesley Logan 23:22  Yeah, cuz someone's gonna make six figures.Brad Crowell 23:41  Someone's gonna do it. (Lesley: Yeah.) So why not you.Lesley Logan 23:44  Well, there's photographers making seven figures. (Brad: I'm sure, 100%) Yeah. (Brad: Yeah) So why not you? So whatever is keeping you back like, why can't why is it, why is it that you can't be the person?Brad Crowell 23:54  Yeah. You know, and that, and that's like, what he said was that, that stuck with him. It was a offhand comment from somebody that, you know, he knew and, and he said, over the years, he's brought that back (Lesley: Yeah) many times as, as kind of like a, it's almost like a mic drop. You know, like, when, when, when you're in self doubt, like, "Oh, you know, I am not qualified on that, that thing or whatever." And it's like, well, someone's going to do it. Why not you? (Lesley: Yeah.) Yeah.Lesley Logan 24:24  Yeah. Well, with that, mic is dropped. (Brad: Boom) I'm Lesley Logan.Brad Crowell 24:29  And I'm Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 24:30  Thank you so much for joining us today. How are you going to use these tips in your life?Brad Crowell 24:34  These 40 year old tips in your life?Lesley Logan 24:35  Yes, because it took him 40 years to get to quest (Brad: to boom) By the way, we are so freaking grateful for you. (Brad: Yes) We really are. I love, I love that we did make this podcast for you. And I love your DMs. I love the way you share these BE IT action items. I love the screenshots you send me. So keep them coming, keep your questions coming and send us a DM to the @be_it_pod on Instagram and let John and us know what you're going to do with these tips. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.Brad Crowell 25:02  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 25:02  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review. And follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it help us and others BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day! 'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'. Brad Crowell 25:02  It's written produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli. Lesley Logan 25:02  Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing. Brad Crowell 25:02  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. 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There is no quick fix in whatever endeavor you are working on. It's determination, acknowledgement, and a whole lot of self trust. This week's conversation is a testament that wherever your life path takes you, there is time to adjust, to chase the things on your heart, and to overcome the negative voices that are holding you back.  If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:From summer jobs to NASA Stop listening to the odds of success and take action Noble obstacles and the weight of responsibility Surrounding yourself with the people who have been where you are Overcoming Imposter syndrome and mental health struggles Creating the right space for empowerment Episode References/Links:InstagramMollura Photo WebsiteFacebookJohns Course on Profitable Pilates...COMING SOON :) BIO: John is a multi-award-winning luxury portrait photographer specializing in empowering and creative portraits that create personal transformation. John's backstory is one that exudes personal transformation. Prior to becoming a full-time photographer, John had a successful fifteen-year career as a leading test engineer for NASA and military projects. However, after a series of personal and professional changes, he chose to follow his dream of becoming a photographer.  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Lesley Logan 0:00  Hey, Be It listener, how are you? Have you ever had a plan not go as planned? I guess it's not really anything like, how have you ever had something not go as planned? There it is. Um, yeah, me too. I think that's actually helped plans go. I'm, I'm becoming more increasingly convinced that plans are only meant to like be like the compass that gets you started. And then the rest is kind of figure it out as you go. And, and that's the hard part because we all want certainty. And we all really want to know that, like, if I do this, and this is going to happen. And the more people I interviewed, the more I am noticing a strong theme and that a) things don't go the way we expect. And b) sometimes, not sometimes, every time something is happening is happening for you. And it's setting you off on this track and this, and this journey that you are meant to be on. And I'm so grateful that our next guest cross paths and our like our paths cross because he's super cool. I really I really liked him. I I think Brad and I will be friends with him for hopefully a long time because he is just an inspiration. And he share so passionately and authentically his story. And I really believe that you can learn so much from it. So he when you'll hear in the interview, but this is the person whose plan A didn't go and then plan B didn't go and like, of course you get down and depressed. And you find yourself doing a job. You're like, "Why am I doing this?" Like, "Why am I doing this?" And that's the thing, that's the thing that actually makes you shine a little differently, shine a little brighter become something that somebody else pays attention to. And and it completely changes trajectory of your life. And so please don't underestimate the crazy weird jobs you've ever had to do, or the experiences you've ever had. Because those experiences, those weird jobs, those weird skill sets, literally might be the reason and the thing someone is looking for to hire you or to spring you on to their show or to or to have you speak in front of their audience. Like those are the things, too often we're looking for the degrees or the certifications or, or you know, some sort of like title with letters after it that we think is going to be why someone picks us. But it could literally be the weird thing you did one summer. And so stop under estimating yourself. Give yourself some time to write down all the things you've ever done. And think about it as you listen to this interview with John because I think it's really powerful. And I'm really excited for you to hear from him how he became a rocket scientist. And now he is a really well sought after photographer and I can't wait to work with him. So that's going to happen, I'm putting on my list for this year. All right. So let me know how this interview impacts your life. Please let John and I know, tag us on Instagram. Share this with people that need to hear it and here he is.Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast, where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.All right, my loves. I have John Mollura with us. I didn't say your name, right. John Mollura. (John: You got it.) How do you say it? John Mollura?John Mollura 0:25  Just like you said it. Mollura. Yeah.Lesley Logan 0:28  I do this all the time, like I, I 100% check names and like, "Oh, I know his name we're good." And then I'm like, "Did I say it, right?" And it's anyways, it's my own thing. Everyone, we have John Mollura here. And I am so excited from literal rockstar to incredible photographer, and he has an amazing story. And I'm just so happy our paths crossed, I really have to say, you know, I put out a thing like, "Hey, I'm looking for this," and you put yourself up there. And then when you're like, "Oh, here's the topic that I'm going to talk about." It made me laugh because I'm like, "How on earth could you talk about impostor syndrome when you had like no imposter syndrome with of like saying, 'Hey, I'm the person you should talk to.'" So John, thank you for being here on this podcast. I really am excited to talk about all the things that you rock at. Can you please tell everyone a little bit about how you became like a rocket scientist to a photographer? (Lesley and John laughs) Not exactly like the linear plan that I think people would expect?John Mollura 1:24  Well, the key was I didn't really have any life plan. And that's something that I've just kind of done. So exhibit A, you know the podcast like I just, even though I wrestled with impostor syndrome, and pretty severe anxiety, a lot of my life. I just always had that pioneer spirit, if you will, or I would just, I'd rather be, you know, on the tip of the spear, the first person going in because I get bored, so easy. And I'd rather just put myself out there. And just try something, (Lesley: Yeah) with risk being, you know, just bored and static. So ...Lesley Logan 2:04  So you're saying you could never have just like, worked behind a cubicle doing the same thing every day? You're ...John Mollura 2:10  That lasted nine months ... (John laughs)Lesley Logan 2:12  Oh, hey that's longer than I think I lasted when somebody tried to ask. I was like, "I don't think I'm really good at this." (Lesley laughs)John Mollura 2:19  Yeah, yeah, that came right at the end where I where I jumped ship on corporate world after 16 years and start doing photography full time. But backing up, yeah, so I used to be a literal rocket scientist. I lead test missions for NASA and the Department of Defense from Antarctica on projects to England. You know, garden spots, like, you know, Sandusky, Ohio in February. It was literally all over the map. And the way I fell into that job was my buddies and I were sitting around Penn State, senior year, probably, like some wing and beer night. And a call came for people to interview for the company. I made the spacesuit for NASA. And I say, I'm gonna ...Lesley Logan 3:05  Wait. (John: Yeah) Wait, hold on. I'm sorry. You're just having wings and beer. And they're like, "Hey, there's this job to work for NASA. We're you qualified for this?" (Lesley laughs)John Mollura 3:15  Oh, I felt I wasn't because although I did, I did okay in school. School never came real easy for me, in engineering school, for those of you that are familiar with is an absolute grind. It whenever we sat in our freshman orientation, they said, "Look to the person to the left to you and the person to your right. And they're going to wash out in the next four years. One (Lesley: What a pep talk.) of you, two of you three." Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it was like, it was like signing up for you know, buds with the Navy seals, it's like, "Pretty much all of you are not going to be able to make it. So good luck."Lesley Logan 3:47  Okay, so here's what I can tell you. Absolutely, very few people listen to this podcast, probably are familiar with engineering schools. (John: Right) I don't know. No offense to the ones who are so. So you did go to engineering school. (John: Yeah.) Okay. And then you're having the wings and beers. And then you see that this is job with this company who made the NASA outfits.John Mollura 4:06  Yeah, the spacesuits like since like the Apollo days. (Lesley: It's a real thing.) Yeah, the real deal. Yeah, not the stuff you know, for soundstage like the stuff they actually put on the rocket and you know, allegedly landed on the moon with you know, depending on which side of the fence you fall on (Lesley: Yeah) the debate. But so I sent my resume in as a joke like thinking like there's no way like this company is ever going to want to hire me. And sure enough, they did, they want to do a phone interview. You know, this was back in the late 90s. So like, there was no FaceTime, no Zoom, like I was sitting on my shared landline in my fraternity house. And yeah, there were some guys like you know, ... next dorm sitting there on a phone interview talking to ... (Lesley: NASA) Yeah, yeah. (Lesley: No big deal.) Yeah, no big deal. And I was interviewing to be like a project manager, which I had no clue what that would be. And knowing what I know now, that would have and awful fit, I would have been terrible that. And the summer before I applied when I was I think a junior in school, I taught rock climbing for the Boy Scouts. Because I have all lined up, you know, to go do an internship at Disney, like be Disney. And I lost it to like another person like me and one other person and I lost it. And yeah, and it was like, late April, you know, this is also a recurring thing with me. I don't really have a plan B a lot of times.Lesley Logan 5:34  Right. Doesn't, it also kind of no offense, doesn't really sound like yeah, there's a either, it's ...John Mollura 5:38  Yeah. It just like Forrest Gump my way through life. (Lesley: Yes, I'm loving it.) Yeah ...Lesley Logan 5:44  I wish, I wish I could do that. I'm like, I need a b 27 letters later. I would like another.John Mollura 5:51  Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, I not not my thing. You know, my wife and I always joke. It's like, you know, there's two types of people in the relationship. There's the person that says, "All right, I got the passport. I got the boarding pass. I got the hotel reservations and the rental car reservations." And then the other person in the relationships, like, "Where are we going?" (Lesley and John laughs) (Lesley: Oh, my God.)Lesley Logan 6:14  You know what's really funny, is up until this moment, like I was like, oh, yeah like Brad is like, kind of that person. He's like, "Oh, I can do that. Oh, I'm gonna sign up. What?" Like he'll get bored and the same thing all the time. But when it comes to travel, he has our passport. He has a dropbox folder of all of our visas. He has all the things that I'm like, "So we're going?" So anyways, okay, so, you, you're going you're teaching rock climbing for Boy Scouts.John Mollura 6:42  Yeah, yeah, that was that was the summer before the infamous wings and beer night where we decide to apply to you know work on critical life saving equipment. And but I put that on my resume because I got that job after the whole Disney thing fell through, my fraternity brother walked in the room and they'll say, "Hey, you're right, man." And I'm like, "No, I'm pretty far from okay, right now, dude." Tell them what happened because we are outdoorsy, you want to you know, you want to work at a scout camp. I'm like, "I was never a Boy Scout. I didn't wear goofy green shorts and run around." It seems like, alright, well, don't say things like that, but we could hire you. So I worked with the maintenance crew. Like until like, I could do my assigned job, which was I was supposed to be a watersports director. And I, once again, I was like, "I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to sail or do anything. I can swim that's about it." They're like, "We'll train you." I'm like, "Alright, cool, you'll train me," whatever. And, but until like training, like there was like a six week gap. And I worked with the maintenance crews and I had like zero, like trade skills. So I was I was the guy just like schlepping the chainsaws through the woods. And you know, when the when the septic drainage truck would need something like I'd like run out their stuff. And the crescendo of my glamorous jobs was when we got the cabins readied for the people to come in. They've been uninhabited in the Catskills for like nine months. Well, a lot of mice apparently with like, try to get water in the toilets and like fall in the toilet. Yeah, the look on your faces at all. (Lesley laughs) So my job was I, I got to pull the dead mice out of the toilets that I had, like sunk. Now, that was my job, honest to God.Lesley Logan 8:24  Oh, my God. So that's what NASA, you put that on your resume?John Mollura 8:27  Well, not yet. I didn't put that on there. But which, you know, unfortunately, those kinds of skills did come, come in handy down the road in my career. So here I am doing this job. And I'm like, "This sucks. Like, I didn't sign up for this." But whatever, I'd no options. And, you know, I thought maybe it was just karma. You know, since Mickey Mouse like, you know, just me like now I'm like, dead mice ... (Lesley and John laughs) So, so anywho, so I'm getting ready to, I'm psyched, like I'm counting down the days. We go to training. They're gonna teach me how to like teach people to water ski and all this cool stuff. I'm like, "Awesome." And I'm like sitting in the middle of some like field like scrubbing rust off a propane tank that's like leaking next to me. And I'm thinking, "This sucks." But one more day, and they came up, the Directors came up and they're like, "Hey, John, how you doing?" I'm like, "Oh, I'm good. Good train and train. I'm leaving for training tomorrow." They're like, "Hey, yeah, bout that. We just got the call from the person that was here for the past two years. And they want their old job back so we don't have to pay to train you anymore." And I'm like, "Oh, God." So it's like ...So they're like, they're like, "You're fired. But we're happy because we ..."Oh, no, no, no, I wasn't fired. (Lesley" Okay, okay.) I impressed the Ranger, the maintenance crews so much (Lesley: that they wanted to keep you on.) They want to keep me on there and I'm thinking, "Oh my God. Alright, well, okay."Lesley Logan 9:46  How many more cats and toilets are there? John Mollura 9:48  Yeah, yeah. Right. How many more propane tanks am I gonna have to scrub? And so they're like, or you could be Assistant Director of rock climbing. I'm like, "I'll do it." They're like, "You want to hear what it is?" I'm like, "I don't know how to rock. I don't care. I'm not that scared of heights. I'll do it. When you trained me how to do it?" They're like, "Yeah, we'll send you to training." I'm like, my bags already packed like, "Alright, I'm out of here, man." So, so it ended up being a great fit. Yeah, I've worked with a great crew. Like, I supervised like I think over 700 Scouts, rappelling and rock climbing on like natural cliffs. We weren't in like a gym. We were like, (Lesley: Oh, this is like ...) outside, like turkey buzzards. Yeah, this is like, (Lesley: Oh) yeah, (Lesley: Like real, real stuff.) Like real deal. Yeah, like, like the rocks, like falling down. Like kind of stuff.Lesley Logan 10:33  That's crazy. So that's, what was on your resume that made them go?John Mollura 10:36  That's what was on my resume, Director of Rock Climbing.Lesley Logan 10:38  How crazy. (John: And ...) I wonder, you know what, probably if you had Disney on there, they'd be like, "hmm another Disney kid." Like ...John Mollura 10:44  Yeah, right. Yeah, (Lesley: They thought like they wouldn't have been as impressed.) It was Christina Aguilera's boyfriend, whatever. That Timberlake guy trying to get a job again? But so I put that on my resume, because I thought, you know, it showed I had some practical experience. You know, I had other engineering type stuff. And they said, "What's this about rock climbing?" I gave my little spiel, and they said, "Hang on a second, someone just walked by, we want you to talk to." And like they put me on mute. And I'm like, "O-oh." (Lesley: Yeah) And this nasally voice came on the phone again. No video back in the 90s. Sneezes voice goes, "Hey, what do you think about rock climbing on Mars?" And I just knee jerk reaction said, "Are you going to pay my airfare?" (Lesley: Yeah) And I thought, "Oh, God, I just blew it, just being a smartass." And this dude, who I had no idea who he was. Yeah. And then he interview, he gives "Get them down here." And they're like, "Alright, well, we're going to arrange an on site visit." And it was like an eight hour drive from where I went to school in Pennsylvania. And I come down here and lo and behold, that like mystery person that jumped on at the last minute. I was like the lead test engineer for like Mars landers. And he was a former Air Force Special Operations guy and tested fighter jets. And he and I just like hit it off like a ball of fire. He said, "I don't need the smartest person in the room." I'm like, "Good because you didn't get him." He's like, "I need someone I can send out into the field." You know, then ...And you're like, "Oh, actually super good. I can scrub brass top off propane." (Lesley: Yeah) Did you know that?Propane tank, you need dead mice. I'm also your guy for that. (Lesley: Do you have that on Mars? Don't worry. I've been there.) Yeah, right. We terraform Mars, I'll be I'll take care of all the plumbing issues. But so he said, "You're not you're not being confined to an office, being a some project manager." So for the next like seven years, like Skip, and I just went all over the world. He was my mentor. His name was Skip Wilson. And we just, you know, just did some pretty radical shit for the world.Lesley Logan 12:41  That's so ... Here's what I, here's what's so crazy. I hope, like, I hope you all just heard that. You could have easily been like, "Oh, I'm not smart enough. Oh, I'm not qualified enough." Like, I think so many people do not put their name in the hat for things because they they pre reject themselves. And yeah, you were probably like, you were like you said, half joking. Or like, whatever. Let's just like it's a game. Let's see what happens. But oftentimes, people are not looking for the most qualified, perfect scored, most well trained, they're looking for someone who they can get along with that they want to travel the world. (John: Yeah) And like, we'll get their hands dirty. And like, actually, just try and not assume that they know the answer. I think that is really a cool story.John Mollura 13:24  Yeah, yeah. So I did that. I said, you know, I did Skip for the next seven, eight years, you know, we we sadly lost him to cancer in mid 2011. Which really, I didn't realize how much it affected me. But it really affected me because he and I were one of the few that did what we did in our country and also in the world. So it really left the whole, like kind of like not having that like fallback position. Because you know, even though I was in charge, and I would lead a bunch of stuff, it's always nice to kind of like be like, "Hey, Skip." Or like, "Hey, Dad, what do you think of this?" (Lesley: Yeah, yeah.) So that's, that was what I did. And I stayed at that company until 2016. And by that point, like, I'd been there for 15 years, so the leadership had changed. It had become a very much profit driven company. Because the company the company, they got bought by venture capitalists, and yeah, that that old chestnut ...Lesley Logan 14:21  Yep there, I just actually heard it was on the Daily podcast, not a sponsor of the show everyone but they literally explain in layman's terms about like VCs and how like, these like they're taking over, like your vets, and your dentists and your all these things and (John: Yeah.) I'm like, "Oh my God," Anyways, (John: That's crazy.) that's another podcast, not ours. (John: Yeah) So go listen to that one if you actually don't understand how that works. Okay, so so you're in this job for 15 years that isn't that is in... insane like, "Let me see how this goes." Journey. What? I mean, obviously, it wasn't as exciting at work are they are having goals that were outside of what yours were? What how did you end up in your next thing? Were you, were you dabbling in photography while you're doing this? How did that go?John Mollura 15:09  Yeah, I had always done photography as a hobby. I think I got my first camera and I was like seven. So it was back in the mid 80s. So like I learned to shoot on film. And I was actually just looking through the first travel album I ever did after I got a real camera. We got my first Nikon with my daughter today. And she's like, "Why are these pictures so weird?" I'm like, "Well, it's because they were on film." And like ... (John and Lesley laughs) just had the kind ...Lesley Logan 15:34   Why are these pictures not moving themselves?John Mollura 15:36  Yeah, right. Yeah. But no, photography had always been a hobby. And like I said, I got to go to some very awesome places in my tenure as an engineer, and I was I just threw my camera in the bag. And you know, I'd have my Little Walter Mitty fantasies when I'd be out, you know, working on some engineering job pretending like National Geographic had just sent me an Anartica instead. And ...Lesley Logan 16:00  Okay, that is being it till you see it. You're like, (John: Yeah) "I am, I am taking pictures and they don't... like for National Geographic. Great."John Mollura 16:08  Yeah, so yeah, because that's like one of the big dreams like, you know, for photographers like that's like the gold standard. And I remember I was reading a National Geographic once, because that's actually what kindled my love of like photography, and like travel and wonderlust. It was a episode I saw my grandparents table, and it was about Mount Vesuvius, like back in the 80s at, like a par... I can still I could still see and that's what sparked my wanderlust in National Geographic, other than just kind of being like, the gold standard of photographers holds a special place in my heart because I, you know, it, that's really what kindled my wanderlust. And I remember reading an episode or a issue of National Geographic, probably 10, 15 years ago. And they had the statistics of like, the chance of like, having National Geographic, like, even look at your photo and let alone getting published. And they're like, look, you know, for an issue like the photographer's that we send out, they shoot, like umpteen 10s of 1000s of pictures, we get this many pictures just sent to us. This many pictures make it to the, like, final edit, but like it came down to these statistics that were like, just insane, like ...Lesley Logan 17:23  Less than a percent of a percent. (John: Right.) Yeah.John Mollura 17:27  So, I of course, tore that out, (Lesley: Yeah) and put it on my little vision board. And I'm a huge Star Wars nerd, as you know, from from the May of 4th, you know, thing we did together this year. (Lesley: Yeah) Han Solo is always like, just like my, like, such an icon to me, because he just had that swashbuckling like self confidence that I really didn't have, like, I might like, jump in and do things. But, you know, like I mentioned, like, imposter syndrome and anxiety and stuff were like, things that like traveled with me throughout my life. So like, Han Solo, it was always like, the, like the dude. You know, it's like, (Lesley: Yeah) "Man, if I could just be like that and have that confidence in my abilities. Like, that would be so awesome. So I print out his picture of Han Solo, you know, in it just said his one of his famous quotes from on the lot movies. Never told me the odds. Like he was doing some like thing where, like, there was like, zero chance of success. And he's like, "Don't tell me the odds. I'm just gonna do it."Lesley Logan 18:27  Oh, I see. (John: Yeah) I see. (John: Yeah) I see.John Mollura 18:29  Yeah. I never never tell me the odds of success or failure, because I'm just going to do it. It's not going to change my effort. So I took that and like, pinned it overtop of the National Geographic thing. And it (Lesley: Yeah) was always like, right next to my thing. And in 2016, I got notified that National Geographic was featuring one of my photos ... (Lesley: Shut up) Yep, in their your shot program. It was like they selected 12 photos a day to feature and mine was one of them.Lesley Logan 18:53  Shut up! (John: Yeah) That is insane. (John: Yeah) Oh, my God!John Mollura 18:56  Yep. So, (Lesley: Oh, my God.) I had that above my thing, like open like at these like insane odds, but then, you know, Han Solo always reminding me, you know, (Lesley: Oh, my ...) but don't worry about the odds, just do it.Lesley Logan 19:05  That is amazing. And also, Brad's gonna nerd hell out about this right now. Like, I know that he's listening right now. He's like, chuckling because, first of all, Star Wars. Yes. National Geographic. Yes. Like, and, you know, there's this like, common thing you said, like, you're like a pioneer, and I know very little about Star Wars, everyone. It's, it's okay, we clearly know this. By now like, I don't think I can get away with it. But what I do know, what I do know about Han Solo is, he is like that pioneer. He's like, just gonna like he is like, like, he doesn't need to see the map. He's just gonna go do it. And so I feel like, I feel like you've had some really good like spirit animals in your life guiding you into like, (John: Yeah) "Okay, I'm gonna be like Han Solo right now. I'm just gonna go do it." Anyways, that is so cool. (John: Yeah) This is amazing. Because, you know, I think, again, going back to like people thinking like, life gets really linear. You, you suppose to like you're like, "Okay, I'm a rocket scientist and then I'm a photographer." Like you were like, you were organically allowing one to still happen while you were doing this other thing. And I think that is really cool. We don't have to just be one thing and we don't have to just only like, we don't have to wait our turn for, for this thing to happen. Okay, that's amazing. So all, so when did that happen? When were you in National Geographic?John Mollura 20:21  That was in 2016.Lesley Logan 20:24  Okay, about the same time that you were leaving.John Mollura 20:26  It was right after I left my job that I had been 15 and a half years. And I've been doing photography as a side hustle for a number of years, like getting paid for it. But what self respecting father of three that lives in Southern, rural Southern Delaware would like leave the six figure job to be a photographer. So I didn't, I didn't leave the job I was at and go straight to a photographer. I went to another engineering company, (Lesley: Yeah) where I got paid even more money and like they'd fly me like first class to like Shanghai for these like meetings and ...Lesley Logan 21:02  Okay. So that the harder thing to give up. I'm just gonna be real, (John: Yeah, it was.) first class Shanghai, that's a little hard to give up.John Mollura 21:07  Yeah, yeah. If you're gonna be first class anywhere, like, don't don't be first class from like New York to Miami. Be it on like, a day long flight. (Lesley: Yes, yes.) But that job was was like a desk, it was a desk job. And I was, I was so unhappy in my previous job just because I had a lot of personal change going on, you know, that led up to that. But, you know, I just felt this, you know, responsibility in my family, where I couldn't do that. I couldn't, I couldn't be a photographer full time. Because there's no way I you can make anywhere close, you know, all these stories. And the Author Jon Acuff that I love called them noble obstacles.Lesley Logan 21:49  Oh, I love Jon Acuff. (John: Yeah) And that's noble obstacles. (John: Yeah) Interesting. Um, I also think it's interesting, like you said, a couple stories, like what self respecting, father of three would like leave this job to go do this. And then like, you know, these things, and it's, I know, people listening, a lot of them are saying the same thing to themselves right now. Maybe not that sentence, but like, there's a story that's keeping them from doing the next thing because of like, what other people will think or like, how, that's a crazy idea. And like, because we've not necessarily seen it, maybe didn't see Han Solo do it yet. Like, (John: Right) it's hard to imagine that it could be a possibility. So what was the impetus? How did you leave that job? How did you get over that?John Mollura 22:33  I had someone that was a mentor to me for a number of years in photography, and she was also a coach. And she invited me to a networking event because my thing was, I knew I had skills in photography. And but I didn't know how to sell it or market it and, or how to, like, even get in front of people. And she invited me to a networking event. And I'm like, "Oh, my God, there's actually like, ways to make this happen." So I came home and talking with my wife about it. And she's like, "You're miserable, dude." Like, she's like, "Your skin has like the pallet of like a wet ashtray." ... (Lesley: I like that she keeps it real.) Well, what she'd been living this for years (Lesley: Yeah) with me like, (Lesley: Yeah) yes, as my, my job just wasn't satisfying it. So yeah, I turned in my, my resignation in the spring of 2017, which was over five years ago. And when I became a full time photographer, and even that's evolved over the past five years and what I currently do, which is, which is portraits.Lesley Logan 23:38  Yeah. Okay, so, um, there's, I mean, like, I love this story, because A said, the detonics, but also like, it's not, it's, it's not predictable, but it's completely like something and every single one of us have a story like this. And we get caught up that like, it's has to be, "Oh, has to be a certain way. Oh, I have to do this and when I'll have this." And I just like that you kind of followed your passion. And even when you didn't, you have people around you who like shined a little flashlight on possibility. And there's just like constant theme, you have a mentor and you have people around you who are like being, who are being honest with you about who you are. And I think a lot of us don't have, like a lot of us pull ourselves back. We hide, we like don't want to be like fully seen because we want people to necessarily know like, the mistakes we make or like the thoughts we're having. But actually are you having a mentor and a coach and your wife and your like, they're they are the ones that kind of guided you to where to go next. And so it's just really cool because we don't have to do it on our own.John Mollura 24:41  Yeah, and that's always that's one of the biggest suggestions I always give people when they say, "How do you, how do you make a living, like make a good living as a photographer?" I say, "I hire people that have been down that path before me." They're like, "Oh, that sounds expensive." And I said, "Well, it's not inexpensive." But the paybacks monetarily are easy to quantify, but also just giving you that confidence that oh, these people have been down that path is worth a lot.Lesley Logan 25:15  Yeah, that's actually. I mean, and that's the thing that most people skip. They're like, they're, and I get that I get that everyone has bills, and everyone has a different budget, and there's all these things and but I agree, like, I would not be where I am today, had I not hired people who had gone through what I wanted to be through. Like, like, I was like, they knew the what it took to get to the next level because they already left that level. So like, I think, it is not the easiest decision to invest in yourself. But you have like, if you don't you just you don't even get to stay where you were. You you go backwards because you you're gonna feel stuck, miserable. And also, the world keeps going forward. Like that's the energy, your a rocket scientist, you I don't tell you that you know how energy works. So ...John Mollura 26:01  Physics of a cruel mistress, is very cruel. (John and Lesley laughs)Lesley Logan 26:07  Yeah, I actually, I'll be really honest, I am changed my major. This... So yes, I lost feeling in my fingers, which is one of the reasons why I changed my athletic training major. The other reason was, is I was like, "Physics? Why the hell do I have to do that? No, we're not doing that." So I was like, "What Science classes does a communications major have to do?" Great. The Math class, it was like statistics like, "Nope, I don't want to do that. What's the other like, what major gets me out of Algebra? I just, I just, I'm gonna hire someone to do the Math. It's fine." (Lesley laughs) Anyways, um, so okay, we've talked about it a couple of times. And I just want to touch on a little bit, because you've mentioned you had an anxiety you've had impostor syndrome. I know a lot of our listeners struggle with either one or the other, or both. And, and how, like, how has that been? Because I'm sure like, having anxiety and also like, being a parent and being a partner and being someone who's like, making these major changes. And now it's like, how did you get over... like, what was that? How did you move past that with everything going on?John Mollura 27:11  It, it goes back to the same way I did it in my business was working with therapists you know, coaches, people that even just a trusted person. But but, you know, therapy therapy was was super important. And what that was one of the hardest decisions for me to make, because, you know, one of my traumas from growing up was, you know, I had to become like, very self sufficient, you know, I just had this in it, and it still crops up, you know, I'm one of those fools that sometimes will be like, "You need help with that, John?" "No, no, it's just, it's just awkward," you know, when really, like, I need like three other people to help me. (Lesley: Yeah) So being aware of that, because, you know, there's no, there's no quick fix, especially with it will anything with your health, mental or physical, you know, just because you eat a salad one day doesn't mean you're gonna drop 15 pounds. (Lesley: Right) You know, it's, it's, it's putting in the reps and doing it. And it's the same with with mental, your mental health. You know, once, you know, I got got some tools from a therapist, and, you know, took medication for a while, just as a as, you know, as she put it, in vernacular, I could understand when I was an engineer, like, "This is just another tool in your tool chest John. This doesn't mean anything. It's just another tool." (Lesley: Right) So, you know, acquiring those skills, and doing some very honest self reflection, and realizing when things come up, and, you know, looking for patterns, maybe and those things and just having the desire to get better. You know, and (Lesley: Yeah) which was huge. And, you know, it's not perfect, not every day is sunshine and rainbows, and (Lesley: Yeah) but, you know, it's not about having everything be perfect. It's about how do you how do you respond when that's not perfect?Lesley Logan 29:12  Oh, yeah, that's good. That, that's a great question. That's also like, something to think about on a good day. So you have an answer for when on a bad day, you're like, "What am I supposed to do right now?" You're like ,"Oh, I actually on a day that I was feeling good about life, (John: Yeah, right.) wrote down a game plan for myself." Yeah, I think, um, I mean, it's there more and more, it's easier for people to talk about mental health and anxiety. And I do love that. But we do have so much more work to do, because I think so many people look at others and they, and for better or worse, you know, social media is always going to show the good stuff. Just is. And we then put on it, "Oh, they must not suffer from impostor syndrome, anxiety or any other things." It's like, no, it's just that they just didn't post about it on that day, they you know, that doesn't mean that like, they don't struggle with the same things. And so so a) the more we all can be aware that everyone is going through it at some point it that makes it easier. And then I love what you said like, had to decide, like you have to decide that like you wanted it to be better, that you wanted to do something. And I think that that's that's that's a tough one decision to make and but also believe that it could, so good for you. And also thank you for sharing that. You, I'm going to just let the cat out of the bag, because when this is up, it should be hopefully ready. You came into Agency to talk about impostor syndrome. Agency is our group coaching program. And literally after it was over people were like, "I need to buy that. I need to rewatch that. Oh my God, I can't believe I'm in that." And it's an interesting topic because I feel like more and more and more people will say, "I have impostor syndrome. I have impostor syndrome," is kind of like a catch all title. But when you broke it down, you explain a lot of things. And I and you know, everyone can go watch the course. But can you talk about why you got excited about this topic? Like what made you investigate it? What made you go, "Oh, I want to I want to, I want to explore this and also teach people about it." What was that?John Mollura 31:18  I don't want people to suffer like I did. And I didn't even know what impostor syndrome was for a very long time. And just being able to put a name to something, especially things that are troubling you, already gives you some power over that. So I really wanted to educate people on what impostor syndrome is. You know if anyone's listening to this, and you know, a real quick check to see if you've ever had impostor syndrome. That's a term you've never heard before is, "how do you respond when someone gives you a compliment"? Do you like genuinely say, "Oh, thank you very much. I'm so glad that you know that that spoke to you." And feel good about yourself or like, do you kind of get like these like weird feelings in your stomach. And maybe do some poorly delivered is tempted self deprecating humor, like, "Oh, you liked that song I wrote. Oh, you should probably get your hearing checked. Ha ha ha." (Lesley: Yeah.) Those are how impostor syndrome manifests. And I really just wanted people to understand how that is. Because if you look at my, my resume, my professional record on paper, you know, engineering or photography wise, you know, NASA, Department of Defense Commendations, National Geographic features, like, it sounds like I, you know, I got it all together. But a defining moment in my life was I remember getting a commendation letter from the Department of Defense for a project that I led. And I thought I'm up on the stage, so everyone can actually point their fingers at me and be like, "See, we knew you were full of crap. And you're actually not supposed to be here." And I remember like almost being in tears when I got the letter. And like, that's like one of those core memories that I have. So whenever the opportunity came up to speak about impostor syndrome, like, I don't want people to feel like that. Or if they do feel like that I want to teach them, provide them some resources that they can use to move past that.Lesley Logan 33:27  Yeah. Yeah, that's... Well I think, I think anyone listening is like, "Oh, my God, I can't believe that's how he felt when something amazing is happening." And yet, I bet, if we asked all of them like they would have, they could think of a time when an amazing thing happened. And they were letting their imposter syndrome. Tell them that it wasn't as amazing and that this isn't, they didn't deserve this, or somebody got it wrong. I loved it. I love, I love how you explained it, I loved everything you have to say our members loved it. And so everybody, we we will definitely put in the show notes. So you can watch, you can watch this amazing course from John, because I want to help you make sure that no one else has to suffer through that too. I think it is really important. It's really incredible. It's also what what so many of our listeners are suffering from and it's holding them back. And the whole point of this whole podcast is that I just know that every single person here listen to this has something that they're meant to do. And I cannot be imposter syndrome or the feeling that they're not good enough, which is the exact same things. I maybe redundant, but it cannot be that, that cannot be the reason that they don't do it. Like other reasons, sure. That one, no. Because that one, that one is something that together as a world I think we can really combat and we can we can we can work on that. So John, thank you for being you. Okay, we're gonna take a brief break, and then we're gonna find out how people can get their picture taken by you, find you, follow you, all that stuff.Alright, John, where do you hang out? Where are you on the socials? Where do people get to know more about you?John Mollura 35:10  Well, literally, I hang out in my car a lot, shuttling my three kids to various things. (John and Lesley laughs) But when I'm not doing that, they can track me down on social media, there's not a lot of John Mollura's out there. So just John Mollura Photography, M o l l u r a. And my website's mulloraphoto, and you can see samples of my work on there. And if, like I said, I do portraits, I specialize in people. And we're not talking about like the white, you know, backgrounds of JCPenney's Days of Your. I really like to create empowering photos of people. Because you know, how awesome does it feel to look at a really good photo of yourself, whether it's a selfie, or someone took it, and they just happen to catch you, right? Like that makes you feel so good. And ...You are so correct. You are so... I'm sorry to interrupt. You are so correct the other a couple episodes back, y'all. My friend Clare asked me about like, "How are you get ready for photo sessions?" And I have to say, many of the photo sessions in fact, one of the best photo sessions I had. Recently, I was not having a good day when the photo shoot was supposed to happen. I'm like, "I can't beleive I have a photo shoot today." And I'm like, "I'm like having impostor syndrome, all the stuff." And yet, when you have a photographer like you, who would like first of all loves what they're doing and is does it really well. But when they capture that photo of you in, in this portrait, you're like, "Oh, that's I may feel like this, but that's who I am."Right.Lesley Logan 36:38  Ah, it's amazing.John Mollura 36:40  Yeah. Yeah. And I, you know, so one of the things I love to do is remove as much stress from the whole situation as possible that goes from like, you know, initial consults, but then like going to their homes and like helping them pick their wardrobe. (Lesley: Whoa.) Yeah, yeah. Right.Lesley Logan 36:56  You are in it. That's amazing.John Mollura 36:58  Oh yeah. Yeah. You know and then the day of the shoot, you know, there's always professional hair and makeup offered for folks so they can just show up and not worry if it's raining outside and what happens to my hair. No, you can just sit in Kelly's chair and she'll take care of it. I'll get you a glass of wine or tea or whatever you want. Do the photo shoot where I you know, I guide people through all the poses because it was at Talladega Nights, you know that ... What do I do with my hands? (John and Lesley laughs) So I tell people what to do with their hands, you know. But then, even afterwards, I help them pick the photos, and then they're all professionally retouched. So, you know, it's showing people in like, very treated, I don't make people look fake, and like, you know, like some plastic Barbie. But you know, let's face it, like the the high end digital cameras that we use, like they capture a lot of details that like, don't need to be captured that you don't really see. But then even helping them with like, because like you said with photos, when you see a photo that makes you feel really good, but I'm a firm believer in like the power of like a physical product. So every photo people select, they always get a print of it. Five by seven, it's matted, I mail it to them with a thank you note. But then I offer like heirloom quality like wall art. Like I'll come to their house I install it. So it's like start to finish like ...Lesley Logan 38:20  Oh my God.John Mollura 38:21  How much stress can I remove from you and have this actually be what it is, which is showing, showcasing the world the true you and more importantly, because some people are like, "What am I going to do with like 15 photos of myself, John?" I'm like, "Put them in the nice little gift box I give you and then when you're having you know and keep like one of them out. Have some boss ass photo of you hanging up and like your bedroom, your closet. If you don't want the world to see it, in when you're having those bad days, like you were having like how awesome that'd be to look over and see that picture and be like, 'Okay, I got this for five minutes. I can. (Lesley: Okay) I can do this.'"Lesley Logan 38:56  You've inspired me to print some of our photos. (John: Yeah, you should.) That I only been putting on Instagram. You know, um, well, now I just have there's so many reasons why my family is listen to this, they're be like, "Well, we have to get Delaware anyways." But now I feel like we have to get to Delaware so that we can do a photo shoot with you.John Mollura 39:14  Yeah, love the photograph. You and Brad.Lesley Logan 39:16  Oh, yeah, yeah, no, it's gonna happen. There's we literally go to Delaware. So it's gonna happen. You know ...John Mollura 39:25  You the president and Dave Grohl my ... (Lesley: Right) Yeah, well, they all frequent Delaware.Lesley Logan 39:30  And also, for those of you who are on the East Coast, I from what I understand, like Delaware, it's really easy to get to, your states are all very small you're because you're not in California. You can get there in a couple hours. (John: Yeah) Go do it. Um, okay, so we can talk about photography even more, and maybe it'll come up but be it till you see it action items. Bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps that people can do to be it till they see it. What do you have?John Mollura 39:54  My friend Paige who's like, just one of these people that you talk to you and you're like, "Well, you're you're really smart. You just understand people." She said something to me years ago, and I don't even know if she meant it to have this much impact. So when I was talking about doing photography and like, "I don't know, Paige, I'd love to do it full time. But you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." And she just matter of factly said, "Well, John, somebody has to do that." And like, that stuck with me, like, so anytime, I think it's impossible for me to make this sale or make this much a year or for my band to make a CD. It's like, "No, somebody has to. So why not you?" (Lesley: Yeah.) And you know, if you want to get even, you know, more positive, don't say someone has to because I can have a negative connotation, but someone gets to, somebody gets to make a living from photography, or make a living from Pilates, what they love. Why can't that be me? (Lesley: Yeah) So that's what I want people to really take away. You know what, why not me? (Lesley: Yeah) And then when the negative voices start coming up, you tell him to shut up and just remember, why not me? Some somebody has to.Lesley Logan 41:10  Somebody has to. Why not you? John, ah, I am obsessed with you. You're amazing. You've got so much to offer this planet. We can keep we'll have to have you back. I'm sure Brad is like, you could have gone more into the Star Wars or something else but ...John Mollura 41:25  So tell Brad to call me we'll nerd out.Lesley Logan 41:27  I know.John Mollura 41:27  Do some legos or something.Lesley Logan 41:29  I know the day of our shoot, we'll just have to block out extra hours for time for that. Anyways. Okay, everyone, how are you going to use these action items in your life? Right. Tell us by tagging John Mollura and tagging @be_it_pod and letting us know. Also, do us a favor, send this to a friend. And you know what if this had an impact on you DM John or myself or text a friend what it was because not only does it change people's lives, like it really does if you they could there could be a sentence that like Paige said to John that changes and sticks with someone. But also it's literally how we change the world. Like we get rid of impostor syndrome and these feelings of of being alone. One person at a time. So thank you everyone so much. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.John Mollura 42:14  Thank you, Lesley.Lesley Logan 42:15  Yeah. Okay.'Be It Till You See It' is a production of 'As The Crows Fly Media'.Brad Crowell 42:17   It's written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli. Lesley Logan 42:17  Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing. Brad Crowell 42:17  Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. Lesley Logan 42:17  And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi. Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can't see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all video each week so you can. Brad Crowell 42:17  And to Angelina Herico for transcribing each of our episodes so you can find them on our website. 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The journey of entrepreneurship is not always a smooth one. In fact, it is often riddled with challenges and setbacks. However, if you are able to find rebirth in the midst of these struggles, then you will be able to push through and reach new heights.  I'm excited to share today's guest, John Mollura, Owner of John Mollura Photography who will be sharing with us all about how to navigate life changes and find your passion along the way!

John Mollura chose to leave a wildly successful 15-year career as a test engineer for NASA and military projects to become a full-time photographer. He is a multi-award-winning portrait photographer specializing in the celebration of personal transformation. In this conversation he reflects on his own journey involving how disappointment from not getting his "ideal internship" and surviving the lost of a best friend helped shape his life and his personal growth to find faith and a new career path. You can follow John on Instagram @mollura_photography or on his website, https://molluraphoto.com/. Enjoy this inspiring chat on how positive change is possible!

After each interview, I will be recapping the "Questions to Ask Yourself" I put in the show notes, (menareforged.com/guestinterviews). Questions have the power to create momentum and change in the hearts and minds of people no matter where you are in life. 1. When in my life have I discredited an opportunity that led to a positive outcome? 2. What personality trait have I used to hurt others yet could use to help and encourage instead? 3. What advice would I give my 20 year old self? 4. How has my view of faith changed in the last 10 years? 5. What painful events change my life for the good? 6. What new thing am I wanting to try yet too afraid to fail at it? 2:50 - Dad being the most noble person he ever met 5:30 - Going to college at Penn State 9:35 - Missing out out on his dream job with Disney 13:05 - Becoming a field engineer for NASA with his mentor, Skip 19:30 - Realizing in his 20s having imposter syndrome 24:10 - Redeeming and reusing his humor for good not destruction or hide his insecurity 25:30 - Positively impacting people through his photography business 28:55 - Advice for his 20 year old self 31:20 - 2 events that led to the biggest turning point in his life 33:50 - View of Christianity and religion for most of his life 37:15 - Becoming a Christian beyond Sundays 40:23 - Message for New Fathers 47:30 - Wife being the catalyst to his career change 50:05 - Love of photography started 51:20 - Being willing to try something new 55:00 - Failing in a creative space is freeing and inspiring others 56:30 - Reminder to his 20-year old self 60:30 - Refigured Project

This episode, I interview John Mollura. We talk about his journey in discovering his identity through dealing with anxiety, imposter syndrome, and rising up in his field as a test engineer with NASA and other military projects. John is a full-time photographer specializing in empowering, creative portraits. John turned his lifelong hobby of photography into a full-time career after 15 years as a test engineer for NASA and military projects. His work has appeared in many places, from National Geographic to Country Music Television. John believes in giving back and has led, and founded, many photo-centric community events and groups. His most recent project is the RE>Figured Project with the mission to turn scars, wounds, and hurts into celebrations of survival through storytelling and creative portraits. John initially only photographed landscapes. He became known for images shown from unusual and captivating points of view. He lives in Delaware with his wife and three children. Visit his webpage: molluraphoto.com/portraits For more content, coaching, and courses, go to menareforged.com

Robby Robinson is a master musician who has been the musical director for Frankie Valli of The Four Seasons since 1978. He's also worked with a Who's Who in the music business including Tom Jones, Liza Minelli, the Beach Boys and the Turtles. He's also composed and conducted for symphony orchestras. And he's got one of the largest collections of Hammond organs! In the second half of the episode we do a Songfest with Robby. A musical extravaganza!KEY TAKEAWAYS: Life is too short not to do what you love to do. Figure out what you really want to do - think outside the box. Then go for it with all the gusto in life.Robert's featured song in this episode is “Another One Like You” from his solo album Summer Of Love (2020) which was recorded remotely during the pandemic. The song is a love song written for Robert's wife, but he chose this song for this episode because, as he says, he doesn't know another one like Robby Robinson! Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/track/460AMXsQFTdRZcuSeWh0J0?si=aWk5o1smRCWs0rXabNobtA&dl_branch=1---------------------------------------Robert's “Follow Your Dream Handbook”, his highly rated combination memoir and how-to, telling his personal story and giving readers step-by-step instructions how-to follow and succeed at their dream, was recently released and immediately became an Amazon #1 Bestseller! Just go to Amazon and enter Follow Your Dream Handbook by Robert Miller in the search bar, or click HERE.In this episode, Robby and Robert discuss:His lifelong dream to be a musicianSurf music, rock ‘n roll and jazz rock fusionHis love of Hammond organsHis favorite organists in rock and jazzWorking with Frankie ValliWriting for and conducting symphony orchestrasRobby's words of wisdom   If you enjoyed the show, please Subscribe, Rate, and Review the podcast. Just click here. Get your Complimentary DREAM ROADMAP with Robert's 5 steps to pursue and succeed at YOUR dream. Just click here: https://www.followyourdreampodcast.com/dreamroadmap Connect with Robby at:  Website: Robbyrobinsonmusic.comFacebook: www.facebook.com/robbyrobinson88Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/robbyrobinsonmusic/ Renowned portrait photographer John Mollura was a recent guest on the podcast, in the episode entitled From NASA To Photographer. Connect with John at molluraphoto.com Connect with the Follow Your Dream Podcast:Website: www.followyourdreampodcast.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/followyourdreampodcast/Facebook: www.facebook.com/FollowYourDreamPodcastEmail Robert: robert@followyourdreampodcast.com Follow Robert's band, Project Grand Slam, and his music:Website: https://www.projectgrandslam.comStore: https://www.thepgsstore.com/  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/PGSjazzFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/projectgrandslam/Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/04BdGdJszDD8WtAFXc9skWApple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/artist/project-grand-slam/274548453Email: pgs@projectgrandslam.com

John Mollura followed his dream. For over a decade he was a mechanical engineer with NASA testing space suits and other equipment. He was highly paid but not satisfied. On the side he developed an interest and expertise in photography. Finally, with the urging of his wife, he made the transition to photography full time with a specialty in portraits. An inspirational story!KEY TAKEAWAYS: You don't have to give up everything in order to follow your dream. You can keep your passion as a side hustle until you're ready to make the transition. And join a Mastermind or Coaching group to give yourself ideas and momentum.Robert's featured song in this episode is “Return Voyage”. Originally on Robert's 1996 album “Prisoners Of Love”, it was later included on “Twenty”, his early greatest hits album released in 2014. Robert chose this song because John Mollura worked for NASA, and “Return Voyage” is a spacey song that dovetails perfectly!Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/track/75UcgS22h9s93fFgpNDWWY?si=jnmd-7OMQpiqge47_ekDbw&dl_branch=---------------------------------------Robert's “Follow Your Dream Handbook”, his highly rated combination memoir and how-to, telling his personal story and giving readers step-by-step instructions how-to follow and succeed at their dream, was recently released and immediately became an Amazon #1 Bestseller! Just go to Amazon and enter Follow Your Dream Handbook by Robert Miller in the search bar, or click HERE. In this episode, John and Robert discuss:His interest in science and mathHis summer job in rock climbingHow his summer job led to a career working for NASAHis side hustle in photographyHis transition to photography on a full time basis   If you enjoyed the show, please Subscribe, Rate, and Review the podcast. Just click here.Get your Complimentary DREAM ROADMAP with Robert's 5 steps to pursue and succeed at YOUR dream. Just click here: https://www.followyourdreampodcast.com/dreamroadmap Connect with John at https://molluraphoto.comhttps://www.instagram.com/john_mollura/https://www.facebook.com/johnmolluraphotographyhttps://www.instagram.com/refigured_projecthttps://www.facebook.com/refiguredproject John has a Special Offer for listeners of this podcast. Just click here: https://molluraphoto.com/followyourdreampodcast  Connect with the Follow Your Dream Podcast:Website: www.followyourdreampodcast.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/followyourdreampodcast/Facebook: www.facebook.com/FollowYourDreamPodcastEmail Robert: robert@followyourdreampodcast.com Follow Robert's band, Project Grand Slam, and his music:Website: https://www.projectgrandslam.comStore: https://www.thepgsstore.com/  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/PGSjazzFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/projectgrandslam/Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/04BdGdJszDD8WtAFXc9skWApple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/artist/project-grand-slam/274548453Email: pgs@projectgrandslam.com

One of the greatest things you can do when criticized is to seek the truth in the statement. John Mollura joins The Bridge Podcast to share the experience and wisdom gained from his transition into a creative lifestyle. If you've ever felt drawn to the arts as a way to express yourself... listen to this episode. Let it be an encouragement as you find God's purpose for your creative endeavors.SHOW NOTES:0:30 - Mark and Andrew consider the prayers during Love Delmarva segment0:50 - Welcome John Mollura who will look at creativity with us3:00 - John's path to a full time creative lifestyle6:00 - What is 'film'? Wait... what is 'paper'!?!8:30 - What would you tell a friend in the same hamster wheel life pattern?10:00 - Air quotes - C R E A T I V E S12:00 - How did John and his family manage him going full time as an artist?14:20 - Setting boundaries and rules for yourself15:30 - Find wise counsel to help you learn to manage your endeavor18:20 - Where do you find creative inspiration?21:15 - You must remain vulnerable and still brave enough to create23:30 - There are people who value and need your creative services26:00 - How do you deal with criticism?31:35 - Some art is not appreciated as soon as it is released32:00 - If not for financial gain, what is the purpose of a creative life?33:00 - 1 Peter 4:10 Use the gifts you have received to serve others34:00 - John's BIG break!36:40 - TakeawaysDiscover John Mollura Photography online at https://molluraphoto.com Feedback, or Show Ideas? Send an email to podcast@887thebridge.comDownload The Bridge Mobile App to get the latest podcast episodes as soon as they are published!Please share The Bridge Podcast with a friend if you enjoyed this episode. SUBSCRIBE to The Bridge Podcast on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play Music, and Spotify! The Bridge Podcast is still growing, and your positive review and 5-star rating would help. Podcast Sponsored by Boardwalk Plaza Hotel and Victoria's Restaurant