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Tai Davis is the founder and owner of Aether, Alchemy Bakery and Sacred Geometry.tai-davis.com@iofthetyler  7:00 - Intro11:45 - Inter-disciplinarian15:15 - Growing up as a nomad18:00 - Leaving the church & religion26:30 - Learning the cello31:00 - Burnout with young musicians35:00 - Going away to college at 1539:00 - Working while going to school40:45 - Working in assisted living & learning to cook47:30 - Entrepreneurs aren’t better, just different-50:15 - Culinary ARTS53:00 - Being resourceful58:00 - Having faith in yourself59:15 - Average day1:06:30 - Making lists1:11:00 - Meditation1:14:00 - Alchemical Healing1:18:00 - Maintaining mental health1:20:45 - The isolation of being a chef1:22:00 - Making a change-1:24:30 - Recent projects & TV appearances1:31:00 - Food Photography1:32:45 - Self-publishing1:37:00 - Do your own research1:42:00 - Throwing yourself into projects1:43:30 - Outro

Kevin Lemp is the Founder of 4 Hands Brewing Company and 1220 Spirits4handsbrewery.com1220spirits.com@4handsbrewingco   5:00 - Intro  6:15 - Forbes Articles  7:00 - “We’re no longer a brewery.”10:15 - Working at Gallo Winery11:45 - First craft beer experience13:45 - There’s less loyalty to beer brand right now14:30 - City Wide is 4 Hand’s most successful beer 17:15 - 8 Years ago, 1,400 breweries. Today there are over 8,000-18:45 - College years19:30 - Early career23:00 - Learning by observing24:00 - Making a business plan25:00 - Putting in his notice28:00 - STL Brewery “Class of 2011”31:45 - Meeting Josh Rowan33:15 - Bringing Nick Kanter on board34:15 - Getting first draft line at Blueberry Hill35:30 - Inch wide, mile deep approach37:00 - Breaking into new markets-42:00 - The Anheuser Busch influence43:45 - Bitter Brew46:30 - Important growth markers in 4 Hands success52:00 - Ego free company54:00 - Dealing with the Schlafly conflict54:30 - Drama56:00 - Women Who Whiskey charity56:45 - Battle in the market, come together for philanthropy with UCBC -58:30 - Ballast Point Story1:02:15 - Anti-nepotism1:04:00 - Be polite and work hard1:06:30 - It’s good to struggle1:09:00 - What 2020 will bring1:11:00 - Chasing trends vs. Originality1:13:00 - The seltzer boom1:14:30 - What’s the next step?1:17:30 - Scratch Brewing1:18:00 - Narrow Gauge Brewery1:19:30 - Excited for St. Louis1:23:00 - Outro 

Tom Hück is an American Print Warlordhttp://evilprints.com@evilprints  9:00 - Intro12:30 - Can’t stand not working14:00 - Prince’s death making work more urgent17:00 - Getting into an online fight over John Singer Sargent18:30 - Kelley Walker CAM controversy          - Tom’s article/response20:10 - Real life rules don’t apply to art22:00 - The fucking banana duct-taped to the wall24:40 - “I like athleticism in art.”26:00 - On Banksy28:15 - The art world sucks30:00 - Great art is a marriage of concept & technique32:30 - Traveling as a youth and seeing art36:15 - Looking for porn and finding the Tower of London-40:00 - Growing up in Potosi, Missouri43:00 - Taking college art classes in high school48:30 - Finding his style & content52:00 - Making woodcut prints about his hometown52:30 - Driving around and selling his work to a museum53:30 - Story about receiving negative feedback at 12 years old58:00 - Getting revenge 9 years later1:03:15 - You can find something good in every shitty piece of art1:06:15 - Build your life around the art, not the other way around-1:07:30 - Landfall Press1:11:45 - Teaching1:12:30 - First commercial gig working on The Roots “Phrenology”1:15:00 - Figuring out what to charge1:18:00 - Speed & whiskey1:23:00 - Influencing the printmaking world1:26:00 - The Outlaw Printmakers1:31:30 - Viewing art in person1:33:30 - Art is hard to make1:35:00 - Van Gogh’s suicide1:40:00 - Catching Tom’s NYC Electric Baloneyland show in 20171:45:30 - Archive of work coming out1:46:30 - Making more affordable work1:52:00 - Grafik House1:58:00 - Living in/near Potosi now2:03:00 - Outro

David Choi is the owner of Seoul Taco.http://seoultaco.com@davidchoistl  5:00 - Intro 10:00 - How we met 10:30 - Little Saigon13:00 - Hip Hop17:00 - Working in a baseball card shop18:30 - Skipping school to get celebrity autographs22:45 - Getting asked to speak at his high school27:15 - Growing up in the church29:00 - Figuring out how/when to work for your self32:15 - Working for yourself out of necessity33:30 - Immigrant entrepreneurs37:00 - Roy Choi-39:30 - Working 3-4 jobs at once45:00 - Cooking at friend’s parties47:00 - Finishing college 52:15 - Paying it forward with friends54:30 - Supportive friends vs. Haters58:30 - Giving & receiving feedback-1:02:45 - Buying the first food truck for $18,0001:08:00 - The first food trucks in St. Louis1:09:45 - First run at Food Truck Friday1:11:45 - First Seoul Taco location1:13:00 - Second location1:16:00 - Staying fresh with growing popularity1:22:45 - Growing up without internet1:26:45 - Opening up in another market1:32:15 - Columbia, MO location1:35:15 - Chicago locations1:40:45 - Employee Management1:42:00 - People freak out too much1:42:30 - Streetwear collabs1:45:00 - Collaboration “fever”1:47:45 - Not caring vs. Not letting things get to you1:49:00 - Sports talk1:52:30 - What’s happening in 20201:59:00 - Continuing to learn2:06:00 - Outro

Michael Frachetti is a Professor of Anthropology at Washington University in St. Louis. His current projects include studies of medieval Silk Road cities of Uzbekistan and ancient maritime trade throughout SE Asia and Indian Ocean.https://artsci.wustl.edu/faculty-staff/michael-frachetti@mdfrachetti  4:00 - Intro   7:00 - Contemporary value of information  9:00 - Real deal facts vs. Audience-friendly content11:20 - Authenticity of Wikipedia14:00 - It takes forever to fact check now16:45 - Knowing how to talk to people18:45 - Older generations strive for a longer childhood for their children22:30 - Captain Fantastic23:00 - The Tech Age25:00 - There’s no more remoteness32:00 - Generational differences33:15 - Instagram over-saturation36:30 - Getting too “preachy” on captions38:00 - What should social media be used for?-49:00 - Growing up with martial arts50:00 - Seven Samurai 55:00 - Meeting his archaeology mentor59:00 - Geographical Information Systems defined1:03:45 - Focusing on nomads1:15:00 - What is the purpose of Archaeology?1:17:00 - Re-contextualizing data from the perspective of different identities1:21:00 - Redefining what “civilization” means1:24:30 - Doug North on Institutions1:26:00 - Similarities between the lived experience in individuals1:29:00 - Audience for his new book1:31:30 - David Wengrow1:33:30 - The Utopian Paradox TEDx Talk-1:39:00 - Shifting focus after publishing1:44:00 - Does popularity affect findings in archaeology?1:49:30 - Upside and downside of Guns, Germs & Steel1:51:00 - Michael Pollan1:52:00 - Developing writing skills1:55:00 - Nuance is necessary1:58:00 - Outro

Jon Wheatley is a Product Designer & Founder. He’s currently working on launching a new social media platform @Stopwatchhttps://jonw.com@jon  6:00 - Intro   7:00 - Moving back to St. Louis15:00 - Why I'm Moving My Business from San Francisco to St. Louis18:30 - ArchGrants22:00 - Going into Y Combinator23:45 - Starting DailyBooth in 200928:30 - Judging Y Combinator applications35:00 - Favorite American city42:30 - Investors in DailyBooth46:30 - Getting “banned” from America54:00 - Using a telepresence robot for a year58:30 - DailyBooth winding down-1:01:00 - Starting up Peel1:04:00 - Doing his own fulfillment 1:06:00 - Good & bad of transparency 1:10:30 - Pitfalls of a Kickstarter campaign1:14:30 - Other Need/Want Projects1:20:30 - Managing time & projects-1:23:30 - Stopwatch1:26:00 - Launching a “social network” in 20191:28:00 - How Stopwatch works1:32:45 - Join the Private Beta1:36:30 - Stopwatch business model1:41:30 - Moderating & Censorship1:48:00 - The grimey tech of ‘Prospect’1:51:00 - Influenced by old ideas of the future1:56:00 - Algorithms & Moderation2:04:00 - Bruce Mau2:07:30 - Making slingshots / Dead Eye Club2:12:45 - White House trip2:21:00 - Outro

Bob Brazell is the Chef & Co-owner of Byrd & Barrel and Tamm Avenue Bar. He’s currently working on re-opening The Tenderloin Room at The Chase Park Plaza.@byrdbarrelstl  2:00 - Intro   8:00 - Athlete Eats10:30 - Finding the Byrd & Barrel building12:00 - Having good partners14:00 - Owning restaurants is entrepreneurship on steroids16:15 - Dealing with depression18:00 - Desire to work in food & hospitality 22:00 - Restarting his life & going to culinary school24:15 - Working at Monarch with Josh Galliano25:30 - Working at Niche with Gerard Craft29:00 - Asking a question and writing a paper 30:30 - Generational differences in workers35:00 - Being a positive influence36:30 - Working with his fiancee 39:00 - Social media & City Hall45:00 - There needs to be a chef/restaurant alliance-47:00 - Finding his business partners52:30 - Roles in the partnership55:30 - Why fried chicken?57:30 - Importance of keeping the drive-thru 1:00:30 - Getting into the Enterprise Center1:04:00 - Working on the Tenderloin Room1:07:30 - The myth of the chef1:09:00 - Rick Lewis1:14:00 - Be your brand1:16:00 - Taking over an established business1:29:30 - Old school cool coming back in fashion1:31:30 - Social media for businesses now1:36:15 - Soft opens1:37:30 - Receiving feedback1:47:00 - Maturing as a business owner1:55:30 - Business highlights1:59:00 - Outro

Matt Murphy is a producer/videographer focused on maintaining productivity while raising a family.@dekkoinc   8:00 - How we know each other13:30 - Reading17:30 - What Matt does23:00 - First job27:00 - Learning software on the fly30:30 - Troubleshooting & failure32:30 - Building his business36:00 - Getting connected with Tony Robbins38:00 - What he specifically does at a Tony event43:30 - Working on “non-flashy” clients45:30 - Educating clients on video content48:00 - Society’s attention span influencing work54:00 - How he’s expanded in his niche field58:00 - Getting beyond the negatives of motivational speakers1:00:00 - Herbalife and MLM’s being annoying1:05:00 - Separating work and beliefs 1:07:00 - Realizing the importance of money at a young age1:12:00 - Getting his kids to save money-1:18:00 - Developing a pilot for a tv show1:21:00 - Funding the initial production 1:25:00 - Editing the pilot1:29:00 - Abandoning the project1:52:30 - Time is our most valuable currency1:36:00 - The ineptitude of Corporate America1:38:20 - Vacations when working full-time vs. working for yourself1:40:00 - Workplace efficiency1:44:30 - Investing1:46:15 - Preparing for the next recession-1:51:00 - Recording adventure travelogues1:57:00 - The human element of resorts & cruises2:04:15 - Matt’s “escape” from Zambia2:09:30 - Love/hate of India2:13:30 - Eating & getting sick while traveling2:15:30 - Beating jetlag2:21:15 - Getting enough sleep2:24:00 - Diversifying  2:28:20 - David Goggins2:35:00 - The inherent selfishness of success2:39:00 - Balancing humility vs. confidence2:45:00 - Outro

Michael Franco is a music and pizza maker on the south side of St. Louis.michaelfranco.bandcamp.com@mpfranco  5:00 - What we’re trying to do  6:00 - Current state of NBA12:45 - Lebron James14:00 - CTE influencing NFL viewership16:30 - Under promoting good movies18:30 - Prank calling thru deaf-relay website23:00 - Lebron & China28:30 - Hong Kong protests-35:00 - Kanye finding Jesus39:00 - Jesus is King41:00 - Evangelical vs. Catholicism48:00 - Kanye, etc.52:00 - Songs & Albums becoming shorter58:00 - Virgil x IKEA drop-59:30 - Things that you don’t know how to process that you end up loving1:04:15 - Epstein didn’t kill himself1:07:00 - Zeitgeist & becoming a skeptic1:09:30 - Is Franco a truther?1:12:00 - Applying stoicism to your skepticism-1:16:00 - Benioff & Weiss leaving Star Wars1:19:00 - Apple+ vs. Netflix vs. HBO1:24:00 - Airpods as status symbol?1:27:30 - L. Ron Hubbard & Scientology1:32:30 - Joseph Smith and Mormonism1:36:00 - Recap1:38:00 - Outro 

Mike Spakowski is Partner and Creative Director at Atomicdust – A Branding and Marketing Agency.www.atomicdust.com@mspako  6:00 - What I’ve learned13:30 - Upcoming guests19:00 - Mike’s year so far21:15 - Working together on Tempus23:30 - Dressing up to fly25:00 - Meeting the Mayors of St. Louis32:00 - Creative community not active34:45 - Kanye, Jesus is King & “badly” designed merch-43:00 - Becoming better at podcasts46:00 - Austin Kleon49:30 - Making writing a habit54:00 - Stephen King56:00 - A24 Films -58:00 - Fine Art & Design1:02:30 - Historicity defined1:04:00 - Graphic Design as a trade vs. art form1:10:30 - Tom Townsend1:18:00 - Anheuser Busch history1:20:30 - DC Trip highlights1:26:00 - Outro

Blaine Deutsch is a designer, producer, painter, printmaker, cyclist, conversationalist, writer, and seeker of inspiration.@tooktake 7:30 - Working with Corey Rich  9:00 - Climbing in Cinema14:00 - Fred Beckey17:00 - Living at altitude18:30 - Growing up21:00 - Indoor vs. Outdoor Climbing 24:00 - Commercial Outdoor Photography27:15 - Defining ‘Producer’30:00 - First big gig33:30 - Favorite gig with Nikon 38:30 - Climbers are the anti-celebrity42:00 - Filming Alex Honnold free soloing44:30 - Dispelling the adrenaline-fueled thrill-seeker myth52:30 - Working with Tommy Caldwell-56:05 - “You could be a really enthusiastic baseball player but you’re never going to play in Wrigley Field. As a climber, you can go climb the Nose. If you’re a [cyclist], you can go ride Alpe d'Huez, the same route they ride in the tour. You can be in the same arena. And a lot of times you’re in the same arena with a pro right next to you and they’re just doing the same thing you are. They’re just having a good day out there.”-57:30 - Kevin almost dying while driving thru a snowstorm in Tommy Caldwell’s Honda civic1:01:00 - Estes Park1:05:00 - Carlo Rovelli-1:15:00 - Returning to St. Louis1:19:30 - Working for your enemy1:25:00 - Printmaking1:28:30 - Sacrifice vs. Making Money1:32:30 - Contentment1:38:00 - Beekeeping & nature1:48:00 - Making art in the future1:51:00 - Blaine’s manifesto1:57:00 - Respecting others 2:01:30 - Robert Montgomery2:12:00 - Jasper Johns2:19:00 - Encaustic painting2:21:00 - Meeting Leo Castelli in the Guggenheim   2:25:00 - Outro

Tyler Gross is an award winning illustrator and graphic artist based in St. Louis.GrossIllustration.com@drslime11:00 - How we met13:00 - Kevin loves Tyler’s voice18:45 - Sports announcer commentary20:30 - Kaepernick & National Anthem-24:00 - Introduction to illustration27:00 - College31:00 - Realizing he wasn’t good at drawing35:30 - Transferring to Illustration from Drawing38:00 - Community Colleges vs. University40:00 - Kevin’s college career46:00 - Sweating the small stuff50:00 - Tyler’s eastern European teachers54:00 - Creativity vs. technical know-how58:45 - Developing a personal style59:15 - Interning at Departika1:02:30 - Paid vs. Unpaid Internships1:05:30 - First paid gig1:12:00 - Influences1:16:45 - Looking for work-1:19:45 - Moving to Denver1:23:00 - Examples of effortless style but still working hard- Mac Demarco- Geoff McFetridge - Spike Jonze1:25:00 - RFT Cover1:25:35 - “That just comes from experimenting… that Riverfront Times cover you’re talking about was kind of a battle, really. And in a lot of those battles you spend so much of your time trying to get it right, trying to get it right it takes this kind of breaking point where you leave all that behind and try something new, and something kinda clicked with that.”  QUOTE1:28:00 - Typographers 1:29:15 - Eric Gill having sex with his dog1:33:15 - Bruce Mau - Lifestyle1:38:00 - Dan Cassaro1:40:30 - Process vs. Style1:47:00 - Trader Joes’ chalkboard artists-1:54:00 - Thoughts on Denver1:56:00 - Starting to smoke weed young2:01:00 - Moving to San Diego2:06:00 - Kevin flying to San Diego for one night for Josh Boston’s Lord of the Rings themed birthday2:10:00 - Skateboarding in SoCal2:12:30 - Meeting Wes Kremer2:15:00 - Moving back to St. Louis2:20:00 - About Anti-2:23:00 - Working on projects you’re geeked about2:24:00 - Foxing2:28:00 - Skateboarding culture in STL2:33:30 - Important podcast for young artists2:40:15 - Outro  

Indiana Rome is an Artist/MC/Producer.IndianaRome.com@indianarome8:00 - Hating the sound of your own voice11:00 - St. Louis & Indianapolis12:00 - Corey Black19:30 - The Mob Dance22:00 - Dropping out of college to work23:00 - Getting into music23:30 - Fruityloops25:00 - Making sure your beat doesn’t sound like the software27:00 - Freestyling-31:30 - Going Solo34:00 - Getting better thru collaborations35:15 - Gaining confidence in front of crowds37:00 - Performance IQ40:15 - Breath control42:00 - Becoming Indiana Rome43:30 - Fronting vs. Being Real43:37 - “Me, personally, I don’t front. Everything I’ve rapped about, I’ve had it at some point or have done or still doing. I’ve never talked about, ‘I’m in the Maybach, Im doing this… I got the yacht out there. I live in a two-bedroom apartment on the south side. Don’t get it twisted, I still get paid for this. I’m not Diddy yet, I’m not Jay yet. But it’s coming. I front to that point. To only what I’ve done.”49:00 - Defining Dope Dealer51:30 - Work/Play, Kevin & Dani McCoy52:30 - Adrian O. Walker’s Podcast & Album Photo-54:30 - Balancing influence and inspiration57:15 - Trap influence in contemporary Hip Hop1:00:15 - Schools getting rid of music class1:03:30 - Rappers retracting old lyrics1:08:00 - Kevin Hart1:12:00 - Love Dope EP’s1:16:00 - Determining live sets1:17:15 - 314 Day-1:19:30 - New Album: DLRS1:23:00 - Kaotica Eyeball & Writing Style1:27:15 - Production is king now1:31:15 - “Loose Lips”1:34:30 - Taking his music on the road1:36:00 - St. Louis crowds are brutal1:40:30 - Self promoting / #Cash4Dope 1:49:30 - Tekashi691:54:00 - Upcoming travels1:55:30 - How features work1:58:00 - Outro 

Adrian Octavius Walker is a mixed-media artist based in Oakland, CA.AdrianOWalker.com@aoctaviusw6:00 - Cursing11:00 - Peeing in corners12:55 - Chappelle’s latest special16:30 - Made Monarchs17:30 - Social Media/Instagram19:30 - Instagram’s mental toll21:30 - VSCO-26:00 - Introducing Adrian at STLDW28:30 - First time we met31:00 - Rescuing kittens33:00 - Introduction to photography35:00 - Made Monarchs38:00 - Club Dress Codes40:00 - Being a good student44:00 - Trade School47:00 - Critiquing & Understanding Art54:00 - First Photo Job59:00 - Freelance-1:00:50 - BREAK1:02:00 - Going to the same middle school-1:04:00 - Ferguson1:19:00 - My Lens, Our Ferguson1:24:00 - Evolving into portraiture1:28:00 - Artifact Uprising1:29:00 - VSCO1:34:00 - Colorado Springs 1:36:00 - Oakland1:39:00 - Ben Kaplan1:41:00 - Graffiti as an art form1:46:00 - Nure Collective1:53:30 - Art World Changing1:57:00 - “Winning, to me, is the same as the word ‘Power’. When someone feels like they can have power over you? They feel like they can dominate you, they’re better than you and they use that the wrong way. For me, the “power” that I want to use is being able to connect you with a friend that I think y’all would make a great team and make something happen. I feel good for doing that, I feel good for making that introduction. That’s powerful to me. To know, who I think you would vibe with to build something. That’s power to me.” 1:58:00 - Using the iPhone during Ferguson- 2:00:00 - #WeMatter2:06:00 - Favorite contemporary photographers:- Carrie Mae Weems- LaToya Ruby Frazier- Lorna Simpson- Deana Lawson2:07:45 - National Portrait Gallery2:08:00 - Amy Sherald

Kevin Brennan is one part vodka, two parts soda with a lemon peel. He doesn't own an Irish pub. CometoBrennans.comDurangoCigars.comArgueAndGrieve.com-  7:00 - It’s all happening  8:00 - Cuba trip14:00 - Working on McDonald’s marketing in Oak Brook, IL21:00 - Quitting McDonald’s and moving back to St. Louis-23:00 - The start of Durango Cigars26:00 - Brennan’s in the beginning33:30 - Promoting thru word of mouth37:00 - Developing tastes42:00 - Owning a bar46:00 - Co-working & Evolving into more than just a bar 47:00 - The B-Hive51:00 - Brennan’s Midtown53:30 - Favorite part of the day57:00 - What sets Brennans apart59:00 - Arguments & Grievances 1:02:00 - The Bar Talk board1:04:00 - Diverse patrons1:13:15 - Hard to be comfortable in your own place-1:15:10 - New Grove location 1:18:00 - Current state of St. Louis1:22:00 - St. Louis needs a cool spokesperson1:25:00 - We need to own it, literally-1:32:00 - State of cigar business1:37:00 - Medicinal marijuana rush1:39:00 - Steady business > Startup frenzy1:42:30 - Normal day1:43:30 - Grove location idea1:44:15 - Finally taking a break1:49:00 - Traveling with intent 1:51:00 - Outro

Syd Suntha is a chef, co-owner of Ballyhoo Hot Sauce and overall hustler.www.ballyhoohotsauce.com-  4:00 - Syd/Suntish  6:00 - First time we met  7:30 - Get in the Van - Henry Rollins  8:00 - Hanging out backstage  9:45 - Getting into the music industry11:45 - Going to live shows nowadays13:30 - Finding & makes music before the internet 16:30 - The problems with instant access to niche content- 22:00 - Leaving normal jobs to work with bands24:30 - Growing up as a Sri Lankan in St. Louis25:30 - Embracing what made him different26:30 - Tour managing Adair & Jon Oakes  28:30 - Pivoting career29:00 - Cooking with Bert McCracken of The Used30:00 - Kitchen Confidential30:30 - Culinary school33:30 - Tipping culture is bullshit37:00 - Rockwell Beer doesn’t do tips39:00 - Authenticity in pricing42:00 - Restaurants and hard costs46:00 - Vote with your dollars-48:00 - Moving up to Seattle from L.A.50:00 - Working at Skillet52:00 - Food Trucks in Seattle58:30 - Starting up Bread & Circuses1:00:00 - Behind the name ‘Bread & Circuses’1:03:00 - Putting a restaurant inside a brewery1:06:30 - Leaving Bread & Circuses-1:07:00 - Starting up Ballyhoo Hot Sauce1:11:00 - Owning a product vs. owning a restaurant1:15:00 - How Ballyhoo is more than just ‘Hot’ Sauce1:17:30 - Brands collaborating with other brands1:18:00 - Syd’s ‘Seattle Street Food Cook Book’ saga1:23:00 - Wanting to do more collaborations1:25:00 - Limited editions can’t be forced1:25:45 - Psyence Fiction - Unkle1:27:00 - Bape1:30:00 - Head Automatica Limited Edition Dunks1:32:00 - Wanting and buying a military hummer1:35:00 - Syd’s parents 1:36:00 - Drinking in St. Louis1:38:00 - Syd’s Dad’s drinking history-1:42:00 - Sri Lankan influence1:49:00 - Future of Ballyhoo1:52:15 - Standing out from the competition 1:56:00 - The politicizing of everything1:59:00 - Syd’s success motto2:00:00 - Outro  

Josh Boston is a designer living in Portland, Oregon USA. He likes turtles.www.joshboston.com@heyjoshboston- 0:00 - Intro  9:00 - Interview Start: What should the intro music be? 11:30 - Portland & The Simpsons 13:00 - How Josh & I met 15:00 - Growing up in the middle of Missouri 16:15 - Josh & Kevin’s Bromance19:30 - First memorable piece of design23:15 - First experiences with the internet24:30 - Rudimental Drumming25:15 - Ol’ Town Road Story & Hip Hop’s Influence29:15 - Learning basic web design31:45 - Old online design portals33:30 - Seth Ericson35:00 - Being young & dumb-36:40 - Meeting Michael Cina41:00 - Moving to California42:45 - Gary Benzel/Green Lady44:30 - Getting better at design48:00 - Wanting to switch careers-51:15 - “It’s not easy to be creative for a living. There’s peaks and valleys and there’s times when you’re kinda numb or you maybe had a good year then a bad year. I’m not trying to say this in a negative way, but it’s not discussed as much publicly. I think it’s discussed a lot in one-on-one coffee meetings, but you’re not seeing it from the stage in design conferences.” 51:48-52:00 - Working at Lambesis54:00 - The luster of working on big brands57:00 - Alex Bogusky1:00:00 - Working then and now1:01:00 - Seasons of being a creative professional1:03:15 - Big agency work-life / Missouri / Back to California1:09:00 - Basic Agency1:11:00 - Ego & work1:16:00 - Original content1:21:00 - Working at CPB1:23:00 - Working at W+K1:25:00 - Working on a 6 month project that never got made1:29:00 - Creating separation from your hired work1:34:00 - Working within restraints- 1:36:30 - Going independent1:40:30 - Loving being laid off1:44:00 - Throwing a recess party in a loft1:47:00 - Freelancing means you need to be good with your money1:49:00 - Starting up an agency1:54:00 - Doing work that solely pays the bills 1:56:00 - Rules for social media2:00:00 - Know where your money is going2:02:00 - Jocko Wilink2:03:30 - Throwing your back out2:07:00 - Taking youth for granted-2:08:45 - Freelancing2:11:30 - Success without social media2:15:00 - Brain Pickings / Maria Popova2:16:30 - Mike Cina Great Discontent Interview 2:21:00 - Designers who merge their personal life with their work2:24:00 - Cultivating taste2:28:00 - Studios with only one style2:29:30 - Be careful when criticizing younger creators2:37:30 - Designer Radar: Braulio Amada, Brian Collins, Tobias Van Schneider, Mike Cina 2:44:00 - Compare/Contrast with Michael Eastman podcast2:45:30 - The benefits of knowing design2:46:00 - Outro

Michael Eastman is an artist working with a camera.eastmanimages.com@michaeleastmanphotography   4:00 - Dude   5:00 - Big Lebowski/Jeff Bridges/Weed  8:50 - St. Louis slow to change visually11:10 - Rate of Urban Renewal in STL14:45 - Beginnings as a photographer15:05 - “A lot of times when I went out and photographed my mantra was, ‘If I were aware of what people 150 years from right now were interested in, then I would photograph those things. They’d be significant records; historical records. And a photographer, unlike many artists, is really part historian. What they’re doing is recording a reality in time, that changes. So that was meaningful for me to see these changes and to record them. To do a portrait of a place.” - Eastman17:30 - Why did Eastman get into photography in the first place?19:10 - College years/Entering the workforce23:10 - The attraction of photography24:00 - The Daybooks of Edward Weston24:30 - First Photographs as a “Photographer” 26:45 - Emotion in photography27:03 - “What you feel about a photograph is transmitted, translated, communicated into print.” - Eastman28:45 - Photograph things that you have feelings about29:25 - Ansel Adams & Others31:40 - First photo jobs38:39 - “When I started, there was all these voices in my head. There were critics, gallery owners, museum curators, my parents, their friends – there was a Shakespearean chorus of naysayers telling me I couldn’t, shouldn’t, wouldn’t do it. Those voices propelled me.” - Eastman40:25 - Relating Michael’s Story to the concept of Anti-42:00 - Eastman’s First Show at Washington University44:40 - Maintaining an attitude of incompleteness49:00 - Sitting on your work for awhile50:00 - Knowing William Gass54:30 - Shooting Forest Park & showing them to Gass in his last years-58:15 - Reinvesting back into yourself1:00:00 - Commercial vs. Fine Art Work1:00:15 - Shooting Nudes as Landscape1:06:00 - Finding success in fine art later in life1:09:00 - Success is the most difficult thing for an artist to overcome1:11:05 - Vivian Maier1:12:50 - Lee Friedlander1:13:50 - Gaining a national reputation with commercial work1:20:00 - Low overhead = more freedom1:21:00 - Learning about studio lighting1:22:00 - Shooting on location1:26:00 - 9/11 & No Work-1:29:00 - Overview of Eastman’s fine art work1:33:00 - The importance of printmaking1:40:00 - What Eastman’s working on now1:46:00 - When photography became recognized in the art world- 1:49:00 - Agoraphobia1:52:00 - Childhood fears 1:54:28 - A Ghost Story1:57:30 - Composition/Framing2:04:30 - Originality2:06:00 - Cuba2:07:00 - Buena Vista Social Club2:08:00 - Traveling to Cuba2:11:00 - Isabella's Two Chairs2:14:00 - Havana2:17:00 - Book sales lead to gallery openings2:19:00 - Traveling photo show2:21:20 - The Price of Everything2:23:30 - NOLA and Current Photo work2:25:00 - Forest Park Retrospective2:30:00 - Leaving instagram2:32:30 - Waking up with something to do2:33:30 - Feeling mortal 

Mike Spakowski is Partner and Creative Director at Atomicdust – A Branding and Marketing Agency.www.atomicdust.com@mspako Notes: 9:30 - Introduction10:30 - Why I’m Doing This/Happy Birthday Mom13:00 - Strange Brew & Ric Moranis14:30 - Fatherhood: Could Mike be a stay-at-home Dad?16:10 - How we met17:30 - Competing and comparison in art & design18:14 - "Comparison is a death spiral once you start comparing yourself to other people. Yet you have to acknowledge how good and bad your work is."20:30 - Lifespan of Work / Porano Case Study22:30 - Revisiting work from other eras vs. staying in touch 23:26 Life & Design is one of those things where we’re constantly solving the same problem over and over and over.25:54 - Karlsson Wilker - Tell Me Why27:40 - 90% of the work that you do ends up in the trash heap, art has a longer lifespan28:38 - Expression is Hard29:26 - "Art for me is trying to figure out a way to take my life philosophy and tie that in to things that I’m proficient at."30:25 - How you constrain yourself is the key to making art32:10 - "When I was young, I had all the ideas but no way to execute them. When I got older, I had methods to execute them, but forgot how to have the ideas. And now, I have the ideas, I have the methods it’s a matter of trying to find fucking time to get them done."34:10 - Artistic process and outlining a concept36:50 - This isn’t an art and design podcast – 37:25 - Mike’s Story38:08 - Never knew what he wanted to do39:20 - Community college and needing an art credit40:08 - Seeing his and other students work in the hallway42:15 - Parody and irreverence were alluring43:25 - Buying a PC, playing games and designing loading rooms46:25 - The beginning of Atomicdust47:10 - Learning to code49:55 - It’s impressive to make a successful company51:25 - Important to sit back and reflect54:15 - "It’s hard to make a living doing creative work, it’s more deeply personal."1:01:25 - Is college necessary?1:03:30 - The internet is the great equalizer1:04:20 - RZA: "Whether I went to school or not, I’d always study."1:05:25 - Encyclopedias to Internet1:06:15 - "Learning no longer has a barrier to entrance, it’s a barrier of interest, time and stamina."1:09:10 - The unexamined life1:11:11 - Whatever you do, make sure you enjoy it1:12:38 - Contemporary business and pressure1:14:55 - Vlogging & routine1:17:25 - Casey Neistat’s older video work1:19:04 - Appeasing larger audiences1:20:15 - Finding things early on and feeling “ownership”1:21:50 - Malcolm Gladwell - Tipping Point1:22:25 - Anderson Paak & Kid Cudi1:25:25 - Hold yourself up to a higher level and push forward1:28:20 - Does the work suffer after appealing to a larger audience1:29:05 - New work by an artist should almost confuse their fans1:31:05 - You can’t worry about the audience1:31:45 - Steven Pressfield - The War of Art1:33:48 - Taking in content vs. producing1:36:00 - Doing Something in the "FuturePast"1:38:15 - Keep it interesting1:39:25 - Tattoo Story & Tattoos in general1:46:25 - Mike’s Hair, Cheap Beer1:57:00 - Outro