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Ever left a meeting feeling more drained than before it started? That’s the dreaded meeting hangover. Brian Milner and Julie Chickering dive into why bad meetings have lasting effects—and what facilitators AND participants can do to make them better. Overview Bad meetings don’t just waste time, they drain energy, morale, and engagement long after they’re over. In this episode of the Agile Mentors Podcast, Brian and Julie Chickering unpack the concept of "meeting hangovers"—the lingering negative effects of ineffective meetings. They explore why bad meetings happen, the shared responsibility of facilitators and participants, and practical strategies for turning the tide. From fostering accountability to knowing when to walk it off, this conversation will help you rethink how meetings impact team dynamics and productivity. References and resources mentioned in the show: Julie Chickering #137 Stop Wasting Time with Guests Kate Megaw HBR The Hidden Toll of Meeting Hangovers by Brent N. Reed, et al. When: The Scientific Secrets of Perfect Timing by Daniel H. Pink Remotely Productive by Alex Pukinskis Working on a Scrum Team Class Subscribe to the Agile Mentors Podcast Want to get involved? This show is designed for you, and we’d love your input. Enjoyed what you heard today? Please leave a rating and a review. It really helps, and we read every single one. Got an Agile subject you’d like us to discuss or a question that needs an answer? Share your thoughts with us at podcast@mountaingoatsoftware.com This episode’s presenters are: Brian Milner is SVP of coaching and training at Mountain Goat Software. He's passionate about making a difference in people's day-to-day work, influenced by his own experience of transitioning to Scrum and seeing improvements in work/life balance, honesty, respect, and the quality of work. Julie Chickering is the brains and brawn behind JC Agile Consulting, believes that Lean and Agile practices are packed with potential — to enable positive culture change, business agility, and breakthrough results. Julie is a past president and board member of the Agile Project Management Network (APLN), a Certified Scrum Trainer (CST), PMI Agile Certified Practitioner (PMI-ACP), as well as a traditional Project Management Professional (PMP). Auto-generated Transcript: Brian Milner (00:00) Welcome back Agile Mentors. We're here for another episode of Agile Mentors podcast. I'm with you as always Brian Milner and haven't got to say this for a while. So I'm happy to say again, welcome back to the show, the fabulous Julie Chickering. Welcome back, Julie. Julie (00:15) Thanks, Brian. Glad to be here. Brian Milner (00:17) Yeah, very excited to have Julie back. Julie is a friend of the show. We've had her on multiple times and it's been too long. We just need to have you on more often again. So thank you for making the time and coming back. We wanted to have Julie on sort of as a little bit of a continuation from our last episode that we had with Kate McGaw. You we talked a little bit about facilitation there and there was a lot that we talked about initially to set that up to talk about Julie (00:30) Sure. Brian Milner (00:44) just the fact that there's an epidemic of bad meetings. There's kind of a harmful thing happening where it's extremely prevalent that meetings are going poorly. There's not a lot of attention that's given to this. There's not a lot of focus in a lot of organizations because it's such a prevalent issue. of our meetings being so bad. And Julie pointed out to me this Harvard Business Review article that sort of became a touchstone, I think, for what we wanted to talk about. It's called the hidden toll of meeting hangovers. And we'll link to this in the show notes. But the idea behind the article was just to say, they quoted a stat early on saying that they did a study and found that more than a quarter, 28 % of meetings left employees with lingering negative effects, such as impaired engagement and productivity. And so that's what they were referring to this sort of this meeting hangover, that bad meetings take a toll beyond just the lost time in the meeting. And that's kind of what we were talking about more with Kate is, you know, yeah, we want to make our meetings better, but there is sort of this ongoing lingering that, you know, from my reading of this and what I've experienced, kind of compounds, you know? One bad meeting then can lead to another bad meeting and another one and that feeling of anxiety and disconnectedness and like I said here, impaired engagement and productivity, those kind of grow and get worse and worse the longer that you have these bad meetings. So Julie, I'll just start with you and say, you know, when you read this article, what was it? What was it that really stood out to you, that jumped out to you, that made you think this was an important kind of area of focus? Julie (02:27) First of all, I love the title because I can relate to it. So when you're having a hangover, you just feel terrible, right? And this person that they talk about first, Jacob, about like, he was so frustrated when he left the meeting. So the introductory story when he was so frustrated when he left the meeting, he canceled his one-on-one right after because he knew he couldn't concentrate. And then he was just like so upset. for the rest of the day and talking about how he just didn't even want to work on the project anymore. So just this, I just got this physical sensation reading this around how it feels when you're in a meeting that's ineffective. And we've all been there and I could just like feel it in my body when I read this story. And I also feel like once you know what I, what an ineffective meeting feels like, the ineffective one is more noticeable and draining. yeah, so and then this this lingering effect of morale and just wasted, just wasted opportunity. And it feels like Brian Milner (03:32) Yeah. Yeah. Julie (03:47) in the corporate world, this is the norm. That we just have meeting after meeting after meeting that's just sucking the life force out of everyone. And then we wonder why nothing gets done. Brian Milner (04:00) Yeah, I mean, this article is packed with statistics and it's tempting for me to just kind of read them all off to you. I'm not going to do that. But there's a couple of things that kind of jump out to me. they talk about how around half of people have this feeling of that as a result of the hangover from the meeting, that they have negative or harmful impacts on their interactions with coworkers. They feel more disconnected from their team. and they want to spend more time alone based on the fact that, I went through this really kind of, there's no other way to say it, traumatic experience of having this really harmful, bad meeting. they connect the dots by saying, people will leave these meetings and oftentimes they will then go commiserate with coworkers and say, share their frustrations, which is helpful, it's good. But it also, you know, they noted here, this can kind of spread some feeling of negativity or hopelessness, you know, that it's always going to be this way. You know, yeah, I had a meeting like that as well. Boy, I guess this place is doomed. It's always going to feel like this. And so they have this kind of ongoing, as I said, compounding almost nature of it that one bad thing leads to another leads to another leads to another. And pretty soon you've got this really harmful, negative work environment and it's not necessarily something that's just happened. It's just the repetition of going through those things lead to this ongoing negative psychological impact in the organization. Julie (05:28) Yeah, I'm just smiling because I can just think of some meetings that I used to have a leader that would always show up late. Always show up late. We'd be halfway through the topic and then he would show up and we'd have to stop what we were doing and go circle back and just speed and you could just feel. the whole mood of the meeting change. We were actually making progress and we have to stop and we have to go all the way over. And this is constant. So what we would do afterwards is then have meetings after the meetings to complain about the leader doing that. The more adult thing would have been of course to say to the leader, when you do this, Brian Milner (06:15) Yeah. Julie (06:22) This is the outcome. Brian Milner (06:25) Yeah. So, so that's kind of, you know, what we want to talk about a little bit in here as well is, in the last episode, we, focused a lot on facilitation and the idea that, Hey, there's a lot of responsibility to the meeting organizer, whoever's facilitating this to not have it be this negative kind of environment. And I don't disagree with any of that, that we talked about in the last episode. I think there is a lot of that, that is true, but I think it's, it's. important for participants to not look at that as, it's all the facilitator then, right? I'm just a participant, I'm showing up and it's your job to get all this stuff out of me. And if the meeting goes poorly, that's entirely your fault. And I think it's important for us to recognize, no, if I'm a participant, if I accept that meeting invite and I'm here, I have a role to play. I have a contribution to be made and I can have, you Julie (07:14) Right. Brian Milner (07:19) as kind of Pollyanna-ish as it sounds, I can have a negative impact or a positive impact on this meeting. And I think that's an important kind of responsibility to take a hold of. Julie (07:25) you Yeah, I agree. And I think about that in a couple of ways. So actually, in both Scrum Master and Product Owner class, I remind them at the end of every meeting to ask two questions. The next time we have this kind of meeting, what would you want to do differently? But you gotta ask the question. And if you ask the question and nobody says anything, then they can't feel victim to a poorly run meeting. But you gotta be able to listen. You gotta be able to listen to it. Doesn't mean you have to say yes in the moment. It could be that you would follow up after, but just ask the question. What would you wanna do differently the next time we have this type of meeting And then ask them, what did they like? Brian Milner (07:48) Yeah. That's good. Julie (08:11) I used to do it the other way around. I don't know if I told you this story before or not, but do you remember Daniel Pink did the he was our keynote speaker at the Scrum Gathering, our conference a few years ago when he talked about. OK, when he talked about timing. OK, so something he said is like, yes, he said, as people, if there's two, if there's good news and bad news to always start with the bad news first. And end with the good news, because as people, we remember the last thing we talked about it. Brian Milner (08:20) Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Julie (08:40) So if I say to you, okay, the next time we have this type of meeting, what would you want to do differently? And nobody says anything. Okay. What did you like? And then they leave going, we actually got something done. Unless of course we didn't get anything done. Brian Milner (08:57) That's awesome. Yeah. I mean, I think about like how in classes, a lot of times when we talk about forecasting and estimation, you know, I make a little joke. It's not really a joke. It's the truth. But when I present, I've learned over the years when I present information to stakeholders about timings, I, know, if, if I do calculations and it says it's going to take between five and six sprints to do something, I've learned to say the maximum amount of time it will take is six sprints. there's a chance it could come in as soon as it's five sprints and yeah. Yeah. I mean, I learned to do that because what I say in classes, I've learned a lot of people stop listening after the first one. And I think actually though, I may be wrong. It may be more what you're saying that, you know, we, we remember the last thing that we hear. but it may be a combination, right? Cause if, if I hear the low number first and I I'm happy with that, I stopped listening and I don't want to hear the bad news. Julie (09:27) Brilliant! Brian Milner (09:50) So if I say the bad news first, it could take as long as this, but there's a chance it could come in earlier, then I'm leaving them with the good news that it could be this, you know, as soon as this, but they've set their expectation that, you know, it could take as long as, you know, the bad news that I gave them initially. So I don't know, maybe there's a combination of that there as well. But yeah, I agree with what Daniel Pink says about that. And timings do make a big, difference for sure. and how we present things. Julie (10:18) Okay, so a key though in that is that you can only ask those questions if you're staying within the time box and you've allocated time to actually ask the question. And like some of these things that came up as the root causes of like poor time management, like running over or stuff like that. If you're running over, nobody's going to really want to take the opportunity to give you feedback. So what do you think about, so what you talked with Kate a lot about when we talking about here is the role of the facilitator. And I think we should talk about what people can do if they are feeling like they're the victim of the lack of facilitation or poor facilitation. So what do think about that? Brian Milner (10:52) Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think we have several roles to play, right? I I agree. If I'm not the facilitator, then it's important for me to come into that meeting, well, knowing what the expectation is. know, like if I'm coming into a meeting as a participant, I don't think it's responsible. to show up to the meeting. And I've shown up to meetings like this, showing up with the attitude that, hey, it's not my meeting. It's the other person's meeting. You got me. I'm here. But now it's on you to get out of me, whatever it is that you're hoping to get. And maybe I put in very little prep work for it. So there is some kind of interplay here between the facilitator and the participant. Because you could say, well, that's the facilitator's responsibility to help you understand. Yes, it is. That's, this is what I'm trying to say is I, I think it's a mistake to shirk that responsibility entirely and say, I'm not the facilitator. Don't look at me. Right. If, if they didn't ask me to prepare or, or, you know, here's what I need you to, to, come prepared to talk about. Well, then I've got a bad facilitator and you know, we're just, we're hopelessly going to be in a bad meeting. No, when I get the invite, you know, Kate said last week, you know, Julie (12:17) Mm-hmm. Brian Milner (12:22) You can decline invitations to meetings. You don't have to accept every meeting invite that you get. But if you do accept it, I think that there's an accepting of responsibility there to say, all right, I'm going to be a participant in this meeting. What do you need from me? And in advance, making sure you talk to that meeting organizer and saying, hey, I agree. This is probably a good thing for us to meet about, but I want to prepare. I want to know that I can come to this meeting armed with information that's going to be helpful to others and I can play my part. So meeting facilitator, meeting organizer, what did you have in mind for me in this meeting? What is it that you were hoping to get from me in this meeting so that I can show up prepared? And that small little question, I think, does several things, right? mean, one, it says, to the facilitator, do you know what it is that you want from this person? If they come back at you and say, I don't know, I just thought maybe you needed, well, if they say, you know, we just thought maybe you needed to be in the loop or whatever, well, I might come back at that and say, that sounds like an email, you know? Julie (13:31) Yeah, I'm also thinking though there's the flip side of then people, there's two different things. I want to go back to how I can also help. what also struck me when you were saying that is that I think there's also this cultural part of am I being excluded? That, you know, that sense of They're not inviting me. A lot of times people don't need to be there. What you're afraid if you're not there, does that mean something? Does it mean you're being cut out? You're not important? There's that whole ego part. Yeah. Brian Milner (14:04) Yeah. Right. Sure, mean, especially if there's a decision to be made, right? You could feel like, they don't want my voice in that decision. And I think that that's a legitimate concern. If I'm responsible for an area and decisions are gonna be made in the meeting and I'm left out of that invitation, I might have a concern and say, if there's gonna be a decision made around this, I probably should have an input. Is there reason why you didn't want my input in this meeting? And, you know, even asking that question can sometimes just trigger, well, this is lower level things. This is not really at the level that you weigh in on. Usually we didn't want to waste your time, you know, something like that. You might find out it has nothing to do with the fact that they didn't want your opinion. It was more of, we were trying to be conscious of your time and, and, and didn't think that this was the kind of thing that you would need to weigh in on. So you might have a micromanaging kind of problem there that you need to address as well. Julie (15:11) Yeah, this is all people's stuff. It's what makes it fun. Brian Milner (15:14) Yeah. I want to, want to just, I'm sorry. I don't want to mean to interrupt you, but there's one thing I've been thinking about this whole time as well, because we've been talking about bad meetings and bad meeting hangovers. And I think initially the first thought that kind of comes to our heads about that is facilitation and maybe the meeting not being organized well. But I think there's another thing that makes a meeting a bad meeting that it's important to call out as well. Julie (15:37) Mm. Brian Milner (15:40) I'll just give you an example. I remember there was a job I took the very first day of the job. It my first day on the job. We had a meeting with some of the other leaders in that organization, and I got called into this, and they introduced me. Hey, this is Brian. I remember them saying, he's the new whatever, whatever the last guy was that had my position. OK, he's the new whoever. And we got into discussion about upcoming things, the status of different projects and other things. in the middle of that meeting, there became a shouting match and there were F bombs dropped left and right. And I remember walking out of that meeting going, what the hell did I get myself into? You know? so what I'm trying to call out there is there are sometimes bad meetings. It's not about the facilitation or the order or the agenda or anything else. There's sometimes bad meetings because we don't bring kind of the Julie (16:15) Mm-hmm. Brian Milner (16:29) best parts of ourselves to the meeting. We bring the worst parts of ourselves to the meeting. And sometimes we don't censor that and we don't let those, we don't kind of, I don't know how to put it. We're not engaging civilly, right? And I know that sometimes when I've been in those and I've had multiple of those kinds of meetings like that, that I would say, yeah, that was a bad meeting. But it wasn't because the facilitator did a bad job. It's because the participants were kind of letting their inner demons manifest through themselves in the meeting and they weren't really treating everyone with respect. They were very disrespectful to their coworkers. And I think that that's maybe more common than we care to admit. Julie (17:05) Mm-hmm. Yes, when you're sharing that to me, that goes back to meeting working agreements. like, what can I, so if we go back to, if you're in a situation where you're in a bad meeting, even if the facilitator is doing the best that they can, there's things that you can do. So to me, if we've had, and I know you were brand new, but you said that that was not. uncommon. If we had meeting working agreements and you let out an F-bomb and that was against the meeting agreements that anyone else in the room can say, you just broke one of our, you can, you, anyone can call people on that behavior. shouldn't have to be just the facilitator because the facilitator might be like just trying to run through, okay, now what am I going to do? It might be needing to just take a little breath to figure out what do, right? But I can imagine if that was the norm in that environment that people got that disrespectful in the meeting that when people left, there was a hangover effect. Like you kind of was like, what am I doing? Brian Milner (18:07) Right. Julie (18:27) What's happening here? What's going on? What did I sign up for on day one? This is day one. What's day two going to be like? Are we holding back? Right. Here's the new guy. Let's be on our good behavior. We'll only drop three F bombs instead of four. So, at, I was very fortunate that at, Brian Milner (18:27) Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah, they were on their best behavior, right? Guess I was new. Yeah. Julie (18:50) rally software, just, this was norm. It was normal to learn, everyone learned how to facilitate and be good participants and all that, except it was really quite funny at our coaches events because we had to have the working agreement that the facilitator actually got to choose how to facilitate, but we didn't get to facilitate the facilitators. But anyway, I have started recommending Alex Bukinski's book, remotely productive. took a lot of what Jean taught us and help is helping people apply that remotely. So like chapter four is how to help in a bad meeting. So if you're a participant and it's going bad, how can you help get back on track in a respectful way? So not being, not being a jerk about it. But even, so he just even gives examples of things like. when somebody makes a recommendation. like noticing when people agree on an action and you type it into chat. It doesn't have to be the facilitator who types it into chat. Like as a participant, you can go, okay, the action was or a decision was made noting decisions, decision, write the decision down, but helping the facilitator be like, we would talk about that. Actually, I forgot until I just started speaking out about it that often, especially in Brian Milner (19:54) Yeah. Yeah. Julie (20:11) big significant meetings, would have a scribe, a facilitator and a scribe. So this is what he's talking about actually is somebody scribing. Brian Milner (20:22) Yeah, yeah, that's a very important component because if we just shout things out and no one's really capturing what the next steps are, those are going to get lost. And we could have to repeat this meeting because we just didn't really follow up in any way. We didn't take any action. So I agree. That's an important component of it is at least designating that it doesn't have to be one person, but just designating that, hey, here's the expectation. Here's what we're going to do. Yeah. Julie (20:49) Um, yeah. So there's a bunch of really good tips in here and like the Kindle version's 1499 or something. So I've been telling people like, if you can have just one meeting that sucks less, you're going to get your 1499 back. So if you could have one less meeting hangover, you're to get your 1499 back, think for sure. Brian Milner (20:49) That's a great tip. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I should clarify with my story earlier that I'm a big boy. It wasn't the language that bothered me. It was directed at someone else, like kind of F-U, that kind of thing. That's a very different dynamic than just saying, those effing suppliers, I sure hate that. That's fine. Or maybe more fine for others than some, but. Julie (21:21) Mm-hmm. Right. Brian Milner (21:38) That didn't bother me, was more just that the attitude behind it was a negative one towards someone else. But yeah, that's a great tip there, just understanding that when I'm a participant there, when I show up, that I have a role to play in it as well. There's things I can do and if there's not notes being taken, then I can maybe step up and do that. Hey, someone said we're going to need to do this? All right, let me put that in the chat. Remember, this is what needs to happen. Julie (22:05) Yeah, and he gives nice, some like a template here on when we're making decisions like data, diagnosis, direction, do next. So he's given a nice, he gives a lot of really great tools. I'm really, and like liking it quite a bit. back to your, your example that is, in the, the behavior part. was a lack of respect versus really the content. Yeah, I get that. The conflict that's going on. Brian Milner (22:42) Yeah. The tip from the book you just mentioned kind of aligns also to something that's in this article, the Harvard Business Review article. One of the things it says is they have some tips in this as well. And one of the things they say is demand accountability every time. And I think that's a good kind of takeaway as well is they're specifically talking about these action items, things that we would do as a result. As a participant, think it's important to, I like that language, demand accountability. If we have this meeting, all right, what is it that you're hoping to get out of this? I'm showing up, I'm here, what do you need from me? What are we gonna do as a result of this? Any participant can ask that. Any participant can say, so that we don't just waste this time, what are we going to do next? Julie (23:11) Mm-hmm. Brian Milner (23:29) I think you demand accountability when you do that. Julie (23:33) Yeah, and I would say too, the first thing we should ask is what's the purpose of this meeting? And so if you go up to turn agendas into action plans, Jean taught us is you have a purpose statement. And then actually she taught us that what are the questions we need to answer in order to meet the purpose? Those are our agenda topics. When we've answered those questions, we're complete with this meeting. And then like where the Brian Milner (23:39) Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Julie (24:01) come back down here to make every minute count. Don't run over. Alex also gives some nice gentle waves of doing like we would say time check. We have 10 more minutes left. You could just put that in chat time check. We have 10 more minutes left. You don't have to be the facilitator to be like time check. So I do like that. He's helping people think about what they can do versus just being victim to Brian Milner (24:05) Yeah. Julie (24:29) the lack of facilitation. Brian Milner (24:31) Yeah. And as a participant, I can, I can check in at the start of the meeting and say, all right, just, want to, I want to, have a time box check here. Our meeting is scheduled from this time to this time. That's our time box, right? We can't, is there, or I have something right after this. just so you know, here's my time box. can't go further than this. and you know, I think as a participant, it's. Julie (24:46) Hmm. Brian Milner (24:56) you can have those same effects just like you said, hey, time box check, it's this, we got this much time left. And as a facilitator, I know I've reached the end of our time boxes sometimes when we haven't really gotten as far as I had hoped, but I've been okay saying this was a good start. This was a good start to what it is we need to decide. Obviously this is gonna take more time. We are at our time box, so we're gonna have to wrap this meeting up, but we'll schedule follow-ups and we'll take it from here. If I'm entering a meeting where I need a decision by the end of that time box, then by all means, make sure people are aware of that from the start. If I'm a participant or if I'm the facilitator, we're here together, but we all need to understand that we need to leave this with a decision on this. Julie (25:37) Yeah. So the other thing, Kia, I believe, around the decision is, and also be clear about how we're going to make the decision. So is this going to be a collaborative decision? We're all going to vote? Or are we getting, everyone going to give their opinion? Somebody else is going to make the decision? And then we'll check, like, how are we, how is the decision going to be made? So that's not a surprise as well. Brian Milner (25:50) Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, extremely important. I know when I talk about in our product owner classes about doing things like buy a feature as a way to prioritize, one of the things I always try to say to the stakeholders is, hey, we're going to play by a feature, but this is no promise that this is going to be what the final prioritization is. You're helping me to prioritize, but I want to set the expectation. I have to take into account your opinions and other people's opinions and market factors and lots of other things. So make sure we're on the same page. We need to understand this is a component of the decision. I will make the final decision outside of this meeting, but I really appreciate the input and I need your input to help me make the decision. Julie (26:32) Right. Yeah, love that example. So moving down when they say press paw, how to recover how to press. Brian Milner (26:55) Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you find yourself having a hangover from one of these bad meetings, yeah. Julie (27:01) Well, even if it's a great meeting, I am a fan of Adam Grant and I can't like pull up the where he said it. And he said it someplace that the studies show that people actually need like 10 minutes between topics. So if you're going to finish a meeting, you should have at least 10 minutes before the next meeting to be able to. Brian Milner (27:19) Yeah. Julie (27:27) focus and reframe. So I also feel like sometimes these meetings are bad because people are rushing from meeting to meeting. They don't have time to take a bio break or get a bite to eat. So now they're hungry and all that kind of stuff. But we do this to people on a regular basis. Brian Milner (27:46) Yeah, yeah. But, and I agree with that. if it's a good meeting or a bad meeting, I'll find myself, because I work from home exclusively. Well, I shouldn't say exclusively. Sometimes I'll go and work on site with different companies. But when I'm working from home, I'll leave the meeting of something I've just talked about and I'll have to go get more tea or something. And there's a little decompression of, wow, let me kind of throw that off, right? Let me take a deep breath. And now I can reset and I'm ready for whatever the next thing is. But I find I do that kind of naturally and I can't imagine not doing it. I can't imagine kind of going one thing to the other all the time and never having that break. That would kill me. Yeah. Julie (28:31) It happens all the time. It happens all the time. back to meeting working agreements. That's another one that I suggest is people don't start like at the top or the bottom of the hour. Like they offset it a bit to build in breaks. But when you're setting that time box, you got to set, you got to leave space in your agenda time. You have to leave space in your time, your meeting time to close your meeting properly. Brian Milner (28:59) Yeah. Yeah. Julie (29:01) We don't think about how much time that takes either. So it all adds up for sure. Brian Milner (29:09) I like the idea too that they have in here of walking it off. I know just in my work history, kind of like the example I gave you, there have been times when I've been through meetings where I feel like, yeah, I just got to get this off of me. And I have taken... remember, know, in certain circumstances, I'm not a smoker at all, but I, I had, I've always had developers that smoke in some way, shape or form. I, I wouldn't be uncommon for me to go and just stand outside with them while they smoke. or I'll walk down to the corner and get a drink or something and come back. there's something about taking that walk, getting outside the office. or if I'm here working at home, you know, maybe I'll even just go take the dog for a quick walk around the block. And by the time I come back, that's such a good way to. just kind of let whatever that is go away and reset. Now I'm ready to do what I need to do next, but it all goes to know, eliminating that hangover effect that I might have that came from a bad meeting. Julie (30:12) Yeah, so another facilitation tip around that, especially if you've just done a big meeting, if you can, walk it off with someone else. But do it in a debrief way, like what did you learn? And so we would talk about walking the walls. If we're physically together, we have stuff all over, like grab a friend. Brian Milner (30:21) Mmm. Yeah. Julie (30:34) or grab something you don't usually talk to and then walk the walls, so to speak. So at the end of class when I do have enough time, I like them in their breakout rooms to just debrief each other. Like what are a few things you want to try and remember? Because we all remember different things. So there's different ways you can do it. The way they talk about walking it off is it Brian Milner (30:38) Yeah. Julie (31:01) to avoid the hangover, but hopefully we're gonna switch the culture and people are gonna have good meetings and they're gonna wanna talk about positive stuff at the end. I mean, there's both ways of thinking about that physically, I think. Brian Milner (31:13) Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Well, I hope people have gotten a lot of this. You know, we kind of debated, we do this? Should we talk about this? It's so close to kind of the last topic, but I do kind of see it as a part one and part two. You know, there is a part one of that that is, bad meetings sometimes are very much a cause and effect of not facilitating well. But I would hate for people to entirely think, well, it's just the facilitator. there are only one person in the room. And if all the other people think that's not really my responsibility and I don't really have a part to play in this, then the facilitator can only do so much. Julie (31:45) Yeah. Yeah, and depending on what type of meeting it is, like really big, significant, like quarterly planning meetings, then the facilitator needs to do more work, in my opinion, to set everybody up for success. So depending on the size, the length, the... Some meetings need more structure than others, but I agree that as participants, you gotta have accountability to and how it's going and do I need to be here? What's the purpose? If the purpose isn't introduced, then you would ask kindly, what's the purpose of the meeting? What are we trying to accomplish here? I'm just wondering, I'm just checking in. just, not like, the hell am doing here? Brian Milner (32:38) Right, right. Julie (32:39) was to make sure that I'm, you know, whatever. But I do like what Kate said. don't know. You should be able to ask the questions. You should be able to decline all of that. So here's what I'm thinking now, Brian. Another thing people could do, though, is if they start to pay attention to the cost. Brian Milner (32:44) Yeah. Julie (33:05) of being in meetings just through their own health and well-being, then yes, they can be proactive. They can learn a few tips from Alex, but then maybe they, even if they're not the Scrum Master or someone who would normally be assigned to becoming a facilitator, maybe they can get some of the facilitator training because... The training that Kate was talking about really is applicable to any kind of role. It doesn't have to be the scrum master or product owner or team lead or manager. It's really applicable to all people. And then the other thing too, if it's something that say you're in the developer level role, even if you're a business analyst, quality, whatever, quality engineer, whatever, and you wanna become a facilitator. get the training and see if you like it. Then you can kind of be stealth-like in there with, and I feel like that's some of the things Alex is trying to teach people as well. If you're going to be the facilitator or the participant, that there's ways that you can make a difference in a positive way. Brian Milner (33:59) Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely agree. agree. Well, this has been a great conversation. We got to have you on more often. So I apologize it's been so long, but I really appreciate you taking the time and bringing this topic up. And it's a great, great focus for us, I think. thanks for bringing it, Julie. Julie (34:21) Beautiful. Well, I don't have a meeting hangover, do you? Brian Milner (34:36) I do not. I feel great. I don't need to walk anything off right now. Awesome. There we go. I'm right there with you. All right. Thanks, Julie. Julie (34:39) Me either. I'll just go back to drinking tea. Okay. right. Thank you. Yep.

Hip-Hop & Trap Vibes 2025 (Part 1) – Lil Baby, Future, GloRilla & More Get ready for a fresh dose of bangers from some of the hottest names in hip-hop and trap. Turn it up, enjoy, and don't forget to subscribe! Tracklist: 1. Drip Too Hard – Lil Baby & Gunna 2. Timeless – The Weeknd & Playboi Carti 3. Change Me – BigXThaPlug 4. Him All Along – Gunna 5. Lil Demon – Future 6. Let It All Work Out – Lil Wayne 7. Wanna Be – GloRilla & Megan Thee Stallion 8. I Luv Her – GloRilla & T-Pain 9. My Dawg – Lil Baby 10. Pop Out – Big Boogie 11. DO YO SHIT – Moneybagg Yo 12. F U 2x – Lil Baby 13. luther – Kendrick Lamar & SZA 14. Rock – Stepz 15. Help Me – Real Boston Richey 16. Hit a lic – Queen Key 17. Took Her To The O – King Von 18. Verified – T.E. 19. Tweaker – G3 GELO 20. Whatchu Kno About Me – GloRilla ft. Sexyy Red 21. Grinding All My Life – Nipsey Hussle 22. Down For My N's – C-Murder ft. Snoop Dogg & Magic Download Link: http://supremacysounds.com Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/deejaysimplesimon/ #HipHop #Trap #LilBaby #Future #GloRilla #2025Mix

Covino & Rich discuss Aaron Rodgers/Pam Oliver postgame! Could it be a goodbye? There were some F-U's on Sunday & Bryce Young's literal turnaround! Rich has Wild Card Weekend blind Odds quiz for the crew. 'SHAQ DIESEL TRIVIA' brings the laughter when a caller goes off the rails. Plus, 2 standout NBA teams & 1 NFL coach staying in New York!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

C&R talk patience (Mayo in NE) & golden NFL opportunities! Ben Johnson & Mike McCarthy are discussed. 'THINGS THAT MAKE YOU Go HMM' sees incentives & a Lions victory over the Vikings not as lopsided as it seemed. Aaron Rodgers/Pam Oliver & some F-U's! Rich has Wild Card Weekend blind Odds quiz for the crew. 'SHAQ DIESEL TRIVIA' goes off the rails! Plus, 2 standout NBA teams & 1 NFL coach staying in New York,See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Give Steve Kerr the business tonight. He sucks and is unlikeable, also not a good coach. I hope he goes off tonight and has his F U game for Steve Kerr tonight. Keefe admits that Tatum should maybe not have played so much in the Olympics, but he has his feet on both sides. Did Tatum fit the roster? Will Tatum talk after the game? Jones wishes he stood up for himself more. He also wants the taunting and the cursing. Scal and Big Perk have beef?

Welcome everyone and thanks for listening! On today's EMERGENCY episode we talk about Gates on trial for jaxxx injuries, Canada's Supreme Leader possibly stepping down & him signing our bodily autonomy over to the W.E.F/U.N Check out DailyPlanet.Club & become a member! Contact me at FranksCastles21@proton.me if you'd like to set up an interview! Check out the NEW Tic Tok channel & give me a follow! Like/follow Facebook page called "Loyal To The Foil" Link: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61558045267571&mibextid=ZbWKwL Contact Jackie for your spiritual needs at: jackiereidspiritguide.com Instagram: @jackiereid_spiritualguide Please RATE, share, like, subscribe & leave comments/questions! Thanks everyone ❤️

This week we're diving into Planet Terror (2007). We dissect the intensity of its gore, look back on its star-studded cast, and analyze its nostalgic grindhouse aesthetic. In this episode's b-side, we explore the wildest limb weaponizations, brainstorm a feature film, and debate the practicalities of limb attachments. This episode contains spoilers, beginning at 24:36. Mentioned in the Episode Watch the Movie Streaming Prime Video Main Episode 304: Thanksgiving (2023) Discussion | Planet Terror (2007) BRAVE by Rose McGoawn Rose McGowan: Robert Rodriguez Filmed ‘Planet Terror' Abuse Scene After She Told Him About Harvey Weinstein Rape Rose McGowan's role in Grindhouse was revenge on Harvey Weinstein Robert Rodriguez Denies Playing Mind Games With Rose McGowan, Lists the Inaccuracies in Her ‘Planet Terror' Story Robert Rodriguez Says Casting Rose McGowan in ‘Grindhouse' Was an F-U to Harvey Weinstein (EXCLUSIVE) Quentin Tarantino Admits He Knew About Harvey Weinstein Sexual Harassment Claims B-side Prosthetic limbs as weapons Neuralink Support the Show We've launched our Patreon to have a place for listener support to help keep our show going. We are accepting support in the form of small monthly donations from our audience. The proceeds we gain from Patreon are put towards ongoing website fees, funding for new content, and equipment upgrades. In return, our patrons enjoy bonus content, early access, live streams, and exclusive channels in our Discord server. Support the Show on Patreon Join our Discord Server Contact Us You can connect with us by creepin' on us on Facebook, Twitter or Instagram, @HackorSlash. You can also share your opinions with us by leaving us an audio message on our website, hackorslash.live. Special Thanks We want to give a special thanks to these patrons for continuing to make this show possible Music Credits "Hack or Slash" by Daniel Stapleton

F  U Friday! F U to Shannon Sharpe, Amazon Prime, Tua's skull, Jon Bon Jovi, Taylor Swift, Trump, Kamala Harris, BBQ Potato chips, cracked heals, porcupine in my pants, Amy Schumer, Jim and Sam, Dave Growl and our pets being delicious! QUICK CLIPS in this episode from my other podcast "Comedy Quick Hits with Opie" Join the Private Facebook here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/203909694525714 funnypodcast #comedypodcast #hamptons #longisland #beachlife #opieandanthony #comedy #hilarious #lol  #nyclife #nfl #football #See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In today's episode Shell chats with workplace expert, global keynote speaker and author Michelle Gibbings around building your career, touching on:

Send us a textWith Glen subbing for Jay again, the gang prepares for the live TV event of the year, the debate between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump on Sept. 10. What are the best and worst live-TV moments in our lives?ESPN actually did a sports event that Angelo enjoyed -- the Little League World Series. Why does the No. 1 sports network in the world so often intrude on events it carries? Is The Office the best sitcom of all time? Glen make a case for it. Angelo and Rhea disagree.Don't miss these topics and another dramatic recreation of a famous scene by Glen. He even explains what F-U really means.

Will we have enough F-U money in about five years or so to consider a career pivot?Have a money question? Email us hereSubscribe to Jill on Money LIVEYouTube: @jillonmoneyInstagram: @jillonmoneyTwitter: @jillonmoneySee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week Wells is riding solo as Brandi struggles with wifi in Denver, but have no fear, he needs no one else to deliver exactly what you've asked for. We have a solid Bach recap followed by a detailed favorite thing list. He also touches on the Blake Lively drama and the new Mormon Wives show he won't be watching (but thank you so much to every single one of you for sending). He also tackles your F-U-very-muches (which, one of them was actually salty... rude) and provides an update on the live show: SOLD OUT!! Stay tuned for some additional tickets, potentially…  Favorite things mentioned:  The Bachelorette (ABC)  American Murder: Laci Peterson (Netflix)  Bad Monkey (Apple TV)  Dirty Pop: The Boy Band Scam (Netflix)   A Court of Mist and Fury by Sarah J. Maas  One Wish by Ravyn feat. Childish Gambino  Straight and Narrow by Sam Barber   Edge of the Earth by The Beaches    Thanks to our awesome sponsors for supporting this episode!   Fiji Water: Visit your local retailer to pick up some FIJI Water today for your next backyard party, beach or pool day, hike, or even your home office. It's not just water. It's FIJI Water.  Article: Visit ARTICLE.COM/YFT for $50 off your first purchase of $100 or more  Schedule35: Get 15% Off with code YFT at Schedule35.co   Sundays: Get 40% off your first order of Sundays. Go to sundaysfordogs.com/YFT or use code YFT at checkout  Fungies: You can find these yummy gummies in the Vitamin section at your local Walmart or conveniently shop on their website, eatfungies.com. Plus, enjoy free shipping and 20% off with code YFT.  Don't forget to rate, review, and follow Your Favorite Podcast! Plus, keep up with us between episodes on our Instagram pages, @yftpodcast @wellsadams and @brandicyrus and be sure to leave us a voicemail with your fave things at 858-630-1856!  This podcast is brought to you by Podcast Nation 

On this episode we have the return of Mr.Glass. We disccused being successful...do we have acccess to the F##$ U moments.We also discuss the success of Deadpool vs Wolverine with reviews. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thenoholdsbarredcrew/support

Andy is from my Private Facebook Group and he has unique takes on life.  We talk a little bit about the Trump Biden disastrous Presidential Debate.  Andy's hilarious F U that is very relatable.  We reminisce about Blockbuster, talk UFOs chasing me down the beach , we talk Kevin hart's coconut, who's this generation's George Carlin and much more! Join a great group of people on my Private Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/groups/203909694525714 #funnypodcast #comedypodcast #hamptons #longisland #beachlife #opieandanthony  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Episode 113 - Taylor Swift and the Divine Feminine with Meredith Beardmore I'm so excited to bring you today's episode! I will be geeking out about Taylor Swift and the Divine Feminine with therapist – and Swiftie- Meredith Beardmore. Meredith Beardmore is a psychotherapist operating a private practice, the author of Hey Addiction, Thanks for NOTHING!: A Brutally Honest Guide to Loving an Addict Without Losing Your Mind, and is also known as “Mend with Mere” from her successful YouTube Channel. Meredith is an Ohio State University graduate with a master's in Clinical Mental Health Counseling. Meredith specializes in substance abuse treatment, helping family members of addicts and treating emerging adults with various issues, from identity development to depression. Her YouTube Channel, “Mend with Mere,” initially intended for therapy discussions, became a platform for analyzing song lyrics, primarily Taylor Swift's, garnering thousands of subscribers and over 5 million hours of watch time. I am so happy to have found MEND WITH MERE, and her channel where she often thoughtfully discusses, dissects and reacts to songs. I stumbled upon her page in the research that goes along w dissecting lyrics! The recent Taylor Swift album – the Tortured Poets Department- is rich with amazing and meaningful songs that really sent me down rabbit holes. I've recently become a Swiftie, and I'm not embarrassed to admit it! The more I've learned about Taylor Swift and her work, the more I've grown to love her! When she started the Eras tour last year I noticed all the girl mom friends of mine who went to see the show with their daughters were just as crazy to see her as their daughters were…  this intrigued me and I ended up watching the Netflix Special on her called “MISS AMERICANA”. From there I really grew to really respect her as an artist and person. It's clear she's a smart, self-aware and sensitive.  I only began delving into her catalogue since February of this year after watching her video for “You Need To Calm Down”. Seeing how she advocates for the LGBTQ really warmed my heart- I cried when I first saw it even tho it's not necessarily a tear jerker! As a mom to a transgirl it made me even happier to see someone with this platform saying F U to the naysayers. I then started listening to her on Spotify, just letting it play… I heard the song “I Did Something Bad” where she mentions how narcissists love her (common for empaths) and then she sang “They're burning all the witches even if you aren't one…. So light me up” and I got CHILLS so bad!! I could feel the power she was channeling and was floored! I later learned about the song Willow and her video for that where it looks like a coven of women dancing around the moon—fun fact, this tree is associated with Hecate—Queen of the Witches, goddess of the underworld connected to magic and divination. Witch isn't a bad word- a witch is a woman in her power who can transmute energy and Taylor Swift does just that. From the snakes being thrown her way w the bs drama she had with Kim Kardashian and Kanye West, where she turned it around for fuel for her Reputation album, to changing the script on London and her relationship to that city (We recorded this just prior to those shows… Travis Kelce is clearly the Divine Masculine and his performance with Taylor on stage was so symbolic and amazing. If you don't know what I'm talking about, clearly you are NOT a Swiftie, lol. Google it! Night 3 London, June 22). They both really embody the divine feminine and masculine so strongly.  Nothing prepared me tho for when she premiered her performance of “Who's Afraid of Little Old Me” from her new album in Paris back in May. This was an empowered woman, not hiding her rage and playfully playing on people's fears/accusations of her being a witch. I ate that shit up!! Every single time I listen to or watch that song I get chills and my eyes fill with tears. She channels such power and light. Meredith and I speak about sacred rage, how it's necessary to feel in order to heal, we speak on intuition and how it grows after the arrival of our children. We speak about our kids on the spectrum and their heightened sensitivities, and we also touch on the oh so common narcissist and empath connection. I loved my conversation with Meredith, we meandered a bit and I love all the different directions we went in. I hope you enjoy it too!! Mend with Mere (YouTube) Meredith's website   Books mentioned: Anita Moorjani- Dying To Be Me (book on near death experience) Gabor Mate - The Myth of Normal (book connecting trauma to physical illness)  

First, a discussion on the running back market in the NFL as Rhamondre Stevenson signs an extension with the Patriots. It made him the sixth highest paid running back in the league. Arcand questions whether that should be the case.  Then, did baseball ops and the computers involved tell Cora to make the Red Sox stop stealing bases? Jones is convinced that the higher ups are involved. "If Cora is giving baseball ops an F U by telling them to run, good for him," says Jones.

Best bets for the finals, protecting Caitlyn, The ultimate F U guys and a convict shall lead them

In this episode, Adam Torres and McKenzi Brooke, Actress, Influencer and Artist, explore the inspiration behind McKenzi's new song, “F-U.” Follow Adam on Instagram at https://www.instagram.com/askadamtorres/ for up to date information on book releases and tour schedule. Apply to be a guest on our podcast: https://missionmatters.lpages.co/podcastguest/ Visit our website: https://missionmatters.com/ More FREE content from Mission Matters here: https://linktr.ee/missionmattersmedia

We all have to have financial freedom, let's calculate your F U number together and talk about things to think thru to start this journey --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/thingsyoushouldknow/message

First doctors told her she would go blind because of a brain tumor, but she didn't. Twenty years later they discovered a massive liver tumor and diagnosed her with a non-treatable cancer, Primary Hepatic Angio Sarcoma. Later, she found two breast tumors. Most people with this condition are given 2-6 months to live. But Monica Rosenke is living an active and thriving life as a mom of three, Personal Trainer, coach and adventurist. Tune in to hear what healing shifts she's made to thrive and be courageous when facing death and authentically living life.    Favorite quotes:    “Movement is a tool to work with your body, not on your body.”   “I'm acutely aware of every breath anyone takes is one breath closer to death. That makes you just want to live your life and grab it by the pelotas and like, really, really live it. And you start to shed layers of appeasing to others..who other people want you to be and you start to realize that this is my one and only life I get to live.”    “Thriving with cancer is living in the moment because I'm not guaranteed tomorrow. But nobody is.”    “Moving into acceptance quickly for me has been key.”    “It [cancer] doesn't define what I can do. This is my F-U to cancer, not letting cancer steal my joy, my peace, my calm….That applies even to people who are afraid to do that thing…If you're living in fear of death, you'll never live.”    “I'm enough in whatever circumstance in this very moment. When I came to that place of deeply knowing in my gut that I'm sacred and that I'm a gift…the other things became more pleasurable.”    “Strong, capable, able…Hold hands with fear and step into courage.”    “I've been brave for a very long time in my life. I just did not know that about myself.”    Connect with Monica:  @monicarosenke.wellness www.monicarosenke.com     Remember to share your #pluckynotperfect moments on social media. Tag me and use the hashtag when you show up bravely and imperfectly. I want to celebrate with you! Connect with your host: Coach Carrie @‌carriejobradley or email carrie@carriejobradley.com.  

Forget college campuses, the real culture war will take place next week in Malmo, Sweden, where the Eurovision Song Contest (otherwise known as the "gay olympics") takes place. We are joined by sports journalist and Eurovision rainman Sharon Davidovitch to talk about how Israel will fare this year in the glitter soaked battlefield - even if you know nothing of what is as big as the Superbowl across the pond, this episode offers fascinating takes about the Intersection between gepolotics and culture.  We talk about why Israel had to change the name of it's song this year or risk being kicked out, how Dana International blew the world's mind in 1998 as the first transgender winner (from Israel!), why the 1983 outfits of the Israeli team were a big F U to Germany, how we determine who is antisemitic based on how they vote, and a little about what it's like to play and cover sports on behalf of Israel abroad. Come for the music, stay for the weird insights into Scandanavian incestuous voting habits. Show notes:Israel's banger 2024 entry, Hurricane by Eden Golan (previously titled "October rain")Israeli contestant warned to stay in her hotel room in SwedenIsraels' first win, A-Ba-Ni-Bi (Paris, 1978)Israel's second win, Hallelujah (Jerusalem, 1979)Israel's third win, Diva (Birminghamm 1998)Israel's fourth win, Toy (Lisbon, 2018)Honorary mention - "Chai" (Munich, 1983)Spotify playlist of Israeli Eurovision entriesSharon's TwitterSharon's website (Hebrew)   Joing the AAJ conversation on Susbtack! askajew.substack.comEmail us your questions askajewpod@gmail.com ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ Want to help us grow? Rate and review us 5 stars on Apple podcasts and Spotify ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐

Our love for the world around us and our passion for protecting that world can come from many different places. It can come from a connection to the land, or a magical experience we had with other people in a particular place, or our sense of awe from the beauty of the living creatures that inhabit these ecosystems. But that love and passion can also come from seeing or experiencing the destruction of the same ecological web, from pollution in the air that rains down onto a playground, or the clearing of a wildlife habitat to make way for a fossil fuel pipeline.Dave Cortez has been organizing for environmental justice in Texas for the better part of two decades. He lives in Austin now, but the love and passion that guides him came from the Rio Grande, the Sierra Madre Mountains and the high desert of West Texas. And from fighting a copper smelter and other threats to the land, air and water in and around his native El Paso. Dave has a fierce love for his El Paso Community. But cutting his teeth as an environmental justice organizer in his hometown wasn't easy. Dave is now Director of the Lone Star Chapter of the Sierra Club, where he's bringing his El Paso roots and years of experience on the streets and in the communities around Texas to the Sierra Club's statewide campaigns.I've known Dave for many years and used to regularly attend environmental justice meetings in Austin that he helped organize. I've seen him rise from an on-the-ground organizer to the leader of the Texas chapter of one of the oldest and largest environmental organizations in the world.Our conversation tracks his education as an environmental justice organizer. From the playgrounds of El Paso to the gentrifying neighborhoods of Austin, his story reflects the changing nature of the American environmental movement and the exciting possibilities of more robust connections between community-based frontline environmental justice struggles and the large and powerful environmental organizations with nationwide influence.You can listen on Substack, Apple Podcasts, and other podcast platforms.Please rate, review, and share to help us spread the word!Dave CortezDave Cortez is a 3rd generation El Pasoan now based out of Austin where he lives with his partner and six year old daughter. He grew up and learned organizing on the frontera, where industrial pollution, poverty, gentrification, racism and the border wall are seen as intersecting issues. Dave serves as the Director of the Sierra Club Lone Star Chapter, and has been organizing in the Texas environmental movement for 18 years. Dave is supporting staff and volunteers across Texas who are organizing for power by centering racial justice and equity alongside frontline communities directly impacted by polluting industries.Quotation Read by Dave Cortez"There is no such thing as a single-issue struggle because we do not live single-issue lives. Malcolm knew this. Martin Luther King, Jr. knew this. Our struggles are particular, but we are not alone. We are not perfect, but we are stronger and wiser than the sum of our errors. Black people have been here before us and survived. We can read their lives like signposts on the road and find, as Bernice Reagon says so poignantly, that each one of us is here because somebody before us did something to make it possible. To learn from their mistakes is not to lessen our debt to them, nor to the hard work of becoming ourselves, and effective. We lose our history so easily, what is not predigested for us by the New York Times, or the Amsterdam News, or Time magazine. Maybe because we do not listen to our poets or to our fools, maybe because we do not listen to our mamas in ourselves. When I hear the deepest truths I speak coming out of my mouth sounding like my mother's, even remembering how I fought against her, I have to reassess both our relationship as well as the sources of my knowing. Which is not to say that I have to romanticize my mother in order to appreciate what she gave me – Woman, Black. We do not have to romanticize our past in order to be aware of how it seeds our present. We do not have to suffer the waste of an amnesia that robs us of the lessons of the past rather than permit us to read them with pride as well as deep understanding. We know what it is to be lied to, and we know how important it is not to lie to ourselves. We are powerful because we have survived, and that is what it is all about – survival and growth. Within each one of us there is some piece of humanness that knows we are not being served by the machine which orchestrates crisis after crisis and is grinding all our futures into dust. If we are to keep the enormity of the forces aligned against us from establishing a false hierarchy of oppression, we must school ourselves to recognize that any attack against Blacks, any attack against women, is an attack against all of us who recognize that our interests are not being served by the systems we support. Each one of us here is a link in the connection between anti-poor legislation, gay shootings, the burning of synagogues, street harassment, attacks against women, and resurgent violence against Black people. I ask myself as well as each one of you, exactly what alteration in the particular fabric of my everyday life does this connection call for? Survival is not a theory. In what way do I contribute to the subjugation of any part of those who I define as my people? Insight must illuminate the particulars of our lives." - Audre LordeRecommended Readings & MediaTranscriptIntroJohn Fiege  Our love for the world around us and our passion for protecting that world can come from many different places. It can come from a connection to the land, or a magical experience we had with other people in a particular place, or our sense of awe from the beauty of the living creatures that inhabit these ecosystems. But that love and passion can also come from seeing or experiencing the destruction of this same ecological web: from pollution in the air that rains down onto a playground or the clearing of wildlife habitat to make way for a fossil fuel pipeline.Dave Cortez has been organizing for environmental justice in Texas for the better part of two decades. He lives in Austin now, but the love and passion that guides him came from the Rio Grande, the Sierra Madre mountains, and the high desert of West Texas—and it came from fighting a copper smelter and other threats to the land, air, and water in and around his native El Paso. Dave has a fierce love for his El Paso community but cutting his teeth as an environmental justice organizer in his home town wasn't easy.Dave Cortez  Two of my close family members worked at the plant. My dad's brother worked at the plant and then worked at Chevron on the other side of town. And then his brother in law, worked at the plant and retired. And here I was, this younger punk, you know, sort of just not super close to the family, showing up at events and they asked what I'm doing and, oh, they think I'm a paid protester, you know, forget my education, forget what's at what I'm actually saying. You know, it's, deep cultural assimilation. It's deep colonization, sort of this Stockholm syndrome that develops out of poverty and repression. It's horrific, and it's sad to watch. People fiercely defend the only thing that has helped them in their eyes and not be able to acknowledge the harm that's been done. It's not different from, you know, addiction in that way, or depression.John Fiege  Or domestic abuse. Dave Cortez  Exactly. It's heartbreaking. It still hurts me to talk about. John Fiege  I'm John Fiege, and this is Chrysalis.Dave Cortez is now Director of the Lone Star Chapter of the Sierra Club, where he's bringing his El Paso roots and years of experience on the streets and in the communities around Texas to the Sierra Club's statewide campaigns.I've known Dave for many years and used to regularly attend environmental justice meetings in Austin that he helped organize. I've seen him rise from an on-the-ground organizer to the leader of the Texas chapter of one of the oldest and largest environmental organizations in the world.Our conversation tracks his education as an environmental justice organizer. From the playgrounds of El Paso to the gentrifying neighborhoods of Austin, his story reflects the changing nature of the American environmental movement and the exciting possibilities of more robust connections between community-based frontline environmental justice struggles and the large and powerful environmental organizations with nationwide influence.Here is Dave Cortez.ConversationJohn FiegeWell, you grew up in El Paso in Far West Texas, and it's right on the border of Mexico and New Mexico. Can you tell me a bit about growing up there, and your family and how you saw yourself in relationship to the rest of nature.Dave Cortez  I've got a little picture I'm looking at my my very first demonstration. It's a bunch of kids, kids meaning college kids, my my age at the time, about maybe 22, 23, and a big peace flag and we're hanging around what was called Plaza de Los Lagartos, Plaza of the Alligators. And we're there I think we're protesting, must have been continuing invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, but you know, I keep it up. And I keep pictures of the mountains of West Texas, the edge of the Rockies is what cuts into the central central part of El Paso, the Franklin Mountains. And then you have the Rio Grande, the heart and soul of that land. And on the other side of the river, those mountains continue into the Sierra Madres all the way down to the coast. It's majestic. It's, you know, that land is as colonized as is its people. You know, it's been, the river has been dammed up upstream in New Mexico, and two reservoirs to provide water for agriculture and farming and things like that, recreation. It was the only area of water that we we had access to when I was a kid. We would drive up to Truth or Consequences and load up on nightcrawlers and whatever other tackle and bait, and then take my dad's car and drive along somewhere, find a good spot. And fish from the shore for a couple of days at a time, camp, and, you know, that was a desert lake. It was wild for me, because we didn't have water, you know.John Fiege  So tell me about what you did. Dave Cortez  Well, we would just go up there. That was, that was our place to go get get access to water, you know, away from the desert, you know, growing up in El Paso, you just, it's It's dry, it's desert, we get, we used to average nine inches of rain a year, it's down now, you know, but the Rio was, it's always been sacred and it was special, it was a place you could go and see water. Not all year round, but most of the year and see it flowing and you look in any direction, away from the mountains, and you can see what feels endless, but it's actually you know, two or more hundred miles to the horizon, you see Thunder heads 30, 40, sometimes 45 or 50,000 feet high way far away, you think maybe you hope maybe those might come your way, maybe we'll get lucky and get a little bit of rain. Most times they don't. But with that sometimes you're blessed with the outflow that carries the smell of creosote, a native plant in the region that everybody's come to call the smell of rain. And, you know, even if you don't actually get the rain yourself, you might get some of those breezes and some of that wonderful smell. And it's, it's life giving, it's restorative. As a kid, you know, I was fortunate that my family made an effort to take us out into the desert quite a bit, we would go chase storms, we would watch lightning, my father would turn the AM radio to a blank station so we could hear the the lightning on the radio, the static pop. And we got a real kick out of that and we'd go off roading and find spots and park and you know, just hang out. And that was a pretty common thing for a lot of folks around town is just to get out into the desert. You know, my my heart and soul and my spirit is connected to that land, it is part of that land, I draw strength from those mountains, from that river. I worry about moving further away, what that might do to me, how how that might be a strain. Even just being here in Austin 600 miles away, it feels very far. You know, my family was middle class, I call it 80s middle class. And, you know, both my parents worked. I have two older siblings. And you know, we were all in public school and doing our thing. You know, everything seemed, you know, like The Wonder Years kind of situation. And you know, you don't when you're young, if you're fortunate, you don't see a lot of the issues around you. It wasn't until my teens, my parents split. And I was living with my mom and started to see a lot more other sides of life, some of the struggles, and just kind of notice more about the town, about the culture. But it was really when I moved back to El Paso after college, here in Austin at St. Edward's, where I studied political science and philosophy and environmental policy. When I moved back, it all started to come together how much I missed, how much I was removed from about my community and my culture in my youth. You know, so the language is the biggest example. We did not speak Spanish in my family. It was something my parents spoke to each other when they needed to talk about something that we didn't need to know about as kids. John Fiege  Right, right. Dave Cortez  You know, we didn't know about our indigeneity we weren't raised around that, we didn't know about the cultural connection to the land. I think in some way the spirit in my family drew us towards it. We would go spend time around those things, but we didn't really have conversations about it. And the biggest thing I didn't know about was how heavily polluted and contaminated the air was growing up. I tell a story about going into middle school. This time I was in in private school and Catholic school. Just being out on the playground it's a you know, concrete schoolyard kind of situation. And you run your hand on the on the railing and there's yellow chalk-like stuff and you don't think twice about it because it's like chalk. Or it's dust. Well, you know, in that part of town, downtown El Paso, it's because of the copper smelter. We had a 110 year old lead and copper smelting operation called Asarco that was less than two miles away from where I was going to school. And you know, you move on, maybe, you're a kid, maybe you wash your hands, maybe you don't. And it just, you know, when I moved back, I thought of that--I thought of all the times, I used to play in the dirt, like every other kid in El Paso does, you know, you don't got Barton Springs to go to or Greenbelt Creek, you play in the dirt, dig tunnels, and that stuff gets in you. And that's loaded with heavy metals, arsenic, cadmium, lead, you name it. It was it was a huge shock for me to learn that the land that I was around as a child, and the air that I was around as a child was just heavily contaminated. And I knew nothing about it. John Fiege  But what was the experience like when you were actually in college and getting more heavily into activism? Like what was motivating you? And how did you see yourself in relationship to other folks?Dave Cortez  Right on. Well, I can't leave out that the reason I came to Austin was because of my older brother and my older sister. I had never seen green, like this town, when I came to visit my sister in the summer. So I just was blown away, everything was green, there was water, it rained, I just felt like an oasis and I wanted to come here. So I went to St. Ed's, which ended up being, you know, expensive as hell, but really cool in the sense of, you know, an opportunity to learn, to be away from home. You know, and so, I didn't really know what to make of this town when I was here. I didn't know what to make of the people, the students, but by the grace of the Creator, in serendipity, I was thrown into a class on social movements. And that's a study in the 1960s. And so, you know, I developed a really foundational experience learning about the broader politic of American civil society, in that case, which blossomed into deeper learning around political theory and rhetoric, dating all the way back to some of the Greek philosophers, and modern day political thinkers, but I really got a ton of wild information into my head. In 2006, it wasn't here in Austin. It was on North Padre Island. The Austin Sierra Club was organizing a trip, there was a woman I liked at the time. And we were were fancying each other and were like, "Hey, let's go camping. I don't know what a crawfish is. But they're doing a crawfish boil. And they say they're going to clean up the beach." So we grabbed my SUV when we went and set up, and it was awesome to be out there around all these people we didn't know, you know, offering us free food and beer and just, you know, associating on this beach. And that, I really loved. Folks might not know this, it's like 60 plus miles of primitive Beach, outside of Corpus Christi. But I didn't quite understand what we're really doing until the next morning, right at dawn, when I was awoken by these huge sounds of tractor trailers hauling right by the water right in front of us. Just a caravan of them driving down to the other end of the beach to do gas drilling. You know, we get out of the tent, and we're watching this and I mean, you just want to, you know, throw something at those trucks, you know, and go put your body in front or something like "What the hell's going on?" And you're just watching the rubber, the plastic, you name it just fall off these trucks. And in their wake is just a mass of debris, and trash. And this is all in endangered Kemp's ridley sea turtle habitat, its nest a nesting area for the Kemp's ridley sea turtle. And that's why we were there. And so, you know, right after that we all commiserated and got to work and picked up more trash than I think, you know, I've ever picked up. And I'm still shocked that that was allowed. But that's really where I started to take a turn and understand more about how the state facilitates this destruction, the destruction of the land and for the profits of few. And shortly after that I graduated, and that was it for my time in Austin.John Fiege  So after you graduated from college, you went back to El Paso, and you became an environmental justice organizer for El Paso, ACORN. And it was shortly after your time there in 2009, that right wing activists did a big hit job on ACORN and brought down the organization in the US for the most part. An ACORN was was a powerful community organizing group at its height, and it had this unique community based organizing model. Could you talk a bit about the ACORN organizing model and how it, possibly, I assume, became part of your organizing DNA?Dave Cortez  Just like learning about the 1960s is a pillar of my practice. The  work with Acorn is right there with it. You know, it shaped me, maybe it's just because it's one of the first things I learned about, but it'll be with me, as long as I do this work and have breath in my lungs. You know, some people were quick to point to that it's built out of the school of the Industrial Areas Foundation and Saul Alinsky model of community organizing, and yeah, that's true. But, you know, I didn't know any of that. I didn't, you know, I was, I was just taken in by these folks. There was a guy, recovering addict, just trying to make his money doing his canvassing while I was hanging out at a coffee shop, kind of where I was living in El Paso, the university. And there's my day off and I'm out there hanging out. There's this dude, his name was Ken. Ken let me know how they were planning to reopen the ASARCO copper smelter, the big 120 820 foot tall smokestack that I grew up around, and I was shocked. And, and that's, you know, like I studied all these things. And I was like, wow, I cannot believe that that's right there, my mom lives over here, you know, she works there, I live over here. And, you know, I told them, whatever I can do to help: get more letters, spread a petition around, whatever I can do. And they invited me in to meet the team, which was a small team. And the first task they gave me was actually nothing to do with that it was just to go distribute information about free tax prep, helping people in a really poor community, not far from where I went to middle school in which is not far from the smelter, get access to tax prep, in English and Spanish. And at the time, I had a, I had a mohawk. I covered that thing up real fast. I wore a straw cowboy hat and went door to door knocking on people's doors, let them know about this. And Jose Manuel, the the lead organizer at the time, the director saw me and, you know, was into it. And, you know, they offered me a job after a few days of that. And the job was doing the same thing, plus inviting people to come to a community meeting about the reopening of ASARCO. So here's a way that we can help you. With some, you know, with your money, basically, your your bottom line, and also, there's a situation happening, that can affect and will affect your your health and well being, and the safety of your family. At the time, I didn't realize that there was a very intentional strategy there. But that strategy is essential to the work that we do as environmentalists and in climate justice activists around the country, and here in Texas, people are struggling, and you got to find ways to help them directly with what they're struggling with day to day, which is often their pocketbooks. And so if you can do that, you're going to build some trust, you can build some relationships, and then you might be lucky to talk to them about another bigger, more complicated issue.John Fiege  That seems to be, like, a really beautiful definition of the difference between environmental justice organizing, and traditional environmental organizing, where environmental justice organizing, you have to start with the community, and make sure everybody you know, you have to deal with everything, you can't just isolate an environmental issue. Would you agree with that?Dave Cortez  Absolutely. Absolutely. I don't know where that came from. I again, I'm not a I've read all the books about these things, but that, the model that was picked up by so many organizations and NGOs is is you know, it's it's almost like counter revolutionary, it's almost counterproductive. Like you're intentionally trying to marginalize your base in silos, you know, so, so whatever we do, you know, I try to espouse that in folks, some of the work we've done around Austin and other parts of Texas, that's the route we go, talk about bills, talk about bills every time and then, you know, start to figure out what else is going on, you know. With ACORN, a major flaw in the national model was that they would want to sign people up to be bank draft members, like you, you'd push a card onto them, "Hey, send this card in with your bank info or something. And we'll sign you up, you know, so you get access to our help." And obviously, I didn't do that. And as the work evolved, and we got more people canvassing and doing the work, we didn't do that either. It went against our values. Now, if there were middle class people, people with more means, yeah, we'd asked them to do that, too.John Fiege  To contribute a certain amount each month.Dave Cortez  Yeah. But we also did things differently, in the sense of, we organized, we found, you know, folks who are highly motivated by the issues, students, artists, residents in the nearby communities who wanted to contribute, and contribute their time, That theory in the ACORN model of, you got to get people financially bought in to be committed, I think can be challenged and there's lots of ways to get people plugged in. And so, one other key here was, you know, I wasn't brand new, this work wasn't brand new. There had been people fighting ASARCO before I was involved, obviously, and it had ebbed and flowed in terms of how much community opposition from just, like, working class people was centered. There was a lot of wealthier folks, politico types, you know, people who worked for legislators or senators or city people, you know, academics, things like that. And there was a handful of working class people in a smattering of workers from plant workers. So our job was really to find more just like students and people in the impacted communities, but it had been going on for so long that people were really drained. You know, parents who, whose children had MS as a result of this or had other health problems, they eventually backed off because it was just too exhausting to go up against the machine of the Texas State Government and go testify, and struggle, and they just couldn't do it anymore. You know, so we had to find new people and inject new life. You know, we made it a point to work with some of the younger folks to start a--not really an acorn chapter--but just a group on the campus called students for reform. And those kids are amazing, a couple dozen students, Chicanos, for the most part, all going off to do awesome things in their lives. But for three, three years, four years, they they led the fight, they're on campus challenging the administration to disclose more information and trying to represent student opposition to the reopening of the smelter.John Fiege  I was looking up some articles about ASARCO. I found this this one 2010 article from John Burnett, who's a NPR correspondent based in Austin. So he talks about in 2009, the US Justice Department announced the settlement of one of the largest environmental bankruptcies in US history, in which ASARCO would pay a record $1.79 billion to settle claims for hazardous waste pollution in you know, at 80 sites, as many as 20 states, including the copper smelting operation in in El Paso. And he quotes some interesting community members like an 82 year old former maintenance worker named Miguel Beltran, who says, "you can't get a job here in El Paso compared to ASARCO, ASARCO is the best place to work. We were just like a family." And John Burnett, also quotes an anti-smelter activist named Debbie Kelly, who says, "They marketed very well. And the people of El Paso were brainwashed believed that this was the most wonderful thing El Paso could possibly have, this tall polluting contaminating smokestack." And this is this classic tension and environmental justice organizing. The big polluter in town is often the biggest and best paying employer as well, especially for folks with limited education. And these working folks often side with the company in some ways, and then at some times, kind of accepting the environmental problems for the economic opportunities. And the smokestack itself is this shining symbol of progress and prosperity that goes way back to the beginnings of the Industrial Revolution. What was your experience with this tension between economic opportunity and environmental health in the organizing, and how that was represented in the media?Dave Cortez  Well, let's take a few cracks at it, because it's a big question. You know, I'll start with my family, two of my close family members worked at the plant, my dad's brother worked at the plant and then worked at Chevron on the other side of town. And then his brother in law, worked at the plant and retired. And here I was, this younger punk, you know, sort of just not super close to the family, showing up at events, and that's what I'm doing and "oh," they think, "I'm a paid protester," you know, forget my education, forget what I'm actually saying. You know, it's, it's deep cultural assimilation. It's deep colonization, sort of this Stockholm syndrome that develops out of poverty and repression. It's horrific. And it's sad to watch, you know, people fiercely defend the only thing that has helped them, in their eyes, and not be able to acknowledge the harm that's been done. It's not different from, you know, addiction in that way.  Or, or depression in that way. John Fiege  Right.  Or domestic abuse. Don't talk about it. Dave Cortez  Domestic abuse. Exactly. You know, it's heartbreaking. It still hurts me to talk about. But, you know, that was the case. And you know, in that situation, just try and make peace with your family just, you know, get through the gathering. And you go on in, you know, some of my family was very supportive, you know, like, "yeah, that stuff's bad, and we should do better." You don't get investments in the well being of a community that like say, in Austin and all this money flooding here and STEM education being invested in and, you know, pre K access and, you know, nature based education and Montessori education, things like that. All of this is part of that, that conflict that pushes you to try and find the best thing you can for your family. And any of the workers that I organized alongside say the same thing. They were so proud and happy--Daniel Adriano another sort of lead visible face against the reopening of smelter, he's a former steel worker, you know, he tells a story about like, his dad worked there, his uncle, his cousins, you know, it was just like a family thing, like everybody, if you could get a job at ASARCO, you knew you'd be okay. You could raise a family, maybe even your wife or your spouse, your partner wouldn't have to work. But, you know, behind that, that Golden Gate, there was a lot of things that people weren't being told. You know, things like, maybe you shouldn't be taking your work clothes home and washing them. Right. They sent people home to wash, and that's very common in heavy industry in the 80s 70s 80s and 90s, you know, these these companies do that. In Danny's case, his kids got sick, you know, and they developed health problems. And he points to that as part of the reason washing his clothes in the same machine with, as his kids clothes. His wife feels guilt about that. Heavy guilt. John Fiege  Yeah. That's hard. Dave Cortez  You know, it's violating. You know, they had them--that settlement came because they, well, in part because ASARCO was caught for illegally incinerating hazardous chemical weapons waste materials from Colorado, in the smelter in these men weren't told about it. And they shoveled this stuff in there and were exposed to, you know, not recycled waste, just direct waste from the Rocky Mountain Arsenal Wow facility, a weapons manufacturing facility, Dow Chemical weapons manufacturing facility. That stuff was burned and they were exposed. You know, it's infuriating. And once they learned that, and they were falling ill and they had some evidence, they tried to organize other workers, let them know former workers let them know what was going on. And, and they encountered the same thing that I encountered with my family: just like this, this wall of acceptance, this willful ignorance. You know, I don't know about that, you know, just like denial, denial. And that was really hard on them. They got ostracized, they lost a lot of friends. You know, and so they found allyship in other people whose families had been sick, residents on the other side of the river in the Colonias, whose children had been severely sick, who were bleeding every night because of bloody noses and heavy metal contamination. You know, they found allyship with Debbie Kelly in the current place, which is sort of a wealthier neighborhood, you know, the educated, more white affluent folks who didn't want the smelter around. And this, that's how the "Get the lead out" coalition really came together it was--you just had these different interests aligned around this lack of justice, but the worker piece was always--and the economic piece was always always, you know, the straw that would break our back. And when ASARCO hired a PR firm, Teresa Montoya, to build their campaign, their marketing campaign to reopen the smelter, that was their big thing. I want to work for ASARCO I want to work for ASARCO and they march out all these Chicanos and throw them in front of a plant in their hard hats and talk about the good jobs and the pay. You know, it's tough to compete with. I know the people in Port Arthur, in Corpus Christi, even down in Brownsville, you know, and you name it. John Fiege  It's the same story everywhere. It's the same story.Dave Cortez  In Appalachia, as well, with the coal miners. Absolutely. The amount of energy it takes to fight Goliath. You know, you never have enough you never have enough resources. You got a PR firm In, you know, this facility was owned and run ASARCO, Grupo Mexico owned by Carlos Slim, at the time the wealthiest man in the world, you know, like, you're never going to have enough just to stop the bad thing. How are you going to strategize and organize in a way where you're talking about building the good, and replacing it with something better and taking care of these people? It's doable, it absolutely is. But at the time, when you're in the sock like that, it's very hard to pivot. And it's very hard to motivate people who have resources to give you those resources to bring on people to pay them to do that work. It's a boxing match, take your hits, and wait for the time to throw a punch. You know, and I think one thing that really hurt people hurt ASARCO a lot, was when it came out that at their operations in Arizona, El Paso and elsewhere, in the 70s and 80s, they had been using health standards, health assessment screenings that were based on a false standard that black men and brown men had a 15% higher lung capacity than white men, therefore, they could be--they could work 15% longer, they could be exposed 15% more than white men. And that came out. And you know, we had some incredible, dedicated educated volunteers who were digging this information up, who were, you know, putting it to the to the news outlets. And without the news outlets putting that information out there, like the New York Times that put it out about the hazardous chemical weapons waste, you know, we wouldn't have been able to really punch back. But that stuff came out and then we could organize with it. We made materials out of it. I made sure everyone knew that, you know, this is the kind of crap that this place was built on, no matter what they say now you can't trust them. John Fiege  Right. Yeah. And this--another thing that John Burnett brought up in this NPR story is, he quotes some longtime community members who said that when the winds were blowing to the south toward Juarez in Mexico, the smelter would crank up production and send pollution directly into Mexico where they could, they could do nothing to regulate it or stop it even worse than in the US. And that's a pretty insidious and cynical route around US environmental regulations. American companies have this long history of sending their polluting factories and jobs overseas. But in El Paso, they could just send the pollution directly to Mexico while keeping the plant and the jobs in the US. Were you able to do any cross border organizing in El Paso to combat this kind of flagrant disregard for air pollution in Mexico?Dave Cortez  I wasn't able to myself, or it wasn't a choice I made to do myself on the broader scale. Marianna Chu, who worked at the time for the Sierra Club, and as an independent activist and organizer did a whole hell of a lot and deserves a ton of credit. Marianna, and others were also were able to build relationships in the Colonias and get to talk to people that were, you know, the definition of directly impacted, right on the other side of the river. You know, you drive through, you pass on I-10, and you look to the left where you're passing through downtown, and it's just colonias and that's Colonia Felipe and some students who we'd found and became acquainted with at UTEP and were filmmakers and they were able to get over into the colonias and document the lived experience of some of these folks, and it's horrific, and they made a short film, I'm happy to share called The Story of Cristo and it's a little boy, you know, who's like that, he's bleeding, bleeding every night, because he's got heavy metal contamination, two years old. You know, and that story spread. You know, it was similar to other families all throughout the Colonia. Dirt roads, just full of metal, not a lot that could be done unless there was funds provided for it. And part of that settlement in relation to the chemical weapons waste was that ASARCO would give money to an outfit in Mexico to pave those roads. You know, that's it. Accept no wrongdoing. No, no responsibility. We don't admit nothing but, here, take this and leave us alone.John Fiege  Literally, sweeping it under the rug. They're just laying asphalt over the dust.Dave Cortez  Absolutely. I mean, that's that's absolutely right. And, you know, one interesting intersection here with with the colonias there was, as we marched towards the end of 2007 and 2008. You know, we're still fighting the plant, it started to become more and more dangerous and people were less responsive, and less receptive to being interviewed on camera with our comrades, and the gangs, were starting to move in to the Colonia and control things more. And that was that it wasn't safe anymore you can, the last thing you should be doing is driving over there with a camera. And so those stories sort of drifted away, those folks. And we weren't able to really work with them a whole lot more, because the narco war was starting to take root.John Fiege  Because it's, it's how it's the same thing they do to fight you, they give your neighbor a job, and then and they get your neighbor working against you. Dave Cortez  Absolutely, I mean, you know, you're not going to go toe to toe with the same weapons, you got to find a way to find their weak spot and cut them at that weak spot. And, you know, I learned that, I learned that in this fight, you know, we weren't scared of these people. We weren't scared of their minions. We weren't scared of the, you know, the former workers who wanted the plant to open. We weren't scared of them. They tried. Everybody tried to intimidate you, you know, but I'll start with, with that part, first, as a critical strategy. My, you know, 23 year old high energy, Mohawk wearin' self, right, like, I thought I knew it all and was ready to go, just like against that jerk down on Red River Street in Austin. And, you know, the first public meeting, debate, whatever, that we helped organize, some of those, those workers were there outside and they were, you know, they pick a smaller person, a woman to argue with, and she ain't scared of them. But you know, soon enough, there's, there's four or five of them around her and oh, man, you know, machismo is something all of us from the border suffered from and that kicked in hard. You just get into it with these guys. But, you know, that is not the way, that is not the way. You know, arguing and fighting, especially with the people, even though they're trying to get you to do it. The people who want a job in these facilities, the community members who just want a better way for their life, you cannot let the people at the top pit us against each other. That's why it's so important to be anchored in community talking about the nuance, you know, how to step and where, what to look out for, and really trying to build together, it has to be at the forefront.John Fiege  Isn't that the history of American industrial capitalism, that for it to work, the, the industrialists need to pit various groups of people against one another, whether it's along lines of race, or income, or religion, or geography, or immigration status, or, or whatever. Like, that's, that's how it works. You need to divide people by those things, so they don't get together and they don't, they don't form a allegiances.Dave Cortez  That's right. That's right. I mean, it's, but it's not something that's created by the oligarchs and the industrial capitalists and the power holders. It's something that they exploit, right? It's a, it's a wound that's already there. And, you know, it's something that concerns me greatly about broader civil society, and our failures to build community, in relationship in brotherhood and sisterhood. You know, in a true spirit of mutual solidarity, the more that we neglect doing that work, the easier it is for something to divide us or someone to exploit it, we see it, there's an endless amount of examples we can point to. But if you start your work in trying to build something better, and build through a positive relationship, it's going to feed in the long run, it'll help you endure all of the struggles that are going to come the conflicts, you know, the the infighting, the personality disagreements, whatever, you got to have some foundation and I learned that from that, that night outside the UTEP Library arguing with these guys that, "No, we got to we got to find a way to work with these workers. We got to really center the fact that people need work in jobs." And and that's where, you know, I really started to become close with, not the guys I argued with, other workers who were already disaffected, Charlie Rodriguez, and Danielle Riano and Efrain Martinez and others. You know, they became, in some ways they already were but from my work, they became the center of what we're trying to do and focus on, that this is actually not what we want these, these jobs are not the kind that we need, because look what they did to me. And so that's one piece. We've got to find a way to get people more meaningfully involved with the policies we're trying to change, so there's just a far greater number of people pushing for positive investment in something that is, you know, not just like NGO staff, you know, like, the less NGO staff and those boardrooms, the better. You know, get every day, people in their meeting, pressing for these decisions, and calling for it, and that makes it much harder for the special interests to push push their own agenda.John Fiege  Well, that's a good transition to Occupy Wall Street. So in 2011, Occupy Wall Street began in New York City in Zuccotti Park. And then the movement quickly spread around the world, including to Austin. And I know you were heavily involved in Occupy Austin, and its campaign to get the city to divest from commercial banks. I participated in a couple of those occupy Austin Bank actions. And I don't think I'd met you yet. But, you know, as many people might remember, one of the big discussions and debates around Occupy was whether and how to organize and whether to make formal demands, which always makes me think of Frederick Douglass who famously said, "power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did. And it never will." But those words from Frederick Douglass, were not the guiding light of many occupy organizers and participants, I'd love to hear you talk a bit about your experience with Occupy Austin, and the internal debates and conflicts about what it was and how it should operate. And what you brought away from that whole experience that you put into your organizing work after that. Dave Cortez  Yeah, it was one of the most exciting times of my life so far, you know, to be able to three, four, sometimes five nights a week, meet up with 50 to 60 people not at a general assembly, but a working group meeting, and everybody's there ready to, you know, talk and break out and figure out the next step for getting people to close bank accounts. And, you know, organizing the rally and building the art and all those things. It was organic. I'm so happy that, I'm fortunate to have that experience in this city, and in this country. It was real, you see the romanticized version of uprisings in film, in writing, and on the news, different ways around the world. But, you know, this was that, at least the closest I've been to it, and it wasn't just the, you know, the sign holding, and, you know, petition gathering, we did all that. But it was, I mean, like people were, people were in, you know, the sacrifice time away from whatever they had going on around them to contribute to something better, and I have never seen an appetite, so large for participating and contributing to something that can change the world. I've seen it tried to be engineered a whole lot by NGOs. And it's laughable. It's insulting, you know, but for me at the time, it was it was like a dream come true. I remember a week before occupy launch, there was a meeting happening at Ruta Maya, and the room was full of people, and, you know, a bunch of white dudes, hippie yoga types on stage, you know, talking about some stuff, but I'm up there front row, just, you know, like, eager. And just like listening, I'm like, "This is great," you know, so they open the mic for everybody to come up and have something to say. And it was awesome. I'd just never seen it. You know, I was like, "wow, this is the Austin I always wanted to see," you know. Sure enough there was a meeting after that the next day, and the next day after that. And that kind of continued on for a few days. And then and then there was the day of the launch and lots of people packing City Hall. I mean, you couldn't move there were so many people out there and there were people talking for hours. Everybody was just willing to stay. And you know, I can't, I just can't believe how patient people were for weeks. And just like hanging out. You know, I think they just wanted something different. And they wanted to be part of something, like I said, Now, me, day one. I'm like, "yo, if we're gonna be out here, we need some data." And I got my clipboard. And my dear friend and former partner Betsy had been working for a group that was doing foreclosure organizing and getting people to move their bank accounts or close their bank accounts. And so, you know, I got some, some materials from her and took up like six clipboards, to the to the rally. And that was my whole shtick was just like, "Hey, y'all, we should close our corporate bank accounts," and people loved it. You know, it was like, "hey, here goes, put your name down, if you want to help out," and I mean, I filled up pages and pages of this thing, people who wanted to help out or close their bank accounts. And from that, you know, like, you'd find more people that were like, "Hey, I used, you know, I can help with that. And I used to work at a bank," or, you know, "I've got some time on my hands," you know. And so we, it was rad, because while all the noise was happening, the day to day that people were more familiar with Occupy Wall Street. You know, the the General Assemblies, the infighting, the conflicts with the unhoused folks and things like that, we had this parallel track of our bank action crew, which was doing, building switch kits, and, you know, trying to reach out to people to, you know, help walk them through how to close their bank accounts and stuff like that, or organize marches on the bank, so people could go in and come out and cut their credit cards, so we could all celebrate, you know, like, that was, that was great. That's classic organizing. I, you know, if you weren't down in City Hall, every day for that first month, you're missing out on something, you know, I don't think people appreciate enough how much work people invested into trying to maintain a space, like, maintaining a physical encampment is, you know, the people with the most knowledge on how to operate a small, little civil society is the people have been doing it before, which is our unhoused folks, you know. And there was a huge class conflict, that really emerged quickly, that the police and the city manager and others began to exploit, you know, by trying to bring more unhoused folks down to City Hall, allowing some to sell and distribute drugs, not enforcing any oversight, you know, we had women attacked, you know, and attempted assaults and things like that, that they were just looking the other way on. Because they wanted this to go away. And it was up to us to figure out how to manage that. And that really became the core of the non-bank action, kind of conversations. You know, everybody wanted to do solidarity with everything else. But it was really about, like, how do we keep this thing going? And how do we maintain our presence here? You know, do you negotiate with the city? Who negotiates? Who's responsible? Do we just say, you know, F-U, we're not going to talk to you all, you know, but like, through all that, like, some amazing friendships were developed, and I mean, like bonds, true, real friendships, and people may not be super close anymore, but all it would take is a phone call or text to bring people back together. You know, it's something I'll just value for the rest of my life.John Fiege  Yeah, totally. And in 2015, The Austin Chronicle named you the best environmental activist in Austin for your work as, "The heart and soul of Sierra Club's 'Beyond Coal' campaign in Central Texas." And I know you've done all kinds of work with the Sierra Club. But I wondered if you could talk about what the fight has been like to transition from dirty energy to clean energy in Texas, which, of course is the oil capital of the country. And looking over the years you've been doing this work, what stands out? What have you learned from this massive campaign?Dave Cortez  Like you said, it's Texas, we're the number one carbon emitter in the country, and a huge one in the world and the United States cannot meet the modest two week goals in the Paris Accords unless Texas gets its act together, you know, and we got some real problems here, not just from fossil fuel pollution, but from industrial and toxic pollution and just from our livelihoods, you know, there's another story out yesterday, you know, are we going to have power next week, because we're going to hit hit the peak of the summer. You know, it's hard to think about the fight for clean energy in Texas without thinking about the power of the fossil fuel and industrial industries. There's there's been a battle since 2000 and 2005 to stop new power plants and advocate for clean energy. The fuel type changes and you know, back then it was coal and then it is gas and and now, it's like, oh my god, we just don't have enough power. Now, how do we get it? But it's still the, you know, trade associations, the Association of Electric Companies in Texas, you know, Oncor, which is an electric distributor company, NRG, you go down the line, Energy Transfer Partners, all of these fossil fuel corporations, making billions and billions of dollars, still call the shots, they still influence, and basically direct, decision makers on what is going to be acceptable in terms of, even, discussion. You can't even get a hearing in the state legislature on flaring reduction, which is a very modest thing. Because they have enough influence to make sure that that conversation is not even going to happen. And their members, like Energy Transfer Partners, and others are some of the biggest donors to politicians in the state. So, you know, why shouldn't we listen to those people? Kelsy Warren, Dakota Access Pipeline CEO, behind Energy Transfer Partners, gave a million dollars, his largest donation ever to Governor Abbott, right immediately after the legislative session. And this is after his company made well over a billion dollars, I think it's closer to $2 billion, coming out of the winter storm, Energy Transfer Partners. While people died, these people decided it would make better financial sense and profit sense to go ahead and withhold supplies of gas to power plants and gas utilities, and let the price go up before they would deliver that gas and therefore make a ton of money. Forget that more than you know, some say 200, some say 700 people died, many of them freezing to death, many of them carbon monoxide poisoning during the storm, forget that. It's all about the money. And that's the biggest takeaway here, just like we would be fighting Carlos Slim, and ASARCO and other folks, you got to look at what the interest is, you know, why are people supporting this? Why are they facilitating this? I know, it's easy to just say, well, we just got to vote these people out. Well, you know, we've got to come up with strategies that will allow us to do that. We've got to come up with strategies that will make it so, in this state that's so heavily corrupt and captured by corporate interests, fossil fuel interests, industrial interests, that we're going to find a way to cut into their enabling electorate. Their enabling base. And it's more than just a voter registration strategy. It's more than just a mobilization strategy, or getting people to sign a petition, it gets back to what we started talking about with ACORN. What is their base? Where are they? What are their interests? And where does it make sense to try and make some inroads, and cut away? And unfortunately, we just don't have enough of that happening in Texas. There's an effort to try to build coalitions with, you know, some social justice and some youth focused organizations. But we're all part of that same progressive "groupthink" or Democratic base, that we're not actually doing much to expand, other than registering some new voters. And there's a lot of unpacking that needs to happen. You know, can we go talk to some steel workers or some people on the Texas-Mexico border, who started to vote more for Republicans and Trump, because they were worried about the Green New Deal? They're worried about losing their oil jobs. Why, I mean, like, to this day, we haven't made that pivot collectively as a movement, and it's hella frustrating.John Fiege  Yeah, it gets back to what we were talking about earlier with, you know, kind of the DNA of environmental justice orientation to this work, the work has to be intersectional if you want to transition Texas, the oil capital of the world, to to non-fossil fuel based energy, you know, you need to deal with, with voting rights, you need to deal with the bad education system, you need to deal with healthcare issues, you need to deal with police brutality, and you know, it's like it's all connected. To think that we can remove this issue of decarbonizing our energy source from all of that other, you know, what some people see as messy stuff is delusional, it just doesn't doesn't work, doesn't make sense. Especially, and it's so obvious in places like Texas, where, you know, what are they doing? They're just trying to, they're trying to suppress the vote, like, they know what the deal is, you know, they're they're losing numbers. They need to disenfranchise more voters in order to maintain this system. Dave Cortez  You know, there's an important caveat and distinction for environmentalists, environmental justice folks, or whatever. You know, if you talk to John Beard with Port Arthur Community Action Network, you know, he's a former steel worker. His whole pitch in Port Arthur is about youth engagement jobs, investing in the community. He's willing to talk to the companies, things like that. It's not environmental-first type of thinking. But the enviros, and you'll see this any legislative session, if you pay attention, we are on the far losing side of the losers. Okay, the Democrats being the losers, you know, Democrats in Texas carry House Bill 40, which is the ban on fracking bans. You know, Mrs. T, Senator Senfronia Thompson out of Houston, she authored that bill, Black Democrat, you know, revered for her work on voting rights and reproductive justice. You know, enviros, we are way, way out of the mix. And so even if we got those organizations doing the work you're talking about, to speak about climate change, speak about the grid, you know, pollution, things like that, we'd still be part of that losing side. And I'm not saying we need to need to be building out into red country, or rural country. It's a critique of the broader progressive movement that we aren't doing enough to find people, the greater majority of people that don't participate in our process, in politics, in voting, except in presidential elections. We are not doing enough to reach people who are just going about their lives and do not give a s**t about the things that we post online about our petitions or positions, or our op-eds, or whatever. That is where the fight is, we've got to draw more people in while the right wing tries to keep more people out. That's our only pathway. And so--John Fiege  What does a just transition mean to you?Dave Cortez  It's what we've been talking about, it's a whole shift in, you know, the operating system of a of a community, whether it's a town of 50,000 people or a state of, you know, 25 million. Just transition means that we're taking into full consideration, our triple bottom line, you know, our health, and shelter, and food, you know, our economics, our jobs, and ability to put, you know, bring income and get the things that we need. And, you know, just the land and our ecology. Just transition has to anchor that we are--that those things are connected, and that they're not--they can't be separated, that in order for our families, and our children and our neighbors and all that, to have a future and have a livelihood, we need to be concerned about our air quality, concerned about our water quality, but also about the quality of their education, the access to healthy food and grocery stores. If you were to talk to people and ask them to envision what, you know, their dream society looks like, which is a hard thing for people to do nowadays. You know, you'll hear some of these things and just transition is the process that we take to get there. It's not about you know, getting a worker from a fossil fuel job into a clean energy job.John Fiege  Well, and speaking of that, you know, in addition to your beyond coal and just transition work, you've done a lot of work with low income communities of color in Austin around a whole assortment of things: illegal dumping, access to green space, community solar and solar equity, green gentrification among among a bunch of other stuff. Can you talk about gentrification and how Austin has changed in the time you've been there and the tension that's emerged about Austin becoming one of the greenest but also increasingly one of the least affordable cities in the country? Dave Cortez  Yeah it's tough. People in Austin are largely still here to just party, have fun, make money. You know, they're really eager to do what they moved here for, you know, go do the cool thing and the restaurant, and the corporate soccer game and whatnot, you know, fine, whatever, I'm not trying to harp on people who want to have a good time, the problem is that there's no thread of the greater good of civil society, of trying to care for those in town that struggle and have the least. That doesn't exist here. It's just, it has lessened every year, it might be new people moving here might be more money here, and people being displaced. But you know, for the most part, with gentrification, the white wealthy middle class here is strong, you know, median family income is close to $90,000, you know, qualifying for affordable housing, you can make a ton of money and still qualify for affordable housing. And the people that move in, my brother calls them the new pilgrims. They're not super interested in learning what was there before, they're interested in what's around them now, and what might come in the future. And we do have a responsibility to make sure that we not just offer up but press on people at the doors, at community events, you know, cool, fun, s**t, barbecues and things like that, to learn what was there before they came, you know, sort of an onboarding into the neighborhood. And we did some of this in Montoplis, my old neighborhood that I lived in before I moved to South Austin, you know, people who I was like, "man, they're never going to help us," they're just, you know, part of that new white, middle class "new pilgrim." When I learned the history of the community, and the issues that were going on, I said, "Hell, yeah, whatever I can do," from, you know, cooking funding, speaking, writing letters, coming to meetings, you name it, you know, but we had to keep on 'em. And we had to give them a meaningful task. There is a lot of power, gentrification sucks. But I've really tried to work with myself on not being--automatically hating folks for just trying to move in into a home. But you do have to challenge folks on how they behave after they've moved in, you know, in Austin with our urban farming and desire for new urbanism and density and things like that, the culture of I know what's best is so thick, and it's really hard to stay patient. But I try to, even when I get mad and angry and frustrated, I try to remind people of what's called the Jemez Principles for Democratic Organizing, and the People's Institute for Survival and Beyond's Principles of Anti-Racism, encourage them to read them, and to do everything they can to just shut the F up, and go listen to the people that they're talking about in affected communities. And get a sense of where you might be able to build some common ground.John Fiege  I actually wanted to spend a minute on that because, you know, you started, or you were one of the organizers, who started environmental justice group in Austin years ago, and I went to a bunch of the meetings. And I feel like that's where, you know, we got to start hanging out a bunch for the first time. But you would always start the meetings with the Jemez Principles for Democratic Organizing. And, you know, those came out of this meeting hosted by the Southwest Network for Environmental and Economic Justice and Jemez, New Mexico back in the 90s. Can you talk more specifically about the principles and why they're important to the work you're doing?Dave Cortez  So when you're thinking about undoing racism, or being an antiracist or antiracism work, you know, you're acknowledging that you're confronting a built system, something that's built under a false construct, race, you know, and when you're going to combat that, there's, you know, there's a lot of issues to it or whatever, but the Jemez principles will help you see, how do you approach people and talk about it? You know, for example, listen, let people speak is one of the principles, you know, listen to the people on the ground. Don't barge in there don't don't come in with your your petition and your fancy stuff and, or be online and be a dick. You know, go try to introduce yourself and get to know people. You know, ask questions. That's okay. You know, people were very generous for the most part, whether they're Black or Brown or or Native or Asian, or you name it, you know? If you're able to ask questions and listen about an issue, people will likely talk, you know. Trying to work in solidarity and mutuality is another big one for me, you know, it's not just about like, "I'm here to help you," versus, "I'm here because our struggles are connected and intertwined. And for me and my family to be successful and get what we need, it depends on your family, and your people being successful and getting what you need. How can we work together to make sure that we everything we do reinforces that and that we lift each other up?" A lot of things that we see is very transactional in the advocacy and activism world, you know, sign this, and then we'll go do that for you, or will tell the person to do the thing and change? It's not so much how can what can we do to help you directly, like we talked about bills and taxes and things like that. But also, we have to know that, what is it we're gonna get out of it, it's not just this potential policy outcome. There's tremendous value in human relationships. And in culture and community building, you're going to learn about the people in your community, you're going to learn about the history, you're going to learn, you know, and make new friends and maybe some recipes, maybe, you know, some new music or something. It's limitless. You know, humans have tremendous potential in beauty. But we we rob ourselves of that by, you know, retreating into our silos in our, in our four walls. You know, Jemez can give something--these are short, short, little principles that can give people something to read and reflect on, they can be kind of abstract and theory based, but when you're advocating for change, and then you look at these and you ask yourself, "sm I doing this?" There's tremendous potential for learning, and changing how we do our work.John Fiege  And the Sierra Club is one of the oldest large-scale environmental groups in the world. And it's traditionally been a white organization. Its founder John Muir made racist remarks about Black and Indigenous people, and in 2020, the Sierra Club officially apologized for those remarks and the white supremacist roots of the organization. In Texas, with your work and your presence, I feel like you've really helped the Sierra Club evolve there, where you are, and you th

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On this spicy episode of Windows Weekly, Paul, Leo, and Richard try to pronounce "Sudo," watch an expensive Copilot ad, marvel at big Arm revenues, discuss the latest in internet browser news, and debate the FTC's motivations as they go after Microsoft once again! Windows 11 Big changes in Insider, with Canary and Dev moving to the same 24H2 builds Windows 11 is going to get its AI moment this year With the announcement of 24H2, does that mean nothing big mid-year as rumors suggested? Patch Tuesday arrives. Copilot moves to the right of the system tray after 10 seconds of testing Brave ships its browser on Arm in stable Windows will likely get an AI game upscaling feature AI/Antitrust Report: Azure is allegedly 2/3rds the size of AWS by revenue, thanks to AI Microsoft Bing and Edge avoid the EU DMA Google Gemini officially replaces Bard Grammarly lays off 230 to focus on AI Mozilla scales back dramatically, will focus on AI in Firefox Arc Sync comes to Arc on Mac only Cloud/server/dev Google One surpasses 100 million users. New AI tier is coming to take on Copilot Pro Arm revenues are in. Look at those margins! Notion acquires Skiff. Ladies and gentlemen, the Notion Office is coming .NET 9 Preview 1 arrives. Are annual updates too much? Xbox Xbox says it will come clean on its strategy The FTC claims that Xbox layoffs violate the terms of its Activision Blizzard acquisition promises Microsoft tells the court that the FTC is wrong on multiple levels There's a new Xbox system update Sony doesn't meet its quarterly PS5 sales target, will miss its annual target, and the PS5 is falling off a cliff Disney invests $1.5 billion in Epic Games. "F U, Apple!" Flight Simulator jumps the Minecraft Shark Tips and Picks Tip of the Week: Microsoft PC Manager - Avoid at all costs App Picks of the Week: DuckDuckGo browser, Apple TV+, Apple Music, Apple Devices for Windows RunAs Radio this week: Maximizing Metadata with Emily Manicini Brown liquor pick of the week: Starward Pedro Ximenez Cask Hosts: Leo Laporte, Paul Thurrott, and Richard Campbell Download or subscribe to this show at https://twit.tv/shows/windows-weekly Get episodes ad-free with Club TWiT at https://twit.tv/clubtwit Check out Paul's blog at thurrott.com The Windows Weekly theme music is courtesy of Carl Franklin. Sponsor: kolide.com/ww

On this spicy episode of Windows Weekly, Paul, Leo, and Richard try to pronounce "Sudo," watch an expensive Copilot ad, marvel at big Arm revenues, discuss the latest in internet browser news, and debate the FTC's motivations as they go after Microsoft once again! Windows 11 Big changes in Insider, with Canary and Dev moving to the same 24H2 builds Windows 11 is going to get its AI moment this year With the announcement of 24H2, does that mean nothing big mid-year as rumors suggested? Patch Tuesday arrives. Copilot moves to the right of the system tray after 10 seconds of testing Brave ships its browser on Arm in stable Windows will likely get an AI game upscaling feature AI/Antitrust Report: Azure is allegedly 2/3rds the size of AWS by revenue, thanks to AI Microsoft Bing and Edge avoid the EU DMA Google Gemini officially replaces Bard Grammarly lays off 230 to focus on AI Mozilla scales back dramatically, will focus on AI in Firefox Arc Sync comes to Arc on Mac only Cloud/server/dev Google One surpasses 100 million users. New AI tier is coming to take on Copilot Pro Arm revenues are in. Look at those margins! Notion acquires Skiff. Ladies and gentlemen, the Notion Office is coming .NET 9 Preview 1 arrives. Are annual updates too much? Xbox Xbox says it will come clean on its strategy The FTC claims that Xbox layoffs violate the terms of its Activision Blizzard acquisition promises Microsoft tells the court that the FTC is wrong on multiple levels There's a new Xbox system update Sony doesn't meet its quarterly PS5 sales target, will miss its annual target, and the PS5 is falling off a cliff Disney invests $1.5 billion in Epic Games. "F U, Apple!" Flight Simulator jumps the Minecraft Shark Tips and Picks Tip of the Week: Microsoft PC Manager - Avoid at all costs App Picks of the Week: DuckDuckGo browser, Apple TV+, Apple Music, Apple Devices for Windows RunAs Radio this week: Maximizing Metadata with Emily Manicini Brown liquor pick of the week: Starward Pedro Ximenez Cask Hosts: Leo Laporte, Paul Thurrott, and Richard Campbell Download or subscribe to this show at https://twit.tv/shows/windows-weekly Get episodes ad-free with Club TWiT at https://twit.tv/clubtwit Check out Paul's blog at thurrott.com The Windows Weekly theme music is courtesy of Carl Franklin. Sponsor: kolide.com/ww

On this spicy episode of Windows Weekly, Paul, Leo, and Richard try to pronounce "Sudo," watch an expensive Copilot ad, marvel at big Arm revenues, discuss the latest in internet browser news, and debate the FTC's motivations as they go after Microsoft once again! Windows 11 Big changes in Insider, with Canary and Dev moving to the same 24H2 builds Windows 11 is going to get its AI moment this year With the announcement of 24H2, does that mean nothing big mid-year as rumors suggested? Patch Tuesday arrives. Copilot moves to the right of the system tray after 10 seconds of testing Brave ships its browser on Arm in stable Windows will likely get an AI game upscaling feature AI/Antitrust Report: Azure is allegedly 2/3rds the size of AWS by revenue, thanks to AI Microsoft Bing and Edge avoid the EU DMA Google Gemini officially replaces Bard Grammarly lays off 230 to focus on AI Mozilla scales back dramatically, will focus on AI in Firefox Arc Sync comes to Arc on Mac only Cloud/server/dev Google One surpasses 100 million users. New AI tier is coming to take on Copilot Pro Arm revenues are in. Look at those margins! Notion acquires Skiff. Ladies and gentlemen, the Notion Office is coming .NET 9 Preview 1 arrives. Are annual updates too much? Xbox Xbox says it will come clean on its strategy The FTC claims that Xbox layoffs violate the terms of its Activision Blizzard acquisition promises Microsoft tells the court that the FTC is wrong on multiple levels There's a new Xbox system update Sony doesn't meet its quarterly PS5 sales target, will miss its annual target, and the PS5 is falling off a cliff Disney invests $1.5 billion in Epic Games. "F U, Apple!" Flight Simulator jumps the Minecraft Shark Tips and Picks Tip of the Week: Microsoft PC Manager - Avoid at all costs App Picks of the Week: DuckDuckGo browser, Apple TV+, Apple Music, Apple Devices for Windows RunAs Radio this week: Maximizing Metadata with Emily Manicini Brown liquor pick of the week: Starward Pedro Ximenez Cask Hosts: Leo Laporte, Paul Thurrott, and Richard Campbell Download or subscribe to this show at https://twit.tv/shows/windows-weekly Get episodes ad-free with Club TWiT at https://twit.tv/clubtwit Check out Paul's blog at thurrott.com The Windows Weekly theme music is courtesy of Carl Franklin. Sponsor: kolide.com/ww

On this spicy episode of Windows Weekly, Paul, Leo, and Richard try to pronounce "Sudo," watch an expensive Copilot ad, marvel at big Arm revenues, discuss the latest in internet browser news, and debate the FTC's motivations as they go after Microsoft once again! Windows 11 Big changes in Insider, with Canary and Dev moving to the same 24H2 builds Windows 11 is going to get its AI moment this year With the announcement of 24H2, does that mean nothing big mid-year as rumors suggested? Patch Tuesday arrives. Copilot moves to the right of the system tray after 10 seconds of testing Brave ships its browser on Arm in stable Windows will likely get an AI game upscaling feature AI/Antitrust Report: Azure is allegedly 2/3rds the size of AWS by revenue, thanks to AI Microsoft Bing and Edge avoid the EU DMA Google Gemini officially replaces Bard Grammarly lays off 230 to focus on AI Mozilla scales back dramatically, will focus on AI in Firefox Arc Sync comes to Arc on Mac only Cloud/server/dev Google One surpasses 100 million users. New AI tier is coming to take on Copilot Pro Arm revenues are in. Look at those margins! Notion acquires Skiff. Ladies and gentlemen, the Notion Office is coming .NET 9 Preview 1 arrives. Are annual updates too much? Xbox Xbox says it will come clean on its strategy The FTC claims that Xbox layoffs violate the terms of its Activision Blizzard acquisition promises Microsoft tells the court that the FTC is wrong on multiple levels There's a new Xbox system update Sony doesn't meet its quarterly PS5 sales target, will miss its annual target, and the PS5 is falling off a cliff Disney invests $1.5 billion in Epic Games. "F U, Apple!" Flight Simulator jumps the Minecraft Shark Tips and Picks Tip of the Week: Microsoft PC Manager - Avoid at all costs App Picks of the Week: DuckDuckGo browser, Apple TV+, Apple Music, Apple Devices for Windows RunAs Radio this week: Maximizing Metadata with Emily Manicini Brown liquor pick of the week: Starward Pedro Ximenez Cask Hosts: Leo Laporte, Paul Thurrott, and Richard Campbell Download or subscribe to this show at https://twit.tv/shows/windows-weekly Get episodes ad-free with Club TWiT at https://twit.tv/clubtwit Check out Paul's blog at thurrott.com The Windows Weekly theme music is courtesy of Carl Franklin. Sponsor: kolide.com/ww

On this spicy episode of Windows Weekly, Paul, Leo, and Richard try to pronounce "Sudo," watch an expensive Copilot ad, marvel at big Arm revenues, discuss the latest in internet browser news, and debate the FTC's motivations as they go after Microsoft once again! Windows 11 Big changes in Insider, with Canary and Dev moving to the same 24H2 builds Windows 11 is going to get its AI moment this year With the announcement of 24H2, does that mean nothing big mid-year as rumors suggested? Patch Tuesday arrives. Copilot moves to the right of the system tray after 10 seconds of testing Brave ships its browser on Arm in stable Windows will likely get an AI game upscaling feature AI/Antitrust Report: Azure is allegedly 2/3rds the size of AWS by revenue, thanks to AI Microsoft Bing and Edge avoid the EU DMA Google Gemini officially replaces Bard Grammarly lays off 230 to focus on AI Mozilla scales back dramatically, will focus on AI in Firefox Arc Sync comes to Arc on Mac only Cloud/server/dev Google One surpasses 100 million users. New AI tier is coming to take on Copilot Pro Arm revenues are in. Look at those margins! Notion acquires Skiff. Ladies and gentlemen, the Notion Office is coming .NET 9 Preview 1 arrives. Are annual updates too much? Xbox Xbox says it will come clean on its strategy The FTC claims that Xbox layoffs violate the terms of its Activision Blizzard acquisition promises Microsoft tells the court that the FTC is wrong on multiple levels There's a new Xbox system update Sony doesn't meet its quarterly PS5 sales target, will miss its annual target, and the PS5 is falling off a cliff Disney invests $1.5 billion in Epic Games. "F U, Apple!" Flight Simulator jumps the Minecraft Shark Tips and Picks Tip of the Week: Microsoft PC Manager - Avoid at all costs App Picks of the Week: DuckDuckGo browser, Apple TV+, Apple Music, Apple Devices for Windows RunAs Radio this week: Maximizing Metadata with Emily Manicini Brown liquor pick of the week: Starward Pedro Ximenez Cask Hosts: Leo Laporte, Paul Thurrott, and Richard Campbell Download or subscribe to this show at https://twit.tv/shows/windows-weekly Get episodes ad-free with Club TWiT at https://twit.tv/clubtwit Check out Paul's blog at thurrott.com The Windows Weekly theme music is courtesy of Carl Franklin. Sponsor: kolide.com/ww

On this spicy episode of Windows Weekly, Paul, Leo, and Richard try to pronounce "Sudo," watch an expensive Copilot ad, marvel at big Arm revenues, discuss the latest in internet browser news, and debate the FTC's motivations as they go after Microsoft once again! Windows 11 Big changes in Insider, with Canary and Dev moving to the same 24H2 builds Windows 11 is going to get its AI moment this year With the announcement of 24H2, does that mean nothing big mid-year as rumors suggested? Patch Tuesday arrives. Copilot moves to the right of the system tray after 10 seconds of testing Brave ships its browser on Arm in stable Windows will likely get an AI game upscaling feature AI/Antitrust Report: Azure is allegedly 2/3rds the size of AWS by revenue, thanks to AI Microsoft Bing and Edge avoid the EU DMA Google Gemini officially replaces Bard Grammarly lays off 230 to focus on AI Mozilla scales back dramatically, will focus on AI in Firefox Arc Sync comes to Arc on Mac only Cloud/server/dev Google One surpasses 100 million users. New AI tier is coming to take on Copilot Pro Arm revenues are in. Look at those margins! Notion acquires Skiff. Ladies and gentlemen, the Notion Office is coming .NET 9 Preview 1 arrives. Are annual updates too much? Xbox Xbox says it will come clean on its strategy The FTC claims that Xbox layoffs violate the terms of its Activision Blizzard acquisition promises Microsoft tells the court that the FTC is wrong on multiple levels There's a new Xbox system update Sony doesn't meet its quarterly PS5 sales target, will miss its annual target, and the PS5 is falling off a cliff Disney invests $1.5 billion in Epic Games. "F U, Apple!" Flight Simulator jumps the Minecraft Shark Tips and Picks Tip of the Week: Microsoft PC Manager - Avoid at all costs App Picks of the Week: DuckDuckGo browser, Apple TV+, Apple Music, Apple Devices for Windows RunAs Radio this week: Maximizing Metadata with Emily Manicini Brown liquor pick of the week: Starward Pedro Ximenez Cask Hosts: Leo Laporte, Paul Thurrott, and Richard Campbell Download or subscribe to this show at https://twit.tv/shows/windows-weekly Get episodes ad-free with Club TWiT at https://twit.tv/clubtwit Check out Paul's blog at thurrott.com The Windows Weekly theme music is courtesy of Carl Franklin. Sponsor: kolide.com/ww

*** VIDEO OF THIS EPISODE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=072-hKuktLw Back at Gebhards with a broken rib for the new year.  Ron the Waiter talks about the discovery of secret tunnels under the synagogue here in New York City.  Eagles suck go Bills!  Matt says F U to 2023.  Tomato from Sound of Urchin and his good skin talks nyc Marathon and the Polar Bear Club. They did kiss. Who had Stephen Hawking on their bingo card.  The stained mattresses says it all. That's why they invented hunting.  You're not giving everyone pink eye. *PLEASE CHECK OUT MY OTHER PODCAST "Comedy Quick Hits with Opie". Here's the latest episode https://omny.fm/shows/comedy-quick-hits-with-opie/comedyquick6 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Cash sits down with the iconic Robert Cromeans, Global Artistic Director of John Paul Mitchell Systems, salon owner, and celebrated platform artist. Robert discusses key trends in the salon business, emphasizing the significance of client frequency, salon culture, and the value of ‘F U' texts. He shares his perspective on the industry's evolution, the power of data, and creating an exceptional client experience. Guest Bio and Links: Robert Cromeans is the Global Artistic Director of John Paul Mitchell Systems and the visionary behind a successful salon in San Diego. Known for his flair, showmanship, and profound insights into the hairstyling industry, Robert is a celebrated figure globally. Listeners can learn more about at his website: https://robertcromeans.com/ or follow him on IG @robertcromeans Resources: Create a free student account and start learning from The Millionaire Hairstylist: www.MillionaireHairstylistPodcast.com The Secret To 4x Revenue From A Single Client Using The Power Of AI | Cash & Jordan  Show Notes:  [0:00] Welcome back! Jordan introduces our guest, Robert Cromeans to our listeners [1:00] If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a 5-star review to help more creative professionals discover the show [1:45] Question: What are some major shifts you have seen in the salon industry over the past year? And where do you think we're headed?  [4:55] “I suggest to people run with scissors till your heart stops. Meaning once you see too many people in a day, you stop loving them.” [5:35] Data and what smaller businesses should be measuring  [10:30] Strategies for increasing client rebooking rates [13:10] Question: How do you get your staff to establish authority and drive demand so that they can raise their prices, charge what they want to, and be as booked as they want to be?  [15:00] Why you should be sending ‘F U' texts after services  [19:00] The role of unique salon experiences in attracting clients [21:30] Question: What data points, KPIs, metrics, or numbers should people measure to take their business to the next level? [28:30] The power of branding and simplifying complex strategies  [34:00] Create a free student account and start learning from The Millionaire Hairstylist: www.MillionaireHairstylistPodcast.com [39:00] One of the biggest flaws in the industry  Connect with Us:   Instagram - The Millionaire Hairstylist - Cash Lawless - Jordan Drake Email - hello@themillionairehairstylist.com  

It's very often that trades people live paycheck to paycheck or believe they have more money than they do and make purchases they really shouldn't. Those boats, big trucks, and other toys always look so tempting and receiving that deposit check sure can bolster your bank account. That's not where you should be making decisions from though. Actually knowing your expenses, how much money you really have in an account and holding back some retained earnings can change your life and your company. Everyone needs an F U bank account to bring them peace of mind and to allow them to bid from a place of confidence and authority.Shane Hubenig has been a flooring installer for over 30 years in British Columbia. His father had a retail shop growing up and he spent time in the union. These days, Shane has his own company where he prefers to find high end residential remodel work. Along with a flooring company he has a couple of rentals and a multimillion dollar paint company with his brother. All of this has been funded by floors and money management.Tune in to this week's episode of the Floor Academy Podcast as Shane and I discuss why you need an F U bank account, some money management skills, and a little bit of patience.Check out our sponsorsJohns ManvilleThe International Surfaces EventKronus SoftCheck out our website and storeSupport the show

Back in studio with Davi Crimmins is actress, writer, director, and producer Leanna Adams and co-director, co-producer, and intimacy coordinator Kristina Arjona! Check out their new film 'Christmas with Jerks' streaming NOW on Amazon, AppleTV, Tubi, Vudu, and Freevee! Kristina shares the story of her triumphant win turned chauvinist nightmare entrance into the film industry. Shoutout to yet another women led business started by spite! If your boss got you playing dodgeball with a STAPLER, you might be in a toxic workplace! They'll discuss the extreme strength of having to lock up your feisty feminism in professional settings, our holiday Glimmers VS. Triggers, dog advent calendars, some special F-U(s) dedications, and lots and lots of manifesting! And the most pressing questions like ...  iS THiS TREE SKiRT HiGH FASHiON?     and WHEN DID GRATITUDE BECOME CHEUGY?? Christmas is coming...twice! Make the holidays about togetherness. As in naked cuddles. Because it's time to normalize female pleasure - on screen and in your bedroom! Wanna meet THE MAUDE? Get 15% off your very own MAUDE in the month of December with Promo code: ChristmaswithJerks www.getmaude.com Want to hear the *bonus* podcast episodes and unedited content?  SEARCH and SUBSCRIBE to : Davi The ScapeGOAT + Plus +  on the platform you listen to your favorite podcasts!  (OR) Join the fan club and email list! https://glow.fm/davithescapegoat/ Got questions, comments, drama, requests, or need advice? Hit us up :  https://www.davicrimmins.com/contact Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As Hollywood reels from a string of high-budget box office flops, Kevin Goetz, says, sure, contraction is coming. But, “every movie — if made and marketed for the right price — should make money,” says the CEO of Screen Engine/ASI, long considered a top expert on audience. Goetz joins to talk about recent changes he's seeing in theater-going, what's working (and not), and what films can learn from TV. Also: Sean McNulty, Peter Kiefer and Elaine Low talk Elon Musk's F-U; Bob Iger's flip-flop on Disney's linear TV assets; and Israel-Gaza and the worrisome WhatsApp wars of Hollywood. For more about the entertainment industry, subscribe to The Ankler at TheAnkler.com/subscribe. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Episode 268: - Review of the polls: - Who loves money more, men or women? - Is the world heading to Hell? - F U to GQ, magazine! - Are there normal people that come from normal families? - Are you an optimistic, pessimistic, or nihilism person? - Are you playing you're part in the greater good? QOTW: Can you trust your own brain? Ask The Sons: - Satin-Nette: What's the most elegant word in the English language to you? - Indigo-Streak: Which celebrity gives you “I made a bargain with my soul” vibes? - BlackberryJ: What makes life worth it for you? So Say The Sons:

Dan & Ian open up the metaphorical mailbag to answer some listener questions. They reveal cheat codes for bootstrappers and how to activate them, the top reasons people can't scale to 7+ figures, and the difference between F U money and Freedom Line money. All that and more, including a big announcement regarding Ian's car collection. Dan & Ian's Stuff: The Newsletter (https://tropicalmba.com/subscribe) “The DC” (https://dynamitecircle.com/join-dc/) DC Black (https://dynamitecircle.com/dc-black) Global events (https://dynamitecircle.com/events) Hire remote talent (https://remotefirstrecruiting.com/) Find a remote job (https://dynamitejobs.com/) Listen on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@OfficialTropicalMBA) Follow on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/tropicalmba/) @TropicalMBA (https://twitter.com/TropicalMBA) @AnythingIan (https://twitter.com/AnythingIan) Show notes: (00:01:08) Intro (00:02:42) The major ways people fail to scale their business beyond 6 figures (00:18:44) The Cheat code for entrepreneurs (00:30:22) What do you do with the F U money (00:39:09) How to get the most out of a business community (00:43:02) The community space has changed… sort of (00:46:48) What's next for our community (00:48:27) Power ups for entrepreneurs (00:52:31) Dan's definition of an entrepreneur (00:55:51) It always comes back to the entrepreneur-mobile Links: Before the Exit (- Before the Exit) Past guests on TMBA include Cal Newport, David Heinemeier Hannson, Seth Godin, Ricardo Semler, Noah Kagan, Rob Walling, Jay Clouse, Einar Vollset, Sam Dogan, Gino Wickam, James Clear, Jodie Cook, Mark Webster, Steph Smith, Taylor Pearson, Tommy Griffith, Justin Tan, Matt Gartland, Travis Jamison, Ayman Al-Abdullah, Tynan, Lucy Bella Simkins, Brian Balfour, Nick Huber, Dana Lindahl, Anthony Fasano, Adam Palmeter Additional episodes you might enjoy: 4 types of business coaches for 7+ figure founders and reflecting on our 15-year partnership (4 types of business coaches for 7+ figure founders and reflecting on our 15-year partnership) Dissecting the American Dream & Business Lessons from the Elon Musk Bio (Dissecting the American Dream & Business Lessons from the Elon Musk Bio) Brian Balfour's $33M Growth Insights: Product-Market Fit, Durability, & Knowing Your Natural Limits (Brian Balfour's $33M Growth Insights: Product-Market Fit, Durability, & Knowing Your Natural)

Take 73: Priscilla, The Killer, & Adam Driver's “F U”.

Rebecca OBrien took the bus to and from her cancer treatments and did the most logical next thing: She wrote a show about it, 'Getting There,' performed it in the Hollywood Fringe Festival, and won the top award for Best One Person Show. And that's how we say a big F U to cancer, people. Rebecca shares her journey - literally, it was a journey - and how it changed her perspective on the world and the fellow humans inhabiting it with her. She's equal parts hilarious and introspective and her story is what this show is all about: Finding the light in the darkness to prove there is good. Want more GOOD? Check out our new Patreon site for more of this here World Gone Good: https://www.patreon.com/WorldGoneGood

Giovanna “Gigi” Gonzaléz, financial educator, influencer, founder of The First Gen Mentor, and author of the upcoming book, Cultura & Cash, joins the Journey to Launch podcast to discuss how she quit her 10 year corporate career in financial services to pursue her true passion: teaching financial literacy to young adults. Giovanna teaches personal finance and career navigation at universities, companies, and on her TikTok account, @thefirstgenmentor. She was named Top 25 Creator by Fast Company, 40 under 40 by the Hispanic Alliance for Career Enhancement, and "Latinx to Watch" by Hispanic Executive Magazine. We also talk about Gigi's hysterectomy, why money played a big role in her recovery, her immigrant upbringing, setting financial boundaries with loved ones, and more. In this episode you'll learn more about: How Gigi went from paycheck-to-paycheck to personal finance educator, leader and viral social media influencer Why relocating to a different, lower cost of living city could be the secret ingredient to financial freedom The power of goal setting, dreaming big and knowing your why F-U funds, dealing with the inconsistency of entrepreneurship, giving yourself a timeline for success + more Other Links Mentioned in episode: Check out Gigi's book Cultura and Cash Get The Budget Bootcamp for FREE Pre-order my new book, Your Journey to Financial Freedom and get access to FIRE STARTER Course for FREE Check out my personal website here. Join The Weekly Newsletter List Leave me a voicemail– Leave me a question on the Journey To Launch voicemail and have it answered on the podcast! YNAB –  Start managing your money and budgeting so that you can reach your financial dreams. Sign up for a free 34 days trial of YNAB, my go-to budgeting app by using my referral link. What stage of the financial journey are you on? Are you working on financial stability or work flexibility? Find out with this free assessment and get a curated list of the 10 next best episodes for you to listen to depending on your stage. Check it out here! Connect with Gigi: Website: TheFirstGenMentor.com  Instagram:@GigiTheFirstGenMentor Connect with me: Instagram: @Journeytolaunch Twitter: @JourneyToLaunch Facebook: @Journey To Launch Join the Private Facebook Group Join the Waitlist for My FI Course Get The Free Jumpstart Guide Get The Budget Bootcamp for FREE

·      Happy Birthday to the Libras! Shoutout to the October Babies! ·      Hello October! ·      Renaissance, a Film by Beyonce' ·      Mariah Carey is defrosting already y'all ·      Change in seasons means order your fashion accessories ·      Libra energy themes you may notice ·      We've made it to October! What are your Q4 plans? ·      Make empowered decisions for yourself ·      Unevolved/ Shadow Libra personality traits ·      Dark Libra energy themes ·      Sexual Libra vibes ·      Shift from Super Full Moon in Aries to the New Moon in Libra ·      Are you sharing your Love and giving enough of yourself? ·      Be grounded in your energy and knowing who you are ·      Facing the Man in the Mirror…keep it real with yourself. ·      Letting go of expired relationships to make room for new Love ·      The power and confidence that comes with being decisive & assertive ·      Libra's shadow communication & how to check it ·      Speak up so you don't get your feelings hurt ·      Paying for the fantasies ·      What do you need to release (i.e. physically, emotionally, spiritually, etc.) ·      Pay attention to who & what you're looking at in the mirror ·      October is Breast Cancer Awareness Month ·      Maintain the expectation of receiving Healing ·      Perform a self-examination of your Breasts ·      We all need to hear reminders to check up on our Health ·      Express concern and let people know you care ·      If it's on your heart, initiate contact and communicate ·      Being Discreet vs Being Sneaky ·      The concern of insisting you keep your relationship Private ·      ***Affirmations Break for manifesting New Love! Join me! ·      Stop and Go toxic love themes…Petty break-ups to make-ups ·      Sit high and sit pretty…say No to Drama ·      Kim K's prime example of transmutation Pain into Profit ·      Dark Feminine energy is balancing the scales for themselves ·      It can always get better! Refine your entire Life! ·      If you want more, decide to stop accepting less ·      Stop hanging around people that don't like you for real. Go find your people. ·      Happy People ain't hating. Hating people ain't happy. ·      Maybe everybody ain't meant to Like you. It may have nothing to do with you. ·      Don't throw a relationship away because it's not feeding your Ego ·      Intentional self- destructive behavior ·      A big F-U to thieves and people that intentionally take from others ·      Be honest & give people the respect of an informed decision. ·      Thinking unpleasant thoughts Ages you quicker! Stop looking disgusted! ·      What are you doing and why are you doing? ·      How many times are you going to allow them to disappoint you? ·      Make decisions with your Heart in it. ·      Be mindful of your surroundings and be vigilant! Protect yourself! ·      Trigger Warning: I puked because my body is rejecting meat now ·      Add me on IG- @CheCheBabe @MyVirgoFriendPodcast @MyCoachCheChe o   Feature me as a guest on your podcast! Let's collaborate! o   If you want to submit your questions to me for advice or feedback, you're welcome to email me at askcherelle@myvirgofriend.com  or cheche@myvirgofriend.com 

Elle Russ knows firsthand the confusion and heartbreak of thyroid issues. With top experts failing her, she took matters into her own hands. Walk with her through a story of transformation into a thyroid expert, and tireless dedication to helping others find their path to wellness.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co . And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.In this episode you will learn about:How getting your thyroid health in check is key to feeling top-notch.Why do you need to test your thyroid hormone level?Understanding the impact of hormonal imbalances.Six essential thyroid tests to assess thyroid health.The importance of being proactive in checking your lab tests. Episode References/Links:Check out Elle Russ's websiteFree Thyroid Master ClassCheck out Elle's book: The Paleo Thyroid Solution: Stop Feeling Fat, Foggy, And Fatigued At The Hands Of Uninformed Doctors - Reclaim Your Health!Confident As Fu*k: How to ditch bad vibes, clean up your past, and cultivate confidence in order to make your dreams a reality by Mark SissonPrivate MD LabsDirectLabsThe Perfect Human Diet™ Documentary by C. J. HuntRecovering with T3: My Journey from Hypothyroidism to Good Health Using the T3 Thyroid Hormone by Paul RobinsonBeat Autoimmune: The 6 Keys to Reverse Your Condition and Reclaim Your Health by Palmer KippolaSeasmus Mullen's booksLindsay Moore episode 177 "The Red Flags of Your Health Provider"Thyroid Course - https://ultimatethyroidcourse.comGuest Bio:Elle Russ is a #1 bestselling author, world-renowned thyroid health expert, and master coach. She is the author of Confident As Fu*k and The Paleo Thyroid Solution – a book which has helped thousands of people around the world reclaim their health. Elle has written for Entrepreneur magazine and has been featured in Success, HuffPost, Mind Body Green, Prevention, and more. Elle offers online courses and free masterclasses at ElleRuss.com  If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.Get your 15% discount for Toe Sox – use coupon code LESLEY15Be It Till You See It Podcast SurveyBe in the know with all the workshops at OPCBe a part of Lesley's Pilates Mentorship Join us at our West Coast Summer Pop Up Tour - Aug. 8-20, 2023Join us at Agency Mini - Sept. 10-16, 2023Join us at our Cambodia Retreat - Oct. 8-13, 2023FREE Ditching Busy WebinarAmy Ledin - Episode 5: "How to take fast action against limiting beliefs" ResourcesWatch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!Lesley Logan websiteBe It Till You See It PodcastOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley LoganOnline Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTubeProfitable PilatesSocial MediaInstagramFacebookLinkedInEpisode Transcript:Elle Russ 0:00  So when someone comes to me, and they go, I'm hopeless, I've been struggling for 10-20 years, I need to adequately tell your audience this right now. There are only two reasons, one of two or both reasons why you are suffering or have suffered for a long time. Number one, you're dealing with an uninformed doctor that does not know how to test, assess, and treat you to help you. Number two, and this is harsh one, it's the worst one. You're uninformed. You don't know about your disease, and I didn't either. And that's why I suffered for two years in my life. And that's why you've suffered for 10 or 20. It can end quickly. You have to learn it.Lesley Logan 0:18  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.All right loves, I'm going to keep this intro short and quick because our episode is full of information to support you and your thyroid. I have Elle Russ back you guys loved her we got so much love from her Confident podcast and we had mentioned that she is an amazing thyroid expert, she has a book, she has of course, she has all these things and so today's a whole episode is to support you. If you have felt like you were unseen, unheard, when it comes to your thyroid, maybe you're on thyroid medication and you still don't feel optimal. So you're not crazy. You are not, you are absolutely somebody who is looking for information and unfortunately not all of your doctors are as informed, So, this episode is here to arm you with the tools you need, the evidence you might need to go into the doctor or provider that you have to support you on your journey and also all the free and amazing tools that Elle has, she's got a book, she's got a course, and she's got free tools and all that is at the end, so take a listen and let me know how this goes in your body and in your life. Tag the Be It pod and until next time, Be It Till You See It.All right be it babe, I'm so excited. We actually have a guest back. We had so much love we had so much love pour in for this woman that and at the end of the episode we are gotten into thyroid, we like, didn't have time to get to that. So we had to bring her back to talk about thyroid as I'm in hypothet, all the things she's the expert in it. So she's gonna use all the right words. But Elle Russ will you tell everyone who you are in case is their first time hearing your name on the show? And what you're rockin at?Elle Russ 2:19  Yeah, hey, so Well, I'm rocking out a couple of things, life in general. My name is Elle Ross and I am a number one best selling author. The first book I wrote is called the Paleo Thyroid Solution. And I've been coaching people all over the world for over a decade and solving thyroid issues. And I also have a really in depth course on it, a free masterclass, which we'll get into later. And then my second book is competent as F U. C. K. And so that's why you know, you swear, but whatever, just Yes. And so we talked about confidence and stuff last time, which is great. And something I know you are just such a firecracker inspiration on that side of things too, for people. And then I have more books and more courses coming out. It's like, you know, endless amounts of, you know, wonderful things. But that's how I got into it because I suffered and no one could help me and I live in Los Angeles and I went over two dozen endocrinologist and experts and nobody helped me, they misdiagnosed me and they steered me wrong. And so I had to become an on thyroid expert. By the way, I have a philosophy degree. Okay, so you're talking to someone here who hates math and science. If you ask me what 15% of 70 bucks is I'm like, I don't know, someone get a calculator. I don't like it. I was horrible at in school teachers would be like, Oh, you'll you'll be sweeping floors at a amusement park if you don't get math, science, right. And then I write a best selling book on science. So everyone can eff off from grade school on that one, all the teachers. But but but the truth is, is that you don't you don't need to be an MD and have organic chemistry salt problem solvability you know, abilities. And you don't have to, like take the you know, MCAT to be able to understand on a theoretical level how this works. This is actually quite easy. But it's confusing at first. And there's so much misinformation out there. So 200 million people in the world have this 2 million plus people 25 million. Yeah, well, it's gets worse. 25 million plus Americans have it. It used to be like 10 years ago, it was the number one prescription in America. Now the number one prescriptions in America are all based on autoimmune disorders, not a shocker. And so and 60% are undiagnosed. So it's like there's so many more people suffering. Now there's the other situation. And this might be some people listening, you're on thyroid hormone replacement, but you never felt great. And you will feel right, you can be hypothyroid on thyroid hormone replacement, it means that you are not on the correct amounts or dosages, etc. And I'm going to say one more thing here, which is this, I'll just go on or I don't want to lecture the whole time, but the thyroid which is your gland right here in your neck, if you're a man it's below your Adam's apple is a butterfly shaped gland and it is responsible for everything okay? It's the master gland for a reason. It's responsible for the production and regulation of all of your sex hormones. So, you're 30, hormones are off, and your doctor is like, oh, we need to give you progesterone, you have estrogen dominance, bla bla bla - check the fucking thyroid? Okay, that was my first symptom. I started bleeding all the time at age 30. I have perfect gynecological history in my own life and also in all the women in my life, like my family. Yeah. Okay. No one asked the question. Why is she bleeding every two weeks? At 30 years old? They gave me a birth control pill to patch the symptom of the thing they didn't find the root of. So you have to always check the thyroid. So not only production and regulation of all your sex hormones, which is everything right? Your heart rate high. Yeah, that's everything, your blood pressure and your body temperature. And so you know, these things are all very important, right? to regulate who we are. We're not too hot, not too cold. Or too hot, let's say right. You're hyperthyroid. But the predominant issue was hypothyroidism, Graves disease and or hyperthyroidism the overactive is less common, okay? And it's just, it disproportionately affects women, we're talking one in eight women in their lifetime will have a thyroid issue.Lesley Logan 6:02  This isn't safe to say, because I have had many people tell me, they're getting their thyroid removed. And I'm like, That can't be like, that's a big decision. I feel like that's a big decision to remove it.Elle Russ 6:14  You want to keep the gland if you can, so the times that it's okay, so here's the thing, the times that it is, and people with thyroid cancer would hate that I say this because people with thyroid cancer because they're always told, Oh, it's the best cancer to have. If you catch it, you just take off the gland, right? If it spreads too short, but you catch it soon enough. And they're always like, I'm tired of hearing that it's the best cancer but technically, it really is. So in the case of thyroid cancer, they just removed the gland, which, which then makes you hypothyroid. And now you have to go on thyroid hormone replacement. The other thing that they do, sometimes they'll remove half a thyroid. Yep. Okay, that's probably going to need some help, too. Yeah. All right. And then you also have a situation where people who had uncontrollable hyperthyroidism, okay, which can lead to heart attacks. And if it can't be controlled through meds, or diet or other things, eventually what they do is they go, you know, what, we have to basically blast your thyroid with radioactive iodine to kind of kill it, again, making you hypothyroid, much safer, okay. But now you are also in my world, now you're gonna have to be on thyroid hormone replacement for the rest of your life. And you have to be, so if you have your thyroid removed, and let's say you're on a so because it's the master gland in control of all of these things, all right? if you're on an Australian Island, and you don't have a thyroid gland, you don't have your medication, you're going to be the first one to die.Lesley Logan 7:28  This is so crazy. This is so because...Elle Russ 7:31  So what do you think life's gonna be like? if you have subpar, or you know, really bad levels of thyroid, it's a slow death. And that's what it feels like, it's accelerated glycation and aging, it's horrible. And then then you have all these things that happen. And Doctor is like, Oh, you got depression (...). And they're trying to patch this stuff. And so here's the thing, it's not just the master for these hormones and the hormone problem, and they do the wrong thing. Now you're depressed, they go, Well, it's not your thyroid, because we're not testing earaches, I don't know what's up. And then you go to the therapist, and they're gonna give you Prozac, it'll last for three months, and then it will work because you never got to the root of the problem. We have more receptors in our brain for the biologically active hormone than anywhere else, you can treat depression, I have been coaching for 10 years, when anyone starts to get better, because they're getting more levels of T three, the active hormone, they'll call me and be like, this should make you happy. And I'm like, yeah, it does. Because you cannot access happiness. When you are hypothyroid. Literally cannot, it does, you, it would mean nothing to say to someone like well try to think of a happy thought. You can't do it. So again, have you gone to a psych I've asked, I asked the head of a LA psychiatric hospital. Hey, dude, before you pit people on, you know, SSRIs and medication, do you check their thyroid? They don't.Lesley Logan 8:42  This is and this is I mean, this is definitely something like I for sure, in the States, it's like, oh, you have these symptoms, let's fix this problem. But they're not looking at the root of the problem and going higher up the chain. It's, it's kind of like, you know, when someone who wasn't able to class and the person was saying that their shoulder hurt and the in the front, and the yoga teacher said the problem is in the back and off and he's like, look, the problem that is causing the where the pain is, is not where the problem is, the pain is just like, Hello, you're not listened to me for a long time. And so now I'm down here, but the problem is further down the chain or up the chain and we tend to focus on No, My knee hurts I go the knee doctor, I'm bleeding too much. So I go to the gynecologist and we it's unfortunate that the medical world is so siloed because it would be nice if somebody knew it all.Elle Russ 9:31  Really you have to find like a DEA or a functional medicine doctor that takes insurance and if not, you have to go above and beyond and pay for it. If you go to your regular insurance Doctor down the street, you're looking for a prescription or surgery. They don't really have anything for you. They have 10 minutes. They're dictated by insurance companies. They practice medicine under the guise of saving money for everyone else and also the fear of getting sued. When you have your own practice as a doctor you don't operate that way. You don't, I mean, you you're like I don't I'm not beholden to anybody and I don't have to worry about like, right? So, um, so we know...Lesley Logan 10:03  Real quick, just in case anybody is like, do I, how do I know if I've had if I'm hypothyroid? Like what are just like signs symptoms? Elle Russ 10:09  Sure. So I'll give the test that you can take, you know, and also have a free thyroid masterclass which has all this stuff in there. Okay, so the main symptom, all right, like one of the main symptoms, there is that there's like a, there's like 30/40 that I listed my book and I had 30 of them, okay, like,(...) exactly. Real long list. But it would start with, you're exhausted and you have the inability to lose weight no matter what you do. Now, for the people that don't have the weight issue. It's going to be exhaustion, brain fog, and you will have issues like constipation, gut digestion, you will be freezing. What do I mean by this? Look, your hands and feet are always cool, you know, usually, right? Like, I'm not saying you need to have hot hands and feet, but even for the person that's always freezing all the time. And here's the thing. My hands and feet are cold right now. I'm not cold inside. If I took my temp, it's fine. You feel the chill. You're freezing all the time. So for example, when I was hypothyroid, my body never got above 96 frickin degrees. In the middle of summer I was wearing socks to bed I was freezing. 96 degrees. Were supposed to be 98.6 at in like three in the afternoon. Okay, the morning it's different. We're supposed to be maybe between 97.7 and 98.2. I was never above 96. So you're freezing all the time. And it's diagnostically you can tell you just (...). So you're freezing all the time, dry cracked skin, hair falling out, losing the outer eyebrows, curly hair, turning straight, just clumps of hair falling out. This is one of the biggest things everyone notices, horrible constipation that no amount of coffee colonics and laxatives will help you with. That's a horrible, frustrating symptom. I'm just going to tell you that right now. Because I did, I tried all those things and nothing. Meanwhile, you just keep getting fatter and fatter, more bloated and more bloated. And so the brain fog part is the only way I can describe it. And it's the easiest way to describe it. Everyone in the world has had a head cold, right? You know, when you're blowing? You're like, where's it all coming from? How is it all day long, right? That day, when you're just like staring in space. Nothing's fun. Nothing's interesting. Brain not working. No, you don't want to watch a movie. That's brain fog. Except you don't have the stuffiness and how horrible is that, everyone knows how that feels, even you know how that feels, Lesley. You've been there, that day, that moment, you're just like, brain dead, your, your frickin brain dead. That's like 24/7 The other thing too, is that it takes you like two three hours to get out of bed. You know, I mean, you have almost no cortisol because when you have no, your adrenals will ultimately fail. And because people go undiagnosed for so long, they get really bad. Usually people don't catch and fix it when they feel the cold, right? If you were able to catch it right there or on the first couple of symptoms are caught up and exhausted for, then great, but it goes on. And as it goes on. Your body's, like, this bitch needs energy. So the cortisol gets pumped out, you get fat around the middle, and now your adrenals are fatigued and you've got adrenal fatigue too. But the adrenals in order to produce cortisol need T three. Okay, so these things go hand in hand. Sometimes you have a doctor trying to treat the adrenal sore, and you're like, dude, let's get with the program here...(Lesley: and T three is the hormone that we're talking about, the thyroid hormone) it's just, it's the biologically active thyroid hormone. And I'm happy to get into the others because it's not something that you, it's not something you take necessarily directly, I do, but some people do a combination of T four and T three, but it's the act of hormone where T four is the storage hormone. It's the thing that it's like a slow release mechanism. It stores up and as you need it, it converts into the gasoline that you need. Right? So there are so many problems that can stem from this. Also infertility, miscarriages, so lots of people have had hysterectomy unnecessarily by the way, that's always a terrible call when the person is realized that they never needed to have a hysterectomy. And that is a Hashimoto success story in my course,Barbara. She had that happened her and she desperately had wanted kids back then she's now 57. She's over it. But these are hard days, man. My friend came home she had two miscarriages, she had an endocrinologist completely contesting the wrong test discounting her. She's getting fat, she's all these things are happening. And she's depressed. She's got two miscarriages and you know what? It was all a result of hypothyroidism. So if you can plan a pregnancy, you must, don't get like, don't head towards an unnecessary miscarriage you don't need to have. If you can't plan it, okay, then get on it right away. Because when you are pregnant, I have articles about this on my blog on my website, you've just typed in thyroid on the blog and the tunnel come up. But when you're pregnant, you now need more. Right? Because the demands of the fetus, you, everything else you might need more and more and more and then at the end you kind of taper off or you know, but you have to check it more often. So if you haven't checked your thyroid yet, you're having a great pregnancy you're probably fine. But you're probably also like, oh, no, my my OBG tested my thyroid and they're not doing it right. Because that's what I'm here to tell you. And they're not doing it right. So I'm this is one of the easiest quickest things to fix in life. Yet 99% of the doctors are uninformed. And they're steeped in 40 year old outdated protocols and taking tests that don't matter. And so, yeah, so that's where I started.Like, so if like, we know that, because I do, I help like, the listeners who've listened episodes before, like, I end up having to fly to LA to have my holistic doctor do my blood draw, because I tried twice to do it here. And like, they sent it in without spinning it and like it. Sorry, that's the job you do. Like that's literally your job. So sorry. It's like, like, you do two things. You draw the blood, you spare it. Two things of your job. Yeah. I don't understand. I could have like public figure to draw my own blood. I need the spinner. I could have learned in the amount of time that it took, right?Lesley Logan 15:45  So for sure, like I you know, it's, it is not, I experienced how inept people can be. If we are we're like, is this a test that we can get done ourselves? Like, can we order online?Elle Russ 15:59  Yes, you can depending on what state you're in. Okay, so some states don't allow you to test your own bloodwork. A lot of them are on the east coast, but you have to just check. So California, I can check my bloodwork anytime I want, you can go to privatemdlabs.com, you can go to directlabs.com. And they'll they always have like coupon code somewhere online. So just search for them because they often have a 15% off or something. And you could choose your own test that you want. But what I want to tell everyone, and again, this is all in the stuff that have for free on my website, but just if anyone's listening right now, whether you're on thyroid hormone right now, I need you to go back at some point after this, and you look at your labs, okay, and if your doctor never or doesn't currently, test what I'm about to tell you, unfortunately, you're dealing with an uninformed doctor. And you're gonna probably run into some issues if you're not already in the issues, or you're one of those people who keeps complaining to your doctor about depression. And then they're the Dum Dum that goes, Oh, well, yeah, you have a thyroid problem? No, because if you treated me right, and I was optimized, I wouldn't have the depression part of the problem, I wouldn't have any symptoms, zero, got it. So the whole point of getting optimized or treated on thyroid hormone replacement, by the way, you can do all this naturally, my book, The Paleo Thyroid Solution is all about him and fixes should first naturally if you can't, at least you've primed your body to receive the hormones that can be to metabolize properly. You know?Lesley Logan 17:12  I love this because it is I just want to highlight, you're saying this, because I do think a lot of like, Oh, I'm on, I'm on hyper thyroid medication. That's why I feel this way. It's like, well, actually, you're on hypo thyroid medication, because you need to be and you, you could be feeling like a person who's not on it, who has normal levels. That's what you're saying.Elle Russ 17:30  That is literally achievable for every single person who has any thyroid problem. That's amazing. They're all fixable, and they're all solvable. So when someone comes to me, and they go, I'm hopeless, I've been struggling for 10-20 years, I need to adequately tell your audience this right now. There are only two reasons, one of two or both reasons why you are suffering or have suffered for a long time. Number one, you're dealing with an uninformed doctor that does not know how to test, assess, and treat you to help you. Number two, and this is harsh one, it's the worst one. You're uninformed. You don't know about your disease, and I didn't either. And that's why I suffered for two years in my life. And that's why you've suffered for 10 or 20. It can end quickly. You have to learn it. I don't want to learn this shit live, or you can make it really goLesley Logan 18:19  Into philosophy. I wanted to talk about like why like why do people do what they do that way? Elle Russ 18:24  And I'm gonna became a copywriter. I was like, oh, no, like, I'm not a health person. I don't want to know, so you know what? I wouldn't be alive right now, if I didn't do this myself. Now, my story is that unfortunately, I had to doctor myself, actually didn't have a doctor to help me. I ordered my medication online from places like Cambodia. No, for real, like Thailand and other places. And I dosed myself. I actually did it myself. So I had and I had to do it twice in 10 years because I ran into a second thyroid problem, which probably in hindsight, makes it great because I'm one of only two authors or three people in the world really like to do this that have ever been had that problem and know how to treat it. It's called the reverse T three issue. So I had to hypothyroidism issues in 10 years and both times I was left in the dust yo, I remember I was in LA, I go to, I went to this doctor who literally is currently the doctor for every, so many famous celebrities. I can't even, I won't mention him. Crazy time celebrities that you all would be like, Oh my god. Well, of course I would go to so and so's doctor. Okay, that doctor. I was having the second problem. I learned what it is. I explained it, showed the evidence and I took off my clothes in front of her, now at this time I had gotten so fat again on thyroid hormone replacement, but so hypothetic. I had gotten so fat again, that my bra looked like something Playboy Bunny would wear where it's just like the tiny triangle on it. That's how fat I had gotten that like the bra, and I said, Look at me, like look at me, and I did it. And she literally this doctor I'm telling you about who's like famous has like, threw up her hands and she said, Oh, it's too complicated. What? And you know, it almost makes me want to cry because how and I said to her this and that this is what I did say to her, I was so pissed. I said, So medical school wasn't complicated. So doing organic chemistry, like problems on the MCAT, what, medical school, this is complicated, not even willing to go find search help, nothing.Lesley Logan 20:28  that's so inferior, I do want to cry for you like that's, we've had several episodes about advocating for yourself in the health care industry, because and the reason we're talking about this is like, you can have all the goals in the fucking world. You couldn't listen to ELS confidence episode, like, Yes, I got it. This is what I know I want but if your hormones are off, if your thyroid is not working optimally, it doesn't matter.Elle Russ 20:53  It doesn't and your brain is not right. And your emotions aren't right. And nothing's gonna be right. Yeah, can't you can't do life right. And so what happens is, is so and I have a chapter in my book, and even a module in my course about loved ones. This is what's really tough because of all the diagnosis because of the people not being mistreated. So even the ones that are hypo still on medication. You know, they've got a spouse who's like, this is not who I'm married. You know, you're you're a downer, you're a Debbie Downer party pooper, you got promises, you got adrenal issues, like sensitive delights, sounds and smells, you're overwhelmed. I mean, you have no energy, you have no zest for life, you've given up on half the shit you thought was kind of fun, and you wanted to go for in life, this is how it goes. Also, I want to mention one of the symptoms, you can have some cognitive decline that seems scary and something you don't want to voice. So I want to say it now, you will have the thought that you feel you're getting dumber, and it is a horrible feeling. Because technically you are, it's happening, you'll have handwriting that you can't, it's so messy, you'll have brain to hand dexterity. Normally, like I'm an athlete, I'm really coordinated. I was dropping water bumping into things constantly. Okay? Because again, we have more receptors in our brain than anywhere else, these things are all motor skills, all the things. So you know, it's a really scary thing. It's not just the depression, it's the forgetting words, it's the not being able to retain a paragraph after you've read it. Someone has said something to you, I just interviewed. Recently, I put out an extra module in my course with CJ Hunt. He's about seventy years old, but he's a filmmaker of The Perfect Human Diet and the book, and I helped him with his thyroid problem. And he describes it as like, you know, it's just so tough, because every year inside and you don't even you can't even like check an email. You just so overwhelmed. So you have this malaise where you know, you need to help yourself, but you're also kind of having problems and the people around you're like, you've gone to 500 doctors and you know, yeah, no, I, I had a friend this does turn me up. I have a friend who still really good friend now. But when they lived here, we were best friends. And they called me up after this all happened and everything got over it and figured it out. They called me up and they were crying, a guy. And he was like, Oh, I'm so sorry. Because I was so resenting you and mad at you that you were such a party pooper. He never wanted to go out. He didn't want to hang out and do stuff. And like all that shit. And I just like lost it. Because you know what, that's what it is for people. That's how it goes down. People around you don't understand. And you're trying to go into everyone, and then that's what happens. And then people lose their jobs, or they quit. I had someone who's a success story about books, she quit her jobs in accounting, she couldn't remember numbers anymore. You're gonna get fired. You know, a fellow author Paul Robinson, who wrote a book called recovering with T three, he also helped me save my own life. He to this day, he lost like 20 years of his life, he actually was given the wrong hormone the entire time. And he lost his family. He lost his job. He couldn't work. He was debilitated. And then he fixed it, of course, and it wrote a book. He's helping people, but it ruined the relationship with his sons and you can start to help to this day when he talks about it that it is so hard for him. Yeah, it's like it's a well, so it ruins lives. This shit ruins lives, because of all of these things. And I've coached lots of families. And sometimes if you're in this situation, you might need a friend to kind of like who is better brain to help you understand but the way that I explained everything in the course and in general my masterclasses, again if if you kept it on repeat, even with a hypo brain, you're gonna get it.Lesley Logan 24:20  Yeah. Well, It's so tough. And like, you know, when I have my stomach issues, like I, you get to the point where like, you can't have gluten, dairy, soy, alcohol, oils, all these things, you know, gosh, oh, my goodness, when they try them out of SIBO diet. I was like, Well, this is there's nothing fun. This is like even worse, what am I supposed to show up and eat? And you start to feel like you start to withdraw because you're like, I'm not the fun person. Nobody knows where to eat because I can't eat there. She can't eat here. We can't go here and it just becomes like, you just start to feel like well, I'm just not going to go out because I don't wanna be that person. And so then you don't know who you really are. You feel more and more alone and It is awful, if you if you're lucky to have a partner who's willing to like, go to the mattresses all the time, that's fine. But if you have kids, if you have a stressful job, if the partner that you have the best friends, you have other things going on, it's like this still and 20 years. That's a long time, I was very lucky that I found someone in seven years to help me with mine. But like, even then that's so much time that we can lose. And it's unfortunate because for whatever reason? Well, for many reasons, I think we're very all aware of the medical industry, especially in the states and my listeners who are in Australia and Canada and Europe. You know, you do you, let me know if I can get a passport.Elle Russ 25:38  But like, well, they actually have terrible thyroid care in England and other places. So it actually really it's like, yes, your healthcare is better.Lesley Logan 25:44  Yeah. So it's almost like the world is just like, not educated on what this is. And it's it sounds like the one place if they could go do that they could solve fertility, and they could solve depression. And not everybody guys don't don't come running at me. But like for a lot of people, we instead of putting band aids on things, we could actually create a solution for someone.Elle Russ 26:05  There's a I have x bribed for hours with the doctor and my course is a 30 hour course. Okay, I mean, this thing is, you know, like a semester in college and one of the modules is Palmer Kybella, who wrote a book called Beat Autoimmune, and she is about 55 years old or something like that right now. And she struggled for 20 years of her life, she got diagnosed with MS and 19. She felt like she was plugged into a light socket. 24 hours a day for like a year. Okay, horrible, horrible symptoms. She searched, she searched, dah, dah, dah, and got into some functional medicine stuff. She quit gluten. Within one week, her stomach issues went away. But then within a month, all of her MS Symptoms went away. She hasn't had one since. Okay, and they've even done brain scans on her where they you know, they could see like the scarring. And it actually, it's not even supposed to go away somewhere. Hers is even gone away. That's crazy. You can beat autoimmune. And you could beat thyroid autoimmune, which is Hashimotos. Absolutely. And part of that is diet. One of the things that we know with autoimmune diseases is gluten igniting antibodies, but particularly Hashimotos. But definitely the other ones too. So yes, we know it's possible to get to the root instead of putting someone I mean, you know, I know two people that have cured themselves rheumatoid arthritis through food. One of the most famous ones is Seamus Mullen, who wrote a book. He was a famous chef, and he is a famous chef in New York. He was on medications over 18 prescriptions for I interviewed him for like, God years, like, seven years or something like that, total, debilitated disaster, changes food changed his life, and he's on off all the medications and never and if you tested his blood, RA is gone. You test another friend of mine blood is also chef RA gone. But they both went to the doctor and the doctors go when they diagnose them and dealt with them all those years, those two people. The other one is Chef Courtney (...), they're both chefs. The doctor said, it is what it is, you're just gonna end up in a wheelchair. And one of them was in a wheelchair like they that's it. And I remember my friend going well, would you can you just test it? They're like, No, no, it's going to be positive, you have rheumatoid arthritis.Lesley Logan 28:11  That's not what's been fortunate. And this is where the advocacy for yourself comes in. And that's why I'm so excited that you have this course. Elle Russ 28:17  That's why patients write books, because our test is our testimony. Lesley Logan 28:20  Yes. And you have your book, but also like, so I hope this inspires people. And also, like, when we had Lindsay on, y'all can listen, we'll put the episode in the show notes about advocating for yourself, because she gives you tips on how to know, if you have the right doctor, like, your doctor should be doing the best they can. And that best might not be good enough for you. But they should also be willing to help you have another solution, whether it might be for them. And if they are not doing that you have to advocate and say thank you, I see that I've gone as far as I can with you, where else do you recommend that I go? Or if they're not going to give you that then you have to be your own advocate, you have to do the research to figure out who are the doctors that do this because, and I know this can sound really privileged. And all those things. It fucking sucks how much it would cost to be a healthy, healthy and air quotes person to be an optimally moving person, it should not be privileged to have health in this world, but you do have to do these things because it is your life. And as far as we know, we only get one time on this limit. Some people might say this is your third or fourth time but just valleys for right now. You know you I would hate for you to go 20 years failing in some way. Because those are yours you don't get back, you just don't.Elle Russ 29:30  And I'm gonna add to that because there's another thing on the advocacy, which is if you learn and you become knowledgeable about what you got going on, you might be able to make a doctor who's an uninformed one, practice medicine with you. This happens with all of my clients, they have tough doctors. I'll then be like, Look, I'll talk to him. I've had doctors call me and be like, I don't understand this and I'm like, You know what? Thank you for not being ego ridden and thinking maybe I might learn something from someone who's not an MD, right? So I love those doctors because they're willing to learn. But a lot of them is because they're gone back and then they're pushing. They're like, Hey, this is what I learned dah dah dah. And then the doctor is kind of like, I don't know, I guess it can hurt and they try it. So you have to be forceful, but there are certain times when you have to go, you're, you know, You're terrible. I'm out of here. But you know, listen, I mean, I've I've gotten into some pretty intense conversations with some doctors over the years. And one of them I was able to convince them she was the most indoctrinated, but I think it was just my persistence. And my probably confident, demanding, like, did it ah, that made her and she was scared because I caught her in something she didn't know. And so and I just want to tell the story. This is great. By the way, when I tell the story, you don't need to know anything about what the tests I'm mentioning mean, okay, you'll get the story. I asked a doctor, I was with a patient who worked for our company who didn't speak English very well. I knew she had a reverse T three problem. I sensed it. I just knew it. I'd go to the doctor with her. The endocrinologist was, didn't look at her didn't ask any questions how she was feeling. I said, Hey, I got a request for you. Can you please test this patient's reverse T three test. And the doctor said, we don't do that. That's old school. And I said, what's really interesting, because I just got over reverse T three problem myself. So it's pretty new school to me. All I'm asking you is to take a test. She said, Well fine, but I don't know how to evaluate it. And I said, Did you just patronize me for asking you about a test that you're now telling me you know nothing about? That's how this goes down. Lesley, you want the patient's bawling her eyes out? And she's like, Well, fine, I'll test it. Can you believe it took all of that for me to, you know, that is that's me calling him God, Lesley do not see the new Star Wars movie and you go I was bad. And I go I haven't seen it yet (...) You see how like you don't even know anything about the test? She goes, No, that's old school completely discounted because she's got too much ego to admit she might not know something. Okay? And then when I push her, she's like, Well, fine, but I don't know about it. Why? What are you? Yeah, I mean, by the way, by the way, the patient had a serious reverse T three problem, guys. And I could have bet a million bucks on it. Lesley Logan 32:14  Yeah, you know, this is where like, it used to be, it's still supposed to be called practicing medicine. And as Pilates instructor, we don't do perfect Pilates, we practice Pilates. And so like that, to me means that like, the doctors and affirming doctors who are listening doesn't mean I expect perfection. What I expect is that you are willing to practice and continue to learn because there's new information out all the time, we find out that things that we believed, decades ago that something is wrong. And so I don't believe and this is why my friend isn't, teaches people that patient advocacy. She also speaks to doctors and she says you are providers. Let's just change your name your providers and they're q1121112q1qqwq clients. And when our client, you have empowerment, you have choice, you have agency, and then you can work together in collaboration with the provider. And so as a provider, if you don't know an answer, it is actually to me, and I think too many people listening to go you know what, I don't know that. Let me do some research. Let me get back to you. Let me look into this. That is better than going you don't need that. And then to find out you don't actually even know how to evaluate it. That's like, you know, and that's not everybody, but that in that situation that you're talking about. It's an infuriating story that I think too many people probably can know someone or it happened to them. And it's either wayElle Russ 33:36  Yes, or because they don't know how to do their job and they're like your thyroid looks fine. I had a doctor do this to me. And by the way, the thing that I'm about to say has come out of people's mouths all over the world. This has been just workout more and eat less. I had a doctor tap my gym shoes and go just use these more. I said mofo I'm working out two hours a day, I went hiking for an hour every morning. By the way, shouldn't have been doing all that. Okay, shouldn't have. Now I know I'd be like, Oh man, dial it back, don't do anything get tested, right, do the things but I was trying to get ahead of this weekend, which by the way, none of that working out work. Two hours a day, like 1200 calories. I was doing all the stuff I went swimming, hiking and to the gym every freaking day. And I kept getting weight. And so to accuse me of not working out. But again, this is what happens and like (...) success story as well. She tall skinny, wrong endocrinologist the miscarriages, she starts getting fat and they're like, you just need to eat less. She's like I'm training for a marathon. I know what I'm doing. I've been tall and skinny my whole life like what do you talk..? So it's again, it's coming from an uninformed doctor who's like, well, I'm looking at labs in a way that is so outdated. So I'm saying you're fine. Meanwhile, you're telling me that you have hypo symptoms. Now it's the smart doctor that goes why does this keep happening? Like my doctor and the doctor on my book and in the course Dr. Foresman, who did say hey, there was a day when I screwed up people probably because we didn't know better and then you have clients keep coming in. They're complaining that they're not well and they're still on thyroid and he goes home Hmm, just like you said, He's curious. Still, he's still geeking out like doctors used to in medical school trying to figure out a problem. And he's like, right. But when you have 10 minutes with someone, and you're in a factory thing with an insurance company, you don't have the time for that. Now I did go to my, I have insurance, and I went to my local uninformed doc. You need to go in there. And yeah, here's the Pap smear. Here's the thing. Here's the mammogram, all that stuff. And I went into her with a list of tests from my functional medicine doctor, and I said, Hey, look, I don't want to offend you, I just want to let you know, I wrote a book about informed doctors. Like, here it is, gave her the book. And I said, Listen, I work with a functional medicine doctor that doesn't take insurance. Can I give you this list of tests? And would you mind taking it? You know, yeah. Now this is what I appreciate. She looked over the list for a few minutes. And she said, I'm happy to get these tests. And I just don't know what some of them are. But I'm happy to get them tested. Okay. That's a start admitting but here's the problem, Lesley. I would bet you a million dollars right now she did not after work, go and go, What are these lists of tests that some other MD is telling me to get that I don't know what they are? I went to medical school. Maybe I should look into that. I guarantee she didn't. I guarantee, I bet money on it. I know she didn't. Yeah. And that's the thing, right? Because she didn't have time either. Well, so when she's like, all fine, but she's not trying to investigate. Lesley Logan 36:19  And that's just it. Like, that's everybody. The problem is that we're all so busy, because we don't have time. And that and we treat people like they are in the factory, we treat the doctors like they can just like they could see that many patients like I don't even know how they I don't know how they could do that I would. So the people who've listened for a long time know that I still have yet to find an actual primary care doctor in Vegas. I'm just working with my amazing doctor out of California. And I do have a female doctor here that I actually like, who likes to learn and likes to teach. And she's the only person who could find my IUD, which had like, moved its way to the right side flipped upside down. Like she's the only pro it took me two years to get someone to fight to find it. So it was insane. It was I was like, look, it's in there.You're like I'm telling you, I can feel it.So it's in there. So anyways, I do appreciate her a lot. But when I went to primary care doctor, and I knew what tests I wanted to take, because I talked to my listing doctor. And so I was like, why wouldn't I have this primary care doctor call them in? Because they'll go through my insurance, right? The thing I pay so much money for. And she literally poo pooed every test I wanted. Every single test I said I want my hormones check, oh, those change all day long. I want it depends on the day of your cycle. I'm like, I still want them check. I want this checked. Oh, did it look fine. All these things. And I'm like, do you, like, are you paying for this? Or do I not understand who pays the bill here? And she was just like, well, I can order them. But they're not going to tell us anything. Well, guess what I posted doctor ordered them because she can. She's an MD. (...). They told me exactly what I was already feeling. They told me why I was feeling down and depressed. They found, they told me exactly why I felt like I was losing strength. And my holistic doctor was able to, thank goodness she an MD, to prescribe the peptides that I need to take. And we have to watch two numbers and to see how those change in the next three months beyond this stuff. And hopefully, they get better on their own. And if not, then we'll go do those things. But like, it's a little chicken, the egg thing there. However, it's just a little unfortunate that like, unfortunately, some people are just not going to listen to you and you just have to go okay, this is not the right doctor for me. She's just not you know, it's it's never gonna work. I'm never gonna trust her. And so I have to find a news writer. Elle Russ 38:33  Yeah, yeah. Or you have the insurance one and you run stuff through them and deal with someone else. You know, I mean, there's there's also, there's some really great doctors that do take insurance. But yeah, so listen, everyone just right here. I know, I didn't mention the list of tests. I just want to rattle off the six tests that everybody you know, you can go back and go, and I bet you they're going to be missing one or two. I'm gonna guarantee that right now. Alright, so here there are there are six tests. Two of them are antibody tests. So you know what if you've already ruled out that you don't have Hashimotos, then you don't need to take the extra two. But if you've never gotten tested for Hashimoto, you want to rule it out, because there are some other modalities and things you can do with Hashimotos that you wouldn't apply to someone like me who does not have Hashimotos. I just have hypothyroidism. I don't have the autoimmune form of hypothyroidism. So, TSH, free T three, free T four, reverse T three, that's the main four. Now that's due I have a thyroid problem however, you want to get two antibodies checked if you've never gotten them check. Now, some doctors if you say only to test my Hashimotos antibodies, they don't know that there's two of them they only test one you could be positive for one or not the other or both. So you gotta get both. The first one is called T P O antibody that stands for thyroid peroxidase antibody and the second one is tg antibody and that stands for thyroid globulin antibody okay. So TSH, free T three, free T four, reverse T three, the TPO antibody and the TG antibody that is, do I have a thyroid rpoblem? If you think you're hypo thyroid, okay, do I have a thyroid problem? Start there. Now, would I add other things like yeah, you're gonna get should probably get an iron panel. If you've been feeling hypo for a while, like, you can also take five days of basal and afternoon temperatures and not spend a dime, you can diagnostic diagnostically assess a thyroid problem from temperature. So what does that mean? That means you can look it up. But basically you have to when you do basal, you lay down, you don't even get up to pee in the morning, you don't sit up in bed, you reach over and you put the thermometer in your mouth. That's your basal temperature. Right when you wake up. So again, that's like you have to plan for that it because you're so used to get up and go to the bathroom or something, you know what I mean? So you just have to lay down, it's okay that you're on your covers, just reach over that your basal. That should be between 97.7 and about 98.2. Yeah, okay. Now, if you're hypothyroid, it's going to be lower than 97.7. If you were hyperthyroid, it would be like 98.2 or three, it would be really top over or be overkill.Lesley Logan 41:04   I think this is just fun just to do.Elle Russ 41:09   Yeah, and then, I'm talking about a schedule for people that normally would wake up between six and eight. So then, at that point, you would do a 330 ish, three 330, afternoon temp, this is when you're just sitting around, okay, so you have to figure out when this is but like when you just sit around, you didn't take a hot shower, you didn't eat you didn't rip up a flight of slabs or a smoke bomb hit like, okay, like whatever the don't do stuff just hang out. You can drink some water or whatever. But like for the most part, don't you just been doing nothing for 30 minutes, you're just sitting up? That's when you also take your time. It should be 98.6. If it's 98.4. Are you in a crisis? No, no. Okay, there's some fluctuations, hurray, 98, you know, but that's what you should be. Some people will never get above 98 Or even above 97 in the afternoon. So you could do like three, five days of this and go, now you still need to get the test. Because if you don't get the test, we won't know how to treat it in the right way. I guarantee out of the list that I just told you guys, your doctor said probably not tested reverse T three is the one that most doctors really don't know about. And it's one of the most critical tests. The other thing too is you will give this list. This happens all the time. And this is an advocacy thing. You will give the list to your doctor and go hey, do you mind like you heard my thing and you write down all the tests and you go, Hey, can you test these for me? And they go Sure. You go into the lab and then you see the results? And you're like where's this where's that? And they didn't test that instead of testing free T three they tested total T three or T three uptake instead of and they didn't just test the reverse T three in your life. But I asked them and they said, here's what happens guys. They, if they disagree with your list, they don't call you to tell you they disagree with you. They just go, You're a Dum Dum non doctor and I'm gonna do what I want. I don't think they need them. They don't, if I asked you, Lesley Hey, can you give me that favor? And you said yes. And then you didn't do it? And I go, why and you go I just disagreed with it. I go, Well, it would have been nice if you told me that. Yeah, before I expected you to do the thing. So you cannot trust that they even, so what do you do? You ask the phlebotomist, Hi, are these tests on this list? And if not, I just need to know, I don't want you to, I don't even put the rubber band around my arm. You know how many people have called me crying, is horrible. Cuz it's like gaslighting, Lesley. Yeah. Because you're like I asked them. They said yes. And then they didn't. Because just like that endocrinologist, they're like, they don't even know reverse T three. What do they know? And so this is something you have to do, because now you've got to go back in and get tested again. And who wants to have a needle in their arm ever? Lesley Logan 43:30  Like, it's such a hassle. Like, it's just such a hassle. Even if you have to be fast it's even worse. If you have to get there. It's because I'm like, Okay, I'll just get their first appointment. And then you're (...)Elle Russ 43:40  Your whole your whole morning screwed, like, the whole thing, right? So that happens all the time. So please check that list. Because I guarantee you, they're gonna go, yeah, like, laugh at you about it. This happens, by the way, with everything. Let's say you're starting to date someone you're like, Alright, we're gonna start to do this, and we're talking about it. And maybe we're gonna get sexy together. And let's get tested and make sure everything's cool. And you call your doctor and you're like, hey, I need an STD pouch, or like, I want an STDs test. Like, if you ask them for a list of tests, you're like, oh, here, I want all these tests. They'll just test like two of them. They go, Oh, you don't need HPV for that because or you don't need this for that like for herpes because if you've never had it, then it's not like that. You're like what? Like, they just don't. And that has happened to people that I know who've gone in there and they're like, I just wanted to like, get a simple, my doctor said it was fine. They go in there and only took like 2 of the 10 that was requested because they, that is so crazy making to me if that happened in my everyday life. I would not talk to people, continue to talk to people who operate it like this. Yeah, it's lying to you. And it's gaslighting and it's also just so that's a real painful thing too. And now you are a couple of weeks behind on getting better because (...)Lesley Logan 43:40  I remember I was crying in the kitchen when I found out that they didn't spin the blood, I was like just crying and then I, so that I went to different locations, the same company, because that's the company that's in town to different location, because that's like, well, obviously that locations no one's doing. The second location was like, Oh, we don't do the kits, because I brought a kit that you have to ship, brought the kit and like we don't do the kits on Fridays. I'm like, it doesn't say that on your website. I'm so sorry. Like, it doesn't say they do it. They better have done it. I said, Well, I said, I said, I'm here because you already have screwed up before. So I'm here. I said, Well, I was going to tell you that we could do it, but you have to ship it yourself. And I said, Okay, sure. I'm like, Well, okay, we can figure that out. But like, will you spin the blood? And she said, Oh, well if you want it spun, I will literally took everything in me. I've swear to God, it's 7am I haven't fucking eaten anything. Right? I haven't eaten since the night before. I love breakfast. I love my coffee. I love my ag one. I love it all. She goes if you want us to spin it, and it'd be another hour and I was like, I seriously you. I cannot tell you. You all terror like I'm done. I'm done with life. I'm so dumb. I like I'm believing. I'm like you are incompetent. And I hope I never have to come to this place ever again. Because I can not trust any work that you do. And I said it loud enough. I'm like, I'm sure I sound crazy. These people on the waiting room. But like they need to know that this place doesn't know what it's doing. And so I flew, I use points, everyone I use points to fly to LA, use points to get a hotel, booked myself stay, a nightmare total for blood tests. I mean, I mean, like, you know, so I'm sure I'm sure my Vegas listeners but like, let's just go to this person, please send me your favorite doctors, I will happily go to them. It's I'm sure there's other great places. But like, I'm a little shocked. And also not. And I and I and I don't want to be a Debbie Downer on all of the doctors who may listen. Hi, thank you for listening. But I do hope that every single person is like, let's, what if we were all curious. I'm curious on my Pilates practice. I'm curious about learning. I'm sure. I'm also sure doctors want to be curious. And also they're fucking tired. So I feel like it's there's a there's a problem from the top of squeezing all of us. And and unfortunately, the people who lose are the clients, are the patients. And that's, you know, so I feel more badly for the clients in this case, but I do understand that like it is a issue that we all are dealing with. And in some ways, some people are doing better. And I'm so grateful for you Elle, so you have you actually have an amazing course that you mentioned.I do want to quickly tell everyone that I had done plies many years ago, then you interviewed me and I got so inspired to do Pilates. And I manifested the most awesome situation. I had done Pilates near me and I knew what was available. So I was like, alright, well, I'll go check back into those places again, and see if I want to go back to same place or whatever. Turns out a new Pilates studio had just opened seven weeks prior. It's in the perfect location. It's the exact kind of thing I want. Their pricing payment structure was like so great, not some bullshit that they replaced it and all this stuff. So I started doing it like you know, a couple of weeks out I reached out to and I was like, oh my god, I love it so much. I can't even stand it. Oh my god, wait to have one of those machines. It is so much fun. So I am, thank you for inspiring me, really inspiring me. And then when I looked for it, and then very shortly after that their monthly unlimited. She's like, hey, Valentine's Day special, like 60% off our monthly unlimited. I was like, Oh yeah, we're doing that. So I did. Like I'm just gonna do it for now for a while and just here it goes but so so much fun. And I I love it. So thank you.Elle Russ 47:28  Oh, you like my pleasure. I'm on a mission for more wise do Pilates. So that makes me so happy. And I love to do it in person and it's close like, and that you're going as often as you are because that's like, that's where you fill out the good stuff. I mean, just Yeah. Yesterday, I was like in a bad mood because I couldn't get on my session with my teacher. And I and I that was not that was technology's fault. So I went and did my own session and I had so much fun and I felt a much better mood afterwards. I was like, This is why Pilates exists. So you can just feel better when you're done.Absolutely. Yeah, I love it so much. It's so good and especially you know, like I'm in my late 40s, like this is yeah, yeah, you don't take care of this stuff. Now the flexibility and all the different stuff like it's a forced way to get the stretching the core that everything is you know, it's just anyway it feels so good. I say thank you so much. But yes, I do want to do is I have everyone can get 15% off of my thyroid course if you really need to dive into this by using the code Lesley at checkout just Lesley's first name the way she spells it. L E S L E Y. Yeah, that'll get you 15% off, you can go to the, you can just go to ultimatethyroidcourse.com and check that out. Now here's the thing when you go to ultimatethyroidcourse.com There is juicy stuff on that page that might help you solve your problem without even taking my course guys. Okay, like not kidding. There are some testimonials or doctor clips there's there's some things that might spawned something for you to go. You never know I've had people hear interviews with me and be like I heard you I went did this did that fixed it. Thank you. I'm like great. (...) everyone wants to sell books and stuff and products, but we're, and I know you if there was someone struggling, you would help them recover with Pilates probably out of the kindness of your heart because whatever, right you just want, like, I just want people to be better. Yeah. So, so yeah, so that was, anyway, you can just go down the page all the testimonials, audio clips, etc. Then I also have a free thyroid masterclass, as well, I still want to go to the ultimate thyroid course page because there's great, you know, audio clips on there. But you can just go to freethyroidmasterclass.com. And that is a two hour video of me explaining the thyroid, all the hormones, everything, all this stuff. And it involves a free thyroid guide that also includes

MONDAY KETCHUP: Weekend top fives with wind-powered cargo ships, AI and Palantir's F-U share class, Musk's unregulated spaces, FERC's grid moves, Royal Caribbean smog, and Jessie says "gender matters"

MONDAY KETCHUP: Weekend top fives with wind-powered cargo ships, AI and Palantir's F-U share class, Musk's unregulated spaces, FERC's grid moves, Royal Caribbean smog, and Jessie says "gender matters"

Jason Smith and Mike Harmon update on everything going on in baseball. Saquon Barkley suggests he could say F U to the New York Giants if they don't pay him. And Bryce Harper has one the strangest at-bats you'll ever see!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Live from the THROBING heart of AMERICA—I'm Steve Gruber—fighting for you from the Foxhole of Freedom—and pushing back on the STORM of lies from the left, the right and the Uniparty—it is time for the fearless pursuit of the truth and nothing but the truth—so help me God! This is the Steve Gruber Show—   And here are 3 Big Things you need to know—to start this hour—   Number One— Another Democrat is abandoning the party and joining the Republicans—Mesha Mainer a mom and a black mom at that—is sick and tired of getting attacked for supporting schools of choice and a chance for her kids—   Number Two— President Zellenskyy of Ukraine is mad as hell at Joe Biden for dismissing the idea of his country joining NATO—and it makes me think—he knows where the bodies are buried—Look out Hunter—   Number Three— Time for a reality check—and we need to do that on a whole host of issues—because far too many people are trying to feed you their narrative and want you to believe what it is they are selling—and furthermore—they are trying to convince you every single day that of the 8 billion people on the planet they are the only ones that have it figured out—   And lets be honest—the only person that has it figured out quite clearly is me—   Ok, I am not being serious—but I am serious about digging through lots of comments and stories—to try to pull out what is most likely true—and expose those that are not being honest—or have ulterior motives or are flat out getting paid—   Some of the people you are going to hear from today are among the usual suspects—those lining their pockets at your expense and the expense of the rest of the world—they try to pass off their greed and arrogance as being “whats good for you” BUT you know damned well that is not the case—   Others voices I will share—are just in it for the power, the fame, the glory—and more than anything the credit for whatever it is they want the credit for—   This is all human nature of course—and of course—NOT all human nature is good—in fact I could easily argue that much of what we see from people is anything but good—   Now we began this week exposing the dishonest media outlets like Rolling Stone, The Washington Post and CNN among others for blatantly dishonest reporting about the new anti- human trafficking film The Sound of Freedom—and it still makes me angry that anyone would stand up against ending the exploitation of children as sex slaves— and slamming a real life American Hero Timothy Ballard for putting his life on the line in the jungles of south America—so save kids trapped in sexual slavery—   But that is just one example—   Another person that has drawn the ire—the vitriol and the flat out hatred of the left is a man named Andrew Tate—Now I am not sure what his crime is—except that he is a champion mixed martial arts fighter—and a guy who embraces masculinity—and laughs off the left because he has F-U money as he calls it—and doesn't care one little bit if they try to shut him up—   He is not very interested in sitting down and shutting up it seems—and for that he is smeared with all kinds of labels and unflattering names—and for that—I figured I had better listen to what he had to say this week—   Tucker Carlson—really isn't very good at this whole sit down, shut up and do what you're told either—and I am guessing he has a whole pile of that F-U money too—because he is giving Fox News the middle finger in spades when it comes to being told he is not allowed to be on Twitter—   How about another reality check—this time—from the other side of the looking glass—where reality is upside down and backwards—where logic doesn't have a home—and facts just don't matter—but power and money are the only things that are important—   And speaking of reality—it seems the reality in Washington should be easy enough to figure out—just ask the right people the right questions—and they can let you know what is going on and why—well here is a reality check for you—when it comes to transparency in government—   Another reality is that Donald Trump is running away right now with the Republican nominating process for President—and every other candidate in the field wants a piece of that action—   So far—he seems to be immune to such attacks—that is a fact—but what about this?   The reality of The West Wing of the White House—is that nobody believes Joe Biden is actually running things over there—in fact every time he is seen in public lately—its quite clear—he is confused and is clearly incapable of finding where he is going—   The only way feeble Joe makes it off stage and out of a room—is with somebody playing seeing eye dog for him—and the reality is—the whole damn world is watching—Xi Jinping, Vladimir Putin, the Ayatolahs—even Kim Jung Un when he isn't passed out from American Whiskey and a food coma from the piles of delicacies delivered from Europe—   And one more reality check before we go—the reality is during the pandemic millions of Americans were led like sheep to believe anything they were told—masks work, the vaccine will stop the spread—and lockdowns are good for everyone—including the kids—   The reality is—America came in almost dead last in dealing with Covid—that is a fact—   So lets bring this reality check to a close—with one more—long and in depth comment from Andrew Tate—   Everything he said right there was absolutely true—go ahead and check—because that is the reality of the situation—  

Hour 4: Kristaps Porzingis is headed to the Celtics in a 3-team deal. Were the Knicks interested in bringing him back? The Athletic is reporting that Obi Toppin and Tom Thibodeau got into a screaming match after game 4 in Miami. Jerry returned for an update but first Gio said he did check out the new season of Temptation Island and it looks pretty good. Jordan Whitehead of the Jets said this really reminds him of when Tom Brady came to Tampa. Rob Manfred did an interview with Time Magazine and he talked about giving players immunity in the Astros cheating scandal. Looking back it seems like he wished he didn't do that. The Yankees beat the Mariners again last night. We heard John Sterling call a HR by Jake Bauers. The Mets and Astros went back and forth but the Mets lost again and lost their sixth series in a row. Tylor Megill was not good. Bill Burr was in the booth for NESN for the entire Red Sox game. He had a few jokes that didn't go over so well. Ohtani gave up 1-run and took the loss. He threw 100 pitches. In the final segment of the show, Kadarius Toney is having his Chiefs Super Bowl ring sized for his middle finger as an F-U to New York. We also talked about some of the giant chains some professional players get made by jewelers.

Hour 1: Gio compared the Mets to having a sick child in your home. You love them, but you want to avoid them because you don't want to get sick. Boomer said the sound kept dropping off of the Amazon Prime Yankees broadcast. Hal Steinbrenner said he's not sure why fans are upset since it's only mid-June. Boomer & Gio talked about why the fans are upset since he doesn't seem so sure. Jerry is here for his first update of the day and starts with the sounds of John Sterling calling a 2-run HR by Jake Bauers. Jhony Brito did a solid job on the mound and talked about the win. The Mets lost yesterday in Houston, meaning they've lost another series. The Reds have won their 11th straight, the most since 1966. Kristaps Porzingis is headed to Boston as part of a 3-player deal. In the final segment of the hour, Boomer doesn't like the Jon Heyman article where scouts are talking about Anthony Volpe and how he needs to fix his swing. Not a single scout put their name on it.  Hour 2: People on the DA Show are crying that Shaun Morash is moving to WFAN. Tiki and Tierney were also reminiscing about their many years together before the changes take place. Damon Amendolara is frustrated that WFAN keeps taking talent from CBS Sports Network. We heard audio from Pete Bellotti at the DA Show. He was choked up talking about Morash leaving. A lot of the people on air around here now have come through Eddie's internship program. Eddie is our ‘Stick' Michaels. Jerry returns for an update but first Boomer went down the hall during the break to the DA Show to let them know everyone will be ok. Jerry mentioned he doesn't like the name, ‘Warm Up Show'. Billy McKinney hit his second HR in 2 nights as the Yankees beat the Mariners again. The Mets lost another series by losing again to the Astros last night. Tylor Megill had a short outing. Boomer is sick of hearing Buck Showalter after every game saying we have to play better. There was a horrendous overturn of a call at the plate in the Padres/Giants game. Aaron Rodgers was a speaker at a psychedelic conference in Denver last night. In the final segment of the hour, Boomer wonders if we need to bring in grief counselors since everyone is crying about Morash leaving CBS Sports Radio. A caller wants to know at what age you outgrow Las Vegas bachelor parties. A caller gives us an update on how much the person makes who comes into medical school and lets students check his prostate.  Hour 3: The submarine that was touring the wreckage of the Titanic is still missing. They had 96 hours of oxygen in case of emergency. The CBS news story on the submarine made it seem like it was pieced together cheaply. Jerry returns for an update and starts with John Sterling calling an Anthony Volpe HR as they beat the Mariners again. The Mets dropped another series as they lost again to the Astros. Daniel Vogelbach had another couple hits in the loss. The Reds won their 11th in a row. It's their longest winning streak since 1966. Kristops Porzingis is headed to the Celtics in a 3-team trade. Dak Prescott met the media and talked about his legacy. And Henrik Lundqvist made it to the Hockey Hall of Fame. In the final segment of the hour, we have audio from the DA Show where DA was complaining about WFAN taking all of the talent from CBS Sports Radio. Gio said when he worked at the network he also didn't think anybody cared about it.  Hour 4: Kristaps Porzingis is headed to the Celtics in a 3-team deal. Were the Knicks interested in bringing him back? The Athletic is reporting that Obi Toppin and Tom Thibodeau got into a screaming match after game 4 in Miami. Jerry returned for an update but first Gio said he did check out the new season of Temptation Island and it looks pretty good. Jordan Whitehead of the Jets said this really reminds him of when Tom Brady came to Tampa. Rob Manfred did an interview with Time Magazine and he talked about giving players immunity in the Astros cheating scandal. Looking back it seems like he wished he didn't do that. The Yankees beat the Mariners again last night. We heard John Sterling call a HR by Jake Bauers. The Mets and Astros went back and forth but the Mets lost again and lost their sixth series in a row. Tylor Megill was not good. Bill Burr was in the booth for NESN for the entire Red Sox game. He had a few jokes that didn't go over so well. Ohtani gave up 1-run and took the loss. He threw 100 pitches. In the final segment of the show, Kadarius Toney is having his Chiefs Super Bowl ring sized for his middle finger as an F-U to New York. We also talked about some of the giant chains some professional players get made by jewelers.

Andy Hill, host of the podcast, Marriage Kids And Money, joins the Journey to Launch podcast to discuss his most recent financial decision: taking $50,000 out of his taxable brokerage account to purchase a new car.  We dive into the importance of making financial decisions based on personal values and life goals instead of following what everyone else is doing. Andy also shares his practical tips on car buying and the power of F-U money.  In this episode, you'll learn more about: Why Andy decided to liquidate a taxable brokerage account for a depreciating asset (i.e. his new car) Reasons why you should enjoy your money now and use it to elevate your life experiences The power of f-u money, operating from abundance instead of fear, and always learning new things Reducing financial anxiety, how long a financial freedom journey can take, + more Watch the video to this episode at YouTube.com/journeytolaunch Other Links Mentioned in episode: Listen to Andy on Episode 32: A Conversation About Marriage, Kids & Money Check out Andy's Make My Kid a Millionaire course here. Check out my new personal website here. Join The Weekly Newsletter List Leave me a voicemail– Leave me a question on the Journey To Launch voicemail and have it answered on the podcast! YNAB –  Start managing your money and budgeting so that you can reach your financial dreams. Sign up for a free 34 days trial of YNAB, my go-to budgeting app by using my referral link. What stage of the financial journey are you on? Are you working on financial stability or work flexibility? Find out with this free assessment and get a curated list of the 10 next best episodes for you to listen to depending on your stage. Check it out here! Connect with Andy: Website Instagram:@MarriageKidsandMoney Facebook:@MarriageKidsandMoney Twitter: @AndyHillmkm Connect with me: Instagram: @Journeytolaunch Twitter: @JourneyToLaunch Facebook: @Journey To Launch Join the Private Facebook Group Join the Waitlist for My FI Course Get The Free Jumpstart Guide

“Fearless” kicks the week off with fiery and outrageous NFL takes. Tampa's recent loss to the 49ers is a result of Tom Brady's 11-day hiatus. The collapse of Brady has "Undisputed" host Shannon Sharpe and his partner, Skip Bayless, in a very transparent feud. This viral conversation, caught live on their show, had social media in a frenzy over Skip vs. Shannon. “Fearless” soldiers T.J. Moe and Steve Kim, the “Korean Cosell,” weigh in on this wild conversation and give some wild takes of their own. Also, Detroit Lions head coach Dan Campbell has left Jason shaken. He proved Jason Whitlock wrong! “Fearless” brings an exciting NFL discussion with “Last Chance Q” Coach Jason Brown. Coach J.B. blows Jason Whitlock's mind when he calls USC football coach Lincoln Riley a “quarterback inheritor.” “I believe Jalen Hurts is the only kid with any type of character that Lincoln Riley has coached. You can see it from Baker to Kyler Murray, and now, you got the Caleb Williams kid who put ‘F-U, Utah' on his nails. Well, guess what, Jason? Someone allowed that to happen, and that person is Lincoln Riley. I'm tired of hearing the ‘quarterback guru' or the ‘quarterback whisperer.' No, you're the ‘quarterback inheritor.' You inherit great quarterbacks. You don't build them up, recruit them from scratch, coach them, and turn them into Heisman Trophy winners!” We want to hear from the Fearless Army!! Join the conversation in the show chat, leave a comment or email Jason at FearlessBlazeShow@gmail.com   ​​Today's Sponsor: Switch today with Patriot Mobile! Get the same great nationwide coverage while supporting the conservative values you believe in. Go to https://PATRIOTMOBILE.COM/JASON or call 972-PATRIOT. Get 10% off Blaze swag by using code Fearless10 at https://shop.blazemedia.com/fearless Make yourself an official member of the “Fearless Army!”   Support Conservative Voices! Subscribe to BlazeTV at https://get.blazetv.com/FEARLESS and get $10 off your yearly subscription. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

On today's ZBT we've got 4 rounds in the magazine .. Round 1: Father/son drama after father accuses politician son of lying his dick off about being a nuclear submarine officer. Round 2: North Korea is actin the fool in several different ways. North Korea is the pulled hamstring of countries. Round 3: Sergeant Major Elon Musk is whipping his new recruit into shape in a way that would make Major Payne proud. Maybe in Colonel Nathan R. Jessup. Round 4: PUSHED TO MONDAY'S SHOW! Round 5: We got another plane drawing dicks. This time it was a big ole F U to Russia. We support patriotic dicks in the sky. Always have. Always will. SUPPORT THE SHOW! WhistlePig - Get your bottle at https://barstool.link/WPZBT or at a local retailer. Rhoback - Go to https://barstool.link/RhobackBSS and use the code “ZERO” for 20% off your first purchaseYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/ZeroBlog30